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The President of Russia congratulated the creators of the newest PD-14 aviation engine

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Russian President Vladimir Putin congratulated the creators of the latest Russian PD-14 engine, designed for the entire Russian line aviation, including the new aircraft MS-21. The president expressed his gratitude both during the visit to the enterprise and at the meeting of the State Council in Nizhny Tagil:


I want to congratulate the general designer and all your colleagues, the creative team with an unconditional victory for almost thirty years history our engine building. Such an event that we have today was not 29 years old.


The President of Russia congratulated the creators of the newest PD-14 aviation engine


It is noted that the engine PD-14 - fully domestic development. A whole group of Russian research institutes, laboratories, engine-building enterprises worked on its creation.

Press office Rostec Reports that they have directly participated in the development of the newest Russian aviation engine:
PMZ, Aviadvigatel, STAR (Perm), Ufa Engine-Building Production Association (UMPO), NPO Saturn (Rybinsk), FGUP NPTsG Salyut (Moscow), Metalist-Samara and others.

UMPO developed a motor case made of titanium alloy and a high pressure compressor rotor. In FSUE NPTsG "Salute" developed the central drive.

From the Rostec presentation material:
The PD-14 engine is a domestic turbojet dual-engine twin-shaft engine of a new generation, designed for short-range, medium-haul aircraft. The main feature of PD-14 is the use of a unified compact gas generator, which allows you to create a whole family of aircraft engines and industrial gas turbines.


Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin reports that flight tests are now being conducted.
Photos used:
http://rostec.ru
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  1. Firstvanguard
    Firstvanguard 27 November 2015 13: 30 New
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    Good news. They have been waiting for a long time.
    1. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 27 November 2015 13: 33 New
      18
      Video to the news
      1. Sasha 19871987
        Sasha 19871987 27 November 2015 13: 37 New
        24
        amid all this vomit and tons of corpses, the very good news is already tired of the smell of stench from the news
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        2. Al_oriso
          Al_oriso 27 November 2015 14: 07 New
          +4
          We still have to wait for the test results for the news to become really good.
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          2. gjv
            gjv 27 November 2015 15: 00 New
            +5
            Quote: Al_oriso
            We still have to wait for the test results for the news to become really good.

            Status of design and development work of Project PD-14
            The stage of the technical project is completed. Positive conclusions were received.
            Work has been launched with Irkut Corporation on the integration of the engine and aircraft.
            A large volume of tests of experimental units and engine systems at special facilities has been performed.
            The demonstration engine of the base engine project was designed to confirm the operability of PD-14 nodes.
            The first stage of development tests of the gas generator is completed.
            By manufacturing and testing a technology demonstrator engine, critical technology readiness has been confirmed.
            Tests of MG assemblies from PCM on the prototype engine were carried out.
            The working design documentation for PD-14 engines and engine nacelles of the experimental batch was issued.
            Production cooperation has been formed for the manufacture of an experimental batch of engines and nacelles; production of an experimental batch of engines and nacelles has begun.
            The test program for demonstrator engines 100-03 and 100-04 was completed, and the need to implement the selected design solutions was confirmed.
            An application has been submitted to the IAC AR for a certificate of engine type.
            A certification basis PD-14 was developed, covering the requirements of the IAC AR, EASA, FAA.
            A mock commission for the PD-14 engine was held and the protocol of the MK AR IAC was approved.
            A mock commission for the MS-21 aircraft with the PD-14 propulsion system was conducted and the protocol of the MK AR MAK was approved.
            Production preparation has been completed and the VI level of technological readiness is provided in the manufacture of an experimental batch of PD-14 engines.
            The flying laboratory is being prepared for flight tests of the PD-14 engine.

            IL-76LL (On-board: 76529; Serial: 073410308) LII Gromova, Zhukovsky (Ramenskoye) (UUBW) November 3, 2015. The third test flight with the PD-14 engine. Alexey Karpulev (c)
        3. Samaritan
          Samaritan 27 November 2015 15: 45 New
          +3
          To cheer up, achievements over the past week:
      2. aktanir
        aktanir 27 November 2015 14: 12 New
        +6
        now we would have done the engine for the t-50 and it would have been absolutely all in the openwork, otherwise it’s only delayed
      3. 70BSN
        70BSN 27 November 2015 14: 29 New
        +1
        That is not to pay attention to the fact that in the city of Yekaterinburg the local authorities do nothing !!!! Mud frozen in blocks of ice on the roads. Sidewalks just like a skating rink have not really cleared them for a long time. This I indicated one of the problems that does not need to be proved, but just look and walk along the street !!!
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        2. gjv
          gjv 27 November 2015 14: 51 New
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          Quote: 70BSN
          That is not to pay attention to the fact that in the city of Yekaterinburg the local authorities do nothing !!!!

          Dismiss the jack of all trades - politician, poet, writer, entrepreneur, athlete, collector, drug fighter - Roizman E.V.
          Choose an economist.
          1. 70BSN
            70BSN 27 November 2015 15: 24 New
            -6
            So you think that if we replace them all and everything will change right away? And then VV Putin does not need to pay his attention further !!!
          2. Pilat2009
            Pilat2009 27 November 2015 16: 15 New
            +1
            Quote: gjv
            Dismiss the jack of all trades - politician, poet, writer, entrepreneur, athlete, collector, drug fighter - Roizman E.V.

            Practice shows that nothing changes from the permutation. By the way, the mayor is a rather nominal figure - how much money will be given to him, so much he will spend. It’s probably not worth saying that they don’t clean anything at all, at least it was passable on the main roads a day after the snowfall, Yes, and on the day of snowfall in some places it was cleaned
        3. chunga-changa
          chunga-changa 27 November 2015 15: 02 New
          +7
          The people in Yekaterinburg chose the local authority, all sorts of Royzman, and the company of his friends. What can be claims to Putin that chose what they chose?
          1. 70BSN
            70BSN 27 November 2015 15: 27 New
            -9
            What kind of stupidity write ??? You yourself all know how the elections go !!!! And something will change if others come ????
            1. AID.S
              AID.S 27 November 2015 21: 29 New
              +3
              That is, Putin is to blame for having elected Roizman? That's exactly how the Ukrainians chose their future as Petya, and Vova is again to blame ...
        4. Archon
          Archon 27 November 2015 16: 12 New
          +4
          This mayor is to blame. Complain not in the forum, but in more formal places. Otherwise, it will continue.
        5. VP
          VP 27 November 2015 18: 16 New
          +3
          For you, there was a difference in which topic to post?
          Why were you attracted to your boulders by this one and not some neighboring one?
    2. 79807420129
      79807420129 27 November 2015 13: 33 New
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      We have been waiting for this for a long time, for a long time. Well done, we can when we want.
      1. Alexey Boukin
        Alexey Boukin 27 November 2015 14: 07 New
        +3
        Quote: 79807420129
        We have been waiting for this for a long time, for a long time. Well done, because we can when we want

