Military Review

Middle East alignment in the light of recent events

The world has changed once again. The reason for us is more than sad, but I am sure that all those who should should learn a lesson from this tragedy. And those who should receive a lesson will receive.

The situation in the Middle East becomes such that it is very difficult to predict its further change. Difficult, but not impossible.

Recep Erdogan finally played in the sultan of the Ottoman Empire, and thus greatly complicated the Middle East alignment. And more than a kind of NATO reaction confirms this. No one, except, of course, the United States, wants another round of complications with Russia. And this is good news. But the reasonable question: what's next?

Turkey had a chance to become a leading regional power in the “zero” years, when its foreign policy doctrine was based on a concept developed by the then foreign minister, now Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu. This concept was called "zero problems with neighbors" and proclaimed the need to strengthen partnerships with all nearby states - up to the normalization of relations with such problematic, from the point of view of Ankara, countries like Greece and Armenia.

In general, the duet Erdogan - Davutoglu began to turn out very well. One possessed a certain charisma based on Islam, the second possesses an extraordinary mind. Turkey developed cooperation with neighboring Arab countries - Libya, Iran, Egypt, Syria. Ankara’s revenues were in the billions of dollars.

But all good undertakings have destroyed exorbitant ambitions. At the end of 2009, Davutoglu openly stated in one of his speeches:

“We are called neoosmans - yes, we are neo-osmans, we are forced to deal with neighboring countries, and we will even go to Africa.”

This policy eventually led Ankara to actively participate in the "Arab Spring", during which Erdogan made a lot of mistakes. Finally, the Turks really hit their heads on the Syrian bridgehead.

In fact, Erdogan tried to create a confederation within the borders of the Ottoman Empire, and got a civil war with the Kurds, a conflict on the Syrian border and complicated relations with the United States. And, not having time to stop in time, ruined relations with Russia.

Erdogan was in an extremely difficult situation. The current Kurdish problem is a real threat to the integrity of Turkey. The United States has a project "Independent Kurdistan". The Kurds have actually received autonomy in Iraq, and they may also get in Syria. Turkey is in question.

In today's alignment in the Middle East, Turkey has no allies. Moreover, Turkey is actually surrounded by enemies.


After Iran’s withdrawal from the regime of forced isolation, many forces are betting on Iran. Although in fact Iran is not the Middle East, but it is there, as they say, with legs. And Iran, with its attitude towards the Kurds, is not an ally of Turkey. Moreover, some time after the start of oil and gas exports, Iran is able to put its armed forces in order and not yield to Turkey. Plus a fairly balanced policy. Well, we should not forget that Iran is a country with huge reserves of energy resources, which ranks third in the world in oil reserves and second in gas reserves. And about the potential of the Turks can only dream of.


Of course, Assad has already properly appreciated all the efforts of Erdogan in the collapse of Syria and the support of the Turkmen and ISIL. Yes, militarily, Syria is not the same today as the 10 years ago, but ... Russia. Which, by the way, is quite suitable for Iran.

Saudi Arabia and Qatar

Erdogan did plan to realize his non-Turkic ambitions in partnership with Qatar and Saudi Arabia. However, Turkey as a secular state does not have such weight in the eyes of traditional (and even more radical) Islamists in these countries. Moreover, the Muslim Brotherhood, represented by Erdogan, is absolutely unpopular with the Saudis. As demonstrated by the Egyptian events. And Erdogan clearly demonstrated how he realizes these ambitions during the “Arab spring”.

Both Saudi Arabia and Qatar have purely nominal armies. Nevertheless, being on the opposite pole from Erdogan, they create a kind of outpost on the path of Turkey’s imperial ambitions, arming Egypt. Many sources talk about direct and direct relations of Qatar and the SA with ISIS. But this is an oriental subtlety: supporting ISIS, which is the focus of radicalism, SA and Qatar do not want to see Erdogan use the fruits of terrorist victories. This, of course, is about the transit of oil produced by ISIS in Syria and Iraq.

The goals and objectives of Qatar, SA and Turkey are different. It's clear. IG and the Great Ottoman Empire-2 - things are absolutely incompatible, even geographically. Therefore, the SA and Qatar are not just not allies of Turkey, moreover, they are heavily arming his opponents.


When the Muslim Brotherhood came to power, Erdogan celebrated the victory. Together with his BM counterpart, Mursi Erdogan really got a chance to realize his ambitions. But the change of power exactly a year later and the arrival of al-Sisi put a cross on this. And at the same time on the normal relations of Egypt and Turkey.

Today the army of Egypt is a very impressive formation. Yield to the Turks only in the "freshness". But with the money of Saudi Arabia and the capabilities of the military-industrial complex of Russia, with which a number of contracts worth about 22 billion dollars are currently concluded, the Egyptian army will take a leading position in the region. Plus you should not forget about the annual military assistance from the United States.


Perhaps the poorest country in the region, with the most modest army. And having many internal problems, such as almost half a million Syrian refugees from areas captured by ISIL. The position of Jordan has always been frankly pro-American. Jordan joined the coalition led by the United States, and until recently, the statements of Jordanian officials on the Syrian issue did not differ from what was said in Washington. Recently, however, the position of Amman began to change. This was largely due to the success of the operation of the Russian VKS in Syria. Jordan has expressed a desire to coordinate the actions of its military with the Russian. The creation of an information and logistics center in Amman is planned, by analogy with that created in Iraq.


The army of Israel to comment does not make sense.

And the relationship is as follows. Despite the fact that Israel is preaching a frankly anti-Syrian line (with some good reasons for that), despite its rather tense relations with Iran, Israel is one of Turkey’s strongest opponents. Also not without reason. Today, Israel is quite in a warm relationship with Egypt (after a change of power there) and, therefore, with Saudi Arabia. In fact, it is a kind of triad that is ready to “make friends” against Erdogan.

In fact, today, through its actions, Turkey represented by Erdogan has turned the whole region against itself. Plus the USA, Europe and Russia. What Erdogan counts on is difficult to say. If we take into account NATO membership and the possession of the second army in the bloc, we hope that the rest will support him ...

After all, what Erdogan is trying to do now is an attempt to reshape Syria and put the situation exclusively under its control. But prevented the actions of the Russian HVAC.

The plan was clear: to capture the very same 98 kilometers of the Syrian border, inhabited by ethnic Turkmen, who openly support Turkey and fight with the troops of Assad. Create a kind of "buffer zone" there, officially introduce a contingent of Turkish troops to protect the refugees and, under the cover of the camps of these refugees, train the militants. And continue to seize the territories of Syria. With the help of the same units LIH.

No wonder that the chief of the Turkish National Intelligence Organization, Hakan Fidan, as recently as 25, November, officially spoke in support of ISIS.

"ISIS is a reality, and we must recognize that we cannot destroy such a well-organized and popular state system as the Islamic State."

