Military Review

Rockets with fraternal stuffing

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The experience of military-industrial cooperation of the Warsaw Pact countries can be in demand in the CSTO.


This year marks the 60 years since the creation of the Warsaw Pact (VD), which united in the framework of the military-political union of the USSR and almost all the countries of Eastern Europe. The reasons for the collapse of this unique organization are purely political, more precisely - Gorbachev’s traitorous course towards the collapse of the anti-NATO coalition. Meanwhile, the WD has marked a qualitatively new stage in the development of the military-industrial complex of the participating countries on the basis of their close inter-sectoral cooperation. This experience can be claimed today.

Already in June, 1955, one month after the declaration of the Warsaw Pact, the participating countries agreed to develop a long-term program of military-industrial cooperation with each other. She was ready for 1958 year and adjusted to the geopolitical circumstances and scientific and technological achievements. According to available data, while in 1961, about 25 percent of the volume of military-technical products were produced on the basis of cooperation in the WD countries, by the end of 70's, over 40 percent.

Rockets with fraternal stuffingJoint (share) financing of relevant R & D and finished products was carried out, in which the share of the USSR was no less than 40 percent. GDR and Czechoslovakia - approximately 20 percent. On the basis of cooperation in the 50 – 70-ies, primarily the means of telecommunications and space intelligence, warning and anti-missile weapons, submarines and long-range air forces, as well as devices that ensure the highest possible accuracy of retaliatory strikes against NATO targets. At the same time, the share of East German and Czechoslovak "stuffing", for example, in Soviet missile armament and anti-missile defense equipment exceeded 30 percent in general, in technical equipment tank units and the USSR Navy reached 20 percent.

The ever closer development of military-industrial cooperation in the VD could not but disturb the countries participating in the NATO bloc. Therefore, various efforts were made to slow down and disrupt this interaction, including using the foreign policy mistakes of the Soviet leadership.

Thus, at the end of 50, Moscow’s unbridled anti-Stalinist policy led to a break in relations with Albania, which participated in the VD, and it was in this country (since 1951) that the largest naval base of the USSR in the Mediterranean region, the port of Vlora, was located. Moreover, it coexisted with NATO naval facilities in Italy and Greece, which could not help deter the aggressive plans of the alliance in the Balkan-Black Sea region (as well as against Egypt during the Suez crisis in 1955 – 1956). The conflict with Tirana almost turned into military actions of the USSR against Albania. In 1961, the base had to be evacuated. At the same time, Albania almost stopped supplying chrome, cobalt, vanadium, nickel and their alloys, mercury, graphite to the Soviet defense industry. Yes, the volume of these deliveries, it would seem, is small, but their total price per unit of conventional production was at least four times lower compared with the investment of 60-x, the beginning of 80-s in the development of resources of the same raw materials in the USSR, Bulgaria, GDR .

According to available information, provoking anti-Soviet demonstrations in the HP countries was also aimed, among other things, at separating the military-industrial complex. The notorious events in Hungary (1956), Czechoslovakia (1968), Poland (1980) led to the fact that in 1956 – 1957, 1967 – 1969 and 1980 – 1983, defense deliveries from countries of the mentioned countries were at least doubled.

In 1966, an inter-sectoral balance of the military-industrial sectors of the entire VD region was developed with details on the supply of cooperative products. In 1967, this document was adopted and began to be implemented. As a result, by the beginning of 80, the cumulative requirements of the military-industrial complex of the HP countries in raw materials, semi-finished products, components and finished products were more than 90 percent provided by the industrial and sales cooperation of the participating countries (although Romania in 1968) announced limited participation in technological chain, and Albania withdrew from HP in the same year). The missing - mainly raw materials and its semi-finished products - were imported from friendly India, Cuba, Vietnam, Guyana, Guinea, Iraq, Congo (Brazzaville), Angola, Mozambique, Uganda.

By the end of the 70-s, a “chess pattern” of enterprises - suppliers and consumers of military-technical products (including intermediate ones, that is subject to further processing) in the HP region, was developed. This enabled the second half of 80's economic and technological optimization of communications between such enterprises and more than a third to reduce the costs of transport and logistics support of the military-industrial complex.

