Another round of anti-Russian hysteria

Erdogan said that elements of the fuselage of the downed Russian Su-24 bomber fell on Turkish territory. There were also voices from across the ocean: potential US presidential candidates, as if on cue, rushed to denigrate Russia, Putin and extol Erdogan. Lindsay Graham called the destruction of the Su-24 "a good thing" and noted that Turkey "clicked Russia on the nose," and Marco Rubio once again called Putin V. a "gangster" and offered the White House to take a "hawk" response to any Russian aggression "against Turkey.

Some elements of the fuselage of the Russian Su-24M shot down by Turkey fell on Turkish territory, Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan said in Istanbul, reports TASS.

Here is Erdogan’s short story about the November 24 2015 incident: “Yesterday, two unidentified aircraft violated our airspace. Within five minutes they received ten warnings. After that, one of them returned to Syria, and the other continued to break. After that, our F-16 opened fire and shot him down. Later it turned out that the plane belonged to the Russian Federation. Some parts of it fell on Turkish territory and wounded two citizens. ”

Earlier, a statement at the NATO level followed. From the secretary general himself. We bring it on the original source - English language website North Atlantic Alliance.

After Ankara "informed the Allies" about the downed Russian military plane that violated Turkish airspace, the Secretary General expressed his concerns about the consequences of the military actions of Russia "within the borders of NATO."

According to Jens Stoltenberg, who spoke on the results of the emergency meeting of the Council of the North Atlantic Alliance in Brussels, it is necessary to take measures and avoid similar incidents in the future.

After this standard clerical phrase, Jens Stoltenberg suddenly declared: "As we have repeatedly made it clear, we are in solidarity with Turkey and support the territorial integrity of Turkey as our NATO ally."

The Secretary General noted that the alliance will continue to “very carefully” follow the developments on NATO’s southeastern borders.

Further, Stoltenberg said that he was waiting for “further contacts” between Ankara and Moscow and called for “calm and de-escalation”, as well as “diplomacy”.

After that, the journalists asked him questions.

A CNN reporter cited "Russian claims" that the Su-24 was shot down over Syria and "never entered Turkish territory." The journalist asked the NATO Secretary General: “Are you sure that he was indeed shot down in Turkish airspace, and that Turkish airspace was indeed violated?”

The Secretary General replied that this was the "Allied Assessment." He said that the alliance “during the day” received “from several allies” information that is fully consistent with the information provided earlier by Turkey. “Thus,” he concluded, “information from other allies is consistent with what we received from Turkey.”

A reporter for the Wall Street Journal asked the general secretary about the possibility of creating an allied coalition in Syria along with Russia. "Or is the tactic too different?" But maybe the goals are too different? ”He asked, not without irony.

The NATO Secretary General has firmly declared that “the“ IG ”should be the common enemy. Personally, Stoltenberg would “welcome” all efforts to combat IS. And then he said that most of the Russian strikes in Syria were directed to areas where there was no IG.

A spokesman for Reuters asked about the contacts of NATO with the Russians or the planning of such contacts in connection with the Turkish incident.

Stoltenberg said that there were already direct contacts between Ankara and Moscow, but there was no contact between NATO and Russia. The Alliance is in contact with Ankara, which directly discussed the issue with the Russian authorities.

The Turkish incident added fuel to the fire of anti-Russian hysteria in the United States.

Jolly Marco Rubio answers questions. Fox News Screenshot

On air Fox News potential US presidential candidates (Republicans) commented on the possible military escalation between Russia and Turkey. The comments were related to the Russian bomber Su-24 shot down by a Turkish missile.

Florida Republican Senator Marco Rubio, known for his habit of political rudeness, again called Vladimir Putin a “gangster” and advised the White House to give the Russians a “hawkish” answer. The United States should give such a response to Moscow in any manifestation of “aggression” against Turkey.

The very possibility of such an American response could force Moscow to correlate probable "costs and benefits." After all, Putin is “a player in the field of geopolitics,” who makes decisions by comparing the minuses and advantages, according to Rubio.

Therefore, the Kremlin must learn that Washington is ready to fight for the defense of Turkey, a NATO partner.

Realizing that America and NATO are ready for anything, Putin will not risk "checking the alliance for strength." He understands: in such a confrontation, he “loses”, summed up Rubio.

Senator Lindsay Graham, who also spoke on the TV channel, called the destruction of the Su-24 "a good thing," and noted that Turkey deftly "clicked Russia on the nose."

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Politicians like Rubio and Graham only have to announce donations from the personal funds of millions of dollars to the needs of the Islamic State. And to President Obama and Secretary of State Kerry to declare Islamist terrorists builders of democracy in Syria and Iraq and send them tons of five hundred weapons and cartridges. Senator John McCain, this "friend of the Russian people" and a lover of being photographed with bearded men on the Turkish-Syrian border, would be incredibly happy.

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Comments

[Dmitry_24rus]

Information war in action, ce la vie.

[Passer]

Yeah, one with passports and a bus sheathing around Europe rode, will this one with the wreckage of an airplane ride?

[79807420129]

Erdogan, in general, a coward and cattle, did della and hid under the skirt of NATO’s mother and now he’s yelling from there. In the courtyard of my childhood, if such a kid did that, he would not even have been beaten, he was just an outcast, and the mattress was in his eternal repertoire.

[theadenter]

They are waiting for our aggression in order to present Russia as a threat to the whole world and thereby upset Putin’s plans to find new partners, allies and ideologically friendly countries.
Of course, each of us boiled blood from the news about the downing of the plane, and then also the helicopter. This is a serious blow to our patience and complacency.
But if we peck at this provocation - to be in trouble. The end of many years of efforts to make our country a peaceful and attractive state, and Putin as a person of politics (not war), will come.

[mad]

Quote: theadenter

They are waiting for our aggression in order to present Russia as a threat to the whole world and thereby upset Putin’s plans to find new partners, allies and ideologically friendly countries.
...
The end of many years of efforts to make our country a peaceful and attractive state, and Putin as a person of politics (not war), will come.

This is a liberal mantra, no matter how much you repeat it - you will not add friends and allies. It has long been known that we have only two allies, the rest are "partners". And they will quickly appreciate the opportunity, smiling in the eyes, to hit in the back and wipe their feet on Russia!

[theadenter]

Not everything is achieved by fighting. You also need to be a "positive side" that will be supported in the world. Sooner or later, support would have appeared (and it has appeared recently, which the West did not like). If we fail now, the world will regard us as a "negative side".

I do not belong to those liberals who seek to destroy our country. I simply share with them (normal liberals) some views of the world.

[Mahmut]

Erdogan said fuselage elements of a downed Russian Su-24 bomber fell on Turkish territory

And the entire fuselage was weakly dragged across the border.

[_Vladislav_]

Realizing that America and NATO are ready for anything, Putin will not risk "checking the alliance for strength." He understands: in such a confrontation, he “loses”, summed up Rubio.

I think the Alliance itself decided to test its strength. I checked and concluded - that he (the alliance), although strong and not really.

Realizing that America and NATO are ready for anything, Putin will not risk

America itself is far from ready for everything and not always. NATO especially, especially European NATO. They didn’t live normally, they collected Mercedes Volkswagen, played football, ate pasta, listened to music ..... and here you have to die for Turkey.

Better Turkey die for herself, what, Merkel thought.
She (Merkel) has yet to chase the comers with expressive rags throughout the EU.

[Canep]

About the fuselage, it was intended for the internal public. But I'll start from the beginning.
I thought a couple of days here and I had this version of events:

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The United States and Turkey decided to squeeze Russia out of Syria. How to do it? it is necessary that the Russian plane was shot down on the territory of Turkey, to blow up the village, and to report: - "Russia is the aggressor. The SU-24 VKS bombed the territory of Turkey, as a result of which civilians were injured, here are the ruins, here are the victims, here is the plane on the territory Turkey ". Where to do it? where Russian pilots approaching for landing always cut the corner. We found an experienced pilot, a Hero with extensive experience, who will accurately fulfill the task. And he had the most optimistic prospects, orders, glory, interviews, etc.
But the misfortune, the pilot probably wasn’t the local one, decided to carefully prepare, but the maps were given to him that were intended by the politicians for raising morale, or something else, but the border on the maps was not internationally recognized, but propaganda, that is, since I would like to Anker. The fact is that Turkey has a territorial dispute with Syria over these territories.
The CIA instructed the local Basmachis to kill the pilots so that they were silent, because Russia was to assign to them all responsibility for their departure from Syria, and the recorders destroyed it.
Then they began to wait for the victim, and they waited, one plane flew into Turkey, they immediately urinate him without any warning, the pilot reports to the top, they say the plane crashed in Turkey, the village is undermining. The prime minister makes a corresponding statement, and convenes an emergency meeting of NATO on the fact of Russian aggression against Turkey, as planned, Russia should be declared an aggressor, close the Bosphorus and Gibraltar to the aggressor, force Iraq to close airspace, that is, declare a blockade of the Russian air forces in Turkey.
While the top of NATO was gathering, it turned out that something had gone wrong, the plane crashed not in the gorge where the Basmachi and the press accidentally appeared there, but in the neighboring gorge in Syria. And this was not in the script. Hence the complete confusion, the speakers, and the idiotic and contradictory statements of the State Department, whether Turkey has the right to self-defense, and at the same time, the plane was shot down over Syrian territory. Turkish Prime Minister talks ahead about aggression, and the next day about condolences. Porridge is complete, and then it dawned on the Allies that they forgot to inform about this provocation. And what if something goes wrong then Europe’s countries will fall first of all under the blow of Russian vigorous missiles.

[nemets]

there were not enough Turkmen

[mikh-korsakov]

I quote: You also need to be a "positive side" that will be supported in the world. Sooner or later, support would have appeared (and it has appeared recently, which the West did not like). Please, examples of the appearance of support. The statements of retired politicians do not count, as well as from the frightened Hollande. his brains were quickly fixed. It is not necessary to look for allies - experience shows - they will betray. Again these words "sooner or later", these words do not mean anything - sooner or later - they mean never. remember "sooner or later" the Ukrainian people will see their light. NEVER.

