Construction of the largest special forces training complex continues in Chechnya

In Gudermes, the construction of one of the world's largest centers for the training of special forces continues, some of the facilities have already been commissioned, LifeNews.

An anti-terror group will be trained at the center. They will be trained in tactics and methods of warfare in cities, forests, mountains and even under water.

The center can accommodate 300 football fields, it will be one of the best in the world for technical equipment.

After the terrorist attacks in France, the special services of many countries applied for training their fighters in it.

Among the objects handed over - shooting pavilion, consisting of 14-ti individual locations. They can handle any unusual situations. Ramzan Kadyrov personally tested his capabilities.

“We sent our experts around the world. They took all the best. I declare that this will be the best military training center for special units, ”the head of Chechnya said.

As the channel’s correspondent was told, the base will also have a “diving center, wind tunnel and an entire mini-town where fighters from all over the world will develop skills to free hostages from high-rise buildings, schools and hospitals”.

Comments

[Vladimyrych]

TsSP is certainly wonderful, but why in Chechnya?

[ALEA IACTA EST]

To nightmare the whole world with military Kadyrovites, it is not otherwise ...

[meriem1]

Quote: ALEA IACTA EST

To nightmare the whole world with military Kadyrovites, it is not otherwise ...

Before broadcasting outside .. It’s not bad - to communicate with Vainakhs !!! Anyone who served in the Airborne Forces knows Ruslana Ausheva. From there, Yunus-Bek Yevkurov. Real Warriors and People. Kadyrov to the conversation, Man and causes Respect. !!!!! And the gopniks nightmare ... which are enough everywhere.

[good7]

Yunus-Bek Yevkurov strongly dislikes Ramzan and this is a fact. And he is an officer of the Russian Federation, not a former separatist!

[Now we are free]

Quote: ALEA IACTA EST

To nightmare the whole world with military Kadyrovites, it is not otherwise ...

Greetings Dmitry
Well, by the way, there is some truth in your words. It is not strange, but in Chechnya now they are making a Sickle if not a Hammer, in which the Russian Special Forces and the allies of the Russian Federation will learn to solve combat missions around the world, and in the light of the latest news, these tasks are added every month (if not by day) ...
By the way, regarding the Vainakhs, I'm not going to raise them to the Shield, but many of the Nokhchi have already forever remained in the Donetsk airport and in the fields of Donbass, fighting for the idea of ​​Novorossiya, and this is not a small thing. I remember Ramzan showing 20 soldiers at the stadium in Grozny, calling them "Putin's infantry" ready to carry out any of his orders, which tells me that soon these guys will have work and there will be a lot of it ...
Regarding distrust of Nokhchi after two wars, one can say the following - As geopolitics (especially modern) shows, you should certainly not forget history BUT you need to look who is here and now is on your side and how he can help you solve vital problems for you. Yes, Vainakhs are a very difficult ethnic group in terms of relationships, and I think everyone who has come across them in life knows this. Even of all the nationalities living in the North Caucasus, Vainakhs, and in particular Nokhchi, are the most difficult to understand and difficult to predict, BUT with certainty, one can say Vainakhs always RESPECTED FORCE and WISDOM. Respect for the first factor is inherent in their nature, respect for the second is brought up gradually and it must be demonstrated constantly, showing what exactly you know how best to do in a particular situation and why they should listen to you, consult with you and obey your orders. The second factor should be supplemented periodically by the first, but without excesses.
Dudayev and Maskhadov were quite good officers of the Soviet army who, after the collapse of the USSR (which they honestly served by the way), having lost any further ideological guideline, returned to their "Roots", and Boris-Liter contributed to the distance from the idea of ​​being a part of the Russian Federation. everyone knows there was no Power or Wisdom ... Accordingly, "Nokhchi" returned to the "Roots", but even then there was a choice of how to be guided by the ethical code of conduct of Nokhchi (and believe me, it is also very strong) "Wisdom" or the right of the strong with elements of teip " Strength "? Due to the reigning chaos at the time of the 90s on the territory of the entire post-Soviet space, Nokhchi, according to the "Laws of the Jungle", chose FORCE ... Two bloody wars showed that this was not quite the right decision, but I want to ask a question, suppose -You tamed the wolf and then stopped feeding it, began to communicate with it periodically to ... and then after some time, Suddenly decided that it should serve you again ... I don’t think I should describe the reaction of the wolf to your decision? ..
Yes, Vainakhs are wolves and they can’t be redone BUT (as one smart person said) These are OUR wolves ... And wolves know how to tear well and as confirmation of this Yevkurov-Pristina; Aushev-Afgan; Kadyrovtsy-08.08.08; Kadyrovtsy-Donbass, I will not list others ... Vainakhs cope with clearly set tasks perfectly and I will repeat these tasks will soon be added, including abroad ...

[good7]

Oh her, our wolves, etc. etc. How many of our non-wolves died in these wars? You exaggerate their role, and as in the case of Dudaev and Maskhadov, be prepared for a stab in the back from friends!

[Vitalii24]

And it is right! Chechens are our brothers

MAGOMED RAMAZANOV HAD NO INTENTION TO KILL, BECAUSE HAS NOT ADDED A GIRL IN A HOSPITAL!

