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General Rudskoy: “Military contacts with Turkey will be stopped”

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Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation published on his website a statement by the Chief of the Main Operations Directorate of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, Lieutenant General Sergei Rudsky, on the fact of the provocative actions of the Turkish Air Force.


General Rudskoy: “Military contacts with Turkey will be stopped”


“Today (November 24) in 10.24 Moscow time. while performing a combat departure over the territory of the Syrian Arab Republic, the F-16 Turkish Air Force fighter was shot down by a Su-24M front bomber of the Russian HQs. Presumably the defeat was inflicted by a short-range rocket with a thermal homing head.

There were no attempts by the Turkish aircraft to contact or establish visual contact with our crew by means of objective monitoring.

A rocket hit a Su-24M aircraft over Syria. The crash site is located on Syrian territory four kilometers from the border. The crew of the aircraft ejected. According to preliminary data, one pilot was killed in the air by fire from the ground.

According to the exact data of objective control, our plane did not cross the border with Turkey.

This is also confirmed by the data of the Syrian air defense.

Moreover, according to the radar intelligence of Hmeimim airfield, the fact of violation of the airspace of Syria by the attacking aircraft of the Turkish Air Force was noted.

This fact is regarded as a gross violation of international law with the most serious consequences and a direct violation of the Memorandum on the prevention of incidents and ensuring flight safety in the Syrian Arab Republic, concluded with the United States and extending to all countries of the coalition, including Turkey.

Apparently, therefore, Turkey began emergency consultations with NATO, instead of urgently entering into contact with the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation.

The Turkish military attache in the Russian Federation declared a strong protest against the actions of the Turkish Air Force, which led to the loss of our aircraft.

It should be noted that from the very beginning of the operation we established a direct telephone line between the National Center for Defense Management of the Russian Federation and the Ministry of Defense of Turkey, but it did not bring any practical benefit from the fault of the Turkish side.

In order to evacuate Russian pilots from the landing site, a search and rescue operation was conducted involving two Mi-8 helicopters. During the operation, one of the helicopters as a result of small-arms fire weapons received damage and made a forced landing on neutral territory. One marine contract soldier died.

The actions of the search and rescue team and the helicopter crew were evacuated and are currently on aviation base "Hmeimim". The helicopter was destroyed from the territory controlled by gangs with mortar fire.

The search and rescue operation of the crew of the downed Russian bomber continues.

I want to emphasize that in the area of ​​operations of the Russian aviation, an operation of Syrian government troops is being conducted to destroy gangs in which, according to our data, more than 1000 militants from the North Caucasus are concentrated.

I draw your attention to the fact that none of our partners and the countries leading the fighting against ISIS have ever said that there are units of the so-called “moderate opposition” in this area and that they do not recommend striking the area. On the contrary, these areas are known as territories controlled by the most radical gangs.

The General Staff is currently working on additional measures to ensure the security of the Russian aviation base.

First: All actions of strike aviation will be carried out only under the cover of fighter aircraft.

Second: Measures will be taken to strengthen the air defense. To this end, the cruiser "Moscow", equipped with an air defense system "Fort", similar to the C-300, will occupy the area in the coastal part of Latakia. We warn that all the goals that pose a potential danger to us will be destroyed.

Third: Military contacts with Turkey will be terminated. ”


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    1. 79807420129
      79807420129 25 November 2015 08: 20 New
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      Quote: avvg
      Turks alone have a headache in the Middle East

      All this, unfortunately, had to be done earlier with the start of the operation, there is no faith in the scumbag to Erdogan, the fallen children have eternal memory and glory and low bow.
      1. Trailer
        Trailer 25 November 2015 08: 27 New
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        In order to evacuate Russian pilots from the landing site, a search and rescue operation was carried out with the involvement of two Mi-8 helicopters. During the operation, one of the helicopters as a result of fire from small arms was damaged and made an emergency landing in neutral territory. One contract Marine died.

        Fighter without cover. Helicopters without cover. Where are the brains? Now only the cheeks are pouted.
        1. Mihalich17
          Mihalich17 25 November 2015 08: 35 New
          +8
          Bomber - this is the first!
          Brains - where necessary, and secondly!
          And thirdly - it’s better to be silent and do not engage in MISTRACTION, if you don’t understand anything in this matter!
          1. Trailer
            Trailer 25 November 2015 08: 44 New
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            Quote: Mihalich17
            it’s better to keep quiet and don’t engage in MURDERING, if you don’t understand anything in this matter!


            It’s you who don’t confuse me with Ukrainians to shut up their mouths in case of disagreement.

            Quote: Mihalich17
            Brains - where necessary, and secondly!


            And it should be first. “Better to overtake” - this principle must already be learned from Chechnya.

            Quote: Mihalich17
            Bomber - this is the first!


            It does not affect the essence of a dubious organization. Climb into the area near the border knowing that there are clouds of militants, and without cover (this is me about the search). There would be your opinion to know.
            1. Temples
              Temples 25 November 2015 08: 50 New
              14
              Wise after the event.
              There is such a Russian proverb.
              Now many are trying on a race for themselves.
              There is a war in Syria, and the Turks sided with the terrorists.
              Another day ago there was a different situation.
              No need to drive a wave of command.
              1. Trailer
                Trailer 25 November 2015 08: 56 New
                +4
                Quote: Temples
                No need to drive a wave of command.


                Who sent the turntables without cover, Pushkin?
                1. Temples
                  Temples 25 November 2015 09: 05 New
                  +4
                  What kind of cover?
                  When you yell about cover, you say it specifically.
                  Do not just be smart and name the actions.
                  Name the entire list of actions, if you know.
                  What to do so that no bullet gets into a helicopter flying at a height of 10 meters above the ground with a group of marines on board.
                  And then screaming all over.
                  Maybe you are just missing there.
                  Share your knowledge.
                  1. _Vladislav_
                    _Vladislav_ 25 November 2015 10: 01 New
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                    Quote: Karavan
                    Fighter without cover. Helicopters without cover. Where are the brains? Now only cheeks are pouted

                    Well, for that matter, then you need to start with the root cause:
                    Attacked a plane of a nuclear power. Where are the brains? And now only cheeks have been puffed out and crap in bulk.
                2. Riv
                  Riv 25 November 2015 09: 12 New
                  +5
                  It is clear that a man in military affairs does not understand nichrome and has never flown in a helicopter.
                  How to cover MI-8 in such a situation? Jet fighters? So the difference in speed at times. Once flew in, covered, then fifteen minutes again to look for turntables. And in order for the pilot himself to find the goal on earth, he must be a wizard. Combat helicopter? He is just as vulnerable to fire from the earth. The only protection here is terrain, speed and a machine gun as a last resort. Ours did everything right, losses are minimal. The fact that the helicopter was shot down at all is a matter of chance and a large-caliber machine gun found in the spirits under the arms.
                  Americans in exactly the same situations in Vietnam lost a helicopter after a helicopter and did not complain.
                  1. Trailer
                    Trailer 25 November 2015 09: 42 New
                    +4
                    Quote: Riv
                    How to cover MI-8 in such a situation?


