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Another round of anti-Russian hysteria

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Erdogan said that elements of the fuselage of the downed Russian Su-24 bomber fell on Turkish territory. There were also voices from across the ocean: potential US presidential candidates, as if on cue, rushed to denigrate Russia, Putin and extol Erdogan. Lindsay Graham called the destruction of the Su-24 "a good thing" and noted that Turkey "clicked Russia on the nose," and Marco Rubio once again called Putin V. a "gangster" and offered the White House to take a "hawk" response to any Russian aggression "against Turkey.


Some elements of the fuselage of the Russian Su-24M shot down by Turkey fell on Turkish territory, Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan said in Istanbul, reports TASS.

Here is Erdogan’s short story about the November 24 2015 incident: “Yesterday, two unidentified aircraft violated our airspace. Within five minutes they received ten warnings. After that, one of them returned to Syria, and the other continued to break. After that, our F-16 opened fire and shot him down. Later it turned out that the plane belonged to the Russian Federation. Some parts of it fell on Turkish territory and wounded two citizens. ”

Earlier, a statement at the NATO level followed. From the secretary general himself. We bring it on the original source - English language website North Atlantic Alliance.

After Ankara "informed the Allies" about the downed Russian military plane that violated Turkish airspace, the Secretary General expressed his concerns about the consequences of the military actions of Russia "within the borders of NATO."

According to Jens Stoltenberg, who spoke on the results of the emergency meeting of the Council of the North Atlantic Alliance in Brussels, it is necessary to take measures and avoid similar incidents in the future.

After this standard clerical phrase, Jens Stoltenberg suddenly declared: "As we have repeatedly made it clear, we are in solidarity with Turkey and support the territorial integrity of Turkey as our NATO ally."

The Secretary General noted that the alliance will continue to “very carefully” follow the developments on NATO’s southeastern borders.

Further, Stoltenberg said that he was waiting for “further contacts” between Ankara and Moscow and called for “calm and de-escalation”, as well as “diplomacy”.

After that, the journalists asked him questions.

A CNN reporter cited "Russian claims" that the Su-24 was shot down over Syria and "never entered Turkish territory." The journalist asked the NATO Secretary General: “Are you sure that he was indeed shot down in Turkish airspace, and that Turkish airspace was indeed violated?”

The Secretary General replied that this was the "Allied Assessment." He said that the alliance “during the day” received “from several allies” information that is fully consistent with the information provided earlier by Turkey. “Thus,” he concluded, “information from other allies is consistent with what we received from Turkey.”

A reporter for the Wall Street Journal asked the general secretary about the possibility of creating an allied coalition in Syria along with Russia. "Or is the tactic too different?" But maybe the goals are too different? ”He asked, not without irony.

The NATO Secretary General has firmly declared that “the“ IG ”should be the common enemy. Personally, Stoltenberg would “welcome” all efforts to combat IS. And then he said that most of the Russian strikes in Syria were directed to areas where there was no IG.

A spokesman for Reuters asked about the contacts of NATO with the Russians or the planning of such contacts in connection with the Turkish incident.

Stoltenberg said that there were already direct contacts between Ankara and Moscow, but there was no contact between NATO and Russia. The Alliance is in contact with Ankara, which directly discussed the issue with the Russian authorities.

The Turkish incident added fuel to the fire of anti-Russian hysteria in the United States.


Jolly Marco Rubio answers questions. Fox News Screenshot


On air Fox News potential US presidential candidates (Republicans) commented on the possible military escalation between Russia and Turkey. The comments were related to the Russian bomber Su-24 shot down by a Turkish missile.

Florida Republican Senator Marco Rubio, known for his habit of political rudeness, again called Vladimir Putin a “gangster” and advised the White House to give the Russians a “hawkish” answer. The United States should give such a response to Moscow in any manifestation of “aggression” against Turkey.

The very possibility of such an American response could force Moscow to correlate probable "costs and benefits." After all, Putin is “a player in the field of geopolitics,” who makes decisions by comparing the minuses and advantages, according to Rubio.

Therefore, the Kremlin must learn that Washington is ready to fight for the defense of Turkey, a NATO partner.

Realizing that America and NATO are ready for anything, Putin will not risk "checking the alliance for strength." He understands: in such a confrontation, he “loses”, summed up Rubio.

Senator Lindsay Graham, who also spoke on the TV channel, called the destruction of the Su-24 "a good thing," and noted that Turkey deftly "clicked Russia on the nose."

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Politicians like Rubio and Graham only have to announce donations from the personal funds of millions of dollars to the needs of the Islamic State. And to President Obama and Secretary of State Kerry to declare Islamist terrorists builders of democracy in Syria and Iraq and send them tons of five hundred weapons and cartridges. Senator John McCain, this "friend of the Russian people" and a lover of being photographed with bearded men on the Turkish-Syrian border, would be incredibly happy.

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  1. Dmitry_24rus
    Dmitry_24rus 26 November 2015 05: 58 New
    32
    Information war in action, ce la vie.
    1. Passer
      Passer 26 November 2015 06: 03 New
      55
      Yeah, one with passports and a bus sheathing around Europe rode, will this one with the wreckage of an airplane ride?
    2. 79807420129
      79807420129 26 November 2015 06: 07 New
      61
      Erdogan, in general, a coward and cattle, did della and hid under the skirt of NATO’s mother and now he’s yelling from there. In the courtyard of my childhood, if such a kid did that, he would not even have been beaten, he was just an outcast, and the mattress was in his eternal repertoire.
      1. theadenter
        theadenter 26 November 2015 06: 23 New
        +5
        They are waiting for our aggression in order to present Russia as a threat to the whole world and thereby upset Putin’s plans to find new partners, allies and ideologically friendly countries.
        Of course, each of us boiled blood from the news about the downing of the plane, and then also the helicopter. This is a serious blow to our patience and complacency.
        But if we peck at this provocation - to be in trouble. The end of many years of efforts to make our country a peaceful and attractive state, and Putin as a person of politics (not war), will come.
        1. mad
          mad 26 November 2015 08: 04 New
          18
          Quote: theadenter
          They are waiting for our aggression in order to present Russia as a threat to the whole world and thereby upset Putin’s plans to find new partners, allies and ideologically friendly countries.
          ....
          The end of many years of efforts to make our country a peaceful and attractive state, and Putin as a person of politics (not war), will come.


          Это либеральная мантра, сколько ее не повторяй - друзей и союзников не добавиться. Давно известно, что у нас только два союзника, остальные "партнеры". А они быстро оценят возможность улыбаясь в глаза бить в спину и вытирать о Россию ноги!
          1. theadenter
            theadenter 26 November 2015 08: 20 New
            -3
            Не все достигается боевыми действиями. Нужно быть еще и "положительной стороной", которую поддержат в мире. Рано или поздно поддержка бы появилась (она и появлялась в последнее время, что и не понравилось западу). Если мы сейчас сорвемся - мир будет нас считать "отрицательной стороной".

            I do not belong to those liberals who seek to destroy our country. I simply share with them (normal liberals) some views of the world.
            1. Mahmut
              Mahmut 26 November 2015 08: 53 New
              17
              Erdogan said fuselage elements of a downed Russian Su-24 bomber fell on Turkish territory

              And the entire fuselage was weakly dragged across the border.
              1. _Vladislav_
                _Vladislav_ 26 November 2015 11: 26 New
                +4
                Realizing that America and NATO are ready for anything, Putin will not risk "checking the alliance for strength." He understands: in such a confrontation, he “loses”, summed up Rubio.

                I think the Alliance itself decided to test its strength. I checked and concluded - that he (the alliance), although strong and not really.

                Realizing that America and NATO are ready for anything, Putin will not risk

                America itself is far from ready for everything and not always. NATO especially, especially European NATO. They didn’t live normally, they collected Mercedes Volkswagen, played football, ate pasta, listened to music ..... and here you have to die for Turkey.

                Better Turkey die for herself, what, Merkel thought.
                She (Merkel) has yet to chase the comers with expressive rags throughout the EU.
                1. Canep
                  Canep 26 November 2015 15: 55 New
                  +7
                  About the fuselage, it was intended for the internal public. But I'll start from the beginning.
                  I thought a couple of days here and I had this version of events:
                  ====================================

                  США и Турция решили выдавить Россию с территории Сирии. Как это сделать? нужно что бы Русский самолет был сбит на территории Турции, взорвать деревню, и сообщить: - "Россия агрессор. СУ-24 ВКС нанес бомбовый удар по территории Турции, в результате чего пострадали мирные жители, вот руины, вот потерпевшие, вот самолет на территории Турции". Где это сделать? там где заходящие на посадку русские пилоты всегда срезают угол. Нашли опытного пилота, Героя с большим опытом, который точно выполнит поставленную задачу. И перспективы были у него самые радужные, ордена, слава, интервью, и т.д.
                  But the misfortune, the pilot probably wasn’t the local one, decided to carefully prepare, but the maps were given to him that were intended by the politicians for raising morale, or something else, but the border on the maps was not internationally recognized, but propaganda, that is, since I would like to Anker. The fact is that Turkey has a territorial dispute with Syria over these territories.
                  The CIA instructed the local Basmachis to kill the pilots so that they were silent, because Russia was to assign to them all responsibility for their departure from Syria, and the recorders destroyed it.
                  Then they began to wait for the victim, and they waited, one plane flew into Turkey, they immediately urinate him without any warning, the pilot reports to the top, they say the plane crashed in Turkey, the village is undermining. The prime minister makes a corresponding statement, and convenes an emergency meeting of NATO on the fact of Russian aggression against Turkey, as planned, Russia should be declared an aggressor, close the Bosphorus and Gibraltar to the aggressor, force Iraq to close airspace, that is, declare a blockade of the Russian air forces in Turkey.
                  While the top of NATO was gathering, it turned out that something had gone wrong, the plane crashed not in the gorge where the Basmachi and the press accidentally appeared there, but in the neighboring gorge in Syria. And this was not in the script. Hence the complete confusion, the speakers, and the idiotic and contradictory statements of the State Department, whether Turkey has the right to self-defense, and at the same time, the plane was shot down over Syrian territory. Turkish Prime Minister talks ahead about aggression, and the next day about condolences. Porridge is complete, and then it dawned on the Allies that they forgot to inform about this provocation. And what if something goes wrong then Europe’s countries will fall first of all under the blow of Russian vigorous missiles.
              2. nemets
                nemets 26 November 2015 16: 42 New
                -1
                there were not enough Turkmen
            2. mikh-korsakov
              mikh-korsakov 26 November 2015 08: 57 New
              +6
              Цитирую: Нужно быть еще и "положительной стороной", которую поддержат в мире. Рано или поздно поддержка бы появилась (она и появлялась в последнее время, что и не понравилось западу). Пожалуйста, примеры появления поддержки. Заявления отставных политиков не в счет, равно, как и от перепуганного Оланда. ему быстро вправили мозги. Искать союзников не надо - опыт показывает - предадут. Опять эти слова "рано или поздно", эти слова ничего не значат - рано или поздно - значит никогда. помните "рано или поздно" украинский народ прозреет. НИКОГДА.
              1. theadenter
                theadenter 26 November 2015 09: 03 New
                +1
                Please, examples of the emergence of support. Statements of retired politicians do not count

                The words of support for ordinary citizens are much more significant. Than statements of political ... ducks, represented by governments (operating).
                1. jjj
                  jjj 26 November 2015 09: 49 New
                  +5
                  Quote: Mahmut
                  And the entire fuselage was weakly dragged across the border.

