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European politicians: Turkey in the incident with the Russian plane entered irresponsibly, she climbs on the rampage

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Having shot down the Russian Su-24 over the territory of Syria, Turkey is provoking Moscow to a larger-scale operation in the Middle East, reports RIA News Statement by the former Latvian Foreign Minister Janis Jurkans.




“If we analyze the situation as a whole, then I believe that Turkey is climbing on the edge. Turkey does not like that Russia is fighting against the (terrorist) Islamic State, that Russia is defending Assad, they want to overthrow him. The biggest problem in this region today is Turkey. It is unclear what policy she is pursuing and what she wants to achieve by supporting the terrorists in general, ”Jurkans said.

“I hope that Russia will not get involved and will not take revenge on Turkey, because, be that as it may, Turkey is a member of NATO, and if Russia does something, then a serious war can start,” he said. “Although I do not believe in it, since the West needs Russia.”

But the opinion of the European Commissioner, the deputy head of the commission on international affairs, Javier Causo (Spain): “These are the irresponsible actions of Turkey, which is more and more destabilized every day”.

According to him, "there may be unintended consequences for a NATO member who has decided to take unilateral military actions against a nuclear country."

Kawso stressed that Ankara’s recent actions are “another proof that Turkey has its own agenda and is a source of destabilization.”

He also recalled the accusations repeatedly addressed to Turkey about “its sluggish participation in the fight against IS and the criminal bombardments of Kurds who are at war with terrorists”.

In a message to the EU High Representative for Foreign Affairs Federica Mogherini, the MEP said: “The situation with the Russian Cy-24 represents an unacceptable escalation of tensions in the zone, which threatens both security in the region and the countries of the European Union.”
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  1. volot-voin
    volot-voin 25 November 2015 08: 51 New
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    Strongly due to Turkey this unfriendly action will come back. The closure of tourism from the Russian Federation, the Turkish stream, nuclear power plants, other trade .... I would still illegally help the Kurds in the struggle for independence. PKK probably lacks modern weapons.
    1. 79807420129
      79807420129 25 November 2015 08: 54 New
      17
      How Avon roosters locked up Geyrona, and why didn’t you guys pull Erdo раньшеan away, but only the moral that Russia wasn’t right to bomb, and now they have blown off sharply, now the turn is ours.
      1. Metallurgist
        Metallurgist 25 November 2015 08: 58 New
        55
        And here is the news from the USA: "The plane was shot down in Syrian airspace."
        So, they provoked Erdogan to an irresponsible step, and now into the bushes - they say now deal with Russia yourself.
        BEAUTY!
        Erdogan, teach history, so your mother!
        1. Egoza
          Egoza 25 November 2015 09: 03 New
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          Quote: Metallurg
          So, they provoked Erdogan to an irresponsible step, and now into the bushes -

          They will now expel Turkey from NATO "for misconduct."
          1. Metallurgist
            Metallurgist 25 November 2015 09: 05 New
            +3
            If this happens-this is a direct invitation of the Russian Federation to the war. But we do not need war.
            Since any war will seriously weaken our already not very strong economy.
            So anything is possible.
            1. _Vladislav_
              _Vladislav_ 25 November 2015 09: 07 New
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              Honestly, I used to respect Erdogan.

              And today, he sank sharply in my eyes. No, not because they shot down our plane. It's about his behavior after what happened. He tucked his tail, fled the country, began to jackal in Brussels, like: “They’ll probably kill me right now, but will you intercede for me? If anything?". Like, we're from the first class together.

              PS
              And if he really was a man, he would have called Putin right away, so they say so, but they shot down but for no reason and no reason. Putin adequate man (even too much).
              1. a52333
                a52333 25 November 2015 09: 12 New
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                Quote: _Vladislav_
                Honestly, I used to respect Erdogan.


                I don’t understand why you respected him before, because his position in relation to Russia was clear even during the ATO in Chechnya. He then also, as now for Syria, missed, harbored, treated Wahhabis along with Georgia, by the way.
                1. Tatyana
                  Tatyana 25 November 2015 09: 21 New
                  10
                  Erdogan, in spite of Turkey’s participation in NATO, behaves as a renegade man who substitutes NATO itself.
                  The fact is that Erdogan has his own - pocket - raider business on the robbery of serial oil, supplied to him by means of the ISIS gangs controlled by him.
                  The successes of the Russian Air Force in Syria completely destroy this illegal predatory oil business of Raider Erdogan himself. Erdogan cannot come to terms with this. Therefore, Erdogan became inadequate in politics, not even considering Turkey’s participation in NATO.
                  Erdogan is guided only by his selfish personal business raiding interests, without reckoning with anyone. I bit the bit.
                  Erdogan is a high-ranking Turkish international raider bandit and war criminal!
                  Erdogan under the COURT!
                  1. 222222
                    222222 25 November 2015 09: 51 New
                    +1
                    1.-Erdogan is tired of America itself - it skillfully framed him .. And if you recall his attacks against Israel. Then they tried to insert their five cents .. Yes. Dissatisfaction of the military elite with his actions in Turkey itself ..
                    2. naturally no one will trample from Turkey -650 thousand army does not lie on the road and the flank is very important
                    3 ... and you probably have to forget about the EU Turkey for a long time?
                    4. Russia will get better ... the economy will prevail ... for two countries, this is important ... Well. But as an ally of Turkey, who believes in that?
                    1. andj61
                      andj61 25 November 2015 10: 16 New
                      0
                      Quote: 222222
                      2. naturally no one will trample from Turkey -650 thousand army does not lie on the road and the flank is very important

                      No need to exaggerate the Turkish army!
                      The Armed Forces of Turkey (Tur. Türk Silahlı Kuvvetleri) - a combination of Turkish troops designed to protect the freedom, independence and territorial integrity of the state. Consist of ground forces, naval forces, air force, gendarmerie and coast guard. Organizationally included in two ministries - the Ministry of Defense and the Ministry of the Interior.
                      The Turkish ground forces are considered the second strongest in the NATO bloc, after the US ground forces.
                      The number of personnel of the Turkish Armed Forces, excluding reservists, is 410 people (500).
                    2. Azitral
                      Azitral 25 November 2015 10: 53 New
                      0
                      I’ll clarify a little: WHO and WHEN seriously believed in this? But he can’t fight. The army will remember him how he lowered it. Of course, he will fight, but they will make him pay dearly.
                    3. TanyaKar
                      TanyaKar 30 November 2015 23: 49 New
                      0
                      My answer is 222222 (1). Do not be mistaken about the United States ... Very much to them, by the way, Erdogan and his comrades.
                      He wasn’t tired of them at all, he was very happy. And in the EU, Erdogan wanted to sneeze. He has his own ambitions and his own game.
                      Russia in Syria all this (big sorry) chauble is a bo-o-o-bones in the throat.
                      The crap will continue, only more sophisticated.
                      It remains only "Do not hang up your nose, midshipmen" ....
                  2. TanyaKar
                    TanyaKar 30 November 2015 23: 41 New
                    0
                    Believe me, Tatyana! Judging because NATO and its head are mumbling, they don’t really care about their reputation.
                    Do not be mistaken about them. I’m not afraid to name political prostitutes from all ... Our and yours - we’ll play for a penny, it's all about NATO and the Euro-Atlantic alliance. No one will seriously help us! Someone will be intimidated, someone will be blackmailed, someone will be bought ... Europe needs now a “beautiful” pose. They will accept this frail pose for decency .... But Russia should not count on more. Our General Staff understands this and Putin was not born yesterday .... That's something like that.
                2. _Vladislav_
                  _Vladislav_ 25 November 2015 09: 36 New
                  +4
                  Quote: a52333
                  I don’t understand why you respected him before.

