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Voices are heard from Turkey about the need to close the Bosphorus for Russia

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On the eve of the Turkish talk show, where the Turkish Air Force’s attack on the Russian Su-24 is being discussed, the topic was raised that if Russia “begins to openly threaten Turkey,” then official Ankara will block the Bosphorus. This statement, made by one of the representatives of the political circles of Turkey, was commented by the former chief of the General Staff of the Russian Navy, Viktor Kravchenko. His statement leads RIA News:
Turkey will not be able to close the Black Sea straits for Russian ships and ships bound for Syria - this will be a violation of international law and the Montreux Convention in particular, and in fact it was signed by the majority of the states of the world for that period of time.



Voices are heard from Turkey about the need to close the Bosphorus for Russia


For reference: the Montreux Convention on the status of the straits adopted in July 1936. She restored Turkish sovereignty over the Bosphorus and Dardanelles. The convention says that the Black Sea powers have the right to conduct their own warships of any class through the straits, in the case of peacetime and to notify official Ankara. At the same time, Turkey has legal grounds for closing the straits both in the event of war and in the event that it considers that it is threatened by war itself. The Montreux Convention provides for Turkey to close the straits in the event that third countries participate in the war and Turkey does not participate.

It should be noted that the Montreux Convention has been repeatedly violated. One of the relatively recent examples: Turkey did not close the Bosphorus for American warships entering the Black Sea in 2008, when an armed conflict took place in South Ossetia.

Given the fact that Turkey did not particularly care about international law and common sense when it hit the plane of the Russian Aerospace Force, it can be said that following the letter of the convention of the 1936 model of the year is unlikely to stop Erdogan if he decided to go all-in .
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  1. I read the news
    I read the news 27 November 2015 15: 53 New
    55
    Are there no voices coming to Turkey from Russia?
    1. Sasha 19871987
      Sasha 19871987 27 November 2015 15: 58 New
      12
      chaos, shit, and more right to download ...
      1. Rus2012
        Rus2012 27 November 2015 16: 20 New
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        Quote: sasha 19871987
        chaos

        let them try to close ... become closed!
        In connection with the Russian-Turkish conflict, one can often hear speculations about the right of Turkey to block the Bosphorus with the Dardanelles.
        With the help of which she allegedly holds us for one place, since it is critical for supplying our group in Syria. The last straw for us was the discussion on this topic by the famous network freak Kungurov, who built around this story an impressive version of the apocalyptic Putin drain (forgetting about the existence of Gibraltar, oh well). Therefore, we will understand.

        Can Turkey interfere with the supply of our troops in Syria by blocking the straits. We will consider a situation in which everyone is trying to avoid an open conflict between the Russian Federation and NATO. In this case, the answer is no, it cannot. Because:

        1. The Montreux Convention gives Turkey the right to regulate the passage of only warships:

        20 Article. During a war when Turkey is a belligerent, the provisions of Articles 10 - 18 will not apply; the passage of warships will depend entirely on the discretion of the Turkish government.

        21 Article. In the event that Turkey considers itself to be at risk of imminent military danger, it will have the right to apply the provisions of Article 20 of this Convention.

        2. You can equate a merchant ship with a warship under the Gaask Convention as follows:

        - the ship should be placed under direct authority, direct control and responsibility of the state, under the flag of which it flies;

        - the transformed ship must have the external distinguishing features of warships, that is, carry a military flag and a pennant, and be on the lists of the navy;

        - the ship's commander must be in active military service;

        - the ship's crew must obey the rules of military discipline;

        - the ship must comply with the laws and customs of war.

        Those. under the existing rules, if Turkey does not officially fight with us, then an ordinary Russian merchant ship cannot be prohibited from passing through the straits, even if it carries military cargo.

        3. But this is not the end, because the warship is not so simple to block the passage, not in words, but in practice. The first thing we will do if Turkey wants to use the 21 article and close the strait for us without being in a state of war - we will leave the Montreux Convention. And the Turks will think how to stop our warship without attacking it.

        To block the fairway - strange torpedoes will arrive from somewhere or the notorious calibers will fly in and clear the passage. Or let’s use self-propelled firewalls as exotic, for a long time this probably has not been used. And there will be nobody to complain about, because we with round eyes affirm that for the first time we hear about all this. Mine the strait - our minesweeper will come and begin to mine. You can stop him, but for this you have to make an attack on him. And we will pair a minesweeper with a minesweeper, which would be more fun.

        And no matter how much more they come up with options, the result will be the same - you can directly prevent the passage of a warship only by force, i.e. attacking him.

        What is the conclusion? Yes, it’s very simple - no one plays this game with straits, and this card does not play against us. The strait is useful only in the case of a real, but not nuclear war, when it is easy to organize shelling from the coast. Then it’s real to prevent the supply of troops or the movement of the fleet. In peacetime, the owner of the strait cannot cause any particular harm to anyone. And it is only worth trying to inflict, how war will form by itself, and the aggressor will be himself.
        1. SPACE
          SPACE 27 November 2015 16: 40 New
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          Quote: Rus2012
          let them try to close.

          And Turkey as a state will very quickly and completely cease to exist, if not for the revolution 17, Constantinople would have long been Russian and not only ... "As you know, the huge Ottoman Empire incorrectly chose the German Kaiser Wilhelm as its allies. As a result, by 1917 year, Russian troops occupied most of modern Turkey, but left after the start of the Bolshevik coup in St. Petersburg. As a result, the Bosphorus never fell into the possession of the Russian emperor ... "
          ps Once Russia entered the Baltic and Black Sea, well, it will have to go to the Mediterranean ...
          1. dude_not_in_theme
            dude_not_in_theme 27 November 2015 16: 56 New
            -51
            Yes, Harosh already telling fantastic here. Turkey will cease to exist)) A very funny joke. Do you believe a patriot in your writings? They will block the strait, it’s a matter of time, and the great emperor, as usual, will think about sanctions on chicken and tomatoes, Lavrov will express a couple of concerns, maybe they will even send a note of protest to Turkey’s Foreign Ministry and all this will be limited. I understand that you have a mission here to adjust the tasks to the answers, but at least do not fool yourself. Great Russia has long remained in the past, in the present there is an economically weak state of oligarchs and officials with impoverished people, completely dependent on Western countries. This state is not capable of drastic steps. Is it only Soloviev’s in the studio laughing That's all I wanted to say. Minus yes
            1. jaroff
              jaroff 27 November 2015 17: 07 New
              +4
              Why minus it? That's right. It’s right now that you need to clearly understand your real state, assess what you can and what you want, but you can’t. By presenting the real picture of the current situation of the country and people, you can plan and predict the necessary and sufficient steps for the near future and for the long term .
              And no rose-colored glasses!
              1. 33 Watcher
                33 Watcher 27 November 2015 17: 42 New
                +6
                The conflict with Turkey, we’ll completely pull it, but with NATO ... So you need to make it so that Nata does not harness, for nothing, and never ...
                1. niki233
                  niki233 27 November 2015 18: 04 New
                  +6
                  Quote: Observer 33
                  The conflict with Turkey, we’ll completely pull it, but with NATO ... So you need to make it so that Nata does not harness, for nothing, and never ...

                  NATO will not harness this conflict there is simply no one to do it
                  1. dmi.pris
                    dmi.pris 27 November 2015 18: 24 New
                    0
                    They have already harnessed, supported Turkey ..
                    Quote: niki233
                    Quote: Observer 33
                    The conflict with Turkey, we’ll completely pull it, but with NATO ... So you need to make it so that Nata does not harness, for nothing, and never ...

                    NATO will not harness this conflict there is simply no one to do it
                    1. Comrade Bender
                      Comrade Bender 27 November 2015 18: 42 New
                      +9
                      To support in words and in deeds are two big differences.
                    2. tehnic
                      tehnic 27 November 2015 23: 51 New
                      +1
                      I do not understand! What is everyone afraid of NATO? The same states that are now in NATO led by Napoleon came, rounded up and then half of them declared war on Napoleon. Hitler invaded all of Europe, also a ogre, and then Bulgaria, Italy, Finland and some others declared war on him. So it is now the United States with its NATO. Respect the strong, not the talkers. And if they do not respect, then at least they are afraid. And the allies are parasites. While you feed them and there is no danger, they are with you, and just a little it became dangerous and not so satisfying, in a moment they will overrun to your enemy. Examples from history and life is full.
                2. nadezhiva
                  nadezhiva 27 November 2015 18: 05 New
                  +6
                  Volfovich is sure that they will not harness themselves.
                  Vladimir Zhirinovsky proposed a nuclear strike on Turkey. The LDPR leader believes that the country's allies in NATO will not interfere with this.

                  “Turks as eastern peoples - they are most annoyed and worried by the unknown. They are now in a rage - and the president, and the prime minister, and the Turkish general staff - they do not know what will happen. I would be in their place now afraid of a crushing blow to Turkey. One stupid action of the president, and there may not be a country at all, ”said Vladimir Zhirinovsky on the air of the Moscow Says radio station.

                  He also suggested "crushing the country with a nuclear missile strike." “Istanbul is very easy to destroy: just throw one nuclear bomb into the strait and wash it off. It will be such a terrible flood, a column of water will rise by 10-15 meters, and there will be no city, and 9 million live there, ”the leader of the liberal democrats said, noting that Turkey is now the main enemy for the Russian Federation.

                  We are kind, Russians, people ... And so what are peaceful crying
                  1. Lelek
                    Lelek 27 November 2015 18: 31 New
                    +1
                    Quote: nadezhiva
                    Vladimir Zhirinovsky proposed a nuclear strike on Turkey. The LDPR leader believes that the country's allies in NATO will not interfere with this.


                    Well this parrot (that shouted from the branches) in all matters of the dock. Clowning on forums and get-togethers is one thing, but the words "statesman" is completely, completely different, here the head should be turned on, and not the mouth splashing with saliva.
                    1. nadezhiva
                      nadezhiva 27 November 2015 20: 38 New
                      +6
                      Quote: Lelek

                      Well this parrot (that shouted from the branches) in all matters of the dock.

                      Well .... How to put it mildly. Wolf-ch usually performs the "talking head" dance, giving out to the public what decent politicians are not supposed to say aloud, but turns his tongue in such a way that it burns.
                    2. Zheka40
                      Zheka40 28 November 2015 02: 49 New
                      +3
                      I respect him more than your opinion! Parrot, it's you!
                  2. Stepan stepanovich
                    Stepan stepanovich 28 November 2015 10: 09 New
                    +1
                    One "wolfovich", fulfills his soldering with a killer of ideas dangerous for the "elite", replacing the "ordered" with his nonsense.
                3. urii
                  urii 27 November 2015 19: 35 New
                  +2
                  NATO will not harness. for any one. there are still not suicides. to get in touch with a nuclear country because of some kind of Turkey. they know very well that kapets and the planet will come to everyone in case of war - it's not 41 years
                4. serhz
                  serhz 27 November 2015 20: 39 New
                  +2
                  .. well, but nato .. why now look back at nato .. and why do poplars fluff ..., I understand it smells here already seriously ... life is like that, or even then sit and do not twist! "load", so be it
                  1. tehnic
                    tehnic 27 November 2015 23: 08 New
                    0
                    I agree with you Serge! Most, it seems to me, believe that we still live in the 17-19 centuries and talk about some straits. Modern warfare will last from a few minutes to a few hours at most. And only one who is decisive, who has a cold head, iron will, and most importantly, who is not afraid to die can win it! It has always been and will be so. Remember the code of the samurai, Chinese philosophy, the philosophy of our ancestors and many other peoples. And I have been convinced of this more than once on my own experience. Therefore, I live by the principle that no one can ever kill my immortal soul. And in a more modern way - / who does not risk, he does not drink champagne. True and winners will remain units. But our descendants will live in peace.
            2. Stanislav 1978
              Stanislav 1978 27 November 2015 17: 14 New
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              Yes, Harosh already telling fantastic here. Turkey will cease to exist

              I agree with you on this. And just for the sake of this I do not put you a minus.

              Great Russia has long remained in the past, in the present there is an economically weak state of oligarchs and officials with impoverished people, completely dependent on Western countries. This state is not capable of drastic steps.

              But about this you are wrong. The empire is still alive while its last soldier is alive, and the Russian army is still alive and is proving its viability (and by the way is not bad) for a long time.
              1. 33 Watcher
                33 Watcher 27 November 2015 17: 44 New
                +4
                He sold everything, already ... Sits thinking about whose banner to turn around, this time. Or already pereobulsya ...
            3. Vasek
              Vasek 27 November 2015 17: 17 New
              16
              Quote: dude_not_in_theme
              Great Russia is long gone

              So, is Turkey great now? lol
              Quote: dude_not_in_theme
              Very funny joke.

