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"Reuters": Washington believes that Su-24 was shot down all the same over Syria, and not over Turkey

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The Obama administration believes that the Russian plane was shot down over the territory of Syria, reports TASS Reuters report.




The White House believes that "the Russian plane was shot down in Syrian airspace after a brief entry into Turkish airspace," a source in the US administration told the agency.

According to him, "This position is based on the detected heat trace of the aircraft".

Earlier, Barack Obama had a telephone conversation with the President of Turkey. Here is how Erdogan’s office described him: “During the conversation, the topic of a Russian aircraft shot down by Turkey, which violated Turkish airspace, was discussed. The US president said that the US and NATO support Turkey’s right to defend its national sovereignty. President Erdogan and President Obama reported on the convergence of their views on the need for measures to prevent repetition of the incident and the importance of reducing tensions. ”

NATO Secretary General Stoltenberg, as you know, called on the parties to "calm and de-escalate." What he really thinks about the incident is unknown, but according to the results of the Alliance Council, he told reporters that he was inclined to believe the Turkish allies.

“In the statement of the NATO Secretary General, there is not a hint of condemnation of the Turkish attack on our aircraft, which did not represent and could not pose any threat to the security of Turkey and was in Syrian airspace. There were no words of sympathy and regret in connection with the death of Russian servicemen who were fulfilling their duty in the fight against terrorism ",
commented on the words of the Secretary General of the Permanent Representative of the Russian Federation to NATO, Alexander Grushko.

“Thus, it was once again confirmed that NATO is guided not by the principles that its representatives like to talk about, but by political expediency. And this fact can hardly be covered by outwardly politically correct calls for “calm and de-escalation,” he said.

"Reuters": Washington believes that Su-24 was shot down all the same over Syria, and not over Turkey
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  1. Vend
    Vend 25 November 2015 10: 05 New
    28
    And you can’t argue against the truth. Our powers of space observation have already proven effectiveness. Now the United States will merge the Turks. They themselves were cheated, now in the bushes. And the throne of power will have a Turk in science. Although for this a person must have a head.
    1. Baikonur
      Baikonur 25 November 2015 10: 06 New
      11
      Oops! Yesterday they tried to mumble that they agree with the Turkish look!
      Today We understood that c3,14 ... it will not work!

      Means of objective control! Your mother is a jackal!
      This is not a Malaysian Boeing in the sky over Ukraine! where are 3,14 ... share our Objective Control! zagoropanili! (by the way, this is not the end yet! You also fidget on a stool and light it with shaking jackals! Pulling off your tip)
      1. Temples
        Temples 25 November 2015 10: 12 New
        +7
        The White House believes that "a Russian plane was shot down in Syrian airspace after a short entry into Turkish airspace"

        The US President said that the United States and NATO support Turkey’s right to protect its national sovereignty.

        From the words (or from donkeys ?, I don’t remember how to write correctly in this case) of these two presidents it turns out that a short-term violation of the border entails death.
        Although even the fact of crossing the border of Turkey has not yet been proven by the Turks.

        Cool raking the kids.
        1. _Vladislav_
          _Vladislav_ 25 November 2015 10: 22 New
          +8
          Now there will be a lot of verbiage on the part of Western non-partners, therefore the main thing is countermeasures.

          Actually, the words of Lieutenant General Rudsky more than satisfy me:
          First: All actions of strike aviation will be carried out only under the cover of fighter aircraft.
          Second: Measures will be taken to strengthen the air defense. To this end, the cruiser "Moscow", equipped with an air defense system "Fort", similar to the C-300, will occupy the area in the coastal part of Latakia. We warn that all the goals that pose a potential danger to us will be destroyed.


          http://topwar.ru/86777-general-rudskoy-kontakty-s-turciey-po-voennoy-linii-budut
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          1. Stas157
            Stas157 25 November 2015 10: 52 New
            +6
            Quote: _Vladislav_
            Actually, the words of Lieutenant General Rudsky more than satisfy me:
            First: All actions of strike aviation will be carried out only under the cover of fighter aircraft.
            Second: Measures will be taken to strengthen the air defense. To this end, the cruiser "Moscow", equipped with an air defense system "Fort", similar to the C-300, will occupy the area in the coastal part of Latakia. We warn that all the goals that pose a potential danger to us will be destroyed.

            And I have questions! After all, everything was perfect at first! And air defense and even electronic warfare on the ground, and fighters in the sky (4 Su-30, 6 + 8 Su-34), the cruiser Moscow with Fort in the sea! Opportunities to cover our Su-24 were. After all, for this, for cover along the Turkish border there are Su-30s. Why didn't all this work? Really relaxed and believed that the Turks should not expect dangers ?! And this is after our VKS smashed hundreds of Turkish oil and gas tankers in Syria! Why is it only this hour that the words of our general sound that (well, it must be!) All the actions of attack aircraft will be carried out undercover and air defense measures will be taken! It turns out they didn’t cover before?
            1. SMikhalych
              SMikhalych 25 November 2015 13: 20 New
              +2
              Quote: Stas157
              It turns out they didn’t cover before?

              Unfortunately, it should be noted that they did not hide behind. Apparently, they hoped that the ISIS did not have aviation and such cover was not necessary. This is another lesson in the fact that there are no trifles in a war, and combat tactics (like safety measures) are written not by idiots, but by blood.
              It is necessary to draw appropriate conclusions and more to prevent this!
              As for the answer, in my opinion, it is necessary to make a no-fly zone with all the ensuing consequences. And tan the oil convoys in full. Let the son of Erdogan drown in the blood of Turkish long-range fighting.
              And it makes sense for the President of Armenia to turn to the GDP for help regarding the protection of his airspace, otherwise the Turks will fly there TENS of times and ... everything is in order. And to put there a couple of Turkish flyers and it would be buzzing.
          2. win
            win 25 November 2015 11: 05 New
            +2
            Now there will be a lot of verbiage from Western non-partners


            According to the British television channel Sky News, having shot down a Russian bomber, Turkey fell into a very awkward(just!) the situation is diplomatic.