        Можем, можем... Да и "санкции" нам в помощь!
    3. Wild_grey_wolf
      Wild_grey_wolf 27 November 2015 13: 46 New
      12
      Advances are being made with aircraft engines, now there would be good news about the engine of the 2nd stage for the PAK FA. . .
    4. vodolaz
      vodolaz 27 November 2015 13: 50 New
      +5
      That's right, it is also necessary in civil aviation to cease to depend on external manufacturers. And then sanctions against our airlines have already been introduced.
    5. Baloo
      Baloo 27 November 2015 13: 53 New
      +8
      Respect to the creators, good luck in the future. drinks
    6. marlin1203
      marlin1203 27 November 2015 14: 05 New
      +4
      Lively engineering. Thank God! good
      1. MIKHAN
        MIKHAN 27 November 2015 14: 20 New
        +3
        It’s nice to read such articles (especially on Friday) Tagil steers, keep it up guys .. Thank you! hi
        1. alllll
          alllll 27 November 2015 15: 14 New
          0
          And here Tagil? This is a Perm engine designed and manufactured in Perm.
          1. a71
            a71 27 November 2015 20: 50 New
            0
            What is not clear? The engine was created in Perm, and Tagil rules.
            1. alllll
              alllll 27 November 2015 22: 32 New
              -3
              I have been to Nizhny Tagil, trash, not a city. A kind of modern city-factory with ascribed peasants-laborers who are paid wages just not to die and not save up money to move.
    7. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov 27 November 2015 15: 04 New
      +3
      Our people work. Do not whine. They don’t rumble. Do not fight in the epilepsy. And just every day they work and do business - and get the result. I've seen this two times in the last three years. How our people raised effective modern production from scratch. At first, few believed. Then there were goosebumps from what turned out well. Then there was champagne. Now everything works and makes money. Thanks to the hard workers.
    8. Samaritan
      Samaritan 27 November 2015 15: 05 New
      +2
      That's what we need, like air ...
      and on the MS-21 (200,300,400) and IL-214 (if any) and on the IL-96 and TU-214 (PD 18), PD-10 SaM146 if something replaces ...
      shorter pah, pah, pah and God grant good luck!
      "Сегодня ОДК ведет сборку уже девятого двигателя ПД-14», — сказал Богинский в ходе авиавыставки Dubai Airshow-2015.
      According to the deputy minister, bench tests showed that "even on the first experimental engines, the parameters that are fixed are very close to the calculations."
      “In the future, we will work to bring this engine to the requirements of the technical specifications,” the source said.
      1. Kasym
        Kasym 27 November 2015 15: 59 New
        0
        As I understand it, NK-93 will not be? Who can clarify? hi
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        2. gjv
          gjv 27 November 2015 18: 02 New
          +2
          Quote: Kasym
          NK-93 will not be?

          Пермяки смогли в 1992 году сертифицировать ПС-90, а самарцы, даже в кооперации с казанцами и ступинцами не смогли в 1993 закончить подготовку к сертификации. А затем и выпуск конкурентоспособного количества российских самолетов затёрли "эффективные" менеджеры. Соответственно в отсутствии финансирования Кузнецовцы протрепыхались ещё несколько лет и в 2004 году закрыли программу по НК-93. Сейчас выпускается несколько штук в год НК-38СТ - вариант для наземной эксплуатации в газоперекачивающих агрегатах типа "Волга".
          1. Kasym
            Kasym 27 November 2015 18: 42 New
            0
            gjv, thanks! hi
        3. ziama
          ziama 27 November 2015 21: 18 New
          0
          As far as I know, it has been procrastinated for 5 years, no less. Since during this time they did not even collect the installation lot, then you can no longer wait. And by the way, until in our country the production of wide-body aircraft is adjusted (and this is not expected), it simply has nowhere to put it.
          Most likely in a couple of years we will see copies of him and doubles somewhere in China or France, they have long been interested in him.
  2. Sorokin
    Sorokin 27 November 2015 13: 32 New
    16
    Great respect to Mr. Inozemtsev and the whole ICD ..
  3. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 27 November 2015 13: 33 New
    12
    It pleases indescribably. This engine is much suitable, and especially on the modernized IL-96, on transporters, on the MS-21. A good line of engines - good aircraft.
  4. djqnbdjqnb
    djqnbdjqnb 27 November 2015 13: 33 New
    +7
    Now, in the sense of engines, we are not dependent on the West! That would be the same with the rest of import substitution!
  5. Laksamana besar
    Laksamana besar 27 November 2015 13: 33 New
    11
    Well, finally your engine.
    Ещё одна приятность, арктические "терминаторы" поступили на вооружение Минобороны:
  6. Taranchello
    Taranchello 27 November 2015 13: 34 New
    +3
    Well done !!! And now quickly finish the second stage engine for PAK FA ...
  7. Zomanus
    Zomanus 27 November 2015 13: 34 New
    +4
    Народ, а что значит "двухвальный"?
    Well, purely on the fingers ...
    Well, the news is good, yes.
    We would still have a small aviation engine, all-fuel.
    1. engineer74
      engineer74 27 November 2015 13: 40 New
      11
      Quote: Zomanus
      Народ, а что значит "двухвальный"?
      Well, purely on the fingers ...
      Well, the news is good, yes.
      We would still have a small aviation engine, all-fuel.

      Twin-shaft is when the compressor and turbine are on different shafts and have different rotational speeds (the shafts are aligned, if anything). hi
      PS Interestingly, the prize for congratulations attached? (selfish interest) what
      1. Sorokin
        Sorokin 27 November 2015 13: 47 New
        +5
        Actually, yes, starting with the General Designer and then on his recommendation.
      2. 33 Watcher
        33 Watcher 27 November 2015 14: 33 New
        +2
        Did you participate in the development? Well, since the interest is selfish ... laughing If yes, then I think there will be a bonus to you fellow
        1. engineer74
          engineer74 27 November 2015 15: 01 New
          +6
          Quote: Observer 33
          Did you participate in the development? Well, since the interest is selfish ... laughing If yes, then I think there will be a bonus to you fellow

          We fly lower - we embody unearthly beauty design ideas in the mortal iron!winked
    2. Engineer
      Engineer 27 November 2015 13: 45 New
      +3
      in the simplest single-shaft engines, both the compressor and the turbine are on the same shaft and therefore the rotation is the same or through a gearbox, i.e. there is a mechanical connection, on two-shaft and multi-shaft they are not mechanically connected, i.e. there are several shafts, and the moment is transmitted gasdynamically.
      PS: already answered)
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      2. VIT101
        VIT101 27 November 2015 15: 05 New
        +1
        What is the gas-dynamic connection between the compressor and the turbine? You do not understand the principle of the gas turbine engine. The turbine cannot be on a separate shaft from the compressor, because it drives the compressor in rotation.
        The twin-shaft engine consists of two rotors: high and low pressure. Accordingly, the compressor and turbine also consist of two parts, rigidly connected by shafts, passing one inside the other. There is a gas-dynamic connection between these rotors.
        1. chunga-changa
          chunga-changa 27 November 2015 15: 19 New
          0
          Thanks, now it’s clear.
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        3. gjv
          gjv 27 November 2015 18: 49 New
          +1
          Quote: VIT101
          The twin-shaft engine consists of two rotors: high and low pressure. Accordingly, the compressor and turbine also consist of two parts, rigidly connected by shafts, passing one inside the other.

