Saved navigator Su-24: "there were no warnings"

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The navigator of the Su-24 bomber shot down by the Turks, Konstantin Murakhtin, told reporters about the attack on the plane and said that there were no warnings from the Turkish side, reports RIA News.

Saved navigator Su-24: "there were no warnings"


“In fact, there were no warnings. Neither by radio nor visually. There was no contact at all. Therefore, we went to the combat course in the normal mode. You need to understand what the speed of the bomber, and what - at the fighter F16. If we wanted to warn us, we could show ourselves by standing on a parallel course. And there was nothing. Yes, and the rocket came to the tail of our aircraft suddenly. We didn’t even see it visually in order to have time to make an anti-missile maneuver. ”


Recall Su-24 was shot down on Tuesday. The Turkish side claims that the Su-24 aircraft violated the country's air border and the F-16 pilots, before releasing the missile, were warned several times by the Russian crew about a possible attack.
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  1. +106
    25 November 2015 18: 26
    I didn’t even doubt that a provocation is a provocation, they made meanness and thought there would be no witnesses, but then figs to you
    1. +50
      25 November 2015 18: 27
      But what about 10 warnings in 8 seconds? They lie, the Janissaries are bad.
      1. +72
        25 November 2015 18: 30
        It was planned! Yesterday One honored pilot explained the term "air ambush" and said that it was it!
        Today, the main witness confirms!
        Also, there is already evidence that the Turkish Air Force has long collected data on our routes and flight times. And at this time their samzik ​​always paced, waiting for the moment!
        Death - HERdognide!
        1. +89
          25 November 2015 18: 32
          In order to prevent such a conversation, the Turks placed the militants in the "right" place.
          Both terrorists and "journalists" found themselves in the "right" place "by chance"
          filming the joy of these freaks.
          Turks are not just supporters of terrorists.
          Turks are the organizers of this outrage.
          1. +5
            25 November 2015 18: 42
            I am interested in the question of how to ensure a sufficient termination of fighters! ?
            1. +14
              25 November 2015 19: 11
              I think the action was planned and prepared
              only at the request of the CIA, I won’t be surprised if American pilots sat at the helm
              1. +24
                25 November 2015 19: 55
                From the text of the article
                Saved navigator Su-24: "there were no warnings"

                This is to be expected. It is good that the saved navigator is alive and can testify to this in court.
                Erdogan is a high-ranking Turkish raider-bandit, and his methods are gangster. Namely.
                Erdogan, using his official position in Turkey, personally, with the excess of authority on behalf of Turkey, entered the war with Russia in defense of his personal oil raider business in Syria with the participation of the ISIS gangs hired by him for this.
                Erdogan not only used his official position in Turkey for his own selfish purposes, but also decided to personally put NATO at its service! Cover personally yourself and your personal interests with the “umbrella” of NATO for Turkey!
                Erdogan personally exposed himself as a war criminal in the ranks of NATO!
                On Erdogan ISIS crimes.
                Erdogan under the COURT!
                1. +7
                  25 November 2015 20: 36
                  Quote: Tatiana
                  It is good that the saved navigator is alive and can testify to this in court.


                  Tatyana !!! I am with two arms and legs for your conclusion!

                  However, the testimonies of the surviving navigator are important only for us, the people, for the leadership of the country and Her Supreme Court !!!

                  For the same international court, this testimony is zero without a wand ... Unfortunately ...

                  Putin directly accused Turkey of supporting terrorism in general, and in particular of IS. From here such dances started - Erdogan wants to create a situation in which he can push Russia against the United States (NATO) ...

                  Remember the film "Prisoner of the Caucasus", when the hero of Mkrtchyan says to the hero of Etush: "Do not confuse your personal pocket with the state one"?
                  So, now this is about the situation ... Although NATO did not express condolences over the deaths of our people (not only the commander of the Su-24 crew, but also the marine from the revenue group of our pilots) - to hell with them !!! However, in defense of Turkey they haven’t taken special steps yet ... I don’t know, maybe I missed something during this time ...

                  I just hope that our Security Council will find a competent solution, such that at Erdogan and his camarilla the land will burn underfoot ...

                  It seems to me that the first steps have already been taken ... Both Turkish businessmen and ordinary people will soon say "many thanks" to Erdogan ...
                  1. +8
                    25 November 2015 20: 53
                    I agree! But given the domestic political graters in Turkey, the idea that Erdogan was stupidly set up by his own does not leave me. He wanted to sit on two chairs and to be friends with Russia with his radicals. Yes, and receive loot for oil igilovskaya. Therefore, when he was informed that our plane was blocked, with a fright and darted into NATO, he probably understands that there might be a specific answer. This, in my opinion, is a slap in the face of Putin.
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                    2. +8
                      25 November 2015 21: 16
                      veksha50 (1)
                      I just hope that our Security Council will find a competent solution, such that at Erdogan and his camarilla the land will burn underfoot ...

                      However, war by war, but also peaceful legal norms should be more widely used against the predatory war in Syria. It is also a very powerful moral weapon against war.
                      Russia needs to develop its information initiative in the field of criminal exposure of Erdogan as quickly and as widely as possible and at the same time involve the legal aspect of international law. This will be a serious legal blow to the colonial militarists in general.
                      And since the Russian Federation came out on the side of Assad, it should be consistent in this regard in all respects - and in bringing to court specific criminal government personnel of the aggressor countries, too. Moreover, it is very important that these criminal personalities lead entire states in hot regions.
                      It is necessary to end the lawlessness of the “new world order” in hot spots in all respects.
                      1. +9
                        25 November 2015 21: 30
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        It is necessary to end the lawlessness of the “new world order” in hot spots in all respects.


                        Well, here absolutely no objection can arise ...

                        The problem is, I repeat, until we show the "muscle filling" to all international courts. - there will be little sense ...
                      2. +7
                        25 November 2015 22: 19
                        veksha50 (1)
                        The problem is, I repeat, until we show the "muscle filling" to all international courts. - there will be little sense ...

                        Everything needs to be done together. And DO it! For water does not flow under a lying stone. If you want to win the war (battle) - do not miss the initiative! Beat the first! Act diverse! Use all reasonable opportunities!
                        Legal charges against Erdogan will take time. You need to start legally now!
                        Even the fact of such an initiative against Erdogan will make many potential criminals think that his criminal acts, no matter who they provoke for him, will not go unpunished for him personally! This will stop many people from participating in crimes.
                      3. +9
                        25 November 2015 22: 37
                        dispatch to the Turks ...
                      4. wk
                        0
                        26 November 2015 04: 15
                        Quote: severniy
                        dispatch to the Turks ...

                        this is not a dispatch ... this is a provocation ... Russians should not be like Svidomo ... vandalism in their city, even if it is against a hostile embassy, ​​it is definitely an attack, violation of international law, etc. ... only pests are able to organize such a pseudo-patriotic share.
                      5. Stepan stepanovich
                        0
                        26 November 2015 06: 30
                        You are not right!
                        When the power of a snot is chewing, people can express their attitude to to Turkish partners.
                      6. 0
                        26 November 2015 07: 53
                        the people can express their attitude towards the Turkish partners by refusing to rest in this country, and our people seem to be still cultured enough so as not to become like the "lustrators" from the Maydaun ...
                      7. 0
                        27 November 2015 15: 22
                        your call is imbued with spinelessness and a cover of the so-called "politeness". Our people have the right to social protest, do not consider it a herd that lives only on orders from above (such as not to be like, etc.).
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                    3. +8
                      25 November 2015 21: 46
                      Complete ignorance of reality. Understand EVERY Turk is a nationalist.
                      1. +2
                        26 November 2015 00: 04
                        Quote: Morrrow
                        Complete ignorance of reality. Understand EVERY Turk is a nationalist.

                        Why be surprised - a kind of Ukraine, not just two years of Bandera, but two hundred years.
                    4. +4
                      25 November 2015 22: 47
                      Quote: Kazanets
                      I agree! But given the domestic political graters in Turkey, the idea that Erdogan was stupidly set up by his own does not leave me. He wanted to sit on two chairs and to be friends with Russia with his radicals. Yes, and receive loot for oil igilovskaya. Therefore, when he was informed that our plane was blocked, with a fright and darted into NATO, he probably understands that there might be a specific answer. This, in my opinion, is a slap in the face of Putin.


                      Man, it’s hit us all on the face now!
                    5. +3
                      25 November 2015 23: 56
                      Quote: Kazanets
                      This is, in my opinion, a slap in the face of Putin.

                      Erdogan mass media are shouting about "slap in the face to Putin". In my opinion, this is not a slap in the face, but, as VVP itself correctly said, "a knife in the back." A slap in the face is an open, non-veiled expression of contempt, a desire to inflict a clear insult. And here - quietly, from the back, hiding behind noble motives.

                      If the Erdogan media are screaming about a "slap in the face", then I can imagine what is happening on the censornet now! Bacchanalia, probably ... I wanted to look at this trash heap, hold a personal "five-minute hate" - they blocked it. And for the sake of the censornet, I don't even want to make any movements to get around the lock ...
                      1. 0
                        26 November 2015 11: 45
                        In general, there’s not enough nerves to go into such resources!
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                  3. +5
                    25 November 2015 22: 18
                    Rescue operation after an airplane crash.
                  4. 0
                    26 November 2015 11: 39
                    Well, Roskomnadzor has already begun to nightmare their products, we look forward to continuing ...
                2. +8
                  25 November 2015 20: 50
                  I think that they started shooting at pilots from the ground only so that they could not tell the truth.
                  1. +4
                    26 November 2015 00: 08
                    Quote: FlyEngine
                    I think that they started shooting at pilots from the ground only so that they could not tell the truth.

                    Yes, here the problem with the navigator came out, missed ... Only for the West, Konstantin Mitrokhin is not a witness. But for us - more than. And this, I think, is enough. Stop "working out a consolidated solution", it's time to make your own ...
                3. +10
                  25 November 2015 21: 07
                  VVP (according to ORT) responded to all the menacing alleged plans of revenge against Turkey today: "What happened yesterday isnot so scary belay belay , as the fact that it can be repeated. "That is, once (the first), it does not ... count, but if still, then ... That is, in response to yesterday, there will be NOTHING, IMHO ....
                  In this way, loot (i.e., the oligarchs' profits from gas, nuclear power plants under construction, tourist flows, etc.) wins the good ...
                  In this, I all have only one sincere feeling — a feeling of great respect and eternal gratitude to the Russian pilot soldiers and the marine who died for their homeland — their eternal memory ....
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                5. 0
                  25 November 2015 21: 34
                  Why does he need a court?
                  On the trainer.
                6. 0
                  26 November 2015 00: 23
                  Tatyana, I completely agree with you. But it is unlikely that Endogar did something that he did not agree with the United States.
                  Ankara must be punished severely, but on a sober head. Although they now think it will be difficult to get away from their deeds, even in the eyes of such henpecked US as Germany and France.
                  In general, if only there was no such thing:

                  Although I really want some of this to happen .. without consequences for our beloved country
                7. +2
                  26 November 2015 02: 48
                  Quote: Tatiana
                  This is to be expected. It is good that the saved navigator is alive and can testify to this in court.
                  Erdogan is a high-ranking Turkish raider-bandit, and his methods are gangster. Namely.
                  Erdogan, using his official position in Turkey, personally - with abuse of authority on behalf of Turkey - entered the war with Russia in defense of his personal oil raider business in Syria with the participation of ISIS gangs hired by him for this.
                  Erdogan not only used his official position in Turkey for his own selfish purposes, but also decided to personally put NATO itself at its service! Cover personally yourself and your personal interests with the “umbrella” of NATO for Turkey!
                  Erdogan personally exposed himself as a war criminal in the ranks of NATO!

                  On Erdogan ISIS crimes.
                  Erdogan under the COURT!

                  almost finished prosecutorial (accusatory) speech ...
                8. 0
                  26 November 2015 11: 36
                  Let’s see what will happen after Putin’s meeting with Hollande.
              2. +5
                25 November 2015 20: 19
                Quote: hedgehog in the fog
                only at the request of the CIA,I won’t be surprised if American pilots sat at the helm



                Oh, hedgehog-hedgehog ... At the controls of Korean and Vietnamese planes (and Egyptian too) sat obscure Li-Si-Tsy-Ny ...

                And on the opposite side - Amer pilots sat at the controls ... History is developing, a new round has begun, only in a slightly different capacity ...
              3. +6
                25 November 2015 21: 45
                Turks are the thousand-year-old enemy of Russia. What are you talking about? Every Turk dreams of an Empire. Each Turk is a nationalist and panturist.
              4. +1
                26 November 2015 01: 41
                Quote: hedgehog in the fog
                I think the action was planned and prepared
                only at the request of the CIA, I won’t be surprised if American pilots sat at the helm


                Behind the steering wheel, damn it, the four of them sat and pressed the rebuget pedals. Though it’s like, somehow, you need to find yourself in the subject, at least read the wiki for overclocking, so as not to be in the fog.

                Vilest attack in the style of chock, the scoundrels are gone. The pilot of that pelvis signed his own verdict, I think. Will die from a "heart attack" or from sweets "SudoplatoFF" in a year or two. And he is not alone, but no one will trumpet about it, and rightly so. ALL enemies of the President (and after Crimea I associate enemies of Putin with enemies of Russia) die with a frightening constancy of THEIR themselves. It should be so. Dot .
            2. +10
              25 November 2015 19: 26
              Only one way is to arrange a chance meeting with a Turkish frigate with a mine from the Second World War.
              1. Arh
                +3
                25 November 2015 19: 39
                Sneaky Turks !!!
                1. +3
                  25 November 2015 21: 12
                  The vile Turkish leadership, not the people, is first and foremost vile Erdogan.
              2. DDR
                +6
                25 November 2015 19: 50
                Quote: 2я19
                Only one way is to arrange a chance meeting with a Turkish frigate with a mine from the Second World War.

