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Greece: If Greek air defense shot down Turkish aircraft for all violations of Greek airspace, then the Turkish Air Force would no longer have airplanes

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The strike inflicted by the Turkish Air Force on the Russian Su-24 bomber, whose crew acted within the framework of the anti-terrorist mission in Syria, is vigorously discussed in various countries around the world. A truly vivid reaction to what happened is observed in Greece. Despite the fact that the Greeks and Turks seem to represent one bloc - NATO - the Greek position is clearly far from being able to pat Erdogan in this situation. Frankly, the Greeks and previously could hardly be considered the clear allies of Turkey in NATO, although the statute of the North Atlantic military bloc theoretically suggests otherwise.


Greece: If Greek air defense shot down Turkish aircraft for all violations of Greek airspace, then the Turkish Air Force would no longer have airplanes


In the Greek edition Protothema actively discussing the question of why did the Turks suddenly become so fundamental in matters of flight aviation in border areas. From material:

Turkey for some reason never pays attention to subtleties when it systematically violates the airspace of Greece.


Moreover, not so long ago, the Greek Defense Minister proposed to build a NATO military base on one of the Greek islands during a meeting as part of NATO with the sole purpose: so that the military could record how many times Turkish military aircraft violated Greek airspace and report to Brussels.

In the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Greece, statistics are given on the truly astronomical number of violations of the Greek air lines by Turkish Air Force aircraft. So, according to the results of 10 months of the current year, Turkish aircraft violated the airspace of Greece (attention!) 1233 times (it turns out, several times a day)! Of these, 31 once Turkish aircraft allowed themselves to fly over the Greek land.

According to the apt expression of the Greek journalists, the Turkish Air Force would have reduced the number of planes to zero if Greek air defense forces shot down military planes every time they violated Greek airspace ...

The Greek Foreign Ministry sent a statement to the Foreign Ministry of the Russian Federation stating that it considers Turkey’s actions against the Russian aircraft "unfriendly and contrary to the principles of the fight against terrorism."

Recall that, according to the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, Su-24 RF Aerospace Force was shot down over the territory of Syria.
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  1. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 25 November 2015 14: 08
    41
    Brave Greeks, what's the matter? request
    1. I read the news
      I read the news 25 November 2015 14: 11
      13
      Probably that in response to the request of Greece to supply the S-300 complexes, Russia refused.
      1. Bashibuzuk
        Bashibuzuk 25 November 2015 14: 14
        +9
        Greece is a member of NATO.
        What complexes could we supply them?
        Refused? A finger at the temple did not twist?
        It would be necessary.
        1. Fregate
          Fregate 25 November 2015 14: 22
          15
          Quote: Bashibuzuk
          Greece is a member of NATO.
          What complexes could we supply them?
          Refused? A finger at the temple did not twist?
          It would be necessary.

          Turkey is also a (sexual) member of NATO and a couple of years ago they held a tender for the supply of air defense systems and our S-300 and Patriot participated in it. The Chinese counterpart S-300 won.
          1. crazyrom
            crazyrom 25 November 2015 18: 44
            +5
            We must urgently donate to Greece the regiment C-300 and 4 of ammunition to it! And let them have fun.
            1. BABA SHURA
              BABA SHURA 25 November 2015 19: 42
              +3
              Shoot down, the Greeks, there will be no one! If we wanted to, we could use the air force
          2. ikshacooper
            ikshacooper 26 November 2015 09: 03
            0
            This tender was canceled by Turkey in favor of creating its own air defense system.
        2. Major Yurik
          Major Yurik 25 November 2015 14: 34
          17
          Whether she is a member or not, I think Greece will figure it out herself, but the fact that the occupation of Cyprus by the Turkonoids is not recognized by either NATO or the UN is a fact! So the S-300 unloading at the port of the Cypriots is quite legitimate with the consent of Cyprus! negative
        3. Petrof
          Petrof 25 November 2015 15: 34
          +3
          Quote: Bashibuzuk
          What complexes could we supply them?


          what about bmp? why could they be delivered?
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      2. maxim1987
        maxim1987 25 November 2015 14: 15
        10
        Quote: I readNews
        Probably the fact that at the request of Greece to supply the S-300 complexes, Russia refused


        I think they’ve been there since 90’s
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      3. yushch
        yushch 25 November 2015 14: 18
        +8
        Quote: I readNews
        Probably that in response to the request of Greece to supply the S-300 complexes, Russia refused.

