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Sergey Lavrov said that Russia supports the initiative of Paris to fully close the border between Turkey and Syria

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Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, in his speech, stated that the incident with the Russian Su-24, shot down by the F-16 aircraft of the Turkish Air Force, resembles a carefully prepared provocation. The Russian Foreign Minister stressed that the emergency line of communication between Ankara and Moscow, established in connection with the situation in Syria, was not involved either before the attack on the Russian plane, or after.


Sergey Lavrov said that Russia supports the initiative of Paris to fully close the border between Turkey and Syria


RIA News cites Sergey Lavrov's statement:
We have serious doubts that this was an unintended act. This is very similar to a planned action.


At the same time, the Russian Foreign Minister said that Moscow fully shares the opinion of the French authorities on the need to completely close the border between Turkey and Syria. We will remind that earlier the President of France Hollande made such a proposal. Due to the fact that Turkey opens its borders to rescue militants from Russian air strikes, and also receives smuggled oil produced in Syria and Iraq with the assistance of ISIS terrorists, the complete closure of the Turkish-Syrian border is a clear necessity. It is interesting that in this situation the partners of the same France in NATO, including Turkey itself, will declare? ..

Meanwhile, in the Russian capital, protests continue at the Turkish embassy. So, the protesters against the Turkish arbitrariness with the Su-24 Russian Aerospace Force aircraft threw eggs and stones at the embassy building. It is reported that unknown persons broke several windows in the building of the Turkish embassy.

And in Turkey itself, users of social networks are perplexed about the words of Erdogan and the country's General Staff that Su-24 allegedly violated airspace. One of the users on Twitter writes:
Our military say that the Su-24 was in our airspace 17 seconds. I do not understand, then how could 10 warn him once within 5 minutes?


Other user:
If we take into account the speed of the aircraft and the time indicated by the military - 5 minutes, then it turns out that our Air Force began to warn the Russian crew at the very moment when the plane just took off from the airfield?


Another Turkish user writes that the best times for relations with Russia are coming and he adds:
In general, we can expect anything from our current authorities and specifically Erdogan ...
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  1. Ajent cho
    Ajent cho 25 November 2015 15: 49
    72
    The initiative is yours, the closure is ours. Well done French, the deflection is counted, take a pie from the shelf and step aside, do not interfere underfoot.
    1. anEkeName
      anEkeName 25 November 2015 15: 53
      44
      The brains appeared in Paris. Who will turn off the next fool? Or doesn’t it reach without terrorist attacks?
      1. Baikonur
        Baikonur 25 November 2015 15: 57
        +9
        closing is ours
        No, let them help, let them show how they "don't like" IGo! And we will look with our keen eye! Let's make the Motherland love, b..lin!

        It is necessary to plow the control and track strip along the line of the All borders of Syria, and squeeze the ring until it turns into a POINT!
        1. _Vladislav_
          _Vladislav_ 25 November 2015 15: 58
          24
          If you close the border, Erdogan's fart will break.
          So everything is correct. Continue to wet Chukrabesov, deprive Turkey of contraband oil.
          Air Defense / VKS full combat readiness.
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 25 November 2015 16: 36
            +3
            Quote: _Vladislav_
            If you close the border, Erdogan's fart will break.
            So everything is correct. Continue to wet Chukrabesov, deprive Turkey of contraband oil.
            Air Defense / VKS full combat readiness.

            It’s necessary to close the border by itself. But the other end of this oil crane should be plugged. I’m talking about tankers that go from Turkey. As I said, why not flood the tanker at the exit to the open sea to block the way for other ships? too obvious, but with the help of combat swimmers just right.
            1. shuhartred
              shuhartred 25 November 2015 16: 41
              10
              Quote: NEXUS
              .As already said, why not flood the tanker at the exit to the open sea in order to block the way for other ships?

              Just drown empty, and then two seas muddle.
              Py.Sy or first empty then flood. The torpedo version is clearly not rolling.
              1. NEXUS
                NEXUS 25 November 2015 17: 07
                +3
                Quote: shuhartred
                Just drown empty, and then two seas muddle.
                Py.Sy or first empty then flood. The torpedo version is clearly not rolling.

                It’s clear that it’s empty ... but the idea is not bad at all. Once we break off all relations with the Turks, why should we be afraid? And the Turks will have an oil crisis with time and haemorrhoids with a flooded tanker.
                Erdogan was angry that our VKS burned oil tankers for $ 12 per barrel, one of the reasons why our SU-24 was shot down (but not the main one). So I think we need to completely cover this oil pawnshop so that all the tragedy begins to reach it ( for him personally) what happened.
                1. shuhartred
                  shuhartred 25 November 2015 17: 15
                  +3
                  Quote: NEXUS
                  It’s clear that it’s empty ... but the thought is not bad at all

                  I don’t argue a good thought hi
                  Quote: NEXUS
                  So I think it is necessary to completely cover up this oil pawnshop, so that all the tragedy (for him personally) of the incident begins to reach him.

                  However, the little man can completely jump off the coils. "Let's Be Alert! Let's Wait!" (Captain Smollett, Treasure Island m / f) soldier
                  Py.Sy. Kiev studio of animated films. Damn what cool cartoons did. Will there be more?
                  1. NEXUS
                    NEXUS 25 November 2015 17: 32
                    +4
                    Quote: shuhartred
                    However, the little man can completely jump off the coils. "Let's Be Alert! Let's Wait!" (Captain Smollett, Treasure Island m / f)

                    Do you think Erdogan is an adequate person? I don’t. A person is not even familiar with simple arithmetic, maybe he didn’t understand that he lost more than he gained (and it is doubtful whether he gained).
                    1. shuhartred
                      shuhartred 25 November 2015 17: 59
                      +4
                      Quote: NEXUS
                      Do you think Erdogan is an adequate person?

                      There are different degrees of inadequacy. It’s one thing to shoot a wife with a lover in the heat of the moment and it’s quite another to go out with a machine gun and shoot everyone in a row. But only in the first they just put you in (taking into account the state of affect), and in the second they shoot like a dog. But how many more people will suffer in the second case?
                      Quote: NEXUS
                      obviously did not understand that he lost more than he gained (and it is doubtful whether he gained).

