General Rudskoy: “Military contacts with Turkey will be stopped”

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Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation published on his website a statement by the Chief of the Main Operations Directorate of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, Lieutenant General Sergei Rudsky, on the fact of the provocative actions of the Turkish Air Force.

General Rudskoy: “Military contacts with Turkey will be stopped”


“Today (November 24) in 10.24 Moscow time. while performing a combat departure over the territory of the Syrian Arab Republic, the F-16 Turkish Air Force fighter was shot down by a Su-24M front bomber of the Russian HQs. Presumably the defeat was inflicted by a short-range rocket with a thermal homing head.

There were no attempts by the Turkish aircraft to contact or establish visual contact with our crew by means of objective monitoring.

A rocket hit a Su-24M aircraft over Syria. The crash site is located on Syrian territory four kilometers from the border. The crew of the aircraft ejected. According to preliminary data, one pilot was killed in the air by fire from the ground.

According to the exact data of objective control, our plane did not cross the border with Turkey.

This is also confirmed by the data of the Syrian air defense.

Moreover, according to the radar intelligence of Hmeimim airfield, the fact of violation of the airspace of Syria by the attacking aircraft of the Turkish Air Force was noted.

This fact is regarded as a gross violation of international law with the most serious consequences and a direct violation of the Memorandum on the prevention of incidents and ensuring flight safety in the Syrian Arab Republic, concluded with the United States and extending to all countries of the coalition, including Turkey.

Apparently, therefore, Turkey began emergency consultations with NATO, instead of urgently entering into contact with the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation.

The Turkish military attache in the Russian Federation declared a strong protest against the actions of the Turkish Air Force, which led to the loss of our aircraft.

It should be noted that from the very beginning of the operation we established a direct telephone line between the National Center for Defense Management of the Russian Federation and the Ministry of Defense of Turkey, but it did not bring any practical benefit from the fault of the Turkish side.

In order to evacuate Russian pilots from the landing site, a search and rescue operation was conducted involving two Mi-8 helicopters. During the operation, one of the helicopters as a result of small-arms fire weapons received damage and made a forced landing on neutral territory. One marine contract soldier died.

The actions of the search and rescue team and the helicopter crew were evacuated and are currently on aviation base "Hmeimim". The helicopter was destroyed from the territory controlled by gangs with mortar fire.

The search and rescue operation of the crew of the downed Russian bomber continues.

I want to emphasize that in the area of ​​operations of the Russian aviation, an operation of Syrian government troops is being conducted to destroy gangs in which, according to our data, more than 1000 militants from the North Caucasus are concentrated.

I draw your attention to the fact that none of our partners and the countries leading the fighting against ISIS have ever said that there are units of the so-called “moderate opposition” in this area and that they do not recommend striking the area. On the contrary, these areas are known as territories controlled by the most radical gangs.

The General Staff is currently working on additional measures to ensure the security of the Russian aviation base.

First: All actions of strike aviation will be carried out only under the cover of fighter aircraft.

Second: Measures will be taken to strengthen the air defense. To this end, the cruiser "Moscow", equipped with an air defense system "Fort", similar to the C-300, will occupy the area in the coastal part of Latakia. We warn that all the goals that pose a potential danger to us will be destroyed.

Third: Military contacts with Turkey will be terminated. ”


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    1. +26
      25 November 2015 08: 20
      Quote: avvg
      Turks alone have a headache in the Middle East

      All this, unfortunately, had to be done earlier with the start of the operation, there is no faith in the scumbag to Erdogan, the fallen children have eternal memory and glory and low bow.
      1. -6
        25 November 2015 08: 27
        In order to evacuate Russian pilots from the landing site, a search and rescue operation was carried out with the involvement of two Mi-8 helicopters. During the operation, one of the helicopters as a result of fire from small arms was damaged and made an emergency landing in neutral territory. One contract Marine died.

        Fighter without cover. Helicopters without cover. Where are the brains? Now only the cheeks are pouted.
        1. +8
          25 November 2015 08: 35
          Bomber - this is the first!
          Brains - where necessary, and secondly!
          And thirdly - it’s better to be silent and do not engage in MISTRACTION, if you don’t understand anything in this matter!
          1. +10
            25 November 2015 08: 44
            Quote: Mihalich17
            it’s better to keep quiet and don’t engage in MURDERING, if you don’t understand anything in this matter!


            It’s you who don’t confuse me with Ukrainians to shut up their mouths in case of disagreement.

            Quote: Mihalich17
            Brains - where necessary, and secondly!


            And it should be in the first place. "Better to overlook" - this principle has to be learned from Chechnya already.

            Quote: Mihalich17
            Bomber - this is the first!


            It does not affect the essence of a dubious organization. Climb into the area near the border knowing that there are clouds of militants, and without cover (this is me about the search). There would be your opinion to know.
            1. +14
              25 November 2015 08: 50
              Wise after the event.
              There is such a Russian proverb.
              Now many are trying on a race for themselves.
              There is a war in Syria, and the Turks sided with the terrorists.
              Another day ago there was a different situation.
              No need to drive a wave of command.
              1. +4
                25 November 2015 08: 56
                Quote: Temples
                No need to drive a wave of command.


                Who sent the turntables without cover, Pushkin?
                1. +4
                  25 November 2015 09: 05
                  What kind of cover?
                  When you yell about cover, you say it specifically.
                  Do not just be smart and name the actions.
                  Name the entire list of actions, if you know.
                  What to do so that no bullet gets into a helicopter flying at a height of 10 meters above the ground with a group of marines on board.
                  And then screaming all over.
                  Maybe you are just missing there.
                  Share your knowledge.
                  1. 0
                    25 November 2015 10: 01
                    Quote: Karavan
                    Fighter without cover. Helicopters without cover. Where are the brains? Now only cheeks are pouted

                    Well, for that matter, then you need to start with the root cause:
                    Attacked a plane of a nuclear power. Where are the brains? And now only cheeks have been puffed out and crap in bulk.
                2. Riv
                  +5
                  25 November 2015 09: 12
                  It is clear that a man in military affairs does not understand nichrome and has never flown in a helicopter.
                  How to cover MI-8 in such a situation? Jet fighters? So the difference in speed at times. Once flew in, covered, then fifteen minutes again to look for turntables. And in order for the pilot himself to find the goal on earth, he must be a wizard. Combat helicopter? He is just as vulnerable to fire from the earth. The only protection here is terrain, speed and a machine gun as a last resort. Ours did everything right, losses are minimal. The fact that the helicopter was shot down at all is a matter of chance and a large-caliber machine gun found in the spirits under the arms.
                  Americans in exactly the same situations in Vietnam lost a helicopter after a helicopter and did not complain.
                  1. +4
                    25 November 2015 09: 42
                    Quote: Riv
                    How to cover MI-8 in such a situation?


