Russian Defense Ministry may send more about 10 fighters to Syria

The Russian Armed Forces General Staff is considering the possibility of transferring an additional 10-12 fighter to a Russian base in Syria in order to provide cover for each bomber, reports RIA News message of the newspaper Kommersant.

Earlier, Sergei Shoigu said that all actions shock aviation in Syria will be carried out under the guise of fighters.

“Before the incident with the Russian bomber, the planes flew without a cover, because there was no potential danger from the ground. Intelligence did not record the presence of MANPADS from the terrorists of the Islamic State banned in Russia, and no one seriously considered the threat of an attack from coalition planes led by the United States. ”- a military source told the newspaper.

“Now, each of the 24 front-line bombers will fly accompanied by a fighter. According to the Kommersant interlocutor, in connection with this, the General Staff is considering the possibility of increasing fighter aviation on Khmeimim even on 10-12 machines, so that each of Su-24M and Su-34 works on targets together with Su-27M or Su-30СМ - writes the publication.

Comments

[Fisman]

Long overdue!

[79807420129]

You need to rely only on yourself.

[Alexey-74]

still Mi-28 and Ka-52 turntables would have thrown, at the same time, and experienced them in real hostilities ..... I think it's time

[vkl-47]

it was all necessary to do it out of the ordinary. and with us, as always, until the thunder strikes ...

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: vkl-47

it was all necessary to do it out of the ordinary. and with us, as always, until the thunder strikes ...

Everyone is smart in hindsight.

[_Vladislav_]

paired with a Su-27SM or Su-30SM

That's interesting.
In the air group of the Russian aerospace forces, Sukhoi aircraft were widely used. Why not use MiGs.
By the way, for air combat, a more maneuverable machine (due to the fact that it is lighter), is well suited for combat with the same light F-16, and significantly outperforms the F-15 in this indicator.

Just wondering. Recently, the products of the MiG Design Bureau are somehow not being used. After Su created PAK FA, it turns out they made the main bet.

PS
As is the case with OKB Mil and Kamov. The Ka-52 is a good helicopter, but the main stake is on the Mi-28.

[max702]

Quote: _Vladislav_

That's interesting.
In the air group of the Russian aerospace forces, Sukhoi aircraft were widely used. Why not use MiGs.
By the way, for air combat, a more maneuverable machine (due to the fact that it is lighter), is well suited for combat with the same light F-16, and significantly outperforms the F-15 in this indicator.

Just wondering. Recently, the products of the MiG Design Bureau are somehow not being used. After Su created PAK FA, it turns out they made the main bet.

And why should I introduce different sort? You thought about supply, but about service? Yes, the fighting qualities of MIGs are greatly exaggerated, especially in light of the extremely short range of action, Drying is preferable here, and for this reason, if you remember that there are very few MIG-29 ready for the database, then there is no need to toil with foolishness .. For MI-28 it is even easier, without " night "(and it is not, they are only designing) stations, its combat qualities are no different from MI-24 (these, at least in extreme cases, can pick up a wounded crew)

[_Vladislav_]

Quote: max702

this reason, and if you remember that there are very few MIG-29s ready for the database, then why not fool around

It turns out that the MiG is gradually being covered up for lack of prospects.
Again, the incomprehensible situation with the MiG-35 (MiGovsky 4 ++) does not find its implementation / application.

[amba balamut 77]

Mi-28 has a compartment in the aft beam in two places. And the Ka-52 was nothing but the accuracy of firing from a cannon, the MI-24 didn’t surpass it very well, although not at the price. Regarding fighters, I completely agree.

[silver_roman]

MiGs have a small radius, more frequent adjustments will be needed. Dryers can hang in a given area in anticipation of another raid for example. One bombed, went to the base, the second flew in, And one drying covers the entire raid.
If Kuzya was on the go, it would be possible to test the Mig-29K in practice.
And for air combat maneuverability is unlikely to be needed.
By the way, on the Su-34 you can catch explosives, at least a couple. Of course, this will reduce the bomb load, but it will unload the fighters.
By the way, can the su-24 work with air-to-air?

[_Vladislav_]

Quote: silver_roman

By the way, can the su-24 work with air-to-air?

Theoretical yes. I watched a plot on this subject. You can hang explosive missiles, but even so, the chances of a bomber against an F-16 fighter are negligible.