[theadenter]

Please, examples of the emergence of support. Statements of retired politicians do not count

The words of support for ordinary citizens are much more significant. Than statements of political ... ducks, represented by governments (operating).

[jjj]

Quote: Mahmut

And the entire fuselage was weakly dragged across the border.

So they are afraid to drive by car - the Russians will bomb, and carry Sisyphus on their hands in the mountains

[anip]

Quote: theadenter

The words of support for ordinary citizens are much more significant. Than statements of political ... ducks, represented by governments (operating).

Come on. ordinary citizens support, and if they get to what, and their authorities poke on, so all the support wherever it goes.

[alexej123]

The opinion of ordinary citizens is formed mainly by the media. Even in the era of openness and the Internet, one cannot speak of "freedom of speech" in the Western media. Therefore, the "opinion of ordinary citizens" "is not so simple."

[anip]

Quote: mikh-korsakov

Again these words "sooner or later", these words mean nothing - sooner or later - they mean never. remember "sooner or later" the Ukrainian people will see their light. NEVER.

Absolutely. Never.

[excomandante]

The weak, the cowardly and the unrequited are not considered the "positive side", they spit on them and do not stand on ceremony with them. If we "menacingly" turn down, and in the end we triple, our planes will be shot down even by lousy hohlyas and spratas.

[15ghost10]

I have a question like this. These are the American .... ki pour mud on the president of Russia, then pour mud on the whole country. And why are our TV channels, including RT, which operates in Europe and the USA, cannot show at least the truth about the events of September 11.09.01, XNUMX?
I think that our services have a lot of interesting things about these events. That is why we lose because we do not know how to wage an information war. It is time not to make excuses to these cattle, but to conduct an offensive, albeit in the information field.

[_Voislav_]

Uncle Vova has other inform methods. war, it’s like at the G20 summit showed how ISIS carries oil barrels from Syria and who protects this business, and after that pay attention to how our barrels began to be hrenched to the right and to the left, does someone scream from Western partners about this? A chess player, he is still that GDP !!

[Shark Lover]

But it seems to me that they are already responding, smearing. It seems that our President has smoothly transferred everything to a different channel. They no longer attack the mass media, but they have to answer, because no one says what the GDP says on political platforms. Then there is hysteria in the media. Like, he kicked a mongrel, kissed and put on the same plate in the form of a bark. (Forgive me dogs for such a comparison)

[nemets]

no need to insult the striped dogs do not deserve such respect - soon offensive insult will be if they call him an American))

[Down House]

Quote: theadenter

the world will consider us the "negative side".

What the hell is "peace" ?! Europa ?!
This is not the whole world - the rest of the world can not stand Europe!

[navigator]

Quote: theadenter

Not everything is achieved by fighting. You also need to be a "positive side" that will be supported in the world. Sooner or later support would have appeared (it has appeared recently, which the West did not like). If we fail now, the world will consider us a “negative side.” I am not one of those liberals who seek to destroy our country. I just share with them (normal liberals) some views on the world.

We will never be a "positive side" for them, which will be supported in the world sooner or later. "Learn history. And treat liberals if you" share some views of the world. "

[theadenter]

And treat liberals if you "share some views of the world"

I share some views and other isms and political views.

History tends to change. If the US empire gives a crack, the fragments will need to go somewhere. Search for military assistance and economic ties from someone. And this choice may not fall on Russia because it showed itself, in their eyes, as an aggressor.

[navigator]

Quote: theadenter

History tends to change. If the US empire gives a crack, the fragments will need to go somewhere. Search for military assistance and economic ties from someone. And this choice may not fall on Russia because it showed itself, in their eyes, as an aggressor.

Does Russia need these shards of Pin.dostan? Sadness, "the choice may not fall."

[Ribwort]

Quote: mad

This is a liberal mantra, no matter how many times you repeat it, friends and allies will not be added.

I agree.
Quote: "Therefore, the Kremlin must learn that Washington is ready to fight to protect Turkey - a NATO partner."
And such a statement became possible only because instead of a tough answer, our politicians were sitting "crumpled up" And they would have answered, you look and would have been careful not to declare such a thing ...

[Down House]

Quote: Ribwort

And such a statement was made possible only because

It became possible only because the official Washington is not responsible for the statements of all kinds of "senators" and "candidates" - these are barking mongrels and nothing more.

[Down House]

Quote: mad

This is a liberal mantra, no matter how many times you repeat it, friends and allies will not be added.

I completely agree with you, the Western "community" has always spit on the opinion of the "partners" - it itself invented this "opinion" to fool their "gullible partners"!

[kocclissi]

Smile, Chef loves idiots!

[ddd1975]

You are deeply mistaken, they do not expect aggression from us. They always gave a shit about us. They clearly do their dirty work - they create a precedent, and "pocket" media convey it in the right context. And they do it perfectly. I have many acquaintances abroad, they are not stupid and believe me, patriots, but after a flurry of news from hundreds of television and radio channels, even the most ardent patriots' worldview begins to change. And here the most interesting thing, then they put our companionship in the fact of guilt, I quote - "if you had nothing to do with you and you would be bent so hard, you would answer 100% no less harshly and no one would blame you for this, and since you cry, make excuses and chew snot and this proves - that you are to blame for everything. " Therefore, no matter how we react, we remain extreme, and if we do not respond harshly, they see our weakness in this and each mongrel tries to bark louder. In this world, only strength is respected, you and I are respected for the fact that they kicked our ass - the Napoleonic and the Fascists - are respected and feared. Took the tug, do something ...

[Altona]

Quote: ddd1975

You are deeply mistaken, they do not expect aggression from us. They always gave a shit about us. They clearly do their dirty work - they create a precedent, and the "pocket" media convey it in the right context.

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Well, yes, bring professional operators with powerful equipment to the scene of the alleged attack and record the shootdown. With my smartphone I could not photograph a helicopter within line of sight, flying relatively low (it turned out to be some kind of fruit fly), but this one was probably photographed using a "cannon" telescope with a long focal length the entire moment of attack and fall, and the fuselage is clearly visible .. The excellent media preparation is clearly visible ...

[TVM - 75]

It is clear that the decision to bring down the plane was made in advance and were being prepared for the implementation of this plan. The reason for this act is simple - Russia began to interfere with the joint business of the IG and Turkey. It can be clearly seen that they got tired that they did so, and then they even fled to NATO with a fright.

[anip]

Quote: ddd1975

you and I are respected for having kicked the ass - Napoleon and Fascists

Would respect, would not bring down.

[ANTI.KORR.]

Quote: anip

Would respect, would not bring down.

I absolutely agree.
I will add that in the days of the USSR such an incident was simply not possible!

[nemets]

What are you, and the South Korean board ?!

[Xzistant]

Dear,

unfortunately I can’t share your point of view that we must respond by force. Yes, I agree that mongrels bark at us and try to pour mud, but DOGS Bark, AND THE CARAVAN IS GOING !!!
How can you not understand that if Russia responds by force, this will be the beginning of the 3rd and LAST World War!
Not only the S.Sh.A.shniks need a war (in order to reset the state debt), but Russia would not be hurt by a shake-up, but only our Darkest One really calculates the options for the development of events and realizes that they will have to fight to the last drop of blood and not there will be no winners or losers. Remember the scene in the comedy club - "Crumbs ALL IN THE SOUP !!!"
In any section of hand-to-hand combat, the first lesson begins with the words - the ability to fight is an art, and the ability to avoid a fight is the highest art!
So let's not go back to the past and shout - "Putin has leaked everyone," NO he is just doing what he should!

[Down House]

Quote: Xzistant

How can you not understand that if Russia responds by force, this will be the beginning of the 3rd and LAST World War!

Come on, no one in the West wants to die for the Turks - they will merge, as always, merge "sixes" in such cases.
The only question is whether we should spend money on the destruction of Turkey - I think that measures of economic influence will be more than enough.

[7erka]

The blood was boiling straight, and I read the comment, the brains turned on and immediately eased. The real test for lice. We grieve but tolerate. Lost the battle but won the war.

[222222]

theadenter RU Today .. "to frustrate all Putin's plans to find new partners, allies and ideologically friendly countries ..."
... off-topic ... but not ... less important event that passed undeservedly quietly

The Presidential Center of Boris Yeltsin was opened in Yekaterinburg on November 25. The President of the Russian Federation, Vladimir Putin and the Prime Ministers of the Russian Federation, DA Medvedev, and the wife of the first President of the Russian Federation, BN Yeltsin, spoke at the opening
.... speeches on the site ...
http://kremlin.ru/events/president/news/50784

[anip]

Quote: 222222

The Presidential Center of Boris Yeltsin was opened in Yekaterinburg on November 25. The President of the Russian Federation, Vladimir Putin and the Prime Ministers of the Russian Federation, DA Medvedev, and the wife of the first President of the Russian Federation, BN Yeltsin, spoke at the opening

Useless. Before hoo-Putriots and after that nothing comes.

[Ribwort]

Quote: 222222

The Presidential Center of Boris Yeltsin was opened in Yekaterinburg on November 25

Boris Yeltsin Center, a library of his own name, Chubais, Gaidar, Nemtsov ... How much can the people of Russia be humiliated by praising these ...?
Damn, censorship is not allowed. All the same, "you can't throw out words from a song" and what epithets these "heroes" deserve anyway, people know.

[anip]

Quote: theadenter

They are waiting for our aggression in order to present Russia as a threat to the whole world and thereby upset Putin’s plans to find new partners, allies and ideologically friendly countries.

How long can you carry on nonsense about some "partners"? There are none. NO. When will the Hooray-Putriots understand this? It seems that only when the guarantor himself understands this, because it is not the first time for the Ura-Putriots to rush after the changeability of their idol.
When, finally, it comes to Putin that the only ally of Russia is the people that he mercilessly plunders.

