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With an eye to Kiev

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First - the machines, then - Tanks


The army, and with it all of Russia is waiting for “Armat”. But who needs an ultramodern tank without new shells? And the leading developer of automatic lines for slug production - the Tula Research Technological Institute (TNITI) is in a deplorable situation - all employees are sent on indefinite leave.

One salvo 26 "Caliber" from the Caspian Sea in Syria cost 10 billion rubles. This would be enough for the eyes to restore and strengthen TNITI, and therefore, the entire equipment industry. This was described in the article "Starving God of War."

In former times, 152-mm projectiles (excluding liners and equipment) were manufactured at the Tochmash mills in Donetsk and Sibselmash in Novosibirsk, at the Selmash plants in Kirov, Orsky Mashinostroitelny and Verkhneturinsky machine-building. Armor-piercing-substage (BOD) was manufactured in Zlatoust (Lenin plant) and Leningrad (Karl Liebknecht Mechanical Plant).

With an eye to Kiev


At present, the production of BOD has been preserved in some form in the latter. Production of all other artillery shells, including 152-mm, is concentrated in the Upper Tour. By the way, the production of artillery steel and brass shells also remained at the only plant - Orsk mechanical. We can only say that other factories that made some shells — Nevyansky, Nizhny Tagil, Amursky — were ordered to live for a long time. Square shops another plant - Chelyabinsk plant them. S. Ordzhonikidze used for warehouses of consumer goods.

Convinced of the need for a decisive recovery of projectile production, I suggest starting with a minimum of one million 152-mm projectiles per year. Production should be located in Kirov, at the Selmash plant, because it is the only one among all that has kept Tula automatic machining lines for a special period. And most importantly - the camp remained in Kirov, where the billets of the shell buildings were made, the technology of firmware and profile rolling with the pressing on automatic lines is alive.

The next stage is the revival of TNITI machine-tool production: about one hundred TM machines are needed per million buildings, but some of them already exist in the mentioned automatic lines.

You also need to prepare automated production of cases based on multi-spindle CNC machines KA-500. Their annual production of the same million shells will require 34.

The first such machines were manufactured at the Kiev plant of automatic machines. Gorky in June 1991. It was planned that one will go to the Orsk plant. But Square broke out - and the unique machine remained with the manufacturer. One of the two prototypes went to the Hannover exhibition. Firms were spinning near him, and although they showed it with a made-up part, the experts immediately recognized the shell machine in it. Renault wanted to buy, but Kiev failed to provide after-sales service. One of the machines soon went into oblivion, and the second until recently was kept in the museum of the plant.

Our KA-500 was planned by an automated production cell, a workshop was built in Novosibirsk waiting for these same 34 machines, and a department for organizing automated production controlled by a computer worked at TNITI.

So, in principle, the machines can be ordered from Kiev residents - even if not along the “defense” line. For example, Rosneft or Gazprom will order a dozen or so KA-500, for example, for processing parts of drilling locks. After that, part of the machines ordered under the contract should be left to the production of drilling equipment, and part should be sent as intended - to make shells with 152-mm shells. Rendering machines is not so difficult task for specialists.

In the meantime, be engaged in the preparation of production of the spacecraft 500 in TNITI and its organization at the Ordzhonikidze plant in Moscow. In any case, now do it yourself. Without a unique car can not do. It can handle all major parts of ammunition, including the case of BOD. And not only - the machine is universal. At one time, we coordinated with potential customers the manufacture of pistons for tank engines, excavator shafts, and the same drilling locks.

The development of the machine is, of course, a complicated and costly business. But the investments are not so large that they do not go.

Let's face it. 152-mm shells actually become the main artillery. And their production will have to be adjusted sooner or later, but this is impossible without the restoration of TNITI and its machine-tool plant.

Although before talking about the mass production of shells, it is necessary to create a production of the entire complex of equipment, primarily TM machine tools, and in the future - multi-spindle-type KA-500.

And: KA-500, originally designed for shells of 152-mm projectiles, can handle any parts up to 500 millimeters in diameter and up to 1200 millimeters in length. That is, almost all large parts of ammunition, including the hull of the new BOD. And not only them.

In addition, it is a CNC machine that can be used in conditions from small-scale to mass production. Limits only special equipment, which will require not so much.

In April 2014, Rostec signed a contract for the supply to 66 of thousands of tank shots of BOD Mango in India. By a strange coincidence, at this very time, our TNITI was busy reassembling these same products stored in warehouses. Under the contract, NIMI undertook to supply equipment, technology and organize the production of shells at a factory in India. Apparently, the Indians will cope with the machine park themselves, at least in TNITI nobody asked for any machines or automatic lines. But it was possible to put everything in a set with our TM machines.

The new armor-piercing-piercing projectile "Vant", intended for the "Armata", is one third longer than the "Mango". With its mass production (if it is planned), the manufacturer will suffer. And for the projectile KA-500, about which it was discussed above, the body of "Vant" - seeds. The machine has everything for its productive and high-quality processing, but it seems to be more profitable for someone to do everything “on the knee”.

And is it not strange to create shell production in India, leaving your own in neglect?
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  1. Seryoga0629
    Seryoga0629 26 November 2015 14: 30 New
    -115 qualifying.
    This is Russia! everything is stupid and unpredictable
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      1. pilot8878
        pilot8878 26 November 2015 14: 36 New
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        Quote: SS68SS
        384 million one Caliber missile ???? It looks like "dope"

        The meaning of the article is not the price of the rocket, but the need to restore OWN shell production. Article plus.
        1. Baikonur
          Baikonur 26 November 2015 14: 37 New
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          Quote: Seryoga0629
          This is Russia! everything is stupid and unpredictable

          It's not about the money! And even more so cleverness and stupidity are not measured by money! There are a bunch of factors that influenced the use of "Calibers" (And, in this case, it may be expensive, but for the Outcome, the Result (moral, psychological, ...) it is necessary!) And it is not for you to decide, especially since we cannot see the whole picture, the situation!

          But -
          Is it not strange to create shell production in India, leaving it negligent?
          - This is indeed strange! Suggests corruption! (On the bribery of someone who has power in this matter) WHERE IS SPRING? (Chairman, State Duma Committee on Security and Anti-Corruption)
          It turns out - TNITI is in a deplorable state - all employees are sent on indefinite leave, i.e. dying, being killed and no one notices?

          AND! Gosgorlopany! where are you?!!!

          1. Temples
            Temples 26 November 2015 16: 59 New
            -3
            Convinced of the need for a decisive restoration of shell production, I propose to start with a minimum of one million 152 mm shells per year.

            Another prime!
            He knows everything.
            Where to start and how to end.
            One trouble - do not let go steer!
            Have to write.
            But do not despair! Already offers to start!
            But why does he offer us?
            Can make a proposal to a referendum?

            I understand that it’s a shame for the Power!
            For some reason, many understand exactly what they are not doing on duty.
            1. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 26 November 2015 18: 43 New
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              Quote: Temples
              For some reason, many understand exactly what they are not doing on duty.