MAGOMED RAMAZANOV RELEASED IN THE COURT HALL

Murder accused Russian 15 year old girl Maria Fedorova - Magomed Ramazanov - by a sentence of the Kalininsky District Court of St. Petersburg dated December 11, 2014, in accordance with the proposal of the prosecutor, was found guilty of ... moderate bodily harm (Article 112 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation) and was released under an amnesty in the courtroom.

In September 2013, Ramazanov started a conflict with a girl on the street and inflicted three blows to her head, after which she was rushed to the hospital, treated for two weeks, then was discharged home, where she soon died of a brain hemorrhage. Ramazanov spent in custody 1 year 3 months.

from the decision to dismiss:

It turns out, in the opinion of the forensic expert (in my opinion, clearly bribed by the Dagestan diaspora), bodily injuries such as destruction of brain matter and rupture of cerebral vesselsas if they were only moderate injuries - and then only on the basis of disability for a period of more than 21 days. It is absolutely clear that rupture of even ONE cerebral vessel, and even more so damage to brain matter, can lead to IMMEDIATE death. But Masha did not die immediately, but after a certain time. Again, not a single doctor will be able to determine why a particular patient died after some time, but not immediately, because doctors are not gods. But the court’s motivation is even more interesting - since the prosecutor REFUSED the initial charge of attempted murder and re-qualified Ramazanov’s actions on Article 112 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation (causing bodily harm of moderate gravity) - and motivated the re-qualification by the fact that Ramazanov, at that time, was free, knowing about Masha’s stay in the hospital, didn’t come there and DO NOT FIND HER !!!

http://andreychernuhin.livejournal.com/64667.html?thread=434331

[Vitalii24]

RESIDENTS OF NARTAN VILLAGE FOR TWO MONTHS FORCED THE 14-YEAR-OLD GIRL ARRIVING WITH THE MOTHER FROM KURSK. This became known only now - before that, neither the police nor the neighbors reacted to what was happening. And when the children's ombudsman and federal investigators joined the case, the relatives drove their “disgraced” family out onto the street.

After that, men began to arrive at the victim’s house in cars, demanding that the girl go with them. “The young people were arrogant and threatened me with reprisal if my daughter didn’t come to them,” the woman says. I called the police. They replied: "Write down the numbers of cars, we will figure it out." I did so, but the police did not come to us. ”

According to the victim’s mother, the girl was “intimidated by the fact that they would kill the whole family if she did not go out to them”. "When she began to ask why, they explained: you are Russian."

Newspaper look: http://vz.ru/society/2011/7/8/505826.html

[venaya]

Vladimirich (2): "but why in Chechnya?"- Have you heard that the Chechens build industry? Me too. So at least we need to keep them busy.

[Good me]

Quote: venaya

Have you heard the Chechens build industry? So do I. So at least something needs to be taken.

You know ... In the USSR, a monolithic, united (for the time being true) state, the necessary facilities were not built by any separate nations or nationalities. Built ONE SOVIET PEOPLE. THAT, and TAM, where it was considered necessary for the development of the country.

So why now, Chechens, or Udmurts, for example, have to build "" for themselves and for themselves "?

Are we not ONE COUNTRY, NOT ONE PEOPLE?

[venaya]

Quote: Good Me

Are we not ONE COUNTRY, NOT ONE PEOPLE?

I myself can hardly imagine that Chechens would call themselves "Russians". I think that if someone tells them this, he can quickly get "in the horn". No matter how we indulge ourselves with the theory that all people are equal, anyway, there are some differences between ethnic groups (not peoples, but ethnic groups) and often noticeable differences. So the Chechens differ from many and very much, and he himself noticed this, and the theory (the index of n ... ti) speaks of a big difference, in the case of Chechens a record difference from all other ethnic groups.

[good7]

Not just get in the horn, but also can trick! And whom did Yamadayev begin to terrorize after the Russians ended? Avars, all Muslim brothers! Wolves - will remain wolves!

[Altona]

Quote: Good Me

You know ... In the USSR, a monolithic, united (for the time being true) state, the necessary facilities were not built by any separate nations or nationalities.

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The policy of flirting with the local elite is always applied to the national outskirts, that is, they give free rein to them in accordance with the preferences of the local "comrade Saakhi". The "system of sultanates" always operates there, slightly tinted under the "general federal" one. In general, for the sake of local specifics ...

[Good me]

Quote: Altona

The policy of flirting with the local elite is always applied to the national outskirts, that is, they give free rein to them in accordance with the preferences of the local "comrade Saakhi". The "system of sultanates" always operates there, slightly tinted under the "general federal" one. In general, for the sake of local specifics ...

So on that, both the KEEP and KEEP monolith of the multinational state ...
Of course, you somewhat exaggerated the approach, but in general, this was the case during the period of RI and the USSR. That is why we differed in our attitude to the annexed or subjugated peoples from the colonial policy of the West, with its suppression of the "aborigines".

Century is Russia, does not waver. And the British empires, and the like, have long sunk into oblivion ...