Fidan called on Western colleagues to "reconsider their views on the Islamic political movement, put aside their cynical mentality and thwart Vladimir Putin’s plans to crush the Syrian Islamist revolutionaries."

And with the help of the “well-organized” ISIS system, to seize territory in Northern Syria, up to and including Aleppo. Because in the Turkish sense the same Aleppo is the original wilayet of the Ottoman Empire. Historically, yes, but the Ottoman Empire a lot of things belonged about four years ago. What this afternoon looks like absolute barbarism.

But with our bomber Erdogan obviously went over the superfluous. He acted as a provocateur instigator who insults you, and then runs off around the corner where the ambals with bits must wait for you. But in this case, the NATO comrades, who were supposed to play the role of ambalov, twisted a finger at their heads, and refused to support the Turkish leader. In a soft, true form. Say, deal with the Russian himself. But even after that Erdogan prefers to fly somewhere, having bit the bit.

Our история I knew several such examples. When the country's leader condemned himself to war with the whole world. Well, or with his big part. No need to say how it ended, right? War "against all" is impossible to win. Neither economic nor with the help weapons.

Erdogan’s policy has put Turkey in a difficult position. The allies are practically absent, and Russia's actions in response to an act of aggression do not allow resorting to the defense of the NATO bloc. Turkey remains alone in the region against countries that explicitly or implicitly want the fall of Erdogan. Speaking simply, Erdogan "got" all without exception. Even the USA. About Europe in the face of France and Germany can not speak. Yes, Erdogan firmly took Europe by the throat, organizing the flow of refugees from its territory. And this will also be reckoned to him.

There was the only new ally who could somehow support Turkey. Given the many joint economic projects, investments and everything else. But even with Russia did not work.

Predict the fall of Erdogan as a ruler is not worth it. This is an obvious fact. The West is unlikely to bet on this card. East - all the more. The map of Turkey will be beaten in the near future. And only Erdogan will be guilty of this.
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  1. Mowgli
    Mowgli 27 November 2015 06: 44
    In general, the duo Erdogan - Davutoglu began to turn out very well. One possessed a certain charisma based on Islam, the second possessed a remarkable mind.

    That is, to say the normal language, then one is smart and the other is beautiful!
    And who of hu?
    1. Alexkorzun
      Alexkorzun 27 November 2015 07: 43
      Erdogan - balabol, Davutoglu - the brain. He understands that the chef has gotten involved and is patiently waiting for him to fall into the political abyss to take his place.
      1. Almatinets
        Almatinets 27 November 2015 08: 00
        Well, since the prime minister’s brain, it means that planning for the destruction of the aircraft took place with his active participation, and with his apologies wins back - for the president is somehow inconvenient
        1. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 27 November 2015 10: 35
          Quote: Almatinets
          Well, since the prime minister’s brain, it means that planning for the destruction of the aircraft took place with his active participation, and with his apologies wins back - for the president is somehow inconvenient

          The fact that the plane was shot down with his active participation is not even discussed - he himself said from the rostrum that he personally gave the order to destroy the aircraft. And the word, as you know, is not a sparrow ...... This is despite the fact that Erdogan first tried to otmazatsya in terms of the fact that the Turks did not know that this was a Russian plane. In short, Davutoglu-leaked the chef in full. Two statements contradicting each other! I think that it is no coincidence)))
          The author described the alignment of forces well, but it seems to me that he paid little attention, or underestimated, the role of the United States.
          In my opinion, the main beneficiaries in this situation are the USA and Israel.
          Strengthening Turkey, which over time would supply all the energy flows of Central Asia, Transcaucasia, the Middle East and Russia, would be inevitable and would undermine Israel’s position as a regional power and seriously reduce the US influence on Europe in the energy issue. Turkey would have the opportunity to dictate its terms to both e-media providers and their recipients. Now, if Turkey engages in a full-blown conflict with Russia, all these Turkish prospects and ambitions are simply covered by a copper basin. The Turks simply forgot the expression of Henry Kissinger -"Fighting with the US is dangerous, but being friends with the US is deadly".
          It looks like Erdogan was framed by his "friends" in full. I did not put on those)))
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      3. atalef
        atalef 27 November 2015 08: 04
        Quote: Alexkorzun
        Erdogan - balabol, Davutoglu - the brain. He understands that the chef has gotten involved and is patiently waiting for him to fall into the political abyss to take his place.

        no, I don’t think it’s the Mazarin of the Turkish spill.
        The king's head will be cut off, the cardinal will be saved.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 27 November 2015 08: 25
          Quote: atalef
          The king's head will be cut off, the cardinal will be saved.

          Hi Sanya, in a variety of situations, we’ll have to chop off his head, and everyone else will stand aside and watch how things end.
          And in any case, another shot down plane, it does not matter who knocks our Turkish or ours, all diplomacy will roll to such a mother, beyond which the warrior cannot get into NATO. hi
          1. miru mir
            miru mir 27 November 2015 13: 37
            In your opinion, the war between Russia and Turkey is an inevitable thing?
            1. vlavek
              vlavek 27 November 2015 16: 29
              The only question is, for whom will Russian Muslims be in case of what? Kadyrov something suspiciously silent
            2. atalef
              atalef 27 November 2015 19: 55
              Quote: miru mir
              In your opinion, the war between Russia and Turkey is an inevitable thing?

              It will be given economically.
              The difference is that the Russians are ready to endure inconvenience because of Turkey, and the Turks will not be ready to suffer because of the pirdogan.
      4. sherp2015
        sherp2015 27 November 2015 08: 44
        Quote: Alexkorzun
        Erdogan - balabol, Davutoglu - the brain.

        Quote: Almatinets
        Almatinets Today, 08:00 AM ↑ New
        Well, since the prime minister’s brain, it means that planning for the destruction of the aircraft took place with his active participation

        This David Oglu is still that insidious snake, even though his last name translates as the son of David ... The cunning and mean manner of his actions reveals a hidden Zionist in him and he will still show his snake character.
      5. lukewarm
        lukewarm 27 November 2015 15: 14
        Quote: Alexkorzun
        to take his place

        wink Only this place is now unenviable - at the bucket. Moreover, this "Ogly" spoke very unequivocally about our aircraft. Like "I personally ordered"
    2. atalef
      atalef 27 November 2015 08: 03
      Quote: Mowgli
      In general, the duo Erdogan - Davutoglu began to turn out very well. One possessed a certain charisma based on Islam, the second possessed a remarkable mind.

      That is, to say the normal language, then one is smart and the other is beautiful!
      And who of hu?

