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Turkey and Russia: an Unbecoming Future

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Moscow can curtail business projects, as well as abandon military cooperation with Turkey, the Kommersant newspaper reports, citing its sources. According to an unnamed interlocutor in the presidential administration, decisions regarding Ankara can be “tough”. For example, Gazprom is going to assess the feasibility of the implementation of the Turkish Stream. The construction by Rosatom of the Akkuyu nuclear power plant in Turkey may also be in question.




Recall, on Tuesday this week, the Russian Su-24 front bomber was hit by an air-to-air missile by a Turkish F-16 fighter. A Russian plane was flying at an altitude of 6 thousand meters at a distance of 1 km from the Turkish border. According to Vladimir Putin, the incident will have serious consequences for Russian-Turkish relations.

The president called the Turkish attack on the plane "a stab in the back by the accomplices of the terrorists."

Thus, Ankara was accused of complicity with terrorism.

Unnamed high-ranking sources told newspaper reporters Kommersant that the crisis in relations between Turkey and Russia will affect joint business projects. And the "victims" are already marked.

The probable “victim” number one is the implementation of the Turkish Stream gas pipeline project.

Number two is the construction by Rosatom of the Akkuyu nuclear power plant in Turkey.

On the Turkish side, obstacles may arise for the passage of Russian ships through the Black Sea Straits (despite the fact that such transit under international agreements can be limited only in the event of a war with Turkey).

And another victim will be tourism.

As for gas supplies to Turkey, experts polled by Kommersant doubt that this will be a "sacrifice."

A certain source in the presidential administration of the Russian Federation said that decisions would be made soon, and they would turn out to be “tough”. What are these solutions? There is no direct answer yet, since they will be finalized on the basis of expert consultations.

It is reported that an assessment of the feasibility of building the Turkish Stream will have to be given by Gazprom, which already suffered from the political uncertainty in Ankara. For Gazprom, the abolition of this “flow” means that Turkey will, as before, be supplied with gas through Ukraine. The previously made huge capex in gas pipelines in Russia for export projects through the Black Sea (the Southern Corridor) will not be used. In the "Gazprom" did not comment on the situation.

Ankara receives about 60% of gas consumed from Moscow, and it does not have other sources of this scale, the publication reminds.

Turkey does not depend on Russian oil, but it can influence its deliveries: after all, this state controls the Bosphorus and Dardanelles straits, through which also a significant part of the Russian Black Sea ports cargo flow, including the supply of Hmeymim airbase in Syria. However, a newspaper interlocutor from a large Russian state-owned company said: “The closure of the straits would be a disaster, but it’s difficult to imagine.” After all, passage through the straits is governed by the Montreux Convention of 1936.

Russia’s contract with Turkey on the construction of the Akkuyu NPP could also be at risk. The construction of the station with a capacity of 4,8 GW at the price of 22 billion dollars is the largest contract in the Rosatom portfolio. Moreover, the state corporation should become the owner of at least 51% of the station. The construction is now directly financed by the Russian Federation: the total amount of state support, reminds Kommersant, should be 93 billion rubles. The relevant agreements on the project between the Russian and Turkish parties have been concluded, a substantial part of the permits from the Turkish regulators has been received, and the complete cancellation of the project seems unlikely.

Finally, tourism. The conflict with Turkey, the newspaper writes, may result in the loss of the largest market by tour operators, and if this happens, in the very near future, tour operators will have to compensate for the failed travelers the cost of more than 40 thousands of purchased vouchers, and return more than 10 thousand people from the country.

In fact, this is not all possible "victims", we add from ourselves. There are still a number of areas that may be affected by an incident in the sky.

The volume of Russian-Turkish trade has now exceeded 31 billion dollars, and the Russian Federation is one of the largest foreign trade partners of Turkey. According to the State Statistical Office of Turkey, goods from Russia (worth $ 25,3 billion) occupied first place in the structure of Turkish imports, followed by goods from China and Germany.

Moreover, quite recently V. Putin and R. Erdogan talked about the need to increase trade turnover to 100 billion dollars a year. Now it’s hard to believe.

Until 2023, Russia and Turkey can increase trade turnover to 100 billion dollars, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said at a meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin. This September 23 reported TASS.

“Over the past ten years, the bilateral relations between Russia and Turkey have reached a very good level,” Erdogan quoted TASS. - Despite the fact that globally, some negative aspects have negatively affected the trade turnover between the two countries, there is still a positive about trade. Our goal is to reach $ 100 billion. We set ourselves such a goal to reach the 2023 year. "

What else are trading Ankara and Moscow?

As the channel indicates LifeNewsAnkara increased in 2015 year (recall the Western sanctions against Russia, which Ankara decided not to join) exports of fruits and vegetables to the Russian Federation. In January-May alone, the volume amounted to over 560 thousand tons. Turkey also offers meat, dairy products, fish and eggs - in exchange for grain from Russia.

A new round of tension can hit on investment, and that is a lot of money.

As LifeNews reminds, in 2013, investments from Russia to Turkey amounted to more than 950 million, and from Turkey to Russia - a little more than 520 million. Here both Sberbank’s purchase of Denizbank, and LUKoil’s acquisition of Akpet’s petrol stations, and the purchase by Inter RAO UES of the assets of the Grid Company of Turkey.

Who else can be touched by the new crisis in Russian-Turkish relations?

Yandex has been operating in Turkey since 2011, notes RBC.

In the summer of 2015, Yandex entered into a sponsorship contract with the Turkish Fenerbahçe football club. The most successful network projects in Turkey were Yandex.Maps and Yandex.Probki. The representative of "Yandex" refused to give the agency comments in connection with the aggravation of relations between Russia and Turkey.

Alfa Telecom Turkey Ltd. (the former Alfa Group structure) also operates on the Turkish telecommunications market. Since 2013, this company has been part of the LetterOne investment group of Mikhail Friedman, Herman Khan and Alexey Kuzmichyov. It owns 13,22% of the largest Turkish telecommunications operator Turkcell.

The GAZ group of Oleg Deripaska with the Turkish partner Mersa Otomotiv has been assembling a Gazelle Next in Turkey since last October. The capacity of the joint venture is more than 9 thousand cars per year.

Needless to say, all this may be called into question in the event of complication of relations between the two states?

The representative of the General Staff, recalls further "RBC", said that "contacts with Turkey on a military line will be terminated." But Russia supplied the Turks anti-tank missile systems "Kornet-E", Mi-17 helicopters, armored personnel carriers. The Turks showed interest in the Russian Antey-2500 air defense system.

If we still add, in conclusion, R.T. Erdogan and his ruling party, whose title mentions “justice,” were able to maneuver between politics and economics, now it seems that the “sultan” manners of Erdogan, as well as the personal interests of some his relatives, who do not shy away from the dubious oil business in Syria, took over. Even if the "annexation" of the Crimea did not prevent the Turks from trading with Russia, including with the Crimea, and refusing to participate in the sanctions, now the economy of the whole country is relegated to the background. Apparently, the main interest of the “Sultan” Erdogan is that his son Bilal (a big fan be photographed with bearded leaders of terrorists) could continue to buy oil from smugglers "IG", filling his pockets with dollars.

It is also possible that the provocation in the sky was agreed with Washington: it’s not for nothing that the United States is carrying absurd statements about the "guilt" of Russia, which has straightened the air borders of the NATO country, and that shooting a Russian pilot in the air is an act of "self-defense" State Department Mark Toner).

One thing is clear: there will not be a single broad coalition against the “IG” in the Middle East. And this means that the “sultan” (for a couple with speaking heads from the State Department like M. Toner) himself signed his allegiance to the ideals of Islamist militants.