Such a unique experience may well be in demand with the development of military-industrial cooperation in the CSTO. It is increasingly relevant due to geopolitical trends and the active transfer of arms production in the NATO region closer to the borders of the Russian Federation and Belarus. Moreover, such plans are being harbored by the alliance with respect to Ukraine, Georgia (for more details, “Live, mine”, “MIC”, No. 44, 2015).

By the way, up to a third of military-industrial complex facilities in Eastern European countries - participants of the former Warsaw Pact are now used by the military-industrial complex of the leading NATO countries. The leadership of the North Atlantic Alliance appreciated the role and capabilities of these facilities as far back as 60 – 70s ...
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  1. svp67
    svp67 28 November 2015 07: 06 New
    19
    Yes, Great times, Great things ... Strengthened defense together. It’s hard for us now in loneliness, but it’s tight and VICTORY WILL BE FOR US !!!


    And then you look and again "soyuznichki" pull up
    1. Al_oriso
      Al_oriso 28 November 2015 08: 00 New
      +9
      We must clearly demonstrate our strength - the allies will quickly begin to appear.
      1. yuriy55
        yuriy55 28 November 2015 14: 43 New
        +2
        Our troubles and disappointments from what we more often recorded as allies on the principle: "The enemy of my enemy is my friend (ally)." And the company is formed when: "My friend's friend is my friend" ...
        yes
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  2. parusnik
    parusnik 28 November 2015 07: 17 New
    +8
    Like it not ... but the Warsaw Pact, CMEA ... was organized in a smart way, with good sense and mutual benefit ...
    1. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A 28 November 2015 07: 33 New
      10
      Quote: parusnik
      Like it not ... but the Warsaw Pact, CMEA ... was organized in a smart way, with good sense and mutual benefit ...

      Effectively and profitably - this is for those who can count and think. And for our former "brothers" it is now uncharacteristic. All that the Soviet Union touched was the occupation. And the fact that they with half a million Soviet troops in the GDR were safer than ever - they don’t think about it. Who else, besides the Soviet Army, after all the "good" that they have been doing for centuries, would shed blood for the Poles, for example? The "civilized" Germans are quite the opposite - in the oven. 6 million ... And other Hungarians-Bulgarians are no less concerned ...

      I remember good things — in the middle of the 80’s, officer polish shirts appeared everyday — on rivets instead of buttons and with elastic bands on the sides instead of buttons. It was cool to have one - horror!
      1. SMikhalych
        SMikhalych 28 November 2015 12: 26 New
        +6
        Quote: Zoldat_A
        polish casual shirts appeared in the mid-80s

        In the 81st, while on vacation at home, I bought 3 of these in our military office, the guys in the unit envy. Only Czech production. True, they were on buttons, but with elastic bands. And what was especially good was that the collar kept its shape, unlike our rag. And then I brought the stars with polished faces, unlike our corrugated ones. They were slightly larger in diameter, but who then (and even in the North) looked for compliance with the statutory requirements lol
      2. yuriy55
        yuriy55 28 November 2015 14: 39 New
        +3
        I remember good things — in the middle of the 80’s, officer polish shirts appeared everyday — on rivets instead of buttons and with elastic bands on the sides instead of buttons. It was cool to have one - horror!


        Shoes for trousers everyday out of order without shoelaces ... remember?
        I don’t know for whom and how, but we went to Siberia with Czechoslovak footwear of very good quality of the “Cebo” brand. good
        1. evgmiz
          evgmiz 29 November 2015 04: 40 New
          0
          And I had wonderful Soviet shoes without laces for my "drunken" trousers ...
    2. avt
      avt 28 November 2015 09: 03 New
      17
      Quote: parusnik
      Like it not ... but the Warsaw Pact, CMEA ... was organized in a smart way, with good sense and mutual benefit ...

