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Features of the Russian mentality. "We do not need the Turkish coast"?

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This December and January of the new year will be marked by a change in foreign procurement policy. Ukraine and Turkey consciously framed themselves under the embargo.


Features of the Russian mentality. "We do not need the Turkish coast"?


No matter how much some forces wished to draw Russia into an open military conflict, nothing came of it. To the great chagrin of both overseas "partners" and domestic pseudo-patriots who dream of reading reports from the fronts. And "partners", and wanting to shave weapons Only one thing relates to domestic bottling: it is not for them to take part in the military solution of the issue.

The leadership of the country actually decided on an economic war. You can beat bombs and rockets, and you can in rubles and dollars. What is more effective? There may be different opinions. But the overall picture is drawn now.

Feature of the mentality of the Russian people: the enemy must be seen. And know in person. Therefore, in principle, the tragedy of the Airbus in Egypt did not cause such indignation as the attack of the Russian aircraft by the Turkish Air Force. Who blew up the Airbus, we can only imagine. Some terrorist forces rather indistinct nature. Terrorism is faceless.

In the case of our Su-24 all transparent. The operation had been preparing for a long time, starting with the choice of time and place and ending with cameras, which were clearly placed in the area of ​​the planned attack. Turkey did everything she could to draw Russia into a military conflict. And surely this is not the last incident, there will be others. Up to the "setup" of your aircraft under our "Forts" or C-400 with the subsequent accusation of Russia of aggression towards Turkey. And I predict that the reaction of NATO will not be so limp.

To hit the dollar in Turkey is definitely the wisest decision. And even more effective than the "Yars" or "Caliber."

Russia supplies its traditional goods to Turkey - gas, oil and petroleum products, as well as metals, coal, and wheat. Moreover, energy makes up 53% of Turkish imports. That is, there is practically nothing to replace them. Azerbaijan would be glad to press Russia in this market, but something constantly interferes. That the attacks on the oil and gas pipelines, the simple inability to increase their own production and processing.

Yes, no one talks about the fact that the Turks should be left without our gas and oil. This is money in our pocket. Especially since the 1 dollar, which goes into the pocket of the Turks, accounts for the 4 dollar in ours. So let them pay further.

Food and agricultural raw materials (33,2% in January-July of this year), machinery, equipment and vehicles (23,4%), textiles and shoes (17,6%) go from Turkey to Russia. The country is the largest supplier of food products to Russia (primarily vegetables and fruits). Some analysts believe that imposing an embargo on fruits and vegetables from Turkey will be problematic both in quantity and in price.

But do not forget about the age-old "friends" of Turkey, who sleep and see how to step on the hands of the Turks. These are Iran and Israel, which themselves are very large players in agricultural markets. Especially Iran, with whom we have not just a warming of relations. In general, there is someone to replace.

With tourism, too, everything is clear. Yes, many Russians will be distressed by the lack of prospects to warm the belly in Antalya. On the other hand, those who cannot imagine their lives without this will be able to use the services of Belarusians. Which today is quite a sell tours to Egypt, I think, will learn and the Turkish route. But here, you understand, without guarantees. At one's own risk. However, today the Russians vote with their feet, transferring their rest to other places.

And Belarus has become a kind of buffer between the EU and Russia. Catches salmon and trout in Norwegian and Danish waters (successes of the Belarusian fishery fleet impossible to underestimate), grows plums and peaches no worse than Moldavian ones, Belarusian apples are definitely no worse than Polish ones. They will master Belarusian entrepreneurs and tourism in Egypt and Turkey.

Well, if Turkish chickens are infected with chicken gonorrhea, and mandarins and lemons catch citrus flu, something will also be invented. But this topic deserves a closer look.

So the question of how to replace the Turkish goods is not so urgent. There would be money from the merchant, and the seller there. We have money. The question is only to those who are ahead and who will offer a more lucrative contract for the goods. Persians? Jews? We'll see.

And what will Turkey do in this situation is a question for those who like to gloat. And tilled field for thought.

By the way, about the same will be in the new year Ukraine. Having signed the association with the EU, Ukraine at full speed flew at the same rake as Turkey. And now what?

Where will Ukrainian food go with 1 on January, when the embargo comes into effect? Former Minister of Economy Suslov told Shuster in the program that the European Union refused to buy Ukrainian meat and dairy products as not meeting EU standards.

Moreover, the EU has banned selling Ukrainian meat and dairy products of domestic production in Ukraine. Because the quality, you see, does not meet the same European standards. Themselves not "din", and the other will not give. So much for tse Europe.

This is the greatest Peremoga of the Ukrainian government and the entire Ukrainian people. Now they will eat wonderful Polish and German products instead of their own, which are intolerable by terrible quality. Or his, but so, quietly and under cover of night.

So, not only we will lose Ukrainian products from the new year, but the Ukrainians themselves, too, if, of course, they are not organizing a new Maidan, but already against association with the EU.

If everything is more or less clear with Ukraine, then what and how will happen in Turkey is most interesting. Yes, Erdogan still feels good. But for now. So far, the Turks have not felt in his pocket the consequences of his absolutely stupid behavior. Let's see what starts a little later. The Turk who stepped on his pocket, as the example of Erdogan himself showed, is capable of many things. Often unflattering and vile. Why are the Turks, who stepped on Erdogan's pocket with their antics, will not be able to do the same? Only in relation to his president, who imagines himself a sultan? And they can ...

