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The Turks shot down a Russian Su-24 bomber: it allegedly violated Turkish airspace. The media reported that the Syrian soldiers managed to evacuate one of the catapulted pilots to the air base Hamim. The co-pilot was killed by fire from the ground. The United States approached this provocation flexibly: US State Department spokesman Mark Toner said that Syrian ethnic Turkmen could shoot the catapulted pilot ... in order to defend themselves. The general attitude of the West was expressed by the figure-doll - the former US ambassador to the UN, John Bolton. This Mr. advised Putin to “dump” on the plane incident, since the Russians themselves are “guilty.”




A Russian Su-24 bomber was hit on Tuesday by an air-to-air missile by a Turkish F-16 fighter. The aircraft was at an altitude of 6 thousand meters in 1 km from the Turkish border. According to Russian President Vladimir Putin, this incident will have serious consequences for Russian-Turkish relations.

“In any case, our pilots, our plane did not threaten the Turkish Republic. This is the obvious thing. They conducted operations to combat ISIS ", - quotes Putin TASS.

The president noted that the bomber operated in the mountainous part of northern Latakia, "where militants are concentrated, mainly immigrants from the Russian Federation." According to Putin, “the loss is connected with the blow that the supporters of terrorism inflicted on us in the back”.

So, the Kremlin qualified the actions of the Turkish side as aiding terrorism.

The West looks at the attack by the Turks of the Russian bomber and the subsequent shooting from the ground at the ejected pilots differently.

On this link You can read the full recording of Mark Toner's speech, one of the main official "talking heads" of the US State Department.

According to Toner (read according to the State Department and Washington in general), everything is simple: Turkey has the right to protect its airspace. In addition, this is not the first such incident with the Russians, who are not at all members of a broad coalition fighting the “IS”.

To a question from a journalist about whether the forces of ethnic Turkmen (turkoman forces) “killed two Russian pilots descending by parachute,” Toner said briefly: “Yeah.” Then the journalist said: “The forces of the Turkmen are supported by Turkey and are fighting against the Syrian government; they are part of the rebels there. Do you think these rebels are “moderately strong” in Syria? ”To this, Toner remarked that probably one Russian pilot was still not killed, as there are reports; there are “conflicting opinions” about forces.

Toner further said that if Russia attacked these Turkmen, then those “have every right to defend themselves.” But there is no complete information on this subject, he avoided a direct response from Toner.

The journalist turned out to be persistent: “And well, they have the right to shoot at pilots descending on parachutes?”

Angry Toner said in response: "We do not have a complete, clear understanding of everything that happened today, do you understand?" And he added that he is able to repeat this phrase for a whole day. “We are still trying to determine exactly what happened,” he said gently.

American authoritative magazine "Foreign Policy" believes that the downed Russian plane and the death of at least one pilot is the gravest incident between Russia and the state that is in NATO.

NATO has already arranged an "emergency meeting" in Brussels, the newspaper notes. What "measures" the alliance will take is not yet clear. According to the publication, the disaster with the Russian bomber will be a “dilemma” for Barack Obama and his allies in the anti-Igilov coalition. In addition, after the terrorist attacks in Paris, a number of NATO countries are discussing the possibility of more intensive participation in the Syrian "war in the air."

The magazine writes that the Su-24 bomber was shot down near the Syrian border. Between the Russian and Turkish officials there is a “bitter dispute” about which side he was shot down. The Turkish military also claimed that they had warned the plane for five minutes to turn around and warned “ten times”. Then came the attack, and then the "Syrian rebel group" said that its fighters fired pilots descending to the ground with parachutes.

Also, the publication reminds that the incident occurred just when tension increased between Turkey and Russia. Earlier, Ankara "expressed dissatisfaction" with the shelling of "Turkmen villages" in the north of Syria by Russian forces. On this occasion, last week, Russian Ambassador A. Charles was called "on the carpet".

Finally, the magazine reminds that in response to the actions of Russian UAVs and airplanes passing near the Turkish border, Washington sent 6 F-15 US Air Force fighters with air-to-air missiles to the Incirlik airbase in Turkey. The European command of the United States reported that the move was "a response to the request of the Turkish government for assistance in ensuring the sovereignty of Turkish airspace."

The Journal "Forbes" An article by Mark Adomanis, an American columnist who often writes about Russia, was published.

He recounts the Kremlin’s reaction to the incident: President Putin called Ankara’s actions a “stab in the back”, and Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov canceled his scheduled visit and at the same time advised Russians to refrain from traveling to Turkey.

Turkey, in response, convened a meeting of the NATO Council and made statements on the protection of "territorial integrity".

Will there be a third world war? Professor New York University Mark Galeotti argues that the situation with the plane will not lead to the Third World. Firstly, it is extremely doubtful that the Russians want to start a war against Turkey. Secondly, even if they wanted, they do not have the resources for such a large-scale undertaking. And in general, the Russian army has “very limited capabilities” for the transfer of forces and means, and they are not capable of waging war with a “serious rival” like Turkey. The professor is waiting for only "angry statements", primarily from Putin, and nothing more.

Adomanis himself believes that the incident with the Su-24 can hardly be “carefully resolved”. The consequences will be. They will appear in the Middle East, since the Russians and the Turks are pursuing opposite goals there. The incident can give a start to a long "smoldering conflict." The Russians can assist the Kurdish detachments, and not very much, and the Turks will pay back with the same coin and “help” the militants of the North Caucasus.

British newspaper «The Guardian» believes that the "shooting" by Turkish forces of the Russian Su-24 will lead to an increase in tension between the two countries. In essence, this is the first present and direct clash between a member of NATO and the armed forces of the Russian Federation.

Since then, NATO and the US coalition operating in Iraq and Syria have been confronted with the possibility of a tough confrontation with Moscow.

Earlier, Turkey has repeatedly expressed concern about the "attacks on Turkmen" - Sunnis from the Muslim minority, which many Turks consider to be "near and dear to the people." Like the Turkish government, the Turkmen are against Syrian President Bashar al-Assad. The Turkish authorities claim that the Russian military forces are mainly beating on anti-assad rebel groups inside Syria, and not at all on the positions of "IG".

The British edition reminds that Ottoman Turkey and Tsarist Russia fought a war in 1877-78. Tov. Stalin for a short time claimed the part of eastern Turkey at the end of World War II. True, in recent times, relations between the two states have improved (after a series of “energy and trade deals”). Russia became the second trading partner of Turkey. Today 60% of natural gas comes from Russia.

American Online Journal "The Slate" believes that Turkey and Russia will henceforth be “problematic partners.” However, it is not about gas trading.

Journalist Joshua Keating, specializing in international topics, doubts that Russians and Turks are unlikely to join together in any “project” aimed at destroying “IG”. In addition, Russia is more interested in maintaining the "Syrian regime", while Turkey is more interested in the bombing of "Kurdish militants" who are just showing success in the fight against "IG".

In addition, after the tragic Tuesday, Russia is unlikely to be able to cooperate with NATO forces in Syria.

Finally, Putin can step up a campaign against Turkish rebel groups operating in Syria.

The journalist said last Tuesday “a good day for both the Assad regime and the IG.”

There is also a German opinion about a catastrophe in the sky.

In the newspaper "Frankfurter Rundschau" A replica of Vice Chancellor Sigmar Gabriel was published. He criticized the actions of Ankara.

According to Gabriel, the incident showed that the Russians are not unpredictable, but the Turks.

Speaking at a political conference in Berlin on Tuesday, the leader of the SPD noted that the Russians had “confronted airspace,” but the fact that Turkey “is an unpredictable player in this conflict” cannot be hidden.

The former US ambassador to the UN, John Bolton, summed up a peculiar result of Western statements.

He commented for Fox News incident with the Su-24.


Mr Bolton on Fox News


John Bolton blamed Moscow for the incident. Moreover, he suggested that Barack Obama advise Vladimir Putin on issues related to the incident to “back off”.

According to Mr. Bolton, the Russians had nothing to do in that area at all, and such an aerial incident was easily "predictable." And even it is strange that something like “did not happen before.”

Of course, Bolton does not blame Turkey. But blames Russia, which, according to the ex-ambassador, "invaded NATO airspace."

Thus, let us add on our own, the general attitude of the West is obvious: the “guilty” Russia, through the mouths of a political doll, was advised to “kick off”, because the NATO state cannot be wrong, but Moscow is proving to be out of place.