          Low pressure compressor (LPC) - low pressure rotor shaft (inside the VD rotor shaft) - low pressure turbine - nozzle.
          The high-pressure compressor (behind the low pressure switch) - the high-pressure rotor shaft (outside the low-pressure rotor shaft) - the combustion chamber - the high-pressure turbine (in front of the low pressure pump).
        4. Simple
          Simple 27 November 2015 21: 42 New
          0
          Quote: VIT101
          There is a gas-dynamic connection between these rotors.



          You did not understand Engineer, or didn’t want to understand him?

          He correctly explained everything, but you also.
          Besides:

          Quote: VIT101
          The twin-shaft engine consists of two rotors: high and low pressure.


          It will be more correct:

          The twin-shaft engine consists of two rotors: a low-pressure turbine rotor and a high-pressure turbine rotor
          1. VIT101
            VIT101 30 November 2015 22: 59 New
            +1
            I quote the engineer:
            those. there is a mechanical connection, on two-shaft and multi-shaft they are not mechanically connected, i.e. there are several shafts, and the moment is transmitted gasdynamically.
            Apparently, you have not read to the end.

            Now you:
            It will be more correct:

            The twin-shaft engine consists of two rotors: a low-pressure turbine rotor and a high-pressure turbine rotor

            For turbofan engines, like all turbofan engines, there is the concept of an engine rotor, not a turbine.
  8. Engineer
    Engineer 27 November 2015 13: 34 New
    +2
    A good engine, quite at the level of the best Western standards, which, given such a huge failure in the development of our engine after the collapse of the Union, is especially pleasing. There will be a whole family of engines of different thrust for the IL-96 and IL-76, and as a crown - a gear motor. Well done!
    1. gjv
      gjv 27 November 2015 14: 00 New
      +3
      Quote: Engineer
      Good engine, quite at the best western standards

    2. gjv
      gjv 27 November 2015 14: 36 New
      +3
      Quote: Engineer
      quite at the level of the best western designs

      PD engines on the basis of a unified gas generator - a family of domestic turbojet dual-circuit twin-shaft engines with an effective noise suppression system designed for short-, medium-haul aircraft and industrial gas turbines.
      Main feature family of PD engines - the use of a unified compact gas generator and a relatively lightweight fanless fan.
      Key core technologies: hollow wide-chord titanium blades, monowheels (blisk) and a welded section in the rotor of a high-pressure compressor, a low-emission intermetallic alloy combustion chamber, single-crystal high-pressure turbine blades with a promising cooling system, ceramic coatings on the parts of the hot part, hollow low-pressure turbine blades, composite nacelle.
      1. gridasov
        gridasov 27 November 2015 14: 43 New
        0
        Production technology is the 21st century, but here are the fundamentals of the technology of physical processes — centuries 19. Engineers, like soldiers, will do what physicists say, but physicists will not. They make discoveries in outer space, which cannot be refuted, but there have been no real fundamental discoveries in applied meaning for about fifty years. Therefore, I repeat in the conclusion that the engine at the heart of the use of technology to organize physical processes in it is old as light. But he is new in the technology of its creation.
        1. Sharky
          Sharky 27 November 2015 15: 07 New
          +2
          Here's a recent fundamental discovery: the Higgs boson is open. And soon the notorious Graviton will open. Then it will be possible to think about control / change of gravity. Engine appropriate to develop ...
          1. gridasov
            gridasov 27 November 2015 15: 11 New
            0
            Ага! Уже сейчас существует около десятка таких "основосоставляющих кирпичиков мироздания", а должен-то быть один. А если и его нет?.
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            2. gjv
              gjv 27 November 2015 15: 23 New
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              Quote: gridasov
              but there must be one

              One brick ?! Seven flies - maybe. Two birds with one stone - is unlikely. Open the brick standard. There and types of bricks - a lot of cloud. Versatility is unlikely. Always dualism. Otherwise, there would also be options - either a solid monolith, or everything scatters in different directions with unimaginable speed. And no effective interaction, solid physics. hi Cons are not mine.
              1. gridasov
                gridasov 27 November 2015 17: 19 New
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                Во-первых минусовщики это уже признак. Кода нет аргументов , то остается банальное отрицание -просто нет и не может быть. И БОГ с ними! Вы очень точно отметили , что в нашей современной логике доминирует дуализм- либо- либо. Но оказывается анализ построенные на "комплексе совмещенной вариантности" показывает , что люба ситуация или событие можно поставить в диспозицию анализа со всех возможных сторон. Мы как люди пытаемся разгадать тайны ЧИСЕЛ , но не пытаемся понять , как можно описать пространство и события в нем, подчиняя этим ЧИСЛАМ. "Человек подобен ослу с подвязанной перед носом морковкой , которые бредет по полю свежей травы ". Мы верим в сказки придуманные другими и не утруждаем себя открыть мир собственным восприятием. Я бы мог привести пример , который покажет , что гидрогазодинамический поток может быть одновременно в двух критически разных состояниях т.е состоянии максимальной продольной скорости и нулевой. Соедините конус с центром вращающегося диска. А теперь посмотрите на любую турбину .Где входит поток и куда он выходит? Это надо быть просто слепым , чтобы не видеть, что есть как и почему. Поэтому ни одна современная турбина не является ни эффективной , ни перспективной
                1. gjv
                  gjv 27 November 2015 17: 45 New
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                  Quote: gridasov
                  Connect the cone to the center of the rotating disc.