If everything is more or less clear with the authorities in Ukraine, then we will see how strong the throne of Erdogan is. But from a safe distance. It is good that the Turkish coast is far enough from ours.
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  1. Temples
    Temples 27 November 2015 10: 27 New
    35
    Perhaps Turkey is a new hotbed of tension near our border.
    SGA will easily blow up Turkey for the main purpose.
    Turning Turkey into a theater of operations is a likely goal of the SGA.
    Erdogan is already talking about the continuation of the work of Turkish aviation in Syria.
    What is this?
    He puts his planes under attack. What for?
    Outskirts, Turks, Georgians, Baltic states are such borders.
    1. Baikonur
      Baikonur 27 November 2015 10: 38 New
      +3
      One of the differences between yrs and turks is understanding / misunderstanding of the Russian language! Therefore, the Russian truth is harder to speak Turks.
      "We do not need the Turkish coast"
      But better let it just be asphalted. winked
      1. podpolkovnik
        podpolkovnik 27 November 2015 13: 52 New
        +5
        Quote: Baikonur
        One of the differences between yrs and turks is understanding / misunderstanding of the Russian language! Therefore, the Russian truth is harder to speak Turks.
        "We do not need the Turkish coast"
        But better let it just be asphalted. winked
      2. svd-xnumx
        svd-xnumx 27 November 2015 18: 53 New
        0
        But better let it just be asphalted.
        Sand turns to glass when exposed to high temperatures
    2. svetoruss
      svetoruss 27 November 2015 10: 39 New
      22
      Quote: Temples
      Perhaps Turkey is a new hotbed of tension near our border.
      SGA will easily blow up Turkey for the main purpose.
      Turning Turkey into a theater of operations is a likely goal of the SGA.
      Erdogan is already talking about the continuation of the work of Turkish aviation in Syria.
      What is this?
      He puts his planes under attack. What for?
      Outskirts, Turks, Georgians, Baltic states are such borders.

      He also said that the downing of Turkish planes over the territory of Syria would be considered an act of aggression, such a simple Turkish guy ...
      1. Temples
        Temples 27 November 2015 10: 41 New
        16
        Here I am about that.
        Explicit exacerbation policy.
        Why is it a Turk?
        It feels like someone is holding him Faberge and forcing him to do so.
        I do not think that the Turks want to fight.
        They are not fools. Anyone, but not fools.
        But the external "player" does not care about the existence of Turkey as such.
        And the war in Eurasia is just right.
        So the conclusion suggests itself.
        1. skrabplus.ru
          skrabplus.ru 27 November 2015 11: 22 New
          0
          Do not forget about the Turkish stream! That is the point!
        2. Reserve officer
          Reserve officer 27 November 2015 12: 03 New
          12
          In fact, if you start an economic war, it is with Turkey, and not with its individual sectors. It turns out very strange - we will limit the supply of agricultural products, and even under some delusional pretext of low quality, which appeared only yesterday. But it turns out that we were poisoned before and was it good? And the builders from Turkey did not suffer at all - just white and fluffy. And we will continue to sell gas. It turns out that it was the Turkish peasants who shot down the plane, and the rest had nothing to do with it?
      2. jjj
        jjj 27 November 2015 10: 44 New
        +4
        Turkey in the season from early May to late October is visited by 4 million. And Gelendzhik from late May to early September 3 million
        1. Altona
          Altona 27 November 2015 11: 13 New
          +8
          Quote: jjj
          Turkey in the season from early May to late October is visited by 4 million. And Gelendzhik from late May to early September 3 million

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          Why is the Caspian Sea bad? I don’t understand everything? There are such cool places, such a healing air, mild climate, warm estuaries, white sand ... Put hotels and populate the people ... All this Caucasian-Middle Eastern cuisine is also present - baklava, khachapuri, dolma, satsivi, kharcho ... All there is, no worse than in Turkey ... Well, maybe there aren’t so many ancient Roman and ancient Greek ruins, but most go to the beach or get treatment for our sores like allergies or asthma ... I believe that in Russia there is a huge reserve for tourism. .. Sochi turned into a ski, now a year-round resort ... Leaving 10 billion in Kemer and Antalya annually and 7 billion in Egypt is clearly not very reasonable ...
          1. Stas57
            Stas57 27 November 2015 11: 22 New
            +7
            Quote: Altona
            Why is the Caspian Sea bad? I don’t understand everything?

            nothing, as soon as there will be a level of service in Turkey at the price of Egypt and below, tourists will rush en masse there.
            I will say it. that on the White Sea you can make a resort full of people, price-quality and, of course, fun
            1. Altona
              Altona 27 November 2015 11: 54 New
              +8
              Quote: Stas57
              nothing, as soon as there will be a level of service in Turkey at the price of Egypt and below, tourists will rush en masse there.
              I will say it. that on the White Sea you can make a resort full of people, price-quality and, of course, fun

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              I served in the village of Shikhovo near Baku already in 1988, communication training, the cost of building a hotel there are minimal, beautiful sand quarries where they make a “cube”, there are quarries on the coast where pink marble is mined. A three-story building from a cube is being built in a month, it is completely environmentally friendly, it’s cool inside. In general, places are drop dead. Do not describe. And this despite the fact that this is Absheron, where there are many black oil puddles in the middle of snow-white sand.
              PS Our Caspian, this is Dagestan, Derbent. There are hotels and tourism, no ads ...
              1. Yeraz
                Yeraz 27 November 2015 15: 54 New
                0
                Quote: Altona
                In general, places are drop dead. Do not describe. And this despite the fact that this is Absheron, where there are many black oil puddles in the middle of snow-white sand.

                And no one argues with this. But it is insanely expensive. All because of corruption. As a result, it turns out that the Armenians and Azerbaijanis go to rest in Batumi. Then, take the train and plane or in your car and go to Batumi to rest , It’s much cheaper than a resident of Baku, located on the Caspian coast and a resident of Yerevan with Sevan near by.
                And much cheaper and better service.
                1. Altona
                  Altona 27 November 2015 18: 33 New
                  0
                  Quote: Yeraz
                  And no one argues with this. But it is insanely expensive. All because of corruption. As a result, it turns out that the Armenians and Azerbaijanis go to rest in Batumi. Then, take the train and plane or in your car and go to Batumi to rest , It’s much cheaper than a resident of Baku, located on the Caspian coast and a resident of Yerevan with Sevan near by.
                  And much cheaper and better service.

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                  But this garbage is complete, because you have no less potential than the Turks ...
                  PS "Resorts" of Belarus, for example, I immediately hack, because of the climate. For comparison, he stepped on a large shell and spread his foot in the Caspian, healed in three days like a dog. In Belarus, a small cut or prick of a finger will secrete pus and heal for three weeks ...
                  1. Yeraz
                    Yeraz 27 November 2015 18: 40 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Altona
                    But this garbage is complete, because you have no less potential than the Turks ...