                  So they are afraid to drive by car - the Russians will bomb, and carry Sisyphus on their hands in the mountains
                2. anip
                  anip 26 November 2015 09: 58 New
                  +1
                  Quote: theadenter
                  The words of support for ordinary citizens are much more significant. Than statements of political ... ducks, represented by governments (operating).

                  Come on. ordinary citizens support, and if they get to what, and their authorities poke on, so all the support wherever it goes.
                3. alexej123
                  alexej123 27 November 2015 14: 32 New
                  0
                  Мнение обычных граждан формируется в основном СМИ. Даже в эпоху открытости и интернета о "свободе слова" в западных СМИ сказать нельзя. Поэтому и "мнение обычных граждан" "не всё так однозначно".
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              2. anip
                anip 26 November 2015 09: 56 New
                +2
                Quote: mikh-korsakov
                Опять эти слова "рано или поздно", эти слова ничего не значат - рано или поздно - значит никогда. помните "рано или поздно" украинский народ прозреет. НИКОГДА.

                Absolutely. Never.
            3. excomandante
              excomandante 26 November 2015 10: 08 New
              +4
              Слабых, трусливых и безответных не считают "положительной стороной", на них плюют и с ними не церемонятся. Если мы "грозно" поверещим, а в итоге утремся - наши самолеты будут сбивать даже паршивые хохляди и шпротасы.
            4. 15ghost10
              15ghost10 26 November 2015 11: 04 New
              +7
              I have a question like this. These are the American .... ki pour mud on the president of Russia, then pour mud on the whole country. And why are our TV channels, including RT, which operates in Europe and the USA, cannot show at least the truth about the events of September 11.09.01, XNUMX?
              I think that our services have a lot of interesting things about these events. That is why we lose because we do not know how to wage an information war. It is time not to make excuses to these cattle, but to conduct an offensive, albeit in the information field.
              1. _Voislav_
                _Voislav_ 26 November 2015 11: 27 New
                +2
                Uncle Vova has other inform methods. war, it’s like at the G20 summit showed how ISIS carries oil barrels from Syria and who protects this business, and after that pay attention to how our barrels began to be hrenched to the right and to the left, does someone scream from Western partners about this? A chess player, he is still that GDP !!
                1. Shark Lover
                  Shark Lover 26 November 2015 12: 49 New
                  +5
                  But it seems to me that they are already responding, smearing. It seems that our President has smoothly transferred everything to a different channel. They no longer attack the mass media, but they have to answer, because no one says what the GDP says on political platforms. Then there is hysteria in the media. Like, he kicked a mongrel, kissed and put on the same plate in the form of a bark. (Forgive me dogs for such a comparison)
                  1. nemets
                    nemets 26 November 2015 16: 50 New
                    +1
                    no need to insult the striped dogs do not deserve such respect - soon offensive insult will be if they call him an American))
            5. Down House
              Down House 26 November 2015 19: 38 New
              0
              Quote: theadenter
              мир будет нас считать "отрицательной стороной".

              Какой еще блин "мир" ?! Еуропа?!
              This is not the whole world - the rest of the world can not stand Europe!
            6. navigator
              navigator 26 November 2015 23: 19 New
              0
              Quote: theadenter
              Не все достигается боевыми действиями. Нужно быть еще и "положительной стороной", которую поддержат в мире. Рано или поздно поддержка бы появилась (она и появлялась в последнее время, что и не понравилось западу). Если мы сейчас сорвемся - мир будет нас считать "отрицательной стороной".Не отношусь к тем либералам, которые стремятся уничтожить нашу страну. Просто разделяю с ними (нормальными либералами) некоторые взгляды на мир.


              Никогда мы не будем для них "положительной стороной",которую поддержат в мире рано или поздно".Учите историю.А к либералам относитесь,коль "разделяете некоторые взгляды на мир"
              1. theadenter
                theadenter 26 November 2015 23: 56 New
                0
                А к либералам относитесь,коль "разделяете некоторые взгляды на мир"

                I share some views and other isms and political views.

                History tends to change. If the US empire gives a crack, the fragments will need to go somewhere. Search for military assistance and economic ties from someone. And this choice may not fall on Russia because it showed itself, in their eyes, as an aggressor.
                1. navigator
                  navigator 27 November 2015 00: 17 New
                  0
                  Quote: theadenter
                  History tends to change. If the US empire gives a crack, the fragments will need to go somewhere. Search for military assistance and economic ties from someone. And this choice may not fall on Russia because it showed itself, in their eyes, as an aggressor.


                  А России нужны эти осколки пин.достана?Печалька,"выбор может не пасть".
          2. Ribwort
            Ribwort 26 November 2015 13: 30 New
            +1
            Quote: mad
            This is a liberal mantra, no matter how many times you repeat it, friends and allies will not be added.

            I agree.
            Цитата: "Поэтому Кремль должен усвоить, что Вашингтон готов воевать ради защиты Турции — партнёра по НАТО."
            И подобное заявление стало возможным лишь потому, что вместо жесткого ответа, наши политики сидели "сиськи мяли". А ответили бы, глядишь и заявлять подобное поостереглись бы...
            1. Down House
              Down House 26 November 2015 19: 42 New
              +1
              Quote: Ribwort
              And such a statement was made possible only because

              Оно стало возможным лишь потому, что официальный вашингтон не несет ответственности за высказывания всяких там "сенаторов" и "кандидатов" - это лающие шавки и не более того.
          3. Down House
            Down House 26 November 2015 19: 37 New
            0
            Quote: mad
            This is a liberal mantra, no matter how many times you repeat it, friends and allies will not be added.

            Полностью с вами согласен, западное "сообщество" всегда плевало но мнение "партнеров" - оно же само и придумало это "мнение" чтобы им дурить "доверчивых партнеров" !
          4. kocclissi
            kocclissi 28 November 2015 00: 57 New
            0
            Smile, Chef loves idiots!
        2. ddd1975
          ddd1975 26 November 2015 08: 57 New
          13
          Вы глубоко заблуждаетесь, они не ждут агрессии от нас. Им всегда было на нас насрать. Они четко делают своё грязное дело - они создают прецедент, а "карманные" средства информации доносят в нужном контексте. И делают они это на отлично. У меня много знакомых за границей, они не тупы и поверьте патриоты, но после шквала новостей с сотни каналов телевидения и радио мировозрение начинает видоизменяться даже у самых ярых патриотов. И тут самое интересное, далее нам в факт вины ставят наше соплежуйство, цитирую - "есле бы вы были не причем и вас бы так жестко нагнули, вы бы 100% ответели не менее жестко и вас бы в этом никто не обвинил, а раз вы плачетесь, оправдываетесь и жуете сопли это и доказывает - что вы во всем сами виноваты". Поэтому, как бы мы не отреагировали - мы остаемся крайними, а если мы не отвечаем жестко, в этом видят нашу слабость и каждая шавка пытается облаять погромче. В этом мире уважают только силу, нас с вами уважают за то что надрали зад - Наполеоновцам и Фашистам - уважают и боятся. Взялся за гуж, делай что-нибудь...
          1. Altona
            Altona 26 November 2015 09: 45 New
            +3
            Quote: ddd1975
            Вы глубоко заблуждаетесь, они не ждут агрессии от нас. Им всегда было на нас насрать. Они четко делают своё грязное дело - они создают прецедент, а "карманные" средства информации доносят в нужном контексте.

            ----------------------------
            Ну да, привести на место предполагаемой атаки профессиональных операторов с мощной аппаратурой и зафиксировать сбитие. Я смартфоном не смог сфотографировать вертолет в пределах прямой видимости, летящий относительно низко(получился полет какой то мухи-дрозофилы), а туто сфотографирован наверняка с использованием "пушечного" телескопа с большим фокусным расстоянием весь момент атаки и падения, и хорошо просматривается фюзеляж...Явно видна отличная медийная подготовка...
            1. TVM - 75
              TVM - 75 26 November 2015 10: 30 New
              0
              It is clear that the decision to bring down the plane was made in advance and were being prepared for the implementation of this plan. The reason for this act is simple - Russia began to interfere with the joint business of the IG and Turkey. It can be clearly seen that they got tired that they did so, and then they even fled to NATO with a fright.
          2. anip
            anip 26 November 2015 09: 59 New
            +2
            Quote: ddd1975
            you and I are respected for having kicked the ass - Napoleon and Fascists

            Would respect, would not bring down.
            1. ANTI.KORR.
              ANTI.KORR. 26 November 2015 10: 03 New
              +2
              Quote: anip
              Would respect, would not bring down.

              I absolutely agree.
              I will add that in the days of the USSR such an incident was simply not possible!
              1. nemets
                nemets 26 November 2015 16: 53 New
                0
                What are you, and the South Korean board ?!
          3. Xzistant
            Xzistant 26 November 2015 15: 43 New
            +3
            Dear,

            unfortunately I can’t share your point of view that we must respond by force. Yes, I agree that mongrels bark at us and try to pour mud, but DOGS Bark, AND THE CARAVAN IS GOING !!!
            How can you not understand that if Russia responds by force, this will be the beginning of the 3rd and LAST World War!
            Не только С.Ш.А.шникам нужна война (дабы гос. долг обнулить), но и России не помешала бы встряска, но только наш Темнейший действительно просчитывает варианты развития событий и отдаёт себе отчёт, что биться придётся до последней капли крови и не будет ни победителей, ни проигравших. Помните сценку в камеди клабе - "Покроши ВСЕХ В СУП!!!"
            In any section of hand-to-hand combat, the first lesson begins with the words - the ability to fight is an art, and the ability to avoid a fight is the highest art!
            Поэтому давайте не будем возвращаться в прошлое и орать - "Путин всех слил", НЕТ он просто делает то что должен!
            1. Down House
              Down House 26 November 2015 19: 45 New
              0
              Quote: Xzistant
              How can you not understand that if Russia responds by force, this will be the beginning of the 3rd and LAST World War!

