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Bobruisk. Belorussia. Base or not base? ..

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The head of the operational management of the General Staff of the Aerospace Force, Alexander Lyapkin, on the eve of the news told the media that Russia is planning to transfer 12 fighter jets and helicopter units of its HVS to Bobruisk (Belarus) in the near future. Information Agency TASS cites the statement of the official representative of the Russian Aerospace Force:


The airfield of the aviation unit is determined to be the airport of Bobruisk. The composition of the Russian aviation base and its organizational structure.


Yes, yes, we heard it right. Alexander Lyapkin said precisely “the composition of the Russian aviation base,” and he said this with reference to the Belarusian Bobruisk, whose airfield had been waiting for its revival for a long time.

Bobruisk. Belorussia. Base or not base? ..


Alexander Lyapkin:
It is planned to maintain one fighter aircraft squadron at the aerodrome — 12 combat aircraft and a helicopter unit — four transport combat Mi-8.


Attention is drawn to the fact that the head of the operational department of the Main Staff of the Russian Aerospace Forces, stated the actual process of creating a Russian air base a day before the meeting of Russian President Vladimir Putin with his Belarusian counterpart Alexander Lukashenko. But precisely this meeting (scheduled for November 26) must put an end to the question of whether to be a Russian military air base on the territory of Belarus or not. A certain piquancy in this situation adds the fact that just a couple of days before the presidential elections in the Republic of Belarus, Alexander Lukashenko said that there is no question of any Russian military base on the Belarusian territoryand that all the conversations on this topic are the machinations of Russian journalists who are not distinguished by competence in this matter.

But if the representative of the General Staff of the Russian Aerospace Forces says that the airplanes of the Aerospace Forces of Russia will be transferred to Bobruisk, therefore, the issue of creating a Russian air base has been resolved? You can, of course, to Alexander Grigorievich was not particularly offended come up with a more neutral term - for example, the Joint Belarusian-Russian Aviation Center. No, not a Russian base, but just an air center, and that joint one ... Well, one must learn some experience from Western partners, who "do not have a single military base," but there are special and coordinating centers, interstate military associations, temporary points dislocations and everything in the same spirit ...

It is worth noting that in September, interdepartmental consultations were held on the creation of an air base in Belarus. Consultations between the two countries of the same Union State were conducted through both the ministries of defense and in the format of negotiations between representatives of the foreign affairs agencies. And, as the same Alexander Lyapkin reports, the agreement has been prepared, it remains to sign it, and it will immediately enter into force.

For obvious reasons, the President of Belarus Alexander Lukashenko does not want to advertise the creation of an air base in the country. After all, we should not forget that the President of the Republic of Belarus has the EU, as it were, on a “probationary period” - in relation to the Republic of Belarus, including its head, Brussels temporarily canceled a number of sanctions measures. According to Brussels, before February 2016. Like, we will observe the behavior of Lukashenka, and if we (the Europeans led by Washington) like it (behavior), we can extend the unauthorized period for But father for some time. There is an obvious attempt to show Minsk that he has a chance ... What is the chance? Well, of course, in that Lukashenka did not even think of going further rapprochement with Russia, at the same time, if possible, solving the Western task of containing the Russian Federation.

But in the current situation, silence about the deployment of fighter squadrons in Belarus is a huge risk for the same Alexander Lukashenko. And the President of Belarus, as an intelligent and experienced politician, understands perfectly well for what purposes the West needs it, and what is really the background of the temporary lifting of part of the anti-Belarusian sanctions. If only not two chairs ... If only not two chairs ...

What may happen in the near future, if Moscow and Minsk continue to consider the territory of the Russian Federation and Belarus not as a single Union State, but as two separate states with different interests, the head of Polish diplomacy, Witold Vashchikovsky, actually says. According to this man, clearly distinguished by "big love" for Russia, in Brussels urgently have to terminate the agreement "Russia-NATO" (sample 1997 year), which, inter alia, prohibits the deployment of NATO troops along the Russian borders. Vashchikovsky is sure that it was “only a political agreement”, and “it is not necessary to fulfill it in the current realities.”
It turns out that Vashchikovsky (himself or at the prompting of a senior “comrade” in NATO) proposes to finally move the forces of the atlantists to the Russian borders, in fact besieging Belarus with “friendly” troops.

It is noteworthy that the Polish Foreign Minister from Germany was given to understand that Poland is trying to play with fire, but to Vashchikovsky, apparently, someone has set such a task, and Vashchikovsky works out the received cookie:

Germany says that this is a step towards increasing confrontation towards Russia. And we ask Germany: whose safety do you care more? That state, which is with you in the EU and NATO, or a state that is from the outside and is leading a third war: with Georgia, Ukraine, and now with Syria?


As you can see, the American litter in the form of the Polish leadership became so enraged that it was illusory about its own significance that it was already beginning to dictate its terms to Germany - a country at the expense of which the European Union actually exists, along with Poland and Vashchikovsky ... The only thing about this: “vashchikovskie” come and go, appear under the rim of political plumbing and are washed away into the depths of sewage non-existence, and the geopolitical interests of the same Germany, obviously not wanting to Once again to provoke Russia, remain.