      Aha wassat ... The same Poland took loans in the west from dead American presidents to devour without doing anything - it kept the standard of living above its own income, as a sovereign state, and when the time came to pay the bills, Uncle Lenya was forced to allocate an oil quota for the sale to the proud, independent lyakhs and paying off debts. And then the US fussed in advance and dropped the oil price and immediately an electrician and Solidarity appeared. Doesn't it conjure up anything? Well, say the state "with the proud, innocent" Batskaya, who doesn't sell his suvaryatyat and builds the Belarusian economic miracle? Moreover, what is interesting is that in the “totalitarian socialist camp” all these “victims of the“ communist “tyranny”, as nowadays Father and Elbasy of the Kazakh people, had, unlike the current situation in the EU, their own national currencies and the transferable ruble in settlements between states members of the CMEA, that is, in fact, this EAEU cartel has not even come close to what was in the CMEA, not to mention the EU. So it is better to let them go through the forest to Kukui (German settlement in Moscow laughing ), somehow we ourselves will settle in the framework of bilateral agreements and trade in national currencies, or count them in yuan.
      1. whiteeagle
        whiteeagle 28 November 2015 12: 53 New
        -21
        50% of Poland's debt was canceled in the early 90s under American pressure. Poland helped a US agent break out of Iraq. In turn, America helped Poland negotiate with creditors in the West. Most of the defense industry in Poland during the communist era was built before World War II (Central Industrial Region (Poland). The Soviet Union blocked the development of Polish technical thought. Under pressure from Moscow, the Polish missile program was suspended (Meteor (rocket) -Meteor-1 and Meteor- 2H, and Meteor-2K and Meteor-3 or PZL TS-16 Grot jet. Poland was sentenced to produce obsolete Soviet designs. These licenses, Poland had to buy for dollars. In addition, it was the same in other sectors of the economy - Poland exported to the CCCP for rubles but it imported Soviet oil for dollars.It is not surprising that when the Soviet Union weakened as a result of defeat in the war in Afghanistan and low oil prices, the Poles quickly broke the `` bond of brotherhood. '' Just a few months after that fact end of supply chain problems.
        1. creak
          creak 28 November 2015 14: 21 New
          +9
          Quote: whiteeagle
          -Poland exported to CCCP for rubles, but it imported Soviet oil for dollars.


          No need to fantasize - in mutual settlements CMEA member countries from 1964 to 1990 used the collective currency of the so-called transferable ruble.
          It existed only in non-cash form and payments were made by recording on the relevant accounts in two authorized banks ...
          Settlements in foreign currency began to be made since 1990 with the beginning of the collapse of the CMEA ... hi
        2. avt
          avt 28 November 2015 15: 12 New
          12
          Quote: whiteeagle
          . Under pressure from Moscow, the Polish missile program was suspended (Meteor (rocket) -Meteor-1 and Meteor-2H, and Meteor-2K and Meteor-3

          And of course, the USSR did not allow the Polish cosmonaut to be the first to launch into space and land on the moon. wassat fool ek is not childish laughinggo sleep it off, white eagle
          Quote: ranger
          No need to fantasize - in mutual settlements CMEA member countries from 1964 to 1990 used the collective currency of the so-called transferable ruble.

          Yes, he doesn’t understand your explanations; he has no idea what it is and how it correlated with the same dollar, everything is simpler here, here it’s on the basis of the principle - ,, I sold it out - and it rains:
          "The triangle will be drunk! -
          Be it a parallelepiped,
          If he was a circle, a vigorous louse! "Here, he strangled" CCCP
          Quote: whiteeagle
          The Soviet Union blocked the development of Polish technical thought

          And that’s all. laughing Yes, so you see, "strangled" that they in Polsh can not even reproduce and continue the production that the USSR built for them through the CMEA - only they were smart enough to grow and sell apples today.
          Quote: whiteeagle
          . Poland helped an American agent break out of Iraq.

          Now let them, according to the behests of Polish Foreign Minister Sikorski, “suck the Americans off.” As one of the founders of Marxism put it more tenderly, “The lot of the Poles in History is bold nonsense”
          1. Zoldat_A
            Zoldat_A 28 November 2015 21: 59 New
            +6
            Quote: avt
            And of course, the USSR did not allow the Polish cosmonaut to be the first to launch into space and land on the moon.

            The White Eagle anneals ...
            Meteor is a series of Polish solid fuel meteorological rockets. The rocket had four modifications: Meteor-1 and Meteor-2H were single-stage, and Meteor-2K and Meteor-3 were two-stage. Lifting height from 36 km to 90 km.
            - is this an application for a space program ??? laughing

            But the Ministry of Health warned not only about the dangers of not only smoking ...
      2. Zoldat_A
        Zoldat_A 28 November 2015 21: 51 New
        +3
        Quote: avt
        The same Poland took loans in the west from dead American presidents to devour without doing anything - it kept the standard of living above its own income, as a sovereign state, and when the time came to pay the bills, Uncle Lenya was forced to allocate an oil quota for the sale to the proud, independent lyakhi and paying off debts. And then the US jumped in and dropped the price of oil, and an electrician and Solidarity appeared right there.