              Either you dude are really off topic or you forgot that each Russian-Turkish war left the Turks with their asses and their lost territories.
              1. dude_not_in_theme
                dude_not_in_theme 27 November 2015 17: 27 New
                -37
                Do you really think that Putin is able to start a war with a country whose army is no weaker than the Russian? And enough for all of you to remember what happened a hundred years ago. That country is no longer there. 21st century in the yard. And in the 21st century, we are not able to kick anyone's ass. Is that Ukraine any
                1. Stanislav 1978
                  Stanislav 1978 27 November 2015 17: 39 New
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                  And in the 21st century, we are not able to kick anyone's ass. Is that Ukraine any

                  Well, there was still Georgia. And in Syria, the United States made a turn from the gates. Or is it not considered?
                2. 33 Watcher
                  33 Watcher 27 November 2015 17: 46 New
                  +9
                  Here he is, the same army expert who scribbles ratings laughing
                3. Albert1988
                  Albert1988 27 November 2015 18: 30 New
                  11
                  Quote: dude_not_in_theme
                  Do you really think that Putin is able to start a war with a country whose army is no weaker than the Russian?

                  Not weaker than the Russian one? You can read at your leisure how the Turks are armed with rubbish, there our oldest weapons will seem the newest - they still have the M60 main tank! M60, Karl! And aviation - you can't really look at it without tears. The fleet is large. but also not so hot, and if we take into account the "fighting spirit" of the Turks, which tends to negative values, then the fighting efficiency of Turkey raises strong doubts.
                  On the other hand, now, naturally, no one will fight with the Turks, all the showdowns will take place on different planes ...
                  1. Forest
                    Forest 27 November 2015 19: 06 New
                    +3
                    What’s there, M-60, on 2010 they have 2800 M48 with a racially faithful 90-mm gun. The newest tank is Leo 2A4, about 300 pieces.
                  2. tehnic
                    tehnic 28 November 2015 00: 04 New
                    -2
                    Yes you are right. Now the bourgeoisie will agree among themselves. And the people will be called if they don’t agree and need to fight.
                4. Prometey
                  Prometey 27 November 2015 18: 37 New
                  -20
                  Quote: dude_not_in_theme
                  Is that Ukraine any

                  And that is unlikely.
                5. serhz
                  serhz 27 November 2015 20: 48 New
                  +2
                  ..I’m thinking why send a soldier, why should they die ..; Why do garbage. it should be easier like the USA, with Japan, still calm ...
                  ..lead when you are offended (and brazenly not according to the rules), you should be aware of the consequences ... (including such ...), and if you do not give the report, your problems ...
                6. tolancop
                  tolancop 27 November 2015 22: 17 New
                  0
                  In many ways, the Turkish army is probably no weaker than the Russian. But Turkey has no strategic missile forces.
                7. asiat_61
                  asiat_61 28 November 2015 06: 19 New
                  0
                  Katz, offers to give up !!!!!!
            4. BaLaLaykin
              BaLaLaykin 27 November 2015 17: 21 New
              15
              the closure of the strait signifies the declaration of war on Russia. In response, Russia has the right to deliver preemptive attacks on airfields and ports. TNW missing. And what will your Turkey do without aviation and navy? will run to NATO? What will NATO do, will it add sanctions to us? or are you really so naive that everyone will rush to fight for the Turks? Do they even say in their 5th article that they will act at their discretion? Or do you think that everyone loves the Turks so much to destroy their people because of them? Do not shake the bullshit
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            5. SPACE
              SPACE 27 November 2015 17: 22 New
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              Quote: dude_not_in_theme
              That's all I wanted to say.

              You probably are the same economically impoverished, non-traveled and incapable dude dependent on the West wassat your helpless inferiority causes unlimited pity. crying laughing
            6. Homo
              Homo 27 November 2015 17: 23 New
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              Quote: dude_not_in_theme
              Do you believe a patriot in your writings?

              Another POKER. For the gifted - Poke only with your finger in the ass! To strangers (possibly older than you at times) you need to contact YOU! am
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                1. 33 Watcher
                  33 Watcher 27 November 2015 17: 51 New
                  18
                  Also hamlo.
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              2. KaPToC
                KaPToC 27 November 2015 21: 06 New
                +3
                As one friend of mine in the church says, YOU have a lot of devils, and YOU are the Lord.
            7. 33 Watcher
              33 Watcher 27 November 2015 17: 39 New
              +7
              With citizens like you, for sure, the country of Khan. THANK GOD! What are you in a minority.
              And minus - a lot of honor.
              1. Yuyuka
                Yuyuka 27 November 2015 20: 11 New
                +2
                And minus - a lot of honor.

                That's it! As the saying goes, do not touch Mr. ... there was nothing worthwhile in the head ... and so apart from squeamishness no emotions - well, it lies, well, it makes sounds. Well, maybe after the 5th he wanted to say a smart thing, but it turned out to lie down and fart (s)
            8. serezhasoldatow
              serezhasoldatow 27 November 2015 17: 51 New
              +5
              I’m not tired of whining. It’s necessary to get minus!
            9. dog1965
              dog1965 27 November 2015 18: 18 New
              +6
              The guy is clearly not in the subject.
              Actually, there is no need for the very possibility of ending the existence of Turkey. This is not the country of 404, and even despite all its Bandera tricks, it exists (for now).
              But ... There is a possibility of destabilization in Turkey. Work a little with the Kurds, a little with the Armenians. It's a pity there is no opportunity to work in the European part of Turkey. That is how the "self-proclaimed Kurdish republic" will turn out, and Ararat will return to its historical roots (with skill).
              Of course, I wanted the Tsar grad to go under Greece, but so far there are no prerequisites for this. Although more recently, it loomed.
              And while there is no war between Russia and Turkey!
              What, haven’t we grown wiser in recent decades? The teachers seemed to be good. And with Truth, such matters are resolved more firmly than with Lies.
              1. Vasek
                Vasek 27 November 2015 21: 32 New
                +4
                Quote: Dog1965
                It is a pity there is no opportunity to work in the European part of Turkey.

                And why? If there is a Transdniestrian Moldavian Republic, what prevents the emergence of the Priraturetsky Greek Republic?
                Anyway, is it time to hand out Turkey to the Kurds, Armenians, Greeks and Syrians?
                Well, to attach a resort birch.
                In the end, the Turks didn’t get the Turks either by court order - in order to settle there, they first had to cut out all the local population.
            10. dmi.pris
              dmi.pris 27 November 2015 18: 23 New
              +1
              Plus for you. In the USSR, the Turks were even afraid to spit towards our border, under Catherine the Great they shook out the shirts in the Bosphorus .. What kind of state is this and attitude ... It will take a long time to recover from a tagged and drunkard ..
              Quote: dude_not_in_theme
              Yes, Harosh already telling fantastic here. Turkey will cease to exist)) A very funny joke. Do you believe a patriot in your writings? They will block the strait, it’s a matter of time, and the great emperor, as usual, will think about sanctions on chicken and tomatoes, Lavrov will express a couple of concerns, maybe they will even send a note of protest to Turkey’s Foreign Ministry and all this will be limited. I understand that you have a mission here to adjust the tasks to the answers, but at least do not fool yourself. Great Russia has long remained in the past, in the present there is an economically weak state of oligarchs and officials with impoverished people, completely dependent on Western countries. This state is not capable of drastic steps. Is it only Soloviev’s in the studio laughing That's all I wanted to say. Minus yes
              1. glasha3032
                glasha3032 27 November 2015 22: 21 New
                0
                Well, how were they afraid of spitting - the defectors and the murderers of Nadezhda Kurchenko - were not returned, the fugitive pilot on the MiG-29 was not returned either (the question is, did the Mig return?). Not really that they were afraid of the USSR ...
            11. Albert1988
              Albert1988 27 November 2015 18: 36 New
              11
              Quote: dude_not_in_theme
              Great Russia has long remained in the past, in the present there is an economically weak state of oligarchs and officials with impoverished people

              The Russian Empire - an economically backward state (a semi-feudal agrarian country when capitalism was already developing in Europe) landowners and officials with a poor people (in comparison with the European powers whose welfare was really built solely on the robbery of the colonies) gave us almost slavery (remember serfdom) to these Turks in one place in all the Russo-Turkish wars, even in the Crimean war, which we lost to us, we were the Turks who kicked again.
              But economically powerful countries, such as France, are not able to ensure their own security on their own territory, and when they say about a possible military confrontation with someone, beside the natives, Kalash nervously shrink ...
              So think, taking into account these facts, it will be useful, because not only formal economic "mosch" ensures victory in the war ...
              1. mark2
                mark2 27 November 2015 21: 05 New
                -13
                Wait a minute! And we will begin to explode. They just haven’t reached us yet. just Erdogan has not yet decided to let the soldiers of Allah into our territory. Or do you all really believe in the power of law enforcement? The power of the Russian army? Ha ha ha .. They are strong only in battles with old women and swamps, which are essentially the same disenfranchised suckers like all of us.
                It is good to imagine yourself as a strategist sitting in front of the monitor. No one here thinks of himself in a flogged tunic rotting in the trenches for weeks.
                Or are you all hoping for nuclear weapons? Nuclear weapons will never be used! This is one of those inventions which is not destined to be applied as the Tsar Cannon.
                Or maybe you think that every soldier, yesterday’s schoolboy is a real commando like that?
                Or maybe all the problems will be solved by contract soldiers? Yes, they quit faster than go die for no reason. Who then takes care of their families? None. Our state does not care about anyone.
                And in general, what problems can this State solve? For 25 years not a single one. Even a damned cable 30 km long can not be laid to the Crimea. They themselves can’t. The Chinese name is. A shame!!
                The constant nagging of government husbands that everything is not very good, and will be even worse. (Ulyukaev, Greff) tired of the hell!
                Do you know that They have already begun to rob their people? At first there were silent state employees. Now we got to the truckers. But truckers are not silent. They block the tracks. And I understand them. And we even need to support them, because if they are favored, then we will pay according to the "Plato" system, which is controlled by Rottenberg, we. We are. Nobody thinks that truckers will work to their detriment. they will raise prices and all business. Transportation will be so. But many of us will eat and drink less.
                If the government starts expensive military companies and does not have the finances to continue them, then it is necessary to hell. The last time this preparation of the country for war ended was the destruction of the Empire, the death of the entire royal family and a bloody massacre.
                1. Albert1988
                  Albert1988 27 November 2015 21: 56 New
                  +5
                  Quote: mark2
                  Wait a minute! And we will begin to explode. They just haven’t reached us yet. just Erdogan has not yet decided to let the soldiers of Allah into our territory. Or do you all really believe in the power of law enforcement?

                  How to say - today they just covered a nice company in Moscow that made bombs for terrorist attacks ...
                  So with us, pah-pah-pah, everything is fine with security, not France, where, according to friends, for the last year even the documents of the "refugees" have not been checked, not to mention something more serious ..
                  Quote: mark2
                  The power of the Russian army? Ha ha ha .. They are strong only in battles with old women and swamps,

                  The question is when exactly did the Russian army fight "with old women and swamps"? Hmm?
                  Quote: mark2
                  It is good to imagine yourself as a strategist sitting in front of the monitor. No one here thinks of himself in a flogged tunic rotting in the trenches for weeks.

                  For your information, no one "in the trenches" in a hypothetical war with Turkey will not fight, because it is banal. that they have no land borders with us, and secondly, because there will be no war in the usual sense, any sane person understands this.
                  Quote: mark2
                  Or are you all hoping for nuclear weapons?

                  Calm down, everyone knows that this is primarily a political weapon, although it’s worth recognizing that, for example, a squadron of strategic bombers that flew several times near the borders of the same Turkey can well sober up some politicians ...
                  For everything else - you, excuse me, have a tantrum? So go lie down, drink Valerian with motherwort, you know, nerve cells are not restored ...
                  And most importantly, remember - all the "calls for war" with the "pricks", these are all purely emotions of people, and by the way, we still have not so many of them as those of the same turnstiles. So you don't have to worry - no one will declare war, no one will call you into the army, and a nuclear bomb will not kill you, and you can continue. as you put it yourself,
                  Quote: mark2
                  imagine yourself a strategist sitting in front of a monitor
                  1. mark2
                    mark2 27 November 2015 22: 23 New
                    -7
                    [Quote] A question for you - when exactly was the Russian army fought "with old women and swamps"? Mmm? [/ Quo

                    In 1956, Poland and Hungary almost came off the Soviet empire. Saved the tanks. But even in the Soviet Union, fury raged. It’s just that our country is huge, all the media are under the control of the Kremlin — if it blazes in one place, they don’t know about it in others.

                    In 1956, an uprising broke out in Novorossiysk. The people stormed and defeated the police station, beat the police, burned the documents.

                    In the same year - Orenburg.

                    In October 1956, when Soviet tanks crushed Budapest, the Soviet city of Slavyansk revolted.

                    June 11, 1957 - a riot in Podolsk.