But, as already noted, Vashchikovsky’s statement is a signal for Minsk. Belarus in the "coordinate system of Poland" is not considered at all as a subject on the European continent. The main goal of Poland is the militarization of the eastern borders of the EU, in order to bite Russia with small teeth, and, as one notorious figure from the NATO country, immediately hide behind the NATO screen, waving a fist, but not protruding ... Moreover, the Young Europeans also have a blue dream: to repaint Belarus in Georgia and Ukraine mentioned by Vashchikovsky. If such an idea seems tempting to the President of Belarus, then, of course, one can continue to continue to declare that Belarus is an exclusively self-sufficient state, ready to cope alone with the challenges, and the Union State - it seems to be there, but no more than economically - for gas discounts and delivery of shrimp and salmon from the “Belarusian Sea” to the Russian Federation ...
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  1. aszzz888
    aszzz888 26 November 2015 06: 19 New
    +7
    Alexander Lukashenko stated that there’s no question of any Russian military base on the Belarusian territory,


    Just like with the Turks. Build Nord Stream, don't build? So with the base in Belarus. I think that more than once there will be a refutation of both arguments.
    1. vyinemeynen
      vyinemeynen 26 November 2015 06: 31 New
      +1
      by the way, it’s not bad to decide "General Staff of the Aerospace Forces Alexander Lyapkin" or "Yes, yes, we heard right. Alexander Tyapkin"
      1. Volodin
        26 November 2015 06: 48 New
        +2
        And true. Notable reservation from the classics. smile I hope you forgive me
        1. Anatole Klim
          Anatole Klim 26 November 2015 06: 57 New
          +5
          But it is precisely this meeting (scheduled for November 26) that should put an end to the question of whether to be a Russian military air base in Belarus or not.

          Alexei! The visit has been canceled so far, so everything is still ahead.
          Belarus President Alexander Lukashenko’s scheduled visit to Russia on Thursday was postponed due to the extreme workload of the leaders of the two countries, a new date will be announced soon, Russian presidential spokesman Dmitry Peskov said on Tuesday.
          “As you know, President Lukashenko’s visit to Moscow was scheduled for the day after tomorrow, on Thursday. Due to the extreme workload of the two presidents, it was decided to postpone this visit, ”RIA Novosti quoted Peskov as saying.
          “In the near future we will announce new dates for the visit. This is a mutual agreement with our Belarusian colleagues, ”the spokesman for the Russian president added.
          1. avt
            avt 26 November 2015 09: 50 New
            +6
            Quote: Anatol Klim
            “As you know, President Lukashenko’s visit to Moscow was scheduled for the day after tomorrow, on Thursday. Due to the extreme workload of the two presidents, it was decided to postpone this visit, ”RIA Novosti quoted Peskov as saying.

            So everything remained as always where it was - come here, but stand still. But father once again made an approach to the grandmothers, well, on credit, through promises to the base, but in the light of the realities of the day - he flew through the money and dulled with workload - you need to flake the bulb at the vegetable base with Kolya. So specifically about the base there is nothing concrete but artistic there’s no whistle. Maybe it’s a squadron that will be planted for some time, but there will be no full-fledged base functioning in the interests of the two states within the framework of the CSTO and like NORAD.
        2. vyinemeynen
          vyinemeynen 26 November 2015 07: 02 New
          +2
          Quote: Volodin
          And really. A noble reservation from the classics. I hope you forgave me

          You are welcome. Smiled.
        3. Starik72
          Starik72 27 November 2015 03: 16 New
          -2
          Volodin. What kind of SEMGU do you eat, raw or prepared as a ready-to-eat product and packaged in the original packaging of a Belarusian manufacturer ??? It means that we Belarusians can’t process other people's raw materials into finished products and sell them, so is it. And as for the air base from YOUR side, this is not the first throw-in, YOU want to set us Belarusians against Lukashenko, I’ll write directly, YOU will not succeed, and answer me if YOU are not in the so-called 5th column, which in any way seeks to put sticks in the wheels of the relationship between Belarus and Russia. I know perfectly well that for this koment I WILL BE POSSIBLE MINUS, as it was more than once when I defended MY PRESIDENT. Sincerely.
        4. Starik72
          Starik72 27 November 2015 13: 56 New
          0
          Volodin. You have not answered my questions, it turns out I'm right!
    2. afdjhbn67
      afdjhbn67 26 November 2015 06: 38 New
      0
      Quote: aszzz888
      Just like with the Turks. Build Nord Stream, don't build? So with the base in Belarus. I think that more than once there will be a refutation of both arguments.

      Perhaps they didn’t want to pressure NATO in the light of the elections and a slight improvement in relations, but in the light of recent events it is quite possible that they will announce it ..
      Well, God forbid that the Poles do not respect themselves, God forbid that Belarus will instantly grumble
    3. maiman61
      maiman61 26 November 2015 08: 22 New
      +5
      Rather, the United States will allow the Russian base on its territory than this "ally", to have such "allies", there is no need for enemies!
      1. Pancho
        Pancho 26 November 2015 20: 13 New
        +3
        Quote: maiman61
        to have such "allies", there is no need for enemies!

        And if we take into account Lukashenka’s tricks with Qatar, then everything is so sad that I have completely revised my attitude towards him, from reverence to hatred.
    4. Prince Bulls
      Prince Bulls 26 November 2015 09: 22 New
      0
      Experts are right, we do not know how to communicate with allies ....
      1. 222222
        222222 26 November 2015 09: 59 New
        +2
        Prince of Bulls RU Today, 09:22 ↑ New
        The experts are right, we do not know how to communicate with our allies .... "
        . Try to deal with issues of cooperation between Belarus and .. Qatar .. including in the field of old Soviet weapons .. and potash fertilizers .. laughing
      2. marna
        marna 26 November 2015 13: 24 New
        +1
        Quote: Prince Bykov
        we do not know how to communicate with allies

