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Erdogan: If someone should apologize, then definitely not we ...

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Turkish President Erdogan said that Turkey is not going to apologize for the Russian Su-24 bomber shot down by the Turkish Air Force. Erdogan continues to assert that the Russian plane violated the airspace, without commenting on the questions why Ankara ignored the special communication line with Moscow for an urgent message about the “air violation in preparation”, and where the Russian plane was located for the mentioned General Staff of the Armed Forces of Turkey five minutes before hitting it with Turkish missiles - during the "first warning out of ten"?


Erdogan on the air CNN (and now this person is interviewed by various media with surprising activity, trying to shift the blame and problems with a sore head to the healthy one according to P. Poroshenko's method):

I think that if someone should apologize, it’s definitely not for us. Apologize to those who violated our airspace. Our Air Force just fulfilled their duties. Responsibilities were to respond to the violator.




At the same time, the Turkish president announced that Turkey will continue to act in the same way. According to Erdogan, if “a new violation of the air borders of Turkey” takes place, the Air Forces of the country will respond in the same way.
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    1. Enot_33
      Enot_33 26 November 2015 18: 26 New
      129
      Simple practice. the mattresses again threw another six at the barricades. The remaining six are thrilled.
      1. oleg-gr
        oleg-gr 26 November 2015 18: 28 New
        63
        Turkish "Sultan" runs into rudeness. It is evident that the uncles behind him promised a lot or hold well for the Faberge. They will only throw it when they lock it.
        1. Baikonur
          Baikonur 26 November 2015 18: 30 New
          30
          Turkish "Sultan" runs into rudeness.

          So do not be shy! Politeness is already inappropriate here!
          - snake underwater!
          Quote: hard.gni.da
          I think that if someone should apologize, then it’s definitely not for us. Apologies need to those who violated our airspace.

          B..b, we also have to apologize to this pus?
          Just about ... l, or what?
          1. Момент
            Момент 26 November 2015 18: 39 New
            63
            The profit from cheap profit has been muddied by the mind. It’s inadequate at all. That’s why Russia is so unlucky .... To them with all my heart, and “friends” a bullet in the back. The Army and Navy and nobody else.
            1. Dr. Bormental
              Dr. Bormental 26 November 2015 18: 42 New
              +9
              In this perspective, it looks like Leonid Yakubovich (Field of Miracles) wassat
              1. Alex1313
                Alex1313 26 November 2015 18: 50 New
                22
                Do not insult Yakubovich
              2. _Vladislav_
                _Vladislav_ 26 November 2015 18: 54 New
                84
                This demotivator is as old as the world. But who knew that this would be possible today.
                1. good7
                  good7 26 November 2015 19: 29 New
                  0
                  Yes, Israel is more than ever appropriate.
                2. RUSS
                  RUSS 26 November 2015 22: 09 New
                  +4
                  The Americans merged Erdogan, they framed it clearly, I think Turkey was also leaked, maybe the Kurds’ dream of Kurdistan will come true.
              3. vovanpain
                vovanpain 26 November 2015 19: 04 New
                43
                Quote: Dr. Bormental
                In this perspective, it looks like Leonid Yakubovich (Field of Miracles)

                That's what he looks like. And Yakubovich is a good old man.
                1. Dr. Bormental
                  Dr. Bormental 26 November 2015 19: 11 New
                  14
                  At first I wanted to write about it, but it’s not very similar there. And right here, yes. Ja! Ja! Naturlich!
                  1. 123_123
                    123_123 26 November 2015 21: 38 New
                    +3
                    Erdogan seems to have a poor understanding of what he is doing. But now, being a hostage to his line of conduct towards Russia and the neo-Ottoman position, he has a very small selection of behavioral options.
                    Russia is not a country of the weight category in which Turkey can compete. Erdogan was very mistaken.
            2. iliitchitch
              iliitchitch 26 November 2015 18: 48 New
              11
              Quote: Moment
              Army and Navy — and no one else.


              More videoconferencing.
            3. Persistent
              Persistent 26 November 2015 18: 53 New
              +2
              He himself will go to the toilet to drown !!!
              1. guzik007
                guzik007 26 November 2015 19: 07 New
                +2
                At least, striding broadly. Perdu Khan is not something that Sharavara pants will tear
                1. meriem1
                  meriem1 26 November 2015 19: 34 New
                  +7
                  Quote: guzik007
                  At least, striding broadly. Perdu Khan is not something that Sharavara pants will tear


                  But it doesn’t matter. This statement is behind the tail of the dog when she turned around the corner. There are Kurds !!! And their gain in any provoke Turkey. And the Turks themselves marked the crossing of the border with a red line. The conclusion is simple. But NATO howl shut up the moment. Stupidly to blame!
                2. Corporal Valera
                  Corporal Valera 26 November 2015 20: 14 New
                  +1
                  Quote: guzik007
                  At least, striding broadly. Perdu Khan is not something that Sharavara pants will tear

                  Sorry, you have a mistake! Correctly say: fart!
              2. sanyavolhv
                sanyavolhv 26 November 2015 22: 09 New
                +1
                health
                Yes, and no need to apologize, drowning too, no need .. dispense with apology.
                it is necessary to tell the whole world how Amerikans forced the Kurds to bomb, how they forced to shoot down a Russian plane, how they forced to deceive Nata and the EU. as forced to help the igil.
                we are kind, we will forgive this.
              3. magosvel
                magosvel 26 November 2015 23: 26 New
                +2
                And the son accidentally drowned in a tank with stolen oil.
            4. Tor5
              Tor5 26 November 2015 19: 17 New
              +4
              Oh, when do we understand that there are no friends in politics, there were not and never will be!
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            6. Altona
              Altona 26 November 2015 20: 06 New
              +1
              Quote: Moment
              The profit from cheap profit has muddied the mind.

              ---------------------
              They write that 25 lyamas of greenery were transferred to him today ... From the Wangard company ...

              http://warfiles.ru/show-101072-skolko-stoit-sbit-samolet.html
            7. vsoltan
              vsoltan 26 November 2015 20: 17 New
              +4
              Wrong .. For too long, the GDP thinks ... mattresses would have kicked off the day before yesterday ... a terrorist attack on a passenger liner, knocked down drying ... quite a reason for carpet bombing of a small piece of turret ... or the use of tactical nuclear weapons ... while the guarantor is swinging, a lot of water will leak ... like in Donbass, in March 2014 .... I didn’t dare ... well, we all managed a long, painful haemorrhage .. And in this case, all the words, hesitate, bravado ... and the Turkish stream will be built, and the nuclear power station will be completed ... unless tourism is slammed ... And they will put pressure on our cash aces ... just empty with ovami ... and expensive ... war thing. And if you fight in a big way, so not with our growing economy, then fight like a street scumbag ... right away, without thinking - and nibbled .... No one will pick up .... And all these thoughts, the next DAM speech .. yes, the requirements of an apology, and supposedly economic sanctions ... well, empty, bullshit ... swinging too long ... It would be too late ... while I observe "loss of face" .. Moreover, not only in Syria, definitely and in politics concerning the Outskirts ... what influential springs are like that ... letting everything go on the brakes, taking care only of your pocket?
              1. NEXUS
                NEXUS 26 November 2015 20: 24 New
                13
                Quote: vsoltan
                Wrong .. For too long, the GDP has been thinking ... the mattresses would have plopped the day before yesterday ...

                Tell me, if your relatives were now: your wife, child were in Turkey, including 10 vacationers, would you "plop"?
                1. andj61
                  andj61 26 November 2015 20: 38 New
                  +6
                  Quote: NEXUS
                  Quote: vsoltan
                  Wrong .. For too long, the GDP has been thinking ... the mattresses would have plopped the day before yesterday ...

                  Tell me, if your relatives were now: your wife, child were in Turkey, including 10 vacationers, would you "plop"?

                  When the Turks shot down, they did not think about their citizens in Russia, they are sure that they are safe. And no one will touch ours, but the Turkish police will still guard - incidents will begin - the end of the tourist industry.
                  But immediately it would be worth answering - to rake a couple of radars that that plane brought to ours, and it was necessary to do this on the same day and in a pointed manner. Nobody would have pickled!
                  1. atalef
                    atalef 26 November 2015 20: 44 New
                    13
                    Quote: andj61
                    But immediately it would be worth answering - to rake a couple of radars that that plane was flying onto ours, and it was necessary to do this on the same day and in a pointed manner. Nobody would have pickled!

                    That. what had to be done, and in general, I would defiantly flunk out of the plane. May it be in the sky of Turkey. do not care.
                    Erdogan generally lost his scent.
                    1. ultra
                      ultra 26 November 2015 20: 56 New
                      +6
                      Quote: atalef
                      May it be in the sky of Turkey.

                      I think we will have a chance to do this in the sky of Syria.
                    2. APASUS
                      APASUS 26 November 2015 21: 02 New
                      +1
                      Quote: atalef
                      what had to be done and in general, I would have flunked out of the plane. May it be in the sky of Turkey. do not care.

                      And what is interesting in Israel about this saying, what moods, what do politicians and people think?
                      1. wanderer
                        wanderer 26 November 2015 21: 20 New
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                        I apologize for being responsible for atalef, but he apparently missed your post. In Israel, they say that the Russians got involved in this fight did not do their homework, on bl. in the east, it is customary to respond to a blow with a stronger blow, otherwise you will be considered a weakling, you should have Max for an hour. to split all the stripes of that airfield from where this plane took off (not even with the victims, it doesn’t matter) it’s important that it be strong and loud so that you are afraid and after that do not ask them to apologize, but we were only lucky to inform you that it’s next time it will be much worse. That’s how they would have understood, well, they would have smelled a bit, but they would not have climbed anymore. This is what they say in Israel.
                      2. Zoldat_A
                        Zoldat_A 26 November 2015 21: 48 New
                        +9
                        Quote: wanderer
                        the Russians got involved in this fight did not do their homework- on bl. in the east, it is customary to respond to a blow with a stronger blow, otherwise you will be considered a weaklingYou should have been within an hour Max. to put apart two of all the strips of that airfield from where this plane took off (not even necessarily with casualties, it doesn’t matter) it is important that it be strong and loud so that they are afraid and after that do not ask them to apologize, but To inform you that you are lucky, we only warned you next time it will be much worse. That’s how they would have understood, well, they would have smelled a bit, but they would not have climbed anymore.

                        Surprisingly, this is exactly what I know from my quite considerable experience about communication with Muslims and about the rules of survival in the Muslim world. And this applies not only in the Middle East, but also in Central Asia and the Caucasus. And Israel, by the way, lives like that. And rightly so! A lot of things for me personally in Israeli politics are not so much, I argued a lot with the Israelis here at the Military District, but what they can’t take away from Israel - they know how to strike back. This is me 40 years ago, after Munich I realized. To some extent, Israel needs to learn from, and not look for phosphates in tomatoes.
                      3. wanderer
                        wanderer 26 November 2015 22: 10 New
                        +9
                        That is why Israel still lives. If they didn’t answer indescribably for every blow, they would have eaten us long ago.
                    3. vorobey
                      vorobey 26 November 2015 22: 17 New
                      +4
                      Quote: wanderer
                      getting involved in this fight did not do homework


                      but in my opinion, on the contrary ... before in Syria there was no C300 (400) now there is ... and there is a no-fly zone ... request

                      bomb a member of nato? having 10000 hostages? we are quiet ...
                    4. NEXUS
                      NEXUS 26 November 2015 22: 23 New
                      +3
                      Quote: vorobey
                      bomb a member of nato? having 10000 hostages? we are quiet ...

                      Why bomb it? In Latakia, 4 SU-30s against hundreds of Turkish fighters. Or our pilots on bombers and attack aircraft kamikaze?
                      Our VKS forces were focused on the fight against ISIS and not against an enemy that has air defense, interceptor fighters, etc. They were simply not ready! What was necessary to beat the Turks with? Yars? Or send all the bombers to the Turkish F-16 missiles ?
                      Therefore, there was no immediate answer. In Moscow there are no complexes capable of working on the ground.
                    5. sharp-lad
                      sharp-lad 26 November 2015 23: 26 New
                      +2
                      Calibrate a couple of military airfields with good wishes for the future
                    6. NEXUS
                      NEXUS 26 November 2015 23: 30 New
                      +2
                      Quote: sharp-lad
                      Calibrate a couple of military airfields with good wishes for the future

                      We, unfortunately, all the Caliber will then go to clean up this airfield, maybe there are about 100 fighter interceptors there ... we need a very dense swarm of missiles to break through this barrier
                    7. aleks 62 next
                      aleks 62 next 27 November 2015 09: 17 New
                      +1
                      .... We, unfortunately, all Caliber will go then to clean this airfield, ...

