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Russian Defense Ministry may send more about 10 fighters to Syria

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The Russian Armed Forces General Staff is considering the possibility of transferring an additional 10-12 fighter to a Russian base in Syria in order to provide cover for each bomber, reports RIA News message of the newspaper Kommersant.




Earlier, Sergei Shoigu said that all actions shock aviation in Syria will be carried out under the guise of fighters.

“Before the incident with the Russian bomber, the planes flew without a cover, because there was no potential danger from the ground. Intelligence did not record the presence of MANPADS from the terrorists of the Islamic State banned in Russia, and no one seriously considered the threat of an attack from coalition planes led by the United States. ”- a military source told the newspaper.

“Now, each of the 24 front-line bombers will fly accompanied by a fighter. According to the Kommersant interlocutor, in connection with this, the General Staff is considering the possibility of increasing fighter aviation on Khmeimim even on 10-12 machines, so that each of Su-24M and Su-34 works on targets together with Su-27M or Su-30СМ - writes the publication.
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  1. Fisman
    Fisman 26 November 2015 10: 07 New
    26
    Long overdue!
    1. 79807420129
      79807420129 26 November 2015 10: 11 New
      14
      You need to rely only on yourself.
      1. Alexey-74
        Alexey-74 26 November 2015 11: 54 New
        +4
        still Mi-28 and Ka-52 turntables would have thrown, at the same time, and experienced them in real hostilities ..... I think it's time
    2. vkl-47
      vkl-47 26 November 2015 10: 12 New
      13
      it was all necessary to do it out of the ordinary. and with us, as always, until the thunder strikes ...
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 26 November 2015 10: 15 New
        12
        Quote: vkl-47
        it was all necessary to do it out of the ordinary. and with us, as always, until the thunder strikes ...

        Everyone is smart in hindsight.
        1. _Vladislav_
          _Vladislav_ 26 November 2015 10: 31 New
          16
          paired with a Su-27SM or Su-30SM

          That's interesting.
          In the air group of the Russian aerospace forces, Sukhoi aircraft were widely used. Why not use MiGs.
          By the way, for air combat, a more maneuverable machine (due to the fact that it is lighter), is well suited for combat with the same light F-16, and significantly outperforms the F-15 in this indicator.

          Just wondering. Recently, the products of the MiG Design Bureau are somehow not being used. After Su created PAK FA, it turns out they made the main bet.

          PS
          As is the case with OKB Mil and Kamov. The Ka-52 is a good helicopter, but the main stake is on the Mi-28.
          1. max702
            max702 26 November 2015 10: 45 New
            +2
            Quote: _Vladislav_
            That's interesting.
            In the air group of the Russian aerospace forces, Sukhoi aircraft were widely used. Why not use MiGs.
            By the way, for air combat, a more maneuverable machine (due to the fact that it is lighter), is well suited for combat with the same light F-16, and significantly outperforms the F-15 in this indicator.

            Just wondering. Recently, the products of the MiG Design Bureau are somehow not being used. After Su created PAK FA, it turns out they made the main bet.

            And on which to bring different assortment? Have you thought about supply, but about maintenance? Yes, the combat qualities of the MIGs are greatly exaggerated, especially in light of the extremely short range, Dryers are preferable here, and for this reason, if you remember that there are very few MIGs-29 ready for the database, then why not fool around .. It’s even easier with MI-28, without " night "(and it’s not there, they’re just designing) the stations its combat qualities are no different from MI-24 (these, at least in extreme cases, can pick up a crippled crew)
            1. _Vladislav_
              _Vladislav_ 26 November 2015 10: 50 New
              +2
              Quote: max702
              this reason, and if you remember that there are very few MIG-29s ready for the database, then why not fool around

              It turns out that the MiG is gradually being covered up for lack of prospects.
              Again, the incomprehensible situation with the MiG-35 (MiGovsky 4 ++) does not find its implementation / application.
            2. amba balamut 77
              amba balamut 77 26 November 2015 14: 42 New
              0
              Mi-28 has a compartment in the aft beam in two places. And the Ka-52 was nothing but the accuracy of firing from a cannon, the MI-24 didn’t surpass it very well, although not at the price. Regarding fighters, I completely agree.
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          2. silver_roman
            silver_roman 26 November 2015 10: 55 New
            +8
            MiGs have a small radius, more frequent adjustments will be needed. Dryers can hang in a given area in anticipation of another raid for example. One bombed, went to the base, the second flew in, And one drying covers the entire raid.
            If Kuzya was on the go, it would be possible to test the Mig-29K in practice.
            And for air combat maneuverability is unlikely to be needed.
            By the way, on the Su-34 you can catch explosives, at least a couple. Of course, this will reduce the bomb load, but it will unload the fighters.
            By the way, can the su-24 work with air-to-air?
            1. _Vladislav_
              _Vladislav_ 26 November 2015 11: 10 New
              +4
              Quote: silver_roman
              By the way, can the su-24 work with air-to-air?

              Theoretical yes. I watched a plot on this subject. You can hang explosive missiles, but even so, the chances of a bomber against an F-16 fighter are negligible.
            2. lopvlad
              lopvlad 26 November 2015 11: 37 New
              +3
              Quote: silver_roman
              By the way, on the Su-34 you can catch explosives, at least a couple. Of course, this will reduce the bomb load, but it will unload the fighters.


              it’s not a matter of missiles, but of maneuverability. Each aircraft should be engaged in what is “imprisoned” by designers. Therefore, it is ideal when 1 bomber + 1 escort fighter.
              What happened should not be repeated.
              1. silver_roman
                silver_roman 26 November 2015 11: 46 New
                +2
                This is clear. I heard that there are rockets firing backwards. here is a sitashashka: f-16, go back to launch a rocket, and then it immediately flies into the bread from the su-24. it would be a simple song.
            3. Alexey-74
              Alexey-74 26 November 2015 11: 52 New
              +1
              they may have said, but these are not their properties
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          4. red_october
            red_october 26 November 2015 10: 56 New
            +4
            I'm wondering why Su-35C is not used.

