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State Department: Syrian opposition could open fire on Russian pilots in self-defense

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The State Department does not exclude that Syrian Turkmen opened fire on the ejection Russian pilots in order to protect themselves, reports RIA News statement by the representative of the Office of Mark Toner.




To the question “how do you assess the actions of the Syrian Turkmen who fired at the ejected pilots of the Russian Su-24,” Toner replied:
"If the Turkmen forces were attacked by Russian air strikes, they could defend themselves."


To another journalist's question, “can one consider self-defense shooting at unarmed pilots who ejected with parachutes,” the State Department spokesman answered: "There is no clear understanding of what really happened there."

On Tuesday, the Russian Su-24 bomber was shot down over Syria by a missile from the Turkish F-16 and fell in 4-km from the border with Turkey.

According to the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, "the crew of the aircraft ejected, according to preliminary data, one pilot was killed in the air by fire from the ground."
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  1. sever.56
    sever.56 25 November 2015 11: 02
    116
    Orenets can be from the cynicism of the Americans !!! This is how much you need to be the last bastard and scum, arguing that the shooting of almost unarmed pilots in the air is self-defense ... !!! I would like to see their reaction, if their pilot were in such a situation. Dirty, mean little souls !!!
    1. KAV
      KAV 25 November 2015 11: 04
      25
      Well, of course. There is no clear understanding of what happened, but something cannot be taken out of oneself without this ...
      Already got these brainless dolls ...
      1. Baikonur
        Baikonur 25 November 2015 11: 05
        17
        You would also say: "They shot themselves! You know that the Russians do not surrender!"

        U .... ki!
        1. Temples
          Temples 25 November 2015 11: 07
          18
          So there is already such a version!
          Here somewhere on the forum someone already wrote.
          I'll try to find now ...

          You just need to burn out the whole terrain there.
          Americans in their comments justify the actions of terrorists.
          Actually sided with the terrorists in this war.
          1. lelikas
            lelikas 25 November 2015 11: 15
            10
            Quote: Temples
            So there is already such a version!
            Here somewhere on the forum someone already wrote.

            He has everything hanging in his blood - shot in bursts?
            As soon as they find the second pilot - roll everyone into pebbles.
            1. aktanir
              aktanir 25 November 2015 11: 26
              20
              We found a second pilot, he is already at our air base, the Syrian special forces rescued him. Now it is possible, with a clear conscience, to destroy all the bearded who are in the area of ​​the plane crash site, especially those who, by their own inborn stupidity, managed to light up on frames with the killed Russian pilot. Their diagnosis is a suicide nerd.
              In vain the Turks did not answer properly. These are Asian people, hot-tempered and hot. Economic sanctions for them will turn into a slight startle. They have such a mentality, they must be really beaten and punished for misconduct, so that they begin to respect and fear. And these are not empty words. Asians recognize only power! By chatter and sanctions they cannot be appeased.
              1. zanoza
                zanoza 25 November 2015 11: 34
                20
                A.V. Suvorov beat the Turks perfectly!
                1. Cap-3 USSR
                  Cap-3 USSR 25 November 2015 12: 02
                  +4
                  And we also helped them in the Bosphorus, when England pressed them. We sent a fleet to help them.
                  Turks they are Turks.
                  They want to feel like lions in the region, only those who behave like a jackal will never become a lion.
                2. 1rl141
                  1rl141 25 November 2015 12: 55
                  +4
                  Yesterday, November 24.11, was the birthday of A.V. Suvorov.
                  Turks, I wonder, do they remember that?
              2. Lelek
                Lelek 25 November 2015 12: 06
                +4
                Quote: aktanir
                By chatter and sanctions they cannot be appeased.


                Truly so. IMHO, declare a section of the Syrian-Turkish border between the Syrian armed forces and Kurdish rebels as a no-fly zone and shoot down all planes not belonging to Syria and Russia there. Turn this section into the desert and close tightly (this is somewhere around 90 km of the border). Organize all possible assistance to the Kurdish formations. And most importantly, without regrets, destroy the oil caravans of the IG. yes
              3. just exp
                just exp 25 November 2015 12: 08
                +1
                these scum tortured our pilot along the way, that's what our ambassador in France brought
                One of those on board was wounded while descending with a parachute and killed wildly on earth by jihadists
              4. gergi
                gergi 25 November 2015 18: 18
                0
                Do not rush things, maybe some missile will go astray. You never know what, it will fall at the Turkish airbase. Well, it happens, excuse me, we will no longer and less too.
            2. Letun
              Letun 25 November 2015 11: 26
              +5
              Quote: lelikas
              As soon as they find the second pilot - roll everyone into pebbles.

              They write on RBC that our ambassador in France (!) Confirmed the information about the rescue of the second pilot. True, and here the ambassador to France, I honestly can not understand.
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                1. severniy
                  severniy 25 November 2015 11: 32
                  0
                  Far from aviation, who knows, flyers at bailout have no way to make a long jump? More and more chances in this situation ...
                  1. Alexei
                    Alexei 25 November 2015 11: 55
                    +2
                    Quote: severniy
                    Far from aviation, who knows, flyers at bailout have no way to make a long jump? More and more chances in this situation ...

                    And I'm far away, but something tells me that the parachute jumps out automatically, because the pilot may lose consciousness during the bailout.
                  2. Alim-1975
                    Alim-1975 25 November 2015 12: 00
                    +7
                    This possibility does not exist, because Bailouts can occur at extremely low altitudes and even from the ground. The pilot experiences tremendous overload when shooting a seat. The parachute opens automatically.
                  3. 1rl141
                    1rl141 25 November 2015 16: 22
                    0
                    The operation of the catapult is fully automated, regardless of who pulled the handle of the catapult, both pilots catapult (where the crew is 2 people of course). And fly out of the cockpit with the seat. Under the seat of the squib, which fires. The automatics work in such a way that even if the pilot did not lower the helmet glass before bailout, a small squib will fire on the helmet, which lowers the glass. The catapult throws the pilot 100 meters and the parachute opens automatically.
                    There was a case when the MiG 31 immediately after takeoff due to a pilot error began to fall. The height was 50 meters and the navigator pulled the catapult when the plane was upside down. Both pilots died with their heads stuck in the ground.
              2. just exp
                just exp 25 November 2015 12: 10
                0
                he means there was such information, he shared it, along with our opinion on this issue.
          2. afdjhbn67
            afdjhbn67 25 November 2015 11: 16
            11
            Quote: Temples
            You just need to burn out the whole terrain there.