        I read recently, just in place
        In 1970, the NDP practically had no debts. After 1971, external debt increased to 8,4 billion, in 1981 it amounted to 25,5 billion, and at the end of 1987 it amounted to 39,2 billion. At the same time, the interest rate of the Polish debt increased. In 1971 -1975 years. it amounted to 5-6%, in 1976-1979. - 8-10, in 1980-1981 - 15-20%, and US banks in 1980 g. Raised it to 21,5%. Thus, in 1971-1987 years. Western banks gave the NDP a loan of 47,5 billion dollars, and the NDP paid them 50,6 billion for the same period to repay the debt, while its external debt remained equal to 39,2 billion.
        For 17 years, this, in general, not the largest country has failed ... 90 lards of American presidents - how can Solidarity not appear here !!! In general, the technology of getting into debt is famously described in the book "Confessions of an Economic Killer" by J. Perkins. I have always suspected that all these Western "good deeds" are for a reason. And after our 90s, confidence appeared. And here is a man who has done this himself.
  3. SibSlavRus
    SibSlavRus 28 November 2015 07: 30 New
    16
    Imagine, if at least the GDR group is now preserved, then how quietly and calmly the issues would be resolved. And many of the current conflicts, civil wars and other destabilization processes could simply have been avoided.

    Indeed, the USSR and its global security system were the guarantor of peace and stability.
  4. Humpty
    Humpty 28 November 2015 07: 37 New
    15
    East Germany was perhaps the most reliable ally. Only last year he threw out completely worn out tights made in the GDR for their Olympic team. The quality was beyond praise.
    And where is the GDR now? Broad cooperation with enterprises of the CSTO countries at any time can become the same rake for the Russian military-industrial complex.
    1. excomandante
      excomandante 28 November 2015 10: 02 New
      +5
      I support. Do not rely on allies. The whole story shows - they will betray and sell. P.S. Miltec is now copying the sports form of the GDR pretty well))))
  5. BOB044
    BOB044 28 November 2015 07: 42 New
    +1
    Correctly need to restore joint production. Indeed, now the countries were in the Warsaw Pact, which was from armaments. They refused, not because of its obsolescence, but because they switched to the common NATO standard when they entered there. But NATO weapons are not the best in the world. hi
    1. kuz363
      kuz363 28 November 2015 13: 10 New
      +2
      Well, what joint production? Only Belarus is real. And the rest of the members? That's just funny. Well, in Kazakhstan they used to produce machine guns and cannons in Uralsk, in Petropavlovsk - medium-range missile launchers, in Almaty - torpedo armaments. In Kyrgyzstan, on Issyk-Kul there is a test site for torpedoes like Shkval.
      1. Kasym
        Kasym 28 November 2015 19: 34 New
        +2
        Recently I just read that the share of Kaz.-Ros. and kaz.-bel. defense industry enterprises account for 15%. In the Russian Federation and Ros.-Bel. 80%
        Speech is now not so much in enterprises, but in financing R&D. Getting an experimental product, you can think about building an enterprise, deploying technology, etc. .. But only the Russian Federation and the Republic of Kazakhstan are capable of this. The rest are without money.
        Yesterday only Rogozin spoke for Baiterek on Baikonur. I did not quite understand. He says that special. the commission is due within 2 months. to establish how successful Baiterek can be. And why then Kazakhstan in the 2000s 220 mil. dollars allocated for this project? Then did they not consider everything?
        It makes no sense to create, for example, in the RK some kind of design bureau from scratch - a lot of time and money wasted. It is necessary to build on what is now in the Russian Federation, the Republic of Belarus, etc. To be honest, everything depends on Moscow. For example, I know that the Republic of Kazakhstan has more than once proposed joint actions in aviation and rocketry. But for some reason the Russian Federation "loves" the money of those Indians (BRAMOS) or Chinese (a helicopter, a wide-body aircraft) more than ours. hi
        1. avt
          avt 28 November 2015 21: 01 New
          0
          Quote: Kasym
          Yesterday only Rogozin spoke for Baiterek on Baikonur. I did not quite understand. He says that special. the commission is due within 2 months. to establish how successful Baiterek can be.