            The EU believes that Moscow should have braked an incident with an airplane so that do not spoil business relations with Turkey and not complicate the process Peaceful settlement in Syria.

            The State Department claims that the shooting at the catapulted Russian pilots of the Su-24 by the Syrian Turkmen defense(!!!) from their side.
            1. igorka357
              igorka357 25 November 2015 11: 30 New
              +4
              A very awkward situation in political jargon doesn’t mean that you farted at home accidentally, among your family .. but that you crap at the table, for example somewhere in places not so distant, in a thieves hut for example .. and there they’ll immediately drop it I hope lucidly explained that the Turks are now like ... in a washstand .. and they understand that their planes are ordered for the next five to ten km to the ATS border, I’m sure our 30th colleagues will now graze them, and at the earliest opportunity will be lowered ... I'm sure permission will be obtained for everyone, without exception, even before take-off !!!
              1. avdkrd
                avdkrd 25 November 2015 12: 34 New
                +1
                Quote: igorka357
                A very awkward situation in political jargon doesn’t mean that you farted at home accidentally, among your family .. but that you crap at the table, for example somewhere in places not so distant, in a thieves hut for example .. and there they’ll immediately drop it I hope lucidly explained that the Turks are now like ... in a washstand .. and they understand that their planes are ordered for the next five to ten km to the ATS border, I’m sure our 30th colleagues will now graze them, and at the earliest opportunity will be lowered ... I'm sure permission will be obtained for everyone, without exception, even before take-off !!!

                Вы полностью правы, но думаю, что и пять-десять километров не являются безопасным расстоянием. Самолет был сбит над территорией Сирии и даже если он действительно пролетел над Турцией это означает , что турки "наказали" за ранее содеянное. Это дает право "наказать" столько самолетов Турции-сколько раз они нарушали пространство Сирии и Кипра. Вот после такой порки можно начать диалог о "спускании на тормозах".
              2. Borets
                Borets 25 November 2015 12: 36 New
                0
                Yes, they understand this, and will not fly in those areas where ours can get them.
            2. veksha50
              veksha50 25 November 2015 11: 30 New
              +1
              Quote: Siegen
              firing at the catapulted Russian Su-24 pilots by the Syrian Turkmen was the defense (!!!) on their part.



              Гм... тогда нанесение удара по турецкой авиабазе, по стоящим "на приколе" самолетам, тоже будет оборонительным действием с нашей стороны...
          3. Victor-M
            Victor-M 25 November 2015 11: 19 New
            +4
            Quote: _Vladislav_
            Now there will be a lot of verbiage on the part of Western non-partners, therefore the main thing is countermeasures.

            Actually, the words of Lieutenant General Rudsky more than satisfy me:
            [b [b]] First: All actions of strike aircraft will be carried out only under the guise of fighter aircraft.
            Второе: Будут приняты меры по усилению противовоздушной обороны. С этой целью крейсер "Москва", оснащенный системой ПВО "Форт", аналогичной С-300, займет район в прибрежной части Латакии. Предупреждаем, что все цели, представляющие для нас потенциальную опасность, будут уничтожаться.[/b]
            [/B]

            http://topwar.ru/86777-general-rudskoy-kontakty-s-turciey-po-voennoy-linii-budut

            -prekrascheny.html

            Another tragic evidence that concluding an agreement with a scoundrel and a provocateur on security, you need to be especially prepared for his violation.
          4. veksha50
            veksha50 25 November 2015 11: 27 New
            +1
            Quote: _Vladislav_
            Actually, the words of Lieutenant General Rudsky more than satisfy me:
            First: All actions of strike aircraft will be carried out only under the guise of fighter aircraft.


            I already mentioned this yesterday, when the guys were outraged that the Su-24 was marching without cover ...

            About three days ago, after all, there was information from the representative of our VKS group in Syria that they began solo flights due to a variety of goals for which it was urgent to strike and the lack of fighters ...

            So, in this case, you want, you don’t want, or somehow you still need to transfer fighter jets to Syria, or reduce the intensity of sorties ... That's something like that ...

            P.S. Мне кажется, что воздушным путем СЕЙЧАС доставить туда истребители проблематично будет... Только "Сирийским экспрессом"...
          5. NEXUS
            NEXUS 25 November 2015 11: 34 New
            +1
            Quote: _Vladislav_
            Now there will be a lot of verbiage on the part of Western non-partners, therefore the main thing is countermeasures.

            Actually, the words of Lieutenant General Rudsky more than satisfy me:
            First: All actions of strike aviation will be carried out only under the cover of fighter aircraft.
            Second: Measures will be taken to strengthen the air defense. To this end, the cruiser "Moscow", equipped with an air defense system "Fort", similar to the C-300, will occupy the area in the coastal part of Latakia. We warn that all the goals that pose a potential danger to us will be destroyed.

            These are the first steps. Plus, the removal of all holidaymakers in Turkey and the deep mission. In fact, this is preparation for more effective steps. I am convinced that the Black Sea Fleet, as well as the Crimean group and the Mediterranean squadron, have already been put on alert. As for the VKS group in Syria, it is clear from the statement that it will be strengthened by the fighter component.
            I think the Kurds will soon have new MANPADS and large-caliber systems. It is possible that Cyprus will not ignore.
        2. Vladimir.z.
          Vladimir.z. 25 November 2015 10: 54 New
          +4
          Erdogan signed himself a death sentence, he is now a blood enemy to Putin .........
          1. Ze Kot
            Ze Kot 25 November 2015 11: 38 New
            +1
            Quote: Vladimir.z.
            Erdogan signed himself a death sentence, he is now a blood enemy to Putin .........