                  Now I also don’t understand why I respected this jackal-Erdogan
              2. ultra
                ultra 25 November 2015 10: 02 New
                0
                Quote: _Vladislav_
                Honestly, I used to respect Erdogan.

                What merit, if not secret?
                1. Kasym
                  Kasym 25 November 2015 12: 48 New
                  +2
                  It was believed that Erdogan was an independent politician who defended the interests of Turkey (he did not approve of sanctions, the Turks established contacts with the Crimea, positively reacted to the new gas pipelines). But as we see, he turned out to be a fool. The immediate benefits (it’s not yet clear what kind of income: oil income, Assad must leave, the support of their “shaitans”, etc.) were exchanged for cooperation with Russia. He substituted specifically. But Vidin is a clear trace of Washington, which plays a wedge between the EU and Russia. In connection with the events in Paris, there has been a rapprochement between the EU and the Russian Federation - well, Washington, with the help of Erdogan, decided to drive a new wedge. They suggest that the GDP will turn its back on the request of France (as a member of NATO) for the lined Su. But in fact, they only made it worse for their allies, Israel and Turkey. The Russian Federation will now deploy a full-fledged air defense, air force and navy grouping with all kinds of electronic warfare systems. And who then dares even get closer to the Syrian border? Only under close supervision. Now the Turks fly into Syria like death, and the NATO is not "comme il faut" - suddenly the GDP decides to form a no-fly zone in Syria. I wonder how GDP will talk with Hollande? hi
            2. volot-voin
              volot-voin 25 November 2015 09: 29 New
              +4
              Quote: Metallurg
              If this happens-this is a direct invitation of the Russian Federation to the war. But we do not need war.

              With a competent economic and political game, Turkey itself will die, and the owners of hotels in Antalya will crucify Erdogan. And it’s best to fight with the wrong hands, in Turkey there is someone with Erdogan to fight without us. PKK for example.
            3. HUMANOID
              HUMANOID 25 November 2015 10: 11 New
              +1
              When it comes to honor, I think bargaining is not appropriate. Of course, if the Turks crawl on their knees, then we can generously forgive them
            4. Azitral
              Azitral 25 November 2015 10: 48 New
              +2
              I'm just to dot the "e": what is such a special weakness of our economy? In volume? No. In low labor productivity? Not really. In the notorious import dependence? Conduct a thought experiment: the option of a "clean" termination of imports. And after how long will the catastrophe begin if we ourselves are not fools? Never.
              And the "strong" economies? Britannia? Japan? A few months, followed by a smooth but fast paragraph. Even the United States is more import-dependent, including from high-tech products, which surprised me greatly. But they too, like us, would survive. So what is the weakness? Of the terrible, generally speaking, one: electronics.
            5. igorka357
              igorka357 25 November 2015 15: 05 New
              0
              If, according to some fantastic scenarios, the Turks are kicked from the ground now ... then there will be no war, the Erdogashka will crawl into the Kremlin on her knees because she perfectly understands that he has zero chances against the Russians .. and that his master threw him, and you need to look for a new one. ..if the turkish fleet breaks up a bit .. so if the Turks are kicked from the ground, Uncle Vova just use Erdogash in all conceivable and inconceivable poses, with the consent of Erdogash !!!
          2. U-96
            U-96 25 November 2015 09: 13 New
            +2
            Quote: Egoza
            They will now expel Turkey from NATO "for misconduct."

            gee, this, of course, is unlikely. But we have a reason for serious consultations with NATO.
          3. just exp
            just exp 25 November 2015 09: 16 New
            +2
            they will not be excluded, it is not beneficial for them.
          4. Andrea
            Andrea 25 November 2015 09: 27 New
            0
            Quote: Egoza
            They will now expel Turkey from NATO "for misconduct."
            Exclude, not exclude, but they’ll definitely put on the count repeat , the more she climbs herself there (rampage-pointed stake). We will help. am
          5. Sergey S.
            Sergey S. 25 November 2015 09: 50 New
            +2
            Quote: Egoza
            They will now expel Turkey from NATO "for misconduct."

            If only ...
            They hung Erdogan like a sucker.
            And they will use it like a ram.

            Turkey will not be expelled from NATO.
            I suppose that the Westerners will personally blame the entire incident on Erdogan.

            And then wait for the next color revolution ...
            A mess in Turkey, it will be a terrible IG.
        2. cniza
          cniza 25 November 2015 09: 07 New
          +3
          Quote: Metallurg
          Erdogan, teach history, so your mother!




          Late to drink the barge, will now respond in full.
          1. U-96
            U-96 25 November 2015 09: 26 New
            0
            Quote: cniza
            will now answer in full.

            how "complete"?
        3. Good me
          Good me 25 November 2015 09: 33 New
          +1
          Quote: Metallurg
          And here is the news from the USA: "The plane was shot down in Syrian airspace."


          Materials that appeared in the press, "in the wake":




          Turkish politician in 2012 made a statement about the incident with a downed plane

          Erdogan: “Minor violation of the border is not an excuse for an attack”


          “A slight violation of the border cannot be an excuse for such an attack. A Turkish aircraft made a training flight, checking the operation of radars in the eastern part of the Mediterranean "- such a statement was made by Erdogan (then Prime Minister) in 2012 year after the Syrian military shot down the F-4 Phantom plane, which violated the airspace Syria.

          The original statement is available on the BBC website.

          On Tuesday, the Su-24 bomber crashed in Syria. Russian President Vladimir Putin said that the plane was shot down by an air-to-air missile from a Turkish F-16 aircraft and crashed into Syrian territory 4 km from the border with Turkey.


          1. Good me
            Good me 25 November 2015 09: 46 New
            0
            Quote: Good I
            Materials that appeared in the press, "in the wake":


            Six seconds

            In northern Syria, in the province of Latakia, the Turkish Air Force F-16 fighter attacked and shot down the Russian Su-24 front-line bomber.