                    24 why the hell in Syria arrived? and in terms of a bomber - why the heck did fighters come to Syria?

                    Quote: Riv
                    Americans in exactly the same situations in Vietnam lost a helicopter after a helicopter and did not complain


                    Do you understand what you wrote? About the conflict of 50 years ago. For 50 years of mind has not increased?
                  2. Sling cutter
                    Sling cutter 25 November 2015 10: 05 New
                    +4
                    Quote: Riv
                    How to cover MI-8 in such a situation? Jet fighters?

                    And you forgot why, in fact, the helicopter flew?
                    This is a search-and-rescue operation, the root cause of which was our bomber knocked down at point-blank range, like the cover of the bombers was discussed!
                    Why are you distorting?
                    Quote: Riv
                    Americans in exactly the same situations in Vietnam lost a helicopter after a helicopter and did not complain.

                    You want to say that it is not necessary to draw conclusions from this? fool
                    1. Trailer
                      Trailer 25 November 2015 10: 19 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Stroporez
                      And you forgot why, in fact, the helicopter flew?


                      Tired of repeating the question. Why did he fly without combat cover 24-ki?
                  3. Maksus
                    Maksus 25 November 2015 10: 58 New
                    +1
                    MI-8 must be covered with an attack helicopter, and if you did not want to send MI-28 / Ka-52 to Syria, then the crocodile will do.
                    1. NEXUS
                      NEXUS 25 November 2015 11: 16 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Maksus
                      MI-8 must be covered with an attack helicopter, and if you did not want to send MI-28 / Ka-52 to Syria, then the crocodile will do.

                      To begin with, the SU-24 had to be covered with a pair of SU-30, so as not to send the search group to MI-8 then. The rescue group, by definition, works at low and ultra low altitudes, which means it is vulnerable to almost everything, starting from Kalash , and ending with MANPADS ... it could have been worse and both MI-8s would not have returned to the base.
                      1. Dangerous
                        Dangerous 25 November 2015 11: 38 New
                        0
                        Our flights there are more than 50 sorties per day, and of the fighters only 4 Su-30 and 4 Su-27. How are you going to accompany each fighter with two fighters ??
                      2. Riv
                        Riv 25 November 2015 12: 47 New
                        +4
                        It's not even that there are few fighters. They are enough to hold the sky over Syria. But not over Turkey. F-16 fired from its territory and did not risk anything. If there were at least twenty cover planes there, they would not have done anything. Shoot down a NATO plane over their native territory is a war. You can recall the ambassador without waiting for him to be handed a note.
                        A military transport helicopter is useless to cover in such situations. Just the targets will not be one, but two. Landing can be covered by attack helicopters, but this is again a way of protection by increasing the number of targets.
                        And moreover, no one will send a dozen cars to save one person.
                        Hamsters are touched by their spontaneity.
                      3. NEXUS
                        NEXUS 25 November 2015 15: 10 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Dangerous
                        Our flights there are more than 50 sorties per day, and of the fighters only 4 Su-30 and 4 Su-27. How are you going to accompany each fighter with two fighters ??

                        That's why I said that the fighter component had to be increased from the moment Erdogan started talking about the fact that he would bring down our planes.
                    2. Maksus
                      Maksus 25 November 2015 14: 41 New
                      0

                      So I only spoke about helicopters. From MANPADS should be traps, devices to reduce the temperature of the exhaust - "ears" on a crocodile.
                    3. Riv
                      Riv 25 November 2015 14: 44 New
                      -1
                      Sorry moa ... And how will a heat trap help from a large-caliber bullet? It also highlights at night.
                    4. Riv
                      Riv 25 November 2015 14: 44 New
                      0
                      Sorry moa ... And how will a heat trap help from a large-caliber bullet? It also highlights at night.
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            3. oleq197429
              oleq197429 25 November 2015 13: 12 New
              +1
              probably mi-24 were on a mission their limited number
          2. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 25 November 2015 09: 22 New
            +9
            Quote: Temples
            Another day ago there was a different situation.
            No need to drive a wave of command.

            At least you think what you say! fool
            I remind you that at first our drone was shot!
            But this fact was ignored by the command in terms of protection for its front-line aviation.
            This is war, my dear, and the war of gouging does not forgive.
            What wave are you talking about?
            Two downed aircraft of the Russian Aerospace Forces, is this a wave?
            Our soldiers who died for the distant lands, is this a wave?
            Under the USSR, for such an operation planning someone would have lost at best a pursuit, and a worse life
            1. Temples
              Temples 25 November 2015 09: 30 New
              +1
              I'll repeat:
              Turks sided with the terrorists.
              Another day ago there was a different situation.
              No need to drive a wave of command.


              And add your words
              This is war, darling ...


              And our skirmishes here unfortunately will not save our fighters there.

              And, I think before I say it. hi
              1. Sling cutter
                Sling cutter 25 November 2015 09: 55 New
                +8
                Quote: Temples
                I'll repeat:
                Turks sided with the terrorists.
                Another day ago there was a different situation.

                You repeat garbage !!!
                I remind you that during the Chechen war, Turkey became an almost rear base for the Separatists! It was in Turkey that the bloody Chechen criminals recovered and were treated ...
                Well, what did you remember?
                Once again, I remind you of the recently shot down drone!
                Is this, in your opinion, an act of goodwill?
                Quote: Temples
                Name the entire list of actions, if you know.

                Close the border with the Turks is quite possible a couple of fighters if sho.
                I am absolutely convinced that many unfortunate generals should be punished for negligence in ensuring flight safety of front-line aviation.
                1. NEXUS
                  NEXUS 25 November 2015 10: 24 New
                  +5
                  Quote: Stroporez
                  Close the border with the Turks is quite possible a couple of fighters if sho.
                  I am absolutely convinced that many unfortunate generals should be punished for negligence in ensuring flight safety of front-line aviation.