      Davotuglu is the main one, he is the gray cardinal of everything that happens.
      Davotouglu is a historian, and historians in power are the most terrible people in the world, professionally justify and justify PANTHURKISM in the light of the exclusivity of the Turks and the great Ottomans.
      Only a historian can bring the base and doubts to the great idea of ​​a secular path of development = Ataturk and revive the Islamic idea of ​​the Ottomans.
      Islamization of the country, reliance on backward (but traditionally religious) layers of Turkey (peasants and small artisans above all) - this is the basis of Erdogan’s power.
      The power of a stupid - which besides the Qur'an in their brains did not have anything.
      1. andj61
        andj61 27 November 2015 08: 47
        Quote: atalef
        Only a historian can bring the base and doubts to the great idea of ​​a secular path of development = Ataturk and revive the Islamic idea of ​​the Ottomans.

        The Islamist idea of ​​the Ottomans was very peculiar - at one time they subordinated to their interests even the religious power of the caliphs - after the fall of the secular power of the caliph, of course. And the caliphs fulfilled the wishes of the padishah, and not vice versa. Just as Peter the Great eliminated the patriarchate in Russia and made the priests of the Russian Orthodox Church virtually state officials. Ataturk rejected Islam, affirmed the secular nature of the state and abandoned the Islamic empire under the leadership of the Turkish padishah in favor of the Turkish national state. The guarantor of the secular state was the army. Erdogan now crushed the army in many respects for himself, partially repressing the top, partially pulling to his side. But he is not ready to abandon the national character of the state in favor of the idea of ​​an Islamic Ottoman state, in which the Turks were only one, albeit a leading, Islamic people.
        Davutoglu, on the other hand, developed a theory of pan-Turkism in detail, from which Erdogan now, intervening in the affairs of the Arab world, is somewhat moving away. In general, it is very likely that Erdogan is just using Davutoglu now, as he had used Gul a little earlier. And where is this Gul now? Thrown out like a condom.
      2. Dembel77
        Dembel77 27 November 2015 09: 08
        At our everyday level, the Middle East alignment is understandable. Thanks for the analysis. In general, building forecasts in international politics is not a thankful task (it’s hard to guess, it’s impossible to know everything) —but popular (in a month nobody will remember what you predicted there). As they say - everyone believes in what he likes. I believe that Russia has a great future, not only in the Middle East, but throughout the world.
      3. miru mir
        miru mir 27 November 2015 13: 41
        The removal of the secular military generals must also be taken into account. It seems to me, the Turks of the great Ataturk forgot. The country is drawn into something like Iran, only a Sunni spill.
  2. nimboris
    nimboris 27 November 2015 06: 56
    Apparently the Turkish duet decided that they are smarter than everyone.
  3. venaya
    venaya 27 November 2015 06: 56
    In fact, today, through its actions, Turkey, represented by Erdogan, has set the whole region against itself. Plus the USA, Europe and Russia.

    The situation is such that Erdogan seems to have been framed from all sides, as if he were extreme. This is not entirely true, given the numerous facts in other parts of the world, he does not order this music.
  4. inkass_98
    inkass_98 27 November 2015 06: 56
    Even now Davutoglu has shown himself smarter than Erdogan, at least somehow tried to apologize and express hope for further cooperation. I think that it will be credited to him. And Erdogan is a political corpse, no one else is interested in him, he fulfilled his role as a stupid gopnik, ruined his own plans with his own hands. What TVM do we have with the projects of "Great Georgia" and no less "Great Armenia"? Isn't it time to denounce the 1921 agreement between the RSFSR and Turkey, signed by the then not entirely legitimate Kemal Pasha?
  5. goody
    goody 27 November 2015 06: 57
    Good, balanced article! Plus!
    1. Belousov
      Belousov 27 November 2015 09: 32
      Half of the article was stolen from Satanovsky:
      For example:
      "Erdogan went too far with the Su-24M. He acted like a juvenile bully who spits in your face, and then runs around the corner where his older comrades should be waiting for him," says political scientist, President of the Institute for the Middle East Yevgeny Satanovsky. In this case, the "senior comrades" in NATO twisted their fingers to their temples, and they refused to support the Turkish leader. In my opinion, Erdogan made a strategic mistake ... And, of course, now the West will definitely not bet on Turkey ... "
      Eh, the covens got into VO, sorry ...
  6. Mowgli
    Mowgli 27 November 2015 07: 07
    He acted as a provocateur-instigator, who insults you, and then runs away around the corner, where you should be waited for by ambals with bats.

    This is called a "goat provocateur"

    Erdogan’s policies put Turkey in a difficult position.

    Apparently Turkey, in the person of Erdogan, decided to take an example from its patrons, not possessing even a tenth of their political weight, qualifications and resources ("Wolf, can you fly? No? And why did you ... show off?")
  7. Riv
    Riv 27 November 2015 07: 08
    If everything is so bad for Erdogan, then why did the Turks bring down a Russian plane? Probably all the same, the profit from the sale of contraband oil covers all possible consequences.
    1. Alexkorzun
      Alexkorzun 27 November 2015 07: 49
      Hmm, did this dolbon really believe that he would hit the plane and we'd go home? This is certainly idiocy and ignorance of the Russian character. Yes, now Erdogan, I'm sorry, but "tear off your arms and legs - I'll crawl on my ass." Now we will definitely put out everything that represents even the slightest gesheft of Erdogan.
      1. Turkir
        Turkir 27 November 2015 09: 41
        There is another option - the US is pushing Turkey to provoke the Russian Federation? For what?
        There are various options, for example, to distract us from the genocide in eastern Ukraine.
        Or, in order to move to an unstable state in the World, so that someone shares rise. Or so that our economy ...
        I can continue. Too many options that all need to be calculated.
    2. Che Guevara
      Che Guevara 27 November 2015 08: 00
      already wrote, I repeat;

      "there and then the scheme is simple, what to think, 1. to beat, 2. to take prisoner, 3. to show the repentant flyers on the BBC.
      Result- the Russian Federation is no longer bombing Turkomans and fuel trucks, + to the whole of the Russian Federation is "fouled" all over the world.
      Some frozen Turkomans who killed the first flyer, and the special forces of the Russian Federation, Syria, who took the navigator, prevented this. "
    3. mad
      mad 27 November 2015 08: 11
      He bit the bit, in blind malice, the brain is almost turned off. Yes, and do not forget the State Department emisars that they whispered - Come on, everything will get away with it ..
    4. NEXUS
      NEXUS 27 November 2015 08: 53
      Quote: Riv
      If everything is so bad for Erdogan, then why did the Turks bring down a Russian plane? Probably all the same, the profit from the sale of contraband oil covers all possible consequences.

      The decision to bring down our aircraft was not made in Ankara, and this is a fact.
      As for the profits from the resale of cheap Igilov oil, this is a penny compared to what Turkey received from tourism, trade with Russia, and joint projects (construction of a nuclear power plant, gas pipeline, etc.) ...
      1. andj61
        andj61 27 November 2015 09: 39
        Quote: NEXUS
        As for the profits from the resale of cheap Igilov oil, this is a penny compared to what Turkey received from tourism, trade with Russia, and joint projects (construction of a nuclear power plant, gas pipeline, etc.) ...