              Да ну бросьте, никто на западе не захочет умирать ради турок - их сольют как всегда сливают "шестерок" в таких случаях.
              The only question is whether we should spend money on the destruction of Turkey - I think that measures of economic influence will be more than enough.
        3. 7erka
          7erka 26 November 2015 09: 25 New
          +2
          The blood was boiling straight, and I read the comment, the brains turned on and immediately eased. The real test for lice. We grieve but tolerate. Lost the battle but won the war.
        4. 222222
          222222 26 November 2015 09: 33 New
          +2
          theadenter RU Сегодня.." расстроить все планы Путина по поиску новых партнеров, союзников и идеологически-дружеских стран..."
          ... off-topic ... but not ... less important event that passed undeservedly quietly

          The Presidential Center of Boris Yeltsin was opened in Yekaterinburg on November 25. The President of the Russian Federation, Vladimir Putin and the Prime Ministers of the Russian Federation, DA Medvedev, and the wife of the first President of the Russian Federation, BN Yeltsin, spoke at the opening
          .... speeches on the site ...
          http://kremlin.ru/events/president/news/50784
          1. anip
            anip 26 November 2015 10: 00 New
            +4
            Quote: 222222
            The Presidential Center of Boris Yeltsin was opened in Yekaterinburg on November 25. The President of the Russian Federation, Vladimir Putin and the Prime Ministers of the Russian Federation, DA Medvedev, and the wife of the first President of the Russian Federation, BN Yeltsin, spoke at the opening

            Useless. Before hoo-Putriots and after that nothing comes.
          2. Ribwort
            Ribwort 26 November 2015 13: 32 New
            +6
            Quote: 222222
            The Presidential Center of Boris Yeltsin was opened in Yekaterinburg on November 25

            Boris Yeltsin Center, a library of his own name, Chubais, Gaidar, Nemtsov ... How much can the people of Russia be humiliated by praising these ...?
            Блин, не пропускает цензура. Все равно "из песни слов не выкинешь" и каких эпитетов эти "герои" заслуживают все равно народ знает.
        5. anip
          anip 26 November 2015 09: 54 New
          +5
          Quote: theadenter
          They are waiting for our aggression in order to present Russia as a threat to the whole world and thereby upset Putin’s plans to find new partners, allies and ideologically friendly countries.

          Да сколько можно нести бред по поводу каких-то "партнёров"? Нет их. НЕТ. Когда же ура-пУтриоты это поймут? Похоже, только тогда, когда сам гарант это поймёт, ведь ура-пУтриотам не впервой метаться вслед за переменчивостью их кумира.
          When, finally, it comes to Putin that the only ally of Russia is the people that he mercilessly plunders.
          1. Down House
            Down House 26 November 2015 19: 47 New
            +2
            Quote: anip
            it will come to Putin that the only ally of Russia is the people that he mercilessly plunders.

            Who strips where and where, what are you talking about ?!
            At least you should familiarize yourself with the basic economic indicators of our country before saying this!
        6. Rezistant
          Rezistant 26 November 2015 10: 13 New
          +1
          So they already represent us as a threat and aggressor. The main thing is that there are still no examples of Russian aggression. It doesn’t matter, we are the aggressor, and that’s it.
        7. Konstantin Yu
          Konstantin Yu 26 November 2015 10: 55 New
          0
          Here, here ... and because of our love for the world, we need to continue to wet the ISIS dogs ..
        8. PSih2097
          PSih2097 26 November 2015 11: 13 New
          +1
          Quote: theadenter
          They are waiting for our aggression in order to present Russia as a threat to the whole world and thereby upset Putin’s plans to find new partners, allies and ideologically friendly countries.

          in Ukraine failed, they are trying to do here.
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        10. Ivan the Terrible
          Ivan the Terrible 26 November 2015 11: 36 New
          0
          Enough already, to be good guys!
        11. Ivan the Terrible
          Ivan the Terrible 26 November 2015 11: 36 New
          0
          Enough already, to be good guys!
        12. 3axap82
          3axap82 26 November 2015 12: 36 New
          +1
          Let's give them another plane? And you to Turkey as a goodwill ambassador.
          The same dull whining as about Ukraine ... do not succumb to provocations. And now in the Crimea they cut light.
          1. theadenter
            theadenter 27 November 2015 00: 08 New
            0
            You still do not understand what I was trying to say?
            The Turks must be repaid, in full. But not poking at it openly with a stick, but with more finely thought out actions.
            If Turkey suffers in such a way that the trace from Russia will not be visible - wouldn't it be better? Or we definitely need to show the world a baton by bombing the border infrastructure inside Turkey.
            The reaction is much tougher. S-400 supplies and a missile cruiser near the border with Turkey are certainly not a slap in the face, but a development of events that is very dangerous for the entire coalition.
        13. c3r
          c3r 27 November 2015 13: 14 New
          0
          Of course, I am against war, but history shows that peace-loving states suffer very much from this quality of their own. Turkey must be crushed, but not by military methods, but by economic methods. Although from these shit ... you can expect everything, even provocations from the Bosphorus and the Dardanelles
      2. Sirocco
        Sirocco 26 November 2015 06: 32 New
        +7
        Quote: 79807420129
        .In the courtyard of my childhood, if such a kid did so, he would not even have been beaten, he was simply an outcast,

        In our childhood, I was so shy, she also ruffled out of the underwear, and ran with tears (I did not touch my finger) to the older boys, and complained. So an outcast from childhood, in his behavior, reminded me of Erdogan, who imagines himself a sultan, if you imagine yourself as such, then act like a sultan (man).
        1. 3axap82
          3axap82 26 November 2015 13: 53 New
          0
          The analogy is wrong. The kid came up and hit me from behind, but didn’t run away and said that he was defending himself ... the other kid turned around and said that he wasn’t talking to the first one again, he didn’t beat.
      3. cniza
        cniza 26 November 2015 08: 04 New
        +4
        Quote: 79807420129
        Erdogan, in general, a coward and cattle, did della and hid under the skirt of NATO’s mother and now he’s yelling from there. In the courtyard of my childhood, if such a kid did that, he would not even have been beaten, he was just an outcast, and the mattress was in his eternal repertoire.


        Он террорист и партия его ни что иное как "братья мусульмане", запрещённая у нас. Его ждёт суд.
        1. volot-voin
          volot-voin 26 November 2015 08: 46 New
          +1
          Quote: cniza
          Он террорист и партия его ни что иное как "братья мусульмане", запрещённая у нас. Его ждёт суд.

          If he survives the trial, the owners of the hotel in Antalya may well crucify him. smile , for example during the next color revolution.
          that Turkey “snapped her nose”,
          Turkey has heavily pocketed itself, greatly undermining its economy by confrontation with the Russian Federation.
          1. anip
            anip 26 November 2015 10: 02 New
            0
            Quote: volot-voin
            Turkey has heavily pocketed itself, greatly undermining its economy by confrontation with the Russian Federation.

            C'mon, everything has already collapsed right there.
            1. volot-voin
              volot-voin 26 November 2015 10: 14 New
              +1
              Quote: anip
              C'mon, everything has already collapsed right there.

              Of course, everything did not collapse, but it certainly did not get better.
        2. 222222
          222222 26 November 2015 10: 20 New
          +3
          cniza RU Сегодня, 08:04 ↑" Он террорист и партия его ни что иное как "братья мусульмане", запрещённая у нас. Его ждёт суд."
          1 .. the policy of Turkey is brought into action by Ahmet Davutoglu, a Turkish statesman and politician. The leader of the ruling Justice and Development Party since August 21, 2014. Turkish Prime Minister since August 28, 2014.
          ... received a master's degree in Public Administration and a doctorate in Political Science and International Relations .....
          .. !!!! .. November 24, 2015 he personally ordered to bring down the SU-24 bomber of the Russian aviation group in Syria, which participated in the operation against ISIS. (As it is written on Wikipedia ..https: //ru.wikipedia.org/wiki /% D0% 94% D0% B0% D0% B2% D1% 83% D1% 82% D0% BE% D0
          %B3%D0%BB%D1%83,_%D0%90%D1%85%D0%BC%D0%B5%D1%82 )
          ..Сатановский (ведущий эксперт по тому региону)...близко к его словам..:"Давут оглу .будучи главой турецкого МИДа издал книгу "Стратегическая глубина " -издана всего на турецком и греческих языках..где прямо сказал .что распад СССР дал турции историческую возможность стать новой османской ..по происхождению крымский татарин ...лично курирует крымские вопросы..""""
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfQGax6n81s
          2..на сайте ВВС Турции размещен документ(на английском )" Видение 2035..Региональный лидер,континентальная сила .." .( “Vision 2035” Regional Leader, Continental Power ")

          http://www.hvkk.tsk.tr/dokuman/En/vision2035.pdf
          1. excomandante
            excomandante 26 November 2015 19: 04 New
            0
            Satanovsky E.Ya., as always, logically and convincingly explained that it is impossible to behave with a frenzied dog in a European manner diplomatically and tolerantly - he will not understand and become more impudent.
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      5. nika407
        nika407 26 November 2015 10: 25 New
        0
        Erdagon wriggles, like in a frying pan. NATO's response is slurred. He fought for his pocket and ultimately harmed his country. He angered the Russian Federation and now it’s certain that all the convoys in a row will be destroyed, block the sky and it will become oh, how hot the Turkish allies are.
      6. 3axap82
        3axap82 26 November 2015 12: 32 New
        -3
        Erdagan himself said that Turkey shot down a Russian plane, and that he considers it reasonable. Putin did not even call Turkey Turkey in a statement. He said that they were shot down by accomplices of terrorists. Who is the coward?
      7. Ka-52
        Ka-52 26 November 2015 18: 44 New
        0
        Походу это вообще "прописка", раз уж мы полезли в этот регион, нам предлагают ответить за "пацана", и от ответа будет зависеть как к нам будут "относится".

        Somehow hi
    3. Very old
      Very old 26 November 2015 06: 10 New
      53
      Here is a comment from China - they suggest flogging:
      1. theadenter
        theadenter 26 November 2015 06: 35 New
        13
        Flog it? It’s disgusting even to touch such. The rat is for life. Rats need only poison. In our case, not by poison, but by harassing with well-planned actions. So that life does not seem to be honey.
        1. Lelek
          Lelek 26 November 2015 07: 04 New
          24
          Quote: theadenter
          It’s disgusting even to touch such. The rat is for life. Rats need only poison.


          Of course. And we have already begun to do this:
          (cry.)
          1. afdjhbn67
            afdjhbn67 26 November 2015 07: 42 New
            +4
            good I wonder what time is it on the Doomsday Clock ??
            1. guzik007
              guzik007 26 November 2015 09: 19 New
              0
              I wonder what time is it on the Doomsday Clock ??
              ----------------------------------------------------------
              recently flashed: 20 minutes.
            2. a housewife
              a housewife 26 November 2015 15: 05 New
              0
              As the Jews on the Temple Mount begin to build the Temple - so without 5.
    4. Patriot 1
      Patriot 1 26 November 2015 06: 19 New
      +7
      Key phrase of the NATO Secretary General: ..... "a common enemy should be "IG". Those. I translate: this is not so, but we strive for it!
      1. Wild_grey_wolf
        Wild_grey_wolf 26 November 2015 06: 47 New
        +6
        Only they can carry nonsense on TV, without understanding anything in the world of EXPERTS. . .
        American chimes.
        1. cniza
          cniza 26 November 2015 08: 19 New
          +6
          Quote: Wild_Grey_Wolf
          Only they can carry nonsense on TV, without understanding anything in the world of EXPERTS. . .
          American chimes.



          When the elections are over, they will sing differently.
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    5. rpek32
      rpek32 26 November 2015 07: 03 New
      +4
      where are the proofs, johnny. show photos of 24ki pieces. without proofs go on foot erotic journey.
      1. RUSOIVAN
        RUSOIVAN 26 November 2015 07: 44 New
        +5
        without proofs go on foot erotic journey
        And go with the proofs too!
    6. NEXUS
      NEXUS 26 November 2015 10: 20 New
      +1
      Quote: Dmitry_24rus
      Information war in action, ce la vie.