                  Greetings, friend drinks In the first chapter, we should bring all our tourists and the diplomatic mission outside Turkey. This will untie our hands. I’m sure that the Black Sea Fleet and the Crimean group are already in combat. After listening to Satanovsky, I came to similar conclusions with him and I think that a military response certainly will be (coupled with diplomatic, economic and political).
                  I have said more than once that the VKS group needs to be strengthened. Perhaps the 30th and 35th will be pulled up. I won’t be surprised if the MIG-31 appears near the Turkish border.
                  In general, you have to wait a bit, and not "with a saber to the naked", as many people present suggest, to hurry. It is necessary to punish, but to do it thoughtfully and carefully. The steps should be accurate and verified. We must not forget that Turkey is a NATO member, but at the same time, to leave unpunished everything that happened is absolutely impossible.
                  Sincerely. hi
                  1. Sling cutter
                    Sling cutter 25 November 2015 10: 42 New
                    +2
                    Hi! drinks
                    Quote: NEXUS
                    It is necessary to punish, but to do it thoughtfully and carefully. The steps must be accurate and verified.

                    It is very disturbing that, just nobody is ceremony with us ...
                  2. NEXUS
                    NEXUS 25 November 2015 11: 12 New
                    +4
                    Quote: Stroporez
                    It is very disturbing that, just nobody is ceremony with us ...

                    Because we relaxed. At the moment Erdogan began declaring that he would bring down our planes, it was necessary to strengthen the group of the airborne forces in Syria with fighters to cover the bombers, as well as stop issuing visas to Turkey, taking out those who left there earlier. Erdogan’s statement was ALREADY an act of aggression, and we ignored him, hoping that we would not be touched under the flag of good and justice. And we paid for our carelessness.
          3. TVM - 75
            TVM - 75 25 November 2015 09: 57 New
            0
            You don’t know history well — in the USSR.
      2. TVM - 75
        TVM - 75 25 November 2015 09: 54 New
        0
        If I were as smart as my wife later. hi
      3. enginegr
        enginegr 25 November 2015 10: 43 New
        +4
        All right. And the plane should have been under cover, and the ground operation should have a good cover. Not fly over their own country. Our generals dizzy from success. What are we for the General Staff, if they cannot plan ahead? God forbid, the war begins, so they will also not plan ahead, but only respond to the circumstances? Shame for the command and the whole country so mediocre to lose people and cars. As if Chechnya hadn’t taught anything. Some kind of hatred.
    2. nik1321
      nik1321 25 November 2015 09: 51 New
      +1
      Mihalich17 and you are not from the crew of a downed plane? maybe we need to think better ourselves .. and stop our mouths for nothing ... ACTIVITY - you can call anything you like, only a Russian military plane shot down by Turkey is a fact ... If you are such an expert, explain the situation ... how is everything really is ..
    3. Maksus
      Maksus 25 November 2015 10: 56 New
      0
      Well, you are just fine, you have thrown your opponent to dust. What are your suggestions, Mr. Hollow / unrealistically cool special?
    4. Mik-51
      Mik-51 25 November 2015 13: 07 New
      0
      Quote: Mihalich17
      Bomber - this is the first!
      Brains - where necessary, and secondly!
      And thirdly - it’s better to be silent and do not engage in MISTRACTION, if you don’t understand anything in this matter!


      Plus to you. I carefully read several topics - ears are twisted, eyes out of their sockets come out of the advice of "mighty military aircraft minds" ...
      Neither x.re.na without understanding in these things carry such nonsense and such "smart phrases".
      Already wrote: why are these “powerful state-military minds” not among the leaders of the state and the Army?
      I will answer myself: "And Glory be to God, Allah, Jehovah, Buddha ...".
      And if they had directed ...
  2. major124
    major124 25 November 2015 08: 42 New
    +2
    Why the turntables without cover is really strange .... ordinary Russian sloppiness. But Drying was not a fighter, but a beaver, and without cover there was, because the ISIS did not have airplanes to shoot down it, nor did it have air defense means, able to get it at 6000 meters ...
    1. sssla
      sssla 25 November 2015 09: 26 New
      +4
      Quote: major124
      Why turntables without cover is really strange .... ordinary Russian sloppiness.

      Such comments write this ordinary YOUR handshake hi
    2. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 25 November 2015 11: 36 New
      +1
      Quote: major124
      since the ISIS does not have airplanes that would bring down it, and also there are no air defense systems capable of reaching it at 6000 meters ...

      And what does that change?
      Today there is no money, but tomorrow, suppose, there is.
      Or do you also think that NATO is our "partner"?
      Have you immediately ruled out provocations?
      Or did you suddenly find that a combat operation is not a war, but an air dart?
      This is not a TV show like "tank biathlon", this is a war, but in a war, soldiers pay the price for the mistakes of unfortunate commanders!
  3. Virek
    Virek 25 November 2015 09: 34 New
    -1
    Attention!!!
    We have another "genius" !!! and this!!! (pause ...) "Karavan KZ" !!!! .... applause. Less to you for "genius", wise guy
    1. Trailer
      Trailer 25 November 2015 09: 51 New
      +1
      Quote: Virek
      Attention!!!
      We have another "genius" !!! and this!!! (pause ...) "Karavan KZ" !!!!


      So. Either clearly explain what I'm wrong, or do not make yourself a clown.

      Quote: Virek
      Less to you for "genius", wise guy


      Hide your minus to yourself. And explain to me not far away why the bomber and 8 were without cover? And also explain why I do not have the right to blame those who used these military units in their disorder?
    2. andj61
      andj61 25 November 2015 10: 43 New
      +3
      Quote: Virek
      Attention!!!
      We have another "genius" !!! and this!!! (pause ...) "Karavan KZ" !!!! .... applause. Less to you for "genius", wise guy

      Do not get personal - try to argue with reason! stop
      If there are no arguments, then you should not breed. yes
    3. Kuzyakin15
      Kuzyakin15 25 November 2015 12: 06 New
      0
      Quote: Virek
      Attention!!!
      We have another "genius" !!! and this!!! (pause ...) "Karavan KZ" !!!! .... applause. Less to you for "genius", wise guy

      And this is a minus from the sword ,, Clever "
      I never minus, but I can’t stand it.
      A person asked a specific question and has the right to receive a SPECIFIC answer from knowledgeable people
  4. Ze Kot
    Ze Kot 25 November 2015 11: 27 New
    +1
    Quote: Karavan
    Fighter without cover. Helicopters without cover. Where are the brains? Now only the cheeks are pouted.



    In the video, if it is original, one Mi-8 and one Mi-24. And the helicopter from ATGM crashed. And he says: "From the territory controlled by the gangs, the helicopter was destroyed by mortar fire."


    Why wasn’t the area around the alleged landing place for pilots handled by aviation? Where is the cover, if it is a territory controlled by militants?
    1. sniper
      sniper 25 November 2015 15: 32 New
      +1
      Quote: The Cat
      Why wasn’t the area around the alleged landing place for pilots handled by aviation?

