Strange aspects of the tragedy in the Syrian skies

It was simply unrealistic not to study everything related to the fact of the attack and destruction of our plane in Syrian airspace yesterday. After watching and reading everything I could, I noticed some really strange nuances.

Some questions don’t require answers; everything is already clear. But part of it remains a question mark.

It is absolutely clear that no one expected such actions from the Turkish Air Force. A protocol with the United States was signed, the United States signed for all representatives of the anti-terrorist coalition, including Turkey. And no one expected such actions, which can only be called treacherous.

However, military operations are taking place on the territory of the SAR. Therefore, the following questions arise.

1. Why did our Su-24M act alone? Not paired, without fighter cover? Perhaps he was in "free hunting" mode. But this does not remove some of the feeling of a frivolous attitude towards what is happening.

2. Why were Mi-8 helicopters sent to the crash site after the disaster? After all, it was known that the area was controlled by Turkoman gangs. The result was the death of our soldier and the loss of one helicopter. If instead of the Mi-8 the bearded bastards had seen the Mi-24, the situation would have been completely different.

3. It seems that the presence of so many bandits in the area of ​​the fall was somewhat of a surprise. What is this, excessive trust in information from “partners” or a flaw in intelligence?

4. It was stated that the Su-24 was not equipped with a missile launch detection system. No comments at all. The pilots were virtually unarmed against any attack.

It seems that our command was not prepared for both such a situation and its consequences. I agree that no one expected such meanness from the Turks. And the attack by a Turkish fighter came as a nightmarish and tragic surprise.

However, there is always the possibility of planes and helicopters being fired upon by MANPADS and heavy machine guns. And no one canceled the accidents. There must be a rescue system in areas under the control of terrorists.

And a few questions regarding the actions of the Turkish side.

It seems strange to me the meeting of one Su-24 and one F-16. A lone fighter was scrambled to intercept a lone bomber? I don't believe in chance at all.

Apparently, the Turkish side planned something similar in advance. I tracked all the takeoffs of our planes using my radars, finding out whether such an action would be possible.

There is no doubt that if there was at least one Su-30 in the air within a radius of 4-5 kilometers, the Turks would not even move to intercept, especially if they went beyond their airspace. Even together, since the “thirtieth” is clearly too tough for the “sixteenth”.

So there is planning.

Moreover, there are generally accepted rules for dealing with such situations. In case of airspace violation, the following action algorithm has been adopted.

1. Notify the intruder via radio frequency. Usually it all ends there. I doubt this was done. Moreover, 10 warnings in 5 minutes.

2. Warning fire. Usually done with a cannon at an angle to the intruder's course.

3. Forced landing. It is accomplished with the help of maneuvers, which our airborne readers will explain better than I can.

4. And only when all the previous points have failed, and provided that the actions of the intruder clearly pose a threat, lethal fire is fired.

We have what we have. A Turkish fighter jumped out of its airspace and launched a missile at our plane.

These facts indicate only one thing: we are dealing with a pre-planned (and not bad) operation. Everything that the Turks can offer as arguments will look like unsubstantiated babble. They wanted to shoot down our plane, they shot it down.

Yes, the organization of combat sorties by our Aerospace Forces helped them with this. And it helped a lot. But this does not relieve any responsibility from the perpetrators. Everyone must suffer a well-deserved punishment: both the real murderers (Erdogan and his oil trader son), and the unwitting accomplices (responsible for developing the action plans of our pilots).

A thousand tankers with oil from ISIS are too small a price for Erdogan Jr. to pay for the death of our soldiers. Retribution must overtake everyone - both those who authorized the murder (otherwise I cannot characterize what happened), and the one who pressed the “start” button.

It’s a shame that the guys didn’t know that they would be killed. It’s a shame that they didn’t know that they would be shot at like targets by stinking bearded monkeys who only knew how to pull the trigger of an AK and yell “Allahu Akbar.”

But it will be even more disappointing if this tragic lesson is not learned.

The Ministry of Defense announced the cessation of all military contacts with Turkey.
The Ministry of Defense announced the strengthening of the area's air defense with the help of the "Forts" of the cruiser "Moscow".

The Ministry of Defense stated that all targets posing a potential threat in the air will be destroyed.

I'd like to hear one more statement. That in those mountains, from where the bullets rushed towards our pilots, there was nothing alive left. Burn everyone out, as they proposed to do with our killed pilot. And let their Allah figure out who is the mujahid and who is not.

Comments

[Cetegg]

He quickly changed his shoes!

[Serg Koma]

The United States believes that Turkey shot down a Russian Su-24 bomber not in its airspace, but in the skies of Syria , a US administration official told Reuters on Wednesday night. This contradicts the position of NATO , whose leadership supported the assertions of the Turkish military that the plane was shot down and violated the country's airspace.

The bourgeoisie also wrote that OUR plane not long before was in the skies of Turkey for seventeen seconds.
One of the pilots is ALIVE!!!

[Andrey NM]

It is joyful that the co-pilot is alive, and it is sad that the paratrooper was killed and the helicopter was lost.
It would be right to put S-300 or S-400 batteries there in reasonable quantities to cover this zone, especially since Syria will really need these complexes in the future, and in combination with the Iranian ones there will generally be a decent air defense zone. The deployment time is short; they are available in the south of Russia. How long will it take to collect and transport? The most important thing is that none of the “partners” will howl about this, the reasons are obvious. Practice using electronic warfare in the event of aircraft taking off on Turkish territory, and see the reaction of the Turks. If electronic warfare can really “blind” Turkish air defense radars and flight support systems, let’s see how these “comrades” behave. The vagrants are to be shot down. The incident gives a free hand to bomb everyone in this territory, regardless of moderation.

The fuel trucks have “arrived”, the free oil has run out. What will the Turks sing if their planes are shot down over Cyprus or Greece?

And the Mistrals would be very useful now.

[Lance]

There are many aspects and questions.
Whether this is the plan of the military, NATO, Erdogan personally, or the blood feud of a psycho on the F-16 is a separate question, and another question is why this was done.

Yesterday there was a time of emotions, waving sabers and hats, but today, if I honestly answer this question and question 1 “why they didn’t cover it up,” the answer, in my opinion, is simple - because there was dizziness from success.

A vigorous start to the first phase of the operation, FABs, Calibers, KABs, zero counteraction, Tagil is tearing up Igil, we report with cheers.
We flew to the Turks for reconnaissance, the attache apologized, the guys made a mistake. All OK. All this led to the pilots and command losing their sense of danger.

Nobody relieves the Turks of responsibility for the plane, but we need to remember who we are dealing with.

And understand that if you walk around the ghetto of infidels and scoundrels without a gun, sooner or later you will get screwed. We set ourselves up, and besides the Turks, the aerospace generals must answer for this.
By the way, has anyone been held accountable for the mediocre downing of the planes during the Georgian attack?
Shot down air defenses, which they then “suddenly” decided to crush with electronic warfare. Statements about the need to use it now sound completely idiotic.
Before this, where were all the electronic warfare systems, on the set of KRET commercials?

I have expressed my point of view here more than once, how the Papuans differ from air defense, and combat operations from air darts, but the distance lost in the enthusiasm of battle most often returns with a blow to the nose...

Air darts is over.

[PQ-18]

the blood feud of a psycho on an F-16 is a separate issue

"They don't hire people like that to be cosmonauts!"

[Lance]

Do they only take in autistic orphans?

[anderles66]

Ay, don't tell me ! Although, I don’t really believe in this version . But. The ruling party in Turkey is the Muslim Brothers (for understanding, see the events in Egypt). When two months ago analysts grunted, “Why air defense if IS doesn’t have planes?” I assumed the likelihood of something similar (a conflict in the sky, where there are a lot of people who want to fly and fight, it doesn’t matter whether the conflict is accidental or planned). So, let’s say the pilot was seduced by the ideas of ISIS. Is this really so incredible in a Muslim country with radicals in power, the creators, sponsors and users of the Islamic State itself? It would seem that a normal country, even with such a fact, would begin to disown the abnormal pilot, but not Türkiye.