        No, it’s just with our allies - the army and navy, that we can handle it.
        But dad needs to decide with the "chairs" on which one to finally land, then he can (or not) move to the rank of an ally.
      3. onix757
        onix757 26 November 2015 21: 02 New
        +1
        So from where our anti-people regime can take respect for the welfare state. For them, Lukashenko is an ideological enemy. In the West there are no and cannot be allies by definition, and former allies in the socialist camp turn their backs, starting from Cuba ending with Vietnam. And you can understand them, because the Russian Federation does not guarantee that their states will not be bombed during the Stone Age and, in economic terms, we can only present oligarchs. So the Old Man is doing the right thing, you need to be friends sincerely, but with the bourgeoisie this is impossible by definition ... they are not honest.
        1. samuil60
          samuil60 27 November 2015 03: 19 New
          0
          And what does the bourgeois have to do with it? They come and go, but the Motherland remains. And we and Lukashenkov have one - the Soviet Union, Great Russia - no matter how we call it. The bottom line is that it does not change. And if tomorrow Lukash is kicked in the ass, and "oligarchs" come in his place - shall we turn our backs on ordinary Belarusians !? Not everything in the world is determined by class relations. And Lukashenka is betraying, in essence, not Abramovich and Chubais, he is betraying the Russian people.
          1. onix757
            onix757 27 November 2015 07: 00 New
            +1
            And what does the bourgeois have to do with it? They come and go

            And despite the fact that the bourgeois in their parasitic activities do not think about the homeland, and especially about the people.
            And we and Lukashenkov have one - the Soviet Union, Great Russia - no matter how we call it

            No. Russia is not the USSR- Homeland is not a state;
            And if tomorrow Lukash is kicked in the ass, and "oligarchs" come in his place, shall we turn our backs on ordinary Belarusians !?

            Everything will be fine there, the probability of Maidan is higher here.
            Not everything in the world is determined by class relations. And Lukashenko is betraying, in essence, not Abramovich and Chubais, he is betraying the Russian people.

            Maybe not all, but allied relations ..
  2. Zomanus
    Zomanus 26 November 2015 06: 19 New
    10
    The news is good, but you shouldn’t be especially happy.
    Today they allowed to place, tomorrow they will ban ...
    With Old Man you can’t be sure of anything.
    1. avvg
      avvg 26 November 2015 06: 25 New
      +1
      The case smells like kerosene (in connection with the activation of NATO near the country's borders), in my opinion, the Old Man will not argue.
    2. Hyppopotut
      Hyppopotut 26 November 2015 09: 10 New
      +6
      It seems to me that if the West had not imposed sanctions against the "Old Man" in due time, then he would have climbed out of his skin in order to get into the gamerope ... winked
  3. Al_oriso
    Al_oriso 26 November 2015 06: 22 New
    +1
    The main goal of the same Poland is the militarization of the eastern borders of the EU in order to bite Russia with small teeth, and, as one notorious figure from the NATO country, immediately hide behind the NATO screen, waving its fist, but not protruding ...


    This is the essence of the petty NATO kennel.
  4. noWAR
    noWAR 26 November 2015 06: 23 New
    +1
    Take it easy. bully Everything will be ok. In general, it would be more likely that our flyers, the best in the world, would see more of these
    1. 0255
      0255 26 November 2015 10: 48 New
      +1
      Quote: noWAR
      Take it easy. bully Everything will be ok. In general, it would be more likely that our flyers, the best in the world, would see more of these

      Another "Russia owes Belarus money / gas / planes as a union state"?
      1. Lex.
        Lex. 26 November 2015 18: 04 New
        +4
        Another "Russia owes Belarus money / gas / planes as a union state"?
        You from Belarus why do you oppose your country?
        Israel as an ally of the United States receives weapons of which Belarus from Russia as an ally should not
  5. parusnik
    parusnik 26 November 2015 06: 36 New
    +3
    If only not for two chairs ... If only not for two chairs...Riding on two horses - not enough seats!
    1. Glot
      Glot 26 November 2015 06: 52 New
      +4
      If only there wouldn’t be two chairs ... If only there wouldn’t be two chairs ... Riding on two horses is not enough seats!


      Old Man has been jumping for a year now, and nothing has been torn up yet. laughing
    2. Lex.
      Lex. 26 November 2015 21: 20 New
      +1
      If only not for two chairs ... If only not for two chairs, Belarus seems to be an independent republic and what is your proposal for 2 chairs?
  6. Taygerus
    Taygerus 26 November 2015 06: 43 New
    +2
    it's like a little pregnant what
  7. 717
    717 26 November 2015 07: 00 New
    +1
    Belarusian military base will be called wink
  8. F.Vastag
    F.Vastag 26 November 2015 07: 05 New
    -1
    AND WHY do we (Russia) - this Avia-BASE in Belarus (in Bobruisk or not in Bobruisk, it does not matter) ?? WHAT FOR ?? Someone can sensibly explain - if Luka is Against (does not burn with desire), and the Belarusians (judging by their Desire) are not particularly well-liked - it may not be necessary (by this we only give an Extra KOZYR to all different local Litvin (home-grown Belarusian Bandera-Nazis). Do we, again, Want to be in the Role of the Blackmailed (Batkoy) of this very Aviation Base. Barely got rid of "Gabala" (Azerbaijan) and will soon leave (we will close our presence) on "Baikonur" (by going to the East) .And then again Head into the Loop (Well, the Old Man and the Belarusians DO NOT WANT Our Base - so why IMPOSE (get into Dependence on the Unpredictable Bow). them Russians-USSR) and Waiting for us (for example, in North Korea-DPRK), and not where Tomorrow they will roll out the Space Account (for our Base) and will threaten to immediately Close it - if we do not continue to Fund (billions of dollars) local post-Soviet Tsarko c (princelings) - who, at the first opportunity, will defect to the West (and fully support the neighboring Fascist Regimes (like the Waltzmann Regime in Ruin). WHY DO WE NEED THIS I just can't understand ???
    1. Metallurgist
      Metallurgist 26 November 2015 10: 47 New
      +2
      I wanted to write a detailed comment-response.
      Then he realized that it was impossible to explain anything to the tantrums.
      I recommend looking at the political map of Europe. Paint it in colors, at least according to the NATO-Russia principle.
      Maybe then at least something will come.
    2. sq
      sq 26 November 2015 10: 49 New
      -1
      Quote: F. Vastag
      WHY DO WE NEED THIS, I just can not understand?