            good Totally - all the villages and everything more or less valuable in the whole district, so that there would be a lesson to all as edification - blood for blood, they only understand this ..
            1. pilot8878
              pilot8878 25 November 2015 11: 25
              27
              E. Ya. Satanovsky yesterday proposed near the border to make a well-fried rosy cake with a crust, destroying any movement to / from the border. Spirits have the right to shoot pilots, we have the right to shoot spirits. Who shot from the village - get it and sign it.
              And a bonus - to help the Kurds in their "RIGHT TO SELF-DETERMINATION".
          3. severniy
            severniy 25 November 2015 11: 29
            +3
            Quote: Temples
            So there is already such a version!
            Here somewhere on the forum someone already wrote.
            I'll try to find now ...

            You just need to burn out the whole terrain there.
            Americans in their comments justify the actions of terrorists.
            Actually sided with the terrorists in this war.

            With uv. hi
            Baluevsky said well: Military force had to be used specifically at the moment when the attack on the plane took place. Now, military force will need to be used based on the results of events. If they do not return this pilot, if they destroy him, then everything must be mixed. Then - the scorched earth tactics. No mercy!
            1. Ze Kot
              Ze Kot 25 November 2015 11: 40
              +2
              Quote: severniy
              Baluevsky said well: Military force had to be used specifically at the moment when the attack on the plane took place.



              I said something like that yesterday. So everyone pounced on me that this should not be done in any case.
          4. Vadim237
            Vadim237 25 November 2015 11: 29
            +4
            All this area had to be burned out last night, so that the glow could be seen in Ankara.
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        3. Now we are free
          Now we are free 25 November 2015 11: 19
          12
          You should not even be offended at the "Talking Heads" from the State Department, because it is stupid to take offense at an autoinformer (though broken).
          The question now is different, knowing the pernicious attraction (on the verge of pathology) of the Turkish Air Force to bomb the Kurds and simply "Wrong" with air flights to Syrian territory, I think Yo ... for the next "Lost" falcon of Erdogan already over the territory of Syria, our VKS will literally days. For Turkey can no longer stop bombing the Kurds / suffer from topographic cretinism / bully the Syrians ... The question is what "Baboon" will fly when on the ground of Syria, several kilometers or even dozens of F-16 or F-4 debris are filmed Turkish Air Force. -TURKEY HAS THE RIGHT TO PROTECT ITS AIRSPACE There are no questions, because -SYRIA HAS THE RIGHT TO PROTECT ITS AIR SPACE.
          The 300-ki of "Moscow" are already ransacking with their locators almost the entire border of Syria and Turkey. There is an opinion that 400 "non-existent" in Syria from the base in Latakia have also joined.
          So what are waiting "King-bird song" on the net and see how she- "ObamDogan" sings ...

          P.S. Favorite movie of my childhood (albeit Turkish), especially the main actress there liked bully
        4. Good me
          Good me 25 November 2015 11: 20
          +2
          To the question “how do you assess the actions of the Syrian Turkmen who fired at the ejected pilots of the Russian Su-24,” Toner replied:
          "If the Turkmen forces were attacked by Russian air strikes, they could defend themselves."

          To the journalist’s other question, “Is shooting at unarmed pilots who parachuted” can be considered self-defense, the State Department spokesman replied: “there is no clear understanding of what really happened there”.


          Yes, a terrible threat posed to the US-sponsored "moderate" bearded pilots who descended on parachutes and had only the Komar beacon, NAZ, and PM in their "arsenal" ...
        5. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 25 November 2015 11: 42
          15
          The US forgot to sign.ADDITIONAL PROTOCOL TO THE GENEVA CONVENTIONS
          OF AUGUST 12, 1949 CONCERNING THE PROTECTION OF VICTIMS
          INTERNATIONAL ARMED CONFLICT.
          (PROTOCOL I)
          PROTOCOL
          June 8, 1977 Article 42
          Persons on board aircraft

          1. Not a single person leaving a parachute flying machine,
          distressed, not attacked during his descent
          to the ground.
          2. The person who left the aircraft with a parachute, suffering
          disaster upon landing in nasty controlled territory
          the party is given the opportunity to surrender before it
          will become an object of attack if it does not become obvious that it
          commits a hostile action.

          http://www.businesspravo.ru/Docum/DocumShow_DocumID_33518.html
          1. SibSlavRus
            SibSlavRus 25 November 2015 11: 57
            +5
            Sorry, dear forum users for my critical attitude to the Kremlin, but the question cannot be understood: why isn’t the moon landscape at the place of the death of our pilot ?! And why do the herds of Turkoman continue to exist?
            Has the Kremlin still been sick of building an altruist and philanthropist, an adherent of the fettering international (?) Law?
            1. Now we are free
              Now we are free 25 November 2015 12: 05
              +6
              Quote: SibSlavRus
              Sorry, dear forum users for my critical attitude to the Kremlin, but the question cannot be understood: why isn’t the moon landscape at the place of the death of our pilot ?! And why do the herds of Turkoman continue to exist?
              Has the Kremlin still been sick of building an altruist and a philanthropist?

              Greetings Sash hi
              Didn't you think that the "Lunar Landscape" in return could appear in hotels with our 10 thousand tourists who are now in Turkey? ..
              All in good time, we will take all the Genes and Vovanov back to their native Tagil and then at least draw "Martian landscapes" wink
              1. 341712
                341712 25 November 2015 12: 31
                0
                Quote: Now we are free
                to native Tagil


                I'm at home ... And Uncle Vova is nearby ... you can draw
                PS: And leave Gena with Vovan there ...
              2. SibSlavRus
                SibSlavRus 25 November 2015 15: 06
                +2
                Greetings! Of course, your truth! Even if our EMERCOM forces within a day began a mass evacuation of citizens of the Russian Federation, you can imagine the PANIC LEVEL IN TURKEY! And in NATO?
                Our simply wouldn’t be let out. The Ottoman imagination would have drawn nuclear mushrooms, and now it’s just a stupor from visible socio-economic disasters and a willingness to reconcile with Kurdistan (at least the Soviet leaders considered this option).
                Now only Russia can ask the Turks on historical accounts. Especially when in response to "the outstretched hand was struck in the back."