      Why pay attention to a barking dog if then she licks her ass?
    7. marlin1203
      marlin1203 26 November 2015 11: 00 New
      +1
      Ставим с-400 и "Москву" с С-300Ф и ждем... Закрыт вопрос. Хорош истерить. soldier
    8. iouris
      iouris 26 November 2015 11: 18 New
      +1
      War is war. It is conducted in all areas. The purpose of the war is to defeat the enemy. The enemy number one time is Russia.
      The United States commands NATO, NATO protects Erdogan, Erdogan and his staff - a terrorist management agent and beneficiary. The information sphere shows: at present, cooperation with NATO and its individual members is impossible.
    9. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg 26 November 2015 12: 49 New
      +1
      Quote: Dmitry_24rus
      Information war in action, ce la vie.


      This is not an information war, this is an abomination.
    10. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov 26 November 2015 15: 07 New
      0
      Похоже, что действительность даже превзошла ожидания Шумилина - в Сирии по факту против России готовы воевать вообще "все".
      Russia, in response, is preparing, judging by reports, to increase the grouping in Syria - the S-400 divisions and 10-12 fighters.
      It seems a little. However, according to the rules, about 100 people in uniform, providing his aerial work on the ground, account for one military flyer in the air. Plus, the S-400 must be guarded and defended on the ground. Thus, we are talking about increasing the group by thousands of people. Which on earth are potentially vulnerable. They will also need to be protected ...
      In general, there is a place to be escalation. The knot, which was already difficult to unravel, is tightening ever tighter.
    11. Down House
      Down House 26 November 2015 19: 21 New
      0
      Quote: Dmitry_24rus
      Information war in action, ce la vie.

      Радует одно - по сообщениям от "русскоязычных американцев" американским политикам даже в США уже давно верят только клинические , которых даже в тупых США меньшинство.
  2. venaya
    venaya 26 November 2015 05: 59 New
    13
    You read their comments, and you understand that these people live in a different, parallel world, a world of dreams. They are some kind of stoned, in a word.
    1. IAlex
      IAlex 26 November 2015 06: 25 New
      +5
      Нифига, они живут в своем мире, подчеркиваю слово "их" мире, который они оккупировали и на котором паразитирую уже 500 лет, творя что захотят...
    2. Hardy
      Hardy 26 November 2015 06: 43 New
      +7
      Quote: venaya
      You read their comments, and you understand that these people live in a different, parallel world, a world of dreams. They are some kind of stoned, in a word.

      Putin lives in a dream world. He is trying to interact with puppets (states), while the world has long been ruled by transnational business, and in our country too.
      You can defeat this infection only by creating your own, independent economy, not based on usury. And he still believes in democracy)))) Yesterday, Yeltsin praised ...
      1. Siberia M 54
        Siberia M 54 26 November 2015 06: 59 New
        12
        By the way, yes. For Yeltsin, he has a special minus.
      2. venaya
        venaya 26 November 2015 07: 08 New
        +7
        Quote: Hardy
        Putin lives in a dream world. He is trying to interact with puppets (states), while the world has long been ruled by transnational business, and in our country too.

        Я всегда считал, что лучше всех ситуацию понимает именно сам Путин. Он не живёт в мире грёз, и его не стоит считать "Кремлёвским мечтателем", а действует исходя их сложившийся обстановки, то, что называется: "Политика - искуство компромиссов". Такой информированности как у него я не обладаю, поэтому судить, тем более строго, считаю для себя слишком опрометчивым поступком, хотя критиковать очень хочется, что я собственно иногда и делаю.
        1. Hardy
          Hardy 26 November 2015 09: 14 New
          +2
          Quote: venaya

          I always thought that it was Putin himself who understood the situation best.

          Any situation always has several levels of understanding. It is very difficult for a person to go beyond the framework of his idea of ​​reality. For how many millennia people have looked at the Sun and thought that it revolves around the Earth ...

          Forward people can lead only one who has gone beyond the current concept of reality. And what does Putin offer? Live by the Anglo-Saxon rules, but honestly)))) That is, honestly steal?))))
          Naturally, the West does not understand him and will never understand))))
          It still seems to our patriots that it is such a trick not to show the enemy their true intentions to the last. And what really is Putin for justice. Justice is such our unofficial national idea)))

          You can certainly wait and hope for something. But for all the years of his reign, Putin has not done anything to break the vassal system that we built in the 90s. He led Russia to such dependence on the extracted resources, which was never even under the USSR. That is, he made a good gas station. And now he also helped the West to create an enemy out of itself, which again is in the hands of traders and arms manufacturers. Yes, any of our military tactical victory is billions of dollars in their pocket. But it cannot be tactical, because business is outside of the states. Although the US itself is bombing, nothing will change.

          Путин скорее всего искренне хочет России процветания, но к сожалению не способен предложить альтернативного пути развития. Помните, он в начале себя менеджером называл, управленцем))) Так и есть, хороший такой управляющий. Только вот хозяева решили наш "колхоз" немного оптимизировать. Сократить зарплаты, снизить социальные расходы, закрыть не профильные производства... И ничего личного, тупо бизнес, все для повышения своей прибыли.
          And he got up in a pose)))) Well, either create your own economy or do what the Fed tells you ...
          1. anip
            anip 26 November 2015 10: 09 New
            +3
            Quote: Hardy
            But for all the years of his reign, Putin has not done anything to break the vassal system that we built in the 90s. He led Russia to such dependence on the extracted resources, which was never even under the USSR.

            This is yes.

            Quote: Hardy
            Putin most likely sincerely wants Russia to prosper

            How is this consistent with the above quote?

            Quote: Hardy
            but unfortunately not able to offer an alternative path of development.

            Well, yes, he can only run with outstretched hands, offering to buy oil and gas, pull pipes, and collapse the ruble, thereby compensating for the failure in economic policy and driving people into poverty.
      3. anip
        anip 26 November 2015 10: 05 New
        +3
        Quote: Hardy
        You can defeat this infection only by creating your own, independent economy, not based on usury. And he still believes in democracy)))) Yesterday, Yeltsin praised ...

        Yes, he does not believe in any democracy, he believes in money, which he strips from the people. And what did Yeltsin praise, so who pulled Putin out?
        1. Hardy
          Hardy 26 November 2015 14: 11 New
          0
          Quote: anip
          Yes, he does not believe in any democracy, he believes in money, which he strips from the people. And what did Yeltsin praise, so who pulled Putin out?

          It depends on what democracy means.))) Of course, he knows how elections are made)))
          Но демократия в ее теперешнем понимании это не власть всего народа, а власть "элиты". Власть тех, с кем по мнению Путина можно и нужно договариваться. И возможно он считает, что аккуратное соблюдение интересов всех игроков позволит и электорату как-то жить...
          Well, that is, he is not for justice, but for rationality)))
          And then it suddenly turns out that the rules of the game can change and agreements with his big brother are worthless ...
          Не, ну видно же, что парень реально расстроился и переживает. Он очень старался быть для всех хорошим, "сейчас же не 37 год"...)))
  3. Moore
    Moore 26 November 2015 06: 00 New
    +4
    Well, do not expect objectivity from all these media jesters?
  4. izya top
    izya top 26 November 2015 06: 04 New
    +6
    shuffle and tuff, jackals. Can't they see how narrow-minded they look?
  5. Finches
    Finches 26 November 2015 06: 05 New
    +8
    There is no sense to pay attention to the statement of all kinds of American clowns released into the arena of the election circus for the sake of pseudo-democratic pretense, but Stoltenberg's bleating is indicative! He is well aware that NATO has long turned into a rotten sack of potatoes and if it hadn’t been for the Americans all the time putting props in Europe’s backside, it would have long been ordered to live long! And he does not want to check this maxim in practice for the sake of some sort of Turkish Turkey, and even against Russia!
  6. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 26 November 2015 06: 07 New
    +5
    Lindsay Graham called the destruction of the Su-24 "a good thing" and noted that Turkey "snapped Russia on the nose"

    Когда наконец собьют американский самолет я с превеликим удовольствием назову это "хорошем делом" и " щелчком по носу Сша". При этом у меня не будет ни какого чувства сожаления, зато будет огромное любопытство на характер американских комментариев по этому поводу.
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 26 November 2015 06: 21 New
      +9
      And so that the wreckage fell on the territory of the United States and damaged a bunch of senators and congressmen!
  7. Al_oriso
    Al_oriso 26 November 2015 06: 10 New
    18
    Самое обидное - то, что нас действительно "щёлкнули по носу". Нас всех.
    And now they are laughing.
    I really hope for the return move that shuts up these neighing mouths.
    1. Sirocco
      Sirocco 26 November 2015 06: 40 New
      +5
      Quote: Al_oriso
      Самое обидное - то, что нас действительно "щёлкнули по носу". Нас всех.
      And now they are laughing.

      Да не нас они щелкнули, а себе на причинное место наступили когда сходили по большому, и встать теперь не могут, вот и визжат, только поздно уже, мне кажется что в плане информационной войны они проиграли в этом раунде, наши СМИ сработали четко, ничего не скрывая, в режиме можно сказать он лайн, доводили информацию нам с вами. Предполагаю, что "партнеры" ждали обратного, после того как был издан указ президента о "закрытии" потерь среди военнослужащих РФ. А не вышло как они хотели.
    2. a housewife
      a housewife 26 November 2015 15: 11 New
      +1
      It’s smart to click on the bear’s nose when it’s not waiting, it’s brave, yes! What will happen next - even the bear himself doesn’t know!
      1. asar
        asar 26 November 2015 17: 05 New
        +1
        Clicking on the bear’s nose ... Hmm!
        It's probably like standing over a sleeping bear’s den in the dead of winter and hounding!
        Но до поры до времени, борзость! Пока мишка наконец не проснется! Вот тогда и начнется "веселуха" для оборзевших!