            Official Ankara claims that a Russian plane violated Turkish airspace and was shot down after repeated warnings. In support of its version, Turkey announced the flight paths of its F-16 and the Russian Su-24.

            If you put the trajectories on the map, the Russian plane at the time of the attack really was above the territory of Turkey, which wedged into the territory of Syria with a kind of "gut" a little more than two thousand meters wide.

            The assertion of the Turkish authorities that they repeatedly warned the Russian plane about the violation of airspace is doubtful. To overcome the distance of two thousand meters, the Su-24 needs no more than six seconds. Most likely, Turkey means that it previously warned Russia about unauthorized flights over its territory.

            If you look at the wind rose in the Latakia region, strong winds from the south constantly blow there. And aircraft can land at the Khmeimim airbase exclusively from the north, that is, from the Syrian-Turkish border. That is, Russian planes are forced to “drop in” for a few seconds into Turkish territory while landing. And such “jumps” occurred regularly from the 30 of September, when the first sortie was completed.



            Official Turkey is well aware of this. It turns out that on the morning of November 23, a Turkish F-16 plane was simply guarded by a Russian bomber? In this case, the decision to attack the Russian Aerospace Forces aircraft was made at the highest level.

            Events are developing rapidly. Turkey initiated the convening of an emergency meeting of the NATO Council.

            The president of Russia reacted quite sharply, calling the attack on the Su-24 a stab in the back, inflicted by accomplices of terrorists. Putin said so that Russia “has long fixed oil supplies to Turkey from Syrian regions captured by terrorists” (Novaya wrote about the oil business of terrorists through Turkey as early as September, for details, see No. 106 of September 28, September 2015).


            Today we can only say that for Russia, the Turkish Air Force attack was a complete surprise.
        4. Armax
          Armax 25 November 2015 10: 20 New
          0
          Quote: Metallurg
          Erdogan, teach history, so your mother!

          Withdrew from the tongue, the West has always used the Turks against Russia.
          Turks always raked, and the West as a result received its benefits.
          And now Erdogan will be put on a short leash, they say, he screwed up, now listen to the elders.
      2. Snake831
        Snake831 25 November 2015 08: 58 New
        +4
        Destroy the base from where f-16 took off. Mix everything there with dirt! Blood for blood, s..ki! Is Putin going to let everything down? How is the blood of our guys? How so?
        1. andj61
          andj61 25 November 2015 10: 23 New
          0
          Quote: Snake831
          Destroy the base from where f-16 took off. Mix everything there with dirt! Blood for blood, s..ki! Is Putin going to let everything down? How is the blood of our guys? How so?

          The base - this is unlikely, this is war, here are a few planes that "pose a threat" to ours - you can, even on Turkish territory, but the militants who shot at our pilots and helicopters must be multiplied by zero - you can not forgive! But previously, it is possible, following the example of the Americans, to scatter leaflets urging civilians to leave this territory - and use ODAs more powerful so that there is no trace of the militants. And to ensure the occupation of this territory by the Syrian army.
          1. igorka357
            igorka357 25 November 2015 15: 24 New
            0
            As soon as they read the first leaflet, everyone will immediately become peaceful .. and what's the point .. to align them with the land of all, there’s almost no peace ...
        2. Azitral
          Azitral 25 November 2015 11: 06 New
          +1
          Maybe in every way, maybe for them they won't seriously harness for them. But generally speaking, a retaliation strike is a war with a NATO member. The war with NATO. And it’s not sugar to fight with Turkey itself, they are not much weaker than the Russian Federation, if not taking into account nuclear weapons. Even a serious quarrel = closing straits. Yes, it will cost them unpredictably and, most likely, much more expensive. Answer? Most likely they will deliver more air defense systems and on behalf of Syria will be banned from flying Turkish aircraft over their territory in general. "Buki" of the latest modification and the latest generation of S-300.
          With this useless, stupid disgust, they allowed the union to establish, in fact, a no-fly zone for the Turks. And if so, then there will be no invasion.
    2. bubalik
      bubalik 25 November 2015 08: 57 New
      +2
      Turkey does not like that Russia is fighting against the (terrorist) Islamic State


      ,,, okay, this is just an excuse, and it’s like the disassembly of 90x, only big guys and their appetites are growing,
      ,,, divide spheres of influence and money ,,,

      ,,, Think it happened when our VKS began to break the oil flow wink ,,,
      1. Warbird # 4
        Warbird # 4 25 November 2015 09: 09 New
        +4
        About 90s to the point! "This is our cow and we milk it!" This is me about the fuel trucks and the son of Erdogan.
    3. demo
      demo 25 November 2015 09: 00 New
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      Well, why illegally.
      Are we crooks, some kind, or a second-rate country?
      It is enough to create a committee to help the oppressed peoples of Turkey.
      Specifically, the Kurds.
      And declare the nation’s right to self-determination according to the Kosovo scenario.
      Especially the US helps the Kurds.
      Well, let them explain to each other "longer."
      1. uge.garik
        uge.garik 25 November 2015 09: 32 New
        +4
        Our Crimea! Ararat of Armenia! Down with the invaders from Cyprus! Autonomy for the Kurds! Freedom to the Turks from the bloody regime of Erdogan - an accomplice and patron of ISIS! ... and something Iran is modest ...
      2. WYCCTPUJIA
        WYCCTPUJIA 25 November 2015 10: 38 New
        0
        I agree with you !!!! To provide assistance to the "MODERATE" (Kurds) of the Turkish OPPOSITION !!! To promote democratic transformations in the country and its path to a brighter future. hi
    4. vkl-47
      vkl-47 25 November 2015 09: 05 New
      +8
      you need to shoot down all Turkish planes crossing the Syrian border. This will be an adequate response. That would know the DOG whose bone grabbed
      1. Azitral
        Azitral 25 November 2015 11: 09 New
        0
        Note: this, among other things, will be LEGAL!
      2. Tatarus
        Tatarus 25 November 2015 14: 08 New
        +1
        As you all got, ignorant stupid_ryly. Learn Russian oligophrenics. Shame the site and the country.
        Quote: vkl-47
        adequate answer
        Really don’t understand that stupid?
    5. Geosun
      Geosun 25 November 2015 09: 09 New
      +2
      Legally, you need to help the Kurds, openly, let them think.
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    7. U-96
      U-96 25 November 2015 09: 16 New
      +1
      Quote: volot-voin
      I would still illegally help the Kurds in the struggle for independence. PKK probably lacks modern weapons.

      Yes Yes. I hope our stupidity will not be committed. This rake is better to get around.
      1. Sergey S.
        Sergey S. 25 November 2015 09: 58 New
        +1
        Quote: U-96
        Quote: volot-voin
        I would still illegally help the Kurds in the struggle for independence. PKK probably lacks modern weapons.