[afdjhbn67]

The USSR also didn’t seem unstable .. And the bomb planted under Ilyich so far with a wick is about autonomous republics as part of Russia, nationalism is so far only domestic, but not the fact that it will not explode sometime, unfortunately, I myself live in nat. republic and I see how implicitly it spreads its wings and what will trigger the explosion, God knows ...

[Resistant]

This is a feature, one of the key, of our country, this is our unique concept. Do you know at least one other country with a similar internal structure?

[afdjhbn67]

Quote: Rezistant

. Do you know at least one other country with a similar internal structure?

Do you consider this an achievement? For me, a unitary state like the Russian Empire was much more preferable .. a monolith, stronger in its essence

[afdjhbn67]

Quote: Altona

tinted under the "federal". In general, for the sake of local specifics ...

As always, everything is simple - it will be cheaper to pay off than to fight, and here Putin is 100 percent. right, in a bad situation, 200 cargoes were still moving .. The bad thing is that the Putin-Kadyrov system itself is in a shaky balance, i.e. tied purely to the person ..

[Aurum]

[quote = afdjhbn67] [quote = Altona] n The bad thing is that the Putin-Kadyrov system itself is in a shaky balance, that is tied purely to the person .. [/ quote]

there will be a person like Yeltsin (that is, a corrupt person), maybe so, but there will be a real statesman, a person rooting for the people — everything will be normal in Chechnya.

[Felix-A]

Well, yes .. on your head. Once it was not enough

[seregatara1969]

Chechnya has a priority plant

[dmi.pris1]

Believe me, they are building a car assembly plant, for example .. Of course, the pace of construction of the industry is not the same as in the Union ..

Quote: venaya

Vladimirich (2): "but why in Chechnya?"- Have you heard that the Chechens build industry? Me too. So at least we need to keep them busy.

[Lelek]

Quote: venaya

So at least something needs to be taken.

Oil refining and related chemical industries. Oil in Chechnya is good, light, the population will have work, and the republic has decent money.

[dorz]

That's right, you need to be proactive. A good terrorist is a dead terrorist.

[Lenin]

Quote: Vladimir

TsSP is certainly wonderful, but why in Chechnya?

Whoever has the money builds it.

[Good me]

Quote: Lenin

Whoever has the money builds it.

Lenin, don't "La-La" This object is not private, but public ...

[Lenin]

Quote: Good I

Quote: Lenin

Whoever has the money builds it.

Lenin, don't "La-La" This object is not private, but public ...

Well, God forbid, Comrade Good. Under the USSR, I know there were government facilities, and you tell me how it looks now? At the moment, even the simple part cannot be considered fully state. A simple example of an RF suppose, somehow, it refers to the Ministry of Defense, and to whom it belongs to power supply, and Voentorg, etc. So la la do not.
P | S Everywhere business penetrated along with a tubaretkin. There is no Tubaretkin, but the business has remained and is building a special construction, the most not commercial state organization.

[79807420129]

Quote: Vladimir

TsSP is certainly wonderful, but why in Chechnya?

Because Ramzan covers our Southern borders and shoots iblises to hell.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: 79807420129

Because Ramzan covers our Southern borders and shoots iblises to hell.

All the same, strange people are in our country. Two years ago for such a koment, you would have been driven into skulls in two hours. You would be blamed for all the sins of the earth and demanded to be banned forever, but today they will put pluses to you, and the same people which two years ago would require your blood.
Well, this is me, to the general reflection wrote

[79807420129]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Quote: 79807420129

Because Ramzan covers our Southern borders and shoots iblises to hell.

All the same, strange people are in our country. Two years ago for such a koment, you would have been driven into skulls in two hours. You would be blamed for all the sins of the earth and demanded to be banned forever, but today they will put pluses to you, and the same people which two years ago would require your blood.
Well, this is me, to the general reflection wrote

Alexander, as if who did not relate to Kadyrov in today's conditions, this is actually so, we still did not have enough fighting in the Caucasus, and many of our enemies want to rock the Caucasus and now there is far from peace, but Ramzan even holds the situation in your hands, minus at least to the skulls and to the ban, this is just my opinion. Regards.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: 79807420129

Ramzan even holds the situation in his hands, if you want, minus the skulls and the ban, this is just my opinion. Regards.

They won’t minus you now, now they’ll dazzle you with their pluses. Two years ago I left a comment similar to yours and in an hour I got 200 minuses
In our country, the people come to the tight, almost like the Estonians, very harsh

[79807420129]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Quote: 79807420129

Ramzan even holds the situation in his hands, if you want, minus the skulls and the ban, this is just my opinion. Regards.

They won’t minus you now, now they’ll dazzle you with their pluses. Two years ago I left a comment similar to yours and an hour minus 200 minuses
In our country, the people come to the tight, almost like the Estonians, very harsh

Alexander two years ago, I would have kicked myself out and minus myself for such a comment, but if we could imagine what would happen now in the south, if it weren’t driven by Kadyrov, but by another Dudaev, we probably wouldn’t be in Syria, I would have had my own fire put out. And it is very good that most of us understand this.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: 79807420129

Alexander two years ago, I would have torn myself and minus myself for such a comment

And what has changed in two years?

[79807420129]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Quote: 79807420129

Alexander two years ago, I would have fought myself for such a comment ol and zinnusovat

And what has changed in two years?