[BLACK-SHARK-64]

definitely so.........

[Alena Frolovna]

In a normal country they don’t mock the dead and don’t remove them from their bodies:

Rest, O Lord, the souls of your departed servants, the warriors Oleg and Alexander, and forgive them all their sins, voluntary and involuntary, and grant them the kingdom of heaven.
They died for you and me, for the world, “for their friends.” There is nothing higher and holier than this!

[ioann1]

In this case, only Satanists remove the Holy Cross from their chests. And Türkiye became the initiator of a great turning point that will lead to its death.

[Down House]

Quote: anderles66

It would seem that a normal country, even with such a fact, would begin to disown the abnormal pilot, but not Türkiye.

Yes, because at least every second person in power is crazy.

[Kuzhugetovich]

What about people? A couple of months ago, Shariy filmed interviews with locals. I was somewhat upset by their position, especially that "Russia has been aggressive towards Turkey since the Ottoman Empire." Actually, we went nuts...

[RainDragon]

They fought. Only most often it was the Turks who imposed themselves on the war. Two hundred years have already passed since the last war, after all... And again the Turks are running into trouble

[OlegLex]

what two hundred?
What are you about! During World War I, the Turkish fleet bombed our coastal cities. Although a hundred years is not enough either.

[mervino2007]

Quote: RainDragon

Two hundred years have already passed since the last war, after all

The last time they fought with the Turks was WW1.

[sledgehammer]

Shariy...there is no need to continue. For me, Shariy is a guy who is making money on media content while the war is going on in Ukraine.
Ask Shariy at your leisure - whose Crimea is, you can do this on Twitter or Facebook on his page. I guarantee 90% that you will get a ban from him for asking about Crimea.
Shariy is like our Navalny, it’s just that the ball managed to escape to Europe in time and become a media expert, well, Navalny is like a lawyer, and this is like a media expert.
If anything, I’m for Donbass and for Putin, etc., but I can’t stand such changelings like Shariy.

[Dilshat]

This is how Ataturk, who also built a secular state, bequeathed to the army: if the country’s leadership slides into radical Islam, remove it. That’s what the army did. But Erdogan this time secured himself http://www.newsru.com/world/11feb2011/erdogan.html
As a result only “non-secular” generals remained.
But Erdogan doesn’t understand one thing - the higher you raise your nose, the more painful it is to fall.

[CONTROL]

Quote: Dilshat

Thus, Ataturk, who also built a secular state, bequeathed to the army: if the country’s leadership slides into radical Islam, remove it.

As a believer and Orthodox person, I have no prejudice against any religion...But...
Reading the Koran, thoughts about attacks or exacerbations of the sluggish schizophrenia of its creator - the Prophet Mohammed are born and do not leave... I can prove this quite convincingly, with the corresponding surahs and verses in my hands! Here are the consequences of a “poorly treated” stroke... here is an attack of pancreatitis... stomach cramps... pain due to chronic prostatitis...

[fyvaprold]

Quote: Lance

There are many aspects and questions.
Whether this is the plan of the military, NATO, Erdogan personally or the blood feud of a psycho on the F-16 is a separate question

I assume that this is “a blood feud planned by NATO for the psycho Erdogan.” You need to be held accountable for something like this, some measures have already been taken, statements and positions have been expressed, and when all Russians (including those who are being held against their will) return to their homeland, Turkey will receive that very “pulp” that makes its teeth fly out in packs. There is no need to rush, and there is no need, Russia endured throughout the 90s, and now it is giving away debts, I think it will be the same with the Turks. No one is forgotten, nothing is forgotten. IMHO. Sincerely.

[NordUral]

It seems to me that not even NATO as a whole, but the guys from the Pentagon.

[Travian]

the Turks must answer for our Caucasus

[tankist epta]

You are right, I hope there will be a big debriefing among the command. It is no less guilty than the main Ottoman. How was it possible to send an Mi8 without cover?! I can't wrap my head around it. And yes, if they don’t burn out this entire border area with the “moderates,” the guys died in vain.

[mervino2007]

Quote: tankist epta

How was it possible to send an Mi8 without cover?!

Diagnosis: chronic inadequacy to the current situation.

[Kind Me]

1. Notify the intruder via radio frequency. Usually it all ends there. I doubt this was done. Moreover, 10 warnings in 5 minutes.

Six seconds

In northern Syria, in the province of Latakia, a Turkish Air Force F-16 fighter attacked and shot down a Russian Su-24 front-line bomber.

Official Ankara claims that the Russian plane violated Turkish airspace and was shot down after repeated warnings.

To support its version, Türkiye published the flight trajectories of its F-16 and Russian Su-24. If you superimpose the trajectories on the map, at the time of the attack the Russian plane was actually over the territory of Turkey, which is wedged into the territory of Syria in a kind of “gut” a little more than two thousand meters wide.

The Turkish authorities' claim that they repeatedly warned the Russian aircraft about airspace violations is questionable.

To cover a distance of two thousand meters, the Su-24 needs no more than six seconds. Most likely, Türkiye means that it previously warned Russia about unauthorized flights over its territory. If you look at the wind rose in the Latakia region, strong winds constantly blow there from the south.

And planes can land at the Khmeimim airbase exclusively from the north, that is, from the Syrian-Turkish border. That is, Russian planes are forced to “drop” into Turkish territory for a few seconds while landing. And such “oversights” occurred regularly from September 30, when the first combat mission was carried out. Official Türkiye is well aware of this.

It turns out that on the morning of November 23, a Turkish F-16 plane was simply guarding a Russian bomber? In this case, the decision to attack the Russian Aerospace Forces aircraft was made at the highest level. Events are developing rapidly.

Türkiye initiated the convening of an emergency meeting of the NATO Council. The Russian President also reacted quite sharply, calling the attack on the Su-24 a stab in the back inflicted by terrorist accomplices.

Putin said that Russia “has long been recording oil supplies to Turkey from areas of Syria captured by terrorists” (“Novaya” wrote about the oil business of terrorists through Turkey back in September, details are in No. 106 of September 28, 2015). Today we can only say that for Russia the attack by the Turkish Air Force was a complete surprise.

W E S T!!!S E K U N D...,SIX

What “last 10 Turkish warnings” are we talking about?...

It turns out that for 4 minutes 54 seconds, the Turks “sent warnings” to the plane located in Syrian airspace...

[Siegen]

If you superimpose the trajectories on the map, at the time of the attack the Russian plane was actually over the territory of Turkey, which is wedged into the territory of Syria in a kind of “gut” a little more than two thousand meters wide.

Well, there is an inconvenient border there with a kind of “gut” or “nipple”. Moreover, you can’t tell from a height of 6 km, and it was cloudy there.
Here is the first Su-24 “strike” through this damned section (about 5-6 seconds).
It's not worth a damn. Well, they would have given a diplomatic protest and that’s it!
And the second Su-24 (they flew as a pair on a mission) flew from behind and from the side (all the time over Syrian territory).
That's why he was shot down. He didn't trespass!
They shot it down intentionally, as ordered.

10 warnings in 5 minutes

Everywhere, when the plane approaches the border within 10 km, a warning is sent, saying, be careful.
A pair of Su-24s were returning from a mission and took a long time to fly to their airfield along borders at a distance of 10 km from it. That's why there were 10 warnings. Ordinary procedure.
But after the shooting down of a Russian bomber, everything was turned upside down...
And these 10 warnings turned into a “formidable” accusation of evil intentions.

Erdogan realized that he was unable to carry out this provocation “cleanly” and immediately rushed to the NATO leadership for help.
But they didn’t know how to get out. That’s why the head of NATO looked so dumbfounded with his eyes hiding.
Now they will come to their senses and find a common strategy (of course! One washes one’s hand! one’s own son of a bitch) and will blame at least the pilots for all the sins.

What else can you expect from them?