        Yes Yes. I hope our stupidity will not be committed. This rake is better to get around.

        This is not a rake, but a bulldozer in the cemetery of capitalism.
        True to him, it’s better not to mess with him.
        Friendship is useful and promising.

        Specifically: the real enemies of the sash in the Near and Middle East are now only Bashar al-Assad with a Baath party and Kurds from the PKK.

        Amer.y are at war with the remnants of socialism.
        Fighting means being afraid.
        And rightly afraid!
        But Abramovich is not afraid of them ...
        1. Azitral
          Azitral 25 November 2015 11: 12 New
          +1
          "enemies of sashka"
          Please do not offend. This is me Sasha. And they are, in the best case, "sshaka."
    8. aleks 62 next
      aleks 62 next 25 November 2015 09: 30 New
      0
      ..... I would still illegally help the Kurds in the struggle for independence. PKK probably lacks modern weapons.

      ..... The thought is sound ... Only how to carry (convey) the "help" to the Kurds ???? ..... See the map ... hi
      1. U-96
        U-96 25 November 2015 09: 47 New
        +1
        Quote: aleks 62 next
        ..... The thought is sound ...

        and what, sorry, is it sound? Recall how our media covered the terrorist attacks in Turkey on July 20 and September 8? "... the killing of police in the southeastern provinces, for which the PKK claimed responsibility. In total over the past 3,5 months, more than 160 police, military, and civilians have become victims of Kurdish militants ..." This, for a minute , RIA News. Sharp rhetoric change and start sponsoring terrorists? Wisely.
    9. Siberian1965
      Siberian1965 25 November 2015 09: 45 New
      +1
      Why illegal? The United gang states have declared the Kurds allies in the fight against ISIS. Based on the situation, it is logical to cover the Kurds with air by ground and air means. Erdogan is now spinning like a naughty fifth grader. The answer should be.
      1. U-96
        U-96 25 November 2015 10: 06 New
        0
        Quote: Siberian1965
        The United gang states have declared the Kurds allies in the fight against ISIS.

        Kurds, Kurds, strife) Sinjar, with the support of the Amer’s Air Force, was taken by Iraqi Kurds Barzani, and relations between the KDP and the PKK are far from ideal.
    10. Vend
      Vend 25 November 2015 09: 53 New
      +1
      Quote: volot-voin
      Strongly due to Turkey this unfriendly action will come back. The closure of tourism from the Russian Federation, the Turkish stream, nuclear power plants, other trade .... I would still illegally help the Kurds in the struggle for independence. PKK probably lacks modern weapons.

      Yes, it is economic methods that need to be answered.
      Turkey is a member of NATO

      That is why a provocation was made. Another attempt to draw Russia into the war, then to poke a finger and say it did not start.
    11. Hubun
      Hubun 25 November 2015 09: 57 New
      0
      More NATO partners would have kicked her away from sin
    12. su163
      su163 25 November 2015 10: 01 New
      0
      Hollande began to move the topic of closing the Turkish-Syrian border. Help must be carpeted along the strip.
    13. Mowgli
      Mowgli 25 November 2015 10: 04 New
      0
      Quote: volot-voin
      I would still illegally help the Kurds in the struggle for independence.


      But this is not necessary.
      Some were already reminded of the "struggle for independence." ISIS turned out.
      Here, too, something can work out. And not the fact that good.
      Something like that.
  2. cniza
    cniza 25 November 2015 08: 52 New
    +3
    He also recalled the accusations repeatedly addressed to Turkey about “its sluggish participation in the fight against IS and the criminal bombardments of Kurds who are at war with terrorists”.



    The Turks got to Erdogan in full, let them urgently hold new elections.
    1. Haettenschweiler
      Haettenschweiler 25 November 2015 09: 26 New
      +2
      Quote: cniza
      The Turks got to Erdogan in full, let them urgently hold new elections.


      - Something no Kremlin’s decisive steps can not see.
  3. a52333
    a52333 25 November 2015 08: 53 New
    +6
    ABOUT! Europeans began to deny Turkey! Good!
    Solovyov now on Vesti FM proposed creating a no-fly zone over the Kurds. good
    1. VadimSt
      VadimSt 25 November 2015 08: 57 New
      +4
      Do we not know that all European politicians see clearly exclusively in the rank of "former"!
    2. volot-voin
      volot-voin 25 November 2015 08: 57 New
      +1
      Quote: a52333
      Solovyov now on Vesti FM proposed creating a no-fly zone over the Kurds

      After the Turkish aggression, this will be only a symmetrical answer. I fully support. In the place of the Turkish Air Force, I would now beware of flying over the territory of Syria in general.
    3. Denis DV
      Denis DV 25 November 2015 09: 07 New
      0
      Why not over Turkey? need to be created over Turkey, the Kurds have no aviation! Let the Turks keep their letaki in hangars until the terrorists are completely destroyed on Turkish territory.
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    5. Karabin
      Karabin 25 November 2015 09: 22 New
      -3
      Quote: a52333
      ABOUT! Europeans began to deny Turkey! Good!

      Yah? And is there a document, or only in words? He gave the word, he took the word.
      Quote: a52333
      Solovyov now on Vesti FM proposed creating a no-fly zone

      Will he create himself or will he pull other journalists? Who is he at all?
      1. U-96
        U-96 25 November 2015 09: 33 New
        +3
        Quote: a52333
        Solovyov now on Vesti FM proposed creating a no-fly zone over the Kurds.

        Quote: Karabin
        Will he create himself or will he pull other journalists? Who is he at all?

        laughing Well, this is it .... You are that ... don’t be outrageous ... He wants to - he will introduce a no-fly zone right from the air. A seasoned human being.
      2. aleks 62 next
        aleks 62 next 25 November 2015 09: 39 New
        +8
        .... Who is he at all? ...

        .... Generally, a man .... Recognizable and quite popular, with a pragmatic mentality .... Millions know him ..... Doesn’t carry any crap ..... hi
        1. Karabin
          Karabin 25 November 2015 09: 46 New
          -5
          Quote: aleks 62 next
          Does not carry any crap ..

          Which they say, this one bears. Otherwise, I would have been in bloggers long ago.
          1. Diana Ilyina
            Diana Ilyina 25 November 2015 11: 27 New
            12
            Karabin, but apparently his glory gives you no peace ?! Soloviev, a respected man and journalist, unlike you! And you and your opinion so will remain in the bloggers!
            1. Karabin
              Karabin 25 November 2015 19: 02 New
              -1
              Quote: Diana Ilyina
              Karabin, but apparently his glory gives you no peace ?!