      Yeah .... There will be no one to process and save ... What is easier ...
  5. gergi
    gergi 25 November 2015 18: 36 New
    0
    Everyone imagines himself a strategist seeing the battle from the side. It's not so simple.
  • Altona
    Altona 25 November 2015 09: 04 New
    +2
    Quote: 79807420129
    and, bastard Erdogan there is no faith

    ----------------------
    Recep Erdogan "painted himself in those colors in which he painted", if you use the figurative expression of the Kiev mayor. Now he is actually an accomplice of terrorism and today I am not shy in expressions on his account. And last night it dawned on him how he began to look in the eyes of the world community. The American partners, on whose instigation he did such a stupid thing, immediately distanced themselves from him, even recognized Syrian territory ... Well, he’s a fantastic bumbler, and there were calls to him with terrorist attacks and colorful demonstrations ...
  • Shuttle
    Shuttle 25 November 2015 10: 07 New
    +1
    Quote: 79807420129
    Quote: avvg
    Turks alone have a headache in the Middle East

    All this, unfortunately, had to be done earlier with the start of the operation, there is no faith in the scumbag to Erdogan, the fallen children have eternal memory and glory and low bow.

    Earlier, later ...
    It was necessary to reach Lisbon in the year 1812.

    Erdogan is not, he is the leader of a large neighboring power. Today he is there, and who will be tomorrow is another question. Well, what about faith? Faith is needed only in God. Everything else is a matter of interaction.
    Lock the sky over Syria to such a mother. And shoot down even flies flying from Turkey. Indicating one or the other is obvious - they’ll immediately be asked to join the coalition.
    In general, it cannot be ruled out that Erdogan personally may not have anything to do with it. It may turn out that this incident was organized by his opponents within Turkey itself. By the way, they are in quite an army.
  • Finches
    Finches 25 November 2015 08: 22 New
    20
    Our ambassador needs to be recalled from Turkey, such as for consultations! And in Armenia, slightly increase the number of offensive arms and conduct exercises with the transfer of one or two airborne divisions ..., bring the Black Sea Fleet strike force to the Bosphorus ...! The Supreme will say: "We have nothing against Turkey and all these are exclusively peaceful initiatives!" Let Erdogan twitch!
    The Syrian Turkmens clearly wipe off the face of the earth. Kurds to provide all kinds of military assistance with various weapons! Increase the bomb load on the IG oil fields!
    This I understand - the answer, so the answer!
    1. vorobey
      vorobey 25 November 2015 08: 25 New
      15
      Recognize the Armenian Genocide ...
      1. cniza
        cniza 25 November 2015 08: 29 New
        12
        Quote: vorobey
        Recognize the Armenian Genocide ...



        And demand financial compensation so that they pay their whole lives.
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      3. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 25 November 2015 08: 32 New
        +6
        Quote: vorobey
        Recognize the Armenian Genocide ...

        Have we not recognized?
        1. andj61
          andj61 25 November 2015 09: 11 New
          10
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Quote: vorobey
          Recognize the Armenian Genocide ...

          Have we not recognized?

          We recognized, but acknowledged somehow bashfully, quietly - for domestic use and for Armenians. And no one is actively promoting the topic of the Armenian genocide in Turkey - as well as the Kurds and Pontic Greeks - in the international arena. But it would be necessary ... Armenians are the second most influential nation in the diaspora (unless, of course, the Chinese are counted).
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 25 November 2015 09: 27 New
            +1
            Quote: andj61

            We recognized, but acknowledged somehow bashfully, quietly - for domestic use and for Armenians.

            So how should it be?
            1. andj61
              andj61 25 November 2015 10: 48 New
              +2
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Quote: andj61

              We recognized, but acknowledged somehow bashfully, quietly - for domestic use and for Armenians.

              So how should it be?

              But we need to support Armenians openly and in all international organizations - we don’t do this, embassy workers in all countries to attend the events of the Armenian diaspora dedicated to the memory of the genocide, hold photo exhibitions on the same occasion in the best exhibition halls of the country, offer ourselves several more times to recognize the genocide Armenians, Pontic Greeks and Kurds from Turkey, to launch films on our television channels with the recollections of eyewitnesses - they are available, perhaps only need to be translated into Russian. In general, trolling the Turks in this regard is active and consistent. Until now, this has not happened: we recognized the fact of genocide, but tried to spare the feelings of the Turks and respect their position.
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              2. atalef
                atalef 25 November 2015 11: 10 New
                0
                Quote: andj61
                But we need to support Armenians openly and in all international organizations - we don’t do this, embassy workers in all countries to attend the events of the Armenian diaspora dedicated to the memory of the genocide, hold photo exhibitions on the same occasion in the best exhibition halls of the country, offer ourselves several more times to recognize the genocide Armenians, Pontic Greeks and Kurds from

                Hi Andrew.
                Honestly, it doesn't matter. Why?
                Yes, because. that will prove nothing to anyone.
                And so everyone knows that the Turks carried out genocide against the Armenians.
                Well, talk, talk. and as they say, there will be no applied value from this, except that relations with them will deteriorate even more.
                Say - do not care. Perhaps you say Turkey will lose - the same thing is right.
                But Russia, now in conditions of sanctions, falling oil prices and confrontation with the West, is still not enough to get not just an enemy, but a strategic enemy in the person of Turkey?
                The Turks are not only that it can absolutely nullify all the efforts of Russia and Syria. but also complicate the provision of the Russian group. albeit not blocking but hampering shipping.
                Turkey has the strongest army in the region, it is not the Papuan. They are really strong, they have a land border, ties with diasporas and influence in Syria.
                Turkey is economically strong, Russia is interested in it no less than Turkey in Russia.
                Therefore, do not rush to beat the pots.
                You need to think how to get out of this.
                1. andj61
                  andj61 25 November 2015 12: 59 New
                  +1
                  Quote: atalef
                  The Turks are not only that it can absolutely nullify all the efforts of Russia and Syria. but also complicate the provision of the Russian group. albeit not blocking but hampering shipping.
                  Turkey has the strongest army in the region, it is not the Papuan. They are really strong, they have a land border, ties with diasporas and influence in Syria.
                  Turkey is economically strong, Russia is interested in it no less than Turkey in Russia.
                  Therefore, do not rush to beat the pots.
                  You need to think how to get out of this.