            Да да ... Он Эрдогана "зарэжэт" ...
        3. DEfindER
          DEfindER 25 November 2015 11: 05 New
          +3
          If the Turks nevertheless plead guilty, then at least they must pay compensation to the relatives of the deceased pilot and marine, as well as the cost of the lost plane and helicopter. Otherwise, their financial losses will be much higher. Russia for Turkey is a country that even without an armed forces can cause irreparable damage to the economy .. In general, it is not clear what Erdogan thought, probably holding his trump card in the sleeve in the form of Bosporus and Dardanelles, he thinks everything will be forgiven ..
          1. igorka357
            igorka357 25 November 2015 11: 33 New
            0
            Until Turkey declares war on the Bosphorus as an open strait, we are only obliged to warn that we have the right to go there whenever we want, and it will not declare Erdogash, the Turks themselves will burn and bring GDP on a silver platter .. the people in Turkey understand that they do not have against a nuclear power chances !!! As for the Bosphorus, this is so for reference !!!
        4. sharp-lad
          sharp-lad 25 November 2015 14: 14 New
          0
          Here is the answer, for every, even if it seemed, the flight of Turkish military aircraft into the airspace of Syria and Russia to bring down immediately, even if they are currently located over Istanbul! am
      2. Leviton
        Leviton 25 November 2015 10: 23 New
        16
        the mattresses achieved the main thing - the freezing of the Turkish stream and, consequently, the supply of gas to Europe through camp 404, + the blockade of Crimea, in general, is loading us with other people’s hands, and supposedly nothing to do with, their politics simply stinks with rot .....
        1. just exp
          just exp 25 November 2015 10: 36 New
          11
          they will transfer gas through Nord Stream 2, will go through Germany to the south, and the Deutsch have beaten out the right to be Europe’s gas hub. this is also beneficial for us, since Germany is a more adequate partner than Turks and Bulgarians.
          1. veksha50
            veksha50 25 November 2015 11: 32 New
            0
            Quote: just explo
            since Germany more adequate partner than Turks and Bulgarians


            Hmm ... doubts gnaw me ...
            1. just exp
              just exp 25 November 2015 12: 03 New
              0
              the Germans are also under the black heel, but they are less amenable to pressure from the Amers, that is, they are doing what they are required to do, but they are looking for workarounds, and in some positions, such as Nord Stream 2, they generally become a pose.
        2. hrych
          hrych 25 November 2015 10: 46 New
          15
          The main objective of the Turkish Stream was to force the Germans and other investors to build the second branch of the Nord Stream, which was achieved. Turkey itself is the first of all who suffer from the GDP plan, in order:
          1) The North Caucasus is pacified, Russia could not be thrown back from the Range, despite the mutual blood of the Vainakhs (without them in any way) they switched to the side of Moscow.
          2) The ridge was captured on 08.08.08. Not only did our steppe underbelly and granaries end up behind a fortress with thousand-meter walls, so they came to Armenia by dry route right through South Ossetia, and for pan-Turkism, it simply isolates the Turks from the Turkic world, plus the Russian base.
          3) Crimea returned to Russia, which means that it is no longer possible to pick it up.
          4) The last direction of pan-Turkism evaporated under our own blows, but from the opposite side of the borders with the Russian Federation.
          Take a look at the map, Russia overlaid Turkey from all sides, and you say gas. Not only does Turkey itself sit on the Blue Stream, it will never gain control over the transit of Qatari and Iranian pipes.
          Just the faith and the idea of ​​pan-Turkism collapsed before our eyes, and Turkey itself was snot because of the Kurdish issue. Here is such a byad and how not to hysteria ...
          1. anfil
            anfil 25 November 2015 11: 23 New
            +4


            A group of Kurds raising funds for Christian refugees in Kurdistan wrote on their social media page that the Kurds wanted to avenge the dead Russian Su-24 pilots in the sky over Syria.

            “Dear Russia, we Kurds will be happy to avenge your pilots. Just give us MANPADS, we will make a good no-fly zone for Erdogan, ”the report said.

            Kurdish militias fight against terrorists of the ISIS terrorist organization banned in Russia. The Kurds took control of the village of Khatuniya in the province of Al-Hasaka. Militias began to destroy the second-largest ISIS cell in Al-Hasaka province.
        3. nikolaev
          nikolaev 25 November 2015 11: 40 New
          0
          Turkish stream was an outlet for Greece and Serbia
    2. Alexnder
      Alexnder 25 November 2015 10: 08 New
      12
      So already last night, the Turks began to twist the z.o.p.o.p., we did not know whose plane ....
      V.y.r.o.dk.i !!!
      1. bubalik
        bubalik 25 November 2015 10: 09 New
        0
        The Pentagon does not need problems now ,,,
      2. Alim-1975
        Alim-1975 25 November 2015 10: 46 New
        +5
        This is not the last nonsense as an excuse on their part. Quite expected. It will still be.
    3. vorobey
      vorobey 25 November 2015 10: 09 New
      +6
      Quote: Wend
      And the throne of power will have a Turk in science


      not long left for him ...
    4. Hammer
      Hammer 25 November 2015 10: 09 New
      +5
      Слили матрасники Эрдогана! Сначала науськивали на Россию, а сейчас "я не я и лошадь не моя"! Ну как теперь выкручиваться будет? fool
      1. Stiletto
        Stiletto 25 November 2015 10: 23 New
        +7
        Quote: Hammer
        Слили матрасники Эрдогана! Сначала науськивали на Россию, а сейчас "я не я и лошадь не моя"! Ну как теперь выкручиваться будет?