                      .... Do you know how many of them are in the "bins" of the motherland ???? ..... I dare to assure you that there are norms of ammunition per carrier unit ..... And it is far different from the figure for example 10. ..... Nobody will be thrown by such devices if there is not enough ..... hi
                    8. NEXUS
                      NEXUS 27 November 2015 15: 49 New
                      +1
                      Quote: aleks 62 next
                      ... And you know how many of them are in the "bins" of the motherland ???? ..... I dare to assure you that there are norms of ammunition per carrier unit ..... And it is far different from the figure for example 10 .. .... Nobody will be thrown by such devices if there is not enough .....

                      Even if there are enough of them, answer me how many carriers of these devices we have and can we provide a sufficiently solid salvo to break through Turkish air defense?
              2. aleks 62 next
                aleks 62 next 27 November 2015 09: 13 New
                0
                ..... Therefore, there was no immediate answer. There are no complexes in Moscow capable of working on the ground .....

                ..... But there are "Gauges", x-555, x-101 ..... It would be quite enough .... hi
              3. NEXUS
                NEXUS 27 November 2015 15: 52 New
                +1
                Quote: aleks 62 next
                ..... But there are "Gauges", x-555, x-101 ..... It would be quite enough ....

                Gauges in Moscow? Hmm ... what a fright they came from there? X-555 and X-101 have not really passed the state tests and by definition there can’t be many. And again the question is, how many carriers of these missiles, so that you can guaranteed to break through the defense of Turkey?
          2. wanderer
            wanderer 26 November 2015 23: 41 New
            12
            Because of such conversations, nobody takes you seriously, bombing them, or having 10000 hostages, and believe me, after that your hostages will be cherished like a sacred cow, otherwise it will be worse !!!!!! And to tell the tales “we don’t have it from you. We’ll buy it and don’t sell it” in BV will not leave the “no-fly zone” and leave it for children to fairy tales. And yet - it should not be "quiet", but loudly and with cannonade !!!!! enough to have fun.
          3. vorobey
            vorobey 27 November 2015 01: 42 New
            +2
            Quote: wanderer
            Because of such conversations, nobody takes you seriously, bombing them, or having 10000 hostages, and believe me, after that your hostages will be cherished like a sacred cow, otherwise it will be worse !!!!!! And to tell the tales “we don’t have it from you. We’ll buy it and don’t sell it” in BV will not leave the “no-fly zone” and leave it for children to fairy tales. And yet - it should not be "quiet", but loudly and with cannonade !!!!! enough to have fun.


            Well, I see you are taken seriously and the hezbollah has quieted down and Hamas does not stick out his nose ....
          4. wanderer
            wanderer 27 November 2015 07: 09 New
            +2
            Vorobey- well, if it’s hard for you to google, then in short, after 2006, not a single Katyusha fell in the north, in the south two dozen arrived a day before the last operation, now maybe there’s only one “left” (self-made) month-difference ??
        2. aleks 62 next
          aleks 62 next 27 November 2015 09: 18 New
          0
          ..... enough already to thush .....

          .... I agree ..... The word amused ..... As far as I understand, you’re going, but you have a state language Hebrew ..... laughing
  2. andj61
    andj61 26 November 2015 21: 23 New
    +5
    Quote: APASUS
    And what is interesting in Israel about this saying, what moods, what do politicians and people think?

    Israeli regulars in VO say so - the Russian leadership showed weakness: it was necessary to respond adequately: immediately bring down their plane, regardless of location, radar, anything at the airport from which it took off, etc. I completely agree with this.
  3. atalef
    atalef 26 November 2015 22: 24 New
    +9
    Hey . Andrew
    And Sanya. Hello again
    You look at this sheepskin, completely lost the scent
    Erdogan: "Putin did not answer my call and did not call back"

    Erdogan said that immediately after the incident with the plane he tried to reach the President of Russia, but Putin did not answer the call and don't call backl.

    In an interview given several hours earlier to CNN, Erdogan said Turkey did not intend to apologize to Russia, since "those who invaded Turkey's airspace should apologize."

    This animal had to call back.
    laughing
  4. NEXUS
    NEXUS 26 November 2015 22: 29 New
    +1
    Quote: atalef
    This animal had to call back.

    More effective Iskander from the Armenian border, if put there.
  5. viktor561
    viktor561 26 November 2015 22: 30 New
    0
    Yes, he will call back - Erdogan’s corpse - we will help the Kurds, Greeks, Cypriots, and Armenians - well, how they will fight on all fronts - the end is to them - yes, it’s time to annihilate Turkey - a wild country and of course ISIS accomplice
  6. sharp-lad
    sharp-lad 26 November 2015 23: 28 New
    +1
    All Turks for what? There are also quite adequate.
  7. wanderer
    wanderer 27 November 2015 00: 08 New
    +2
    Adequate will live in the autonomous districts of neighboring states))))
  8. vsoltan
    vsoltan 26 November 2015 23: 21 New
    0
    Gentlemen, who knows, maybe Erdogan schizo? Or a drug? It’s completely inadequate ... however, the risk seems to have been calculated in advance, since our leadership seems to have really "lost face" ... something should be learned ... from the Israelis, well done, and from the mattresses ... ashamed ... ashamed ... Russia seems to get involved in another long-lasting war ... and with what behind? With a murdered economy and mass-gaining nouveau riche? Now is not the Union ... unpatriotic? I speak provocatively? But really, if you think about it? Outskirts near by, events are brewing in Central Asia, and possibly in the Caucasus (Karabakh) ... and what to do? Or does GDP have another “cunning plan”? After all, he himself had not so long ago spoken out about a street fight ... well, so hit first ... just make up your mind!
  9. Zoldat_A
    Zoldat_A 27 November 2015 00: 01 New
    +3
    Quote: andj61
    Israeli regulars in VO say so - the Russian leadership showed weakness: it was necessary to respond adequately: immediately

    And not only Israeli. Many, many years ago, we, then green boys, were taught by a major instructor - any manifestation of aggression must be answered extremely harshly and the answer should exclude further possible actions of the enemy. In normal language - they hit you in the face - break your bones until you are sure that the enemy will not stand up. And, if possible, this should be done quickly and with a minimal amount of body movements.

    My opinion is that Erdogan should now not make statements, but organize the extinguishing of airfields and give out books to the residents of Ankara "How to behave in a nuclear explosion."
  10. aleks 62 next
    aleks 62 next 27 November 2015 09: 21 New
    +1
    ..... My opinion is that Erdogan should not make statements now, but organize the extinguishing of airfields and hand out booklets "How to behave in a nuclear explosion" to Ankara residents ....


    ... Me for such "seditious" thoughts two days ago, intensely minus ..... laughing
  11. Zoldat_A
    Zoldat_A 27 November 2015 13: 42 New
    +1
    Quote: aleks 62 next
    Me for such "seditious" thoughts two days ago intensely minus

    This is probably because you did not give a good example about the major instructor and the GDP has not yet said a tough answer. Unfortunately, I did not read that comment, but I would not put a minus. good
  • vsoltan
    vsoltan 26 November 2015 23: 08 New
    0
    And with you, dear Levoslav ... :)
  • user1212
    user1212 27 November 2015 04: 37 New
    0
    Quote: atalef
    That. what had to be done, and in general, I would defiantly flunk out of the plane. May it be in the sky of Turkey. do not care.

    Pilots people are military. Revenge performers is stupid. The answer must go to those who gave the orders
  • NEXUS
    NEXUS 26 November 2015 20: 50 New
    +4
    Quote: andj61
    When the Turks shot down, they did not think about their citizens in Russia, they are sure that they are safe

    Because we are not Turks and history has proved that such methods are not inherent to us.
    Quote: andj61
    And no one will touch ours, and the Turkish police will still guard - incidents will begin - the end of the tourist industry.

    The hedgehog has come to an end. Or are you thinking of going on vacation to Turkey?
    Quote: andj61
    But immediately it would be worth answering - to rake a couple of radars that that plane brought to ours, and it was necessary to do this on the same day and in a pointed manner. Nobody would have pickled!

    Erdogan immediately ran to Brussels after the incident. If he had been supported and defended hot there, we would have started ironing the regular parts of the Turks and after the NATO intervened, what then? World War III? Clever heads of state play with such concepts on feelings and assumptions alone they won’t be, since they are responsible not only for themselves and their family, but for the whole country.
    1. andj61
      andj61 26 November 2015 21: 28 New
      +3
      Quote: NEXUS
      Quote: andj61
      And no one will touch ours, and the Turkish police will still guard - incidents will begin - the end of the tourist industry.
      The hedgehog has come to an end. Or are you thinking of going on vacation to Turkey?

      Most tourists in Turkey are by no means from Russia, but from Germany and other Europe. This tourism business would also end
      Quote: NEXUS
      Erdogan immediately ran to Brussels after the incident. If he had been supported and defended hotly, we would have started ironing the regular parts of the Turks and after the NATO intervened, what then is the Third World War?

      Where did I write that I need to “iron the regular parts of the Turks”? Once again I repeat ONE (maximum two) an adequate strike in response - on a Turkish plane, or on a radar, or on some kind of construction at the airport - and that’s all!
      And no one would intercede for the Turks!
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 26 November 2015 21: 31 New
        +1
        Quote: andj61
        or by radar, or by some kind of construction at the airport - and that’s all!

        But the radar itself is in the field and it is not served by officers and privates of the REGULAR Turkish army, or are military airfields in Turkey deserted?
      2. andj61
        andj61 26 November 2015 21: 36 New
        +5
        Quote: NEXUS
        But the radar itself is in the field and it is not served by officers and privates of the REGULAR Turkish army, or are military airfields in Turkey deserted?

        Our people died - they must die too. The principle of talion! And nothing more.
      3. NEXUS
        NEXUS 26 November 2015 21: 45 New
        +2
        Quote: andj61
        Our people died - they must die too. The principle of talion! And nothing more.

        It’s not evening yet. All day has passed. Everything will be. But for such acts, preparation is needed. The S-400 is in positions, the fighters are pulling up like interceptors ... We will repay the debt, with interest.
      4. NEXUS
        NEXUS 26 November 2015 22: 07 New
        +1
        Quote: andj61
        Our people died - they must die too. The principle of talion! And nothing more.

        That's good ... the first hours after our plane was shot down ... What are you doing? Will you burn airfields or radars? Despite the fact that there are about 100 Turkish fighters near the border with Syria, and in Moscow there’s nothing to work on ground targets . Caliber from the Caspian? So the Turks at the airfields fighter-interceptors and what should be the density of the swarm of Caliber in order to "get" the Turks?
      5. aleks 62 next
        aleks 62 next 27 November 2015 09: 26 New
        0
        .... How will you burn airfields or radars? ...

        .... X-31 ..... They are present there without fail .... And their carrier is SU-24 .... Which can (even the first "clean" Su-24) worked very well in the mode circumflexion of the terrain (height 30-50m) ..... We wouldn’t have time to blather .... And on the cover of the "Fort" "of Moscow (64 missiles - effective range 250km)) .....
  • Alibekulu
    Alibekulu 26 November 2015 22: 11 New
    +2
    Quote: andj61
    Our people died - they must die too. The principle of talion! And nothing more.
    Oddly enough, despite my reputation ("pan-Turkist" and "Kazakh nationalist" laughing ) I fully support your point of view ..
    Quote: andj61
    And no one would intercede for the Turks!
    In the eyes of the civilized world, the Russian Federation has the moral right to "land" any combat aircraft of the Turkish Air Force. I think even adequate Turks think so ..
  • NEXUS
    NEXUS 26 November 2015 21: 08 New
    +1
    Quote: andj61
    When the Turks shot down, they did not think about their citizens in Russia, they are sure that they are safe

    You did not answer my direct question-
    Tell me, if only now your family: wife, baby were in Turkey, among 10 vacationers, would you "plop"? Or would you run to get them out of there, without thinking about anything?
    Or for you, these citizens are just people “who turned out to be in the wrong place and at the wrong time?” And they don’t give a damn that they have families, also by the way citizens of the Russian Federation.
    1. andj61
      andj61 26 November 2015 21: 20 New
      +1
      The question was not for me, but I will answer. Of course, I would run - if such a situation happened. Yes, and where would I go? Only the situation does not depend on us - and the safety of our tourists in Turkey and Turkish workers in Russia, all the same, thank God, is not dependent on the actions of the government of the country. Or are you sure that the Turkish leadership is absolutely scumbags?
      But worth it - it was worth it on radars, an airfield or something else! This would not lead to escalation, but the face would be preserved. And determination would be shown. The talion principle in action will cool anyone.
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 26 November 2015 21: 26 New
        +4
        Quote: andj61
        Or are you sure that the leadership of Turkey is absolute scumbags?