        In my opinion, the Greeks just have the S-300, which were originally intended for Cyprus.
        1. 16112014nk
          16112014nk 25 November 2015 14: 38
          +4
          It is Cyprus. After the indignant reaction of Turkey, the Greeks decided to establish the S-300 in Crete. Crete is already Greece.
      4. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 25 November 2015 14: 23
        +7
        Quote: I readNews
        Probably that in response to the request of Greece to supply the S-300 complexes, Russia refused.

        Actually, the S-300 is already in Greece.
      5. Good me
        Good me 25 November 2015 14: 26
        +8
        Quote: I readNews
        Probably that in response to the request of Greece to supply the S-300 complexes, Russia refused.


        I read the news(book), but I see ...

        S-300, with the index "E", a long time ago on combat duty in the air defense of Greece. And more than once they became the subject of study of "sworn partners".
        The Israelis, for example, boasted that they had studied the characteristics of the S-300, "up and down", having developed, according to their assurances, an "antidote" ...
      6. Belousov
        Belousov 25 November 2015 14: 37
        +1
        There was no request. The staff will not allow their servants to fight among themselves.
      7. Belousov
        Belousov 25 November 2015 14: 37
        +2
        There was no request. The staff will not allow their servants to fight among themselves.
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 25 November 2015 17: 07
          +1
          Quote: Belousov
          There was no request. The staff will not allow their servants to fight among themselves.

          Ahem ... once the Greeks fought with the Turks. The first NATO war. smile

          The Turkish Air Force was still noted as epic friendly fire: an attack group of 44 aircraft attacked 3 of their own EMs, sinking one of them and seriously damaging the 2 remaining ones. Thanks to the Greek intelligence, who threw the disinformation about the approach of the Greek ships, as well as the United States, arming both sides with the same equipment. smile
      8. kepmor
        kepmor 25 November 2015 14: 42
        +8
        By the way, "the request not to build up Greece's air defense with new complexes" was all from the same Erdogan, when the graters were going along the "Turkish stream" ...
        When will it reach us that no one should ever be trusted in this "rotten world of cash" !?
        Always we climb to all "with friendship and partnership", and "all and sundry" we are thrown like the last suckers! Then we whine that we were "stabbed in the back" ... And where did the presidential administration, our "eyes and ears" - SVR, Foreign Ministry, FSB, GRU MO and a bunch of analysts from institutes and research centers look ... "hell knows what "?
        They scratch their tongue on TV (Solovyov’s), and they do well, and then WHAT?
        "Very rich", however, is the country Russia, if with such "generosity" we lose "lards and lards" (Ukraine, the southern and Turkish streams, "food" for friend Gryrorych, etc.). "it would be necessary to learn, that's who will get an extra penny out of his pocket!"
        I hope that "BLACK TUESDAY" will really turn the brains of our "helmsman"! I really hope ...
      9. mvg
        mvg 25 November 2015 14: 43
        0
        Nothing in the arsenal of Greece is the S-300? The only NATO country where the S-300 is. (Jews fly there to train, then use skills to fly over Syria)
        with the index "E"

        Iskander on guard air defense? That's even how?
      10. inpu
        inpu 25 November 2015 16: 07
        0
        Quote: I readNews
        Probably that in response to the request of Greece to supply the S-300 complexes, Russia refused.

        They have the same.
      11. sinoptic
        sinoptic 25 November 2015 18: 09
        0
        What nonsense! Greece has our S-300s.
        At one time, this complex was delivered to Cyprus by agreement,
        but because of Turkish protests, in order not to aggravate the situation, he was transferred to Greece.

        Unfortunately, this complex is also used in NATO air defense breakthrough exercises.
        Take an interest.
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    3. vorobey
      vorobey 25 November 2015 14: 12
      13
      Quote: Vladimirets
      Brave Greeks, what's the matter? request


      why are you Zheka ... The Greeks Zeman are the only ones who so boldly voiced the opposite opinion to Brussels ...
      1. Good me
        Good me 25 November 2015 14: 34
        +8
        Quote: vorobey
        The Greeks Zeman are the only ones who so boldly voiced the opposite opinion to Brussels ...