            Firstly, the car is a cut above the Su-30. In a matter of seconds, a situation may arise when this advantage of the Su-35 is critical.
            (Yes, and there are not enough places at the airdrome. And I’ll remind you that Su-27СМ are planning to send reinforcements to the Syrian group)

            Secondly, a break-in in the fighting. And it’s good for us, and the export potential will grow.
            1. _Vladislav_
              _Vladislav_ 26 November 2015 11: 13 New
              +3
              Quote: red_october
              I'm wondering why Su-35C is not used.

              And here is a really good question.
              The machine is adopted. It is so-so-so. I think it would be possible to try.
          5. DobryAAH
            DobryAAH 26 November 2015 12: 10 New
            +4
            Kamov plant in Lyubertsy want to merge with Milevsky. So it will turn out, as with the MIGs. Well, of course, all the workshops will be destroyed, and the territory will be built up with houses. This is the real happiness of an entrepreneur. Break the plant, build up boxes, open offices, sell foreign consumer goods.
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          7. petr1965
            petr1965 26 November 2015 23: 43 New
            0
            Sushkas have a better reputation in every way.
          8. KnightRider
            KnightRider 27 November 2015 00: 24 New
            0
            Quote: _Vladislav_
            That's interesting.
            In the air group of the Russian aerospace forces, Sukhoi aircraft were widely used. Why not use MiGs.
            By the way, for air combat, a more maneuverable machine (due to the fact that it is lighter), is well suited for combat with the same light F-16, and significantly outperforms the F-15 in this indicator.

            About the Ethiopo-Eritrean conflict 1998-2000 read)
      2. Grenader
        Grenader 26 November 2015 10: 34 New
        +5
        Quote: vkl-47
        it was all necessary to do it out of the ordinary. and with us, as always, until the thunder strikes ...

        The base in Latakia does not allow to accommodate more aircraft. According to this, part of the strikes on the Basmachi are inflicted by strategists. A new airdrome is under construction and the number of aircraft in the Russian Federation in Syria is likely to be significantly increased.
    3. venaya
      venaya 26 November 2015 10: 12 New
      -2
      Fisman: Long overdue!
      so that each of the Su-24M and Su-34 works on targets paired with the Su-27SM or Su-30SM

      Although such a benefit from humiliation for the downed our plane. And also remember about the additionally supplied air defense systems, there are already a lot of compensations being accumulated, if I may say so. The culprits of the tragedy must be punished in any way possible, such a tradition.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 26 November 2015 10: 15 New
        +1
        Quote: venaya

        Although such a benefit from humiliation for the downed our plane.

        And who was humiliated?
        1. venaya
          venaya 26 November 2015 10: 19 New
          +5
          Alexander Romanov (4): "And who was humiliated?"- all of us. Not in the know?
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 26 November 2015 10: 51 New
            +5
            Quote: venaya
            And who was humiliated? "- all of us. Not in the know?

            Why don't I feel humiliated?
            For you personally, Ch.M.O. was not born that Russia could humiliate!
            1. _Vladislav_
              _Vladislav_ 26 November 2015 11: 00 New
              11
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              For you personally, Ch.M.O. was not born that Russia could humiliate!

              Well, actually this is Ch.M.O. born and even lives not very bad. He also gives advice.
              M.S. Gorbachev and others like him, actually once, back in 1990 ... and so on, they committed a certain action related to the humiliation of Russia.

              With regards to the fallen plane. I do not think this is a humiliation. Nobody forced us to stop airstrikes, moreover, the intensity increased.
              1. Nosgoth
                Nosgoth 27 November 2015 16: 00 New
                0
                I forgot about E.B.N.
            2. dr. sem
              dr. sem 26 November 2015 11: 01 New
              +3
              Are you my friend (Alexander Romanov) an alien ???
              1. arane
                arane 26 November 2015 11: 27 New
                +4
                Quote: dr. sem
                Are you my friend (Alexander Romanov) an alien ???


                HUMILIATE
                Ozhegov Dictionary online | The concept, interpretation, definition, meaning of words and words
                Words of letter: Y |

                TO REDUCE, - I see, - you see; - married; soy someone. Offend someone's worthy pride pride. With a mockery. II nah to humiliate, -ay, -you. II return Unismo-I am. -wish. W. Zo yagi: NR.GL,


                Therefore, humiliation can be considered as an individual reaction to the insult of the one who was insulted. That is, with the same insult, one is humiliated, and the other is not.
                In essence, a person cannot be humiliated, a person is humiliated himself
                1. _Vladislav_
                  _Vladislav_ 26 November 2015 11: 35 New
                  +3
                  Quote: arane
                  Therefore, humiliation can be considered as an individual reaction to the insult of the one who was insulted. That is, with the same insult, one is humiliated, and the other is not.
                  In essence, a person cannot be humiliated, a person is humiliated himself

                  Cool laughing
                  Nichrome did not understand, but fun. A plus)
                  1. arane
                    arane 26 November 2015 21: 13 New
                    +3
                    Quote: _Vladislav_
                    Quote: arane
                    Therefore, humiliation can be considered as an individual reaction to the insult of the one who was insulted. That is, with the same insult, one is humiliated, and the other is not.
                    In essence, a person cannot be humiliated, a person is humiliated himself

                    Cool laughing
                    Nichrome did not understand, but fun. A plus)


                    Thank you. laughing
                    It’s hard to describe what I think.
                    I meant the following. Someone was given a erysipelas, after which he began to crawl and kiss his boots. He is humiliated.
                    The same situation, only instead of kissing the shoes gave in the face, and in the crotch for fidelity. He is not humiliated.