                  If Erdogan could have nullified Russia's efforts in Syria, then he would have already done it: after all, they beat him there for the most sick - affordable.
                  To complicate shipping - maybe, but I do not believe in it! After violation of the Montreux Convention, Russia will have every right to completely block shipping in this region.
                  Turkey, of course, has the strongest army, and not only in the region, but also in NATO, if the US is not counted. It’s just that they can’t cope with Kurdish rebels even on their territory, they already hold entire cities. But Russia now can well support even the PKK, and not just the moderate ones - but I think this should be done if the PKK publicly abandons the terrorist methods of warfare.
                  But the fact that Turkey and Russia are interested in each other - this cannot be taken away!
                  Only to get out of the current situation under Erdogan, who did not even apologize formally for a downed plane that did not violate the borders of Turkey, I think is simply impossible!
            2. Manul
              Manul 25 November 2015 11: 15 New
              +1
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              So how should it be?

              Recalling. Articles, television shows, diplomatic notes for example.
      4. Hello
        Hello 25 November 2015 08: 32 New
        +4
        Quote: vorobey
        Recognize the Armenian Genocide ...

        So after all, it has long been recognized.
        1. vorobey
          vorobey 25 November 2015 08: 50 New
          +7
          Quote: Hello
          Quote: vorobey
          Recognize the Armenian Genocide ...

          So after all, it has long been recognized.


          then call it the Holocaust ... laughing Hi hi
        2. Turkir
          Turkir 25 November 2015 10: 00 New
          +2
          So it has long been recognized

          No, not recognized.
          1. Hello
            Hello 25 November 2015 10: 05 New
            0
            Quote: Turkir
            No, not recognized.

            In Russia? Recognized in Russia.
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            2. gjv
              gjv 25 November 2015 11: 33 New
              +1
              Quote: Hello
              Recognized in Russia.

              Declaration of conviction without mentioning the organizers.
              Moscow, April 14, 1995 N 694-I State Duma
              Statement by the State Duma of the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation
              "On the condemnation of the genocide of the Armenian people in 1915-1922"

              State Duma of the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation,
              Based on irrefutable historical facts testifying to the extermination of Armenians on the territory of Western Armenia in 1915-1922,
              Following the spirit and letter of the United Nations Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide (December 9, 1948) and the Convention on the Non-Applicability of Statutory Limitations to War Crimes and Crimes against Humanity (November 26, 1968),
              Striving for the revival of the humanistic traditions of the Russian state,
              Recalling that at the initiative of Russia, the great European powers as early as 1915 qualified the actions of the Turkish Empire against the Armenian people as a “crime against humanity”,
              Noting that the physical destruction of the fraternal Armenian people in their historical homeland was carried out in order to create conditions for the destruction of Russia,
              condemns the organizers of the extermination of Armenians in 1915-1922,
              expresses its sympathy to the Armenian people and considers April 24 as a day of remembrance for the victims of the genocide.

              But the international tribunal in 1915 recognized the facts of the Armenian genocide and condemned the organizers Talaat Pasha, Enver, Cemal, Shakir, Dr. Nazim, Bedri and Azmi for hanging.
              In view of Turkey’s new crimes against humanity and civilization, the governments of the Union States publicly declare High Port personal responsibility for these crimes of all members of the Ottoman government, as well as those of their agents who are involved in such a massacre.
              - May 24, 1915. Joint Declaration of France, Great Britain and Russia

              Today Erdogan - Turkish Hitler - develops genocide against the Kurds. The Turkish opposition should be fully supported. Erdogan must leave! Erdogan must be condemned! Mb not to hanging, but to the electric chair!
    2. vezunchik
      vezunchik 25 November 2015 08: 31 New
      +3
      how General Yermolov acted
    3. Mihalich17
      Mihalich17 25 November 2015 08: 37 New
      +9
      Our ambassador must be recalled, and their sent!
      And many other measures: from recognition of the Armenian genocide to military support for the Kurds! Hard to answer! Hard!
      1. cniza
        cniza 25 November 2015 08: 48 New
        +9
        After we take out all the tourists and other potential hostages.
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    5. major124
      major124 25 November 2015 08: 43 New
      +6
      The recall of the ambassador, this is actually a declaration of war ...
      1. Mihalich17
        Mihalich17 25 November 2015 09: 01 New
        +4
        But didn’t we announce it yesterday ???
        1. sssla
          sssla 25 November 2015 09: 28 New
          -3
          Quote: major124
          The recall of the ambassador, this is actually a declaration of war ...

          Quote: Mihalich17
          But didn’t we announce it yesterday ???

          A man has read here and sprinkles with "smart" words!
    6. TVM - 75
      TVM - 75 25 November 2015 09: 59 New
      +2
      Too aggressive, but essentially true!
  • vorobey
    vorobey 25 November 2015 08: 23 New
    21
    Quote: avvg
    From the Turks, only the headache has neighbors in the Middle East.


    Bulgarians ay ... you got a chance to change your mind and turn the gas river to yourself ... you have to be round idiots not to use it ...
    1. 79807420129
      79807420129 25 November 2015 08: 32 New
      12
      Quote: vorobey
      Quote: avvg
      From the Turks, only the headache has neighbors in the Middle East.


      Bulgarians ay ... you got a chance to change your mind and turn the gas river to yourself ... you have to be round idiots not to use it ...

      And they will be round idiots, lay under mattresses, now only sigh sadly.
    2. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A 25 November 2015 08: 33 New
      +6
      Quote: vorobey
      Bulgarians ay ... you got a chance to change your mind and turn the gas river to yourself ... you have to be round idiots not to use it ...

      You can turn it around, only recent events show that the "bros" will still sell ... Maybe, well, well, her in a stump, this pipe? Let Europe think ...

      By the way, it’s been built a lot and it’s worth it already in space ... At the summer house neighbor’s son, he stood all summer in a special barge in Varna, waited for the “brothers” to mature, and from September they pulled the gut to Turkey. And there’s even renting this trumpet-boarding billiard barge ... Of course, if the issue is political, then you can give up, but it would be desirable if someone paid for it.
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    4. atalef
      atalef 25 November 2015 08: 35 New
      +7
      Quote: vorobey
      Quote: avvg
      From the Turks, only the headache has neighbors in the Middle East.


      Bulgarians ay ... you got a chance to change your mind and turn the gas river to yourself ... you have to be round idiots not to use it ...


      Hi Sasha, everything changes at such a speed. a ship with a pipe (which Gazprom pulls across the Black Sea) - you will not envy.
      rushing about like a dog on a leash. then to one shore. then to another.
      1. andj61
        andj61 25 November 2015 09: 25 New
        +7
        Quote: atalef
        a ship with a pipe (which Gazprom pulls across the Black Sea) - you will not envy.
        rushing about like a dog on a leash. then to one shore. then to another.