                    August 1–4, 1959 - uprising in Temirtau. The party committee and the police station are defeated. The rebels seized weapons. Troops were thrown to suppression. During the fighting, both sides used firearms. 109 soldiers and officers were injured, including 32 from a firearm. Killed 11 and wounded 29 participants in the uprising. Five wounded died in the hospital. The order to execute the rebels was given by a member of the Presidium of the Central Committee of the CPSU, Lieutenant General Leonid Ilyich Brezhnev.

                    January 15–16, 1961, Krasnodar revolted. Slogan: sweep away Soviet power and build a new Hungary. The people were “reassured” by the commander of the troops of the North Caucasus Military District, Colonel-General Pliev Issa Alexandrovich. Relieved reliably. The following year he was promoted to Khrushchev as army general.

                    Do not have time to put out in Krasnodar, flared up in Kirovabad.

                    On June 25, 1961, Biysk rebelled: the defeat of the police, shooting on the streets, three death sentences for the instigators.

                    On June 30, 1961, the city of Murom revolted. Police departments, the city department of the KGB were defeated, the city prosecutor was beaten, the rebels seized weapons and used them for self-defense. The riot is crushed by militia and troops deployed from other areas. Three leaders of the uprising sentenced to death.

                    On July 23, 1961, the Soviet city of Aleksandrovsk revolted. As always in such cases, the anger of the people was directed against the police and the city committee of the Communist Party. The rebellion was suppressed. And again - prison sentences for activists, four death sentences for instigators.

                    June 1, 1962, Novocherkassk exploded. In the morning the crowd gathered and moved to the city committee building. The bridge over the Tuzla River was blocked by tanks. An order was received to shoot the crowd, but the tankers, to their credit, refused to carry out this order. The crowd wade the river and across the bridge over the tanks. Tankers did not interfere. Realizing that the people were going to the building of the city committee of the Communist Party, comrade Kozlov and other comrades fled from there urgently, finding refuge in a military town. And the crowd went to the square.
                    And the shooting began. The shooting was not accidental. He prepared in advance. Judge for yourself: immediately dump trucks for the removal of corpses and fire engines appeared on the square, which washed off the blood with water. The area was cleaned as quickly and cleanly as they could clean, only with a preliminary order for the appropriate training of people and equipment. Soon the trial took place. Seven "instigators" - Alexander Zaitsev, Boris Mokrousov, Mikhail Kuznetsov, Vladimir Cherepanov, Andrey Korkach, Sergey Sotnikov, Vladimir Shuvaev - were sentenced to death and executed. 105 people received from 10 to 15 years of imprisonment in a maximum security prison. The total term for all is 1341.

                    This is how I dug in vain
                    and still need to remember 1991. then the army was no longer able to do anything even against the unarmed people.

                    and the police were already fighting the swamps. Well, firstly, the army is too popular and the cops are chain dogs of power.
                    1. avva2012
                      avva2012 27 November 2015 22: 48 New
                      +4
                      Are you an anti-adviser?
                      1. mark2
                        mark2 27 November 2015 23: 09 New
                        -4
                        And you, as I look, think that the USSR is such a fairy tale? The USSR was an empire. Empires are built by force, maintain their existence by force and die of powerlessness.

                        And what is the habit of immediately stigmatizing?
                      2. avva2012
                        avva2012 28 November 2015 00: 28 New
                        +2
                        Your statistics are anti-Soviet, simple. We started with Hungary, finished in 1991. I do not know what is there in Hungary, apparently the fascist shortcomings incited by "our partners" have started up. And, here's the beginning of the sixties, this is from the reign of Khrushchev, all the same. I thought Stalin would smear it, but he was "all in white." Oh, it's not like that. You cannot find fault with the former leader, people will not understand. Plus "brilliant" economic policy. Under Stalin, after all, prices were reduced annually. And, here, such an incident, and food began to disappear. This did not happen immediately after the war, but here, as luck would have it.
                  2. Albert1988
                    Albert1988 27 November 2015 22: 52 New
                    +3
                    Quote: mark2
                    In 1956, Poland and Hungary almost came off the Soviet empire. Saved the tanks ...

                    Oooo ...
                    And so - in 1941, Hitlerite Germany attacked the USSR, which had filled up all of Europe before that, with the exception of Albion, which it was just physically difficult to reach, and the Führer was noble Anglophile there, so what? Yes, it was hard at first, but in the 1945th the USSR crushed this very Germany, and also knocked out the Kwantung group in a couple of weeks from China ...
                    Or maybe remind you of the Russian-Turkish war? Admiral Ushakov and Generalissimo Suvorov?
                    Excuse me, do you give examples, because the suppression of uprisings is not the only moments where the army was used, and then, we are talking about the modern Russian army, and about the army today (and it is significantly different even from the army of the 90s, although according to what operations it carries out), and you bring the Soviet army ... This is for what reason? I’m telling you all, let's, as an example, give the army of the Russian Empire, or Ancient Russia, it will be absolutely excellent ...
                    Quote: mark2
                    and the police were already fighting the swamps.

                    Who do you think was supposed to fight them? The bogies, for your information, while they stood calmly and quietly, did not know grief and the eagles there were all sorts of "Putin must leave," etc., but when they went to rampage, the "cops" were right there.
                    As for the work of our law enforcement agencies, there’s a tip: just look at the statistics, how many terrorists / militants have been eliminated / caught / neutralized since the summer of this year, how many potential terrorist attacks were prevented, questions will immediately disappear.
                    1. mark2
                      mark2 27 November 2015 23: 15 New
                      -3
                      daaalakhoooo are not the only moments where the army was used, and then, we talk about the modern Russian army


                      You may not even mention modern RA. She was not so heroic yet. We will wait for the results of a small victorious war in Syria. Therefore, the conversation was about the Soviet army. Russian is the direct successor to that legendary and invincible. There is no sarcasm in this.
                    2. Albert1988
                      Albert1988 27 November 2015 23: 19 New
                      +1
                      Quote: mark2
                      You may not even mention modern RA.

                      Ha! Then, excuse me, your comment does not make sense at all, because if there is nothing to say about the Russian army. how can one evaluate her chances, for example, in the same war in Turkey? By the way, the modern Turkish army also did not show itself ...
                      Quote: mark2
                      Russian is the direct successor to that legendary and invincible. There is no sarcasm in this.

                      If the Soviet army was really powerful. then how to understand your phrase:
                      Quote: mark2
                      They are strong only in battles with old women and swamps,
                      ?????
                      You have no logic, my friend, elementary logic, then your Soviet army can only fight with civilians, otherwise it is "legendary and invincible" without sarcasm ...
                      It looks strange, don’t you?
              2. mark2
                mark2 27 November 2015 22: 30 New
                -4
                Therefore, don’t worry - no one will declare war, no one will call you into the army and no nuclear bomb will kill you


                I’m just not afraid) If they call, only when everyone else runs out and the homeland will be crippled. And death from a nuclear bomb is immediately better when death from secondary damaging factors.
                1. Albert1988
                  Albert1988 27 November 2015 23: 00 New
                  +4
                  Quote: mark2
                  I’m just not afraid) If they call, only when everyone else runs out and the homeland will be crippled.

                  And for your, excuse me, hysteria in the comments, it seems that you are very afraid.
                  I'll tell you a story from my life: I had an acquaintance who, like you, was hysterical for any reason, and was very afraid that he would be sent to war. then the "Chechen special forces" will squeeze out something from him, then they will make him restricted to leave ... And somehow he told me in 2005 or a little later (when provocations were in Georgia, allegedly our plane dropped a missile bomb there ) rubbed, that they say, I quote: "Now this mu..how will unleash a war in Georgia, and who will go to fight? We are with you."
                  And in 2008, when it was all over, I met him and asked: well, did you fight? So why then was hysteria?
                  Let me remind you once again - people have emotions, this is typical of people, because after such events, only completely insensitive or absolutely cold-blooded emotions will not. Now the people will release anger at the stupid Turks in the comments, calm down, start more sober reasoning.
                  And then - everyone naturally understands. that there will NOT be a war with Turkey, the Turks will be pinched by other methods, since there are many of them.
                  So I advise you - take care of your nerves, they are treated the hardest, and spoil them just spit hi
            12. dude_not_in_theme
              dude_not_in_theme 27 November 2015 23: 18 New
              -2
              It is useless to explain something to someone. The site of stubborn cheers-patriots who sincerely believe in the existence of the Russian Empire, which will defeat everyone. And for the sake of these mythical television victories over mythical enemies, they are even ready to eat bread and water, if only the sight does not end. You think that Rotenbergs, Vekselbergs and others continue to rob them to the skin. I don’t care. The main thing is that fuel trucks look how cool they explode !!
              1. Albert1988
                Albert1988 27 November 2015 23: 37 New
                +3
                Quote: dude_not_in_theme
                It is useless to explain something to someone. The site of stubborn cheers-patriots who sincerely believe in the existence of the Russian Empire, which will defeat everyone.

                In this case, the question is to you - what are you doing on this site if, according to your own words, there is no way to convince anyone? There are a lot of resources where stubborn liberoids and all-fingers are sitting, ready to ached in apologize to everyone on their knees. even the Nazis, who attacked us in the 41st, who believe that Russia does not have the right to its own political and national interests, that it should crawl on its knees in front of all sorts of Uruguay and Palau, which can only be seen on a very small-scale map.
                Go there, there will be pleasant conversations for you how bad everything is and how everything sucks, why torture yourself with the company of such unpleasant "hurray-patriots"?
        2. anip
          anip 27 November 2015 18: 55 New
          -15
          Quote: dude_not_in_theme
          Yes, Harosh already telling fantastic here ....
          Great Russia has long been left in the past, in the present there is an economically weak state of oligarchs and officials with impoverished people, completely dependent on Western countries. This state is not capable of drastic steps. Is it only Soloviev’s in the studio.

          They said everything correctly, only hurray to the Patriots is not familiar with everything.
          1. Zheka40
            Zheka40 28 November 2015 02: 52 New
            +2
            Only here the cheers-patriots will rush under the tank, and you, .... you’ll sit in the headquarters and earn medals. (I foresee, yes I, yes everyone, yes I’m super special forces), brost, not worth it
        3. urii
          urii 27 November 2015 19: 30 New
          +3
          this is nostradamus along the way. everyone knows. who will say. who will close. do not minus it
        4. sergant1.1
          sergant1.1 27 November 2015 19: 57 New
          +5
          Well, dude who is not in the topic. Tell me some country without the same shortcomings that you listed.
        5. Vadim12
          Vadim12 27 November 2015 20: 12 New
          -4
          I put a plus. Because the state of the country is described correctly. A lot of problems. But you can’t stand still. Something needs to be done.
        6. mark2
          mark2 27 November 2015 20: 21 New
          -8
          I have plus. I fully support.
        7. boris-1230
          boris-1230 27 November 2015 21: 46 New
          +4
          dude_not_in_theme (2)  Today, 16:56 ↑ New

          Yes, indeed, the DUKE IS NOT IN THE TOPIC! Yes, and also a masochist - drags from the minuses ... fool
          1. dude_not_in_theme
            dude_not_in_theme 27 November 2015 23: 23 New
            -2
            I put absolutely pluses on the minuses. I live without pink glasses, unlike 95% of the local inhabitants.
        8. pothas
          pothas 27 November 2015 21: 52 New
          +6
          you on the censor g .... n Forgive admins
        9. uralets81
          uralets81 27 November 2015 22: 20 New
          +2
          .....................
        10. Zheka40
          Zheka40 28 November 2015 02: 44 New
          +1
          You are just like that, like a person, and your opinion is the same.
        11. magosvel
          magosvel 28 November 2015 03: 13 New
          0
          Put a minus, because the dude asks. laughing
      2. marlin1203
        marlin1203 27 November 2015 17: 58 New
        -3
        If my grandmother ... Why shout something about the straits now? It was an opportunity in the first world to select the straits, so we missed it. Now we will be in the “borrowing” position all the time. Maybe someone takes seriously the possibility of our war with Turkey as a NATO member over the Straits. So this is highly unlikely. Yes, and those who wish can familiarize themselves with the composition of the Turkish Navy, it is very "wow". soldier
        1. tolancop
          tolancop 27 November 2015 22: 23 New
          0
          So the French and the British gave the straits of Russia ... Storytellers ....
          To promise - it seems to be. N doesn’t mean to promise ... you know yourself further
      3. dmi.pris
        dmi.pris 27 November 2015 18: 19 New
        +1
        Well, as the state of Turkey will not cease to exist, even legally (according to the Montreux convention) they can declare war on our country ... Moreover, "the entire civilized world" will not even scratch itself .. A big war is quite probable.
        Quote: SPACE
        Quote: Rus2012
        let them try to close.