[Down House]

Quote: anip

it will come to Putin that the only ally of Russia is the people that he mercilessly plunders.

Who strips where and where, what are you talking about ?!
At least you should familiarize yourself with the basic economic indicators of our country before saying this!

[Resistant]

So they already represent us as a threat and aggressor. The main thing is that there are still no examples of Russian aggression. It doesn’t matter, we are the aggressor, and that’s it.

[Konstantin Yu]

Here, here ... and because of our love for the world, we need to continue to wet the ISIS dogs ..

[PSih2097]

Quote: theadenter

They are waiting for our aggression in order to present Russia as a threat to the whole world and thereby upset Putin’s plans to find new partners, allies and ideologically friendly countries.

in Ukraine failed, they are trying to do here.

[Ivan the Terrible]

Enough already, to be good guys!

[Ivan the Terrible]

Enough already, to be good guys!

[3axap82]

Let's give them another plane? And you to Turkey as a goodwill ambassador.
The same dull whining as about Ukraine ... do not succumb to provocations. And now in the Crimea they cut light.

[theadenter]

You still do not understand what I was trying to say?
The Turks must be repaid, in full. But not poking at it openly with a stick, but with more finely thought out actions.
If Turkey suffers in such a way that the trace from Russia will not be visible - wouldn't it be better? Or we definitely need to show the world a baton by bombing the border infrastructure inside Turkey.
The reaction is much tougher. S-400 supplies and a missile cruiser near the border with Turkey are certainly not a slap in the face, but a development of events that is very dangerous for the entire coalition.

[c3r]

Of course, I am against war, but history shows that peace-loving states suffer very much from this quality of their own. Turkey must be crushed, but not by military methods, but by economic methods. Although from these shit ... you can expect everything, even provocations from the Bosphorus and the Dardanelles

[Sirocco]

Quote: 79807420129

.In the courtyard of my childhood, if such a kid did so, he would not even have been beaten, he was simply an outcast,

In our childhood, I was so shy, she also ruffled out of the underwear, and ran with tears (I did not touch my finger) to the older boys, and complained. So an outcast from childhood, in his behavior, reminded me of Erdogan, who imagines himself a sultan, if you imagine yourself as such, then act like a sultan (man).

[3axap82]

The analogy is wrong. The kid came up and hit me from behind, but didn’t run away and said that he was defending himself ... the other kid turned around and said that he wasn’t talking to the first one again, he didn’t beat.

[cniza]

Quote: 79807420129

Erdogan, in general, a coward and cattle, did della and hid under the skirt of NATO’s mother and now he’s yelling from there. In the courtyard of my childhood, if such a kid did that, he would not even have been beaten, he was just an outcast, and the mattress was in his eternal repertoire.

He is a terrorist and his party is nothing more than "Muslim brothers", which is prohibited in our country. The trial awaits him.

[volot-voin]

Quote: cniza

He is a terrorist and his party is nothing more than "Muslim brothers", which is prohibited in our country. The trial awaits him.

If he survives the trial, the owners of the hotel in Antalya may well crucify him. , for example during the next color revolution.

that Turkey “snapped her nose”,

Turkey has heavily pocketed itself, greatly undermining its economy by confrontation with the Russian Federation.

[anip]

Quote: volot-voin

Turkey has heavily pocketed itself, greatly undermining its economy by confrontation with the Russian Federation.

C'mon, everything has already collapsed right there.

[volot-voin]

Quote: anip

C'mon, everything has already collapsed right there.

Of course, everything did not collapse, but it certainly did not get better.

[222222]

cniza RU Today, 08:04 ↑ "He is a terrorist and his party is nothing more than" Muslim brothers ", which is prohibited in our country. He will be on trial."
1 .. the policy of Turkey is brought into action by Ahmet Davutoglu, a Turkish statesman and politician. The leader of the ruling Justice and Development Party since August 21, 2014. Turkish Prime Minister since August 28, 2014.
... received a master's degree in Public Administration and a doctorate in Political Science and International Relations .....
.. !!!! .. November 24, 2015 he personally ordered to bring down the SU-24 bomber of the Russian aviation group in Syria, which participated in the operation against ISIS. (As it is written on Wikipedia ..https: //ru.wikipedia.org/wiki /% D0% 94% D0% B0% D0% B2% D1% 83% D1% 82% D0% BE% D0
%B3%D0%BB%D1%83,_%D0%90%D1%85%D0%BC%D0%B5%D1%82 )
..Satanovsky (a leading expert on that region) ... close to his words ..: "Davut oglu. Being the head of the Turkish Foreign Ministry, he published the book" Strategic Depth "- published only in Turkish and Greek languages ​​.. where he directly said that the collapse The USSR gave Turkey a historical opportunity to become a new Ottoman ... Crimean Tatar by origin ... personally supervises Crimean issues .. "" ""
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfQGax6n81s
2 .. on the website of the Turkish Air Force posted a document (in English) "Vision 2035 .. Regional leader, continental power .. ". (“ Vision 2035 ”Regional Leader, Continental Power")

http://www.hvkk.tsk.tr/dokuman/En/vision2035.pdf

[excomandante]

Satanovsky E.Ya., as always, logically and convincingly explained that it is impossible to behave with a frenzied dog in a European manner diplomatically and tolerantly - he will not understand and become more impudent.

[nika407]

Erdagon wriggles, like in a frying pan. NATO's response is slurred. He fought for his pocket and ultimately harmed his country. He angered the Russian Federation and now it’s certain that all the convoys in a row will be destroyed, block the sky and it will become oh, how hot the Turkish allies are.

[3axap82]

Erdagan himself said that Turkey shot down a Russian plane, and that he considers it reasonable. Putin did not even call Turkey Turkey in a statement. He said that they were shot down by accomplices of terrorists. Who is the coward?

[Ka-52]

Campaign is generally "registration", since we have climbed into this region, we are offered to answer for the "boy", and the answer will depend on how we will be "treated".

Somehow

[Very old]

Here is a comment from China - they suggest flogging:

[theadenter]

Flog it? It’s disgusting even to touch such. The rat is for life. Rats need only poison. In our case, not by poison, but by harassing with well-planned actions. So that life does not seem to be honey.

[Lelek]

Quote: theadenter

It’s disgusting even to touch such. The rat is for life. Rats need only poison.

Of course. And we have already begun to do this:
(cry.)

[afdjhbn67]

I wonder what time is it on the Doomsday Clock ??

[guzik007]

I wonder what time is it on the Doomsday Clock ??
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recently flashed: 20 minutes.

[a housewife]

As the Jews on the Temple Mount begin to build the Temple - so without 5.

[Patriot 1]

Key phrase of the NATO Secretary General: ..... "a common enemy should be "IG". Those. I translate: this is not so, but we strive for it!

[Wild_grey_wolf]

Only they can carry nonsense on TV, without understanding anything in the world of EXPERTS. . .
American chimes.

[cniza]

Quote: Wild_Grey_Wolf

Only they can carry nonsense on TV, without understanding anything in the world of EXPERTS. . .
American chimes.

When the elections are over, they will sing differently.

[rpek32]

where are the proofs, johnny. show photos of 24ki pieces. without proofs go on foot erotic journey.

[RUSOIVAN]

without proofs go on foot erotic journey
And go with the proofs too!

[NEXUS]

Quote: Dmitry_24rus

Information war in action, ce la vie.

Why pay attention to a barking dog if then she licks her ass?

[marlin1203]

We put S-400 and "Moscow" with S-300F and wait ... The question is closed. Good hysteria.

[iouris]

War is war. It is conducted in all areas. The purpose of the war is to defeat the enemy. The enemy number one time is Russia.
The United States commands NATO, NATO protects Erdogan, Erdogan and his staff - a terrorist management agent and beneficiary. The information sphere shows: at present, cooperation with NATO and its individual members is impossible.

[Geisenberg]

Quote: Dmitry_24rus

Information war in action, ce la vie.

This is not an information war, this is an abomination.

[Denis Obukhov]

It seems that the reality even surpassed Shumilin's expectations - in Syria, in fact, "everyone" is ready to fight against Russia.
Russia, in response, is preparing, judging by reports, to increase the grouping in Syria - the S-400 divisions and 10-12 fighters.
It seems a little. However, according to the rules, about 100 people in uniform, providing his aerial work on the ground, account for one military flyer in the air. Plus, the S-400 must be guarded and defended on the ground. Thus, we are talking about increasing the group by thousands of people. Which on earth are potentially vulnerable. They will also need to be protected ...
In general, there is a place to be escalation. The knot, which was already difficult to unravel, is tightening ever tighter.

[Down House]

Quote: Dmitry_24rus

Information war in action, ce la vie.

One thing is good news - according to reports from "Russian-speaking Americans", American politicians, even in the United States, have long been trusted only by the clinical, who are a minority even in the stupid United States.

[venaya]

You read their comments, and you understand that these people live in a different, parallel world, a world of dreams. They are some kind of stoned, in a word.

[IAlex]

Nifiga, they live in their own world, I emphasize the word "their" world, which they occupied and on which I have been parasitizing for 500 years, doing whatever they want ...

[Hardy]

Quote: venaya

You read their comments, and you understand that these people live in a different, parallel world, a world of dreams. They are some kind of stoned, in a word.

Putin lives in a dream world. He is trying to interact with puppets (states), while the world has long been ruled by transnational business, and in our country too.
You can defeat this infection only by creating your own, independent economy, not based on usury. And he still believes in democracy)))) Yesterday, Yeltsin praised ...

[Siberia M 54]

By the way, yes. For Yeltsin, he has a special minus.

[venaya]

Quote: Hardy

Putin lives in a dream world. He is trying to interact with puppets (states), while the world has long been ruled by transnational business, and in our country too.