As for the execution of a pilot with a parachute, the Turkmen militants in this case were “defended” with “full” right. That is what flexible thinkers from the US State Department think. And if some journalists ask thinkers uncomfortable questions at the briefings - for example, about the strange “right to shoot at pilots descending on parachutes,” then the State Department representative can always say that he does not have “full and clear understanding”.

There is no understanding, but there are conclusions.
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  1. neznakomez
    neznakomez 25 November 2015 09: 17 New
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    Syrian fighters could open fire on catapulted pilots of a downed Russian Su-24 bomber as part of self-defense. This opinion was expressed at a briefing by the official representative of the US State Department Mark Toner.
    “If the Turkmen forces [ethnic Turkmens] were attacked by Russian air strikes, they had the right to defend themselves,” said Toner, commenting on the death of Russian pilots. At the same time, in response to the journalist’s question about whether shooting at catapulted pilots can be considered self-defense, he added that the State Department does not have a clear picture of what happened.
    Is there a brain? What self-defense ???
    My opinion is to destroy indiscriminately all the rebels in the area !!!
    1. SS68SS
      SS68SS 25 November 2015 09: 19 New
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      There is no understanding, but there are conclusions.


      Conclusions without understanding the essence are called vysery. However, intracranial sewage ameri.kashki were always rich and even with slight fluctuations, sprayed only dirt and stink ...

      My opinion is to destroy indiscriminately all the rebels in the area !!!


      That's right.
      1. _Vladislav_
        _Vladislav_ 25 November 2015 13: 20 New
        +1
        According to Mr. Bolton, the Russians had nothing to do in that area.

        So to argue, Turkey has nothing to do where it is.

        Moreover, there is no doubt that Russia has first-class pilots, including those from the aerobatic teams "Strizhi", "Russian Knights", "Falcons of Russia". They have not yet fired at NATO aircraft.
        1. Goodmen
          Goodmen 25 November 2015 16: 16 New
          +9
          Moreover, there is no doubt that Russia has first-class pilots, including those from the aerobatic teams "Strizhi", "Russian Knights", "Falcons of Russia". They have not yet fired at NATO aircraft.

          Brother !!!
          If this is EVERYTHING that can counter the Russian Air Force (in your understanding), then in the air we have nothing to do)))
          The groups listed by you undoubtedly consist of asses .... but this is for SHOW !!!
          Speeches to the public, not the shock group)))
          I have no doubt about their professionalism, but ... it's mine ...)))
          Not in "including", but simply - there are torturers))) So they just will cover. And now let's think about how much one combat sortie of a fighter costs, correlate it to the number of planned sorties of bombers (which previously flew without cover) and get a figure ... (((This act by the amers by the hands of the Turks, among other things negative, also divorce our budget for a very big money ...
          1. _Vladislav_
            _Vladislav_ 25 November 2015 16: 42 New
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            Quote: Goodmen
            Brother !!!
            If this is EVERYTHING that can counter the Russian Air Force (in your understanding), then in the air we have nothing to do)))

            winked Bro, well, of course this is not all, everything is known to people directly related to this activity, if you are more knowledgeable in this area - I will be glad to listen.

            I, on the level of just a layman in the field of the Air Force (VKS), wanted to convey through my post an idea, quote:
            Quote: _Vladislav_
            including and from the aerobatic teams "Swifts" .....

            That is, including. Do you feel the difference brother? I didn’t say that was all.

            It is no secret that the pilots included in the above groups are not stupidly equilibrists, but took and are taking part in military operations, and they are all military personnel.

            Quote: Goodmen
            (((This act from the side of the Amers by the hands of the Turks, among other things, negative, also the divorce of our budget for a lot of money ...

            Not for the first and not the last time, it’s time to get used to it - this is war. So I do not understand what is the meaning of your panic.
          2. Asadullah
            Asadullah 25 November 2015 21: 56 New
            +2
            This act from the side of the Amer’s hands of the Turks, among other negative things, also divorces our budget for a lot of money ...


            There is no longer a budget matter. The situation of a separate war budget is emerging. Even a separate war economy.
            1. Alena Frolovna
              Alena Frolovna 25 November 2015 23: 53 New
              +9
              The war has been going on for a long time and in many ways.
              The news said that the place of the tragedy where our SU was shot down was well ironed, stroked and caressed. I believe that our response to the Turks will not be such that the whole world is in ruin ...

              But ...

              In vain you, the Turks, shot down a Russian plane on the birthday of the Russian Generalissimo Alexander Vasilievich Suvorov.



              And those about the Turks were spoken by those whom Suvorov once saved.

              Turkey is a country of small mind (Slavic proverb)

              Rather, the chicken will fly, than the Turks will learn to love. (Arabic saying)

              You are dealing with a Turk - do not let go of the stick. (Armenian proverb)

              You want the Turk to obey you - hit him with a stick. (Armenian proverb)

              The devil has many guises, the most important of which is Turkic. (Assyrian saying)

              Where the Turkish foot went the grass does not grow. (Bulgarian saying)

              If a Turk speaks of peace, then there will be war. (Greek saying)

              Bad life, that neighborhood with the Turk. (Kurdish proverb)

              Build people demolish the Turks. (Serbian saying)

              The rooster will not lay eggs, and the Turk will not become a man. (Romanian proverb)

              Suddenly, I recalled how, after the liberation of Corfu from French intervention, the Turks wanted to slaughter all captured Frenchmen, but our admiral, and now Saint Theodore Ushakov, bought these unfortunates from the Turks. For the sake of money, they forgot about their cruelty.
      2. Rus2012
        Rus2012 25 November 2015 19: 46 New
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        Quote: SS68SS
        That's right.

        3,14ndosam tore off the roof !!!!!!!!!

        US Treasury imposes sanctions on four individuals from Russia and six Russian companies in connection with the situation in Syria. It is reported by RIA Novosti. Original RT news in Russian:
        https://russian.rt.com/article/132682

        Well, cho’ll have to be treated ... with disposable syringes in the head. Topoli-M and Yars ?!
    2. ZU-23
      ZU-23 25 November 2015 09: 27 New
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      Of course, the truth in this tragedy is ours, well, knowing that the Turks support terrorism, moreover, they have repeatedly indicated that they will bring down, and we take and fly a kilometer from their borders, this is a simple irresponsibility for our pilots, in this case the command have a sense of atmosphere, not only invoke international law. I look forward to cons from those who believe that we have no problems.
      1. hrych
        hrych 25 November 2015 10: 07 New
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        Quote: ZU-23
        this is simple irresponsibility for our pilots

        The Communist Party wrote about Erdogan’s plan to destroy our plane a month ago, and their nerves passed when the Turkish fuel trucks were destroyed ... If the journalists wrote, then the intelligence knew exactly about this plan and, accordingly, a GDP plan had already been developed for this. Unlike hysterics such as Erdogan, the GDP retained endurance, even though it called a spade a spade, i.e. Turks are accomplices of terrorists. To win in Syria and Iraq, since the Russian Federation has taken up this, full support of the Kurds is simply necessary, and this will inevitably lead to a clash with Turkey, official relations will be established with the RCP now, and Peshmerga will receive the most modern Russian weapons, in particular MANPADS and ATGMs, and taking into account the mountainous terrain, where the Turks are so stuck, they will receive a crushing defeat, plus the Erdogan family will be overthrown and destroyed by the Kemalists, who will blow off for his deeds ... My version is that they were waiting for this incident, they are ready for it and do not forget, sometimes it takes make a sacrifice on the altar of victory. Even the monarchies of Arabia turned away from ISIS, for everyone rushed to the GDP, the Jordanian king was no exception, everyone reconciled, and the Turks had a bowel, hence the hysteria. Now the West will beautifully dissociate itself from the Turks, and our hands will be untied, right up to the liquidation of Turkey ...
        1. sad1940
          sad1940 25 November 2015 10: 48 New
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          Quote: hrych
          Now the West will beautifully dissociate itself from the Turks, and our hands will be untied, right up to the liquidation of Turkey ...

          Dreaming is not bad, but thinking is the same.
          1. hrych
            hrych 25 November 2015 11: 03 New
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            Quote: sad1940
            Dreaming is not bad, but thinking is the same.