        Do you think that the order to bring down our plane for no apparent reason is an adequate act? For me, the Turkish leadership is vile, prudent and unpredictable. And therefore, I would not expect from this leadership noble gestures towards our tourists and people working there.
      2. andj61
        andj61 26 November 2015 21: 58 New
        +2
        Quote: NEXUS
        Quote: andj61
        Or are you sure that the leadership of Turkey is absolute scumbags?

        Do you think that the order to bring down our plane for no apparent reason is an adequate act? For me, the Turkish leadership is vile, prudent and unpredictable. And therefore, I would not expect from this leadership noble gestures towards our tourists and people working there.

        Therefore, it was necessary - IMMEDIATELY - to show them the seriousness of the situation. And now all concern comes down to words. And just this can give them reason to hope for success in case of blackmail by our citizens.
      3. atalef
        atalef 26 November 2015 22: 07 New
        +4
        Quote: andj61
        Therefore, it was necessary - IMMEDIATELY - to show them the seriousness of the situation. And now all concern comes down to words. And just this can give them reason to hope for success in case of blackmail by our citizens.

        Yes, Andrey, you need to answer BV immediately, otherwise everything will come down to verbiage and the eastern bazaar.
        Turkey must be extinguished economically.
        Let the Turks ami Pirdogan in the feces of the world.
        Believe it though. pirdogan. it's a doll, and dumb.
        The main ideologist and gray cardinal is Prime Minister Davutoglu.
        This pan-Turkist is finished. Both have a roof of their own greatness, I hope Russia will show them which shepherd they are supposed to sit in, fucking the lambs. laughing
    2. sharp-lad
      sharp-lad 26 November 2015 23: 32 New
      0
      Moved by relatives, increase the area of ​​the Black and Mediterranean Sea!
    3. Hello
      Hello 26 November 2015 23: 41 New
      +1
      Quote: NEXUS
      Do you think that the order to bring down our plane for no apparent reason is an adequate act? For me, the Turkish leadership is vile, prudent and unpredictable. And therefore, I would not expect from this leadership noble gestures towards our tourists and people working there.

      If you will allow me, I believe that hooligans and scoundrels should answer in a language that they understand, otherwise they will suspect that they have achieved their goal. If you are interested in my opinion, I would answer immediately, so that they would drop their feces and ammunition. And even the word Russia were afraid to pronounce by ear. hi
    4. NEXUS
      NEXUS 26 November 2015 23: 44 New
      +1
      Quote: Hello
      If you are interested in my opinion, I would answer immediately, so that they would run dropping feces and ammunition. And they were even afraid to pronounce the word Russia.

      Excuse me, but answer with what it was necessary to answer? I agree, it was necessary ... BUT WHAT?! Yars, or clubs, than? Look soberly and objectively at that moment we had available tools and you will understand what I am asking.
    5. Hello
      Hello 27 November 2015 00: 37 New
      0
      Quote: NEXUS
      Excuse me, but answer with what it was necessary to answer? I agree, it was necessary ... BUT WHAT?! Yars, or clubs, than? Look soberly and objectively at that moment we had available tools and you will understand what I am asking.

      To everyone, everything that was available. It was worth it once and for all to show that it was impossible to shoot down Russian planes in any way. And Erdogan would have eaten it as cute, and would understand everything at once for it is intelligible and in a language he understands hi
    6. NEXUS
      NEXUS 27 November 2015 00: 47 New
      +1
      Quote: Hello

      To everyone, everything that was available. It was worth it once and for all to show that it was impossible to shoot down Russian planes in any way. And Erdogan would have eaten it as cute, and would understand everything at once for it is intelligible and in a language he understands

      What exactly? On the border with Syria, the Turks have about a hundred fighters and air defense systems. Send our bombers all that is in Latakia with a cover of 4 SU-30s to Turkey? And do you think the Turks would sit and wait for us to bomb out? I think not and fighters would pick up and we would watch another chronicle of our bombers falling. The cruiser Moscow can’t hit the ground, because it stupidly has NO complexes on board such. Caliber them from the Caspian? Turks have fighter interceptors and they would just intercept missiles our.
      In fact, at that time we didn’t have weapons or complexes with which to retaliate. Well, it didn’t happen! You see? Maybe Yars and the Clubs. But then we will talk about the Third World War.
      Our entire VKS group in Syria is imprisoned for fighting ISIS, and not with an enemy who has its own air defense and fighter aircraft in good numbers. That is why there are many bombers and attack aircraft in Latakia, and there are only 4 fighters.
    7. jPilot
      jPilot 27 November 2015 05: 41 New
      +1
      You are absolutely right, and don’t waste your nerves, otherwise the “scar” will be
  • vandarus
    vandarus 26 November 2015 21: 34 New
    +2
    Sorry, but the way our "guarantor" answers is the answer of the haberdashery, not the cardinal. The answer should have been instant and tough, right up to a strike at the F-16 airfield. Even at the risk of a conflict with NATO (although something tells me that they would have gone to the "bazaar") And even if we assume that the attack is SU-24 is this an initiative of only Erodogan, will now all NATO with interest wait for the reaction of the Russian Federation swallowed or not? And in their minds the thought is now taking shape that Russians can be knocked down, there will be no answer to drown. And this means that an armed conflict with NATO is becoming inevitable.
  • vsoltan
    vsoltan 26 November 2015 23: 07 New
    +1
    We're the same blood… :)
  • vsoltan
    vsoltan 26 November 2015 23: 06 New
    0
    My rest in the Vladimir region.
  • OlegLex
    OlegLex 26 November 2015 20: 52 New
    0
    Oh how !!! Carpet bombing, tactical nuclear weapons, loss of face. Who exactly are you? and where? What is not ours is for sure.
  • Retvizan 8
    Retvizan 8 26 November 2015 21: 36 New
    +1
    And you yourself believe in what you wrote? The answer has already begun, but it’s not yet evening.
    Or are you satisfied with only a nuclear strike on Ankara?
  • epsilon571
    epsilon571 26 November 2015 22: 49 New
    +3
    vsoltan (4) SU Today, 20:17 ↑
    Wrong .. For too long, the GDP has been thinking ... the mattresses would have plopped the day before yesterday ...


    From the whole forum you are the only person who understands the consequences of the gas policy of our oligarchs. We lose one slap in the face after another. I don’t forgive Donbass at all, I'm afraid it will not be the best way with Syria. Where is our fucking coalition, Kazakhstan, India, China? We agree with the French, we call Americans the partners, tfu, and it all ends with another tomato war, and the fact that some smelly Erdogan spits in our face under general applause! I am sure that if the conditions on which Russia concluded an agreement on a nuclear power station and gas in Turkey were brought to the people in time, then there would be no limit to the indignation of the people. I'm afraid that this time we will have to wipe ourselves, because according to Mr. Medvedev, with the support of the President: "You can't change anything, it's wrong."
  • marlin1203
    marlin1203 26 November 2015 23: 59 New
    0
    Enough about tactical nuclear strikes already. No one has ever done this after World War II. It is strange to hear this from the marshal.
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS 27 November 2015 00: 02 New
      +1
      Quote: marlin1203
      Enough about tactical nuclear strikes already. No one has ever done this after World War II. It is strange to hear this from the marshal.

      If this is you to me, then read my posts carefully and show where I talked about the use of nuclear weapons. I asked the person a question - what did we need to answer immediately to sabotage? Because from non-nuclear weapons at that time there was nothing suitable at hand working on Given the air defense and the Turkish air force, there were no bombers, because there was no cover. 4 SU-30 vs. 100 F-16 is not a cover. And the cruiser Moscow does not have complexes capable of working on the ground.
      Therefore, there was no immediate response to this diversion.
  • Retvizan 8
    Retvizan 8 26 November 2015 21: 30 New
    +1
    Yes, Russia has many enemies today Mother!
    For a long time jackals in the face did not receive, here again fear and lost!
  • Vita vko
    Vita vko 26 November 2015 18: 56 New
    16
    In fact, official apologies and compensations were too easy for Erdogan. But fools do not look for easy ways. Demands from Turkey are not small, and relations with the EU are the same as in Ukraine, so the slide of the economy to the Ukrainian level will be quite fast. And then Ermogan’s barmalei will eat his own.
    1. Spnsr
      Spnsr 26 November 2015 21: 07 New
      +2
      Quote: Vita VKO
      In fact, official apologies and compensations were too easy for Erdogan. But fools do not look for easy ways. Demands from Turkey are not small, and relations with the EU are the same as in Ukraine, so the slide of the economy to the Ukrainian level will be quite fast. And then Ermogan’s barmalei will eat his own.

      and if you add a bearded “moderate opposition”, so to speak, which should be driven out of Syria and Iraq ...?
    2. vsoltan
      vsoltan 26 November 2015 23: 28 New
      +2
      Oh, I would like to ... I hope that our people will also take a hot part ... what thread is the next flower and fruit revolution ... but what is not an option?
  • Persistent
    Persistent 26 November 2015 19: 02 New
    +8
    B..b, we also have to apologize to this pus?
    Just about ... l, or what?


    He made friends with parashenko !!! laughing

    And I forgot the history of the idiot ... How Ushakov raped them in all poses !!!!
    1. Sibbars
      Sibbars 26 November 2015 19: 06 New
      +4
      Quote: Persistent
      B..b, we also have to apologize to this pus?
      Just about ... l, or what?

      He made friends with parashenko !!! laughing


      Feels the inevitability of punishment. Most likely it is already in full swing.
      1. DON-100
        DON-100 26 November 2015 19: 22 New
        +1
        Quote: SibBars
        Feels the inevitability of punishment.

        On the contrary, Erdogan understood very well that Russia gave slack and therefore behaves so impudently and impudently. He already realized that there would be no decent, adequate answer, and he wanted to sneeze on all economic sanctions, especially since they would hit Russia no less than Turkey.
        1. good7
          good7 26 November 2015 19: 32 New
          -2
          I completely agree, but in the comments half of the naive people.
        2. NEXUS
          NEXUS 26 November 2015 19: 38 New
          +7
          Quote: DON-100
          On the contrary, Erdogan understood very well that Russia gave slack and therefore behaves so impudently and impudently. He already realized that there would be no decent, adequate answer, and he wanted to sneeze on all economic sanctions, especially since they would hit Russia no less than Turkey.

          You dear, you have scratched stupidity here. If these are your thoughts, it would be better if they rested at the bottom of your conceit.
          Only a day has passed! Smart people immediately realized that there would be no instant answer, if only because more than 10 of our citizens were resting and working in Turkey. And also, the air forces in Syria were simply not prepared for what was nearby there will be such an enemy. Now the S-000 systems will be transferred to Syria, electronic warfare systems and soon the fighter part of the airborne forces will be strengthened. But this will take time.
          And you, like that comrade with his pants down, who runs to push, realizing that with such diarrhea he simply will not have time to run, yells and makes indecent sounds.
          1. DON-100
            DON-100 26 November 2015 19: 46 New
            +6
            Respected Nexus, henceforth choose expressions when communicating with people, especially since I did not hurt you. I expressed my point of view and have every right to do so. Your opinion about what I have expressed does not interest me at all.
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS 26 November 2015 19: 50 New
              +3
              Quote: DON-100
              Respected Nexus, henceforth choose expressions when communicating with people, especially since I did not hurt you. I expressed my point of view and have every right to do so. Your opinion about what I have expressed does not interest me at all.

              Dear DON-100, your statement is insulting towards the dead. They have not yet been interred, but you sit and plague you with a smart look, but simply verbally. And therefore, you personally hurt me by your post. Therefore, I answered you how replied.
              1. DON-100
                DON-100 26 November 2015 20: 13 New
                +8
                Quote: NEXUS
                Dear DON-100, your statement is insulting towards the dead. They have not yet been interred, but you sit and plague you with a smart look, but simply verbally. And therefore, you personally hurt me by your post. Therefore, I answered you how replied.