                      He didn’t get anything except problems! hi
              2. Borets
                Borets 25 November 2015 19: 53
                0
                It is necessary that the horned one from the times of the Second World War suddenly surfaced in front of the tanker.
            2. veksha50
              veksha50 25 November 2015 16: 55
              +2
              Quote: NEXUS
              As I said, why not flood the tanker at the exit to the open sea in order to block the way for other ships? The torpedo is apparently too obvious, but with the help of combat swimmers just right.



              Hmm ... Then it’s better to stage a show allegedly with the attack and flooding of supposedly Somali pirates ... But what? Igilov fighters around the world walk freely, the same can be done by pirates of Somalia ...
            3. Maj.
              Maj. 25 November 2015 17: 20
              0
              which on x ... a torpedo. Two people shot down the plane, the war. And if they shoot at you in the war, then this is the enemy and it must be destroyed at least. Or at least try to answer. But we desalinate everything, drill about all kinds of crap. We must definitely fight back. We are beaten and we are sorry, we chew our snot and wipe ourselves from spitting. It’s war, but in the war either you or you. What kind of torpedoes ???
              1. NEXUS
                NEXUS 25 November 2015 17: 38
                +3
                Quote: major
                which on x ... a torpedo. Two people shot down the plane, the war. And if they shoot at you in the war, then this is the enemy and it must be destroyed at least. Or at least try to answer. But we desalinate everything, drill about all kinds of crap. We must definitely fight back. We are beaten and we are sorry, we chew our snot and wipe ourselves from spitting. It’s war, but in the war either you or you. What kind of torpedoes ???

                Dear Chapai, check your whereabouts. Where to fight back if there are more than 10 of our citizens in Turkey. First you need to take people, not only tourists, but also workers and diplomats, and then fight back. Our hands are still connected, Do you understand it or not?
                So far, all our citizens who roam the expanses of Turkey are being taken out, countermeasures are being considered and prepared in response to this diversion.
              2. anfil
                anfil 25 November 2015 17: 53
                +1
                Maj.
                what a torpedo ... A plane was shot down by two dead, a war. And if you are shot at in a war, then it is an enemy and it must be destroyed at least. Or at least try to answer.


                <...> Having already studied the forms and methods of the Russian leadership and its love for asymmetric responses, I suppose that they will not sign Russia to such a primitive two-move "you shot down, we shot down", and will not bring such joy to "our Western partners." The answer is likely to be complex, but not at all the one calculated by the drafts and poker aces from Ankara and Langley. The first subtle hint of fat circumstances was demonstrated by a well-known travel agency in narrow circles, which suspended the sale of tours to popular Turkish resorts. The second, most likely, will be the shutdown of the smuggled flow of oil from Iraq and Syria to Turkey. The third is the suspension of energy projects by Russia itself.

                But it's all the cherries on the cake. The main and most interesting result of this Turkish activity will be completely different. Turkey does not even suspect that today it has taken a huge step towards Kurdistan, as a state well armed with all types of modern weapons, including anti-aircraft missile systems capable of effectively combating Turkish aviation. Let me remind you of the map of this state and draw attention to the fact that today's incident in the sky occurred exactly over its territory.

                Of course, I will not be able to get into the heads of Kremlin strategists, but just such a development of events would today be both an adequate and quite sensitive response to Turkish amateur performances. Look at what an interesting configuration is drawn right away.

                source:http://seva-riga.livejournal.com/611208.html



                If the result of the lesson that Russia cannot be touched is the collapse of Turkey, then so be it.
                1. olimpiada15
                  olimpiada15 25 November 2015 18: 46
                  +3
                  I understand that the map is justified, but I would like to add a couple of seas to the long-suffering Kurds, for the treachery of the Turks.
            4. Seaman77
              Seaman77 25 November 2015 18: 22
              +2
              Quote: NEXUS
              why not flood the tanker at the exit to the open sea,


              Dear NEXUS, tell me please, "exit to the open sea" is where ?????
              I do not ask for coordinates, but at least indicate the area .... wassat
              1. NEXUS
                NEXUS 25 November 2015 18: 32
                +1
                Quote: Seaman77
                Dear NEXUS, tell me please, "exit to the open sea" is where ?????
                I do not ask for coordinates, but at least indicate the area ....

                I talked about ports hi
                For example, the port of Izmir (38 ° 25 'N, 27 ° 09' E)
                1. Seaman77
                  Seaman77 25 November 2015 19: 02
                  +2
                  I know where Izmir is, I've been there. I asked where is the notorious "exit to the open sea" repeat

                  By the way, for information, the Turks stole oil from Ceyhan in the Iskanderun Bay. My advice to you, for the sake of interest, take a look at the depths on the way and estimate how many tankers you need to flood there ... hi
          2. Silkway0026
            Silkway0026 25 November 2015 16: 54
            30
            Erdogan is already breaking a lot - in Novorossiysk, in the port, ALL perishable goods (vegetables and fruits) are subject to "customs requests":
            1. 100% inspection, 2. weighing, xnumx. MIDK (X-ray), 3. cracking.
            EACH operation - from $ 180 to $ 240 per container. And after all this nightmare - Rosselkhoznador, which "suddenly" finds flies and bugs in ALL TURKISH containers without exception. And this is re-export to the homeland. This is a perishable, silo will come home.
            One day - several tens of millions of dollars of losses ...

            Py.Sy. Two ferries today directly from the raid returned to Samsun. Erdogan has a ton of news today ....
            1. dauria
              dauria 25 November 2015 17: 30
              +8
              - Rosselkhoznador, which "suddenly" finds flies and bugs in ALL TURKISH containers without exception.