        They have not leaked, they are hounding. They create ideal conditions for Russia and Turkey to get together as soon as possible. Who do you think will be the main beneficiary in this place?
        1. veksha50
          veksha50 25 November 2015 11: 35 New
          +3
          Quote: Stiletto
          Who do you think will be the main beneficiary in this place?



          Hmm ... no matter how Kurds ... Do you think the USA ??? And they think so ...
      2. avt
        avt 25 November 2015 10: 23 New
        +7
        Quote: Hammer
        Erdogan mattresses leaked!

        Его первого что ли ? Так же слили Саддама - сперва разрешили ему в ответ на письменную просьбу напасть на Кувейт , а потом до основания, после того как сами же своего клиента повесили, развалили страну.Опять же история учит тому , что она турок ничему не учит, особенно власть придержащих, надеющихся ,,крышу" у наглосаксов получить. Ну ведь когда ,,Больной человек Европы" перед 1914 м лез в Антанту с предложением услуг , что ему ответили ,,общечеловеки" ? Если вкратце - на время войны будет подтверждена целостность и нейтралитет ,,Высокой Порты" и все-е-е-е!Причем открытым текстом ! А потом германцы ,, передав" крейсера с экипажами надевшими фески , обстреляли береговые объекты Российской империи - по факту втянуули на своей стороне в войну с Россией.
        1. nikolaev
          nikolaev 25 November 2015 11: 37 New
          +2
          Совершенно очевидно ,что главный заказчик ФШП. Цель: поссорить Россию и Турцию, прекратить снабжение российским газом Турции, уничтожить проект "Турецкий поток" для Европы, перекрыть Босфор для России= прекратить Сирийский экспресс, т.о. затруднить проведение операций против ИГ и прочих.
          1. Karlovar
            Karlovar 25 November 2015 16: 18 New
            0
            In the process, Erdogan was framed .....
    5. Starover_Z
      Starover_Z 25 November 2015 10: 10 New
      +1
      [quote] The US President said that the United States and NATO support Turkey’s right to protect its national sovereignty. President Erdogan and President Obama reported their views coincide [/ quote
      А О`Бама не собирается лететь в Москву ?
      So that you can protect the national sovereignty of Russia! wink
      1. afdjhbn67
        afdjhbn67 25 November 2015 10: 55 New
        0
        Quote: Starover_Z
        The US and NATO support Turkey’s right to protect its national sovereignty. President Erdogan and President Obama

        Ghouls they are the most important thing in this story, even if our plane was over the territory of Turkey - why shoot down ?? usually there are enough protest notes, and starships to the crew and command .. obviously the stsuki hunted ours in the border zone, which clearly indicates a criminal intent .. And the question arises why our bomber was without cover in the border area, despite the presence of fighters in Syria ?? ? Forgot the story - How did Pakistanis hunt our flyers in Afghanistan ??
    6. RUS96
      RUS96 25 November 2015 10: 14 New
      10
      Exclusive: a stab in the back - the Russian SU-24 was shot down before our eyes
      1. Good me
        Good me 25 November 2015 10: 17 New
        20
        Quote: RUS96
        RUS96 (5) Today, 10: 14 ↑


        In addition to your avatar.
    7. GRAY
      GRAY 25 November 2015 10: 15 New
      0
      Media reports that one pilot, it seems, was saved. True, on serious resources, this news is not yet available.
    8. Yuyuka
      Yuyuka 25 November 2015 10: 19 New
      +6
      Now the United States will merge the Turks

      Yes, no one will merge them! NATO mutual responsibility. Although he’s a bastard, but this is our bastard (c) I think Reagan said that, so there is no need to harbor any illusions about this. It all depends on us how great will be the repentance and regret in the deed. it’s just that the answer must be not straightforward, very calculated, but very painful
      1. Vend
        Vend 25 November 2015 10: 50 New
        0
        Quote: Yuyuka
        Now the United States will merge the Turks

        Yes, no one will merge them! NATO mutual responsibility.
        Already started. One after another, allegations of the wrong and erroneous actions of Turkey follow. Friendship is friendship, and tobacco is apart.
        1. Good me
          Good me 25 November 2015 11: 31 New
          0
          Quote: Wend
          Quote: Yuyuka
          Now the United States will merge the Turks

          Yes, no one will merge them! NATO mutual responsibility.
          Already started. One after another, allegations of the wrong and erroneous actions of Turkey follow. Friendship is friendship, and tobacco is apart.


          Это хорошо... И чем сильнее "слив",особенно по линии НАТО, тем мы свободнее в своих действиях и выборе "инструментария"...
          1. Yuyuka
            Yuyuka 25 November 2015 15: 56 New
            +1
            Это хорошо... И чем сильнее "слив",особенно по линии НАТО, тем мы свободнее в своих действиях и выборе "инструментария"...

            did not notice that Putin will bother much in the toolbox repeat I think the answer will be sooo painful
    9. vlad_m
      vlad_m 25 November 2015 10: 23 New
      +1
      Video from ANNANEWS. Analysis of the provocation with the downed SU-24 and personnel rescue pilots and a broken turntable.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROgOqqeQAL4&feature=youtu.be
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      2. vlad_m
        vlad_m 25 November 2015 11: 09 New
        +2
        In the photo: one of the dead pilots of the Su-24, a Chelyabinsk citizen, a serviceman of the Shagol air base of the Russian Air Force Sergey Rumyantsev. Everlasting memory!

        http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2015/052/uzck271.jpg
        1. Yuyuka
          Yuyuka 25 November 2015 16: 49 New
          0
          In the photo: one of the dead pilots of the Su-24, a Chelyabinsk citizen, a serviceman of the Shagol air base of the Russian Air Force Sergey Rumyantsev. Everlasting memory!