                In my post there is no hint of insulting the dead, you see what you see. I mourn for them no less than any normal citizen of our country. There is no need to confuse our politicians and the military, I absolutely have no doubt in the military’s determination.
                Wait and see, I would be glad to make a mistake, time will tell.
              2. Spnsr
                Spnsr 26 November 2015 21: 25 New
                +1
                Quote: DON-100
                DON-100

                you don’t understand yet, GDP, a person who doesn’t lock up on money ... this is about
                they’ll hit Russia no less than Turkey.
                of course he thinks about people, but for this he has rulers on the ground, he is more concerned with the face of Russia, and the situation
                they’ll hit Russia no less than Turkey.
                It will be a lesson for us, Russia, to build an economy so as not to fall into such ticks!
                it will continue so that evil will devour itself! ...
            2. Stepan stepanovich
              Stepan stepanovich 26 November 2015 21: 39 New
              +2
              On the contrary, Erdogan understood very well that Russia gave slack and therefore behaves so impudently and impudently. He already realized that there would be no decent, adequate answer, and he wanted to sneeze on all economic sanctions, especially since they would hit Russia no less than Turkey.

              NEXUS - Take off your misted glasses!
              Where is the insult to the dead?
              Or fall, aggravation?
          2. go21zd45few
            go21zd45few 26 November 2015 20: 00 New
            -2
            My cat Lexus has more brains than your Nexus. When you write a comment, you need to think with your brains and not your ass.
          3. viscount
            viscount 26 November 2015 20: 00 New
            0
            If you took up the "pen" and in your case the keyboard, then be aware of the opinions expressed there will be different opinions, many diametrically opposed! So don’t need to build yourself out of touch !!!
          4. KaPToC
            KaPToC 26 November 2015 20: 00 New
            -1
            You do not have the full right to write what you want, you do not have, no one has such a right.
            1. Spnsr
              Spnsr 26 November 2015 21: 13 New
              +1
              Quote: KaPToC
              You do not have the full right to write what you want, you do not have, no one has such a right.

              nickname reminded laughing
            2. KaPToC
              KaPToC 26 November 2015 22: 08 New
              0
              Your humor is so subtle that it is not visible.
            3. EFA
              EFA 26 November 2015 23: 01 New
              +1
              Aptly! A plus! lol
      2. jaroff
        jaroff 26 November 2015 20: 12 New
        +1
        But in order to bring down another of our aircraft, the Turks will not need much time. Such an option cannot be ruled out.
        And then what?
  • Sashka
    Sashka 26 November 2015 19: 12 New
    +9
    Quote: Persistent
    B..b, we also have to apologize to this pus?
    Just about ... l, or what?
    Here .... That's what they are waiting for such a reaction. Well, after all, the blind can see that they are clearly provoking, running into. They have already been hit below the belt by a Turkish stream and tourists. We look forward to continuing. Security officers understand such things. It's only the beginning. Good day to all.
  • Sober
    Sober 26 November 2015 22: 04 New
    0
    Quote: Baikonur
    should we also apologize to this pus?

    Dear Baikonur. No need to worry so much. Everyone knows: if it does not sink, it is pumped into a cesspool machine, among other things
  • Asadullah
    Asadullah 26 November 2015 22: 41 New
    0
    B..b, we also have to apologize to this pus?
    Just about ... l, or what?


    laughing You did not correctly understand the message dear! Erdogan hints at the mattresses, supposedly hinted, almost demanded, and when the job was done, they started yelling: we didn’t mean it! If he freaked out, then disentangle.

    But this is something else, the very thing will begin when the Kurds have MANPADS. For example, Armenian.
  • Yuyuka
    Yuyuka 26 November 2015 23: 16 New
    0
    B..b, we also have to apologize to this pus?
    Just about ... l, or what?


    Well, why so not gentlemanly? as soon as the navigator was taken out, we immediately apologized - see Konoshenkov! He said to the Russians in white: "Our aircraft continuously apologized for eight hours, and then the Syrian army joined us in apology with the help of the" apologizing installations "set by Russia hi And if someone didn’t accept our apologies - we are a wild country, barbarians, for them we will repeat the apologies with great pleasure repeat
  • sever.56
    sever.56 26 November 2015 18: 33 New
    96
    http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2015/978/bumz861.png

    - "Recep runs into rudeness,
    He’s striving to offend us all "...

    In vain he was so thoughtless. Here, we put new "pipes" to him, for starters.
    And there may be something else to offer ...
    1. Persistent
      Persistent 26 November 2015 18: 56 New
      +5
      In vain he was so thoughtless. Here, we put new "pipes" to him, for starters.

      Respect Valery !!!


      The request to write your name with a capital letter, and then inconvenient to read it with a small ... hi
    2. marna
      marna 26 November 2015 18: 59 New
      +5
      Quote: sever.56
      In vain he was so thoughtless.

      By no means, everything is thought out, prepared, executed. It acts strictly according to the "instruction manual" - to blame everything from a bad mind to a healthy one, in the best traditions of ukroimbicycles. Therefore, they shot our pilots during the bailout so that there were no witnesses. It did not work out to get rid of the witnesses - nothing, all the same, they will speak white on black, but they will get away from specific questions and not get used to it.
  • Now we are free
    Now we are free 26 November 2015 18: 37 New
    42
    For ... sia (played up) Erdogan is confused in the testimony and this is understandable, they threw him into NATO so that now Erdogan is naked ... and NO ONE will harness for him. From the west, Turkey has “Friend” Greece and Cyprus, from the east from Turkey “Friends” Iran and Armenia, from the south from Turkey “Friends” Syria and Kurds, from the north / south now Turkey has “Very Big Friend” Russia ... The Arabs, by the way, Erdogan also on ... did not give up.

    Wait, the most NISHTIAK for Turkey will begin when all the tourists from Russia leave it ...
    1. vorobey
      vorobey 26 November 2015 18: 46 New
      26
      Quote: Now we are free
      Wait, the most NISHTIAK for Turkey will begin when all the tourists from Russia leave it ...


      well, you all attacked him .. he wants an apology - we have them for him ... The polite C400 says they have already turned around to apologize ... the navigator of the shot-down Su also asks to be left in the ranks to apologize ... the 8 hour watch there are already apologies for the videoconferencing group on the network and I think they will continue ... well, the person wants an apology .. we will be polite and we will apologize ... We have won over 39 business Turks right from the UGagro exhibition for violating the migration regime ... now it remains for small .. each of us apologize ... find a way is not a problem ... laughing
      1. Baloo
        Baloo 26 November 2015 19: 19 New
        17
        I apologize to the Fuhrer of Turkey that I never bought Turkish tomatoes, because it is a genetically modified product on hydroponics (pure chemistry) and also tasteless, I apologize for having never been to Turkey and will not even go for free, don’t, don’t call. And medicine in Turkey is the same as their bazaars. I have never seen a patient after treatment in Turkey without defects in the provision of care, whether it be a child or an adult.

        Good news: During the clashes in Syria, the brigadier general of the Syrian Free Army Rashid Baghdash was eliminated.
        This was reported by foreign media. According to available information, Baghdash from the side of the Turkish militants coordinated the actions of the Turkish military to destroy the Russian Su-24.
        Izv, it happened. It was necessary for the general to sit at home.

        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 26 November 2015 19: 24 New
          +9
          Quote: Balu
          -kill the general who led

          So they started- "FIND AND DRAIN." I look forward to the “sad” news from Qatar about the sudden death of the customers of the attack on Sinai.
        2. Russiamoy
          Russiamoy 26 November 2015 21: 08 New
          0
          I agree with you all 100. A few years ago I went to the hospital (SARS with complication) in Turkey. at home for a long time they laughed with other doctors at the actions of their doctors. having a certain relationship with medicine, I know what I'm saying.
          ps never went, always rested in Europe. girlfriend, the hostess of the travel agency, for several years persuaded for the sake of small children to go, there is paradise. was one and only time. I still don’t understand what is being so praised there. there were a million cons.)
        3. Serhio
          Serhio 26 November 2015 22: 45 New
          0
          And he, of course, was also warned 10 times that doing this is not good? lol
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    2. goblin xnumx
      goblin xnumx 26 November 2015 18: 47 New
      +3
      and not everyone is going to leave Turkey - President of the Moscow Lokomotiv Olga Smorodskaya said that the club does not intend to refuse to hold training camps in Turkey.
      “I will not refuse fees,” said Smorodskaya
      Read more: https://eadaily.com/news/2015/11/26/lokomotiv-ne-otkazhetsya-ot-sborov-v-turcii
      1. Corsair
        Corsair 26 November 2015 18: 52 New
        18
        Quote: Leshy74
        “I will not refuse fees,” said Smorodskaya

        laughing she whistles, an order comes from above and sticks her tongue in the house and admits that she was wrong. Just TP still did not understand what garbage is unfolding in that direction
      2. dr. sem
        dr. sem 26 November 2015 19: 00 New
        +6
        This woman is that crazy ???
      3. veksha50
        veksha50 26 November 2015 19: 18 New
        11
        Quote: Leshy74
        “I will not refuse fees,” said Smorodskaya



        Hmm ... But the Serbian team refused ...

        That’s the question for Smorodskaya - who is the greatest patriot of Russia - she, with a Russian passport (or maybe she has another citizenship?), Or Serbs, citizens of another country ???
    3. jovanni
      jovanni 26 November 2015 18: 49 New
      11
      Yes, no one threw him into NATO. Approved and supported.
      "... Turkish authorities say that the plane violated the country's airspace. NATO Secretary General said on the eve that the Alliance has data confirming this version.
      "The Russian Foreign Ministry has already explained that it is not worth waiting for objectivity from NATO in the situation with the downed Su-24."
      1. Corsair
        Corsair 26 November 2015 18: 56 New
        +7
        Quote: Jovanni
        Yes, no one threw him into NATO. Approved and supported.

        The black lord immediately declared that they warned, they themselves were to blame, nefig flying near the borders, etc. And Europeans - they only when they knead understand something.
        Now everyone is sitting watching the reaction, different nishtyaks have turned down from the provocation, the South Stream is likely to be curtailed, they will replace the small business business with China-business ... Germany with the Nord Stream will be twice as likely to press its southern EU colleagues.
      2. veksha50
        veksha50 26 November 2015 19: 19 New
        +4
        Quote: Jovanni
        NATO Secretary General said on the eve that the Alliance has data confirming this version.



        Everything is as always ... The objective data of the Russian Defense Ministry and the Syrian air defense mean nothing to them ...
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 26 November 2015 19: 28 New
          +5
          Quote: veksha50
          Everything is as always ... The objective data of the Russian Defense Ministry and the Syrian air defense mean nothing to them ...

          Remember what Churchill said (in my opinion) -He is of course a bastard, but this is our bastard. Hence the whole State Department policy.
          And there is one statement of this politician, which is perfectly applicable to Erdogan- When the eagles are silent, parrots are chatting.
          1. veksha50
            veksha50 27 November 2015 09: 55 New
            0
            Quote: NEXUS
            He’s a bastard, of course, but he’s our bastard.



            The phrase is eternal ... Roosevelt expressed it to the dictator Somosa (Nicaragua), he only had in mind the son of a dog, the other president (I don’t remember who - but just as a bastard - to Pope Duke (Duvalier - Tahiti) ... But the essence remains the same ...
    4. sharp-lad
      sharp-lad 26 November 2015 23: 39 New
      0
      I would like to add nishtyakov!
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    1. SRC P-15
      SRC P-15 26 November 2015 18: 42 New
      +5
      According to Erdogan, if there will be a “new violation of the Turkish air borders”, then the country's air force will answer similar.

      Answer, as you answer, for our DRYING! am
      1. Same lech
        Same lech 26 November 2015 18: 47 New
        11
        Answer, as you answer, for our DRYING!


        Last Wednesday, a number of Turkish media outraged that in the Syrian town of Azaz, five kilometers from the border with Turkey, Russian bombers (and whose else!) Attacked a humanitarian convoy. 20 trucks were burned, 7 people were killed, 10 injured.