                Nevertheless, I believe that in response to eastern villainy, we have enough strength, money and will to engage in full contact battle in the international ring. The winner gets everything (whatever he wants)!
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            3. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 25 November 2015 12: 10
              +3
              Quote: SibSlavRus
              with: why isn’t the lunar landscape at the place of the death of our pilot?

              Judging by reports from there, in that place right now, bomb bombers are putting the landscape in order.
              1. Trailer
                Trailer 25 November 2015 13: 33
                0
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Judging by reports from there, in that place right now, bomb bombers are putting the landscape in order.


                Can I link to at least one such message?
            4. just exp
              just exp 25 November 2015 12: 13
              0
              and you were in those places that so sharply claim that the Turkmens only gingerbread from the sky after that poured?
          2. Rokossovsky
            Rokossovsky 25 November 2015 12: 04
            0
            USA forgot to sign

            Alexander, how long have Americans begun to reckon with international documents? hi
          3. Now we are free
            Now we are free 25 November 2015 12: 08
            +1
            hi Sasha!
            Bold plus for the info!
            I poke her familiar "Liverals" in the face ...
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 25 November 2015 12: 14
              +1
              Quote: Now we are free
              I poke her familiar "Liverals" in the face ...

              And then with a foot in the face hi
              Quote: Rokossovsky
              Alexander, how long have Americans begun to reckon with international documents?

              I'm talking about the fact
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          5. Baloo
            Baloo 25 November 2015 17: 24
            0
            I think the pilot was injured in a rocket. In any case, for some time he was clearly lying face down or on his left side. On the left, it can get into the spleen or kidney, on the right with damage to the subclavian or brachial artery.
        6. Sasha 19871987
          Sasha 19871987 25 November 2015 11: 53
          -2
          in self-defense, it’s high time to give a nuclear club to American cabbage soup ... do their representatives generally read the text before trying to communicate with the press?
      2. Siberian1965
        Siberian1965 25 November 2015 11: 21
        +7
        The American talking heads are not brainless dolls, they are cynical ye..i. Somewhere, it was already proposed to multiply the Turkmen who shot the pilots by zero. I fully support. I wonder why this has not been done so far.
    2. 79807420129
      79807420129 25 November 2015 11: 05
      11
      For the purpose of self-defense, I knew that the mattresses were stupid, but not the same, pilots fired from catapults or something, they were cheap and they would always be cheap.
      1. Wild_grey_wolf
        Wild_grey_wolf 25 November 2015 11: 12
        +5
        it is very surprising when statements are made to Russia - they have a clear understanding of what has happened from social networks and who is to blame, but here there is no clear understanding and there is one lowing. . . rude words only enter my head. . . according to HOLLYWOOD, after all, you have super intelligence, super weapons, super optics, you are the most on the planet. . . and here a little that there is NO clear understanding and lowing?
      2. NEXUS
        NEXUS 25 November 2015 11: 25
        +4
        Quote: 79807420129
        For the purpose of self-defense, I knew that the mattresses were stupid, but not the same, pilots fired from catapults or something, they were cheap and they would always be cheap.

        It’s just that they are not stupid in this case, but very intelligibly and rudely turn the situation in their favor, so that we wipe ourselves away, and the whole world decides that it was so ... Nobody canceled the information component of the war.
        That is why, at all levels, our diplomats and politicians say that the bomber was shot down over Syrian territory, that the F-16 pilot saw who was in front of him. This is purely planned diversion. We were punished for our carelessness. The bomber should not fly without cover, We ignored Erdogan’s statements that he would shoot down our planes and paid for it. Although it was at that moment when such statements were made, it was necessary to hastily strengthen the fighter component of the airborne forces in Syria and close the borders for our tourists to travel .
    3. vkl-47
      vkl-47 25 November 2015 11: 07
      +2
      masters and champions in idiocy distinguished themselves again. well, how can one characterize their intellect without a mat? in Russian they are just dolba.
    4. 222222
      222222 25 November 2015 11: 12
      +3
      ! "" "State Department: Syrian oppositionists could open fire on Russian pilots in self-defense !!" "
      ..as always just brilliant ,, !!!
      ... true "defending Turks" (according to the State Department's terminology) ..fired a Russian plane into the right rear hemisphere ..
      ..He (Russian SU_24) that assaulted the Turks? laughing
      1. Air Force captain
        Air Force captain 25 November 2015 11: 15
        +1
        Quote: 222222
        ! "" "State Department: Syrian oppositionists could open fire on Russian pilots in self-defense !!" "
        ..as always just brilliant ,, !!!
        ... true "defending Turks" (according to the State Department's terminology) ..fired a Russian plane into the right rear hemisphere ..
        ..He (Russian SU_24) that assaulted the Turks? laughing

        ..and what made you so amused in this situation?
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      3. Lelek
        Lelek 25 November 2015 12: 20
        0
        Quote: 222222
        .He (Russian SU_24) that ass attacked the Turks?


        Yes, everyone, even the hedgehog, understands the situation. It’s just that everyone (USA, UN, NATO, EU) pretends to be ropes, build eyebrows with a house and mumble something unintelligible since they took ... hard steps from Russia.
        But we need to calculate our actions 100 steps forward and act in such a way that henceforth no other “turkey” would be tempted to pull the bear by the mustache.
    5. lelikas
      lelikas 25 November 2015 11: 13
      +6
      I really hope that now, solely for the purpose of self-defense, all oil terminals, fuel trucks will be destroyed, and a no-fly zone along the entire Turkish border will be declared, with the immediate downing of everything flying in from there. And also, I really hope that the bombers and attack aircraft will make along the border a control - track strip, 50 kilometers wide.
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 25 November 2015 11: 39
        +2
        Quote: lelikas
        I really hope that now, solely for the purpose of self-defense, all oil terminals, fuel trucks will be destroyed, and a no-fly zone along the entire Turkish border will be declared, with the immediate downing of everything flying in from there. And also, I really hope that the bombers and attack aircraft will make along the border a control - track strip, 50 kilometers wide.