        And Turkey as a state will very quickly and completely cease to exist, if not for the revolution 17, Constantinople would have long been Russian and not only ... "As you know, the huge Ottoman Empire incorrectly chose the German Kaiser Wilhelm as its allies. As a result, by 1917 year, Russian troops occupied most of modern Turkey, but left after the start of the Bolshevik coup in St. Petersburg. As a result, the Bosphorus never fell into the possession of the Russian emperor ... "
        ps Once Russia entered the Baltic and Black Sea, well, it will have to go to the Mediterranean ...
      4. magadanets
        magadanets 27 November 2015 18: 37 New
        +3
        And then the Bolsheviks? The Bolsheviks appeared that the strait would not become Russian. If it weren’t for the Bolsheviks, the Entente itself would have fought for the strait against Russia. In the 19th century, the Russian army was also close to Constantinople ... And now they won’t give, with bones will lie down.
        1. mark2
          mark2 27 November 2015 21: 12 New
          -3
          Do you personally go about scattering bones? And?)
      5. Leninsk
        Leninsk 28 November 2015 02: 49 New
        +1
        so they served the Nazis during the Second World War .. "Istoriya" forbids to be friends with them! Soon the remnants of the fluffy will flee to the Turks, arrange a caliphate there and recapture the strait ..)))
    2. Vasek
      Vasek 27 November 2015 17: 09 New
      +6
      Are they tired of Istanbul?
      So it’s time for the cross to be returned to St. Sophia!
    3. kuz363
      kuz363 27 November 2015 17: 14 New
      -13
      What is the conclusion? Yes, very simple. The Black Sea Fleet of Turkey is several times stronger than the Black Sea Fleet of Russia. So even if you pull up the entire Black Sea Fleet of Russia-it is useless. And they still have the Mediterranean fleet. Plus, what will Russia do if an American aircraft carrier in full readiness and an AUG from 10-15 ships of the 6th US fleet in the Mediterranean Sea is at the Bosphorus exit? It is unlikely that they are ready to fight the United States with conventional weapons, and then immediately with nuclear weapons.
      1. BaLaLaykin
        BaLaLaykin 27 November 2015 17: 41 New
        10
        dear, you confuse the soft with the warm, it doesn’t matter how many ships Turkey has in the roads, but how many in the port? Did the Americans help the Georgians a lot?
        1. mark2
          mark2 27 November 2015 21: 15 New
          -3
          and the task of helping Georgia did not stand. Georgians were a kind of bait to test the readiness of the Russian Federation to respond to provocations. We reacted to see according to plan, because we were thrown similar situations.
          And then Georgia is not a member of NATO ...
      2. KaPToC
        KaPToC 27 November 2015 21: 13 New
        +2
        Turkish fleet is possible more, but not stronger
      3. SAN31
        SAN31 27 November 2015 21: 17 New
        0
        Scared the goat with cabbage. I’ll be there, what are you writing about.
      4. tolancop
        tolancop 27 November 2015 22: 28 New
        +4
        Shooting of the Caspian flotilla, IMHO, markedly increased the combat capability of the Black Sea Fleet. Or do you think that if God forbid it breaks, then the Black Sea Fleet will be a lone hero. In fact, ALL the Armed Forces of Russia have ONE commander in chief.
      5. Olegovi4
        Olegovi4 28 November 2015 17: 12 New
        +1
        Quote: kuz363
        Turkish fleet several times stronger than Black Sea Fleet of Russia

        Can you imagine the current fighting at sea as in the time of Catherine? come out in line and let's shoot each other? now two rockets are enough to drown almost any ship.
    4. Alexey Boukin
      Alexey Boukin 27 November 2015 18: 22 New
      +2
      Quote: Rus2012
      let them try to close ... become closed!

      Dreaming is certainly not harmful, but you can lose Constantinople.
    5. gav6757
      gav6757 27 November 2015 19: 18 New
      +7
      There is no doubt that the Kremlin is preparing a tough response to the vile destruction of the Russian Su-24M aircraft. Perhaps these will not be economic sanctions or retaliation by cruise missiles. Our country has diplomatic weapons. The Kremlin has the full legal right to review and even denounce the Moscow Treaty concluded between Turkey and Soviet Russia on March 16, 1921.

      For information, on September 22, 1921, an exchange of instruments of ratification took place in Kars, according to which the border was changed in the Caucasus (the territory of Turkey increased by 30%). This act from the Turkish side was signed by unauthorized negotiators in the person of a certain commissioner Yusuf Kemal Bey, Dr. Riz Nur Bey, and Ali Fuad Pasha, delegates of the so-called Kemalist government, not recognized at that time by any country in the world. At that time, the Sevres Peace Treaty, which was signed by the administration of Sultan Mehmed VI, had legal force.

      But back to the Moscow Treaty. His first article reads:

      “Each of the contracting parties agree in principle not to recognize any peace treaties or other international acts, the adoption of which would be forced by force ...

      The term Turkey in this treaty means the territories included in the Turkish National Pact of January 28, 1920, worked out and proclaimed by the Ottoman Chamber of Deputies in Constantinople. "

      To begin with, this contract on our part was signed under the hard pressure of the Turks. By this time, the illegal military formations of the Kemalists seized large Caucasian territories and threatened to move deep into Russia, already in alliance with the Entente. The fact that the Turks are conducting secret anti-Soviet negotiations with London was reported to G.V. Chicherin on February 12, 1921 G. Astakhov, head of the Soviet information bureau in Trebizond. Thus, it will not be difficult for historians to prove the fact of political and military coercion. This is, firstly, and secondly, at that time the legitimate government of Sultan Mehmed VI Wahideddin acted, and not the coup dealers Mustafa Kemal, on whose behalf, in fact, an unjust agreement was signed.

      Under this pact, the Bolsheviks agreed to surrender significant parts of Armenia and Georgia in exchange for a saving world. Of course, from the position of today it is possible to evaluate the decisions made then in different ways, but our country, weakened by the Civil War, did not have the strength to stop the impending aggression. At that time, the aggressive circles of Turkey hatched plans for the creation of the "Great Turan" to Kazan and Altai, and this had to be taken into account.



      Will humanity survive the next wave of global confrontation?
      The fact that the Kemalists could attack without any reason is evidenced by the previous centuries-old history of Russian-Turkish relations. The All-Russian Central Executive Committee also knew about the pathological Russophobia of the Viziers. When Lenin made the decision, he recalled the anti-French Union Treaty between Russia and Turkey of September 11, 1805, which the Ottoman side terminated immediately after Napoleon’s victory at Austerlitz and started a war with Russia.
      1. Olegovi4
        Olegovi4 28 November 2015 17: 13 New
        0
        Quote: gav6757
        and started a war with Russia.

        and again I got it in the soup. Glory to Russian weapons!
    6. ancient
      ancient 27 November 2015 20: 42 New
      0
      Quote: Rus2012
      What is the conclusion? Yes, very simple -


      With all due respect, but you ... are not right and very much .. mistaken soldier
    7. 78bor1973
      78bor1973 27 November 2015 23: 28 New
      0
      It is not clear how the Montreux Convention is being introduced into the law, the USSR did not recognize this convention, then many conferences were held and there was no sense, in the end they recognized what was in the beginning! Bullshit!
  2. maxxdesign
    maxxdesign 27 November 2015 16: 45 New
    +1
    because they feel the shoulder of the owner from the usa ... it is necessary to extinguish already amerikosnyu ... the whole world is already sick of the yankees finished!
    1. anfil
      anfil 27 November 2015 18: 31 New
      +1
      There is no shoulder!
      CHARTER OF NATO
      NORTH ATLANTIC AGREEMENT

      Washington, DC, April 4 1949

      ARTICLE 4
      Contracting Parties will always consult each other if, in the opinion of any of them, the territorial integrity, political independence or security of any of the Contracting Parties is threatened.

      ARTICLE 5
      The Contracting Parties agree that an armed attack on one or more of them in Europe or North America will be considered as an attack on them as a whole, and therefore agree that if such an armed attack takes place, each of in the exercise of the right to individual or collective self-defense recognized by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, they will be assisted by a Contracting Party subjected to, or by Contracting Parties, subjected to Xia similar attack by immediate implementation of such individual or joint action, which it considers necessary including the use of armed force to restore and subsequently maintain the security of the North Atlantic region.
      Any such armed attack and all measures taken as a result of it are immediately reported to the Security Council. Such measures will cease when the Security Council takes the measures necessary to restore and maintain international peace and security.

      So what's the fuss about? I have always known that the NATO Charter never provided for automatic military assistance from its members to each other in the event of a third party's aggression. Do Yushchenko and Saakashvili know about this? Yes they do. Does Putin and Medvedev know about this? Yes they do. Do our Polish "comrades" know about this? Yes, they know, that's why they asked for the real presence of American troops and air defense on their territory.

      further on the link:http://www.reactioner.com/articles/595.html
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  4. Sultan Babai
    Sultan Babai 27 November 2015 20: 36 New
    +1
    What do you want from the Ottomans. All their time they only did that they tried to open their yap on us.
  • podpolkovnik
    podpolkovnik 27 November 2015 16: 00 New
    13
    Quote: I readNews
    Are there no voices coming to Turkey from Russia?

    There was already an article about what might be in response to the closure of the straits. For example, shut off gas to Turkey. For up to 60% of gas supplies are from Russia. Like the one in the famous movie ...
    1. Alekseev
      Alekseev 27 November 2015 16: 24 New
      20
      Quote: podpolkovnik
      what could be in response to the closure of the straits

      In response to the closure of straits may be their double closure wink for all, including the Turks themselves from our side of the Black Sea. For example, by announcing that they are using a mortally dangerous business because of mines, and mines were set up so that a hostile Turkey could not strengthen its Navy in the Black Sea to attack the Russian Federation.
      Here they will have a gesheft.
      And besides the straits, the Turks have Kurds, the Armenian Genocide, profitable gas and other economic interests.
      Well, if they close the straits, then weapons and ammunition in Syria will have to be delivered bypassing Europe and by air.
      Nothing, in the Second World convoy went and away ...
      1. svp67
        svp67 27 November 2015 17: 55 New
        +1
        hi
        Quote: Alekseev
        In response to the closure of straits may be their double closure

        There is also the option of laying a new channel using nuclear weapons. There was such an option back in the days of the USSR, and why not get it off the shelf, since there is simply nothing to lose.
    2. 1976AG
      1976AG 27 November 2015 16: 52 New
      +2
      Turn on the latest electronic warfare systems for a while, so that the Turkish Armed Forces are deaf and blind, like the US destroyer in the Black Sea, and let them think in complete silence about their behavior !!!
    3. mark2
      mark2 27 November 2015 21: 27 New
      -4
      For example, shut off gas to Turkey


      Crap, that's it! State dignity is a good thing, but in order that people would not rebel, that life has become worse. The main loot. They sold gas, and will sell! The gas does not belong to Putin and he cannot block it. As soon as he tries, his own will be replaced.
  • Denis Obukhov
    Denis Obukhov 27 November 2015 16: 03 New
    41
    May Turkey not close the straits. He will apply any measures against us, but he will not close the straits.
    To close the straits means to admit that we are at war with us. But in war as in war.
    In this case, our hands will be untied for any actions.
    First of all, we cut off the gas completely. And this is 60% of the total gas consumption by Turkey.
    Turkish economy will collapse. This alone is enough.
    But we can block Turkey’s access to the Black Sea from one side.
    On the other hand, from the Mediterranean side, block the strait for all Turkish ships.
    Can't we use the straits? So the Turks will not be able to.
    We have another way in this case to continue supplying our base in Syria - through Gibraltar.
    Even these measures will be enough to force the Turks back down.
    And we will find other ways to annoy the Turks. They will not find it enough!
    1. ammunition
      ammunition 27 November 2015 17: 09 New
      +1
      Quote: Denis Obukhov
      May Turkey not close the straits. He will apply any measures against us, but he will not close the straits.


      We must be ready for any turn of events! sad
      -------------
      Therefore.
      I hope that our command has already taken care of creating warehouses with relevant resources in Murmansk.
      Since both Big and Small Belt are also easy to block.


      I also hope that our command took care of the inventory of not only military transport ships .. but also suitable civilian vessels.
      Like ferries that can take up to 10 000 tons of cargo. And up to 60 units of bulky equipment.
      I hope that our command has also taken care of covering our convoys at sea. Ships such as destroyers or MO.

      PS
      We must remember that this is not the time of Gromyko. Even in the event of a full-scale war with Turkey, we will not use thermonuclear ammunition.
      In an extreme case, either tectonic weapons (which are more terrible than nuclear weapons) will be used, or there will be a complete "shutdown" in Turkey of any electricity. Up to pocket batteries. Which also completely destroys Turkey.
      1. Kuzyakin15
        Kuzyakin15 27 November 2015 18: 22 New
        0
        Ammunition:
        What are the destroyers? How many of them are in the Russian fleet and how many of them are in service? How many at least the same BOD?
    2. kuz363
      kuz363 27 November 2015 17: 20 New
      -1
      So the British will also block Gibraltar. And they forgot about the faithful friends of the Americans with their 6 fleet in the Mediterranean.
      1. ammunition
        ammunition 27 November 2015 17: 25 New
        +4
        Quote: kuz363
        So the British will also block Gibraltar. And they forgot about the faithful friends of the Americans with their 6 fleet in the Mediterranean.