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  1. st25310
    st25310 26 November 2015 06: 10
    21
    Russian customs does not pass cargo from Turkey. https://russian.rt.com/article/132711
    1. Lepila
      Lepila 26 November 2015 08: 15
      32
      Finally, the world opens its eyes to the metamorphoses that occurred with Turkey over 10 years of Perdogan's rule. Turkey has turned into an extreme Islamic state (the Sunni twin of Iran). Turkey has become the logistics rear of ISIS and Hamas. The Russians opened their eyes to the essence of the Turkish regime. I hope that the West will open its eyes in the near future.
      1. atalef
        atalef 26 November 2015 08: 27
        12
        Quote: Lepila
        Finally, the world opens its eyes to the metamorphoses that occurred with Turkey over 10 years of Perdogan's rule. Turkey has turned into an extreme Islamic state (the Sunni twin of Iran). Turkey has become the logistics rear of ISIS and Hamas. The Russians opened their eyes to the essence of the Turkish regime. I hope that the West will open its eyes in the near future.

        Everything is correct +
        1. Mikhail Krapivin
          Mikhail Krapivin 26 November 2015 08: 31
          +7
          It is rather strange to hear from Israelis criticism of pro-Israeli Turkey.
          1. Lepila
            Lepila 26 November 2015 08: 38
            +7
            Since Perdogan came to power, Turkey has become an extremely Islamist state and, accordingly, has taken an extremely anti-Israeli position. Now Turkey has taken anti-Russian steps. Once again, the old truth has been proven: "The villains start with the Jews, but they never stop there." This should be remembered by Russia, which considers Iran to be its ally. Iran is the twin of Turkey (Shia spill only)
            1. Mikhail Krapivin
              Mikhail Krapivin 26 November 2015 08: 42
              +9
              If Israel behaved more evenly in relations with Russia (incomprehensible to me and clearly unnecessary military assistance to Georgia, Ukraine), our countries would be best friends and partners.
              1. Lepila
                Lepila 26 November 2015 08: 51
                +2
                There was no military assistance to Ukraine. During the war of 08 and after it, military assistance to Georgia was discontinued. All this time to this day, Russia has been supplying its latest weapons to Iran, which denies Israel’s right to exist and wages war against us at the hands of the Hezbollah terrorist organization. Plus, Russia's constantly anti-Israeli position at the UN. Israel refused to vote against Russia on the Ukrainian parliament’s demand. It is Russia's position that is an obstacle to deepening relations with Russia.
                1. Darkoff
                  Darkoff 26 November 2015 09: 34
                  +6
                  If Israel were as active as Iran opposed the IS and their accomplices, then this would undoubtedly contribute to mutual rapprochement.
                  Yes, and the recognition of Israel by Iran could be promoted by a more active position of the first in the confrontation between the Saudis and the Qatars. Which, in my understanding, are no less hostile to Israel than to Iran. It's time for you to unite against your main enemies!
                2. Mikhail Krapivin
                  Mikhail Krapivin 26 November 2015 09: 55
                  +3
                  Ours wrote about Israel’s delivery of military equipment to Ukraine (drones, something else), this is hardly true. It's just that the Russians clearly divide everything into ours - not ours, the Israelis are apparently more flexible, they are ready for both ours and yours and to someone else, if only there was a gesheft. This is not so with the Russians, our mentality is not the same. Therefore, our help to Iran, because at the moment they consider it our (ally).
                3. tolancop
                  tolancop 26 November 2015 10: 24
                  +6
                  You will whistle about Israel's refusal to vote against Russia on the Ukrainian question to those who have a bad memory. I can refresh: the Israeli delegation did not vote at all - neither for nor against, did not abstain. If memory serves, then all the diplomats were "on vacation." So, Israel refused to vote on this issue not against Russia, but in general.
                  This is also a position, but do not present it as a favor and support.
                4. S-kerrigan
                  S-kerrigan 26 November 2015 10: 41
                  +7
                  Oh, for half a year I want to ask everyone how a Siberian Jew is a Jew from Israel ...
                  For a moment, let’s assume the probability that Iran recognizes on camera / papers that it is not going to organize a Holocaust or encroach on the current territory of Israel. And that I agree to stop all kinds of jihad ... thereby burying the ax of war.

                  Will your (because my leadership is still in the Kremlin) leadership agree to go to peace?

                  Question without jokes and trolling. Seriously: maybe in the era of general destabilization, it’s worth taking at least some steps towards stopping blood flow?
                5. dirty trick
                  dirty trick 26 November 2015 12: 57
                  +1
                  Quote: Lepila
                  All this time to this day, Russia has been supplying its latest weapons to Iran.

                  delivers. but let me remind you, when Medvedev supported the sanctions on Iran and banned the supply of air defense systems, Iran sued the European Court !!! and that characteristically won!
            2. tajik-airya
              tajik-airya 26 November 2015 17: 05
              11 th
              So for you Turkey is such a "radical Islamic country" as Iran, as for me is Orthodox-xenophobic-fascist Russia and Jewish-Islamophobic Israel?
              1. PSih2097
                PSih2097 26 November 2015 23: 41
                +1
                Quote: tajik-airya
                So for you Turkey is such a "radical Islamic country" as Iran, as for me is Orthodox-xenophobic-fascist Russia and Jewish-Islamophobic Israel?

                hear, dill ... they didn’t give commands ... there was a gas team and a flash on the left, right and in front.
              2. The point
                The point 28 November 2015 13: 31
                0
                Quote: tajik-airya
                Orthodox-xenophobic-fascist Russia

                Dear! You confused Russia with the most European of the countries of Europe. We were not going to drag anyone to the gilyak and are not going to.
            3. padded jacket
              padded jacket 26 November 2015 17: 40
              +2
              Quote: Lepila
              From the moment Perdogan came to power, Turkey became an extremely Islamic state and accordingly took an extremely anti-Israeli position.

              So if he is such an "evil" Islamist why did the Israeli leadership almost kiss him on the lips before? And sold the weapon?
              Israel will modernize the Turkish Air Force
              Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan arrives in Israel for the first time. According to the newspaper Haaretz, among the main issues on the agenda, the conclusion of new arms deals.
              Erdogan arrives in Israel at the head of an extensive delegation including his wife, 4 ministers, 10 parliamentarians and about 100 businessmen. Turkish Defense Minister Vejde Ghonul and his deputy for arms purchases will stay in Israel for an additional two days as guests of their colleagues from the Israeli military.
              http://lenta.ru/news/2005/05/01/erdogan/
              Israel resumes military exports to Turkey
              The Government of Israel approved the delivery of the Turkish Air Force electronic support systems (ESM) for the new Boeing 737 long-range radar detection and control aircraft. IAI).
              http://lenta.ru/news/2013/02/22/exports/
          2. hedgehog in the fog
            hedgehog in the fog 26 November 2015 10: 04
            11
            From time immemorial, the Turks fought with us, always fought. And with Rurikovich, and with the Romanovs, more than 4 centuries, did you really think that some 50 years will change history and Basurman will become friends with us ???
            1. Petrik66
              Petrik66 26 November 2015 12: 22
              +2
              And the British fought the French all the time - so what? After Napoleon, they reconciled and became "friends".
              1. trantor
                trantor 26 November 2015 20: 17
                0
                Quote: Petrik66
                they made up and became "friends".

                Do not make me laugh :)
                It's time to understand that in politics, friends do not exist in principle. Here I "hate" the Anglo-Saxons, but we need to have their philosophy about "common interests" and we take it as a rule.
                Russia has no friends; there are only countries with goals that coincide in a certain period of time.
                And in the West, and in the East, and in the South, including the former republics, only TEMPORARY not even allies eat, but simply TRAVELERS, to whom you can not only turn your back, but also turn sideways.

                It’s good that only relatives in the North are white bears :)
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          3. atalef
            atalef 26 November 2015 11: 49
            +1
            Quote: Mikhail Krapivin
            It is rather strange to hear from Israelis criticism of pro-Israeli Turkey.


            Pro-Israel Turkey? What is this world?
            1. Hello
              Hello 26 November 2015 18: 07
              +1
              Quote: atalef
              Pro-Israel Turkey? What is this world?