          The ears are scratching.
          Quote: Kasym
          And why then Kazakhstan in the 2000s, 220 mil. dale allocated for this project? Then haven't everyone considered it?

          It’s better to look with the Russian financial monitoring of the wiring and the final recipient, well, where did your money and ours.
          Quote: Kasym
          ) or the Chinese (helicopter, wide-body aircraft) "likes" than ours.

          There will be NO wide-body aircraft with the Chinese, as well as supplies to China for the joint venture and assembly of the Superbudget. China has ALREADY signed a contract with Boeing for the supply of 380 airplanes, including analogues of the Superbudget. Again, they have raised their developments and the assembly of airbuses is there, so they and the MC-21 side by side - they ALREADY lifted their analogue into the air, even managed to sign papers - to bring replicas of An-24 of its own manufacture into Russia. While the UAC is guessing on a chamomile - to make Il-114 and Il-112 out of the backlog of the Tashkent plant for VASO, or somehow it will resolve itself. For Tu-204/214/334 I do not stutter. For the turntables, I can't say why they could not agree at least on the Ka-226 .... well, so Kazakhstan is a good lightweight, messerschmit belkov blom "bought a traveling one, the main thing is that no one thought of making a combat out of it. It is better to modernize the Mi-24 hulls. to the level of Mi-35, or a budget version of modernization, which was developed on Mile right after Afgan.
    2. KUOLEMA
      KUOLEMA 29 November 2015 21: 21 New
      +1
      God forbid we will again feed the cunning asses (brothers) at the expense of Russia
  6. smith7
    smith7 28 November 2015 07: 47 New
    +9
    "To revive the USSR, the Warsaw Pact, censorship in the media ..." but you never know what else you can remember useful for revival ... It is very tempting to "write off, repeat", but the realities are different and you cannot return what is lost. I think we need to revive education, spiritual culture, educate thinking people. A society of creators, not consumers, we need to create or revive. Sometimes they also talk about this, but they can’t see consistent progress. Pathos, of course, he wrote but other words do not come to mind, sorry.
    1. yuriy55
      yuriy55 28 November 2015 14: 53 New
      +2
      To create a society of creators, you need to get rid of parasitic consumers, whose life is subject to the rules for the withdrawal of part of the income of the creators under the guise of the necessary fees for living in society ... Sorry, that is long ...

      It is noteworthy that the first steps were manifested with the creation of the ONF, at least with the publicization of all damned corruption:
      http://pravdoryb.info/na-vstreche-s-onf-putin-poprosil-ne-raskachivat-gosapparat
      -i-poobeschal-podderzhku-zhurnalistam-76781.html
  7. individual
    individual 28 November 2015 08: 07 New
    0
    Yes!
    There was a time of the GREAT SOVIET UNION!
    1. Kasym
      Kasym 28 November 2015 20: 24 New
      0
      In the restoration of cooperation and technological chains of industry of the USSR, it makes sense to create the EAEU. I am sure that it is possible to restore and build modern production, the main thing is the EDUCATION SYSTEM and SKILLY PERSONNEL MANAGEMENT, and respect for them. hi
      1. avt
        avt 28 November 2015 21: 20 New
        +1
        Quote: Kasym
        In the restoration of cooperation and technological chains of industry of the USSR, it makes sense to create the EAEU. I’m sure that it is possible to restore and build modern production facilities,

        No. Restore NOT-WHO-CAN-BUT! Firstly, we need "Stalinist People's Commissars"; Secondly, we need a financial system serving their work with a single payment currency and a single emission center, but they DO NOT AGREE about this, I told you this for a long time to Rozny, but I heard in response - in 2015, there will definitely be a single means of payment; Thirdly, political will is needed under which the "Stalinist People's Commissars" work. And what is the answer? The EAEU is an economic structure that does not provide for supranational bodies that, in fact, should have steered the process, that is, business is nothing personal. Who spoke about this at the signing, well, what they say, no politics ??? wassat What did you and Marek Rozny Az the sinful two years actually say - NOT-DO-GO-IN-RYAT-SYA neither by a single monetary unit and a single emission center, nor by a supranational governing structure, decisions and decisions of which will be OBLIGATORY for execution in all nat states. What did the same Marek write to me in response? In 2015, everything will be. wassat Well, who is right! ?? So the EAEU is the same CIS, but a view from a bokukelny conspiracy without some ex-Soviet republics, and even in CMEA there was a single governing and planning body.
  8. Humpty
    Humpty 28 November 2015 08: 19 New
    +2
    Quote: Al_oriso
    We must clearly demonstrate our strength - the allies will quickly begin to appear.

