"Reuters": Washington believes that Su-24 was shot down all the same over Syria, and not over Turkey

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The Obama administration believes that the Russian plane was shot down over the territory of Syria, reports TASS Reuters report.



The White House believes that "the Russian plane was shot down in Syrian airspace after a brief entry into Turkish airspace," a source in the US administration told the agency.

According to him, "This position is based on the detected heat trace of the aircraft".

Earlier, Barack Obama had a telephone conversation with the President of Turkey. Here is how Erdogan’s office described him: “During the conversation, the topic of a Russian aircraft shot down by Turkey, which violated Turkish airspace, was discussed. The US president said that the US and NATO support Turkey’s right to defend its national sovereignty. President Erdogan and President Obama reported on the convergence of their views on the need for measures to prevent repetition of the incident and the importance of reducing tensions. ”

NATO Secretary General Stoltenberg, as you know, called on the parties to "calm and de-escalate." What he really thinks about the incident is unknown, but according to the results of the Alliance Council, he told reporters that he was inclined to believe the Turkish allies.

“In the statement of the NATO Secretary General, there is not a hint of condemnation of the Turkish attack on our aircraft, which did not represent and could not pose any threat to the security of Turkey and was in Syrian airspace. There were no words of sympathy and regret in connection with the death of Russian servicemen who were fulfilling their duty in the fight against terrorism ",
commented on the words of the Secretary General of the Permanent Representative of the Russian Federation to NATO, Alexander Grushko.

“Thus, it was once again confirmed that NATO is guided not by the principles that its representatives like to talk about, but by political expediency. And this fact can hardly be covered by outwardly politically correct calls for “calm and de-escalation,” he said.

"Reuters": Washington believes that Su-24 was shot down all the same over Syria, and not over Turkey
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  1. +28
    25 November 2015 10: 05
    And you can’t argue against the truth. Our powers of space observation have already proven effectiveness. Now the United States will merge the Turks. They themselves were cheated, now in the bushes. And the throne of power will have a Turk in science. Although for this a person must have a head.
    1. +11
      25 November 2015 10: 06
      Oops! Yesterday they tried to mumble that they agree with the Turkish look!
      Today We understood that c3,14 ... it will not work!

      Means of objective control! Your mother is a jackal!
      This is not a Malaysian Boeing in the sky over Ukraine! where are 3,14 ... share our Objective Control! zagoropanili! (by the way, this is not the end yet! You also fidget on a stool and light it with shaking jackals! Pulling off your tip)
      1. +7
        25 November 2015 10: 12
        The White House believes that "a Russian plane was shot down in Syrian airspace after a short entry into Turkish airspace"

        The US President said that the United States and NATO support Turkey’s right to protect its national sovereignty.

        From the words (or from donkeys ?, I don’t remember how to write correctly in this case) of these two presidents it turns out that a short-term violation of the border entails death.
        Although even the fact of crossing the border of Turkey has not yet been proven by the Turks.

        Cool raking the kids.
        1. +8
          25 November 2015 10: 22
          Now there will be a lot of verbiage on the part of Western non-partners, therefore the main thing is countermeasures.

          Actually, the words of Lieutenant General Rudsky more than satisfy me:
          First: All actions of strike aviation will be carried out only under the cover of fighter aircraft.
          Second: Measures will be taken to strengthen the air defense. To this end, the cruiser "Moscow", equipped with an air defense system "Fort", similar to the C-300, will occupy the area in the coastal part of Latakia. We warn that all the goals that pose a potential danger to us will be destroyed.


          http://topwar.ru/86777-general-rudskoy-kontakty-s-turciey-po-voennoy-linii-budut
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          1. +6
            25 November 2015 10: 52
            Quote: _Vladislav_
            Actually, the words of Lieutenant General Rudsky more than satisfy me:
            First: All actions of strike aviation will be carried out only under the cover of fighter aircraft.
            Second: Measures will be taken to strengthen the air defense. To this end, the cruiser "Moscow", equipped with an air defense system "Fort", similar to the C-300, will occupy the area in the coastal part of Latakia. We warn that all the goals that pose a potential danger to us will be destroyed.

            And I have questions! After all, everything was perfect at first! And air defense and even electronic warfare on the ground, and fighters in the sky (4 Su-30, 6 + 8 Su-34), the cruiser Moscow with Fort in the sea! Opportunities to cover our Su-24 were. After all, for this, for cover along the Turkish border there are Su-30s. Why didn't all this work? Really relaxed and believed that the Turks should not expect dangers ?! And this is after our VKS smashed hundreds of Turkish oil and gas tankers in Syria! Why is it only this hour that the words of our general sound that (well, it must be!) All the actions of attack aircraft will be carried out undercover and air defense measures will be taken! It turns out they didn’t cover before?
            1. +2
              25 November 2015 13: 20
              Quote: Stas157
              It turns out they didn’t cover before?