        Is it like that monkey - then smart, then beautiful? what
        It’s necessary to finish this crap already. To build an extra LNG plant somewhere on the Yamal Peninsula with large storage facilities and several gas carrier vessels, to gasify 100% of all of its settlements plus holiday villages - there will be enough work for more than a decade!
        Greetings, Alexander! hi
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 25 November 2015 09: 28 New
        +2
        Quote: atalef
        rushing about like a dog on a leash. then to one shore. then to another.

        Let it fold itself and fold the pipe.
    5. Trailer
      Trailer 25 November 2015 08: 37 New
      +3
      Quote: vorobey
      Bulgarians ay ... you got a chance to change your mind and turn the gas river to yourself ...


      There is no such chance. Otherwise, GDP will be a bolabol
      1. vorobey
        vorobey 25 November 2015 08: 54 New
        +8
        Quote: Karavan
        Otherwise, GDP will be a bolabol


        between a balabol and M udak .. I would choose a balabol ... especially since the initiative will not come from us now .. but such a feeling that someone will come to Moscow with a bakshish ..
    6. sssla
      sssla 25 November 2015 09: 30 New
      0
      Quote: vorobey
      you have to be round idiots not to use it ...

      Gotta be round fool "that would again lay the pipe to the" little brothers "!!
      1. vorobey
        vorobey 25 November 2015 10: 03 New
        +2
        Quote: sssla
        Quote: vorobey
        you have to be round idiots not to use it ...

        Gotta be round fool "that would again lay the pipe to the" little brothers "!!



        I repeat ....
        Quote: vorobey
        but it’s such a feeling that someone will come to Moscow with a bakshish ..
  • cniza
    cniza 25 November 2015 08: 17 New
    +8
    First: All actions of strike aviation will be carried out only under the cover of fighter aircraft.

    Second: Measures will be taken to strengthen air defense. To this end, the cruiser "Moscow", equipped with an air defense system "Fort", similar to the S-300, will occupy the area in the coastal part of Latakia. We warn that all targets that pose a potential danger to us will be destroyed.



    But before this could not be done. Urgent need to do a no-fly zone.
    1. TVM - 75
      TVM - 75 25 November 2015 10: 04 New
      +1
      While there were friends and allies - it is impossible.
  • Siberia55
    Siberia55 25 November 2015 08: 18 New
    +7
    Right!!! Turks devils! Fell everyone who looked askance !!!
  • Roust
    Roust 25 November 2015 08: 22 New
    +6
    Someone else wants to spend a vacation there and leave their money in this terrarium ??? ... This is a spit in our face. It is necessary to respond with a hard kick to the crotch, so that others are not discouraged.
    1. Vladimir Lipov
      Vladimir Lipov 25 November 2015 08: 32 New
      +5
      I have long wanted to go to the Crimea and in Primorye, to the Far East.
    2. TUNISIA
      TUNISIA 25 November 2015 08: 42 New
      13
      I am 36 years old, and neither I nor my family have ever been abroad. The state does not let me in there. They say that I know too much. And nothing, alive. Russian resorts climbed up and down. I am waiting for the opening of the bridge to the Crimea. So, believe me, you can live without the Churkestan coasts, there is nothing terrible about this.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 25 November 2015 09: 29 New
        +3
        Quote: TUNISIA
        They say that I know too much.

        Now you are not only abroad, now you will not be allowed to leave your hometown. laughing
        1. TUNISIA
          TUNISIA 25 November 2015 11: 49 New
          +5
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Talk a lot

          Incomparably smaller than you wink
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 25 November 2015 11: 52 New
            +1
            Quote: TUNISIA
            Incomparably smaller than you

            So I know less than you tongue
            1. TUNISIA
              TUNISIA 25 November 2015 12: 48 New
              +4
              Therefore speak more? winked
      2. lis-ik
        lis-ik 25 November 2015 09: 33 New
        +1
        A bridge is not necessary at all. This summer I was in the Crimea from August 19 to September 4, I specially chose this time, drove by car and did not wait at the crossing, literally on the ferry, back and forth.
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      4. TVM - 75
        TVM - 75 25 November 2015 10: 07 New
        0
        It's all about the love of Pontus - abroad. It seems to be white and elite. wassat
    3. uralex
      uralex 25 November 2015 08: 42 New
      +2
      The Turks apparently wanted that instead of Russian tourists, they had a rest Russian tankers)))
  • provincial
    provincial 25 November 2015 08: 23 New
    +2
    We relaxed in the Moscow Region since the end of September without any problems.
  • Same lech
    Same lech 25 November 2015 08: 24 New
    +4
    “Contacts with Turkey through the military line will be terminated”


    With those who shoot down our planes for the sake of their ambitions, they are meaningless.
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    2. gjv
      gjv 25 November 2015 12: 15 New
      +1
      Contacts with Turkey through the military line will be terminated

      Why discontinued ?! Contact the products of the Votkinsk plant with airports named after Ataturk, Balikesir, Diyarbakir, Izmir, Incirlik, Kayseri, Konya, Chigli, Chorlu, Erhach, Eskisehir. As well as contact with the seaports of Aksaz, Buyukdere, Goldzhuk, Canakkale, Erdek, Foca, Iskenderun, Karamyursel, Mersin, Sinop, Samsun. And also to contact the bases of field armies and brigades in Istanbul, Gelibolu, Chorlu, Malatya, Adana, Diyarbakir, Elazig, Erzincan, Erzurum, Ankara, Izmir, Girne.
      Contact in one gulp!
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 25 November 2015 08: 27 New
    +2
    Quote: vorobey
    Bulgarians ay ... you got a chance to change your mind and turn the gas river to yourself ... you have to be round idiots not to use it ...