            So far, all the enemy tricks in recent years have led to a positive result for us as a state, of course, which speaks of the foresight (of the GRU prophet) and the miscalculation of the combinations by our leader. The current situation is no exception, plus the current alliance with Iran requires dropping economic agreements unnecessary in the new reality with Turkey, in particular on the gas issue, the construction of a nuclear power plant (pan-Turkism did not yet give the opportunity to acquire nuclear weapons for the future), defense orders. Now all this will go to Iran, and Iranian pipes will go belay in Russia along the bottom of the Caspian. I repeat, the agreements of the past reality with the Turks have lost their relevance, but here is such a chic occasion ...
            1. sad1940
              sad1940 25 November 2015 23: 15 New
              +2
              Quote: hrych
              plus the current alliance with Iran

              Iran is not much better than the Turks, also a thing in itself. What is called to be friends, but keep your back protected
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            skeptic
            skeptic 25 November 2015 11: 41 New
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            Quote: sad1940
            Quote: hrych
            Now the West will beautifully dissociate itself from the Turks, and our hands will be untied, right up to the liquidation of Turkey ...


            Dreaming is not bad, but thinking is the same.


            ... Turkey is more interested in the bombing of "Kurdish militants" who are just demonstrating success in the fight against IS.

            The plane that fought with the US IGhybrids was shot down, by the plane of the opposite Thoron - ISIS accomplices (PIG). Russia has the right (called upon by the legitimate government of Syria) to destroy IS and their accomplices, and therefore to protect the Kurds as the most effective force in the fight against IS and to supply air defense weapons to combat PIG aircraft.
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  • skeptic
    skeptic 25 November 2015 11: 43 New
    +7
    Quote: sad1940
    Quote: hrych
    Now the West will beautifully dissociate itself from the Turks, and our hands will be untied, right up to the liquidation of Turkey ...

    Dreaming is not bad, but thinking is the same.


    The plane that fought with the USA Hybrid was shot down, and the aircraft of the opposite side - IG accomplices (PIG). Russia has the right (called upon by the legitimate government of Syria) to destroy IS and their accomplices, and therefore to protect the Kurds as the most effective force in the fight against IS and to supply air defense weapons to combat PIG aircraft.
  • Mareman Vasilich
    Mareman Vasilich 25 November 2015 11: 09 New
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    That's exactly what this action was preparing. The Turks were waiting for a convenient moment. And they deliberately took this step because they knew that there would be no consequences. Gas as it went and will go, but they don’t care for the tourist industry, the Chinese will come instead of ours. Fruits will be driven in a roundabout way and will also be sold with us. Comrade, do not forget that people for the sake of money didn’t care about everything. Therefore, if there are changes in relations with Turkey, then cosmetic ones that do not affect anything.
    1. Cap.Morgan
      Cap.Morgan 25 November 2015 17: 22 New
      +2
      Why should the Chinese go to them? China has its seas - heaps.
      The tourism industry is a significant part of the Turkish economy and provides many jobs.
      1. bondarencko
        bondarencko 26 November 2015 14: 29 New
        -1
        And, by the way, basically rose due to our cosmopolitans.
  • ZU-23
    ZU-23 25 November 2015 11: 39 New
    +7
    Quote: hrych
    My version is that they were waiting for this incident, they are ready for it and do not forget, sometimes it is required to make a sacrifice on the Victory Altar

    I also had such a version and does exist, but I don’t like it, especially for pilots. Without such a trick, one can find a reason to arm the Kurds.
    1. hrych
      hrych 25 November 2015 11: 54 New
      +9
      Quote: ZU-23
      Without such a trick, one can find a reason to arm the Kurds.

      Naturally hoped that the Turks would not dare to take this action and there was no point in aggravating the Kurds, however, the stupidity and imbalance of Erdogan led to a new reality and we (I hope) are ready for it. Naturally, our friendship with Iran would definitely lead to a deterioration in relations with the Turks, but Iran is more valuable as ethnically (descendants of the Aryans) economically (the richest bowels, the uranium reserve is especially valuable - 235, according to one version the US softening is not for them for oil, and since this isotope ends in Australia and holes need to be plugged, the rest is controlled by the Russian Federation and China), politically (restrained foreign policy, until they are touched, lack of claims to our lands, etc.), religiously (Shiites do not challenge, tolerant of Christians), do not obey the Masonic backstage, etc.
    2. aksakal
      aksakal 25 November 2015 19: 20 New
      +1
      Quote: ZU-23
      The second version existed and exists, but I do not like it, especially for pilots
      - who would like to be a sacrificial pawn? This is WITHOUT a derogatory meaning to Peshkov and Pozinich, they are HEROES, deep respect to them, but alas, Khrych's version also seems plausible to me and I also don't like it because of its cynicism. But what can you do? Big politics is a cynical thing in itself, and if you needed to achieve your goals, in particular, to start arming the same Peshmerga, then this attack from the Turks - again, I apologize for the cynicism - is a direct gift from them. Now arm the Peshmerga, and your conscience is clear, and no one will accuse you of sabotage against Turkey, for Turkey itself messed up specifically. As for other reasons to arm the Kurds - alas, well, name your options, I could give a couple of options, but they will look UNCONVINCABLE and look far-fetched. It's as if you want to get to the bottom of someone on the street in order to clean his snout, then you will, of course, get to the bottom, because you can even get to the bottom of a street lamp ("what are you standing here, and even tangled with wires, and even shining "Do you give a light signal to the road?"), But it will look deliberate, everyone was in such a situation, there are not many young people here. And if the one whom you planned to get to the bottom of, got to the bottom of you himself, then there is really a gift. Well, forgive me for the example, not everyone here likes examples from street experience, although everyone is from the USSR, in all cities there were streets and back streets, and in St. Petersburg ("if a fight cannot be avoided, hit first!" wink ), and in Almaty, they all remember and use this as a personal experience.
  • Svetlana
    Svetlana 25 November 2015 12: 12 New
    +3
    Quote: hrych
    our hands will be untied, right up to the liquidation of Turkey ...

    Yes, if it were 1952 now, we would safely regain Constantinople, taking advantage of this situation. And no cattle would stop us.
    1. anip
      anip 25 November 2015 12: 15 New
      +6
      Quote: Svetlana
      we would boldly regain Constantinople

      Was he once Russian (Russian)?
      1. aksakal
        aksakal 25 November 2015 19: 26 New
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        Quote: anip
        Was he once Russian (Russian)?
        - was not. But control of the Bosphorus has been the blue dream of Russia since the time of Catherine the Great. And now NON-CONTROL over the Bosphorus is causing you inconvenience. If Turkey wants - alas, it will block the supply of the air group in Syria lightly. Dreams must be fulfilled, then they are dreams
      2. bondarencko
        bondarencko 26 November 2015 14: 35 New
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        Wait, WILL!
    2. bondarencko
      bondarencko 26 November 2015 14: 34 New
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      And don't forget the STRAINS!
  • Konstantin Yu
    Konstantin Yu 25 November 2015 10: 20 New
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    Without our giveaway, we are nowhere .. one old plane, without cover, at the borders of the igil accomplices with a hostile army .. what could be expected? Turks they are Turks .. beloved Turkish fun knife in the back of a neighbor. critters.
  • Mareman Vasilich
    Mareman Vasilich 25 November 2015 11: 03 New
    +4
    Are you a staff officer, officer, pilot, specialist in this field?
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  • Starover_Z
    Starover_Z 25 November 2015 09: 28 New
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    US Department of State spokesman Mark Toner said Syrian ethnic Turkmens could have shot an ejected pilot ... for self-defense.