              Pro-Israel Turkey sent a pro-Israel peace delegation to pro-Israel Gaza in 2010 along with Mavi Marmara. But the anti-Israeli aggressive Israel did not let the peaceful pro-Israeli flotilla fellow
          4. Rus2012
            Rus2012 26 November 2015 12: 06
            +1
            Quote: Mikhail Krapivin
            It is rather strange to hear from Israelis criticism of pro-Israeli Turkey.

            ...Nothing strange!
            This once again shows how the "promised land" deals with others. You should try to make them companions and use them to the fullest - "in the tail and mane"! laughing

            We need to remember this once again and keep in mind that "there are no allies in politics" - there are only our own interests ... Proceeding from this and act! In relation to the descendants of the Khazars - too. No FEELINGS and EMOTIONS - just usefulness and benefit! laughing bully
            If necessary, "hand them over" for a fee. Aren't they rules for action?
      2. avt
        avt 26 November 2015 10: 19
        +9
        Quote: Lepila
        . The Russians opened their eyes to the essence of the Turkish regime.

        The eyes of the Russians were opened even in the first Chechen campaign against the "brotherly Turkish people", but business with its "nothing personal" is another matter.
        Quote: Lepila
        that the West will open its eyes in the near future.

        Again, they never closed. Want songs? I have them. The provocation with our bomber is very reminiscent of how Saddam asked the US ambassador to attack Kyu-Veit and actually received permission. Chito followed this? “You don’t want to recall everything? Of course, you can immediately say - NATO country! Yes, in fact, Sokil immediately rushed there and rushed with a presentation -“ Brothers will stand up for Dadon! Let's ring the enemy. ” And in response, somehow everything is indistinct, so much so that I had to apologize through clenched teeth. they officially announced that neutrality would be observed in relation to the "Sick Man of Europe" ONLY DURING THE WAR, and then the Germans, wearing fez, were in fact dragged into the war, shelling the Russian coast. Well, then the Entente dismembered the Sublime port. By the way - just for the proposal to consider this issue, Nicholas # 1 was simply attacked in a crowd in the Crimea! Indeed - how is it "the gendarme of Europe", whom the emperor was tearfully begged and persuaded by the Austrian emperor to save his monarchy - to suppress the uprising of the Hungarians, intended to divide, albeit in agreement with them, their prey! wassat The Bolsheviks slept from the final destruction of the country, for which the Turks gave Batum to Soviet Georgia under an agreement with the RSFSR and captured the expression on the face of a resident of the Cheka, Baturin, whose descendant EBN launched into outer space. personal gesheft and Ottoman glitches above good neighborly relations with Russia. Their choice - here Russia can do nothing, but the responsibility for the consequences is theirs too - our business is to warn that the campaign itself has already been done.
      3. g1v2
        g1v2 26 November 2015 15: 18
        +1
        If anything, help to bomb? laughing
      4. vlavek
        vlavek 26 November 2015 16: 09
        -3
        Wasn't Russian Kiselev-TV happy when Erdogan teared his opponents in Tahrir Square with tear gas?
        And now the Kremlin has received its mirror image in Turkey
    2. Turkir
      Turkir 26 November 2015 10: 02
      +3
      And yesterday, there was a message -
      Russian border guards at the Kazbegi-Verkhny Lars checkpoint are blocking the passage of trucks with Turkish numbers through Georgia in transit through Georgia, the VZGLYAD correspondent in Georgia reports referring to Pirveli news agency.
      According to the agency, hundreds of trucks have accumulated on the Georgian border.
  2. populist
    populist 26 November 2015 06: 13
    17
    The development of trade and economic relations with Turkey was a strategic mistake.
    Turkey is a historical enemy of Russia and has proven this many times, even in recent times.
    1. good7
      good7 26 November 2015 06: 36
      -2
      The history of idiots does not teach anything! How could an accomplice of terrorists come to you to open a cathedral mosque? Earlier you had to think with whom to lead friendship!
    2. Darkoff
      Darkoff 26 November 2015 07: 43
      13
      I’ll clarify: investing in the development of the Turkish economy is our main mistake.
      AND WHO CARES NOW EARNLY EARNED TO TURKEY, THAT OFFENSES THE MEMORY OF OUR Fallen MILITARY!
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 26 November 2015 09: 46
        +4
        Quote: DarkOFF
        I’ll clarify: investing in the development of the Turkish economy is our main mistake.

        Even some! We are waiting for foreign investments in our economy, and we are placing our assets abroad. Enemies, you cannot say otherwise.
        . The construction of a 4,8 GW plant with a value of $ 22 billion is the largest contract in Rosatom’s portfolio.
        I don’t understand, we have a surplus in the energy sector or what? Wife to uncle, himself to ... aunt. And the unforgettable Kiriyenko, the most "successful" prime minister of the Yeltsin government, is driving Rosatom. The bastard knows where to invest the loot.
        Turkey also offers meat, dairy products, fish and eggs - in exchange for grain from Russia.
        Here are just grain on the world market convertible goods, in contrast to meat.
      2. uranium
        uranium 26 November 2015 09: 59
        +1
        In such a way you insult our grandfathers while driving in the German automobile industry))))
      3. Turkir
        Turkir 26 November 2015 10: 08
        +2
        investing in the development of the Turkish economy is our main mistake.

        I agree with your opinion.
        It is a pity that many do not understand this. Cheap and service is the main mantra of our opponents. Only limited people can give money to their enemy.
    3. miss-funtik
      miss-funtik 26 November 2015 08: 37
      +2
      But we hope for the best, suddenly wiser. It turns out, the saying also works, the hunchback grave will fix it.
    4. tolancop
      tolancop 26 November 2015 10: 28
      +3
      The development of trade and economic relations with Turkey was not a mistake. On the contrary, they tried to bind the aggressiveness of the Turks by economic interests. And in general, IMHO, it worked. But no one is immune from the "tower breakdown" of the leader. I think from the side of the Turkish business to the address of the "chief" there is a mate-rewind.
      1. Turkir
        Turkir 26 November 2015 13: 58
        +1
        On the contrary, they tried to link the aggressiveness of the Turks with economic interests.

        Probably not intentions are important, but the result. We see him.
        ---------
        Unreliable partner - wants to become a member of the EU and is already a member of NATO. At any time, he can refuse declared intentions. Extremely nationalistic state. It is naive to believe that Erdogan had a tower collapse. What the master ordered, the footman must fulfill. Erdogan footman USA.
        Reliable partner?
    5. syndicalist
      syndicalist 26 November 2015 11: 24
      +1
      Like China
    6. edge
      edge 26 November 2015 15: 13
      0
      Quote: populist
      Turkey is a historical enemy of Russia and has proven it many times

      however, it is also a callus for staffers — they set themselves the task of ruining Turkey, creating puppet regimes and saddling the straits by locking the Black Sea Fleet (and, in the future, destroying) + their usual theme of creating an arc of instability near the borders ....
  3. Vladimir71
    Vladimir71 26 November 2015 06: 16
    16 th
    It is time to think about preventive strikes on NATO military bases. And think more quickly, because they are always waiting for the thunder to strike. It seems that in the future there are no backlogs. Only GDP has it and then in the political sphere ...
    1. st25310
      st25310 26 November 2015 06: 45
      +2
      And what about the strait?
      1. venaya
        venaya 26 November 2015 07: 51
        +1
        st25310 And what about the strait? - There can be only one solution: any way to control! How to implement? More than a millennium has been working on this question, and in each period of time only your own, concrete answer is possible.
        1. Alekseev
          Alekseev 26 November 2015 08: 36
          +4
          Quote: venaya
          And what about the strait?

          Will Turkey close the straits?
          This is war! yes
          So we need to mine the entrance to them, so that neither yours nor ours ... Turks will have a big gesheft from this.
          And help the Kurds. Now the collapse in Syria from the bandits supported by the Turks, and if you make the collapse in the east and south-east of Turkey from the fighting of the detachments of the Kurdish workers' party? wink
          1. Roman Skomorokhov
            Roman Skomorokhov 26 November 2015 14: 56
            +2
            Quote: Alekseev
            Will Turkey close the straits?