                But why? Can Erdogan put a "jar of lemonade" on his plane am to feel all the charms of free flight wassat
                1. +3
                  25 November 2015 20: 05
                  Tacit agreement of the whole world - do not touch the first persons of the state with attempts
                  1. +8
                    25 November 2015 20: 26
                    Tell that to the Cubans or the Congolese (with their murdered Patrice Lumumba).
                    1. +5
                      25 November 2015 20: 48
                      nazar_0753
                      Tacit agreement of the whole world - do not touch the first persons of the state with attempts
                      However, the assassination attempts are still “touched”! The entire colonial political “arrangement” of the West is criminally built on double standards!
                      1. +4
                        26 November 2015 01: 49
                        Tady must remember Muammar.
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                    3. 0
                      25 November 2015 21: 13
                      And don't forget Kennedy.
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                  4. +2
                    26 November 2015 00: 12
                    Quote: nazar_0753
                    Tacit agreement of the whole world - do not touch the first persons of the state with attempts

                    Only US intelligence agencies do not know about this. They didn’t know about Kennedy yet ... And they didn’t know about Fidel. And about Allende did not guess ...
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            3. 0
              25 November 2015 21: 07
              Umbrella rocket.
            4. 0
              26 November 2015 02: 45
              Quote: krokodil25
              I am interested in the question of how to ensure a sufficient termination of fighters! ?

              a regiment of military air defense with S-300VM and escort of bombers by fighters as was done in World War II ...
          2. +7
            25 November 2015 18: 59
            Quote: Temples
            In order to prevent such a conversation, the Turks placed the militants in the "right" place.
            Both terrorists and "journalists" found themselves in the "right" place "by chance"
            filming the joy of these freaks.
            Turks are not just supporters of terrorists.
            Turks are the organizers of this outrage.

            that's right, and even at the oil depots lupanuli ISILovksim, where now Erdogan will take cheap oil, the nerves are taken from him ...
            1. +7
              25 November 2015 19: 06
              Rather, he finally broke off with a little mind, and completely lost his fear.
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              1. +2
                25 November 2015 20: 00
                Quote: Tatiana
                This is to be expected. It is good that the saved navigator is alive and can testify to this.
                Erdogan is a high-ranking Turkish raider-bandit, and his methods are gangster.
                Namely. Erdogan using his official position in Turkey, personally, in excess of authority on behalf of Turkey, entered the war with Russia in defense of his personal oil raider business in Syria with the complicity of the ISIS gangs hired by him for this. Erdogan not only used his official position in Turkey for personal gain, but also pYeshil personally put in the service of NATO itself! Hide behind the NATO "umbrella"!
                Erdogan personally exposed himself as a war criminal in NATO!
                On Erdogan ISIS crimes.
                Erdogan under the COURT!


                Well, not so simple.
                There are a lot of questions.

                Here is an example:

                Lavrov: Turkish Foreign Ministry did not answer whether the attack on Su was agreed with the United States

                MOSCOW, 25 Nov - RIA News. During a telephone conversation with Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov, Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu was unable to answer the question of whether Ankara agreed on actions against the Russian Su-24 with the United States.
                "I asked my Turkish colleague if the Turks had coordinated their actions against Russian planes with the Americans, as with the heads of the coalition, he could not answer me anything," Lavrov told reporters.




                Translated from the diplomatic: "This is for you enti KOriveted and EVILe ordered to do ?? !! am Oh well ..."
                1. +2
                  25 November 2015 20: 22
                  skifd (3)
                  Not so simple.
                  Right. Agree with you. But it is MANDATORY to act in this direction - and, most importantly, nothing about Erdogan is currently in the way!
                  The Pentagon, if anything gets rid of him, will not lose "the honor of the uniform" because of Erdogan. But Erdogan's criminal initiative is obvious! It is not for nothing that Erdogan's inner circle has long been talking about his inadequacy.
                  Erdogan should be taken for soft spots - and under his COURT! So that other high-ranking bloody business raiders in the hot region were not up to speed!
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                3. +1
                  26 November 2015 01: 51
                  Quote: skifd
                  Translated from the diplomatic: "This is you ordered to be done by the Angry and the Angry ?? !!

                  I admire Lavrov’s skill to correctly formulate questions!
                  did the Turks coordinate their actions against Russian aircraft with the Americans, as with the leaders of the coalition
                  Chuvashogly will say that they agreed - they will burn the Americans, which means that by their order, "Drying" was dumped. He will say that they did not agree - so, it turns out, they threw the head of their coalition over the stump, such unauthorized people ... America will have to put them in their place, at least formally.laughing So Chuvashogly has to wipe his nose and sniff like a schoolboy who has not learned the multiplication table ...

                  I have long been saying - Lavrov - Minister of Foreign Affairs with a capital letter. Probably the first normal minister after Gromyko ...
          3. +4
            25 November 2015 19: 08
            great comment .. here now a mosaic has gathered in my brain ... it seems I was thinking that the planned action, but still didn’t line up .. everything is true ... there are too many coincidences. Only the last question remains, why all this?
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          5. +9
            25 November 2015 19: 20
            Quote: Temples
            Both terrorists and "journalists" found themselves in the "right" place "by chance"

            Therefore, they finished off the pilots descending on parachutes from the ground, in order to throw their ends into the water.
            Initially, it was clear that this was a diversion. It is important now to ensure the relatively safe operation of our bombers, covering them both from the ground and from the air.
            1. +4
              25 November 2015 20: 08
              Quote: NEXUS
              Therefore, they finished off the pilots descending on parachutes from the ground, in order to throw their ends into the water.

              I wish that the names of our pilots, real men, would not be misinterpreted:
              The navigator of the Su-24 bomber shot down by the Turks Konstantin Mitrokhin told reporters about the attack

              His name is Konstantin Murakhtin. And the commander, Lieutenant Colonel Oleg Peshkov died. The guys served in Lipetsk ...
              1. +3
                25 November 2015 20: 22
                Quote: zennon
                His name is Konstantin Murakhtin.

                Sorry, my mistake. But I think that in the public media and the Internet it was not worth voicing their names, because they have relatives and friends. hi
                1. +2
                  25 November 2015 20: 48
                  Quote: NEXUS
                  Sorry, my mistake.

                  Not yours. I didn’t take this passage from your post, but from the main article that we are discussing. As for the names of the commander, the land rest in peace ... The navigator was called the media, but his faces were not shown. hi
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          7. +4
            25 November 2015 20: 05
            Quote: Temples
            Turks are not just supporters of terrorists. Turks are the organizers of this outrage.

            I will add. The Turks are pulling tanks to the border with Syria. A ground operation is possible to protect the "brothers" of terrorists. There is no reaction from Russia and Syria to this yet. It is still possible to warn Erdogan about the consequences of such actions. (Military intervention against an independent state) The provocation with the SU-24 is similar to a distraction, the goal is to neutralize the Russian Aerospace Forces. The Turks will not allow the closure of the border with Syria. hi
            1. +1
              25 November 2015 20: 30
              Something I do not hear (which is strange) howling against Russia (except dill essno), that, like, we ourselves are to blame for violating the air borders of Turkey. This suggests that she was not there. I think the Turks got under the tail of the lyuli from the mattress for their self-will. In theory, now they should shut up and hush up the scandal, and not pull troops to the border with Syria. Nato's campaign is not on their side. Although whoever understands this policy ...
              1. +7
                25 November 2015 21: 04
                Quote: Dr. Bormental
                I think the Turks got under the tail of the lyuli from the mattress for their self-will.

                Not the word! In Brusely, they are not downright idiots sitting. They perfectly understand where the chebureks can entice them! Now I watched the English parliament on TV, there is a debate on this matter. To be honest, I was not surprised even if ... oh! The Labor Party is true but theirs he pushes the minister of foreign affairs: "Do you understand that Turkey is superfluous in NATO. NATO can be dragged into a war with Russia, which is destroying ISIS. And the Turks provide air cover for terrorists, and even squeeze oil cheaply, and they sponsor terrorists"? in the English parliament, today. I've seen it myself !!!
                1. +1
                  25 November 2015 21: 08
                  Wow !!! Interesting!
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                3. +1
                  25 November 2015 21: 50
                  Quote: zennon
                  In the Nagly parliament today. I saw it myself !!!

                  what channel is this? curious to see
                  1. +3
                    25 November 2015 22: 30
                    Quote: twviewer
                    what channel is this? curious to see

                    Yes, it was our news cut. The truth was that the opposition laborer was broadcasting, and Cameron harnessed for the chebureks, they say white and fluffy. The truth with the symbolic reservations, they have to figure it out to the end. The mole is still not clear, but the Turks are still good. The base for the mattress was provided by, well, spitting fighters with terrorists!
            2. +3
              25 November 2015 21: 16
              The Germans also did not let ours into Berlin. Passed by.
            3. 0
              26 November 2015 02: 52
              Quote: fif21
              Turks pull tanks to the border with Syria.

              cover with tornadoes in the 4th layer ... plus at the border make sowing of minefields.
            4. 0
              26 November 2015 06: 03
              Quote: fif21
              The provocation with the SU-24 is like a distraction, the goal is to neutralize the Russian airborne forces.

              I do not think that they are so stupid people to hope so. Moreover, substituting with intervention is the planned suicide. At least for those forces that cross the border.
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          9. +4
            25 November 2015 20: 16
            Quote: Temples
            Turks are not just supporters of terrorists.
            Turks are the organizers of this outrage.



            Honestly, reading the news and comments on them, the second day I never cease to be surprised ...

            Well, of course, a provocation ... This opinion was expressed yesterday by one of the pilots of our contingent in Syria ...

            Well, it’s clear ... The day before (and before that, also in days 4-5) Putin directly named the main financiers of the Islamic State - Qatar, SA and Turkey at the G20 summit and in Tehran ... Open (!!!) ... Moreover, he threatened precisely these three ...

            Well, our son Erdogan was deprived of free oil ... Well, it turns out, as it were, help from our side to the same Kurds ... Clearly, unpleasantly ...

            BUT (!!!) - even because of this put the world on the brink of a third world war?

            I even admit that our Su-24 overtook Turkey’s airspace ... What our navigator, the Defense Ministry and the Foreign Ministry say is normal, they say the topic, anyway ...

            But - I repeat - even hooked the space - is that a reason for shooting to kill ???

            Here today at VO, someone quite rightly brought Erdogan’s expression about the violation by combat aircraft of the edge of the airspace of neighboring states ... So there HE, Erdogan, personally spoke out that this was not a reason for destroying the aircraft and crew ...

            And how do you understand all this ??? If the United States (NATO) is so eager to break Russia, then why is it looking for such stupid reasons to unleash a third world ???

            Trying to explain themselves to their peoples and voters ??? So after being untied, no one will be explained to anyone !!!

            Hatred of Russia has melted the brain of many politicians, otherwise you cannot explain what is happening in the world now ...
            1. +2
              25 November 2015 20: 37
              Either the Communist Party, or there was an article where the Greeks indicated how many times they recorded violation of their air borders by the Turks - more than 1000 times a year (I don’t remember the detailed numbers). So they said that if they shot down every time about this - Turkey would not have military aviation.
            2. +3
              25 November 2015 21: 18
              And almost the entire western (mainly Anglo-Saxon) world has gone crazy, is that still not clear?
          10. +2
            25 November 2015 21: 39
            the Turks had to crush for Ichkeria! so no, partners!
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        4. +9
          25 November 2015 18: 48
          Quote: Baikonur
          Also, there is already evidence that the Turkish Air Force has long collected data on our routes and flight times. And at this time their samzik ​​always paced, waiting for the moment!

          Everywhere they collected all the data. And given this plane alone, without any cover. Without means of warning about a missile attack (and I thought in my own way that in our time all combat aircraft are equipped with such systems)
          1. +4
            25 November 2015 20: 47
            Quote: Sterlya
            Without means of warning about a missile attack (and I thought in my own way that in our time, all military aircraft are equipped with such systems)



            I’m not a specialist, just 43 of a year ago, while still in military service, I was an aviation mechanic in armament ...

            Ancient, MTP - please respond ...

            In my opinion, now in any country, on any combat aircraft, these systems are installed ... But can an attack aircraft, or rather, its crew, react in some seconds to a fighter attack, take some sort of counter-maneuver ...
            Suddenly they attack the attack aircraft without cover ... Well, the system informed about the missile attack ... He is still an attack aircraft, not a fighter ...

            If I'm wrong in something - correct, please ...
            1. +6
              25 November 2015 21: 22
              Our guys relaxed a bit. Yes, and did not expect such a trick. And this is the fault of the higher commanders, but, as I think, they will draw conclusions and take action.
              In my opinion, a simple techie is to close the sky in this area and shoot down everything that flies. And the West should be warned - either we are fighting along with Isil, or do not poke into the zone of the closed sky.
              1. +7
                26 November 2015 04: 17
                "Well, if you know where the arrow is from,
                worse, if it is mean, from around the corner! "

                V.S.
            2. +1
              25 November 2015 23: 05
              Quote: veksha50
              Quote: Sterlya
              Without means of warning about a missile attack (and I thought in my own way that in our time, all military aircraft are equipped with such systems)



              I’m not a specialist, just 43 of a year ago, while still in military service, I was an aviation mechanic in armament ...