                  So this is radial movement. The longitudinal flow is in two critical states, probably in a plasma engine. However, a sufficiently powerful plasma flow in the air is still fantastic. Another thing is in space, but there the gravitational interaction is different than in the Earth’s atmosphere and there is no friction of the aircraft with the air.
                  1. gridasov
                    gridasov 27 November 2015 17: 55 New
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                    You are too lazy to think !!! The flow non-stop changes the plane of motion. It remains to make the following process algorithm. Think !!! NOT direct-flow flows have potential, but spin flows. Turn over the water bottle and try to drink from it. Any drunk knows that to drink quickly from a bottle, you need to untwist its contents. Before a brilliant discovery, you are in an instant. Moreover, if you call it radial, then excuse me it is not. open the rotor of any vacuum cleaner and see what is the flow path. It is not radial at all. She has a complex trajectory obeying non-algebraic calculations
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                    2. gjv
                      gjv 27 November 2015 18: 11 New
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                      Quote: gridasov
                      Before a brilliant discovery, you are in an instant

                      Are you kidding me ?! Isn't Coriolis’s power to get drunks to empty their bottles? And does it not change the plane of the flow?
                      1. gridasov
                        gridasov 27 November 2015 18: 21 New
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                        And I thought you were joking? Remember that any hydro-gas-dynamic flow is also a substance. Therefore, it is worth recalling the kinetic energy of this stream and its potential energy. That's where the super-unit effect and fuel-free engines come from.
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                      3. gjv
                        gjv 27 November 2015 19: 36 New
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                        Quote: gridasov
                        any hydro-gas-dynamic flow is also a substance. Therefore, it is worth recalling the kinetic energy of this stream and its potential energy. That's where the super-unit effect and fuel-free engines come from.

                        Атмосфера неоднородна, а летать нужно на разной высоте и при этом ещё и разных давлениях. А где эффективные механизмы достаточно быстрого регулирования режима компрессора? Да ещё и источники первичного потока всё же требуют внешнего привода или достаточного запаса в ресивере. Возить по воздуху воздух или топливо для "безтопливного" компрессора - это действительно эффетивно?! Очень сомневаюсь что прирост работы будет более 40%. А эти 40% по видимому и будут съедены топливом или ресивером. А ещё не забывайте об обледенении. Где система обогрева и как будет работать такой компрессор в условиях обогрева?! А без обогрева клапана быстро залипнут и - "кирдык"!
                      4. gridasov
                        gridasov 27 November 2015 20: 12 New
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                        First, you immediately draw premature conclusions. I told you, only part of the algorithms of the entire process from the organization of the input stream and its output. Therefore, the main solution is that it allows you to get away from the proportionality of dependence during the process, when destructive phenomena appear at the tips of the blades from an increase in the radius and speed of rotation. Increasing the speed of rotation by reducing the radius or vice versa allows you to achieve the optimal mass dimensions of such engines, but to optimize by an order of magnitude relatively modern. But the main thing is that the rotation speed becomes unlimited in any mode of changing environmental conditions. You need to understand that the task is to ensure the turbine's performance, which means it should work both as a suction and as a reactive waste mass. And this ratio should easily be controllable, since the output flows can be concentrated in all directions of space. In general, everything is much simpler, more solid, etc.
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                      6. gjv
                        gjv 27 November 2015 20: 59 New
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                        Quote: gridasov
                        In general, everything is much simpler.

                        Nothing understood in your simplification. Sounds like back to the fuel engine? recourse So, after all, the PD-14 is so double-circuit without mixing the flows, but the masses of the flows in it join. He has a correspondingly large fan, and the turbines are quite small. However, how will they rotate and adjust with unlimited speed and in isolation from the fan? request
                        It may be the addition of another flow, direct-flow to the afterburner. Then where is the fuellessness ?! request Nothing understood, apparently quite stupid.
          2. gjv
            gjv 27 November 2015 17: 45 New
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            Quote: gridasov
            Connect the cone to the center of the rotating disc.

            So this is radial movement. The longitudinal flow is in two critical states, probably in a plasma engine. However, a sufficiently powerful plasma flow in the air is still fantastic. Another thing is in space, but there the gravitational interaction is different than in the Earth’s atmosphere and there is no friction of the aircraft with the air.
            1. gridasov
              gridasov 27 November 2015 18: 18 New
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              You speak correctly! BUT after all, plasma is never by itself. Plasma connects one potential state with another. It is always an intermediate state. This state and plasma properties are identical to the motion of a hydro-gas-dynamic flow. People learned this only now from the experiments of astronauts, but this has been theoretically proved long ago. Therefore, in space, the function of the elastic resistance of the medium is not used. and the function of the same medium, but in a closed loop, uses its ionizing ability to polarize the surfaces of the outlet.
              And do not make me and you laugh. Friction, as such, is a concept for amateurs. Friction is the processes of polarization of the surface of the outflow by a dynamic flow of a medium. And this process has its own geometric parameters and dimensionality and level of critical states of polarization.
          3. Sharky
            Sharky 27 November 2015 21: 27 New
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            The downside was not mine. It is not worth denying that by means of numbers we describe our World, using them as a kind of template or unit of measurement. After all, the World around us needs to be measured with something ... They came up with numbers. That would be easier to describe it (World). Plus this is a kind of standardization. You can even measure the length in parrots, but the number 1 is assigned to one parrot. It just so happened. And all the exact sciences are tied to numbers. Because it is logical, because all the laws of nature obey logic ... And if you can describe any physical phenomenon without the help of formulas, and so on by eye ... Then you can’t build any turbine, especially with high efficiency . Efficiency is efficiency, and it is just calculated using formulas and numbers.
            1. gridasov
              gridasov 27 November 2015 21: 37 New
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              The fact . that I’m not talking about mathematical technologies that should replace existing calculation methods. I am talking about mathematical analysis that allows you to work with big data. What does it mean? The fact that the same turbine is undoubtedly calculated by the mass-dimensional parameters, but here the energy processes are no longer calculated, but are analyzed based on a whole complex of highly dynamic processes. Therefore, one is not replaced or mixed with the other, but is consistent in interactions. And besides, people came up with symbols and signs, but the essence of the number is the foundation of our world.
      2. Cat man null
        Cat man null 27 November 2015 22: 49 New
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        Quote: gridasov
        but there must be one

        Это с какого, звиняйте, перепугу - один? Даже человечество из двух "кирпичиков" построено (мальчиков и девочек, чтоб понятнее было), а тут - Мироздание..

        Это, может, и вовсе пазл такой большой, с ьесконечным количеством "кирпичиков" wink
        1. gridasov
          gridasov 27 November 2015 23: 06 New
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          You see, there is a MONOPOL, but its existence cannot exist without a second magnetic flux of the same, but directly opposite. And then multipolarization develops in accordance with the natural series of numbers. That is, three polarizations, etc. Therefore, the material world is the structure of the space of fractal, i.e. radial interactions. To search for the smallest particle of the universe means to limit ourselves to the possibility of perceiving what we are physically unable to do. But such a foundation is needed because support is needed to build all other interactions in space. Therefore, I did not understand what surprises you?
    3. avt
      avt 27 November 2015 19: 05 New
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      Quote: Sharky
      Here's a recent fundamental discovery: the Higgs boson is open.