              Unfortunately, it should be noted that they did not hide behind. Apparently, they hoped that the ISIS did not have aviation and such cover was not necessary. This is another lesson in the fact that there are no trifles in a war, and combat tactics (like safety measures) are written not by idiots, but by blood.
              It is necessary to draw appropriate conclusions and more to prevent this!
              As for the answer, in my opinion, it is necessary to make a no-fly zone with all the ensuing consequences. And tan the oil convoys in full. Let the son of Erdogan drown in the blood of Turkish long-range fighting.
              And it makes sense for the President of Armenia to turn to the GDP for help regarding the protection of his airspace, otherwise the Turks will fly there TENS of times and ... everything is in order. And to put there a couple of Turkish flyers and it would be buzzing.
          2. win
            +2
            25 November 2015 11: 05
            Now there will be a lot of verbiage from Western non-partners


            According to the British television channel Sky News, having shot down a Russian bomber, Turkey fell into a very awkward(just!) the situation is diplomatic.

            The EU believes that Moscow should have braked an incident with an airplane so that do not spoil business relations with Turkey and not complicate the process Peaceful settlement in Syria.

            The State Department claims that the shooting at the catapulted Russian pilots of the Su-24 by the Syrian Turkmen defense(!!!) from their side.
            1. +4
              25 November 2015 11: 30
              A very awkward situation in political jargon doesn’t mean that you farted at home accidentally, among your family .. but that you crap at the table, for example somewhere in places not so distant, in a thieves hut for example .. and there they’ll immediately drop it I hope lucidly explained that the Turks are now like ... in a washstand .. and they understand that their planes are ordered for the next five to ten km to the ATS border, I’m sure our 30th colleagues will now graze them, and at the earliest opportunity will be lowered ... I'm sure permission will be obtained for everyone, without exception, even before take-off !!!
              1. +1
                25 November 2015 12: 34
                Quote: igorka357
                A very awkward situation in political jargon doesn’t mean that you farted at home accidentally, among your family .. but that you crap at the table, for example somewhere in places not so distant, in a thieves hut for example .. and there they’ll immediately drop it I hope lucidly explained that the Turks are now like ... in a washstand .. and they understand that their planes are ordered for the next five to ten km to the ATS border, I’m sure our 30th colleagues will now graze them, and at the earliest opportunity will be lowered ... I'm sure permission will be obtained for everyone, without exception, even before take-off !!!

                You are completely right, but I think that even five to ten kilometers is not a safe distance. The plane was shot down over the territory of Syria and even if it really flew over Turkey, it means that the Turks were "punished" for what they had done earlier. This gives the right to "punish" as many Turkish planes - how many times they violated the space of Syria and Cyprus. After such a flogging, you can start a dialogue about "lowering on the brakes."
              2. 0
                25 November 2015 12: 36
                Yes, they understand this, and will not fly in those areas where ours can get them.
            2. +1
              25 November 2015 11: 30
              Quote: Siegen
              firing at the catapulted Russian Su-24 pilots by the Syrian Turkmen was the defense (!!!) on their part.



              Um ... then striking at the Turkish airbase, on the planes standing "at a standstill" will also be a defensive action on our part ...
          3. +4
            25 November 2015 11: 19
            Quote: _Vladislav_
            Now there will be a lot of verbiage on the part of Western non-partners, therefore the main thing is countermeasures.

            Actually, the words of Lieutenant General Rudsky more than satisfy me:
            [b [b]] First: All actions of strike aircraft will be carried out only under the guise of fighter aircraft.
            Second: Measures will be taken to strengthen the air defense. For this purpose, the cruiser "Moskva", equipped with the "Fort" air defense system, similar to the S-300, will occupy an area in the coastal part of Latakia. We warn you that all targets that pose a potential danger to us will be destroyed. [/ B]
            [/B]

            http://topwar.ru/86777-general-rudskoy-kontakty-s-turciey-po-voennoy-linii-budut

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            Another tragic evidence that concluding an agreement with a scoundrel and a provocateur on security, you need to be especially prepared for his violation.
          4. +1
            25 November 2015 11: 27
            Quote: _Vladislav_
            Actually, the words of Lieutenant General Rudsky more than satisfy me:
            First: All actions of strike aircraft will be carried out only under the guise of fighter aircraft.


            I already mentioned this yesterday, when the guys were outraged that the Su-24 was marching without cover ...

            About three days ago, after all, there was information from the representative of our VKS group in Syria that they began solo flights due to a variety of goals for which it was urgent to strike and the lack of fighters ...

            So, in this case, you want, you don’t want, or somehow you still need to transfer fighter jets to Syria, or reduce the intensity of sorties ... That's something like that ...

            PS It seems to me that it will be problematic to deliver fighters there NOW by air ... Only by the "Syrian Express" ...
          5. +1
            25 November 2015 11: 34
            Quote: _Vladislav_
            Now there will be a lot of verbiage on the part of Western non-partners, therefore the main thing is countermeasures.

            Actually, the words of Lieutenant General Rudsky more than satisfy me:
            First: All actions of strike aviation will be carried out only under the cover of fighter aircraft.
            Second: Measures will be taken to strengthen the air defense. To this end, the cruiser "Moscow", equipped with an air defense system "Fort", similar to the C-300, will occupy the area in the coastal part of Latakia. We warn that all the goals that pose a potential danger to us will be destroyed.