              It appears so, dear.
              After serving in the SA, he graduated from the university, just in the specialty "Robots and robotic automatic lines", was directly related to the production of missiles "Grad" and art. shells.
              In front of my eyes, production facilities were falling apart, unique robotic lines were destroyed, the machine park, updated just in 90-91 by mainly CNC machines, was sold for scrap and all this did not happen in the 90s, but in the two thousandth.
              For many years we collaborated with TNITI (By the way, I did a graduation project with consultants and a manager from TNITI) and in front of my eyes the enterprise and employees were driven into poverty!
              Many comrades worked exclusively on enthusiasm, the last of the "Mohicans", apparently, will die out, like the tribe of the same name.
              Regarding many of the "newest" systems that "rolled" on Red Square this year, I can firmly say that almost all products are now produced "on the knee" and in some semi-handicraft way.
              For the past 16 years, not only the technological chains inside the country, but even inside many factories and enterprises have been destroyed.
              Yesterday the president opened the "Eltsin Museum" for 7 lard of national money and talked about the continuation of the work of the "great shitokrat" Perm dvigun PD-14 ... - the first in 30 years.
              And here is the "crap oath" ...
              1. Temples
                Temples 27 November 2015 07: 44 New
                +1
                And what does all this confession mean?
                What kind of cry is Yaroslavna?
                Or do you think that after the tub of your revelations poured on me, something will change?
                I'll repeat:
                -If there is power and knowledge, then you need to use these forces and knowledge as intended.
                And sitting at the computer, scribbling that everything is bad, but you know how to act the mind does not need much.
                Nothing new in your revelations.
                We all lived at this time. And in front of all of us, radishes (the softest word) have ruined the country.
                Not just a single production, but the whole country.
                And whining now about this time will not reverse.
                I wish you all the best from the heart.
                Will and courage. And we will succeed.
                Here, for the most part, people who love and believe in Russia have gathered.
                And Russia is strong in people.
          2. Platonich
            Platonich 27 November 2015 04: 28 New
            -1
            Where are you (Rogozin)?
        2. pilot8878
          pilot8878 26 November 2015 14: 40 New
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          Hooked on ONE wrong phrase and skip everything else. After all, the article, PMSM, is well thought out: even the models and the number of necessary machines have been calculated. It probably makes sense to consider the merits.
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          2. varov14
            varov14 26 November 2015 16: 05 New
            +6
            For the meaning of the article in former times, they would simply have shot and done it right, although our power is stupid and corrupt, it cannot be taken away. He always strives to get into a sack of derma.mo, then he doesn’t know how to get out, staggers to the right, left and does not know which coast to stick to. You noticed on TV, they are already tearfully asking the Turks to admit that they are wrong, and push them to this, and on the brakes. And all why, here because of the truth that the article. Back in Yeltsin's times, with global inflation and lack of money, medicine was still breathing and there was still education. But there is no new elite, it was necessary to make the uneducated out of the population, sick. But Europe smiled and didn’t let it sit at the table next to it, though it allowed to keep the loot at home and buy housing, but that was all. That they cleverly woke up, but the train is already that-that, time has been lost, and already overlaid on all sides, that’s how they are turning like snakes in a frying pan. And it was only necessary to rely on their own forces and not to make a herd of stupid, obedient sheep from the people.
        3. Sirocco
          Sirocco 26 November 2015 14: 56 New
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          Quote: pilot8878

          The meaning of the article is not the price of the rocket, but the need to restore OWN shell production. Article plus.

          Machine tools, machine tools, machine tools. And who will work on these machines? The education system, not just limping, but crawling on 4 bones, asked a neighbor of the 10th grade student about a drawing subject, he hatched his eyes. In the labor lesson, they only look at the machines of the 50-60s of the release.
          We’re eating further, the chain between vocational education and enterprises is broken, I have not seen orders from factories for Stanochnikov a wide profile, everything is private, and the private trader is not interested in financing vocational schools.
          Well, and the second, it is now coming reduction for UAZ, about 2 thousand people. Where are they and what kind of machines. The fact that they introduced the equipment is good, only with this approach as it is now, no one will work.
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          2. pellets
            pellets 26 November 2015 15: 17 New
            +2
            In the last decade, the values ​​of training have been revised on the territory of the Russian Federation, and gradually an increase in interest in vocational education has begun. In the state, majors began to open. If at the beginning of the 2000s, 70% of school graduates chose higher education, recently only about 45% of graduates have chosen universities. Also an important detail: according to the data for 2014, at the end of VPU and vocational schools more than 60% go to work in the chosen working specialty.
            1. gladcu2
              gladcu2 27 November 2015 00: 21 New
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              pellets

              All is correct. To restore education, arrests by an official cannot be dispensed with. 10% of decent officials will not be able to arrest 90% of embezzlers. It was Stalin who had the old guard, who knew how to distinguish the embezzler from the normal one, and then a bunch of jambs.

              Recovery is slow, substitution for the right ones takes time. The process is going on scrupulously.
          3. pellets
            pellets 26 November 2015 15: 19 New
            +3
            The result of increasing the prestige of working specialties was the work of the state education program 2011-2015. aimed at modernizing and attracting young personnel to the work sector. The federal program for the training of new specialists provided for the promotion and development of regional programs and the financing of educational institutions. In the previous year, more than 45 subjects of Russia received material support for the training of new personnel in the areas of technicians and specialists working with equipment and metal processing.
            1. Sirocco
              Sirocco 26 November 2015 15: 23 New
              +4
              Quote: Pellets
              In the last decade, the values ​​of training have been revised on the territory of the Russian Federation,

              It was smooth on paper, but forgot about the ravines.
              In places, it is by no means so rosy and beautiful.
              I wrote about machines, now I’ll write about vocational schools (welders), how do you like 5 kg of electrodes for 1 month for a group? And even higher ones, do they say a lot? (According to the master)
              1. KBR109
                KBR109 26 November 2015 16: 04 New
                +2
                Actually for a group of people in 10 this is for one single practical lesson. For a long time already, students are recommended to purchase electrodes for themselves. Infa from a friend - a master of industrial training.
                1. zadorin1974
                  zadorin1974 26 November 2015 17: 26 New
                  +8
                  I don’t know how YOU are, I’ll write about the College where my middle son is studying. First, the DIRECTOR is a real business executive, an excellent teacher, and just a wonderful person. As we do this, we streamlined the former technical school for land reclamation and vocational schools (builders, mittens, car mechanic, etc.) The son entered the mechanization of agriculture (former technorevsky education-3.8 years-middle-level manager for the newfangled) So, in the profile profession he gets the rights of a tractor driver (three categories), crusts of an excavator driver, front-end loader, combine operator. We only pay for driving. Under the additional education program (after couples in the main specialty) I studied for a gas electric welder (50% of the discount discount-paid only 6000) now she wants to study for a car electrician and a diesel engine technician (the college bought new stands for diagnostics). The same scheme -50%, it is possible on credit (will be paid during the school year). That's it, if the director is not a thief, the school works. And study is not free, they are expelled at times. to, whoever wants to study, who the hell doesn’t need anything, and don’t get a stick.
                  1. Dryulea
                    Dryulea 26 November 2015 20: 46 New
                    0
                    In the year 14, my son graduated from MPEI
                    optics-electronics. The group consisted of 21 people - he is one paysite. Of the entire group in his specialty, only he went to work in the specialty. The point of training on a budget of 20 people? Just for a diploma? I trained an engineer for my own money, but where are the others? And in general, what kind of training is this, when a 4-year son comes to me in the evening and says, "Explain how the microcontroller works, our teacher is a fool, she doesn't know anything, I didn't understand anything." And this is an institute with a Name!
                    As before, in Soviet times, they talked about vocational education, oaks arrive, and linden is produced. Now we can talk about higher education (and indeed about Russian) education.
                    1. zadorin1974
                      zadorin1974 26 November 2015 21: 12 New
                      +1
                      In my opinion, Andrei is the reason that after school, not the guys do not work in their specialty in the parents. I got my legal profession, one might say, thanks to my mother. Study the child, otherwise you will always run around with a pistol and twist nuts in the garage. It would be better to go to " I was able to give my son several alternatives. At the expense of the education system, after the collapse of the Soviet system, education is at the level of three classes and two corridors. And at the expense of graduates of higher educational institutions, such peppers appear in our PTT and ST positions of engineers and TSA inspectors, hair stands on end. One phrase - I understood why there are no brakes in the Urals, the driver does not monitor the level of liquid in the system, you just need to hang it on it. And there are more than half of them (albeit for one, two watches repeat).
                    2. gladcu2
                      gladcu2 27 November 2015 00: 25 New
                      +1
                      Dryulea