                    So it is in Russia. Corruption is doing its job.
                    I’m not a resident of Azerbaijan. When I arrive, I live with relatives and walk at their expense. And I see how people spend money. Service and prices are crazy. Although there is everything. Do you want mountains? Please, the sea? Over 3 months of the hot Caspian Sea. The infrastructure is all there. Road the border between Georgia and Russia is gorgeous. The truth from Russia to Azerbaijan sucks.
                    The logic of business in the CIS countries is to grab at a time. There is no strategy of thinking.
                    Saakashvili made a gorgeous tourist site out of a hole called Batumi without major government investments. He simply created such conditions for business that the Turks and Azerbaijani oligarchs instantly built everything up there with cool hotels.
                    1. your1970
                      your1970 27 November 2015 19: 56 New
                      0
                      "Saakashvili made a gorgeous tourist site out of a hole called Batumi without major government investments. It simply created such conditions for business that Turks and Azerbaijani oligarchs in a flash, everything was built up with cool hotels. "
                      These owners are embarrassing ...
                      1. Yeraz
                        Yeraz 27 November 2015 20: 47 New
                        0
                        Quote: your1970
                        These owners are embarrassing ...

                        And why do these owners confuse ?? Turks are the recognized leader in the field of construction. Turkish companies build most of the contracts in the CIS space.
                        In the case of Azerbaijan, this is money. But the paradox is that the oligarch in his country builds everything and is insanely expensive and unprofitable, and builds ideal conditions in someone else’s life. It matters how the government behaves and whether it provides an opportunity for business development.
                        If normal conditions were created in Russia, everyone would HERE GROWED HERE. Except for exotic.
                      2. your1970
                        your1970 27 November 2015 22: 23 New
                        0
                        normal conditions is what? don’t pay taxes? and don’t pay! customs gives much more income than tax, but it should be strictly the other way around ... Don’t torture inspections? They forbade to include small businesses in inspections until 2018, only through unscheduled prosecutors. .
                        By the way, do you know what small business is in the Russian Federation?
                        If you think that this is an IP, I will greatly surprise you ..
                        "In accordance with the Federal Law" On the Development of Small and Medium Enterprises in the Russian Federation ", the Government of the Russian Federation decides:
                        1. Set limit values ​​for revenue from the sale of goods (works, services) for the previous calendar year excluding value added tax for the following categories of small and medium-sized businesses:

                        microenterprises - 120 million rubles;
                        small enterprises - 800 million rubles;
                        medium-sized enterprises - 2 billion rubles. "

                        I figured - if from 5 districts of the region to drive a bunch of IPs - then TOGETHER !!! they can be pulled to a microenterprise ...
                2. your1970
                  your1970 27 November 2015 19: 55 New
                  0
                  but on the contrary, I liked the climate in Belarus, after our heat good
    3. aleks 62 next
      aleks 62 next 27 November 2015 10: 49 New
      11
      ..... He also said that the downing of Turkish aircraft over the territory of Syria would be considered an act of aggression, such a simple Turkish guy ...

      ... And if a Turk is brought down over the territory of Russia ????? ..... As an option, through Federation Council, work on the option of including Syria in Russia (as full autonomy) .... Well, what’s not an option ???? .... lol
      1. Altona
        Altona 27 November 2015 11: 19 New
        +5
        Quote: aleks 62 next
        ... And if they bring down a Turk over the territory of Russia ?????

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        Yes, even where they bring down, Turkey can’t oppose anything but the straits. In principle, a de facto war has been declared, 51 articles on the right to defense have been launched. Although the janissaries are strong, but the basing places will be immediately attacked by the Black Sea and Caspian fleet, and the far-off airplanes of the Southern Military District ... True, this scenario is beyond good and evil, I say right away ... As for NATO, it’s ridiculous to imagine the solidarity of Greece with Turkey on the issue protection. In general, NATO is also split on this issue, the US will wait for a reaction, but the US certainly does not need it, and they also do not need Erdogan, they will most likely wash themselves, but they will put us in hooligans and a threat to peace ...
      2. skrabplus.ru
        skrabplus.ru 27 November 2015 11: 24 New
        0
        good idea! Possible benefits and consequences need to be explored.
        I would have joined Egypt with Iran ...
    4. sovetskyturist
      sovetskyturist 27 November 2015 11: 14 New
      +5
      The Russian-Turkish conflict forced the Greeks to recall the prophecies of the elder Paisius Svyatogorets http://mixednews.ru/archives/91931
      Specifically, Paisius’s prediction was as follows: “Some events will occur that will end in the fact that we will again regain Constantinople. There will be a war between Turkey and Russia. In the beginning, the Turks will think that they are winning, but this will lead to their defeat. The Russians will ultimately win and capture Constantinople. After that, he will become ours. They will have to give the city to us. ”

      The text goes on to say: “The Turks will be defeated. They will be scattered, because this nation was created without the blessing of the Lord. The third part of the Turks will return back to where they came from, deep into Turkey. Another third will be saved, because they will accept the Christian faith, and the rest will be killed in this war. " This is based on the prophecy of St. Cosmas of Aetolia.

      Elder Paisius rested on July 12, 1994. Among his notes were found the words: “I only dreamed that the Lord would save my life for several more years. Then I would see my country expanding its possessions. And this will happen ... "

      “Turkey will be fragmented. It will benefit our country. Thus, our villages will finally gain freedom, our enslaved homeland. Constantinople will be liberated, it will again become a Greek city. Hagia Sophia will be open again, ”the text reads.