[lopvlad]

Quote: silver_roman

By the way, on the Su-34 you can catch explosives, at least a couple. Of course, this will reduce the bomb load, but it will unload the fighters.

it's not about missiles, but about maneuverability. Each plane should be engaged in what is "sharpened" by designers. Therefore, it is ideal when 1 bomber + 1 escort fighter.
What happened should not be repeated.

[silver_roman]

This is clear. I heard that there are rockets firing backwards. here is a sitashashka: f-16, go back to launch a rocket, and then it immediately flies into the bread from the su-24. it would be a simple song.

[Alexey-74]

they may have said, but these are not their properties

[red_october]

I'm wondering why Su-35C is not used.

Firstly, the car is a cut above the Su-30. In a matter of seconds, a situation may arise when this advantage of the Su-35 is critical.
(Yes, and there are not enough places at the airdrome. And I’ll remind you that Su-27СМ are planning to send reinforcements to the Syrian group)

Secondly, a break-in in the fighting. And it’s good for us, and the export potential will grow.

[_Vladislav_]

Quote: red_october

I'm wondering why Su-35C is not used.

And here is a really good question.
The machine is adopted. It is so-so-so. I think it would be possible to try.

[DobryAAH]

Kamov plant in Lyubertsy want to merge with Milevsky. So it will turn out, as with the MIGs. Well, of course, all the workshops will be destroyed, and the territory will be built up with houses. This is the real happiness of an entrepreneur. Break the plant, build up boxes, open offices, sell foreign consumer goods.

[petr1965]

Sushkas have a better reputation in every way.

[Knight Rider]

Quote: _Vladislav_

That's interesting.
In the air group of the Russian aerospace forces, Sukhoi aircraft were widely used. Why not use MiGs.
By the way, for air combat, a more maneuverable machine (due to the fact that it is lighter), is well suited for combat with the same light F-16, and significantly outperforms the F-15 in this indicator.

About the Ethiopo-Eritrean conflict 1998-2000 read)

[Grenader]

Quote: vkl-47

it was all necessary to do it out of the ordinary. and with us, as always, until the thunder strikes ...

The base in Latakia does not allow to accommodate more aircraft. According to this, part of the strikes on the Basmachi are inflicted by strategists. A new airdrome is under construction and the number of aircraft in the Russian Federation in Syria is likely to be significantly increased.

[venaya]

Fisman: Long overdue!

so that each of the Su-24M and Su-34 works on targets paired with the Su-27SM or Su-30SM

Although such a benefit from humiliation for the downed our plane. And also remember about the additionally supplied air defense systems, there are already a lot of compensations being accumulated, if I may say so. The culprits of the tragedy must be punished in any way possible, such a tradition.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: venaya

Although such a benefit from humiliation for the downed our plane.

And who was humiliated?

[venaya]

Alexander Romanov (4): "And who was humiliated?"- all of us. Don't know?

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: venaya

And who was humiliated? "- all of us. Don't know?

Why don't I feel humiliated?
For you personally, Ch.M.O. was not born that Russia could humiliate!

[_Vladislav_]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

For you personally, Ch.M.O. was not born that Russia could humiliate!

Well, actually this is Ch.M.O. born and even lives not very bad. He also gives advice.
M.S. Gorbachev and others like him, actually once, back in 1990 ... and so on, they committed a certain action related to the humiliation of Russia.

With regards to the fallen plane. I do not think this is a humiliation. Nobody forced us to stop airstrikes, moreover, the intensity increased.

[Nosgoth]

I forgot about E.B.N.

[dr. sem]

Are you my friend (Alexander Romanov) an alien ???

[arane]

Quote: dr. sem

Are you my friend (Alexander Romanov) an alien ???

HUMILIATE
Ozhegov Dictionary online | The concept, interpretation, definition, meaning of words and words
Words of letter: Y |

TO REDUCE, - I see, - you see; - married; soy someone. Offend someone's worthy pride pride. With a mockery. II nah to humiliate, -ay, -you. II return Unismo-I am. -wish. W. Zo yagi: NR.GL,


Therefore, humiliation can be considered as an individual reaction to the insult of the one who was insulted. That is, with the same insult, one is humiliated, and the other is not.
In essence, a person cannot be humiliated, a person is humiliated himself

[_Vladislav_]

Quote: arane

Therefore, humiliation can be considered as an individual reaction to the insult of the one who was insulted. That is, with the same insult, one is humiliated, and the other is not.
In essence, a person cannot be humiliated, a person is humiliated himself

Cool
Nichrome did not understand, but fun. A plus)

[arane]

Quote: _Vladislav_

Quote: arane

Therefore, humiliation can be considered as an individual reaction to the insult of the one who was insulted. That is, with the same insult, one is humiliated, and the other is not.
In essence, a person cannot be humiliated, a person is humiliated himself

Cool
Nichrome did not understand, but fun. A plus)

Thank you.
It’s hard to describe what I think.
I meant the following. Someone was given a erysipelas, after which he began to crawl and kiss his boots. He is humiliated.
The same situation, only instead of kissing the shoes gave in the face, and in the crotch for fidelity. He is not humiliated.