          Thank God the navigator is alive and well, already returned to base! Still to find and return the body of the commander ...
    10. 79807420129
      79807420129 25 November 2015 10: 25 New
      +8
      The Turks are playing out, oh, playing out, this Turkish dolboklyuy seems to have got everyone, the whole world.
      1. Wild_grey_wolf
        Wild_grey_wolf 25 November 2015 10: 43 New
        +1
        This behavior of double standards is directly annoying them, it’s interesting. Clearly in the program Sunday will be Macle with Solovyov, maybe the Turks and how they will get out, as always rigging the Facts. Satanovsky will probably also be. . .
      2. Andrea
        Andrea 25 November 2015 10: 50 New
        0
        Not, well, finally! Amerikosy that, certainly not in the subject, merge allies.
        Then let's be objective until the end — the attack was from Syria.
        Turkomans, I hope, will now fall under the rink. Do not shoot horseradish, no matter where.
    11. sir_obs
      sir_obs 25 November 2015 11: 36 New
      0
      It seems to me that Russia can introduce a no-fly zone over Syria and bring down all who lurk in its space. America is not happy with the situation for various reasons. So they are groping in different directions, how to get out of the situation with a bigger profit for themselves. I do not absolutely believe in the objectivity of Americans.
      Their behavior, as in a joke about brokers.
      One asks the other how much will be two and two, the second is the answer ... but are we selling or buying?
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  3. avvg
    avvg 25 November 2015 10: 06 New
    +1
    Шила в мешке не утаишь,как не крути, все понимают,что турки "снесли забор".
    1. Good me
      Good me 25 November 2015 10: 21 New
      +3
      Quote: avvg
      Шила в мешке не утаишь,как не крути, все понимают,что турки "снесли забор".


      Администрация ! Понимаю,что "тиражирование" материалов в разных ветках подпадает под определение "флуд", но и ВЫ ПОЙМИТЕ, СЛУЧАЙ ОСОБЫЙ...

      Turkish politician in 2012 made a statement about the incident with a downed plane

      Erdogan: “Minor violation of the border is not an excuse for an attack”



      “A slight violation of the border cannot be an excuse for such an attack. A Turkish aircraft made a training flight, checking the operation of radars in the eastern part of the Mediterranean "- such a statement was made by Erdogan (then Prime Minister) in 2012 year after the Syrian military shot down the F-4 Phantom plane, which violated the airspace Syria.

      The original statement is available on the BBC website.

      On Tuesday, the Su-24 bomber crashed in Syria. Russian President Vladimir Putin said that the plane was shot down by an air-to-air missile from a Turkish F-16 aircraft and crashed into Syrian territory 4 km from the border with Turkey.
  4. KOH
    KOH 25 November 2015 10: 08 New
    +2
    The group "10th Coast Brigade" said that the body of one of the pilots is with her. The rebels said they were willing to exchange him for prisoners held by Syrian authorities. The network also appeared photos of the deceased pilot. The rebels indicated that the image depicts "dead Russian pilot Major Sergei Rumyantsev."

    Representatives of the rebel forces also posted a video with the body of the deceased pilot. Eliot Higgins, founder of the Billingcat Independent Civil and Journalistic Investigations Project, pointed to the identity of the deceased’s outfit with the outfit of Russian pilots in Syria.

    On Tuesday evening, Reuters and the Hurriyet Daily News talked about how Turkey considers both pilots to be survivors and is working on their release from captivity. It was reported that the Turkish national intelligence organization is in contact with the rebels in order to pick up the pilots from them.

    The Russian Su-24, which participated in the operation against terrorists in Syria, was shot down on the morning of November 24 near the Turkish-Syrian border. Ankara claims that the plane invaded the country's airspace, but in Moscow this information was refuted.

    Read more at RBC:
    http://www.rbc.ru/politics/25/11/2015/56551b2f9a79472caccfabe2
    1. GRAY
      GRAY 25 November 2015 10: 17 New
      0
      Quote: CON
      On Tuesday evening, Reuters and the Hurriyet Daily News talked about how Turkey considers both pilots to be survivors and is working on their release from captivity. It was reported that the Turkish national intelligence organization is in contact with the rebels in order to pick up the pilots from them.

      Now went infa that the Syrian Arab army saved him.
  5. venaya
    venaya 25 November 2015 10: 09 New
    +1
    NATO is guided not by the principles that its representatives love to talk about, but by political expediency

    They are guided by some principles, only these principles have nothing to do with international law, they are not profitable for them, therefore, they are not needed
  6. Aleksander
    Aleksander 25 November 2015 10: 10 New
    +8
    Expect sympathy from the enemy (NATO) is absolutely naive.
    1. sannych
      sannych 25 November 2015 10: 21 New
      +3
      No one is waiting for sympathy. I honestly will be very surprised if they at least admit that the plane was shot down over Syrian territory.
      1. Good me
        Good me 25 November 2015 11: 13 New
        +1
        Quote: sannych
        No one is waiting for sympathy. I honestly will be very surprised if they at least admit that the plane was shot down over Syrian territory.


        To be honest, I did not see or hear the OFFICIAL statement of NATO that they recognize the fact of the destruction of Su-24 over the territory of Syria request

        There are statements by the Western press, something from the State Department, but not from NATO ...
  7. Trailer
    Trailer 25 November 2015 10: 11 New
    +1
    Официальная позиция Госдепа похожа на "Эники-беники ели вареники"
  8. Yuyuka
    Yuyuka 25 November 2015 10: 13 New
    +1
    Турки еще пожалеют о своей "защите". Просто не надо торопиться, пусть расслабятся, а потом... "мы уважаем мнение турции, и потому летаем и бомбим издалека, точного оружия у нас почти не осталось и с такого расстояния мы к сожалению промахиваемся и те 124 старые ракеты которые попали на территорию турции наш косяк. все причастные понесут суровое наказание им будут досрочно присвоены очередные звания"
    1. Stiletto
      Stiletto 25 November 2015 10: 26 New
      +2
      Quote: Yuyuka
      Турки еще пожалеют о своей "защите". Просто не надо торопиться, пусть расслабятся, а потом... "мы уважаем мнение турции, и потому летаем и бомбим издалека, точного оружия у нас почти не осталось и с такого расстояния мы к сожалению промахиваемся и те 124 старые ракеты которые попали на территорию турции наш косяк. все причастные понесут суровое наказание им будут досрочно присвоены очередные звания"