                      There's a meaning. Even if you never work in your specialty in your life. Education lays out worldview stereotypes. National morality is being formed.
          4. drlalex
            drlalex 26 November 2015 15: 53 New
            -1
            While there are no machines, there will be no one to work. Always first a tool, and then service personnel to train
            1. gladcu2
              gladcu2 27 November 2015 00: 28 New
              +1
              dralex

              Not an experience. The CNC operator learns in 2 weeks. Adjuster for 2 years. The programmer is the same installer only with programming courses.
              The adjuster is needed at the rate of 1 to 10 or 1 to 20. Depending on the production.
          5. van zai
            van zai 27 November 2015 13: 03 New
            0
            And you look, who now stands behind the CNC machines? Belarusians, Ukrainians and grandfathers are still Soviet hardened.
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        5. Konstantin Yu
          Konstantin Yu 26 November 2015 15: 53 New
          +1
          ... I’m sure that not only with shells is such an ambush ... Bolts have done, we can’t screw nuts ..
        6. Geisenberg
          Geisenberg 26 November 2015 16: 35 New
          0
          Quote: pilot8878
          Quote: SS68SS
          384 million one Caliber missile ???? It looks like "dope"

          The meaning of the article is not the price of the rocket, but the need to restore OWN shell production. Article plus.


          You don’t need to replace the body with soft ones! The meaning of the article is that money must be given to someone for the construction of the plant, which I regretted. In the hell ...
          1. sober
            sober 26 November 2015 19: 16 New
            -1
            I agree. Some kind of advertising machine. It can not be that we would not have anything like this or better !!!!!!!
            1. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 26 November 2015 21: 52 New
              +1
              Quote: sober
              . Some kind of advertising machine. It can not be that we would not have anything like this or better !!!!!!!

              Go for sleep now lol
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        7. Vanya Ivanov
          Vanya Ivanov 26 November 2015 16: 46 New
          +6
          But it may not all be so sad. I will bring excerpts from articles over the last time.
          1) The first assembly workshop of the Stankmashstroy company was opened in Penza. On an area of ​​more than 3 thousand m², assembly and production of machines that are currently in demand in the metalworking industry in Russia and the CIS will be carried out.
          In the near future, the company "Stankomashstroy" plans to open a second assembly shop in the Penza region.
          2) September 29, in the Ulyanovsk industrial park "Zavolzhye" the opening of machine-tool production of the company "DMG MORI" took place. The new production site should become one of the most modern in the global network of the Japanese-German concern. Investments in the project amounted to more than 3 billion rubles. The company employs more than 200 employees.
          In addition, DMG MORI SEIKI will create an engineering center in the region for the development of high-performance and high-precision lathes and milling machines with programmed control, as well as a training center for working on machine tools.
          3) The first assembly workshop of the Stankmashstroy company was opened in Penza. On an area of ​​more than 3 thousand m², assembly and production of machines that are currently in demand in the metalworking industry in Russia and the CIS will be carried out.
          In the near future, the company "Stankomashstroy" plans to open a second assembly shop in the Penza region.
          4) The Ural enterprise Unimatic together with the Emco Group corporation (EMCO Group, Austria-Italy-Germany) launched the production of numerically controlled machine tools (CNC) in Yekaterinburg.
          By the end of the year 25 such machines will be produced. Next year their number will be increased to 60. By 2018, it is planned to increase production to 100 units per year.
          5) Stankoprom JSC, a member of Rostec, and T-Platforms, a Russian IT equipment developer, have signed an agreement to create a joint venture to organize in Russia its own production of domestic numerical control systems (CNC). According to the T-Platforms, the planned investment in the project exceeds 300 million rubles.
          6) The Ural-Instrument-Pumori company (Perm, part of the Ural machine-building corporation Pumori) has launched the first Russian-Indian machining center, Center for Industrial and Industrial Safety VF400.
          The assembly of the machine marked a new stage in the cooperation of the company with the Indian machine-building enterprise Ace Manufacturing Systems (AMS), the press service of the Pumori UMK noted.
          7) Proton-PM (Perm) entered into a regional project to create the production of lathes with numerical control. The volume of investments is 317 million rubles. Potential consumers are industrial enterprises of Russia and Perm Territory. In 2015, it is planned to establish industrial production and manufacture 40 metalworking machines, said the Perm Regional Server
          I CAN ADD MORE ... WE BUILD SYSTEMS OF AIR DEFENSE, APL, ROCKETS, AIRPLANES AND HELICOPTERS. WE WILL BE ABLE TO STICK ON THE RELEASE FOR Shells.
          1. Dryulea
            Dryulea 26 November 2015 20: 59 New
            +1
            I have a good companion, the owner of an electrical installation company. He already connected these machines made under the import substitution program. This is quiet horror! In the machines, initially there is neither grounding nor grounding! (But this is from the series - four corpses near the tank will complement the morning landscape) Everything was done on such a primitive, almost from the Soviet era. Representatives of the manufacturer about electrical insulating shrinkage have no idea!
            1. gladcu2
              gladcu2 27 November 2015 00: 32 New
              0
              Dryulea

              And for the machines need concrete platforms. So that vibration does not affect the accuracy of processing.
            2. vladimir_krm
              vladimir_krm 27 November 2015 11: 24 New
              -1
              Horror! There is no heat shrink! And the imported tool does not come in the kit - there is nothing to steal! :)
          2. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 26 November 2015 22: 29 New
            +1
            Quote: Vanya Ivanov
            We can rivet the shells for shells.

            Well, rivet.
            Quote: Vanya Ivanov
            . Investments in the project amounted to more than 3 billion rubles. The company employs more than 200 employees.

            either they laugh at you or cry.
            I hope the brains are enough to read:
            Compared to 1990, the output of metal cutting machines decreased by 11,4 times, and CNC machine tools - by 44 times. and Compared to 1990, the production of forging equipment has decreased by more than 10 times. Production of automatic lines in the 2000s almost ceased. During this period, one or two sets were produced per year.
            source: http: //institutiones.com/industry/1719-razvitie-stankoinstrumentalnoj-promyshle
            nnosti-rossii.html

            By the beginning of the 90s, the USSR machine-tool fleet totaled more than 5,5 million units of equipment, and the annual industrial demand was about 200 thousand machines. 200 thousand machines a year !!!