I have always believed that it is Putin himself who understands the situation best of all. He does not live in a dream world, and he should not be considered a "Kremlin dreamer", but acts on the basis of their current situation, what is called: "Politics is the art of compromises." I do not have such information as his, therefore, to judge, all the more strictly, I consider it too rash an act for myself, although I really want to criticize, which I actually do sometimes.

[Hardy]

Quote: venaya

I always thought that it was Putin himself who understood the situation best.

Any situation always has several levels of understanding. It is very difficult for a person to go beyond the framework of his idea of ​​reality. For how many millennia people have looked at the Sun and thought that it revolves around the Earth ...

Forward people can lead only one who has gone beyond the current concept of reality. And what does Putin offer? Live by the Anglo-Saxon rules, but honestly)))) That is, honestly steal?))))
Naturally, the West does not understand him and will never understand))))
It still seems to our patriots that it is such a trick not to show the enemy their true intentions to the last. And what really is Putin for justice. Justice is such our unofficial national idea)))

You can certainly wait and hope for something. But for all the years of his reign, Putin has not done anything to break the vassal system that we built in the 90s. He led Russia to such dependence on the extracted resources, which was never even under the USSR. That is, he made a good gas station. And now he also helped the West to create an enemy out of itself, which again is in the hands of traders and arms manufacturers. Yes, any of our military tactical victory is billions of dollars in their pocket. But it cannot be tactical, because business is outside of the states. Although the US itself is bombing, nothing will change.

Putin most likely sincerely wants Russia to prosper, but unfortunately is unable to offer an alternative path of development. Remember, at the beginning he called himself a manager, a manager))) Indeed, such a good manager. Only now the owners decided to optimize our "collective farm" a little. Cut salaries, cut social spending, close non-core industries ... And nothing personal, stupid business, everything to increase your profits.
And he got up in a pose)))) Well, either create your own economy or do what the Fed tells you ...

[anip]

Quote: Hardy

But for all the years of his reign, Putin has not done anything to break the vassal system that we built in the 90s. He led Russia to such dependence on the extracted resources, which was never even under the USSR.

This is yes.

Quote: Hardy

Putin most likely sincerely wants Russia to prosper

How is this consistent with the above quote?

Quote: Hardy

but unfortunately not able to offer an alternative path of development.

Well, yes, he can only run with outstretched hands, offering to buy oil and gas, pull pipes, and collapse the ruble, thereby compensating for the failure in economic policy and driving people into poverty.

[anip]

Quote: Hardy

You can defeat this infection only by creating your own, independent economy, not based on usury. And he still believes in democracy)))) Yesterday, Yeltsin praised ...

Yes, he does not believe in any democracy, he believes in money, which he strips from the people. And what did Yeltsin praise, so who pulled Putin out?

[Hardy]

Quote: anip

Yes, he does not believe in any democracy, he believes in money, which he strips from the people. And what did Yeltsin praise, so who pulled Putin out?

It depends on what democracy means.))) Of course, he knows how elections are made)))
But democracy in its present understanding is not the rule of the entire people, but the power of the "elite". The power of those with whom, according to Putin, one can and should negotiate. And perhaps he believes that careful observance of the interests of all players will allow the electorate to somehow live ...
Well, that is, he is not for justice, but for rationality)))
And then it suddenly turns out that the rules of the game can change and agreements with his big brother are worthless ...
No, well, you can see that the guy is really upset and worried. He tried very hard to be good for everyone, "it's not 37 now" ...)))

[Moore]

Well, do not expect objectivity from all these media jesters?

[izya top]

shuffle and tuff, jackals. Can't they see how narrow-minded they look?

[Finches]

There is no sense to pay attention to the statement of all kinds of American clowns released into the arena of the election circus for the sake of pseudo-democratic pretense, but Stoltenberg's bleating is indicative! He is well aware that NATO has long turned into a rotten sack of potatoes and if it hadn’t been for the Americans all the time putting props in Europe’s backside, it would have long been ordered to live long! And he does not want to check this maxim in practice for the sake of some sort of Turkish Turkey, and even against Russia!

[rotmistr60]

Lindsay Graham called the destruction of the Su-24 "a good thing" and noted that Turkey "snapped Russia on the nose"

When the American plane is finally shot down, I will, with great pleasure, call it "good deed" and "flick on the nose of the United States." At the same time, I will not have any feeling of regret, but I will have a great curiosity about the nature of American comments on this matter.

[Uncle lee]

And so that the wreckage fell on the territory of the United States and damaged a bunch of senators and congressmen!

[Al_oriso]

The most offensive thing is that we were really "clicked on the nose". All of us.
And now they are laughing.
I really hope for the return move that shuts up these neighing mouths.

[Sirocco]

Quote: Al_oriso

The most offensive thing is that we were really "clicked on the nose". All of us.
And now they are laughing.

Yes, they did not click on us, but they stepped on their causal place when they went for a big, and now they can not get up, so they squeal, only it's too late, it seems to me that in terms of information warfare they lost in this round, our media worked clearly, nothing without hiding, in the online mode, they brought the information to us. I suppose that the "partners" expected the opposite, after the presidential decree was issued on "closing" the losses among the RF military personnel. But it didn't work out as they wanted.

[a housewife]

It’s smart to click on the bear’s nose when it’s not waiting, it’s brave, yes! What will happen next - even the bear himself doesn’t know!

[asar]

Clicking on the bear’s nose ... Hmm!
It's probably like standing over a sleeping bear’s den in the dead of winter and hounding!
But for the time being, greyhound! Until the bear finally wakes up! That's when the "fun" for the snappy will begin!

Some of its units fell on Turkish territory and injured two citizens. ”

Apparently, the disease "gutted with a piece of the bus" is still contagious! There is such a "shot" in Eastern Europe, it also shakes everything that comes to hand (okay, at least put on panties, and so, it's even scary to think what the petunya would shake!)
Oh, Turks, your mother, remember at least Sinop and the Balkans or something!

[dmitrich]

Quote: venaya

You read their comments, and you understand that these people live in a different, parallel world, a world of dreams. They are some kind of stoned, in a word.

in short need a repeat of September 11!

[ImPerts]

Why so? Why are you doing this? It’s not my fault, he himself came ...

[Barboskin]

and I read it as "PROSTITUTION" . In principle, I agreed, I just thought that it was not the topic, I read it again and then it came to pass!

[jjj]

This is a great example of a play on the words of the great and mighty.

[aszzz888]

I think that the answer is not far off.
Act calmly, calmly and do not forgive!

[Sirocco]

Perhaps it has already arrived, yesterday’s video.
Something in the middle of the video, as Alla does not convincingly shout at the bar.

[ABVGDEZH]

Decline of mood among Akbarians below the plinth is not otherwise.

[kagorta]

In Afghanistan, often to bring about cooperation between the village elders, a BShU was conducted near the village. And seeing the result of the BShU, the elders abruptly began to cooperate, because they understood that the next blow would be in the village if they did not agree. And there will be no village ...

[Sergey Guriev]

Well, I really want to fight. Nishtyaki from the military-industrial complex of the SGA themselves will sprinkle in their hands. The entire policy of such hawks comes from financial interest. They do not care who anyone and how, if only to load the military-industrial complex to the very neck. They are absolutely sure that no one and nothing will get them, and Trotsky was once an annoying exception.

[iliitchitch]

I’m looking at the photo and I want to give the brow to the right in turnips, with a brick, even before the mouth opens. But because Kazel, it’s written on the forehead. And do such degenerates climb into their presidency?

[Falconmg]

When I look at these fake tight smiles, like leggings on a fence, I so want them to see a fiery rain from the sky! Not from Russian warheads, because it will cost us dearly, but from a few dozen such gifts as flew over Chelyabinsk. Maybe after that the "God-Chosen" nation sat on its ass and sat straight, and in their own country they would have something to do!

[1536]

The Turks need to be given a tough, adequate answer!

[Alexander 3]

How zadolbali their next rounds of assistance to the igil.

[Wolka]

a crow will not peck out a crow's eyes, let the poor laugh for themselves, but yesterday not a single Turkish bastard rose into the sky, although our falcons repeatedly flew on the verge of a foul along the borders of Syria and Turkey, well, so "tease the geese", diplomats have diplomacy, and the military has its own rules of the game ...

[parusnik]

Senator Lindsay Graham, who also spoke on the TV channel, called the destruction of the Su-24 "a good thing," and noted that Turkey deftly "clicked Russia on the nose.".. And others .. Have scoffed? .. Well, the one who scoffs last is scoffing ... Americans .. read Belkin's Tale, the story "Shot", one of our pilots wrote .. AS Pushkin

[Lelek]

Quote: parusnik

And the others ... mocked?

And why are you surprised. Remember what were the reactions of the United States at the beginning of the Second World War: they were waiting for whose advantage would be and who to get more from under the Lend-Lease, they delayed the opening of the 2nd front until the last moment, the odious SS defendants were transported to their mainland. Isn't it the same thing being repeated today, only with even more cynicism? We must firmly understand that the United States and NATO will always be hostile to us, even if not in a "hot" war, but they are ENEMIES (but in a war, as in a war).

[tehnokrat]

I totally agree! Moreover, I thought: I’ll read the comments, and
I will give this analogy, with "Shot".
The answer, however, cannot be delayed for a long time, but retribution should be so even then,
how and when the enemy does not expect.
And this is best done on a cold head.

[SAM 5]

[quote] Another round of anti-Russian hysteria [/ quote
And no matter what and wherever we do, it causes another round in them. So it was, is and will be. We need less to pay attention to their πzhezh and do our business.

[press officer]

Well, after the "defense of NATO," Erdogan immediately announced that he would push tanks to that part of the border ..... Loose? Or have you lost your fear?

You read how our "non-brothers" are happy that the Turks managed to knock out ours! Insanity is just going off scale there +! The freak pastor is already waiting for "the Russian fighters guarding the dryers will also get lost"! Evil and mate are no longer enough! Maybe on the border of Turkey and the outskirts of the caliber to send? Let then Nato scream that we are such a damn not tolerant!