                    24 why the hell in Syria arrived? and in terms of a bomber - why the heck did fighters come to Syria?

                    Quote: Riv
                    Americans in exactly the same situations in Vietnam lost a helicopter after a helicopter and did not complain


                    Do you understand what you wrote? About the conflict of 50 years ago. For 50 years of mind has not increased?
                  2. +4
                    25 November 2015 10: 05
                    Quote: Riv
                    How to cover MI-8 in such a situation? Jet fighters?

                    And you forgot why, in fact, the helicopter flew?
                    This is a search-and-rescue operation, the root cause of which was our bomber knocked down at point-blank range, like the cover of the bombers was discussed!
                    Why are you distorting?
                    Quote: Riv
                    Americans in exactly the same situations in Vietnam lost a helicopter after a helicopter and did not complain.

                    You want to say that it is not necessary to draw conclusions from this? fool
                    1. +2
                      25 November 2015 10: 19
                      Quote: Stroporez
                      And you forgot why, in fact, the helicopter flew?


                      Tired of repeating the question. Why did he fly without combat cover 24-ki?
                  3. +1
                    25 November 2015 10: 58
                    MI-8 must be covered by an attack helicopter, and if they did not want to send MI-28 / Ka-52 to Syria, then the "crocodile" will do.
                    1. +2
                      25 November 2015 11: 16
                      Quote: Maksus
                      MI-8 must be covered by an attack helicopter, and if they did not want to send MI-28 / Ka-52 to Syria, then the "crocodile" will do.

                      To begin with, the SU-24 had to be covered with a pair of SU-30, so as not to send the search group to MI-8 then. The rescue group, by definition, works at low and ultra low altitudes, which means it is vulnerable to almost everything, starting from Kalash , and ending with MANPADS ... it could have been worse and both MI-8s would not have returned to the base.
                      1. 0
                        25 November 2015 11: 38
                        Our flights there are more than 50 sorties per day, and of the fighters only 4 Su-30 and 4 Su-27. How are you going to accompany each fighter with two fighters ??
                      2. Riv
                        +4
                        25 November 2015 12: 47
                        It's not even that there are few fighters. They are enough to hold the sky over Syria. But not over Turkey. F-16 fired from its territory and did not risk anything. If there were at least twenty cover planes there, they would not have done anything. Shoot down a NATO plane over their native territory is a war. You can recall the ambassador without waiting for him to be handed a note.
                        A military transport helicopter is useless to cover in such situations. Just the targets will not be one, but two. Landing can be covered by attack helicopters, but this is again a way of protection by increasing the number of targets.
                        And moreover, no one will send a dozen cars to save one person.
                        Hamsters are touched by their spontaneity.
                      3. +1
                        25 November 2015 15: 10
                        Quote: Dangerous
                        Our flights there are more than 50 sorties per day, and of the fighters only 4 Su-30 and 4 Su-27. How are you going to accompany each fighter with two fighters ??

                        That's why I said that the fighter component had to be increased from the moment Erdogan started talking about the fact that he would bring down our planes.
                      4. 0
                        25 November 2015 14: 41

                        So I just talked about helicopters. There should be traps from MANPADS, devices for lowering the exhaust temperature - "ears" on the crocodile.
                      5. Riv
                        -1
                        25 November 2015 14: 44
                        Sorry moa ... And how will a heat trap help from a large-caliber bullet? It also highlights at night.
                      6. Riv
                        0
                        25 November 2015 14: 44
                        Sorry moa ... And how will a heat trap help from a large-caliber bullet? It also highlights at night.
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                4. +1
                  25 November 2015 13: 12
                  probably mi-24 were on a mission their limited number
              2. +9
                25 November 2015 09: 22
                Quote: Temples
                Another day ago there was a different situation.
                No need to drive a wave of command.

                At least you think what you say! fool
                I remind you that at first our drone was shot!
                But this fact was ignored by the command in terms of protection for its front-line aviation.
                This is war, my dear, and the war of gouging does not forgive.
                What wave are you talking about?
                Two downed aircraft of the Russian Aerospace Forces, is this a wave?
                Our soldiers who died for the distant lands, is this a wave?
                Under the USSR, for such an operation planning someone would have lost at best a pursuit, and a worse life
                1. +1
                  25 November 2015 09: 30
                  I'll repeat:
                  Turks sided with the terrorists.
                  Another day ago there was a different situation.
                  No need to drive a wave of command.


                  And add your words
                  This is war, darling ...


                  And our skirmishes here unfortunately will not save our fighters there.

                  And, I think before I say it. hi
                  1. +8
                    25 November 2015 09: 55
                    Quote: Temples
                    I'll repeat:
                    Turks sided with the terrorists.
                    Another day ago there was a different situation.

                    You repeat garbage !!!
                    I remind you that during the Chechen war, Turkey became an almost rear base for the Separatists! It was in Turkey that the bloody Chechen criminals recovered and were treated ...
                    Well, what did you remember?
                    Once again, I remind you of the recently shot down drone!
                    Is this, in your opinion, an act of goodwill?
                    Quote: Temples
                    Name the entire list of actions, if you know.

                    Close the border with the Turks is quite possible a couple of fighters if sho.
                    I am absolutely convinced that many unfortunate generals should be punished for negligence in ensuring flight safety of front-line aviation.
                    1. +5
                      25 November 2015 10: 24
                      Quote: Stroporez
                      Close the border with the Turks is quite possible a couple of fighters if sho.
                      I am absolutely convinced that many unfortunate generals should be punished for negligence in ensuring flight safety of front-line aviation.