[Siegen]

I watched the Anna-film video.
The operator noticed the contrail of a rocket fired from the ground.
The bombers made an anti-missile maneuver and therefore one plane flew into Turkish territory.
Takes aback.
Did they really foresee all the pilots’ actions in advance?

Yesss!!!! It turned out to be a notable provocation...

[Siegen]

NATO had one version of what happened, the most unpleasant for Russia.
According to it, Turkey acted at the suggestion of the Americans, who wanted to stage a provocation against Russia, radicalize Moscow’s position in the Syrian conflict, and disrupt Russian-European rapprochement on the issue of a joint operation.

[2ez]

Aviadarts really ended, here you are right... And VERY sad for us... Eternal memory to the guys, they honestly fulfilled their duty! BUT! There were no fighters near the downed Su-24, in my opinion, due to the fact that only a few of them were transferred to Syria, first two pairs, then two more. There are simply not enough of them for everyone, they mainly cover our attack aircraft in areas where they intersect with...Indos! And in this area no one expected an ambush; here our commanders really miscalculated! This is what needs to be punished! Any planning errors in war are corrected with sweat and blood, unfortunately... ETERNAL MEMORY TO OUR BOYS! SKY RECEIVED THEM AS ITS OWN!

[Peterhofsky73]

Quote: 2ez

Aviadarts really ended, here you are right... And VERY sad for us... Eternal memory to the guys, they honestly fulfilled their duty! BUT! There were no fighters near the downed Su-24, in my opinion, due to the fact that only a few of them were transferred to Syria, first two pairs, then two more. There are simply not enough of them for everyone, they mainly cover our attack aircraft in areas where they intersect with...Indos! And in this area no one expected an ambush; here our commanders really miscalculated! This is what needs to be punished! Any planning errors in war are corrected with sweat and blood, unfortunately... ETERNAL MEMORY TO OUR BOYS! SKY RECEIVED THEM AS ITS OWN!

That's how it is. But you need to take into account that “Khmeimim” is also not rubber. There is a problem of placing additional units of combat aircraft. Based on the assigned combat missions, the quantitative proportion of bomber/attack aircraft/fighter was decided in favor of the first two. Hence, it is possible that the SU-30s provide insufficient cover for bombers in “low-risk” directions. There has been information that the Tartus MTO has been given the status of a Naval Base and work to deepen the coastal zone is in full swing. In addition, a full-fledged Air Force Base is being built (in my opinion, also near Tartus). Little by little our people turn around and make it clear: “we are here for a long time, literally forever.” Hand on heart, we were warned...warned...dilly that our planes would be shot down. But this is the Russian way. Perhaps they will be afraid. They were not afraid. But this is in vain. Goofy..la..

[perm23]

I would like to understand, since I am not an Air Force specialist myself, why the BKO-2 “Karpaty” airborne defense system did not work on our control system. It seems he should both warn and help.

[varov14]

“Whether this is the plan of the military, NATO, Erdogan personally or the blood feud of a psycho on the F-16 is a separate question, and another question is why this was done.” ----I ended up on a military website, although I’ll be honest, I like it, but sometimes I’m surprised that they’ve already played the video “a hundred” times about how our plane was shot down, it’s an obvious set-up, and ours were leaked. And I come to this on the basis of previous military campaigns, where, as we now know, there was plenty of betrayal. Some are heroes, others are skinners, do you need corporate mutual responsibility and approval?

[Yars]

Quote: Lance

There are many aspects and questions.
Whether this is the plan of the military, NATO, Erdogan personally, or the blood feud of a psycho on the F-16 is a separate question, and another question is why this was done.

Yesterday there was a time of emotions, waving sabers and hats, but today, if I honestly answer this question and question 1 “why they didn’t cover it up,” the answer, in my opinion, is simple - because there was dizziness from success.

A vigorous start to the first phase of the operation, FABs, Calibers, KABs, zero counteraction, Tagil is tearing up Igil, we report with cheers.
We flew to the Turks for reconnaissance, the attache apologized, the guys made a mistake. All OK. All this led to the pilots and command losing their sense of danger.

Nobody relieves the Turks of responsibility for the plane, but we need to remember who we are dealing with.

And understand that if you walk around the ghetto of infidels and scoundrels without a gun, sooner or later you will get screwed. We set ourselves up, and besides the Turks, the aerospace generals must answer for this.
By the way, has anyone been held accountable for the mediocre downing of the planes during the Georgian attack?
Shot down air defenses, which they then “suddenly” decided to crush with electronic warfare. Statements about the need to use it now sound completely idiotic.
Before this, where were all the electronic warfare systems, on the set of KRET commercials?

I have expressed my point of view here more than once, how the Papuans differ from air defense, and combat operations from air darts, but the distance lost in the enthusiasm of battle most often returns with a blow to the nose...

Air darts is over.

Dear, stop pointing the finger at Russian authorities and Russian generals! No one thought that the Turks were so vile that they would stab you in the back, do you think they did this without consulting the Amers? They are too lazy to make this kind of decision on their own! This terrorist act of destroying the SU-24 by Turkey was prepared in advance; the Turks understood perfectly well that Russian aviation was acting calmly since the protocol on the anti-terrorist coalition had been signed! If you look at the first video that appeared on the Internet when the plane was falling, it is clearly clear that it was filmed on a professional video camera, in addition, during the shooting you could hear the incessant clicks of the camera, just like a mobile phone does not click a photo! So everything was carefully organized! Why would bombers use KRET systems against terrorists with Kalash rifles? Stop writing nonsense, otherwise you will fall in line with the liberals who are just looking for a reason to shit on the Russian government. Instead of supporting Russia in such difficult times, you are making a fuss here in support of Turkey and their allies.

[chega69]

Military personnel should differ from managers in that they must provide for various options for the development of events. The regulations were written in the blood of not a general, but a soldier. About the rescue operation on the Mi-8 - didn’t you also expect a “provocation”?

[Alyosha]

let's not be smart!!! There are situations in war when there is simply no time to make the right decision! And it’s good to remove generals from their posts from the sofa!

[Klopomor]

I completely agree with you about photo equipment. Who runs through the mountains with DSLRs and telephoto lenses? In 32 seconds the plane fell. You can’t even take these cameras out of your bag, let alone shoot them. There is also an interesting moment in this video. When an explosion is heard not far from the landing pilot. Obviously the mortar was working. How long does it take to deploy a mortar crew?

[Zharoff]

It is our senior military and the government who are to blame for the fact that, knowing the conditions for landing at this airfield, that this involved a short-term entry into Turkish airspace, they did not discuss these issues in ADVANCE with Turkey and NATO.
We would sign the corresponding agreement and fly “to our health.” Most likely this was not done. The Turks were presented with a fait accompli. Indeed, even after the Turkish statements last month, it seems no one bothered to agree on the specifics of the landing approach. And when signing the current agreements on the anti-terrorist alliance with the United States, they probably did not include this feature in the text of the document. Victory in the air is forged on the ground! In offices, including.
We must never forget this. In this case, it was necessary to forge victory in high offices in advance.

[kuz363]

Absolutely true.
The developers of the operations plan are primarily to blame. Maybe it's a lieutenant, major or colonel. And the general claimed. They are all responsible. - Why did they send the plane without cover?
How many of them were there, one or two? Especially practically on the border. If a plane flies 1 km in 3-4 seconds, then what kind of conversation can there be about whether they flew to Turkey or not. - Why didn’t the radar irradiation equipment work?
Then the pilots would have the opportunity to use an anti-missile maneuver - where are the aircraft's vaunted heat traps for protection against missiles? They look so beautiful during parades

[mihasik]

Quote: Lance

Yesterday there was a time of emotions, waving sabers and hats, but today, if I honestly answer this question and question 1 “why they didn’t cover it up,” the answer, in my opinion, is simple - because there was dizziness from success.

And in my opinion, it’s just another fuck-it and our Russian sloppiness, well, without “Maybe” it’s impossible!
(Photo from "Max": SU-24M with installed electronic warfare equipment KS-418E "KHIBINY". I apologize, for some reason two photos do not stand up.
And here is a photo of the SU-24M in Latakia (Syria):
Question. How are “empty” Sushki sent to war, or is “Khibiny” an accessory purely for show-off? Who will explain?