            Only after the official declaration of war.
          2. sa-ag
            sa-ag 26 November 2015 19: 10
            0
            Quote: Alekseev
            This is war!

            Why would it, according to the Montreux convention, in a certain situation may well do this and no war, international law however
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 26 November 2015 08: 26
        +2
        Quote: st25310
        And what about the strait?

        Let him first try to block, this is the first. And the second, they think in our General Staff how to deal with the strait.
        1. 25ru
          25ru 26 November 2015 08: 41
          +5
          They have been thinking there for the second hundred years. Look at Tsivinsky's - he thought and planned before WWI, but as usual: everything went wrong. From the side of the Dardanelles, the British and French tried in WWI. The outcome is well known and very sad. Do not overlap for long. Minefields (and if Captors will be thrown in more), RCA in ambushes and DPL in designated areas. Plus to this - mobile coastal SCRC and all covered by 280 tactical fighter-bombers, their own territory, full radar control from the coast and 4 AWACS aircraft on a round-the-clock basis.
          In short, Alexander, think for yourself hi
          1. Alexl
            Alexl 26 November 2015 09: 43
            0
            With one bomb, all this is swept to dust.
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            2. 25ru
              25ru 26 November 2015 18: 52
              0
              Only not by you and not at the time you wish!
              Then another Duremar decided to dream up: but if I had a vigorous loaf, I would have fucked like a tibido !!!
              Young man, the use of the Security Council (this is generally a department of another office) entails both before and after, such a volume of scribble that YOU will self-destruct (and you will consider that you easily got off).
              Then, go under the criminal law. The VP will turn you inside out, and the office will help them. ("People with kind, tired eyes.")
      3. miss-funtik
        miss-funtik 26 November 2015 08: 43
        +2
        And what about the strait? As it was, it will be so. There is a convention of 1936, they can block only in case of war between us.
        1. jovanni
          jovanni 26 November 2015 16: 10
          0
          All of these conventions, covenants, treaties, and such crap are temporary. They live until their violation. And ALWAYS are violated! And now the same states do not bother to comply with various conventions there. When it is profitable for them to violate themselves, and they will allow their lackeys! So the mentioned convention can hardly be an exception ...
          1. 25ru
            25ru 26 November 2015 16: 46
            0
            Quote: Jovanni
            All these conventions, covenants, treaties, and such crap are temporary. They live until their violation. And ALWAYS are violated!

            Well, come on, you share your impressions mm. How did you catch "AGM-84E" or about it:
            A / U / RGM-84D2
        2. sa-ag
          sa-ag 26 November 2015 19: 12
          0
          Quote: miss-funtik
          can block only in case of war between us.

          Not only there
          "Article 21

          In the event that Turkey would consider itself at risk
          immediate military danger, she will be entitled
          apply the provisions of Article 20 of this Convention.
          Warships that, having passed the Straits before use
          Turkey the opportunity provided to it by the preceding paragraph,
          would thus be separated from the ports of their main
          parking may return to these ports. It is agreed, however, that
          Turkey may not allow ships to exercise this right
          state whose position would cause the application of this
          Article.
          If the Turkish government takes the opportunity,
          provided to her by the above paragraph first, she will notify
          this the High Contracting Parties, as well as the General
          League of Nations Secretary.
          If the Council of the League of Nations decides by a two-thirds majority,
          that the measures thus taken by Turkey are not justified and if
          such will likewise be the opinion of most High
          Contracting Parties to this Convention, then
          The Turkish government is obliged to cancel these measures, as well as those
          which would be adopted by virtue of Article 6 of this Convention.
          "

          at stake it's not a war
  4. 25ru
    25ru 26 November 2015 06: 18
    21
    There will be nothing.
    Gazprom watching and Rosatom watching, it seems, have already gone to the GDP and explained on the fingers that there (in Turkey) such dibs are spinning, that one plane, one helicopter and two dead in peacetime are all about nothing.
    No one had a feeling of deja vu? 04.08.1988/25/XNUMX Afghanistan, the Soviet Su-XNUMX shot down by a Pakistani fighter over the territory of Afghanistan. So what? But nothing came.
    Judging by the sharp decline in militancy in official sources of information, everything will be let down on diplomatic "brakes." Well, the Turks will apologize, well, maybe. they will pay some money in compensation. This is where it ends. The pilot and the contract soldier from the PiS group cannot be returned.
    And the lesson itself - they forgot about Afghanistan, it was not necessary to fall into a relaxed state. Tea is not Russia and not air darts.
    IMHO.
    1. ImPerts
      ImPerts 26 November 2015 06: 27
      11
      But did everyone expect a retaliatory strike using nuclear weapons?
      I think and hope that the Kurds will receive what they ask and in Syria they will really create a no-fly zone, at least for the Turkish Air Force, and the Kurds who fought with IS and other radicals will rest in this zone.
      1. Funnels
        Funnels 26 November 2015 07: 53
        13
        The Kurds have already stated that they are ready to fight ISIS together with Russia. It remains to stuff them with weapons, and into battle. And then if the Turks "get caught" then excuse me.
        1. Mikhail Krapivin
          Mikhail Krapivin 26 November 2015 08: 45
          +4
          Quote: Funnels
          The Kurds have already stated that they are ready to fight ISIS together with Russia. It remains to stuff them with weapons, and into battle. And then if the Turks "get caught" then excuse me.


          Your words and Putin's ears!
    2. drunkram
      drunkram 26 November 2015 06: 38
      +4
      I completely agree. Not that half, but a serious share of the blame for the downed Su-24 in the skies over Syria lies with the leadership of the airbase and senior officials, for whom it was a "surprise" ...
      Until the rooster pecked, they were not going to do anything - the bombers flew without cover, now they shot down one and the transfer of attack aircraft and air defense systems to the air base began
      1. washi
        washi 26 November 2015 09: 58
        +4
        Quote: drunkram
        I completely agree. Not that half, but a serious share of the blame for the downed Su-24 in the skies over Syria lies with the leadership of the airbase and senior officials, for whom it was a "surprise" ...
        Until the rooster pecked, they were not going to do anything - the bombers flew without cover, now they shot down one and the transfer of attack aircraft and air defense systems to the air base began

        And from whom were fighters supposed to cover? ISIS did not have aviation and normal air defense. We have signed an agreement with the USA and their coalition! I don’t want to fly.
        Yes, ours were framed, but this is not a special stand (otherwise the crew would have included Muslims from the state. And even better from the Caucasus)
        But this is politics. Now everything is possible.
        You can shoot down any planes that do not warn us about their route in advance. "moderate oppositionists" killed our pilot. You can help the Kurds. It is possible to place the territory around the Turkish Stream under the protection of international forces to prevent terrorist attacks.
        There are many options. We are waiting and avoiding Turkish.
      2. tolancop
        tolancop 26 November 2015 10: 54
        +4
        It’s our tradition to water the military slop in case of failures, a campaign ... And it’s not necessary to include the head.
        "We flew without cover." Who was this cover supposed to be from? From ISIS, about whose aviation something has not been heard so far? Or from the Turks, who actually do not fight with us? Turkey, having shot down our plane in the SYRIAN sky, went to the most serious foreign policy action. And if such a decision was made, then the cover fighters would not have saved our bomber, it would have been shot down anyway.
        Further. It has already been written that the capacity of the air base is limited. If the base can contain 4 planes, then command, if you please, have to solve the problem of the numerical ratio of planes: either 4 bombers without fighters, or 2 + 2 ... in general, the idea is clear. And in general, somehow the economic issue passes by ... If there is no obvious threat to the bomb, but the fighters covering it are essentially flying idle. I do not know the cost of an hour of operation of a fighter, but, I believe, it flies into a penny. T.ch. it may sound cannibalistic, but if you calculate the cost of fighter cover for all Su-24 sorties over the entire duration of their combat work, then they will surely be higher than the cost of a downed bomber. (THE BUDGET IS NOT RUBBER !!!!) In addition, as I wrote above, fighters could not give a 100% guarantee on the shooting of a bomber.