                      Greetings, friend drinks In the first chapter, we should bring all our tourists and the diplomatic mission outside Turkey. This will untie our hands. I’m sure that the Black Sea Fleet and the Crimean group are already in combat. After listening to Satanovsky, I came to similar conclusions with him and I think that a military response certainly will be (coupled with diplomatic, economic and political).
                      I have said more than once that the VKS group needs to be strengthened. Perhaps the 30th and 35th will be pulled up. I won’t be surprised if the MIG-31 appears near the Turkish border.
                      In general, you need to wait a bit, and not hurry, as many of those present suggest, to hurry. it is absolutely impossible to leave everything that happened unpunished.
                      Sincerely. hi
                      1. +2
                        25 November 2015 10: 42
                        Hi! drinks
                        Quote: NEXUS
                        It is necessary to punish, but to do it thoughtfully and carefully. The steps must be accurate and verified.

                        It is very disturbing that, just nobody is ceremony with us ...
                      2. +4
                        25 November 2015 11: 12
                        Quote: Stroporez
                        It is very disturbing that, just nobody is ceremony with us ...

                        Because we relaxed. At the moment Erdogan began declaring that he would bring down our planes, it was necessary to strengthen the group of the airborne forces in Syria with fighters to cover the bombers, as well as stop issuing visas to Turkey, taking out those who left there earlier. Erdogan’s statement was ALREADY an act of aggression, and we ignored him, hoping that we would not be touched under the flag of good and justice. And we paid for our carelessness.
                2. 0
                  25 November 2015 09: 57
                  You don’t know history well — in the USSR.
            2. 0
              25 November 2015 09: 54
              If I were as smart as my wife later. hi
            3. +4
              25 November 2015 10: 43
              All right. And the plane should have been under cover, and the ground operation should have a good cover. Not fly over their own country. Our generals dizzy from success. What are we for the General Staff, if they cannot plan ahead? God forbid, the war begins, so they will also not plan ahead, but only respond to the circumstances? Shame for the command and the whole country so mediocre to lose people and cars. As if Chechnya hadn’t taught anything. Some kind of hatred.
          2. +1
            25 November 2015 09: 51
            Mihalich17 and you are not from the crew of a downed plane? maybe we need to think better ourselves .. and stop our mouths for nothing ... ACTIVITY - you can call anything you like, only a Russian military plane shot down by Turkey is a fact ... If you are such an expert, explain the situation ... how is everything really is ..
          3. 0
            25 November 2015 10: 56
            Well, you are just fine, you have thrown your opponent to dust. What are your suggestions, Mr. Hollow / unrealistically cool special?
          4. 0
            25 November 2015 13: 07
            Quote: Mihalich17
            Bomber - this is the first!
            Brains - where necessary, and secondly!
            And thirdly - it’s better to be silent and do not engage in MISTRACTION, if you don’t understand anything in this matter!


            Plus to you. I read several topics attentively - the ears curl into the tube, the eyes come out of their sockets from the advice of "mighty military aviation minds" ...
            Neither x.re. on not understanding these things carry such nonsense and such "smart phrases".
            I have already written: why are these "powerful state-military minds" not among the leaders of the state and the Army?
            And I will answer to myself: "And Glory to God, Allah, Jehovah, Buddha ...".
            And if they had directed ...
        2. +2
          25 November 2015 08: 42
          Why turntables without cover is really strange .... ordinary Russian sloppiness. But Sushka is not a fighter, but a "beaver", and there was no cover, since ISIS has no planes to shoot it down, and there is also no air defense system, able to reach her at 6000 meters ...
          1. +4
            25 November 2015 09: 26
            Quote: major124
            Why turntables without cover is really strange .... ordinary Russian sloppiness.

            Such comments write this ordinary YOUR handshake hi
          2. +1
            25 November 2015 11: 36
            Quote: major124
            since the ISIS does not have airplanes that would bring down it, and also there are no air defense systems capable of reaching it at 6000 meters ...

            And what does that change?
            Today there is no money, but tomorrow, suppose, there is.
            Or do you also think that NATO is our "partners"?
            Have you immediately ruled out provocations?
            Or did you suddenly find that a combat operation is not a war, but an air dart?
            This is not a TV show such as "tank biathlon", this is a war, but in a war, soldiers pay with their blood for the mistakes of would-be commanders!
        3. -1
          25 November 2015 09: 34
          Attention!!!
          We have another "genius" !!! and this!!! (pause ...) "Karavan KZ" !!!! .... applause. Minus you for "genius", smart guy
          1. +1
            25 November 2015 09: 51
            Quote: Virek
            Attention!!!
            We have another "genius" !!! and this!!! (pause ...) "Karavan KZ" !!!!


            So. Either clearly explain what I'm wrong, or do not make yourself a clown.

            Quote: Virek
            Minus you for "genius", smart guy


            Hide your minus to yourself. And explain to me not far away why the bomber and 8 were without cover? And also explain why I do not have the right to blame those who used these military units in their disorder?
          2. +3
            25 November 2015 10: 43
            Quote: Virek
            Attention!!!
            We have another "genius" !!! and this!!! (pause ...) "Karavan KZ" !!!! .... applause. Minus you for "genius", smart guy

            Do not get personal - try to argue with reason! stop
            If there are no arguments, then you should not breed. Yes
          3. 0
            25 November 2015 12: 06
            Quote: Virek
            Attention!!!
            We have another "genius" !!! and this!!! (pause ...) "Karavan KZ" !!!! .... applause. Minus you for "genius", smart guy

            And this is a minus from the sword, "Clever"
            I never minus, but I can’t stand it.
            A person asked a specific question and has the right to receive a SPECIFIC answer from knowledgeable people
        4. +1
          25 November 2015 11: 27
          Quote: Karavan
          Fighter without cover. Helicopters without cover. Where are the brains? Now only the cheeks are pouted.



          In the video, if it is original, one Mi-8 and one Mi-24. And the helicopter from the ATGM was shot down. And he says: "The helicopter was destroyed by mortar fire from the territory controlled by the bandit formations."