T e actions of the offender does not humiliate, but creates a situation. Well, something like this, if schematically

[dr. sem]

Yay, Harvard, Oxford ???
Keep your conclusions to yourself.

[arane]

Quote: dr. sem

Yay, Harvard, Oxford ???
Keep your conclusions to yourself.

I apologize if you tell me, then - to them. S.O. Makarova.
We are not exchanging for such a trifle as Harvard and Oxford.

[venaya]

Alexander Romanov (4): Why don't I feel humiliated?
For me, this is also a mystery. I recall that when the first Petrovsky ship went to sea, to the Baltic then, then some Ch.M.O. our new ship was not greeted with a Danish or English pennant at his meeting, as was customary at that time with welcoming cannon shots, as the captain of our ship ordered us to shoot our cannons directly at another ship, and thus made us respect our pennant. I believe that to this level of respect it is necessary to bring today all foreign ships, both sea, and air or space, we have a VKS. Respect must be total! And who doubts that?

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: venaya

I believe that to this level of respect it is necessary to bring today all foreign ships, both sea, and air or space, we have a VKS.

Immediately offer to start a nuclear war against the United States, otherwise they constantly crap in our direction.
Venya, I thought you were smarter, wrong, it happens

[venaya]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

... start a nuclear war against the USAotherwise they constantly shit in our direction ...

And why immediately so rude? Is it possible to achieve respect from nuclear ashes, and not collected in the urn? Here it is possible and much smarter to act, for example, by electromagnetic radiation, including in the optical range, it will be more decent, and in this case it will be someone to gain respect. I believe that this option would be much smarter, especially since such a practice already existed on the Black Sea. So it’s worth being not just smarter, but much smarter and smarter, even if it’s very difficult. It is advisable not to be very mistaken, it is better to think a little longer, sometimes it helps a lot!

[Nosgoth]

no, piss out of fear like you ("the main thing is not to sew it up, and so we are OGO-GO")

[Murking]

I don’t think that they humiliate or offended should be applied to politics, when at 90 they blew up our houses and cut our heads, I didn’t see the queues at the military enlistment office of the humiliated and offended, but now, like a moth, they have come out from everywhere and everyone has a desire to blow up the nuclei. We must do what we did and do not forget that in the same Turkey, not everyone supports Erdogan’s action and many are well disposed towards Russia. In general, maybe this American strategy works on our isolation and Erdogan simply set up his country.

[venaya]

Murking "I do not think"- But I already had time to think. People in our country have been brought to such a state that many have lost all sorts of guidelines as to what can cause insult or humiliation, the more humiliation of the officers, the most sensitive in this regard due to their peculiarities of the concept Therefore, today our enemies are trying to belittle our country with insults in the form of an attack and even the destruction of our combat aircraft. If the meaning of the terms is not clear, then I will try to explain them, if I succeed. And what happened in the 90s is more than humiliation, it would be just horror, I don't even want to remember.

[Altona]

Quote: venaya

Although such a benefit from humiliation for the downed our plane.

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The plane is a consumable in war, and there is no war without losses ... This is ce la vie ... A la ger com a la ger ... This is a normal phenomenon ... This is not our humiliation, this is a Turkish jamb, they wanted to have some kind of political capital, but got a firebrand and a provocation for a hot World War III, because a democratic nation would have already embarked on an expeditionary operation and smashed Turkish air defenses, tank strips and airfields into the trash ... Also, the "benefits of humiliation", in general incomprehensible phrase ... You can win all the battles and lose the war, the war is ended by diplomats and politicians, and they distribute the fruits of victories ... A victorious marshal can take out the echelon with household utensils and furniture as much as possible, or cover a side business in a "losing" country, no benefit he no longer has ...

[venaya]

Quote: Altona

... "the benefits of humiliation", generally incomprehensible phrase ...