                    T e actions of the offender does not humiliate, but creates a situation. Well, something like this, if schematically
                2. dr. sem
                  dr. sem 26 November 2015 13: 03 New
                  0
                  Yay, Harvard, Oxford ???
                  Keep your conclusions to yourself.
                  1. arane
                    arane 26 November 2015 22: 05 New
                    +1
                    Quote: dr. sem
                    Yay, Harvard, Oxford ???
                    Keep your conclusions to yourself.


                    I apologize if you tell me, then - to them. S.O. Makarova.
                    We are not exchanging for such a trifle as Harvard and Oxford. laughing
            3. venaya
              venaya 26 November 2015 11: 27 New
              +5
              Alexander Romanov (4): Why don't I feel humiliated?
              For me, this is also a mystery. I recall that when the first Petrovsky ship went to sea, to the Baltic then, then some Ch.M.O. our new ship was not greeted with a Danish or English pennant at his meeting, as was customary at that time with welcoming cannon shots, as the captain of our ship ordered us to shoot our cannons directly at another ship, and thus made us respect our pennant. I believe that to this level of respect it is necessary to bring today all foreign ships, both sea, and air or space, we have a VKS. Respect must be total! And who doubts that?
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 26 November 2015 12: 21 New
                0
                Quote: venaya
                I believe that to this level of respect it is necessary to bring today all foreign ships, both sea, and air or space, we have a VKS.

                Immediately offer to start a nuclear war against the United States, otherwise they constantly crap in our direction.
                Venya, I thought you were smarter, wrong, it happens hi
                1. venaya
                  venaya 26 November 2015 13: 30 New
                  0
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  . start a nuclear war against the USAotherwise they constantly shit in our direction ...

                  And why immediately so rude? Is it possible to achieve respect from nuclear ashes, and not collected in the urn? Here it is possible and much smarter to act, for example, by electromagnetic radiation, including in the optical range, it will be more decent, and in this case it will be someone to gain respect. I believe that this option would be much smarter, especially since such a practice already existed on the Black Sea. So it’s worth being not just smarter, but much smarter and smarter, even if it’s very difficult. It is advisable not to be very mistaken, it is better to think a little longer, sometimes it helps a lot!
                2. Nosgoth
                  Nosgoth 27 November 2015 16: 03 New
                  0
                  no, pissing in fear like you ("the main thing is that you don’t sew up, and so we OGO-GO")
          2. murking
            murking 26 November 2015 11: 39 New
            0
            I don’t think that they humiliate or offended should be applied to politics, when at 90 they blew up our houses and cut our heads, I didn’t see the queues at the military enlistment office of the humiliated and offended, but now, like a moth, they have come out from everywhere and everyone has a desire to blow up the nuclei. We must do what we did and do not forget that in the same Turkey, not everyone supports Erdogan’s action and many are well disposed towards Russia. In general, maybe this American strategy works on our isolation and Erdogan simply set up his country.
            1. venaya
              venaya 26 November 2015 11: 59 New
              +1
              murking "I do not think"- But I already had time to think. People in our country have been brought to such a state that many have lost all sorts of guiding lines as to what can cause insulting or humiliation, especially humiliation of the officers, the most sensitive in this regard due to their peculiarities concept That’s why today our enemies are trying to belittle our country with insults in the form of attack and even destruction of our combat aircraft. If the meaning of the terms is not clear, then I’ll try to explain them if I succeed. And what happened in the 90s is more than humiliation, it would be just horror, I don’t even want to remember.
      2. Altona
        Altona 26 November 2015 12: 30 New
        +1
        Quote: venaya
        Although such a benefit from humiliation for the downed our plane.

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        The consumables are at war, but there is no war without losses ... Such is la la vie ... A la hero com a la hero ... This is normal ... This is not our humiliation, this is a Turkish cant, they wanted to have some kind of political capital, but they had the smut and provocation for the hot World War III, because a democratic nation would have launched an expeditionary operation today and smashed Turkish air defense, tankodromes and airfields ... Also, the "benefit of humiliation", in general incomprehensible phrase ... You can win all the battles and lose the war, diplomats and politicians end the war, and they distribute the fruits of victories ... A victorious marshal can take out a train with household utensils and furniture to the maximum or protect a side business in a "losing" country, no use he no longer has ...
        1. venaya
          venaya 26 November 2015 13: 58 New
          0
          Quote: Altona
          ... "the benefits of humiliation," in general an incomprehensible phrase ...