              Ancient, MTP - please respond ...

              In my opinion, now in any country, on any combat aircraft, these systems are installed ... But can an attack aircraft, or rather, its crew, react in some seconds to a fighter attack, take some sort of counter-maneuver ...
              Suddenly they attack the attack aircraft without cover ... Well, the system informed about the missile attack ... He is still an attack aircraft, not a fighter ...

              If I'm wrong in something - correct, please ...


              I do not belong to air defense, but I can assume. The air-to-air missile, which was used, has a thermal seeker, it is passive and is aimed at the thermal emission of the engine. This rocket does not radiate anything. Therefore, it cannot be detected by any systems. Su could only detect the operation of the Turkish airborne radar. But they could get used to it already.
              Short-range missile. It can be detected visually, if it gets into the eye, and, possibly, the airborne radar. But are there any such systems on SU-24 a question for specialists. I dont know
            3. 0
              26 November 2015 02: 05
              Quote: veksha50
              I’m not a specialist, just 43 of a year ago, while still in military service, I was an aviation mechanic in armament ...

              Ancient, MTP - please respond ...

              In my opinion, now in any country, on any combat aircraft, these systems are installed ... But can an attack aircraft, or rather, its crew, react in some seconds to a fighter attack, take some sort of counter-maneuver ...
              Suddenly they attack the attack aircraft without cover ... Well, the system informed about the missile attack ... He is still an attack aircraft, not a fighter ...

              And I have the same question .. Are there really no missile attack warning systems on modern (though outdated, but still modernized) Su-24s? Should there be thermal traps? And then the chance for a missile defense maneuver should remain .. It is clear that everything is unexpected .. Our enemies could take everything into account. Even the response time of warning systems. And some new systems themselves could experience.
        5. +86
          25 November 2015 18: 56
          Quote: Baikonur
          Yesterday One honored pilot explained the term "air ambush" and said that it was it!


          To the death of the Heroes! Commander and Marine ...
          Eternal flight and land in peace ...


          Heaven suddenly turned into hell for me
          A traitorous blow from around the corner ...
          I am a plane with the soul of man
          With special wing geometry.

          When they beat in the back, they know - they will not miss,
          What are the vulnerabilities ...
          And the pain that started somewhere in the fuselage,
          It pierces from the cab to the tail.

          What the hell is going on in this world ?!
          Do not see me through the fire and smoke.
          I'm not Charlie, I'm Su-Xnumx
          And where are the tablets with my name?

          Pique will tighten ... Dizziness
          Shuffles everything into a kaleidoscope.
          I have not been given a chance to escape
          I meet the inevitable directly in the forehead.

          Earth will embrace to take forever
          My recorder let him cover the darkness.
          I am a plane with the soul of man
          With special wing geometry.

          © Sergey Efimov
          1. +9
            25 November 2015 19: 12
            Yes I applaud while standing !!!!
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          3. +7
            25 November 2015 19: 23
            Awesome !!!
          4. +5
            25 November 2015 19: 48
            He takes for the soul, a cool verse!
          5. +6
            25 November 2015 20: 41
            Bravo! Very, very well and beautifully written. Vysotsky's song "Fighter" immediately surfaced in my memory. Just as mentally.
            1. +1
              25 November 2015 21: 06
              just yesterday she also threw it on the forum when discussing)))
            2. 0
              25 November 2015 21: 06
              just yesterday she also threw it on the forum when discussing)))
          6. +8
            25 November 2015 20: 51
            Quote: Rus2012
            To the death of the Heroes!


            By God, somewhere on the stove, the cross of their graves, you need to attach this poem ... I think they will not mind ...

            PS Thank you for the verses, Rus2012, just something with my heart became a little bad, clamped ...
            1. +2
              25 November 2015 23: 15
              Just crying ...
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        6. +12
          25 November 2015 19: 33
          Also, "The main witness" said in an interview that after treatment he wants to stay to serve in Syria, because he needs to return the favor for the commander
          http://news.rambler.ru/politics/32019344/
        7. +5
          25 November 2015 19: 51
          to find, bring down a Turk, not to take prisoner. everything.http: //topwar.ru/uploads/images/2015/587/btmc366.jpg
        8. +7
          25 November 2015 20: 27
          Quote: Baikonur
          Death - HERdognide!

          ..and welcome the Turks to the no-fly zone .. it was scribbled on my knee on September 7th after the news of the possible appearance in Jeble of our full-fledged Air Force / Navy base .. they themselves asked for it ... and even big greetings to the Israeli falcons and Jordan .. yes , and the Anglican Air Force base in Cyprus .. Since 400 is not joking .. wink
          1. +11
            25 November 2015 22: 17
            But the guys accidentally wandered into the mountains, accidentally took equipment and accidentally took off the fall of the SU-24M.
            1. +1
              26 November 2015 06: 59
              It would be nice if in the next trip to the mountains, we accidentally meet a bear and die of fear.
        9. +6
          25 November 2015 21: 56
          They have not yet seen our ordinary family photo shoots in nature, after that they will definitely do it !!!
        10. +9
          25 November 2015 22: 12


          Something on Channel One does not show this. Censorship however. But the center of the wino in Yekaterinburg was opened and participants in the Bialowieza agreements were invited !!! Well, not with ..ki ???
        11. 0
          26 November 2015 11: 30
          I really wanted to make a trick, but could not execute without jambs. Even the plane was shot down on foreign territory.
          This is a specific mess, even the Americans do not allow themselves!
          And NATO immediately tried to sign! Erdogan mega under _onok!
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      3. +2
        25 November 2015 18: 41
        Quote: sannych
        But what about 10 warnings in 8 seconds? They lie, the Janissaries are bad.

        Warnings are given when you are already at a distance of 10 km from the border.
        1. +5
          25 November 2015 19: 00
          Quote: Dad Uassya
          Warnings are given when you are already at a distance of 10 km from the border.

          At a speed of 720 km / h in 5 minutes the plane will fly 60 km.
      4. +39
        25 November 2015 18: 47
        Quote: sannych
        They lie, the Janissaries are bad.

        Of course they’re lying.
        1. DDR
          +5
          25 November 2015 20: 04
          Quote: vovanpain
          Quote: sannych
          They lie, the Janissaries are bad.
          Of course they’re lying.

          Question! Is it possible to make this photo a background picture of a target?
          I think the performance of fire training will increase significantly laughing
      5. +6
        25 November 2015 18: 59
        I think that Konstantin Mitrokhin can and should be transplanted to the Su-35 after recovery. So that he could return the "favor" for the commander to a known party with interest! am
        1. +12
          25 November 2015 19: 54
          Unfortunately, Konstantin will not be able to fly the Su-35, for the simple reason that he is a "clean" navigator and not a pilot. And his life is really a MIRACLE, and a "jamb" for the executors of this dirty order. Therefore, the militants tried to destroy them in the air, and not take them alive in order to mock in front of the camera.
          Judging by the fact that the Turks immediately rushed to consult with NATO, the campaign acted at their own risk, and probably grew weary of the fact that the Americans immediately disowned them and sharp statements from other countries followed.
          To the commander and marines, rest in peace, condolences to families, these are real HEROES.
          1. +2
            25 November 2015 21: 38
            Where have you seen harsh statements from other countries? I just saw Obama actually approving.
      6. +1
        25 November 2015 22: 08
        [media = http: //www.youtube.com/watch? v = 1XQHmOThj70

        Something on channel 1 does not show this!
    2. +19
      25 November 2015 18: 34
      so that they can walk up to 34m and a pancake with full BK and electronic warfare.
      Damn, I didn’t expect from the Turks, I understood that the scores with the Kurds were being reduced, it seems that the legacy of the empire was so mean in the back .... The Janissaries forgot the campaign as they were raking in the Kuban ...
      1. +4
        25 November 2015 19: 09
        Quote: Alex_Rarog
        so that they can walk up to 34m and a pancake with full BK and electronic warfare.
        Damn, I didn’t expect from the Turks, I understood that the scores with the Kurds were being reduced, it seems that the legacy of the empire was so mean in the back .... The Janissaries forgot the campaign as they were raking in the Kuban ...

        In Crimea, they raked even cooler! There even a Turkish military cemetery has remained since those times.
        1. +6
          25 November 2015 20: 03
          Quote: GSH-18
          In Crimea, they raked even cooler! There even a Turkish military cemetery has remained since those times.

          There are both English and French cemeteries ... Yes
          1. +1
            25 November 2015 21: 41
            Quote: andj61
            There are both English and French cemeteries.

            But Ukrainian is not there!
      2. +1
        25 November 2015 21: 27
        And they also have McCain complexes, all the poor fellows are tormented by departed greatness.
    3. +25
      25 November 2015 18: 35
      The navigator of health and happiness, a real Russian man. And Erdogan is an ordinary black man and coward, the count is waiting for his hero.
      1. +9
        25 November 2015 18: 40
        Here is a living witness. What a bummer about the Turks. How will they get out now?
    4. +16
      25 November 2015 18: 44
      Solovyov: the group "Gray Wolves" participated in the execution, and the field commander in the report is the son of the mayor of the Turkish city.
      1. +3
        25 November 2015 19: 26
        “Kassad” has a disagreement about this, so Erdogan did not just strain about “brothers”.
        1. +3
          25 November 2015 19: 47
          Well, we just have to cover this whole area with "brothers" with something vigorous ...
          Quote: edmed
          “Kassad” has a disagreement about this, so Erdogan did not just strain about “brothers”.
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      3. +12
        25 November 2015 19: 50
        Alpaslan Celik But in reality, he is not a Turkman, but a real Turk, originally from the city of Keban in the province of Elazig. He poses for Reuters reporters with the details of a parachute in his hands.
        1. +1
          26 November 2015 02: 13
          Quote: myasoed
          Alpaslan Celik

          I will be glad if he runs into a bullet from my machine gun. (He pulled out a soldier, blew the dust from him) I’m glad for the others as well.
          Erase all this trash from the face of the earth.
    5. +8
      25 November 2015 18: 45
      Yes, who would doubt it. In addition, it was too convenient for the operators to be located at the crash site. Fell them all, including the moderate type.
    6. +24
      25 November 2015 18: 47
      Self Video:
      1. +13
        25 November 2015 19: 20
        People, you can blame me to the gray general, but it seems to me that he reads the answers on a piece of paper. Bent right hand and constant head down movements. Yes, and the speech itself is some ragged. Remember how they themselves at school answered an unlearned subject, peeping into a notebook. They could hurt in the hand, but in conjunction with everything else ...
        I am very happy for him that he returned from there alive. And congratulations on the order. I hope that he will be honored to drop a couple of tons of bombs on the heads of those freaks who shot his commander.
        1. 0
          25 November 2015 19: 31
          Listen, I just printed my comment and sent it, looked at yours, we’re word for word ...
          1. +3
            25 November 2015 19: 43
            As they say, fools converge thoughts drinks
            1. +3
              25 November 2015 19: 50
              I wanted to write the same thing))) drinks
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        2. +4
          25 November 2015 20: 11
          When it seems, it is necessary to be baptized, and not to compare the navigator with a dropout schoolchild.
          1. -1
            25 November 2015 21: 11
            When I need to be baptized, and when not, I will decide for myself, and without instructions from someone with the nickname AID.S.
            As for comparing the navigator with the student. Read my comment again, please. I asked READERS of this article to recall MYSELF in my school years. For some reason, everyone understood this, except for you.
            1. -2
              25 November 2015 22: 23
              Unfortunately, you have confused and accepted the Russian proverb for my instruction to you. Now tell me why you wrote "People, you can minus me to the gray general, but it seems to me that he reads the answers from a piece of paper"? Making fun of a combat officer? Over the Ministry of Defense? Didn't you think it was inappropriate?
        3. +3
          25 November 2015 20: 39
          In his position, you must carefully monitor the words. He is not a speaker, but a navigator. Although a man was prepared for everything, it is a great stress. What bothers you? hidden face, mutated voice? No need to advertise this - a hunt has been declared for a person, he is the only living witness to this crime
          1. +4
            25 November 2015 21: 02
            Neither his face, which is not visible, nor his voice confuse me. It would be embarrassing if all this was not there and he stood facing the camera and called himself.
            It’s just that the attitude towards the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation lately has, at least, turned out to be a very serious organization. And here it is. It seems not a jamb, but a flaw. An unpleasant residue remained, frankly.
            1. +2
              25 November 2015 22: 34
              Oleg. And how would you look and answer questions if you were in such a situation and miraculously survived ???
        4. +2
          25 November 2015 21: 34
          I will not minus you, but I thought, but how would I feel in a situation where I myself miraculously escaped death, like a pilot and a marine. And not everyone knows how to give an interview, he could even sketch it out so that the unrest would not hinder to say.
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      2. +48
        25 November 2015 19: 23
        Details:

        The Turks "caught" Russian planes for several days. When our aircraft took off, the Turks immediately raised their own, and when our IS approached the area of ​​hostilities, there were constantly from four to six Turkish F-16s in the air. Several times the Turkish command took the couple closest to the border to the line of attack, but on approaching it returned back, explaining these actions by "escorting" foreign aircraft. Yesterday, a pair of Turkish fighters began intercepting a Russian fighter-bomber even before it approached the Turkish border and was in an attack position at the moment of its approach to the target, when the IS was turning along the border with Turkey, entering the target. That is, it was actually in ambush in readiness to intercept. At that moment, the Russian Istr * bitel-bomber was turning along the border of Syria and Turkey, being in the airspace of Syria, three kilometers from the border. And from a distance of four kilometers, from a three-quarter foreshortening, our Su-24 was shot down into the rear hemisphere by a missile with the IKGSN "Sidewinder", while the missile was actually launched over the border of Turkey and Syria, after which the Turkish F-16 invaded Syrian airspace at least four kilometers. The rocket hit the engine, both pilots ejected. The commander of the crew, Lieutenant Colonel Oleg Peshkov, was shot by Islamists in the air and landed already dead. His body was found and seized by militants.
        The navigator pilot, captain Konstantin Murakhtin, survived and was able to land successfully. Landing occurred on the forest slope of the mountain. This gave him a small head start and he was able to escape from the landing site to the approach of the Islamist capture group. Throughout the day, militant units combed the area in search of a Russian pilot, but could not find it. The pilot constantly moved and disguised himself. With the onset of darkness, the pilot contacted the emergency radio station and let him know that he was alive and indicated his whereabouts. It is interesting that almost immediately in the area where the pilot was hiding, a column of militants went from the nearest village and began an active radio exchange, which indicates that Turkish interceptors immediately transmitted information about the pilot's whereabouts to the militants.
        With the onset of darkness, several of our PSS special forces groups advanced into the area, as well as Syrian special forces operating in this area. At about twenty-three hours, the pilot was met by Syrian special forces located in the rear of the militants, and by two o'clock in the night he was taken to the territory controlled by the Syrian army, and at three o'clock in the morning he was delivered to the Khmeimim base.