    Such allies in the human sense are called sticks, lackeys and other less printed words. They also always have a pebble or knife in their bosom.
  9. Vladimir D
    Vladimir D 28 November 2015 08: 37 New
    +6
    And in order for Russia to become similar to the USSR, it is necessary not to engage in chatter and PR, but to start working, otherwise the entire country consists of 70% of bankers, security officials, merchandisers and a mass of PR managers and controllers of all stripes. A freebie has become the norm. In Brezhnev’s times (I’m generally silent about Stalin’s days), if a person has not been working for more than 2 months without good reason, then his district police officer forcibly led to the plant. And for the fact of corruption in a ridiculous, compared to current times, the director of the Smolensk department store in Moscow was shot and the director of Arbatsky imprisoned for 25 years. And we, lying on the couch, want everything to be done by itself - without us, trusting in the genius of the leader who will do everything for us. By chatter, PR, false propaganda and crawling out of the asses of the authorities Great Russia cannot be created. And today, with our thoughtless policies, we are pushing Russia towards Maidana, in the fire of which both the right and the guilty will burn. God forbid us a new 17 year.
    1. Cap.Morgan
      Cap.Morgan 28 November 2015 10: 51 New
      +3
      In Brezhnev’s times, out of 200 laboratory workers where I worked, 180 could be sent with a clear conscience outside the gates or immediately retired. Since they spent time in smoking rooms and reading fiction purchased from the coupons.
      The facts of theft were no less, the population simply lived 100 times poorer. So the numbers are more modest. The salary was one hundred rubles a month.
      Lush bloomed mismanagement.
      I drove potatoes on the base at least all, it’s okay, people shaw.
      So now, given the development trends, everything is going better and most importantly more promising.
      Great Russia is still easier to build than communism on one sixth of the land.
      1. yuriy55
        yuriy55 28 November 2015 15: 05 New
        +1
        Great Russia is still easier to build than communism on one sixth of the land.


        I once vividly recalled:

        Love, hope, quiet glory
        We were deceived for a short while,
        Young fun disappeared,
        Like a dream, like a morning mist;
        But we still burn with desire,
        Under the yoke of power fatal
        An impatient soul
        Homeland vneshlem calling.
        We are waiting with a longing for hope
        Minutes of holy liberty,
        How to wait for a lover young
        Minutes of a true date.
        While free burn
        While hearts for honor are alive,
        My friend, dedicate to the fatherland
        Souls are wonderful impulses!
        Comrade, believe: she will rise,
        Captivating Star of Happiness,
        Russia will wake up from a dream,
        And on the ruins of autocracy
        Write our names!


        I really like when they start talking about a bright future in Russia ... They say for a long time those who did not pick up shovels or a hammer in their hands, didn’t stand at the machine or culman, at the operating table, yes, it’s just never I didn’t cook in the dining room for children from kindergarten or school ... But such sad thoughts are not casual ... Look from 13.14:


        Let's build Great Russia!
    2. kuz363
      kuz363 28 November 2015 13: 12 New
      +2
      But it seems that the director of the Yeliseyevsky deli on Gorky Street was shot? Allegedly for bribes.
      1. yuriy55
        yuriy55 28 November 2015 15: 16 New
        +2
        One cannot say absolutely, but this indicative process is the division of the spheres of influence of power structures, competition in steepness and size ...
        Eliseevsky ... Director ... Yes, there none of the mere mortal Muscovites had access to the cherished door. By the way, none of ordinary Muscovites complained about the lack of goods and deprivation in the range of products. Lack of money in the city of temptations and opportunities - that was it. Remember in the movie "Moscow Does Not Believe in Tears ..." - Moscow is a big lottery ...
        hi
  10. midashko
    midashko 28 November 2015 09: 07 New
    +7
    ..., up to a third of military-industrial complex facilities in the East European countries that are parties to the former Warsaw Pact are now used by the military-industrial complex of the leading NATO states.