    But who will let them use this "chance". The United States is not asleep, and the Bulgarian government is always ready to serve the "hegemon."
  • Denis DV
    Denis DV 25 November 2015 08: 27 New
    15
    The Turks set a dangerous precedent. Now, on the basis of the US and NATO justifying statements addressed to Turkey, the Syrians have their hands untied on the use of air defense against the illegal coalition of the US-led bombing peaceful Syrian cities.
  • Vladimir71
    Vladimir71 25 November 2015 08: 31 New
    +6
    “We warn that all targets that pose a potential danger to us will be destroyed.”
    And it was not worth immediately adhering to this principle. In truth, until a thunder strikes a man crosses himself, the Turks must be punished in any case both economically and politically and physically, but our vaunted general staff must also suffer losses from those who planned to fly to the border without covering what should fly with a wolf ticket. am
  • gop
    gop 25 November 2015 08: 37 New
    -1
    the Turks will punish the Turkish pilot and it's all about the hat
    1. Mihalich17
      Mihalich17 25 November 2015 08: 40 New
      +2
      He must be demanded to be extradited to Russia as a war criminal!
  • Altona
    Altona 25 November 2015 08: 43 New
    13
    Suspicious responsiveness of the "world media" ... In the photo you see the assassin who killed the pilot ...
  • S_Baykala
    S_Baykala 25 November 2015 08: 43 New
    +5
    To speak at a global level is a very tough statement. After all, there were no footnotes about the territorial or national affiliation of the threat. Everyone should be destroyed - at least the Turks, at least the Merikos and it does not matter in whose territory.
  • supernova123
    supernova123 25 November 2015 08: 44 New
    +3
    "Third: military contacts with Turkey will be terminated" "- and that’s all ?! Believed more
    1. Denis DV
      Denis DV 25 November 2015 08: 57 New
      +3
      No need to run ahead of the engine. It is clear that they will crush in every way, especially cruelly and cynically until the last Erdogan screech.
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  • Sly
    Sly 25 November 2015 08: 45 New
    +2
    I now think that this is a provocation, but not of Turkey, but of mattress covers. They just bought a pilot, thereby substituting Turkey. Unfortunately, the truth is unlikely that we will ever find out.
  • demotivator
    demotivator 25 November 2015 08: 49 New
    +7
    I looked at photos that show how these
    from the "moderate opposition" mocked the body of the deceased Russian pilot. Outrage and hatred have no limits! This must be answered! All these people must be found and destroyed. From the air, from the sea, or "Sunshine" to burn them, no matter how. But this must be done. And then show the result of retaliation. These creatures only understand such a language.
    1. Altona
      Altona 25 November 2015 08: 58 New
      +2
      Quote: demotivator
      All these people must be found and destroyed. From the air, from the sea, or "Sunshine" to burn them, no matter how. But this must be done. And then show the result of retaliation. These creatures only understand such a language.

      ---------------------
      Yes, all this "peaceful starving Turkoman" village to Allah ...
  • Masya masya
    Masya masya 25 November 2015 08: 50 New
    +5
    “We warn that all targets that pose a potential danger to us will be destroyed.” hollow everything that moves and does not move! An eye for an eye...
  • Burmistr
    Burmistr 25 November 2015 08: 52 New
    +2
    it’s good that they began to show normal military channels on television, rather than smearing
  • Vadimsh
    Vadimsh 25 November 2015 08: 55 New
    +1
    Erdogan fighter will fly, it will fly ...
    1. Altona
      Altona 25 November 2015 10: 08 New
      0
      Quote: VadimSh
      Erdogan fighter will fly, it will fly ...

      --------------------
      Abrek, he is Anatolian ...
  • Neophyte
    Neophyte 25 November 2015 08: 57 New
    +3
    The generals relaxed! At the beginning of the operation in Syria, the scorers always went with a fighter. Why, this time, knowing about the problem on November 20, did the SU-24 come back without cover? Namely, on November 20, the Ottomans squealed about the violation of Turkish airspace. The current event, It was a consequence of the Russian "maybe", and the rescue operation, with the help of the weakly protected MI-8, was generally over-the-top headache!
  • Thompson
    Thompson 25 November 2015 08: 58 New
    +1
    What happened has already happened. Alas.
    Now we are waiting for a reaction and response.
  • passerby1
    passerby1 25 November 2015 08: 59 New
    -3
    In short, we wiped ourselves off, but we furiously frown and say that “if they again ... then we will show them.”
    1. Olezhek
      Olezhek 25 November 2015 09: 03 New
      0
      Ukrainians, who “attacked” and blocked the Black Sea Fleet objects in the Crimea during the years of non-indivisibility, also thought so ...
      Then suddenly ...
      1. passerby1
        passerby1 25 November 2015 09: 12 New
        +1
        What will Ukrainians answer in 25 years?
  • mik0588
    mik0588 25 November 2015 09: 00 New
    -1
    The Turks were not counted - fact! No special answer is to be expected - no one is interested in escalation, and economically, they won’t come out with a special answer, a double-edged sword. That the USA has nothing to do with it is unbelievable! In fact, this is their response to diplomatic success - the creation of several problems at once with a minimum of costs on their part am
    1. Olezhek
      Olezhek 25 November 2015 09: 04 New
      0
      No special response should be expected - no one is interested in escalation


      Such things Komrad not immediately done, wait a bit.
      1. passerby1
        passerby1 25 November 2015 09: 17 New
        0
        If you wait a long time, then planes with pilots can end.
  • Neophyte
    Neophyte 25 November 2015 09: 02 New
    0
    The answer to the attack should be tough! Already, we need to establish contact with the Kurds
    and with the next Turkish Air Force raid on their positions, help the Kurds to destroy
    aggressor.
  • Isangrim
    Isangrim 25 November 2015 09: 02 New
    +2
    I agree, relaxed ... forgot where they are ??? it’s clear that the pilots don’t live if they don’t fall into the hands of the Syrian army ... there are plenty of freaks and all on one face, you won’t understand who is where ... Now we’ll excuse rocket horseradish in front of the Turkish nose? Wouldn’t it be a sin ... The guys are sorry ... they died stupidly and for nothing ... Eternal memory ...
  • holod19
    holod19 25 November 2015 09: 09 New
    +4
    Quote: Karavan
    In order to evacuate Russian pilots from the landing site, a search and rescue operation was carried out with the involvement of two Mi-8 helicopters. During the operation, one of the helicopters as a result of fire from small arms was damaged and made an emergency landing in neutral territory. One contract Marine died.

    Fighter without cover. Helicopters without cover. Where are the brains? Now only the cheeks are pouted.


    but I DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHY FOR YOU ARE MINUTES !!!!!!!!!! ???????????????
    it’s actually a FAILURE rescue operation! This is what idiots you need to be in order to organize what happened !! Where are our crocodiles ????? Where is the cover of the SU-25 attack aircraft? just another gouging commanders !!!!!!!!!!
  • VadimSt
    VadimSt 25 November 2015 09: 10 New
    0
    I liked the general, did not wag! His inner indignation and genuine anger were felt.
    In general, it may be time already to forget, constantly and without reason, to use words like "our friends", "our partners". Well, I have never heard, such words from the West, "brothers" more similar in spirit and territory, sometimes get into a bottle. What is yesterday’s private, but fair reproach to Lukashenko and the entire CSTO - on one of the central channels. Maybe it's time to start saying "our interests" and "our demands"?
  • 3vs
    3vs 25 November 2015 09: 15 New
    +2
    Then the comrades from Israel correctly said that their bombers do not fly on a mission without covering fighters!
    It’s time to learn it!
    Free hunting can be expensive.
    And where are the praised REP facilities on our helicopters !?
    But this is a real war ...