      ,,Бозон от Хигса" - порожняк для ушей лохов , которым в СМИ гремят . Вся эта эпопея с ,,колайдером" имела вполне себе конкретную цель под достижение которой и развели на бабки физики буржуинов - получение ,,антиматерии". Отсюда и все эти страхи про то что ка-а-ак запустят ,,адронный колайдер", так прям Земля спалится в реакции на ноль с образованием черной дыры.Ну в итоге удовлетворили свое любопытство по части разбития частиц друг о друга с фиксированием осколков - не более того.
      1. Sharky
        Sharky 27 November 2015 21: 44 New
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        Всё-таки бозон Хиггса пишется с двумя "г". Его открытие достаточно важно для науки. Так же как было важно открытие электрона или нейтрона в своё время. Не буду вам описывать всю значимость этого открытия, просто пройдите по ссылочке и гляньте сами:
        http://postnauka.ru/video/3355
  9. Simple
    Simple 27 November 2015 22: 20 New
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    Quote: gridasov
    But he is new in the technology of his creation


    I don’t think that technologies that are not currently used by Rolls-Royce, General Elektric, or MTU will be involved in the technological chain of its creation.

    For example:

    https://www.maschinewerkzeug.de/business-karriere/uebersicht/artikel/formvollend
    er-aus-aachen-1254585.html? survey_1254585.current-step = 1 & article.page = 2
    1. gridasov
      gridasov 27 November 2015 22: 43 New
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      Of course. The metalworking processes are the same for everyone. The only difference may be that in combinations of combinations of different materials, and everything else is absolutely identical for everyone. By the way, we see the prospects of creating materials with unique properties and fundamentally new materials in general, since we analyze the situation when both solid material in the ionization flux of its surface is subject to transformation by various gases and liquids, and the change in the structure of these solid materials is subject to an extremely strong crystalline structure magnetic influence through the currents passing through them. In addition, unidirectional, not variable direction. And what is very important, the possibility of creating such a dynamic flux density is obvious that it creates conditions close to space, and in some way even those that cannot be created in space, but necessary for deep structuring of the crystal structure of the material throughout the volume. Therefore, none of these companies are capable of providing such processes; I can say this for sure.
      1. Simple
        Simple 27 November 2015 23: 17 New
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        Growing a single-crystal structure of a turbine engine blade (if you are talking about this method) is not news.

        But the cultivation of any part by selective laser spraying accurate to microns with the required surface cleanliness and so that the part consisted of a multilayer structure of various materials (each with the required characteristics) - so far no one has come to this.
        1. gridasov
          gridasov 27 November 2015 23: 28 New
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          Нет, нет я совершенно не об этих технологиях . Названные Вами технологии я бы назвал- пассивными и в них невозможно применить сверх сильное влияние магнитных силовых потоков. Тем более потоков различных по "качеству" их источников. Лазерное напыление уже ближе , но так же не способно создать сплошную пленку материала на внешней поверхности . Но это можно сделать исключительно сверхдинамическим истечением гидро газо динамического потока. Тем более , что обрабатывая лазером точка на одной стороне например лопатки создает противоположную поляризацию в другой точке. И это не сложно определить теоретически. Я же говорю о поляризации все поверхности и одновременно . Т.е объект подвержен радиальному влиянию одновременно на всей поверхности и поляризация образуется не линейна я радиальная. Это так же как кавитация . Она может быть поверхностная и разрушительная , но может быть единовременная по всему объему потока , тогда она уникальна в своем применении.
          1. Simple
            Simple 27 November 2015 23: 40 New
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            Hm. The first thought of a principle like in electroplating.

            But in electroplating the geometric structure of the arrangement of atoms does not change.
            .

            An attempt to obtain the required structure at the atomic level is possible (in my opinion) only if

            amorphous state of the material and with the influence of magnetic or other flows.

            It takes a lot of energy (until the material in the process of solidification has not turned into an allotropic form, in which further exposure is useless).
            1. Cat man null
              Cat man null 27 November 2015 23: 59 New
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              Quote: Simple
              An attempt to obtain the required structure at the atomic level is possible (in my opinion) only with the amorphous state of the material

              The amorphous state of the material is characterized by the absence of any regular structure. I’m telling you as a metallurgical physicist (formerly true) yes

              Quote: Simple
              It takes a lot of energy (until the material in the process of solidification has not turned into an allotropic form, in which further exposure is useless)

              Allotropy - the existence of two or more simple substances of the same chemical. element, different in structure and properties. An example is carbon: diamond and graphite.

              Что такое "аллотропичесий вид" материала - науке доселе неизвестно.

              PS: Campaign, Gridasov-2 drew. He also speaks a lot, convinced and extremely slurred and illiterate at the same time.

              Clowns .. request
              1. gridasov
                gridasov 28 November 2015 00: 11 New
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                Моя неграмотность это проявление особого уважения к вам подобным. Я не на экзамене по русскому языку. Ловите идею и смысл содержательности беседы. А чем более вы будете меня "опускать" , тем более свободнее мои рассуждения. Но вам этого не понять . А вообще кто такой гридасов. Его банально просто нет . Есть нечто , что вы не оцените и не воспринимаете.
                In general, it is interesting how the same carbon behaves in the medium of surface ionization by its derivatives of dispersed diamond or the same carbon. because in one part of the interaction loop the same substance will be in an extremely polarized state and interaction. Either carbon will be coated with a surface comparable in hardness to diamond, or .... Interesting. But this is nonsense, you say.
                1. Cat man null
                  Cat man null 28 November 2015 00: 25 New
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                  Quote: gridasov
                  this is nonsense you say

                  That’s what I’ll say. Your words in the sentence are stupidly not related to each other. That is, to understand in general what you are trying to say is simply impossible. For me at least.

                  Quote: gridasov
                  carbon in the surface ionization medium by its derivatives with dispersed diamond or the same carbon

                  - что такое "среда ионизации", в которой "интересно, как поведет себя углерод"?
                  - что понимается под "ионизацией дисперсным алмазом"? Что за чушь? Определение ионизации, как таковой - вспоминаем?Вследствии чего может это явление возникнуть - вспоминаем? И при чем тут "дисперсный алмаз" какой-то??

                  Quote: gridasov
                  Either carbon will be coated with a surface comparable in hardness to diamond, or ....

                  ... either will not request

                  Clown.. yes
                2. gridasov
                  gridasov 28 November 2015 00: 42 New
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                  Imagine that a material object passes from space through the dense layers of the atmosphere. What is the reason for heating the surface of this object? Now imagine that in a closed circuit, the surface of a solid material is blown with a gas or liquid with a finely divided powder or only a dispersed stream of any substance at such a speed that there is not shock contact, but break-in, but the flow forms radial pressure on the material in such a way that it polarizes everything body that way. In general, etc. For some reason, I have no complaints about your statements. Well, perhaps there is an excess of rudeness. Why?
                3. Cat man null
                  Cat man null 28 November 2015 00: 58 New
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                  Quote: gridasov
                  Imagine that a material object passes from space through the dense layers of the atmosphere. What is the reason for heating the surface of this object?