    Therefore, we must have a maximum of high-tech industries in our country, and our neighbors (even friendly countries) should try not to create such facilities. And how can one not become dependent on their deliveries, but, on the contrary, restrain their development, for example, by supplying their similar and cheaper products. At one time, China helped — mechanical engineering, metallurgy, the nuclear industry — but now we are afraid of ourselves and look up at our neighbor. And we don’t even count on his help (for real help, and not for the one for which you will have to pay a lot and a lot).
    1. yuriy55
      yuriy55 28 November 2015 15: 34 New
      +2
      Therefore, you must have a maximum ...

      To start, remember planning и economic incentive; what is the industry of groups A and B and in what ratio they should develop; about the zonal differentiation of wages and prices, which change with changes in location, conditions of production and sale of goods in certain regions of the country; nationalization of the Central Bank in accordance with a simple and understandable rule, spend the money earned in accordance with your requests and needs; state property (which works for the entire country and its inhabitants) and its share (minimum) in various industries (where 100%, and where "0%"); progressive taxation; differentiated VAT; public control over the observance of the rule of law in the government and ... with God, on a good journey through the wide Russian expanses, where the names of toilers-creators will sound in a new way, and we will have everything and everyone, to a minimum and to a maximum.
      hi
  11. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 28 November 2015 10: 04 New
    +2
    The role and capabilities of these facilities were appreciated by the leadership of the North Atlantic Alliance back in the 60s and 70s ...

    Not surprising. The military-industrial complex of the USSR moved science and production forward. At that time, factories for the production of civilian goods could, in a special period, quickly reorganize themselves into military production. People working in this industry (and in others) felt responsible to the country.
  12. Cap.Morgan
    Cap.Morgan 28 November 2015 10: 41 New
    +8
    All military and high-tech production should be concentrated exclusively on the territory of Russia, taking into account economic feasibility.
    The USSR could afford to make a glider in one place, engines in another, instruments in a third, and transported there thousands of kilometers there. After the collapse of the Union, communications were broken and difficulties arose.
    Or, say, an aircraft factory in Georgia.
    At first, they built buildings. Workers from Russia. Since Georgian hard workers do not like this thing.
    Then equipment was brought from Russia.
    Then workers were brought from Russia, as Georgian workers do not really like to work in factories.
    Accordingly, for these workers, first they built huts, then houses, schools, kindergartens, roads, hospitals.
    Party bodies reported on the growth of the Georgian proletariat.
    After the collapse, the plant remained in Georgia and died safely. Such is the cooperation.
  13. Jurkovs
    Jurkovs 28 November 2015 11: 15 New
    +3
    Rave. How can this be written when, due to Ukraine, they are forced to emergency import substitution and there are not enough engines for finished ships. I advise the author to put his eggs under the hammer and strike once, but from Russia such a policy is enough.
    1. kuz363
      kuz363 28 November 2015 13: 18 New
      +1
      The most interesting thing is that they say that there are no problems with import substitution. They say we’ll buy in other countries. Although I read that approximately 5% of the names of products from Ukraine for the military-industrial complex cannot be replaced or created due to the lack of technology, specialists, equipment, documentation. Something about carbon fiber fabrics for rocketry and aviation
      1. Saratoga833
        Saratoga833 28 November 2015 16: 18 New
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        Quote: kuz363
        5% of the names of products from Ukraine for the military-industrial complex cannot be replaced or created due to the lack of technology, specialists, equipment, documentation.

        Well, of course, for you Ukraine is the light in the window and there’s no way to go without it, well, we don’t have so much mind! Some idiots live in Russia. And what would we do without Ukraine?
  14. Stena
    Stena 28 November 2015 14: 10 New
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    What does history teach us? There were factories and research bureaus within the framework of military-technical cooperation in Georgia. Where is Georgia now? There were factories in Ukraine. Where is Ukraine now? From this the conclusion is very simple. Everything that concerns the military-industrial complex of Russia should be located exclusively on the territory of Russia, and nowhere else. Otherwise, we get the same as now - it is necessary to produce ships, but there are no engines, and it is urgent to rebuild the plant, etc.
  15. Yak28
    Yak28 28 November 2015 14: 16 New
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    But how quickly the Warsaw Pact countries rushed to the feet of the Americans, and began to water Russia, which built them the infrastructure and fought for them, and if they had betrayed Russia during the war
    1. yuriy55
      yuriy55 28 November 2015 15: 44 New
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      and began to water Russia with slop ...