          Indeed, perhaps you are right. Yes, I myself did not know how to more accurately express my thought. The idea was to squeeze the maximum of all the useful out of the current situation with the downed SU-24. Unfortunately, in connection with the time pressure of the time, I did not find a better formulated turn of speech, perhaps it was worth refusing to write the entire post. It’s just usually a difficult idea and difficult to express and especially intelligible. Not the first time I've come across this.
    4. sined0707
      sined0707 26 November 2015 10: 30 New
      +1
      Tell me, who is in the know how events might develop. If on the day of the tragedy su 24 covered. I mean, in such a situation, the fighter pilot takes it, is he really beating ahead of the curve?
      1. Funnels
        Funnels 26 November 2015 11: 06 New
        +2
        They would also lose a fighter.
        1. lelikas
          lelikas 26 November 2015 11: 14 New
          +3
          Quote: Funnels
          They would also lose a fighter.

          With cuckoo? It’s just that the landings would not attack, that’s all, and if they had become, they would have lost theirs. The maximum has changed 1k1,
          1. Funnels
            Funnels 26 November 2015 11: 41 New
            +7
            From tutuya. The Turks prepared this provocation. I am still surprised that our second “Su” was not shot down. Ours were NOT READY for a “stab in the back."
            I didn’t doubt that I would pick cons.
      2. dr. sem
        dr. sem 26 November 2015 11: 07 New
        +2
        Must beat. Do you know the flight mission ...
      3. arane
        arane 26 November 2015 11: 30 New
        +4
        Most likely, just a provocation would be canceled. In such a situation, our advances would not work. We have no war with Turkey. But in the event of an attack on our aircraft from Turkey, there would be an instant response
      4. DobryAAH
        DobryAAH 26 November 2015 12: 20 New
        +2
        The Turks would know that we had a fighter in tandem, would have been sadanuli from the Patriot and from 5 fighters. The loss would have been in 2 aircraft. The fact of the matter is that they were sitting in ambush, and we did not expect a blow, now we are waiting.
        If you sit with a crowbar in ambush and hit a man with it for no reason, there is no salvation.
        I don’t know, nonsense, not nonsense. At the G20 summit, Obama approved Erdogan’s plan to destroy the Russian plane
        http://lifenews.ru/news/171808
        There would be another preparation for the operation of the Turks.
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      6. Altona
        Altona 26 November 2015 12: 22 New
        +3
        Quote: sined0707
        Tell me, who is in the know how events might develop. If on the day of the tragedy su 24 covered. I mean, in such a situation, the fighter pilot takes it, is he really beating ahead of the curve?

        ---------------------------
        The fighter pilot sees on his monitor the whole situation in the air and can launch a volley at the fighter, but in general, things like our current bombing are done simplistically ... There should be a powerful radar on the base or the group should receive constant radar support about the current operational situation in the area military operations (although it will be objected that the satellite is giving the situation) ... Or there should be a plane in the air or an AWACS helicopter giving the situation ... The director of interference, electronic countermeasures should hang in the air ... The Israelis know better how to act in conditions confrontations with Arab aviation ... King of Jordan Abdullah II, by the way, is a first-class active pilot and probably also rubbed with Putin about interaction ...
    5. samoletil18
      samoletil18 26 November 2015 10: 36 New
      +2
      Quote: Fisman
      Long overdue!

      Each flight departs for the expenditure of resources. Saved. Now, not to save.
      1. Valentine
        Valentine 26 November 2015 11: 15 New
        +4
        Immediately after Patrushev reported a sabotage “track” on the fallen Boeing, the Moscow Region decided to allow the “free hunt” for bombers,
        the destruction of the columns of fuel trucks exporting fuel from Syria. and in view of the "clear sky" they went into search without fighter cover.
        1. Altona
          Altona 26 November 2015 13: 17 New
          +2
          Quote: Valentine
          In view of the "clear skies" they went into search without fighter cover.

          ----------------------
          Well, who thought that fuel trucks would snarl like that and request air cover? The Turks simply honestly did not say that they were guarding their property carrying smuggled oil ... It turns out interestingly, excavators do not snarl, and fuel trucks snarl ...
    6. Vadim237
      Vadim237 26 November 2015 10: 41 New
      -3
      If the Turks want to bring down the plane again, then the fighters will not stop it - the Patriot air defense system will be driven to the border and shoot down what you want at a distance of 200 kilometers.
      1. DobryAAH
        DobryAAH 26 November 2015 12: 32 New
        +1
        At 200? And no one will detect the launch? Well, I still admit 30 km, and even some missile defense maneuvers can be done, say, with a stone down to the ground, from 6 km, and look for fistulas.
        A rocket does not fly at the speed of light.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 26 November 2015 12: 42 New
          +1
          The start will be spotted, but this will not make it easier for you - the speed of the hit targets for Patriot missiles is 2200 meters per second and an overload of 30g, and if the plane goes below six kilometers, it can become prey to MANPADS or even worse - maybe Turkey has already delivered medium-range air defense systems ISIS militants - we don’t know that.
          1. DobryAAH
            DobryAAH 26 November 2015 13: 13 New
            +1
            MANPADS when moving along the ground at low altitude is powerless.
            Russian Su-25 "Rook". Syria. Russian aces at low altitude
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlxXedRQnc4
          2. Altona
            Altona 26 November 2015 13: 48 New
            +2
            Quote: Vadim237
            The start will be spotted, but this will not make it easier for you - the speed of the hit targets for Patriot missiles is 2200 meters per second and an overload of 30g, and if the plane goes below six kilometers, it can become prey to MANPADS or even worse - maybe Turkey has already delivered medium-range air defense systems ISIS militants - we don’t know that.

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            The operation of the air defense and air defense radar does not take place in a vacuum, but will be monitored by electronic intelligence and will be counteracted by electronic warfare ...
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 26 November 2015 17: 12 New
              0
              EW has already "worked" on a downed Su 24.
              1. Altona
                Altona 26 November 2015 21: 47 New
                0
                Quote: Vadim237
                EW has already "worked" on a downed Su 24.