      “Turkey will be divided into three or four parts. The countdown has already begun. We will regain the lands that belong to us, the Armenians will receive their lands back, and the Kurds - theirs. A lot of people will rejoice. And all this will happen in these years. The time has come ”.http: //mixednews.ru/archives/91931
      I don’t know, but probably the Russians are again being pushed to drag chestnuts for others. If you don’t win here, you need to give Muslims information of a higher level than those fornications that drive the West into the heads of the faithful with the help of local political instructors
    5. skrabplus.ru
      skrabplus.ru 27 November 2015 11: 21 New
      +3
      the downing of Turkish aircraft over the territory of Syria will be considered an act of aggression
      Well, what else could he say? .. half-Turks fly over Syria in any way, zassat ...
  2. hydrox
    hydrox 27 November 2015 10: 40 New
    +1
    Quote: Temples
    SGA easily blow up Turkey for the main purpose


    Well, they blew up (what and how?).
    And then what?
    There will be no war - this is understandable.
    Are they drinking at us?
    Yes, for such tricks they will instantly fly out of NATO and the Su-24 has clearly shown this.
    Invade Syria?
    The second act of aggression will not be tolerated by the black man.
    What else can they do while do cancer sits on the Sultan's throne?
    And he will be demolished from the throne before spring.
    What else do you suggest?
    1. Temples
      Temples 27 November 2015 10: 46 New
      +9
      I do not offer anything.
      I'm thinking.
      What are we all doing here actually.
      And they can offer it at the General Staff or in the Kremlin.
      May God grant them intelligence and judgment.
      But someone clearly needs a conflict between the Turks and us.
      And the strait is immediately remembered.
  3. 79807420129
    79807420129 27 November 2015 10: 44 New
    18
    On the one hand, it’s right, although the ashes of SU-24 are beating in our hearts and the dead children of the LPR let the Turks stuff the rotten tomatoes and apples into the hollow of the Perdergan.
  4. Tor5
    Tor5 27 November 2015 10: 55 New
    +1
    The United States played the Turkish card, it is necessary to respond very subtly so as not to succumb to the provocation of drawing into a military conflict.
    1. Zlyden.Zlo
      Zlyden.Zlo 27 November 2015 11: 30 New
      -2
      here it’s not at all
  5. mark_V
    mark_V 27 November 2015 11: 00 New
    0
    [quote = Temples] Erdogan is already talking about the continuation of the work of Turkish aviation in Syria. [/ quote]
    He says something, but for now:
    http://lenta.ru/news/2015/11/27/syria/[quote=Храмов]
  6. AUL
    AUL 27 November 2015 11: 02 New
    +5
    What does "maybe" mean? A neighbor who was always considered neutral-friendly and harmless hit in the back for no reason! So the tension here is already quite real.
    I'm worried about something else. A wave of screams like “bombing! Drop special forces! Tear! Select straits!” from our schoolchildren-captains sofas. Well, of course, the louder you scream, the more pluses, the cooler shoulder straps. It is clear that they themselves do not plan to take AK in their hands and go to the trenches. But let the kids climb on Wiki and take an interest in the state of the Turkish armed forces. Especially the fleet. They will be unpleasantly surprised.
    In the sixties they talked about the Japanese economic miracle. In the mid-70s about Korean. In the 80s, already about Turkish. Turkey is a country with a stable economy, a strong army and, moreover, a member of NATO. What they say now that NATO has already leaked Turkey will not harness for it - I am sure that this is a strategic level disa. Harness up! It’s just that they are pushing us to war to bring down our economy. In Ukraine, it didn’t work out - they try with the Turks. After all, it was not the Turks who shot down our plane, the mattresses did it with the hands of the Turks!
    Why am I all this. The answer must be given, and very tough. But by the same method as the mattresses put pressure on us - to bring down the economy of the Turks. How - a lot has already been said about this.
    Come on, deuce, sprinkle uncle minus!
    1. Beaver
      Beaver 27 November 2015 11: 20 New
      +4
      Quote: AUL
      which has always been considered neutral-friendly and harmless

      Who counted this? My personal attitude towards the Turks after 24.11.2015/XNUMX/XNUMX has not changed at all. Their benevolent attitude towards us was ostentatious and forced, and for this they hate us even more.
      So I think and thought.
      Quote: AUL
      Come on, deuce, sprinkle uncle minus!
    2. Metallurgist
      Metallurgist 27 November 2015 11: 40 New
      +2
      From a military point of view, if you apply the same state standards - then bombing the Turks in the feudalism of missiles is enough. The question is different.
      The question is, indeed, it is better to bring down the economy and bring it down exponentially. Not secretly, but it is indicative. For edification. Well, as a warning to everyone else.
      A la Ger, com a la Ger.
    3. sem_juver
      sem_juver 27 November 2015 12: 29 New
      +2
      It should be obvious to “excellent students” that a dangerous precedent has been created, and if the Turks jump off, then some Estonia or Japan will shoot our planes in neutral air, considering that for them Russian planes are a threat. I am sure that the leadership of the country understands this.
  7. 34 region
    34 region 27 November 2015 11: 12 New
    +1
    Maybe Turkey and a new hotbed of tension. And it is the United States that is being drawn into it. They are not sorry to throw millions of lives in the world of bonfire slaughter. Au Trotsky! This is whose ghost walks the planet today?
  8. vyinemeynen
    vyinemeynen 27 November 2015 11: 15 New
    +1
    When everything calms down in Syria, it will be entirely possible to equip your Turkey to rest.
  9. G-iv
    G-iv 27 November 2015 13: 53 New
    0
    Why your planes? There are few more Boeing with tourists under the blue sky, barbing at night in jeepies ...
  • DIVAN SOLDIER
    DIVAN SOLDIER 27 November 2015 10: 28 New
    -20
    Ahaha, "failed to drag us into the war", this is an achievement !!! Let the Balts still bring down our planes, and we will tell them "you will not be able to drag us into the war" what kind of nonsense are you writing.
    1. b79w
      b79w 27 November 2015 10: 46 New
      10
      Do you really want to fight? Marry Masha Gessen and attack her!
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        1. 3officer
          3officer 27 November 2015 11: 16 New
          -4
          Quote: DIVAN SOLDIER
          Do you like that Russia wipes its nose everywhere?


          Of course they like, they have such a specialty - snot wipers, so let them work and rejoice that they only wipe their nose.
      2. tomket
        tomket 27 November 2015 12: 15 New
        +2
        Quote: b79w
        Do you really want to fight?