                  Friction.

                  Quote: gridasov
                  Now imagine that in a closed circuit the surface of a solid material is blown with a gas or liquid with a finely divided powder or only a dispersed stream of any substance at such a speed that there is no impact contact, but break-in ...

                  - стоп! Что есть "не ударное, а обкаточное" (слово-то какое!) "соприкосновение"?

                  Quote: gridasov
                  the flow generates radial pressure on the material in such a way that it polarizes the whole body in this way

                  Sami, in general, understand what they just said?

                  - the flow exerts radial pressure on the body .. well, okay, I admit
                  - оказывает это давление не просто так, а "таким образом".. ну, ладно..
                  - оказывая давление на тело "таким образом", поляризует это тело.. о как.. за счет чего, скажите на милость?? что это за "тело" такое?

                  Короче : вы невнятны, и это - диагноз. А насчет хамства - то не хамство еще. Мне просто приходилось по жизни сталкиваться с такими, как вы, "академиками Петриками", конкретно задолбали.. аж до сих пор на подобные явления природы - аллергия.

                  On you in particular yes
                4. gridasov
                  gridasov 28 November 2015 13: 03 New
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                  Hello !. I did not even read your post after you answered-FRICTION. I will not be rude in your style. But at least you need to understand what it is.
        2. Simple
          Simple 28 November 2015 00: 16 New
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          Quote: Cat Man Null
          The amorphous state of the material is characterized by the absence of any regular structure.


          It is interesting, but from what other state can the crystal lattice of metal atoms still be changed?


          Quote: Cat Man Null

          Что такое "аллотропичесий вид" материала - науке доселе неизвестно.



          Allotropy is the ability of the same chemical element at different temperatures to have a different crystalline structure.


          Not correctly expressed, but no more, so the clown himself.

          Here everyone expresses his opinion. Do not like it, come in.
          1. gridasov
            gridasov 28 November 2015 00: 32 New
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            Вы мне не поверите , но для того , чтобы летать в воздухе , космосе , под водой нужно материал , который будет способен на поверхности соприкосновения с любой из этих сред образовывать широкую шкалу поляризации. Люди же используют материал произвольно , выбрав критерии легкости , прочности на растяжение , но ни как не из реалий обеспечения гармоники взаимодействия на самых различных скоростях. Прежде чем будут достигнуты "сверхскорости" полета нужно много решить прикладных задач. Поэтому в основе лежит способность мыслить и рассуждать. Правильно рассуждать нужно учиться как и всему остальному. НУ это так -пофилософствовал.
          2. Simple
            Simple 28 November 2015 00: 45 New
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            Quote: gridasov
            To fly in air, space, under water, you need a material that will be able to form a wide polarization scale on the surface of contact with any of these media.


            I admit that the potential of a polarized body is capable of giving the latter translational motion in a polarized medium.

            But where does this body, as an autonomous object, get such a potential for polarization from?
          3. gridasov
            gridasov 28 November 2015 00: 58 New
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            The meaning of what has been said is that the material sets the production conditions with which this material comes into contact in the process of ultrahigh speed of an object that is made of this material. Excuse me . Too late. Good luck to all
      2. Cat man null
        Cat man null 28 November 2015 00: 32 New
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        Quote: Simple
        Interestingly, from what other state can you still change crystal lattice of metal atoms?

        Dear .. there is no crystal lattice in atoms .. neither metals nor non-metals .. it was someone who deceived you (not me).

        Quote: Simple
        Allotropy - the ability of the same chemical element at different temperatures to have a different crystalline structure

        "Слышал ты, служивый, звон.. да не знаешь, где он.." (с) Русские народные сказки.

        Ни при чем тут "разная температура". Алмаз и графит (аллотропические формы углерода) спокойно сосуществуют при комнатной температуре, например. Корректное определение аллотропии см. у меня выше.. ну, или в Гугле wink

        Quote: Simple
        Here everyone expresses his opinion. Do not like it - come in

        "Мнение" ваше дремуче безграмотно, что я и отметил. А куда и когда мне проходить - я уж как-нить без ансамбля.. сам, один laughing
      3. Simple
        Simple 28 November 2015 01: 02 New
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        Quote: Cat Man Null

        Ни при чем тут "разная температура". Алмаз и графит (аллотропические формы углерода) спокойно сосуществуют при комнатной температуре, например.



        With a change in what parameter does iron (Fe) pass through its allotropic forms sequentially four times? wassat


        Quote: Cat Man Null
        And where and when should I go - I’m like a thread without an ensemble .. myself, one


        We understood each other.

        Не умоляю Ваши знания, но если видете некорректность- поправьте (желательно с примерами), а не впадайте в разборки типа "у кого толще... "
  • gridasov
    gridasov 27 November 2015 23: 59 New
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    The fact of the matter is that the energy that is supplied is spent not on the creation of magnetic force processes, but on a completely different process. This is obviously like a white day! In the process of influencing the material, the cycle of any external influence is not included at all. It occurs solely due to the potential energy extracted from the hydro-gas-dynamic flow, I repeat, of any quality, but which ionizes the surface of the outflow of solid material. In any case, if there was an opportunity to get such a potential (controllable) in a certain source of email. magnetic energy, then the same thing would happen with the hadron collider - it will break through any insulation. In our case, this will not happen because the loop is looped over the Earth and the environment. They are included in the circuit and are potential and actual sources of energy.
    1. Simple
      Simple 28 November 2015 00: 32 New
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      Quote: gridasov
      ... but which ionizes the surface of the outflow of solid material. ....


      I did not quite understand this phrase.
      Hard metal cannot expire.
      Can a conductive metal be ionized, or am I missing something?
      1. gridasov
        gridasov 28 November 2015 00: 54 New
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        Excuse me. I’ll clarify. The hydro-gas-dynamic flow moves relative to the solid material. When these components of the process come into contact, the mobile flow ionizes the surface of the solid material, which I referred to as the outflow surface. It does not matter if the solid material is conductive or non-conductive. Why? In a solid material, a potential difference is created as linear in the flow vector, and in another vector it is created by a method that does not require the use of external electric. magnetic forces. Imagine that you have a certain linear segment in a state when its one end moves with zero speed of rotation, and the other with supersonic. EMF will naturally arise. Please note that the surface is also ionized by the flux but with other vectors. Therefore, it is possible to ionize, which means to create a potential difference or current in absolutely any material with any conductive properties in a passive state.
      2. Cat man null
        Cat man null 28 November 2015 01: 00 New
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        Quote: Simple
        Can a conductive metal be ionized, or am I missing something?