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                It was empty ... without nifig ...
            2. DobryAAH
              DobryAAH 27 November 2015 12: 03 New
              0
              Yes, and the speed of the rocket is 3-5M. Not 2200 msec.
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      3. Altona
        Altona 26 November 2015 13: 45 New
        0
        Quote: Vadim237
        If the Turks want to bring down the plane again, then the fighters will not stop it - the Patriot air defense system will be driven to the border and shoot down what you want at a distance of 200 kilometers.

        -----------------------
        "Caliber" or 101st will fly there, and all business ...
    7. marlin1203
      marlin1203 26 November 2015 11: 27 New
      0
      The fighters were there from the very beginning. Why was there no cover? At least at the Turkish border, i.e. in the most dangerous place? Where did intelligence look?
      1. Funnels
        Funnels 26 November 2015 14: 09 New
        +3
        Because ISIS does not have aviation, and nobody put the = sign between ISIS and Turkey (NATO).
    8. whiteeagle
      whiteeagle 26 November 2015 11: 34 New
      -6
      Turkey has nearly 300 fighters — several Russian fighters make no difference. It’s just time to stop flying along the Turkish border because it may be the second Tsushima.
      1. lopvlad
        lopvlad 26 November 2015 11: 51 New
        +2
        Quote: whiteeagle
        several Russian fighters makes no difference


        the difference will be changed by the S-400 complex with a reserve of missiles for each of 300 Turkish fighters.
      2. DobryAAH
        DobryAAH 26 November 2015 12: 36 New
        0
        For the West, Tsushima is expected in the next 10 years. I advise you to get out of there on time.
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    9. Tor5
      Tor5 26 November 2015 11: 48 New
      +1
      Not a “can,” but a must!
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  2. Gandelman
    Gandelman 26 November 2015 10: 07 New
    -26
    When will the Yars be transferred?
    1. podpolkovnik
      podpolkovnik 26 November 2015 10: 25 New
      +3
      Quote: Gandelman
      When will the Yars be transferred?
      1. MIKHAN
        MIKHAN 26 November 2015 10: 32 New
        +3
        Russia is focusing the peasants .... And a retaliation strike will be necessary! We have no right to make a mistake. NATO smiles maliciously, for now .... Well, well.
        1. _Vladislav_
          _Vladislav_ 26 November 2015 10: 46 New
          +1
          Quote: Gandelman
          When will the Yars be transferred?

          Meaning?
          Yars does not need to be thrown anywhere, he is already Yars.
    2. PQ-18
      PQ-18 26 November 2015 11: 14 New
      +1
      after the THIRD (green) whistle!
  3. Gomel
    Gomel 26 November 2015 10: 08 New
    25
    On the downed Su-24:
    Heaven suddenly turned into hell for me
    A traitorous blow from around the corner ...
    I am a plane with the soul of man
    With special wing geometry.

    When they beat in the back, they know - they will not miss,
    What are the vulnerabilities ...
    And the pain that started somewhere in the fuselage,
    It pierces from the cab to the tail.

    What the hell is going on in this world ?!
    Do not see me through the fire and smoke.
    I'm not Charlie, I'm Su-Xnumx
    And where are the tablets with my name?

    Pique will tighten ... Dizziness
    Shuffles everything into a kaleidoscope.
    I have not been given a chance to escape
    I meet the inevitable directly in the forehead.

    Earth will embrace to take forever
    My recorder let him cover the darkness.
    I am a plane with the soul of man
    With special wing geometry.

    (c) Sergey Efimov
  4. scrap123
    scrap123 26 November 2015 10: 10 New
    -15
    "Satan" must be sent there
    1. silver_roman
      silver_roman 26 November 2015 10: 57 New
      +7
      they have Satan as president!
  5. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 26 November 2015 10: 11 New
    +3
    Only one thing can be said about this: "God help you."
    1. hydrox
      hydrox 26 November 2015 10: 33 New
      +1
      In general, on a / b Hmeimim already 1 fighter for a couple of bombers.
      Someone interferes with going to bombing in groups, as is customary in civilized countries for 75 years?
      Moreover, if Triumph will be on duty, covering the whole territory of Syria like a bull to a sheep ...
  6. Vladimir71
    Vladimir71 26 November 2015 10: 12 New
    +2
    It was also necessary to start with this and kick in the ass of those whose competence included the strategy of cross-border bombing ...
  7. V.ic
    V.ic 26 November 2015 10: 13 New
    +4
    Well, thank God. Cover the tail with the bombers. Mb in response, some “fe-16” will fail.
    1. DobryAAH
      DobryAAH 26 November 2015 12: 48 New
      +1
      Iron eggs are needed to bring down. If there is no solution at the top, everything will remain with words, and by blowing cheeks.
  8. biron
    biron 26 November 2015 10: 14 New
    +4
    Quote: Gandelman
    When will the Yars be transferred?