              It’s terrible, damn it, it’s terrible ... To recall your ambassador, to throw them out, to take out tourists, close the borders with Turkey
              ... Armed forces - in high alert in the barracks. Some are full. And let, ... let the whole world walk a couple of days along such an edge, so that theirs and our "liberals, citizens of the world" understand that there is something more serious than jamon and foie gras.
              Scary, but after the Caribbean crisis, a lot of people on the planet wiser. Not like flying, they’ll be afraid to fart once again.
              1. your1970
                your1970 25 November 2015 18: 59
                +2
                October 8 1950 in 16.17 local time two US Air Force fighters Lockheed F-80C “Shooting Star” (“Meteor”) violated the state border of the USSR and, going deeper by almost 100 km, attacked the Sukhaja ​​Rechka military airfield in 165 km from Vladivostok, in the Khasansky district. As a result of shelling, seven aircraft of the Soviet squadron were damaged by US Air Force aircraft in the parking lot, one of which was completely burned out.
                Not long ago, one of the owners of Coca-Cola Bottling Co. in Washington to a question from a Russian journalist: “What do you know about the incident that took place at 1950 on the dry airfield? In your opinion, was it a provocation or a mistake? ”Answered:“ This incident has become a disgrace for the USA. The idea that the two pilots did not know where they were, did not know the location of the Soviet border and were not able to understand what kind of airfield they were attacking, it seems incredible.
                The United States stated that the blow was struck due to an error in navigation and an incorrect assessment of the situation. The commander of the Air Force was removed, and the pilots were punished. States offered to pay damages. The USSR decided not to inflate the scandal. ” And a former participant in the fighting in Korea added: "The incident on the Dry River is still being silenced, and most likely you will not be able to find a person in the US who would hear about him ...".

                If then the USSR would plummet in response, we might be there wouldn’t be now ..
                I.V. Stalin was not a pacifist, he was responsible for the people and knew what war was ..
                Think with your head fool
                “War is not poker for you! It cannot be announced when it pleases! ”© The same Munchausen

                Z.Y. if you have never encountered serious regulatory authorities at the border, this is your happiness ..
                This weapon is sufficiently serious - there is still upon returning after re-export continuation-the importation into Turkey of this good is prohibited (in fact of quarantine facilities) -that is. re-fumigation (loot!), and then destruction / disposal (loot!) of the missing perishable factories (loot!) - wherever such things get destroyed.
                If what writes Silkway0026 - the truth is that the hair from Erdogan’s bald patches will begin to tear up in literally 5-7 days, and this will be very noticeable on the news, given the fact that the United States has turned away ...
                1. Ajent cho
                  Ajent cho 26 November 2015 00: 15
                  0
                  War is not poker for you! It can not be announced when it pleases!
                  Bad example because war was nevertheless declared, and England ultimately declared surrender.
            2. Ze Kot
              Ze Kot 25 November 2015 17: 41
              -2
              It is necessary to carry out exercises in the Southern Military District. Collection of reservists (partisans smile ) with the conclusion of technology in the field.

              Plus aircraft to drop and offshore delivery vehicles. Where is the impact craft? wink
            3. lshka
              lshka 25 November 2015 21: 13
              +2
              Well, I can’t put the pluses yet = (((, and plus
        2. cniza
          cniza 25 November 2015 16: 06
          +4
          Only it is necessary to work hard and quickly, otherwise Turkey and the United States have already agreed on joint control.
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        4. Geisenberg
          Geisenberg 25 November 2015 16: 24
          +4
          Quote: Baikonur
          closing is ours
          No, let them help, let them show how they "don't like" IGo! And we will look with our keen eye! Let's make the Motherland love, b..lin!

          It is necessary to plow the control and track strip along the line of the All borders of Syria, and squeeze the ring until it turns into a POINT!


          To admit them to the border in Syria is just like a goat to cabbage. Most likely they will not want to leave later.
          1. veksha50
            veksha50 25 November 2015 16: 57
            -1
            Quote: Geisenberg

            To admit them to the border in Syria is just like a goat to cabbage. Most likely they will not want to leave later.


            Hmm ... And where should the Turks go "then"???

            This is their border ...

            Or do you mean the custodians ???
            1. hydrox
              hydrox 25 November 2015 17: 10
              +1
              Well, yes, the French brought all of their aircraft to Syria and put them along the border ...
              Never mind :: well, fart peasant ...
            2. dr. sem
              dr. sem 25 November 2015 17: 40
              +2
              For chocks, a demilitarized zone on the border due to their territory is suitable. Some 150-300 kilometers from the current Syrian-Turkish line deep into Churian territory, and the Kurds will ensure order in it ...
        5. Persistent
          Persistent 25 November 2015 17: 41
          +5
          Soon in news feeds:
          Turkey expelled from NATO. Posthumously. laughing

          Turkey is somewhat reminiscent of a bastard kid from the time of the yard wars - he shit in a neighboring yard and runs to the older boys to seek protection.

          In Turks, like lobsters, the brain is located in the throat, the nervous system is in the abdomen, the teeth are in the stomach, and the kidneys are in the head.
          In addition, lobsters hear with their feet, taste food with claws and, like people, are right-handed and left-handed.
          And after all this, do you still want to listen and chat with them?
        6. zheka
          zheka 25 November 2015 19: 14
          -3
          France is the only country in Europe that I respect.
          1. Ze Kot
            Ze Kot 25 November 2015 23: 31
            0
            Quote: zheka
            France is the only country in Europe that I respect.



            Yeah ??? What is this for?
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      2. Fidget
        Fidget 25 November 2015 15: 58
        +3
        I think it's too early to draw conclusions ... suddenly they could not appear! in a couple of days the picture will be clearer
      3. Good me
        Good me 25 November 2015 15: 58
        +1
        Quote: anEkeName
        The brains appeared in Paris.


        So, Holland, and the flag in your hands, NATO ... Let them waving, and call (forcing) the ally in the bloc to close the borders.
      4. KOH
        KOH 25 November 2015 15: 59
        +6
        In Bataklan, their brains were set ... they immediately wiser ...
      5. AlexTires
        AlexTires 25 November 2015 16: 03
        10
        You might think Hollande did not know before that Turkey is one of the main accomplices and creators of terrorism around the world. But only after the attacks in Paris, when the involvement of the Western world in the creation of terrorism became difficult to hide, Hollande began to say something reasonable.
      6. Geisenberg
        Geisenberg 25 November 2015 16: 23
        +3
        Quote: anEkeName
        The brains appeared in Paris. Who will turn off the next fool? Or doesn’t it reach without terrorist attacks?


        Well, it’s not difficult))) The one who has boys with assault rifles in the capital and blows up and shoot a couple of hundred people ... It’s another thing to turn on a late brain.
      7. meriem1
        meriem1 25 November 2015 16: 38
        +1
        Quote: anEkeName
        The brains appeared in Paris. Who will turn off the next fool? Or doesn’t it reach without terrorist attacks?