[B.T.V.]

Quote: press attache

The freak pastor is already waiting for "the Russian fighters guarding the dryers will also get lost"!

Today I talked to my mother (she lives in Crimea, near Alushta), because with electricity strained, poor awareness. I told her about the downed plane, about the death of the guys, about the reaction of the neighbors "friendly" to Crimea, in particular the pastor. Her answer: "daughter, all of them will be rewarded, especially the" bloody pastor ", because it is not in vain that they say:" God is not a body, he sees otkel. "

[Mowgli]

Marco Rubio ... advised the White House to give the Russians a “hawkish” answer.

Crap from a great height?
Although, apparently, the translation is inaccurate. There must be a "pigeon answer". Pigeons do better ...

[Glot]

Nothing new, the same words, the same people. Did someone expect another?
As Alexander III said a long time ago:
- Russia has only two allies, its army and navy.
These words, as they were true, are so and will be so. Yes, there are enough random travelers and enough, but we don’t have reliable allies or friends. And this must always be understood and remembered.
And the Turks ... I very much hope that they will still regret the deed.

[Darkoff]

... army, navy ... and vks!

[Glot]

DarkOFF SU  Today, 07:01 ↑


... army, navy ... and vks!

This is clear, but when Alexander said this, there was no VKS and Air Force.
The meaning of the whole phrase is true now and then, and will be true in the future.

[PSih2097]

Quote: DarkOFF

... army, navy ... and vks!

and units of special operations ...

[anip]

Quote: Glot

Russia has only two allies, its army and navy.

Yes, people should be an ally, PEOPLE. When the people will truly be an ally, when they will cease to rob them constantly, then Russia will have everything. Is this still incomprehensible?

[Glot]

Yes, people should be an ally, PEOPLE. When the people will truly be an ally, when they will cease to rob them constantly, then Russia will have everything. Is this still incomprehensible?

And who is the Army and Navy, nor the People?
Here we are talking about the situation OUTSIDE and you are kicking everything at the Kremlin ... Take off the budenovka already, it will not come in handy now.
What does the "people ally of Russia" have to do with it? Russia is the People, and the People are Russia!
And the Power ... Show at least one Power that does not use its People to one degree or another robbing it and living at the expense of it? Is there such a thing?

[a housewife]

Anip translation - a person has the best friend - he himself.

[Nymp]

I look forward to when our S-400 delivered to Syria knock a couple of Turkish cocks on the F-16!

[Doomph]

I agree. I think that ours simply decided to wait until the passions subside and the Turks again begin to fly at the border. Then they will return in response. And for some reason it seems to me that the answer will be loud.

[Bjorn]

Yes, everything is fine ... Erdogan has an overwhelming rating, he is a hero, comparable for his people only with the same heroes from igil. The West supported the ally. In general, everyone rests on their laurels. No, of course, there is a fear of otvetka, but every day it becomes less and less ...
In a word - we are waiting ...
I am sure that ours have already figured out how to stop ent euphoria.

[U-96]

Quote: Bjorn

Erdogan has a prohibitive rating

I would not say.

[Bjorn]

It's sarcasm. I just voiced his desire to break the rating of igil. There are so many sympathetic igles in the Middle East, and not only there. So Erdogan decided to compete with the terrorists in the ratings.
For a short time he succeeded.
Well, what will happen next ... Depends on Russia. Only on it !!!

[1536]

Here we break the "spears", grind off the keyboard, and everything is much easier than it seems.
I imagined a fat aunt of post-Balzac age, sitting in some travel agency Typhoon in a town near Moscow, who has three children from different husbands (and one husband was a Turk), she has a loan for a car, her mother is sick, her eldest daughter is at her graduation She is studying in the classroom, she has to go to college with money (she doesn’t go to the panel), and I thought, how will this aunt live now? After all, for 25 years she has been fooling fellow citizens, sending them to Antalya, Hurghada, etc. garbage dumps in the Middle East and North. Africa (the director of the travel agency did not trust her in other directions), and now? Life is crumbling!
And second, it is impossible to simultaneously fight for the sovereignty of the country and the freedom of the people and open monuments and museums to its executioners, no matter what post these executioners occupied in the past! I am afraid that the end in this case may be the same - the collapse of what these executioners did and "created" in their time!
Maybe, all the same, to wrinkle the brain? BUT?

[atalef]

Quote: 1536

I imagined a fat aunt of post-Balzac age, sitting in some travel agency Typhoon in a town near Moscow, who has three children from different husbands (and one husband was a Turk), she has a loan for a car, her mother is sick, her eldest daughter is at her graduation She is studying in the classroom, she has to go to college with money (she doesn’t go to the panel), and I thought, how will this aunt live now? After all, for 25 years she has been fooling fellow citizens, sending them to Antalya, Hurghada, etc. garbage dumps in the Middle East and North. Africa (the director of the travel agency did not trust her in other directions), and now? Life is crumbling!

Eugene, do not paint everything in such colors.
Holidays in Turkey and Egypt - was an absolutely normal and budget outlet for millions of Russians.
and didn’t go there due to the dump. and because of the budget and the lack of an alternative to the house (by the way, don’t tell. But this alternative will not appear - the season in Crimea is 3 months with difficulty, and everything else in the form of Europe. Canary. Caribbean, etc. - the average statistical Russian will not pull
Turkey and Egypt - it was good for the Russians.
and until there is a clear alternative, they will continue to ride.

[andj61]

Quote: atalef

They didn’t sit there for no reason. and because of the budget and the lack of an alternative to the house (by the way, don’t tell. But this alternative will not appear - the season in Crimea is 3 months with difficulty, and everything else in the form of Europe. Canary. Caribbean, etc. - the average statistical Russian will not pull
Turkey and Egypt - it was good for the Russians.
and until there is a clear alternative, they will continue to ride.

Alexander, travel, of course, will continue - some. But Turkey does not have that budget anymore - there is "all inclusive" (Tagil rules!) And drunk rest. There is nothing to watch, just to warm up the belly and get drunk. And it’s not safe - every year there are accidents with left-handed alcohol, with road safety, with medical treatment in clinics. I was in Turkey once in 2009 - I liked it, but I didn't even want to go there anymore. And for the price now there is already quite decent, you can, in principle, choose Crete, and Spain, and Montenegro for the same money. Which I did. This year I traveled with my family in a car near Tuapse - and I traveled all over the coast, and there are a lot of impressions, and much cheaper. In the past it was under St. Petersburg - it is quite competitive. We will live without Turkey, we will live completely!
It’s better to take you on a budget tour - and you can warm your belly for a couple of days in Eilat, and they will bring you to the Dead Sea for advertising purposes, and visit the Holy places and see where all the same this notorious hand of Tel Aviv lives! ... And the fact that "our people are a quarter of the former" is also important!
If prices were a little downward, it would be very good!

[U-96]

Quote: andj61

drunk rest

well said. Never understood the beach-bar-bed-buffet-beach relaxation. Although, of course, non-trivial recreation requires funds.

[atalef]

Quote: andj61

travel, of course, will continue - some. But Turkey does not have that budget anymore - there is "all inclusive" (Tagil rules!) And drunken rest.

for me there’s nothing to do in Turkey. I was once on a cruise on a ship, I didn’t like it and I don’t like anything.
Turks never digested

Quote: andj61

It’s better to take you on a budget tour - and you can warm your belly for a couple of days in Eilat, and they will bring you to the Dead Sea for advertising purposes, and visit the Holy places and see where all the same this notorious Tel Aviv hand lives

Think, meet, ride - there is something to see. You will not regret

[atalef]

Quote: andj61

travel, of course, will continue - some. But Turkey does not have that budget anymore - there is "all inclusive" (Tagil rules!) And drunken rest.

for me there’s nothing to do in Turkey. I was once on a cruise on a ship, I didn’t like it and I don’t like anything.
Turks never digested

Quote: andj61

It’s better to take you on a budget tour - and you can warm your belly for a couple of days in Eilat, and they will bring you to the Dead Sea for advertising purposes, and visit the Holy places and see where all the same this notorious Tel Aviv hand lives

Think, meet, ride - there is something to see. You will not regret

[yastr]

Very interesting, especially the farms in the desert are amazing: with dates and endless rows of "anti-teplits" :) The Dead Sea is phenomenal :)

I was very surprised that in Jerusalem and Bethlehem the vast majority of tourists are Russian speakers. There was an opinion (subjective) that the holy places of the bourgeoisie were not interested.

[star44]

This is nothing to watch in Turkey ??? A land with 100 centuries of history ... Maybe just try to break away from the bottle and all inclusive and walk outside the hotel gates, having a sober look? And the rest there is of higher quality and cheaper compared to the Black Sea coast, and even more so to the Crimea ... Believe me, I was there several times "savage" with the involvement of a master car rental. Impressions for many years to come ... But I agree otherwise, for our losses there should be a "response". Competent, balanced, without hysteria, but memorable for a long time. It's too early to jump on the NATO hedgehog with our slightly armored, sorry, ass, but it is quite possible to plunge it into the smelly dermis. Sorry for my bad French again ...

[andj61]

Quote: Star44

This is nothing to watch in Turkey ??? A land with 100 centuries of history ... Maybe just try to break away from the bottle and all inclusive and walk outside the hotel gates, having a sober look? And the rest there is of higher quality and cheaper compared to the Black Sea coast, and even more so to the Crimea ...

I don’t know how you went wild in Turkey, but there, it’s worth going beyond the hotel-beach-resort zone, no one will say a word even in English, but they refuse to speak with ours and turn their faces back. In 2009, I was on an excursion to the fortress in Alanya - in general, you can’t really see anything, the guide does not know anything, those who drive Germans and all sorts of different Swedes also know nothing about history, they specially approached and listened. I had to tell our group - I looked at the network first. And such an impression is formed that the history of the region - and there was an Armenian state, and the Greeks (Byzantium) were noted, and the crusaders too - in general, the Turks do not want to know: it's not them! They only guess about the Ottoman Empire.
For the Turks aerobatics - this is some kind of swan from a towel on a made bed to roll.