      this is not for average minds.
    3. Shark Lover
      Shark Lover 26 November 2015 13: 00 New
      0
      I absolutely agree. Not only that, I’d better do the following, at the opening of the next NATO base I reported that new coordinates of seed dispersion were introduced into the crown of such a TOPOL, YARS, the coordinates are attached. Dear gardeners, your POPLAR is located in the Urals region, transfer funds for its maintenance to go there and there. And also ISKANDER AND CALIBER.
    4. Aleksandr1959
      Aleksandr1959 26 November 2015 13: 33 New
      0
      The majority of Belarusians are just for the base. And they think purely pragmatic in this case. This is money for rent, this is jobs, this is finally the money that the personnel of the base will spend. And they will spend more of the Belarusians.
      Lukashenko will try to push more for the base, this is for sure. For several years, the alleged location of the base has changed several times. These are Baranovichi (where several Russian planes are now based), and Lida, and Bobruisk. Moreover, the options Lida-Bobruisk several times changed places. Belarusian Su-25s are based in Lida, plus Russia recently transferred there, in my opinion, 2 or 3 Yak-130s. Nearby there is a landfill. The developed military airfield network existing in the USSR in Belarus is in a deplorable state. For example, at the chic airfield in Shchuchin. where two regiments and a separate towing squadron were based in the days of the USSR .... there is already nothing .... and the airfield too.
      1. bordos
        bordos 26 November 2015 15: 16 New
        +6
        firstly, it is not necessary to talk about the majority without conducting representative surveys.
        Belarus is clearly for defense cooperation with Russia, but a foreign (still foreign) military base is rarely accepted positively by the population of any country. You can agree on the deployment of Russian aircraft at our bases, this will not bother anyone. but you shouldn’t push your own base, especially in such ultimatum forms
        By the way, the Yak-130 was not delivered by Russia, but by Belarus, it’s not necessary to instill the idea that the Russian Federation is arming the Republic of Belarus with everything it can;
        1. antifa
          antifa 26 November 2015 16: 19 New
          +2
          Yanukovych could not decide with friends - the result is sad- Ukraine - a colony of the States. Learn from the mistakes of others.
          1. bordos
            bordos 27 November 2015 12: 24 New
            +1
            my friends and I decided a long time ago.
            but letting a best friend sleep with his wife, for example, is not our option
            1. Aleksandr1959
              Aleksandr1959 27 November 2015 13: 50 New
              -1
              Good gentlemen, your option is to ask for loans from Russia, to demand a discount, as one of the members of the union state ..... Speculate on this status.
              I can recall the recent words of Lukashenka: "We do not need a Russian base, give us airplanes, and we have our own pilots."
              Don't just write about the "Belarusian economic miracle". This "miracle" is somehow still supported by loans and preferences from Russia.
              Well, Lukashenka does not want a Russian base, and besides, figs with him. Where the legs grow from this "unwillingness" is quite understandable. As already written, this is an attempt to sit on two chairs, or rather to get money, trade preferences from both sides. On the part of Russia and on the part of the EU. The flag is in your hands, gentlemen.
              1. Aleksandr1959
                Aleksandr1959 27 November 2015 15: 05 New
                0
                Did not like? I visit Belarus. Good hardworking people. But when you hear from some representatives of this people: "When your Putyaga will give us money again ...". I think comments are unnecessary here. When you order a ticket to a Belarusian sanatorium, you ask to book a room of a certain class, and they tell you that these rooms are only for Belarusians? When the price of services in this sanatorium is the same for Belarusians, for Russians it is completely different, is it good gentlemen? And you need oil at domestic Russian prices.
                So do not appear white and fluffy.
                1. bordos
                  bordos 27 November 2015 15: 21 New
                  0
                  and according to my information, many Belarusians cannot get to sanatoriums for the new year due to the fact that they are occupied by Russian tourists ...
                  and the practice of differentiating prices for services for citizens of the country and foreigners is not invented by us.
                  oil at Russian prices after the creation of the customs union - no more than honest rules of the game, otherwise how to compete? we protect the passenger car industry with high import duties and do not cough.
                  You can exchange claims for a long time, but you say:
                  Do you need Air Force units in Belarus or put a foot on our land?
                  1. Aleksandr1959
                    Aleksandr1959 27 November 2015 15: 35 New
                    0
                    Interestingly, you select the rules for yourself. This is possible because it is beneficial to Belarus, but it is not. Moreover, in relation to Russia. About what is at stake. About double standards. If Russia recalls some points, then Mr. Lukashenko immediately screamed. Why is such a relationship in a union state ....
                    On the contrary ... it’s quite possible for yourself. And about the sanatoriums for the New Year ... so your sanatoriums safely spin gesheft with our travel agencies. And quite often it happens that there are no direct vouchers, travel agencies have .... deadlines fit, travel agencies do not redeem vouchers ... all of a sudden everything starts to be sold directly through the marketing department in the sanatorium.
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        2. Aleksandr1959
          Aleksandr1959 26 November 2015 19: 05 New
          0
          How many air bases in Belarus are currently in good condition with the necessary infrastructure?
          As for the "ultimatum form", it is most characteristic of Mr. Lukashenko in his statements in relation to Russia.
          1. bordos
            bordos 27 November 2015 12: 27 New
            +1
            I will assume that in Belarus in the normal state there are exactly as many air forces as are necessary for the normal functioning of the Belarusian Air Force.
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      3. pilot bin-bom
        pilot bin-bom 26 November 2015 23: 57 New
        +2
        Russia pays nothing for the two Russian bases already existing in Belarus. With what fright would she swim for a third?
        As for the approbation, it already was, and not only Sushka was visiting the territory of the Republic of Belarus, but also with the AWACS aircraft.
        But as far as money is concerned, the Belarusians have a question - why do the Russians breathe unevenly towards Ukrainians, loans forgive, gas at a discount, and Belarusians - a bolt in a nut? Weakly before turning to the allies?
  9. Alexander 3
    Alexander 3 26 November 2015 07: 07 New
    +7
    Bobruisk airfield is a former strategists airfield. We with Belarus, with Armenia and other CSTO countries have common air defense. What else can I say.
    1. F.Vastag
      F.Vastag 26 November 2015 07: 31 New
      -8
      "Former airfield of strategists" - but in the United Country of the USSR (which does not exist now). Now it is an airfield in Independent Belarus. The CSTO, the CIS and other similar structures are more of a Fiction-Empty (Visibility-Screen - judging by the latest Bow Throwing to Kiev and back) - than a Real Treaty (on military assistance and collective security). To conclude any Treaty (mutually -binding) with the former republics of the Union - it makes no sense (in my opinion), none of them will comply with any "Obligations" (under the Treaty) in relation to Russia - and vice versa, Russia will have to Patronize and Protect them. Sooner or later, anyway, They will either defect (betray) or simply their leadership will buy (to itself) the West. (States and EU)
      1. sq
        sq 26 November 2015 11: 02 New
        +1
        Why so categorically. As they say - FACTS IN A STUDIO! Or we will consider it just a provocation.
        1. aleks26
          aleks26 26 November 2015 14: 11 New
          +4
          08,08,08 - is it not enough for you? Someone at least blundered from the CSTO in support of Russia after the Turks brought down the dryer? Old Man so quieted up at all, even after the next grandmother, he decided not to fly to Moscow, no matter what happens. Suddenly, the GDP will ask to support Russia. Morally of course. Europe will not understand. I’m silent about the rest, they only know the word GIVE.
        2. aleks26
          aleks26 26 November 2015 14: 11 New
          +1
          08,08,08 - is it not enough for you? Someone at least blundered from the CSTO in support of Russia after the Turks brought down the dryer? Old Man so quieted up at all, even after the next grandmother, he decided not to fly to Moscow, no matter what happens. Suddenly, the GDP will ask to support Russia. Morally of course. Europe will not understand. I’m silent about the rest, they only know the word GIVE.
  10. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 26 November 2015 07: 31 New
    +3
    American litter in the form of the Polish leadership