        There is no need to confuse the personal pocket of Erdogan's son with the state. For the state, this may be a penny, but for a specific person to lose hundreds or two million dollars is quite tangible. Moreover, judging by the behavior of Erdogan, he did not think at all that his actions would lead to the curtailment of economic relations.
    5. Inq
      Inq 27 November 2015 09: 17
      The Turks did it at the suggestion of amers. It’s not a pity for the Turks, if anything, at the same time to check how stubborn the Russians will be if they get a “splash”. Ideally, let the war begin with Russia. NATO will look and finish off the winner, that is, us. Oil from ISIS is, of course, an important ingredient, but the bottom line is that the process of creating chaos in the entire Middle East is much more important. And Turkey, however, like Saudi Arabia, Qatar, no one will spare. But in due time. It is foolish to hope that Russia will be allowed to destroy ISIS without resistance. How many years, how much money has been invested in this "project"?
      1. igorka357
        igorka357 27 November 2015 11: 50
        Yeah, our allies in the Second World War also thought so ... right now, like the USSR will be weakened by the war, bled blood, and if we finish it off ... and the USSR gained such strength during the war, the military-industrial complex came to such capacities that the poor allies were as if worried about the lamanche didn’t stomp ... and analytics in the USA is not even badly developed !!! So your attack in the style of "NATA will look and finish off" is complete nonsense, our Motherland, even without taking into account those republics that no longer exist, has a huge mobilization potential .. at a critical time, the whole country will begin to plow for victory, and those who do not want to be cured in a moment, be sure !!!
  8. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 27 November 2015 07: 18
    Allies are practically absent

    Not certainly in that way. The same NATO allies, although at first they distanced themselves a little, but in the person of the United States they actively supported Erdogan both in words and in a run over Russia in the media. I agree with the authors that Germany and France endure Turkey with gritting teeth. Therefore, Turkey is not in the EU and, most likely, will never be there. Europe is now very closely observing the further development of events. And our harsh response to the criminal action of Turkey will be a warning to Europe as well.
    1. Pulya
      Pulya 27 November 2015 12: 17
      And our tough answer ... ???

      Where is it HARD ????????
      1. rotmistr60
        rotmistr60 27 November 2015 12: 56
        Where is it HARD ????????

        You obviously can't wait to launch a bombing strike on Turkey? You are not aware that economic and political sanctions cannot be imposed overnight? If it is unbearable, then go smoke and think.
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        2. Yazov
          Yazov 27 November 2015 20: 33
          Another 10000 tourists. Until they leave Turkey, nothing will happen.
  9. parusnik
    parusnik 27 November 2015 07: 35
    Turkey had a chance to become a leading regional power in the "zero" years... Turkey missed this chance .. by relying on Russia ... It was in the alliance and with the support of Russia that it could break out in the lead .. But alas, besides history, Turkey does not want to learn from its mistakes .. Throughout of its history, it is about the Western powers and this did not lead to good ...
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 27 November 2015 08: 02
      It came to mind:
      Turkish Pasha broke the knife in half,
      When I told him - Pasha, salam!
      And even the kondrashka grabbed the pasha,
      when he found out what else I’m writing,
      dance, sing and dance!
      I have seen India, Iran and Iraq.
      I am an individual, not an ass-!
      Only savages think so!
      Carramba! Bullfight! And damn it!
  10. nik1321
    nik1321 27 November 2015 07: 53
    In general, the opinion about the conflict between Turkey and Russia is fundamentally wrong. It should be about the aggression of a member state of NATO against Russia and not otherwise ... The answer is that we (NATO) have nothing to do with it - Erdogan in itself is not an answer at all .. This is a goat bleating. It is difficult to call it a human answer. Either NATO should withdraw Turkey from its membership or Turkey’s actions are in the interests of NATO. .. Responsibility should be shared by all countries of the NATO bloc, regardless of their words .. most often false. Otherwise, what should Russia do if, for example, a Latvian fighter crashes a Russian military aircraft? And what, they again hide behind a NATO umbrella? Where is the border of what is allowed to the country included in the NATO bloc?
    The following - do not deceive yourself to the point of naivety - that no one will support Turkey (the right is ridiculous - why then did you have to shoot down the plane ???) At one time, the Americans supported Iraq in its aggression against its neighbors, so that later these actions could be turned against Iraq itself ... and gather the coalition troops. As a result ... if someone forgot ... Saddam Hussein-they hanged .. Russia doesn’t need a war with Turkey, but the question of the Kurds in Turkey requires a deep analysis ...
    1. domokl
      domokl 27 November 2015 08: 19
      Do you propose starting a war with NATO?
      1. Victor Demchenko
        Victor Demchenko 27 November 2015 08: 51
        I wanted to write a comment, but decided to write here. Roman, I do not agree (I hope I have the right to do so) with yours:
        It is not worth predicting the fall of Erdogan as a ruler. This is an obvious fact. The West is unlikely to bet on this card. East - even more so. The map of Turkey will be bitten in the very near future.
        before this Erdogan is removed ... again, after all, ban, you say, mother, the figure will have time to decently decribble not only to us, but to the whole world. Figures like this garbage are known in world history and belong to one type: to spoil as much as possible, not for nothing above he was called a goat - a provocateur, this is the true essence of him and his environment. I do not understand the decision of our government to build a nuclear power plant ON OUR money in Turkey, do we have an abundance of energy in the country? in my opinion the problems themselves are very big, there is still no gas in many settlements of the country, and the cost of kilowatt / hour is very high. I’m not talking about the problems of Crimea in terms of energy supply, this region has been a part of Russia recently, and it’s simply not realistic to solve its problems in a year. But right now we have a very good reason to completely lower Turkey to the place they are listening to!
        And also about the "broken Turkish card": I would not predict this very beating so strongly. How much did we predict here on the forum about the collapse of Urkaina and Sho? is still standing, but Turkey is not Urkaina for us, the economy is working there, and it works well, so let's look at things more realistically, eh? And our oligarchs, having a very large business with the Turks, are unlikely to want to lose it. They (the oligarchs) are still doing business with Urkaina (their fingers are Urine) and spit them from the high bell tower on all our troubles! yes
        1. igorka357
          igorka357 27 November 2015 12: 02
          Ukraine stands at half-past six ... and for a long time .. and this is not a joke, or do you think if the country is in full swing of the Civil War, the economy is ruined, the army is practically gone, and there are debts to everyone .. but there’s some kind of prez it’s not understandable, it’s also a normal country ... don’t tell me .. Ukraine has collapsed already ... Now about the Turks ... oligarchs, oligarchs, and the tourist industry instantly declined, and very sharply .. HES there will be no more cooperation, this has already been said .. in a sharp form it is said about a visa-free regime and most likely it will be canceled ... and the last .. a third of Turkey’s budget consists of Rossturism, Russian energy resources, and Russian trade with Turkey ... so that the Turks will lose not a weak part of the budget from their not foresight !!! Only the Russian tourism brought to the treasury of the Turks over twenty lard greens .. and Kumekaite .. Turkey certainly will not fall apart, but Erdogan has already been diagnosed ... terminally ill .. now we will see .. !!!
      2. hrapon
        hrapon 27 November 2015 10: 36
        Quote: domokl
        Do you propose starting a war with NATO?