        Some of its units fell on Turkish territory and injured two citizens. ”

        Видимо, болезнь "потрошенко с куском автобуса" все же заразна! Есть такой "кадр" в Восточной Европе, тоже трясет всем, что под руку попадется (ладно хоть трусы надел, а так, даже страшно подумать, чем бы тряс петюня!)
        Oh, Turks, your mother, remember at least Sinop and the Balkans or something!
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  8. dmitrich
    dmitrich 26 November 2015 06: 11 New
    0
    Quote: venaya
    You read their comments, and you understand that these people live in a different, parallel world, a world of dreams. They are some kind of stoned, in a word.
    in short need a repeat of September 11!
  9. ImPerts
    ImPerts 26 November 2015 06: 12 New
    39
    Why so? Why are you doing this? It’s not my fault, he himself came ...
    1. Barboskin
      Barboskin 26 November 2015 06: 27 New
      15
      а я прочитал как "ПРОСТИТУЦИЯ" fellow . In principle, I agreed, I just thought that it was not the topic, I read it again and then it came to pass!
      1. jjj
        jjj 26 November 2015 09: 55 New
        +4
        This is a great example of a play on the words of the great and mighty.
  10. aszzz888
    aszzz888 26 November 2015 06: 16 New
    +5
    I think that the answer is not far off.
    Act calmly, calmly and do not forgive!
    1. Sirocco
      Sirocco 26 November 2015 06: 50 New
      +7
      Perhaps it has already arrived, yesterday’s video.
      Something in the middle of the video, as Alla does not convincingly shout at the bar.
      1. ABVGDEZH
        ABVGDEZH 26 November 2015 09: 06 New
        +2
        Decline of mood among Akbarians below the plinth is not otherwise.
      2. kagorta
        kagorta 26 November 2015 09: 07 New
        +1
        In Afghanistan, often to bring about cooperation between the village elders, a BShU was conducted near the village. And seeing the result of the BShU, the elders abruptly began to cooperate, because they understood that the next blow would be in the village if they did not agree. And there will be no village ...
  11. Sergey Guriev
    Sergey Guriev 26 November 2015 06: 18 New
    +3
    Well, I really want to fight. Nishtyaki from the military-industrial complex of the SGA themselves will sprinkle in their hands. The entire policy of such hawks comes from financial interest. They do not care who anyone and how, if only to load the military-industrial complex to the very neck. They are absolutely sure that no one and nothing will get them, and Trotsky was once an annoying exception.
  12. iliitchitch
    iliitchitch 26 November 2015 06: 19 New
    +6
    I’m looking at the photo and I want to give the brow to the right in turnips, with a brick, even before the mouth opens. But because Kazel, it’s written on the forehead. And do such degenerates climb into their presidency?
    1. Falconmg
      Falconmg 26 November 2015 08: 52 New
      +3
      Когда смотрю на эти фальшивые натянутые улыбки, как рейтузы на забор, так хочется чтобы с неба они увидели огненный дождь! Не из Российских боевых блоков, ибо нам это дорого обойдется, а из нескольких десятков таких подарков как пролетел над Челябинском. Может быть после этого "Богоизбранная" нация села на жопу и сидела ровно, да и у себя в стране им было бы чем заняться!
  13. 1536
    1536 26 November 2015 06: 21 New
    +7
    The Turks need to be given a tough, adequate answer!
  14. Alexander 3
    Alexander 3 26 November 2015 06: 21 New
    +5
    How zadolbali their next rounds of assistance to the igil.
  15. Wolka
    Wolka 26 November 2015 06: 23 New
    +8
    ворон ворону глаз не выклюет,пусть потешатся для себя убогих, но вчерась ни одно турецкая сволочь не поднялась в небо, хотя наши соколы неоднократно летали на грани фола вдоль границ Сирии и турции, ну так "подразнить гусей", у дипломатов дипломатия, а у военных свои правила игры...
  16. parusnik
    parusnik 26 November 2015 06: 30 New
    +5
    Senator Lindsay Graham, who also spoke on the TV channel, called the destruction of the Su-24 "a good thing," and noted that Turkey deftly "clicked Russia on the nose.".. И прочие..Поглумились?..Хорошо, глумится тот, кто глумится последним...Америкосы..прочитайте Повести Белкина,повесть "Выстрел", лётчик один наш написал..АС Пушкин
    1. Lelek
      Lelek 26 November 2015 07: 21 New
      +5
      Quote: parusnik
      And the others ... mocked?


      А чему Вы удивляетесь. Вспомните каковы были реакции США в начале ВОВ: выжидали, чей будет перевес и с кого побольше содрать по ленд-лизу, тянули с открытием 2-го фронта до последнего момента, одиозных фигурантов СС переправили на свой материк. Разве не то же самое повторяется сегодня, только с ещё бОльшим цинизмом? Нам надлежит твёрдо усвоить, что США и НАТО всегда будут враждебны нам, пусть не в "горячей" войне, но это ВРАГИ (а на войне, как на войне).
    2. tehnokrat
      tehnokrat 26 November 2015 23: 47 New
      0
      I totally agree! Moreover, I thought: I’ll read the comments, and
      приведу эту аналогию, с "Выстрелом".
      The answer, however, cannot be delayed for a long time, but retribution should be so even then,
      how and when the enemy does not expect.
      And this is best done on a cold head.
  17. SAM 5
    SAM 5 26 November 2015 06: 35 New
    +2
    [quote] Another round of anti-Russian hysteria [/ quote
    And no matter what and wherever we do, it causes another round in them. So it was, is and will be. We need less to pay attention to their πzhezh and do our business.
  18. press officer
    press officer 26 November 2015 06: 41 New
    +4
    ну после "защиты Нато" Эрдоган сразу заявил, что выдвинет танки на ту часть границы..... Опупел? Или страх потерял?

    Вы почитайте как наши "небратья" то счастливы, что удалось туркам нашего подбить! Там просто зашкаливает маразм+! wassat Уродец пастор уже ждет когда " русские истребители охраняющие сушек, также будут сбиваться"! Зла и мата уже не хватает! am Maybe on the border of Turkey and the outskirts of the caliber to send? yes Let then Nato scream that we are such a damn not tolerant! No.
    1. B.T.V.
      B.T.V. 26 November 2015 07: 23 New
      +7
      Quote: press attache
      Уродец пастор уже ждет когда " русские истребители охраняющие сушек, также будут сбиваться"!


      Сегодня разговаривала с мамой( живёт в Крыму, под Алуштой), т.к. с электричеством напряг, информированность плохая. Я ей рассказывала о сбитом самолёте, о гибели ребят, о реакции " дружественных" Крыму соседей, в частности пастора. Её ответ: " дочка, всем им воздастся, особенно " кровавому пастору", ведь не зря говорят: " Бог- не теля, видит откеля"".
  19. Mowgli
    Mowgli 26 November 2015 06: 43 New
    +6
    Marco Rubio ... advised the White House to give the Russians a “hawkish” answer.


    Crap from a great height?
    Хотя, видимо, здесь неточность перевода. Должно быть "голубиный ответ". У голубей лучше получается...
  20. Glot
    Glot 26 November 2015 06: 46 New
    +1
    Nothing new, the same words, the same people. Did someone expect another?
    As Alexander III said a long time ago:
    - Russia has only two allies, its army and navy.
    These words, as they were true, are so and will be so. Yes, there are enough random travelers and enough, but we don’t have reliable allies or friends. And this must always be understood and remembered.
    And the Turks ... I very much hope that they will still regret the deed.
    1. Darkoff
      Darkoff 26 November 2015 07: 01 New
      +3
      ... army, navy ... and vks!
      1. Glot
        Glot 26 November 2015 08: 48 New
        +1

        DarkOFF SU  Today, 07:01 ↑


        ... army, navy ... and vks!


        This is clear, but when Alexander said this, there was no VKS and Air Force.
        The meaning of the whole phrase is true now and then, and will be true in the future.
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      3. PSih2097
        PSih2097 26 November 2015 11: 12 New
        +1
        Quote: DarkOFF
        ... army, navy ... and vks!

        and units of special operations ... smile
    2. anip
      anip 26 November 2015 10: 12 New
      +2
      Quote: Glot
      Russia has only two allies, its army and navy.

      Yes, people should be an ally, PEOPLE. When the people will truly be an ally, when they will cease to rob them constantly, then Russia will have everything. Is this still incomprehensible?
      1. Glot
        Glot 26 November 2015 11: 25 New
        +1
        Yes, people should be an ally, PEOPLE. When the people will truly be an ally, when they will cease to rob them constantly, then Russia will have everything. Is this still incomprehensible?


        And who is the Army and Navy, nor the People?
        Here we are talking about the situation OUTSIDE and you are kicking everything at the Kremlin ... Take off the budenovka already, it will not come in handy now.
        При чём тут "Народ союзник России" ? Россия и есть - Народ, а Народ - Россия !
        And the Power ... Show at least one Power that does not use its People to one degree or another robbing it and living at the expense of it? Is there such a thing?
        1. a housewife
          a housewife 26 November 2015 15: 18 New
          0
          Anip translation - a person has the best friend - he himself.
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  21. Nymp
    Nymp 26 November 2015 06: 52 New
    +5
    I look forward to when our S-400 delivered to Syria knock a couple of Turkish cocks on the F-16!
    1. Doomph
      Doomph 26 November 2015 07: 35 New
      +6
      I agree. I think that ours simply decided to wait until the passions subside and the Turks again begin to fly at the border. Then they will return in response. And for some reason it seems to me that the answer will be loud.
  22. Bjorn
    Bjorn 26 November 2015 06: 57 New
    +4
    Yes, everything is fine ... Erdogan has an overwhelming rating, he is a hero, comparable for his people only with the same heroes from igil. The West supported the ally. In general, everyone rests on their laurels. No, of course, there is a fear of otvetka, but every day it becomes less and less ...
    In a word - we are waiting ...
    I am sure that ours have already figured out how to stop ent euphoria.
    1. U-96
      U-96 26 November 2015 08: 31 New
      +3
      Quote: Bjorn
      Erdogan has a prohibitive rating

      I would not say.
      1. Bjorn
        Bjorn 26 November 2015 09: 46 New
        0
        It's sarcasm. I just voiced his desire to break the rating of igil. There are so many sympathetic igles in the Middle East, and not only there. So Erdogan decided to compete with the terrorists in the ratings.
        For a short time he succeeded.
        Well, what will happen next ... Depends on Russia. Only on it !!!
  23. 1536
    1536 26 November 2015 06: 58 New
    +9
    Вот "копья" мы тут ломаем, клавиатуру стачиваем, а все намного проще, чем кажется.
    Представил я себе жирную тетку постбальзаковского уже возраста, сидящую в каком-нибудь турагенстве "Тайфун" в Подмосковном городке, у которой трое детей от разных мужей (причем один муж был турок), у нее кредит на автомобиль, мать больная, старшая дочь в выпускном классе учится, поступать в институт денег надо (не на панель же ей идти), и подумал, а как же она теперь эта тетка будет жить? Ведь 25 лет она охмуряла сограждан, отправляя их в Анталью, Хургаду и т.п. помойки на Ближнем Востоке и в Сев. Африке (других направлений директор турагенства ей не доверял), а теперь? Жизнь-то рушится!
    И второе, нельзя одновременно воевать за суверенитет страны и свободу народа и открывать памятники и музеи его палачам, какой бы пост эти палачи не занимали в прошлом! Боюсь, что конец в этом случае может быть один - развал того, что эти палачи в свое время сделали и "создали"!
    Maybe, all the same, to wrinkle the brain? BUT?
    1. atalef
      atalef 26 November 2015 08: 02 New
      11
      Quote: 1536
      Представил я себе жирную тетку постбальзаковского уже возраста, сидящую в каком-нибудь турагенстве "Тайфун" в Подмосковном городке, у которой трое детей от разных мужей (причем один муж был турок), у нее кредит на автомобиль, мать больная, старшая дочь в выпускном классе учится, поступать в институт денег надо (не на панель же ей идти), и подумал, а как же она теперь эта тетка будет жить? Ведь 25 лет она охмуряла сограждан, отправляя их в Анталью, Хургаду и т.п. помойки на Ближнем Востоке и в Сев. Африке (других направлений директор турагенства ей не доверял), а теперь? Жизнь-то рушится!