    You can’t say better. Juicy, capacious, and most importantly to the point.
  11. Turkir
    Turkir 26 November 2015 09: 33 New
    +6
    The deathly silence of unpredictable Lukashenko about the latest events tells us more than his loud, crackling statements.
  12. Northern Fleet
    Northern Fleet 26 November 2015 10: 12 New
    +5
    Luka has milked and will milk Russia while he is in power, if there is a base, then he is sure for it and gas and oil bargain for nothing and interest-free loans.
    It seems to me that if there will only be planes and not the base, otherwise they will devour him.
  13. Denis DV
    Denis DV 26 November 2015 10: 14 New
    +2
    No, these 12 will go to the SAR laughing Belarusians will wait laughing
  14. van zai
    van zai 26 November 2015 10: 29 New
    13
    Unpredictable for you specifically? I will answer as a resident of Belarus, and I live almost at the very border with Poland. There are NO anti-Russian sentiments. The people are well aware that in the case of integration into the European community, they will face a much larger cesspool than the current orientation “to the east.” “But father” has long and tenaciously been holding onto the causal place by Big Brother (Russia). And all of his (Father's) statements are a game for the audience, moreover, agreed in advance. Relax Russians.
    1. tracer
      tracer 26 November 2015 10: 58 New
      +1
      Thanks for relaxing. All of Belarus is nothing more than a place of future work for "Kolenka". That is the only reason why father keeps everything and does not give it to anyone. Long ago Russia would have united through a referendum.
      1. van zai
        van zai 26 November 2015 11: 03 New
        +8
        Believe me, if Russia would need it. Then the referendum would have been organized "once". And nobody would be interested in Rygorych's opinion.
      2. Starik72
        Starik72 27 November 2015 03: 29 New
        -1
        Tracer. You know how they say here: The chicken is in the nest, the egg itself you know where, it’s me on your remark about the son Kolya.
    2. avt
      avt 26 November 2015 11: 05 New
      +6
      Quote: van zai
      ". But father" has long and tenaciously held for a causal place by Big Brother (Russia).