    And here is the leader of the Turkish Turkmen:
    1. edge
      edge 25 November 2015 10: 01 New
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      Quote: Starover_Z
      US Department of State spokesman Mark Toner says Syrian ethnic Turkmens

      not Turkmen Turkmens (heirs of bash-bazuzuk-pack of bandits, rapists, thieves, murderers, slave traders), in short 400-year-old Turkish crime .....
    2. Butchcassidy
      Butchcassidy 25 November 2015 10: 31 New
      +5
      Barack Hussein-oglu Obama!
    3. Roman13
      Roman13 25 November 2015 10: 48 New
      +2
      I found a video about our dead pilot, I don’t know the fake or the truth. http://rusvesna.su/news/1448363774
  • 79807420129
    79807420129 25 November 2015 09: 28 New
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    And my opinion is that Erdogan played too much, it is necessary to bomb this region of Turkomania properly, so that there are no chips, otherwise the greyhounds from impunity will only increase.
    1. edge
      edge 25 November 2015 10: 04 New
      +6
      Quote: 79807420129
      Erdogan played too much, it is necessary to bomb this region of Turkomania as it should, so that there are no chips left, otherwise the greyhounds from impunity will only increase.

      at them they have a "historical" love for the Slavs .... and especially the Russians, periodically passing through the hara boots. Genetic memory: is not forgotten in any way (maybe they are hidden masochists)
  • oldseaman1957
    oldseaman1957 25 November 2015 09: 30 New
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    , you need to bomb this region of Turkomaniacs properly,
    - They say they have ALREADY started to "level" that area.
    1. Starover_Z
      Starover_Z 25 November 2015 09: 35 New
      +8
      And shish is now for the Turks, and not the South Turkish gas flow !!!
      1. kil 31
        kil 31 25 November 2015 10: 27 New
        +3
        Quote: Starover_Z
        And shish is now for the Turks, and not the South Turkish gas flow !!!
        Now the bros can seize the moment. We have already seen that no one in the West is going to compensate for losses for the failure to build a nuclear power plant and gas pipeline. They would come running and be foolish, the GDP, forgive my father, we are brothers, Slavs. The Turks will immediately sink two large economic projects, and not just a project, but for decades.
      2. Zordan
        Zordan 25 November 2015 11: 21 New
        +7
        On the move, 8 villages were freed. Militants go to Turkey. MSTA shoots well and closely!
  • oldseaman1957
    oldseaman1957 25 November 2015 09: 30 New
    +8
    “If the Turkmen forces [ethnic Turkmens] were attacked by Russian air strikes, they had the right to defend themselves,”
    - Oh, how they "love" us! You should always talk with such "partners" from a position of strength, only then will they show understanding and flexibility. Slightly wrong - to press.
  • vkl-47
    vkl-47 25 November 2015 09: 33 New
    +3
    but in general for the future it would be better to fire those northern prigronic areas with calibers. I’ll think about how the army will advance the distance of the hurricane’s firing. Then it’s going to work. But in general we need CRET devices such as a lever and others, of course, whatever the heat head is not they could visit a plane. but it all takes time, and as you know, it’s always not enough
  • Trailer
    Trailer 25 November 2015 09: 35 New
    +5
    The MO is now simply obliged to iron the area with something very big, like the Americans in Vietnam napalm.
    1. Andrea
      Andrea 25 November 2015 09: 51 New
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      And why am I not surprised. The perfidy of the Turks is in an epic. Whoever squeaks now in the West, only Zeman told the truth.
      The New Ottomans made a dirty trick and rushed to ask NATO for protection. At the same time, it is both funny and disgusting, answer for the "bazaar" - NATO will not help.
      And the states, as always, pick the plaster in the corner. I won’t believe that the states have nothing to do with it.
      In the days of the Ottoman Empire, England thought for the Turks, and the Ottomans raided the Urdülls, the story repeats itself.
  • Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 25 November 2015 10: 09 New
    +9
    If there was an American bomber in the place of our SU-24 and a pilot died, everything would be the opposite - it’s definitely ..... a double standard policy and the whole West would definitely support, and the US Air Force would plow this entire section ... we’re waiting response from Russia
    1. sad1940
      sad1940 25 November 2015 10: 58 New
      +8
      Quote: Alexey-74
      . We are waiting for a response from Russia

      you can of course wait, only GDP is not to be envied now. Of course it is possible to "pan out", but you run the risk of running into an answer already from NATO, and not answering is somehow shameful. So think about what to do, and behind the back is the country! I would not like to be in his place now.
      1. anip
        anip 25 November 2015 12: 19 New
        0
        Quote: sad1940
        So think about what to do, and behind the country!

        Thinking 15 years ago it was necessary to start thinking, and not to rob the people and the country all this time.
        1. trantor
          trantor 25 November 2015 15: 47 New
          +3
          Quote: anip
          Thinking 15 years ago it was necessary to start

          It’s interesting to me, comrade Marshal VO, have you ever had to Solutions take? Well, at a level when serious personal interests of at least hundreds of people are affected? And millions? And in the conditions of force majeure, when not only time but also resources are limited? And for 15 years?
  • Pule
    Pule 25 November 2015 10: 35 New
    +3
    Tu-22M to be discharged over this territory and, IMHO, will be enough for understanding ...
    1. aleks 62 next
      aleks 62 next 25 November 2015 12: 56 New
      +1
      .... Tu-22M to unload over this territory and, IMHO, will be enough to understand ...

      ..... Why ???? .... With such a range (round-trip about 4500 km), its combat load is 3-4 tons .... The same SU-24 can take about 7 tons on the beam ... .Yes and fly closer .... lol
      1. aksakal
        aksakal 25 November 2015 21: 59 New
        0
        Quote: aleks 62 next
        ..Why ???? .... With such a range (round-trip about 4500km), its combat load is 3-4 tons .... The same SU-24 can take about 7 tons on the girders .... Yes and fly closer ....
        - no, why not land in Khmeimim, take on board a full battle of blunt bombs (why are they already smart? There is no need for them in that area, do everything with a "carpet" and business) and plow the entire area
  • Absurdidat
    Absurdidat 25 November 2015 11: 15 New
    +2
    Bagdasarov about Turkey 5 years ago
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=eZXfxvaBXgg
  • SCHNIFER
    SCHNIFER 25 November 2015 11: 16 New
    +2
    Let's be politically correct and say - to destroy indiscriminately all the militants hi
  • Altona
    Altona 25 November 2015 11: 25 New
    +4
    Quote: neznakomez
    Is there a brain? What self-defense ???
    My opinion is to destroy indiscriminately all the rebels in the area !!!

    -------------------------
    The shooting of a pilot who jumped out on a parachute is a war crime ... And since the whole "peaceful village" took part in it, nothing prevents from covering it with a blow ...
    1. aleks 62 next
      aleks 62 next 25 November 2015 12: 59 New
      +1
      .... And since the whole "peaceful village" took part in it, nothing prevents from covering it with a blow ...

      .... I think we need more than one "village" .... As they say in one old film: beat the whites until they turn red, etc. ..... Beat so that it hiccups and wed ... Turkmenoids ...
    2. medic
      medic 25 November 2015 23: 43 New
      0
      In 1987, they "covered", and then "luli" raked for a month and a half. It was easier to agree. Comment from the "height of the past years", NO OFFENSES. I hate war !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • aleks 62 next
    aleks 62 next 25 November 2015 12: 51 New
    0
    .... My opinion is to destroy indiscriminately all the rebels in the area !!!

    ... The opinion is good .... But according to information in those places there are no constant forces of bearded men .... There is a walk-field tactic .... Now there is-not an hour later .... They run back and forth across the border with Turkey .... This is the whole snag ...
  • stroybat ZABVO
    stroybat ZABVO 25 November 2015 19: 37 New
    0
    to find, bring down a Turk, not to take prisoner. all.
  • medic
    medic 25 November 2015 22: 50 New
    0
    "There is no war without losses, there is no war without captivity." People, I've been reading you for two years, have you taught philosophy? Well, it does not happen as you wish, this is politics and we (you) cannot influence these events, this is a classic !!! Guys, read Ilyin. Since I'm new, then briefly about myself: 1986-1988 (conscript service of the USSR Armed Forces) 181 MSP-communication, DRA, currently MD, doctor-surgeon of the highest category
  • bubalik
    bubalik 25 November 2015 09: 17 New
    -9
    Once again I repeat what tries ,,, terrorism, trivial showdown ,,,
    ,,, so similar to the 90x showdown, only uncles are big and their appetites are growing,
    ,,, divide spheres of influence and money ,,,

    ,,, Think it happened when our VKS began to break the oil flow repeat

    The guys are truly sorry.
    1. a52333
      a52333 25 November 2015 09: 27 New
      12
      Quote: bubalik
      ,,, Think it happened when our VKS began to break the oil flow

      you an honorary title - "Captain Obvious". Essesno! Isn't that what the VVP declared about this, showing photos of fuel trucks going to Turkey?
      And how should we act? Do not pay attention to the funding source of the igles?
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  • DIVAN SOLDIER
    DIVAN SOLDIER 25 November 2015 09: 20 New
    -16 qualifying.
    And who yesterday saw something tough in Putin’s statement ??? Where are the ultimatums, where is the useless zone over Syria, or have we still not recovered from the shock ???
    1. vorobey
      vorobey 25 November 2015 09: 31 New
      12
      Quote: DIVAN SOLDIER
      And who yesterday saw something tough in Putin’s statement ??? Where are the ultimatums, where is the useless zone over Syria, or have we still not recovered from the shock ???