        Yes, but besides this, our submarines, I think, may well flood some tanker in the Turkish port in order to block the exit to other tankers. Why not? Then Erdogan will not see money from cheap oil soon.
        1. SibSlavRus
          SibSlavRus 25 November 2015 15: 20
          +1
          Let me add.
          MINED PCB 50 kilometers.
          Whatever run back and forth could not think.
      2. aleks26
        aleks26 25 November 2015 11: 47
        0
        Quote: lelikas
        that now, solely for self-defense, all oil terminals, fuel trucks will be destroyed

        And where does self-defense? This should be done in any case, since this is nothing but all this good goes to the financing of terrorism.
        1. lelikas
          lelikas 25 November 2015 16: 11
          0
          That no one would say that peaceful drivers die (I won’t be surprised if they are Turks) and oil workers.
      3. aleks26
        aleks26 25 November 2015 11: 47
        0
        Quote: lelikas
        that now, solely for self-defense, all oil terminals, fuel trucks will be destroyed

        And where does self-defense? This should be done in any case, since this is nothing but all this good goes to the financing of terrorism.
    6. PQ-18
      PQ-18 25 November 2015 11: 13
      0
      I would like to see their reaction, if their pilot were in such a situation. Dirty, mean little souls !!!

      the French lesson is clearly not for the future!
    7. Starover_Z
      Starover_Z 25 November 2015 11: 15
      +1
      Quote: sever.56
      Orenets can be from the cynicism of the Americans !!! This is how much you need to be the last bastard and scum, arguing that the shooting of almost unarmed pilots in the air is self-defense ... !!! I would like to see their reaction, if their pilot were in such a situation. Dirty, mean little souls !!!

      I will continue the statement of Valery.
      You might think that a special forces soldier in "armor" is sitting at the helm of the plane, ready to jump out of the plane at any moment and start mowing down the ground forces from the jump without fear of anything!
      It reminded me of the direct Holywood "fighters" with Bruce ...
      And when the Poles themselves fell near Smolensk, again the Russians were to blame, billiards !!!
      1. Andrea
        Andrea 25 November 2015 11: 23
        0
        They've seen enough of Rambov, then they carry all kinds of nonsense ...
        It’s time to shut off the moderates. It’s time to collect-scrape from the rocks and sweep small pieces.
    8. volot-voin
      volot-voin 25 November 2015 11: 18
      +3
      Quote: sever.56
      Orenets can be from the cynicism of the Americans !!! This is how much you need to be the last bastard and scum, arguing that the shooting of almost unarmed pilots in the air is self-defense.

      ISIS cuts the heads of everyone in a row for self-defense.
    9. REXSTORZ
      REXSTORZ 25 November 2015 11: 25
      0
      Creatures all flew to Syria, the American coalition must be destroyed so that they do not fly in Syria and everything that flies will burn
    10. Vadim237
      Vadim237 25 November 2015 11: 25
      0
      With its statements, the US State Department has not surprised me for a long time.
    11. Ross_ulair
      Ross_ulair 25 November 2015 11: 40
      +2
      Quote: sever.56
      I would like to see their reaction, if their pilot were in such a situation. Dirty, mean little souls !!!


      It seemed to be already in WWII.
      When Amer’s pilots shot the Japanese, who were floundering in the water after the sinking of the Japanese transport, it was right, because the Japanese were military specialists - pilots, sailors, artillerymen ...
      When the Japanese shot the shot down Amerovites at sea - this is an act of unjustified cruelty, a war crime.

      Nothing to be surprised - it's in their blood
    12. RUS96
      RUS96 25 November 2015 11: 42
      +2
      Here are the faces of these hu ... nipples.
      1. dr. sem
        dr. sem 25 November 2015 12: 48
        +5
        Specifically, to transfer these abreks to the care of the Kadyrovites. They know what to do with these stoned
    13. Andrey NM
      Andrey NM 25 November 2015 11: 43
      13
      The counter-question is whether the shooting of the black population at American policemen can be considered self-defense?
    14. Max_Bauder
      Max_Bauder 25 November 2015 12: 09
      +1
      State Department: Syrian opposition could open fire on Russian pilots in self-defense


      GO YOU IN W ... PU! and heads are cut for self-defense?
    15. ava09
      ava09 25 November 2015 12: 12
      0
      Quote: sever.56
      Orenets can be from the cynicism of the Americans !!!

      Are you all "fucking"? Not tired? It's time to understand that the Anglo-Saxons simply have no alternatives to such behavior. Less emotion means better understanding. And to effectively resist, you need a good vision of the enemy.
      Quote: sever.56
      Dirty, mean little souls !!!

      They do not have any souls, they have "interests", at least those who form these "interests" ...
    16. doktor112
      doktor112 25 November 2015 12: 17
      +1
      We are waiting for the performance of the S-400, when approaching closer than 4 km of Turkish fighters to the Syrian border. Hands untied ...
    17. doktor112
      doktor112 25 November 2015 12: 17
      0
      We are waiting for the performance of the S-400, when approaching closer than 4 km of Turkish fighters to the Syrian border. Hands untied ...
    18. your1970
      your1970 25 November 2015 12: 36
      0
      It was already in 1994 - when in Somalia their downed pilots were dragged along the streets, the USA was very surprised that they turned out to be able to kill too and quickly turned off
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    20. atalef
      atalef 25 November 2015 12: 50
      +2
      Quote: sever.56
      Orenets can be from the cynicism of the Americans !!! This is how much you need to be the last bastard and scum, arguing that the shooting of almost unarmed pilots in the air is self-defense ... !!!