Indeed, perhaps you are right. Yes, I myself did not know how to more accurately express my thought. The idea was to squeeze the maximum of all the useful out of the current situation with the downed SU-24. Unfortunately, in connection with the time pressure of the time, I did not find a better formulated turn of speech, perhaps it was worth refusing to write the entire post. It’s just usually a difficult idea and difficult to express and especially intelligible. Not the first time I've come across this.

[sined0707]

Tell me, who is in the know how events might develop. If on the day of the tragedy su 24 covered. I mean, in such a situation, the fighter pilot takes it, is he really beating ahead of the curve?

[Funnels]

They would also lose a fighter.

[lelikas]

Quote: Funnels

They would also lose a fighter.

With cuckoo? It’s just that the landings would not attack, that’s all, and if they had become, they would have lost theirs. The maximum has changed 1k1,

[Funnels]

With tutuya. The Turks were preparing this provocation. I'm still surprised that our second "Su" was not shot down. Ours were NOT READY to "stab in the back."
I didn’t doubt that I would pick cons.

[dr. sem]

Must beat. Do you know the flight mission ...

[arane]

Most likely, just a provocation would be canceled. In such a situation, our advances would not work. We have no war with Turkey. But in the event of an attack on our aircraft from Turkey, there would be an instant response

[DobryAAH]

The Turks would know that we had a fighter in tandem, would have been sadanuli from the Patriot and from 5 fighters. The loss would have been in 2 aircraft. The fact of the matter is that they were sitting in ambush, and we did not expect a blow, now we are waiting.
If you sit with a crowbar in ambush and hit a man with it for no reason, there is no salvation.
I don’t know, nonsense, not nonsense. At the G20 summit, Obama approved Erdogan’s plan to destroy the Russian plane
http://lifenews.ru/news/171808
There would be another preparation for the operation of the Turks.

[Altona]

Quote: sined0707

Tell me, who is in the know how events might develop. If on the day of the tragedy su 24 covered. I mean, in such a situation, the fighter pilot takes it, is he really beating ahead of the curve?

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The fighter pilot sees on his monitor the whole situation in the air and can launch a volley at the fighter, but in general, things like our current bombing are done simplistically ... There should be a powerful radar on the base or the group should receive constant radar support about the current operational situation in the area military operations (although it will be objected that the satellite is giving the situation) ... Or there should be a plane in the air or an AWACS helicopter giving the situation ... The director of interference, electronic countermeasures should hang in the air ... The Israelis know better how to act in conditions confrontations with Arab aviation ... King of Jordan Abdullah II, by the way, is a first-class active pilot and probably also rubbed with Putin about interaction ...

[samoletil18]

Quote: Fisman

Long overdue!

Each flight departs for the expenditure of resources. Saved. Now, not to save.

[Valentine]

Immediately after Patrushev reported on the sabotage "trail" on the crashed Boeing, the Ministry of Defense decided to authorize the bombers to "free hunt"
the destruction of columns of gasoline tankers transporting fuel from Syria. and in view of the "clear sky" they went in search without fighter cover.

[Altona]

Quote: Valentine

in view of the "clear sky" they went in search without fighter cover.

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Well, who thought that fuel trucks would snarl like that and request air cover? The Turks simply honestly did not say that they were guarding their property carrying smuggled oil ... It turns out interestingly, excavators do not snarl, and fuel trucks snarl ...

[Vadim237]

If the Turks want to bring down the plane again, then the fighters will not stop it - the Patriot air defense system will be driven to the border and shoot down what you want at a distance of 200 kilometers.

[DobryAAH]

At 200? And no one will detect the launch? Well, I still admit 30 km, and even some missile defense maneuvers can be done, say, with a stone down to the ground, from 6 km, and look for fistulas.
A rocket does not fly at the speed of light.

[Vadim237]

The start will be spotted, but this will not make it easier for you - the speed of the hit targets for Patriot missiles is 2200 meters per second and an overload of 30g, and if the plane goes below six kilometers, it can become prey to MANPADS or even worse - maybe Turkey has already delivered medium-range air defense systems ISIS militants - we don’t know that.

[DobryAAH]

MANPADS when moving along the ground at low altitude is powerless.
Russian Su-25 "Rook". Syria. Russian aces at low altitude
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlxXedRQnc4

[Altona]

Quote: Vadim237

The start will be spotted, but this will not make it easier for you - the speed of the hit targets for Patriot missiles is 2200 meters per second and an overload of 30g, and if the plane goes below six kilometers, it can become prey to MANPADS or even worse - maybe Turkey has already delivered medium-range air defense systems ISIS militants - we don’t know that.