      Eugene, do not paint everything in such colors.
      Holidays in Turkey and Egypt - was an absolutely normal and budget outlet for millions of Russians.
      and didn’t go there due to the dump. and because of the budget and the lack of an alternative to the house (by the way, don’t tell. But this alternative will not appear - the season in Crimea is 3 months with difficulty, and everything else in the form of Europe. Canary. Caribbean, etc. - the average statistical Russian will not pull
      Turkey and Egypt - it was good for the Russians.
      and until there is a clear alternative, they will continue to ride.
      1. andj61
        andj61 26 November 2015 08: 26 New
        +7
        Quote: atalef
        They didn’t sit there for no reason. and because of the budget and the lack of an alternative to the house (by the way, don’t tell. But this alternative will not appear - the season in Crimea is 3 months with difficulty, and everything else in the form of Europe. Canary. Caribbean, etc. - the average statistical Russian will not pull
        Turkey and Egypt - it was good for the Russians.
        and until there is a clear alternative, they will continue to ride.

        Alexander, hi ездить, конечно, продолжат - кое-кто. Вот только нет уже в Турции той бюджетности - есть "всё включено" (Тагил рулит!) и пьяный отдых. Смотреть там нечего, только пузо греть и пьянствовать. И небезопасно - каждый год инциденты с левым алкоголем, с безопасностью на дорогах, с лечением в клиниках. В Турции был один раз в 2009 - понравилось, но больше туда съездить даже желания не возникло. И по цене сейчас там уже вполне прилично, можно выбрать в принципе за те же деньги и Крит, и Испанию, и Черногорию. Что я и делал. В этом году я ездил с семьёй на машине под Туапсе - и всё побережье объездил, и впечатлений масса, и гораздо дешевле. В прошлом был под Питером - вполне конкурирует. Проживём мы без Турции, вполне проживём!
        It’s better to take you on a budget tour - and you can warm your belly for a couple of days in Eilat, and they will bring you to the Dead Sea for advertising purposes, and visit the Holy places and see where all the same this notorious hand of Tel Aviv lives! bully . Да и то, что "на четверть бывший наш народ" - тоже немаловажно! drinks
        If prices were a little downward, it would be very good!
        1. U-96
          U-96 26 November 2015 08: 49 New
          +4
          Quote: andj61
          drunk rest

          хорошо сказал. Никогда не понимал отдыха в алгоритме "пляж-бар-постель-шведский стол-пляж". Хотя, конечно, нетривиальный отдых требует средств.
        2. atalef
          atalef 26 November 2015 10: 36 New
          +2
          Quote: andj61
          ездить, конечно, продолжат - кое-кто. Вот только нет уже в Турции той бюджетности - есть "всё включено" (Тагил рулит!) и пьяный отдых.

          for me there’s nothing to do in Turkey. I was once on a cruise on a ship, I didn’t like it and I don’t like anything.
          Turks never digested
          Quote: andj61
          It’s better to take you on a budget tour - and you can warm your belly for a couple of days in Eilat, and they will bring you to the Dead Sea for advertising purposes, and visit the Holy places and see where all the same this notorious Tel Aviv hand lives

          Think, meet, ride - there is something to see. You will not regret hi
        3. atalef
          atalef 26 November 2015 10: 36 New
          +1
          Quote: andj61
          ездить, конечно, продолжат - кое-кто. Вот только нет уже в Турции той бюджетности - есть "всё включено" (Тагил рулит!) и пьяный отдых.

          for me there’s nothing to do in Turkey. I was once on a cruise on a ship, I didn’t like it and I don’t like anything.
          Turks never digested
          Quote: andj61
          It’s better to take you on a budget tour - and you can warm your belly for a couple of days in Eilat, and they will bring you to the Dead Sea for advertising purposes, and visit the Holy places and see where all the same this notorious Tel Aviv hand lives

          Think, meet, ride - there is something to see. You will not regret hi
          1. yastr
            yastr 26 November 2015 15: 28 New
            0
            Очень интересно, особенно фермы в пустыне поражают: с финиками и бесконечными рядами "антитеплиц" :) Мёртвое море - вообще феноменально:)

            I was very surprised that in Jerusalem and Bethlehem the vast majority of tourists are Russian speakers. There was an opinion (subjective) that the holy places of the bourgeoisie were not interested.
        4. star44
          star44 26 November 2015 10: 45 New
          +1
          Это в Турции смотреть нечего??? Земля со 100 вековой историей... Может просто попробовать оторваться от бутылки и "все включено" и выйти за ворота отеля, осмотрев все трезвыми глазами? Да и отдых там более качественный и дешевый по сравнению с черноморским побережьем, а тем более Крымом... Поверьте, был там несколько раз "дикарем" с привлечением в аренду мастного авто. Впечатлений на много лет вперед... Но согласен в другом, за наши потери "ответка" должна быть. Грамотная, взвешенная, без истерии, но запоминающаяся на долго. С нашей, слегка бронированной, пардон, задницей прыгать на НАТОвского ежа пока рано, но вляпать его в пахучее дер-мо вполне возможно. Еще раз пардон за мой плохой французский...
          1. andj61
            andj61 26 November 2015 12: 05 New
            +2
            Quote: Star44
            Это в Турции смотреть нечего??? Земля со 100 вековой историей... Может просто попробовать оторваться от бутылки и "все включено" и выйти за ворота отеля, осмотрев все трезвыми глазами? Да и отдых там более качественный и дешевый по сравнению с черноморским побережьем, а тем более Крымом...

            I don’t know how you went wild in Turkey, but there, it’s worth going beyond the hotel-beach-resort zone, no one will say a word even in English, but they refuse to speak with ours and turn their faces back. In 2009, I was on an excursion to the fortress in Alanya - in general, you can’t really see anything, the guide does not know anything, those who drive Germans and all sorts of different Swedes also know nothing about history, they specially approached and listened. I had to tell our group - I looked at the network first. And such an impression is formed that the history of the region - and there was an Armenian state, and the Greeks (Byzantium) were noted, and the crusaders too - in general, the Turks do not want to know: it's not them! They only guess about the Ottoman Empire.
            For the Turks aerobatics - this is some kind of swan from a towel on a made bed to roll.
            1. andrew42
              andrew42 26 November 2015 15: 30 New
              0
              Ну так и в Египте такая же петрушка была. Дикари и торгаши торгуют культурными останками цивилизаций, которые сами же и добили, причем уже даже об этом слабо помнят. Это всё от лени. Гидам легче прогнать пургу лоховатым туристам, да сводить по магазинчикам на закупки "стеклянных бус", чем сесть и более-менее прилично изучить объекты экскурсий. Бывал в тех краях, и в Турляндии тоже. Один раз свезло, - гидом оказался "русский турок", с советской юностью и нижегородским выговором, да еще и с историческим образованием, полученным то ли в последние годы Союза, то ли в России начала 90-х. В Анталии никогда не забуду экскурсию (не помню названия затонувшего полиса, лень искать, да сто тысяч наших там побывало, думаю), короче древняя Ликия, но полис времен начала расцвета Римской империи. Типа, затонувший город. Ну, парились на корабле .слушая бред по радио, подплыли к паре оставшихся ступенек на острвое, и всёёёё. А где высадка? Где энтот самый город? Да вот, под днищем, а высадиться низзяяя. Поплыли назад. Профанация. Но всё-таки в Турции с ознакомлением древностей получше чем в Египтосе. И правы Вы, конечно, что могут торгаши и скотоводы поведать о некогда цветущей Византии? Я уж про Карию,и Ликию даже не вспоминаю.
          2. andrew42
            andrew42 26 November 2015 15: 16 New
            +2
            Согласен, в Турции много мест с отменным климатом, одно это много значит. Да и земля просто дышит древней историей. Правда на костях всех этих цивилизаций бодро резвятся потомки туркменских "башибузуков", но это есть как есть. Скажем так, сам Бог создал Малую Азию для современного туризма. Но! Ценность этого стремится к нулю, так как владеющее этой землей государство Турция фактически объявило себя врагом России и российского народа. Умерла так умерла. А кто же минус Вам влепил, надо исправить..
      2. Down House
        Down House 26 November 2015 19: 56 New
        0
        Quote: atalef
        Holidays in Turkey and Egypt - was an absolutely normal and budget outlet for millions of Russians.

        Да помойкой он был для тех, кому лишние 2-3 тыс. в месяц на нормальный отпуск отложить "жаба душила" - он эти деньги пропивал банально.
        But it’s okay, even if they’re either sitting at home now or looking for 10-20 thousand for a vacation a level higher — I don’t see any problems at all.
    2. U-96
      U-96 26 November 2015 08: 31 New
      +4
      Quote: 1536
      frowning fellow citizens, sending them to Antalya, Hurghada, etc. garbage in the Middle East and North. Africa

      А почему, собственно, "помойки"? Ок, доведите крымские и кавказские курорты до уровня "помойки" - "Таги-и-и-ил!" поедет туда. Я понимаю, конечно, эмоции по отношению к туркам, но всё же будьте объективны - уровень их турсервиса пока вне конкуренции. Впрочем, не могу судить - не моё.
      1. Corsair
        Corsair 26 November 2015 10: 06 New
        +4
        Quote: U-96
        А почему, собственно, "помойки"? Ок, доведите крымские и кавказские курорты до уровня "помойки" - "Таги-и-и-ил!" поедет туда. Я понимаю, конечно, эмоции по отношению к туркам, но всё же будьте объективны - уровень их турсервиса пока вне конкуренции. Впрочем, не могу судить - не моё.

        what Меня вот что удивляет в этом мире, столько лет ездили на речку, озера, по возможности на свои моря, а потом вдруг всем захотелось загорать осенью и зимой на морях, халявной жратвы и выпивки... Потом удивляются откуда столько больных онкологией - да потому что нельзя столько нам солнца, мы здесь родились каждый в своем регионе и организм адаптировался годами, здоровье и имунная система заложенные генами не готовы к "нашим хотелкам", плюс своя экология местами не айс
        I traveled to Cyprus for several years, took my child to the sea in the summer, suggested the possibility of a trip to Egypt and Turkey - but just to look at it once and definitely not in winter, but to relax on the Volga, in the Black Sea, but anywhere in good weather - is no different from any foreign rest, save extra pounds and plant a liver.
        1. atalef
          atalef 26 November 2015 11: 45 New
          +1
          Quote: Corsair
          This is what surprises me in this world: for so many years we went to a river, lakes, if possible to our seas, and then suddenly everyone wanted to sunbathe in the fall and winter on the seas, free grub and drink


          Well, someone likes aorbuz, and someone pork cartilage.
          By the way, why freebies? Do you think the Turks are giving something to someone?
          Quote: Corsair
          Потом удивляются откуда столько больных онкологией - да потому что нельзя столько нам солнца, мы здесь родились каждый в своем регионе и организм адаптировался годами, здоровье и имунная система заложенные генами не готовы к "нашим хотелкам", плюс своя экология местами не айс