        You cannot polarize. Ionize just right yes
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  • gjv
    gjv 27 November 2015 14: 38 New
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    Quote: Engineer
    There will be a whole family of engines of different thrust for the IL-96 and IL-76


    PD-14 - basic turbofan engine for the aircraft MS-21-300;

    PD-14A - throttle version of the turbofan engine for the aircraft MS-21-200;

    PD-14M - forced version of the turbofan engine for the aircraft MS-21-400, MTS (Il-214);

    PD-10 - version with reduced thrust to 10 ... 11 tf for the aircraft SSJ ‑ NG:

    PD-18R - turbofan gearbox for Tu-214, Il-96-300 / 400 aircraft.
  • wk
    wk 27 November 2015 16: 45 New
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    Quote: Engineer
    quite at the level of the best western designs,

    if you write this, then give examples, at the level of which samples ... are they better or worse, according to what characteristics .... and if you don’t know then don’t write ... or just write ur ... plus provided!
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    2. gjv
      gjv 27 November 2015 16: 57 New
      +1
      Quote: wk
      at the level of which samples ...

      CFM International LEAP-X
      Pratt & Whitney PW1000G
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    1. vell.65
      vell.65 27 November 2015 13: 55 New
      +4
      Quote: sa-zz
      It's time to introduce the death penalty

      The Duma even does not want to accept a confiscate, as it was during the union, so they are planning to steal in the future.
      1. gjv
        gjv 27 November 2015 15: 03 New
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        Quote: vell.65
        The Duma doesn’t even want to confiscate, as it was during the union,

        Дык а смысл?! Конфисковали - передали в бюджет - разворовали... Только дополнительные "накладные" расходы... bully
  • pts-m
    pts-m 27 November 2015 13: 45 New
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    I had a PD-8 launcher on my combine. look how the PD-14 is already grown up. GLORY to our designers! now the combine can be turned into an airplane. joke!
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    2. gjv
      gjv 27 November 2015 15: 09 New
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      Quote: PTS-m
      I had a PD-8 launcher on the combine


      Or a similar version?
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    4. gjv
      gjv 27 November 2015 15: 16 New
      +2
      Quote: PTS-m
      Now the combine can be turned into a plane


      civil bully


      combat soldier


  • chikenous59
    chikenous59 27 November 2015 13: 47 New
    +2
    Soon we will finish the ways to build the wings and go)
  • dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 27 November 2015 13: 47 New
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    Low bow to the Russian developers! You need to love your country, create for the good of your country, not look beyond the hill, and then there will be recognition, fellow citizens' love and well-being! Well-being and greatness of the country.
  • bad
    bad 27 November 2015 13: 51 New
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    I do not understand aircraft engines .. but in the photo a beautiful and complex product .. and brilliant .. fellow laughing I like.. good
  • Monos
    Monos 27 November 2015 13: 52 New
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    No, how much good did Khokhlyatsk races bring on their mayda! Here it is: the Khokhlyatsk AI-436Т12 was sent to a landfill, and ours received funding.

    That's the right word: if the Americans did not come up with a maidan, it would be worth it to come up with us.
  • Urals
    Urals 27 November 2015 13: 52 New
    +6
    All who involved well done !!! But Perm, his native, wow how proud fellow
  • sa-zz
    sa-zz 27 November 2015 13: 53 New
    +2
    The main feature of PD-14 is the use of a unified compact gas generator that allows you to create a whole family of aircraft engines and industrial gas turbines.

    But this makes it several times more valuable!
    Well done! Congratulations!
  • veksha50
    veksha50 27 November 2015 14: 16 New
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    "двигатель ПД-14 – полностью отечественная разработка"...

    Though positive news ...

    And then - that is nonsense of Erdogan, then NATO, then Ukraine ...

    May God grant both the engine (!!!) and its creators health and good luck ... And let the creators continue to create and create, so that not only their medium-range engines are ...
  • Sochi
    Sochi 27 November 2015 14: 18 New
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    Hooray, it works !!!
  • uge.garik
    uge.garik 27 November 2015 14: 20 New
    +3
    Here we are .., trouble is for the good, peace is stagnation ... But this is Us! Others will not be able to!
    1. MIKHAN
      MIKHAN 27 November 2015 14: 24 New
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      Quote: uge.garik
      Here we are .., trouble is for the good, peace is stagnation ... But this is Us! Others will not be able to!

      Excellent spoken! Plus for you from the heart ... hi
  • gridasov
    gridasov 27 November 2015 14: 23 New
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    Without a doubt, it is worth congratulating the engine builders on the creation of a new unit. There is a desire, there is a desire and opportunities.
    Однако стоит смотреть "реалиям в лицо". Двигатель построен на старых принципах тех процессов , которые в нем используются. Он громоздкий и сложный. Главное в нем не создаются возможности для создания высокой плотности сжатия потока и т.д. В конце концов он может быть экономичнее и по выходным параметрам эффективней , но только перед рядом двигателей построенных на тех же технологических и физических принципах. При этом совершенно очевидно , что уже сейчас стоит рассматривать двигатели на новых алгоритмах процессов в нем преобразований.
    1. Ze Kot
      Ze Kot 27 November 2015 15: 24 New
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      Quote: gridasov
      At the same time, it is quite obvious that now it is worth considering engines based on new algorithms of processes in it transformations.



      For example ?
    2. Forget
      Forget 27 November 2015 15: 41 New
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      Quote: gridasov
      Однако стоит смотреть "реалиям в лицо". Двигатель построен на старых принципах тех процессов , которые в нем используются

      I will tell you a secret, the principles are the same and will not change for a long time.
      1. gridasov
        gridasov 27 November 2015 17: 29 New
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        I will also tell you a secret that it will be so until a critical situation arises of the need for a new idea. But then she may be in different hands. But we know that modern production technologies can quickly bring to life any idea, and ingenious ideas are always simple to implement, but difficult to understand. And demand is growing and growing, and confrontation is growing.
  • Zai pali
    Zai pali 27 November 2015 14: 28 New
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    Thank you, here you need more news.
  • IAlex
    IAlex 27 November 2015 14: 58 New
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    Finally, POSITIVE ... Now SSJ and MC-21 get at least domestic engines instead of French SAMs :))))))
  • chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 27 November 2015 15: 06 New
    +1
    And with long-distance what? If we start building our dreamliner, will there be engines for it?
    1. IAlex
      IAlex 27 November 2015 15: 32 New
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      If in the Russian Federation they begin to build a Dreamliner under current officials, it will remain so - like a lot of investments and a bright dream ...;)))))))))
  • Mestny
    Mestny 27 November 2015 15: 10 New
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    Quote: gridasov
    Однако стоит смотреть "реалиям в лицо". Двигатель построен на старых принципах тех процессов , которые в нем используются. Он громоздкий и сложный. Главное в нем не создаются возможности для создания высокой плотности сжатия потока и т.д