Alexander has changed a lot in two years, I have been reading VO since 2013, I only recently registered.

[guzik007]

In our country, the people come to the tight, almost like the Estonians, very harsh
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Yeah. No luck with your people :)

[good7]

With money, why not keep it, but the point is that they are building! Where, the factories, where the institutes will how much Russia will milk! Resources tend to run out!

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: good7

With money, why not keep it, but the point is that they are building! Where, the factories, where the institutes will how much Russia will milk!

Chechnya is no longer a subsidized region. Good afternoon, Mr. Estonia.

[good7]

I will not insult you Cheburashka, but see this link http://www.aif.ru/dontknows/eternal/1206689

[prishelec]

Quote: good7

With money, why not keep it, but the point is that they are building! Where, the factories, where the institutes will how much Russia will milk! Resources tend to run out!

Yeah, Chechnya was milked at the time by R.I. and the USSR squeezed this patch of land like a sponge)) the oil is almost over.
Yes, factories and factories must be built!

[good7]

You don’t need oil for a donkey ride and obviously there isn’t so much oil there to justify the subsidies! In addition, Afghanistan is full of minerals and what, do they have mining technologies? No! So that these are all just words - resources taken away?

[prishelec]

Quote: good7

You don’t need oil for a donkey ride and obviously there isn’t so much oil there to justify the subsidies! In addition, Afghanistan is full of minerals and what, do they have mining technologies? No! So that these are all just words - resources taken away?

It seems you are a lover of donkeys,)) by the way, in Chechnya donkeys never rode donkeys, since ancient times, they valued and bred horses very much.
Now it’s not typed of course ...
They imposed a war on the Afghans, as they have imposed on the Chechens for several centuries in a row, destroying them on their own land, simultaneously hanging labels on them, such as "robbers, etc. By the way, the Moscow (nobles), if I may put it this way, can again impose on them ( if it is profitable for them) the next war, and set them like dogs like you!

Quote: good7

resources taken away?

You could say that.

[Heimdall48]

By the way, Moscow (nobles), if I may say so, can again impose on them (if it will be profitable) another war

All that is imposed on them by the poor and offended. And what Mordovians with Yakuts do not impose anything?

[Good me]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

All the same, strange people are in our country. Two years ago for such a koment, you would have been driven into skulls in two hours. You would be blamed for all the sins of the earth and demanded to be banned forever, but today they will put pluses to you, and the same people which two years ago would require your blood.

"Strange people", Alexander, live in a CHANGING COUNTRY, and that is not strange, they change with it ...

[Mikhail Krapivin]

Alexander Romanov
Strange all the same people in our country

Mind Russia does not understand :)

[good7]

So Ramzanku is everywhere PR, and people are hawking!

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: good7

So Ramzanku is everywhere PR, and people are hawking!

Am I People?

[Ze Kot]

Quote: 79807420129

Quote: Vladimir

TsSP is certainly wonderful, but why in Chechnya?

Because Ramzan covers our Southern borders and shoots iblises to hell.

And if he trains a lot of people in a couple of years and wants to build some kind of "state" too?

[Mahmut]

And if he trains a lot of people in a couple of years and wants to build some kind of "state" too?

But to prevent this from happening, everything was foreseen. Namely, their main income is oil and refining entirely in the ownership of Rosneft. Rosneft pays Kadyrov to the local budget only 2% of the price of oil produced in Chechnya. That is, practically nothing. And everything else is compensated by the federal budget. This is how the myth is created that Moscow contains Chechnya on the back of the Russian people. The Chechens have a twofold feeling about this. The first is that they defended their interests in the war. Second, being part of Russia is great. Therefore, any separatist sprouts in the republics are strangled with their own hands, and not with Russian bayonets.

[good7]

What oil was extracted in Chechnya, it has been extracted there since 1893, everyone has already worked out there, it is not there! Why they are drilling the shelves, why the Saudis are already climbing into Syria for oil, and even in their wells they started using the tertiary method of adding oil. The answer is because it is a non-renewable resource! And excuse me, electric cars and organic chemistry come into fashion so that the importance of oil with a price of $ 45 is greatly exaggerated to expose someone offense.

[Ze Kot]

Quote: Mahmut

And if he trains a lot of people in a couple of years and wants to build some kind of "state" too?

But to prevent this from happening, everything was foreseen. Namely, their main income is oil and refining entirely in the ownership of Rosneft. Rosneft pays Kadyrov to the local budget only 2% of the price of oil produced in Chechnya. That is, practically nothing.

What does oil have to do with it? I'm talking about the fact that he will have one of the most advanced training grounds, where he will be able to freely train his fighters.

[Mahmut]

You do not carefully read your own comment. You are concerned about the possibility of Ramzan to build his own state. What kind of state can there be within the framework of another state except as completely economically dependent or separatist? To organize such an idea, it’s not the commandos who need it, but money and, once again, money. This is Napoleon Bonaparte said. And he knew a little about it.

[good7]

I think so too, but there are a lot of Ramzan's friends on this site, so there’s no one to reach out to.