        For the patriotic cries, the financial component of the operation in Syria somehow remains aloof. Any war is MONEY !!! Russia now does not have many, one has to count and choose the best option. He does not always turn out to be as we would like, but this is life ...
        One circumstance always surprises me ... A certain person, planning his personal budget, as a rule (there are exceptions), proceeds from the ratio between WANT and CAN (I WANT to go to the Canary Islands, but I CAN afford only a trip out of town; I WANT "merc "but CAN only buy" logan "etc.) and behaves sanely. But the same person, as soon as he touches the state budget, for some reason loses a reasonable approach: "IT WAS NECESSARY to do this and that", but IS THERE ANY OPPORTUNITY for him there is no question.
        1. lelikas
          lelikas 26 November 2015 11: 57
          +3
          Quote: tolancop
          Watering with military slop in case of failure, a campaign is our tradition ...

          No need to bend the stick - otherwise it will bend and painfully give on the forehead.
          1 - none of our military slops did not water.
          2 - if there is no one to cover from - who was covered before that? remember the reports - escorted bombers fly there, fly here, and then once they announced a "free hunt", for which they received. A fighter would not have saved a bomber from a missile - it would have prevented it from launching or shot down the attachment in response.
          3 - if you did not notice - the operation was prepared not a day or two, or even a month, respectively, and was also financed in advance. Non-foreseeable expenses should also be planned.
          3.1 - the purpose of this operation was not to "cut the dough", as our partners did, so it is not correct to measure everything in money here.
          4 - for a personal budget, I can say - sometimes there is no money, but still you’re buying an unnecessary thing, which then will come in handy anyway. With us, he is already very warped warily.
          5 and the last - that’s why he and the military forum to discuss the actions of our army, there are both experts and amateurs to chat, there is a fifth column, even voluntary moderators, whom no one asked, but they tell everyone how and what to write (do not think about you), such things. hi
          1. tolancop
            tolancop 26 November 2015 14: 51
            +1
            Objections Lelikas
            ".. Do not bend the stick - otherwise it will straighten and hurt your forehead.
            1 - no one poured slops on our military ... "
            .


            I bring a post from Drunkram
            "I completely agree. Not that half, but a serious share of the blame for the downed Su-24 in the skies over Syria lies with the leadership of the air base and the higher ranks, for whom it was a" surprise "...
            Until the rooster pecked, they were not going to do anything - the bombers flew without cover, now one was shot down and the transfer of attack aircraft and air defense systems to the airbase began. "

            No matter how I figure it out, it doesn’t pull on a laudatory recall, and completely on a tub of slops.

            ".. The fighter would not have saved the bomber from the missile - he would not have allowed it to be launched or shot down the attachment in response ..."
            It will not be difficult to explain in more detail how a fighter would have prevented the launch of a rocket by a Turkish fighter, by the way, located in the TURKISH sky. The only way I see is by flipping it. Well, then what? .... From "shooting down the idiot in response" the Su-24 would miraculously rise again ...
            "3 - if you haven't noticed - the operation was not prepared for a day or two or even a month, and accordingly it was also financed in advance. Unforeseen expenses should also be planned ..."
            Good statement. But you only support them my thesis that people who show a reasonable approach to planning their own budget immediately lose a reasonable approach when discussing the state budget. In their personal budget, if there is an opportunity to avoid unnecessary spending, they will definitely do it, but as soon as it comes to the state budget, then the attitude is "hussar-style."
            "..4 - for a personal budget I can say - sometimes there is no money, but you still buy an unnecessary thing, which will come in handy later. We have it, and so it is very strongly skewed towards the military side ..."
            Then about the reasonable planning of a personal budget is clearly not about you. Excuse me.
    3. Oleg14774
      Oleg14774 26 November 2015 08: 44
      +3
      Quote: 25ru
      Judging by the sharp decline in militancy in official sources of information, everything will be let down on diplomatic "brakes."

      So they will show their true face, well, you yourself understand who? Interestingly, if the son of Miller or the Son of the head of the Rosatom banged, what would they do, wipe themselves and continue the business? I think so, but what for then money, if there are no children? For the sake of money, then this is a disease. Do we have sick people in our leadership ?!
      1. guzik007
        guzik007 26 November 2015 08: 53
        +9
        So they will show their true face, well, you yourself understand who? I wonder if the son of Miller or the Son of the head of Rosatom would bang
        -------------------------------------------------
        Do you seriously represent these sons at the controls of combat aircraft?
        It is much easier to see them driving sports cars on the coast of Turkey.
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    4. Alexl
      Alexl 26 November 2015 09: 44
      +1
      In the 88th, Gorbachev ruled, so nothing came of it.
  5. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 26 November 2015 06: 24
    +9
    Quote: Vladimir71
    It's time to think about the preemptive strikes on NATO military bases

    The attack on NATO bases is the beginning of a real war. That's probably why Vladimir71 you are not the Supreme Commander. Better write to McCain everything you think about it.
  6. aszzz888
    aszzz888 26 November 2015 06: 30
    +2
    Ankara receives about 60% of gas consumed from Moscow, and it does not have other sources of this scale, the publication reminds.


    Close all the gates, and they themselves drag on half-bent!
    Wild turkotnya! angry
    1. tolancop
      tolancop 26 November 2015 15: 04
      +2
      CLOSE THE VALVE !!!! And then calculate the lost profits from the unsold export goods, which we do not have very many. And look for the money you have made a gap in the budget from the non-receipt of taxes for this very unsold product.
      A little later, still get fines for non-performance of the contract.

      I don't know if the Turks will be dragged on the half-bent ones, but the above-described "goodies" WE will get in full EXACTLY ...
  7. 25ru
    25ru 26 November 2015 06: 35
    +8
    Quote: rotmistr60

    The attack on NATO bases is the beginning of a real war. That's probably why Vladimir71 you are not the Supreme Commander.

    Well said. Today I talked to my mother (lives in the US), and their hysteria in the media is almost over, the State Department (the same Ministry of Foreign Affairs, only in profile) expressed official condolences to the President of the Russian Federation "in connection with the tragic incident." Obama, IMHO, has already poked Erdogan on the very "mom, do not cry." The states do not need this incident.
  8. Mowgli
    Mowgli 26 November 2015 06: 37
    +2
    State Department spokesman Mark Toner


    His last name: toner, and even easily soiled.
    Dirty everything!
    But with Psaka still can not be compared.
  9. hartlend
    hartlend 26 November 2015 06: 41
    +5
    "Moscow may close business projects, as well as refuse military cooperation with Turkey," Kommersant newspaper reports, citing its sources. According to an unnamed source in the presidential administration, decisions regarding Ankara may be "tough". For example, " Gazprom "is going to assess the feasibility of implementing the Turkish Stream. Rosatom's construction of the Akkuyu NPP in Turkey may also be in question."

    Maybe this, maybe this. An unnamed interlocutor, Kommersant, RBC. More like gypsy fortune-telling.
    1. miss-funtik
      miss-funtik 26 November 2015 08: 52
      +1
      Such issues are not quickly resolved, you need to calculate everything to the smallest detail. Therefore, these conclusions are only estimates.
    2. bastard
      bastard 26 November 2015 10: 05
      +2
      Quote: hartlend
      "Moscow may curtail business projects, as well as refuse military cooperation with Turkey, according to the newspaper" Kommersant "[i] with reference to their sources[/ i]. ... ... ... . For example, "Gazprom" is going to assess the feasibility of the "Turkish Stream". Rosatom's construction of the Akkuyu nuclear power plant in Turkey may also be in question. "

      Maybe this, maybe this. An unnamed interlocutor, Kommersant, RBC. More like gypsy fortune-telling.


      With this money, probably, Russia will build schools, hospitals and kindergartens! belay Oh! Someone's somehow not me. what
  10. 25ru
    25ru 26 November 2015 07: 01
    +3
    Quote: st25310
    And what about the strait?