      In general, some kind of nonsense
      As far as I know . by the decision of the Hague Convention of 1907, shelling of parachutes descending was recognized as a violation of the rules of warfare.
      These rules also apply.
      Military laws, rights and obligations apply not only to the army, but also to militias and volunteer units if they satisfy all of the following conditions:
      1) are led by a person responsible for their subordinates;
      2) have a distinctive mark that is clearly visible from a distance;
      Xnumx) openly carry weapons and
      4) abide by the laws and customs of war in their actions.


      they seem to be recognized in the West as an organized force.
      Generally, like cheese threatens the mouse. Rave.
    21. 15ghost10
      15ghost10 25 November 2015 13: 55
      +1
      And as with such choices .... you can agree on something. It no longer fits the head. Scum scum, you can’t write harder, otherwise they will be banned.
    22. Appraiser
      Appraiser 25 November 2015 15: 23
      0
      There is nothing special to expect from this state-villains, they were brought up by "tolerant" Saxons. The most important thing for them now is to fan the 3rd World War. And here their cynicism is a deliberate tactic. Indeed, without the blessing of the "US" Turkey would never have dared to take such actions. The only thing is not clear why the actions of the front-line bomber Su 24 were without cover for the Su27SM3 aviation. After all, these are the basics, tactics of using air operations. With the Su 27's cover in place, Turkey would not take such a risk. I feel very sorry for people. Now the strikes must be delivered under the cover of air defense, and even "accidentally" on the territory of Turkey, only by the forces of the Kurds and the Syrian army. soldier
    23. His
      His 25 November 2015 18: 57
      0
      It’s just a puzzle.
  2. bubalik
    bubalik 25 November 2015 11: 02
    +5
    Turkmens opened fire on catapulting Russian pilots for self-defense,


    ,,, are you stupid people ??

    ,,, shoot the pilots when they parachute ,,,, bastard
  3. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 25 November 2015 11: 03
    11
    I hope the information that our guys processed the basmachi for fertilizer is correct ... eyes flowed from the photo .. damn it ...
    1. sever.56
      sever.56 25 November 2015 11: 10
      28
      http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2015/012/gauv676.png

      Andrei Yurievich, I welcome hi
      Yesterday, the Syrian Kurds promised to avenge our pilot.
      The point is small - put them MANPADS. Let them keep their promise ...
      1. alexbg2
        alexbg2 25 November 2015 11: 28
        +1
        They are such American "oppositionists" and cut off the heads of bound prisoners solely for self-defense purposes.
      2. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 25 November 2015 11: 30
        +2
        Quote: sever.56
        Andrei Yurievich, I welcome
        Yesterday, the Syrian Kurds promised to avenge our pilot.
        The point is small - put them MANPADS. Let them keep their promise ..

        Hello Valera, I hope they will keep their word, (both the Kurds and ours) will wait ... "the ashes of Claes, knocking on my heart" ... The Legend of Ulenspiegel, Charles de Coster.
        Every time before a responsible step, he repeats: "Klaas's ashes knock on my heart." Allegorically: a reminder of the dead and a call for revenge. (We will wait very much ...)
        1. sever.56
          sever.56 25 November 2015 11: 35
          +2
          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          "Klaas' ash knocks on my heart."

          I also like the phrase of Napoleon Bonaparte:
          - "THE ENEMY CAN BE FORGIVEN, BUT FIRST IT IS NECESSARY TO DESTROY IT" ...
          1. Andrey Yuryevich
            Andrey Yuryevich 25 November 2015 11: 40
            +1
            Success is not final, failure is not fatal, only the courage to continue matters.
            Winston Churchill
      3. Rock2
        Rock2 25 November 2015 11: 33
        0
        I believe that this issue should be carefully considered. If the Turks do not want to be our allies, then you need to find the one who wants ...
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      5. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 25 November 2015 11: 44
        0
        Quote: sever.56
        Yesterday, the Syrian Kurds promised to avenge our pilot.

        Kurds are also not clear on whose side they are playing. Now they kiss the amers, therefore it is not known to whom MANPADS can end up.
        1. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 25 November 2015 12: 11
          +2
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Kurds are also not clear on whose side they are playing.

          well, Erdogan, they’re definitely not Sanya’s relatives ...
        2. zadorin1974
          zadorin1974 25 November 2015 12: 46
          -1
          In good times, the PKK was supported by Syria and the USSR. In 99g, Ocalan was betrayed by both us (the same GDP) and Assad. The Jews (what was it for?) Helped the Turks capture it in Africa (all the same, strange relations between Jews and Turks in the Turks, don’t you? ). And the question is, who do the Kurds do business with? I understand that they should be deeply spoiled if they are given weapons and ammunition (and do not care whether the Germans or the Americans are friends for a long time; we are the Turks for the kickbacks of the Kremlin repair they looked into the chocolate eye). Sasha, MANPADS from the Kurds can only get into Turkish aviation. The Kurds were always on their own (they never came close to any of the radical currents)
      6. dr. sem
        dr. sem 25 November 2015 12: 51
        +1
        I think the probability is high that the MANPADS will be at the Kurds. Transmission paths may be the most unexpected. And it will be more than CORRECT.
        1. godun
          godun 25 November 2015 14: 17
          0
          Dear brothers on the site, regarding the MANPADS, it’s a rake ,, USA, leave it to them, but in general, if you want to do something well, do it yourself,
      7. cumastra1
        cumastra1 25 November 2015 13: 05
        0
        And that's why I want to take and really give the Kurds MANPADS for temporary use.
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  4. Maksus
    Maksus 25 November 2015 11: 04
    0
    The State Department can carry any nonsense through the lips of its "androids", if something completely unreal is said, then Jim Carrey will then refute it. But the whole world listens to their clowns, and our words fly past our ears.
    Where is the reaction of our Defense Ministry and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs to the plane, I am generally silent about the behavior of GDP, there will be a repeat of the story with Kursk.
  5. Same lech
    Same lech 25 November 2015 11: 04
    +2
    State Department: Syrian opposition could open fire on Russian pilots in self-defense


    Well, well, the opposition of the terrorist international, get ready for the same thing to be done for you in self-defense.
  6. Unbearable
    Unbearable 25 November 2015 11: 05
    +6
    The State Department can not say such a thing. Interesting John McCain will speak out about the execution of pilots. After all, McCain himself and some others in Vietnam were left alive. Probably more thanks to the Russians. After all, they could torture to death ...
  7. venaya
    venaya 25 November 2015 11: 06
    +6
    “There is no clear understanding of what really happened there”