        There is reason in your words.
        But!
        The logic of the circumstances is such that the British and Americans will try to remain in the "shadow" for as long as possible. That is - Gibraltar will be open for a long time.
      2. Darkoff
        Darkoff 27 November 2015 18: 48 New
        +2
        So the British will also block Gibraltar. And they forgot about the faithful friends of the Americans with their 6 fleet in the Mediterranean.

        That you are already considering the scenario of a war with NATO. Then all the khan. Generally everyone.
        There is still a loophole through Suez.
    3. opus
      opus 27 November 2015 17: 56 New
      -2
      Quote: Denis Obukhov
      May Turkey not close the straits.

      If ours beat Turkish F-16 (or better 2), be sure to (CLOSE).
      And ours will be knocked down. As soon as the tourists leave. 99% chance
      Quote: Denis Obukhov
      In this case, our hands will be untied for any actions.

      what "any"?

      Quote: Denis Obukhov
      First of all, we cut off the gas completely. And this is 60% of the total gas consumption by Turkey.
      Turkish economy will collapse

      1. Blocked. Turkey SECOND buyer of Gasprom (after Germany) by volume. Have you asked Miller? Miller money and where will it get the budget?
      2. Turkey will not be lost
      - get acquainted with her gas pipelines



      next to Iraq, Iran, Azerbaijan. Yes and Saudis with Qatar with their LNG nearby

      - the country is not cold, it will not freeze
      - why will the economy "collapse"?
      Even the fact that the plastics sector in Turkey is the 2nd largest producer in Europe and the 7th in the world; Turkey aims to become the largest producer in Europe by 2016.
      Will not help". Gas will go "reverse" from the UES, as with kaklami
      Quote: Denis Obukhov
      But we can block Turkey’s access to the Black Sea from one side.

      That's just funny. Pants won't tear?
      24 frigate URO and at least 20 modern missile boats Kiliç.
      Today, the Turkish fleet is almost three times the number of cruise missiles in the first salvo of the Russian Black Sea Fleet. The number of anti-ship missiles in the salvo of a naval group of the Turkish Navy is 280 (252 Harpoon, 16 Penguin, 12 Exozet), Black Sea Fleet - 84 (16 Basalt, 26 Mosquito, 18 Malachite, 4 Termite ", 4" Frontier ", 16 torpedoes).
      (excluding Caliber and recent changes)
      Three-fold superiority of the "southern neighbor"
      + 11 Turkish submarines (the process of replacing obsolete American boats of Guppy and Tang types with German 209/1200 and 209/1400 projects is almost complete)
      + Air Force
      Tusas F-16C + Tusas F-16D = 208 units and 26x Canadair NF-5A
      + All this is at hand (how difficult was it for that alliance to take Sevastopol in the XNUMXth century?)

      Quote: Denis Obukhov
      On the other hand, from the Mediterranean side, block the strait for all Turkish ships.


      in WW1 Entente (England from the side of the middle-earth), the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Empire (from the World Cup) could not block the straits. Against the rotten Turkish fleet and SMS Goeben SMS Breslau.
      1. opus
        opus 27 November 2015 17: 59 New
        -5
        Quote: Denis Obukhov
        So the Turks will not be able to.

        They do not really need a strait (96% of the freight traffic is not theirs)
        and they have enough ports. And they won’t be able to block even the WHOLE Navy of the Russian Federation, and the Russian VKS too

        ==========================
        Total?
        Quote: Denis Obukhov
        They will not find it enough!

        Zilch.
        1. Victor-M
          Victor-M 27 November 2015 23: 42 New
          +2

          I think that here, on the map of Turkey, something is missing, probably the Strait? what
      2. Kuzyakin15
        Kuzyakin15 27 November 2015 18: 27 New
        -2
        opus:
        100% +
        Only the Turkish fleet not only surpasses the Black Sea Fleet, but also the Baltic Fleet.
        1. 78bor1973
          78bor1973 27 November 2015 23: 34 New
          +3
          It surpasses, purely quantitatively, only after arriving at the Black Sea Fleet "Samum" and "Bora" the Turks were seriously scared, the Turkish fleet is quite old and half of the ships do not sail! I am simply silent about the new alignment! angry
          1. opus
            opus 28 November 2015 03: 56 New
            0
            and what is "Samum"?

            it's MRK!

            Quote: 78bor1973
            The Ural fleet is quite old and half of the ships do not sail!

            what nonsense to carry.
            1. 14 submarines belong to the German version of the type Atilay (project 209/1200), Preveze (209 / Т1.1400), Gur 209 /T2.1400):.

            Starting next year, a replacement for Type 214
            2. Corvettes of the MILGEM class

            3. Frigates like MEKO 200

            4. Frigates like "Oliver Hazard Perry", the GENESIS program and, as it were, American junk,

            but with the new CUS Gemi Entegre Savaş İdare Sistemi and the Dutch SMART-S + Mk 41 into eight cells.
            Quote: 78bor1973
            and half the ships do not go!

            had a dream or something?
        2. opus
          opus 28 November 2015 04: 07 New
          -4
          Quote: Kuzyakin15
          Only the Turkish fleet not only surpasses the Black Sea Fleet, but also the Baltic Fleet.

          Yes I know.
          It’s not clear why you put stubborn minuses with sheep’s stubbornness and with sheep’s justification.
          -------------------------------------------
          I will remind you of the Cypriot stories of the late 70s of the last century

          The Turkish invasion fleet included 23 landing ships - 1 LST, 2 LSM, 20 LCU, carrying approximately 3 soldiers from the 000th Marine Regiment and the 6th Infantry Regiment. The landing craft escorted 50 destroyers (including the D-5 Maresal Favzi Cakmak, D-351 Adatepe, D-353 Kocatepe, D-354 Tinaztepe) and 355 frigates. At the crossing at night, the invasion detachment was discovered by the Soviet minesweeper "Rear Admiral Pershin" (Ph. Malyshev).

          So what?
          Turks wandered over the ships of the 5th squadron in the Mediterranean Sea during the conflict?

          Here they are:

          RKR pr.58 "Terrible" Black Sea Fleet
          KR pr. 68 bis "Zhdanov" Black Sea Fleet
          BOD pr.61 "Red Caucasus" Black Sea Fleet
          BOD pr.61 "Red Crimea" Black Sea Fleet
          BPK pr.1134A "Admiral Nakhimov" SF
          BPK pr.1134A "Admiral Makarov" SF
          EM Project 56 “Flaming” Black Sea Fleet
          EM Project 56 “Assertive” Black Sea Fleet
          EM Project 56 “Experienced” Black Sea Fleet
          SDK pr.773 "SDK-82" Black Sea Fleet
          SKR pr.50 "Marten" Black Sea Fleet
          SKR pr50 "Panther" Black Sea Fleet
          SKR pr. 50 "SKR-77" Black Sea Fleet
          IPC pr.1124 "MPK-147" Black Sea Fleet
          МТЩ pr.266M "Radio Operator" Black Sea Fleet
          МТЩ pr.266M "Rear Admiral Pershin" (St. Malyshev)
          PBPL pr.310 "Fedor Vidyaev"
          REC "Abakan"
          MB-130
          RFU "Lama"
          TN "Leningrad"
          TN "Desna"
          TN "Krasnovodsk"
          Submarines - diesel, at least 10, mainly from 69 UAVs


          and the Cypriots then killed the American ambassador Davis m / y by the way.
      3. KaPToC
        KaPToC 27 November 2015 22: 02 New
        +3
        You compare Turkish subsonic missiles with Russian supersonic ones, which not only fly much faster, but also have three times the long range and two to three times the weight of the warhead.
        The Turkish fleet will be at the bottom without even approaching the distance of launching its missiles.
        1. opus
          opus 28 November 2015 04: 05 New
          -1
          Quote: KaPToC
          subsonic turkish missiles

          American and French.
          Turks have not yet launched their anti-ship missiles SOM

          Quote: KaPToC
          which not only fly much faster, but also have three times the long range and two to three times the weight of the warhead.

          Do not carry nonsense.
          1. Either range or speed. And pay attention to the ZM-54 (what our fleet is moving to)
          2. And how many carriers?
          3. Here you are interesting 16x "Basalt", 26 x "Mosquito", 18x "Malachite", 4 x "Termite"
          how will you cut it all?

          1/4 or 1/3 of the target?
          Quote: KaPToC
          The Turkish fleet will be at the bottom without even approaching the distance of launching its missiles.

          The Dardanelles and the Bosphorus seemed to be going to take our leaven.
          Who will approach the launch distance to whom?
          1. KaPToC
            KaPToC 28 November 2015 22: 35 New
            +1
            1 Both range and speed, our missiles are heavier.
            2 is enough.
            3 Have you gathered every canoe to heat with basalts? There will be enough URO for ships, and grab different tankers and transports.
            1. KaPToC
              KaPToC 28 November 2015 22: 54 New
              +1
              1 Both range and speed, our missiles are heavier.
              2 is enough.
              3 Have you gathered every canoe to heat with basalts? There will be enough URO for ships, and grab different tankers and transports.

              I would like to remind you that the most "serious" carrier among the Turks is the Oliver Perry-class frigates in the amount of eight pieces.
              There are eight more types of frigates of the MEKO class, something like our corvettes, also 8 pieces, a total of one salvo from "Moscow".
              There are six more corvettes with 1100 tons of displacement, weaker than our new RTOs.
    4. Kuzyakin15
      Kuzyakin15 27 November 2015 18: 18 New
      0
      But aren't the British sitting in Gibraltar?
      But the British are not allies of the Turks? And in the entire history of the Russian-Turkish wars, who incited the Turks and, warmed up? Are they shaving with the French?
      So in case of complications with the Turks, they will miss us. Especially warships, and cargo ships with military cargo.
    5. glasha3032
      glasha3032 27 November 2015 22: 34 New
      -2
      In Gibraltar, whose base is the Navy? Forgotten! And the base of one of the NATO countries and most likely they will not miss our ships even in the Atlantic ...
  • Gani
    Gani 27 November 2015 16: 09 New
    11
    It's crap, if suddenly real hostilities begin, and not border incidents, then it will be possible to take these "voices" seriously, but for now, we also have one about nuclear retaliation shouting. But since the 19th century, Russia has always prepared plans for the "opening" of the straits and now there is for sure
    1. MIKHAN
      MIKHAN 27 November 2015 16: 15 New
      43
      Here is the story ....
      Curiously, in the late 70s, Turkey stated that it was considering closing the passage through the Bosphorus to the Mediterranean for warships of the Soviet Union.

      To this statement, comrade Gromyko Andrei Andreevich (USSR Foreign Minister from 1957 to 1985) told American journalists at a cocktail party at the White House that a passage to the Mediterranean Black Sea Fleet of the USSR would require only a couple of volleys of missiles. As a result of this, in addition to the Bosphorus, two more passages will appear in the Mediterranean, but, alas, there will be no Istanbul. After these words, Turkey never again raised the issue of closing the Bosphorus to the warships of the USSR. Maybe the time has come for Russia to remind Ankara about this again?
      Source: http://fishki.net/1753867-kak-gromyko-bosfor-zawitil.html?mode=best © Fishki.net

      Such were the cases! Gromyko "comrade NO" he was called in the west!
      1. Lone wolf
        Lone wolf 27 November 2015 17: 02 New
        +5
        Quote: MIKHAN
        Here is the story ....
        Curiously, in the late 70s, Turkey stated that it was considering closing the passage through the Bosphorus to the Mediterranean for warships of the Soviet Union.

        To this statement, comrade Gromyko Andrei Andreevich (USSR Foreign Minister from 1957 to 1985) told American journalists at a cocktail party at the White House that a passage to the Mediterranean Black Sea Fleet of the USSR would require only a couple of volleys of missiles. As a result of this, in addition to the Bosphorus, two more passages will appear in the Mediterranean, but, alas, there will be no Istanbul. After these words, Turkey never again raised the issue of closing the Bosphorus to the warships of the USSR. Maybe the time has come for Russia to remind Ankara about this again?
        Source: http://fishki.net/1753867-kak-gromyko-bosfor-zawitil.html?mode=best © Fishki.net

        Such were the cases! Gromyko "comrade NO" he was called in the west!
        And now it is SO HOLD !!!!
      2. Kuzyakin15
        Kuzyakin15 27 November 2015 18: 31 New
        -7
        Meehan:
        The USSR has been gone for a quarter of a century.
        And today's Russia is far from the USSR since the time of Comrade Gromyko both militarily and economically.
        1. MIKHAN
          MIKHAN 27 November 2015 19: 06 New
          +4
          Quote: Kuzyakin15
          Meehan:
          The USSR has been gone for a quarter of a century.
          And today's Russia is far from the USSR since the time of Comrade Gromyko both militarily and economically.