      Only out of purely mercenary motives ... I just really wanted to eat, since not only the brotherly ties between the Communist Parties, but also industrial and military-political ones collapsed with the collapse of the SVD and CMEA. And American cookies and dollars were given only to those who cursed the old days and other customs. The goal was one - to break down the remnants of the USSR to the level of territories and regions ... To the deepest regret, the United States, the seriously ill (RF) has recovered and is already firmly (so that it cannot be defeated alone) standing on its feet ...
      yes
    2. Pindermyak
      Pindermyak 28 November 2015 17: 44 New
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      Read Dostoevsky, just not that "great" phrase that the libero-shitcrats are strenuously feeding us, but about the Slavic brothers:
      "Precisely, this second consists in the fact that, according to my inner conviction, the most complete and irresistible, Russia will not, and has never had, such haters, envious people, slanderers and even outright enemies like all these Slavic tribes, a little only Russia will liberate them, and Europe will agree to recognize them as liberated "
      + Although something tells me that this phrase should not be read separately, but in the entire text. Because phrases taken out of context can have a completely different meaning.
  16. Megatron
    Megatron 28 November 2015 16: 48 New
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    Well, it’s not in the GDR that betrayed us, but we, and in particular, hunchbacked them.
    Who signed the documents on the "reunification" and the withdrawal of troops?
    the Americans didn’t bring anything by the way.
  17. Humpty
    Humpty 28 November 2015 17: 12 New
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    Quote: Stena
    There were factories and research bureaus within the framework of military-technical cooperation in Georgia. Where is Georgia now? There were factories in Ukraine. Where is Ukraine now?

    And yet there is a reasonable grain in the idea of ​​broad cooperation. If the "Wild Division" is restored, the Tajiks will provide it with donkeys. The Kazakhs can provide yurts, although they will delay the delivery a little, the subcontractors - the Kirgiz and Mongols - will let it down. The Armenians will sew boots, they will be a little different, but nothing, the threads will be reliable. The Kyrgyz will go to concerts of komuzists - this is also the case. Belarusians have equipment on grooved soles, but they will supply some devices.
    1. Stena
      Stena 28 November 2015 21: 41 New
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      Quote: Humpty
      And yet there is a reasonable grain in the idea of ​​broad cooperation. If the "Wild Division" is restored, the Tajiks will provide it with donkeys. The Kazakhs can provide yurts, although they will delay the delivery a little, the subcontractors - the Kirgiz and Mongols - will let it down. The Armenians will sew boots, they will be a little different, but nothing, the threads will be reliable. The Kyrgyz will go to concerts of komuzists - this is also the case. Belarusians have equipment on grooved soles, but they will supply some devices.

      And why do we need such a circus? History shows that strategic technologies and industries need to be kept. If only it is economically feasible, then only then you can consider the issue of buying (from scratch, not about starting from scratch or modernizing enterprises in these territories) certain elements (clothes, food, etc.).
  18. Pindermyak
    Pindermyak 28 November 2015 17: 38 New
    +1
    Quote: BOB044
    Correctly need to restore joint production.

    Rzhachno. The joint production of arms even with our internal capitalists is not worth doing, because it will be according to Leninsky (There is no such crime ...). History must be taught, but twenty-five years is enough to understand who will behave how. All repeats. During the Chechen period, for example, someone was resting and licking his wounds in Turkey. And during the South Ossetian, some Ukrainians sailed on our planes from air defense systems for target designation from Avax flying over the territory of Turkey. Does it resemble anything this year? So the joint production of weapons is right to do in the coordination and cooperation of state corporations.
  19. ivanovbg
    ivanovbg 28 November 2015 22: 13 New
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    Brothers in Arms. Sign of a participant in the exercises of the Shield-1982 ATS exercises in Bulgaria:
  20. borys
    borys 30 November 2015 19: 38 New
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    Good thoughts are voiced here. Type - all important do only
    the territory of Russia. And everything seems to be right. And maybe in another way - not
    it’s necessary to ruin a country that has been built by great works for more than a century
    our ancestors?