        The Greeks, and so, "jumped over their heads." yes Taking off my hat hi
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    5. 79807420129
      79807420129 25 November 2015 14: 13
      13
      The Turks with the Greeks have long-standing graters from over Cyprus how many times the Turks violated the airspace of Greece and at least one plane was shot down, well, the Greeks and .... well, thanks for the support.
    6. Vend
      Vend 25 November 2015 14: 13
      17
      Quote: Vladimirets
      Brave Greeks, what's the matter? request

      The point is the Russian military base, which in Greece is not. Not everything is in Greece laughing
    7. Good me
      Good me 25 November 2015 14: 13
      +9
      Greece: If Greek air defense shot down Turkish aircraft for all violations of Greek airspace, then the Turkish Air Force would no longer have airplanes


      Uhhh ... Nezhdanchik fellow Shkandal in the "noble NATO family" ...

      Well, very predictable, but still unexpected, moral support came from Greece, albeit indirect ...

      Although for this, the Greeks, THANK ! Considering your situation, we do not expect more.
    8. Max_Bauder
      Max_Bauder 25 November 2015 14: 22
      +7
      Greece: If Greek air defense shot down Turkish aircraft for all violations of Greek airspace, then the Turkish Air Force would no longer have airplanes


      Great trolling! good
    9. Baikonur
      Baikonur 25 November 2015 14: 33
      +6
      Quote: Vladimirets
      Brave Greeks, what's the matter? request

      Probably they are starting to touch point 4 from what PQ-18 spoke about yesterday:
      Quote: PQ-18
      I would add: - expand the Bosphorus
      so that it becomes the Bosphorus ... !!!

      Why in vain stir up the Mediterranean water?
      can help:
      1. Cypriots return North
      2. Syria to return the northern territories occupied by the Turks
      3. Kurds give autonomy ...
      4. Greeks - several islands
      5. to the Armenians -ARARAT! (someone ALREADY suggested before me)
      Damn, that would have started the whole program!
      1. _Alexei_
        _Alexei_ 26 November 2015 01: 01
        0
        expand the Bosphorus Strait is to ukra
    10. Sotnik77s
      Sotnik77s 25 November 2015 14: 33
      +2
      and the thing is that it is BRAVE, there already, in Greece, NO, some extras who are ready to only fix. how many more times over the next few years, the Turks will violate their airspace laughing
    11. Reserve officer
      Reserve officer 25 November 2015 14: 43
      +3
      "As the Greek journalists aptly put it, the Turkish Air Force would have zero aircraft within a year if the Greek air defenses shot down military aircraft whenever they violate Greek airspace."

      Well, maybe from words and assumptions to the point? Well, at least one. Paired with Cyprus. Smuggled complexes. And then, if you wish, write off everything to Ukraine.
    12. Lepila
      Lepila 25 November 2015 14: 57
      +3
      In place of Russia, I would put the Kurds a modern air defense system (you can start with "Verba")
      This would be true both for the Turks and the Kurds ...
    13. atalef
      atalef 25 November 2015 16: 26
      +2
      Quote: Vladimirets
      Brave Greeks, what's the matter? request

      For courage, they do not have enough eggs.
      The Greeks are bad.
      Sellers of the sun and consumers of Ouzo (and free money) - what are they all capable of.
    14. atalef
      atalef 25 November 2015 16: 26
      0
      Quote: Vladimirets
      Brave Greeks, what's the matter? request

      For courage, they do not have enough eggs.
      The Greeks are bad.
      Sellers of the sun and consumers of Ouzo (and free money) - what are they all capable of.
      1. Andrey VOV
        Andrey VOV 25 November 2015 17: 39
        0
        Ouzo excellent rubbish ... brrrr .....)))))
  2. AlexTires
    AlexTires 25 November 2015 14: 10
    +4
    If the Greeks shot down Turkish planes, Greece would have little left, and the survivors would have moved straight to Guantanomo ...
  3. Velizariy
    Velizariy 25 November 2015 14: 11
    18
    These are already far from the Hellenes who took Troy or smashed the Persians ...
    1. EvgNik
      EvgNik 25 November 2015 14: 46
      +6
      Quote: Velizariy
      These are already far from those Hellenes who took Troy or smashed the Persians ..