        He does not propose starting a war with NATO. He suggests being prepared for this war.

        I do not share the authors' optimism about the "merging" of Erdogan by NATO allies.

        Can we say that Erdogan was not told something like the following: "You are the leader of a Great Power, your army and navy are the strongest in the region and you can independently" shorten Putin "in Syria, and if he (Putin) starts threatening with nuclear weapons, we will intervene at the decisive moment, but for now we will pretend that we are dissatisfied with you, so - for disguise. For this, we are gathering a broad coalition in the region in order to direct it against Russia at the right time. " Who can enlist what was wrong?

        Yes, Europe does not want a big war. But who is asking them? NATO is the United States. They make decisions there. This is an indisputable fact that it was not written down in the Charter of the alliance.

        The US goal is to destroy or at least weaken Russia. They do not hide this. Russia is publicly declared enemy No. 1.

        With Ukraine there was a false start. Focus failed. It was not possible to drag Russia into the war. It is clear that fat lovers have their hands sewn near the anus and they do everything through this very hole. There is nothing to be done about it - such an anatomy.

        Turks are another matter. Erdogan is a psychopath with ambition and megalomania. An ideal target for flattery and exhortations.

        The aspirations of our "striped friends" are to push Turkey against Russia, staying on the sidelines at first; wait until both sides deplete their military resources, and then pounce on us with their entire kagal. In general, this plan lies on the surface. This has already happened. This is how the Russian-Turkish war of 1853-1856 began, which we call the Crimean war.

        I think that our management understands and takes into account all this. There can be only one answer to unleashing a war - to destroy the aggressor in a fleeting battle using the entire arsenal of forces and means, without regard to accusations of a "disproportionate response." And if they start "playing around" with the straits, they need to make it clear that after a series of unscheduled blasting operations, the straits can expand significantly, and the Black Sea will become part of the Mediterranean. It's just a pity for Constantinople ...
        1. igorka357
          igorka357 27 November 2015 12: 09
          Another strategist .. I repeat plans to win a weakened winner are not new for Westerners ... and already existed ... but when the Soviet Union gouged the Wehrmacht and others like it, it gained such potential in the defense and the armed forces ... that all the analytics in the USA vyingly answered ... even if you drop atomic bombs on the USSR, its armed forces will reach the battlefield after three weeks occupying all of Europe .. so forget about the weakened winner ... the story is proof !!!
          1. hrapon
            hrapon 27 November 2015 15: 19
            Quote: igorka357
            Another strategist .. I repeat plans to finish off a weakened winner are not new to Westerners ... and already existed ...

            You can at least repeat, but if there are such plans or even are possible, they cannot be ignored and throw caps.

            Let me tell you a secret - the shells and missiles do not resume after clicking on the "start the game again" button, they must be produced. And for this, bearing in mind the protracted military conflict, industry must be mobilized accordingly, etc. It is naive to equate the USSR during the Berlin operation with the current situation in Russia. We are only building up our already considerable, but still insufficient, power.
            1. igorka357
              igorka357 27 November 2015 16: 06
              I never throw my hats! Do you misunderstand something, should I sing you a verse from the song "Get up, the country is huge"? It is possible for yourself you have discovered a secret, about starting the game anew, but I have many years, and I also know a lot of secrets , so I personally repeat to you, I can do it a couple of times ... with a protracted military conflict threatening the existence of the Russian Federation, the entire mobilization potential of the country will work for the Moscow Region ... all! Now about the republics, I don't think that the people of Belarus will smoke on the sidelines in a big war , they will have to choose, like the Armenians and Azerbaijanis and Caucasians, and I really do not think that they will choose the side of the enemy when the big kipish begins, small peoples will forget about the undercover intrigues of big politicians, and about disagreements, or do you think Armenians and Azerbaijanis with Chechens, Belarusians and Ukrainians, at gunpoint went to the German ... War gives rise to thoughts in the minds of people, war makes people think! There are such plans and even had, the Allies had such a plan right after the war, but their analysts are very clear l sensibly convinced the "allies" not to start the operation, since the USSR had become very strong by the end of the war, and would have occupied Europe in a few weeks anyway !!!
            2. KaPToC
              KaPToC 27 November 2015 23: 00
              Quote: hrapon
              Let me tell you a secret - the shells and rockets do not resume after pressing the "start the game again" button, they must be produced.

              Count yes !!! laughing The enemy has the same garbage.
        2. tiheros
          tiheros 27 November 2015 16: 18
          With the exception of everything, it’s true to finish, still to kill the militarily nuclear state is suicide. But to weaken the economy in the war and then provoke a color revolution with all the consequences, yes, so for me, for example, the scenario is absolutely obvious. They will promise all-round support, they will arm them with financial assistance, but NATO will not fight openly with Russia. Turkey most likely As a result of the war, the state will most likely fall apart. But what will happen to Russia is a big question. According to their scenario, what kind of power should come to power some ebn with all the consequences that follow from this. and probably already intensive work is ongoing with representatives of the 5th column. But this is in theory and in practice this is absolutely unpredictable.
          Regarding the war, I think that the next step will be from Turkey. They will find some excuse to close the straits.
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 27 November 2015 08: 26
      Quote: nik1321
      . Either NATO should withdraw Turkey from its membership, or Turkey’s actions are in the interests of NATO.

      They won’t bring out a lever of pressure, both on Russia and Turkey, and the necessary wording can always be concocted.
  11. LEX SU
    LEX SU 27 November 2015 08: 11
    the beginning of the article is good, but the ending is unproven ...
    The US is unprofitable fall of Erdogan, especially right now ...
    The more "batch" there will be, the better for them ...
    1. domokl
      domokl 27 November 2015 08: 18
      laughing Is the beginning evident? The article is analytical and is based on possible options for the development of the situation
    2. tiheros
      tiheros 27 November 2015 16: 25
      The US does not care about Erdogan. We need someone who can fight with Russia for a long time, and that this one does not have nuclear weapons, In this case, Russia also can not use nuclear weapons. Turkey Due to various historical, economic, geographical factors after an unsuccessful attempt ideal for Ukraine. if you glance at the map well, who else? Not the Baltic states.
  12. Alex_T
    Alex_T 27 November 2015 08: 22
    After the introduction of sanctions in 2014, Turkey remained on the sidelines from participation against the Russian Federation. Moreover, closer ties began to be established between the Russian Federation and Turkey, which contradicted the US policy voiced by J. Friedman (not to allow the formation of alliances, to weaken competitors). Therefore, the aggravation of relations between the Russian Federation and Turkey fits perfectly into the US foreign policy. I am not belittling the guilt of the Turks, but I will not be surprised if the ears of an overseas "partner" stick out behind the shot down Su-24.
    1. sherp2015
      sherp2015 27 November 2015 12: 23
      Quote: Alex_T
      I am not belittling the Turks' guilt, but I will not be surprised if the ears of an overseas "partner" stick out behind the shot down Su-24.