[good7]

They have a lot of iblises in the republic, and look at the map protects from whom from the Georgians? I'm afraid, I'm afraid!

[Aurum]

sorry, accidentally pressed the minus.
Totally agree with you.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: Vladimir

TsSP is certainly wonderful, but why in Chechnya?

Well, how can I say ... At all times, the Caucasus was a special forces school! (Read Lermontov ..)))

Caucasus! far country!
Residence liberty simple!
And you are full of misfortunes
And bloodied by war! ..
The caves and the rocks
Under the wild veil of haze
They will also hear the cry of passion
Ringing of glory, gold and chains? ..
Not! past years do not expect
Circassian, in his own country:
Freedom before a cute land
Significantly dying for her.

Half of Russia has passed through the Caucasus since the beginning of the 90s (well, almost ..)

[lukke]

and where is the money from, Zin? near the subsidized region
Ramzanchik’s caprice at the expense of the federal budget, i.e. from taxes of all Russians?
fine...

[Denis DV]

Quote: lukke

at the expense of the federal budget, i.e. from taxes of all Russians?
fine...

Do not have fun for the sake of the military, and the protection of all Russians. This is not a local project for specialists of one territory, I think all of ours will be rolled around there.

[lukke]

Do not have fun for the sake of the military, and the protection of all Russians. This is not a local project for specialists of the same territory, I think all of ours will be run there

I use both hands for such centers for training, but you read carefully my question: from what budget does the subsidized region take the money to build this? If this is part of the federal program under the auspices of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, then with what fright is Chechnya? a region that brings surprises to Russia every century? Do we need to urgently bury the money? - I can give the address of the summer cottage, at least I will not use them to the detriment of Russia)

[Good me]

Quote: lukke

and where is the money from, Zin? near the subsidized region

You Zina, do not bother, she has nothing to do with it.
With your own little mind, first take a look at the CSF, the object of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, on the money of WHICH budget is being built?

This is not Disneyland for Kadyrov, but an object of national importance ...

[lukke]

This is not Disneyland for Kadyrov, but an object of national importance

Well, thanks for the educational program, otherwise I confused it all the time
Well, I’m looking at you, then the chamber and you have first-hand information, carried the center under construction to the Ministry of Defense! Did Kadyrov probably bring you approval plans with Shoigu personally in the DPR? I’m directly aware of the central intelligence center of the FSB in ... (the Moscow region), I heard about the central intelligence center of the Ministry of Internal Affairs in Moscow, but I don’t have a clue about Kadyrov’s, I suppose that they’ll put it on the balance of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, it’s easier than getting the FSB. But then you know everything - tell us? only without thought-outs and visions, dear you are ours.

[Good me]

Quote: lukke

Well, thanks for the educational program, otherwise I confused it all the time
Well, I’m looking at you, then the chamber and you have first-hand information, carried the center under construction to the Ministry of Defense! Did Kadyrov probably bring you approval plans with Shoigu personally in the DPR?

Judging by your "knowledge" about what flag is on my avatar, and what it is called, and also based on the haste of your empty conclusions, YOU still have to LEARN and LEARN ...

And tact in communication, not least ...

[lukke]

Yes, I confused it with DNRvsky in priests, I admit that I combine work with a pleasant reading of the site (I must already separate it - if I allow mistakes). And about tact and so on - start with yourself, the teacher

With your mind

.

[Good me]

Quote: lukke

Yes, I confused it with DNRvsky in priests, I admit that I combine work with a pleasant reading of the site (I must already separate it - if I allow mistakes).

Separate. For example, in most cases, work doesn’t bother me browsing the Internet

Just to work, and to what I do on the network, I am equally responsible, not to the detriment of one another ...

[vkl-47]

no matter how then these trained "specialists" in Moscow with the golden stechkins didn’t put them on heliks. a library for their development would be better built and a training center could be built in Altai or in Siberia or anywhere but not in Chechnya. I don’t trust them

[Turkir]

I share your concern.
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Write better if you respect your language.

[good7]

Well, what about Putin's "infantrymen", there is already one "friend" of Erdogan, life does not teach anything!

[Ze Kot]

Quote: vkl-47

no matter how then these trained "specialists" in Moscow with the golden stechkins didn’t put them on heliks. a library for their development would be better built and a training center could be built in Altai or in Siberia or anywhere but not in Chechnya. I don’t trust them

If you want to weaken a potentially hostile people - they grew up with its benefits and amenities

[Bobxnumx]

Based on history, Chechens ALWAYS only fought. In tsarist Russia, it has always been a combat reserve. The Chechen lava terrified everyone.

[good7]

This has always been a problem, both for tsarist Russia, the USSR and for modern Russia, I found the same reserve!

[lukke]

The Chechen lava terrified everyone.

yeah, especially during the Second World War, when this "lava" deserted before reaching the front. At least go to the congresses of United Russia.

[good7]

You are right, recent thugs have become heroes, they remembered all the merits to them, forgot about crimes.

[prishelec]

Quote: lukke

The Chechen lava terrified everyone.

yeah, especially during the Second World War, when this "lava" deserted before reaching the front. At least go to the congresses of United Russia.