        Already answered ...
        unknown planes .... heh heh bombed a humanitarian convoy carrying weapons, explosives, medicines and other trifles for ISIS .... unlucky democracy fighters in SYRIA ... bummer, you know.
        1. Corsair
          Corsair 26 November 2015 19: 00 New
          +5
          Quote: The same Lech
          unknown planes .... heh heh bombed a humanitarian convoy carrying weapons, explosives, medicines and other trifles for ISIS .... unlucky democracy fighters in SYRIA ... bummer, you know.

          It’s not good in a good way ... it would be nice to roll a Turkish plane near the border of Turkey and say that it flew into Syria ... Or a Turkish ship to drown in Syria, only these Turks will not come close to the borders - unless Baraka gives direct instructions.
        2. veksha50
          veksha50 26 November 2015 19: 22 New
          +5
          Quote: The same Lech
          Already answered ...



          Hmm ... Almost at the same time, ours destroyed a column of oil tanks and over 500 Turkish soldiers guarding it ...

          And according to media reports, the village, the people from which scoffed and danced over the body of the Su-24 pilot, has already been wiped off the face of the earth ...
          1. Same lech
            Same lech 26 November 2015 19: 53 New
            -2
            The representative of the Ministry of Defense also denied information about the destruction of humanitarian aid convoy from Turkey by Russian airstrikes in Syria. Konashenkov called reports of this "informational stuffing." It was reported that the planes of the Russian Air Force attacked a convoy with humanitarian aid, 7 people were killed, at least 10 wounded.

            what But ...
            1. veksha50
              veksha50 27 November 2015 09: 58 New
              0
              Quote: The same Lech
              But ...



              Not "however," but these are two different things... Gumkonvoy was destroyed in the border town, forgot its name, there were only about 20 cars there ...

              But the column of oil tanks was destroyed on the march ...

              PS All this - and humconvoy, and the column, and the village - were destroyed on the same day ...
        3. opus
          opus 26 November 2015 20: 03 New
          +6
          Quote: The same Lech
          Already answered ...

          in Sarmada, next to the # Turkey- # Syria border, it's “fun” right now.



          Heavy Russian Airstrikes on Sarmada Near Turkey-Syria Border Area

          I won’t be surprised if General Rashid Baghdash:


          went to shaitan

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  • Vend
    Vend 26 November 2015 18: 43 New
    16
    Quote: oleg-gr
    Turkish "Sultan" runs into rudeness. It is evident that the uncles behind him promised a lot or hold well for the Faberge. They will only throw it when they lock it.

    It is evident time to satisfy the request of Cyprus for a military base. And just do your duty to protect the territory of Cyprus. And the Greeks begin to shoot down Turkish planes, just doing their duty.
    1. veksha50
      veksha50 26 November 2015 19: 25 New
      +1
      Quote: Wend
      Yes, and the Greeks begin to shoot down Turkish planes,



      Well, all Greeks, Greeks ... We must not forget that both these countries - Greece and Turkey, which are antagonists of each other and hate each other fiercely, are members of NATO ...

      So to say, "love" hugs with trembling from hatred for each other ...

      Correctly someone in his comment said: if the Greeks shot down every Turkish plane flying into their territory, then the Turkish Air Force would have only paper planes made by schoolchildren ...
      1. a housewife
        a housewife 26 November 2015 20: 49 New
        +1
        Is the Republic of Cyprus also a member of NATO?
        1. veksha50
          veksha50 27 November 2015 10: 02 New
          0
          Quote: housewife
          Is the Republic of Cyprus also a member of NATO?



          Read the question I commented on again ...
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  • Persistent
    Persistent 26 November 2015 18: 52 New
    +6
    Erdogan: If someone should apologize, then definitely not we ...

    If such a cool outpouring "smoked" apologize !!! And blah blah nefig ....
  • dauria
    dauria 26 November 2015 19: 20 New
    +6
    Turkish "Sultan" runs into rudeness.


    Eh, Erdogasha, although you are filth, but you only know what? Go, the eyes in the eyes of our government. They will endure where to go. Gas stations and refineries "Lukoil", the public heritage of "Gazprom", retail chains and the tourist industry, nuclear power plants and so on trifles.
    How will they throw it? They will rub off. Ah, rating? Yes, they’ll come up with a “victorious” thread. They are traders, not a drift, the Sultan. Brezhnev was the last soldier, so he died.
    Tfu, I’m ashamed to watch TV ....
  • Dr dron
    Dr dron 26 November 2015 20: 59 New
    0
    Quote: oleg-gr
    Turkish "Sultan" runs into rudeness.


    Let this Turkish sultan re-read letters to his ancestors ...
  • Yars
    Yars 26 November 2015 21: 59 New
    0
    Quote: oleg-gr
    Turkish "Sultan" runs into rudeness. It is evident that the uncles behind him promised a lot or hold well for the Faberge. They will only throw it when they lock it.

    trouble that Erdogan fool does not understand this ..... as they say "learns from his mistakes and smart from strangers"
  • BMP-2
    BMP-2 27 November 2015 00: 32 New
    +1
    If someone does not want to apologize, well, then let him apologize: he asked for it! angry
  • Private Starley
    Private Starley 27 November 2015 05: 35 New
    0
    hang ...
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  • Mahmut
    Mahmut 26 November 2015 18: 32 New
    26
    Erdogan: If someone should apologize, then definitely not we ...

    But he is right. This is not a mistake, but a deliberate act of aggression. So why apologize, and who the hell needs his apology. They do not apologize for this, but pay. (from the word crying)
  • INVESTOR
    INVESTOR 26 November 2015 18: 35 New
    +2
    What a formidable sultan. fellow
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  • Persistent
    Persistent 26 November 2015 18: 44 New
    +7
    Simple practice. the mattresses again threw another six at the barricades. The remaining six are thrilled.

    When next year the Turkish business does not count several million of our tourists ... He will be imprisoned !!!! And they will be right. You can not be rude to those who feed you !! Better shoot your prime minister who gave the order to kill our guys ...

    Complement ..

    Russia decided to apply global sanctions to Turkey, immediately depriving Ankara of a significant part of GDP against the background of the crisis in the Turkish economy. Russia will close all Turkish projects, ask the Turks “home”, and also close markets, sky and ports.

    Oh, and the Turks will cost you the death of the Russian Officer !!!!
  • Per se.
    Per se. 26 November 2015 18: 50 New
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    Quote: Enot_33
    Simple practice. the mattresses again threw another six at the barricades.
    Turkey has always been used by England against Russia, now the overseas miscarriage of Britain and the USA has already begun to use the Turks. Pit, substitute, fight with the wrong hands, this vile tribe of Anglo-Saxons is a longtime master. The states need a conflict, and the Turks here began to do their job of exposing Russia as an aggressor (now, most likely, the Turks will already try to set up their planes, especially since we announced the suppression of threats, there will be Turkish pilots, “martyrs”, and again to blame Russia). We still have problems with the Bandera people who are waiting in the wings of the former Ukraine, and if you get Turkey to get a reason to close the straits, even restrict the passage of our ships, this may immediately coincide with the start of the resumption of hostilities in the Donbass, and provocations against Crimea (not excluding armed). Actually, the fact that the States brazenly entered Ukraine, the events in Syria, everything is against Russia, for the sake of this, everything was started. We'll have to put dots over the "i", solve a long-standing problem ...
    1. ViktorKarelin
      ViktorKarelin 26 November 2015 19: 21 New
      +1
      This, in my opinion, is the most offensive - they won’t give us a peaceful life. As soon as ours do not try to delay (prevent) a possible conflict with NATO, we do not swallow the provocations and banter in our address (they, they take it for weakness). The campaign cannot avoid the worst, no matter how hard we try, they are swollen to the edge !!! And my wife and I want a child ... as now ...
      1. a housewife
        a housewife 26 November 2015 20: 54 New
        0
        In our country, there are rarely calm years. Now refuse children, or what? We already have a very small population.
  • Danafxnumx
    Danafxnumx 26 November 2015 18: 52 New
    +4
    Quote: Enot_33
    Simple practice. the mattresses again threw another six at the barricades. The remaining six are thrilled.

    and if we glaze the six, the remaining six will be * bricks faster than the owner or slower?
  • NEXUS
    NEXUS 26 November 2015 18: 58 New
    +7
    Quote: Enot_33
    Simple practice. the mattresses again threw another six at the barricades. The remaining six are thrilled.

    The best defense is an attack. Observe a small, vicious nasty mongrel ... it bends, barks, but its tail runs up to the chest and shakes all over. This rat behaves like that.
    I will be very curious to listen to this geek when they begin to bring down his planes, when they completely block the flow of gratuitous oil from Syria, when the Russian embargo on everything Turkish begins to affect the Turks and their income, as well as when Turkish tourism begins to suffer losses. they will hang their own for a causal place.
  • Yura
    Yura 26 November 2015 19: 06 New
    +3
    Quote: Enot_33
    Simple practice. mattresses again threw another six on the barricades

    Yes, it seems here or it just seems to me that here is somewhat different - Erdogan decided for some reason that he is a poker player and can cover everything on his own, and the United States is now sort of slowly exhaling after a deep sigh of surprise, as well as calculating than that it will end, by Turkey alone or they will be hooked too.
  • good7
    good7 26 November 2015 19: 28 New
    +1
    Naive, Erdogan Six? Cancer Turks have bent over the whole Middle East and part of Europe, they do what they want, when they want and where they want! Everything was planned in advance to report to the igil, we are not afraid of the Russians, we will protect you. They also need to report to business partners!
  • Alexey Boukin
    Alexey Boukin 26 November 2015 20: 27 New
    +1
    Quote: Enot_33
    Simple practice. the mattresses again threw another six at the barricades. The remaining six are thrilled.

    This is the height of cynicism. After such words, the attitude to this "undersultan" should be adequate.
  • Lepila
    Lepila 26 November 2015 20: 38 New
    +3
    Not so simple . Americans are extremely concerned about Turkey’s Islamist metamorphosis. Another thing is that Obama is too weak a president to replace Perdogan, who has gone too far.
    1. Russiamoy
      Russiamoy 26 November 2015 21: 18 New
      +1
      Do you think everything is decided by the president? Does he not represent the interests of a certain political force?
      1. Lepila
        Lepila 26 November 2015 21: 58 New
        +1
        Not all, but a lot. All Republicans and many Democrats are shocked by Obama, but nothing can be done. To endure for them (and us) for another whole year ...
  • Maj.
    Maj. 26 November 2015 21: 38 New
    +1
    They are officially six-G 7, of the seven Obama / and the remaining six are Obama.
  • vell.65
    vell.65 26 November 2015 21: 57 New
    0
    Quote: Enot_33
    Simple practice. the mattresses again threw another six at the barricades. The remaining six are thrilled.

    All these six mattresses just take advantage of, and then freebie loot for cheap oil suddenly breaks off? As an excuse for the Turks, only this phrase has to be said. Block the entire Syrian border with the Turks and neither you need oil and arms supplies, together with manpower, to I think provocations at the border will continue in the future, but this is my personal opinion.
  • YARUSSIAN39
    YARUSSIAN39 26 November 2015 23: 24 New
    0
    I look at this Turk completely baked, since he makes such statements, I propose to provide the Greeks with good air defense, then let the Turks apologize to them for violating the airspace am wassat bully
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  • Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 26 November 2015 18: 27 New
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    Medvedev: From December 30, we completely terminate trade relations with Turkey.
    Ulyukaev: We still need to stop the communication with Turkey ...
    1. 79807420129
      79807420129 26 November 2015 18: 32 New
      22
      Quote: Lord of the Sith
      Medvedev: From December 30, we completely terminate trade relations with Turkey.
      Ulyukaev: We still need to stop the communication with Turkey ...

      The bear and Ulukay were the only once in their lives who expressed smart thoughts, but first, 10000 potential hostages must be taken out of Turkey.
      1. Dr. Bormental
        Dr. Bormental 26 November 2015 19: 00 New
        +9
        Potential hostages? You won’t lure these puzogreys from there. In KP there was an article - for a month people are resting there. Then the problems will begin - the Ministry of Emergency Situations will take them out at our expense (and there are about 7000 of them). And what-for everything paid -TAGIIIL !.
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      3. dr. sem
        dr. sem 26 November 2015 19: 04 New
        +2
        About the hostages. If anything, you need to act like a Mossad ... Quickly, brazenly, on the territory of the enemy, do not take prisoners ...
    2. Dr. Bormental
      Dr. Bormental 26 November 2015 18: 39 New
      +7
      Our politicians waggle their tongues much ... stop when - thank you say. And their self-promotion is of no interest to anyone
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    4. 3axap82
      3axap82 26 November 2015 18: 41 New
      23
      I have a medical question ... did Medvedev have a brain implanted or eggs sewn?
      1. vorobey
        vorobey 26 November 2015 18: 51 New
        +4
        Quote: 3axap82
        Was Medvedev implanted with a brain or eggs were sewn?