              I do not care. I rarely watch TV. Soloviev’s books are more interesting to me; there he is less limited by the scope of editorial policy.
              Quote: Diana Ilyina
              Soloviev, respected man and journalist ..

              But am I against it?
              unlike you!
              You know me? My occupation, qualifications, circle of people?
              Quote: Diana Ilyina
              so bloggers and stay!

              To do this, you need to at least start a blog. But laziness. So I can’t reach the blogger either.
        2. andj61
          andj61 25 November 2015 10: 28 New
          0
          Quote: aleks 62 next
          .... Who is he at all? ...

          .... Generally, a man .... Recognizable and quite popular, with a pragmatic mentality .... Millions know him ..... Doesn’t carry any crap ..... hi

          And voiced, what is not very convenient to express - the first! - to officials. And after the people support - and the people support, I hope that no one will doubt it - we can really carry out this event.
          1. U-96
            U-96 25 November 2015 10: 31 New
            0
            Quote: andj61
            voiced, what is not very convenient to express - the first! - to officials. And after the people support - and the people support, I hope that no one will doubt it - we can really carry out this event.

            well, this is a regular PR. The laws of the genre.
      3. Azitral
        Azitral 25 November 2015 11: 27 New
        0
        They disown documents completely calmly. What are the agreements with the Anglo-Saxons? They only create a false sense of security.
    6. aleks 62 next
      aleks 62 next 25 November 2015 09: 36 New
      +1
      .... Solovyov now on Vesti FM proposed creating a no-fly zone over the Kurds. ...

      .... It's high time .... And not only over the Kurds, but also 100km deep into Turkish territory .... As they say: to live with wolves - howl like a wolf ..... They are the same methods ... .. Soloviev yesterday at a talk show said a great idea: you need not only to overcome the challenges and respond to them, but also to CREATE these challenges to partners ..... Let them scratch their turnips .... lol
      1. nikolaev
        nikolaev 25 November 2015 11: 58 New
        0
        stupid (such a task for him) chatter
    7. lis-ik
      lis-ik 25 November 2015 09: 45 New
      0
      Solovyov offers a lot of things, but who will listen to him? I always listen to FM in the car, but I stopped watching TV talk with politicians and political scientists, there were a lot of words and nobody ever listened (I mean from those in power), why then just shake the air and inspire unnecessary hopes in the citizens.
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  4. Max_Bauder
    Max_Bauder 25 November 2015 08: 53 New
    0
    All. As before, now it will not be.
  5. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 25 November 2015 08: 54 New
    +1
    At the very least, in this case, it is possible that Erdogan will resign and be brought to international court.
  6. passerby1
    passerby1 25 November 2015 08: 54 New
    -4
    We have already worn away, there will be nothing. It turns out that NATO membership is accompanied by a free bonus in the form of the ability to shoot down Russian planes with impunity and kill pilots, and Russia will in response "stop military cooperation"
    1. lunoxod
      lunoxod 25 November 2015 09: 02 New
      +2
      Hey passerby, come in.
      V. Tsoi
      1. passerby1
        passerby1 25 November 2015 09: 03 New
        -3
        Do you think if I go through something will change?
      2. Rostovchanin
        Rostovchanin 25 November 2015 09: 38 New
        +2
        We have already wiped ourselves off

        Revenge - the dish is cold (s) and more ... Haste is needed when catching fleas (s) ...
    2. Karabin
      Karabin 25 November 2015 09: 17 New
      -3
      Quote: passerby1
      We wiped ourselves off

      Of course wiped. Time goes by, and out of action, only the mumble-terpils of Peskov da Lavrov with concern. Brutal Putin was blown away to "they beat us in the back" and drove off to E-burg.
      1. Corsair
        Corsair 25 November 2015 11: 06 New
        +2
        Quote: Karabin
        Of course wiped. Time goes by, and out of action, only the mumble-terpils of Peskov da Lavrov with concern. Brutal Putin was blown away to "they beat us in the back" and drove off to E-burg.

        What exactly did you expect? Fucking from the heart - go to an open conflict with NATO, then 200 thousand Russians from the hostages to rescue?
        Here either a clear provocation or a stupid independent move by Erdogan happened.
        Here it is impossible to immediately - here it is necessary to think, not "polite people" at Turkish resorts have a rest with children.
        1. passerby1
          passerby1 27 November 2015 04: 35 New
          0
          Only somehow no one is in a hurry to evacuate Russians from Turkey. We just wiped it all.
  7. WE ARE MAKING
    WE ARE MAKING 25 November 2015 08: 54 New
    +1
    Sorry you can’t fuck ....
    1. volot-voin
      volot-voin 25 November 2015 08: 59 New
      +5
      Quote: AGAIN
      Sorry you can’t fuck ....

      You can fuck it, only now you are ready to send your family to live in a bunker during the 3rd World War? To throw up arms to the Kurds, they are already fighting, they will not lose them.
      1. Alim-1975
        Alim-1975 25 November 2015 09: 34 New
        +7
        Unfortunately, few are aware of this. Everything is on emotions. This is understandable. An adequate and tough answer will be, I have no doubt.
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  9. Now we are free
    Now we are free 25 November 2015 08: 56 New
    +3
    Statements are good / rational BUT who is the former Latvian Foreign Minister Janis Jurkans? In a similar article, it would be necessary to indicate at least the opinion of such rather big people in EU politics as Milos Zeman and Sarah Wagenknecht, I think the opinion of these people is more significant for EU policy, although it is not (unfortunately) decisive.
  10. Decathlon
    Decathlon 25 November 2015 08: 59 New
    +2
    "... she climbs into trouble ..."
    In the process, she does not climb, but she already climbed!
    ROZHON - (oblast.). A sharp stake, fortified in an inclined position ... Patience to you, miserable!
    1. Peterhof 73
      Peterhof 73 25 November 2015 09: 33 New
      0
      Quote: Decathlon
      "... she climbs into trouble ..."
      In the process, she does not climb, but she already climbed!
      ROZHON - (oblast.). A sharp stake, fortified in an inclined position ... Patience to you, miserable!

      Turkey climbs on the HORIZON, which, passing through the anus of Banderland sticks out from her mouth. Before it, a rodent was planted on it. Such is the Black Sea kebab obtained. The enemies of Russia are multiplying every day exponentially. Reminds a song about Gulliver and the Lilliputians: "Than Gulliver is kinder, the Lilliputians are meaner."
  11. dim242
    dim242 25 November 2015 08: 59 New
    +2
    the Turks are being merged
  12. Mihalich17
    Mihalich17 25 November 2015 08: 59 New
    +1
    Unexpected for me, but very correct words of Europeans! Glad.
    1. Alim-1975
      Alim-1975 25 November 2015 09: 48 New
      0
      Nothing else could have been expected from a failed EU. Wherever the wind blows, there the flags rinse. Europe is weak and, unfortunately, can only assent to the powers that be in time.
      1. andj61
        andj61 25 November 2015 10: 30 New
        0
        Quote: Alim-1975
        Nothing else could have been expected from a failed EU. Wherever the wind blows, there the flags rinse. Europe is weak and, unfortunately, can only assent to the powers that be in time.