          Why wasn’t the area around the alleged landing place for pilots handled by aviation? Where is the cover, if it is a territory controlled by militants?
          1. +1
            25 November 2015 15: 32
            Quote: The Cat
            Why wasn’t the area around the alleged landing place for pilots handled by aviation?

            Yeah .... There will be no one to process and save ... What is easier ...
        5. 0
          25 November 2015 18: 36
          Everyone imagines himself a strategist seeing the battle from the side. It's not so simple.
      2. +2
        25 November 2015 09: 04
        Quote: 79807420129
        and, bastard Erdogan there is no faith

        ----------------------
        Recep Erdogan "painted himself in the colors he painted", to use the figurative expression of the Kiev mayor. Now he is in fact an accomplice of terrorism and today I am not ashamed of expressions about him. And last night it dawned on him how he began to look in the eyes of the world community. The American partners, on whose instigation he did such stupidity, immediately distanced themselves from him, even recognized the Syrian territory ... Well, he is a fantastic dolphin, and after all, there were calls to him from terrorist attacks and colored manifestations ...
      3. +1
        25 November 2015 10: 07
        Quote: 79807420129
        Quote: avvg
        Turks alone have a headache in the Middle East

        All this, unfortunately, had to be done earlier with the start of the operation, there is no faith in the scumbag to Erdogan, the fallen children have eternal memory and glory and low bow.

        Earlier, later ...
        It was necessary to reach Lisbon in the year 1812.

        Erdogan is not, he is the leader of a large neighboring power. Today he is there, and who will be tomorrow is another question. Well, what about faith? Faith is needed only in God. Everything else is a matter of interaction.
        Lock the sky over Syria to such a mother. And shoot down even flies flying from Turkey. Indicating one or the other is obvious - they’ll immediately be asked to join the coalition.
        In general, it cannot be ruled out that Erdogan personally may not have anything to do with it. It may turn out that this incident was organized by his opponents within Turkey itself. By the way, they are in quite an army.
    2. +20
      25 November 2015 08: 22
      From Turkey, we need to recall our ambassador, like for consultations! And in Armenia, slightly increase the number of offensive weapons and conduct exercises with the transfer of one or two airborne divisions ..., bring the strike group of the Black Sea Fleet to the Bosphorus ...! The Supreme Commander will say: "We have nothing against Turkey and all these are exclusively peaceful initiatives!" Let Erdogan twitch!
      The Syrian Turkmens clearly wipe off the face of the earth. Kurds to provide all kinds of military assistance with various weapons! Increase the bomb load on the IG oil fields!
      This I understand - the answer, so the answer!
      1. +15
        25 November 2015 08: 25
        Recognize the Armenian Genocide ...
        1. +12
          25 November 2015 08: 29
          Quote: vorobey
          Recognize the Armenian Genocide ...



          And demand financial compensation so that they pay their whole lives.
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        3. +6
          25 November 2015 08: 32
          Quote: vorobey
          Recognize the Armenian Genocide ...

          Have we not recognized?
          1. +10
            25 November 2015 09: 11
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Quote: vorobey
            Recognize the Armenian Genocide ...

            Have we not recognized?

            We recognized, but acknowledged somehow bashfully, quietly - for domestic use and for Armenians. And no one is actively promoting the topic of the Armenian genocide in Turkey - as well as the Kurds and Pontic Greeks - in the international arena. But it would be necessary ... Armenians are the second most influential nation in the diaspora (unless, of course, the Chinese are counted).
            1. +1
              25 November 2015 09: 27
              Quote: andj61

              We recognized, but acknowledged somehow bashfully, quietly - for domestic use and for Armenians.

              So how should it be?
              1. +2
                25 November 2015 10: 48
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Quote: andj61

                We recognized, but acknowledged somehow bashfully, quietly - for domestic use and for Armenians.

                So how should it be?

                But we need to support Armenians openly and in all international organizations - we don’t do this, embassy workers in all countries to attend the events of the Armenian diaspora dedicated to the memory of the genocide, hold photo exhibitions on the same occasion in the best exhibition halls of the country, offer ourselves several more times to recognize the genocide Armenians, Pontic Greeks and Kurds from Turkey, to launch films on our television channels with the recollections of eyewitnesses - they are available, perhaps only need to be translated into Russian. In general, trolling the Turks in this regard is active and consistent. Until now, this has not happened: we recognized the fact of genocide, but tried to spare the feelings of the Turks and respect their position.
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                  25 November 2015 11: 10
                  Quote: andj61
                  But we need to support Armenians openly and in all international organizations - we don’t do this, embassy workers in all countries to attend the events of the Armenian diaspora dedicated to the memory of the genocide, hold photo exhibitions on the same occasion in the best exhibition halls of the country, offer ourselves several more times to recognize the genocide Armenians, Pontic Greeks and Kurds from

                  Hi Andrew.
                  Honestly, it doesn't matter. Why?
                  Yes, because. that will prove nothing to anyone.
                  And so everyone knows that the Turks carried out genocide against the Armenians.
                  Well, talk, talk. and as they say, there will be no applied value from this, except that relations with them will deteriorate even more.
                  Say - do not care. Perhaps you say Turkey will lose - the same thing is right.
                  But Russia, now in conditions of sanctions, falling oil prices and confrontation with the West, is still not enough to get not just an enemy, but a strategic enemy in the person of Turkey?
                  The Turks are not only that it can absolutely nullify all the efforts of Russia and Syria. but also complicate the provision of the Russian group. albeit not blocking but hampering shipping.
                  Turkey has the strongest army in the region, it is not the Papuan. They are really strong, they have a land border, ties with diasporas and influence in Syria.
                  Turkey is economically strong, Russia is interested in it no less than Turkey in Russia.
                  Therefore, do not rush to beat the pots.
                  You need to think how to get out of this.
                  1. +1
                    25 November 2015 12: 59
                    Quote: atalef
                    The Turks are not only that it can absolutely nullify all the efforts of Russia and Syria. but also complicate the provision of the Russian group. albeit not blocking but hampering shipping.
                    Turkey has the strongest army in the region, it is not the Papuan. They are really strong, they have a land border, ties with diasporas and influence in Syria.
                    Turkey is economically strong, Russia is interested in it no less than Turkey in Russia.
                    Therefore, do not rush to beat the pots.
                    You need to think how to get out of this.