[andrew42]

Well, in Egypt the same parsley was. Savages and traders trade in the cultural remains of civilizations, which they themselves finished off, and they even barely remember this. It's all out of laziness. It is easier for guides to chase away a blizzard for lumpy tourists, and to take them to shops to buy "glass beads", than to sit down and more or less decently examine the objects of excursions. Been in those parts, and in Turland too. Once it was lucky - the guide turned out to be a "Russian Turk", with Soviet youth and a Nizhny Novgorod accent, and even with a historical education, received either in the last years of the Union, or in Russia in the early 90s. In Antalya I will never forget an excursion (I do not remember the name of the sunken polis, I am too lazy to look, but a hundred thousand of our people have been there, I think), in short, ancient Lycia, but the policy of the times of the beginning of the flourishing of the Roman Empire. Like a sunken city. Well, steamed on the ship. Listening to nonsense on the radio, swam up to a couple of remaining steps to the sharp, and that's it. Where is the landing? Where is this very city? Yes, here, under the bottom, and landing nizzyayaya. We swam back. Profanation. Still, in Turkey, the acquaintance of antiquities is better than in Egyptos. And you are right, of course, that traders and herders can tell about the once flourishing Byzantium? I’m talking about Kariya, and I don’t even remember Lykia.

[andrew42]

I agree that there are many places in Turkey with an excellent climate, this alone means a lot. And the earth just breathes with ancient history. True, the descendants of the Turkmen "bashi-bazouks" cheerfully frolic on the bones of all these civilizations, but it is as it is. Let's just say that God himself created Asia Minor for modern tourism. But! The value of this tends to zero, since the state that owns this land, Turkey, has actually declared itself an enemy of Russia and the Russian people. She died so died. And who gave you a minus, you need to fix it ..

[Down House]

Quote: atalef

Holidays in Turkey and Egypt - was an absolutely normal and budget outlet for millions of Russians.

Yes, he was a trash heap for those for whom an extra 2-3 thousand a month for a normal vacation to postpone "the toad strangled" - he spent this money on drink corny.
But it’s okay, even if they’re either sitting at home now or looking for 10-20 thousand for a vacation a level higher — I don’t see any problems at all.

[U-96]

Quote: 1536

frowning fellow citizens, sending them to Antalya, Hurghada, etc. garbage in the Middle East and North. Africa

And why, in fact, "trash heaps"? Ok, bring the Crimean and Caucasian resorts to the level of a "trash heap" - "Tagi-i-i-il!" will go there. I understand, of course, emotions in relation to the Turks, but still be objective - the level of their travel service is out of competition so far. However, I cannot judge - not mine.

[Corsair]

Quote: U-96

And why, in fact, "trash heaps"? Ok, bring the Crimean and Caucasian resorts to the level of a "trash heap" - "Tagi-i-i-il!" will go there. I understand, of course, emotions in relation to the Turks, but still be objective - the level of their travel service is out of competition so far. However, I cannot judge - not mine.

This is what surprises me in this world, for so many years they went to the river, lakes, if possible, to their seas, and then suddenly everyone wanted to sunbathe in the autumn and winter on the seas, free grub and booze ... Then they wonder where so many cancer patients come from - that's why that we cannot have so much sun, we were born here, each in our region and the body has adapted for years, the health and immune system laid down by genes are not ready for "our wishes", plus our ecology is not ice in places
I traveled to Cyprus for several years, took my child to the sea in the summer, suggested the possibility of a trip to Egypt and Turkey - but just to look at it once and definitely not in winter, but to relax on the Volga, in the Black Sea, but anywhere in good weather - is no different from any foreign rest, save extra pounds and plant a liver.

[atalef]

Quote: Corsair

This is what surprises me in this world: for so many years we went to a river, lakes, if possible to our seas, and then suddenly everyone wanted to sunbathe in the fall and winter on the seas, free grub and drink

Well, someone likes aorbuz, and someone pork cartilage.
By the way, why freebies? Do you think the Turks are giving something to someone?

Quote: Corsair

Then they wonder where so many cancer patients come from - because we cannot have so much sun, we were born here, each in our region and the body has adapted for years, the health and immune system laid down by genes are not ready for "our wishes", plus our ecology is not ice

I would argue with you, but I’m sure, having re-read my post again - you will understand - somehow it’s not completely convincing, you wrote

Quote: Corsair

I traveled to Cyprus for several years, drove a child to the sea in the summer, suggested the possibility of a trip to Egypt and Turkey - but just to look at it once and certainly not in winter, but to relax on the Volga, in the Black Sea, but anywhere in good weather - is no different from any foreign rest, save extra pounds and plant a liver

C'mon, you. Patriotism is good, but the same is not necessary to break away from reality.

[atalef]

Quote: Corsair

This is what surprises me in this world: for so many years we went to a river, lakes, if possible to our seas, and then suddenly everyone wanted to sunbathe in the fall and winter on the seas, free grub and drink

Well, someone likes aorbuz, and someone pork cartilage.
By the way, why freebies? Do you think the Turks are giving something to someone?

Quote: Corsair

Then they wonder where so many cancer patients come from - because we cannot have so much sun, we were born here, each in our region and the body has adapted for years, the health and immune system laid down by genes are not ready for "our wishes", plus our ecology is not ice

I would argue with you, but I’m sure, having re-read my post again - you will understand - somehow it’s not completely convincing, you wrote

Quote: Corsair

I traveled to Cyprus for several years, drove a child to the sea in the summer, suggested the possibility of a trip to Egypt and Turkey - but just to look at it once and certainly not in winter, but to relax on the Volga, in the Black Sea, but anywhere in good weather - is no different from any foreign rest, save extra pounds and plant a liver

C'mon, you. Patriotism is good, but the same is not necessary to break away from reality.

[Cap.Morgan]

You feel that the Red Sea is not to your liking. Let's be objective.
Nobody will go to sunbathe in the luxurious Russian resorts of the Arctic Ocean.
Turkish resorts - this is not a garbage dump, but an inexpensive opportunity to relax humanly.

The fat aunt who is described here will simply go to the sites of hotels in India, Cambodia, Thailand with two clicks of a computer mouse ... envy her silently.
As for the enemies of the people, the monuments to which they open and close, don’t worry, no one will rename Vorovsky street in Moscow, people will live by the metro named after the executioner of the royal family. With the victory of you.

[U-96]

Quote: Cap.Morgan

people will live by the metro named after the executioner of the royal family. With the victory of you.

I don’t quite understand what you mentioned to Voikov. In your opinion, cockroach racing with renaming is a necessary and paramount matter? If you sleep poorly near the Voykovskaya metro station, you can exchange the apartment for an area with a more neutral station. Say textile workers.

[ioann1]

In your opinion, cockroach racing with renaming is a necessary and paramount matter? In this he is right! All names carry the spirit of the deceased. And the change of places will give nothing but fuss, and the spirit of the bloody killer of the Anointed of God puts pressure on us all.
Why don't we call the streets by names: Hitler, Bandera, half a sweat, chikatilo? Probably because such an idea would not be understandable to us, and to call it that means to be with them. Living under their spirit, remembering them constantly, naming the address and listening to announcements in the subway and ground transport ...
And renaming is not such a super complicated event, as it is explained, but in 70 years time for this important event, renaming, can you find? Or should we always remember the bloody killer of Voikov and the worst villain Sverdlov, who killed tens of thousands of Cossacks with his orders!
If in renaming nothing of this would be significant, then surely they would have buried where necessary. But no, everyone goes to the cemetery, to the churchyard, and this is a church matter. But atheists are not aware that denying God, they kill themselves. And the Church teaches that the dead must be buried, sort of like parting words and intercession before the Lord for the forgiveness of sins. And you do not understand what it means to live in a city, in a country where streets and regions are named after vampires and nasty monsters.

[1536]

Good luck to a fat aunt, dear!

[a housewife]

Vorovsky? Or Voikov? Or anyway who, if only on "B"?

[ioann1]

It is as if in your style: in 1942 a group of Soviet tourists went on vacation to the azure shores of Italy. And not disgusting to you, dear ?!

[Fantazer911]

this is where PI and KU are natural bl in life, there are no thoughts and they scatter in horror. Now, if Russia shot down the plane, there would have been more stinks and now it’s necessary to jam them so that it’s not something to take off or sail away, but they were even afraid to go to the toilet and sat there for hours, I guessed that the Turks were blue but did not know that they were prostitutes

[anip]

Quote: Fantazer911

and now we need to muffle them so that it’s not like flying up or sailing away, but we were even afraid to go to the toilet and sat there for hours

Late. It was necessary to answer immediately, and now it's late.

[mik0588]

Kirsan Ilyumzhinov is on the US sanctions list
The US Treasury Department has imposed sanctions on the president of the International Chess Federation (FIDE) and co-owner of Russian Financial Alliance Bank Kirsan Ilyumzhinov because of Syria, reported on the website of the department. The Ministry of Finance suspects Mr. Ilyumzhinov of ties with the head of the Syrian Central Bank, Adib Mayaleh. For the same reason, a citizen of Russia Mudalal Khuri, who is a co-owner of the RFA, fell under sanctions. US sanctions have also been imposed on a Syrian citizen and one Cyprus citizen associated with them.
US sanctions also included two Russian organizations, the Russian Financial Alliance and Hudsotrade Limited, and four companies from Syria, Cyprus and Belize.
And here is the sanctions list referred to by Kommersant
www.treasury ... s / 20151125.aspx
Syria designations
11/25/2015

[guzik007]

Kirsan Ilyumzhinov is on the US sanctions list
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even I can’t regret and sympathize with me.

[sery volk]

why did you applaud the departure of the Soviet army from eastern Europe, NATO didn’t dare to squeak knowing that the SA needed a couple of hours to get to the Gibraltar, all these are consequences of the country's betrayal by the top leadership and part of the people in the 90s

[Volga Cossack]

only a tough answer to all this !!! info war in full swing ..........