      No. If I REALLY held it, the ONE currency would have long walked as a common means of payment with the ONE emission center, and not under the leadership of Butsky, although with his participation, well in proportion to the possibilities.
    3. domashnij2013
      domashnij2013 26 November 2015 11: 24 New
      +5
      In general, yes. But on the net, our Opps and Zmagars in r ... about come when it comes to the Russian base. And in Baranavichy and Minsk, some pickets were held, signatures were collected against placing the base.
      1. propolsky
        propolsky 26 November 2015 13: 50 New
        +1
        Well, how much did you collect? At least a hundred people signed up? Not sure. Suffused by the rise in prices and the "wild" rise in wages, the Belarusians are unlikely to think about this base.
    4. Paranoid50
      Paranoid50 27 November 2015 23: 11 New
      +2
      Yes, personally, I didn't really bother, because. I am aware of what you, dear Wang Zai, told us about. I keep in touch with Minsk, where I have friends and acquaintances. As I recently wrote here, But your father is still a beetle, but this is also OUR beetle, which is not an enemy either to himself or, especially, to his people. their rabid, who periodically gather under red-and-white flags, press more often, yourself, without the KGB. It is clear that Father has made it clear that these dances are "until the first broken glass", but you yourself are not asleep, otherwise your "neighbors from below" have already "clicked." For the rest, we will not leave, we will not leave: tea, brothers or as?!
  15. triglav
    triglav 26 November 2015 13: 54 New
    +1
    And Old Man is trying to sit on two chairs all the time. But he certainly does not understand very well that Belarus will disappear without Russia.
  16. Northern Fleet
    Northern Fleet 26 November 2015 13: 59 New
    +1
    Quote: triglav
    And Old Man is trying to sit on two chairs all the time. But he certainly does not understand very well that Belarus will disappear without Russia.

    dad will disappear without Russia and not Belarus
  17. rudolff
    rudolff 26 November 2015 14: 16 New
    +4
    Recently, Lukashenko received the title Honorary Uzden of Dagestan. Maybe the title is really honorable, but I liked the word more and it was with reference to Alexander Grigoryevich. Uzden Lukashenko! To the very point!
  18. Jan Ivanov
    Jan Ivanov 26 November 2015 14: 17 New
    -3
    Bobruisk. Belarus Be or not be? )
    Almost on the cord))
  19. viktorMinskiy
    viktorMinskiy 26 November 2015 15: 35 New
    -4
    Quote: aszzz888
    Alexander Lukashenko stated that there’s no question of any Russian military base on the Belarusian territory,


    Just like with the Turks. Build Nord Stream, don't build? So with the base in Belarus. I think that more than once there will be a refutation of both arguments.


    Dear Author of the article (from Leningrad) and lovers of his quotes. Since I have been a regular reader of this site for many years, I allow myself a remark. Never, never Belarus, and even more so the president in his speech does not utter the word Belarus ..... even in this context. Therefore, be prof. A journalist is not from Leningrad .. And write correctly. Belarus ... on the territory of Belarus ... Not an article, but continuous mistakes ...
    1. domashnij2013
      domashnij2013 26 November 2015 16: 38 New
      +5
      Quote: viktorMinskiy
      Quote: aszzz888
      Alexander Lukashenko stated that there’s no question of any Russian military base on the Belarusian territory,


      Just like with the Turks. Build Nord Stream, don't build? So with the base in Belarus. I think that more than once there will be a refutation of both arguments.


      Dear Author of the article (from Leningrad) and lovers of his quotes. Since I have been a regular reader of this site for many years, I allow myself a remark. Never, never Belarus, and even more so the president in his speech does not utter the word Belarus ..... even in this context. Therefore, be prof. A journalist is not from Leningrad .. And write correctly. Belarus ... on the territory of Belarus ... Not an article, but continuous mistakes ...

      Yes Yes. Many are also outraged about this. Say, if Belarus is somehow a colony of Russia, and if Belarus is an independent state. And it doesn’t reach many that in Russia, it is Belarus that is used in everyday life, and not in official speech.
    2. avt
      avt 26 November 2015 16: 50 New
      +3
      Quote: viktorMinskiy
      .. And write correctly. Belarus ... in Belarus ...

      Dear Reader and Writer of a comment, urgently run to the station for the train to Moscow and redraw the signs on the cars, but what is it you have written on them that from Brest, that from Minsk - "MASKVA", along with a poster at the terminal station in Moscow, stand up with a demand to rename the station "Belorussky" back to "Brestsky" fool Zadolbali you all svidomye teach us the Russian language. Enough with us banderlog Svidomo with them IN UKRAINE instead of in UKRAINE and Russian land.
      1. Was mammoth
        Was mammoth 26 November 2015 17: 36 New
        +1
        Quote: avt
        Zadolbali you all svidomye teach us the Russian language. Enough with us banderlog Svidomo with them IN UKRAINE instead of in UKRAINE and Russian land.

        Not "tolerantly" called his poem Nekrasov "Who Lives Well in Russia"? By the way, actual poetry. Probably he was illiterate. wink But politicians are now many tolerant, literate.
      2. bordos
        bordos 27 November 2015 15: 27 New
        0
        you know how to make friends. and hold))))))))
        1. Aleksandr1959
          Aleksandr1959 28 November 2015 19: 41 New
          0
          We value friends, but when pseudo-friends try to use us ... this is what we cannot tolerate. And nobody will give dynamism to Russia to Alexander Grigorievich Lukashenko. The Russian leadership had enough time to understand the behavior of this comrade.
        2. Jan Ivanov
          Jan Ivanov 2 December 2015 15: 09 New
          0
          If friends are such that they need to be kept, then these are not friends. Friends themselves remain.
          And if they need to be held, if friends announce a tender, who better to hold them ... Well, you understand.
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    3. Was mammoth
      Was mammoth 26 November 2015 17: 28 New
      +3
      Quote: viktorMinskiy
      Never, never Belarus, and even more so the president in his speech does not utter the word Belarus ..... even in this context. Therefore, be prof. A journalist is not from Leningrad .. And write correctly. Belarus ... in Belarus ..