[aleeex]

What are you writing about, and most importantly, they are posting some photos, sucked from the fingers, HAVING HAPPENING, the Su-24 did not hang the Khibiny, they are not even provided for it. It is practically impossible to escape from a missile with a thermal head, and Khibiny is a complex of electronic warfare and electronic warfare. The Su-24 has a standard warning system against exposure to MAK radar weapons. For 1.5 years now I’ve been fed up with stupid reports about how a Su-24 MR with Khibiny flew around the American KUK ship near Crimea, well, there have never been such stations on such aircraft, they are not provided for these aircraft, they were recently released for new fighters and fighter-bombers (just look for them yourself), MR flew to write off Aegis frequencies, and scared the sweaty blacks on board, and they extinguished the ship from the shore with something like a “beauty”. Therefore, once again, DON’T KNOW, DON’T WRITE absurd nonsense about someone’s unpreparedness, you think that everything is so perfect, unfortunately, it’s not possible to predict everything, the Turks knew what to shoot down and prepared everything in advance, including choosing a loading option. And your work with photos is generally nonsense, extras are usually added there. fuel tanks PTB-1500

[aleeex]

PTB-3000 are hanged if the flight lasts more than 30-40 minutes

[user1212]

Quote: aleeex

HAVING HAPPENED, the Su-24 was not equipped with khibins, they are not even provided for it

Not certainly in that way. It doesn’t hang on the Su24, but the KS418 hangs on the Su24M (if it’s finished at all). Regarding Cook, it’s true because 7057 AvB does not have Su-24M aircraft in service. Although no one bothered to drive him there. I’m not saying that the story about KUK is true, but that it is theoretically possible

[starley from the south]

Quote: Lance

The answer, in my opinion, is simple - because I was dizzy with success.

This is not entirely true. I think we are too gullible. Now, in hindsight, everything seems simple and clear. It turns out that the Turks are traitors! Here's the news! And yesterday, or the day before yesterday, they were normal guys! If our military command is to blame, it is precisely for excessive gullibility. After all, we judge all people by ourselves - we do not deny them the presence of good feelings, such as nobility, loyalty to their word... But it turns out that we cannot trust them all! You especially can’t trust them when they assure you of their sincere and kind feelings towards us. These are all vile, deceitful, treacherous creatures! Moreover, this applies to everyone, not only the Turks, the French, the Americans, and the Germans. If they themselves do not commit meanness, then they support others in this.
Of course, it will be difficult for us to always expect some kind of meanness from them, it’s difficult to live without trusting anyone, but this is our world, still full of meanness, which, I really hope, we will someday sweep into the trash heap.

[mervino2007]

Quote: Lance

question 1 “why didn’t they cover it up?” the answer, in my opinion, is simple - because I was dizzy with success.

What is dizziness? Is this a command or a kindergarten? Who will be responsible for releasing an unprotected aircraft into flight? Now the “military secrets” (saving your ass) will begin - was the plane equipped with a missile attack warning system? After all, there should be. And the navigator says that he only felt a blow to the tail. This means that no one knew or did anything about the launch and flight time of the rocket. Even though it is small. And an aircraft like the SU-24 is not capable of anti-missile maneuver. Too big. And it doesn’t have missile defense systems? After all, we were told that such systems exist there. Which will deceive these missiles, take them away from the plane, all ears are buzzing. This was said at the beginning of the operation. And now it turns out that this is a LIE. Now look at the beginning of the post - who will be responsible for such a “grave” situation with the protection of our aircraft? Who is shouting, assenting to Shoigu? Who doesn't seem to understand this situation at all? And the operation with the evacuation of the crew, when the MI-8, and not the MI-24, was sent under bullets, I completely agree with the author, this is an ineradicated army .....? Who is responsible for the downed helicopter? The command that made such a decision does not have any information about who is theirs and where are theirs? As long as there are no demotions or imprisonments, the chaos will continue. Or maybe this is the policy - to expose us to attack?

[Reserve Lieutenant Colonel]

Where do you get the confidence about the absence of mi24 in conjunction with 8 when the PSS is working? You should at least watch the video - the silhouettes of the Mi 8 and the accompanying Mi 24 are clearly visible - IT CAN’T HAPPENS OTHERWISE!!!!! And this is the very first video that appeared on the network.

[SARANCHA1976]

1. Why did our Su-24M act alone?
Because he carried out a combat sortie with absolute air supremacy of the Aerospace Forces, i.e. in the absence of aviation among the iSIS as such. 4. It was stated that the Su-24 was not equipped with a missile launch detection system.
As far as I know, the SU25 is equipped with a system for detecting missile launches with a thermal guidance head. And our fighters are not equipped either. The fact is that all combat aircraft can see radar-guided missiles; the IR head does not use radar, at least I don’t know foreign combat aircraft (not from the latest generations and modernizations) that can see them at all. Previously, they only visually inspected when there was a threat. In addition, an almost point-blank attack from the rear projection would not have saved the Su30. By the way, the same Americans in Her camp also often strike with F15s alone; in order to increase the bomb load, they remove air combat weapons and don’t even load heat traps, because
they work from such heights and MANPADS do not threaten them. For an F15 attacked by a Pakistani F16 from such a position, the result would be the same. It’s all very simple... the guys did not fight in the full sense of the word. They killed the Hajjs from a height and when the Turk appeared on their tail, they did not think that it was the ENEMY. In a combat situation, no one would have let him on their tail.

[PQ-18]

in the south of Russia they exist. How long will it take to collect and transport?

Are you proposing to WEAKEN the air defense zone of southern Russia (by transferring S-300\400 to Syria)?!
here in the Donbass - “peace and quiet”?..
STRATEGIST!

[fyvaprold]

Quote: PQ-18

Are you proposing to WEAKEN the air defense zone of southern Russia (by transferring S-300\400 to Syria)?!
We have “peace and quiet” there in the Donbass?..
STRATEGIST!

I apologize very much, but how long ago were bombers deployed to the Donbass, which would be a reason to strengthen air defense in this area? And no one suggested transferring ALL S-300s. By the way, the air defense of the Southern Military District is precisely protecting Russia from attacks, SUDDENLY, from the Turkish direction. Sincerely.

[PQ-18]

Why are you puffing yourself up, you smart ass?
you have the incoherent, pathetic logic of a kitchen warrior...
you are an absolute layman to argue with me here!

[fyvaprold]

Quote: PQ-18

Why are you puffing yourself up, you smart ass?
you have the incoherent, pathetic logic of a kitchen warrior...
you are an absolute layman to argue with me here!

Ghoul your chalk! Who you are, what

Quote: PQ-18

to argue with me here!

the great warrior Manitou? Take a walk before bed, get some fresh air and dream of your greatness.

[Andrey NM]

Of course, I’m not a strategist, but about the transfer of the S-400: http://lenta.ru/news/2015/11/25/shoigu/

RIA-Novosti also voiced this.

[PQ-18]

Of course, I’m not a strategist, but here’s about the transfer of the S-400: http://lenta.ru/news/2015/11/25/shoigu/

So WHERE is this S-400 being transferred to Syria from, “armchair strategists”?!
You don’t know how to READ or COMPREHENSIVE from birth?!
ARE THE S-400s (2nd airborne regiment?) being removed from the SOUTH of Russia to strengthen the Syrian air defense group?!

[fyvaprold]

Quote: PQ-18

"couch strategists"?!
You can’t READ and COMPREHENSIVE from birth?!

Kind PQ-18, don't be so nervous, you better accept it lithium carbonate and read"site rules". For your own good.

[Serg Koma]

Quote: Andrey NM

And the Mistrals would be very useful now.

We will take a short-term lease from Egypt, if necessary, to deliver tourists on free vouchers from the Russian Ministry of Defense.

[Yuri from Volgograd]

Quote: Andrey NM

What will the Turks sing if their planes are shot down over Cyprus or Greece?