                    If Erdogan could have nullified Russia's efforts in Syria, then he would have already done it: after all, they beat him there for the most sick - affordable.
                    To complicate shipping - maybe, but I do not believe in it! After violation of the Montreux Convention, Russia will have every right to completely block shipping in this region.
                    Turkey, of course, has the strongest army, and not only in the region, but also in NATO, if the US is not counted. It’s just that they can’t cope with Kurdish rebels even on their territory, they already hold entire cities. But Russia now can well support even the PKK, and not just the moderate ones - but I think this should be done if the PKK publicly abandons the terrorist methods of warfare.
                    But the fact that Turkey and Russia are interested in each other - this cannot be taken away!
                    Only to get out of the current situation under Erdogan, who did not even apologize formally for a downed plane that did not violate the borders of Turkey, I think is simply impossible!
              2. +1
                25 November 2015 11: 15
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                So how should it be?

                Recalling. Articles, television shows, diplomatic notes for example.
        4. +4
          25 November 2015 08: 32
          Quote: vorobey
          Recognize the Armenian Genocide ...

          So after all, it has long been recognized.
          1. +7
            25 November 2015 08: 50
            Quote: Hello
            Quote: vorobey
            Recognize the Armenian Genocide ...

            So after all, it has long been recognized.


            then call it the Holocaust ... laughing Hi hi
          2. +2
            25 November 2015 10: 00
            So it has long been recognized

            No, not recognized.
            1. 0
              25 November 2015 10: 05
              Quote: Turkir
              No, not recognized.

              In Russia? Recognized in Russia.
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              2. gjv
                +1
                25 November 2015 11: 33
                Quote: Hello
                Recognized in Russia.

                Declaration of conviction without mentioning the organizers.
                Moscow, April 14, 1995 N 694-I State Duma
                Statement by the State Duma of the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation
                "On the condemnation of the genocide of the Armenian people in 1915-1922"

                State Duma of the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation,
                Based on irrefutable historical facts testifying to the extermination of Armenians on the territory of Western Armenia in 1915-1922,
                Following the spirit and letter of the United Nations Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide (December 9, 1948) and the Convention on the Non-Applicability of Statutory Limitations to War Crimes and Crimes against Humanity (November 26, 1968),
                Striving for the revival of the humanistic traditions of the Russian state,
                Recalling that at the initiative of Russia, the great European powers back in 1915 qualified the actions of the Turkish Empire against the Armenian people as a "crime against humanity",
                Noting that the physical destruction of the fraternal Armenian people in their historical homeland was carried out in order to create conditions for the destruction of Russia,
                condemns the organizers of the extermination of Armenians in 1915-1922,
                expresses its sympathy to the Armenian people and considers April 24 as a day of remembrance for the victims of the genocide.

                But the international tribunal in 1915 recognized the facts of the Armenian genocide and condemned the organizers Talaat Pasha, Enver, Cemal, Shakir, Dr. Nazim, Bedri and Azmi for hanging.
                In view of Turkey’s new crimes against humanity and civilization, the governments of the Union States publicly declare High Port personal responsibility for these crimes of all members of the Ottoman government, as well as those of their agents who are involved in such a massacre.
                - May 24, 1915. Joint Declaration of France, Great Britain and Russia

                Today Erdogan - Turkish Hitler - develops genocide against the Kurds. The Turkish opposition should be fully supported. Erdogan must leave! Erdogan must be condemned! Mb not to hanging, but to the electric chair!
      2. +3
        25 November 2015 08: 31
        how General Yermolov acted
      3. +9
        25 November 2015 08: 37
        Our ambassador must be recalled, and their sent!
        And many other measures: from recognition of the Armenian genocide to military support for the Kurds! Hard to answer! Hard!
        1. +9
          25 November 2015 08: 48
          After we take out all the tourists and other potential hostages.
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      5. +6
        25 November 2015 08: 43
        The recall of the ambassador, this is actually a declaration of war ...
        1. +4
          25 November 2015 09: 01
          But didn’t we announce it yesterday ???
          1. -3
            25 November 2015 09: 28
            Quote: major124
            The recall of the ambassador, this is actually a declaration of war ...

            Quote: Mihalich17
            But didn’t we announce it yesterday ???

            A man has read a lot and pours out "smart" words!
      6. +2
        25 November 2015 09: 59
        Too aggressive, but essentially true!
    3. +21
      25 November 2015 08: 23
      Quote: avvg
      From the Turks, only the headache has neighbors in the Middle East.


      Bulgarians ay ... you got a chance to change your mind and turn the gas river to yourself ... you have to be round idiots not to use it ...
      1. +12
        25 November 2015 08: 32
        Quote: vorobey
        Quote: avvg
        From the Turks, only the headache has neighbors in the Middle East.


        Bulgarians ay ... you got a chance to change your mind and turn the gas river to yourself ... you have to be round idiots not to use it ...

        And they will be round idiots, lay under mattresses, now only sigh sadly.
      2. +6
        25 November 2015 08: 33
        Quote: vorobey
        Bulgarians ay ... you got a chance to change your mind and turn the gas river to yourself ... you have to be round idiots not to use it ...

        You can turn it, only recent events show that the "brothers" will still be sold ... Maybe, well, well, her in a stump, this pipe? Let Europe think ...

        By the way, a lot has been built and it is already cosmically worth it ... A neighbor's son stood all summer on a special barge in Varna, waiting for the "brothers" to mature, and since September they have been pulling their gut to Turkey. And there even the rent of this pipe-barge costs a milliard ... Of course, if the question is political, then you can give up, but it would be desirable that someone would pay for it.
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      4. +7
        25 November 2015 08: 35
        Quote: vorobey
        Quote: avvg
        From the Turks, only the headache has neighbors in the Middle East.


        Bulgarians ay ... you got a chance to change your mind and turn the gas river to yourself ... you have to be round idiots not to use it ...