            Russia's share in the global production of machine tools and forging equipment is only 0,31% (161,4 million US dollars), which is 82 times less than Japan (Japan's share in world production - 26%), compared with Germany - 59 times (share of Germany - 18%).
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        8. Vladimir Lipov
          Vladimir Lipov 26 November 2015 18: 15 New
          -2
          Article minus. Onishchenko correctly says that buying Turkish we finance those who, in the dreams of the Neo-Ottoman Empire, buy weapons that bring down our aircraft. Buy your own, relax with us and we will have more of the same calibers.
          1. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 26 November 2015 22: 33 New
            +3
            Quote: Vladimir Lipov
            Article minus.

            he left, but the smell remained
        9. vladimir_krm
          vladimir_krm 26 November 2015 20: 16 New
          -1
          Another proverbial article from the military industrial complex named after Ashurbeyli :) I will not argue about the facts, especially the fact that you can’t find it in the open press, and how the author knows about them is unknown. Just an example. When Ukraine became independent, there were some problems with the sale of machine tools of the Kramatorsky plant to Russia. The plant produced heavy and unique machines. Well, we factory workers were sad and hungry, but that's not the point.

          As it turned out, all (all!) Of the design and technological documentation of all the machine tools developed by all the factories of the former USSR was sent to Moscow. Either in Stankoimport, or where else. And when needed, our machines quickly put into production the Ivanovo and Ryazan plants. No problem...
        10. Darkoff
          Darkoff 26 November 2015 20: 35 New
          0
          It remains the impression that the meaning of the article is in the advertisement of the machine of a particular model, which must be ordered in Kiev belay
          There are no such uniquely universal things in this market as the author tried to present to us. Whoever needs it - I will bring from the Czech Republic as much as you want.
          Verkhneturinsky a year ago in Germany planned to buy technology modules for shells. The technology with the Germans was definitely worked out, but whether the sanctions prevented them and how the work ended was not interested. I will raise this topic.
      2. MIKHAN
        MIKHAN 26 November 2015 14: 36 New
        +7
        The nagging began ... and counting how many senior citizens would have been able to save if ... Everything has been familiar since the 90s! bully
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        2. i80186
          i80186 26 November 2015 15: 17 New
          +3
          Quote: MIKHAN
          The nagging began ... and counting how many senior citizens would have been able to save if ... Everything has been familiar since the 90s!

          I've found 55 machine tool factories.
          http://www.wiki-prom.ru/55otrasl.html
          On some do. smile
          1. anfil
            anfil 26 November 2015 16: 08 New
            +3
            This is another article. Yuri Shabalin... Here in the article "The Hungry God of War
            The production of shells in Russia can be considered over
            More details: http://vpk-news.ru/articles/27612.
            The author complains that the machine-tool factories necessary for the production of ammunition remained in Ukraine and therefore - "I thought that our shell institute, which is a backbone in its defense industry, will finally be in demand - TNITI (Tula Scientific Research Technological Institute)."
            The construction of a new production began at the factory in the spring of 2014. According to the company's management, putting this site into operation will increase the volume of finished charges from 10 tons in 2010 to 1 thousand tons in 2015. In the future, it is planned to create a separate workshop on the basis of this production site, which will allow introducing about 100 of new jobs. Today, with the launch of new production, the number of employees of the plant has increased from 500 to 1 thousand people.


            According to him, the opening of a new, fully automated production facility at the Solikamsk Ural plant will undoubtedly contribute to "implementing the instructions of the President of Russia - to have modern ammunition for new weapons systems."

            The construction of a new production began at the factory in the spring of 2014. According to the company's management, putting this site into operation will increase the volume of finished charges from 10 tons in 2010 to 1 thousand tons in 2015. In the future, it is planned to create a separate workshop on the basis of this production site, which will allow introducing about 100 of new jobs. Today, with the launch of new production, the number of employees of the plant has increased from 500 to 1 thousand people.

            About everything was gone:
            The Ural Solikamsk plant (Perm Territory), part of the Techmash concern, has launched a new production of artillery charges for the Dinar, Mango and Coalition ammunition of promising Russian armored vehicles.

            An example of the unique cooperation of science and production represented by NIIPM and the Solikamsk plant Ural. More than 41 million rubles were invested in the construction of this production site, while the total investment in the project reached 110 million rubles. Now the facility is equipped with modern equipment for the full production cycle, starting from the stage of processing of powder crumbs and ending with the formation of ready-made charges.

            In 2014, eleven ammunition and special chemical industries were commissioned in Russia. This was announced on June 4 to reporters by Vladimir Gutenev, vice president of the Union of Russian Engineering Engineers.

            “At the enterprises of the industry of ammunition and special chemicals, significant orders have appeared for the development and production of new gunpowders, ballistic and mixed solid rocket fuels for new and existing models of weapons and military equipment. Technical re-equipment of production is being carried out, ”said Vladimir Gutenev.
            1. Vanya Ivanov
              Vanya Ivanov 26 November 2015 16: 52 New
              -1
              I wrote a review in the commentary above on opening machine-tool production over the past couple of months. The main message of this is- DO NOT WAIT!
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    2. meriem1
      meriem1 26 November 2015 14: 40 New
      +3
      Quote: Seryoga0629
      This is Russia! everything is stupid and unpredictable

      Think everything is gone ??? Do not wait !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    3. Gomunkul
      Gomunkul 26 November 2015 14: 42 New
      0
      This is Russia! everything is stupid and unpredictable
      After 2019, the Ukraine project will cease to exist. Smart and predictable. wink laughing
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    5. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov 26 November 2015 14: 44 New
      +3
      I look at our managers, who are still responsible for the production of artillery shells, for cockroaches in my head, how you can make plans for the production of new types of shells without thinking about the means of producing these shells, and to produce shells for your guns and tanks anywhere abroad is in my opinion a completely stupid undertaking that has nothing to do with common sense.
      1. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 26 November 2015 22: 46 New
        +1
        Quote: Denis Obukhov
        and to produce shells for their guns and tanks anywhere abroad is, in my opinion, a completely stupid undertaking that has nothing to do with common sense.