    You do not.
    Montreux Convention from 21.07.1936. "On the status of the Black Sea straits" (extract):
    In the case of Turkey’s participation in the war, and also if Turkey considers that it is directly threatened by war, it is granted the right to allow or prohibit passage of any military vessels through the straits. During a war in which Turkey is not participating, the straits should be closed to the passage of military vessels of any belligerent nation.
    Turkey has enough strength to close the straits tightly.
    1. washi
      washi 26 November 2015 10: 02
      0
      Quote: 25ru
      Quote: st25310
      And what about the strait?

      You do not.
      Montreux Convention from 21.07.1936. "On the status of the Black Sea straits" (extract):
      In the case of Turkey’s participation in the war, and also if Turkey considers that it is directly threatened by war, it is granted the right to allow or prohibit passage of any military vessels through the straits. During a war in which Turkey is not participating, the straits should be closed to the passage of military vessels of any belligerent nation.
      Turkey has enough strength to close the straits tightly.

      We have enough strength to destroy the straits.
      If our ships are not allowed through them, then they are not needed
  11. kingoff
    kingoff 26 November 2015 07: 14
    -9
    Putin said: "Just let them try to kill Russians in Ukraine!"
    Erdogan said: "Don't bomb the Turkomans, these are our brothers, don't fly near our borders - we'll shoot them down!" Draw conclusions, who keeps their word and who does not.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 26 November 2015 07: 18
      11
      Quote: kingoff
      Putin said: "Just let them try to kill Russians in Ukraine!"

      And what did not fulfill? And who defended Donetsk and Lugansk? Whoever drove Ukrainians into Ilovaisk and Debaltseve can be your militia.
      1. 25ru
        25ru 26 November 2015 07: 24
        +4
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        And what did not fulfill? And who defended Donetsk and Lugansk? Whoever drove Ukrainians into Ilovaisk and Debaltseve can be your militia.

        Romanov, do not "fire up the office." The dillies will begin to quote you.
      2. Alexl
        Alexl 26 November 2015 09: 47
        +4
        And who made the Minsk-1 and Minsk-2 militiamen sign and not respond to the shelling?
        1. Roman Skomorokhov
          Roman Skomorokhov 26 November 2015 15: 00
          0
          Quote: AleksL
          And who made the Minsk-1 and Minsk-2 militiamen sign and not respond to the shelling?


          Shaw, Putin? From it like ...

          I watch how the "censor" was covered, half of them settled here.

          kingoff SU, you feel the difference, it is too late.
          1. sa-ag
            sa-ag 26 November 2015 19: 14
            0
            Quote: Banshee
            Shaw, Putin?

            Oga, "Seven Steps to Peace" appeared during Putin's visit to Beijing
  12. parusnik
    parusnik 26 November 2015 07: 19
    +5
    One thing is clear: there cannot be a single broad coalition to combat IS in the Middle East. ..So it could not have been originally..the parties in the region have different interests ..
  13. kingoff
    kingoff 26 November 2015 07: 35
    -5
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Quote: kingoff
    Putin said: "Just let them try to kill Russians in Ukraine!"

    And what did not fulfill? And who defended Donetsk and Lugansk? Whoever drove Ukrainians into Ilovaisk and Debaltseve can be your militia.


    In Tihari, disowning his soldiers captured. And shoot down a Ukrainian bomber? And to make a no-fly zone over the DPR and LPR? And to conduct a counter-battery war against artillery of the Ukrainian troops?
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 26 November 2015 07: 40
      +2
      Quote: kingoff


      In Tihari, disowning his soldiers captured.

      And how would you like with the unofficial entry of the military.
      Quote: kingoff
      And shoot down a Ukrainian bomber?

      Tell you how many of them were shot down?
      Quote: kingoff
      And to make a no-fly zone over the DPR and LPR?

      It has long been done, Ukrainians no longer want to fly.
      Quote: kingoff
      And to conduct a counter-battery war against artillery of the Ukrainian troops?

      And what was not?
      What else do you want Washington to conquer?
  14. kingoff
    kingoff 26 November 2015 07: 37
    -2
    [/ Quote]
    Romanov, do not "fire up the office." Dillies will begin to quote you. [/ Quote]

    What is there to quote, Strelkov alone is enough to make everything clear.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 26 November 2015 07: 42
      0
      Quote: kingoff
      What is there to quote, Strelkov alone is enough to make everything clear.
      Oh yes especially him.
      Militia DNR: Reply to General Strelkov

      Recently, the former Minister of Defense of our Republic, General Strelkov I.I. gave an interview. I have not the slightest desire to retell it. Who wants to listen to: it is attached to the text. In short: in this interview he said that our army consists of "homeless people", "semi-homeless people", "drug addicts" and "dead souls". He also assumed that our army would be defeated and scattered. To be honest, initially I wanted to answer his words with a big article. Expanded. Soulful. I really wanted to comment in detail on both these and previous statements.

      Full article here
      http://cont.ws/post/151678
  15. kingoff
    kingoff 26 November 2015 07: 42
    -3
    Everything was done under the carpet, bashfully hiding his eyes, and the Turks were knocked down and admitted, that's how it should be done.
    1. Roman Skomorokhov
      Roman Skomorokhov 26 November 2015 15: 07
      0
      Send Erdogan a greeting card.

      I did not understand why you have a Soviet flag, and not a Turkish one? And then, to you, in Kazakhstan, what is the problem with everything? No problem, do you get us to learn?

      Hi Astana.
  16. Bigship
    Bigship 26 November 2015 07: 46
    +5
    Exactly 5 years before the events with the SU-24. Speech by S.A. BAGDASAROVA. The whole truth about Turkey. Everything is clear on the shelves and about Turkey and about Erdogan !!!

  17. kingoff
    kingoff 26 November 2015 07: 46
    0
    Two explicit monarchists do not have a common vision, society is all divided, what kind of Washington?
  18. kingoff
    kingoff 26 November 2015 07: 48
    0
    [quote = BigShip] Exactly 5 years before the events of the SU-24. Speech by S.A. BAGDASAROVA. The whole truth about Turkey. Everything is clear on the shelves and about Turkey and about Erdogan !!!

    Well, the Armenians are now prophets, they will run everywhere and shout "I told you so!"
  19. You will
    You will 26 November 2015 08: 06
    +2
    It is necessary for the Kurds to plant our Russian weapons.
    1. 25ru
      25ru 26 November 2015 08: 18
      -4
      Quote: Vais
      It is necessary for the Kurds to plant our Russian weapons.

      Brilliant!
      Can we immediately throw the S-400 to the savages? And our calculations are heapy, because nomads are more likely to master the AK hardly. And then with condolences (see comments for yesterday, the day before yesterday) we will bury ours, which, of course, are officially not there.
      1. Mikhail Krapivin
        Mikhail Krapivin 26 November 2015 08: 40
        +6
        Quote: 25ru
        Quote: Vais
        It is necessary for the Kurds to plant our Russian weapons.

        Brilliant!
        Can we immediately throw the S-400 to the savages? And our calculations are heapy, because nomads are more likely to master the AK hardly. And then with condolences (see comments for yesterday, the day before yesterday) we will bury ours, which, of course, are officially not there.


        Do not underestimate the Kurds, they are very competent fighters. They have been fighting on equal terms with the Turkish army for 25 years, despite the fact that the army has what kind of supplies and what they have. Kurds would have weapons, modern and powerful, and the Turkish army would have no time to engage in garbage, everyone would be at work.
      2. Turkir
        Turkir 26 November 2015 10: 24
        +3
        Since when did the Kurds suddenly become savages and nomads ??
        --------
        You read comments - you are simply amazed.
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 26 November 2015 08: 41
      -5
      Quote: Vais
      It is necessary for the Kurds to plant our Russian weapons.