      The Ukrainians took Troy (the history of Ukraine must be read!), Though Ukrainians also lived there, well, yes they had their own graters - they didn’t divide Olya.
      Thanks to the Greeks for their support. Everyone else is silent.
      1. GAF
        GAF 25 November 2015 15: 03
        +2
        Quote: EvgNik
        Thanks to the Greeks for their support. Everyone else is silent.

        It would be good for the Greeks to really support and improve their finances by selling or renting out long-term leases under the jurisdiction of Russia, the island of Lemnos, which is interesting in all respects. For 17 thousand inhabitants, permanent work is to maintain the base and nutmeg for our soldiers, and for the lesson there is a no-fly zone without options.
      2. Tu-214R
        Tu-214R 25 November 2015 16: 24
        +1
        Everyone else is silent.

        Czech President condemned the actions of Turkey.
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  4. SAM 5
    SAM 5 25 November 2015 14: 11
    +4
    The Greek edition of Protothema is actively discussing the question of why did the Turks suddenly become so fundamental in matters of aviation flights in border areas

    Only who in the West will listen to them.
    1. Bashibuzuk
      Bashibuzuk 25 November 2015 14: 16
      +5
      Here is what I read with pleasure.
      Oh, so that the truth is, from beginning to end.
      http://warfiles.ru/show-101068-vks-rf-zachistili-rayon-gde-byl-sbit-su-24-turkom
      any-poplatilis-za-rasstrel-nashego-letchiki.html
      .
      Press and burn, bastards.
  5. Trailer
    Trailer 25 November 2015 14: 11
    +2
    The Greeks should not flatter themselves. To be brave when he admitted the formation of Northern Cyprus at hand, and you have been carrying him for a number of years with a quiet glanders
  6. rusaiaiBishkek
    rusaiaiBishkek 25 November 2015 14: 11
    +5
    so it was necessary to bring down what then suffered more than 1000 times.
  7. Krio
    Krio 25 November 2015 14: 12
    +5
    They can’t liberate Cyprus, and then they plundered.
    1. volot-voin
      volot-voin 25 November 2015 14: 17
      +2
      Quote: Krio
      They can’t liberate Cyprus, and then they plundered.

      As an option, it is necessary to open the WB of the Russian Federation in Cyprus.
  8. Wiruz
    Wiruz 25 November 2015 14: 12
    +1
    It would be time not only to deliver the S-400 to the Khmeimim base, but also to transfer the S-300 to the Syrians. And then the Turks and Jews took the fashion to fly wherever they please, and bomb everything that "poses a threat to them." bully
  9. IAlex
    IAlex 25 November 2015 14: 13
    +6
    All this is a chatter and a trend for wimps, and the real result is not in favor of the Russian Federation: the Russian Air Force -1 plane and -1 pilot ...
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 25 November 2015 14: 21
      +4
      And also minus 1 helicopter and 1 infantryman - here it is a high-quality preparation of the rescue group without cover, stumbled over to where the swarm of militants.
      1. barclay
        barclay 25 November 2015 14: 28
        +5
        Yeah. Our commanders pierced. Relaxed. On some kind of memorandum from syshya hoped. And at the same time tryndels all the time that our bombers are hiding behind fighters. However, in reality ... Someone must answer for these losses in our military leadership.
    2. Krio
      Krio 25 November 2015 14: 26
      +5
      This is understandable, the incident belli and all that videoconferencing relaxed, the enemy is weak, so they got caught (let them minus but there is a war and all scenarios must be foreseen in it. The USA has been doing this for many years, and the Russian Federation has no experience, the phrase "charter is written in blood" no one canceled), everyone believed the treaties and this is the result, but what do you propose? less answer is to say that they have changed their point of view regarding the creation of Kurdistan, which the United States promised the Kurds a quarter of Turkey is included in. Well, or one of the "Calibers" due to "malfunctions" in the "bad Soviet microcircuit" will end up in the barracks of the Turkish Air Force (and then this fraught with escalation of the conflict).
      1. IAlex
        IAlex 25 November 2015 14: 34
        -3
        Why, on behalf of the Kurdish party, do not undermine the airport or station in Istanbul with a sea of ​​corpses, in the form of greetings and a gift to Erdogan?