        Lishbynebylova, to whom apparently the author relates. That is the question. All the time you are whining about the fact that someone constantly wants to drag Russia in, everyone is looking for an excuse. Here they left the Russians in the Donbass, if only they wouldn’t drag you in, and limited themselves to the demands of an apology with Turkey. In the end, what? As a result, as in a proverb. we get both shame and war.
    2. Job
      Job 27 November 2015 11: 10 New
      +1
      So I suppose you want to fight, so maybe you will go to Donetsk or sign a contract in Syria
    3. Walking
      Walking 27 November 2015 15: 18 New
      0
      Quote: DIVAN SOLDIER
      Ahaha, "failed to drag us into the war", this is an achievement !!! Let the Balts still bring down our planes, and we will tell them "you will not be able to drag us into the war" what kind of nonsense are you writing.


      And you yourself will go to war, or you want others to die for you, you can easily talk about it while sitting at the computer, and you yourself are ready to go to fight or send your children to the war.
  • psiho117
    psiho117 27 November 2015 10: 28 New
    +6
    It’s a pity, of course, that the punishment will be in rubles, and not as we would like ...
    Well, I hope bats eat their bread for good reason, and there will still be a holiday on my street.
    1. 34 region
      34 region 27 November 2015 11: 06 New
      +5
      Why is it bad that the punishment will be financial? Do we ourselves experience an orgasm from the fines we are prescribed? And what punish them with a ruble is so good. Here, not only can sanctions be imposed on us, but also we. And this is a different level. Exposure is the level of strength. The question is only the coincidence of words and deeds. If affairs with words do not match, then we will substitute ourselves. They will laugh at us. If we say and do, then reach out to us. In my opinion the situation is this.
    2. Beaver
      Beaver 27 November 2015 11: 25 New
      +1
      And we urgently need to train the Syrians to shoot down turbojets. angry
      And we (Russia) what? We're nothing. We finally were not there. We do not know whose rocket it was. bully
  • a52333
    a52333 27 November 2015 10: 29 New
    +6
    Hitting Turkey with the dollar is by far the wisest decision. And even more effective than Yars or Caliber.

    Definitely. There is artillery preparation, and this pre-preparation
    1. hydrox
      hydrox 27 November 2015 10: 46 New
      +4
      Do not exaggerate: as soon as the Turks feel the lightness of their pockets, they will immediately begin to look for a replacement for the Sultan and, of course, it will be Davut-Oglu, and this is an old fox: he knows how to wait and learns from mistakes, which is why he’s still in the cage.
      1. Altona
        Altona 27 November 2015 12: 23 New
        +1
        Quote: hydrox
        Do not exaggerate: as soon as the Turks feel the lightness of their pockets, they will immediately begin to look for a replacement for the Sultan and, of course, it will be Davut-Oglu, and this is an old fox: he knows how to wait and learns from mistakes, which is why he’s still in the cage.

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        Yes, there in Turkey, too, not everything is clear, not everyone wants a replica of the Ottoman Empire and pan-Turkism. And even more so Erdogan cherry on this cake, there are protests and corruption scandal Erdogan hushed up, taking the post of President of Turkey. In general, the shit boils down in Turkey itself, because Erdogan "Turkizes" and "Islamizes" his country. But many do not need this inside Turkey itself ...
  • Mihalich17
    Mihalich17 27 November 2015 10: 29 New
    41
    Yesterday I went to the store. Passing by the vegetable rack, I saw tomatoes. Looked - Turkish ...
    You know, men, instead of a tomato, for a moment, saw the blood of our dead children in Syria!
    ... At the exit I heard a conversation between the administrator and sellers: "We remove Turkish goods and no longer purchase!"
    - I smiled, after all, we are not a nation of merchants, but merchants !!!
    Between the merchant and the Merchant, I think the difference does not need to be explained?
    1. RBLip
      RBLip 27 November 2015 10: 50 New
      +7
      Quote: Mihalich17
      You know, men, instead of a tomato, for a moment, saw the blood of our fallen guys in Syria!

      hi do not decrease, do not add. generally always fruits - vegetables tried to take their own. apples - Lebedyansky, vegetables - Krasnodar, tangerines - Abkhazian. moreover, it’s really tastier than Polish-Turkish-Spanish. beautiful, glossy, and the taste is cardboard.
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  • Alksay
    Alksay 27 November 2015 10: 29 New
    14
    Let them choke on their peaches with tomatoes ...
  • Franzum
    Franzum 27 November 2015 10: 33 New
    12
    Do not eat Turkish, you will become a Turk.
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 27 November 2015 10: 54 New
      +1
      Quote: Franzum
      Do not eat Turkish, you will become a Turk.

      kazlom!
  • djqnbdjqnb
    djqnbdjqnb 27 November 2015 10: 35 New
    +7
    That's right, beat the Turks with the economy. Although, if you fill up a couple of F-16s over Syrian territory - I will not mind
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    2. gjv
      gjv 27 November 2015 10: 55 New
      +1
      Quote: djqnbdjqnb
      if you fill up a couple of F-16s over Syrian territory - I will not mind

      All 208 fill up. And if he dares to shoot at us again, then heap in the bases to them. Ataturk, Balikesir, Diyarbakir, Izmir, Incirlik, Kayseri, Konya, Chigli, Chorlu, Erhach, Eskisehir with products of the Votkinsk plant.
    3. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 27 November 2015 11: 37 New
      +3
      Quote: djqnbdjqnb
      That's right, beat the Turks with the economy. Although, if you fill up a couple of F-16s over Syrian territory - I will not mind

      A little later - not now. They have more than 16 of these F-250s. First, we need to slightly increase our grouping, deploy air defense and electronic warfare systems, and there it is already possible to thin out their chicken coop.
      In the meantime, put pressure on their bargaining mentality with the loss of a sales market. They have just grown, harvested and packaged crops, and now all this needs to be unpacked, hung on trees and buried in the ground. Past the cash desk))) Now let the eggplants exchange dill with dill and trade for the hryvnia i.e. for the bucket
  • Zomanus
    Zomanus 27 November 2015 10: 35 New
    +2
    Of course, it’s interesting about Ukrainians.
    After all, Ukraine has always been a country "outside the law."
    Especially after gaining independence.
    Do not cross the road to your neighbors, deduct from the top and do what you want.
    Now how? And who will control compliance?
  • izya top
    izya top 27 November 2015 10: 35 New
    +6
    but still I would like to blow a bit of Turkish language repeat
    1. evil partisan
      evil partisan 27 November 2015 10: 52 New
      +5
      Quote: iza top
      but still I would like to blow a bit of Turkish language