      A strong power differs from shit in that it solves its problems itself, without attracting to its side the hell knows who.
      1. Mikhail Krapivin
        Mikhail Krapivin 26 November 2015 08: 49
        +5
        This is you tell the states. They are a strong country, objectively. But they surrounded themselves with hell knows who and behind the shield of these hell knows who they are now sitting, like behind a stone wall. And these hell knows who for them chestnuts from fire drag teeth with their teeth only. Isn't this the truth about the home?
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          1. Mikhail Krapivin
            Mikhail Krapivin 26 November 2015 10: 09
            +3
            Test photo :) In general, I had in mind not only the bearded friends of America. They made 90% of the planet work for themselves. God forbid, tear. But if the interests of Russia were a bit defended by the Kurds, heaven on earth would certainly not have collapsed.
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    1. Cap.Morgan
      Cap.Morgan 26 November 2015 09: 55
      -6
      Apparently your banner is red, and your dream is to entangle Russia with a thorn with towers in the corners and shepherds around the perimeter.
      So start with yourself. Eat according to the rules of rationing on cards - 500 g of bread, 100 g of jam ... there are some vobla, a couple of pieces. Immediately the brains will be cleaned.
    2. Funnels
      Funnels 26 November 2015 11: 35
      +3
      Excuse me, where were you from August 19 to August 21, 1991? In Russia, it’s always like this: while everyone in power is singing praises, they’ve died with buckets. Do you want the GDP to officially and publicly express everything about the EBN. What is said and written on our website, for example?
  21. Mikhail Krapivin
    Mikhail Krapivin 26 November 2015 08: 36
    +7
    There are concepts that cannot be measured in monetary terms, assessed in terms of benefits and losses. For example, national pride, honor of the Armed Forces, betrayal, stab in the back. It's not up to us to decide, but for me, it's better to lose billions of profits and such a sworn "friend" than to pretend that nothing terrible has happened and continue to live as if nothing had happened. And our tourists will find new resorts, and there will be a replacement for Turkish fruits. And let them build nuclear power plants for themselves.
  22. Boris55
    Boris55 26 November 2015 08: 48
    -1
    2013.05.16 - Turkey should fulfill the role of Nazi Germany: http://mediamera.ru/post/24413

  23. guzik007
    guzik007 26 November 2015 09: 00
    +2
    to solve the problem of relations with the Turks is quite simple and difficult at the same time. Everything must be done so that the farther leaves with a bang.
    1. Introduce strict sanctions on trade relations (temporarily)
    2. Close tour trips (temporarily)
    3. Military assistance to the Kurds
    4. Powerful indoctrination of the population - look, it will hit your pockets while the perfume is in power!
    And wait for the results. Believe me, the Turks in the bulk of Ohddog Khan are not happy.
  24. kingoff
    kingoff 26 November 2015 09: 02
    0
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    A strong power differs from shit in that it solves its problems itself, without attracting to its side the hell knows who.


    I agree, for example, Basayev was dragged against the Georgians, and then he turned around and began to bite his masters and, so hard, apparently, he was well trained.
  25. Stepan stepanovich
    Stepan stepanovich 26 November 2015 09: 03
    +1
    Author, joker!
    Turkey and Russia: an Unbecoming Future


    The Russian ambassador to France, Alexander Orlov, said the Kremlin was ready to create a joint command center with France, the United States and other countries.
    Answering the question whether Moscow would agree to Turkey's participation in this work, he noted: "If they want, of course, we will be glad to see them."

    then
    Turkey said it was ready for any military cooperation with Russia


    Everything will be a bunch!
    Russia and Turkey friendship forever!
    True, now you can’t touch the Turkish bearded bandits, and they will not be allowed to fly nearby without coordination ...
  26. kingoff
    kingoff 26 November 2015 09: 08
    -1
    Quote: Stepan Stepanovich
    Author, joker!
    Turkey and Russia: an Unbecoming Future


    True, now you can’t touch the Turkish bearded bandits, and they will not be allowed to fly nearby without coordination ...


    Did the Turks not immediately talk about this? Didn’t they call the ambassador, didn’t give a note of protest? He who has ears, let him hear.
  27. Chulman
    Chulman 26 November 2015 09: 42
    +1
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Quote: kingoff
    Putin said: "Just let them try to kill Russians in Ukraine!"

    And what did not fulfill? And who defended Donetsk and Lugansk? Whoever drove Ukrainians into Ilovaisk and Debaltseve can be your militia.

    Quote: 25ru
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    And what did not fulfill? And who defended Donetsk and Lugansk? Whoever drove Ukrainians into Ilovaisk and Debaltseve can be your militia.

    Romanov, do not "fire up the office." The dillies will begin to quote you.

    Who defended? Who drove whom? Do not tell p .... she is already so funny !!!!!!!
    1. Cap.Morgan
      Cap.Morgan 26 November 2015 10: 00
      -1
      Donetsk is not only not taken, but there is not even a hint of the fall of Donbass.
      The Arctic fox, a small northern animal, will very soon be met in Kiev.
      In the form of another rebellion of local banderlogs.
  28. Mikhail Krapivin
    Mikhail Krapivin 26 November 2015 10: 15
    0
    Yes, here we have an uprising of sergeant-elders. And then they’re wrong, and this is not good, and Putin is a bastard, of course. Just a little more and the echo of the matzah will turn out.
  29. Tatyana_VV
    Tatyana_VV 26 November 2015 10: 17
    +2
    First, we will take out tourists, gradually reducing trade and avoiding high-level meetings. In the meantime, we will strengthen the grouping, yes, and with the S-400. Then we’ll spread everything off the border on the Syrian side (so far the information is not too confirmed). Let's help the Kurds, recall the Armenian Genocide. So kind of?
  30. Rezistant
    Rezistant 26 November 2015 10: 20
    0
    What else to worry about Turkey, with which Russia fought six times? Now that we are literally surrounded by enemies, it doesn’t matter who else joins them. It is necessary to occupy a circular defense.
    1. Roman Skomorokhov
      Roman Skomorokhov 26 November 2015 15: 11
      +1
      Quote: Rezistant
      It is necessary to occupy all-round defense.


      "We were surrounded? But now you can attack in any direction!" (C)
    2. populist
      populist 26 November 2015 22: 17
      +1
      Rezistant
      with which Russia fought six times?

      I clarify - fought 13 times
      https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A0%D1%83%D1%81%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE-%D1%82%D1%83%

      D1%80%D0%B5%D1%86%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B9%D0%BD%D1%8B
  31. kingoff
    kingoff 26 November 2015 10: 27
    -2
    Quote: Mikhail Krapivin
    Yes, here we have an uprising of sergeant-elders. And then they’re wrong, and this is not good, and Putin is a bastard, of course. Just a little more and the echo of the matzah will turn out.


    But the fast-witted ones quickly make a career, those who speak not in the general stream are negative, everything is logical.

    Marshal of the sofa troops is of course the dream of a lifetime)))).
    1. Roman Skomorokhov
      Roman Skomorokhov 26 November 2015 15: 11
      0
      Well, you probably get it. But - at home, in Kazakhstan.
  32. ksv36
    ksv36 26 November 2015 10: 30
    0
    It was necessary to write in the title # Erdogan
  33. kingoff
    kingoff 26 November 2015 10: 30
    0
    Quote: Rezistant
    It is necessary to occupy all-round defense.