        Hollande I hope does not include the rear at the expense of the border !!!! And the people in Turkey are absolutely intelligible !!!! Not that the government. Crazy ideas lead to actions that cannot be fixed.
      8. dr. sem
        dr. sem 25 November 2015 17: 35
        +1
        The brain in Paris after the tragic terrorist attacks appeared. They said that an avalanche of freshly shaven "refugees-shmegens" would finally shut down a prosperous life in Europe in general and in France, in particular ...
    2. jjj
      jjj 25 November 2015 15: 55
      29
      There is another curious fact. Turkish teleoperators pre-arranged professional cameras on tripods in order to photograph the hit and fall of our aircraft from different angles
      1. edmed
        edmed 25 November 2015 16: 19
        +7
        And not only that, on the video with the destruction of Mi-8, the TOU operator is in no hurry and is not afraid, although the Mi-24 flew, and if everything is folded: the downed Su, destroyed by Mi, 2 more helicopters were damaged, then the trap was built long and carefully .
      2. self-propelled
        self-propelled 25 November 2015 16: 53
        +3
        Quote: jjj
        There is another curious fact. Turkish teleoperators pre-arranged professional cameras on tripods in order to photograph the hit and fall of our aircraft from different angles

        I will give as an example a couple of photos.
        in the bottom corner ... everyone's favorite Reuters news agency, known for its coverage of events in Ukraine ...
        those. we have a prepared and carefully planned provocation against Russia in Syria. Performed by Turkey. Did you know the "older brothers" from overseas? Judging by their confused comments, the official authorities are not quite (otherwise, all the world's media would already have a howl that our plane flew over Turkish territory for a long time and was stubbornly shot down "strictly within ...").
      3. g1v2
        g1v2 25 November 2015 17: 27
        +7
        And there was no doubt that this was not an accident. The Turks already considered this territory to be their own until the Russian Federation drew on. So they decided to show that this is their zone of influence. There is infa that Turkish f3 4 or 16 times before this took our planes over Latakia at gunpoint. Ours are already used to it. And then an unexpected man, damn it. That's just the Turks with our mentality were wrong. When they give us a face, we do not run or apologize, but give an even stronger response. In general, the Turks can put their claims on mountain latakia into the anus, and the Turks can prepare refugee camps and open new cemeteries. am
    3. lukke
      lukke 25 November 2015 15: 57
      +8
      Well done French, deflection counted
      This is not deflection, this is the inclusion of the brain (though belatedly). The flow of tourists from .... through Turkey, the French are tired!
    4. 79807420129
      79807420129 25 November 2015 15: 57
      13
      Well, if Erdogan if we close the border, then no Vaseline will help your point, the hollow will be with a crow's nest.
    5. Bayonet
      Bayonet 25 November 2015 15: 58
      0
      Quote: Ajent Cho Well done, French, the deflection is counted, take a pie from the shelf and step aside, do not get in the way. [/ Quote

      Not smart, not witty. negative
    6. the most important
      the most important 25 November 2015 16: 00
      +6
      Quote: Ajent Cho
      Well done French, take a pie from a shelf and step aside, do not interfere underfoot.

      They need to put a pie in their mouth to keep silent for a long time. In general, this arrogance is a continuation of arrogance in Ukraine, when the tan and his assistants dictate what and how to do Russia. And instead of a harsh answer, there was complete silence both on the events in Odessa on May 2 and on the destruction of the Donbass. And tomorrow we’ll wait for the Baltic states to begin to fan their fingers! We must already understand once and for all: if someone points to Russia with a finger what to do, then this finger must be pulled out immediately in the neck area !!
    7. Vend
      Vend 25 November 2015 16: 01
      +4
      Quote: Ajent Cho
      The initiative is yours, the closure is ours. Well done French, the deflection is counted, take a pie from the shelf and step aside, do not interfere underfoot.

      Here it is not a matter of deflection. The thing is fear. The French want to close the issue of ISIS forever. Otherwise, fear will always haunt them.
      1. SRC P-15
        SRC P-15 25 November 2015 16: 15
        +7
        Moscow fully shares the opinion of the French authorities on the need to completely close the border between Turkey and Syria.

        There is only one nuance: France, most likely, wants to close the border between Turkey and Syria with NATO forces, and Russia is unlikely to have a place there. And we all know perfectly well how their coalition is fighting with IS, and therefore we also know the result of their "closure" of this border. Therefore, we need to send them all to hell and establish control over this region ourselves, so that not a single “Islamist mouse” can slip through!
        1. veksha50
          veksha50 25 November 2015 17: 11
          +3
          Quote: СРЦ П-15
          we need to send them all to hell and establish control over this region ourselves, so that not a single “Islamist mouse” can slip through!


          This is already a ground operation ...

          Russia does not have such forces, and why should our people die on the Turkish-Syrian border? Tajik border is not enough ???

          And there are Mujahideen, and here ... Again I will return to Kedmi's words: first of all, it is necessary to destroy financiers ... But Mujahideen should be soaked with the whole world, in any territory ... Only then can extremism-terrorism be defeated ...
          1. SRC P-15
            SRC P-15 25 November 2015 18: 11
            +2
            Quote: veksha50
            Russia does not have such forces, and why should our people die on the Turkish-Syrian border? Tajik border is not enough ???

            I meant the Syrian army - we need to help them regain control of the border. Our sky, their earth!
      2. hydrox
        hydrox 25 November 2015 16: 27
        +2
        You shouldn’t encourage the divantenant: a hero found himself, tapped the floor with his tail: "Yes, we will close the border here once!" And this osto lop thought, how many ground units do we need to carry out this operation?
        So many of the Syrian armed forces can’t!
        And how many coffins will this go on thought?
        1. Bayonet
          Bayonet 25 November 2015 16: 38
          0
          Quote: hydrox
          In vain you encourage a divanentant: there was a hero, he tapped the floor with his tail

          Correctly write, shabby schoolboy with his stupid thought-exercises!
          1. U-96
            U-96 25 November 2015 16: 53
            0
            Quote: Bayonet
            Correctly write, shabby schoolboy with his stupid thought-exercises!