            These are the first steps. Plus, the removal of all holidaymakers in Turkey and the deep mission. In fact, this is preparation for more effective steps. I am convinced that the Black Sea Fleet, as well as the Crimean group and the Mediterranean squadron, have already been put on alert. As for the VKS group in Syria, it is clear from the statement that it will be strengthened by the fighter component.
            I think the Kurds will soon have new MANPADS and large-caliber systems. It is possible that Cyprus will not ignore.
        2. +4
          25 November 2015 10: 54
          Erdogan signed himself a death sentence, he is now a blood enemy to Putin .........
          1. +1
            25 November 2015 11: 38
            Quote: Vladimir.z.
            Erdogan signed himself a death sentence, he is now a blood enemy to Putin .........



            Yes, yes ... He will "read" Erdogan ...
        3. +3
          25 November 2015 11: 05
          If the Turks nevertheless plead guilty, then at least they must pay compensation to the relatives of the deceased pilot and marine, as well as the cost of the lost plane and helicopter. Otherwise, their financial losses will be much higher. Russia for Turkey is a country that even without an armed forces can cause irreparable damage to the economy .. In general, it is not clear what Erdogan thought, probably holding his trump card in the sleeve in the form of Bosporus and Dardanelles, he thinks everything will be forgiven ..
          1. 0
            25 November 2015 11: 33
            Until Turkey declares war on the Bosphorus as an open strait, we are only obliged to warn that we have the right to go there whenever we want, and it will not declare Erdogash, the Turks themselves will burn and bring GDP on a silver platter .. the people in Turkey understand that they do not have against a nuclear power chances !!! As for the Bosphorus, this is so for reference !!!
        4. 0
          25 November 2015 14: 14
          Here is the answer, for every, even if it seemed, the flight of Turkish military aircraft into the airspace of Syria and Russia to bring down immediately, even if they are currently located over Istanbul! am
      2. +16
        25 November 2015 10: 23
        the mattresses achieved the main thing - the freezing of the Turkish stream and, consequently, the supply of gas to Europe through camp 404, + the blockade of Crimea, in general, is loading us with other people’s hands, and supposedly nothing to do with, their politics simply stinks with rot .....
        1. +11
          25 November 2015 10: 36
          they will transfer gas through Nord Stream 2, will go through Germany to the south, and the Deutsch have beaten out the right to be Europe’s gas hub. this is also beneficial for us, since Germany is a more adequate partner than Turks and Bulgarians.
          1. 0
            25 November 2015 11: 32
            Quote: just explo
            since Germany more adequate partner than Turks and Bulgarians


            Hmm ... doubts gnaw me ...
            1. 0
              25 November 2015 12: 03
              the Germans are also under the black heel, but they are less amenable to pressure from the Amers, that is, they are doing what they are required to do, but they are looking for workarounds, and in some positions, such as Nord Stream 2, they generally become a pose.
        2. +15
          25 November 2015 10: 46
          The main objective of the Turkish Stream was to force the Germans and other investors to build the second branch of the Nord Stream, which was achieved. Turkey itself is the first of all who suffer from the GDP plan, in order:
          1) The North Caucasus is pacified, Russia could not be thrown back from the Range, despite the mutual blood of the Vainakhs (without them in any way) they switched to the side of Moscow.
          2) The ridge was captured on 08.08.08. Not only did our steppe underbelly and granaries end up behind a fortress with thousand-meter walls, so they came to Armenia by dry route right through South Ossetia, and for pan-Turkism, it simply isolates the Turks from the Turkic world, plus the Russian base.
          3) Crimea returned to Russia, which means that it is no longer possible to pick it up.
          4) The last direction of pan-Turkism evaporated under our own blows, but from the opposite side of the borders with the Russian Federation.
          Take a look at the map, Russia overlaid Turkey from all sides, and you say gas. Not only does Turkey itself sit on the Blue Stream, it will never gain control over the transit of Qatari and Iranian pipes.
          Just the faith and the idea of ​​pan-Turkism collapsed before our eyes, and Turkey itself was snot because of the Kurdish issue. Here is such a byad and how not to hysteria ...
          1. +4
            25 November 2015 11: 23


            A group of Kurds raising funds for Christian refugees in Kurdistan wrote on their social media page that the Kurds wanted to avenge the dead Russian Su-24 pilots in the sky over Syria.

            “Dear Russia, we Kurds will be happy to avenge your pilots. Just give us MANPADS, we will make a good no-fly zone for Erdogan, ”the report said.

            Kurdish militias fight against terrorists of the ISIS terrorist organization banned in Russia. The Kurds took control of the village of Khatuniya in the province of Al-Hasaka. Militias began to destroy the second-largest ISIS cell in Al-Hasaka province.
        3. 0
          25 November 2015 11: 40
          Turkish stream was an outlet for Greece and Serbia
    2. +12
      25 November 2015 10: 08
      So already last night, the Turks began to twist the z.o.p.o.p., we did not know whose plane ....
      V.y.r.o.dk.i !!!
      1. 0
        25 November 2015 10: 09
        The Pentagon does not need problems now ,,,
      2. +5
        25 November 2015 10: 46
        This is not the last nonsense as an excuse on their part. Quite expected. It will still be.
    3. +6
      25 November 2015 10: 09
      Quote: Wend
      And the throne of power will have a Turk in science


      not long left for him ...
    4. +5
      25 November 2015 10: 09
      Erdogan's mattress covers were leaked! At first, they urged on Russia, but now "I am not me and the horse is not mine"! Well, how will it get out now? fool
      1. +7
        25 November 2015 10: 23
        Quote: Hammer
        Erdogan's mattress covers were leaked! At first, they urged on Russia, but now "I am not me and the horse is not mine"! Well, how will it get out now?