        Hi Sasha, everything changes at such a speed. a ship with a pipe (which Gazprom pulls across the Black Sea) - you will not envy.
        rushing about like a dog on a leash. then to one shore. then to another.
        1. +7
          25 November 2015 09: 25
          Quote: atalef
          a ship with a pipe (which Gazprom pulls across the Black Sea) - you will not envy.
          rushing about like a dog on a leash. then to one shore. then to another.

          Is it like that monkey - then smart, then beautiful? what
          It’s necessary to finish this crap already. To build an extra LNG plant somewhere on the Yamal Peninsula with large storage facilities and several gas carrier vessels, to gasify 100% of all of its settlements plus holiday villages - there will be enough work for more than a decade!
          Greetings, Alexander! hi
        2. +2
          25 November 2015 09: 28
          Quote: atalef
          rushing about like a dog on a leash. then to one shore. then to another.

          Let it fold itself and fold the pipe.
      5. +3
        25 November 2015 08: 37
        Quote: vorobey
        Bulgarians ay ... you got a chance to change your mind and turn the gas river to yourself ...


        There is no such chance. Otherwise, GDP will be a bolabol
        1. +8
          25 November 2015 08: 54
          Quote: Karavan
          Otherwise, GDP will be a bolabol


          between a balabol and M udak .. I would choose a balabol ... especially since the initiative will not come from us now .. but such a feeling that someone will come to Moscow with a bakshish ..
      6. 0
        25 November 2015 09: 30
        Quote: vorobey
        you have to be round idiots not to use it ...

        Gotta be "round fool "to lay the pipe again to the" brothers "!!
        1. +2
          25 November 2015 10: 03
          Quote: sssla
          Quote: vorobey
          you have to be round idiots not to use it ...

          Gotta be "round fool "to lay the pipe again to the" brothers "!!



          I repeat ....
          Quote: vorobey
          but it’s such a feeling that someone will come to Moscow with a bakshish ..
  2. +8
    25 November 2015 08: 17
    First: All actions of strike aviation will be carried out only under the cover of fighter aircraft.

    Second: Measures will be taken to strengthen the air defense. To this end, the cruiser "Moscow", equipped with an air defense system "Fort", similar to the C-300, will occupy the area in the coastal part of Latakia. We warn that all the goals that pose a potential danger to us will be destroyed.



    But before this could not be done. Urgent need to do a no-fly zone.
    1. +1
      25 November 2015 10: 04
      While there were friends and allies - it is impossible.
  3. +7
    25 November 2015 08: 18
    Right!!! Turks devils! Fell everyone who looked askance !!!
  4. +6
    25 November 2015 08: 22
    Someone else wants to spend a vacation there and leave their money in this terrarium ??? ... This is a spit in our face. It is necessary to respond with a hard kick to the crotch, so that others are not discouraged.
    1. +5
      25 November 2015 08: 32
      I have long wanted to go to the Crimea and in Primorye, to the Far East.
    2. +13
      25 November 2015 08: 42
      I am 36 years old, and neither I nor my family have ever been abroad. The state does not let me in there. They say that I know too much. And nothing, alive. Russian resorts climbed up and down. I am waiting for the opening of the bridge to the Crimea. So, believe me, you can live without the Churkestan coasts, there is nothing terrible about this.
      1. +3
        25 November 2015 09: 29
        Quote: TUNISIA
        They say that I know too much.

        Now you are not only abroad, now you will not be allowed to leave your hometown. laughing
        1. +5
          25 November 2015 11: 49
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Talk a lot

          Incomparably smaller than you wink
          1. +1
            25 November 2015 11: 52
            Quote: TUNISIA
            Incomparably smaller than you

            So I know less than you tongue
            1. +4
              25 November 2015 12: 48
              Therefore speak more? winked
      2. +1
        25 November 2015 09: 33
        A bridge is not necessary at all. This summer I was in the Crimea from August 19 to September 4, I specially chose this time, drove by car and did not wait at the crossing, literally on the ferry, back and forth.
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      4. 0
        25 November 2015 10: 07
        It's all about the love of Pontus - abroad. It seems to be white and elite. wassat
    3. +2
      25 November 2015 08: 42
      The Turks apparently wanted that instead of Russian tourists, they had a rest Russian tankers)))
  5. +2
    25 November 2015 08: 23
    We relaxed in the Moscow Region since the end of September without any problems.
  6. +4
    25 November 2015 08: 24
    “Contacts with Turkey through the military line will be terminated”


    With those who shoot down our planes for the sake of their ambitions, they are meaningless.
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    2. gjv
      +1
      25 November 2015 12: 15
      Contacts with Turkey through the military line will be terminated

      Why discontinued ?! Contact the products of the Votkinsk plant with airports named after Ataturk, Balikesir, Diyarbakir, Izmir, Incirlik, Kayseri, Konya, Chigli, Chorlu, Erhach, Eskisehir. As well as contact with the seaports of Aksaz, Buyukdere, Goldzhuk, Canakkale, Erdek, Foca, Iskenderun, Karamyursel, Mersin, Sinop, Samsun. And also to contact the bases of field armies and brigades in Istanbul, Gelibolu, Chorlu, Malatya, Adana, Diyarbakir, Elazig, Erzincan, Erzurum, Ankara, Izmir, Girne.
      Contact in one gulp!
  7. +2
    25 November 2015 08: 27
    Quote: vorobey
    Bulgarians ay ... you got a chance to change your mind and turn the gas river to yourself ... you have to be round idiots not to use it ...