      Well you, fucker wink! You just have to bang am! You can’t do anything else! request
      Here it is necessary technically repeat .
      1. izya top
        izya top 27 November 2015 10: 58 New
        +2
        Quote: wicked partisan
        You just have to bang

        what can you, but I don’t? recourse
    2. askort154
      askort154 27 November 2015 11: 46 New
      +1
      Izya top .... but still I would like to bungalow in Turkey


      A great option - an instant "otvetka" cruise missiles at the airfield basing. Practically execute, no problem.
      BUT for this it was necessary:
      - constantly control the airspace above
      Turkish, Iraqi and Israeli borders and be prepared
      repel an air attack at any second.
      - before you start using our videoconferencing, abandon the necessary
      EW funds and immediately put “Moscow” in place.
      And we, it seems, relaxed believing that the IS has no serious means of air defense, and the “partners” do not dare. So we got a “stab in the back" from one of the partners. We simply were not ready for
      instant response. We did not track the F-16 baraging
      at the very edge of the zone of our bombers leaving them
      without cover. But with the naked eye it is clear that the F-16
      guarded the work of our Su-24. And they kept watch.
      There would be an instant, as an adult, "otvetka" (like the Israeli ones), I am sure that the Turks would wave their fists together with NATO and calm down. As it was at 08.08.08/XNUMX/XNUMX.
      But since they missed, now we will chew snot with "imbargs" for a long time. I hope this will serve us as another science and draw conclusions.
  • urapatriot
    urapatriot 27 November 2015 10: 39 New
    +6
    "... Hitting Turkey with the dollar is by far the wisest decision. And even more effective than Yars or Caliber."
    Why does the author even see a dilemma here? It will be correct to punish both the "dollar" and the "caliber"
    The article is about nothing. In a nutshell: everything that the country's leadership does is right and wise.
  • Decathlon
    Decathlon 27 November 2015 10: 39 New
    +1
    "... most interesting ..."
    Yes, and not for you alone! Today, a colleague is flying out of Turkey. I talked to him: Turkish traders feverishly push clothes for a third of the previous price! In terms of the reliability of the information, I have no reason not to trust him. He openly says that he does not go to corporate parties with us in the sauna because of the size of the child-bearing organ. Not every brutal has so much courage!
  • triglav
    triglav 27 November 2015 10: 39 New
    +1
    For some reason, Erdogan and all sorts of parashenics and egg-laying decided that the Americans would intercede for them. But the latter are not quite right. With warlike rhetoric, there are enough brains not to dig into relations with Russia. Sanctions are already ridiculous. Yes, and Europe is slowly emerging. Grandma Angela will not always be chancellor ... And in France, Nicolas is drawn to power ...
  • Severomor
    Severomor 27 November 2015 10: 40 New
    10
    So what to do? The fate of the Baltic tigers.
    Mzht who will need)))
    1. ia-ai00
      ia-ai00 27 November 2015 10: 51 New
      +5
      It will be very necessary, thanks!
      And then, after all, the inscriptions on the goods are so tiny that you turn it, turn it over, it's impossible to read. And these figures, to help, DO NOT MISTAKE!
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  • Name
    Name 27 November 2015 10: 40 New
    13
    With all due respect to the writer, but, as a resident of the Far East, I rarely have to see goods from Turkey, all of China. It’s a pity THAT RUSSIA IS NOT, BECAUSE OF WHICH FIELDS ARE POSTING ... AND AREA PRODUCTION AREAS ... - horror. So Cho right time officials and public servants hope without quotes OUR concern about it! Although... recourse hard to believe however ...
    1. hydrox
      hydrox 27 November 2015 10: 51 New
      +2
      But this is Putin’s concern :: to disperse our five-column pr-in and switch to moboeconomics, otherwise we’ll be without pants in a year (to contain such a military-industrial complex is not to rinse clothes!)
    2. KUOLEMA
      KUOLEMA 27 November 2015 11: 08 New
      +3
      wow demons in the photo they seem to be who you can even roll up to the Turks in the asphalt
  • Aleksander
    Aleksander 27 November 2015 10: 40 New
    -3
    Yeah, there will be no military response, they will continue to sell gas and oil, they will continue to buy machine-building products, they will build nuclear plants, they will leave visa-free. As a result, only Turkish tomato and Turkish chicken (respectively, the buyer’s pocket) will suffer - yes, a “decent” answer ......
    1. hydrox
      hydrox 27 November 2015 10: 53 New
      +4
      Vanguete?
      There is nothing more disgraceful than a vanguard liberal, stop whining ...
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      2. Aleksander
        Aleksander 27 November 2015 14: 42 New
        +1
        Quote: hydrox
        Vanguete?
        There is nothing more disgraceful than a vanguard liberal, stop whining ...


        No, I’m saying what is really happening today.
        There is no one more despised than a stupid idiot, stop making things up ....
  • ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 27 November 2015 10: 41 New
    +5
    There is no doubt that Erdogan will order his dogs to provoke the Armed Forces of Russia, all the more so as SUSHYa will push them to this, and "help" them in every possible way.
    Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said that if a Turkish combat aircraft is shot down over Syrian airspace from the S-400 complex, Ankara will regard this as an act of aggression

    It seems that Erdogan considers the territory of Syria to be his own ... am
  • dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 27 November 2015 10: 45 New
    +3
    I don’t know, but I never wanted to go to Turkey to rest! Even in Cuba it turned out to be much more interesting! For the same money, a lot of fun. And what kind of girls are there ... it's generally fantastic!
    1. Greenwood
      Greenwood 27 November 2015 11: 00 New
      +1
      Cuba is much more expensive, definitely.
    2. 3officer
      3officer 27 November 2015 11: 05 New
      0
      Quote: dchegrinec
      I don’t know, but I never wanted to go to Turkey to rest! Even in Cuba it turned out to be much more interesting! For the same money, a lot of fun. And what kind of girls are there ... it's generally fantastic!