        The leader promised that he would not allow it if someone offended women and children ...
        1. 3axap82
          3axap82 26 November 2015 19: 04 New
          0
          Well, everything can now be offended (to resign and work on the truck)))
      2. Danafxnumx
        Danafxnumx 26 November 2015 18: 58 New
        +2
        Quote: 3axap82
        I have a medical question ... did Medvedev have a brain implanted or eggs sewn?

        and 08.08.08 what they sewed him? Although no one likes the bear, it’s definitely not so simple ...
        1. 3axap82
          3axap82 26 November 2015 19: 03 New
          +6
          08.08.08 I was unloved by the prime minister, Putin, he ruined everything and we must pay tribute, he is a big and serious man.
          1. Danafxnumx
            Danafxnumx 26 November 2015 19: 06 New
            0
            Quote: 3axap82
            08.08.08 I was unloved by the prime minister, Putin, he ruined everything and we must pay tribute, he is a big and serious man.

            who then made the final decision we do not know ...
            Moreover, Medvedev has repeatedly proved that a man is serious and touchy (despite his pretty appearance) ...
            1. 3axap82
              3axap82 26 November 2015 19: 38 New
              0
              Putin - St. Petersburg; Medvedev-Mordorsky))) Seriously, then ...
              Your position is worthy of respect, consistently protect the person.
              1. Danafxnumx
                Danafxnumx 27 November 2015 10: 16 New
                0
                Quote: 3axap82
                Putin - St. Petersburg; Medvedev-Mordorsky))) Seriously, then ...
                Your position is worthy of respect, consistently protect the person.

                not that I defend him ... I really can’t stand the bear, he reminds me of a rooster, but his fierce criticism is the stupidity of pure water, because we really do not know what happened then and in what conditions it works now ...
                1. 3axap82
                  3axap82 27 November 2015 11: 25 New
                  0
                  I hasten to laugh at him, otherwise I would have to cry. Pierre Augustin Petrosyan ... Beaumarchais.)))
      3. NEXUS
        NEXUS 26 November 2015 19: 05 New
        +2
        Quote: 3axap82
        I have a medical question ... did Medvedev have a brain implanted or eggs sewn?

        Neither one nor the other ... his male reproductive organ suddenly grew. hi
        1. 3axap82
          3axap82 26 November 2015 19: 41 New
          +2
          Well then, we are waiting for the crown prime minister!)))
      4. Yura
        Yura 26 November 2015 19: 24 New
        +1
        Quote: 3axap82
        I have a medical question ... did Medvedev have a brain implanted or eggs sewn?

        Please specify the question, the brain in the scrotum or eggs to the brain? Otherwise, you will not find the answer even among the luminaries of medicine. request
    5. veksha50
      veksha50 26 November 2015 19: 29 New
      +2
      Quote: Lord of the Sith
      Medvedev: S 30 December we completely terminate trade relations with Turkey.


      Question: why since December 30, and not yesterday ???
      1. 3axap82
        3axap82 26 November 2015 19: 43 New
        +2
        Russo Turisto must be taken out. And then this indignant oriental and hot, without profit EREKTorat will still begin street pogroms.
  • kimyth1
    kimyth1 26 November 2015 18: 27 New
    13
    Turkish general leading a special operation to destroy a Russian plane killed

    In Turkey, killed the general who led the special operation to destroy the Su-24
    Photo: Pixabay
    NEWS FROM THE PLOT:
    Russian-Turkish relations after the destruction of the aircraft in Syria
    ALL NEWS OF THE PLOT
    General Rashid Baghdash, who coordinated the special operation to destroy the Russian Su-24, was killed.

    The death of the military was reported by the Moscow Talking radio, citing News-Front. No further details of what happened. It is noted that this information has not yet been confirmed.

    Earlier it was reported that the militants who shot the Su-24 pilots could be Turkish nationalists.
    1. kimyth1
      kimyth1 26 November 2015 18: 40 New
      22
      In Syria, a special operation began to return the body of the killed pilot Su-24
      To bury Oleg Peshkov at home, all channels will be involved - both military and diplomatic

      Today at 17: 15, views: 19427
      181472
      To the Lipetsk air center, the townspeople carry candles and flowers. At the entrance there is a photograph of the dead Su-24 pilot Oleg Peshkov. According to some reports, the lieutenant colonel was killed in the air when he catapulted, according to others - he was shot by Islamists already on the ground. To bury a pilot in his homeland, to take his body from the terrorists is a matter of honor for Oleg’s military comrades.

      photo: Gennady Cherkasov
      A terrible video appeared on the network in which armed bearded men shout “Allahu Akbar” near the disfigured body of the deceased pilot. This video mocking the body of a Russian officer appeared on the Internet a few hours after the tragedy. The Russian Foreign Ministry demanded that Turkey explain those who mocked the body.

      It is already known that the Turkish neo-fascist who fought on the side of the Turkoman called himself a murderer.

      "None of these" moderate oppositionists "from the" Turkoman Brigade "will now get away from retaliation, they are now known in person," say the pilot’s colleagues.

      In honor of the Hero of Russia Oleg Peshkov, they are going to name one of the streets of Lipetsk. His body is sought (the savages have set their own terms - so that their accomplices are released from Syrian prisons). We talked with military pilots and experts about the chances that the deceased pilot will be returned to their homeland, what forces will be involved for this.

      Photo: rusvesna.ru
      “We always fight not only for the living, but also for the bodies of dead soldiers to be returned to their homeland and buried with military honors,” said Valery Burkov, military pilot, Hero of the Soviet Union, president of the Heroes of the Fatherland Foundation. - Here the principle applies: die yourself, and help a comrade. And whether he is alive or killed, it no longer matters.

      In Afghanistan, we had a situation where commandos landed on a caravan search, five fighters were cut off from the group. Surrounded by an unequal battle with a whole horde of Dushmans.

      We were raised on alarm, then I was at the army headquarters, they were transferred by helicopters with a group of air gunners to Jalalabad. We flew to a given area, found our fighters, they were all killed. Fight to the last bullet. To take their bodies, a whole special operation was carried out, during which there were losses, but we took all our guys from the pass.

      Moreover, leaving Afghanistan, we took with us many obelisks that were installed at the site of the death of our soldiers.

      - To pick up the dead pilot, both military channels and diplomatic ones will be involved. A special operation is being conducted in which our and Syrian special forces are taking part. For Russia, it’s a matter of honor to return the deceased pilot to the homeland, ”says Colonel Gennady Bakulin, Honored Military Pilot of the Russian Federation.
      1. Same lech
        Same lech 26 November 2015 19: 02 New
        +9
        In the crash zone of the Russian Su-24 bomber in Syria, three militants were eliminated during the fighting. Two of them are identified as Abu Basir al-Britani (British, who fought for the Al-Nusra Front) and Abu Salim, who led the rebel First Coastal Division.
      2. a housewife
        a housewife 26 November 2015 21: 04 New
        0
        And, excuse me, is there anything to take from anyone? It is unlikely that they took the body somewhere. And there our rockets ground everything and everyone. Perhaps no longer find it. crying crying
    2. Ross_ulair
      Ross_ulair 26 November 2015 18: 51 New
      13
      Quote: kimyth1
      General Rashid Baghdash, who coordinated the special operation to destroy the Russian Su-24, was killed.


      But this is very similar to covering the president and prime minister.
      Fortunately, the overwhelming majority of army men have long felt their attitude to the army in their own skin.

      Hence the questions - how long to wait for a military coup and whether or not the current rulers of minds and souls in Turkey will hang in boots or not
      1. veksha50
        veksha50 26 November 2015 19: 35 New
        +3
        Quote: ROSS_Ulair
        But this is very similar to the traces of the president and the prime minister.



        And I would, frankly, be glad if our special services did this ...
  • 79807420129
    79807420129 26 November 2015 18: 28 New
    12
    Quote: RUS96
    Here is the dinda.

    That he has been known to everyone for a long time and to everyone, but the main chiefs are sitting in Fashington and pushing such nits like Poroshenko, baldons and other slaves to spoil Russia than is possible and impossible.
    1. dorz
      dorz 26 November 2015 18: 33 New
      +6
      This is a blow not in the back, but in the face. He wanted to pit Nato and Russia, and to deal with the Kurds under the guise.
  • Wild_grey_wolf
    Wild_grey_wolf 26 November 2015 18: 32 New
    13
    Quote: RUS96
    Here r0 *** n.


    Probably such people already have nothing human in their souls; they have an empty and callous soul. . . he doesn’t even think about where his soul will go. . . just a rotten man, dead.
    1. akmalinin
      akmalinin 26 November 2015 18: 44 New
      +2
      Downed intentionally, you need to punish for it. Do not want to make contact means guilty.
  • SibSlavRus
    SibSlavRus 26 November 2015 18: 46 New
    14
    ... "No" Syrian Turkmens "participated in the attack on our pilots. Our pilots parachuting from a crashed bomber were shot by ultra-right Turkish neo-fascists, Turkish citizens, howling in Syria."

    http://ntv.livejournal.com/426110.html

    #RemoveKebab
  • Mowgli
    Mowgli 26 November 2015 18: 48 New
    +4
    Quote: RUS96
    Here r0 *** n.


    Didn't you know?
    Here, 2010, listen, enjoy:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZXfxvaBXgg
    (Bagdasarov about Turkey in general and about Erdogan in particular)
  • Altona
    Altona 26 November 2015 18: 55 New
    +3
    Quote: RUS96
    Here r0 *** n.

    -----------------
    po.don.ok he ... and his patrons are the same ..
  • Old Schweik
    Old Schweik 26 November 2015 18: 57 New
    +1
    And where is the prefix - full of holes?
    Forgot your Turkish Pasha’s full name? Oh no no no! Not good... wink
  • Bobxnumx
    Bobxnumx 26 November 2015 18: 57 New
    +2
    Erdogan had in mind the United States and Obama personally.
  • forest park 86
    forest park 86 26 November 2015 19: 16 New
    0
    With IT to no purpose to conduct any negotiations. just like "independent" to * count
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  • Egor Sergeevich
    Egor Sergeevich 26 November 2015 19: 29 New
    0
    I have an idea that they are substituting it for the most part. Now the result will be Russian sanctions, constantly being twisted, free oil ends, ordinary Turks will start to howl, then Europe will begin to return refugees and, as a result, a revolution !!! And the revolution near the Russian borders is just what we need !!! And it’s perfectly clear who needs it !!! Namely, it is necessary (with the aim of helping the people of Turkey) to introduce their ships into the Black Sea !!!! Guys - everything is transparent - a year is left for him - maximum !!! You can’t even do anything !!! And most importantly they will say later - see Russians how we helped you !!!!!!!! further only obscene .....
  • Denis Obukhov
    Denis Obukhov 26 November 2015 19: 43 New
    0
    Turks understand only the language of power (C) Suvorov.
  • Denis Obukhov
    Denis Obukhov 26 November 2015 19: 45 New
    +2
    To demand an apology from Erdogan for the downed Russian SU-24 is a big mistake.
    This is the same as asking the SS Sonderkommando to apologize for the burnt Russian or Belarusian village along with all the residents.
    Russia, with its attacks on convoys of oil trucks moving towards Turkey, has made a deadly enemy in the person of Erdogan.
    Not only did Turkey’s dream of partitioning Syria after Russian intervention failed, along with plans to remove President Assad, the foundation for the financial well-being of both Turkey itself and the Erdogan family was further destroyed.
    Now, only Russia's toughest stance towards Turkey, right up to the destruction of any aircraft, surface or submarine vessel or manpower invading Syrian territory, will be the best response to the behavior of an arrogant Turkish mad dog.
    1. good7
      good7 26 November 2015 19: 59 New
      +1
      Turkey has always, always been the enemy! Opponent No. 1 at their general staff was Russia, we are to blame ourselves for not supporting the Greeks at one time! Chechen fighters where licked wounds? The toughest policy of Russia to equip the Kurds with armata tanks, cover them with air from the air and not otherwise, we will get the Caucasian wars anyway, it is better in Turkey. I am sure Iran will support.
      1. sharp-lad
        sharp-lad 26 November 2015 23: 48 New
        0
        Just small arms of different calibers, grenade launchers, anti-tank missiles and man-portable ammunition in limited numbers!
  • Sweles
    Sweles 26 November 2015 19: 56 New
    +3
    what nonsense, who demands an apology? and how can you apologize for death and death intentionally and calmly executed? Russia needs to pay death for death with Turkey.
  • GRAMARI111
    GRAMARI111 26 November 2015 20: 49 New
    +2
    Heinrich Firbrücher "What hid the Kaiser government from German nationals: Armenia 1915"

    p 25

    “The Turkish soldier was the most miserable slave of militarism. By the will of fate being ill-mannered and faithful, he walked, expelled by strikes from huts and barracks. Where he walked, he did not think. A Turkish soldier was beaten like a beast, his family was starving. Dressed in rags, mostly barefoot, sometimes his legs were wrapped in rags ... he was sick with ... typhus, cholera, smallpox, malaria ... "

    p 33

    "The Turkish people are not a cultural people in the broad sense of the word. Its language is at the level of the Negro idiom, but it is an unmatched language for recruiting drills. There can be no talk of literature; what is done in this area is partly a dubious copy from a large treasure Persian and Arabic literature. In addition, Turkish writers used the so-called educated language, which by its bombast is incomprehensible to any simple Turk. The Turks never had their own architecture. They simply destroyed what was left From ancient times. Majestic buildings belong to the pre-Turkish times (Hagia Sophia, Ommayad Mosque) or erected by Christian architects who served at the Sultan. Science on Turkish soil does not take place. A Turk is only able to imitate and even in the most superficial way he cannot to be truly creative in any spiritual field ... "