So I’m wondering what the Greeks will now have from advanced air defense made in Russia? The Turks are racing in the skies of Cyprus and even shot down the Greeks, and now there will clearly be some kind of preferential weapons program and from that moment on Allah will not be responsible for the Turkish pilots...

[PQ-18]

So I’m wondering what the Greeks will now have from advanced air defense made in Russia?

yes, in JO..those prostituted Greeks!
they already have for a long time EAT S-300..let them shoot down the Turks WHEN THEY WANT!!!

[aleks 62 next]

....it’s sad that the paratrooper died and the helicopter was lost....

....Sad...Fact....But it is unknown how the Marine died.....The fact is that the helicopter was shot down and committed forced in neutral....How he landed is unknown....Vert MI-8 has one unpleasant feature....When landing hard and falling on its side, the main gearbox breaks loose and destroys everything in the cabin....Perhaps the Marine died and under such circumstances....It’s a pity for people....

[Grenadier]

Quote: aleks 62 next

..During a hard landing and falling on its side, the main gearbox breaks out of place and destroys everything in the cabin.... Perhaps the Marine died under such circumstances.... I feel sorry for the people....

The helicopter was finished off on the ground after it made an emergency landing and was abandoned by the crew and landing party. In the video, the screw is absolutely intact.

[saygon66]

-There’s also a tank, almost a quarter of the interior takes up... liters of 5oo kerosene.

[Reserve Lieutenant Colonel]

What are you even writing - how can a gearbox destroy everything in the cabin when it rolls over on its side? Is it actually moving in the direction of the cabin?! Where do the engines go in this case? I'm not saying that gearbox failure does not happen - this happens when the helicopter is standing level, but not on its side.

[SARANCHA1976]

This means that when colliding with the ground during a belly impact, there have been cases on 8s where the propeller group has stalled and fallen into the cabin, but this is during a collision. Even with a hard landing, the outcome is unlikely.

[go21zd45few]

The area where the Turkomen gangs are located needs to be turned from mountainous into plain, and Erdogan needs to study the history of the wars between Russia and Turkey and draw conclusions.

[dr. sem]

Will not understand. Erdogashka is a stubborn hashishin...

[forest park 86]

Well, the “allies” screwed us up with the Mistrals

[BEGA2015]

Andrey NM: “And the Mistrals would be very useful now.”

- a strange opinion. "Mistral" is a landing scow. The questions asked in the article are quite correct - they sent a bomb carrier without cover, then “... Mi-8 helicopters were sent to the crash area.”
Complete frivolity! One of the helicopters, after landing in the pilot search area, stood in plain sight, like a target at a shooting range.
I watched on YouTube how the bearded men shot MI-8 almost point-blank.

It’s a shame, but not “annoying and okay.” - Many must pay for these losses! And this despite the fact that the Turks, long before this tragic event, threatened with serious consequences for violating the Turkish air border.
After all, only now has the decision been made to cover the bombers.
The old saying is appropriate here: “If thunder doesn’t strike, a man doesn’t cross himself.”

[fisherman2]

It would be right to put S-300 or S-400 batteries there in reasonable quantities to cover this zone, especially since Syria will really need these complexes in the future, and in combination with the Iranian ones there will generally be a decent air defense zone. The deployment time is short; they are available in the south of Russia. How long will it take to collect and transport? The most important thing is that none of the “partners” will howl about this, the reasons are obvious.-- Who benefits from the Su-24 situation - and under NATO another stake was scored and air defense was deployed

[Alexander]

Let's assume that he really was in the air for 17 seconds...
And the Turks managed to warn 10 times in 17 seconds, then report to the base and get the go-ahead to fire to kill.
V.y.r.o.d.k.i., who are you selling this to?

[Sterlya]

I also didn’t understand something when they sent two Mi-8s to search, at least two eighths with four Mi-24s would have understood.
And the fact that the Su-24 was not equipped with a missile attack warning system is completely absurd (in my opinion)

[Andrey Yurievich]

Why did our Su-24M act alone? Not paired, without fighter cover?

Roma, how many fighters do we have there? and bombers? and departures per day? where can I get cover for everyone...?

[Vita VKO]

Of course, there are plenty of oddities in the story of the death of the Su-24. But the main question is, why did this come as a surprise to the Russian command? Firstly, literally a day before the attack, Türkiye tried to raise the issue of bombing border areas at the UN Security Council.
Secondly, this is not the first incident, and after several short-term violations of the border with Turkey, Erdogan warned that he would shoot down Russian planes. And most importantly, the destruction of the ISIS oil business by the VSK of the Russian Federation, which, according to media reports, is directly connected with Erdogan’s son, simply could not go unanswered. It’s hard to believe that there are naive people in the Russian General Staff who are unable to predict the level of danger for a single Su-24 when approaching the Turkish border. Our guys were clearly set up.

[44World]

It’s just that no one thought that Erdogan would turn out to be such a...

[Scales]

Yes, it’s not only Turkey, everyone is so vile in NATO, admire how the USA is now taking the rap (they even accuse us of violating borders):
“During the conversation, the topic of the Russian plane shot down by Turkey, which violated Turkish airspace, was discussed. The US President said that The United States and NATO support Turkey's right to defend its national sovereignty. President Erdogan and President Obama shared their views on the need to take action to prevent a repeat of what happened and the importance of reducing tensions," the office said.

[Oleg14774]

Quote: 44Peace

It’s just that no one thought that Erdogan would turn out to be such a...

Generals are given heads to think, and not just “eat with them.”

[ancient]

Quote: 44Peace

It’s just that no one thought that Erdogan would turn out to be such a...

And when will the..."Great..."leaders begin to THINK?

And then on every “corner” they shout... - we are striking at the infrastructure of the Islamic State, depriving them of money... and the fact that the Islamic State supplies all this to Erdrgan’s son and ours.. “cut off” their “free money, at the expense of.. free oil”... and what this "will never end well"

The Americans “planted” their Igly INTERCEPTORS in Incerlik and what.. did we have some kind of strengthening or at least.. “stirring”?
In addition to the “happy reports” on TV all over the country...there we are...we've... wiped our noses.

And here...WAITED for our 100% and..."there is a leak" and flight plans, routes and profiles, orders of forces and means, strike areas, and maybe specific targets, etc. and so on.

Maybe it’s time to “wake up” and get involved in MILITARY AFFAIRS, and not train like in air darts?

Well, I didn’t think about it...one very good commander A.P. in the past I really liked to say, “let the horse think...he has a big head”

[Falcon]

Quote: ancient

The Americans “planted” their Igly INTERCEPTORS in Incerlik and what.. did we have some kind of strengthening or at least.. “stirring”?

There isn't a lot of choice to enhance it. Should I transfer the old ones 27/29? And you can count the new 30/35s on your fingers. To drag from all over the Russian Federation.

Quote: ancient

And here...WAITED for our 100% and..."there is a leak" and flight plans, routes and profiles, orders of forces and means, strike areas, and maybe specific targets, etc. and so on.

There is also a landing approach - it always goes along this box. We waited, yes, but I don’t think there’s much need for a leak. Sit and wait for the next one to land.
Of course I may be confused

[Andrey Yurievich]

Quote: Falcon

There is also a landing approach - it always goes along this box. We waited, yes, but I don’t think there’s much need for a leak. Sit and wait for the next one to land.

I agree with Sokol, the same idea... the wind rose is such that there is no other way.

[Suhow]

I’m not an expert, but I think that, 27,29, if they were covered up, they would seriously moderate the ardor of some ardent Turkish leaders. And so the Russian Federation needs to respond to a slap in the face in a similar manner - impunity breeds permissiveness -

[Pajamas]

Quote: ancient

Quote: 44Peace

It’s just that no one thought that Erdogan would turn out to be such a...

And when will the..."Great..."leaders begin to THINK?