        They have not leaked, they are hounding. They create ideal conditions for Russia and Turkey to get together as soon as possible. Who do you think will be the main beneficiary in this place?
        1. +3
          25 November 2015 11: 35
          Quote: Stiletto
          Who do you think will be the main beneficiary in this place?



          Hmm ... no matter how Kurds ... Do you think the USA ??? And they think so ...
      2. avt
        +7
        25 November 2015 10: 23
        Quote: Hammer
        Erdogan mattresses leaked!

        His first or what? They also merged Saddam - at first they allowed him in response to a written request to attack Kuwait, and then to the ground, after they themselves hanged their client, destroyed the country. Again, history teaches that it does not teach the Turks anything, especially those in power. , hoping to get “a roof” from the Naglo-Saxons. Well, when did the “Sick Man of Europe” before 1914 climb into the Entente with the offer of services, what did the “common people” answer to him? High Ports "and all-ee! And in plain text! And then the Germans, having transferred "the cruisers with the crews who put on fez, fired at the coastal facilities of the Russian Empire - in fact, they dragged them into the war with Russia on their side.
        1. +2
          25 November 2015 11: 37
          It is quite obvious that the main customer is FSB. Purpose: to embroil Russia and Turkey, cut off the supply of Russian gas to Turkey, destroy the Turkish Stream project for Europe, cut off the Bosphorus for Russia = stop the Syrian express, thus. complicate operations against IS and others.
          1. 0
            25 November 2015 16: 18
            In the process, Erdogan was framed .....
    5. +1
      25 November 2015 10: 10
      [quote] The US President said that the United States and NATO support Turkey’s right to protect its national sovereignty. President Erdogan and President Obama reported their views coincide [/ quote
      And O'Bama is not going to fly to Moscow?
      So that you can protect the national sovereignty of Russia! wink
      1. 0
        25 November 2015 10: 55
        Quote: Starover_Z
        The US and NATO support Turkey’s right to protect its national sovereignty. President Erdogan and President Obama

        Ghouls they are the most important thing in this story, even if our plane was over the territory of Turkey - why shoot down ?? usually there are enough protest notes, and starships to the crew and command .. obviously the stsuki hunted ours in the border zone, which clearly indicates a criminal intent .. And the question arises why our bomber was without cover in the border area, despite the presence of fighters in Syria ?? ? Forgot the story - How did Pakistanis hunt our flyers in Afghanistan ??
    6. +10
      25 November 2015 10: 14
      Exclusive: a stab in the back - the Russian SU-24 was shot down before our eyes
      1. +20
        25 November 2015 10: 17
        Quote: RUS96
        RUS96 (5) Today, 10: 14 ↑


        In addition to your avatar.
    7. 0
      25 November 2015 10: 15
      Media reports that one pilot, it seems, was saved. True, on serious resources, this news is not yet available.
    8. +6
      25 November 2015 10: 19
      Now the United States will merge the Turks

      Yes, no one will merge them! NATO mutual responsibility. Although he’s a bastard, but this is our bastard (c) I think Reagan said that, so there is no need to harbor any illusions about this. It all depends on us how great will be the repentance and regret in the deed. it’s just that the answer must be not straightforward, very calculated, but very painful
      1. 0
        25 November 2015 10: 50
        Quote: Yuyuka
        Now the United States will merge the Turks

        Yes, no one will merge them! NATO mutual responsibility.
        Already started. One after another, allegations of the wrong and erroneous actions of Turkey follow. Friendship is friendship, and tobacco is apart.
        1. 0
          25 November 2015 11: 31
          Quote: Wend
          Quote: Yuyuka
          Now the United States will merge the Turks

          Yes, no one will merge them! NATO mutual responsibility.
          Already started. One after another, allegations of the wrong and erroneous actions of Turkey follow. Friendship is friendship, and tobacco is apart.


          This is good ... And the stronger the "drain", especially through NATO, the freer we are in our actions and choice of "tools" ...
          1. +1
            25 November 2015 15: 56
            This is good ... And the stronger the "drain", especially through NATO, the freer we are in our actions and choice of "tools" ...

            did not notice that Putin will bother much in the toolbox feel I think the answer will be sooo painful
    9. +1
      25 November 2015 10: 23
      Video from ANNANEWS. Analysis of the provocation with the downed SU-24 and personnel rescue pilots and a broken turntable.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROgOqqeQAL4&feature=youtu.be
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      2. +2
        25 November 2015 11: 09
        In the photo: one of the dead pilots of the Su-24, a Chelyabinsk citizen, a serviceman of the Shagol air base of the Russian Air Force Sergey Rumyantsev. Everlasting memory!

        http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2015/052/uzck271.jpg
        1. 0
          25 November 2015 16: 49
          In the photo: one of the dead pilots of the Su-24, a Chelyabinsk citizen, a serviceman of the Shagol air base of the Russian Air Force Sergey Rumyantsev. Everlasting memory!