            kamerad ... well, you are ...
            Quote: Bayonet
            thought exercises

            eight-letter form .. Not all shkolota and read to the end. Of it, half of it is like this: a construction battalion, bulldozers, a wall.
            ps snow on the GIF, of course - fallout.
    8. PQ-18
      PQ-18 25 November 2015 16: 11
      -1
      Well done French, deflection counted

      Well, that's where without THEM .. "these"? lol
      These French (political) prostitutes ?? what
      with Sakartvelians ("Georgians") angry in 2008. helped to "settle" ..
      and then "neatly subscribed" to the "Turkish gambit" ... belay
      oh yes Hollande ... ah yes - sukin son! request
    9. Ramzaj99
      Ramzaj99 25 November 2015 17: 44
      0
      Quote: Ajent Cho
      Russia supports Paris initiative on complete closure of border between Turkey and Syria

      Minami remotely fill the entire uncontrolled border line in 3 layers !!!! Whatever Turkish gni.da crawled through.
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  2. oleg-gr
    oleg-gr 25 November 2015 15: 51
    10
    Not only close the border, but also establish a no-fly zone on parts of Turkish territory. The kind that the Turks dreamed of introducing over Syria. And to open the dushmans in the border zone.
    1. Fidget
      Fidget 25 November 2015 15: 52
      +5
      The Turkish stream, in my opinion, from the very beginning was not a good idea = (
      although it is possible here the gambit is played out? .. =)
      If we take into account the speed of the aircraft and the time indicated by the military - 5 minutes, then it turns out that our Air Force began to warn the Russian crew at the very moment when the plane just took off from the airfield?

      something familiar pipe played ... doesn’t remind anyone else ?!
    2. hydrox
      hydrox 25 November 2015 16: 29
      0
      Will you go open or invite blacks?
  3. REXSTORZ
    REXSTORZ 25 November 2015 15: 51
    +2
    Let's see how the French will beat ig
  4. lukke
    lukke 25 November 2015 15: 52
    15
    Lavrov has an Armenian father
    damn what am I doing this ?!) And also pinned:
    HOT TOURS! CASE TO GO TO ISTANBUL UNTIL HE HAS BECOME A KONSTANTINOPOL!
    1. venaya
      venaya 25 November 2015 15: 56
      +2
      Quote: lukke
      Lavrov’s father is Armenian ... damn, what am I doing ?!)

      This is all to great good! We have been waiting for support for a long time, such moral support is more expensive than participation itself, which nobody really needs from the French.
    2. jjj
      jjj 25 November 2015 15: 56
      0
      If not a mountain to Mohammed, then Mohammed to a mountain?
  5. sever.56
    sever.56 25 November 2015 15: 52
    +2
    So we only- "For" ... !!! It is time to stop the oil ball of Turkish citizens led by Erdogan's son Bilal and the uncontrolled flow of weapons and militants to Syria.
  6. Stanislav 1978
    Stanislav 1978 25 November 2015 15: 53
    +2
    Close the border and the no-fly zone 50 km from the border towards Turkey
    1. jjj
      jjj 25 November 2015 15: 58
      +4
      And they with the Americans want to settle refugees in this region in order to cover the bases of terrorists and oil supplies from the Islamic State with Erdogan’s son.
      1. Stanislav 1978
        Stanislav 1978 25 November 2015 16: 14
        0
        And they with the Americans want to settle refugees in this region in order to cover the bases of terrorists and oil supplies from the Islamic State with Erdogan’s son.

        Let these bearded ones settle, only on the Turkish side of the border and the border should be tightly closed, so that if something happens they will have no more way to Turkey.
    2. aleks 62 next
      aleks 62 next 25 November 2015 16: 17
      +1
      .... Close the border and the no-fly zone to organize 50 km from the border towards Turkey

      .... 50km - not enough ..... It is necessary not less than 100km .... At a speed of 900km / h the plane passes per minute for about 12km .... The time of an air defense missile approach at a maximum range of 250km - about 4 minutes ... .A if the plane is on M-1,2-1,4, then it will fly by more (about 60-80 km) ....
  7. prabiz
    prabiz 25 November 2015 15: 55
    +3
    Close the border deafly with traitors!
  8. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 25 November 2015 15: 55
    +3
    Well done users, but this is a drop in the ocean of users! The fact that Erdogan smacks of nonsense, and nonsense screeches became clear immediately! It’s just that the guys played too obviously, they’ll have to disentangle for a long time.
  9. Reserve officer
    Reserve officer 25 November 2015 15: 55
    11
    To be honest, I did not expect such an initiative from Hollande. Terrorist attacks in Paris aroused the instinct of self-preservation? I wish I got rid of the lack of servility in front of the States, then we can cooperate.
    1. BARKHAN
      BARKHAN 25 November 2015 18: 41
      +4
      Yes, it’s just that Oland is already preparing for the elections in May 2017. It remains a year and a half, and the cat burst into tears ... And now, riding a soiled battle horse into Paris ... it's almost Napoleon's ... True, there is a risk of riding on a shabby donkey. ..But that's another story.
  10. Decathlon
    Decathlon 25 November 2015 15: 55
    10
    Hard times, however, are advancing into NATO! Some are demented for dementia, others are negotiating with the enemy for joint action! The last hope remains - the Baltic states .... repeat
  11. sir_obs
    sir_obs 25 November 2015 15: 55
    +3
    As always, it was restrained ... I could never, like Lavrov, restrain my emotions and speak harshly, but within the framework of diplomatic politeness.
    For me it’s necessary to be the first to beat, and the shutter speed should be exactly at that time in order to precisely aim.
  12. Pharao7766
    Pharao7766 25 November 2015 15: 57
    13
    And where did they find such users in Turkey ?!
    Yesterday, on YouTube, I watched videos with the fall of our SU-24 and the shooting of MI-8.
    So there you go! Even the Americans expressed themselves in support of Russia (the mininum was that they said that Turkey was firmly stuck),
    and only two people squirted with joy and curses at us: skakly and Turks (well, plus any frostbitten obviously Igilov plan)
    Please note, my comment is not incitement to hatred, etc. this is what was in the comments.
    And there I think there were adequate people.
    1. ALEA IACTA EST
      ALEA IACTA EST 25 November 2015 16: 11
      +3
      Quote: Pharao7766
      skakly