      what kind of person are you ... you don't see anyone except Putin .. "he experienced such personal dislike" (Mimino). he doesn't need to make harsh statements ... Rudskoy and Lavrov said everything for him. if you listened carefully, you understood everything ..
      1. DIVAN SOLDIER
        DIVAN SOLDIER 25 November 2015 09: 35 New
        -16 qualifying.
        Lavrov, moreover, he is not the supreme commander in chief, he did not swear on the constitution to defend the interests of Russian citizens.
        1. vorobey
          vorobey 25 November 2015 09: 47 New
          10
          Quote: DIVAN SOLDIER
          Lavrov, moreover, he is not the supreme commander in chief, he did not swear on the constitution to defend the interests of Russian citizens.


          not royal it’s a matter of cocks to fuck ... command and do .. (sorry my French)
        2. mad
          mad 25 November 2015 09: 56 New
          +3
          Quote: DIVAN SOLDIER
          he did not swear on the constitution to defend the interests of Russian citizens.

          This is his job responsibilities and he receives a salary for it!
        3. edge
          edge 25 November 2015 10: 15 New
          +5
          Quote: DIVAN SOLDIER
          Lavrov, moreover, he is not the supreme commander in chief, he did not swear on the constitution to defend the interests of Russian citizens.

          he served in the army and took the oath of allegiance to the MOTHERLAND, and you are bullshit, you see a kosyachnik ....
    2. edge
      edge 25 November 2015 10: 12 New
      +4
      Quote: DIVAN SOLDIER
      Where are the ultimatums, where is the useless zone over Syria, or have we still not recovered from the shock ???

      my friend, read the tactics textbook for the first year of military schools, maybe you will start to understand something. The junkers are just waiting for this, our president is deploying a multi-path as a result of the implementation, which only feathers will fly in the chicken coop
      1. Pule
        Pule 25 November 2015 10: 51 New
        +1
        Iraq, Libya, Ukraine, Syria, Turkey ... while Putin is calm, and not he asks, but they offer him.
    3. Pule
      Pule 25 November 2015 10: 41 New
      +2
      Apparently, someone still recovered ...
      1. builder
        builder 25 November 2015 10: 58 New
        +8
        Everyone already knows what to do with Turkey ... and only And only stupid Putin weighs everything and ponders the steps. /
    4. ultra
      ultra 25 November 2015 13: 59 New
      +6
      Quote: DIVAN SOLDIER
      And who yesterday saw something tough in Putin’s statement?

      I saw.
  • urii
    urii 25 November 2015 09: 21 New
    14
    How to save Russian pilots
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  • Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 25 November 2015 09: 26 New
    12
    and the Turks will repay with the same coin and “help” the militants of the North Caucasus.
    So there Turkish "ears" stick out for a long time!
    1. Axis
      Axis 25 November 2015 10: 24 New
      +5
      Ears ?! There have long been countless number of Turkish instructors and mercenaries in full growth ...
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 25 November 2015 13: 22 New
        0
        Quote: Axis
        There have long been countless number of Turkish instructors

        For a long time - yes, but not much physically. But financing and ideological support are in full growth. Intelligence of the SA and Qatar are also engaged in this. hi
  • venaya
    venaya 25 November 2015 09: 27 New
    +6
    the incident with the Su-24 is hardly "neatly settled." The consequences will be.

    Well, let's hope that such an incident will benefit us, and besides the experience of identified errors, we will be able to gain some bonuses for ourselves.
  • Alekseev-Orsk
    Alekseev-Orsk 25 November 2015 09: 27 New
    +4
    Oh how. It is strange why the State Department did not say that it was Assad who personally shot down the plane. This is quite in the spirit of exceptional .... Great they get from a sick mind to a healthy translate.
  • Neophyte
    Neophyte 25 November 2015 09: 28 New
    +7
    The Ottomans didn’t just decide on this! Waiting for an opportunity? Perhaps everything was at the direction of the CIA.
    1. edge
      edge 25 November 2015 10: 19 New
      +3
      Quote: Neophyte
      The Ottomans didn’t just decide on this! Waiting for an opportunity?

      as over the centuries, they did, they deceived, hid behind the Saxons ....
  • Sasha75
    Sasha75 25 November 2015 09: 28 New
    +9
    The harder we answer, the less we will be touched by the consequences of sucking with Ukrainians, if they had rolled out at least those who shot at us across the border, would have thought ten times and decided not to do so with a stick.
  • dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 25 November 2015 09: 32 New
    +2
    This Bolton does not bear any responsibility for his words, and therefore he smashes nonsense simply on his emotions! Laughs the one who laughs last! We will see who else is and who is smart.
    1. SMikhalych
      SMikhalych 25 November 2015 12: 11 New
      +3
      Quote: dchegrinec
      This Bolton does not bear any responsibility for his words ...

      There is a simple and straightforward answer to Bolton's "Back off" passage - "Fuck off" negative
  • Bobxnumx
    Bobxnumx 25 November 2015 09: 32 New
    +4
    The cruiser Moskva will now cover our aviation, we can fit electronic warfare systems there. And it looks like the Turkish pilots will have big problems, and Bolton is such a "Pug for an Elephant" according to Krylov.
  • provincial
    provincial 25 November 2015 09: 33 New
    0
    What is the policy of Russia with Ukraine, so that the banderlogs do not do against us, they are brothers. Maybe the Turks also wanted to become our brothers? Time will tell in a week such stuffing is possible from our leaders. Who doubts?
    1. Horly
      Horly 25 November 2015 10: 02 New
      +6
      The same will be with the Turks, do not hesitate!
      This is pouring from each iron "We will not forget! We will not forgive", but in fact:
      "Ministry of Energy of the Russian Federation: gas supplies to Turkey will continue in accordance with obligations"
      http://tass.ru/ekonomika/2466865
      Partners, their mother !!!
      How disgusting is this deceitful duplicity of the SALE POLITICAL-ECONOMIC MANAGEMENT of the Russian Federation, for which our RUSSIAN MILITIES pay with their lives !!!
  • Shiva83483
    Shiva83483 25 November 2015 09: 33 New
    +2
    Quote: SS68SS
    There is no understanding, but there are conclusions.


    Conclusions without understanding the essence are called vysery. However, intracranial sewage ameri.kashki were always rich and even with slight fluctuations, sprayed only dirt and stink ...

    My opinion is to destroy indiscriminately all the rebels in the area !!!


    That's right.

    Preferably, with an exponential. extreme and demonstrative cruelty ...
    1. edge
      edge 25 November 2015 10: 23 New
      +1
      Quote: Shiva83483
      Preferably, with an exponential. extreme and demonstrative cruelty ...

      ..... cut the Erdogan clan with the aftermath. sadists ... ... as pendas live without their favorite toys, they will cry.
    2. Kuzyakin15
      Kuzyakin15 25 November 2015 10: 39 New
      0
      There will be no radical, no cruel answers, not just harsh ones.
      Everything will be liberal diplomacy no. And the statements are harsh on the part of the GDP ..

      Remember how many there were on various occasions ... So they will remain statements. And everyone here is well aware, they just continue to dream that they would reckon with us. Money gentlemen, comrades, money is above all. And the fate of the next money project will even write off the death of one Russian pilot. And even if the GDP were intended to be given to a rigid asymmetric answer, the oligarchy in power and around it would not be allowed to interrupt the cash flow. Remember K.Marx- about 300% of profit and the actions of capital.
      1. Polite Moose
        Polite Moose 25 November 2015 11: 28 New
        +5
        Quote: Kuzyakin15
        There will be no radical, no cruel answers, not just harsh ones.
        Everything will be liberal diplomacy no. And the statements are harsh on the part of the GDP ..


        Alexander! Let me disagree with you a little.
        About the tough answer. While our people (tourists and workers in Turkey) are not taken out to the last person, and also most of the capital has not been transferred from there, pounding x ... on the table is unreasonable and premature.

        Quote: Kuzyakin15
        Money gentlemen, comrades, money is above all.