        So it has long been clear that the country's leadership is not at ease.
        Managery suddenly thought that if you allocate money, then the shells will be hatched directly from the bills.
        The minister of all ministers didn’t, like, light up,
        krasvchekhhhh, pah, damn it
    6. dmi.pris
      dmi.pris 26 November 2015 14: 48 New
      0
      Serega0629, and what is the State Emblem of blue color for you? ... But it’s silly and unpredictable, it’s more likely not with us (although there is enough of everything in Russia), but to the west of Belgorod and Donetsk ..
      Quote: Seryoga0629
      This is Russia! everything is stupid and unpredictable
    7. Juborg
      Juborg 26 November 2015 14: 59 New
      +5
      Guys, why are we indignant, Tula does not work. A shell project for a penny sold to the Indians! What will we shoot? I guess ANUSES !!!
      I apologize for being rude!
      1. Gomunkul
        Gomunkul 26 November 2015 15: 20 New
        +2
        What will we shoot?
        Found information for 2014:
        SOLIKAMSK / Perm Territory /, June 4. / TASS /. Eleven ammunition and special chemical industries were commissioned in Russia in 2014. This was announced on June 4 to journalists by the first deputy chairman of the State Duma Committee on Industry, vice-president of the Union of Russian Engineering, Vladimir Gutenev.
        "At the enterprises of the ammunition and special chemistry industry, significant orders have appeared for the development and production of new propellants, ballistic and composite solid rocket fuels for new and existing models of weapons and military equipment. Technical re-equipment of production facilities is underway," Gutenev said.
        He recalled that in terms of the growth rate of production, defense enterprises are significantly ahead of the performance of civilian sectors and, according to the results of 2014, amounted to: in the electronic industry 24%; in the aviation industry - 17,1%; in the shipbuilding industry - almost 15%; in the industry of ammunition and special chemicals - 13%; rocket and space industry - 8,5%
        “The opening of a new production in the military-industrial complex is always pleasing. This joy is doubly when production capabilities increase in the ammunition industry. We have worked hard to bring it out of critical condition. Ammunition has, in fact, survived for a long time in the absence of a state defense order. Today we see that our efforts were not in vain. The industry is entering a phase of development and growth, "Gutenev said.
        According to him, the opening of a new, fully automated production facility at the Ural plant in Solikamsk will certainly contribute to "the implementation of the instructions of Russian President Vladimir Putin to have modern ammunition for new weapons systems."
        The Ural plant, which is part of the Tekhmash concern, has launched a new production of artillery charges for the Dinar, Mango and Coalition ammunition for promising Russian armored vehicles.
        1. Vanya Ivanov
          Vanya Ivanov 26 November 2015 17: 00 New
          -2
          The article is not about anything. New ammunition is being developed and factories for their production are being opened.
          Not only that, the powder that we made on the basis of cotton, now we have learned to make on the basis of flax, with which we have no problems in Russia. And the author demands that the Ukrainians buy old machines for stamping old (not promising) ammunition when we have already built or are under construction new machine tool factories producing CNC machines.
          1. Dryulea
            Dryulea 26 November 2015 21: 26 New
            +1
            Smolensk region at that time was famous for its production and processing of flax. And now something I do not observe this at all. In Smolensk, another shopping center was made from a flax mill (after the liberation in September 43, the first enterprise that was restored). And yes, it worked periodically (if it worked), then on Dutch flax (there is no flax of its own at all)
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      3. anfil
        anfil 26 November 2015 16: 15 New
        0
        Quote: juborg
        Guys, why are we indignant, Tula does not work. A shell project for a penny sold to the Indians! What will we shoot? I guess ANUSES !!!
        I apologize for being rude!


        To prevent the shooter from turning out, follow the link:http://www.sdelanounas.ru/blogs/63320/ maybe there will help your trouble.
        "Solikamsk Plant has launched the production of ammunition charges for advanced armored vehicles."
  2. Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 26 November 2015 14: 30 New
    16
    Does the author know how much one "Caliber" costs?
    One volley of 26 "Caliber" from the Caspian in Syria cost 10 billion rubles
    One is worth $ 6.5 million fool
    1. SAM 5
      SAM 5 26 November 2015 14: 35 New
      +2
      Does the author know how much one "Caliber" costs?

      Well, he writes, he probably knows.
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 26 November 2015 14: 42 New
        0
        Quote: SAM 5
        Well, he writes, he probably knows.

        Eprst, do you really think so?
      2. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 26 November 2015 14: 48 New
        +3
        Quote: SAM 5
        probably knows.

        Here I sit and think: 26 * 6.5 is equal to $ 156 million * 63 ($ to ruble exchange rate) is .... repeat Damn, and the author is right. request My apologies.
        1. Vladimirets
          Vladimirets 26 November 2015 14: 51 New
          +2
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Here I sit and think: 26 * 6.5 is equal to $ 156 million * 63 ($ to ruble exchange rate) is .... Damn, the author is right.

          The question is, 6,5mln is the EXPORT price.
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 26 November 2015 15: 05 New
            0
            Quote: Vladimirets
            The question is, 6,5mln is the EXPORT price.

            Well, I don’t know, I don’t know. Cars, tractors, machine tools sell for export a little more expensive,% by 10-15. I think rockets are no exception.
            1. Vladimirets
              Vladimirets 26 November 2015 15: 20 New
              0
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              Cars, tractors, machine tools sell for export a little more expensive,% by 10-15.

              Still, another competitive environment, although xs. request
          2. Sober
            Sober 26 November 2015 15: 20 New
            +1
            Quote: Vladimirets
            The question is, 6,5mln is the EXPORT price.

            They were sent for export. Sorry for the pun.
          3. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 26 November 2015 23: 18 New
            +3
            Quote: Vladimirets
            The question is, 6,5mln is the EXPORT price.

            I’ll tell you a secret that in the Russian Federation the closing price for the budget is often higher than the export one.
            You will probably guess the reasons for this phenomenon.
    2. kagorta
      kagorta 26 November 2015 14: 38 New
      0
      Is this the selling price for export? Or the purchase price from our budget?
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      2. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 26 November 2015 14: 55 New
        0
        Quote: kagorta
        Is this the selling price for export?

        Hindus sold for 6.5 million dollars. Our are silent. request
        1. kagorta
          kagorta 26 November 2015 15: 53 New
          0
          Then you can’t count at this price, our budget is not Indian laughing
    3. Vanya Ivanov
      Vanya Ivanov 26 November 2015 17: 03 New
      -1
      no. This is the price of an export rocket for sale abroad. For its price, it will be an order of magnitude lower.
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  4. GUKTU
    GUKTU 26 November 2015 14: 33 New
    16
    But GDP opened the Yeltsin Museum in the Urals. Probably in memory of the bona fide collapse of industry
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 26 November 2015 14: 37 New
      +7
      Quote: GUKTU
      But GDP opened the Yeltsin Museum in the Urals.

      Damn, we got it with this museum. No.
      1. edmed
        edmed 26 November 2015 14: 56 New
        +6
        Yes, of course, you think, the museum was opened for Tsar Boriska the Drunk for 7 from the treasury, for how much will the museum for nanoChubais "2 Volga" be opened?
      2. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 26 November 2015 15: 00 New
        +8
        Quote: Vladimirets
        Damn, we got it with this museum.

        And they got it right away, DAM Yeltsin so licked that he probably had an erection in his coffin. True, GDP was more modest, but I liked the audience more, all as one Gussians.
        The whole country knows that Yeltsin along with Gorbachev are enemies, but nevertheless they are building the centers posthumously, they give the second order to the government. What is the truth, brother? wink
        1. Vladimirets
          Vladimirets 26 November 2015 15: 16 New
          +1
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          What is the truth, brother?

          Yes, that’s right, that’s all, only into the business and not the business. As with Vasilyeva, no matter how problematic the article, someone will remember the stools. yes
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    2. MIKHAN
      MIKHAN 26 November 2015 14: 38 New
      +7
      Quote: GUKTU
      But GDP opened the Yeltsin Museum in the Urals. Probably in memory of the bona fide collapse of industry

      Plyuvok counted ... hi
      1. Massik
        Massik 26 November 2015 14: 54 New
        +2
        Quote: Vladimirets
        Quote: GUKTU
        But GDP opened the Yeltsin Museum in the Urals.