    Who will give them this "chance"? The United States does not sleep, and the Bulgarian government is always ready to serve the "hegemon".
  8. +15
    25 November 2015 08: 27
    The Turks set a dangerous precedent. Now, on the basis of the US and NATO justifying statements addressed to Turkey, the Syrians have their hands untied on the use of air defense against the illegal coalition of the US-led bombing peaceful Syrian cities.
  9. +6
    25 November 2015 08: 31
    "We warn you that all targets that pose a potential danger to us will be destroyed."
    And it was not worth immediately adhering to this principle. In truth, until a thunder strikes a man crosses himself, the Turks must be punished in any case both economically and politically and physically, but our vaunted general staff must also suffer losses from those who planned to fly to the border without covering what should fly with a wolf ticket. am
  10. gop
    -1
    25 November 2015 08: 37
    the Turks will punish the Turkish pilot and it's all about the hat
    1. +2
      25 November 2015 08: 40
      He must be demanded to be extradited to Russia as a war criminal!
  11. +13
    25 November 2015 08: 43
    The suspicious efficiency of the "world media" ... In the photo there are murderous people who killed the pilot ...
  12. +5
    25 November 2015 08: 43
    To speak at a global level is a very tough statement. After all, there were no footnotes about the territorial or national affiliation of the threat. Everyone should be destroyed - at least the Turks, at least the Merikos and it does not matter in whose territory.
  13. +3
    25 November 2015 08: 44
    "Third: Military contacts with Turkey will be terminated" "- is that all ?! Thought about more
    1. +3
      25 November 2015 08: 57
      No need to run ahead of the engine. It is clear that they will crush in every way, especially cruelly and cynically until the last Erdogan screech.
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  14. Sly
    +2
    25 November 2015 08: 45
    I now think that this is a provocation, but not of Turkey, but of mattress covers. They just bought a pilot, thereby substituting Turkey. Unfortunately, the truth is unlikely that we will ever find out.
  15. +7
    25 November 2015 08: 49
    I looked at photos that show how these
    from the "moderate opposition" mocked the body of the deceased Russian pilot. There is no limit to indignation and hatred! This must be answered! All these people must be found and destroyed. Burn them from the air, from the sea, or using the "Sunshine", no matter how. But this must be done. And then show the result of retaliation. These creatures only understand this language.
    1. +2
      25 November 2015 08: 58
      Quote: demotivator
      All these people must be found and destroyed. Burn them from the air, from the sea, or using the "Sunshine", no matter how. But this must be done. And then show the result of retaliation. These creatures only understand this language.

      ---------------------
      Yes, all this "peaceful Turkoman starving" village to Allah ...
  16. +5
    25 November 2015 08: 50
    "We warn you that all targets that pose a potential danger to us will be destroyed." hammer everything that moves and does not move! An eye for an eye...
  17. +2
    25 November 2015 08: 52
    it’s good that they began to show normal military channels on television, rather than smearing
  18. +1
    25 November 2015 08: 55
    Erdogan fighter will fly, it will fly ...
    1. 0
      25 November 2015 10: 08
      Quote: VadimSh
      Erdogan fighter will fly, it will fly ...

      --------------------
      Abrek, he is Anatolian ...
  19. +3
    25 November 2015 08: 57
    The generals relaxed! At the beginning of the operation in Syria, the bombards always went with a fighter. Why, this time, knowing about the problem on November 20, the SU-24 returned without cover? It was, on November 20, the Ottomans screamed about the violation of Turkish airspace. The current event, was a consequence of the Russian "maybe", and the rescue operation, with the help of the weakly protected MI-8, in general, is beyond bungling!
  20. +1
    25 November 2015 08: 58
    What happened has already happened. Alas.
    Now we are waiting for a reaction and response.
  21. -3
    25 November 2015 08: 59
    In short, we wiped them off, but we scowl menacingly and say that "if they once again ... we will show them."
    1. 0
      25 November 2015 09: 03
      The Ukrainians who "attacked" and blocked the Black Sea Fleet facilities in the Crimea during the years of non-seizure also thought so ...
      Then suddenly ...
      1. +1
        25 November 2015 09: 12
        What will Ukrainians answer in 25 years?
  22. -1
    25 November 2015 09: 00
    The Turks were not counted - fact! No special answer is to be expected - no one is interested in escalation, and economically, they won’t come out with a special answer, a double-edged sword. That the USA has nothing to do with it is unbelievable! In fact, this is their response to diplomatic success - the creation of several problems at once with a minimum of costs on their part am
    1. 0
      25 November 2015 09: 04
      No special response should be expected - no one is interested in escalation


      Such things Komrad not immediately done, wait a bit.
      1. 0
        25 November 2015 09: 17
        If you wait a long time, then planes with pilots can end.
  23. 0
    25 November 2015 09: 02
    The answer to the attack should be tough! Already, we need to establish contact with the Kurds
    and with the next Turkish Air Force raid on their positions, help the Kurds to destroy
    aggressor.
  24. +2
    25 November 2015 09: 02
    I agree, relaxed ... forgot where they are ??? it’s clear that the pilots don’t live if they don’t fall into the hands of the Syrian army ... there are plenty of freaks and all on one face, you won’t understand who is where ... Now we’ll excuse rocket horseradish in front of the Turkish nose? Wouldn’t it be a sin ... The guys are sorry ... they died stupidly and for nothing ... Eternal memory ...
  25. +4
    25 November 2015 09: 09
    Quote: Karavan
    In order to evacuate Russian pilots from the landing site, a search and rescue operation was carried out with the involvement of two Mi-8 helicopters. During the operation, one of the helicopters as a result of fire from small arms was damaged and made an emergency landing in neutral territory. One contract Marine died.

    Fighter without cover. Helicopters without cover. Where are the brains? Now only the cheeks are pouted.


    but I DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHY FOR YOU ARE MINUTES !!!!!!!!!! ???????????????
    it’s actually a FAILURE rescue operation! This is what idiots you need to be in order to organize what happened !! Where are our crocodiles ????? Where is the cover of the SU-25 attack aircraft? just another gouging commanders !!!!!!!!!!
  26. 0
    25 November 2015 09: 10
    I liked the general, did not wag! His inner indignation and genuine anger were felt.
    In general, it may be time to forget, incessantly for and without reason, to use words like "our friends", "our partners". Well, I have never heard such words from the West, "brothers" who are closer in spirit and territories, sometimes climb into the bottle. What is yesterday's, private, but fair reproach against Lukashenka and the entire CSTO - on one of the central channels. Maybe it's time to start saying "our interests" and "our requirements"?
  27. 3vs
    +2
    25 November 2015 09: 15
    Then the comrades from Israel correctly said that their bombers do not fly on a mission without covering fighters!
    It’s time to learn it!
    Free hunting can get expensive.
    And where are the praised REP facilities on our helicopters !?
    But this is a real war ...