    Adam Metz "Muslim Renaissance"

    A huge compilation of Arabic sources, done by a Swiss orientalist. It covers from the IX to the XI century and contains a lot of information collected by sections. For example, "Slaves":
    "Of the instructions for buying a good slave" Ibn Butlan (XI century)

    "The price of white slaves rose especially in 10 century, when, due to defeats on the western border, an important source of white slaves was almost completely exhausted - Byzantium and Armenia ... In the rest of the empire, the category of white slaves was limited to Turks and ... Slavs. They were valued above the Türks. "If there is no Slav, then they take the Türk into service," said al-Khvarizmi, "."
    Turks have an honorable second place. By the way, in the same place Armenians were described as bad slaves. Well, slaves are no good among us, what to do.
  • opus
    opus 26 November 2015 21: 10 New
    0
    Quote: RUS96
    Here r0 *** n.

    +
    But in Davos in 2014, he "sang" something completely different.




    Threat I liked Mitya’s comment, very (about both)



    =========================================================== ===
    However, this is the same wink
  • baku1999
    baku1999 26 November 2015 22: 34 New
    0
    ppidorg probably ................
  • S-cream
    S-cream 26 November 2015 18: 25 New
    12
    Wow, Turkish rat. If only I would insert something like "But at the same time, we regret the death of the pilot." No, after all.
    1. GradusHuK
      GradusHuK 26 November 2015 18: 58 New
      +4
      Filths never regret anything for the time being, then they are very liquid spoilers.
      1. subbtin.725
        subbtin.725 26 November 2015 19: 13 New
        +2
        News feeds :
        "On the border with Turkey, the convoy going to Syria was destroyed. What was in the trucks?"
        That's the whole essence of Perdogan’s falsehood.
        1. Enot_33
          Enot_33 26 November 2015 19: 22 New
          +7
          The Turkish humanitarian convoy crossed the border with Syria and penetrated the territory for 19 seconds, "the convoy was warned at least 10 times visually and 2 times on the radio Mayako, the drivers didn’t answer and the FOBs flew into the asses of the trucks. Putin confirmed that Russia defended the borders of Syria, because trucks threatened civilians in Syria, all the drivers managed to eject, but almost all of them were shot in the air by the Kadirmen, one survived and was delivered personally to Erdogan, he was awarded a medal for Courage and Hero of Turkey
  • Expendable
    Expendable 26 November 2015 18: 25 New
    13
    Let it act. I want to see how the Turkish birds will fall from our S-400 and S-300. No wonder they developed it.
    1. kil 31
      kil 31 26 November 2015 18: 40 New
      +6
      Quote: Expendable
      Let it act. I want to see how the Turkish birds will fall from our S-400 and S-300. No wonder they developed it.

      I also want, not only because of revenge, but also because of colleagues on the site from Israel. They constantly say that it is not known how they will prove themselves in the combat situation of the C 300. In addition to firing range, the world knows nothing about them. Maybe they are not as good as you talk about them.
      1. Alexkorzun
        Alexkorzun 26 November 2015 19: 55 New
        0
        But the whole world knows and appreciates the work of Iron Kumpola Domes. Even Canadians pecked at a Jewish divorce and became interested in this child prodigy ... See in Canada a forecast for an abundant pipe fall. To know the forecast for sewer or water pipes?
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  • Mama_Cholli
    Mama_Cholli 26 November 2015 18: 25 New
    +4
    All right says Endorgan. In any case, he accurately repeats what he was whispered across the ocean ...
    1. good7
      good7 26 November 2015 20: 04 New
      0
      Which ocean? Istanbul is the cuisine of Middle East politics; they shouldn’t be asked for advice; do not have illusions that they whispered across the ocean, the Russians knocked out such pieces of territories that they hate us at the genetic level more purely than Nokhchi and Bander!
  • Abakan
    Abakan 26 November 2015 18: 25 New
    13
    pidorg he (people) the country is the same (( fool
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  • wicked pinnochio
    wicked pinnochio 26 November 2015 18: 28 New
    +2
    it is necessary to bring down its owners and aircraft carriers to drown them
  • pexotinec
    pexotinec 26 November 2015 18: 28 New
    +4
    Just the old man's roof slid off. Complete inadequate. He and Poroshenko see something the same insert
  • Monos
    Monos 26 November 2015 18: 28 New
    52
    Your dog’s daughter Erdogan!
    1. 3axap82
      3axap82 26 November 2015 18: 39 New
      +6
      Strong poster!
      1. Monos
        Monos 26 November 2015 19: 55 New
        +4
        Yes. I was hooked too.
  • Riperbahn
    Riperbahn 26 November 2015 18: 28 New
    +4
    Well there is no way. Why apologize there. Crap crap - now apology will not affect the severity of punishment. Unless Erdogash’s lap crawls from Sheremetyevo to the Spasskaya Tower.
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    2. gjv
      gjv 26 November 2015 18: 52 New
      +5
      Do not need his knees in Sheremetyevo!
      Hang it at the gates of Istanbul!
    3. good7
      good7 26 November 2015 19: 40 New
      +3
      You look at the links about S.A. Bagdasarov, look still worse than he predicted. Turks are outright enemies! Live igil your turkey. And Erdogan is a fascist and a murderer!
  • Same lech
    Same lech 26 November 2015 18: 28 New
    25
    At the same time, the Turkish president announced that Turkey will continue to act in the same way. According to Erdogan, if “a new violation of the air borders of Turkey” takes place, the Air Forces of the country will respond in the same way.

    A vivid example is contagious.

    Greece can now calmly shoot down Turkish planes flying every month into its space ...
    CYPRUS..
    SYRIA finally ...
    And we can connect ... a Turkish plane flies to SYRIA for a couple of seconds ... knock down and make innocent eyes .... and what are we request all according to the rules of ERDOGAN.
    1. 0255
      0255 26 November 2015 18: 53 New
      10
      Quote: The same Lech
      At the same time, the Turkish president announced that Turkey will continue to act in the same way. According to Erdogan, if “a new violation of the air borders of Turkey” takes place, the Air Forces of the country will respond in the same way.

      A vivid example is contagious.

      Greece can now calmly shoot down Turkish planes flying every month into its space ...
      CYPRUS..
      SYRIA finally ...

      The Syrians shot down the Turkish Phantom in 2012, that's what Erdogan said then:
  • North
    North 26 November 2015 18: 28 New
    +5
    blood. blood. the Pentagon litter wants blood.
  • gla172
    gla172 26 November 2015 18: 28 New
    10
    To the wall ..... to the wall ...... nothing to talk about ....
  • Vladimir71
    Vladimir71 26 November 2015 18: 28 New
    +8
    Turkish pad_al and how the land wears this scum I hope to see his head in the hands of one of the barmalei on the air. This is the only thing he deserves.
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    1. air force 32
      air force 32 26 November 2015 19: 32 New
      +1
      The most specific comment on this topic!
  • Yellow white
    Yellow white 26 November 2015 18: 30 New
    +1
    Everyone will be rewarded according to their desires!
    sorry not right away ...
    chop off the Ottomans all that is possible!
    The only thing that can come to our side is the overlap of the Bosphorus ... well, and something else hi
    1. viktor561
      viktor561 26 November 2015 18: 39 New
      +3
      overlapping the Bosphorus. - this is a full-fledged war - this will not happen - then Russia will respond military and tough
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    1. B.T.V.
      B.T.V. 26 November 2015 18: 36 New
      +4
      “An angry dog, a cat in general, but the American chain” ?!
  • Neophyte
    Neophyte 26 November 2015 18: 31 New
    +5
    He imagines himself Suleiman the Magnificent? After such a statement, it’s time for Russia not only to patrol the Syrian border, but also provoke a violation by the turbulents and their subsequent destruction!
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  • Dr. Bormental
    Dr. Bormental 26 November 2015 18: 31 New
    +2
    from a silver-footed horse ... well, to what a brazen type ... Some sort of balls, by golly! I’m wondering, now at the Communist Party the news-the summit of the Russian-Turkish is no one canceled here in St. Petersburg in mid-December. Is he coming? If so, then we will arrange for him a "meeting on the Elbe." tfu!
  • gas113
    gas113 26 November 2015 18: 31 New
    +7
    Grunt (EF-18) vs. Grunt (C-400). Americans send EF-18 to Turkey to suppress our S-400. The names of both systems are the same. I put on the S-400
  • Vladimir Lipov
    Vladimir Lipov 26 November 2015 18: 31 New
    +8
    Well, here's the answer to the question of who is who. And some write articles about the cost of a volley of calibers and Onishchenko’s students. Onishchenko’s rights finance domestic production.
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    1. olimpiada15
      olimpiada15 26 November 2015 18: 44 New
      15
      This is what I do not understand, so our tourists in Turkey today.
      What place do they think?
      The situation is extraordinary, one must feet in hands and, before it is too late, and to the airport.
      I will not speak about the category of vacationers, but they are not exactly friends with their heads.
      1. dr. sem
        dr. sem 26 November 2015 19: 13 New
        +3
        Warmed up by z.o.p. and beer belly, bl ... b ....
    2. Dr. Bormental
      Dr. Bormental 26 November 2015 18: 50 New
      +4
      I chose “call a friend,” he said “to Govnuratsiya.” But there is no such answer ... what to do?
      1. a housewife
        a housewife 26 November 2015 21: 18 New
        0
        Try prostitution. There is no name for us, Ukraine, and only a tour ... whatever ... there shouldn’t be at all. They definitely captured this place, like America's tramps. There, all parts of the country belonged to someone before. Armenians, Greeks, Bulgarians, etc. Us wassat straits, the rest - return to the owners.
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    3. good7
      good7 26 November 2015 20: 12 New
      -1
      Erdogan, the terrorist himself and the “friend” of Putin and Assad, but before, when Bagdasarov explained who he was and that he did not believe anyone, and now - everyone was convinced! And these angry comments were killing me earlier when the students protested the cry America made a mistake, hold on to Erdogan, Gulen away from Turkey is an American spy, and now the other way around?
  • FIREMAN
    FIREMAN 26 November 2015 18: 34 New
    +9
    Turkish suburban seams are the very place on the hanger - with a rope loop around his neck, and now let him shove his apologies deeper! SDOCH.E.T. like a dog under the fence when it becomes unnecessary! am
    1. RUS96
      RUS96 26 November 2015 19: 07 New
      +5
      ERDOGAN WILL ALREADY HELP NO NEITHER NATO BLOCK, NO LORD GOD - SATANOVSKY

      The president of the Institute of the Middle East, Evgeny Satanovsky, told Zvezda his point of view on the tragedy with the Russian Su-24. In his opinion, Russia and Turkey under no circumstances will be able to continue the previous relationship.