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The operation of the air defense and air defense radar does not take place in a vacuum, but will be monitored by electronic intelligence and will be counteracted by electronic warfare ...

[Vadim237]

Electronic warfare has already "worked" on the downed Su 24.

[Altona]

Quote: Vadim237

Electronic warfare has already "worked" on the downed Su 24.

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It was empty ... without nifig ...

[DobryAAH]

Yes, and the speed of the rocket is 3-5M. Not 2200 msec.

[Altona]

Quote: Vadim237

If the Turks want to bring down the plane again, then the fighters will not stop it - the Patriot air defense system will be driven to the border and shoot down what you want at a distance of 200 kilometers.

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"Caliber" or 101st will arrive there, and all the business ...

[marlin1203]

The fighters were there from the very beginning. Why was there no cover? At least at the Turkish border, i.e. in the most dangerous place? Where did intelligence look?

[Funnels]

Because ISIS does not have aviation, and nobody put the = sign between ISIS and Turkey (NATO).

[whiteeagle]

Turkey has nearly 300 fighters — several Russian fighters make no difference. It’s just time to stop flying along the Turkish border because it may be the second Tsushima.

[lopvlad]

Quote: whiteeagle

several Russian fighters makes no difference

the difference will be changed by the S-400 complex with a reserve of missiles for each of 300 Turkish fighters.

[DobryAAH]

For the West, Tsushima is expected in the next 10 years. I advise you to get out of there on time.

[Tor5]

Not "can", but should!

[Gandelman]

When will the Yars be transferred?

[podpolkovnik]

Quote: Gandelman

When will the Yars be transferred?

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Russia is focusing the peasants .... And a retaliation strike will be necessary! We have no right to make a mistake. NATO smiles maliciously, for now .... Well, well.

[_Vladislav_]

Quote: Gandelman

When will the Yars be transferred?

Meaning?
Yars does not need to be thrown anywhere, he is already Yars.

[PQ-18]

after the THIRD (green) whistle!

[Gomel]

On the downed Su-24:
Heaven suddenly turned into hell for me
A traitorous blow from around the corner ...
I am a plane with the soul of man
With special wing geometry.

When they beat in the back, they know - they will not miss,
What are the vulnerabilities ...
And the pain that started somewhere in the fuselage,
It pierces from the cab to the tail.

What the hell is going on in this world ?!
Do not see me through the fire and smoke.
I'm not Charlie, I'm Su-Xnumx
And where are the tablets with my name?

Pique will tighten ... Dizziness
Shuffles everything into a kaleidoscope.
I have not been given a chance to escape
I meet the inevitable directly in the forehead.

Earth will embrace to take forever
My recorder let him cover the darkness.
I am a plane with the soul of man
With special wing geometry.

(c) Sergey Efimov

[scrap123]

"Satan" must be sent there

[silver_roman]

they have Satan as president!

[rotmistr60]

On this occasion, only one thing can be said: "God help."

[hydrox]

In general, on a / b Hmeimim already 1 fighter for a couple of bombers.
Someone interferes with going to bombing in groups, as is customary in civilized countries for 75 years?
Moreover, if Triumph will be on duty, covering the whole territory of Syria like a bull to a sheep ...

[Vladimir71]

It was also necessary to start with this and kick in the ass of those whose competence included the strategy of cross-border bombing ...

[V.ic]

Well, thank God. Cover the tail of the bombers. M. b. in return some "fe-16" will be flooded.

[DobryAAH]

Iron eggs are needed to bring down. If there is no solution at the top, everything will remain with words, and by blowing cheeks.

[biron]

Quote: Gandelman

When will the Yars be transferred?

In general, iskander needs to be sent.

[Altona]

Something is already quite a powerful grouping ... It was 69, add another 10-12, it will be necessary to add security and maintenance personnel ... Tanks and artillery have already appeared there, the fleet is in Mediterranean, air defense systems will be installed ... already an impressive material base ... Apparently in opposition to the unfriendly actions of the "allies" and the demonstration of military-political capabilities ...

[Mikhail m]

This is the logic of the confrontation. Strengthening groups on both sides is inevitable. And everything looks like a response to the actions of the opposite side. The danger of transition to hostilities is constantly growing.

[SCHNIFER]

They really invested thoroughly. Perhaps the strategic goal, along with the elimination of ISIS, is the preservation of the Assad regime and the prevention of deep long-term penetration of NATO into the ATS. And after that, an air defense umbrella and yankee go home

[hydrox]

Quote: Altona

The group already has an impressive material base ..