    The pipe must be pulled under the Bosphorus, but this is a matter of the future ...
    When Constantinople returns to the Greeks, there will be another conversation.
  • BARKHAN
    BARKHAN 25 November 2015 09: 27 New
    +5
    Well, the thunder struck. We crossed ourselves. And now let’s calmly and without emotions of these jackals to circle around. There was no happiness, but misfortune helped. Declare a no-fly zone over Syria. If, by law, only we can be in the air and the Syrians. To warn officially! And to shoot down! This is the territory of a sovereign state. And we are the only ones flying on the legal rights. We are cleaning up the Turkoman. These are terrorists. As far as I understand, this is the district corridor for supplying the Alepo area. It’s closed tightly before the snow. Well, it’s probably time let go of the infantry of Ramzan there. The mountain terrain is familiar to the Chechens. Familiar groups (immigrants from the Caucasus).
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  • Risiana
    Risiana 25 November 2015 09: 58 New
    0
    It is our fault that we did not gain a foothold in Syria. Aircraft without cover, shoot helicopters. They did everything for Turkey to shoot.
  • Goodrv
    Goodrv 25 November 2015 10: 02 New
    +2
    Hysteria ... We have a monument in Vladik ... a drum roll ... to the downed IL-12 of the USSR. 1953 In response, the Union failed their B-50 in a couple of days. Allegedly, in our space. Well there is an alley of twinks, but it’s parallel. And nothing fatal. In the 1960s, Americans fired on ships flying the USSR flag. Freight! In Vietnam, of course. And no snowstorm.

    So ... politics separately, local hysteria (ah-ah, dolby ottoman!) Separately.

    With the Turkoman, you can crank up the damian version. Assad will not refuse to destroy the MLRS a couple of days.
  • Hort
    Hort 25 November 2015 10: 04 New
    0
    One contract Marine died.
    i.e., already to the Turks, the bill for our two dead soldiers should be presented
  • Begemot
    Begemot 25 November 2015 10: 06 New
    0
    We warn that all targets that pose a potential danger to us will be destroyed.
    This is the key phrase of the whole speech. I really want to hope that this is how it will be. And I would like to believe that preparations are underway for the total destruction of everything in the territories through which the traffic of stolen Syrian oil and "moderate cannibals" goes to Turkey and back.
  • Kito
    Kito 25 November 2015 10: 08 New
    -1
    Quote: mik0588
    The Turks were not counted - fact! No special answer is to be expected - no one is interested in escalation, and economically, they won’t come out with a special answer, a double-edged sword. That the USA has nothing to do with it is unbelievable! In fact, this is their response to diplomatic success - the creation of several problems at once with a minimum of costs on their part am

    Economically, it’s easy for them to answer: we close the health resort with them, and this is 12% of the total flow in monetary terms 3 billion baksoa, close the tangerine-fruit front, and here it’s more. Well, gas and other delights.
    Along the way, we close the oil counterfeit business - and that’s all
  • WHG
    WHG 25 November 2015 10: 16 New
    -2
    Stalin gave in the 18g of the last century, gave land with Mount Ararat should be taken back !!!
  • Vladimir
    Vladimir 25 November 2015 11: 04 New
    0
    Quote: Gop
    the Turks will punish the Turkish pilot and it's all about the hat


    Well, you will most likely be awarded. Before launching a rocket, there was clearly a request for land and there was clearly good from the ground to attack. And the answer will be clear, only it will not be a downed fighter or a sunken boat, but most likely a step in economic terms or in terms military cooperation. Leverage is enough, there would be a desire.
  • berkut9737
    berkut9737 25 November 2015 11: 13 New
    0
    The Turkish military attache in the Russian Federation declared a strong protest against the actions of the Turkish Air Force, which led to the loss of our aircraft.

    The protest is still decisive. Like women, (here is a strong word).
  • qwaigon
    qwaigon 25 November 2015 11: 40 New
    0
    Syria initiative on the side of Russia. The hegemony of the dollar is nearing completion - financial control over the world will be lost. The stakes are higher than ever. Therefore, the sole purpose of this provocation is to force Russia to respond to Turkey with military means. Erdogan was asked "very well" about this provocation. He himself wouldn’t do that. finished but not stupid person. Classic fork - we answer to the Turks, the United States and NATO get a wide field for political maneuver (attack on a NATO member, blocking the straits, etc. with all the ensuing from this, until the outbreak of war in Europe - the wet dream of "USA"), we don’t answer - authorities lose authority among the people. The military response in this case is what our enemy seeks. So is it worth playing by his rules? Such a shitty scenario - I do not envy our president. It remains to put pressure on Turkey economically, and to create a "moon" landscape along the Syrian-Turkish border - there are opportunities for this. But we are not really ready to fight with all this "true" trash, only the "long loaf" remains. But this is the end for everyone ...
  • Rom14
    Rom14 25 November 2015 12: 15 New
    0
    Quote: Karavan
    Quote: Temples
    No need to drive a wave of command.


    Who sent the turntables without cover, Pushkin?

    Like Pushkin!
  • Julian
    Julian 25 November 2015 12: 27 New
    +1
    What do people argue about cover? - I do not know. The experience of Chechnya, of that. So what? Shouldn't they die in war? Yes, there are simple things like twice two, but they can slip out of sight. How many wars were there? And how much experience? And what, in modern wars, people do not die? They have the same - a lot of experience. There should be no errors. But what if the 24s that we got attached to were already on a mission? What if, some of them have already been disabled? But you never know the reasons? Do you think NATO is not wrong? This is the human factor, which is and will be. We do not have so many forces in Syria to ensure security in all directions. In Afghanistan - remember how many soldiers, equipment, aircraft were. The count of people went to tens of thousands, equipment to tens of thousands, aviation to hundreds. And then what?
  • Belousov
    Belousov 25 November 2015 14: 12 New
    0
    Contacts will interrupt this is understandable. What else will happen? I would like specifics. It is clear that right now no one will lay out and publish a clear plan, but still ...
  • Lexa-149
    Lexa-149 25 November 2015 17: 08 New
    0
    I watched the video that they got into the helicopter from the TOW ATGM when it was already on the ground.
    Nobody in NATO, except the United States, will be cut off for the Turks in this incident. No one in Europe needs a war with Russia, a nuclear power. There is too much at stake. Everyone understands who is doing what in Syria:
    Russians are fighting;
    Turks stuff their pockets and solve their internal political issues with the Kurds;
    USA-add fuel to the fire of war and chaos ...
    After a series of terrorist attacks, France won’t even think about saying a word of support to Turkey, only condemning actions.
    No one will hear the squeak of the Baltic MEMBERS of NATO in support of the Turks.