        What our pilot was able to do is nothing other than a feat! It's something transcendental to escape the chase of a bloodthirsty jackal for ten hours! I sincerely congratulate all those involved in this operation! This is a real "pearl" in the crown of glory of the Russian Army!

        http://shurigin.livejournal.com/684657.html
      3. +4
        25 November 2015 19: 29
        I understand everything, minus, but I’ll ask you a question - don’t you think he is reading the text on paper? The right hand does not go down throughout the video, and the phrase "yes, and the rocket has come" sounds like when reading an essay at school. I didn’t like it yet - journalists, like schoolchildren, ask questions in order, without fuss, without their usual emotions. How it all looks rehearsed.
        I’ll make a reservation right away - I’m not a holor and not a provocateur, I just expressed what seemed strange.
        1. +7
          25 November 2015 19: 51
          If on a piece of paper, then this is not to say too much.
          1. +6
            25 November 2015 20: 19
            Yes, I understand everything. Because of their crew, the 3rd World War could begin. I would have said, in the place of this pilot, I would have stuttered, and not just read a piece of paper. Out of such a meat grinder, honor him and praise. Sorry for the commander. These guys are heroes, what can I say.
          2. +1
            25 November 2015 20: 19
            Yes, I understand everything. Because of their crew, the 3rd World War could begin. I would have said, in the place of this pilot, I would have stuttered, and not just read a piece of paper. Out of such a meat grinder, honor him and praise. Sorry for the commander. These guys are heroes, what can I say.
        2. DDR
          +5
          25 November 2015 20: 20
          Quote: Dr. Bormental
          I understand everything, zamusuemuete, but I ask the question, do not you think that he is reading text on paper?

          Ivan! And didn’t you think that a MAN came back from almost the next world? And he is not a journalist in order to speak smoothly (without a mat). hi
          1. +3
            25 November 2015 20: 46
            That's right you say. I just decided to share what seemed unnatural to me. In my opinion, there was no need to torture the guy, would they take an audio interview or whatever else. I would lie back in the hospital, heal .. then you can already video. I am not an Indian Hawkeye, but I and Oleg 16661 with a difference of 9 minutes at the same time commented on this. I’m afraid that foreign media will be tougher in their remarks about this video ...
            1. 0
              26 November 2015 07: 09
              Yes to us that. How much can you look back at others. When you have sex with your wife, you also look back, and as there are neighbors, I’m doing everything right, how they look at it. Spit on these Western media. You never know what they write. To us what is from this. Tired of looking around and looking all the time, and what they say. We are generally not in Russia,
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        3. 0
          26 November 2015 07: 06
          And what follows from this. What is your question. AND
      4. -2
        25 November 2015 20: 53
        Somehow he is talking weirdly. As an actor in the series. Constructed phrases, pauses ... Is it like a navigator, or did they throw the actor to journalists?
        1. +1
          25 November 2015 23: 36
          If you carefully watch the interviews of the military or the police, those that do not flicker on television, but for some reason are forced to speak into the microphone and speak to the camera - everyone speaks the same way. That is, an ordinary clip in front of the camera: some cannot say a word without a hitch, and even say it right, but without stuttering, not saying too much and forget nothing. I have to write text on paper. Now, if he told too smoothly, in detail and colorfully - one would suspect that he was fake. And what the journalists asked so calmly and in order - so surely the 20th is already a double.
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        3. +1
          26 November 2015 07: 11
          Well another one came up. Everyone looks at the sky, and this one immediately into the bin. And from there peeps and stinks.
    7. +12
      25 November 2015 18: 52
      “In fact, there were no warnings. Neither by radio, nor visually.

      There is an irresistible desire to shamarn on Erdogan’s arrogant deceitful erysipelas from all over, so that the sccyka in the air turns over twice! am
      1. +14
        25 November 2015 19: 16
        Quote: GSH-18
        There is an irresistible desire to shamarn on Erdogan’s arrogant deceitful erysipelas from all over, so that the sccyka in the air turns over twice!

        why only Erdogan?
        Turks rams stupidly used (as well as a jumping flock of kaklov). The main ones are not


        Farewell of the Slav - for




        (it's a pity the censorship-music did not miss the words of A. Krasko, although the "sign translation" is understandable in principle)

        the impression is that the creators of the film in 2015 visited .... good
        1. +3
          25 November 2015 19: 45
          Have you read A. Pokrovsky? If you didn’t read it, then read, there is this sign language translation in our Russian. Although I'm sure I read smile
          1. +3
            25 November 2015 19: 51
            Did you read A. Pokrovsky.
            --------------------------------- It's a pity that few here know this "sea Zoshchenko"
            1. +3
              25 November 2015 21: 02
              I love Pokrovsky. I really laughed to cramps over the funny and really cried over the sad. A classmate married a submariner, moved to Severodvinsk. So there Pokrovsky is simply quoted)))) Everything, says the truth)))
            2. 0
              25 November 2015 21: 02
              I love Pokrovsky. I really laughed to cramps over the funny and really cried over the sad. A classmate married a submariner, moved to Severodvinsk. So there Pokrovsky is simply quoted)))) Everything, says the truth)))
          2. +3
            25 November 2015 21: 06
            Quote: Dr. Bormental
            Have you read A. Pokrovsky?

            Quote: guzik007
            It is a pity that few here know this "sea Zoshchenko"

            We read not only A. Pokrovsky, but also the series "Pokrovsky and the Brothers At Sea .. On Land ... And Higher". Cool series, sorry I only have 7 books out of 13, the rest have disappeared from sale. Who does not know, in the series "Pokrovsky and Brothers" there are collections of stories not only by A. Pokrovsky, but also by everyone who served at sea, on land and above, and also worked in the defense industry. Mostly stories from life, sometimes such jokes come across that a neighbor rzhach resorts to inquire.
            1. 0
              26 November 2015 03: 14
              Quote: Captain45
              Pokrovsky and the brothers

              buy ...
              http://www.morkniga.ru/r218-800851-1.html
      2. +1
        25 November 2015 19: 54
        Here everyone has such a desire. But we are polite people. We will not beat the muzzle. But if you flood a tanker with oil in the port, it would be nice.
    8. +3
      25 November 2015 18: 56
      Are you seriously? How could they think that there would be no witnesses if the territory is under the radar? In addition, they said that they shot down our plane.
      And yet, a provocation is only a provocation when the culprit does not hide and provokes the response.
      1. Darkoff
        +3
        25 November 2015 19: 10
        And the culprit neither hides nor apologizes. Says: I did everything right.
    9. +2
      25 November 2015 19: 19
      Once again, our proved that we DO NOT THROW OURS !!!
      And for PODLYANKA NATO shafki will pay dearly ...
    10. +9
      25 November 2015 19: 30
      Another thing surprises me. For the past year or two, there has been so much noise on TV and in the media about our new electronic warfare products that even the blind and deaf know about it. These new items jam the enemy's radars, cut out all electronics, divert the enemy's homing missiles and blah, blah, blah aside. In general, a wonderful weapon. There is a military operation in Syria and the Turks are knocking down our plane. Question: where are these wonderful novelties? Why are they not being used in Syria? Or, as usual, they did it for show in a single copy, received orders, medals, prizes and forgot. And besides the Turks for the downed plane and helicopter, the death of the pilot and the marine must be answered by our times ... those who did not deliver to Syria or did not install these new items on aircraft, who allowed them to fly on missions without these novelties and without fighter cover. When will the mess in the heads of the leaders and the hope for the Russian `` ABOS '' disappear?
    11. +2
      25 November 2015 19: 38
      What provocation are you talking about? Any provocation pursues specific goals, for example, to frighten a warning, to put it in an uncomfortable position, and thereby force it to do what is intended. This was not here. I have the impression that even Ankara itself did not expect this, otherwise Erdogan would not have pulled from a low start to get consultations at NATO headquarters, Remember the plane shot down by Khokhlov in the sky of Donbas, the wreckage had not yet fallen, and the whole world was yelling that it made Russia. And here everything is quiet (and who is not quiet) fucked up, hence such slurred statements like oh, yesterday, in fact, the whole world froze for a while in horror, so this is not an ordinary event.
      We will take revenge, I have no doubt about it, the main thing is that revenge would be with a cold head.
    12. +5
      25 November 2015 19: 51
      Another "order" from the US State Department is now Turkey
    13. +1
      25 November 2015 20: 03
      In general, it’s not figs for you, but figs for us - the classic casus belli. It seems that the straits to the Turks were already redundant.
    14. +1
      25 November 2015 21: 37
      Video....................
    15. +1
      26 November 2015 01: 13
      Heaven suddenly turned into hell for me

      A traitorous blow from around the corner ...

      I am a plane with the soul of man

      With special wing geometry.



      When they beat in the back, they know - they will not miss,

      What are the vulnerabilities ...

      And the pain that started somewhere in the fuselage,

      It pierces from the cab to the tail.



      What the hell is going on in this world ?!

      Do not see me through the fire and smoke.

      I'm not Charlie, I'm Su-Xnumx

      And where are the tablets with my name?



      Pique will tighten ... Dizziness

      Shuffles everything into a kaleidoscope.

      I have not been given a chance to escape

      I meet the inevitable directly in the forehead.



      Earth will embrace to take forever

      My recorder let him cover the darkness.

      I am a plane with the soul of man

      With special wing geometry.


      http://omiliya.org/article/ya-ne-sharli-ya-su-24-sergey-efimov
      1. +1
        26 November 2015 02: 06
        I ask permission to copy your text for yourself. To remember !!!
  2. +26
    25 November 2015 18: 26
    The Turks, as always, hit in the back, both figuratively and literally. Bastards !!! Never were friends and never will be.
    1. +23
      25 November 2015 18: 29
      Cowardly jackals immediately ran into NATO, and there the Erdoganisch passage was met to put it mildly cool, and some European countries were generally so negative. This is clearly not the kind of reaction that Turkey expected. Erdoganisch missed and badly spoiled his karma. Although Turkey is a NATO member, Erdogan has been grinning a tooth from the same amers for a long time and the current situation is being used against him with great willingness. Do not be a sultan to this idiot.
      1. -3
        25 November 2015 19: 10
        Now after a day, a little cooling can already be answered.

        1) Military measures:
        - Bombing with tactical nuclear weapons (with a short decay time) roads / passes of these mountains, villages in general along the border. Naturally, with the consent of official Syria, as well as pre-warning civilians in 24 hours and providing corridors. So the issues of closing borders, as well as the issue of terrorists, are solved. The effect and evidence of hints will be crystal-clear and sobering for all who are members of NATO and are not afraid of Russia because of this. Perhaps even some will stop aiming there.
        - Closing the airspace unilaterally over the provinces of Aleppo, Idleb, Latakia. Raqqu and Hasaku leave for the US coalition. Naturally, also with the consent of Syria and with them.

        2) Economic measures:
        - About the grief of tourists who just did not write. What did they not see in Turkey - year after year? Introduce a visa regime with them to prohibit the work of tour operators in the direction of Turkey.
        - The gas pipeline there is initially a dead project. From there, over time, for any Iran / Qatar / Azerbaijan they would be ousted - there is too much competition. Gas is generally universal, unlike oil - you can hold it - there will always be a buyer when other countries have been blown away through 50 for years.
        - If there is enough money for the CIS, they need to be squeezed out of all CSTO / CU countries.
        1. +4
          25 November 2015 20: 36
          Instead of tactical nuclear weapons it is necessary to use ODAB. Drive the Tu-22M3 squadron there, to the eyeballs of the filled ODAB-500 and level these villages. Even one such bomb is quite powerful, and if there is a lot, even considering the imposition of shock waves ...
          Of course, the Tu-22M3 must be covered with fighters.
          1. +2
            25 November 2015 21: 11
            After ODAB, you can also climb those mountains. And after the low-power charges of thiao, only the sick or those in the tank will ride there.