          Thank God the navigator is alive and well, already returned to base! Still to find and return the body of the commander ...
    10. +8
      25 November 2015 10: 25
      The Turks are playing out, oh, playing out, this Turkish dolboklyuy seems to have got everyone, the whole world.
      1. +1
        25 November 2015 10: 43
        This behavior of double standards is directly annoying them, it’s interesting. Clearly in the program Sunday will be Macle with Solovyov, maybe the Turks and how they will get out, as always rigging the Facts. Satanovsky will probably also be. . .
      2. 0
        25 November 2015 10: 50
        Not, well, finally! Amerikosy that, certainly not in the subject, merge allies.
        Then let's be objective until the end — the attack was from Syria.
        Turkomans, I hope, will now fall under the rink. Do not shoot horseradish, no matter where.
    11. 0
      25 November 2015 11: 36
      It seems to me that Russia can introduce a no-fly zone over Syria and bring down all who lurk in its space. America is not happy with the situation for various reasons. So they are groping in different directions, how to get out of the situation with a bigger profit for themselves. I do not absolutely believe in the objectivity of Americans.
      Their behavior, as in a joke about brokers.
      One asks the other how much will be two and two, the second is the answer ... but are we selling or buying?
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  3. +1
    25 November 2015 10: 06
    You can't hide an awl in a sack, whatever one may say, everyone understands that the Turks "demolished the fence."
    1. +3
      25 November 2015 10: 21
      Quote: avvg
      You can't hide an awl in a sack, whatever one may say, everyone understands that the Turks "demolished the fence."


      Administration! I understand that "replication" of materials in different branches falls under the definition of "flood", but YOU WILL UNDERSTAND, A SPECIAL CASE ...

      Turkish politician in 2012 made a statement about the incident with a downed plane

      Erdogan: “Minor violation of the border is not an excuse for an attack”



      “A slight violation of the border cannot be an excuse for such an attack. A Turkish aircraft made a training flight, checking the operation of radars in the eastern part of the Mediterranean "- such a statement was made by Erdogan (then Prime Minister) in 2012 year after the Syrian military shot down the F-4 Phantom plane, which violated the airspace Syria.

      The original statement is available on the BBC website.

      On Tuesday, the Su-24 bomber crashed in Syria. Russian President Vladimir Putin said that the plane was shot down by an air-to-air missile from a Turkish F-16 aircraft and crashed into Syrian territory 4 km from the border with Turkey.
  4. KOH
    +2
    25 November 2015 10: 08
    The group "10th Coast Brigade" said that the body of one of the pilots is with her. The rebels said they were willing to exchange him for prisoners held by Syrian authorities. The network also appeared photos of the deceased pilot. The rebels indicated that the image depicts "dead Russian pilot Major Sergei Rumyantsev."

    Representatives of the rebel forces also posted a video with the body of the deceased pilot. Eliot Higgins, founder of the Billingcat Independent Civil and Journalistic Investigations Project, pointed to the identity of the deceased’s outfit with the outfit of Russian pilots in Syria.

    On Tuesday evening, Reuters and the Hurriyet Daily News talked about how Turkey considers both pilots to be survivors and is working on their release from captivity. It was reported that the Turkish national intelligence organization is in contact with the rebels in order to pick up the pilots from them.

    The Russian Su-24, which participated in the operation against terrorists in Syria, was shot down on the morning of November 24 near the Turkish-Syrian border. Ankara claims that the plane invaded the country's airspace, but in Moscow this information was refuted.

    Read more at RBC:
    http://www.rbc.ru/politics/25/11/2015/56551b2f9a79472caccfabe2
    1. 0
      25 November 2015 10: 17
      Quote: CON
      On Tuesday evening, Reuters and the Hurriyet Daily News talked about how Turkey considers both pilots to be survivors and is working on their release from captivity. It was reported that the Turkish national intelligence organization is in contact with the rebels in order to pick up the pilots from them.

      Now went infa that the Syrian Arab army saved him.
  5. +1
    25 November 2015 10: 09
    NATO is guided not by the principles that its representatives love to talk about, but by political expediency

    They are guided by some principles, only these principles have nothing to do with international law, they are not profitable for them, therefore, they are not needed
  6. +8
    25 November 2015 10: 10
    Expect sympathy from the enemy (NATO) is absolutely naive.
    1. +3
      25 November 2015 10: 21
      No one is waiting for sympathy. I honestly will be very surprised if they at least admit that the plane was shot down over Syrian territory.
      1. +1
        25 November 2015 11: 13
        Quote: sannych
        No one is waiting for sympathy. I honestly will be very surprised if they at least admit that the plane was shot down over Syrian territory.