        The expansion of the conflict without an answer from our side is guaranteed, and not in both directions, but only in our ...
        1. Cthulhu
          Cthulhu 25 November 2015 15: 24
          0
          Quote: IAlex
          Why on behalf of the Kurdish party do not undermine the airport or station in Istanbul with a sea of ​​corpses,


          What are you talking about? fool My minus ...
  10. Wolka
    Wolka 25 November 2015 14: 15
    +3
    but the fact of the matter is that the Greeks do not have the appropriate air defense systems, and there’s no reason to swagger ...
    1. Wiruz
      Wiruz 25 November 2015 14: 27
      +4
      They have the S-300 (a little truth), and the Patriots. Testosterone is just not enough winked
  11. Mikhail Krapivin
    Mikhail Krapivin 25 November 2015 14: 15
    +3
    The Greeks do not need to restrain themselves and be embarrassed by the complexes. And our S-400 systems with combat crews will be happy to help them with this.
  12. uhu189
    uhu189 25 November 2015 14: 18
    +2
    The meaning of seeking the truth in the nursery of lies. Everyone understands perfectly well that even if the bomber flew into Turkey, it didn’t make any sense to shoot him down from a military point of view ... This is pure provocation, and it is likely that the Turks themselves were not the authors of the idea. On the other hand, they should understand that such consequences are inevitable, and the United States essentially simply merges them ...
  13. Stiletto
    Stiletto 25 November 2015 14: 19
    +3
    By the way, the Greeks urgently need to turn to the GDP (by analogy with Syria) with a request to protect their sovereign airspace. Nice would be a Turk hunting!
    1. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 25 November 2015 16: 52
      0
      Lavrov today clearly said that we will not fight with the Turks - leave your fantasies
  14. Alexnder
    Alexnder 25 November 2015 14: 22
    12
    Our plane crashed, our guy died, certainly a tragedy.
    However, the Turks, the D.E.B.I.L.s, themselves set a precedent that 10 warnings and fire for defeat could be laid down in 17 minutes.
    Now official Damascus, asks the Russian Federation to provide assistance through air defense ....
    The missile cruiser "Moskva" is already there, the C300 will be deployed (a maximum of a week), that's it, the sky in Syria is tightly closed.
    Destroy any heir, destroy it as a potential threat, place all procedures in 17 seconds.
  15. a housewife
    a housewife 25 November 2015 14: 23
    +4
    What are you talking about? Imagine the situation - the Soviet Union. Polish planes regularly violate our border. Need to shoot down? But what about us in the Warsaw Pact! Allies! Well, Greece and Turkey are actually allies. Otherwise, I think the Greeks would have shot down, and the Turks would not have been so impudent.
  16. anderles66
    anderles66 25 November 2015 14: 24
    +3
    Despite the fact that no one will hear the voice of Greece, they are great. Even for this demarche one must have a certain courage. Well, and, of course, hate Turkey :). At the same time, I note that for all the invisibility, Greece has air defense systems (s-300s 12 launchers, "Patriot - 36 launchers and something else), not counting fighters, the same F-16s). to punish the Turks would have been punished. Or maybe they wanted to, but could not :)
  17. Funnels
    Funnels 25 November 2015 14: 24
    +8
    Immediately I thought about the Greeks, and also about the Scandinavians, whose mattress mats fly like at home (but when ours fly by in hysteria). And Ukraine comes to mind, which happily "claps its hands." When their attack aircraft over our territory were deployed to "work" on the militias, we were silent, but we had to blame. My opinion is that if we let the brakes down now, we will get a "continuation". And what, "sorry", the mistake came out and all the deeds. Impunity gives rise to permissiveness.
    R.S. But the Greeks like C300 have, they would have implanted a complete BC, why should the Turks of the Air Force.
  18. Riv
    Riv 25 November 2015 14: 25
    +3
    If the Greeks were not such pisses ... Alas, apparently the last brave Greek remained in the Thermopyllic passage.
    1. V.ic
      V.ic 25 November 2015 14: 35
      +2
      Quote: Riv
      the last brave Greek remained in Thermopyl aisle.