            And I did not say anything about revenge. You just need to do this so that this does not happen anywhere else.
    2. +3
      25 November 2015 20: 09
      Yes, throughout history, we constantly fought with Turkey, how it can become our friend, I don’t understand, and laying a gas pipe to the Turks is nonsense, the project is not designed for the long term
      Turks - our enemies - were, are and will be.
  3. +6
    25 November 2015 18: 29
    There was an ambush. Caught our
  4. +5
    25 November 2015 18: 29
    the Turks forgot how in the battle of sarakamysh General Yudenich drove them to the very trapezund
  5. +3
    25 November 2015 18: 29
    Really like natural Westernists. Launched a rocket in the back and that’s it! Only such a joke in the war does not pass.
  6. +2
    25 November 2015 18: 29
    Strange, our plane was not equipped with an LTC? And why flew without the SUV-30?
    1. +5
      25 November 2015 19: 02
      Obviously, because there are 16 bombers and 12 attack aircraft, 4 Su-30s. And the LTC probably was there, but they did not know that they were being attacked. There was no attack warning station.
    2. +3
      25 November 2015 19: 47
      Quote: gukoyan
      And why flew without the SUV-30?

      By the fact that they have been flying there one at a time, to increase efficiency. The Barmalei didn’t have an air defense system, and no one could have thought of a tart from the Turks! Well they shouted that our friends are forever!
  7. +6
    25 November 2015 18: 30
    Turks always acted from under the silence
    1. +2
      25 November 2015 18: 32
      Yeah, and decided to fight with Russia only feeling the support of other states. However, this did not help them.
  8. +4
    25 November 2015 18: 30
    how meanly, in the back, behind. shame
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    2. +5
      25 November 2015 18: 53
      Quote: Scary_L.
      how meanly, in the back, behind. shame

      Unfortunately, the time of knightly battles remained in the distant past. The same Erich Hartman wrote about his favorite tactic of an attack from the clouds.
      1. 0
        26 November 2015 00: 14
        The Turks never had honest fights, they are not Samurai for you ...
  9. +4
    25 November 2015 18: 30
    In the best traditions of a cowardly gopota ...
  10. +5
    25 November 2015 18: 31
    Today, Putin, leaving the rink in Nizhny Tagil, tossed a bunch of keys in his hand. One can see something on the mind, it’s up to.
  11. +9
    25 November 2015 18: 31
    Now let the Turks cross the border now! They shot at ours? They shot. Can we believe them? Not! Shoot down! No regrets !!!! Our pilots must be alive. They will return to the Wives and hug their children. Not We started it.
  12. +26
    25 November 2015 18: 31
    The leader of the militants who shot the Su-24 pilot is the Turk, the son of the ex-mayor of the Turkish province.
    This one at the dishes that shot our pilots, this time should die a dog's death.
    Alpaslan Celik, who commanded the shooting of a Russian Su-24 pilot descending by parachute, turned out to be not a Syrian Turkman, but a Turk adhering to neo-fascist views.

    Recall that yesterday the leader of the militants who shot Lieutenant Colonel Oleg Peshkov posed for Reuters journalists with parts of the parachute of a Russian pilot and was pleased to tell how his people shot at Russians.

    By the way, the statement by the official representative of the US State Department that the Turkmens allegedly had the right to defend themselves by shooting defenseless pilots is cunning. These actions are a direct violation of the Geneva Convention, which prohibits the shooting of paratroopers who catapulted from a damaged plane.

    And, by the way, the leader of the militants was not a Turkman at all, but a Turk. His name is Alpaslan Celik, he is the son of the former mayor of Keban in the Turkish province of Elazig.

    According to media reports, Alpaslan left for Iraq a year ago to fight on the side of the Syrian Turkmens, and now has ended up in Syria, where he is fighting against Assad’s troops with other “moderate oppositionists”.

    There is also evidence that Alpaslan is a member of the Turkish youth organization Bozkurt (Gray Wolves). These are ultra-right Turkish nationalists who advocate the ideology of neo-fascism.

    http://rusvesna.su/news/1448461289
    1. +25
      25 November 2015 18: 38
      Throat cut. To everyone. And wrap it in pork skin, as General Ermolov did!
    2. +11
      25 November 2015 19: 39
      Son and father. In the second shot measures the city of Elazig, Turkey. So what does a Turkish citizen, the son of the mayor of Elazig in Syria do ??? He has a specific name - Alpaslan Celik. But in reality, he is not a Turkman, but a real Turk, originally from the city of Keban in the province of Elazig. Alpaslan is the son of the former mayor of this town, and the city itself is located in the center of Turkey
    3. +1
      26 November 2015 00: 15
      To this choked with their own blood ...
  13. +15
    25 November 2015 18: 31
    The Turks are still those magpies. Amer learn.
    For the family of the deceased pilot, a tragedy of universal proportions. The world collapsed.
    And some in different branches write about resorts. Have we become cynical? What is the matter with us?
    Relive without resorts! Wake us to the south.
  14. +3
    25 November 2015 18: 33
    It was an ambush. There were no doubts yesterday, and now even more so. The Turks wanted to play muscle. It was possible to search for pilots with the help of Turkoman not only as a trump card, but simply to eliminate them so that they could not tell how it was. In general, the guy has a long life, and Erdogan count un planed in the ass.
  15. +7
    25 November 2015 18: 34
    http://lenta.ru/news/2015/11/25/murakhtin/
    It seems that even the missile was launched for the purpose of the illuminated ground-based radar, because apparently the crew did not suspect anything about the launched rocket ... We must respond to such a vile spit!
  16. -26
    25 November 2015 18: 34
    It’s not clear. Why does the pilot read a piece of paper? Really, now I’m watching life news and shooting from the back. He reads. And this is not a person’s first-hand account. either it’s not at all the person for whom it claims to be, or what kind of setup I am.
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      2. +8
        25 November 2015 19: 39
        And you make it louder in time at 2.24 and then 6-8 seconds, you can even hear how it (the sheets) flips over, and pay attention to the eyes of reporters who involuntarily rush to where the action is ....
        And to be honest - that’s right, a warrior must observe a line of behavior in any situation, much less being abroad. And in that difficult situation, an extra word not thought out by him can do more harm than good.
        Thank you for staying alive !!!
        1. 0
          25 November 2015 19: 57
          So I'm still right. And minuscule people, instead of sorting it out, include urapatriotism. no one belittles the merit and does not mock the pilot. perhaps he is still in the hospital, and the other acts. Everything can be. Here and reads. it’s just annoying me that the gregarious impulse of the forum users, which is useless to fight. Here are such minuscule people who react to a normal reaction and an attempt to analyze, turn the site into a censor. There’s the same thing - almost in their opinion — right away, minus and what else (it happened go-read).
          1. 0
            26 November 2015 07: 25
            What analysis is what. That he is not that pilot, reads a piece of paper or not. People analyze the situation, and you dig in the trash can. What for.
            And nothing to do with cheers - patriotism. There is grief in people, and you climb with a dibious analysis. Well, it’s okay to analyze the situation with the downing of the plane - I understand. Well then what. Here answer you what is the difference - a piece of paper or not.
    2. +6
      25 November 2015 18: 54
      Quote: Kindzadza
      It’s not clear. Why does the pilot read a piece of paper? Really, now I’m watching life news and shooting from the back. He reads. And this is not a person’s first-hand account. either it’s not at all the person for whom it claims to be, or what kind of setup I am.


      What piece of paper ???? He stands with his back downcast.
      1. +4
        25 November 2015 19: 13
        It is useless to convince you all. Then anyway, someone else will write.
        1. +3
          25 November 2015 20: 19
          Quote: Kindzadza
          It is useless to convince you all. Then anyway, someone else will write.

          Is reading. Everyone saw it. Imagine yourself at the place of a navigator. All questions and answers are agreed.
          He cannot answer. But didn’t they interview the Nord-Ost audience after the release?
          This Man left the chase for 10 hours.
          Without a piece of paper there would only be a mate.
      2. 0
        25 November 2015 19: 13
        Quote: meriem1
        What piece of paper ??

        A man who does not understand what he is talking about. Just to blurt out !!
      3. +1
        25 November 2015 23: 52
        Journalists show him the text.
    3. +5
      25 November 2015 20: 44
      he looks at the microphones and speaks and behaves as a person is the first time giving an interview to journalists
      1. +1
        25 November 2015 21: 15
        This is in the direction of Kinzazi who does not understand what is talking
    4. +1
      26 November 2015 07: 21
      Damn where you just come from. To you what of this. YOU what. During a pain in the soul, the patient must be spoiled by others. Fake or not what difference does it make to you. Sick what you are.
  17. SIT
    +12
    25 November 2015 18: 34
    Turks and dill, rash creatures, the most filthy peoples, after the amers. You can ban.
    And the navigator said well about the debt for the commander. Well done
    1. 0
      25 November 2015 21: 18
      Rather, prostitutes are cheap
  18. +4
    25 November 2015 18: 35
    Everything is clear with the Turks, they actually were never our friends, but a good example from NATO countries. It seems that no one especially wants to fight for the Turks, and this is precisely what the Turkish authorities were trying to achieve. You can predict that we will hear from the Turks an apology already at the official level, because with Israel they tore off their shirt threatening war, and there was just a zilch ............ refused to buy Israeli UAVs.
    The Turkish Foreign Minister called his Russian counterpart Sergei Lavrov and expressed condolences over the crash of the Su-24 bomber, which was shot down on November 24 by the Turkish Air Force over Syrian territory.

    Reports about it RIA News.
    1. +6
      25 November 2015 18: 50
      In * opu let them stick their apologies!
      The train left...
    2. +3
      25 November 2015 20: 16
      Quote: APASUS
      brought condolences

      very, I’m waiting for condolences to the Turechchyna for the link of their fu16 driven into the ground.
  19. +12
    25 November 2015 18: 35
    Konstantin!
    The main thing is that you are alive!
    And sorry for the long "spasalovo"!

    Turks - STSUKI, POD.ONKI .....!

    And now "there" is "mochilovo" tough! Equalize, so to speak!
    Tired bye!
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    2. 0
      25 November 2015 20: 00
      Careful men! Although, I think it’s not worth asking. Now all the goals are open to us, now we can and should.
  20. bad
    +4
    25 November 2015 18: 37
    Quote: SIT
    Turks and dill, rash creatures, the most filthy peoples, after the amers. You can ban.
    And the navigator said well about the debt for the commander. Well done
    ..I agree + hi
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  22. +4
    25 November 2015 18: 40
    "Revenge must be served cold." Mafioso Don Carleone knew what to say ... Now ours are transferring S-400s to Syria, then something else ... And after that "something" in a regular mode, Turkish planes will begin to slowly fall to the ground ... As they say - there was no need to fly into Syrian territory for a couple of seconds, and even not to fly away after 20 warnings made by our guys in this couple of seconds! For, nefig! laughing
    1. 0
      26 November 2015 07: 31
      If only the commanders' nerves had not faltered and a command for destruction was given. And then, as in Soviet times, they were afraid to open fire. How not to provoke. Here it is necessary to destroy everything. Otherwise, the East does not understand.
  23. +10
    25 November 2015 18: 41
    Here we are constantly yelling that there is an article of the treaty that protects all NATO members from attack from outside.
    I always wanted to check ... is that so?)
    I wrote more than once in the comments on our sites, but what if the NATO country is not right, or the civil war in one of the countries ???
    Immediately banned and for a long time)
    1. +1
      25 November 2015 21: 42
      There is no such article there. There is something like that in the event of an attack, NATO is developing a response. Those. can, for example, express deep concern.
  24. -5
    25 November 2015 18: 44
    What the American Turks did is of course bad, but ours too cannot be trusted 100%. Information war after all.
    1. 0
      26 November 2015 18: 12
      Well, if the information war which side are you on??????????????
    2. 0
      26 November 2015 18: 12
      Well, if the information war which side are you on??????????????
  25. +1
    25 November 2015 18: 46
    Perdogan simply crossed out the developing Russian-Turkish relations with such meanness.
    Russia will not leave this unanswered, but, as has already been said, the retaliatory strike should be as accurate as possible. So that the Turks just squatted, opening their mouths wide.
    1. +2
      25 November 2015 18: 59
      The answer simply needs to be proportionate. Otherwise a shame.
      1. 0
        25 November 2015 22: 10
        Quote: 3axap82
        The answer simply needs to be proportionate. Otherwise a shame.


        Exactly!
        In general, it's a shame for the country. Euro News showed how "Ukrainian [b] activists [/" cut off the power to Crimea. Words are not enough, only mats in return. 2 million without energy - this is what the activists did, who are the terrorists then?
        1. 0
          26 November 2015 07: 33
          And it is insulting and sorry for the people.
    2. +1
      25 November 2015 19: 03
      Quote: RossMK
      Perdogan simply crossed out the developing Russian-Turkish relations with such meanness.
      Russia will not leave this unanswered, but, as has already been said, the retaliatory strike should be as accurate as possible. So that the Turks just squatted, opening their mouths wide.