        As for money: in this case, with the next "swallowing the pill", image losses for GDP will be much more sensitive than financial ones. After all, the whole country (and not only ours) believes and expects a worthy answer.

        Well, from an interview with D. Peskov about the personality of VVP: "... he never forgets those who betrayed him or humiliated him ..."
        So, as the saying goes, "Let's wait for my mom ..."

        PS The minus is not mine.
        1. anip
          anip 25 November 2015 12: 27 New
          +1
          Quote: Polite Elk
          As for money: in this case, with the next "swallowing the pill", image losses for GDP will be much more sensitive than financial ones.

          Come on, the guarantor already has a 90% rating. Well there will be 80%, what will change?

          Quote: Polite Elk
          After all, the whole country (and not only ours) believes and is waiting for a worthy answer.

          For 15 years now, the Hooray-Putriots all believe and believe, no matter how the words and deeds of the guarantor rush and disperse. Even for all the throwing, they came up with a phrase: "Putin's cunning plan", which, in their mind, should justify the discrepancy between words and deeds, and turns by 180 degrees.
          1. Polite Moose
            Polite Moose 25 November 2015 13: 14 New
            +5
            Quote: anip
            Come on, the guarantor already has a 90% rating. Well there will be 80%, what will change?


            It's one step from love to hatred. This 90% will easily turn into 10%. The collapse of the hopes of a significant part of Russians to strengthen the state and disillusionment with the "Great Helmsman" will lead to disastrous consequences for the ruling party. Everything will change for them. And for us - citizens of Russia, respectively, too.

            In relation to the actions of the VVP, I also have a double opinion, but I believe that he is the most worthy president of Russia over the past half century. Others are too small in comparison. And, as a person, he has the right to make mistakes, of which, mind you, he does not have so many, compared to his predecessors. Well, we can see a little less from the hamster's hole than from the hillock. So, let it "steer". And the more people trust him, the less they have the right to make mistakes and idle chatter. Personally, I think so.
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      3. anip
        anip 25 November 2015 12: 22 New
        0
        Quote: Kuzyakin15
        Money, gentlemen, comrades, money is above all ... And even if the GDP were intended for a rigid asymmetric answer, the oligarchy in power and around it would not allow it to interrupt the cash flow.

        That's right. The corrupt Russian elite and the stolen oligarchy will not want to lose their profits.
  • Murad05
    Murad05 25 November 2015 09: 35 New
    +1
    "Of course, Bolton does not blame Turkey. But he blames Russia, which, according to the ex-ambassador," invaded NATO airspace. "
    Yeah, now everything is clear ...
  • Tamanskiy
    Tamanskiy 25 November 2015 09: 36 New
    +8
    It seems to me only a chain of events: the terrorist act to de-energize Crimea, Turkey's provocation, Kiev's statement on the naval blockade of the peninsula, the Bosphorus, the breakthrough of the blockade by Russia to ensure the supply of Crimea, Russia's accusation of aggression, the end of Minsk. At the same time, a cross on the "Turkish stream" and any alternative to bypass Ukraine with a gas pipe.
    1. KBR109
      KBR109 25 November 2015 13: 49 New
      +2
      What are you saying ? But what about the fast doubling of the quiet Nord Stream? Two more threads to Germany similar to the existing ones ...
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  • thinker
    thinker 25 November 2015 09: 38 New
    11
    The Kremlin qualified the actions of the Turkish side as aiding terrorism.
  • BaLaLaykin
    BaLaLaykin 25 November 2015 09: 40 New
    +6
    Quote: brasist
    The deceased Russian Pilot Rumyantsev Sergey Alexandrovich.
    EVERLASTING MEMORY!

    good bury man, he’s alive
    Chelyabinsk military pilot Sergei Rumyantsev was mistakenly named dead during the crash of a Su-24 bomber shot down by a Turkish fighter in Syria.
    http://rusvesna.su/news/1448424821
    1. Air Force captain
      Air Force captain 25 November 2015 10: 32 New
      +3
      They took the name of the pilot who ironed the terrorists revealed ... and who are you after that? You are using even more copy-paste resources for this data so that ISIS can read them all the same fool
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  • erased
    erased 25 November 2015 09: 40 New
    +9
    One pilot seemed to be saved, and that’s good.
    Why Syrian special forces saved, and not our PSS, and how it turned out that the PSS was shot in the air - we still need to understand. Where is the cover, where are the maneuvers (a sharp drop from a height, as was practiced in Afghanistan)?
    In a word, the purely military aspect was not worked out. As a result, the dead marine (why the marine in the MSS?), Two turntables + Su-24 and one pilot. And it seems that another MI-24 was knocked down during a raid in another area, but he sat down himself. Day of the first loss of people and equipment. Holiday in Turkey and NATO, jubilation in Ukraine, tragedy in Russia.
    The militants hit the downed pilots - that’s clear, they hit the enemies. It’s foolish to talk about moderation of the militants, they must now be washed into powder. And those Turks who are on this side of the border, that is, in Syria. And knock down Turkish planes if they fly to Syria.
    And it would be great to stop all trade relations with Turkey. So that they do not get more money from ours. But here oligarchs and traders rebel. And this is stronger than any stock from abroad.
    1. Andrey NM
      Andrey NM 25 November 2015 09: 55 New
      +7
      The main thing is to stop the trade relations of ISIS and Turkey. To analyze what is most likely happening now. Do not remember more about moderates, all are the same. According to the right to defense, beat everyone. Help the Kurds. If Assad offers wide autonomy to the Kurds in Syria, and even enter the government, the Kurds will be happy, they will sweep away ISIS.
  • vitya1945
    vitya1945 25 November 2015 09: 44 New
    +9
    Punish the turk
    Close the tour stream, smoke from Russia Turkish companies Pegasus, Anex, Coral.
    Shoot down everything that crosses the Syrian border.
    The second day I look through the Turkish press, they are proud of ... that the plane was shot down.
    Although in the comments it slips that many understand that this is revenge for the business of Erdogan’s son.
    1. I read the news
      I read the news 25 November 2015 12: 03 New
      0
      Will you smash Turkish stalls in Sevastopol?
      1. anip
        anip 25 November 2015 12: 37 New
        +4
        Quote: I readNews
        Will you smash Turkish stalls in Sevastopol?

        Why smash it? Give 24 hours to fees.
        1. saygon66
          saygon66 25 November 2015 16: 53 New
          +2
          -In the beginning of the 90, the Turks climbed densely into Uzbekistan ... Turkish tea, Turkish products, Turkish clothes, cars, TV channels, even Turkish passports, the Turkish alphabet ... And then suddenly it cut off - the Government of the Republic of Uzbekistan decided that the Turks too deeply tucked in, and overnight they settled them with a knee in the back ... and nothing, the Turks washed ...
        2. saygon66
          saygon66 25 November 2015 16: 53 New
          +1
          -In the beginning of the 90, the Turks climbed densely into Uzbekistan ... Turkish tea, Turkish products, Turkish clothes, cars, TV channels, even Turkish passports, the Turkish alphabet ... And then suddenly it cut off - the Government of the Republic of Uzbekistan decided that the Turks too deeply tucked in, and overnight they settled them with a knee in the back ... and nothing, the Turks washed ...
  • rus-5819
    rus-5819 25 November 2015 09: 51 New
    +4
    Quote: 79807420129
    And my opinion is that Erdogan played too much, it is necessary to bomb this region of Turkomania properly, so that there are no chips, otherwise the greyhounds from impunity will only increase.