      It would be mean, somehow stealthily. It is necessary to take revenge clearly, proudly and consciously. We have nothing to make excuses for, let those who dare to contact Russia make excuses.
  9. mag nit
    mag nit 25 November 2015 10: 14 New
    +6
    Long live the Kurdish People’s Republic in the territory of the former Turkey!
  10. Gray 43
    Gray 43 25 November 2015 10: 15 New
    0
    Our shot down the Turks are unlikely to dare in return, but to put on their base, easily, politely and revealingly
  11. Mercenary
    Mercenary 25 November 2015 10: 18 New
    +3
    It all fits together. The mattress workers do not succeed in the war until the last Ukrainian, they decided to fight until the last Turk. They substitute Erdogan and immediately agreed that the plane was shot down over Syria, confident that Russia would answer, the question is how? There’s a direct analogy with Ukraine, one scenario.
  12. WHG
    WHG 25 November 2015 10: 19 New
    +2
    IT IS NECESSARY TO INCREASE THE NUMBER OF AIRPLANES AND DEPARTURES. and plow there all slopes!
  13. AlexTires
    AlexTires 25 November 2015 10: 26 New
    +7
    What happened in Syria is a reminder to us that “we can,” and that the war, especially far from our borders, should be taken seriously.
    After 45, only a complete, sick patient could just take and shoot down a Soviet plane (except for the military situation, for example, the war in Korea). For this immunity - we paid 26 with millions of lives. But now - we can. And it did not begin with Putin and not with Yeltsin. Back in the eighties - Pakistani pilots under the roof of the United States - jacked and shot down Soviet attack aircraft, including over the territory of Afghanistan. And for this they - there was nothing that showed others that we could. And now we are paying for that weakness. Us - you can. And without a lot of blood - unfortunately, the reverse cannot be proved.
  14. Sergey Sitnikov
    Sergey Sitnikov 25 November 2015 10: 27 New
    +3
    The Kurds are the key to punishing Turkey, we did not intervene for a long time, but now it is time to arm them, and by shooting in the back they have lost the moral right to count on our understanding of their struggle against separatism within TURKEY. The Taleon (okosaoko) is unacceptable because only Turks and fagots are waiting for him, 40 km from the border - nothing for a cavalry attack of their air force at the Khmenim base at dawn (((...
  15. Kradi
    Kradi 25 November 2015 10: 27 New
    +2
    Now grab the minuses, but still I’ll say. Based on the information flow of ours and not ours over the past 16 hours, I am inclined to think that most likely FXNUMX shot down ours unintentionally. And when they realized what happened, they got scared. So the stuffing appeared that the pilots were alive, and the Turks were saving them. So they rushed to NATO immediately. So they put their own cancer. On the one hand it is necessary to support, on the other hand, aiding terrorists.
    I will be glad to see the falling aircraft of the Turks in the coming days.
    And also the corpses of the gunmen who shot the pilot.
    1. Mig-31
      Mig-31 25 November 2015 11: 01 New
      +2
      Quote: KraDI
      Based on the information flow of ours and not ours over the past 16 hours, I am inclined to think that most likely FXNUMX shot down ours unintentionally. And when they realized what happened, they got scared.

      Nah! All of him (farther) intentionally gave the order to bring down the Su 24 Sukhoi Air Force of the Russian Federation, the Turks just had such a bribe, trade, the money in their blood was fart for the bombed free oil, he gave an order to his head and now he’s pissing! It is necessary, It is necessary to answer immediately blood for blood, eye for eye. Only a power version and nothing more! If everyone slows down, everyone and sundry will wipe dirty feet about you.
    2. veksha50
      veksha50 25 November 2015 11: 48 New
      0
      Quote: KraDI
      I am inclined to think that most likely F16 shot down our unintentionally.


      Hmm, let me ask you a question: how - a fighter - can - bring down - an attack aircraft - yes - even - a stranger - Unintentionally ??
      1. Kradi
        Kradi 25 November 2015 13: 16 New
        0
        there the Syrian could fly. I mean, the one on f16 did not know that the Russian plane
        1. Karlovar
          Karlovar 25 November 2015 16: 53 New
          0
          There was an order for the attack, but, along the way, Erdogan was not in the know ... In this case, he was set up by his own generals (possibly oppositional or corny bought by penguins) ...
    3. Yuyuka
      Yuyuka 25 November 2015 16: 17 New
      0
      Based on the information flow of ours and not ours over the past 16 hours, I am inclined to think that most likely FXNUMX shot down ours unintentionally.

      а как же сразу несколько точек для съемки в хорошем качестве? почему если так накосячили не позвонить срочно нашим - ведь у них есть прямая линия? ну и наконец заявление Эрдогана о праве на защиту?? еще инфа была от американцев - было два наших самолет и два турецких, потом на ANNANEWS показывали спасение группы с севшего вертолета, и сказали, что один наш самолет ушел от ракеты, второй не успел. да и еще - F-16 нарезал круги перед атакой, то есть ждал удобного случая, не говоря о том, что все произошо после разгрома нефтяных "шлангов" из бензовозов hi
  16. kursk87
    kursk87 25 November 2015 10: 27 New
    +5
    Do not wait for an objective assessment of the incident with the Russian SU-24 from the US authorities. Americans will never support the actions of the Russian Federation in Syria. I won’t be surprised if this acacia was planned by Turkey together with the USA
  17. Vadimsh
    Vadimsh 25 November 2015 10: 28 New
    0
    0,5 mm of raptor tail entered into the territory of the SAR - is a violation of the sovereign border and the SAR did not invite them with all the ensuing consequences without warning
  18. veksha50
    veksha50 25 November 2015 10: 29 New
    +3
    "The White House believes, что «российский самолет был сбит в сирийском воздушном пространстве"...