      Or it was not beneficial for someone that Russian-Turkish relations were being established. Considering which block it is included in.
      1. +1
        25 November 2015 19: 17
        Who is this "someone" maybe? From this we can conclude that Turkey is only playing at political independence
        1. +1
          25 November 2015 19: 42
          Quote: RossMK
          Who is this "someone" maybe? From this we can conclude that Turkey is only playing at political independence

          At the head of "someone" is a Black Macaque in a white dugout.
    3. +1
      25 November 2015 19: 15
      Why a shame? The creation of an unmanned zone and the downing of Turkish aircraft in violation of the Syrian border will not exactly disgrace the Russian Federation. It is possible for the Kurds to plant some ATGMs and MANPADS.
  26. 0
    25 November 2015 18: 48
    Every day and every hour, with every redeployment of our troops, the rhetoric of Turkish officials is changing from militant to agree. Jackals! For them, there can only be one definition: power ... What a pity!
  27. +3
    25 November 2015 18: 49
    Eternal memory to the dead pilot, land in peace! soldier the terrorist who raised his hand to our flyer and marine wakes in hell, I think she will get there very soon. To the navigator of course health, survive Comrade. the captain had a lot during this day, but the most important thing is alive and well.
  28. +2
    25 November 2015 18: 50
    what about missile warning systems
    attack on SU-24 not?
    1. +2
      25 November 2015 18: 57
      There was a missile with IR guidance that could be guided through the optical channel, + they could be very close, so that ours would not leave
    2. +1
      25 November 2015 20: 15
      SPO-15 stands on it

      The SPO-15LM station (item B006 Birch LXNUMX) is designed to warn the crew about the exposure of their aircraft (from any direction) by anti-aircraft guided missiles (SAM), on-board radar intercept and aiming systems, as well as any radar equipment operating in range of this station.


      Station SPO-15LM provides:

      detection and determination of an accurate bearing of radiation in a horizontal plane from the front of the hemisphere and a coarse bearing of radiation (left and right) from the back of the hemisphere;
      determination of the direction of radiation (above or below) in a vertical plane;
      determination of parameters and operating mode of irradiating radar facilities;
      the solution to the dynamics of rapprochement with the main attacking means or removal from it;
      selection of the main (most dangerous) attacking means.

      Type of radiation: AI, NI.
      1. 0
        25 November 2015 22: 08
        But one question worries me: Why did our pilots on the SU-24 not see the Turkish F16 and actually did not see the missile itself?
        I am not a pro in this matter, but I think that on aircraft in such conditions (sortie), this type of detection equipment should work.
        It turns out that our equipment does not work as it should, since the navigator says that they did not see either the fighters or the rockets?
  29. +3
    25 November 2015 18: 51
    the Turks really wanted and hoped that none of the pilots would remain! this is now an emergency situation for them !!!
  30. +10
    25 November 2015 18: 52
    It seems to me that the USA ordered to bring down the plane of the Russian Federation and see what the reaction of Russia will be. If the Russian Federation cries out, cries out and calms down, they will continue to put pressure on all sides, and if there is an adequate answer, the United States will think many times whether it is worth contacting Russia. But this is just my opinion.
  31. +2
    25 November 2015 18: 52
    I have no words. Sick Ki. Moreover, both in Turkey and among the terrorists (well, they could take cattle in captivity, there was no need to have fun) and even in the NATO secretariat.

    and news link:
    http://cont.ws/post/153405

    Alpaslan Celik, who shot a parachute with a Su-24 pilot, calls himself a Turkmen, but in fact is a Turk with neo-fascist views.
    Here's the way the bastard photo:
    1. +2
      25 November 2015 22: 05
      Dude is not a tenant ... infa 100%. Our specialists will soon cut off their heads and push them into a pig.
  32. +4
    25 November 2015 18: 53
    Now Kostya Mitrokhin is for you many years. Almost everyone has buried you. You should not have survived under any pretext. Well, what will Erdoganishko say now?
  33. +1
    25 November 2015 18: 55
    It is clear that the Turks must be punished and the relationship is over. And I'm sorry that it happened. Turkey could be a very profitable partner of Russia. Dumb Erdogan ruined everything. Narrow-minded, greedy and vicious
    1. +2
      26 November 2015 00: 05
      More disgusting for Turkey and its enemies could not do! It was beneficial for them to be partners with Russia. Now, even if there is no Erdogan, if power changes in Turkey, if Turkey leaves NATO, we will never believe Turkey.
  34. +3
    25 November 2015 18: 56
    Glory and ETERNAL MEMORY to your commander!
    RETURN THE STURMAN for him to those who jackal on Syrian soil ...
    And the cowardly Turkish air jackals - pilots stained the honor, death will overtake, if not in the air, then in the most inappropriate place for them ...
    (such freaks must be "soaked in the toilet" so that they COLLECT with shit and their own blood,)
    And this Turkish citizen VBL # DKA (who shot the Russian pilot from the ground) "our people" WILL GET OUT!
    (just don’t kill the scum right away ..)
    1. +3
      25 November 2015 19: 21
      Heaven suddenly turned into hell for me
      A traitorous blow from around the corner ...
      I am a plane with the soul of man
      With special wing geometry.

      When they beat in the back, they know - they will not miss,
      What are the vulnerabilities ...
      And the pain that started somewhere in the fuselage,
      It pierces from the cab to the tail.

      What the hell is going on in this world ?!
      Do not see me through the fire and smoke.
      I'm not Charlie, I'm Su-Xnumx
      And where are the tablets with my name?

      Pique will tighten ... Dizziness
      Shuffles everything into a kaleidoscope.
      I have not been given a chance to escape
      I meet the inevitable directly in the forehead.

      Earth will embrace to take forever
      My recorder let him cover the darkness.
      I am a plane with the soul of man
      With special wing geometry.

      (c) Sergey Efimov
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  36. +3
    25 November 2015 18: 56
    Erdogan must be punished and tough
  37. 0
    25 November 2015 18: 58
    Here is a version from Shurygin, I don’t know how true this is, but. If this is true, then very serious questions arise for the command.
    ... http: //shurigin.livejournal.com/684657.html
  38. +1
    25 November 2015 19: 00
    "By their actions, the bandits directly violated the Geneva Convention, which prohibits the shooting of parachutists fleeing from a wrecked aircraft"

    By the way, on 18.00 25.11.15 from NATO countries, only Greece expressed condolences for the downed attack aircraft? https://russian.rt.com/article/132552
    Or is there someone else? After all, Stolnberg, a patient ok, didn’t even stutter ... Which once again emphasizes, they do not consider us people.

    Z.Y. What is interesting is the Western media stubbornly (already the second day) call the Su-24 fighter .....
  39. 0
    25 November 2015 19: 01
    Quote: Saratovets
    Erdogan must be punished and tough

    will be punished. and not only him.
  40. +3
    25 November 2015 19: 02
    "There is no other way to do peace with wolves, only by skinning them down!"
    I. Krylov

    Although what the fuck are wolves, jackals ...
  41. +1
    25 November 2015 19: 03
    Quote: Gomel

    http://cont.ws/post/153405
    Alpaslan Celik, who shot a parachute with a Su-24 pilot, calls himself a Turkmen, but in fact is a Turk with neo-fascist views.
    Here's the way the bastard photo:
  42. +4
    25 November 2015 19: 03
    HERE AND VIDEO FROM X..PLET
    1. 0
      25 November 2015 20: 08
      What is this video?
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      2. +1
        25 November 2015 20: 24
        the answer arrived am
  43. +2
    25 November 2015 19: 06
    That's what a Russian man does! Our rat politicians have a lot to learn!
  44. +4
    25 November 2015 19: 06
    Fighting friends will avenge the death of the pilot,
    family of the hero, we condole and worry.
  45. +2
    25 November 2015 19: 08
    For the first time, Russian infantry, supported by T-90 tanks and Su-25M attack aircraft, stormed the positions of opponents of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, the Kuwaiti newspaper Al-Rai writes, citing a high-ranking Syrian source.

    According to the publication, as a result of a five-hour battle, the ground forces of the Russian Federation occupied a strategic height between the provinces of Idlib and Latakia.

    "The operation used 130-mm artillery pieces in conjunction with aerial bombardment. These maneuvers became a preliminary test for the soldiers for their readiness for subsequent battles against terrorists in Syria. According to the Russian military, the Syrian army provided only logistical issues, not directly participating in fight ", - said the source.
    He also said that the Russian military, unlike the enemy, did not suffer losses. http://3mv.ru/publ/smi_rossija_vpervye_primenila_v_sirii_pekhotu_i_tanki/1-1-0-5-XNUMX
    0878
  46. +1
    25 November 2015 19: 10
    In the video, the navigator says something memorized, isn’t the actor for an hour? http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=2691080#
    1. +1
      25 November 2015 20: 11
      No, not an actor. It affects sleepless night and, of course, shock ...
      1. +1
        25 November 2015 21: 59
        Quote: Axis
        Affects a sleepless night

        Sleepless for more than a day. I think even after my own people had a lot of questions, they demanded immediate answers: "who shot, where did he go?"
    2. -1
      25 November 2015 20: 55
      and maybe this is the actor so that the real navigator does not shoot at the logos. otherwise who knows. as Müller said. (Stirlitz. Nowadays, no one can be trusted. Only yourself. Well, a little more to me.)
      1. +2
        25 November 2015 21: 11
        Quote: VOLOD
        as Muller said

        Do not distort the classics laughing

    3. 0
      26 November 2015 07: 41
      And you are an actor that cares that you were not invited to star.
  47. +1
    25 November 2015 19: 11
    Turks, as always, meanness is their nature ....
    1. 0
      26 November 2015 00: 12
      Slaves and children of slaves. What Turks, there is a mixture of blood! No geneticist can figure it out. For centuries, women were dragged to their harems from all over the world. Do you like to travel to Gelendzhik? White daughter in translation. The largest slave market, from where "goods" were transported straight to Istanbul.
  48. +2
    25 November 2015 19: 13
    Yes, everything is clear here. They were waiting for our plane. This is such Turkish revenge and jealousy. All this happened on the day of our president’s visit to Tehran. Given the difficult relations between Turkey and Iran and the contract for the supply of S-300, plus bunkers that were burnt. he and the result is a stab in the back. Nobody was going to warn our crew, they put him in the bushes
  49. mvg
    +5
    25 November 2015 19: 13
    Quote: GSH-18
    I think that Konstantin Mitrokhin can and should be transplanted to the Su-35 after recovery. So that he could return the "favor" for the commander to a known party with interest! am


    Lord, Dear, well, buy yourself a little mozgoff ... I understand that the chances to settle down are practically "zero", but at least you will spend the money normally ..
    Well, why constantly carry nonsense? Meaningful hallucinations What comments do you give? Read your comments at your leisure.
    This is STURMAN. Not a fighter pilot! His case is at stake.
    There is a normal, almost professional site .. and a bunch of cheers-idiots. What doesn’t suit you with a battle-no, or tanks, or boats .. At the end of the concoff there is FIFA, you can put Bail or Isko or Robben in Zhirkov’s place .. Not so bloodthirsty, but interesting ..
    I apologize to the moderators. Has accumulated.
    1. +3
      25 November 2015 19: 39
      And it’s the navigator who aims and drops bombs and launches missiles.
    2. 0
      25 November 2015 19: 39
      And it’s the navigator who aims and drops bombs and launches missiles.
  50. +3
    25 November 2015 19: 15
    Turkey and Ukraine are of the same berry field ... so it's time to plow this field with bombing raids and in their place create a second Grand Canyon so that the Americans can see from their mongrels-servants that the so-called "miracle of nature" can also be created by Russia.
    1. +2
      25 November 2015 19: 23
      Quote: Roman13
      to create a second Grand Canyon so that the Americans can see from their mongrel servants that the so-called "miracle of nature" can also be created by Russia.

      So we can roll away the whole planet because of these deer, but what about the citadel of democracy?
  51. +2
    25 November 2015 19: 16
    In our minds, we need to hold a big press conference in Moscow with an invitation to all the world’s media and present our captain as living proof of a war crime by the Erdogan regime and the Turkish Air Force in the Syrian sky.
  52. +1
    25 November 2015 19: 17
    It would be very interesting to see the result of a meeting in the airspace of the SAR not of an SU-24 with an F-16, but, say, of an SU-30 with an F-16.

    Although, of course, it is clear that if our fighter (SU-24, 30 or something else) had been in the air at that time in the place of the SU-27, the Turks would not have come close.
  53. +1
    25 November 2015 19: 19
    Quote: yushch
    Quote: Scary_L.
    how meanly, in the back, behind. shame

    Unfortunately, the time of knightly battles remained in the distant past. The same Erich Hartman wrote about his favorite tactic of an attack from the clouds.

    During a war, this can still be accepted; in war, all means are good. But we were not at war with Turkey
  54. +2
    25 November 2015 19: 33
    Yes, Turkey was and will always be an enemy - the whole history is an example of this - and Russia has always hammered it
  55. +1
    25 November 2015 19: 34
    To the hero's family! Condolences and eternal memory in our hearts!
  56. +1
    25 November 2015 19: 34
    Isn’t it time to nail a shield to the gates of Constantinople (Istanbul, that is). This has already happened in world history...
  57. +1
    25 November 2015 19: 39
    And the rocket suddenly hit the tail of our plane.