    Well, the Turks at the genetic level absorbed that without .. health from the Russians can’t live. There will be a new Suvorov and Ushakov on modern Janissaries!
  • Pak_c_TonopoM
    Pak_c_TonopoM 25 November 2015 09: 54 New
    +8
    Last night, our videoconferencing began to demolish everything there. Also, all the Turkish Air Forces were under the command of "FORT" and from "Moscow" and, possibly, the S-400. After that, yesterday at 21.20 Moscow time, Erdogan ordered all the air forces to be put on airfields. Fearing a possible attack in the air.
  • BLOND
    BLOND 25 November 2015 09: 55 New
    +8
    According to the Lebanese Al Mayadeen channel, the Syrian military rescued the co-pilot of the Su-24 shot down by Turkey. Communication with the pilot was restored after six hours of searching; it took the special forces two more hours to get the Russian out of the rear of the militants. He is now safe at the Russian Khmeimim airbase. No official confirmation of this information has been received, the Russian News Service reports.
    This is for the co-pilot
    As for the shooting of a pilot by parachute, the Turkmen fighters in this case with "full" right "defended themselves." That’s exactly what flexible thinkers from the US State Department think.
    Based on this logic, McCain should have slowly cut into sausage
    and second ... And only pro-sea terrorists have the right to defend themselves? For example, residents of Donbass should lay down their arms and humbly wait for dill?
    Alas, war does not happen without sacrifices. Let the dead on our part be as few as possible. I am sure that we will respond correctly and Turkey will regret more than once.
    I didn't want to write a lot, but reading VO I have "two pictures"
    1. The USSR before the war and Stalin is trying to push the start of the war (the country is rearming)
    2. Vanga’s answer to the question about the beginning of the third world
  • Al_oriso
    Al_oriso 25 November 2015 09: 58 New
    0
    "Angry statements" are made only in the West.
    We are doing real things.
  • hotrod
    hotrod 25 November 2015 09: 58 New
    +5
    It seems to me that we are only on the verge of big events. And what matters is the angle at which we enter the bifurcation point. You can not call to start a military mix with the Turks right now, it is already underway, the wars have become "hybrid" and multi-component. I think Moscow will accurately and accurately "hurt" the Turks.
    The ideal option is an embargo by the forces of the world community, i.e. through a UN Security Council resolution.
    1. anip
      anip 25 November 2015 12: 40 New
      +4
      Quote: hotrod
      The ideal option is an embargo by the forces of the world community, i.e. through a UN Security Council resolution.

      Yes, yes, yes, the UN will directly support Russia. You are not funny, by chance?
  • Johnny69
    Johnny69 25 November 2015 10: 04 New
    -17 qualifying.
    In Russia, the spirit is strictly against Dzhogiya and Ukraine (i.e. protiv weakix).

    Kagda Turkey was impudent and rudely knocked down your Su 24 you just abasralis. Glad for it. God grant there will be losses
    1. Grabberxnumx
      Grabberxnumx 25 November 2015 10: 12 New
      +2
      Welcome to the American fascists!
      1. Johnny69
        Johnny69 25 November 2015 10: 14 New
        -7
        Na plivats na Ameriku I na Rossiu tozhe
        1. Albert1988
          Albert1988 25 November 2015 11: 10 New
          0
          Quote: Johnny69
          Na plivats na Ameriku

          Posted by a man with an American flag on his avatar ...
    2. nimboris
      nimboris 25 November 2015 10: 19 New
      +2
      Yes, shit. We are at you like an elephant at Pug, do not suffocate in shit. One word "allies" or "accomplices". The time will come, let's figure it out, not the first time.
    3. Air Force captain
      Air Force captain 25 November 2015 10: 39 New
      +2
      Quote: Johnny69
      In Russia, the spirit is strictly against Dzhogiya and Ukraine (i.e. protiv weakix).

      Kagda Turkey was impudent and rudely knocked down your Su 24 you just abasralis. Glad for it. God grant there will be losses

      Go away ... in hell you will burn for the joy of the death of people ....
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      2. Johnny69
        Johnny69 25 November 2015 10: 49 New
        -2
        Boga net !! vsyo pazvoleno :)
    4. Albert1988
      Albert1988 25 November 2015 11: 14 New
      +1
      Quote: Johnny69
      Su 24 you are just abasralis.

      This is written by a man from a country in which at one time even the president did ... allegedly hearing the sound of Russian aircraft ...
      Moreover, considering. what was going on in your Internet then, I can’t even imagine who you are NOT talking about ... 08.08.08.

      Quote: Johnny69
      God grant there will be losses

      There will be, surely there will be ... the widows of tuprkomanov will be added ... a couple of hundred fuel trucks and oil tankers will burn ... well, and how the culmination can a couple of Turkish litaks "urgently land", because we warned them 100500 times hi
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      2. Johnny69
        Johnny69 25 November 2015 11: 34 New
        -1
        Dazhe esli Georgia abasralsya, nu I chto? Malenkaya strana voival protiv Iadernoi Derzhavi.

        vsio ravno sbili 10 samalyot, v tom chisel tu 22. Ranili Generala Xrulova :)


        A kagda Turcia dala vam po zubam, Putin chuts ne zaplakal: D
  • neznakomez
    neznakomez 25 November 2015 10: 09 New
    19
    A group of Kurds raising funds for Christian refugees in Kurdistan and closely associated with Kurdish militias in Iraq and Syria wrote on their social network page about their desire to avenge the killed Russian pilots of the Su-24 in the sky over Syria.
    “Dear Russia, we Kurds will be happy to avenge your pilots. Just give us MANPADS, we will make a good no-fly zone for Erdogan, ”the report said.
    This is great!
  • ivan bogomolov
    ivan bogomolov 25 November 2015 10: 11 New
    +8
    Take our tourists out to the quiet and extinguish the creatures, primarily for tourism, food, clothes ..... negative And who doesn’t like it, I already sent two at my ... th, one whining from these eb .... is new, but where to rest, and fruits, and what clothes to wear, h ... wicked people are stupid.
  • Ramzai
    Ramzai 25 November 2015 10: 17 New
    +5
    Quote: Johnny69
    In Russia, the spirit is strictly against Dzhogiya and Ukraine (i.e. protiv weakix).

    Kagda Turkey was impudent and rudely knocked down your Su 24 you just abasralis. Glad for it. God grant there will be losses

    Firstly, we don’t crap, but do not behave like hysterics and analyze the situation, realizing its seriousness. Secondly, who crap is Erdogan, like a schoolboy poked in the neighbor’s back and escaped pissing with a scream MAMAAAA))) Third, remember your real tantrums when your F 117 was shot down in Yugoslavia with a microwave laughing And the last thing, you can only proudly beat the deserts, hospitals, wedding corteges and then boast that they are cool, but in fact against a real enemy you LINK like devils, everything that will undermine your already cinematic "authority" bully
    1. Kuzyakin15
      Kuzyakin15 25 November 2015 11: 15 New
      +3
      Time Zay:
      Why are you rubbing him about the USA?
      This is just a wise Georgian child of the wild mountains.
      Look into the PM-flag Georgian.
      1. Johnny69
        Johnny69 25 November 2015 11: 44 New
        0
        Ya nekagda ne vidala gori v Georgia. Da kakie gori unas? tam nekto nekagda ne zhil .. Propaganda savetskaya .. I ya ne dikii :) 30 vek do Ivana Groznogo, u nas bil gasudarstva i mnogo drugoe :)
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  • gromov2015
    gromov2015 25 November 2015 10: 17 New
    -2
    It's a shame for Russia. Very disappointing for RUSSIA. Who swore they would defend Russia ??????
  • cap
    cap 25 November 2015 10: 23 New
    +4
    Transfer this koment to our sinful one.
    It turns out that the Turks cackled on the plane protecting their Turkish-speaking Syrians
    living in Syria.
    We are transported to Ukraine in the Donbass. Weak if ours in response to shelling, point
    align the APU along the border that we ourselves will establish.
    It turns out almost a similar situation.
    How the gentleman behind the podium will respond to this.
    It will turn out his own fat for muslim.
  • Grigorievich
    Grigorievich 25 November 2015 10: 24 New
    +5
    Quote: Johnny69
    In Russia, the spirit is only against Dzhodzhii and Ukraine (i.e., protiv weakix

    Pot calls the kettle black.
    What is Georgia? Usa state?
    Litter is American.
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  • Wedmak
    Wedmak 25 November 2015 10: 30 New
    +3
    It’s good that I’m not the president of Russia yet. Already half of Turkey’s air bases would be in ruins.
  • starwars
    starwars 25 November 2015 10: 33 New
    +3
    Graham is concerned about the strengthening of Russia in Syria.

    WHAT YOU NEED, Jackal!
    1. KBR109
      KBR109 25 November 2015 13: 56 New
      +3
      A young smiling face very much looks like a gamer. negative
  • triglav
    triglav 25 November 2015 10: 44 New
    +2
    Russia has two allies - the Army and the Navy. And the "partners" are all fake. Turkey itself asked for retaliatory measures. Moreover, she set up NATO. Naturally, Americans and others will defend the Turks, but not too zealously. I wonder what their bloc partners in Brussels said to the Turks?
  • X Y Z
    X Y Z 25 November 2015 10: 44 New
    +3
    The Russians can provide assistance to the Kurdish detachments, without hiding too much, and the Turks will repay with the same coin and “help” the militants of the North Caucasus.