[bubla5]

There is a reason now to shoot down all planes to the left and right of the alliance

[Doomph]

! I read "Erdogan's short speech" longer than our "drying room" was in Turkish airspace (according to the Turks themselves, 17 seconds).

[U-96]

Quote: Doomph

(according to the Turks themselves 17 seconds).

Yankees talked about 3 seconds.

[Corsair]

Quote: U-96

Yankees talked about 3 seconds.

I think even 20 seconds is not enough in case of detection of an airplane (moreover, an unfamiliar one, it is not clear whose Erdogan says) - report to the base - ask permission to shoot down - warn the plane 10 times. In any case, they waited in ambush.

[dchegrinec]

Yes, let these Western monkeys boil there in their cauldron. All the same, you can’t convince everyone and don’t. Their fate is to be monkeys! It is necessary to make a clear statement on Turkey: as long as they do not officially acknowledge their mistake, not by quietly, but by a public statement, we have nothing to cooperate with them.

[U-96]

Quote: dchegrinec

Yes let these western monkeys

reminded me of Velurov's verses from "Pokrovskie Vorota": "Let the arsonist wheeze and scream ..."))

[yuliatreb]

Yes, in what airspace it was, it no longer plays a role. A clearly planned action on how the Russians will behave in this situation. So we conclude, the puppeteer started a VERY NOT GOOD GAME and wants to take Russia weakly. But thank God, for the fact that in our country there is a sensible politician with a cold head, I think 1-0 in our favor in this situation.

[Wedmak]

How furious these constant, out of place smiles of the Americans. Like dummies.

[ia-ai00]

Will this MARASM, from the USA and its minions, ever end? Already no nerves are enough to "digest" all this ...

[Begemot]

called for "calm and de-escalation", as well as for "diplomacy"

We have already sent our diplomats to the place of tragedy, this is C-400.
Cynical, arrogant and unprincipled - these are the mildest characteristics of NATO.

[Awaz]

It will not be possible to punish Turkey by any legal methods. SCHA all Euroshusher will be on their side and even the UN. Any statements about ignoring Turkish goods is also a stupid topic, although I think a good topic is to shake Turkish "businessmen" in Russia and their Azeri friends. I think that the Russian authorities understand everything and, having made routine statements, should start looking for real ways to punish the bandits, including the Turkish authorities. For some reason, many moments were missed and not made from the first days of our aircraft being in Syria. For example, it would still be necessary to replenish the stock of MiGs for the Syrian Air Force and suppress all attempts to penetrate NATO aircraft from the territory of Turkey. They are already openly fighting with Syria anyway, and a response from Syria is a normal phenomenon to protect their borders. Of course, it is not desirable for Russian aircraft to directly participate in these events, but the Syrian Air Force should be supported as much as possible. If all this had been done initially, what has happened now would not have happened. Although this is a lesson and experience, it is a pity that on the blood.
And so, we must stop complaining and continue the work we have begun and bring it to victory. Catch a few banderlogs and then around the world show how they will hand over their Turkish patrons.

[yastr]

An operation conducted by an unknown DRG at the airport where these FKIs would be would be nice. Well, for example, with the undermining of the entire fleet ..

[ivan bogomolov]

The analysis of these politicians at the level of a children's clinic is not very far-sighted .....

[Eustace]

Once again I am convinced that Russia has no friends, only allies at some stages of achieving strategic goals. Nobody likes an additional player in the international arena who has his own point of view on the development of events. And our leaders in the government from Turkey, a NATO member, have created the image of a friendly state. They were going to build South Stream at their own expense, they provided huge discounts on gas, organized visa-free entry, they were going to build nuclear power plants with an incomprehensible return on investment, and allowed Turkish companies to enter the construction market. It would be better if they spent money on the development of the regions of their country and raised the Crimea.

[oracul]

Alas! These are some of the features of our Russian mentality: gullibility based on naivety and simplicity, which, as you know, is worse than theft, and the well-known quick-wittedness, which is used by all and sundry. True, something changes over time. And the same situation with Turkish Stream is not so clear-cut. It all started loud and noisy, but we must admit that we were not in a hurry with it either. Now Nord Stream 2 has appeared, rather as an alternative. However, there is also China, where a gas pipeline needs to be built. And this is not a matter of one year. And we have not got stuck with the nuclear power plant as deeply as it seems on the surface. It looks like Game of Thrones.

[anip]

Quote: oracul

Alas! These are some features of our Russian mentality: credulity based on naivety and simplicity, which, as you know, is worse than theft, and well-known perseverance, which is used by all and sundry.

Just don’t blame the Russian mentality. Banal mediocre management of the country, bringing it to the level of a "banana" republic, thirst for dollars and led to a feverish search for those who would buy gas and oil on almost any terms.

[andrew42]

Not only. World politics are not played by you. No matter how talented the leadership of Russia is, on the other hand is insidious, sophisticated. intellectually developed and decency-free enemy. This must also be understood. You can’t win the war, and so that they don’t get the balls themselves. This does not happen.

[Horn]

Florida Republican Senator Marco Rubio, known for his habit of political rudeness, again called Vladimir Putin a “gangster” and advised the White House to give the Russians a “hawkish” answer. The United States should give such a response to Moscow in any manifestation of “aggression” against Turkey.
The very possibility of such an American response could force Moscow to correlate probable "costs and benefits." After all, Putin is “a player in the field of geopolitics,” who makes decisions by comparing the minuses and advantages, according to Rubio.
Therefore, the Kremlin must learn that Washington is ready to fight for the defense of Turkey, a NATO partner.
Realizing that America and NATO are ready for anything, Putin will not risk "checking the alliance for strength." He understands: in such a confrontation, he will “lose”, summed up Rubio

- It is good to rattle about any topic when your words are the barking of a dog from the gateway, and not the position of the state. I would have looked at the readiness of PRESIDENT Rubio to "harness" for the Turks, exposing US citizens to the danger of a vigorous bombardment.

[death fashistam]

hunting.............................

[MAXUZZZ]

Bullshit of pure water, how could the wreckage of a plane get into Turkey if the plane crashed almost whole? No, well, maybe of course the broads brought some pieces on donkeys for a report. It’s not a reason to give the black box to them; it contains all the flight information and the exact answer to the question of violating the border.

[olimpiada15]

Quote: ia-ai00

Will this MARASM, from the USA and its minions, ever end? Already no nerves are enough to "digest" all this ...

This insanity will not end until we give up our energy resources and other strategic raw materials for green waste paper. Stop ravaging the country. Russia is a country with a harsh climate, but for life in the country God gave energy to compensate for the natural lack of heat. What is going on now? We spend energy to extract the wealth of the country from the bowels of the country, and then we give them away for paper coupons called dollars. And most importantly, no one wants to understand this. What is a dollar? The scheme is approximately the following. 10 people came to the grocery store, each with 1000 rubles and goods in the store for 10 thousand rubles. And then the type with dollars comes in, they give him half the goods., And ten people. they buy the remaining goods, each takes half as much (there is no more goods), and gives his thousand rubles (prices have risen). That's about how the dollar works in the country's economy. Of course, other economies sell part of the dollars, but certainly not the state’s population — this country spends twice as much (no one knows how much they print dollars) than it produces. Why the United States does not save up debt? No one asks from them, here they are for saving. An interesting point is why in the summer half of Russia's budget was shoved into American papers. Yes, because the Central Bank knows that the rubles will be depreciated, well, the population is understandable, they can take half rations away, stating that inflation is 4%, and the budget must be somehow implemented, again, pay your favorite salary. Here is such a branch of MMM on a global scale, and those who are involved in this scam become rich, who do not give a damn about the country and its people.
And until the people understand, unite to protect themselves from endless robbery, everything will be so.

[anip]

Quote: olimpiada15

And until the people understand, unite to protect themselves from endless robbery, everything will be so.

I won’t understand for a long time, because such 90% are those who make a rating to the guarantor.

[Thompson]

By the way, it seems that one Shtatovsky journalist wrote that of the presidential candidates militant against Russia, except for the fool McCain, not one served in the army and have no idea about service, let alone war !!!
rimbo steers

[Prince Bulls]

Listen to these shit, they’re so sick of it, I personally already feel disgust, Russia needs to be pecked for any reason, and if you can’t peck, you can even spit poisonous saliva in our direction. I’m a mountain for our president, but for how long he will endure it, really, we can’t even answer Americans symmetrically. It's time to probably return to Cuba.

[shershen]

"Florida Republican Senator Marco Rubio, known for his habit of political rudeness, once again called Vladimir Putin a 'bandit' and advised the White House to give the Russians a 'cocky' response. This is the response the US should give Moscow to any 'aggression' against Turkey."

[dojjdik]

the Jews set up Erdogan - it's also not bad now, both the Syrian artillery and our pilots have free hands; now it is necessary to completely close the Syrian-Turkish border; Well, one of the hypocrites showed his "face" - now everyone who operates in Idlib and who captured him already knows, but the main hypocrite Israel is still hiding behind the mask of a certain "igil" but will show his grin from Benny

[king off]

Quote: 79807420129

Erdogan, in general, a coward and cattle, did della and hid under the skirt of NATO’s mother and now he’s yelling from there. In the courtyard of my childhood, if such a kid did that, he would not even have been beaten, he was just an outcast, and the mattress was in his eternal repertoire.

Erdogan was just not a coward, knocked down and said: he warned and knocked down, did not come up with green people, some kind of polite people and other dregs.

[Corsair]

Quote: kingoff

Erdogan was just not a coward, knocked down and said: he warned and knocked down, did not come up with green people, some kind of polite people and other dregs.

well yes the hero of course
stated:
1. they say a plane flew to us and we shot it down,
2. did not know what kind of aircraft it was.
3. warned 10 times in 5-10 minutes (who? When? - you knew who it was!).
4. ran to NATO for advice and defense.
5. not associated with GDP.
6. Relatives russkie offend ...
The bomber is empty and the fighter - speed and ability to work through the air are not comparable.
Does nothing bother you?