And then on every “corner” they shout... - we are striking at the infrastructure of the Islamic State, depriving them of money... and the fact that the Islamic State supplies all this to Erdrgan’s son and ours.. “cut off” their “free money, at the expense of.. free oil”... and what this "will never end well"

The Americans “planted” their Igly INTERCEPTORS in Incerlik and what.. did we have some kind of strengthening or at least.. “stirring”?
In addition to the “happy reports” on TV all over the country...there we are...we've... wiped our noses.

And here...WAITED for our 100% and..."there is a leak" and flight plans, routes and profiles, orders of forces and means, strike areas, and maybe specific targets, etc. and so on.

Maybe it’s time to “wake up” and get involved in MILITARY AFFAIRS, and not train like in air darts?

Well, I didn’t think about it...one very good commander A.P. in the past I really liked to say, “let the horse think...he has a big head”

You believe in preparedness for aggression, you believe in planning on the part of the United States, and you also believe in the fact that the SU-30 would have prevented the incident. Don't you think that everything is not so good with logic? At the same time, you understand that the Su-30 will not solve anything with one unit, you yourself wrote about this yesterday. There is NO full-fledged Aerospace Forces base in Syria, they weren’t going to fight there with Turkey, roughly speaking, when you go duck hunting, you don’t take an elephant gun with you, there is a task, there is a tool. Indignation, yours to me, is quite understandable, but the logic is not.

[kuz363]

And the Turks could fire a surface-to-air missile from the ground over Syrian territory. And they would say that they shot it down over their territory. Then the covering fighters would be useless.

[kuz363]

You and I may not think so, but the General Staff specialists shouldn’t make such mistakes

[bairat]

Quote: Vita VKO

And most importantly, the destruction of the ISIS oil business by the VSK of the Russian Federation, which, according to media reports, is directly connected with Erdogan’s son, simply could not go unanswered.

I doubt that this is the main thing. The media write about the fact that ISIS receives $50 million a year from oil smuggling; the Turks will receive a maximum of the same amount from resale; these are tears in comparison with the losses from the reduction in tourism.

[Cap.Morgan]

Yesterday at Solovyov’s, Satanovsky announced a figure of several billion.
Hundreds of oil tankers. Kilometer-long columns.

[Petrix]

Quote: Cap. Morgan

Hundreds of oil tankers. Kilometer-long columns.

The US recently reported attacks on ISIS oil depots. Those. for the USA, the Turks provide their airfields, and shoot down the Russians? Hypocrites.

[Andrey Yurievich]

Quote: Petrix

Quote: Cap. Morgan

Hundreds of oil tankers. Kilometer-long columns.

The US recently reported attacks on ISIS oil depots. Those. for the USA, the Turks provide their airfields, and shoot down the Russians? Hypocrites.

and the states attacked those oil depots that are closer to Assad...

[hrapon]

Quote: bairat

Quote: Vita VKO

And most importantly, the destruction of the ISIS oil business by the VSK of the Russian Federation, which, according to media reports, is directly connected with Erdogan’s son, simply could not go unanswered.

I doubt that this is the main thing. The media write about the fact that ISIS receives $50 million a year from oil smuggling; the Turks will receive a maximum of the same amount from resale; these are tears in comparison with the losses from the reduction in tourism.

50 million dollars not in a year, but in one month. This is approximately 2.5 million barrels at a price of 20 dollars. This is how the media writes about it. In fact, the scale of smuggling is much higher. Only 1,500 unloaded carriers can transport at least 2.25 million barrels of oil per month. There are significantly more fuel trucks. Possibly over 3,000 tanker trucks. In the first three days, we destroyed about 500 units, and there were still a lot of fuel tankers left. In addition, there are illegal pipelines. They can export approximately up to 5-6 million barrels of oil per month, and on the “best” days up to 10 million. And this is already from 100 million to 200 million dollars per month in net profit (no taxes, no duties).
An indicator of smuggling is that for the third year now all tankers are constantly packed to capacity. This is about 100 million barrels of oil afloat. At the same time, in recent years, the price of freight has been constantly growing and has already doubled. With a general decline in world oil prices, no one cares. Tankers are still flooded at the neck. This can only be allowed if there is excess profit. Smuggling gives 100% profit. Syria is only a small part of this shadow business.
Events in Libya remain in the shadows. There, after the murder of Gadaffi, oil production is actually controlled by ExxonMobil under the guise of “bearded revolutionaries.” In 2013, our correspondents from “KP” or Kots or Steshin (I don’t remember exactly) tried to leave the area where the revolution was “blossoming”, in the direction of the oil refinery they were immediately arrested by some “murky” people (obviously from some then PMC), they kept him in prison for a week, and then released him, saying that next time they would kill him if they saw him in this area... Right now, no one writes about what is happening with oil production in Libya.

As for the Ottomans, Roman is right - the “circle named after P. Sudoplatov” should begin active work.

[NordUral]

I think not per year, but per month.
Justification - only 1000 tanks destroyed is approximately 140,000 barrels of oil.
Let the price be 10 bucks, and that’s 1,400,000 bucks. And I think there are more than a dozen such caravans. And another reason for the hysteria of the Erdogan family is that the oil tankers themselves also cost a lot of money. I wrote for a long time. that nothing good will happen between us and Turkey.

[DEMENTIY]

Quote: Vita VKO

It’s hard to believe that there are naive people in the Russian General Staff who are unable to predict the level of danger for a single Su-24 when approaching the Turkish border. Our guys were clearly set up.

Dear, please kindly explain these words. As for me, you managed to accuse the General Staff of setting up the General Staff!

[PQ-18]

Dear, please kindly explain these words. As for me, you managed to accuse the General Staff of setting up the General Staff!

Well, the General Staff may not be worth reproaching, but the main headquarters of the Aerospace Forces... clearly screwed up!
An operation to rescue downed pilots without air fire support, on a pair of UNARMED Mi-8s?!?
Is this their native Russian rear?!
Were they preparing for WHAT, an antelope safari in Africa or an air raid behind enemy lines?

[Alexey RA]

Quote: PQ-18

An operation to rescue downed pilots without air fire support, on a pair of UNARMED Mi-8s?!?
Is this their native Russian rear?!

EMNIP, in the video of the destruction of the downed Mi-8, it is clear that the “eight” was accompanied by a Mi-24.
The Mi-24 is not used as a PSS vehicle - only the Mi-8. The “Crocodile” (especially with a combat load) is too heavy for standard PSS maneuvers (hovering with a winch or hanging close to the ground).

[Uzzy]

Our guys were clearly set up.

Yesterday I was also choking on anger towards the Turks. But I was also in great bewilderment, how could they not have foreseen such a case, why ALONE, without cover???
Cannon fodder again?

[AlexL]

Who's the cover from? ISIS does not have its own fighters.

[Uzzy]

Especially for you, AlexL

Who's the cover from? ISIS does not have its own fighters.

Do you seriously not understand? Before this, was there no tension on the border with the Turks? And where does the information come from that Turkey is being supplied with oil to ISIS? As a result, our “partners” suffered so much...
And I also remember the words: 1. “You want to see your planes fall on Syrian territory” (something like this) - John Kerry. 2. “We need to equip the rebels with MANPADS like we did in Afghanistan” (something like this) - Biden.
Draw your conclusions!

[Turkir]

Think correctly.
I remember the words of Kerry and Biden.
No wonder the United States deployed F-16s to Turkey. And now they write that we have nothing to do with it.

[NordUral]

From "partners".

[as150505]

Today I will burn the Turkish flag at home, at least it will make me feel a little better. (bought it when I was in Turkey, but will come in handy today)

[Oleg14774]

Quote: Vita VKO

Our guys were clearly set up.

All the facts are for this. Or among the generals there there was someone who turned out to be corrupt, I think this cannot be ruled out either. About escorting the SU-30 In the areas bordering Turkey, there are not so many airborne forces operations, and here cover should be a priority. And inside Syria it was possible to miss one cover, especially considering that the 24th was alone. SO the explanation about the shortage of SU-30s does not work here.