What is missing there is a powerful Russian long-range receiver, which can work in a network center with counter-battery radars and with a topographic location with GLONASS ...
Of course, and with drones ...

[little girl15]

Gandelman (1) IS Today, 10:07
When will the Yars be transferred?

scrap123 RU Today, 10:10 New
"Satan" must be sent there

DON'T SUFFER WITH NONSENDS, GUYS.

[SCHNIFER]

Positional areas in Syria ?! Boo ha ha ha!

[Vlad5307]

Quote: Gandelman

When will the Yars be transferred?

They are absolutely useless there, but you better go to the censor to troll. UA? there you will be understood! But it is necessary to create a full-fledged defense system of our A \ Base in Latakia. And after the incident with the SU-24, the aircraft of the NATO coalition will now fly in the sky only with the permission of Russia and Syria, and the gangs of Turkomans "working" for the Erdogan family will now be a complete furry animal - the Turks themselves set them up with their thoughtless actions. With the deployment of the S-300 \ 400 systems on duty, the Syrian sky has become a flight-free zone for NATO! Now they can say a big thank you to their Turkish vassal, whose apology Russia no longer accepts - I was late with this! It was not necessary to flee to NATO with tearful petitions, but to bang your head against the gates of the Kremlin and beg for forgiveness.

[dchegrinec]

It may turn out that we will not limit ourselves to this contingent! Because the farther into the forest, the more sticks in the wheels. The West will gain hysteria, and we need additional security everywhere and everywhere to hide behind us. Let's live and see!

[Awaz]

The Syrian Air Force needs to supply new, or well-modernized aircraft, so that they would drive away NATO flies. It does not even matter who will be at the helm of the aircraft, but the Syrian aircraft should provide air defense in the first place.
They themselves have already acknowledged that the indiscretion and failure to comply with elementary rules and probably even the charter led to the tragedy. And now we must first deal with those who ordered to fly unaccompanied and to tear at the most incapable, and therefore have to deal with the Turks there or at least with whom.

[solovey]

Here was the most important mistake as of 22.06.1941/XNUMX/XNUMX !!!!

[PQ-18]

Syrian Air Force needs to supply new, or well-modernized aircraft

For hairy-nosed barmalei, those types of aircraft that I now have Syrians are enough ...
Simply, "WHO WILL pay for the banquet ?!"
- Russia !!
Syria’s solvency will not recover after 5 years ...

[Anisim1977]

Probably it’s time to remember that the SU-30, it’s also a bomber — take off with one and the other, give them close targets, and then unload the excess and cover it.
And more GRADs and BK to them "from the belly" near the border with Turkey from 20 km, iron everything tightly under 0.
We also need armored engineering equipment and everything necessary - they beat off a piece of the border, immediately make it a border - and not a passage yard, we have that there are few thorns and other necessary things.
Do it honestly.

And in memory of the dead guys - to build a school at our expense in honor of these guys, they saved a lot of children’s lives with their deaths, now this pseudo-position will be thinned out and Turkish bombers will not poke, because they are waiting for them.

[barbiturate]

Well, why not use EW aircraft to cover our percussion machines? You don’t have to shoot at the Turks in case of anything, but just get into their radar sights and put such aiming interference at them that they all stop working properly and warn that if they don’t stop then ... Just some kind of fool like Erdogan got grandmother for their meanness and provocation, which would quarrel the two countries. It is possible to avenge our blood more technically than to enter into a direct confrontation with the Turks, who obviously do not want this either, just such a rat is in their power. You don’t even have to hit each other with the Americans for fun, but do it more technically and remember when it will be necessary.

[Victor62ru]

It is not clear why this was not done immediately from the start of the operation. Maybe then the Turks would zass..if attack the plane. After all, fighter escort is the ABC of air operations.

[gladysheff2010]

Quote: _Vladislav_

Just wondering. Recently, the products of the MiG Design Bureau are somehow not being used. After Su created PAK FA, it turns out they made the main bet.

The transfer and basing of the "extra" equipment will require appropriate specialists and costs. In these conditions, it is probably better to have the same type of equipment.

[Aleksey11]

The main thing before the downing of a Turkish fighter is to warn him at least 11 times in 12 seconds before a missile hits. This is the task

[dr. sem]

Not. It is necessary to warn 100500 times in 1,5 seconds ....