During the Second World War, 30-35 thousand Chechens fought on the fronts,
and there were no Nazis in Chechnya - apart from a sabotage group of 60-70 people, except that in the Malgobek district of Ingushetia a small part captured them and the same Vainakhs threw them out of there, so mass treachery and desertion are lies. I have never been to congresses!

[lukke]

Mass desertion of Chechens and Ingush: in just three years of World War II, 49362 Chechens and Ingush deserted from the Red Army, another 13389 “valiant highlanders” evaded conscription (Chuev S. North Caucasus 1941-1945. War in the rear. Observer. 2002, 2, No. XNUMX).
For example: at the beginning of 1942, when creating a national division, only 50% personnel could be called up.
In total, about 10 thousand Chechens and Ingush honestly served in the Red Army, 2,3 thousand people died and went missing. And more than 60 thousand of their relatives evaded military duty.

- Banditry. From July 1941 to 1944, on the territory of the Chechen-Ingush Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic, the state security organs eliminated 197 gangs - 657 bandits were killed, 2762 were captured, 1113 surrendered voluntarily. For comparison, in the ranks of the Workers 'and Peasants' Red Army, almost half as many Chechens and Ingushs died or were captured. This is without counting the losses of the "Highlanders" in the ranks of Hitler's "Eastern battalions."

Etc.

[prishelec]

Quote: lukke

Etc.

Etc. etc.)) do you think I am not familiar with the Beria-Yid stinky propaganda that you quoted? having nothing to do with reality! Do you know what the Beria’s NKVdeshniki did and did in Chechnya? there is enough detailed information, facts and evidence from Russian historians, and not only, and from others, for which Caucasian and Crimean peoples were deported. There was no mass desertion and betrayal either among the Chechen-Ingush or among the Crimean Tatars.
There is plenty of evidence in the German and other Western military archives that representatives of almost all the peoples of the USSR were traitors, but for some reason there are no Vainakhs among them!)) And there are many such facts!

[prishelec]

lukke
Show me Goebbels for example,)) talking to a Chechen!)))

[lukke]

About how we can insert pictures!) And what next? You I look so adventurous, a direct find for CNN. Well then, let's speculate: In the USSR there were many who surrendered, there were defectors, there were traitors (historical fact! No one argues) BUT if the Russians in the USSR in the same percentage as the Chechens did, the enemy would not be that Moscow came, and Vladivostok would have taken. Once again, since you have problems with mathematics, and probably with logic, 30 thousand Chechens fought as part of the Red Army, and 46 thousand deserted and some of them, including of the 30 thousand who fought. Normal statistics, Czech lover?

[prishelec]

lukke
I see that apart from Beria’s propaganda, you have nothing worthwhile,)) this, that, and that!

[lukke]

I see that apart from Beria’s propaganda, you have nothing worthwhile,)) this, that, and that!

In fact, all the numbers and data on the Internet were given from the declassified documents of the NKVD (there is no time to look), as well as for the Baltic "immigrants" indicating the categories of citizens and for what ...
But you seem to live by the principle of a hut - "we are all sitting here for nothing!")

[prishelec]

lukke
I live by the principle of truth above all else!

[lukke]

I see that apart from Beria’s propaganda, you have nothing worthwhile,)) this, that, and that!

In fact, all the numbers and data on the Internet were given from the declassified documents of the NKVD (there is no time to look), as well as for the Baltic "immigrants" indicating the categories of citizens and for what ...
But you obviously live by the principle of a hut - "we are all here for nothing!")

[Heimdall48]

not familiar with the Beria-Yid stinky propaganda you quoted? having nothing to do with reality! do you know what the beria nkvdeshniki did and what they did in Chechnya

What can the authorities make, even if it’s twice Beria’s and three times Yid? - here I completely agree with you, in the midst of a difficult war, withdraw military units from the front in order to deport a bunch of healthy men (surrounded by others) to the rear, when the front was in short supply of soldiers who could these healthy bearded men become?
For all their shortcomings, the Soviet authorities were not suicides and romantics, but were pragmatists and did not fool around.

[prishelec]

Heimdall48

Etc. etc.)) do you think I am not familiar with the Beria-Yid stinky propaganda that you quoted? having nothing to do with reality! Do you know what the Beria’s NKVdeshniki did and did in Chechnya? there is enough detailed information, facts and evidence from Russian historians, and not only, and from others, for which Caucasian and Crimean peoples were deported. There was no mass desertion and betrayal either among the Chechen-Ingush or among the Crimean Tatars.
There is plenty of evidence in the German and other Western military archives that representatives of almost all the peoples of the USSR were traitors, but for some reason there are no Vainakhs among them!)) And there are many such facts!

I see you liked the photo!)))

[Heimdall48]

I see you liked the photo!)))

Yes, the photo is nonsense. What does she prove? That quite a large part of the Russians collaborated with the Germans is indisputably true. But excuse me, you can’t give a damn from the bell tower, since the whole war with Germany rested on the same Russians, and as a percentage, all this is a goofy minuscule. But with the Chechens - a completely different calico.
You know the saying - "what is allowed to Jupiter is not allowed to a bull".

[prishelec]

Quote: Heimdall48

But with the Chechens - a completely different calico.