      Once again, demonstrated to the world their animal essence.
  13. Wedmak
    Wedmak 25 November 2015 15: 59
    +3
    Has France fought against its NATO ally? Or, again, paves the way for an exit from this organization when the fried smells? Only then a bunch of questions: Who will close? Okay, we’ll let the air defense systems put everyone down to earth. And in case of clashes, the French will fight against the Turks? Or are we again?
    1. hydrox
      hydrox 25 November 2015 16: 41
      +2
      And here there is only one option left: first Assad deals with Daesh and other scumbags (you don’t mind if we kill the entire Asad’s opposition out of the bucket?), And when we clear the territory, Assad will have to arrange the border from scratch, that will pull another three years, no less.
    2. BARKHAN
      BARKHAN 25 November 2015 18: 44
      +4
      Yes, in Europe, Turks are perceived as the same Arabs, only slightly washed ...
  14. Kibl
    Kibl 25 November 2015 15: 59
    +8
    What Hollande says is one thing, but what the eared macaque will tell him is another matter. It would be nice to back up the words with real deeds! They said to close, so close, pull something!
  15. kit-kat
    kit-kat 25 November 2015 16: 01
    +2
    Now the main thing is not to linger. And then from the application to the implementation, as is usual with us, a lot of time can pass. And you need to do everything quickly. Today's statement - tomorrow the border is locked.
  16. Zena20298
    Zena20298 25 November 2015 16: 02
    12
    And about the abolition of a visa-free regime with Turkey, they are silent ... Are they waiting for our tourists to return from there? These bearded hares come to our country after all, and across this border ...
    1. marna
      marna 25 November 2015 16: 13
      +2
      Quote: Zena20298
      And about the abolition of a visa-free regime with Turkey, they are silent ...

      That surprises me. How long will the militants go back and forth unhindered ...
  17. Strezhevchanin
    Strezhevchanin 25 November 2015 16: 02
    +2
    And this master of faith is NOT. I generally can not understand what it was.
    Well, what about Europe? Will we extend the saktion?
  18. Mercenary
    Mercenary 25 November 2015 16: 03
    +7
    It’s high time to stuff Syria with electronic warfare devices so that they couldn’t even take off, and if anyone couldn’t get the way back, so that the Earth was flat on their devices and had 3 elephants. wassat
  19. ALEA IACTA EST
    ALEA IACTA EST 25 November 2015 16: 08
    +1
    It would also be nice to cover the border areas of Turkey with a bubble ...
  20. mik0588
    mik0588 25 November 2015 16: 09
    +3
    With Courage:

    They write that for 8 hours they have been continuously hammering the Jabal Tourkman mountains in Latakia
    1. AdekvatNICK
      AdekvatNICK 25 November 2015 16: 19
      0
      where is the information from? Who writes?
      1. Riv
        Riv 25 November 2015 16: 57
        +3
        Something like this...
  21. ydjin
    ydjin 25 November 2015 16: 09
    +2
    It's high time to close the borders! The Turks have lost weight, they want to eat a fish and not sit on x. But we could be friends, work together for the common good ... It seems that the current policies of our "partners" have degraded to the level of monkeys!
  22. Belousov
    Belousov 25 November 2015 16: 10
    +1
    It was high time to close. It is a pity that for the realization of such a need had to pay two lives of our soldiers. By blocking the transit of smuggled oil, weapons, and militants, Turkey and Igil can be seriously weakened.
  23. megaanatoli4
    megaanatoli4 25 November 2015 16: 11
    +1
    And it will be interesting for me to see if the border is closed, will France shoot down Turkish planes that violate Syrian airspace or will they destroy Turkish soldiers in such a case?
  24. Prisoner
    Prisoner 25 November 2015 16: 13
    +1
    Erdogan to blame. Just stop carrying your money to the Turks. They themselves will fill up this bastard. And F-16 pilots have heart failure! I don’t think I have forgotten how!
  25. Mr. Fun
    Mr. Fun 25 November 2015 16: 15
    +3
    RIA Novosti cites a statement by Sergei Lavrov:
    We have serious doubts that this was an unintended act. This is very similar to a planned action.

    But what doubt can there be ?! Everything is clear as God's day.
    In general, we can expect anything from our current authorities and specifically Erdogan ...

    Why, they didn’t expect such a focus from them ...
    complete closure of the Turkish-Syrian border - a clear need

    Everything is correct, "banned" to hell and all the cases. Plus control with the help of the S-300 (S-400), so that there is not even a thought to unlearn something again. And let them sit there in their Turkey with the eyes of a fucking mouse ...

  26. Prisoner
    Prisoner 25 November 2015 16: 24
    +1
    It is a pity that at such a price, but the Turkish sh-a-l-ava business was losing it. Erdogasha, you bastard and d-u-cancer !!
  27. YaMZ-238
    YaMZ-238 25 November 2015 16: 28
    0
    Let's see what happens from this ...
  28. saltickov.
    saltickov. 25 November 2015 16: 37
    0
    No, that's what bothered me, we won’t fight with the Turks, as if a little approving. And they immediately exhaled it for them, and the rest is talking and talking. We need to take a break, like, let's see what to do with you. There’s no Russian language they don’t understand this for sure, then you need to attract institutions to put a number into their empty heads. The double standards they have become boring as it sounds for them, I must say you creatures are double-faced, maybe then it will reach them. Our guys feel sorry for eternal memory, died for the world.
    1. NeRTT
      NeRTT 25 November 2015 16: 48
      0
      Only one died ... Bright Memory of the Hero !!! And the Turks must be delayed in all directions: from export to tourist, etc. !! Let the turnips scratch without income ... maybe the pumpkin Erdogansk will ring ...
  29. AdekvatNICK
    AdekvatNICK 25 November 2015 16: 40
    0
    the already low Erdogan rating may even become higher for some time, but this is until 15 percent of the internal GDP is stepped into the abyss due to the cancellation of tours to Turkey from Russia. And further losses from cheap igilovskaya oil. And what will Ankara be make money besides prostitution and Turkish delight.
  30. Lekxnumx
    Lekxnumx 25 November 2015 16: 49
    +1
    Yes, do not believe this garbage that is written about social networks, the Turks rejoice for the most part and not only Turkish but also Azerbaijani Turks just read ohu.az. I could discard their joyful responses and Az-tsev and Turks but I think the site rules should not be allowed. Az-on ANS TV channel Elgiz’s TV show justified Turkey’s actions for half an hour. You can draw your own conclusions and debate. You can go there for more cultural people, but you can still read interesting things from the Turks.
  31. ML-334
    ML-334 25 November 2015 16: 52
    +2
    Monument to the pilot. With his feat, he untied Russia’s hands. The enemy threw off the sheep’s skin showing his jackal inside. With God.
  32. Fight cat
    Fight cat 25 November 2015 16: 55
    0
    apparently no one wants to start the third world war, although in fact it has been going on for a long time, most likely it will be like in the last Russian-Turkish war, the Turks will lose on all fronts, and then the Euroreich and the USA fit. recourse We will arrange another Crimean war with the defense of Sevastopol angry
  33. scrap123
    scrap123 25 November 2015 16: 55
    0
    still, along the border of pieces so 10 "Satan" missiles to land and then close
  34. dukalis
    dukalis 25 November 2015 16: 58
    +1
    I think so like Europe
    Fights terror then
    Paris will send
    Close the egg
    Frontier benefit experience
    He has (euro shaft)
  35. meriem1
    meriem1 25 November 2015 17: 02
    0
    A detailed diagram of the position of aircraft here http://news.rambler.ru/world/32039796/
  36. Fonmeg
    Fonmeg 25 November 2015 17: 03
    0
    And in the meantime:
    The General Staff of Turkey conducted one of the largest recent operations to patrol the Turkish-Syrian border.