    Guys, what is it about the tail of the SU-24 that makes it burn like a torch?
    And I’m happy for the pilot, happy for his family and friends! and you and I will learn the truth firsthand.
  58. +1
    25 November 2015 19: 40
    let Istanbul burn
  59. +5
    25 November 2015 19: 44
    Oleg Peshkov, Alexander Pozynich!
    RIP TO YOU! soldier
    Sleep guys, we will take revenge!
  60. 0
    25 November 2015 19: 44
    The Turks are real nerds and bastards...
  61. 0
    25 November 2015 19: 45
    Eldogan is in deep shit.
    It seems to me that now he can go further. There is no turning back. Plan, along the way too. After Sturman’s revelations, NATO will generally stick his tongue in his mouth, and the eldogan will be left alone with his subjects. And they will have specific complaints.
    It's time to look for refuge somewhere. On the Moon, for example...
  62. 0
    25 November 2015 19: 45
    Quote: Dr. Bormental
    great comment .. here now a mosaic has gathered in my brain ... it seems I was thinking that the planned action, but still didn’t line up .. everything is true ... there are too many coincidences. Only the last question remains, why all this?

    the monkey doesn't speak yet am
  63. mvg
    +2
    25 November 2015 19: 50
    A person who doesn't understand what he's talking about. Just to blurt out!![quote=sssla][quote=meriem1]On what piece of paper??[/quote]

    How to put it mildly... sad I'm a mutt myself... I apologize for answering, but your cap blew off. There are some rules of communication in the forum. And your emotions are inappropriate.
    The fact that Ours was shot down is a fact. We need to be a little patient and demonstratively take revenge, so that “our revenge is terrible,” but the fact that it is not the captain who is giving the interview is most likely. It was not for nothing that the media said that the navigator was delivered to the base alive... Just ALIVE. I think that the dushmans beat him a little, bitches... And the answers he gives are not very professional. This is true.
    Take care of your nerves.
  64. +1
    25 November 2015 19: 50
    Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, before deciding to destroy a Russian aircraft on the border with Syria, enlisted the support of his American counterpart Barack Obama on this issue. This is reported immediately by a number of Arab media, citing information from a source in the Turkish presidential administration.
    As noted, this happened during the recent GXNUMX Summit in Antalya. Erdogan during a personal meeting with Obama asked him for permission to strike on a Russian plane. According to media reports, Obama answered with an affirmative nod.
    Original here: http://lifenews.ru/news/171808
    It couldn’t have happened without amers - it was immediately clear
  65. 0
    25 November 2015 19: 54
    “We didn’t even visually observe it in order to have time to make an anti-missile maneuver.”
    belay Those. like this, but there is no warning system or something like that!
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  67. 0
    25 November 2015 20: 04
    Very soon I hope the Turks and Daesh will be coughing up blood
  68. 0
    25 November 2015 20: 04
    That's right!! Our people don't give up!! The handsome navigator was able to move away from the jackals of Daesh-"SHEP"!! You will take revenge, you will avenge the commander, don't doubt it!! soldier
  69. 0
    25 November 2015 20: 09
    Why is there such confidence that the plane was Turkish and that a Turk was at the helm? what
  70. mvg
    +1
    25 November 2015 20: 10
    Quote: Loginoff
    And it’s the navigator who aims and drops bombs and launches missiles.

    Just not piloting, not choosing an angle of attack, not choosing a scenario for a battle. Not the person who “plays” as number one... not the one who evaluates the situation...
    And not the person who sits at the helm (joystick) of the Su-35S, which are not in Syria, in order to “revenge”... You also think that “give me a rifle and give me a horse”...
    I heard here not so long ago, in a famous film, about “Durakoff and 100 years”. Have you turned 17? Or is there more to come?
    Not the one who knows the operating modes of the engine, the remaining fuel, the weapons of the infidels, their tactics, advantages... etc. Let's play IQ...
  71. cap
    0
    25 November 2015 20: 13
    FROM INTERVIEW OF SU-24 NAVIGATION
    -In fact, there were no warnings. Neither by radio traffic nor visually. There was no contact at all. Therefore, we entered the combat course as normal,” the pilot said.

    — You need to understand what speed a bomber has and what speed an F16 fighter has. If they wanted to warn us, they could have shown themselves by taking a parallel course. But nothing happened. And the rocket suddenly hit the tail of our plane. We didn’t even visually observe it in order to have time to make an anti-missile maneuver,” he said.

    The navigator said that he intends to ask to return to the base in Syria in order to “return the favor” for the commander, the deceased Su-24 pilot.

    Now the truth has emerged.
  72. +1
    25 November 2015 20: 14
    It’s not clear. Why does the pilot read a piece of paper? Really, now I’m watching life news and shooting from the back. He reads. And this is not a person’s first-hand account. either it’s not at all the person for whom it claims to be, or what kind of setup I am.

    Yes, even if it’s on a piece of paper, then what’s the big deal? The situation in the world is tense and it is necessary that every word be weighed in order to avoid misunderstandings.
  73. +2
    25 November 2015 20: 16
    Quote: KG_patriot_last
    Bombing with tactical nuclear weapons

    That’s why all neighboring countries and the south of Russia will be happy fool
  74. +5
    25 November 2015 20: 19
    Yesterday I watched how our pilots descended by parachute and my heart bled - right on the heads of the ISIS fighters.
    The question is - why are unique ejection systems developed and at the same time, no one seems to care about the future fate of the pilots?
    But if the plane was shot down, it was most likely over enemy territory. This happened in Afghanistan and Chechnya, Georgia, and now in Syria.
    To this, as we now see in Syria, are added casualties among the rescue team (apart from the pilot, a contract marine was killed, it’s good that there were no casualties among others).
    Why don't designers think about making a system that would allow pilots to glide away from the enemy's location (as well as from other dangerous places - water spaces, gorges, areas where there is a fire, etc.).
    I would like Shoigu to pay attention to this - he is a thinking man, he introduces a lot of new things (both in the Ministry of Emergency Situations and in the Ministry of Defense).
    The most interesting thing is that there are already designs (developed by amateurs!!!) that allow a person to fly.
    1. +2
      25 November 2015 20: 28
      Apparently they wrote at the same time)
      Although it must be said that my requests were much more modest and extended only to changing the type of parachute from a canopy to a glider.
  75. +1
    25 November 2015 20: 22
    I am not an aviation expert, but I would like to understand and will be glad if someone answers. In the video where the parachute is shown descending, it (the parachute) seemed to be domed. Why not a wing? Again, perhaps this is the opinion of the average person, but IMHO, if it were a wing parachute, it could allow the pilot to move further away from the ejection site or, if necessary, to carry out the descent more quickly, which would allow him to avoid shelling from the ground.
    1. 0
      26 November 2015 00: 22
      I’m certainly not an expert, but it seems to me that the issue is the area of ​​the parachute. The wing will take longer to deploy, and ejection often does not occur at high altitude, which means every fraction of a second can matter.
  76. +4
    25 November 2015 20: 22
    Quote: Sterlya
    Everywhere they collected all the data. And given this plane alone, without any cover. Without means of warning about a missile attack (and I thought in my own way that in our time all combat aircraft are equipped with such systems)

    But they didn’t think about targeting the F16 from the ground. The surveillance radars probably saw drying...and where the thread was sitting below there was a pair of efaks with the radar turned off. Ours may have seen that they were being irradiated by the radar, but the search and tracking mode differed in the intensity of the signal. Therefore, flying there every day, they saw that the Turkish radar saw them... but the fact that it brought a fighter to them was not. The Efke jumps out at 6 km-several seconds, uses sidewinders - they are with a passive seeker... So the Efka pilot clearly saw the target visually... deliberately turned off the radar so as not to scare the Su24.
  77. +2
    25 November 2015 20: 29
    Quote: sannych
    But what about 10 warnings in 8 seconds? They lie, the Janissaries are bad.


    They still can’t forgive us for Crimea and Azov (when our Cossack women were an overwhelming minority). So, “JANISSAR”, alas, does not sound “PRIDE”. These are animals, no matter what they did in Armenia. My great-grandfather became a Knight of St. George in the “Russian-Turkish” company.
  78. +1
    25 November 2015 20: 30
    I'm posting...

    (c) vk.com
    Heaven suddenly turned into hell for me
    A traitorous blow from around the corner ...
    I am a plane with the soul of man
    With special wing geometry.

    When they beat in the back, they know - they will not miss,
    What are the vulnerabilities ...
    And the pain that started somewhere in the fuselage,
    It pierces from the cab to the tail.

    What the hell is going on in this world ?!
    Do not see me through the fire and smoke.
    I'm not Charlie, I'm Su-Xnumx
    And where are the tablets with my name?

    Pique will tighten ... Dizziness
    Shuffles everything into a kaleidoscope.
    I have not been given a chance to escape
    I meet the inevitable directly in the forehead.

    Earth will embrace to take forever
    My recorder let him cover the darkness.
    I am a plane with the soul of man
    With special wing geometry.
    (c) Sergey Efimov

    Original news RT in Russian:
    https://russian.rt.com/article/132681
  79. mvg
    0
    25 November 2015 20: 34
    Quote: Loginoff
    And it’s the navigator who aims and drops bombs and launches missiles.

    Somehow they lost my answer... I apologize. It was interesting there, about the navigator, and about aerobatics, and about assessing the combat situation, and about the angle of attack, the choice of tactics and battle strategy... And about the “first” number of the crew. And about the fact that it is the fighter pilot who is preparing for air combat, who knows the characteristics of air-to-air missiles, the capabilities of the aircraft... And, unfortunately, he doesn’t know “Loginoff”... well, I just haven’t heard... it happens. ..
    The navigator is, of course, a cool guy... He has his own tricks... And not the simplest ones, perhaps even more interesting than the pilot's... But there is a difference between the Su-24 navigator and the Su-35 pilot, which are in Syria no... And the GSh-18 is just an idiot.. Without entrance exams he will pass the Urapatriot exams..
    1. 0
      25 November 2015 23: 00
      Quote: mvg
      But there is a difference between a Su-24 navigator and a Su-35 pilot, which are not in Syria... And the GSh-18 is just an idiot... Without entrance exams he will pass the exams to become a patriot..

      Maybe he confused 35 with 34? On the 34th he is also a navigator.
  80. +2
    25 November 2015 20: 40
    It's nice to know that we have so many patriots who love not only their country but also how it helps friends and allies. But let's put our hand on our hearts and ask ourselves: "Is this a war on terrorism?" And having answered: “Yes,” we ask, what kind of sloppiness is this, flying to destroy terrorists and knowing in advance that the Turks have already promised to shoot down ours and continue to fly without cover? Are we in a war or on a hunt, where we are sure that the target will not hunt you? Where is the real desire to minimize losses? Our country needs living Russian heroes.
  81. cap
    +1
    25 November 2015 20: 43
    At the G20 summit, Obama approved the plan of Erdogan to destroy the plane of the Russian Federation
    This was stated by a source in Turkish government circles.
    Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, before deciding to destroy a Russian aircraft on the border with Syria, enlisted the support of his American counterpart Barack Obama on this issue. This is reported immediately by a number of Arab media, citing information from a source in the Turkish presidential administration.
    As noted, this happened during the recent GXNUMX Summit in Antalya. Erdogan during a personal meeting with Obama asked him for permission to strike on a Russian plane. According to media reports, Obama answered with an affirmative nod.
    - It is obvious that the Turkish leader suffers from severe insomnia caused by the actions of the Russian air forces in Syria, which destroy the oil infrastructure of ISIS. And there is no secret that Turkey is the main importer of smuggled oil at low prices from territories controlled by ISIS *, - the publication Mepanorama notes.
    — Sources close to the Turkish presidential administration quote Erdogan, who at a meeting with Obama suggested that he shoot down
    Russian plane. After thinking for a minute, Obama nodded, the publication said.
    Something like this.
    I couldn’t drag a clipping from a Turkish newspaper.
    I was passing by and read it by chance. hi
  82. 0
    25 November 2015 20: 43
    Captain Konstantin Mitrokhin. Living on the third street of construction workers.... I have no words. Morons b... ps Happiness and health to you, pilot. To you, your children, your relatives.
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  84. +2
    25 November 2015 20: 51
    Gentlemen, for the second day in a row, there is chatter on all channels about who the Turks are and how to fight them. People resist, discuss, are indignant, but everything has already been decided long ago. The fact is that it is not the military that decides, not the people, but the money bags. The nuclear power plant about which Mr. PU speaks about the need is being implemented (the state invests money from the people’s pockets, Turkey pays with electricity!? There will be a Turkish Stream gas pipeline, the state invests the people’s billions to lay the pipe, Turkey builds a hub and gives money back from the sale. War is war, and oligarchs on their own. Explain why some lay down their heads for the Fatherland, while others commit adventures for the people's money, saying: “The people's pocket is common, but they are not subject to discussion or condemnation?
    1. +1
      25 November 2015 21: 41
      Putin: Russia will develop as Yeltsin wanted

      This is the answer to your questions.
      source: http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=2691111&cid=7
  85. Erg
    +1
    25 November 2015 20: 51
    A “piquant” situation has arisen - Russia has an embassy in a country that not only supports terrorists, but in fact creates them. Trade worth billions... Joint projects... So what? Shall we tear everything apart? Or is it “our sons of bitches.” Did you see how the Ottomans jumped for joy in the streets when they learned about our grief?..
  86. +1
    25 November 2015 20: 55
    Quote: Baikonur
    The Turkish Air Force has long been collecting data on the routes and times of our flights.

    what to collect? Ours themselves report to them about their flights, corridors and where they are flying. Here another “ally” appeared - the French. Are we going to expect a blow from them?
  87. 0
    25 November 2015 20: 59
    Quote: Belarus
    The leader of the militants who shot the Su-24 pilot is the Turk, the son of the ex-mayor of the Turkish province.
    This one at the dishes that shot our pilots, this time should die a dog's death.
    Alpaslan Celik, who commanded the shooting of a Russian Su-24 pilot descending by parachute, turned out to be not a Syrian Turkman, but a Turk adhering to neo-fascist views.