    The pipe must be pulled under the Bosphorus, but this is a matter of the future ...
    When Constantinople returns to the Greeks, there will be another conversation.
  28. +5
    25 November 2015 09: 27
    Well, the thunder struck. We crossed ourselves. And now let’s calmly and without emotions of these jackals to circle around. There was no happiness, but misfortune helped. Declare a no-fly zone over Syria. If, by law, only we can be in the air and the Syrians. To warn officially! And to shoot down! This is the territory of a sovereign state. And we are the only ones flying on the legal rights. We are cleaning up the Turkoman. These are terrorists. As far as I understand, this is the district corridor for supplying the Alepo area. It’s closed tightly before the snow. Well, it’s probably time let go of the infantry of Ramzan there. The mountain terrain is familiar to the Chechens. Familiar groups (immigrants from the Caucasus).
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  30. 0
    25 November 2015 09: 58
    It is our fault that we did not gain a foothold in Syria. Aircraft without cover, shoot helicopters. They did everything for Turkey to shoot.
  31. +2
    25 November 2015 10: 02
    Hysteria ... We have a monument in Vladik ... a drum roll ... to the downed IL-12 of the USSR. 1953 In response, the Union failed their B-50 in a couple of days. Allegedly, in our space. Well there is an alley of twinks, but it’s parallel. And nothing fatal. In the 1960s, Americans fired on ships flying the USSR flag. Freight! In Vietnam, of course. And no snowstorm.

    So ... politics separately, local hysteria (ah-ah, dolby ottoman!) Separately.

    With the Turkoman, you can crank up the damian version. Assad will not refuse to destroy the MLRS a couple of days.
  32. 0
    25 November 2015 10: 04
    One contract Marine died.
    i.e., already to the Turks, the bill for our two dead soldiers should be presented
  33. 0
    25 November 2015 10: 06
    We warn that all targets that pose a potential danger to us will be destroyed.
    This is the key phrase of the whole speech. I really want to hope that this is how it will be. And I would also like to believe that preparations are already underway for the total destruction of everything in the territories through which the traffic of stolen Syrian oil and "moderate cannibals" goes to Turkey and back.
  34. -1
    25 November 2015 10: 08
    Quote: mik0588
    The Turks were not counted - fact! No special answer is to be expected - no one is interested in escalation, and economically, they won’t come out with a special answer, a double-edged sword. That the USA has nothing to do with it is unbelievable! In fact, this is their response to diplomatic success - the creation of several problems at once with a minimum of costs on their part am

    Economically, it’s easy for them to answer: we close the health resort with them, and this is 12% of the total flow in monetary terms 3 billion baksoa, close the tangerine-fruit front, and here it’s more. Well, gas and other delights.
    Along the way, we close the oil counterfeit business - and that’s all
  35. -2
    25 November 2015 10: 16
    Stalin gave in the 18g of the last century, gave land with Mount Ararat should be taken back !!!
  36. 0
    25 November 2015 11: 04
    Quote: Gop
    the Turks will punish the Turkish pilot and it's all about the hat


    Well, you will most likely be awarded. Before launching a rocket, there was clearly a request for land and there was clearly good from the ground to attack. And the answer will be clear, only it will not be a downed fighter or a sunken boat, but most likely a step in economic terms or in terms military cooperation. Leverage is enough, there would be a desire.
  37. 0
    25 November 2015 11: 13
    The Turkish military attache in the Russian Federation declared a strong protest against the actions of the Turkish Air Force, which led to the loss of our aircraft.

    The protest is still decisive. Like women, (here is a strong word).
  38. 0
    25 November 2015 11: 40
    The initiative in Syria is on the side of Russia. The hegemony of the dollar is nearing completion - financial control over the world will be lost. The stakes are higher than ever. Therefore, the only purpose of this provocation is to force Russia to respond to Turkey with military means. Erdogan was asked "very well" about this provocation. He himself would not have done this. finished, but not stupid person. The classic fork - we answer the Turks, the USA and NATO get a wide field for political maneuver (an attack on a NATO member, blocking straits, etc. with all that it implies, right up to the beginning of the war in Europe - the wet dream of the "USA"), we don't answer - the authorities are losing their authority with the people. A military response in this case is what our enemy is seeking. So is it worth playing by his rules? Such is the shitty alignment - I do not envy our president. It remains to put pressure on Turkey economically, and to make a "lunar" landscape along the Syrian-Turkish border - there are opportunities for this. And to fight with all this "historical" trash - we really are not yet ready, only "vigorous loaf" remains. But this is the end for everyone ...
  39. 0
    25 November 2015 12: 15
    Quote: Karavan
    Quote: Temples
    No need to drive a wave of command.


    Who sent the turntables without cover, Pushkin?

    Like Pushkin!
  40. +1
    25 November 2015 12: 27
    What do people argue about cover? - I do not know. The experience of Chechnya, of that. So what? Shouldn't they die in war? Yes, there are simple things like twice two, but they can slip out of sight. How many wars were there? And how much experience? And what, in modern wars, people do not die? They have the same - a lot of experience. There should be no errors. But what if the 24s that we got attached to were already on a mission? What if, some of them have already been disabled? But you never know the reasons? Do you think NATO is not wrong? This is the human factor, which is and will be. We do not have so many forces in Syria to ensure security in all directions. In Afghanistan - remember how many soldiers, equipment, aircraft were. The count of people went to tens of thousands, equipment to tens of thousands, aviation to hundreds. And then what?
  41. 0
    25 November 2015 14: 12
    Contacts will interrupt this is understandable. What else will happen? I would like specifics. It is clear that right now no one will lay out and publish a clear plan, but still ...
  42. 0
    25 November 2015 17: 08
    I watched a video that the helicopter was thrown from the ATGM "TOW" when it was already on the ground.
    Nobody in NATO, except the United States, will be cut off for the Turks in this incident. No one in Europe needs a war with Russia, a nuclear power. There is too much at stake. Everyone understands who is doing what in Syria:
    Russians are fighting;
    Turks stuff their pockets and solve their internal political issues with the Kurds;
    USA-add fuel to the fire of war and chaos ...
    After a series of terrorist attacks, France won’t even think about saying a word of support to Turkey, only condemning actions.
    No one will hear the squeak of the Baltic MEMBERS of NATO in support of the Turks.

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