      What other ears ... Judging by his ears, this hare is three hundred years old ...)
  13. Volzhanin
    Volzhanin 27 November 2015 08: 28
    Turkey will be beaten in the very near future. And Erdogan will be to blame for this exclusively.
    This objective reality has already been realized and understood throughout the world.
    And in Turkey too.
    Erdogan, now, will fight, rush about, bustle, twist, twist, thereby making even more mistakes. Plus an economic blow to the travel industry.
    Khan him 100%. His own and bang.
  14. Almatinets
    Almatinets 27 November 2015 09: 00
    looking at Erdogan’s behavior, he remembered his former boss - a Turk, all one to one, at first increased self-conceit, slight indulgence towards others on the verge of neglect, further more .... begins to greyhound - at first you endure, knowing that it’s just a show off, but the cup of patience is full. And there comes a time when you do not care, your work, the status of a Turk and you are ready to wet in the toilet for everything that has been accumulated. And then the Turk begins to understand something, and later you have him almost the best friend, you honor and respect, everything is fine and better than before the toilet ... it seems true?)
  15. Zomanus
    Zomanus 27 November 2015 09: 01
    And dude Erdogan really suffered ...
    He has said so much in the last days,
    that there is a clear association with a furious dog.
    I think that the end will be the same.
  16. Neophyte
    Neophyte 27 November 2015 09: 02
    Turkey itself has seen a surge in nationalism and neo-Ottomanism! Consequences have not yet
    clear. Is there an increased interest of the Ukrainian junta in Turetchin, with the aim of rallying against Russia and hoping to earn something?
    In the near future, Ankara is able to do another stupid thing, to introduce a buffer zone.
    1. Megatron
      Megatron 27 November 2015 19: 00
      Well, yes, hahli they have been selling to Ottomans all their lives, and now they are looking there too.
  17. NEXUS
    NEXUS 27 November 2015 09: 03
    One thing is for sure, that one way or another, everyone involved in the death of our pilot and marine can be found and eliminated. It’s now clear that there will be a military answer (in addition to the economic and political) as soon as Russia has prepared everything for this. that forces in Latakia can be said to be strengthened in the light of new realities and threats. I’ll assume that complexes capable of working on the ground (for example, Iskanders) may soon appear in Syria. Some ships may also be pulled to the shores of Turkey, capable of hitting ground targets.
    The first step for all this has been taken absolutely right - they closed the skies of Syria in order to nullify the advantage of the quantitative fighter aircraft of the Turks in front of the Russian Aerospace Forces in Syria.
  18. Victor Demchenko
    Victor Demchenko 27 November 2015 09: 10
    and more: in the light of recent statements by this very goat - a provocateur, one thing can be said. He received carte blanche for any action, because if you believe the media then "... if Russia is hit by our plane while crossing the border with Syria, it will be an act of aggression ..."It means that they have already rubbed off with the Fashington Regional Committee and decided to continue to escalate tension in this region. I understand that my opinion is not worth a damn, but a steep kneading has already started here, and ours need to fulfill the words ... "any aircraft that even has a hypothetical ability to defeat our aircraft will be destroyed without warning.
    man said - man did. otherwise, they will wipe our feet about us, but this is not permissible! hi
  19. Dmitry Potapov
    Dmitry Potapov 27 November 2015 09: 11
    Erdogan still did not understand, he must leave! He did not contact with that.
  20. Inq
    Inq 27 November 2015 09: 23
    I don't think that politicians are starting to "rush and make mistakes." It's funny somehow. Are they the kindergarten girls that the teacher shouted at?
    Personally, my opinion, based on the statements of both the European Union and the United States, and how much without them - Ukraine, that people who make statements, perform significant actions, are not entirely adequate. The initial stage of insanity, not otherwise. Because it is impossible to explain the nonsense that they carry from the point of view of common sense. What is the last statement of Erdogan, they say Assad is financing ISIS. Well, what's this? Is this normal? Therefore, I believe that the old expression operates here: "Whoever the Lord wants to punish, they will be deprived of reason" ...
  21. Belousov
    Belousov 27 November 2015 09: 44
    Erdogan has already backed down. The vaunted NATO shoved the advertised 5th article into one dark deep place, thereby showing that they are not eager to arrange a real batch with an angry Russia, especially if the reason for the batch is only the Turks. This, by the way, should be taken into account by other especially noisy countries, which are all repeating "NATO will come, we will be protected." As it turned out, NATO comes only when it is profitable for him and there is no danger of snatching the lula and spoiling his own beautiful glamorous face.
    The Kurds must be unequivocally armed. Yes, we control the territory of Syria, however, the Kurds will be able to provide Erdogan with a sweet life on the territory of Turkey itself. Erdogan wanted to build a buffer zone in northern Syria supposedly to help refugees? Well, let's bring this good purpose to life. That's just the buffer it will be for the PKK. First, clean everything there, we are from the air, on the ground, the Kurds themselves, clean. Then block the border (which means depriving ISIS of money, ammunition, medicine and other pleasures of life) and launch the Kurds there for the settlement. The Turks, of course, will be indignant, but they will not be able to fly anyway, because the slightest flight beyond the territory will be severely suppressed.
    The bottom line:
    1) Isil will remain with a pretty battered wallet, without regular replenishment of weapons and militants,
    2) Erdogan will simply be left without money, but it will gain even greater problems with the Kurds than now,
    3) the Kurds keep the northern regions of Syria "clean", which will allow them to concentrate strikes in other directions,
    4) we will take revenge as a whole and show that you can’t get in touch with Russia, the answer will be extremely unpleasant.
  22. Billikid
    Billikid 27 November 2015 10: 27
    I read this article yesterday on rambler. It was called differently. Sorry did not pay attention to who the author is. Do you happen to copy from each other there? Authors! Sincerely.
  23. Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 27 November 2015 10: 47
    The article is correct. Thanks to the Authors.
  24. triglav
    triglav 27 November 2015 11: 00
    Erdogan will be "merged" by their own. Or oppositionists. There will be a "maidan" in Istanbul.
  25. gal
    gal 27 November 2015 11: 06
    warning from 2010 on Turkey
    1. igorka357
      igorka357 27 November 2015 12: 17
      Here is a comment .. brave .....
      1. Axis
        Axis 27 November 2015 12: 41
        Awesome! Who is this deputy? A very wise man ...
        1. mervino2007
          mervino2007 28 November 2015 00: 50
          Quote: Axis
          Who is this deputy? A very wise man.