      Speaking of girls. And what about the "disliked" aunts - the Egyptian horses were banned so now they’ve banned the Turkish macho !! How do you order import substitution now? Through Belarus to get to "Natasha I tebu lub" love
      1. Uncle VasyaSayapin
        Uncle VasyaSayapin 27 November 2015 12: 04 New
        +1
        Let the improvised means replace. On domestic greenhouse cucumbers, pimples are usually more common than on imported ones. Or let them knock - there is no family, nafig with a cart.
  • Neputin
    Neputin 27 November 2015 10: 48 New
    +4
    I have dual feelings in this situation. My heart wants some Turkish litak to “land”, but I understand with my mind that we are not ready (and will not be ready soon) for a large-scale military conflict. In addition, I do not think that Erdogan and Putin have such steel eggs for starting a full-scale war. Economic sanctions are good, of course, but they hit both sides. It is disgusting of course, but one has to predict a “moderately tough” economic response, nothing more. But before what country was! ALL AROUND !!!
  • tolyasik0577
    tolyasik0577 27 November 2015 10: 58 New
    +4
    And we are sitting and preparing a tender. The object that was given to the Turks will now be built by Russian companies. Cheers comrades, cheers. By the way, the Turks had good prices. Here explain to me why the Turks are given good prices and Russian companies work for a penny ?! In the construction industry is just a complete mess, gentlemen.
    1. KUOLEMA
      KUOLEMA 27 November 2015 11: 11 New
      +2
      Kickbacks and cuts here is a recipe for domestic construction
    2. Mikhail Krapivin
      Mikhail Krapivin 27 November 2015 13: 52 New
      0
      Quote: tolyasik0577
      In the construction industry is just a complete mess, gentlemen.



      And not only in it. "This is Russia, brother!" one friend of mine speaks of such criticism. But we are optimists and constantly hope for the best.
  • alex-pmr
    alex-pmr 27 November 2015 10: 58 New
    +2
    And the puppeteer is overseas ... That's who wants to push one of his satellites with Russia. And then: "What am I? What am I not ... It's them themselves"
    1. Zlyden.Zlo
      Zlyden.Zlo 27 November 2015 11: 33 New
      0
      The initiative was purely Turkish. Neither the US nor NATO subscribe for Erdogan
  • Mowgli
    Mowgli 27 November 2015 11: 02 New
    +1
    Russia supplies its traditional goods to Turkey - gas, oil and oil products, as well as metals, coal, wheat.


    That’s bad that basic "traditional" goods for Russia (and even more so for Kazakhstan) are raw materials, not products made from these resources (except for products from the Russian military-industrial complex).
  • erased
    erased 27 November 2015 11: 03 New
    +1
    Here are all these considerations, and by the time of June 22, 1941, our trade with Germany was enormous and we had big grandmas from that. True, I did not go to resorts. But someone tried to give a hint about the fact that they say, do not fight !!! How much more would he chat? Five seconds? ..
    Turkey has not yet attacked Russia. But the fact of the downing of our aircraft in the sky of a third country is an occasion! And here purely financial issues recede into the background. Or Russia has honor and dignity, or it ... just territory.
    1. Mikhail Krapivin
      Mikhail Krapivin 27 November 2015 13: 55 New
      +2
      The true truth. With my own eyes I saw a death sentence only for "the assumption of a possible victory in the war of Nazi Germany." And after the verdict - a note: the verdict is executed, senior lieutenant of the NKVD Polikarpov. I’ve remembered it all my life.
    2. tolancop
      tolancop 27 November 2015 15: 15 New
      +1
      And there was an order for provocations not to succumb. And for the violation came ....
      And did not succumb either in the West or in the East ....
  • Awaz
    Awaz 27 November 2015 11: 04 New
    +2
    Guys, revenge according to the scheme: an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth, is ineffective, and it looks from the outside as an offended behavior. At the moment, it is necessary to continue the military operation and for some time it will focus specifically on pro-Turkish bandits and oil traffic to Turkey. Do it without hysteria, quietly and systematically. Well, the Kurds ... then God himself ordered
    1. Mikhail Krapivin
      Mikhail Krapivin 27 November 2015 13: 57 New
      0
      Gradually, but steadily. I completely agree.
  • provincial
    provincial 27 November 2015 11: 09 New
    -1
    there is speculation, if the US wants Turkey to declare war on the Russian Federation, then let Erdogan protect his son and son-in-law. The CIA is capable of anything.
  • driver
    driver 27 November 2015 11: 15 New
    0
    But the captain told us calmly: it is not yet evening ...
  • soroKING
    soroKING 27 November 2015 11: 17 New
    +1
    Quote: AUL
    What does "maybe" mean? A neighbor who was always considered neutral-friendly and harmless hit in the back for no reason! So the tension here is already quite real.
    I'm worried about something else. A wave of screams like “bombing! Drop special forces! Tear! Select straits!” from our schoolchildren-captains sofas. Well, of course, the louder you scream, the more pluses, the cooler shoulder straps. It is clear that they themselves do not plan to take AK in their hands and go to the trenches. But let the kids climb on Wiki and take an interest in the state of the Turkish armed forces. Especially the fleet. They will be unpleasantly surprised.
    In the sixties they talked about the Japanese economic miracle. In the mid-70s about Korean. In the 80s, already about Turkish. Turkey is a country with a stable economy, a strong army and, moreover, a member of NATO. What they say now that NATO has already leaked Turkey will not harness for it - I am sure that this is a strategic level disa. Harness up! It’s just that they are pushing us to war to bring down our economy. In Ukraine, it didn’t work out - they try with the Turks. After all, it was not the Turks who shot down our plane, the mattresses did it with the hands of the Turks!
    Why am I all this. The answer must be given, and very tough. But by the same method as the mattresses put pressure on us - to bring down the economy of the Turks. How - a lot has already been said about this.
    Come on, deuce, sprinkle uncle minus!