      And that you have "Pesnyary" already banned? Or a banned song. Did not hear? "My love, my Motherland is Belarus ..."?
  20. viktorMinskiy
    viktorMinskiy 26 November 2015 17: 31 New
    -5
    Quote: avt
    Quote: viktorMinskiy
    .. And write correctly. Belarus ... in Belarus ...

    Dear Reader and Writer of a comment, urgently run to the station for the train to Moscow and redraw the signs on the cars, but what is it you have written on them that from Brest, that from Minsk - "MASKVA", along with a poster at the terminal station in Moscow, stand up with a demand to rename the station "Belorussky" back to "Brestsky" fool Zadolbali you all svidomye teach us the Russian language. Enough with us banderlog Svidomo with them IN UKRAINE instead of in UKRAINE and Russian land.


    It is a question of simple illiteracy. And it is not Svidomo. Do not confuse the concept and do not distort ... If a journalist writes. So let him write correctly. I think I will be supported here and by a resident of Belarus, Moldova, Kyrgyzstan, and so on. And the point is not in the Russian language but in the knowledge of modern history ......
    1. avt
      avt 26 November 2015 18: 21 New
      +5
      Quote: viktorMinskiy
      We are talking about simple illiteracy.

      Write correctly la France there, do not call the Germans Germans and the country Germany, and much more. But the campaign is only a claim to us, the Nazis have already zadolbali their nit-picking under the guise of "literacy"
      Quote: viktorMinskiy
      . And believe me ... we know the language better than YOU ...

      Quote: viktorMinskiy
      Speak as you like. sing what you want ... and so true ... until the context and use of the name of the state.

      In our state, as we want, we will say so, especially here, since it does not contradict the rules of the site and there is no diplomatic correspondence here to still observe protocol and polite. If you do not like it, go and throw your face at the manure, because to amuse the local nat feelings of desire there is no, already with velikokrami have eaten. Go and read Pushkin, The Tale of the Fisherman and the Fish ", otherwise you will soon prove here that Russia must ...." to the state government "and therefore must send money urgently - to pay off the debt on loan .... to Belarus.
  21. viktorMinskiy
    viktorMinskiy 26 November 2015 17: 35 New
    -3
    Quote: Was Mammoth
    Quote: viktorMinskiy
    Never, never Belarus, and even more so the president in his speech does not utter the word Belarus ..... even in this context. Therefore, be prof. A journalist is not from Leningrad .. And write correctly. Belarus ... in Belarus ..

    And that you have "Pesnyary" already banned? Or a banned song. Did not hear? "My love, my Motherland is Belarus ..."?


    Speak as you like. sing what you want ... and so true ... until the context and use of the name of the state .. And the author writes on behalf of the IG .. his pearl, believe we know by heart.
    1. Was mammoth
      Was mammoth 26 November 2015 17: 47 New
      +4
      Quote: viktorMinskiy
      ... so and so true ...

      I would completely agree with you if we on the site spoke in Belarusian.
      However, the site communicates in Russian.
  22. viktorMinskiy
    viktorMinskiy 26 November 2015 17: 42 New
    -3
    Quote: Was Mammoth
    Quote: avt
    Zadolbali you all svidomye teach us the Russian language. Enough with us banderlog Svidomo with them IN UKRAINE instead of in UKRAINE and Russian land.

    Not "tolerantly" called his poem Nekrasov "Who Lives Well in Russia"? By the way, actual poetry. Probably he was illiterate. wink But politicians are now many tolerant, literate.


    The fact that you live in the Russian Federation does not make you an ideal native speaker. Rotate another 14 republics of the former USSR shone on it, and for many it is their native language. And believe me ... we know the language better than YOU ...
  23. Was mammoth
    Was mammoth 26 November 2015 17: 57 New
    +4
    Quote: viktorMinskiy
    believe me ... we know the language better than YOU ...

    A bold statement! PowerЬthose. I do not know among my acquaintances who would speak badly about Belarusians. An article about "multi-vector".
  24. viktorMinskiy
    viktorMinskiy 26 November 2015 17: 57 New
    -2
    Quote: Was Mammoth
    Quote: viktorMinskiy
    ... so and so true ...

    I would completely agree with you if we on the site spoke in Belarusian.
    However, the site communicates in Russian.


    It's not about the language! I will not tell you the first. That there is no state of Belarus since the age of 91 ... yes God be with you your right to say whatever you like. My friends Russians and Kyrgyz are constantly Belarusians ... and I'm not nervous because of this ... it's their habit. But when officials say so ... That’s a jamb .. and serious. A respected journalist expressed his thoughts through such a turn ... Vybachayce ale so nelga
  25. viktorMinskiy
    viktorMinskiy 26 November 2015 18: 02 New
    +2
    Quote: Was Mammoth
    Quote: viktorMinskiy
    believe me ... we know the language better than YOU ...

    A bold statement! PowerЬthose. I do not know among my acquaintances who would speak badly about Belarusians. An article about "multi-vector".


    We are already sick of this multivectorness .... A difficult situation for any politician .. Intersno what the next time come up. Although as they say .... and who needs it more. Everyone has their own interests ....
  26. Ajjh
    Ajjh 26 November 2015 18: 34 New
    +2
    I’ve been reading the site for a long time. I really like the articles on the relevant topics.
    But your analyst is watered below all plinths. I still expected a much deeper and not biased analysis. But in practice, shoulder straps may press, maybe a harness ... About Belarus this is not the first article, and it scares me very much to see how Russians relate to my country
    Nevertheless, he preferred that the editors would continue to lay out materials about weapons, analysis of various battles (a separate plus for today's article about naval battles), in general, everything related to the army theme. but you better opt out of explicitly political articles
    Best regards
    1. avt
      avt 26 November 2015 19: 37 New
      +5
      Quote: Ajjh
      I’ve been reading the site for a long time.