          I would argue with you, but I’m sure, having re-read my post again - you will understand - somehow it’s not completely convincing, you wrote
          Quote: Corsair
          I traveled to Cyprus for several years, drove a child to the sea in the summer, suggested the possibility of a trip to Egypt and Turkey - but just to look at it once and certainly not in winter, but to relax on the Volga, in the Black Sea, but anywhere in good weather - is no different from any foreign rest, save extra pounds and plant a liver

          C'mon, you. Patriotism is good, but the same is not necessary to break away from reality.
        2. atalef
          atalef 26 November 2015 11: 45 New
          0
          Quote: Corsair
          This is what surprises me in this world: for so many years we went to a river, lakes, if possible to our seas, and then suddenly everyone wanted to sunbathe in the fall and winter on the seas, free grub and drink


          Well, someone likes aorbuz, and someone pork cartilage.
          By the way, why freebies? Do you think the Turks are giving something to someone?
          Quote: Corsair
          Потом удивляются откуда столько больных онкологией - да потому что нельзя столько нам солнца, мы здесь родились каждый в своем регионе и организм адаптировался годами, здоровье и имунная система заложенные генами не готовы к "нашим хотелкам", плюс своя экология местами не айс


          I would argue with you, but I’m sure, having re-read my post again - you will understand - somehow it’s not completely convincing, you wrote
          Quote: Corsair
          I traveled to Cyprus for several years, drove a child to the sea in the summer, suggested the possibility of a trip to Egypt and Turkey - but just to look at it once and certainly not in winter, but to relax on the Volga, in the Black Sea, but anywhere in good weather - is no different from any foreign rest, save extra pounds and plant a liver

          C'mon, you. Patriotism is good, but the same is not necessary to break away from reality.
    3. Cap.Morgan
      Cap.Morgan 26 November 2015 09: 07 New
      -6
      You feel that the Red Sea is not to your liking. Let's be objective.
      Nobody will go to sunbathe in the luxurious Russian resorts of the Arctic Ocean.
      Turkish resorts - this is not a garbage dump, but an inexpensive opportunity to relax humanly.

      The fat aunt who is described here will simply go to the sites of hotels in India, Cambodia, Thailand with two clicks of a computer mouse ... envy her silently.
      As for the enemies of the people, the monuments to which they open and close, don’t worry, no one will rename Vorovsky street in Moscow, people will live by the metro named after the executioner of the royal family. With the victory of you.
      1. U-96
        U-96 26 November 2015 09: 22 New
        +2
        Quote: Cap.Morgan
        people will live by the metro named after the executioner of the royal family. With the victory of you.

        I don’t quite understand what you mentioned to Voikov. In your opinion, cockroach racing with renaming is a necessary and paramount matter? If you sleep poorly near the Voykovskaya metro station, you can exchange the apartment for an area with a more neutral station. Say textile workers.
        1. ioann1
          ioann1 26 November 2015 16: 04 New
          -2
          In your opinion, cockroach racing with renaming is a necessary and paramount matter? In this he is right! All names carry the spirit of the deceased. And the change of places will give nothing but fuss, and the spirit of the bloody killer of the Anointed of God puts pressure on us all.
          Why don't we call the streets by names: Hitler, Bandera, half a sweat, chikatilo? Probably because such an idea would not be understandable to us, and to call it that means to be with them. Living under their spirit, remembering them constantly, naming the address and listening to announcements in the subway and ground transport ...
          And renaming is not such a super complicated event, as it is explained, but in 70 years time for this important event, renaming, can you find? Or should we always remember the bloody killer of Voikov and the worst villain Sverdlov, who killed tens of thousands of Cossacks with his orders!
          If in renaming nothing of this would be significant, then surely they would have buried where necessary. But no, everyone goes to the cemetery, to the churchyard, and this is a church matter. But atheists are not aware that denying God, they kill themselves. And the Church teaches that the dead must be buried, sort of like parting words and intercession before the Lord for the forgiveness of sins. And you do not understand what it means to live in a city, in a country where streets and regions are named after vampires and nasty monsters.
      2. 1536
        1536 26 November 2015 10: 18 New
        0
        Good luck to a fat aunt, dear!
      3. a housewife
        a housewife 26 November 2015 15: 27 New
        0
        Воровского? Или Войкова? Или всё равно кого, лишь бы на "В"?
      4. ioann1
        ioann1 26 November 2015 15: 46 New
        -1
        It is as if in your style: in 1942 a group of Soviet tourists went on vacation to the azure shores of Italy. And not disgusting to you, dear ?!
  24. Fantazer911
    Fantazer911 26 November 2015 07: 00 New
    0
    this is where PI and KU are natural bl in life, there are no thoughts and they scatter in horror. Now, if Russia shot down the plane, there would have been more stinks and now it’s necessary to jam them so that it’s not something to take off or sail away, but they were even afraid to go to the toilet and sat there for hours, I guessed that the Turks were blue but did not know that they were prostitutes
    1. anip
      anip 26 November 2015 10: 15 New
      +1
      Quote: Fantazer911
      and now we need to muffle them so that it’s not like flying up or sailing away, but we were even afraid to go to the toilet and sat there for hours

      Late. It was necessary to answer immediately, and now it's late.
  25. mik0588
    mik0588 26 November 2015 07: 01 New
    +3
    Kirsan Ilyumzhinov is on the US sanctions list
    The US Treasury Department has imposed sanctions on the president of the International Chess Federation (FIDE) and co-owner of Russian Financial Alliance Bank Kirsan Ilyumzhinov because of Syria, reported on the website of the department. The Ministry of Finance suspects Mr. Ilyumzhinov of ties with the head of the Syrian Central Bank, Adib Mayaleh. For the same reason, a citizen of Russia Mudalal Khuri, who is a co-owner of the RFA, fell under sanctions. US sanctions have also been imposed on a Syrian citizen and one Cyprus citizen associated with them.
    US sanctions also included two Russian organizations, the Russian Financial Alliance and Hudsotrade Limited, and four companies from Syria, Cyprus and Belize.
    А вот санкционный список, на который ссылается "Коммерсант"
    www.treasury ... s / 20151125.aspx
    Syria designations
    11/25/2015
    1. guzik007
      guzik007 26 November 2015 09: 24 New
      +3
      Kirsan Ilyumzhinov is on the US sanctions list
      ------------------------------------------------
      even I can’t regret and sympathize with me.
  26. sery volk
    sery volk 26 November 2015 07: 05 New
    +9
    why did you applaud the departure of the Soviet army from eastern Europe, NATO didn’t dare to squeak knowing that the SA needed a couple of hours to get to the Gibraltar, all these are consequences of the country's betrayal by the top leadership and part of the people in the 90s
  27. Volga Cossack
    Volga Cossack 26 November 2015 07: 11 New
    +2
    only a tough answer to all this !!! info war in full swing ..........
  28. bubla5
    bubla5 26 November 2015 07: 25 New
    0
    There is a reason now to shoot down all planes to the left and right of the alliance
  29. Doomph
    Doomph 26 November 2015 07: 33 New
    +3
    ! Я "короткую речь Эрдогана" читал дольше, чем наша "сушка" находилась в воздушном пространстве Турции (по мнению самих турок 17 секунд).
    1. U-96
      U-96 26 November 2015 08: 24 New
      0
      Quote: Doomph
      (according to the Turks themselves 17 seconds).

      Yankees talked about 3 seconds.
      1. Corsair
        Corsair 26 November 2015 10: 13 New
        0
        Quote: U-96
        Yankees talked about 3 seconds.

        I think even 20 seconds is not enough in case of detection of an airplane (moreover, an unfamiliar one, it is not clear whose Erdogan says) - report to the base - ask permission to shoot down - warn the plane 10 times. In any case, they waited in ambush.
  30. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 26 November 2015 07: 45 New
    0
    Yes, let these Western monkeys boil there in their cauldron. All the same, you can’t convince everyone and don’t. Their fate is to be monkeys! It is necessary to make a clear statement on Turkey: as long as they do not officially acknowledge their mistake, not by quietly, but by a public statement, we have nothing to cooperate with them.
    1. U-96
      U-96 26 November 2015 08: 53 New
      0
      Quote: dchegrinec
      Yes let these western monkeys

      напомнило куплеты Велюрова из "Покровских ворот": "Пусть поджигатель хрипит и вопит..."))
  31. yuliatreb
    yuliatreb 26 November 2015 07: 47 New
    +1
    Yes, in what airspace it was, it no longer plays a role. A clearly planned action on how the Russians will behave in this situation. So we conclude, the puppeteer started a VERY NOT GOOD GAME and wants to take Russia weakly. But thank God, for the fact that in our country there is a sensible politician with a cold head, I think 1-0 in our favor in this situation.
  32. Wedmak
    Wedmak 26 November 2015 07: 55 New
    +4
    How furious these constant, out of place smiles of the Americans. Like dummies.
  33. ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 26 November 2015 08: 00 New
    +1
    Will this MARASM, from the USA and its minions, ever end? fool Уже никаких нервов не хватает всё это "переваривать"... am
  34. Begemot
    Begemot 26 November 2015 08: 12 New
    +1
    called for "calm and de-escalation", as well as for "diplomacy"
    We have already sent our diplomats to the place of tragedy, this is C-400.
    Cynical, arrogant and unprincipled - these are the mildest characteristics of NATO.
  35. Awaz
    Awaz 26 November 2015 08: 23 New
    +1
    Какими то законными методами России наказать Турцию не удастся . ЩА вся еврошушера будет на их стороне и даже ООН . Всякие высказывания об игнорировании турецких товаров тоже дурацкая тема, хотя я думаю хорошая тема это потрясти турецких "предпринимателей" в России и их азерских друзей. Я думаю что власти РФ все понимают и сделав дежурные заявления , должны заняться поиском реальных способов наказания бандитов в том числе турецкие власти . Многие моменты почему то были упущены и не сделаны с первых дней нахождения наших самолетов на территории Сирии. Например надо бы все же пополнить запас МиГов для сирийских ВВС и пресекать все попытки проникновения НАТОвских самолетов с территории ТУрции. Они все равно уже открыто воюют с Сирией и ответка от Сирии это нормальное явления по защите своих границ. Российским самолетам конечно не желательно непосредственно участвовать в этих событиях но поддерживать ВВС Сирии нужно максимально . Если бы все это было сделано изначально , того что сейчас произошло не случилось бы. ХОтя это урок и опыт, жаль что на крови.
    And so, we must stop complaining and continue the work we have begun and bring it to victory. Catch a few banderlogs and then around the world show how they will hand over their Turkish patrons.
    1. yastr
      yastr 26 November 2015 15: 35 New
      0
      An operation conducted by an unknown DRG at the airport where these FKIs would be would be nice. Well, for example, with the undermining of the entire fleet ..
  36. ivan bogomolov
    ivan bogomolov 26 November 2015 08: 29 New
    0
    The analysis of these politicians at the level of a children's clinic is not very far-sighted ..... negative
  37. Eustace
    Eustace 26 November 2015 08: 37 New
    +3
    Лишний раз убеждаюсь, что друзей у России нет, только союзники на некоторых этапах достижения стратегических целей. Никому не нравится дополнительный игрок на международной арене, имеющий свою точку зрения на развитие событий. А наши руководители в правительстве из Турции-члена блока НАТО, создали образ дружественного государства. "Южный поток" собрались строить за свои деньги, громадные скидки на газ предоставили, безвизовый въезд организовали, АЭС с непонятной окупаемостью собрались строить, допустили турецкие компании на строительный рынок. Лучше бы деньги на развитие регионов своей страны направили да Крым подняли бы.
    1. oracul
      oracul 26 November 2015 09: 31 New
      0
      Увы! Такова некоторые черты нашей русской ментальности: доверчивость,основанная на наивности и простоте, которая, как известно, хуже воровства, и общеизвестная отходчивость, которой пользуются все кому не лень. Правда, со временем кое-что меняется. И та же ситуация с "Турецким потоком" не столь однозначна.Начиналось все громко и шумно, но ведь надо признать, что и мы не особо спешили с ним. Сейчас появился "Северный поток-2", скорее как альтернатива. Однако есть и Китай, куда надо построить газопровод. А это дело не одного года. И с АЭС мы не завязли столь глубоко, как это кажется на вскидку. Похоже на игры престолов.
      1. anip
        anip 26 November 2015 10: 19 New
        +3
        Quote: oracul
        Alas! These are some features of our Russian mentality: credulity based on naivety and simplicity, which, as you know, is worse than theft, and well-known perseverance, which is used by all and sundry.