    In general, iskander needs to be sent.
  9. Altona
    Altona 26 November 2015 10: 16 New
    +5
    Something is already quite powerful grouping turns out ... It was 69, add another 10-12, it will be necessary to add security and maintenance personnel ... There have already appeared tanks and artillery, in the Mediterranean there is a fleet, air defense systems will be installed ... The group already an impressive material base ... Apparently in counteracting the unfriendly actions of the "allies" and demonstrating military-political capabilities ...
    1. Mikhail m
      Mikhail m 26 November 2015 10: 23 New
      +2
      This is the logic of the confrontation. Strengthening groups on both sides is inevitable. And everything looks like a response to the actions of the opposite side. The danger of transition to hostilities is constantly growing.
    2. SCHNIFER
      SCHNIFER 26 November 2015 10: 30 New
      +3
      They really invested thoroughly. Perhaps the strategic goal, along with the elimination of ISIS, is the preservation of the Assad regime and the prevention of deep long-term penetration of NATO into the ATS. And after that, an air defense umbrella and yankee go home
    3. hydrox
      hydrox 26 November 2015 10: 43 New
      +2
      Quote: Altona
      The group already has an impressive material base ..


      What is missing there is a powerful Russian long-range receiver, which can work in a network center with counter-battery radars and with a topographic location with GLONASS ...
      Of course, and with drones ...
  10. little girl15
    little girl15 26 November 2015 10: 22 New
    12
    Gandelman (1) IS Today, 10:07
    When will the Yars be transferred?

    scrap123 RU Today, 10:10 New
    "Satan" must be sent there

    DON'T SUFFER WITH NONSENDS, GUYS.
    1. SCHNIFER
      SCHNIFER 26 November 2015 11: 04 New
      +1
      Positional areas in Syria ?! Boo ha ha ha!
  11. Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 26 November 2015 10: 23 New
    +2
    Quote: Gandelman
    When will the Yars be transferred?

    They are completely useless there, but it’s better to go to the censor. UA? they will understand you there! But to create a full-fledged defense system of our A / Base in Latakia is necessary. And after the incident with SU-24, the NATO coalition aviation will now fly in the sky only with the permission of Russia and Syria, and the gangs of Turkoman "working" for the Erdogan family will now have a full fur-bearing animal - the Turks themselves set them up with their thoughtless actions. With the S-300 \ 400 systems on duty, the Syrian sky has become a non-flying zone for NATO! Now they can say a big thank you to their Turkish vassal, whose apologies Russia now no longer accepts - was late with this! It was not necessary to flee to NATO with tearful petitions, but to bang his head at the gates of the Kremlin and beg for forgiveness. angry
  12. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 26 November 2015 10: 23 New
    +2
    It may turn out that we will not limit ourselves to this contingent! Because the farther into the forest, the more sticks in the wheels. The West will gain hysteria, and we need additional security everywhere and everywhere to hide behind us. Let's live and see!
  13. Awaz
    Awaz 26 November 2015 10: 25 New
    0
    The Syrian Air Force needs to supply new, or well-modernized aircraft, so that they would drive away NATO flies. It does not even matter who will be at the helm of the aircraft, but the Syrian aircraft should provide air defense in the first place.
    They themselves have already acknowledged that the indiscretion and failure to comply with elementary rules and probably even the charter led to the tragedy. And now we must first deal with those who ordered to fly unaccompanied and to tear at the most incapable, and therefore have to deal with the Turks there or at least with whom.
    1. solovey
      solovey 26 November 2015 10: 29 New
      +1
      Here was the most important mistake as of 22.06.1941/XNUMX/XNUMX !!!!
    2. PQ-18
      PQ-18 26 November 2015 11: 19 New
      0
      Syrian Air Force needs to supply new, or well-modernized aircraft

      For hairy-nosed barmalei, those types of aircraft that I now have Syrians are enough ...
      Just, "WHO WILL pay for the banquet ?!"
      - Russia !!
      Syria’s solvency will not recover after 5 years ...
  14. Anisim1977
    Anisim1977 26 November 2015 10: 25 New
    +4
    Probably it’s time to remember that the SU-30, it’s also a bomber — take off with one and the other, give them close targets, and then unload the excess and cover it.
    And more Grad and BC to them "from the belly" near the border with Turkey with 20 km, iron everything tightly under 0.
    We also need armored engineering equipment and everything necessary - they beat off a piece of the border, immediately make it a border - and not a passage yard, we have that there are few thorns and other necessary things.
    Do it honestly.

    And in memory of the dead guys - to build a school at our expense in honor of these guys, they saved a lot of children’s lives with their deaths, now this pseudo-position will be thinned out and Turkish bombers will not poke, because they are waiting for them.
  15. barbiturate
    barbiturate 26 November 2015 10: 31 New
    0
    Well, why not use EW aircraft to cover our percussion machines? You don’t have to shoot at the Turks in case of anything, but just get into their radar sights and put such aiming interference at them that they all stop working properly and warn that if they don’t stop then ... Just some kind of fool like Erdogan got grandmother for their meanness and provocation, which would quarrel the two countries. It is possible to avenge our blood more technically than to enter into a direct confrontation with the Turks, who obviously do not want this either, just such a rat is in their power. You don’t even have to hit each other with the Americans for fun, but do it more technically and remember when it will be necessary.
  16. Victor62ru
    Victor62ru 26 November 2015 10: 36 New
    0
    It is not clear why this was not done immediately from the start of the operation. Maybe then the Turks would zass..if attack the plane. After all, fighter escort is the ABC of air operations.
  17. gladysheff2010
    gladysheff2010 26 November 2015 10: 38 New
    0
    Quote: _Vladislav_
    Just wondering. Recently, the products of the MiG Design Bureau are somehow not being used. After Su created PAK FA, it turns out they made the main bet.