    As reported in a widespread statement by the General Staff, 18 F-16 fighters were simultaneously involved in the operation.

    The military did not provide information on which specific sections of the border were monitored.

    Meanwhile, according to the Anatolian Agency, the military command after the incident with a shot down Russian plane transferred an additional 20 tanks from the western regions to the Hatay province on the border with Syria. “The tanks were delivered to the city of Gaziantep by rail and loaded onto army trucks. Under the escort of the police and gendarmerie, they were taken to the location of the Fifth Armored Brigade, ”the agency said.

    Since the beginning of the year, the General Staff at the Syrian border began to concentrate large army contingents that are tasked with protecting the border. In addition, to the south of Hatay province in Syria is a region inhabited by ethnic Turkmen. Ankara declares that it is extremely concerned about the air strikes being carried out by the Russian Aerospace Forces in these territories.
    Today, 16: 27
  37. bad
    bad 25 November 2015 17: 10
    +4
    Quote: Silkway0026
    Erdogan is already breaking a lot - in Novorossiysk, in the port, ALL perishable goods (vegetables and fruits) are subject to "customs requests":
    1. 100% inspection, 2. weighing, xnumx. MIDK (X-ray), 3. cracking.
    EACH operation - from $ 180 to $ 240 per container. And after all this nightmare - Rosselkhoznador, which "suddenly" finds flies and bugs in ALL TURKISH containers without exception. And this is re-export to the homeland. This is a perishable, silo will come home.
    One day - several tens of millions of dollars of losses ...

    Py.Sy. Two ferries today directly from the raid returned to Samsun. Erdogan has a ton of news today ....
    ... an interesting approach .. and you can’t find fault, the customs is working laughing
  38. mik0588
    mik0588 25 November 2015 17: 13
    +6
    The Turks "caught" Russian planes for several days. When our aircraft took off, the Turks immediately raised their own, and when our IS approached the area of ​​hostilities, there were constantly from four to six Turkish F-16s in the air. Several times the Turkish command brought the couple closest to the border to the line of attack, but on approaching it returned back, explaining these actions by the "escort" of foreign aircraft. Yesterday, a pair of Turkish fighters began intercepting the Russian fighter-bomber even before it approached the Turkish border and was in an attack position actually at the time of its approach to the target, when the IS was turning along the border with Turkey, entering the target. That is, it was actually in ambush in readiness to intercept. At that moment, the Russian fighter-bomber was turning along the border of Syria and Turkey, being in the airspace of Syria, three kilometers from the border. And from a distance of four kilometers, under an angle of three quarters, our Su-24 was shot down into the rear hemisphere by a missile with the IKGSN "Sidewinder", while the missile was actually launched over the border of Turkey and Syria, after which the Turkish F-16 invaded Syrian airspace at least four kilometers. The rocket hit the engine, both pilots ejected. The crew commander was shot by Islamists in the air and landed already dead. His body was found and seized by militants.
    The navigator pilot survived and was able to land successfully. Landing occurred on the forest slope of the mountain. This gave him a small head start and he was able to escape from the landing site to the approach of the Islamist capture group. Throughout the day, militant units combed the area in search of a Russian pilot, but could not find it. The pilot constantly moved and disguised himself. When darkness fell, the pilot contacted the emergency radio station and let him know that he was alive and indicated his location. It is interesting that almost immediately in the area where the pilot was hiding, a column of militants went from the nearest village and began an active radio exchange, which indicates that Turkish interceptors immediately transmitted information about the pilot's whereabouts to the militants.
    With the onset of darkness, several of our PSS special forces groups advanced into the area, as well as Syrian special forces operating in this area. At about twenty-three hours, the pilot was met by Syrian special forces located in the rear of the militants, and by two o'clock in the night he was taken to the territory controlled by the Syrian army, and at three o'clock in the morning he was delivered to the Khmeimim base.
    vk.com/feed?...l-38149536_9687
  39. kunstkammer
    kunstkammer 25 November 2015 17: 18
    0
    Quote: AlexTires
    You might think Hollande did not know before that Turkey is one of the main accomplices and creators of terrorism around the world.