[lelikas]

Quote: Aleksey11

The main thing before the downing of a Turkish fighter is to warn him at least 11 times in 12 seconds before a missile hits. This is the task

This is not a problem - we record the phrase "F **** c you kebab" on the recorder ten times in a row, and then we broadcast it at 10x speed. Even more than ten.

[Old26]

Quote: scrap123

"Satan" must be sent there

Why trifle. Let’s transport all the Strategic Missile Forces there .... Strategists, damn it ...

Quote: Victor62ru

It is not clear why this was not done immediately from the start of the operation. Maybe then the Turks would zass..if attack the plane. After all, fighter escort is the ABC of air operations.

Maybe the alphabet, but tell me how 54 strike aircraft - 12SU-34, 12 SU-25, about 30 SU-24 can be covered by EIGHT fighters. Even if 12 is still added now, the total number will be TWENTY, and those who need to be covered - MORE THAN FIFTY. And taking into account the intensity of combat work - up to 150 sorties per day, after how many pilots and the machines themselves fail… Even with these 12 machines the problem cannot be solved, the situation may decrease, but this is not a solution Problems

[red_october]

We urgently need to drive "Admiral Kuznetsov" there. And this is plus 20 fighters. There are not enough ground airfields, after all.
C-400 is very helpful.
And we will succeed.

[lelikas]

Quote: Old26

Maybe the alphabet, but tell me how 54 strike aircraft - 12SU-34, 12 SU-25, about 30 SU-24 can be covered by EIGHT fighters. Even if 12 is still added now, the total number will be TWENTY, and those who need to be covered - MORE THAN FIFTY. And taking into account the intensity of combat work - up to 150 sorties per day, after how many pilots and the machines themselves fail… Even with these 12 machines the problem cannot be solved, the situation may decrease, but this is not a solution Problems

And how was it before the announcement of the "free hunt"? This was the payment for carelessness and, as always, blood.

[Fregate]

Quote: Old26

Maybe the alphabet, but tell me how 54 strike aircraft - 12SU-34, 12 SU-25, about 30 SU-24 can be covered by EIGHT fighters.

Where do you get these numbers from? There were generally 12 Su-25 and Su-24 and 4-6 Su-34. Well, let the Su-34 also be 12, this will coincide with what is written in the article:

“Now, each of the 24 front-line bombers will fly accompanied by a fighter.

True Su-24 is now there 11.

[Sergej1972]

SU-24 like 12.

[Old26]

Quote: Vlad5307

With the S-300 \ 400 systems on duty, the Syrian sky has become a non-flying zone for NATO!

Yes stop it. When there were articles about Caliber, everyone was already squealing from cards. So take a map, take a compass and look about the sky closed to NATO

[Naval]

I hope to pronounce in the near future, with the shots of a burning and falling Turkish aircraft I am SATISFIED !!!

[DobryAAH]

And Erdogan falling from a high-rise window.

[NordUral]

Or maybe all the same "Fort" and S-400 (300) cover the sky, shoot down a couple of Turkish "partners", when they poke around, they will cool down. And no, so on and on until they calm down. And pilots and planes should be pitied. Let our air defense systems train in combat and for real targets. A good training ground, and a good deed - helping Syria and its people.

[rassom]

fighters for cover do not have to fly after every attack aircraft or bomber - there will be enough duty in areas of possible contact with fighters of other countries

[alex80]

Quote: red_october

I'm wondering why Su-35C is not used.

Firstly, the car is a cut above the Su-30. In a matter of seconds, a situation may arise when this advantage of the Su-35 is critical.
(Yes, and there are not enough places at the airdrome. And I’ll remind you that Su-27СМ are planning to send reinforcements to the Syrian group)

Secondly, a break-in in the fighting. And it’s good for us, and the export potential will grow.

Because the Su-35S has not yet passed all the tests to the end and it is still being completed + tactics for its use by testers for combat units are being developed, manuals are being written. Su-35 has many capabilities, but they must be able to use correctly. Give the ordinary Ferrari driver and he will break it without preparation on the first pillar (I exaggerate of course ) All Su-35S are based either at the factory - Dzemgi airbase (count the factory itself), or at test centers in Zhukovsky and Lipetsk. Those. in the combat units of the Su-35S, in fact, there is no, therefore, it is safer to send the Su-30SM as the most modern, and most importantly brought up to date, VKS RF aircraft. Everything is correctly done by MO. As soon as all questions on the Su-35 are removed, I think so and sent, since the S-400 decided to send.

[red_october]

Thanks for the reply.
I suspected that the General Staff thought everything through, but you put it on the shelves and removed all doubts.