    I absolutely agree with you +
  • nekot
    nekot 27 November 2015 11: 17 New
    +1
    Again, just would not be pulled, etc. It is mentioned that Erdogan deliberately pumps up - and again, most importantly, not to give in. Turkish planes will fly over Syria, again the main thing is not to succumb. Yes, Syria, already waging a war, and then shot down a Turkish plane in 2012, and we all will not give in? Get a Turk to get a war? Is the author of the article trying to assure us of this? Stupidity. But if we don’t beat it, we will get our new downed planes and, ultimately, the war. To attack the Turks, few call for it, but there must be an answer to rudeness.
  • starshina pv
    starshina pv 27 November 2015 11: 29 New
    +1
    state farms need to be raised !!! everything will be his !!!
  • epsilon571
    epsilon571 27 November 2015 11: 34 New
    +5
    In fairness, it should be noted that after yesterday's arrival of Hollande, the rhetoric on our part has become more stringent. Medvedev finally clearly spoke about economic projects, some of which will now be reset or curtailed, and also mentioned the gas pipeline, which, together with the nuclear power plant, is subject to sanctions. Well, let’s see, common sense, and perhaps our indignation, finally paid off. Erdogan, as you already know, refused to apologize, and besides, he warned Russia against attempts to destroy Turkish aircraft over Syrian territory (hmm. Is this his territory?). The ice has broken, gentlemen of the jury, the ice has broken! Yes, I completely forgot to say about Putin’s worthy answers at yesterday’s press conference, including about the S-400, from which the Turks who tried to fly off yesterday were blown off by the wind. The landscape above the place where our plane was shot down from was straightened, and at the same time they destroyed some column, and what they wanted - In war, as in war!
  • Zlyden.Zlo
    Zlyden.Zlo 27 November 2015 11: 36 New
    +1
    It was a purely Turkish initiative. Recently, they spoiled relations with everyone. Interestingly, many of our tourists will go there to relax?
    1. Aqr009
      Aqr009 27 November 2015 12: 20 New
      -1
      I think the number of people who want to go on vacation to Turkey will not be affected. Politics by politics, and comfort by comfort. Why for miscalculations of generals and politicians (who by the way can afford to have a rest at the most expensive resorts) should simple workers from frozen Siberia have to pay?
  • 3axap82
    3axap82 27 November 2015 11: 41 New
    0
    Reminds snot last year in Ukraine, when NURSY flew from them to the Rostov region. Hit the house-keeper. sanctions, turn off the gas, Poroshenko will be displaced, Maidan 3.0, if something we are "a-ta ta all", muddy and unverified reports about some kind of revenge for Odessa. This is all to calm the indignant crowd. The result is zero. And here it will be the same with such rhetoric. Now when you speak some kind of foreigner who speaks good Russian in Russian about the strength of Russia, they will ask you: "Have you already avenged your plane? No !? Well, it's okay, we are also a regional power." By the way, the day before yesterday, the Pole Solovyov mocked the guest.
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 27 November 2015 11: 47 New
    +2
    that’s how strong the throne of Erdogan is, we will see.

    Maybe we'll see. But so far, in the wake of the "patriotism" created by the efforts of Erdogan and the media, the Turks (philistines) are already writing to the ceiling from the "courage and courage" of their president. Awareness of what has been done can and will come, but later and not for everyone.
  • nik1321
    nik1321 27 November 2015 11: 49 New
    +1
    Interestingly, and who guaranteed that there would be no military response ??? The question has not been resolved at all, that the first answer is economic and everything is right .. Everything has its time. Now you need time to think. Even Erdogan is Turkey’s present-day person who can better understand the current situation. And he needs to give all possible assistance.
    Here, not only our tourists, but also foreigners should think about their safety - if they are in Turkey.
  • wild
    wild 27 November 2015 12: 15 New
    +2
    Here, everyone unanimously says that it is necessary to bring down the economy of Turkey, but will it come to this, will there be enough time ?? imagine that tomorrow the Turks will fly over Syria and put down our bombers, and the land group will enter Syria, and specifically Latakia.
    1. vladimirw
      vladimirw 27 November 2015 12: 23 New
      +3
      these can, but will ours answer?
    2. 3axap82
      3axap82 27 November 2015 14: 55 New
      +1
      You're right. And they already drove tanks to the border. We flew there to bomb the "rebellious zusuls," and met aggression from the 2nd largest NATO army. What did our intelligence think? MFA? We did not know that Turkey buys oil from ISIS?
  • vladimirw
    vladimirw 27 November 2015 12: 22 New
    +1
    I agree with the article, but personally, Erdogan must be soaked, blood for blood. East is a delicate matter, but without revenge we will lose respect
  • X
    X Y Z 27 November 2015 12: 44 New
    +1
    Hitting Turkey with the dollar is by far the wisest decision. And even more effective than Yars or Caliber.


    Very wise. The Turks, like many Eastern peoples, it is customary to defend their own regardless of whether he is guilty or not. So why do we need to rally the Turkish nation around Erdogan when not everyone there loves him and whose situation is rather precarious. Do we want to extend his political life? The combination of economic and some military measures that could lead to his resignation will be much more significant. The most important thing is that these measures be taken, and not be limited to a simple speaking and frowning of the eyebrows. Then shame cannot be avoided.
  • imugn
    imugn 27 November 2015 12: 48 New
    0
    The Americans may be rubbing their hands: Russia has just criticized them for imposing sanctions bypassing the UN, and now it has followed in their footsteps. Maybe that's why there is no official announcement of the imposition of sanctions, but only claims to product quality.
  • v.yegorov
    v.yegorov 27 November 2015 18: 36 New
    0
    And Belarus has become a sort of buffer between the EU and Russia. He catches salmon and trout in Norwegian and Danish waters (the success of the Belarusian fishing fleet cannot be underestimated), grows plums and peaches not worse than Moldovan, Belarusian apples are definitely not worse than Polish ones. Belarusian businessmen and tourism in Egypt and Turkey will take over.

    And besides, as E. Satanovsky said, the Old Man undertook to sell the old Soviet air defense systems to Qatar, from where they would go by the direct course of the IS. To the war, and
    to whom mother is dear. God gave ally!
  • PWG
    PWG 28 November 2015 05: 56 New
    0
    What insightful people were our ancestors! ...