      Yeah somewhere below the back where the legs grow from.
  19. Yun Klob
    Yun Klob 25 November 2015 14: 26
    +5
    Quote: maximNNX
    Quote: I readNews
    Probably the fact that at the request of Greece to supply the S-300 complexes, Russia refused

    I think they’ve been there since 90’s

    In the 1997 year, Cyprus acquired an early version of the Russian S-300 air defense system (PMU1), after the 1998 year, the SA-15 Tor M1 and SA-17 Beech.
    By agreement with Cyprus, the Israeli Air Force during the exercises worked out options for overcoming air defense and with the specified weapons.
  20. Engineer
    Engineer 25 November 2015 14: 28
    -1
    Yes, no one will not shoot down Turkish aircraft. The eyes are already upset - our military men spat in the face, but corrupt politicians do not give an answer. Someone today heard in the news that ours carried out massive attacks on the positions of the Turkmens who shot the pilot, marine and blown up the helicopter? No. so why talk about the Turks ?! All wiped out, banned the import of chickens and forgotten. It’s not even funny to read it.
    1. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 25 November 2015 16: 54
      -1
      Quote: Engineer
      All wiped out, banned the import of chickens and forgotten. It’s not even funny to read it.
      Yes, some kind of bazaar answer has come out so far. Chicken win
  21. flyer8
    flyer8 25 November 2015 14: 33
    +2
    Offer the Greeks to leave NATO, anyway, they are not considered there for their own. Put S-300.))
  22. tyras85
    tyras85 25 November 2015 14: 35
    +3
    Greece! Don't, "IF"! Violated sovereign airspace (and many times) - KILL!
    What, the gut is weak, protect your people? The owner will punish ...? Live, vassals of America. A people with a centuries-old history ...
  23. Al_oriso
    Al_oriso 25 November 2015 14: 45
    +2
    Everyone is fixated on these words "unfriendly actions".
    This is a real attack, why be modest.
  24. Belousov
    Belousov 25 November 2015 14: 46
    +1
    Well, then what doesn’t they shoot down? Hmm, only scratch your tongue and can ...
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  26. Dan Slav
    Dan Slav 25 November 2015 14: 58
    0
    This is mutual. Orthodoxy and Muslims.
    However, the Turks are sharper. They grabbed Cyprus, fly as they want, ours shot down.
    So think about whether to be friends here.
    Must have their own interests.
    Put the Greeks C300, c400 and c500 in addition! )))
    1. V.ic
      V.ic 25 November 2015 18: 51
      0
      Quote: Dan Slav
      Put the Greeks C300, c400 and c500 in addition!

      ... for further study by specialists from Srail, Small Britain, USA and the same travel agencies.
  27. Masya masya
    Masya masya 25 November 2015 15: 06
    +3
    Scandal in a noble family?
  28. Umnichka
    Umnichka 25 November 2015 15: 20
    0
    This, of course, is kind of not bad, but ... What except blah blah blah ...?
  29. Londa
    Londa 25 November 2015 15: 27
    0
    We all have the same reaction, why didn’t they bring down?
  30. Appraiser
    Appraiser 25 November 2015 15: 28
    0
    It is necessary to help the Greeks, but the fact that the faithful Muslims have spoiled ... soldier
  31. Valkh
    Valkh 25 November 2015 15: 30
    +1
    Quote: Major Yurik
    Whether she is a member or not, I think Greece will figure it out herself, but the fact that the occupation of Cyprus by the Turkonoids is not recognized by either NATO or the UN is a fact! So the S-300 unloading at the port of the Cypriots is quite legitimate with the consent of Cyprus! negative

    As far as I understand, the Turks occupied Greece and this part is now called Turkey?!?
  32. Don
    Don 25 November 2015 16: 21
    0
    Quote: I readNews
    Probably that in response to the request of Greece to supply the S-300 complexes, Russia refused.

    You are wrong. Greece has long bought from us C-300, which were originally intended for delivery to Cyprus, but in connection with the decisive protests, these systems were given to Greece just by Turkey.
  33. YaMZ-238
    YaMZ-238 25 November 2015 16: 33
    0
    Beautifully said ... well, behind Russia, why not yapping ...
  34. terran125
    terran125 25 November 2015 17: 30
    +1
    compatriots look at it more and more widely in my opinion mattresses give us the sky over Syria but they just can’t leave and here it’s organized that Russia closes the sky over Syria and the mattresses seem to give us all the cards because there is a reason

    Well, this is my opinion drinks
  35. Straight
    Straight 25 November 2015 18: 06
    0
    Yes .. a slave we probably have to squeeze out for a long time ...
  36. BNM
    BNM 25 November 2015 19: 02
    0
    the fool understands that this is not an accident, but usually a well-prepared provocation by the Turks.