    Опять "реалиям в лицо", да чтож такое.
    I thought that now iksperdy will run in, it will begin - the materials are not the same, the technology is not the same, nothing new, etc.
    Но неожиданно, про физические принципы ( которые в новости про успехи России понятное дело "не те", и "19 века").
    I see.
    At least something, at least add a spoonful of brown to the news about Russia and its successes.
    1. wk
      wk 27 November 2015 16: 13 New
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      At least something, at least add a spoonful of brown to the news about Russia and its successes.

      but essentially what object?
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    3. gridasov
      gridasov 27 November 2015 17: 41 New
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      Ага! Кто-то так же думал , что турки в спину не выстрелят. Предают те кого считают "близкими". На войне такие правила не приемлимы. Нужно точно и четко осознавать комплекс вопросов в той теме в которую окунаешься. А пока подобные Вам будут радоваться нашим достижениям, то многое может произойти. Нужно создавать реально эффективную технику и полностью и на столетия доминировать . Поэтому еще вопрос тот...как в анекдоте. "Не тот тебе враг кто в фекалии засунул . а тот , кто облизал и сожрал". Помните про воробья в зимнюю стужу.
  • chelovektapok
    chelovektapok 27 November 2015 15: 14 New
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    Скаклы снова могут принять "ёгурт на сон грядущий" вместо "присоединения к санкциям" . Санкции санкциями. Серьёзные державы разбираются. А бандерам- чупа-чупс!
  • Diviz
    Diviz 27 November 2015 15: 19 New
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    I don’t understand why we should conclude a contract with Siemens to build a thermal power station in the Crimea when we have such developments.
    1. chunga-changa
      chunga-changa 27 November 2015 15: 21 New
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      Development is one thing, and the finished kit is another, especially if urgent.
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    3. gjv
      gjv 27 November 2015 15: 46 New
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      why with simenom conclude a contract for the construction of a power plant in the Crimea when we have such developments

      Интересно - "такие разработки у нас" - это что имеете ввиду?
  • 16112014nk
    16112014nk 27 November 2015 15: 30 New
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    Quote: Wild_Grey_Wolf
    Shifts with aircraft engines begin,

    And it would be even better if you pushed Manturov somewhere. Then the real movement in the aviation industry would begin!
  • wk
    wk 27 November 2015 16: 11 New
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    посещал однажды МАКС 2007 так, вот подобная летающая лаборатория ИЛ 76 с одним двигателем негабаритным уже стояла тогда.... под двигателем стояла табличка с характеристиками этого двигателя.... так что "новейшему" как минимум восемь лет, я не был на МАКС 2005 и более ранних(возможно это наработка ещё советских времён) не исключаю, что он мог и раньше появиться.... просто это ни кто не финансировал в смысле доведения до ума... сегодня стряхнули пыль со старых чертежей и выдают это за новейшую разработку... импортозамещение.
    served urgent not far from the LII aerodrome ... 1991 -1993 and so, the entire today's lineup of su 30, 34, 35, 37 including the experimental su 47 constantly flew over us .... they were not shown on the box, so they could not know the brand of the product in the late 90s they began to light up on the box .... so that they did not develop anything in modern Russia (in aviation) .... everything is a BLUFF! only T50 development can be attributed to modern development, the development of which clearly went into the design and technological TUPIK! .... stop yelling!
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    2. gjv
      gjv 27 November 2015 16: 54 New
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      Quote: wk
      посещал однажды МАКС 2007 так, вот подобная летающая лаборатория ИЛ 76 с одним двигателем негабаритным уже стояла тогда.... под двигателем стояла табличка с характеристиками этого двигателя.... так что "новейшему" как минимум восемь лет, я не был на МАКС 2005 и более ранних(возможно это наработка ещё советских времён) не исключаю, что он мог и раньше появиться....

      Vitaly, little to little beguiled. At MAKS-2007, you really saw a Soviet-era engine of the beginning of development (1985), but by no means PD-14, but NK-93 Samara GNPP Trud (planned on IL-96, Tu-204, Tu-214 and cargo Tu-330, but now they have PS-90 (1989) of the same Perm engines).
      А new PD-14 developed on the basis of PS-12 (1999) since 2008. hi

      IL-76LL (Airborne: 76492; Serial: 0043452549) LII Gromova, Moscow - Zhukovsky (Ramenskoye) (UUBW), August 25, 2007 MAKS-2007 Sergey Ryabtsev (c)
      1. wk
        wk 27 November 2015 17: 11 New
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        Thank you for the detailed answer, but what is the fate of NK 93? effective managers erased, as they once erased the domestic TU334 in order to 80% import SSD - 100 ... or how very good (it was necessary to fly) that 204-214 strangled in favor of MS21 (crane in the sky) and who systematically destroyed the production of silt 96 .... there are improved engines ... the same NK 93 or PD 14, a new avionics and for half a century ahead it can fly, it seems there are no pritenzy to the glider!
        ... but even accepting your amendment I will not refuse the essence of my comment.
  • Koshak
    Koshak 27 November 2015 17: 28 New
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    "Такого события, которое мы имеем сегодня, не было 29 лет."

    How much time is lost!

    From a neighboring branch http://politobzor.net/show-72420-vladimir-mamontov-gde-nashe-strashnoe-oruzhie.h
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    Following up. My Facebook friend Viktor Ershov wrote to me:
    "Мама моя плакала сегодня от сирийских новостей про С-400, которую они с папой, в том числе, проектировали за нищенскую зарплату ниже прожиточного минимума все 90-е и нулевые. И средний возраст инженера приблизился к 70-и. Теперь страна гордится, а папы уж нет".
    Here is who to show. Immediately after the opening of the Yeltsin Center.
    ➡ Source: http://publizist.ru/blogs/107817/10891/-
  • tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 27 November 2015 18: 23 New
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    Такие вещи надо иметь свои ,только тогда станем независимыми. Осталось задуматься об электронике,хватит "обогащать" заграницу.
    1. go
      go 27 November 2015 20: 14 New
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      Quote: tolmachiev51
      Такие вещи надо иметь свои ,только тогда станем независимыми. Осталось задуматься об электронике,хватит "обогащать" заграницу.


      To do this, you need to buy your own designs. For example, I know only one thing, a cat. In Russia, Etu-von has, although tel. not bad.

      Well done! Engines are almost the most important thing! Brazilians, Germans with the French, the Chinese are building good planes, but have not yet made a good engine, so they depend on the Americans with the British and Russia (the Chinese).

      The main thing now is not to let close either of them. The competition is terrible.
  • indusenok
    indusenok 27 November 2015 21: 02 New
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    Quote: gjv
    Quote: wk
    at the level of which samples ...

    CFM International LEAP-X
    Pratt & Whitney PW1000G

    PW1400 is put on the first flight, it is still unknown further, the first set is already at the factory