        Damn, we got it with this museum. No.
        Judged by deeds, not by conversations.
    3. ultra
      ultra 26 November 2015 15: 07 New
      +7
      He would not have a museum, but an aspen stake in the coffin! I apologize for the harshness.
  5. venaya
    venaya 26 November 2015 14: 33 New
    +3
    Yes, the described situation is even worse than it was possible to imagine. And where did the deputies look and are watching, approving the next budget of the country?
    1. KBR109
      KBR109 26 November 2015 16: 08 New
      +1
      Well duck "The State Duma is not a place for discussion." Have you forgotten? wassat I start to worry sometimes - they will not lick the anus that lies up to the intestines and further - how will the poor people go to the toilet with their sphincter mucous cleaned up ???
  6. extremall
    extremall 26 November 2015 14: 35 New
    +3
    This is how the author counted 10 billion for 26 "calibers"? The method of calculation in the manual did not take otherwise)) I'm not saying that this "product" is very perishable, and recycling is not free, to put it mildly. And then there was a great opportunity to “dispose of it according to its intended purpose. Not to mention the geopolitical dividends of this single salvo.” Then it was not even interesting to read.
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 26 November 2015 15: 01 New
      +2
      Quote: extremall
      ... And here is a great opportunity to "dispose of as intended.

      Gauges are the latest missiles, and there’s enough junk for disposal in warehouses.
      1. Corsair
        Corsair 26 November 2015 15: 25 New
        0
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        Gauges are the latest missiles, and there’s enough junk for disposal in warehouses.

        belay 83-93 years of development is much newer ... or are you aware of the factory release?
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 26 November 2015 16: 04 New
          +1
          Quote: Corsair
          83-93 years of development is much newer ... or are you aware of the factory release?

          We have almost all the "latest" developments come from the 80s. That the Ka-52, Mi-28n, not to mention the SU-35. The models are the same, the filling is new. hi
  7. afdjhbn67
    afdjhbn67 26 November 2015 14: 35 New
    +7
    It seems that the raider war is for the Tula institute, the third article on this subject in my opinion ... the only promise is that there will be no institute all Armata without shells, it will remain ... it’s strange they just have to write to the prosecutor’s office if there are facts, and not tears pouring on the Internet. .
    1. 16112014nk
      16112014nk 26 November 2015 14: 51 New
      +2
      Rotenberg probably wants a mall or a mall instead of TNITI.
    2. Ruslan
      Ruslan 26 November 2015 15: 02 New
      0
      Well, how will the prosecutor's office help? require the government to give money to the institute? when a governing state institution destroys industry, another state institution subordinate to it is powerless.
    3. anfil
      anfil 26 November 2015 16: 34 New
      0
      Quote: afdjhbn67
      It seems that the raider war is for the Tula institute, the third article on this subject in my opinion ... the only promise is that there will be no institute all Armata without shells, it will remain ... it’s strange they just have to write to the prosecutor’s office if there are facts, and not tears pouring on the Internet. .


      In the original article of this candidate of those. Shabalina Yu.
      Whatever article is all gone, everything is bad, here is from his opuses: -“We can congratulate UVZ, which created such a tank as Armata, but in today's circumstances it would be better in Nizhny Tagil to focus their efforts on the production of T-90s, making as many of them as possible. The situation in the country and the world is such that before serial production“ Armat "hands may not reach."
      It’s not only the government that has gotten a bit of liberality in our country, scribbled articles that everything is bad, of course, is easier than publishing scientific papers.
  8. Tor5
    Tor5 26 November 2015 14: 35 New
    +2
    Of course, we need to restore production at home! The example of Turkey shows that today's "friend" may turn out to be an enemy tomorrow.
  9. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 26 November 2015 14: 37 New
    +3
    Money must be sought not from ISIS Calibrov issued by the militants, but from other sources! At this stage, problems come out one after another in the country. And the government begins to engage in plugging holes. And the production of promising shells can wait a bit. Massive tank battles are not foreseen now. But the release of the Caliber is simply needed like air. There they work tirelessly in 3 shifts.
    1. Sober
      Sober 26 November 2015 15: 25 New
      0
      Quote: dchegrinec
      But the issue of Caliber is simply needed as air.

      All right! And then we will fall asleep all with emotions.
  10. Not served
    Not served 26 November 2015 14: 38 New
    +4
    By the way, the production of artillery steel and brass shells also remained at the only factory - Orsk Mechanical.

    As I understand it, this is precisely the plant that was evacuated from Tula during the Second World War together with the workers. My grandfather was also evacuated with him, then he was 16 years old and graduated from FZU to a grinder. He worked on grinding poins for broaching sleeves. I remember asking him and were they mechanical? Nope, tame. How to get the correct ellipse, which was then checked with a caliber, I don’t understand.
    Many Tulaks there are buried, it was very hungry, they worked in the open air.
  11. Horly
    Horly 26 November 2015 14: 41 New
    +2
    The lack of development of machine tool building (in general) is a systemic problem, and not only of machine tools for making shells. In the conditions of "defective managers", there will be no solution to this problem - machine tool building requires long-term investments, and our hucksters need everything at once, that is, it is easier to buy abroad. Taking into account the fact that Soviet machines are still in full operation in production (many are half a century or more), and new ones are not purchased due to their high cost, and not only the machines themselves, but also their maintenance, it turns out to be a complete dead end ...
    1. Vanya Ivanov
      Vanya Ivanov 26 November 2015 17: 08 New
      -1
      read how everything is awful in our machine tool industry http://www.sdelanounas.ru/blogs/?search= machine tool&page=1
      and do not write this anymore ....
  12. alexander1
    alexander1 26 November 2015 14: 41 New
    +1
    One salvo of 26 “Caliber” from the Caspian in Syria cost 10 billion rubles.
    I've already read it somewhere! Some kind of "liberals"!
    15 million dollars per rocket? Where are these prices? In my opinion, a light fighter like MiG-29 costs the Russian army not much more expensive!) MiG-35 costs 1,3 billion rubles = 20 million bucks!
    If we are bred so at the beginning of the article, then you can not read the article!
  13. question
    question 26 November 2015 14: 43 New
    +1
    Like 152mm for Almaty perspective (whether it will be, or not)?
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 26 November 2015 15: 26 New
      +1
      You have correctly noticed.
      The problems of this plant are completely unrelated to Armata,
      which shoots 125 mm shells.
  14. hartlend
    hartlend 26 November 2015 14: 46 New
    +2
    Why with an eye on Kiev? They still can’t buy from them, they will throw them for money.
  15. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 26 November 2015 14: 49 New
    +2
    I think not everything is as deplorable as the author provides, the Defense Ministry probably knows the problems and achievements of our military-industrial complex, it is unlikely that the army will be left without 152-mm shells, and especially shells for Almaty
  16. gop
    gop 26 November 2015 14: 49 New
    +1
    fecc article (1 machine in a museum on the outskirts, there are no museums))
  17. Sergey-8848
    Sergey-8848 26 November 2015 14: 54 New
    0
    Orsk engineering and mechanical are different factories, and their focus was slightly different. In the article they are summarized in one. The machine-building plant was evacuated from Dnepropetrovsk (former plant No. 79) and the mechanical plant from Tula. Both with extraordinary efforts resumed work at new industrial sites as early as 1941.
    They are also confused on Wikipedia (and this is good).
  18. Massik
    Massik 26 November 2015 14: 57 New
    +1
    An article about the cost of various types of weapons and ammunition is long overdue on the site, so that some understand that the use of any weapon not only brings the desired effect, but also costs a pretty penny.
  19. lopvlad
    lopvlad 26 November 2015 15: 01 New
    -2
    Tula Research Institute of Technology (TNITI) is in a deplorable position