        Вот только не надо сваливать на русскую ментальность. Банальное бездарное управление страной, доведение её до уровня "банановой" республики, жажда долларов и привели к лихорадочным поискам тех, кто бы купил газ и нефть чуть-ли не на любых условиях.
        1. andrew42
          andrew42 26 November 2015 15: 37 New
          0
          Not only. World politics are not played by you. No matter how talented the leadership of Russia is, on the other hand is insidious, sophisticated. intellectually developed and decency-free enemy. This must also be understood. You can’t win the war, and so that they don’t get the balls themselves. This does not happen.
  38. Horn
    Horn 26 November 2015 08: 42 New
    +2
    Florida Republican Senator Marco Rubio, known for his habit of political rudeness, again called Vladimir Putin a “gangster” and advised the White House to give the Russians a “hawkish” answer. The United States should give such a response to Moscow in any manifestation of “aggression” against Turkey.
    The very possibility of such an American response could force Moscow to correlate probable "costs and benefits." After all, Putin is “a player in the field of geopolitics,” who makes decisions by comparing the minuses and advantages, according to Rubio.
    Therefore, the Kremlin must learn that Washington is ready to fight for the defense of Turkey, a NATO partner.
    Realizing that America and NATO are ready for anything, Putin will not risk "checking the alliance for strength." He understands: in such a confrontation, he will “lose”, summed up Rubio

    - Хорошо тарахтеть на любую тему, когда твои слова - лай пса из подворотни, а не позиция государства. Посмотрел бы я на готовность ПРЕЗИДЕНТА Рубио "впрячься" за турков, подвергая граждан США опасности ядрёной бомбардировки.
  39. smertfashistam
    smertfashistam 26 November 2015 08: 54 New
    0
    hunting.............................
  40. MAXUZZZ
    MAXUZZZ 26 November 2015 08: 58 New
    +2
    Bullshit of pure water, how could the wreckage of a plane get into Turkey if the plane crashed almost whole? No, well, maybe of course the broads brought some pieces on donkeys for a report. It’s not a reason to give the black box to them; it contains all the flight information and the exact answer to the question of violating the border.
  41. olimpiada15
    olimpiada15 26 November 2015 09: 10 New
    +4
    Quote: ia-ai00
    Will this MARASM, from the USA and its minions, ever end? fool Уже никаких нервов не хватает всё это "переваривать"... am

    This insanity will not end until we give up our energy resources and other strategic raw materials for green waste paper. Stop ravaging the country. Russia is a country with a harsh climate, but for life in the country God gave energy to compensate for the natural lack of heat. What is going on now? We spend energy to extract the wealth of the country from the bowels of the country, and then we give them away for paper coupons called dollars. And most importantly, no one wants to understand this. What is a dollar? The scheme is approximately the following. 10 people came to the grocery store, each with 1000 rubles and goods in the store for 10 thousand rubles. And then the type with dollars comes in, they give him half the goods., And ten people. they buy the remaining goods, each takes half as much (there is no more goods), and gives his thousand rubles (prices have risen). That's about how the dollar works in the country's economy. Of course, other economies sell part of the dollars, but certainly not the state’s population — this country spends twice as much (no one knows how much they print dollars) than it produces. Why the United States does not save up debt? No one asks from them, here they are for saving. An interesting point is why in the summer half of Russia's budget was shoved into American papers. Yes, because the Central Bank knows that the rubles will be depreciated, well, the population is understandable, they can take half rations away, stating that inflation is 4%, and the budget must be somehow implemented, again, pay your favorite salary. Here is such a branch of MMM on a global scale, and those who are involved in this scam become rich, who do not give a damn about the country and its people.
    And until the people understand, unite to protect themselves from endless robbery, everything will be so.
    1. anip
      anip 26 November 2015 10: 22 New
      +3
      Quote: olimpiada15
      And until the people understand, unite to protect themselves from endless robbery, everything will be so.

      I won’t understand for a long time, because such 90% are those who make a rating to the guarantor.
  42. Thompson
    Thompson 26 November 2015 09: 17 New
    +2
    By the way, it seems that one Shtatovsky journalist wrote that of the presidential candidates militant against Russia, except for the fool McCain, not one served in the army and have no idea about service, let alone war !!!
    rimbo steers
  43. Prince Bulls
    Prince Bulls 26 November 2015 09: 19 New
    0
    Listen to these shit, they’re so sick of it, I personally already feel disgust, Russia needs to be pecked for any reason, and if you can’t peck, you can even spit poisonous saliva in our direction. I’m a mountain for our president, but for how long he will endure it, really, we can’t even answer Americans symmetrically. sad It's time to probably return to Cuba.
  44. shershen
    shershen 26 November 2015 09: 35 New
    +1
    "Сенатор-республиканец от Флориды Марко Рубио, известный своей привычкой к политической грубости, снова обозвал Владимира Путина «бандитом» и посоветовал Белому дому дать русским «петушиный» ответ. Такой ответ США должны давать Москве при любом проявлении «агрессии» против Турции."
  45. dojjdik
    dojjdik 26 November 2015 09: 53 New
    0
    евреи подставили эрдогана-тоже неплохо теперь и у Сирийской артилерии и у наших летчиков развязанны руки; сейчас надо полностью перекрывать Сирийско-турецкую границу; ну вот и один из лицемеров показал свое "личико"-теперь уж знают все кто орудует в Идлибе и кто его захватил-но главный лицемер израиль пока еще прячится за маску некоего "игила" но ниче и с беня свой оскал покажет
  46. kingoff
    kingoff 26 November 2015 10: 07 New
    -3
    Quote: 79807420129
    Erdogan, in general, a coward and cattle, did della and hid under the skirt of NATO’s mother and now he’s yelling from there. In the courtyard of my childhood, if such a kid did that, he would not even have been beaten, he was just an outcast, and the mattress was in his eternal repertoire.


    Erdogan was just not a coward, knocked down and said: he warned and knocked down, did not come up with green people, some kind of polite people and other dregs.
    1. Corsair
      Corsair 26 November 2015 10: 25 New
      +2
      Quote: kingoff
      Erdogan was just not a coward, knocked down and said: he warned and knocked down, did not come up with green people, some kind of polite people and other dregs.

      wassat well yes the hero of course
      stated:
      1. they say a plane flew to us and we shot it down,
      2. did not know what kind of aircraft it was.
      3. warned 10 times in 5-10 minutes (who? When? - you knew who it was!).
      4. ran to NATO for advice and defense.
      5. not associated with GDP.
      6. Relatives russkie offend ...
      The bomber is empty and the fighter - speed and ability to work through the air are not comparable.
      Does nothing bother you?
      1. Insurgent LC
        Insurgent LC 26 November 2015 22: 10 New
        0
        An ambush for drying has long been planned.
        Two Boeing E-3 Sentry AWACS aircraft took off on November 24. One, assigned to the US Air Force from a base in Greece, the second, belonging to the Saudi Air Force, from the Riyadh air base. They monitored and selected a victim using the SU-24 radar tracking system to find out in what mode it was flying - in search of a target, in a state of capture, tracking, or generating data for firing.

        Having found out that our dryer flies at rest, and chose it as a victim, transmitting information to the Turkish F-16. But even this information would not be enough for an accurate strike with the F-16, it was provided by the US Patriot ground-based air defense systems deployed in Turkey and the MENTOR radio intelligence satellites, it is possible that the Geosat spacecraft also participated in the satellite constellation.

        Where are such conclusions from? Leonkov says that the F-16 flight path indicates a high-precision approach to the target using the triangulation method: US-Saudi pair E-3A plus Patriot air defense radar plus geostationary RER MENTOR satellites and, possibly, Geosat spacecraft.

        At the same time, the E-3 gave directions where our aircraft was in the air, determined its level, speed, weapon control status, Patriot air defense radar, together with the MENTOR electronic reconnaissance satellite, provided telemetry of the Su-24's movement relative to the surface - that is, it gave an accurate predicted sector of our appearance aircraft relative to the highlands.

        After exact instructions, one of the Turkish F-16s almost point-blank (!) Launched the AIM-9X Sidewinder air-to-air missile into the rear hemisphere of the Russian bomber, and the second worked in the target illumination mode.

        But even having absolutely accurate target data, the Turks blundered: they were defeated 2 minutes late, when the Su-24 had already left the site of the disputed 68-kilometer territory in northern Syria (it took him 1,5 minutes maximum to fly it). The F-16 command to kill was not canceled, so the missiles were launched a little further than the calculated point.
  47. Epifan
    Epifan 26 November 2015 10: 28 New
    +4
    The shortest joke?
    "Вашингтон готов воевать ради защиты Турции"
    It will crap, but others will have to fight if that.
  48. kingoff
    kingoff 26 November 2015 10: 43 New
    -6
    Quote: Corsair

    The bomber is empty and the fighter - speed and ability to work through the air are not comparable.
    Does nothing bother you?


    Perhaps the bomber scattered gifts? When the Pakistani F-16s shot down Soviet planes in Afghanistan, flew over the ribbon - get a rocket and did an ambush specially, didn’t you embarrass the poor hero Rutsky in SU-25 twice? .
    A TU-22 shot down in Georgia? Are aviation generals used to stepping on the same rake? Where's the super-duper EW? Here, many couch generals made a career on Donald Cook with delirium, and when you need to protect your scorer, there is no EW. Russian folk tales.
    1. cumastra1
      cumastra1 26 November 2015 12: 59 New
      0
      No need to jerk. What is necessary, then dumped. And where it is necessary. And an ambush blow is difficult to parry, almost impossible. But in response to organize an ambush - a holy cause. Otherwise, they will cease to respect.
  49. Kim Klimov
    Kim Klimov 26 November 2015 10: 52 New
    0
    The croaking of thug Washington camarilla from a rotten Washington swamp.
  50. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 26 November 2015 11: 11 New
    +3
    Judging by the new cartoons, Charlie Hebdo again has an abundance of journalists.