        To be honest, I did not see or hear the OFFICIAL statement of NATO that they recognize the fact of the destruction of Su-24 over the territory of Syria request

        There are statements by the Western press, something from the State Department, but not from NATO ...
  7. +1
    25 November 2015 10: 11
    The official position of the State Department is similar to "Eniki-beniki ate dumplings"
  8. +1
    25 November 2015 10: 13
    The Turks will still regret their "protection". Just do not rush, let them relax, and then ... "we respect the opinion of Turkey, and therefore we fly and bomb from afar, we have almost no precise weapons and from such a distance we unfortunately miss and those 124 old missiles that hit the territory Turkey is our jamb. All those involved will be severely punished, they will be awarded the next titles ahead of schedule "
    1. +2
      25 November 2015 10: 26
      Quote: Yuyuka
      The Turks will still regret their "protection". Just do not rush, let them relax, and then ... "we respect the opinion of Turkey, and therefore we fly and bomb from afar, we have almost no precise weapons and from such a distance we unfortunately miss and those 124 old missiles that hit the territory Turkey is our jamb. All those involved will be severely punished, they will be awarded the next titles ahead of schedule "


      It would be mean, somehow stealthily. It is necessary to take revenge clearly, proudly and consciously. We have nothing to make excuses for, let those who dare to contact Russia make excuses.
  9. +6
    25 November 2015 10: 14
    Long live the Kurdish People’s Republic in the territory of the former Turkey!
  10. 0
    25 November 2015 10: 15
    Our shot down the Turks are unlikely to dare in return, but to put on their base, easily, politely and revealingly
  11. +3
    25 November 2015 10: 18
    It all fits together. The mattress workers do not succeed in the war until the last Ukrainian, they decided to fight until the last Turk. They substitute Erdogan and immediately agreed that the plane was shot down over Syria, confident that Russia would answer, the question is how? There’s a direct analogy with Ukraine, one scenario.
  12. +2
    25 November 2015 10: 19
    IT IS NECESSARY TO INCREASE THE NUMBER OF AIRPLANES AND DEPARTURES. and plow there all slopes!
  13. +7
    25 November 2015 10: 26
    What happened in Syria is a reminder to us that “we can,” and that the war, especially far from our borders, should be taken seriously.
    After 45, only a complete, sick patient could just take and shoot down a Soviet plane (except for the military situation, for example, the war in Korea). For this immunity - we paid 26 with millions of lives. But now - we can. And it did not begin with Putin and not with Yeltsin. Back in the eighties - Pakistani pilots under the roof of the United States - jacked and shot down Soviet attack aircraft, including over the territory of Afghanistan. And for this they - there was nothing that showed others that we could. And now we are paying for that weakness. Us - you can. And without a lot of blood - unfortunately, the reverse cannot be proved.
  14. +3
    25 November 2015 10: 27
    The Kurds are the key to punishing Turkey, we did not intervene for a long time, but now it is time to arm them, and by shooting in the back they have lost the moral right to count on our understanding of their struggle against separatism within TURKEY. The Taleon (okosaoko) is unacceptable because only Turks and fagots are waiting for him, 40 km from the border - nothing for a cavalry attack of their air force at the Khmenim base at dawn (((...
  15. +2
    25 November 2015 10: 27
    Now grab the minuses, but still I’ll say. Based on the information flow of ours and not ours over the past 16 hours, I am inclined to think that most likely FXNUMX shot down ours unintentionally. And when they realized what happened, they got scared. So the stuffing appeared that the pilots were alive, and the Turks were saving them. So they rushed to NATO immediately. So they put their own cancer. On the one hand it is necessary to support, on the other hand, aiding terrorists.
    I will be glad to see the falling aircraft of the Turks in the coming days.
    And also the corpses of the gunmen who shot the pilot.
    1. +2
      25 November 2015 11: 01
      Quote: KraDI
      Based on the information flow of ours and not ours over the past 16 hours, I am inclined to think that most likely FXNUMX shot down ours unintentionally. And when they realized what happened, they got scared.

      Nah! All of him (farther) intentionally gave the order to bring down the Su 24 Sukhoi Air Force of the Russian Federation, the Turks just had such a bribe, trade, the money in their blood was fart for the bombed free oil, he gave an order to his head and now he’s pissing! It is necessary, It is necessary to answer immediately blood for blood, eye for eye. Only a power version and nothing more! If everyone slows down, everyone and sundry will wipe dirty feet about you.
    2. 0
      25 November 2015 11: 48
      Quote: KraDI
      I am inclined to think that most likely F16 shot down our unintentionally.


      Hmm, let me ask you a question: how - a fighter - can - bring down - an attack aircraft - yes - even - a stranger - Unintentionally ??
      1. 0
        25 November 2015 13: 16
        there the Syrian could fly. I mean, the one on f16 did not know that the Russian plane
        1. 0
          25 November 2015 16: 53
          There was an order for the attack, but, along the way, Erdogan was not in the know ... In this case, he was set up by his own generals (possibly oppositional or corny bought by penguins) ...
    3. 0
      25 November 2015 16: 17
      Based on the information flow of ours and not ours over the past 16 hours, I am inclined to think that most likely FXNUMX shot down ours unintentionally.

      But what about several points at once for shooting in good quality? Why, if so nakosyachili not call our urgently - after all, they have a direct line? and finally Erdogan's statement on the right to defense ?? there was also infa from the Americans - there were two of our planes and two Turkish ones, then on ANNANEWS they showed the rescue of a group from a landed helicopter, and they said that one of our aircraft left the missile, the second did not have time. and more - the F-16 cut circles before the attack, that is, waited for an opportunity, not to mention that everything happened after the defeat of the oil "hoses" from the fuel trucks hi
  16. +5
    25 November 2015 10: 27
    Do not wait for an objective assessment of the incident with the Russian SU-24 from the US authorities. Americans will never support the actions of the Russian Federation in Syria. I won’t be surprised if this acacia was planned by Turkey together with the USA
  17. 0
    25 November 2015 10: 28
    0,5 mm of raptor tail entered into the territory of the SAR - is a violation of the sovereign border and the SAR did not invite them with all the ensuing consequences without warning
  18. +3
    25 November 2015 10: 29
    "The White House believesthat "a Russian plane was shot down in Syrian airspace" ...