    Well, yes, yes ... BUT (!!!) allegedly with violation of the Turkish space by our plane ... Although the controls, both Russian and Syrian air defense, completely reject the location of the Russian aircraft over Turkey, but F-16, who shot him down, was in Syrian airspace ...

    I think the pilot guys from the Russian Aerospace Forces in Syria are determined not only to strike at the IS, but also to avenge their friends ...

    The cruiser Moscow received a clear, unequivocal order to destroy everything that could threaten our aircraft and base ... Now the S-400 is deployed, as a result, not only Syrian airspace will be controlled, but also most of Turkish ...

    We can only wait and hope ... Now in the world a situation has arisen for Russia that it is impossible to retreat in any case ...

    I just want to wish Putin and the members of the National Security Council a sober, balanced sanity and the adoption of competent and effective decisions ...
  19. dr. sem
    dr. sem 25 November 2015 10: 30 New
    +3
    Корпорации в лице СГА в очередной раз прощупывают элиту РФ на "вшивось". Так было в войне 08.08.08, так было с Укропией... Теперь вот через Чуркестан действуют...
    How SGAshniki will behave completely depends on the reaction of the Russian Federation. Not from Putin’s words, but from concrete actions ... Words are fog and bluff. You can always refuse them, but CASES ...
    Cases are not visible yet !!!
    Призыв "не ездить в Чуркестан"- это НЕ ДЕЛО... Это блеяние...
  20. DMoroz
    DMoroz 25 November 2015 10: 31 New
    0
    And in Washington, now, a bogey because of the Turks, she is in NATO, although she is incomplete. And if these Ottomans are accomplices of terrorism, then all of their so-called the coalition is automatically considered the same ... either to merge the Turks, or according to Art. 5 of the NATO Charter to act together. The dilemma, however ... And recently, vassals of mattress-mates on NATO have already grumbled, Europe decides to create its own European armed forces ... We wait, sir, maybe during my life this dump will fall apart ...
    1. nikolaev
      nikolaev 25 November 2015 11: 32 New
      0
      igil = US something else to be explained?
  21. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 25 November 2015 10: 37 New
    +1
    How is it in American, at first to hustle, and then substitute. They have long wanted to put Erdogashka on a short leash ...
  22. Valkh
    Valkh 25 November 2015 10: 38 New
    0
    Quote: RUS96
    Exclusive: a stab in the back - the Russian SU-24 was shot down before our eyes

    Thanks for the video, have not seen it !!!!!
  23. One
    One 25 November 2015 10: 38 New
    +1
    First, the Ukrainians fired on our settlements on our territory - they wiped themselves out, now the plane was shot down just like that - do we die? Well then, there is nothing to talk about a great people, this people have long been a rag or rag for wiping their feet and cloning slaves for fat belts. Our grandfathers and great-grandfathers would know ....
    1. Karlovar
      Karlovar 25 November 2015 17: 00 New
      0
      Offer to declare war on Ukraine and Turkey, then the whole of NATO ????? Volunteer to the front line ??? Or to the home front workers ???
  24. AdekvatNICK
    AdekvatNICK 25 November 2015 10: 38 New
    +2
    I want to note that if the situation worsens, it is necessary to tighten control over arriving stuffed animals from Turkey, because if they allow terrorists to wait for blows from the Russian air forces on their territory, they can safely let a couple of bearded men with belts into our territory.
    1. Karlovar
      Karlovar 25 November 2015 17: 03 New
      0
      The visa-free regime must be abolished, tourists themselves will stop going there, some because of crowbars, some out of patriotism ... This is like the first return move ....
  25. Sst
    Sst 25 November 2015 10: 45 New
    0
    надо не "полагать", а смотреть на данные объективного контроля - спутники, беспилотники, и прочие вещи.
  26. One
    One 25 November 2015 10: 46 New
    +1
    Wake up !!!!! They are already here! The special operation in Nalchik the other day says about the chrm. Soon the Caucasus will erupt again, soon they will again kill us in our own territory, in our homes. The battle is just beginning, it is still in its infancy, the main thing is yet to come.
  27. Evil 55
    Evil 55 25 November 2015 10: 54 New
    0
    UKRAINE, Egypt, Turkey ... who is next in this bedlam of cowards and traitors?
    1. AdekvatNICK
      AdekvatNICK 25 November 2015 11: 12 New
      +1
      Georgia forgot to indicate.
  28. Alstorm
    Alstorm 25 November 2015 10: 57 New
    +2
    US President says US and NATO support Turkey’s right to protect its national sovereignty


    Maybe Syria and Russia will also more carefully defend their national sovereignty. And to beat the fuck all that without permission invades the Syrian and Russian airspace. And then call for calm and de-escalation.
  29. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 25 November 2015 10: 58 New
    0
    Still in a year they would conclude about this. Now this is not the point, but how to punish Erdogan. Although there is a plan for a long time.
  30. Dikson
    Dikson 25 November 2015 11: 18 New
    0
    I think our next board will be shot down over the Baltic .. And what, the Turks can, but the Lithuanians can not?
  31. russmensch
    russmensch 25 November 2015 11: 23 New
    +2
    Вчера, после работы я налил три стопочки водки, две накрыл кусочком хлеба и помянул летчика и морпеха. Я их не знал, но они погибли за всех нас. Погибли из-за подлянки... И здесь не только турки виноваты, здесь виноваты западные "миротворцы" и демократизаторы. В очередной раз нам дали урок, что ни на западе, ни на востоке у нас нет друзей. Есть только враг, ожидающий удобного момента воткнуть нож в спину. Поймут ли это в нашем руководстве?
    1. ending
      ending 25 November 2015 12: 11 New
      0
      I can not plus yet. New registration, lost my old login password.