[Vyacheslav73]

The comrade said that he had read somewhere that the area with the Turkoman, where our guys had been shot, was already razed to the ground ... Maybe someone will drop the link, otherwise I can’t find it ... I would like a little balm for the soul ... may God forgive me ...

[DobryAAH]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGqmr5imJgA

[Vovanya]

Now each pilot will save bombs so that upon his return, flying over the territory of the Turkomans, send them a warm "hello". It is impossible to treat a bear so lightly - it is fraught with sideways.

[G-iv]

Quote: vkl-47

it was all necessary to do it out of the ordinary. and with us, as always, until the thunder strikes ...

If they did it from the beginning, then we would not have such a cool excuse to stir up our allies.

[hartlend]

Quote: vkl-47

it was all necessary to do it out of the ordinary. and with us, as always, until the thunder strikes ...

Hindsight is strong. In every case there must be expediency. If there is no danger, why spend the resource of fighters, it is limited. And the word was originally written through A.

[go]

Quote: hartlend

Quote: vkl-47

it was all necessary to do it out of the ordinary. and with us, as always, until the thunder strikes ...

Hindsight is strong. In every case there must be expediency. If there is no danger, why spend the resource of fighters, it is limited. And the word was originally written through A.

Okay so ... but is war not a danger? and the fact that the Turks already shot down drones and said that they would shoot down everything that violates the border is not a danger? This is a war and everything can be right up to the inadequate actions of individual Turkish pilots. It was necessary to count on it in advance! Maybe there would be no loss.

I will tell you this: unfortunately, Russia differs from the app. Of Europe. Instead of competent preparation, hope for chance. So it is here. I will be straightforward, but this is called gouging.

With the Kogalym-Avia plane, the same thing: Russia began to bomb the bearded in Syria and hoped that there would be no terrorist attacks? Agree it is naive if not stupid.

Regarding the feasibility of resource costs, etc. - explain it to MO, cat. strategists sends through Lisbon with two refueling, then they launch rockets over Wednesdays. by sea, then fly over Syria (i.e. they could have bombed with the same success with cast iron) and fly back through Iran to Russia

Now in Syria: the Turks will not calm down, there will be provocations, they will substitute for open. hit. Already heard that they said that Russia bombed the gum. a column from Turkey. They can also, for example, send fighters without pilots (the USA has such). They can send American pilots to the border instead of Turkish pilots, and these guys are better trained. It will be dangerous. Therefore, you need to be smarter and respond only when there is 100% confidence that it is not a setup. Because if it comes to serious, Russia still has less power, the Turks can also pull their patriot to the border, for example.

[gukoyan]

Ehhh, 35th drying would go there.

[Wolka]

organizational conclusions are made, work is in progress ...

[iouris]

It won't help. As it turned out, Turkey has no borders, and therefore considers the territory of Syria "his". Obama nodded and started. In fact, Erdogan has nothing to lose, so he is "unable to negotiate." We must prepare for the next step: the closure of the straits and airspace over Iraq.

[red_october]

How events will unfold will show time. Everything can be
But we do not have the right not to make reasonable conclusions and not to respond (within our competencies and capabilities).

[Jozhkin Cat]

Surprisingly simple, do they really not know in the Ministry of Defense that the Charter of any military branches is written in blood! And if, according to the Charter, the bomber is required to be accompanied by a fighter, then it should be so, even when, intelligence does not see the presence of MANPADS from the enemy.

[Old26]

Quote: Fregate

Where do you get these numbers from? There were generally 12 Su-25 and Su-24 and 4-6 Su-34. Well, let the Su-34 also be 12, this will coincide with what is written in the article:

Look on the internet. Forget the question about the composition of the Russian air group in Syria and you will be given options ...

Quote: Fregate

Where do you get these numbers from? There were generally 12 Su-25 and Su-24 and 4-6 Su-34. Well, let the Su-34 also be 12, this will coincide with what is written in the article:

Even if there are 12 in all, there are now 36 fighters for 8 aircraft. In the long run 20

Quote: Naval

I hope to pronounce in the near future, with the shots of a burning and falling Turkish aircraft I am SATISFIED !!!

And if not? How is your satisfaction?

Quote: rassom

fighters for cover do not have to fly after every attack aircraft or bomber - there will be enough duty in areas of possible contact with fighters of other countries

Well, something the Minister of Defense is talking about flying in pairs: a bomber fighter. Who to believe? Him or you?