Exactly, and based on what tsarist Russia has been doing in Chechnya for several centuries in a row, simultaneously labeling them, yes, and the post-revolutionary time, too, the Chechens had, and have a moral right to everything, absolutely.
But all the same, except for the Beria lie, there is no evidence that the Chechens defected or massively surrendered to the Germans,)) but there are a lot of others! perhaps this is the end.

And finally, a dance for the Germans)) -

[Heimdall48]

Tsarist Russia worked in Chechnya for several centuries in a row

She did what she had to do with robbers, robbers, slaveholders, keeping people in Zindans.

But still, except for the Beria lie, there is no evidence that the Chechens defected or massively surrendered to the Germans,)

You can forget about Beria, and remember how the Chechens behaved in the early 90s (they did not differ in loyalty to Russia, to put it mildly), draw an analogy and then the Beria lie does not seem to be such.
And dances - let them dance, it’s a good thing. )) It does not bother me.

[dmi.pris1]

Closer to nature ... Hunters test dogs on a beast ... And here, we’ll catch them in Syria, put them in cages and use them for their intended purpose ...

Quote: Vladimir

TsSP is certainly wonderful, but why in Chechnya?

[cniza]

We had a good base In Gori, a new one I think will be better.

[Teberii]

Everything should be better, weapons, equipment and training. And where it does not matter.

[dchegrinec]

It is very useful to locate not only military training facilities in the North Caucasus, but also sports facilities in order to maximize the potential of "hot" Caucasian blood for the good of the Motherland.

[Aurum]

You can certainly make fun of it, but Ramzan is the only head of the region that these bearded imbeciles igiloids are afraid of.
Eeeh, he would have been President, if there were no Chubais, no Grefs, no liberals, and other hypocritical, unreliable riffraff in power. We would personally see the real fruits of the fight against corruption.
Private opinion.

[good7]

You can go to permanent residence in Chechnya, we do not need such a beastman!

[Aurum]

I understand that you need Serdyukov with a butler and billionaire Shoigu

[Heimdall48]

if he were President, then there would have been no Chubais, no Grefs, or liberals in power

God save ... He would be to the far North in a pea coat for construction or sawing to work once in a lifetime.

[Aurum]

yes, yes, but stick Yeltsin’s monuments everywhere, and during his lifetime a monument to Dyachenko, for courage in plundering 4 yards of greenery.
I am surprised why Chubais was not made Minister of Defense ... he would have done the job.
And let Ramzan fight, in Donbas, in Ossetia, with Wahhabis and others.

[Heimdall48]

Yeltsin, as it were, has nothing to do with it, although essentially the same enemy.

And let Ramzan fight, in Donbas, in Ossetia

Ramzan sits in its place while the Russian forces are not enough and tear in the brain. But the mess will end someday and all the thieves will go to their destination. But not in the Donbass.

[Hell's Angel]

If only we had this in Siberia!
Interestingly, all power structures will be allowed there? Or only the "chosen ones"?

[Konstantin Yu]

I think the siloviki will take practice there ...

[222222]

Aurum SU Today, 09:32 ", it would be for President, .."
To begin with ... head ... the Ministry of the Interior of the Russian Federation ....

[Denis DV]

The center can accommodate 300 football fields

You can ward off the layout of the Pentagon, and most importantly, there are enough specialists for a global training

[Stepan stepanovich]

Quote: 222222

Aurum SU Today, 09:32 ", it would be for President, .."
To begin with ... head ... the Ministry of the Interior of the Russian Federation ....

In, as the current got. It is indicative, however.

[good7]

You communicated with the Chechens, then everything breaks into central Russia, for the wrong word there and you can shoot it to idiots. Sit comments write there him here, he tries for the Chechens, the rest can sit in Zindans!

[bydanoff.val]

And who will contain all this? Nothing is clear already. Stadiums, F1 tracks, centers. And who will plow in the fields ?.

[Denis DV]

Harness and Pasha

[eaz]

I'm plowing tired yet

[good7]

So their idol will quickly determine who is in the warriors, and whom and slaves.

[Vladimir]

In Chechnya, I think it’s necessary to build other facilities so that it wouldn’t be better for Chechens to take up bad thoughts from idleness. And such training centers and their secondary facilities should be closer to Moscow, is it really not enough space in Russia, but this is my opinion from the mountain it is more visible.

[good7]

You are absolutely right!

[Chulman]

Quote: good7

Well, what about Putin's "infantrymen", there is already one "friend" of Erdogan, life does not teach anything!

I support you!

[UZBEK TASHKENT]

Guys, read the center carefully. Federal significance complex. Why in Chechnya? - Why not? The guys are strong, loyal and fearless. True warriors - remember how in 2008 the Georgians fled with mattresses when they threw the guys from the Caucasus into a breakthrough. The Circassian regiment, remember that the tsar provided personal protection. The result - a million pluses to the guys. Allah to the rescue!

[good7]

What are devotees doing? To us in the Black Earth region, that few zinc coffins returned, are we less devoted? We do not have a national idea of ​​a mono state, but the Chechens have it! And I remember the three hundred year history of the Caucasian wars, so there are no pluses! And remember the Preobrazhensky and Semenovsky regiment! Not Allah to the rescue!