[Insurgent LC]

An ambush for drying has long been planned.
Two Boeing E-3 Sentry AWACS aircraft took off on November 24. One, assigned to the US Air Force from a base in Greece, the second, belonging to the Saudi Air Force, from the Riyadh air base. They monitored and selected a victim using the SU-24 radar tracking system to find out in what mode it was flying - in search of a target, in a state of capture, tracking, or generating data for firing.

Having found out that our dryer flies at rest, and chose it as a victim, transmitting information to the Turkish F-16. But even this information would not be enough for an accurate strike with the F-16, it was provided by the US Patriot ground-based air defense systems deployed in Turkey and the MENTOR radio intelligence satellites, it is possible that the Geosat spacecraft also participated in the satellite constellation.

Where are such conclusions from? Leonkov says that the F-16 flight path indicates a high-precision approach to the target using the triangulation method: US-Saudi pair E-3A plus Patriot air defense radar plus geostationary RER MENTOR satellites and, possibly, Geosat spacecraft.

At the same time, the E-3 gave directions where our aircraft was in the air, determined its level, speed, weapon control status, Patriot air defense radar, together with the MENTOR electronic reconnaissance satellite, provided telemetry of the Su-24's movement relative to the surface - that is, it gave an accurate predicted sector of our appearance aircraft relative to the highlands.

After exact instructions, one of the Turkish F-16s almost point-blank (!) Launched the AIM-9X Sidewinder air-to-air missile into the rear hemisphere of the Russian bomber, and the second worked in the target illumination mode.

But even having absolutely accurate target data, the Turks blundered: they were defeated 2 minutes late, when the Su-24 had already left the site of the disputed 68-kilometer territory in northern Syria (it took him 1,5 minutes maximum to fly it). The F-16 command to kill was not canceled, so the missiles were launched a little further than the calculated point.

[Epifan]

The shortest joke?
"Washington is ready to fight to protect Turkey"
It will crap, but others will have to fight if that.

[king off]

Quote: Corsair

The bomber is empty and the fighter - speed and ability to work through the air are not comparable.
Does nothing bother you?

Perhaps the bomber scattered gifts? When the Pakistani F-16s shot down Soviet planes in Afghanistan, flew over the ribbon - get a rocket and did an ambush specially, didn’t you embarrass the poor hero Rutsky in SU-25 twice? .
A TU-22 shot down in Georgia? Are aviation generals used to stepping on the same rake? Where's the super-duper EW? Here, many couch generals made a career on Donald Cook with delirium, and when you need to protect your scorer, there is no EW. Russian folk tales.

[cumastra1]

No need to jerk. What is necessary, then dumped. And where it is necessary. And an ambush blow is difficult to parry, almost impossible. But in response to organize an ambush - a holy cause. Otherwise, they will cease to respect.

[Kim Klimov]

The croaking of thug Washington camarilla from a rotten Washington swamp.

[vladimirvn]

Judging by the new cartoons, Charlie Hebdo again has an abundance of journalists.

[Denis Skiff]

How they rush about, how they rush about. They no longer know how to get away with it and do more mischief. And get away with it again.

[sem_juver]

This is exactly what was expected from the ghouls from overseas; they considered the lack of an answer to the Turkish demons as Russia’s weakness.

[olegyurjewitch]

Quote: sem_juver

This is exactly what was expected from the ghouls from overseas; they considered the lack of an answer to the Turkish demons as Russia’s weakness

And they don’t have enough intelligence for more. Well, of course, some Russia has the initiative in the fight against I.G., and they are the navel of the earth with a nose. No respect for you, no laurels for you from loud victories, not counting the heroic blow to hospital. What can the poor fellows do? Only shake the air with ridiculous insinuations and, gnashing teeth, try to shake up the world’s deck by slipping marked cards into it. But you can’t be cheaters, the lie is too obvious.

[Kibl]

What a cutie, but for some reason, at the sight of this little face, your hands themselves begin to frantically search for a brick!

[Ivan the Terrible]

Well, what can I say? NITS

[starwars]

Where is my beloved Dog, it’s boring without you.

[miland]

Usual and standard American trolling!!!

Let's pass by.

[Algetxnumx]

Quote: atalef

and until there is a clear alternative, they will continue to ride.

Do this and people will flock to YOU But seriously, Israel has a good chance to get great benefits if this situation with Egypt and Turkey continues. In terms of tourism, what do they say about this?

[padded jacket]

Quote: Alget87

Israel has a good chance to get great benefits if this situation with Egypt and Turkey continues. In terms of tourism, what do they say about this?

What chance could they have? In Israel, there has been a civil war between Jews and Arabs for a long time, and there has been terrorist attack after terrorist attack. And send our people there?
In no case - it is necessary to completely ban flights to Turkey, Egypt and Israel.

[Robert Nevsky]

Shooting down a Russian bomber over Syria is an act of war. And for that, Türkiye should get what it deserves!
Well, I think she will get it!

[Yugra]

Leaky mattress covers. All you can do is bark from the screens. In a real battle with the Russian army there would only be the squeals and groans of the mattress “warriors”...

[molotov cocktail]

Erdogan said that elements of the fuselage of the downed Russian Su-24 bomber fell on Turkish territory. There were also voices from across the ocean: potential US presidential candidates, as if on cue, rushed to denigrate Russia, Putin and extol Erdogan. Lindsay Graham called the destruction of the Su-24 "a good thing" and noted that Turkey "clicked Russia on the nose," and Marco Rubio once again called Putin V. a "gangster" and offered the White House to take a "hawk" response to any Russian aggression "against Turkey.

[Dimon-chik-79]

The dogs are barking, the caravan is coming! The louder they bark, the more painful it is to step on their tails.

[Victor-M]

Having realized that America and NATO are ready for anything, Putin will not risk “testing the strength of the alliance.”

They've already checked, and his (NATO's) pants are bursting at the seams.

[Gardener91]

NATO checked themselves for lice. False solidarity. There is no need to have such partners and enemies.

[marl]

elements of the fuselage of the downed Russian Su-24 bomber fell on Turkish territory

You could say that in the American, in the Russian Federation, no one would be surprised.

[dorward]

“Flick on the nose” Do American politicians live in these categories?

[triglav]

Clowns, and stupid ones at that. This Rubio is brave when he sits in his house.

[Papania]

What can you do if you were born a freak, you will die a freak.

[aiden]

in the meantime
Information appeared on social networks that the mountain villages from which our pilots were fired upon no longer exist.
Turkoman general Rashid Baghdash, coordinator of the Turkish actions to destroy the Su-24, was killed.

[enhancement]

Do you really believe everything that they write? They could still strike in a month, then all of ISIS (banned in the Russian Federation) would definitely be covered at once.

[Gardener91]

A pack of rabid dogs. In the election race they are betting on Russophobia. But the democratic and progressive people will choose a worthy president from this pack! The dog barks and the caravan moves on.

[partizan86]

All the same, this will not see the presidential chair.
Let them hit us on the nose, but in response we gave them a kick in the soft spot and this is just the beginning.
NATO understands that Erdogan is not on friendly terms, they got into the alliance almost by accident, and he is not friends with all members and partners of the alliance. The Petriots were taken away from him in time, but he went a different route.

I wonder if there is any way in NATO to exclude one of the participants?

[enhancement]

Of course have.
Only in NATO they are headlong friends and will never kick out the Turks.

[Azov]

Some of its parts fell on Turkish territory and injured two citizens

Fell and injured two citizens. What is the chance that the plane's debris injured not just one, but two people? Probably about the same as the probability that Erdogan did not give the order to destroy the Su-24 for the purpose of provocation.

[Technical engineer]

Quote: anip

How long can you talk nonsense about some “partners”? There are none. NO.

Russia has two partners: the army and the navy

[Viktortopwar]

Lindsey Graham called the destruction of the Su-24 “a good thing”...throwing this ga--it out of a plane (without a parachute), that’s a good thing.

[Elena2013]

Apple of discord

[Balagan]

What the mattress pads are right about is that we really got punched on the nose. They just forgot something, that for every such click, the Russians pick up a shovel (an oar, etc., that they can get their hands on) and fuck their hearts out. Well, that’s how we were brought up, and we don’t care what others yell about a disproportionate response. If you made us uncomfortable, you will get an answer.

[epsilon571]

I have never done this, but in this situation, I want to violate my principles. I'm moving my post from one discussion to another. The Russian leadership has recently been talking about a coalition against the fight against ISIS, calling on other countries, including European ones, to do the same. But let’s figure out whether such a coalition exists among its immediate partners. Kazakhstan is keeping silent about something, the situation with Belarus is completely unclear (but this was known before), India and China are silent. So, the coalition exists for the sake of cheap oil, gas and trade concessions? It turns out that the Russian Federation really doesn’t have any more friends, but in fact, only the ones that stuck to it. Don’t you think that it’s high time to show the world a truly coalition partnership? Is this why Turkey has become insolent, is this why Europe, led by America, is behaving boorishly? It turns out that only the Army and the Navy are our true allies, and today we have no one else to rely on except ourselves? What is the strength of our policy, because they can crush us like that?

[Insurgent LC]

Who would doubt that

[python82]

Interesting, they turned the blanket over and pulled it towards itself. A hairy question emerged from under the blanket: What, in Erdogan’s shop, is the value of a Turk’s life if he does not value the life of a foreign pilot in any way? IMHO. Surely he values ​​his citizens at the price of manure

[zulusuluz]

Having realized that America and NATO are ready for anything, Putin will not risk “testing the strength of the alliance.” He understands that in such a confrontation he will “lose,” Rubio concluded. - A smart candidate, you can’t say anything... Only bacteria will win in a nuclear war, and even then, perhaps...