          Bagdasarov Semyon Arkadevich. Speaks Afghan, Uzbek. Counterterrorism Specialist. He was awarded the Order For Personal Courage for completing a special task. Sensible man!
    2. miru mir
      miru mir 27 November 2015 13: 49
      Very, very clear! That's what I'm talking about!
    3. lshka
      lshka 27 November 2015 19: 52
      Class, probably the first right thought among deputies
    4. Delph
      Delph 28 November 2015 22: 31
      Bravo, gal, thanks for the comment. Helpful!
  26. Sashka
    Sashka 27 November 2015 11: 35
    I don’t understand something. Everyone says that everyone has turned their backs on Turkey. I may not have noticed this alone ?! The United States claims that Turkey had a right to defend itself, that the Pentagon has a record of warnings from our pilots. Oland did not condemn the F-16 strike. Merkel too. They only called for de-escalation. Even Belarus only urged not to escalate the situation, Lukashenka canceled his visit to the GDP, since he would have to assess what happened, and he does not want to lose millions of dollars from Turkey. Where our allies "attack them, then they attacked us." NATO stated that Turkey made a mistake, but HAD THE RIGHT TO DEFEND! Well, who else has turned away from Turkey!?!? Or do you all think that the West will not take advantage of such a LUCK to set someone against Russia?!?!?! If they support the fascists in Ukraine, who exterminate the civilian population without trial and investigation, while no one can oppose them with anything. Guys, what are you talking about ?! Now EVERYONE will start flirting with Turkey, providing her with moral support in the current situation! What's already happening. Good day!
    1. igorka357
      igorka357 27 November 2015 12: 23
      So ... the Americans said that the Turks shot down a su-24 in Syria and this is a jamb .. Nata said the Turks made a mistake and stuck the fifth article even deeper .. the Americans said again ... yes, we with the Turks in the coalition but the Turks shot down your plane and the coalition doesn’t play like that .. and about Germany and France, you don’t have a hike at all, how they love Erdogash ... of course, all this can be done from the West, but they will merge Erdogan, but they will look at the Russian reaction for one thing ... we’ll answer that you don’t need to do this anymore .. but Erdogan as the leader of Turkey is already dead, a matter of time .. until the first elections ...
      1. Sashka
        Sashka 27 November 2015 13: 08
        I did not say that the West is fiercely protected by the Turks. I said that they support morally, at least, without commenting in a negative way, without condemning. So, let’s substantively:
        "Recep Tayyip Erdogan and Barack Obama agreed that such incidents should not be repeated, measures are needed to prevent them. According to the White House, Barack Obama emphasized the quote," The United States and NATO support Turkey's right to defend national sovereignty. "(C) Vesti Where is Lamb turned away from the Turks ?! Maybe he is not going to use Article 5, but de facto approved the actions of Turkey, after which Erdogan said that he would continue to do the same.
        "" This is a very serious incident and I am sorry that this happened. I spoke about this to President Erdogan and the President of the Russian Federation. It is clear that at this point and at this time, any risk and any possible recurrence of such incidents must be avoided. The main thing is to refrain from escalation. The only goal that we must all set for ourselves is the fight against ISIS and the destruction of terrorists. We have no other goals, "- stressed Mr. Hollande." (C) Finam. And here, France "clearly condemned" the Turks !!! Here, even between the lines, there is no smell of condemnation, there is only regret and a call to refrain from escalating because of the SU-24 (tell this to the relatives of the victims).
        Who else is there ?! Merkel:
        "I hope that yesterday's events with the downed Russian bomber will not become a step backward in the Vienna process," Merkel said "(c) KP. Where did Frau scold the Turks ?! Show?!
        Next is NATO:
        Jens Stoltenberg, NATO Secretary General: “The data received from other allies are consistent with the version of Turkey. I have already expressed my concern about the consequences of the hostilities of the Russian Federation near the borders of NATO. This underlines the importance of having and enforcing measures to avoid similar incidents in the future. ” (c) NTV. Be that as it may, the NATO Secretary General said this, which means that this is an official position.
        Well, our allies:
        "Such tragic and very dangerous incidents cause deep regret and extreme concern, especially when they occur in a region where a bloody armed confrontation has been going on for several years already, and when such incidents have become participants brotherly for us, Russia and friendly Turkey ", - says the message. (C) RIA. Here, as always, both yours and ours. And where is the lapel from Turkey ?!
        I regard such neutral statements as approval, or at least not condemnation. What Turkey regards as "good". Of all, only the Greeks reacted more or less adequately to this!
        And you say they leaked ... They should have merged when they would have waited for the outcome of the confrontation between Russia and Turkey, so that would have nothing to do with it. And such sluggish reactions indicate that the West has adopted a wait-and-see policy, so that later there would be no complaints against them from both sides. Sincerely.
    2. Megatron
      Megatron 27 November 2015 19: 06
      Yes father is a famous prostitute. Only loans are well begging.
  27. Black
    Black 27 November 2015 11: 48
    All this was done by Erdoganka’s hands, apparently uncle Sym forced.
    Now our complexes have deployed .. What will amer feel sorry for the Turkish f-16 with the Janissary? Will provoke a downing.
    For the Yankees, some kind of holiday!
  28. napalm
    napalm 27 November 2015 15: 41
    Quote: Turkir
    There is another option - the US is pushing Turkey to provoke the Russian Federation? For what?
    There are various options, for example, to distract us from the genocide in eastern Ukraine.
    Or, in order to move to an unstable state in the World, so that someone shares rise. Or so that our economy ...
    I can continue. Too many options that all need to be calculated.

    And here is another option that is not very good for Russia:

    But let's look at the situation in case of crossing the Syrian-Turkish border by parts of the Turkish armed forces under any pretext in a wider context. Serious problems are instantly revealed for the continuation of the Russian operation in Syria, not to mention the fact that the entry of Turkish state troops into Syrian territory other than aggression and the declaration of war cannot be qualified.
    In this case, Russia automatically falls into the situation between Scylla and Charybdis. Or our group completely and very quickly leaves the territory of Syria, forever forgetting about this region and especially about its influence in it. Or, following an allied duty, Russia gets involved in the war against Turkey on the side of Syria, but in fact alone.
    In the first case, with a high probability, this will mean the largest geopolitical defeat of Russia since the collapse of the USSR with far-reaching consequences up to the collapse of the country itself.