[Denis DV]

We did not fight against Chechens, but against terrorists, for the most part with Arab mercenaries and their henchmen. Do not go under Western propaganda, Chechnya wetted them with us.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: UZBEK TASHKENT

Guys, read the center carefully. Federal significance complex. Why in Chechnya? - Why not? The guys are strong, loyal and fearless. True warriors - remember how in 2008 the Georgians fled with mattresses when they threw the guys from the Caucasus into a breakthrough. The Circassian regiment, remember that the tsar provided personal protection. The result - a million pluses to the guys. Allah to the rescue!

I agree with you! And I would also add how terribly they were afraid of Bandera ... As the saying goes, "Whoever remembers the old will be out of sight ..." We all remember and they too! Now they need to unite ... Chechens have always been able to fight honestly and loyally on our side when Russia is strong! Alas, this is their main condition ... You need to use this! The time has come for them, their duty to fulfill ..

[lukke]

And I would also add how Bandera were terribly afraid of them ...

As far as I remember the Czechs with UNA-UNSO from 1995 to "zero" fought with us together ?! or do you have other information?

[eaz]

and I’m holding pigs. I’ll have to cut off the heads of the Basmachi

[Vitaly Anisimov]

I think the topic (Chechnya Forge Special Forces):
It was in the early 2000s (then business trips to Chechnya "cops" were a common thing)
We decided to conduct an exercise (close to reality) "Robbery of collectors" In general, we "robbed" them, we even shot them a little, we took one of them as "hostages";
I jokingly ask "We will not be shot by chance ..?"))))
Chief of Staff: "Yes, everyone should not be warned, although everyone has combat cartridges ..")))
And so quietly to me: "You wouldn't drive too much, otherwise our equipment is old, until they start ... you understand .."
And then suddenly, at the crossroads, the "cop's gig" flies out and brakes the guys in helmets and armored vehicles out of the car on one knee and start firing into the air ...!
I almost flew away from the unexpected ...
Nashtaba did not expect swearing either ...
Yelling, I'll arrange it ..!
Then calmly, "We came from Chechnya recently, but the habit remained ..")))
I also calmed down and the only thing I could say was "They all worked correctly and clearly .. Don't scold them!)
After half a kilometer we were finally blocked (even in the "monkey sat in handcuffs))))
The guys were not special forces and not riot police, ordinary PPS!

[gladysheff2010]

Quote: The Cat

If you want to weaken a potentially hostile people - they grew up with its benefits and amenities

Are you personally in favor of the "Anglo-Saxon" option of making friends? I sit down with friends at the table, although I can have a different opinion about politics and economics, and despite the differences I love and respect my friends. In the Caucasus, you are either friend or foe, the third not given.

[Zheka40]

Quote: good7

Yunus-Bek Yevkurov strongly dislikes Ramzan and this is a fact. And he is an officer of the Russian Federation, not a former separatist!

The Ingush and Chechens have always disliked each other, so no wonder.

[Murking]

Firstly, Chechnya poses no threat, militarily for present-day Russia, due to different military capabilities. Secondly, it is the sting of terrorists directed to the Caucasus, and it is there that a lot of young people leave for the forest or leave for Syria, and after that they try arrange sabotage. Kadyrov himself understands the Chechen special services, they suffer losses in this fight, so they need to be well trained and supported if you don’t want the guys from Siberia or the Far East to die and lose their heads there. And nowhere from this submarine there are no other options, in this chess game this is the only possible correct move.

[good7]

In fact, their sting is aimed at the whole world, I do not belittle the merits of Ramzan in the counter-terrorism field, but I blindly trust him - you have to be a complete idiot!

[Murking]

There is no concept of trust in politics, there are concepts of moves, future moves and counter-moves. Ramzan's father died at the hands of terrorists, he himself had several assassination attempts, a perfectly normal candidate. Botanik with glasses, with a book on democracy is not needed there, he fought against federal forces, so almost all of Chechnya fought there.

[good7]

His father, a former terrorist, should not forget about this either!

[kit-kat]

Why in Chechnya? Why not in the Urals?

[FAM]

Well done Kadyrov!
But only again, as always - no matter what we do, we get a Kalashnikov assault rifle. Kadyrov realized that if this were so, it was necessary to do just that, so as not to waste time and money.

[good7]

Personal stable with horses from $ 300 thousand to $ 2,5 million per head money is not empty? Or is he a dervish?

[Aurum]

most governors have such stables, some in the countries of the probable adversary (not sickly such stables with clear lashadas), not to mention deputies and ministers, only Golikov is worth it, she needed to go to prison, and she rules in the accounting chamber. Wonderful your affairs edrosi

[Gunther]

At the base of the center, anti-terror group training will be held. They will be taught tactics and techniques of warfare in cities, forests, mountains and even under water.

If under water, then in the Crimea there is a place for the center, and mountains are available.

good7 Quote:
.... but blindly trust him - you have to be a complete idiot!

Plus - trust, but check!

[Gunther]

UZBEK TASHKENT Quote:
..Cherkessky regiment remember that the tsar provided personal protection.

Yes, by the way, what about the tsar, did the true warriors provide protection?