      “Erdogan apparently forgot that for such actions Turkey for 400 years has lost a significant part of its territory and that fragment that he controls today remains from her.

      We still have to get involved in serious hostilities. The question is how to conduct them, minimizing our losses and achieving results, the results of which we will be afraid to touch.

      Today it is completely clear that Turkey is doing everything to save the terrorists of the Islamic State and other groups. They will be accompanied by our fighters, and any attempt to attack them will occur accordingly.

      It is impossible to hope for Turkey and consider it in any matters as a friendly ally under any circumstances. This means that the project for the construction of nuclear power plants at the expense of Russian $ 20 billion should be discontinued.

      The idea of ​​the Turkish stream, which allows the Turks to blackmail us brazenly, should be closed. It is enough that today the energy balance of Europe is flying downhill.

      And this is after the Turks, namely the Turks, arranged for them a refugee crisis. It is possible that they are behind the terrorist attacks in Paris.

      Normalization of relations may depend on Mr. Erdogan’s understanding that he may turn out to be not an Ataman sultan, but a man who will destroy a country whose construction of economy and positioning in the world he has devoted so much to the world.

      Erdogan must have an understanding that neither the Lord God nor the NATO bloc can help him, ”Satanovsky said.
  • gla172
    gla172 26 November 2015 18: 35 New
    +8
    We will never forgive the death of a pilot and a marine. And this is the point.
  • Prisoner
    Prisoner 26 November 2015 18: 35 New
    +4
    Fell the Turkish parrots, and do not give an apology. Do we need their apologies? We need their blood.
  • viktor561
    viktor561 26 November 2015 18: 35 New
    +6
    Failed mattresses to engage Russia in the war in Ukraine - now they are trying in the Middle East - how we interfere We are in their "world order"
  • BaLaLaykin
    BaLaLaykin 26 November 2015 18: 35 New
    +4
    Syria is beginning to be torn to pieces. They began to pillar the territory, the Americans climb into oil fields, such as with the Kurds. The Turks leave for themselves the borderland. Assad will remain the coast. The Turkish sultan is inadequate and will start a war at any moment, I hope our people understand this and are preparing for it. We will be alone against all
  • Hiw
    Hiw 26 November 2015 18: 36 New
    +6
    but you don’t need to waste your nerves on this Erdogan, you need to act economically, which by the way is the most painful for him, both politically and at the front. And economically it is necessary to personally derail his business, and his son, too, to ruin.
  • barclay
    barclay 26 November 2015 18: 36 New
    17
    The bleating of this hypocrite already resembles a hysterical jerk before an early reckoning.
  • Loner_53
    Loner_53 26 November 2015 18: 39 New
    +2
    Erdogan: If someone should apologize, then definitely not we ...


    He’s cattle, it’s clear, but are we going to bother again? Find a thousand excuses and leave everything as it is? recourseThe main thing is not to leave it unpunished angry
  • arsenks
    arsenks 26 November 2015 18: 39 New
    +1
    It is better to lose a day then fly in 5 minutes. This in the sense of waiting until deployed the S-400 complex and block the airspace of Syria.
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  • Seryoga0629
    Seryoga0629 26 November 2015 18: 39 New
    +2
    This is an open declaration of war !!!
  • demandy1
    demandy1 26 November 2015 18: 40 New
    +5
    Into his camera! Sweaty homosexual Armenians of their nation for three days without unbending! Maybe then I would think!
    1. Vladimir71
      Vladimir71 26 November 2015 18: 45 New
      +4
      At the expense of the Armenians, this was well thought out))) he certainly will not have problems with food, the Armenians will feed))) but the hoof will discourage heavy bleeding from the anus))))
  • faridg7
    faridg7 26 November 2015 18: 40 New
    +9
    This mantra about violating the border of Turkey must have been planted deeply somewhere, they directly believe in it. Maybe everything is simple? Maybe these guys have already divided the territory of Syria among themselves and Erdogan thinks that there is his territory, hence the bubbling of border violations. Assad should be helped to remind others that Syria has the right to protect its airspace, and along with the Cypriots, Iranians, Iraqis
    1. good7
      good7 26 November 2015 20: 29 New
      0
      They don’t think, but are sure where the grave of Suleiman Shah is! Turks will remain Turks.
  • rf xnumx
    rf xnumx 26 November 2015 18: 41 New
    22
    Erdogan: If someone should apologize, then definitely not we ...
    The conversation is still ahead ..
    1. NDR-791
      NDR-791 26 November 2015 18: 47 New
      10
      In Turkey, a children's horror story is still in use - you won’t obey, an evil Urus will come and put you in a bag ... like we have about a granny, but it’s significant.
  • jovanni
    jovanni 26 November 2015 18: 41 New
    +5
    Erdogan on CNN (and now this person is giving an interview to a variety of media with amazing activity, trying to shift the blame and problems from a sore head to healthy according to the method of P. Poroshenko):

    Incidentally, a very effective method. Most ordinary people around the world believe them ...
  • tasha
    tasha 26 November 2015 18: 41 New
    -14
    Dear site administration. Maybe turn off the possibility of commenting for articles on relations between Russia and Turkey. I understand the righteous anger of readers, but ... Something reminds me of another site, sometimes mentioned on VO.

    Not in the subject, but somewhere nearby. I am not a psychologist, but I think that the absence of restraining factors in network communication will certainly lead to a deformation of consciousness. This is especially true for fragile minds.
    As an example, if a person is used to eating and champing at home (no one sees, no one stops), then sooner or later the restaurant will start.
    1. tasha
      tasha 26 November 2015 19: 00 New
      +2
      Polite people - they are not only different in equipment.
      1. sharp-lad
        sharp-lad 27 November 2015 00: 09 New
        0
        Polite people - they are not only different in equipment.
        A good memory and intolerance of enemies is also not bad to differ.
    2. Dr. Bormental
      Dr. Bormental 26 November 2015 19: 21 New
      +5
      Dear Tasha! In the news section of Mail.ru, the ability to comment on readers is disabled. There is the same news as here. Read the news on Mail.ru, and it will be good for you !!!
      I also add that the forum users write on VO almost without grammatical errors, without hysteria and wild appeals in the style of the censor you mentioned, which gives me a guarantee of communication with competent and adequate people.
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      1. tasha
        tasha 26 November 2015 19: 30 New
        0
        At one time, the VO site interested me in that among the comments came across very useful information for me, sound and competent. Therefore, I am reviewing comments on many articles and news.
        It happens like this - you start reading a book and you understand that you can’t read further - it’s muddying. You go to another site (which they don’t talk about :)) - there it is right there. And now it has begun at VO.
        1. Dr. Bormental
          Dr. Bormental 26 November 2015 19: 46 New
          +2
          It just increased the degree of emotional tension. We have as news, it’s just right to jump the pressure. And the news of the day is a wagon and a cart. People are not iron, as they can let off steam, sharing with each other their thoughts, emotions, but note-much more intelligent than on the censor.
          1. tasha
            tasha 26 November 2015 19: 54 New
            +1
            Much more intelligent ... You, of course, annealed wink
            Basic Intelligence Assessment - 1 Censor. How much will give in? View, for fun, comments on articles about Syria.
            1. Dr. Bormental
              Dr. Bormental 26 November 2015 20: 06 New
              +3
              If we take a five-point scale with a base mark of 1 point by comparing 3 portals — Komsomolskaya Pravda, VO and the censor — I would give VO-4, KP-3, Ts-1
              1. tasha
                tasha 26 November 2015 20: 15 New
                +1
                You are well done. I mean, out of malice about points, you seriously. Plus you fellow
                1. Dr. Bormental
                  Dr. Bormental 26 November 2015 20: 23 New
                  -4
                  So trust people after that,
                  I surrendered to him by the moon
                  And he took my girl’s breasts,
                  And knotted on his back.
                  hmm ... something like that winked
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    4. combat66
      combat66 26 November 2015 19: 31 New
      +2
      Yes, after what happened, we need to correct the points, call the Turks like a bag and proudly leave. laughing
      Dear, let the steam go!
      And then soberly think what "gifts" to thank the Turks!
      1. tasha
        tasha 26 November 2015 19: 52 New
        +1
        Stop stop. By no means do I urge you to proudly retire. I can only show the direction in which to move wink (this does not apply to you, this is a general principle).

        Sometimes I play one of the network games. So there small children sometimes in a chat so express themselves, I get scared. They then endure everything in real life. Is there any need to be surprised when you step on such a foot in the crowd, and he will hit you with anything. Network habit, you know ...
        And when on a good site, adults practice ... (look, for example, at the comment below our repeat ) What's this?
        1. Dr. Bormental
          Dr. Bormental 26 November 2015 20: 11 New
          0
          And what kind of game is that? Let the youth teach me new expressions winked
          1. tasha
            tasha 26 November 2015 20: 19 New
            0
            Network chess. Believe it? fellow
            Yes, it is full of them all. They’ll even consider it for advertising. Remember, grandfather on Muscovite on TV?

            Not in the game. Horror in the routine with which you can be sent.
            1. Dr. Bormental
              Dr. Bormental 26 November 2015 20: 29 New
              0
              Surprised, surprised. I thought something more modern. It is strange that young people generally play in them ..
              1. tasha
                tasha 26 November 2015 20: 33 New
                0
                At our age, anyone who dreams of women is already young ...
                Thank you, it was a real pleasure.
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      2. sharp-lad
        sharp-lad 27 November 2015 00: 12 New
        0
        I have already announced to the Turks a goods embargo on my own behalf!
  • Valkh
    Valkh 26 November 2015 18: 43 New
    +1
    Quote: RUS96
    Here r0 *** n.

    No, RegJOP PERdogan)))) laughing
    1. BaLaLaykin
      BaLaLaykin 26 November 2015 19: 12 New
      -3
      No, RegJOP PERdogan)))) laughing
      this is the case, isn’t it scattering the minuses here?
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  • sklefosovskii
    sklefosovskii 26 November 2015 18: 43 New
    +1
    You must not apologize, you must fly to the Red Square, kneel down and ask for petition to all residents of the country, and in particular to the family of the deceased pilot am
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    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null 26 November 2015 20: 30 New
      0
      Quote: enhansment
      And how exactly? Import to Turkey> Export

      So what?

      Quote: enhansment
      Disable gas? Ahha) Well, so far we only give Ukrainians discounts, if only we took

      Pliiin .. are you stubborn or what? They boasted there that "you have been reading it for a long time."

      Inattentively read, here everything about these discounts was chewed a hundred times already ..

      Quote: enhansment
      And there’s simply nothing to answer for us

      The analyst of you, dear, like a dog’s sieve. Read better on. Do not write. Do not disgrace negative
  • maxxdesign
    maxxdesign 26 November 2015 18: 44 New
    +2
    let them just now try to strike at least a wing along the Syrian border! c400 will overtake in hell too!
  • starwars
    starwars 26 November 2015 18: 44 New
    +1
    “I think that if some side needs to apologize, then this is not us. Apologies need to those who violated our airspace. Our pilots and the armed forces simply fulfilled their duties, which consisted in giving an answer to the violation, ”Erdogan said.

    Here it is, almost exactly like Ukraine when it does not like to admit the truth.
    RUSSIA SHOULD DESTROY TURKEY.
    WHO AGREES .
  • Newfox
    Newfox 26 November 2015 18: 44 New
    +2
    Deliver S-300 to the Greeks in Cyprus and Armenia. And also not to apologize when they start sticking into the ground. Only in this way will it reach the stupid and greyhounds that they have done.
  • NDR-791
    NDR-791 26 November 2015 18: 44 New
    +4
    Right now, just stroke the laces and come running to apologize. Erdogan family cut back on appetites! We can learn how to live from our childhood since childhood, and if parents have not taught, then we will teach. Now we’ll have to live just within our means.
  • NKVD
    NKVD 26 November 2015 18: 46 New
    +1
    Emmek cehennemde olacak eşek
    1. sharp-lad
      sharp-lad 27 November 2015 00: 16 New
      0
      What about the translation? Not everyone understands!
    2. sharp-lad
      sharp-lad 27 November 2015 00: 16 New
      0
      What about the translation? Not everyone understands!
  • Million
    Million 26 November 2015 18: 46 New
    +5
    Like politician Ergandon on the edge of the abyss