    Transferring and basing the "extra" equipment will require the appropriate specialists and costs. In these conditions, it is apparently better to have the same type of equipment.
  18. Aleksey11
    Aleksey11 26 November 2015 10: 42 New
    +2
    The main thing before the downing of a Turkish fighter is to warn him at least 11 times in 12 seconds before a missile hits. This is the task belay
    1. dr. sem
      dr. sem 26 November 2015 11: 03 New
      0
      Not. It is necessary to warn 100500 times in 1,5 seconds ....
    2. lelikas
      lelikas 26 November 2015 11: 20 New
      0
      Quote: Aleksey11
      The main thing before the downing of a Turkish fighter is to warn him at least 11 times in 12 seconds before a missile hits. This is the task

      This is not a problem - We record the phrase "P **** c kebab" ten times in a row on the recorder, and then we broadcast it at 10x speed. Even more than ten.
  19. Old26
    Old26 26 November 2015 10: 44 New
    +2
    Quote: scrap123
    "Satan" must be sent there

    Why trifle. Let’s transport all the Strategic Missile Forces there .... Strategists, damn it ...

    Quote: Victor62ru
    It is not clear why this was not done immediately from the start of the operation. Maybe then the Turks would zass..if attack the plane. After all, fighter escort is the ABC of air operations.

    Maybe the alphabet, but tell me how 54 strike aircraft - 12SU-34, 12 SU-25, about 30 SU-24 can be covered by EIGHT fighters. Even if 12 is still added now, the total number will be TWENTY, and those who need to be covered - MORE THAN FIFTY. And taking into account the intensity of combat work - up to 150 sorties per day, after how many pilots and the machines themselves fail… Even with these 12 machines the problem cannot be solved, the situation may decrease, but this is not a solution Problems
    1. red_october
      red_october 26 November 2015 11: 01 New
      -2
      It is urgent to “Admiral Kuznetsov” to drive there. And this is another plus 20 fighter. After all, there are not enough ground airports.
      C-400 is very helpful.
      And we will succeed.
    2. lelikas
      lelikas 26 November 2015 11: 23 New
      0
      Quote: Old26
      Maybe the alphabet, but tell me how 54 strike aircraft - 12SU-34, 12 SU-25, about 30 SU-24 can be covered by EIGHT fighters. Even if 12 is still added now, the total number will be TWENTY, and those who need to be covered - MORE THAN FIFTY. And taking into account the intensity of combat work - up to 150 sorties per day, after how many pilots and the machines themselves fail… Even with these 12 machines the problem cannot be solved, the situation may decrease, but this is not a solution Problems

      And how was it before the announcement of the "free hunt"? This was the reckoning for carelessness and, as always, blood.
    3. Fregate
      Fregate 26 November 2015 11: 36 New
      0
      Quote: Old26
      Maybe the alphabet, but tell me how 54 strike aircraft - 12SU-34, 12 SU-25, about 30 SU-24 can be covered by EIGHT fighters.

      Where do you get these numbers from? There were generally 12 Su-25 and Su-24 and 4-6 Su-34. Well, let the Su-34 also be 12, this will coincide with what is written in the article:
      “Now, each of the 24 front-line bombers will fly accompanied by a fighter.

      True Su-24 is now there 11.
    4. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 26 November 2015 12: 08 New
      0
      SU-24 like 12.
  20. Old26
    Old26 26 November 2015 10: 47 New
    +1
    Quote: Vlad5307
    With the S-300 \ 400 systems on duty, the Syrian sky has become a non-flying zone for NATO!

    Yes stop it. When there were articles about Caliber, everyone was already squealing from cards. So take a map, take a compass and look about the sky closed to NATO
  21. Naval
    Naval 26 November 2015 10: 58 New
    0
    I hope to pronounce in the near future, with the shots of a burning and falling Turkish aircraft I am SATISFIED !!!
    1. DobryAAH
      DobryAAH 26 November 2015 15: 23 New
      0
      And Erdogan falling from a high-rise window.
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  22. NordUral
    NordUral 26 November 2015 11: 00 New
    0
    Or maybe all the same “Fort” and S-400 (300) cover the sky, bring down a couple of Turkish “partners”, when they turn up, they will cool off. But no, so again and again, until they calm down. But pilots and planes need to be spared. Let our air defense systems train in combat and for real goals. A good training ground, and a good deed, is to help Syria and its people.
  23. rassom
    rassom 26 November 2015 11: 03 New
    0
    fighters for cover do not have to fly after every attack aircraft or bomber - there will be enough duty in areas of possible contact with fighters of other countries
  24. alex80
    alex80 26 November 2015 11: 05 New
    +1
    Quote: red_october
    I'm wondering why Su-35C is not used.

    Firstly, the car is a cut above the Su-30. In a matter of seconds, a situation may arise when this advantage of the Su-35 is critical.
    (Yes, and there are not enough places at the airdrome. And I’ll remind you that Su-27СМ are planning to send reinforcements to the Syrian group)

    Secondly, a break-in in the fighting. And it’s good for us, and the export potential will grow.