    Well, yes, yes ... BUT (!!!) allegedly with violation of the Turkish space by our plane ... Although the controls, both Russian and Syrian air defense, completely reject the location of the Russian aircraft over Turkey, but F-16, who shot him down, was in Syrian airspace ...

    I think the pilot guys from the Russian Aerospace Forces in Syria are determined not only to strike at the IS, but also to avenge their friends ...

    The cruiser Moscow received a clear, unequivocal order to destroy everything that could threaten our aircraft and base ... Now the S-400 is deployed, as a result, not only Syrian airspace will be controlled, but also most of Turkish ...

    We can only wait and hope ... Now in the world a situation has arisen for Russia that it is impossible to retreat in any case ...

    I just want to wish Putin and the members of the National Security Council a sober, balanced sanity and the adoption of competent and effective decisions ...
  19. +3
    25 November 2015 10: 30
    The corporations represented by the SGA are once again probing the elite of the Russian Federation for "lousy". So it was in the war on 08.08.08, so it was with Dill ... Now they are acting through Churkestan ...
    How SGAshniki will behave completely depends on the reaction of the Russian Federation. Not from Putin’s words, but from concrete actions ... Words are fog and bluff. You can always refuse them, but CASES ...
    Cases are not visible yet !!!
    The call "not to go to Churkestan" is NOT BUSINESS ... This is bleating ...
  20. 0
    25 November 2015 10: 31
    And in Washington, now, a bogey because of the Turks, she is in NATO, although she is incomplete. And if these Ottomans are accomplices of terrorism, then all of their so-called the coalition is automatically considered the same ... either to merge the Turks, or according to Art. 5 of the NATO Charter to act together. The dilemma, however ... And recently, vassals of mattress-mates on NATO have already grumbled, Europe decides to create its own European armed forces ... We wait, sir, maybe during my life this dump will fall apart ...
    1. 0
      25 November 2015 11: 32
      igil = US something else to be explained?
  21. +1
    25 November 2015 10: 37
    How is it in American, at first to hustle, and then substitute. They have long wanted to put Erdogashka on a short leash ...
  22. 0
    25 November 2015 10: 38
    Quote: RUS96
    Exclusive: a stab in the back - the Russian SU-24 was shot down before our eyes

    Thanks for the video, have not seen it !!!!!
  23. One
    +1
    25 November 2015 10: 38
    First, the Ukrainians fired on our settlements on our territory - they wiped themselves out, now the plane was shot down just like that - do we die? Well then, there is nothing to talk about a great people, this people have long been a rag or rag for wiping their feet and cloning slaves for fat belts. Our grandfathers and great-grandfathers would know ....
    1. 0
      25 November 2015 17: 00
      Offer to declare war on Ukraine and Turkey, then the whole of NATO ????? Volunteer to the front line ??? Or to the home front workers ???
  24. +2
    25 November 2015 10: 38
    I want to note that if the situation worsens, it is necessary to tighten control over arriving stuffed animals from Turkey, because if they allow terrorists to wait for blows from the Russian air forces on their territory, they can safely let a couple of bearded men with belts into our territory.
    1. 0
      25 November 2015 17: 03
      The visa-free regime must be abolished, tourists themselves will stop going there, some because of crowbars, some out of patriotism ... This is like the first return move ....
  25. Sst
    0
    25 November 2015 10: 45
    one should not "assume", but look at the data of objective control - satellites, drones, and other things.
  26. One
    +1
    25 November 2015 10: 46
    Wake up !!!!! They are already here! The special operation in Nalchik the other day says about the chrm. Soon the Caucasus will erupt again, soon they will again kill us in our own territory, in our homes. The battle is just beginning, it is still in its infancy, the main thing is yet to come.
  27. 0
    25 November 2015 10: 54
    UKRAINE, Egypt, Turkey ... who is next in this bedlam of cowards and traitors?
    1. +1
      25 November 2015 11: 12
      Georgia forgot to indicate.
  28. +2
    25 November 2015 10: 57
    US President says US and NATO support Turkey’s right to protect its national sovereignty


    Maybe Syria and Russia will also more carefully defend their national sovereignty. And to beat the fuck all that without permission invades the Syrian and Russian airspace. And then call for calm and de-escalation.
  29. 0
    25 November 2015 10: 58
    Still in a year they would conclude about this. Now this is not the point, but how to punish Erdogan. Although there is a plan for a long time.
  30. 0
    25 November 2015 11: 18
    I think our next board will be shot down over the Baltic .. And what, the Turks can, but the Lithuanians can not?
  31. +2
    25 November 2015 11: 23
    Yesterday, after work, I poured three shots of vodka, covered two with a piece of bread and remembered the pilot and the Marine. I didn't know them, but they died for all of us. They died because of the pod ... And here it is not only the Turks who are to blame, the Western "peacekeepers" and democratizers are to blame. Once again, we were given a lesson that we have no friends either in the West or in the East. There is only an enemy waiting for the right moment to stick a knife in the back. Will our guide understand this?
    1. 0
      25 November 2015 12: 11
      I can not plus yet. New registration, lost my old login password.