          Well, don’t tell ... Russia was and will be! We will be stronger and more powerful than the USSR ... Give time! hi I smell genes!
  • inpu
    inpu 27 November 2015 16: 11 New
    10
    You can expand the Bosphorus and the Dardanelles, so it was difficult to block.

    This is how Nicaragua recently disappeared on the map. I thought that the Chinese overdid it with the width of their new channel. I look, later returned the country to the ass.
    1. 1976AG
      1976AG 27 November 2015 16: 56 New
      +9
      They returned not "in the ass", but "back". "Back" is now busy with Ukraine.
  • 79807420129
    79807420129 27 November 2015 16: 11 New
    18
    Quote: I readNews
    Are there no voices coming to Turkey from Russia?

    It is reported that Erdogan is just a dumb ass, they are being used by arrogant Saxons, but Erdogan does not understand this.
    1. MIKHAN
      MIKHAN 27 November 2015 16: 17 New
      +1
      A simple solution to the question !!!)))
      1. 2s1122
        2s1122 27 November 2015 16: 46 New
        +5
        But Turkey then remained, immediately correct the mistake laughing
        1. MIKHAN
          MIKHAN 27 November 2015 18: 59 New
          +3
          Quote: 2s1122
          But Turkey then remained, immediately correct the mistake laughing

          There is our Constantinople ..)))
    2. ronin
      ronin 27 November 2015 16: 22 New
      +3
      Quote: 79807420129
      Erdogan is just a dumb ass
      Muslims are more offended when they call a pig ....
      1. MIKHAN
        MIKHAN 27 November 2015 16: 45 New
        +2
        Quote: ronin
        Quote: 79807420129
        Erdogan is just a dumb ass
        Muslims are more offended when they call a pig ....

        Erdogan is a real donkey ... I have the honor!
  • MATROSKIN-53
    MATROSKIN-53 27 November 2015 16: 55 New
    +9
    As soon as Turkey closes the Bosphorus, Catherine II’s dream will soon come true: Istanbul will become Constantinople. (Voice of Russia)
    1. st25310
      st25310 27 November 2015 17: 23 New
      +2
      As soon as Turkey closes the Bosphorus, Catherine II’s dream will soon come true: Istanbul will become Constantinople. (Voice of Russia). And the southern stream will gain a second wind.
  • berkut9737
    berkut9737 27 November 2015 17: 18 New
    +2
    Are there no voices coming to Turkey from Russia?

    Russia is slowly harnessing, and the Turks are contracting more and more points. It has already shrunk so much that we hear only their weak voices about forgiveness in the form of ridiculous threats. I would not be surprised if tomorrow in Turkey there will be a wave of suicides from the fact that the Russians are harnessed for a long time.
  • Alibekulu
    Alibekulu 27 November 2015 18: 57 New
    -6
    former chief of staff of the Russian Navy Viktor Kravchenko. His statement leads RIA Novosti:
    Turkey will not be able to close the Black Sea straits for Russian ships and ships bound for Syria - this will be a violation of international law and the Montreux Convention in particular, and in fact it was signed by the majority of the states of the world for that period of time.
    Turkey can do with the Montreux Convention just as Russia did with the Budapest Memorandum .. No.
    1. KaPToC
      KaPToC 27 November 2015 22: 05 New
      +2
      Russia can do with Istanbul in the same way as with the Crimea.
      1. Alibekulu
        Alibekulu 27 November 2015 23: 20 New
        0
        Quote: KaPToC
        Russia can do with Istanbul in the same way as with the Crimea.
        laughing Nu and what then we wait .. lol ?!
  • Skifotavr
    Skifotavr 28 November 2015 03: 06 New
    +1
    Quote: I readNews
    Are there no voices coming to Turkey from Russia?

    For example, help Greece and Armenia liberate their lands from the undeveloped Ottoman invaders.
  • SAXA.SHURA
    SAXA.SHURA 28 November 2015 15: 33 New
    0
    The Severodvinsk nuclear submarine will discourage any strait-cutter from hunting.
  • sever.56
    sever.56 27 November 2015 15: 53 New
    14
    It will be tantamount to declaring war
    1. GRAY
      GRAY 27 November 2015 15: 58 New
      +8
      Quote: sever.56
      It will be tantamount to declaring war

      We leave the Montreux Convention and about the nuclear-free status of the Black Sea, too, respectively, we forget. They want to fight, after that - let them try.
      1. sever.56
        sever.56 27 November 2015 16: 09 New
        +7
        Quote: GRAY
        Exit the Montreux Convention


        This convention is a big headache for us. Stay or don’t stay in it - our access to the Mediterranean Sea can be difficult. But I have already said that this will be tantamount to a declaration of war.

        Quote: GRAY
        about the nuclear-free status of the Black Sea, too, respectively, forget


        And this is quite possible. After all, the Americans "forgot" to withdraw their nuclear weapons from Western Europe, Germany in particular.
        1. GRAY
          GRAY 27 November 2015 16: 23 New
          +6
          Quote: sever.56
          And it is quite possible.

          You don’t even have to strain especially, there is any nuclear weapons at the Black Sea Fleet. It’s just on the shore.
          The convention legally substantiates Turkey’s control over the straits; they will have to be sent along with it in a stump. Let the war be declared as it should be, otherwise they gathered to block the straits - the Balabanov queens.
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      2. 3axap82
        3axap82 27 November 2015 16: 17 New
        -5
        Have you heard about the Turkish fleet? 4,5 times more than the Russian Black Sea Fleet. Or how many of us will talk about nuclear weapons? Erdogan's awareness of the collision with the nuclear power of Russia did not stop.
        To get out of the convention, Turkey must be defeated in the war.
        1. aleks 62 next
          aleks 62 next 27 November 2015 16: 30 New
          13
          ..... Have you heard about the Turkish fleet? 4,5 times the Russian Black Sea Fleet .....

          ... Have you heard .... And you about the "Bastions" and the Tu-22 with X-22 missiles sharpened specifically for these purposes, not counting the "Caliber" on MRK and submarines, I think not ???? ....
          1. kuz363
            kuz363 27 November 2015 17: 24 New
            -9
            Have you heard about the 6th US fleet in the Mediterranean? With aircraft carriers, ships, planes and more. Do you think they will stay away? Well, the rest of the NATO countries. But in a normal war with NATO, Russia has no chance. It has long been proven.
            1. BaLaLaykin
              BaLaLaykin 27 November 2015 17: 36 New
              +7
              Do you think the Americans will rush to defend the Turks? Maximum sanction
            2. berkut9737
              berkut9737 27 November 2015 17: 41 New
              +4
              Have you heard about the 6th US fleet in the Mediterranean? With aircraft carriers, ships, planes and more. Do you think they will stay away? Well, the rest of the NATO countries. But in a normal war with NATO, Russia has no chance. Long proven

              Who is proven? Stupid and non-knowing? Alexander Vasilievich Suvorov is not enough for these theorists. Forward! Victory! Glory! Russians do not know other theories. And why should the mattresses unleash a conflict with us through intermediaries if they then need to fight with us themselves?
            3. Rroman
              Rroman 27 November 2015 18: 42 New
              +3
              It is proved by Donald Cook and after the Caspian salvo they brave away.
            4. Valentine
              Valentine 27 November 2015 20: 13 New
              +3
              And in the event of a war, there will be no ordinary war if NATO enters into it. Conventional weapons will be used only in a local war, but during escalation, it is possible to use nuclear weapons if countries with nuclear capabilities do not intervene. Otherwise, we will have a full-scale nuclear war , with the destruction of 3/4
              all of humanity. And who will do this?
        2. GRAY
          GRAY 27 November 2015 16: 36 New
          +7
          Quote: 3axap82
          Have you heard about the Turkish fleet?

          Mr their fleet, nothing particularly impressive.
          1. kuz363
            kuz363 27 November 2015 17: 28 New
            -4
            But in vain. All of their ships were built last in Western countries with modern weapons. Not like the Black Sea Fleet of Russia with ships of 20 years ago.
            1. GRAY
              GRAY 27 November 2015 18: 40 New
              +5
              Quote: kuz363
              But in vain. All of their ships were built last in Western countries with modern weapons.

              Used American and European trash is their core.
              There are only two new ships built - the corvettes Heyblyad and Buyukada.
              1. berkut9737
                berkut9737 27 November 2015 21: 51 New
                +1
                corvettes "Heyblyad" and "Buyukada".

                Names that say "Hey looking","B (x) wow ukada ". laughing Well. how can you fight on such boxes? Shame alone. laughing
          2. Wolverine
            Wolverine 27 November 2015 21: 58 New
            +3
            I will add that in modern conditions the navy, as it were, is no longer needed, you can shoot calibers from any civilian BARGE where no one expects. hi
        3. BaLaLaykin
          BaLaLaykin 27 November 2015 17: 25 New
          +2
          most of the ships are at the berths, and there you will stay. For this TNW and created
        4. Vasek
          Vasek 27 November 2015 17: 26 New
          +8
          Quote: 3axap82
          Have you heard about the Turkish fleet? 4,5 times more than the Russian Black Sea Fleet.

          Recently, the size of the Russian Black Sea Fleet is more correctly measured taking into account the Caspian Flotilla.
          1. svp67
            svp67 27 November 2015 17: 59 New
            +4
            Quote: Vasek
            Recently, the size of the Russian Black Sea Fleet is more correctly measured taking into account the Caspian Flotilla.

            And the operational squadron in the Mediterranean Sea, as well as the Coastal Forces in the Crimea ... and Turkey’s advantage is not so overwhelming
    2. sever.56
      sever.56 27 November 2015 16: 00 New
      23
      http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2015/828/etyu816.png
      1. Vasek
        Vasek 27 November 2015 17: 31 New
        +3
        Yes, but it is necessary to listen to Satanovsky ... yes
        My grandfather told me: "If you doubt where to go to study, then go where the Jews go - they have never been wrong."
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    4. Vita vko
      Vita vko 27 November 2015 16: 02 New
      24
      Quote: sever.56
      It will be tantamount to declaring war

      Unfortunately for Erdogan, it will end quickly, there is no missile defense in Turkey, and Iskander’s flight is just a few minutes. Even a tie does not have time to bite. It is a pity the rest of the people of Turkey, who became hostage to this irresponsible policy.
      1. dorz
        dorz 27 November 2015 16: 07 New
        11
        Russia can openly support the Kurds, and in Turkey they know about it.
    5. katalonec2014
      katalonec2014 27 November 2015 16: 04 New
      12
      In this case, Yes, we simply won’t be left with a choice. As far as NATO is concerned, there is now discord over the latest incident, and here a grandiose cracker is washing up, and therefore they will condemn the actions of Erdogan, not unambiguously hinting that in the case of mixing with Russia, you will understand myself.
      1. 3axap82
        3axap82 27 November 2015 16: 18 New
        +2
        If so.
      2. Grbear
        Grbear 27 November 2015 16: 25 New
        +7
        Yes, there (in here) one general has already begun to sing about the exclusion of Turkey from the alliance for "bad" behavior. Either they do not support the sanctions, but trade with them openly, then they do not "ask" to shoot down the planes (if only the Syrian, no ... where they were aiming), and then they ask for protection. Some smut from the Turks ... No.
    6. Skifotavr
      Skifotavr 28 November 2015 03: 17 New
      0
      Quote: sever.56
      It will be tantamount to declaring war

      Russia needs to rely on Turkey’s long-standing confrontation with Greece. Greece is also a member of NATO, and in the event of a war between them, NATO will simply be constrained and most likely exclude from its membership a problematic and unpredictable Islamic member. Russia only needs to provide Greece with military and political support.
  • MT266
    MT266 27 November 2015 15: 54 New
    +6
    yes, then porridge will brew! But the straits will not interfere with the supply of our contingent in Syria, at least not for long, and then the Turks if they don’t go for it. In general, everything can be.
  • dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 27 November 2015 15: 55 New
    +8
    This, by and large, will not play any role. Russia has enough means and ways to get any enemy in any part of the world! And they know that.
    1. 3axap82
      3axap82 27 November 2015 16: 22 New
      +1
      Get it, smash it, or make a nuclear garbage dump there? This is not the same thing. Even if no one responds to a nuclear strike on Turkey, the straits will be infected if there are straits at all. And the Black Sea and coastal zones of the countries of the World Cup. NF is a way to die from a life without a military defeat and take the enemy’s lives, but not to resolve issues related to the fact that oil has fallen in price and the Russian budget is getting less money.
      1. BaLaLaykin
        BaLaLaykin 27 November 2015 17: 29 New
        +8
        start paying taxes not only with a clean, but also a gray salary. rest in Russia. save money in rubles and money will appear in the budget hi TNW does not have as much contagious effect as you described
  • Polovtsian
    Polovtsian 27 November 2015 15: 55 New
    +8
    Voices are heard from Turkey about the need to close the Bosphorus for Russia
    Fools are missing everywhere as I look.
  • DobryAAH
    DobryAAH 27 November 2015 15: 56 New
    +3
    By the way, who didn’t fall on the one who is working on such a plan yet? They can.
  • Denis Obukhov
    Denis Obukhov 27 November 2015 15: 56 New
    +7
    Most likely one of the possible options for the development of the situation with the downed Russian aircraft was this one, with straits. Maybe they hoped for a response from Russia that we hit the fighter’s home registry airfield. Then Turkey could get involved in a war with Russia and announce the closure of the strait. Although this is the craziest option, but it has a place to be. The United States has long wanted to revise the Montreux Convention, citing changing realities. And the war ... This is not the first time that the nerves of the Russian leaders have been tested and their readiness to use nuclear weapons to defend their borders. And each time the checks are getting tougher and bolder.
    1. DobryAAH
      DobryAAH 27 November 2015 16: 10 New
      0
      It's too early. Like the NATO ships should pack in batches in the World Cup, then it starts.
    2. NEXUS
      NEXUS 27 November 2015 16: 13 New
      +3
      Quote: Denis Obukhov
      And each time the checks are getting tougher and bolder.