    There is a clear understanding that not the Turks themselves decided on such a provocation.
    Too many "accidents" in a very short time (undermining of the transmission lines to the Crimea) indicates a clear correlation of all these events.
  8. Altona
    Altona 25 November 2015 11: 07
    20
    Please see and distribute ...
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 25 November 2015 11: 42
      0
      Quote: Altona
      Please see and distribute ..

      send to Brussels ...
  9. KOH
    KOH 25 November 2015 11: 07
    +4
    My teeth just grind with anger ...
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    1. NordUral
      NordUral 25 November 2015 11: 26
      0
      Guys! Let's not confuse people and power. We, too, are in power full of frostbitten liberalists. Specifically - this is Erdogan scum.
  11. SERGEY UI
    SERGEY UI 25 November 2015 11: 08
    +5
    The Russian ambassador to France, Alexander Orlov, confirmed that one of the pilots of the Russian Su-24M, shot down by Turkish F-16 over Syrian territory, is in the army of the President of the Arab Republic, Bashar al-Assad. It is reported by Reuters.

    Earlier on Wednesday, November 25, Lebanese television channel Al Mayadeen reported on Facebook that the special forces had withdrawn the pilot from the rear of the militants for two hours. He is currently safe at the Khmeimim base, where Russian aviation is deployed.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 25 November 2015 11: 31
      -1
      The co-pilot is most likely dead.
  12. kursk87
    kursk87 25 November 2015 11: 08
    10
    I offer my condolences to the family and friends of the deceased military pilot who participated in the fight against terrorism! As for the State Department, there is no equal in arrogance and arrogance!
  13. pskov74268
    pskov74268 25 November 2015 11: 09
    +2
    The Zamkobat on VDS spoke about such people like this: a pronounced "woodpecker" conceived in a telephone booth with a gnarled finger with the help of silicate glue - go find this booth and scrape that you did not have enough.
  14. 33 Watcher
    33 Watcher 25 November 2015 11: 11
    +2
    Now let them bury themselves in the ground for self-defense, of course, they will not save from Betabs, but dying in a shelter is calmer ...
  15. segamegament
    segamegament 25 November 2015 11: 11
    +3
    And now Turkish fighters will start to fall, but apparently an incredible howl will stand on each of these facts ...
  16. Vasya_Piterskiy
    Vasya_Piterskiy 25 November 2015 11: 11
    +7
    Burn napalm throughout the area where our pilot was killed.
  17. Mig-31
    Mig-31 25 November 2015 11: 12
    +5
    Well, of course! I suppose there, in the pilots’ pocket, the nuclear grenades were lost, and the poor Turkmen felt a threat and opened fire. You can go nuts! Well, after such a statement from the State Department, Russia must already 100% throw a forceful response!
  18. iliya87
    iliya87 25 November 2015 11: 12
    0
    Do not confuse the notion that the United States would absolutely do not care for its pilot, the main thing is what benefit can be derived from the incident. And we have a different attitude, if the plane had been stupidly shot down by the tunnels and forgiven. And in this episode I’m even afraid to imagine what measures they decide to take.
  19. Decathlon
    Decathlon 25 November 2015 11: 13
    +1
    "... the Syrian Turkmens .."
    And what, the director of this tribe of gurus still does not pinch for cellulite ass ?!
  20. Mig-31
    Mig-31 25 November 2015 11: 13
    +1
    For some reason, our brightest Khan of all time is silent
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 25 November 2015 11: 44
      +1
      Quote: Mig-31
      For some reason, our brightest Khan of all time is silent

      so ask Your Khan: why are you silent ???
      1. Mig-31
        Mig-31 25 November 2015 12: 20
        +5
        the time will come ask don't worry! It’s just a shame, it seems like we are a member of the CSTO, but not one leader of the CSTO states did not express support for the GDP and did not express condolences to the families of the victims! Enrage! angry
        1. BIGLESHIY
          BIGLESHIY 25 November 2015 16: 39
          0
          Quote: Mig-31
          the time will come ask don't worry! It’s just a shame, it seems like we are a member of the CSTO, but not one leader of the CSTO states did not express support for the GDP and did not express condolences to the families of the victims! Enrage! angry

          Not one head of the country expressed condolences. Only one, either the king or the prince of Jordan, expressed his condolences to Putin yesterday in connection with the death of the pilot. Conclusion: only one head of state in the world turned out to be a real person.
    2. vorobey
      vorobey 25 November 2015 11: 45
      +3
      Quote: Mig-31
      For some reason, our brightest Khan of all time is silent


      Screaming in anger - ridiculous, silent in anger - scary. (Abay)

      revenge is a cold dish and must be expertly prepared ...

      The main thing is that she must achieve the goal. Thoughtful, prudent, sophisticated, irresistible, even public in a sense, that is, so that everyone would guess who committed it, but could not prove anything! Oh how! This is the second reason revenge is served cold.

      Revenge is a dish that is prepared for two: to the plaintiff - like heavenly ragweed, to the defendant - like a bone in the throat. In addition, there are others! Whoever doesn’t dare immediately: such a cook is not worth hitting!

      Well, the third point: uncontrolled hatred fills our minds and pushes us to reckless decisions. In severe cases, hatred can even take the form of affect. Try to keep yourself in control, do not let your revenge turn out to be stupid or puny precocious clown showing cookie in his pocket.
      1. Mig-31
        Mig-31 25 November 2015 12: 26
        +3
        Thanks for the enlightenment! It just takes anger when our president is silent when there is such grief in the fraternal state, that there was a lope of terrorist attacks against the Russian Federation, but for some reason I did not hear a word condemning the word of terrorism from our president.
    3. ivan bogomolov
      ivan bogomolov 25 November 2015 12: 22
      -3
      CORN, you would fill up your pit angry
      1. Mig-31
        Mig-31 25 November 2015 12: 43
        +1
        I'll fill up your dirty little soul!
        1. BIGLESHIY
          BIGLESHIY 25 November 2015 16: 41
          0
          Quote: Mig-31
          I'll fill up your dirty little soul!