      Kowtow to you, brother. And the eternal memory of the soldiers.
    2. Yuyuka
      Yuyuka 25 November 2015 16: 28 New
      0
      Once again, we were given a lesson that we have no friends in either the West or the East. There is only an enemy waiting for a convenient moment to stick a knife in the back. Will this be understood in our manual?

      I also recalled how Georgia attacked Ossetia and Putin tried to get in touch with Bush, but he was inaccessible! The hope and support of our president is only his people! I just want to say - when will they treat their people accordingly ?? Or, as at all times, they know that Russians even curse the authorities, but when they put their homeland in danger of life for it! How much can you use this ??
  32. sgr291158
    sgr291158 25 November 2015 11: 26 New
    0
    Wait for the dog’s response.
  33. nikolaev
    nikolaev 25 November 2015 11: 30 New
    0
    when the United States says or does something, look and think what meanness they are up to, until you understand, do not draw conclusions. It always is!
    Совершенно очевидно ,что главный заказчик ФШП. Цель: поссорить Россию и Турцию, прекратить снабжение российским газом Турции, уничтожить проект "Турецкий поток" для Европы, перекрыть Босфор для России= прекратить Сирийский экспресс, т.о. затруднить проведение операций против ИГ и прочих.
  34. Streich
    Streich 25 November 2015 11: 32 New
    0
    À la guerre comme à la guerre. In war as in war. Unfortunately, the death of warriors is inevitable, but when a bang in the back. This is a malicious betrayal, and stupid, at the request of amers. I hope the answer will be. BUT WHY THE BOMBERS DIDN'T HAVE ANY COVERAGE. War is not a walk in the clouds. Where is the cover ..........
    Our heroes pilots cheers. I will perish the eternal memory. The second seems to have been saved.
  35. Not served
    Not served 25 November 2015 11: 54 New
    +1
    Earlier, Barack Obama had a telephone conversation with the President of Turkey. Here is how Erdogan’s office described him: “During the conversation, they discussed the topic of a Russian plane shot down by Turkey, which violated Turkish airspace. The US President said that the United States and NATO support Turkey’s right to protect its national sovereignty. "President Erdogan and President Obama said their views were similar regarding the need to take measures to prevent a recurrence of the incident and the importance of reducing tensions."


    The Turks, like a cheap cowardly shit, immediately ran to complain to the black master. Looks like overloading specifically. It cannot be called otherwise. Jackals ...
  36. ending
    ending 25 November 2015 12: 04 New
    0
    Prophecies of Paisius the Holy Mountaineer

    The Middle East will become the scene of wars in which Russians will take part. A lot of blood will be shed, and even the Chinese will cross the Euphrates River, having 200.000.000 army, and reach Jerusalem. A characteristic sign that these events are approaching will be the destruction of the Omar mosque, since its destruction will mean the beginning of work on the reconstruction of the temple of Solomon, which was built on that spot.

    In Constantinople there will be a great war between Russians and Europeans, and a lot of blood will be shed. Greece will not play a leading role in this war, but they will give it to Constantinople, not because the Russians will revere us, but because there is no better solution, and agree together with Greece, and difficult circumstances will put pressure on them. The Greek army will not have time to go there, as the city will be given to her.

    http://sv-afon.orthodoxy.ru/svjatye/paisi_af/paisiy.htm
  37. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 25 November 2015 12: 04 New
    +1
    In Soviet times, contacts with the PKK were well established and assistance was provided in their struggle. Now it is simply necessary to renew lost contacts and establish new ones to assist with weapons. Over time, this measure will work well in the struggle of the Kurds against the Turks.
  38. Babai Balkan
    Babai Balkan 25 November 2015 12: 45 New
    0
    there is such garbage as gravity, inertia, etc. If the plane lost its engines, flew into the air, etc., then he or his remains will fly by inertia in the direction in which he flew before the tragedy. If he fell from 6km to 4km inland from the border, then at least he should plan. And in order to plan, then naturally he could not burn, because it burns for several seconds. And if it didn’t burn, then it wasn’t shot down by a rocket and the video (with emphasis and good quality) is bullshit.
    ..как и пересечение территории 2,5км , во время которого 10!!! раз сушку предупрежлали... Ан-2 может "спешить" на 180км/ч, что равносильно 3км/мин. Т.е. ему понадобится 50секунд для пролёта.... Сколько раз Вы успеете выпалить.какую-нибудь дежурную фразу? Ага, значит сушка шла ЕЩЁ МЕДЛЕННЕЕ!!!
    .. well, well, nafig them .. They add 2 2 on a computer and their loaves grow on trees !!! And they live in Down Towns !!!!
  39. vair
    vair 25 November 2015 13: 22 New
    0
    Quote: DEfindER
    If the Turks nevertheless plead guilty, then at least they must pay compensation to the relatives of the deceased pilot and marine, as well as the cost of the lost plane and helicopter. Otherwise, their financial losses will be much higher. Russia for Turkey is a country that even without an armed forces can cause irreparable damage to the economy .. In general, it is not clear what Erdogan thought, probably holding his trump card in the sleeve in the form of Bosporus and Dardanelles, he thinks everything will be forgiven ..

    I don’t have any printed words at the expense of the Turks, this is not only a stab in the back, but also a spit in the face, and omit the question of honor for this !!! It’s interesting, if indeed the strait will risk closing for us! What are our actions supposed to be?