      I would not want to, but there is such an option for the development of events, in the event of further military confrontation, this is the use of the Iskanders with a small nuclear war ... moreover, such a development of events, if Erdogan is not calm down, it is quite possible to be.
      1. igorka357
        igorka357 27 November 2015 16: 21 New
        +2
        It’s not possible, think what’s writing? Turkey is a NATO member, and if NATO throws everything to the Turks ... there’s no more NATO, they will run away from him as a leper, because they will understand what to feed, treat and serve with sexual pleasures. . !!!
        1. gladcu2
          gladcu2 27 November 2015 16: 32 New
          +3
          igorka357

          There is only one connecting force in NATO. And this is definitely not a threat from the Russian Federation or terrorists under the leadership of those unfortunates like Bin Laden.
        2. engineer74
          engineer74 27 November 2015 16: 48 New
          +6
          Quote: igorka357
          It’s not possible, think what’s writing? Turkey is a NATO member, and if NATO throws everything to the Turks ... there’s no more NATO, they will run away from him as a leper, because they will understand what to feed, treat and serve with sexual pleasures. . !!!

          Here a little bit wrong: Article 5 of the NATO Charter is valid at attacking on a member of NATO! In the meantime, there will be aggression from Turkey, so that NATO will send them legally, and then expel them due to the lack of a map! Erdogan’s ambitions are not a reason for the 3rd World War and in the NATO Council it seems to understand this!
          IMHO
          PS American games with the Kurds - is it not in a Turkish cobblestone garden? wink In perspective, so to speak!
        3. NEXUS
          NEXUS 27 November 2015 16: 55 New
          +3
          Quote: igorka357
          Not possible, think what are you writing?

          Dear, I always think that I am writing or saying ...
          Quote: igorka357
          since they will understand what to feed, treat and serve with sexual pleasures of NATU nada, and the sense of it is zero ... !!!

          Do you seriously believe that they don’t understand this? Who is now paying the fees there? M
    3. igorka357
      igorka357 27 November 2015 16: 19 New
      +2
      Yes, as if a Janissary and without nuclear weapons fail!
  • maxim1987
    maxim1987 27 November 2015 15: 58 New
    +5
    a feeling that the Turks no longer need Constantinople
    1. KBR109
      KBR109 27 November 2015 16: 23 New
      -2
      It may very well be. What about Istanbul? bully
  • cdrt
    cdrt 27 November 2015 15: 58 New
    +1
    interesting. But how was the Montreux Convention violated in 888 ???
    1. igorka357
      igorka357 27 November 2015 16: 17 New
      +1
      There were no violations, due to force majeure circumstances the deadlines were violated, but not for long, according to the tonnage everything was within the framework of the convention !!!
    2. APASUS
      APASUS 27 November 2015 16: 23 New
      0
      Quote: cdrt
      interesting. But how was the Montreux Convention violated in 888 ???

      The Montreux Convention limits the tonnage and the arrival time of military vessels in the Black Sea of ​​non-Black Sea countries. Over time, they were a little late, but the tonnage exceeded significantly.
  • Siberia
    Siberia 27 November 2015 15: 58 New
    +8
    Somehow, neither the USSR before, nor the USA now, was at all bothered by the possible closure of the straits ...
  • 75 hammer
    75 hammer 27 November 2015 15: 58 New
    -5
    In any case, hands are untied after the SU-24 - 14 The Russian-Turkish war has begun! So that the Janissaries do not moo, we have three reciprocal ones (gas, electricity, nuclear weapons) for any step they take! Perdogan will be punished along with all the minions! Victory will be ours!
    1. kuz363
      kuz363 27 November 2015 17: 31 New
      +2
      Is Russia delivering electricity to Turkey through the Black Sea?
      1. Vasek
        Vasek 27 November 2015 22: 58 New
        0
        Quote: kuz363
        Is Russia delivering electricity to Turkey through the Black Sea?

        laughing laughing laughing Load the oranges in the barrels of the brothers Karamazov. laughing
        (And electricity - in boxes and on the ship!).
  • Nick
    Nick 27 November 2015 16: 00 New
    +7
    Given the fact that Turkey did not particularly care about international law and common sense when it hit the plane of the Russian Aerospace Force, it can be said that following the letter of the convention of the 1936 model of the year is unlikely to stop Erdogan if he decided to go all-in .
    Then Russia has every right to lay down all its international obligations with regard to Turkey ...
  • Denis DV
    Denis DV 27 November 2015 16: 02 New
    +4
    There will be a strait, but no Turkey. Turks Suitsidniki?
  • mik0588
    mik0588 27 November 2015 16: 02 New
    +5
    The main Turkish newspaper Bugün printed on the front page a phrase in Russian “We are friends, neighbors”. Thus, the newspapermen tried to relieve tension between the two countries after the incident with the Russian Su-24.

    The next issue of the largest Turkish publication came out today urging Russia to recall good neighborly relations and friendship. Under the heading “We are Friends, Neighbors”, a photograph of Russian and Turkish children was posted.

    Journalists expressed the hope that this gesture on their part will help at least slightly ease the tension in relations between Russia and Turkey, as well as recall the friendship and good neighborliness of these two countries.
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 27 November 2015 16: 12 New
      11
      Quote: mik0588
      remind about friendship

      Such friends for hell, but to the museum. yes
      1. AdekvatNICK
        AdekvatNICK 27 November 2015 16: 34 New
        +2
        look at the other side of the coin. What do their newspapers write?


        http://forum.topwar.ru/topic/2059-«za-nami-net-greha»-chto-pishet-turetskaya-pre
        ssa-o-katastrofe-su-24 /
    2. favn
      favn 27 November 2015 17: 09 New
      +3
      Purely in a neighborly and friendly manner in a quiet plane heaped up and like ...
    3. asar
      asar 27 November 2015 17: 24 New
      +2
      at least slightly ease the tension in relations between Russia and Turkey, as well as recall the friendship and good neighborliness of these two countries

      Not we strained our relationship to a state casus belli, until the attack on the Su-24, we constantly reminded of friendship and good neighborliness!
      Eh, fart, you offal bitch!
    4. rotor
      rotor 27 November 2015 19: 20 New
      +1
      Friends don't do that.
  • Vadim237
    Vadim237 27 November 2015 16: 06 New
    0
    If they block the straits our entire Black Sea Fleet will be in a trap - here we will need heavy ekranoplans and seaplanes.
    1. kuz363
      kuz363 27 November 2015 17: 34 New
      +4
      That is why they did not pay much attention to the Black Sea Fleet. Because they knew that the horse feed for the Black Sea puddles was not in the horse. Like the Baltic.
  • Vladimir71
    Vladimir71 27 November 2015 16: 06 New
    +2
    Mine all coastal neutral waters with Turkey, the entrance and exit to the strait make the Black Sea dead for Turkey ...
    1. kuz363
      kuz363 27 November 2015 17: 35 New
      0
      Some mine, others mine. What is the problem?
  • Aroma77
    Aroma77 27 November 2015 16: 07 New
    14
    Curiously, in the late 70s, Turkey stated that it was considering closing the passage through the Bosphorus to the Mediterranean for warships of the Soviet Union.

    To this statement, comrade Gromyko Andrei Andreevich (USSR Foreign Minister from 1957 to 1985) told American journalists at a cocktail party at the White House that a passage to the Mediterranean Black Sea Fleet of the USSR would require only a couple of volleys of missiles. As a result of this, in addition to the Bosphorus, two more passages will appear in the Mediterranean, but, alas, there will be no Istanbul. After these words, Turkey never again raised the issue of closing the Bosphorus to the warships of the USSR
  • viktor561
    viktor561 27 November 2015 16: 07 New
    +2
    If Erdogan will not lose anything - he will go to extreme measures - he is too ambitious and dreams of a new Ottoman Empire
    1. Oleg14774
      Oleg14774 27 November 2015 16: 13 New
      +2
      Quote: viktor561
      if Erdogan will not lose something, he will go to extreme measures

      He has something to lose, if there hadn’t been, then the war has already begun.
    2. Valentine
      Valentine 27 November 2015 20: 44 New
      +1
      Erdogan won the presidential elections in Turkey on the verge of a foul, and none of the Turkish authorities and the military will sign for his "pocket". Turkey in NATO is a kind of Gulyai-Polye, there are family clans. And Erdogan's past sins are higher than the roof so he's just bluffing
      playing with marked cards. All the blame, simply, will be blamed on the pilot, explaining to him popularly what for what, they can, for the benefit of the case, fictitiously condemn. And in the USA, i.e.
      there are no fools in NATO to arrange for this basmach
      nuclear apocalypse on earth.
  • bronik
    bronik 27 November 2015 16: 07 New
    +4
    As the hut orders, so Erdogan will do. For this, everything was played out.
  • chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 27 November 2015 16: 09 New
    -8
    Well, if the former chief of the general staff refers only to a contract a hundred years ago, then that means we can’t really prevent the overlap.
    If the Turks block it, Putin will speak up and say - these villains have violated the treaty, think again, let's be friends and abide by the treaties, and Laurels will say - you have crossed all borders, villains, think twice, we won’t leave it like that, and that’s all. The Turks in Syria hold the Kremlin by the balls and can do what they want, but they won’t be anything for it, and all of a sudden they suddenly understood.
    When the Kremlin started "little victorious" they were warned about it, the boys routinely dismissed it - the Turks would not dare, and if anything, we will decide everything in kind, these are our partners. And then the "partners treacherously" dared and the question was not resolved for some reason. But the boys are not discouraged, their fingers are bent, there is already a crackle, although there is still no exhaust, on the contrary, they drive more and more persistently under the bunk.
    1. 2s1122
      2s1122 27 November 2015 16: 39 New
      -2
      You know, as my acquaintance Sanya from nestol distant places says: “There is a chef with a right-hand carving for the cunning architect unas in the zone.” So we will not drive a wave, thank God, you are not in the government.
      1. chunga-changa
        chunga-changa 27 November 2015 17: 37 New
        +3
        I don’t know what your friend from Turma says, who loves strong male asses, this is his personal business, I don’t care about his opinion. Yours, however, too, if you, as an authority in international politics, refer to the opinion of a homosexual convict.
    2. Darkoff
      Darkoff 27 November 2015 19: 24 New
      +1
      When the Kremlin started "little victorious" they were warned about it, the boys routinely dismissed it - the Turks would not dare, and if anything, we will decide everything in kind, these are our partners

      In your opinion, it turns out that we should sit and wait for some fate that someone has prepared for us or our partners? Let me remind you that there is our military base. Do we need to wait for the liquidation of Assad and shamefully remove the manat from Tartus?
  • ALEA IACTA EST
    ALEA IACTA EST 27 November 2015 16: 10 New
    +6
    The Turks have a short memory ... Really do not remember how their freaks ended?
  • bad
    bad 27 November 2015 16: 11 New
    +4
    Quote: Denis Obukhov
    May Turkey not close the straits. He will apply any measures against us, but he will not close the straits.
    To close the straits means to admit that we are at war with us. But in war as in war.
    In this case, our hands will be untied for any actions.
    First of all, we cut off the gas completely. And this is 60% of the total gas consumption by Turkey.
    Turkish economy will collapse. This alone is enough.
    But we can block Turkey’s access to the Black Sea from one side.
    On the other hand, from the Mediterranean side, block the strait for all Turkish ships.
    Can't we use the straits? So the Turks will not be able to.
    We have another way in this case to continue supplying our base in Syria - through Gibraltar.
    Even these measures will be enough to force the Turks back down.
    And we will find other ways to annoy the Turks. They will not find it enough!
    ..bigalt from the British .. historically with the Turks they gouge in the gums .. they can and block .. recoursefrom time immemorial, they set and armed the Turks .. all this fuss is beneficial only to Britain ..
  • AlexTires
    AlexTires 27 November 2015 16: 11 New
    0
    there will be no arbitrary closure of the straits unless Erdogan floods the barges in the Dardanelles and makes the strait impassable without violating international law and the Montreux Treaty ...
    1. aleks 62 next
      aleks 62 next 27 November 2015 16: 34 New
      +4
      .... unless Erdogan floods the barges in the Dardanelles and makes the strait impassable without violating international law and the Montreux Treaty ...