    And the author is not aware that Turkey already helps these militants, and even a very long time ago?
  • Konstantin Yu
    Konstantin Yu 25 November 2015 10: 46 New
    +3
    When will history be taught ?? from the Turks a knife in the back of a neighbor, how hello ... at all times. What projects, what streams? ... what kind of friendship for many years, who is counting on? - naive ignoramus of history. That the Ukrainians, that the Turks are one Prihlebay breed with a shiza greatness. And these deprived, always screaming behind someone's back, and shitting .. Open your eyes ... for long? and in the summer again "Tagil !!" for all inclusive in Turkey will stretch. It's sad.
    1. anip
      anip 25 November 2015 12: 43 New
      0
      Quote: Konstantin Yu.
      When will history learn ?? from the Turks a knife in the back of a neighbor, how hello ... at all times. What projects, what flows? .. for what friendship for many years, who relies? - naive ignoramus of history.

      Dak hurray to the Patriots was not aware of this (however, like the guarantor), when their idol was going to drag the pipe to the Turks.
  • Unbearable
    Unbearable 25 November 2015 10: 51 New
    +2
    Interestingly, John McCain will speak out about the shooting of pilots. After all, McCain himself and some others in Vietnam were left alive. Probably more thanks to the Russians. After all, they could have tortured to death ...
    1. Phantom-11
      Phantom-11 26 November 2015 09: 15 New
      +1
      wanted to say the same thing
  • Fonmeg
    Fonmeg 25 November 2015 10: 52 New
    +1
    Rostourism made a recommendation to stop selling vouchers to Turkey and began to recount tourists who will have to be evacuated


    Push in all directions !!!
  • kubart26
    kubart26 25 November 2015 10: 55 New
    +2
    It is necessary for our VKS to plow all the lands of the Turkey-Syria border with bombs. So that there’s not a soul for kilometers. And oil will cease to be supplied to the Turkish oligarchs!
  • mcm
    mcm 25 November 2015 10: 57 New
    +1
    - the region should be cleared of the Turkmen.
  • Fonmeg
    Fonmeg 25 November 2015 11: 01 New
    +1
    The Rosselkhoznadzor banned the supply of poultry meat, which is produced by the Turkish company Standart Gida Sanayi ve Ticaret Anonim Sirkorti, Interfax reports on Wednesday, November 25.


    And in pursuit!
  • anfil
    anfil 25 November 2015 11: 05 New
    +2
    On the Internet there are many expressed opinions of both politicians and journalists, I was interested, and what our partners in the CSTO (Collective Security Treaty Organization) think about this did not find a single statement, but the opinion of a certain Daniyar Aytman "Radio Azattyk" came across:

    Geopolitical risks of Kyrgyzstan in the light of the international situation of Russia

    On November 24, 2015, the Armed Forces of Turkey, a NATO member, after repeated warnings, shot down a Russian Su-24 military aircraft that violated Turkish airspace near the border with Syria. This incident clearly showed that the political, military and economic union of Kyrgyzstan with Russia poses the main threat to the national security of our country, because because of this union, Kyrgyzstan risks being involved in the increasingly dangerous confrontation between Russia and the countries of the North Atlantic Alliance. <...>


    The following are the most famous provocations:http://rus.azattyk.org/content/blog/27385554.html

    Kyrgyzstan is a member of the Collective Security Treaty Organization from May 15 to 1992.

    Allies Mlyn.
    Then I found a message dated 24.11.2015 19:28 that "Lukashenka will not go to Putin" because of the extreme workload ", (the newspaper" Belorussky Partizan ")
    1. topwtopw
      topwtopw 25 November 2015 15: 59 New
      0
      All these sources are financed from the same State Department, so do not cite them as the official position of the state, and even more so as the opinion of the majority of the population.
  • Fonmeg
    Fonmeg 25 November 2015 11: 05 New
    +1
    “As I understand it, a set of answers can be calculated empirically. Firstly, now any Turkish plane that pokes a stingy out of the borders of its Basurmanian homeland will inevitably be shot down, possibly even catching up. And perhaps these planes will be two or three. For science. And then they forgot, but most likely they don’t know how much they regretted them in '45.

    Secondly, there will be a visa regime with Turkey.

    Thirdly, the Turkish tourism market is waiting for hard times.

    Fourth, we can expect problems from Turkish business in the Russian Federation and the associated rich citizens of Azerbaijani origin. Wang cleaning up all pro-Turkish public organizations feeding Russian Muslims here ...

    The Kurds seem to have a map. And not the fact that it will only be iron.

    Fifthly, there was an excellent occasion for the final tearing of the covers on the land of Syria. Whoever needs it will understand ...

    In any case, I would already be interested in summer trips to the Crimea, ”writes Steshin


    Dmitry Steshin, military commissar. And I support his plan!
  • Altona
    Altona 25 November 2015 11: 27 New
    +4
    Once again I’ll help you to understand ...
  • Victor-M
    Victor-M 25 November 2015 11: 27 New
    +3
    ISIS, following the example of Turkey, after terrorist attacks may urgently require the convening of a NATO council to assess threats from retaliation by the victims of them.
  • Mr. Fun
    Mr. Fun 25 November 2015 11: 30 New
    +1
    According to Mr. Bolton, the Russians had nothing to do in that area at all, and such an aerial incident was easily "predictable." And even it is strange that something like “did not happen before.”

    They forgot to ask you "what, kavo, where to run" ...
    If their cardboard work was knocked down, then there would be screaming-snot ... And they would have heard a lot of brilliant statements.
    The provocation of pure water, in which the pin..stan, of course, advised the Turks how and what to do. They are masters in this matter. So many cameras, so many statements. The whole movie was shot almost,. The plane was waiting there, our rescue turntables were also waiting there, they were preparing for this, approximately knowing the square where our bomber would fall. Of course, the mattresses will declare "our hut will hide ..." Rest in peace to the pilot. Sorry guys ...
  • DDsurgut
    DDsurgut 25 November 2015 11: 36 New
    +2
    it’s necessary to bring down these Turks-blockers, and the territory where the pilot was shot, burned with napalm !!!
  • EvaFerrari
    EvaFerrari 25 November 2015 11: 39 New
    +1
    Quote: DIVAN SOLDIER
    And who yesterday saw something tough in Putin’s statement ??? Where are the ultimatums, where is the useless zone over Syria, or have we still not recovered from the shock ???


    It has been repeatedly noted by many world politicians that Putin’s silence or his restrained reaction is much worse than big words.
  • Lookark
    Lookark 25 November 2015 11: 40 New
    +3
    While I was having breakfast, I watched Russia24, what was not there was an interview with the President of the Chess Federation and a culture release about a new theater for hipsters, a little Crimea with its energy issue, just not a word about our plane and the pilots shot down in Syria. Only at the top was the line “the ambassador of Turkey endured a tough idea”. Imagine - tough, wow, poor guy, it's probably hard for him ... and yes, they stopped buying meat from one of the Turkish factories ... because of parasites.
    It was clear that starting the war was not the time at all, but it was impossible to answer so toothlessly ...
    They did not even send an ambassador. Hard view ....
    Are our elites so afraid of losing the gas contract that they are even ready to hush up this crime?

    PS I opened a link to a new newspaper on my own head, Lord, what's going on in the comments, where do these people come from ??? "shitty rashka" "rusik pilots" "got it right" "cancer tumor on the body of the world" "killed the invaders"
    The morning is ruined.
    1. T-73
      T-73 25 November 2015 12: 25 New
      +1
      What could have happened overnight? Yesterday, all day, evening and midnight they talked about the plane. However, I will say that today I was delayed and from 9-30 approximately Russia24 returned to the downed Su-24. New interviews, analysis of economic and political possible consequences. Analysis of Turkish business and partners affiliated with its business in the Russian Federation. Better less is better. We need normal material, normal analysis, and not exhaustion from the finger. There are old stories, of course, and of course something else is happening in the world.
    2. anip
      anip 25 November 2015 12: 45 New
      +2
      Quote: LookArk
      Are our elites so afraid of losing the gas contract that they are even ready to hush up this crime?

      Does anyone doubt this?
      1. medic
        medic 25 November 2015 23: 54 New
        0
        Anip, I have no doubt.