          Do not pay attention - not adequate.
          1. BIGLESHIY
            BIGLESHIY 25 November 2015 17: 38
            0
            I'm talking about a mantis.
  21. Denis DV
    Denis DV 25 November 2015 11: 13
    +2
    This is 100% ISIS, just the State Department encrypts them under the name of Turkoman recourse
  22. BaLaLaykin
    BaLaLaykin 25 November 2015 11: 13
    +4
    Quote: Maksus
    The State Department can carry any nonsense through the lips of its "androids", if something completely unreal is said, then Jim Carrey will then refute it. But the whole world listens to their clowns, and our words fly past our ears.
    Where is the reaction of our Defense Ministry and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs to the plane, I am generally silent about the behavior of GDP, there will be a repeat of the story with Kursk.

    you do not track news at all?
    Russia freezes ties with Turkey due to the death of a bomber
    https://www.vedomosti.ru/politics/articles/2015/11/25/618247-rossiya-zamorazhiva
    et-svyazi-turtsiei-gibeli-bombardirovschika
    Source: Empty charters will be sent to Turkey
    http://vz.ru/news/2015/11/25/780114.html
    This is the Foreign Ministry
    First: All actions of strike aviation will be carried out only under the cover of fighter aircraft.

    Second: Measures will be taken to strengthen air defense. To this end, the cruiser "Moscow", equipped with an air defense system "Fort", similar to the S-300, will occupy the area in the coastal part of Latakia. We warn that all goals that pose a potential danger to us will be destroyed.

    Third: military contacts with Turkey will be terminated
    This is MO
    Medvedev: Russia has data on Turkey’s financial interest in purchasing oil from IG
    http://vz.ru/news/2015/11/25/780105.html
    This is prime
    Do they want to put NATO at the service of ISIS? I understand that each state has its own regional interests, and we always treat them with respect. But we will never tolerate crimes like today.
    This is the president
    1. AlexTires
      AlexTires 25 November 2015 11: 25
      0
      the fort can operate at 200 km as much as possible, and the real effective range is lower ...
      1. Pharao7766
        Pharao7766 25 November 2015 11: 43
        0
        Sorry, but for now these are just newspaper headlines and words ...
        I would like action.
      2. vorobey
        vorobey 25 November 2015 11: 52
        +2
        Quote: AlexTires
        the fort can operate at 200 km as much as possible, and the real effective range is lower ...


        that 154 over the Black Sea also thought so belay
  23. Stinger
    Stinger 25 November 2015 11: 14
    +2
    “Is it possible to consider self-defense shooting at unarmed pilots who ejected by parachutes,” the representative of the State Department replied: “there is no clear understanding of what really happened there.”

    We have an understanding of what really happened. In the State Department, this happened a long time ago. They have long considered all nerds, and therefore they tell fables.
  24. NordUral
    NordUral 25 November 2015 11: 15
    +1
    Are you in the State Department full of idiots? How could two pilots threaten dozens of gunmen with guns?
  25. Mr. Fun
    Mr. Fun 25 November 2015 11: 15
    +3
    Cynicism rolls over. Our pilots, on the other hand, did not make fun of machine guns while parachuting. Self-defense from unarmed pilots, who already got it ... From the flies you still have to defend yourself, cattle.
    Sorry for our guys. Terrible situation. Get down, they shoot at you, and you can’t even do anything like a target ... Land in peace, to the dead pilot. I would like to hope that the second is alive and will be saved.
  26. Strezhevchanin
    Strezhevchanin 25 November 2015 11: 17
    +1
    In general, all once again convinced what is moderate and where the legs grow with ears. And the State Department went on .... to clarify in the office.
  27. Mihalich17
    Mihalich17 25 November 2015 11: 17
    +2
    Let us remember these words of yours, oh, and remember, you are corrupt souls!
    And we will return to you, we will fully return everything!
    So get ready for the day when the Russians come ..!
    And (I repeat!) - then don’t whine that Otto Eduard Leopold von Bismarck-Schönhausen did not warn you about the consequences!
  28. AdekvatNICK
    AdekvatNICK 25 November 2015 11: 19
    25
    we thank the special forces of Syria for saving one Russian pilot
    شكرا قوى سورية من أجل خلاص طيار روسي
    1. Air Force captain
      Air Force captain 25 November 2015 11: 23
      +6
      The Syrians, unlike our "brothers" whom we have saved countless times, remember the good ... and I believe that they will never forget
    2. shultc
      shultc 25 November 2015 12: 08
      0
      Well, the navigator, thank God, was pulled out! You can't return the commander. Now is the time to start Operation Retaliation 2. And not any "smart" bombs and missiles. Carpet bombardment on brilliant green to the state of the desert and napalm to smell the smoke in Ankara. And those who on the video with our pilot lit up, for a count ... am
      Still, to find a Turkish pilot with F-16 and, as usual, an ice ax
      1. Rivares
        Rivares 25 November 2015 12: 21
        0
        Quote: shultc
        Still, to find a Turkish pilot with F-16 and, as usual, an ice ax