        Europe wiped out its snot when Erdogan organized the displacement of refugees, not only from Syria, but also from Somalia, Yemen, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. through its territory to Europe. And now it’s erased, there will be no burrow for Erdogan, they don’t need it in FIG.
  13. parusnik
    parusnik 25 November 2015 08: 59 New
    +1
    Understand ... Erdogan set Europe up ... and greatly ... destroying the Russian plane, Erdogan destroyed Turkey’s political and economic stability ... what, not what ...
    1. Alim-1975
      Alim-1975 25 November 2015 09: 39 New
      +5
      Erdogan has managed to discretize himself more than once in domestic politics and in foreign policy. At this time, generally proved to be zero. First of all, for their fellow citizens. Framed his state.
  14. Mercenary
    Mercenary 25 November 2015 08: 59 New
    +3
    Insolent: - "Be that as it may, Turkey is a member of NATO,"
    So, what can now sit on your head? Initially, Article # 5 of Nato began to work after an attack from outside the country by a member of Nato. And now, who will not be too lazy to start a war and the rest should be connected?
    What if Erdogan shot down a French plane? (they say they are also trying to fly there).
    1. shuhartred
      shuhartred 25 November 2015 09: 48 New
      +1
      Quote: Mercenary
      And now, who will not be too lazy to start a war and the rest should be connected?

      I don’t understand the meaning of this action! No, of course, if our plane violated airspace, didn’t react, etc. (in general, if the Turks do not lie), then everything is clear and questions arise for our command and pilots. If not, then .... finally nothing is clear. What for? What do we want to achieve? Even if the Turks knew that there would be nothing for them, and ours would be swallowed. What bonuses then? Nobody needs a war, this is not 1914 and not even a downed Boeing. Show who is the boss in the house? Stupidly, ours will begin (have already begun) to fly with cover and really will bring down everything that at least farts in our direction. That is, there is no gain, but there are already losses and will increase (the lira has already fallen and much). Even if they recognize the pilot f-16 crazy and blame everything on him. Motive not visible, who benefits?
  15. seregatara1969
    seregatara1969 25 November 2015 08: 59 New
    0
    tihushniki very regret it
  16. denois
    denois 25 November 2015 09: 00 New
    +2
    The Americans need to exclude Turkey from NATO and do it as soon as possible, but we’ll figure out what to do with these Turks
    1. Denis DV
      Denis DV 25 November 2015 09: 15 New
      0
      After the punishment of Turkey, in the absence of active NATO intervention (verbal diarrhea against Russia does not count), the alliance will roll along the path of collapse.
  17. Russian jacket
    Russian jacket 25 November 2015 09: 00 New
    +3
    At one time, quite by accident, according to rumors, Zia ul Haq died in a plane crash. Evil tongues claim that the KGB helped, as a punishment for suppressing an uprising in Badaber ... as if it didn’t sound unpleasant, but Erdogan and his son should repeat this route .... As the Romans used to say "Indulging in the small, you encourage the worst"
  18. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 25 November 2015 09: 00 New
    +3
    Turks Erdogan "surrender", simply from the instinct of self-preservation. The question is how to judge him? In my opinion, it is time to organize the same international tribunal for which the "Svidomo" so advocated. With life terms. Only there, not only Erdogan, but also Turchinov with Poroshenko and Yatsenyuk will sit on the little bench. And the Qatari "gray cardinal" that organized the terrorist attack on our plane. There is already a line of candidates. Not all of them should be judged by Milosevic.
  19. Tuzik
    Tuzik 25 November 2015 09: 02 New
    +1
    exclude her nafig from NATO and declare the state an accomplice of terrorists
    1. Denis DV
      Denis DV 25 November 2015 09: 23 New
      +1
      Flogging Turkey as part of NATO will show the failure of the alliance, this will strengthen Russia's position in the world, weaken the influence of the US and the EU on part of the global processes. The euro-bureaucratic crisis will worsen with all the consequences ...
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  20. Stiletto
    Stiletto 25 November 2015 09: 05 New
    +6
    A terrible insult has been inflicted on us. A plane was shot down after it, a helicopter was destroyed, and at least two Russian servicemen were killed. Catapulted pilots were calmly shot and killed.
    We need a military response, we won’t scare Turkey with sanctions, we will further substitute and isolate ourselves with this. In addition, an attempt to punish Turkey only with the ruble will look at least pathetic, wretched and impotent. You need to shoot down at least one Turkish plane in response. Blood for blood. And the lunar landscape on the border of Syria with Turkey at the site of those camps where ki live, who shot our guys.
  21. Dr. Barmaley
    Dr. Barmaley 25 November 2015 09: 07 New
    +2
    Turkey in an incident with a Russian plane acted irresponsibly, she climbs into trouble


    There was already a similar case ...
  22. shimus
    shimus 25 November 2015 09: 08 New
    +3
    I'm sorry, what does this statement mean?
    “I hope that Russia will not get involved and will not take revenge on Turkey, because, be that as it may, Turkey is a member of NATO, and if Russia does something, then a serious war may ensue, ”he said. “Although I don’t believe it, because the West needs Russia.”
    So what the hell, sorry, this one MEMBER NATO is engaged ANANISM!
    I will clarify that not one ORGAN doesn’t move until it receives a neural impulse from BRAIN!
    Respectively There was a team, and from whom, I think EVERYTHING guessed !!!
  23. Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 25 November 2015 09: 10 New
    +2
    The main threats of our time:

    1. Aggressive and militaristic USA, who do not care about international law and the UN.
    2. IG.
    3. Provocative Turkey.

    Ebola, at best, is in 4th place.

    1001. Completely decayed Ukraine. laughing
  24. ratfly
    ratfly 25 November 2015 09: 15 New
    +1
    We won’t be able to get revenge right away for several reasons. Several tens of thousands of voluntary hostages are in Turkey for their money - this time. Turks control the exit from the Black Sea. And we need a short way to the bases in Latakia, right now - these are two. There are a bunch of economic projects at various stages of implementation, but you won’t tear it up right away, it takes time - it’s three. Let's wait ...
    1. aleks 62 next
      aleks 62 next 25 November 2015 09: 44 New
      0
      ..... The Turks control the exit from the Black Sea. And we need a short way to the bases in Latakia, ...