[lazma3]

Before you write such nonsense that our pilots were framed by the General Staff of the Russian Federation, and the last lines from your comment indicate this, think carefully first. If, of course, you have something to think about. Judging by your Comment, you are simply rewriting what has already been voiced. Except for the last lines about the General Staff of the Russian Federation. Here the fruit of your inflamed brain, or its remnants, is clearly visible.

[PQ-18]

It’s hard to believe that there are naive people in the Russian General Staff who are unable to predict the level of danger for a single Su-24 when approaching the Turkish border. Our guys were clearly set up.

"When God brought order to the earth... AVIATION was in the AIR!"

[Palma]

analysts probably predicted probable losses and everyone agreed with the percentage of losses

[Dazdranagon]

Quote: Palmsky

analysts probably predicted probable losses

- but not from the “partners” in the coalition! There is a chance that your phone will be stolen, but you are unlikely to expect that your neighbor will do this...

[AlexL]

The plane did not fly into Turkish territory.

[kuz363]

This is just doubtful. They are already writing that they were forced to fly into Turkish territory in the form of a “gut” 2-4 km wide. And then they explain. that this was a minor offense, there was no danger for Turkey and it was not necessary to shoot down! And the fact that the Turks stood by after repeated border violations and promised to shoot down doesn’t count?

[Volzhanin]

It is urgent to close the skies over Syria and unconditionally and purposefully shoot down ANY air target crossing the Syrian border.
I LOVE IT!!!
Warn NATO about this - spin as you want, but if the shores are confused - khan.

[Roman13]

If the co-pilot is really alive, then he should soon tell everything as it happened in an interview. And then the “believe it or not believe it” begins.

[V.ic]

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

how many fighters do we have there? and bombers? and departures per day? where can I get cover for everyone...?

If everyone is a caulker, where can you find shovels for everyone? The fact that this was a “failure” on the part of those who set the task for the flights is beyond doubt. However, it would be nice to think through the fishing operation atriver "for live bait".

[PQ-18]

However, it would be nice to think through the operation of catching urka with live bait.

in combination with the "ambush Buk"

[Predator]

For 10 bombers 2 SU-30 and 1 electronic warfare and necessarily 1 DRR and S

[Igor39]

Cover for those who work near the border with Turkey.

[Poppy]

just for this case, Kuznetsov should come there;
his air group is not equipped for high-precision strikes on the ground, but can cover strikers well

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Mac

just for this case, Kuznetsov should come there;
his air group is not equipped for high-precision strikes on the ground, but can cover strikers well

So, have Kuz already solved the problem with the Su-33 takeoff?
Or is there already a prepared air group for the MiG-29KR? These cars appeared in Yeisk only in mid-September.

[PQ-18]

it’s easier to improve our airbase(s) in Syria...

[ancient]

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

, how many fighters do we have there?

Andrey, and the Syrian Mig-23s... where did they suddenly disappear? Or is there no fucking interaction?
And who prevented ours from relocating more and carrying out patrols in the zones?
After all, Syria is almost a little larger than the Rostov region
So... there would be a “desire”, or even better... “skill”.. or again everyone is waiting.. for.. “the elder ordered...”

[Alexey RA]

Quote: ancient

Andrey, and the Syrian Mig-23s... where did they suddenly disappear? Or is there no fucking interaction?

Are they still alive? Otherwise, Syrian Air Force aircraft mostly appear in photographs of defended or surrendered air bases - standing on the ground.

Quote: ancient

And who prevented ours from relocating more and carrying out patrols in the zones?

Judging by recent videos and photos of the Ministry of Defense, ours have become unacceptably relaxed and began to use the Su-30 for ground work.

[ancient]

Quote: Alexey RA

Are they still alive?

Alexey..alive and how (practically everyone from MF and ML..turned into MLD ) eu and besides the 23s there is also.. the 29th.. in a very interesting modification

everything..so..a lot.."said"

[Alexey RA]

Quote: ancient

Alexey..alive and how (practically all of them from MF and ML..have turned into MLD eu and besides the 23s there is also..29th..in a very interesting modification

Interesting things are happening in the Syrian Air Force. MLD is the crown of the MiG-23 line, a 3++ generation machine.
I heard about the supply of MLDs from Belarus, but for all MFs and MLs to turn into them... Not otherwise - North wind cheated.

However, you still need to look at what’s on the pendants. In November 2015, in Hama, under the MLD, old R-24 (“Russian Sparrow”) and R-60 were hanging.

[ancient]

Quote: Alexey RA

I heard about the supply of MLDs from Belarus, but for all MFs and MLs to turn into them... Not otherwise - the North wind blew.

Yeah...only "Krasnodar" Well, that’s how they hang...in principle, R-ki...they will still “go”, but the “problem” is that either R or T...together is not possible due to..”features of “Sapphire”

Well, did you notice Iz.9-13, or rather its left plane with the AKU-170E?

[Alexey RA]

Quote: ancient

Well, did you notice Iz.9-13, or rather its left plane with the AKU-170E?

Hmm... if there is an AKU-170E, then, theoretically, there could be an RVV-AE (or SD) somewhere nearby.
Could it be the Syrian answer to the Turkish F-16s with the AIM-120?

[Simple]

Isn’t this a Mig-23 of the Syrian Air Force at 1:07?:

[ancient]

Quote: Simple

Isn’t this a Mig-23 of the Syrian Air Force at 1:07?:

No... this is a Su-17M4... or rather a Su-22M4

[Pajamas]

Quote: ancient

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

, how many fighters do we have there?

Andrey, and the Syrian Mig-23s... where did they suddenly disappear? Or is there no fucking interaction?
And who prevented ours from relocating more and carrying out patrols in the zones?
After all, Syria is almost a little larger than the Rostov region
So... there would be a “desire”, or even better... “skill”.. or again everyone is waiting.. for.. “the elder ordered...”

There are tasks, there is a tool, an increase in the number of fighters and, as you suggest, with constant duty, it will simply radically change the distribution of resources, therefore more sorties of the SU-30 less than the Su-24,25,34. The goal is to solve problems on the ground using the available means, the operational headquarters decided that in this situation it would be advisable to spend resources in this way and not otherwise, whatever one may say, and no one was going to conduct air battles. The Su-30 flight “flag demonstration” and in an (operational) situation requiring an increase in attack sorties (the ground operation has not had much success) made that decision. There is no full-fledged base, resources are limited, finances are limited.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Pajama

There are tasks, there is a tool, an increase in the number of fighters and, as you suggest, with constant duty, it will simply radically change the distribution of resources, therefore more sorties of the SU-30 less than the Su-24,25,34.

1. Su-30s were transferred to Syria precisely to cover strikers from the air. Until recently, they only carried P-27 and P-73. That is, resources for their duty should have been laid down from the beginning.
2. In fact, Su-30s already make regular sorties - recently they have begun to be involved in work on the ground.
3. There was the experience of Afghanistan, damn it - even during the Soviet era, pack fighters worked on our and the Afghan Air Force, and even on Afghanistan itself.

[ancient]

Quote: Pajama

, therefore, more sorties of the SU-30 are less than the Su-24,25,34

Why are there fewer “strike aircraft” sorties? If duty is carried out from the ZB?
Write everything else correctly
And you understand what this leads to.. "saving on.. matches" or as according to Shirvind - "..here he plays, here we play again, but here we skip, and here..in general...we turn it over"

[ssergn]

And one more thing - why then was the agreement signed with the coalition (USA)? Why has everyone forgotten about him? It's not just some piece of paper. Document on delimitation during hostilities. They were counting on him in the first place. In fact, only the Turks could shoot down, but following the letter of the documents, no. Or am I wrong?

[ancient]

Quote: ssergn

And one more thing - why then was the agreement signed with the coalition (USA)?

So with the coalition or the USA? In my memory...they signed so much that...they couldn’t take it away with a truck and WHAT...has anything changed radically? No..Only later did I hear from the Upper Ones..."that's what they are like; I removed everything from Cuba, and they...deceived me."...I hope you know the author of this phrase?!