    tired of this "Yaroslavna's cry" about the difficult fate of TNITI, which has been going on for more than a year.
  20. Alexey Lesogor
    Alexey Lesogor 26 November 2015 15: 01 New
    0
    I see everyone knows the performance characteristics of "Armata" and all its "stuffing" bully
    1. realdiamond
      realdiamond 26 November 2015 15: 18 New
      +1
      I'm certainly not a warrior, but the article is about 152mm. In Armata, the pipe is more modest. Why then was the article a draft about calibers?
  21. minus
    minus 26 November 2015 15: 03 New
    0
    Buy ka-500 machines from Kiev ??? Not a penny to Kiev, like Europe !!! We need to develop our machine tool industry !!! For that matter, agree with China. There now the equipment is not inferior to the European ...
  22. veksha50
    veksha50 26 November 2015 15: 05 New
    +7
    "And is it not strange to create shell production in India, leaving your own in neglect?"...


    Hmm ... The problems of TNITI here, in VO are not raised for the first time ...
    Well, well (or rather, not good), the State Planning Commission rested in a Bose, etc., etc. But, say, the General Staff and the GRAU remained, who should be aware of the situation with shells - this is their holy duty ...

    If the people who write about the problems of TNITI are right, then splashing this pain onto the VO pages is an exhaust for nothing ... Well, we all condole, scolding Vedmed and Putin, but then what ???

    If the writers consider themselves patriots, they should not sound all the bells, but try to reach out to the President of the country (well, not to the prime minister, who doesn’t care) ... Our governor (of the Tula region) showed himself to be a sane person (after arrested redhead), he is a protege of the president and comes in to him .... So hit-push through Gruzdev !!! There is the Internet and a public reception of the president ... Press hard if you feel right ...
    At worst (this is not a way out) - write to the Russian newspaper, after all, it is a government body ...

    And so ... Everything was lost, and a transdean ... Consider yourself a patriot and a fighter - so be it !!!
    Personally, my snot and condolences, as a forum member, will not help you ...
  23. Engineer
    Engineer 26 November 2015 15: 06 New
    +1
    One salvo from the Caspian ... maybe the author will still calculate somehow how much the entire operation in Syria is worth and say that it would be better if this money was spent differently, as the author considers it necessary .. liberal.
  24. SCHNIFER
    SCHNIFER 26 November 2015 15: 10 New
    +2
    For the article I will gladly give +100500. What I want to note: KZSA will not sell us anything else, there is no need to harbor illusions. The production of multi-spindle semiautomatic devices and automatic machines for processing the OFS-152 cases needs to be established at the MSZIO. I believe that the universal KA-500 should be replaced by domestic specialized and special machines, more suitable for large-scale and mass production.
  25. renics
    renics 26 November 2015 15: 15 New
    0
    And for what it is necessary to publish this article here, maybe the author wants to offer readers who will reset as much as they can, in order to rectify this situation. In place to send these studies to the government and the State Duma for discussion.
  26. Ivan65
    Ivan65 26 November 2015 15: 27 New
    +1
    Snot, condolences and waving cowards will not help.
    Cap-hopping will not help either.
    Fussy optimistic - we will not break through too.

    But the understanding that the machine tool industry needs blood from the nose gradually comes to minds. But until it comes, there will be no more industrial complexes bought.

    There is no desire to blacken black. But until the situation with the production of means of production does not change in a positive direction, Russia will not become great. Investments in the domestic machine tool industry come at least ten years before the start of the rise of the general scientific and industrial rise of any state. Or you have to buy everything from the side of equipment, spare parts, components, software, consumables, or what they are doing now - they are looking for where someone on the side will make everything for us and cheaper than ours. We do not want to move our brains, we will develop the thought process in other nations. It remains to hire those that for us someone chewed food. Indeed, now we can’t even make chisels with files. Therefore, it is time to pull the machine tool industry out of shit, and not to indulge like Rogozin about the burning eyes of young guys in military factories. People with burning eyes did so much harm to the country ... that any nuclear war would seem like child's play ....
  27. sa-zz
    sa-zz 26 November 2015 15: 30 New
    0
    One volley of 26 "Caliber" from the Caspian in Syria cost 10 billion rubles

    One Caliber is not worth 6 million green (this is 4 tamahawks).
    Incorrect information negated the meaning of the whole article.
    What can I say - write to the prosecutor’s office and Shoigu (he’s a business man), if the situation is true, there will be actions, because GDP is definitely listening to him.
  28. opus
    opus 26 November 2015 15: 31 New
    0
    Quote: Author
    One salvo of 26 “Caliber” from the Caspian in Syria cost 10 billion rubles.

    Well, already bent.
    10: 000 = 000rub (/ 000,00 p / $) = $ 26 almost 385 million rubles / pcs.belay
    For your information:
    1. Average cost of one "Tomahawk" mod. IV under the last two contracts of the company "Raytheon" with the US Navy amounted to $ 1,22 million

    / let it be more expensive, but not 5 times the same)
    2. The cost of the KR 3M-14E "Turquoise" abroad (there is reliable data on a contract concluded in 2006 worth $ 182 million for 28 missiles for the Indian Navy (diesel-electric submarines pr. 877EKM), 24 of which were delivered in 2008)
    Noteworthy is the high cost of one rocket - $ 6,5 million ...?
    But supplied not ONLY rockets
    3. The cost of launch (launch and not TR) of 1 piece 9M723-1 of the 9K720 Iskander-M complex is 108 rubles.
    And 9M723-1 structurally and in terms of material costs will be more expensive than ZM-14






    Maybe the author calculated the cost of 1 CR for all fuel and other fuel and lubricants that the Caspian ships consumed, and even the monetary allowance of the crew? lol
  29. mpzss
    mpzss 26 November 2015 15: 33 New
    -1
    I wonder why the author indicates a specific machine KA-500, we have that nothing like that !? Let not drive! I don’t understand the brands of machines, but I’ll say that there are ours, domestic machines with and without CNC, no worse than this notorious KA-500!
    Sounds like a simple buzz due to one business!
    Yes, we also had a TochMash plant in our city, there were Japanese CNC machines and a lot of other valuable equipment, but in the early 90s everything was stolen (the machines were 88 and 89 years old), so what? We must not look into the past, what happened, but think about how to restore everything back! And do everything by Russian manufacturers! And then you see what is happening, the fraternal country has betrayed!
    1. opus
      opus 26 November 2015 17: 13 New
      +2
      Quote: mpzss
      that there are ours, domestic machines with and without CNC, no worse than this notorious KA-500!

      The four-spindle automatic machine KA-500 is a work of the Soviet defense industry (Kiev SPO named after Gorky and TNITI)
      TNITI in the 90s could not master only the spindle. The EBN team did not help, and then completely pushed
      and what Kiev machine tool builders do (did) it ... it just so happened.