      ..... Blah blah ..... Do you think that Turkey will declare war on Russia ???? ..... laughing ..... Evropa is well aware of what this can turn out for freaks, and for Evropa: "...." unforeseen consequences are possible for a NATO member who decided to take unilateral military actions against nuclear country "...... hi
    2. Peterhof 73
      Peterhof 73 25 November 2015 17: 54 New
      0
      Quote: ratfly
      We won’t be able to get revenge right away for several reasons. Several tens of thousands of voluntary hostages are in Turkey for their money - this time. Turks control the exit from the Black Sea. And we need a short way to the bases in Latakia, right now - these are two. There are a bunch of economic projects at various stages of implementation, but you won’t tear it up right away, it takes time - it’s three. Let's wait ...

      This is, to put it mildly, nonsense. The Montreux Convention of 1936 (the international status of the Bosporus and Dardanelles.) Does not agree with you.
  25. Mig-31
    Mig-31 25 November 2015 09: 17 New
    +6
    Why did you start a tourist flow to ban, a tourist flow to ban is not the answer of the nuclear superpower, what are you afraid of, Turks chtol? The answer should be a downed Turkish plane at least two or even several. NATO will not answer with maximum sanctions, screams of any concern in the media, because of Turkey, Europe will not substitute its head for a nuclear sword.
  26. provincial
    provincial 25 November 2015 09: 18 New
    +1
    Finally, we and our guarantor waited for the sympathy of the West, the incident is over. We will write off everything.
  27. solovey
    solovey 25 November 2015 09: 20 New
    +6
    But it’s interesting if at once the “CALIBER” with a nuclear head flew to the airfield from where the F-16 arrived - I think ALL ABOUT @ would have fought and nothing would have happened lol all would have disowned the TURKS !!! It’s fantastic, of course, but creating a free KURDISTAN is no longer fantastic. wink
    1. Peterhof 73
      Peterhof 73 25 November 2015 17: 57 New
      0
      Quote: solovey
      But it’s interesting if at once the “CALIBER” with a nuclear head flew to the airfield from where the F-16 arrived - I think ALL ABOUT @ would have fought and nothing would have happened lol all would have disowned the TURKS !!! It’s fantastic, of course, but creating a free KURDISTAN is no longer fantastic. wink

      That's it. Someone believed that because of the Turkish idiots, the United States would arrange a nuclear attack on Russia?
  28. Dryulea
    Dryulea 25 November 2015 09: 20 New
    +1
    Quote: Snake831
    Destroy the base from where f-16 took off. Mix everything there with dirt! Blood for blood, s..ki! Is Putin going to let everything down? How is the blood of our guys? How so?

    To water base !!! To have clean air!
  29. Hardy
    Hardy 25 November 2015 09: 26 New
    +3
    No, how strong and proud we are !!!! ))) We got it in the face, smeared bloody snot and .... even we regret the enemy, how he poor thing probably bruised his fist on our eye))) Is this not a sign of our strength and power, and in this position we feel sorry for the enemy)) )))

    And how many European bastards supported us !!! Type: - "Well, why is it so cruel ..." or expressed concern, only it is not clear, concern about what ... And even Obama himself said that he would talk with Erdogan ...

    And we carefully collect all these remarks to us and file them in a daddy of national pride)))))))
    1. Azitral
      Azitral 25 November 2015 11: 42 New
      +1
      How much time has passed since the 911 before hitting Afghanistan? Are you kidding me? In general, your statement strongly resembles a provocation.
    2. Mik-51
      Mik-51 25 November 2015 15: 07 New
      0
      Quote: Hardy
      No, how strong and proud we are !!!! ))) We got it in the face, smeared bloody snot and .... even we regret the enemy, how he poor thing probably bruised his fist on our eye))) Is this not a sign of our strength and power, and in this position we feel sorry for the enemy)) )))

      And how many European bastards supported us !!! Type: - "Well, why is it so cruel ..." or expressed concern, only it is not clear, concern about what ... And even Obama himself said that he would talk with Erdogan ...

      And we carefully collect all these remarks to us and file them in a daddy of national pride)))))))


      You - to the playground, where first-graders understand who gave the first slap to the first.
      Thank God at the helm the sane president ...
  30. rus-5819
    rus-5819 25 November 2015 09: 27 New
    0
    “I hope that Russia will not get involved and will not take revenge on Turkey,

    No, Russia will not take revenge, it will simply ruin the economy by restricting tourism and trade ... And the Turkish Stream can smoothly transform into an additional North. And with the "South" you can think about resuscitation of the project.
  31. Per se.
    Per se. 25 November 2015 09: 28 New
    +3
    “I hope that Russia will not get involved and will not take revenge on Turkey, because, be that as it may, Turkey is a member of NATO, and if Russia does something, a serious war could unleash,” he said.
    That is, Russia should not do anything, just because Turkey is a member of NATO? These monkeys that fired from the ground by our pilots by parachute, by the standards of the West, the "moderate opposition", who these scumbags are, should now be obvious. They were not even afraid to post videos of their “feat”, the heinous execution of parachutes fleeing the parachutes. Now it is up to us to find and eliminate this gibon that commented on Vidio and was the commander of a detachment of terrorists. As for Turkey, it is unlikely that without US sanction they would have decided on their own to shoot down our plane. Turkey, like France, that squeezed the "Mistral", like all puppet Europe, have masters in Washington and London, which the Anglo-Saxons say they do. Presumably, the task for the Turks is to bring the matter to the pretext of closing or restricting the passage of our ships through the straits. In any case, the escalation of tension will require new means and forces for Russia, here the Bandera bastard of the Crimea will stir, the war may well resume in the Donbass. There is only one director, and until these overseas puppeteers have serious problems at home, until everything goes off with impunity, they will pose as masters of the great chess game. It is time for Russia to leave the club of capitalism, then there will be less dependence, both on the selfish interests of its oligarchs, and directly on the masters of the world capitalist system, a long-standing transnational system. Without socialism, a "multipolar world" is hardly possible, to which, kind of like, we are striving.
  32. Al_oriso
    Al_oriso 25 November 2015 09: 30 New
    +1
    Hedgehog it is clear that Turkey has destabilized the situation.
    She counted on it, hoping that they would support her.
    Most likely, Turkey was incited, NATO and incited.
    And now they told Erdogan, such as "portray bewilderment," they say "did not identify the plane."
    Well now only the Pentagon, they are waiting there, will not wait for a conflict.
  33. zapas98
    zapas98 25 November 2015 09: 32 New
    +2
    I will express my personal opinion that it is not necessary to bring down Turkish planes now, although I really want to. The answer to the actions of the Turks should be the most painful for them, namely: the first thing is to wipe off all oil refineries and oil product storages located on the territory of the ISIS controlled. The second is to destroy all fuel trucks moving in convoys or singly towards the Turkish border, and away from it. Third, send a couple of “Ruslans” with weapons in the form of humanitarian aid to the Kurds. And the fourth is to show a civil position not to go on vacation to Turkey.
  34. Aunt Sonya
    Aunt Sonya 25 November 2015 09: 32 New
    +4
    1) To put at the negotiating table in Moscow the President of the SAR, Bashar al-Assad, and the leader of the Kurdish party "Democratic Union" Salih Muslim Mohammed.
    (Information: there are more than 60 thousand fighters + to join another 150-200 thousand against Turkey)
    Assad will give them our weapons -DIPLOMACY :)))
    *
    2) Thus, completely close the border with Turkey (the son of Erdogan trades Igilovskoy blood oil)
    *