      .... laughing .... Firstly, it is quite wide, well, also deep .... He does not have so many barges ... Google to help you .... laughing
  • over
    over 27 November 2015 16: 12 New
    +7
    Whatever it was. Both Russia and Turkey will suffer. Here we all laugh, what all over the ocean are all stupid. Well, stupid ... We quarreled with Ukraine and the EU. They quarreled with the Turks. Who is next? Iran? China? Well stupid ..
  • cap
    cap 27 November 2015 16: 12 New
    +2
    Simple hard workers who will suffer
    families need to be fed, they are up to oil ....
    It would be better if the journalists asked the doctors to the patient.
    Or poitsentu.Shorter to Potsu. laughing
  • Gunther
    Gunther 27 November 2015 16: 13 New
    +7
    sever.56 (1) Quote:
    It will be tantamount to declaring war

    Perhaps it was intended - a series of "stabs in the back":
    shot down a plane - waiting for a reaction, if there is no reaction, you can shoot down further.
    they wait - they close the Dardanelles and wait for the reaction.
    Check for "weak".
    A weak, as you know, beat.
    I hope that the plans of the wise men who started this "stab in the back" will stand them ... sideways.
    1. Valentine
      Valentine 27 November 2015 21: 18 New
      +4
      Guys, do not offend our headquarters analysts, they are sitting there, no match for us, sofa strategists, who are "weakly" checked, who are not. Crimea was not taken by Putin, namely
      these staff "clerks" with their analytical brains, to which Garry Casparoau, like to the moon with a sausage. The VP himself said that before embarking on the Syrian scenario, everything was thought out, provided for, to the smallest detail. there will be combat losses, as we thought, this is complete nonsense. There were and will be losses, only they need to be minimized ... It's a pity for the dead guys, but this is their job, and they themselves, consciously, chose it. And we chose Putin, which means believed him and entrusted him with their fate and the fate of all of Russia. So there is no need to run ahead of the steam locomotive, everything takes time, even to present justifications that the plane shot down by Turkey was in Syrian airspace, but not Turkey. it has been proved that our military are right, and we do not doubt it, then Erdogan will have to hold the answer. In any case, ALL EUROPE is against the war, unless only poor Ukraine. Now joint raids of our French, British planes against ISIS will begin, where is who they will be shot down again, not without it, but how however, when the end of this conflict will come.
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  • sergo1914
    sergo1914 27 November 2015 16: 16 New
    +6
    Quote: Aroma77
    Curiously, in the late 70s, Turkey stated that it was considering closing the passage through the Bosphorus to the Mediterranean for warships of the Soviet Union.

    To this statement, comrade Gromyko Andrei Andreevich (USSR Foreign Minister from 1957 to 1985) told American journalists at a cocktail party at the White House that a passage to the Mediterranean Black Sea Fleet of the USSR would require only a couple of volleys of missiles. As a result of this, in addition to the Bosphorus, two more passages will appear in the Mediterranean, but, alas, there will be no Istanbul. After these words, Turkey never again raised the issue of closing the Bosphorus to the warships of the USSR


    All right. The one who can destroy it really controls the resource.
  • lopvlad
    lopvlad 27 November 2015 16: 18 New
    +2
    We will be able to supply Turkey with cancer without straits.
  • 1536
    1536 27 November 2015 16: 18 New
    +2
    It is necessary to resolve issues as they arrive. Now on the agenda is an adequate response for the downed Su and the death of the pilot and the Marine. And, in my opinion, we give it. If the Turks become so frustrated that they manage to block the straits, hiding behind the "American umbrella," then the "answer" will have to be given directly to the United States, as the organizer and inspirer of the entire terrorist system.
    Now in no case can weaken our force in Syria and we must use all means for this. Otherwise, much more than ours may die. The lives of the Turks mean nothing to us and do not cost, so no matter how many they are killed now, everything will seem that little, little ...
    The best answer would be to destabilize the whole of Turkey, so that it would be discouraging and there would be no time to engage in "global politics" in the region. But it only depends on the Lord God!
  • marna
    marna 27 November 2015 16: 19 New
    +2
    Well, in that case, you probably have to block Turkey’s gas from Russia. In my opinion, about 60 percent. The gas she needs comes from Russia.
    1. jaroff
      jaroff 27 November 2015 17: 23 New
      +3
      The fact of the matter is that there is no technological opportunity to shut off the gas. There is a lot of gas, it must be put somewhere. Or into a pipe or storage. In the Russian Federation there is no such volume of storage facilities that would accommodate all the incoming gas in the event of a "shut-off valve". And there are few pipes, because it is no secret that in fact our small towns, villages, and villages are not supplied with gas. Gas flows past the hinterland, and it looks like Gazprom is not going to run a pipe into every house of a Russian citizen. This is about technological difficulties. As for the financial component of the consequences of the shutdown, there is nothing to say. The gas pipe oligarchs will never voluntarily give up their super profits.
    2. kuz363
      kuz363 27 November 2015 17: 39 New
      +1
      For starters, you can reduce the flow, explaining the urgent overhaul.
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 27 November 2015 16: 22 New
    +5
    We will solve any problem, not a question! There are funds for this ...
  • try
    try 27 November 2015 16: 23 New
    +7
    According to the Eurasian Economic Commission, Russian imports from Turkey in January - September 2015 amounted to $ 3,06 billion, exports - $ 15 billion.
    The largest articles of Turkish export are tomatoes, car components, citrus fruits, apricots, cherries, cherries, peaches, plums, women's textile clothes, grapes), cars, knitwear), leather shoes.
    In real terms, Russia imports from Turkey more than 360 thousand tons of tomatoes, 250 thousand tons of citrus fruits, more than 100 thousand tons of grapes, about 80 thousand tons of apricots, peaches and plums, 40 thousand tons of onions and garlic, 17 thousand tons cucumbers, as well as apples, pears, quinces, cabbage, dates, figs, avocados, peppers, rice, ginger, starch, seasonings and other plant products.
    The main supply of livestock products is poultry meat (20,7 thousand tons for nine months of this year against 9,4 thousand tons for the corresponding period last year), fresh fish (6,1 thousand tons against 9,4 thousand tons) frozen fish (1,4 thousand tons versus 1,3 thousand tons).
    In Russian exports, $ 2,8 billion is occupied by oil and oil products, $ 1,77 billion - scrap of ferrous metals, semi-finished products and rolled products from unalloyed steel, $ 835 million - copper and aluminum, $ 543 million - coal, $ 362 million - wheat, $ 324 million - sunflower oil , $ 163 million - fertilizers, $ 101 million - iron ore.
    HERE AND ANSWER HOW TO ENTER THE EMBARGO AND WHAT.
    Particularly surprising is the supply of ferrous scrap for 2 billion. And why do we have met plants that do not need scrap?
  • Sealek
    Sealek 27 November 2015 16: 28 New
    +6
    As far as I understand, the question on the Bosphorus is purely ecological: "How the expansion of the strait will affect the flora and fauna of the Black Sea."
  • Engineer
    Engineer 27 November 2015 16: 29 New
    0
    Oh, Stalin did not have time to capture the straits in World War II ...
    1. kuz363
      kuz363 27 November 2015 17: 42 New
      +2
      Yes, instead of liberating Europe, which could be given to the English and American, it was really necessary to capture the straits. All the same, Europe profiled. And with less blood. There would be a Turkish Autonomous Region. True, there are no guarantees that it would be pumped in 1991 with the collapse of the USSR
  • KBR109
    KBR109 27 November 2015 16: 31 New
    +4
    If in response to Syria only a couple of turbojets will be shot down - there will be no war. NATO will stand modestly on the sidelines. Actually, the Basurman Air Force in the region of the border with Syria is already at the airfields by decree of Erdogan. There will be no military development of the situation.
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 27 November 2015 16: 32 New
    +6
    Turkey has all major trading ports located on the Black Sea. When the strait is closed, they themselves will not be able to use them, we will not give. Turkey has a fleet larger than ours, but it is on two seas, it is necessary to take into account the Black Sea. Plus of our coastal capabilities, aviation + coastal complexes will be enough for the shooting of almost the entire Black Sea. So shutting down the strait is unlikely to bring Turkey benefit. I am already silent about air defense zones in Armenia and Syria
  • potterz
    potterz 27 November 2015 16: 32 New
    +5
    One thing I can say: nothing Turkov, history does not teach!
  • 16112014nk
    16112014nk 27 November 2015 16: 33 New
    +5
    Quote: Vita VKO
    Sorry for the rest of the people of Turkey,

    "The rest of the people" at Erdogan's last press conference applauded him. I like the rest of the drum.
  • 1536
    1536 27 November 2015 16: 35 New
    +3
    After such "resounding voices", large-scale exercises of fleets and military formations are arranged. This means that large-scale exercises of the Black Sea Fleet should take place on the Black Sea with firing, landing, etc. military attributes. I think so! And these exercises must be carried out in any case - we have a lot of ships, you never know, they are large or small. To carry the atomic bomb to Turkey, it is probably enough to have a deck helicopter or a diesel submarine. The main thing is to show the possibilities. Whether applicable or not, let them have a headache.
  • try
    try 27 November 2015 16: 42 New
    +1
    "Warfare is based on deception. Therefore, when we are able to attack, we must look as if we are not capable, and when we use forces, we must look inactive; when we are near, we must make the enemy believe that we are far away, when we are far away, then we must make him believe that we are close. " - Art of War. Sun Tzu
    I would very much like our supreme leaders to know and understand this, not to engage in one bluff, and then be "extremely concerned".
  • Vovanya
    Vovanya 27 November 2015 16: 44 New
    +6
    The ancient Ukrainians are to blame for everything - they dug up the sea, but didn’t think about the straits, aren't they stupid?))
  • Prisoner
    Prisoner 27 November 2015 16: 48 New
    +1
    Let the fence be built dEbily!
  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 27 November 2015 16: 52 New
    +1
    There are 15 million people in Istanbul, one fifth of the total population of Turkey. Is Erdogan at risk?
  • wicked pinnochio
    wicked pinnochio 27 November 2015 16: 55 New
    +1
    close and we will remind you of Nakhimov and Ushakov well and add Suvorov
  • mikh-korsakov
    mikh-korsakov 27 November 2015 16: 55 New
    +2
    I read the article, but did not understand from it why Turkey is still unable to close the straits? A reference to some kind of international obligations at the kindergarten level. To whom, when international rules prevented, to do something, if it can be done without unacceptable consequences for oneself. The commentators' proposals are not serious, because they offer only one step - military retaliation against Turkey, but few write about what will follow. It seems to me that even neither our leadership nor the leadership of the adversary knows this. Therefore, I think that the closure of the straits is real. I don’t know how we can really answer. It is technically possible to supply aviation through Iran and Iraq, but it is expensive and unsafe if our "friends and partners" arrange for an "unintentional" seizure of modern air defense systems by terrorists. Therefore, the question on the forum remained open. I also don't know how to answer us. Apparently, the straits are Erdogan's trump card in the negotiations.
  • kuz363
    kuz363 27 November 2015 17: 00 New
    +1
    "At the same time, Turkey has legal grounds for closing the straits both in the event of a war and in the event that it considers itself to be threatened by war." Minus the Chief of the Main Staff of the Russian Navy Viktor Kravchenko. He apparently did not read this convention. Who can prevent Turkey from considering that Russia is threatening? All the more so if a Turkish plane is shot down by accident.
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 27 November 2015 17: 00 New
    16
    Eternal memory ... The best die! hi
    1. Zheka40
      Zheka40 27 November 2015 23: 22 New
      +1
      Eternal memory! Eternal GLORY !!!
  • pofigisst74
    pofigisst74 27 November 2015 17: 08 New
    +2
    The Convention provides for the closure of straits in the event of war by third parties, even if Turkey itself is not involved. But what if they close the strait with the filing of ukrov? Ukrainians then believe that we are at war with them? They will take and write a cart to the UN, and there the Amer’s accomplices will support, there is no doubt! But ukram doesn’t care if they are open or not.
  • avva2012
    avva2012 27 November 2015 17: 18 New
    +1
    “The leadership of the Russian Federation decided to suspend the visa-free regime that is currently operating between Russia and the Republic of Turkey. This decision will come into force on January 1 next year, ”Lavrov said at a news conference following talks with his Syrian counterpart Valid Muallem.
    Everything is still quiet, no one does anything for the downed SU?