    to all appearances, our leaders "did not know" before that Turkey is an accomplice of terrorism.
    And that's all: "our friends and partners"! Pancake!
  40. epsilon571
    epsilon571 25 November 2015 17: 21
    -1
    Everything that the frogs say is mudoten, and from our side the "comrades" from Turkey got off with a severe reprimand and a break in military cooperation. So we rubbed ourselves off once again, and what will happen next will be unknown. It looks like everything ends as always talking shop and will end soon. It's good that the pilots were found and rescued, and of course they were deservedly awarded. To those who died for the Fatherland, our Eternal Memory! I will not vote for United Russia or Putin in the upcoming elections, and I do not advise you. Amen!
  41. Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 25 November 2015 17: 21
    +1
    Every bastard who interferes with the fight against terrorism is the essence of the terrorist.
  42. Lekxnumx
    Lekxnumx 25 November 2015 17: 23
    +4
    Here is the excuse for the Turks in the report that this is the voice of the F-16 pilots who started warning the SU-24 30 miles before approaching the Turkish border and did not receive an answer. What the hell did Russian pilots have to answer if 30 miles away from the border? Turkish logic, we they were warned flew for 17 seconds and knocked down. My personal conclusion is nonsense just by their meager minds avenged the Turkoman defending their nomadic brothers. What should Russia do personally for me? wipe out Turkoman settlements from the face of the earth so that the Turks understand how they defended. PS Read the comments below the video and see how the Ukrainians of Ukrainians and Turks of all stripes rejoice at the misfortune, for my surprise, the reason was that Az-tsi came second in joy after Ukrainians. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGu-zCvURCo
  43. 54RG3
    54RG3 25 November 2015 17: 35
    0
    I did it on my knee. If someone does not speak in an enemy:
    Thanksgiving - Thanksgiving, for dinner in the United States it is customary to eat a turkey. Turkey - turkey. Turkey - Turkey.
  44. Foxmara
    Foxmara 25 November 2015 17: 36
    +1
    All Russians now need a cold head as never before. The cold head of Erdogan.
  45. Mixweb
    Mixweb 25 November 2015 17: 44
    +1
    The head of the Duma committee on international affairs, Alexei Pushkov, commented on a statement by Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan that the Turkish Air Force, knocking down a Su-24, did not know that it was Russian.

    “Erdogan came up with the most implausible explanation for the actions of Turkey in the history of diplomacy: did they think that they shot down a plane from the USA or France?” - the parliamentarian wondered on his Twitter.
  46. Dikson
    Dikson 25 November 2015 17: 51
    -1
    The General Staff of Turkey conducted one of the largest recent operations to patrol the Turkish-Syrian border, which simultaneously involved 18 F-16 fighters, according to a statement issued by the General Staff on Wednesday .... So what? Frightened by the Turks? I'm afraid we will see our planes falling in the near future (((
  47. Bourgeois
    Bourgeois 25 November 2015 18: 04
    -1
    It would be necessary to support the Turkish Kurds. Arms to throw them ... MANPADS there, all that)))
    That will be fun.
    But seriously, it’s hard to believe that the Turks could cut such a joint. Well, I just can't believe it. After all, it’s a no brainer that the losses from the discord with the Russian Federation will be several orders of magnitude more severe than those that the Turks suffered, depriving them of oil from ISIS. Sooner or later, supplies from ISIS will stop, after the death of these "oil producers"), and the long-term prospects that the Turks could have from friendship with the Russian Federation are no longer at all long-term. And the question is, WHY ???? Why did the Turks do this ?? Well, there is no common sense in this act, even burst.
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS 25 November 2015 18: 09
      +4
      Quote: Bourgeois
      For what did the Turks do this ?? Well, there is no common sense in this act, even crack.

      If you assume for a moment that the decision to intercept and destroy our bomber was made not in Ankara, but somewhere in Washington, then everything will grow together hi
      1. sharp-lad
        sharp-lad 26 November 2015 00: 16
        +1
        First beat off your hands, then knock on a tambourine!
  48. pvv113
    pvv113 25 November 2015 18: 49
    +1
    Sergei Lavrov, during his speech, stated that the incident with the Russian Su-24 shot down by Turkish Air Force F-16 aircraft was like a carefully prepared provocation

    Information has already appeared in the media that the madman McCain gave advice to bring down the plane to Erdogan
    According to informed sources, Erdogan’s crazy act was done after consultation with Senator John McCain, an unsuccessful presidential candidate and the current head of the Senate Committee of the Armed Forces.
    McCain said Turkey had assurances that NATO commander General Philip Breedlove would “personally” control the defense of Turkey’s US strategic nuclear forces in the event of a direct confrontation with Russia.
    McCain assured Erdogan that the Pentagon was ready to go against Obama.
    The main thing that Erdogan does not understand is that McCain is increasingly becoming mentally unbalanced, representing a group of “end times”, religious extremists, whose ranks include Lindsey Graham, Ted Cruz, Rand Paul, etc., who have long been already dreaming of a nuclear Apocalypse

    http://cont.ws/post/152736
  49. BARKHAN
    BARKHAN 25 November 2015 18: 53
    +3
    BERLIN, November 25. / Corr. TASS Vyacheslav Filippov /. Turkey's shelling of a Russian plane exacerbates the situation in Syria. This was stated on Wednesday by German Chancellor Angela Merkel, speaking in the Bundestag. "After Turkey fired on a Russian plane, the situation worsened. We must do everything to de-escalate," she stressed.
    "I had a conversation with the Turkish Prime Minister and urged him to make every effort to defuse the situation," Merkel said. At the same time, the chancellor noted that "every country has the right to defend its territory." However, the situation in the region is already extremely difficult, she said.


    And notice how they wriggle ... It seems to have spoken out on the topic ... but nothing is clear.
    Except for one ... "Every country has the right to defend its territory"
    Is she talking about Syria? About an independent and sovereign state - Syria?
    1. sharp-lad
      sharp-lad 26 November 2015 00: 19
      +2
      Well, how can the chancellor of an occupied country talk about the sovereignty and independence of another country?
  50. stonks
    stonks 25 November 2015 19: 06
    +2
    Russian Foreign Minister says Moscow fully shares official opinion of France about the need to completely close the border of Turkey and Syria. Recall that earlier such a proposal was made by French President Hollande. Due to the fact that Turkey opens its borders to rescue militants from Russian air strikes, and also receives smuggled oil produced in Syria and Iraq with the assistance of ISIS terrorists, the complete closure of the Turkish-Syrian border is a clear necessity.


    But this is serious and interesting.

    Through this border, there is not only a flow of oil smuggling from Syria to Turkey, but also a flow of weapons and human resources for ISIS from Turkey to Syria. Moreover, with the knowledge and approval of Ankara. Indeed, in Turkish territory there are ISIS gang training camps.
    1. sharp-lad
      sharp-lad 26 November 2015 00: 29
      +1
      And since Turkey is a member of NATO, then ... NATO itself is directly involved in supporting Islamist terrorism! The "peacekeepers" are bad.