      Registration Date: November 26 2015 18: 27
      wassat Like they used to crush skulls, or didn’t have anything to say? Actually, there used to be more abruptly on the national issue, when Beck was there, Marek Rozny and similar visitors, but earlier it was more interesting to argue with them - the restrictions were less, they argued better, Well, stupidly did not rest on the number of letters in the spelling of their state.
      Quote: Ajjh
      Nevertheless, he preferred that the editors would continue to lay out materials about weapons, analysis of various battles (a separate plus for today's article about naval battles), in general, everything related to the army theme. but you better opt out of explicitly political articles

      laughing Even under Ludoaik, I forgot his number, the inscription on the cannon was - "The last argument of the kings", so without a policy, VO will be a castrated site, and the topic of the base and everything connected with it is a profile topic.
    2. viktorMinskiy
      viktorMinskiy 26 November 2015 19: 56 New
      -1
      I completely agree with your point of view. The criticism here is always one-sided. Many article authors lack professionalism. Which sometimes they comes down to simple rhetoric with quotes ... The feeling that students are writing articles freshmen journalism faculty ..
    3. Dry_T-50
      Dry_T-50 26 November 2015 22: 09 New
      +2
      It’s just that some Russians still cannot understand that the Republic of Belarus and the Russian Federation are 2 from different states, and that’s the result of excessive self-confidence. From normal, no one is encroaching on you and your territory and country, just like on Ukraine.
      Sincerely yours, Ilya
  27. Black
    Black 26 November 2015 19: 44 New
    +3
    But father is that "ally". If everything is smooth with us, he has marshmallow on his face, but if something happened, he choked like a lemon. And he is not alone.
    And 080808, and the events in Ukraine and now, right there with Doha right in the gums, in a hickey!
  28. epsilon571
    epsilon571 26 November 2015 19: 53 New
    +3
    The Russian leadership recently speaks of a coalition against the fight against ISIS, calling for other countries, including European ones, to do so. But let's see if there is such a coalition among its immediate partners. Kazakhstan is keeping quiet about something, it is completely incomprehensible with Belarus (but this was previously known), India and China are silent. So, does a coalition exist for cheap oil, gas and concessions in trade? It turns out really that the Russian Federation did not have more friends, but in reality only sticks? Don't you think that the time has come to show the world a truly coalition partnership. Is Turkey insolently impudent, is Europe led by America rudely behaving rudely? Therefore, it turns out that only the Army and Navy are our vile allies, and today we will rely no more than on ourselves but on ourselves? What is the strength of our policy, because they can even crush it?
    1. Dry_T-50
      Dry_T-50 26 November 2015 22: 11 New
      +2
      Quote: epsilon571
      is it really coming out; the Russian Federation didn’t have any more friends, and in fact there were only sticking ones?

      In politics (as in any large enterprise) there are no friends, but there are partners, clients and rivals. From here it is necessary to proceed
  29. galakt
    galakt 26 November 2015 21: 13 New
    -2
    A certain "probationary period" of the EU for the Bulbash can last at least a whole century, well, like Turkey's accession to the EU, and even simpler - it's a carrot in front of Lukashenka's nose. The whole point is where the Lukashenka family keeps their capital, because where is your treasure there is your soul.
    1. Dry_T-50
      Dry_T-50 26 November 2015 22: 12 New
      +4
      Quote: galakt
      Bulbash

      If there is a Maidan in Belarus, Putin and zmgarey not blame
      1. viktorMinskiy
        viktorMinskiy 26 November 2015 23: 12 New
        -1
        Quote: galakt
        A certain "probationary period" of the EU for the Bulbash can last at least a whole century, well, like Turkey's accession to the EU, and even simpler - it's a carrot in front of Lukashenka's nose. The whole point is where the Lukashenka family keeps their capital, because where is your treasure there is your soul.


        If you think that people are tearing here in the EU, then you are deeply mistaken ....... Or people don’t understand that the interests of both the EU and the Russian Federation are here and everyone is constantly playing their own card than annoying and tiring. Everyone is haggling ... and so is our government. Does the people of Belarus need Russia? .. I beg you !! ... only our president needs him. And then in order to have the right amount of electorate paying taxes .. And we pay your public ..
  30. Belarus
    Belarus 27 November 2015 12: 36 New
    +2
    All the friendship and relations of Belarus with the Russian Federation comes down to only one question: how much will you give? If Russia does not, then exclamations begin about what we fought together and more. Regarding the recognition of South Ossetia and Abkhazia (can be found on the Internet) the whole question was in price (and do not care that people were simply shot at night from the MLRS). I am silent about statements about Crimea that the AHL said (the video is full about what he said). And statements about the fact that we will go as far as the Russian Federation wants and that we heard then ????
    So I want to say one thing: RB is a partner with a stone in the bosom. And as for whether the people of the RB of Russia are needed, I will say what is needed. And who does not need Russia is the AHL, it’s enough for Yeltsin.
  31. Starik72
    Starik72 27 November 2015 14: 16 New
    0
    Well, I turned out to be right. They put a minus to me.
  32. kaschey
    kaschey 27 November 2015 16: 11 New
    +1
    As long as all dividends in Russia go to the aligarchs and not to the people, while Russia will consider Belarus as a future platform for theater of operations. I think the people of Belarus will be grateful to Russia if it moves its security zone to the German-Polish border, this will really be a friendly gift from Russia ....
  33. shura7782
    shura7782 27 November 2015 18: 03 New
    +1
    The article does not see anything new about Lukashenko. This is his usual move to a specific case. The decision about the base was made a long time ago and not this year. The base is not the last. There will be more. We are moving west.