      Kowtow to you, brother. And the eternal memory of the soldiers.
    2. 0
      25 November 2015 16: 28
      Once again, we were given a lesson that we have no friends in either the West or the East. There is only an enemy waiting for a convenient moment to stick a knife in the back. Will this be understood in our manual?

      I also recalled how Georgia attacked Ossetia and Putin tried to get in touch with Bush, but he was inaccessible! The hope and support of our president is only his people! I just want to say - when will they treat their people accordingly ?? Or, as at all times, they know that Russians even curse the authorities, but when they put their homeland in danger of life for it! How much can you use this ??
  32. 0
    25 November 2015 11: 26
    Wait for the dog’s response.
  33. 0
    25 November 2015 11: 30
    when the United States says or does something, look and think what meanness they are up to, until you understand, do not draw conclusions. It always is!
    It is quite obvious that the main customer is FSB. Purpose: to embroil Russia and Turkey, cut off the supply of Russian gas to Turkey, destroy the Turkish Stream project for Europe, cut off the Bosphorus for Russia = stop the Syrian express, thus. complicate operations against IS and others.
  34. 0
    25 November 2015 11: 32
    À la guerre comme à la guerre. In war as in war. Unfortunately, the death of warriors is inevitable, but when a bang in the back. This is a malicious betrayal, and stupid, at the request of amers. I hope the answer will be. BUT WHY THE BOMBERS DIDN'T HAVE ANY COVERAGE. War is not a walk in the clouds. Where is the cover ..........
    Our heroes pilots cheers. I will perish the eternal memory. The second seems to have been saved.
  35. +1
    25 November 2015 11: 54
    Earlier, Barack Obama had a telephone conversation with the President of Turkey. Here is how Erdogan’s office described him: “During the conversation, they discussed the topic of a Russian plane shot down by Turkey, which violated Turkish airspace. The US President said that the United States and NATO support Turkey’s right to protect its national sovereignty. "President Erdogan and President Obama said their views were similar regarding the need to take measures to prevent a recurrence of the incident and the importance of reducing tensions."


    The Turks, like a cheap cowardly shit, immediately ran to complain to the black master. Looks like overloading specifically. It cannot be called otherwise. Jackals ...
  36. 0
    25 November 2015 12: 04
    Prophecies of Paisius the Holy Mountaineer

    The Middle East will become the scene of wars in which Russians will take part. A lot of blood will be shed, and even the Chinese will cross the Euphrates River, having 200.000.000 army, and reach Jerusalem. A characteristic sign that these events are approaching will be the destruction of the Omar mosque, since its destruction will mean the beginning of work on the reconstruction of the temple of Solomon, which was built on that spot.

    In Constantinople there will be a great war between Russians and Europeans, and a lot of blood will be shed. Greece will not play a leading role in this war, but they will give it to Constantinople, not because the Russians will revere us, but because there is no better solution, and agree together with Greece, and difficult circumstances will put pressure on them. The Greek army will not have time to go there, as the city will be given to her.

    http://sv-afon.orthodoxy.ru/svjatye/paisi_af/paisiy.htm
  37. +1
    25 November 2015 12: 04
    In Soviet times, contacts with the PKK were well established and assistance was provided in their struggle. Now it is simply necessary to renew lost contacts and establish new ones to assist with weapons. Over time, this measure will work well in the struggle of the Kurds against the Turks.
  38. 0
    25 November 2015 12: 45
    there is such garbage as gravity, inertia, etc. If the plane lost its engines, flew into the air, etc., then he or his remains will fly by inertia in the direction in which he flew before the tragedy. If he fell from 6km to 4km inland from the border, then at least he should plan. And in order to plan, then naturally he could not burn, because it burns for several seconds. And if it didn’t burn, then it wasn’t shot down by a rocket and the video (with emphasis and good quality) is bullshit.
    .. as well as crossing the territory of 2,5 km, during which 10 !!! once drying was warned ... An-2 can "rush" 180 km / h, which is equivalent to 3 km / min. Those. it will take 50 seconds to fly ... How many times will you have time to blurt out. any duty phrase? Yeah, so the drying went EVEN SLOWER !!!
    .. well, well, nafig them .. They add 2 2 on a computer and their loaves grow on trees !!! And they live in Down Towns !!!!
  39. 0
    25 November 2015 13: 22
    Quote: DEfindER
    If the Turks nevertheless plead guilty, then at least they must pay compensation to the relatives of the deceased pilot and marine, as well as the cost of the lost plane and helicopter. Otherwise, their financial losses will be much higher. Russia for Turkey is a country that even without an armed forces can cause irreparable damage to the economy .. In general, it is not clear what Erdogan thought, probably holding his trump card in the sleeve in the form of Bosporus and Dardanelles, he thinks everything will be forgiven ..

    I don’t have any printed words at the expense of the Turks, this is not only a stab in the back, but also a spit in the face, and omit the question of honor for this !!! It’s interesting, if indeed the strait will risk closing for us! What are our actions supposed to be?