    In the second case, Russia is waiting for a full-fledged war in a region remote from its own borders in extremely difficult conditions. The straits will be immediately blocked. The passage through Iraq may also be blocked by the Americans due to their allied obligations to Turkey within the NATO framework. But punching the corridor for the supply and delivery of troops will have to be by force.

    link: http: //
    Alien Game. The stakes are even higher than it seemed yesterday.
    Read very interesting
    1. trantor
      trantor 27 November 2015 17: 31
      Quote: napalm
      In the second case, Russia is waiting for a full-fledged war in a region remote from its own borders in extremely difficult conditions.

      What a strategist you are :)
      And what can not be fought from the Black Sea? Start with the straits for example. Well, it’s not fools who are sitting in our General Staff to start a full-scale war on an isolated theater of operations.
    2. Megatron
      Megatron 27 November 2015 21: 35
      Another bogeyman. Then Iran will definitely not stand aside.
      As a result, both the IRGC and the Iranian regular army, armed with .... Russian weapons, will go into battle.
  29. Nikolay71
    Nikolay71 27 November 2015 16: 32
    Yes, the situation is getting worse and cooler. But Kurds, I would not be in a hurry to write friends. It can turn out like with the same Turks.
  30. Leonid1976
    Leonid1976 27 November 2015 16: 50
    Cool journalism in the country. More recently, everyone wrote that Russia has a strategic partnership with Turkey. The gas pipeline, again, bypassing the junta. One foot in Eurases. Everything has completely changed. Erdogan is a friend of terrorists number 1. Worse than the Saudis and Qatar. And all in one voice. We catch the general line on the fly. There is no need for censorship. Particularly touching are forecasts of the imminent loss of the presidency. Was not in a resort in Turkey? The country has made a breakthrough in 15-20 years. This is only in Russia, if only everyone around was respected, and better feared. And usually people care much more about domestic politics. And about the support of the neighbors ... Something I did not hear words of support from Lukashenko and Nazarbayev. All spit. Such are Russia's allies. One supports while making money on Russia. But the base - no. The second - until he no longer fears for the north of Kazakhstan. Maybe this is Russia, Turkey doesn’t have neighbors?
    1. Megatron
      Megatron 27 November 2015 19: 17
      Very spacious and nothing. In geopolitics, there are no "friends" at all.
      About the house that father is a prostitute, I already wrote above.
      And the Nazar was left only in a general sense, to calmly sit out his term so that he could be carried forward to the mausoleum.
      By the way, what will happen in Kazakhstan after him, no one even dares to guess. But with a high probability - the second usraina.
  31. trantor
    trantor 27 November 2015 17: 25
    The situation may change and change, but one thing in the east remains unchanged: treachery.
  32. Ols76
    Ols76 28 November 2015 01: 49
    Thanks to the author for the informative article +
  33. Gunther
    Gunther 28 November 2015 01: 50
    Belousov (1) Quote:
    Half of the article was stolen from Satanovsky ....

    It's okay - "you take from the people - you take from yourself"
    The review is good; here, what the authors missed is the position of Turkey’s friend on NATO - Greece, with the further confrontation between Russia and Turkey.
    On November 25, Greek Foreign Minister Kotzias, in a telephone conversation with Lavrov, expressed deep concern that a Russian fighter was shot down, then tinkled at the Turks and congratulated the Chavushoglu on reassigning him to the post of minister.
    Maybe the Greeks will plunder when they begin to bend the regge of the perdogan and strike the Turks in the ... back?
    According to Bosnian online media reports, a Turkish F-16 fighter pilot who shot down a Russian Su-24M2 front-line bomber is called Mustafa Hajuroglu (Mustafa Hajuroglu). His ancestors were refugees from occupied Bosnia who left the country after the Russo-Turkish war of 1877-1878, ”the bmpd blog reported.
    Now, the ancestors did not finish off, now we have to correct the omission.
  34. vitya1945
    vitya1945 28 November 2015 05: 57
    The Turkish pilot had nothing to do with it, he complied with the order.
    And then no one thought that Erdogan with his harsh statements affected the pride of ordinary Turks?
    His rating in the country after this previously planned provocation will grow very, very much what he lacks.
    The Turks missed their imperial ambitions.
    And here is such a reason for pride, and not just some sort of a plane, but a Russian one, there the vast majority of the population fully supports him in this matter.
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 28 November 2015 06: 03
      Quote: vitya1945
      And then no one thought that Erdogan with his harsh statements affected the pride of ordinary Turks?

      it’s his Turks, he has the right to touch wherever he wants, but he hurt us in vain ...
      Quote: vitya1945
      , this is exactly what he lacks.

      he doesn’t have enough at all ...
      Quote: vitya1945
      The Turks missed their imperial ambitions.

      they missed the "lyulyam", they have not raked for a long time ...
      Quote: vitya1945
      And here is such a reason for pride and not just some sort of plane but a Russian

      well, yes ... they always hated us, everyone who was there knows that the Turks are smiling not at us, but at the bucks that they bring to them ...
  35. Hitrovan07
    Hitrovan07 28 November 2015 07: 53
  36. Talbot86
    Talbot86 28 November 2015 10: 11
    I read the article, a handful of countries against a handful of countries, a big deal of territories is brewing, and everything is in the Middle East .. sorry ... I want peace in the whole world, this cannot be achieved while the source of such situations lives. I sometimes think why our intelligence services, with the help of the intelligence services of friendly countries, do not set up a mini-fire somewhere on the border of Mexico with the United States in the Texas region or somewhere in Quebec, a conflict between the British and the French? this will somehow defuse and "justify" the situation in the world, otherwise while we were ruling in Vietnam, Afghanistan, Korea, Ukraine, the Middle East, we only lose part of the potential for development, and the states only benefit from this, so why not arrange them so that they understand and feel themselves in our place ... or I do not understand something and there is a certain prevailing situation in the world, which, even in this situation, when the USA throws "surprises" at us everywhere, will still lead the world to fair way?
  37. Gunther
    Gunther 28 November 2015 14: 32
    vitya1945 Quote:
    The Turkish pilot had nothing to do with it, he complied with the order.

    I agree with you completely, only he performed criminal order and shot down our board over the territory of Syria, and those carrying out criminal orders and killing Russian citizens should know - they will be punished.
    Well, this is my personal point of view - "we have only brave scouts, they have vile spies", let's leave the lancelots for chivalrous romances.
    1. Days
      Days 28 November 2015 20: 08
      He with a probability of 99% did not know the trajectory, did not know exactly where and what exactly flies there, he only received target designation, flew at the indicated rate and launched a rocket. This can be done by any pilot in the Turkish army. He is guilty only of the fact that he is a Turk, and therefore on the other side of the front. And the last is already sufficient reason.

      And for the downed aircraft are the highest military and political officials of NATO. And Obama personally.