      KA-500 provided the best shell technology than anywhere else in the world, he was the pinnacle of shell production. And today, 15 years after his birth, neither in the West nor in the East there is neither a similar machine, nor technology.

      to process the housing OFS-152 in the existing production requires 23 min. and 9 operations (but this is the best, and in other plants up to 1 hour and 23 operations!), and on the KA-500 - 8 minutes. and 3 operations. (MACHINE !!!)

      In 1991, we came out on the first place in the world in the mass production of 1 mm shells, with the KA-152 we went in isolation from all the shell countries.
      A workshop was built at Novosibirsk Sibselmash, in which 34 KA-500 machines were planned to be placed. And that would be automated production with a capacity of 1 million products per year.


      Quote: mpzss
      Yes, we also had a TochMash plant in our city, there were Japanese CNC machines and a lot of other valuable equipment,

      in 1996-1999 all Russian plants produced 100 CNC machines per year, 167 times less than in 1989
      TNITI for 2001-2002 made 16 pieces.

      Chelyabinsk Machine-Tool Plant named after S. Ordzhonikidze, produced up to 1500 turning machines 1K62 (16K20) per year under the USSR.
      Quote: mpzss
      And do everything with Russian manufacturers!

      single spindle multi-support KM-817 and KM-816 and Tula TM with CNC.
      Productivity is 4 times lower, quality is worse ..
    2. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 26 November 2015 23: 42 New
      +3
      Quote: mpzss
      I do not understand the brands of machines, but I will say

      Well, it's generally beyond!
      Where do you come from? request
      Sharikov smokes .....
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  30. kapitan281271
    kapitan281271 26 November 2015 15: 34 New
    +1
    Yes, everything will be fine, now the super-mega-food primer Dvorkovich will take the suitcases out of Egypt and how to launch the production together with the super-mega-minister of industry Deni Manturov, you look there and the super-mega-primer of the bears will finally figure out where to move the clock hands and how to connect to them. Here they are lumps of managerial art wherever there are all sorts of SLAVSKY and KOSYGIN, and STOLYPIN in front of these bridges is so simple a boy.
  31. bad
    bad 26 November 2015 15: 36 New
    0
    Quote: veksha50
    "And is it not strange to create shell production in India, leaving your own in neglect?"...


    Hmm ... The problems of TNITI here, in VO are not raised for the first time ...
    Well, well (or rather, not good), the State Planning Commission rested in a Bose, etc., etc. But, say, the General Staff and the GRAU remained, who should be aware of the situation with shells - this is their holy duty ...

    If the people who write about the problems of TNITI are right, then splashing this pain onto the VO pages is an exhaust for nothing ... Well, we all condole, scolding Vedmed and Putin, but then what ???

    If the writers consider themselves patriots, they should not sound all the bells, but try to reach out to the President of the country (well, not to the prime minister, who doesn’t care) ... Our governor (of the Tula region) showed himself to be a sane person (after arrested redhead), he is a protege of the president and comes in to him .... So hit-push through Gruzdev !!! There is the Internet and a public reception of the president ... Press hard if you feel right ...
    At worst (this is not a way out) - write to the Russian newspaper, after all, it is a government body ...

    And so ... Everything was lost, and a transdean ... Consider yourself a patriot and a fighter - so be it !!!
    Personally, my snot and condolences, as a forum member, will not help you ...
    I join + .. IN is not a vest and is not the last resort .. such an article was already here last month if I am not mistaken ..
  32. SCHNIFER
    SCHNIFER 26 November 2015 15: 46 New
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    In fact, a crucial problem has been raised. It is worth recalling the scandal with precision milling machines TOSHIBA Kikai, used to mill the propellers of Soviet submarines ...
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  34. marlin1203
    marlin1203 26 November 2015 15: 57 New
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    26 missiles - 10 billion rubles? Is that 384 million rubles for a rocket? "Nichosi" !!!
  35. Yun Klob
    Yun Klob 26 November 2015 17: 00 New
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    The article is defeatist. Armata is quite capable of crushing the enemy with caterpillars.
  36. NeRTT
    NeRTT 26 November 2015 17: 14 New
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    It is necessary to develop our own production of shells, and not to shift Macli onto Indians !! The 5th column does not sleep .... bully
  37. gammipapa
    gammipapa 26 November 2015 18: 01 New
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    Somehow the comrade gives out a lot of information and the cities, then everything and the factories are listed and the alignment of all matters. In Soviet times, this would be the last article. Chatterbox is a find for the spy. Do not worry so much for those who need shells that moves and appeal to the voice of the people in this matter is somehow silly. Let's hold a rally - give more good shells.
  38. Sars
    Sars 26 November 2015 18: 03 New
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    The author misled the audience with the KA-500 machines. Universal CNC machines are needed for piece, at least small-scale production. And if you need to make a million identical products, a universal machine with "brains" money down the drain - the most simple, high-performance, cheap equipment is enough.
  39. rubidiy
    rubidiy 26 November 2015 19: 49 New
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    honestly, I do not have the opportunity to assess the soundness of the proposals made. This requires special knowledge, but I support the general idea. We have a lag in anti-tank shells, and so fundamental. It is important that all guns, and not just the latest tanks, are guaranteed to hit enemy MBTs. And the muzzle energy of guns cannot be constantly increased.
  40. Shilochnik
    Shilochnik 26 November 2015 20: 20 New
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    I'm on the drum, what is the price of Caliber. I only pay income tax 20 tr. And I would like for pensioners to live on these drops and make rockets! But, not a museum of the country cursed by Yeltsin!
  41. 23424636
    23424636 26 November 2015 20: 38 New
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    the author writes about the Kiev machine-tool factory and the Moscow named after Ordzhonikidze, but they haven’t been around for a long time. As for the ka-500, it’s quite possible to launch it by stealing it or by buying technology and drawings from the still living designers of this machine.
  42. Zomanus
    Zomanus 27 November 2015 06: 06 New
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    Article sucks. This "Yaroslavna's cry" would still have worked in 2010.
    Now, I think, shells are made and all the rules,
    only the author forgot to say this.
    And I agree to the account of vocational education.
    It’s not only young people who need to learn,
    but letting the office plankton, like me, relearn it.
    And then I decided to see where in Vladivostok there are courses of electricians or weakness.
    So only the school and that day education.
    And what for I need it, when I have a chemical tower.
    And I have been an electrician and electronics since childhood as a hobby.
  43. Army soldier2
    Army soldier2 27 November 2015 09: 18 New
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    Quote: pilot8878
    Hooked on ONE wrong phrase and skip everything else. After all, the article, PMSM, is well thought out: even the models and the number of necessary machines have been calculated. It probably makes sense to consider the merits.

    Dear Pilot8878! I can not agree with you. Suggestions of the author of the article are more like nonsense. Count yourself. How many guns of the Russian Federation 152 mm caliber? And the author suggests producing 1 million shells per year? Is this normal if we accept that the shelf life of such a projectile is not less than 30 years? I would understand if the author suggested creating mobilization capacities for the production of such shells in such numbers in wartime.
    And the state of enterprises in the industry of ammunition and special chemistry is not as terrible as the author describes. And, of course, modern weapons systems cannot be made on the knee. By the way, there is a federal target program for the development of defense industry enterprises, which is being successfully implemented.
    Probably, the author is an indifferent person, a wonderful designer (or engineer) in the field of CNC machines. Good luck to him in his profession!