    Because the Su-35S has not yet passed all the tests to the end and it is still being completed + tactics for its use by testers for combat units are being developed, manuals are being written. Su-35 has many capabilities, but they must be able to use correctly. Give the ordinary Ferrari driver and he will break it without preparation on the first pillar (I exaggerate of course wink ) All Su-35S are based either at the factory - Dzemgi airbase (count the factory itself), or at test centers in Zhukovsky and Lipetsk. Those. in the combat units of the Su-35S, in fact, there is no, therefore, it is safer to send the Su-30SM as the most modern, and most importantly brought up to date, VKS RF aircraft. Everything is correctly done by MO. As soon as all questions on the Su-35 are removed, I think so and sent, since the S-400 decided to send.
    1. red_october
      red_october 26 November 2015 11: 57 New
      0
      Thanks for the reply.
      I suspected wink that the General Staff thought everything through, but you put it on the shelves and removed all doubts.
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  25. Vyacheslav73
    Vyacheslav73 26 November 2015 11: 10 New
    +1
    The comrade said that he had read somewhere that the area with the Turkoman, where our guys had been shot, was already razed to the ground ... Maybe someone will drop the link, otherwise I can’t find it ... I would like a little balm for the soul ... may God forgive me ...
    1. DobryAAH
      DobryAAH 26 November 2015 13: 00 New
      +1
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGqmr5imJgA
  26. Vovanya
    Vovanya 26 November 2015 11: 16 New
    0
    Now, every pilot will save bombs so that upon returning, flying over the territory of the Turkoman, to convey warm greetings to them. You can’t treat a bear so lightly - it’s fraught with sideways.
  27. G-iv
    G-iv 26 November 2015 11: 20 New
    0
    Quote: vkl-47
    it was all necessary to do it out of the ordinary. and with us, as always, until the thunder strikes ...

    If they did it from the beginning, then we would not have such a cool excuse to stir up our allies.
  28. hartlend
    hartlend 26 November 2015 11: 29 New
    +1
    Quote: vkl-47
    it was all necessary to do it out of the ordinary. and with us, as always, until the thunder strikes ...

    Hindsight is strong. In every case there must be expediency. If there is no danger, why spend the resource of fighters, it is limited. And the word was originally written through A.
    1. go
      go 26 November 2015 12: 18 New
      0
      Quote: hartlend
      Quote: vkl-47
      it was all necessary to do it out of the ordinary. and with us, as always, until the thunder strikes ...

      Hindsight is strong. In every case there must be expediency. If there is no danger, why spend the resource of fighters, it is limited. And the word was originally written through A.


      Okay so ... but is war not a danger? and the fact that the Turks already shot down drones and said that they would shoot down everything that violates the border is not a danger? This is a war and everything can be right up to the inadequate actions of individual Turkish pilots. It was necessary to count on it in advance! Maybe there would be no loss.

      I will tell you this: unfortunately, Russia differs from the app. Of Europe. Instead of competent preparation, hope for chance. So it is here. I will be straightforward, but this is called gouging.

      With the Kogalym-Avia plane, the same thing: Russia began to bomb the bearded in Syria and hoped that there would be no terrorist attacks? Agree it is naive if not stupid.

      Regarding the feasibility of resource costs, etc. - explain it to MO, cat. strategists sends through Lisbon with two refueling, then they launch rockets over Wednesdays. by sea, then fly over Syria (i.e. they could have bombed with the same success with cast iron) and fly back through Iran to Russia winked

      Now in Syria: the Turks will not calm down, there will be provocations, they will substitute for open. hit. Already heard that they said that Russia bombed the gum. a column from Turkey. They can also, for example, send fighters without pilots (the USA has such). They can send American pilots to the border instead of Turkish pilots, and these guys are better trained. It will be dangerous. Therefore, you need to be smarter and respond only when there is 100% confidence that it is not a setup. Because if it comes to serious, Russia still has less power, the Turks can also pull their patriot to the border, for example.
  29. gukoyan
    gukoyan 26 November 2015 11: 45 New
    -1
    Ehhh, 35th drying would go there.
  30. Wolka
    Wolka 26 November 2015 11: 51 New
    0
    organizational conclusions are made, work is in progress ...
  31. iouris
    iouris 26 November 2015 12: 13 New
    +1
    This will no longer help. As it turned out, Turkey has no borders, therefore, considers the territory of Syria "their own." Obama nodded and started. In fact, Erdogan has nothing to lose, so he is "non-negotiable." We must prepare for the next step: closing the straits and airspace over Iraq.
  32. red_october
    red_october 26 November 2015 12: 30 New
    0
    How events will unfold will show time. Everything can be
    But we do not have the right not to make reasonable conclusions and not to respond (within our competencies and capabilities).
  33. Jozhkin Cat
    Jozhkin Cat 26 November 2015 12: 59 New
    +1
    Surprisingly simple, do they really not know in the Ministry of Defense that the Charter of any military branches is written in blood! And if, according to the Charter, the bomber is required to be accompanied by a fighter, then it should be so, even when, intelligence does not see the presence of MANPADS from the enemy.
  34. Old26
    Old26 26 November 2015 19: 07 New
    0
    Quote: Fregate
    Where do you get these numbers from? There were generally 12 Su-25 and Su-24 and 4-6 Su-34. Well, let the Su-34 also be 12, this will coincide with what is written in the article:

    Look on the internet. Forget the question about the composition of the Russian air group in Syria and you will be given options ...

    Quote: Fregate
    Where do you get these numbers from? There were generally 12 Su-25 and Su-24 and 4-6 Su-34. Well, let the Su-34 also be 12, this will coincide with what is written in the article:

    Even if there are 12 in all, there are now 36 fighters for 8 aircraft. In the long run 20

    Quote: Naval
    I hope to pronounce in the near future, with the shots of a burning and falling Turkish aircraft I am SATISFIED !!!

    And if not? How is your satisfaction?

    Quote: rassom
    fighters for cover do not have to fly after every attack aircraft or bomber - there will be enough duty in areas of possible contact with fighters of other countries

    Well, something the Minister of Defense is talking about flying in pairs: a bomber fighter. Who to believe? Him or you?