    3) the Russian VKS and the Navy to work out a strip of 50 km between Turkey and Syria using the "Scorched Earth" system,
    *
    which was used on Damansky Island in March 1969 during a conflict with the Sinians, no one else lives there and nothing grows.
    *
    Great Mother Russia - we Love You, we are Worthy, we will Fight!
    *
    Eternal Glory and Memory to our Warriors!
    !!!
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 25 November 2015 11: 05 New
      0
      Last night, our VKS bombers needed to launch a powerful missile bomb strike on the section of the Syrian-Turkish border where Turkish militants were stationed - this would be an excellent hint to the Turkish government.
  35. Conscience
    Conscience 25 November 2015 09: 35 New
    +1
    complete blockade - especially from Syria.
    make it technically impossible (to blind) the territory adjacent to Syria, well, do not forget about the straits. (blind)
    I think with guns they will not shoot against missiles.
    do not cross the border - not a step.
    climb themselves to destroy.
  36. IPSC-2008
    IPSC-2008 25 November 2015 09: 36 New
    +2
    Quote: volot-voin
    I would still illegally help the Kurds in the struggle for independence. PKK probably lacks modern weapons.

    And if Turkey starts supplying a "moderate opposition" MANPADS? How many more aircraft can we lose? Afghanistan-2 will not start. Here you need to be very balanced. But it is imperative to punish, so that the desire to spoil repuls forever.
  37. s.melioxin
    s.melioxin 25 November 2015 09: 38 New
    +1
    “There may be unforeseen consequences for a NATO member who decides to take unilateral military action against a nuclear country.”
    Dear, what are you talking about? If America announced this incident. Like, let's see what happens. So I think that Putin V.V. it will not give a descent. And I will support him, in any actions. A man has already said, we will wait, what will happen. It would be better this way.
  38. gg.na
    gg.na 25 November 2015 09: 38 New
    0
    Kurds throw weapons wink quietly so. Well, in general, you need to wait to see what our president decides! As the saying goes, let's wait and see! bullyBut it looks like we will push Turkey economically! wassat
  39. psf
    psf 25 November 2015 09: 40 New
    0
    Woke up ... a logical step would be to kick it out of NATO) and see what happens
  40. hartlend
    hartlend 25 November 2015 09: 45 New
    0
    Quote: volot-voin
    I would still illegally help the Kurds in the struggle for independence. PKK probably lacks modern weapons.

    So it’s illegal. You can always find reasons for legal assistance.
  41. Aunt Sonya
    Aunt Sonya 25 November 2015 09: 45 New
    0
    Quote: IPSC-2008
    Quote: volot-voin
    I would still illegally help the Kurds in the struggle for independence. PKK probably lacks modern weapons.

    And if Turkey starts supplying a "moderate opposition" MANPADS? How many more aircraft can we lose? Afghanistan-2 will not start. Here you need to be very balanced. But it is imperative to punish, so that the desire to spoil repuls forever.

    you are liberal - demosrat, we already have nothing to piss - will take all of the explosives - even for the killed Russian bee or bumblebee.
    for wumniks MANPADS - DO NOT FLY when using Russian electronic warfare
    and quietly do nothing -SU24 shot down very loudly
    maybe enough to sit under a pebble
  42. Aunt Sonya
    Aunt Sonya 25 November 2015 09: 49 New
    0
    Quote: gg.na
    Kurds throw weapons wink quietly so. Well, in general, you need to wait to see what our president decides! As the saying goes, let's wait and see! bullyBut it looks like we will push Turkey economically! wassat

    They have already begun - there will be a strip of BURNED LAND - otherwise, with the Janissaries
  43. kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 25 November 2015 09: 49 New
    0
    Revenge is a "cold" dish and it will be served when no one is waiting, but you cannot "flog a fever" in such a serious matter! Everything has its time and Putin understands this better than anyone else! Do not think that this aggression will come off for the Turks with impunity!
  44. kizhe
    kizhe 25 November 2015 09: 50 New
    0
    "Action is equal to counteraction." Only an equivalent, adequate answer. And he, I hope, will be. In the end, the friends of the dead remained among our pilots.
  45. Wajra-3
    Wajra-3 25 November 2015 09: 52 New
    0
    It's time to deploy electronic warfare over all of Syria. Well, take a little Turks. Plus weapons to the Kurds and the promise of autonomy in Iraq, Turkey and Syria.
  46. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 25 November 2015 09: 56 New
    0
    Erdogan and his entourage seem to have a tantrum. Eastern guys are always emotionally unstable and therefore often make mistakes. Now it is necessary to catch him on rash statements and actions. And beat the patient. By wallet, by authority, by family members.
  47. Aunt Sonya
    Aunt Sonya 25 November 2015 10: 07 New
    0
    Pity and Anger for our pilot, there are pilots from Transbaikalia st.Domna
    1. zapas98
      zapas98 25 November 2015 10: 22 New
      0
      what difference does it come from, these are OUR PILOTS, this is OUR PLANE!
    2. zapas98
      zapas98 25 November 2015 10: 22 New
      0
      what difference does it come from, these are OUR PILOTS, this is OUR PLANE!
  48. Nikolay71
    Nikolay71 25 November 2015 10: 07 New
    +1
    Quote: volot-voin
    Quote: Metallurg
    If this happens-this is a direct invitation of the Russian Federation to the war. But we do not need war.

    With a competent economic and political game, Turkey itself will die, and the owners of hotels in Antalya will crucify Erdogan. And it’s best to fight with the wrong hands, in Turkey there is someone with Erdogan to fight without us. PKK for example.

    I agree. And Erdogan is a kamikaze.
  49. AlexTires
    AlexTires 25 November 2015 10: 11 New
    +2
    Why in the anti-Russian countries common sense comes only after receiving the prefix - "EX"?
  50. sad1940
    sad1940 25 November 2015 10: 32 New
    0
    Quote: volot-voin
    Strongly due to Turkey this unfriendly action will come back. The closure of tourism from the Russian Federation, the Turkish stream, nuclear power plants, other trade .... I would still illegally help the Kurds in the struggle for independence. PKK probably lacks modern weapons.

    A very true idea and if our rulers once again do not put on their pants, then this is exactly what needs to be done.