    With whom are you going to occupy a circular defense? With a liberal wing in government? With informals? With youth who have slanted from the army?
    1. Roman Skomorokhov
      Roman Skomorokhov 26 November 2015 15: 12
      +1
      With Kazakhstani Internet special forces in your face.
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  35. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 26 November 2015 11: 39
    0
    Yes, everything is fine, they have already reconciled. Now people will start to blow in the ears that everything is fine, in a month everyone will forget. New Year in Turkey, millions of dear Russians, Natasha herds, everything is as usual.
  36. Belousov
    Belousov 26 November 2015 11: 46
    +2
    Putin’s choice is very simple. Or lose money, but seem like a real leader in the eyes of the people or support the money of Gazprom, Sber, Lukoil, Rosatom and other freedman in Turkey and lose all kinds of merits, including Crimea. So let's see what he chooses.
  37. olimpiada15
    olimpiada15 26 November 2015 12: 17
    +2
    My couch opinion
    The point is not only that Russia has fought against the Turks for centuries, and Turkey has contributed to the tragedy of the Chechen war, and now, without exaggeration, Turkey is one of the main parents and educators of Igil.
    It is not a matter of the tragedy with our pilots, the fact is that dismembering Syria is Turkey’s task and babbling about joint actions in the fight against Isil is an excuse for countering the Russian Federation in its fight against terrorism.
    Still, terrorism is a more profitable business than mutually beneficial trading projects.
    1) It is necessary to expel Turkish business from Russia. In any case, Turkish business is a hotbed of terrorism in the country. Under the guise of specialists, they arrive in Russia, including and terrorists are engaged in the creation of terrorist cells, and just a crime. We simply are not able to separate one from the other because of the language barrier.
    2) Turkish fruits and vegetables can be replaced with Iranian ones with delivery through the Caspian Sea.
    3) The creation of the state of Kurdistan must be promoted, the Kurds will always oppose Islamic extremism - this is vital for them. But Russia needs to avoid religious extremism.
  38. Fastenkov
    Fastenkov 26 November 2015 14: 47
    +3
    The Turk did not always love. For personal reasons. It turns out he was right, alas.
    Russia and Turkey need to trade. This would be the ideal scenario. The current situation has an extremely negative impact on the economy and geopolitics of the Russian Federation. The entire "civilized world" applauds Erdogan, who has put in place the presumptuous Russians. This is a normal reaction.
    And the ordinary Europeans do not care about the Russian plane, since it was reported from the box that the wild Turks did not share the sky with the wild Russians, and this does not concern us. They quarreled us well.
    It is necessary right now to give a tough answer to the Turks, as many experts suggest, and then go on rapprochement. Better without Erdogan. If we bring the military operation to its logical end and settle in Syria for a long time, then the Turks themselves will begin to offer friendship. These are people who love only money. Faith can only not be sold, but we do not need this.
  39. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 26 November 2015 15: 13
    0
    We quietly, quietly, go down the hill and ...... the whole herd.
    "39 Turkish citizens detained at an agricultural exhibition in Krasnodar
    All of them will be expelled from Russia for violation of migration legislation. "Http://www.yugopolis.ru/news/social/2015/
    11/26/88482 / migr
    acionnoe-zakonodatelstvo-ufms-turciya-uog-agro
  40. Geser
    Geser 26 November 2015 15: 25
    +1
    Russia should be given a tough answer to the treacherous attack on our plane, otherwise they will simply stop respecting us. Especially if we, for the sake of some interests, let this matter slip on the brakes. If this happens, then our planes will continue to shoot down, even at the risk of running into our air defense and fighter jets. You can’t even talk about the loss of respect in the world and prestige. Full-scale economic sanctions should be introduced against Turkey, with the closure of our market for Turkish goods and businesses. It is necessary to stop the supply of our gas and energy to Turkey, let the Turks ask LNG from the Yankees at the direction of which they shot down our plane. It should be requested that the F-16 pilot who shot down our plane go to a duel with our fighter. And if he refuses - then he will completely disgrace himself and Turkey.
    1. Fastenkov
      Fastenkov 26 November 2015 17: 26
      0
      We can afford moral categories as an end in itself. In matters of state, I believe, respect should be converted into concrete benefits for the country. What's the use of the whole world singing "Ave Rus" in chorus?
      No, really. What weakens us economically is beneficial to our enemy! And here the main task of the country's leadership is to pass between the raindrops, remaining dry. And to give an answer, and to satisfy the internal electorate, and not to undermine the economy. A good test of professionalism.
  41. 25ru
    25ru 26 November 2015 16: 16
    0
    Quote: Vasya
    We have enough strength to destroy the straits.
    If our ships are not allowed through them, then they are not needed

    Of course not needed. He managed to dunk in the atomic flame - quickly, quickly, mercilessly, mercilessly. And Vasya in the first line.
    Vasya! So you are a genius with us, in terms of a kind of interpretation of the NPVBD (who else would have introduced you to this document?). EMNIP, "stamp" of the blue book - OV-1.
  42. kingoff
    kingoff 26 November 2015 17: 03
    -3
    Quote: Banshee
    Send Erdogan a greeting card.

    I did not understand why you have a Soviet flag, and not a Turkish one? And then, to you, in Kazakhstan, what is the problem with everything? No problem, do you get us to learn?

    Hi Astana.


    Do you have camouflage for a show or serve? Yes, just too close friends with you, it seems that in vain.
  43. partizan86
    partizan86 26 November 2015 17: 04
    0
    They can block the straits only formally, because merchant ships access will be open.
    And Club-K can be on any, even an American container ship :)
    1. 25ru
      25ru 26 November 2015 17: 58
      +1
      They can. This is a problem since the 18th century.
      Territorial waters of Turkey. You have a poor idea of ​​loading containers of international standard 463L and transporting them by sea. At leisure, love the number of ships detained in Turkey.
  44. kingoff
    kingoff 26 November 2015 17: 05
    -2
    Quote: Banshee
    With Kazakhstani Internet special forces in your face.


    Well, certainly not with you, I think we are wearing a camouflage in retirement?
  45. kingoff
    kingoff 26 November 2015 17: 08
    -1
    Quote: Banshee
    Well, you probably get it. But - at home, in Kazakhstan.


    What phrases are scanty, SMS or something? Is there anything to say in the case?
    If not, then around, step march, continue to thump.
  46. 25ru
    25ru 26 November 2015 17: 42
    +1
    Quote: AleksL
    With one bomb, all this is swept to dust.

    For especially gifted idiots - a masterpiece option.
  47. mamont5
    mamont5 26 November 2015 18: 04
    +1
    "The contract between Russia and Turkey for the construction of the Akkuyu nuclear power plant may also be in jeopardy. The construction of a 4,8 GW plant at a cost of $ 22 billion is the largest contract in Rosatom's portfolio."

    But an interesting question - Does Russia need this project? Not to Rosatom, but to Russia? This is an extra competitor for us. In which case, gas can be limited, and you can’t just close the nuclear power plant.
  48. Stilet
    Stilet 26 November 2015 18: 29
    0
    "Moscow can curtail business projects, and also refuse military cooperation with Turkey." In general, everything is clear ... As always, they threatened with a child's fist. And my question is, how long does it take to give an order to cancel all relations with the Turks? Yes, probably about a month, and there is a New Year, the people are swelling and everyone will slowly start to forget the killed Russian pilots and marines. And what to say about them, they were awarded the same ... posthumously, all honor in honor. Women give birth to new ones. Eh-eh! Blood in exchange for money has already become the norm. I repeat, they kill our military and show the whole world how, and we we can prohibit the import of tomatoes. That's right, let's continue to wait for something like that, we can make formidable faces and puff out cheeks! Sulking, sulking and .... exhaled. And then they sighed. And that’s all ... I’m probably speaking rudely, but outwardly our reaction to this out of the ordinary situation looks very sluggish and not tough, although there are many levers. Our guys are sorry. All. You can minus.
    1. Tatyana_VV
      Tatyana_VV 26 November 2015 19: 03
      +2
      Medvedev will prepare an economic response in two days. The S-400 has already been deployed. Tourists will return in a week and a half. "We'll see."
  49. 25ru
    25ru 26 November 2015 19: 19
    +1
    Quote: Vasya
    We have enough strength to destroy the straits.
    If our ships are not allowed through them, then they are not needed

    Vasya, Vasya - it's hard to swim without arms and legs in sulfuric acid! What can I tell you (to explain - the clinic) Well, model how our BALT BLACK SEA Navy carried out an operational deployment in the Mediterranean Sea and from the Caspian Sea and the Black Sea, a force group (which is not by definition) was covered by a force. Vasya, can we get drunk for your beloved Putler? Let theoretical enemies be afraid?
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