    Recall that yesterday the leader of the militants who shot Lieutenant Colonel Oleg Peshkov posed for Reuters journalists with parts of the parachute of a Russian pilot and was pleased to tell how his people shot at Russians.

    By the way, the statement by the official representative of the US State Department that the Turkmens allegedly had the right to defend themselves by shooting defenseless pilots is cunning. These actions are a direct violation of the Geneva Convention, which prohibits the shooting of paratroopers who catapulted from a damaged plane.

    And, by the way, the leader of the militants was not a Turkman at all, but a Turk. His name is Alpaslan Celik, he is the son of the former mayor of Keban in the Turkish province of Elazig.

    According to media reports, Alpaslan left for Iraq a year ago to fight on the side of the Syrian Turkmens, and now has ended up in Syria, where he is fighting against Assad’s troops with other “moderate oppositionists”.

    There is also evidence that Alpaslan is a member of the Turkish youth organization Bozkurt (Gray Wolves). These are ultra-right Turkish nationalists who advocate the ideology of neo-fascism.

    http://rusvesna.su/news/1448461289




    Yes, he should live and live longer, but...
  88. 0
    25 November 2015 21: 11
    Why isn’t his face shown? And why is he reading the text from a piece of paper? It’s somehow strange...
    1. +1
      25 November 2015 22: 11
      You are probably the tenth person in this comment thread asking this question, put yourself in his place, after your plane was hit by a missile, after it ejected and immediately became a target for 3/14dars in turbans, after 10 hours of hiding in the mountains from bearded assholes with machine guns, and in these hide-and-seek games it’s clear what the stakes are. It’s good that you have the strength and self-control to read, even from a piece of paper. He does not show his face in order to protect his safety and the safety of his loved ones. I wouldn’t be surprised if the navigator’s name was changed for the same purposes (but not a fact)./
      1. 0
        25 November 2015 23: 32
        Who wrote the text for him? and what is the security if the first and last name is given?
        In 2014, the Lipetsk portal Gorod48 reported on the awarding of the winners of Aviadarts-2014, among whom was the best Su-24M crew from the Lipetsk aviation center - pilot captain Stanislav Gasanov and navigator Konstantin Murakhtin. For their victory they were awarded a Land Rover Freelander. Among the photographs in Odnoklassniki, Murakhtin also has a photo of his son with a cup in front of a Land Rover with the emblem of the Aviadarts 2014 show.

        something is wrong with this video
  89. +1
    25 November 2015 21: 17
    “Turkish leaders” are making new statements about friendship with Russia as if nothing happened. "
    Russia has been and remains a friend of Turkey, and Ankara does not want to sever relations with Moscow after the Su-24 incident, Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu said on Wednesday at a meeting of the parliamentary faction of the Justice and Development Party (AKP) he heads.
    "We do not and cannot have any intention to sever ties with Russia after this incident, to be in a state of tension with it. Russia is our friend, neighbor and a very important partner. Bilateral relations cannot be sacrificed. Now all channels for communication are available "We are open, we mutually attach great importance to them. However, I want to emphasize that in terms of ensuring national security, any friendly relations must be based on respect for the right of each country to defend its territory," Davutoglu said.
    http://www.pravda.ru/news/world/25-11-2015/1283785-turkey-0/
    1. 0
      26 November 2015 00: 29
      From the podium this Davutoglu is yelling that he personally gave the order to shoot down the Russian plane. What other evidence is needed?
  90. +1
    25 November 2015 21: 26
    1950, September 4. At 12:44 a.m., a twin-engine A-20 bomber was attacked by 11 American aircraft near the island of Khayon Dao and shot down. The remains of pilot Lieutenant Gennady Mishin were returned to their homeland in 1956. The fate of the other two crew members is still unknown.
    1952, November 18. 30 - 35 kilometers south of Cape Gamow (Sea of ​​Japan) a battle took place between a group of American aircraft and four Soviet MiG-15 fighters. Three Soviet planes were shot down, and the pilots - captain N. Belyakov, Pakhomkin and Vandaev were killed. One of the MiGs piloted by Pushkarev did not enter the battle and returned to the airfield.
    1953, July 27. An Il-12 passenger plane flying from Port Arthur to Vladivostok was attacked by four American fighters. The plane's crew and passengers, 21 people in total, were killed.
    1964, July 17. The crew of the Tu-16R aircraft, located 200 km east of the coast of Japan, reported the discovery of an American aviation group. After this, communication with the plane stopped. Nothing is known about the fate of the 7 crew members.

    1968, May 25. A Tu-16r aircraft flying over the Norwegian Sea reported the discovery of the American aircraft carrier Essex. After the report, the plane caught fire and fell into the sea. The wreckage of the destroyed aircraft and the remains of three crew members found during the search and rescue operation were transferred to a Soviet destroyer with tail number 311 that approached the scene of the tragedy. Nothing is known about the fate of the remaining 4 pilots.
    This is so offhand, and there are a lot of such incidents, but for some reason no one shouted guard as this is happening now
  91. +1
    25 November 2015 21: 42
    The worst thing about it all is that everyone was subconsciously waiting for the first losses, in any military action there are them, many expected that the terrorists would have MANPADS... well, or maybe they could get it with cannon artillery..., after all, any equipment with active use gets tired or something like that... but “stab in the back”... I’ll be honest, this option was never even in my thoughts.
  92. +1
    25 November 2015 21: 54
    As soon as the S-400 starts operating, Syria has the right to refuse any aircraft to fly in its airspace.
    Well, there... As they say, whoever didn’t hide is not my fault.
  93. 0
    25 November 2015 21: 57
    Quote: andrei.guc
    And having answered: “Yes,” we ask, what kind of sloppiness is this, flying to destroy terrorists and knowing in advance that the Turks have already promised to shoot down ours and continue to fly without cover?

    If you had also told me how to do it, there would be no price. Until recently, the air group in Syria consisted of 50 aircraft and helicopters. Now it has been increased to 69 aircraft. It consists (in Syria) of 12SU-34, approximately 30 SU-24M, 12 SU-25SM and a total of 8 fighters: 4 SU-27SM and 4SU-30SM. That is, there are more than 5 strike aircraft per fighter. How to accompany. And considering that on average there are 143 sorties per day, how can we provide cover for everyone?
  94. +1
    25 November 2015 21: 59
    The navigator says that the rocket hit them suddenly. This is very, very bad! If you think about it, one old F-16 of theirs can knock down our entire air group at once! But the SU-24 is not a civilian airliner or an I-16, it is a modern military aircraft! And he has no protection? Even a modern tank can neutralize a shell fired at it from a cannon! This is a huge minus for the developers and designers of our military aircraft! This is a bitter and very bitter lesson! And immediate conclusions must be drawn from it! Immediately introduce changes and additions to the aircraft design so that there is no such “suddenness”!
    And to our pilots my deepest respect and respect, rest in peace to those who died!
    1. 0
      25 November 2015 22: 59
      That’s what I’m talking about, without a warning system, it’s hardwired, it’s kind of strange.
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  96. +1
    25 November 2015 22: 02
    As has already been correctly noted, the action was completely planned.
    And Putin’s reservation that there were militants from Russia there may not be accidental. Perhaps a group was being prepared there to be sent to Russia, in retaliation for intervention in the conflict in Syria. And the Turks covered this crossing, but the pilot said that they were on a combat course, and then they were shot down.
    All interested parties have been named, and we already know them all very well.
    We will wait for concrete actions by Russia in response to this crime. So far, there has been an unambiguous threat of deterioration in relations with Turkey.
    Of course there won’t be a war, and we don’t need one. But first, actions of at least an economic nature must be taken.
    Well, it seems to me that our Defense Ministry needs to finally get serious about the matter of rescuing the body of the killed pilot. For good measure, we need to apply the version of the “Israeli response” expressed in previous articles in the commentary on this topic. Although the guys in the comments turned this into a joke (they like to at least make fun of Jewish commentators on this site), we really need to apply the “Israeli response.”
    It is necessary to carry out a special operation to search for the body of the deceased pilot. With subsequent removal to Russian territory. And not to bargain with bandits mocking the body of the hero.
    And then use cruise missiles and bombs to burn out all the bases and firing points identified during this special operation. Use all the tools of war that are possible. Since we are using strategic bombers and cruise missiles of the Navy with all our might, then for the sake of revenge we must use all our power against these Turkish terrorists, which Russia can use to strike in Syria. At the same time, both Turkey and “all civilized people” will look at what we can use next time in Turkey.
    In the meantime, I only see 2 Mi-8s sent to search for pilots, 1 of which has already been shot down. Thank God one pilot was saved, very lucky. It would be interesting to know how he was found, or how he himself escaped from the terrorists.
    It’s a pity, of course, that we don’t have enough attack helicopters in Syria. Along the way, the time has come to transfer the Mi-28, and possibly the Ka-52, to Syria. Mi-24s alone won’t make a difference there, or at least it is necessary to strengthen the Mi-24 helicopter group. So that there are 50-80 of them. If now they really want to involve Kuznetsov in the operation in Syria, then they could strengthen his air group Ka- 52K. For spot operations. They weren’t produced much, but that’s enough for a start. In the absence of a Mistral, that’s also an option. By the way, what prevents you from using simple Ka-52s? They are almost similar in size. And Kuznetsov’s planes (if the planes can still fit into it) should be used for air safety in the air.
    I also think that it was necessary to show the hero’s face in the interview. We have nothing to be ashamed of the faces of our soldiers. The USSR was guilty of this at one time, but it seems to me that it is necessary to get rid of this habit.
    Look at the USA, where military personnel who have proven themselves well in the art of war are turned into heroes. They write articles about them, show interviews, etc.
    Of course, we shouldn’t copy them completely (we always have our own Russian way)), but the Motherland should know its heroes. Moreover, the names of both pilots are known, and the appearance of their photographs is a temporary matter. It's time for us to use the propaganda machine in the right direction. Of course, we have already learned some things, but we don’t fully use them.
  97. 0
    25 November 2015 22: 02
    As has already been correctly noted, the action was completely planned.
    And Putin’s reservation that there were militants from Russia there may not be accidental. Perhaps a group was being prepared there to be sent to Russia, in retaliation for intervention in the conflict in Syria. And the Turks covered this crossing, but the pilot said that they were on a combat course, and then they were shot down.
    All interested parties have been named, and we already know them all very well.
    We will wait for concrete actions by Russia in response to this crime. So far, there has been an unambiguous threat of deterioration in relations with Turkey.
    Of course there won’t be a war, and we don’t need one. But first, actions of at least an economic nature must be taken.
    Well, it seems to me that our Defense Ministry needs to finally get serious about the matter of rescuing the body of the killed pilot. For good measure, we need to apply the version of the “Israeli response” expressed in previous articles in the comments on this topic. Although the guys in the comments turned this into a joke (they like to at least make fun of Jewish commentators on this site), we really need to apply the “Israeli response.”
    It is necessary to carry out a special operation to search for the body of the deceased pilot. With subsequent removal to Russian territory. And not to bargain with bandits mocking the body of the hero.
    And then use cruise missiles and bombs to burn out all the bases and firing points identified during this special operation. Use all the tools of war that are possible. Since we are using strategic bombers and cruise missiles of the Navy with all our might, then for the sake of revenge we must use all our power against these Turkish terrorists, which Russia can use to strike in Syria. At the same time, both Turkey and “the entire civilized world” will look at what we can use next time in Turkey.
    In the meantime, I only see 2 Mi-8s sent to search for pilots, 1 of which has already been shot down. Thank God one pilot was saved, very lucky. It would be interesting to know how he was found, or how he himself escaped from the terrorists.
    It’s a pity, of course, that we don’t have enough attack helicopters in Syria. Along the way, the time has come to transfer the Mi-28, and possibly the Ka-52, to Syria. Mi-24s alone won’t make a difference there, or at least it is necessary to strengthen the Mi-24 helicopter group. So that there are 50-80 of them. If now they really want to involve Kuznetsov in the operation in Syria, then they could strengthen his air group Ka- 52K. For spot operations. They weren’t produced much, but that’s enough for a start. In the absence of a Mistral, that’s also an option. By the way, what prevents you from using simple Ka-52s? They are almost similar in size. And Kuznetsov’s planes (if the planes can still fit into it) should be used for air safety in the air.
    I also think that it was necessary to show the hero’s face in the interview. We have nothing to be ashamed of the faces of our soldiers. The USSR was guilty of this at one time, but it seems to me that it is necessary to get rid of this habit.
    Look at the USA, where military personnel who have proven themselves well in the art of war are turned into heroes. They write articles about them, show interviews, etc.
    Of course, we shouldn’t copy them completely (we always have our own Russian way)), but the Motherland should know its heroes. Moreover, the names of both pilots are known, and the appearance of their photographs is a temporary matter. It's time for us to use the propaganda machine in the right direction. Of course, we have already learned some things, but we don’t fully use them.
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    25 November 2015 22: 10
    Let us remember the fallen pilot and marine.

    Crew commander - Lieutenant Colonel Oleg Peshkov

    Captain Konstantin Murakhtin
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      Let us remember the fallen pilot and marine. Crew commander - Lieutenant Colonel Oleg PeshkovCaptain Konstantin Murakhtin

      YOU must state it correctly, once you started...otherwise it all comes out in a heap
      drying commander OLEG PESHKOV
      Marine contractor ALEXANDER POZYNICH
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      26 November 2015 15: 56
      Guilty. I apologize for the mistake. Well, I took a hundred grams, my attentiveness weakened...

      I wrote to the moderator asking him to delete this comment. At night, he deleted all my comments on this article, except this one.

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