        Better than the one who gave the order.
        1. cumastra1
          cumastra1 25 November 2015 13: 09
          0
          An ice ax is not an ice ax, but a car accident, or pickled mushrooms as an option - tea with polonium.
  29. beer-youk
    beer-youk 25 November 2015 11: 20
    +2
    I really hope that our leadership has the will to bomb these animals in the Stone Age!
    1. AdekvatNICK
      AdekvatNICK 25 November 2015 11: 27
      -1
      nobody will bomb them
  30. YaMZ-238
    YaMZ-238 25 November 2015 11: 20
    0
    It is difficult to say anything .... but it will not last forever, do Americans really understand this? Russia is reborn and very soon they will clog into a corner and sit there, and everything will be done with our permission! And then they will FILTER their statements ....
  31. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 25 November 2015 11: 21
    +2
    All these questions and answers, except irritation, do not bring anything useful. I just want these defendants to immediately tear their heads off and that's it.
  32. Altona
    Altona 25 November 2015 11: 21
    16
    Apparently so, otherwise it is already impossible ..
  33. AlexTires
    AlexTires 25 November 2015 11: 24
    +7
    It seems to me that it’s time to plow this area a little with ammunition of a volumetric explosion, because Satanovsky was right, for years he said that geeks understand only power, and at the genetic level they should feel it ...
    1. Engineer
      Engineer 25 November 2015 11: 35
      +2
      I really hope that the military is preparing a serious answer, because as politicians, all these whore for money have already sold their homeland more than once and will be selling it. They have their own interests in Turkey, because they do not care about our military, they have business, rags, hotels, gas supplies, the construction of a nuclear power plant on credit! They banned tours! This is a tough reaction! People who decided to relax, what do you mean? It is necessary to break off diplomatic relations, ban all imports from Turkey, block the pipe, in the end what gas at a reduced price, if they bring down our planes! All these Turkmen or who they are there - napalm, to level all the mountains, and to arrange for this brave pilot on F-16 everything that our pilot suffered before his death! I’m not bloodthirsty, but it’s painful to watch how some sort of Turkey does everything it wants, to the malicious smiles of Bandera, but there is no answer.
    2. Altona
      Altona 25 November 2015 12: 52
      +2
      Quote: AlexTires
      It seems to me that it’s time to plow this area a little with ammunition of a volumetric explosion, because Satanovsky was right, for years he said that geeks understand only power, and at the genetic level they should feel it ...

      ---------------------
      And how many squeals there was about Comrade Stalin's "inhuman attitude" towards the Crimean Tatars ... Comrade Stalin was right three times, a man of the kindest soul ... He did not kill, but simply moved to sunny Kazakhstan ...
  34. Slavs
    Slavs 25 November 2015 11: 25
    +5
    Yesterday, when watching a video on the Internet, I noticed that behind the scenes there was a sound similar to the shutter of a professional camera ... Are Turkoman fought with mirrors ?? Correspondent, most likely ... Accidentally ended up there? Oh, I do not believe in coincidence ... Prepared provocation? Yes, I’m sure for many percent ... But such an initiative without the permission of the owners is impossible ... The States are aware from the very beginning what they can say ... It's a pity people, the Marine died yesterday ...
  35. brasist
    brasist 25 November 2015 11: 26
    +2
    Here all doubts have already moved aside that the State Department is a bunch of idiots with a complete lack of brains, their boss says that "we have the right to be idiots," I do not remember literally, but the meaning is this.
  36. AdekvatNICK
    AdekvatNICK 25 November 2015 11: 30
    +3
    “A slight violation of the border cannot be an excuse for such an attack. A Turkish plane made a training flight, checking the operation of radars in the eastern part of the Mediterranean Sea ” - such a statement was made Erdogan (then Prime Minister) in 2012, after the Syrian military shot down the F-4 Phantom plane, which violated the borders of Syrian airspace.
  37. over
    over 25 November 2015 11: 31
    0
    It’s funny if it weren’t so sad.
  38. atamankko
    atamankko 25 November 2015 11: 32
    0
    The meanness of the State Department has no boundaries.
  39. Flinky
    Flinky 25 November 2015 11: 33
    +1
    And now there will be the most interesting.
    Strange as it may seem, the DPR and LPR have the right to self-defense. And now, in full accordance with the logic of this bleating ram. And do not be offended, mattresses - they will roll out your bedding solely in self-defense.
  40. Mikado
    Mikado 25 November 2015 11: 33
    0
    The Psaki affair lives and grows! Shoot the crowd with hooting at the defenseless is self-defense ?? ! Thank God, the second, it seems, was saved.
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  42. Colleague
    Colleague 25 November 2015 11: 36
    +1
    Dirty, mean little souls !!!


    The problem is that they sold them to the devil and they do not belong to them ....
  43. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 25 November 2015 11: 36
    +2
    they (Turkmens) could defend themselves

    This is not idiocy and cynicism - it is an ingrained habit of blaming the Russians for everything, whatever happens. This once again confirms that it is useless, sometimes dangerous to try to come to an agreement with these (Americans). They even humanly accept the attempt to talk with them as our weakness with the ensuing consequences. But there is only one conversation with the Turkmens - to wet it over the entire area of ​​residence.
  44. Altona
    Altona 25 November 2015 11: 37
    +2
    Crossed the Turkish Border Speak? In which place?
  45. ovod84
    ovod84 25 November 2015 11: 40
    +1
    Ha ha mixed the Yankees. I would look at them if. Shot down their plane
  46. SERGEY UI
    SERGEY UI 25 November 2015 11: 42
    +2
    Sergei Shoigu announced the transfer of S-400 air defense systems to the Hmeimim air base in Syria in Russia 24
  47. NSerzh
    NSerzh 25 November 2015 11: 43
    +1
    Turkey’s prez with her son had money from caravans of oil that bombed the VKS from that and
  48. Fonmeg
    Fonmeg 25 November 2015 11: 44
    0
    How would the Yankees screech if their plane were shot down and their pilot shot? !!! They would immediately recall international rights, etc.
  49. Fearless
    Fearless 25 November 2015 11: 45
    0
    Yes, these amerikosy went, they must also be brought down to the noise like we didn’t know that there were Americans or we didn’t see that there were Americans
  50. BaLaLaykin
    BaLaLaykin 25 November 2015 11: 45
    +1
    Quote: brasist
    I found it on the site.

    The deceased Russian Pilot Rumyantsev Sergey Alexandrovich. EVERLASTING MEMORY!

    HE LIVING !!! on each branch you have to spread
    Chelyabinsk military pilot Sergei Rumyantsev was mistakenly named dead during the crash of a Su-24 bomber shot down by a Turkish fighter in Syria.http: //rusvesna.su/news/1448424821
    No need to bury ahead of time
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    2. brasist
      brasist 25 November 2015 11: 49
      +1
      Quote: Lalaika
      HE LIVING !!! on each branch you have to spread
      Chelyabinsk military pilot Sergei Rumyantsev was mistakenly named dead during the crash of a Su-24 bomber shot down by a Turkish fighter in Syria.http: //rusvesna.su/news/1448424821
      No need to bury ahead of time

      I apologize.

      I am very glad that I was mistaken.