[ssergn]

Just let's not confuse warm with soft. This is not the situation now. And the states signed on behalf of the coalition.

[snc]

Why for everyone? Only where there is a real threat, i.e. on the border with Turkey.

[Altona]

Quote: Cetegg

He quickly changed his shoes!

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Awesome picture, I’ll take it to the archives...

[Falcon]

Quote: Roman Skomorokhov

1. Why did our Su-24M act alone? Not paired, without fighter cover? Perhaps he was in "free hunting" mode. But this does not remove some of the feeling of a frivolous attitude towards what is happening.

There are 4 Su-30s and it seems 4 Su-27cm. How many bombers and attack aircraft? How to cover them all?

Quote: Roman Skomorokhov

2. Why were Mi-8 helicopters sent to the crash site after the disaster? After all, it was known that the area was controlled by Turkoman gangs. The result was the death of our soldier and the loss of one helicopter. If instead of the Mi-8 the bearded bastards had seen the Mi-24, the situation would have been completely different.

Well, since we won’t be able to evacuate him on the Mi-24. Although there is a cargo compartment, in reality it cannot lift the cargo when fully armed. Roughly, in the Mi-24, a maximum of one person can be a passenger.
Another thing is why they didn’t cover the Mi-8 with 24? True, it is not known what modification of the Mi-8 it was. Maybe not "toothless" either

Quote: Roman Skomorokhov

4. It was stated that the Su-24 was not equipped with a missile launch detection system. No comments at all. The pilots were virtually unarmed against any attack.

She wouldn't have saved me. Not the same type of equipment, and he most likely let the F-16 come close. Who expected this?

Quote: Roman Skomorokhov

There is no doubt that if there had been at least one Su-30 in the air within a radius of 4-5 kilometers, the Turks would not have even attempted to intercept, especially if they entered their airspace. Even together, since the “thirtieth” is clearly too tough for the “sixteenth”.

It wouldn't help either.
No one expected that the Turks could actually shoot down. Even if the Su-24 was shot down, our "thirty" would not attack the F-16! There are a number of reasons for this:
1. how can pilots understand (in the moment) that he was shot down and not just a technical failure?
2. Maybe it was the S-125 that the Ukrainians sold to ISIS (the Su-30 pilots won’t be able to figure it out either).
3. And just hitting blindly - well, we’re not Turks. Officer ethics and common sense in the end...

[Dali]

Quote: Falcon

No one expected that the Turks could actually shoot down. Even if the Su-24 was shot down, our "thirty" would not attack the F-16! There are a number of reasons for this: 1. How can the pilots understand in the moment that he was shot down and not just a technical failure?2. Maybe it was the S-125 that the Ukrainians sold to ISIS (the Su-30 pilots won’t be able to figure it out either). 3. But just hitting blindly - well, we’re not Turks. Officer ethics and common sense in the end...

Well, what nonsense you've been saying... Why did they now decide to bomb with an escort?! Why, if in your opinion it is useless?!

PS
In short... are you a man or who in general...?!

[Falcon]

Quote: Dali

Why did they now decide to bomb with an escort?!

They've bombed with him before - they just didn't accompany everyone because they had nothing.

The Su-24 generally landed in a box (due to the wind rose) - why would there be an escort there?

It makes sense - there is moral support there - otherwise it is impossible to explain the presence of only 4 Su-30s.

NOBODY thought that the Turks would start shooting down. We cannot fight them and let alone shoot them down in response!

The Bosphorus will be closed and what next? They won’t let us through Gibraltar in this situation either.

Quote: Dali

are you a man or what?

Air Force reserve officer... Well, now it looks like VKS.

[ancient]

Quote: Falcon

They've bombed with him before - they just didn't accompany everyone because they had nothing.

And why suddenly... it became nothing.. and since there is nothing.. sit and.. “smoke”.. until you have nothing.. or again...” with a bare butt yes.. like a hedgehog.. "?
Are there not enough Ossetian losses?

Quote: Falcon

The Su-24 generally landed in a box (due to the wind rose) - why would there be an escort there?

Where did you get this from? Su-24s do not fly in a box and in general... not IA, nor IBA or FBA... only according to the 2 by 180 scheme or with a flap on the control unit (this is how the RBSN-6 is “stitched”).

Everything else is correct,+!

[Tilkus75]

Retaliatory measures may include supplying the Kurds with S-300s. And they will try, I'm sure!

[kuz363]

It's too difficult for them. Enough MANPADS

[red_october]

No one expected that the Turks could actually shoot down.

Exactly!
The UN Security Council resolution on combating terrorism of November 20, 2015 prescribes the coordination of coalition actions “in building coherent counter-terrorism actions.”
It turns out that Turkey, contrary to this resolution, not only did not coordinate its actions, but attacked one of the states

[ancient]

Quote: Falcon

There are 4 Su-30s and it seems 4 Su-27cm. How many bombers and attack aircraft? How to cover them all?

You are confusing the “ceremonial formations” for the show and the real COVER. It is produced from ZONES and only in THREATENING DIRECTIONS!!!
ZONES are "built" with OVERLAP... The Su-30SM "hangs" in the air 3 times more than the Su-25 and Su-24 and...has the ability to refuel in the air...which...in the Russian Aerospace Forces ..."have the IL-78s run out or are they just ..."for the ..parade" and TV advertising"?

Any VO is carried out with the ATTRACTION of the A-50..at least one......something I blindly didn’t notice..or the same thing..."all over"..everything.."being modernized"?

How come it didn’t save me... and where did the Birch go??? and MAK-UT...which perfectly sees V-V missiles at high altitudes

But it’s very bad...."that no one expected...." and...continues..."not to wait....."...We need to FUCK such.. "unexpected people"." .in the back"
THIS IS IMHO!!!

[Alexey RA]

Quote: ancient

You are confusing the “ceremonial formations” for the show and the real COVER.
It is produced from ZONES and only in THREATENING DIRECTIONS!!! ZONES are "built" with OVERLAP... The Su-30SM "hangs" in the air 3 times more than the Su-25 and Su-24 and...has the ability to refuel in the air...which...in the Russian Aerospace Forces ..."have the IL-78s run out or are they just ..."for the ..parade" and TV advertising"?

And the main thing is that there was no need to invent anything. It was necessary to simply open the documents of the Afghan war on the actions of the BA, IBA and SHA in the areas adjacent to Pakistan.

[ancient]

Quote: Alexey RA

And the main thing is that there was no need to invent anything.

Alexey..so everyone who had Afghan experience has long been either retired or.....the kingdom of heaven to them..and HTO is now teaching tactics in ZHUGARINKA......knows him, although in the photo there is a movie.." speakers" and reporters" are all completely Honored and Snipers

That’s why already in Ossetia the BP UG went to airdarts... not to mention the Dalniki... well, here in general... "relaxed"... no air defense..." all friends., colleagues and partners" -..“establish contact with them and..provide..support”....there are no words..or maybe I’m already out of my mind in my old age?

[Alexey RA]

Quote: ancient

Alexey..so everyone who had Afghan experience has long been either retired or.....the kingdom of heaven to them..and HTO is now teaching tactics in ZHUGARINKA......knows him, although in the photo there is a movie.." speakers" and reporters" are all completely Honored and Snipers

So, in addition to people with experience, there are documents that are often drawn up by them. The analogy with Afghanistan in Syria is just asking for it - only instead of Pakistan we have Turkey. Well, it was worth watching - how were these issues resolved earlier?

YOKLMN, when will we stop running around on the rake? Every time in a local war, we first forget about the experience of previous wars, and only, having received the tinsel, do we turn to the experience of past wars. In Finland, in Afghanistan, in Chechnya. EMNIP, uv. M.N. Svirin wrote that the First Chechen War began to take documents on the storming of Berlin from the archives only in 1995.

[perm23]

And I wanted to ask you as an expert. And what can the S-300 and S-400 cover? in such a situation. Quick approach of the F-16 strike and escape.

[perm23]

You don’t, but at headquarters you seem to have relaxed completely.

[kuz363]

So the documents are in the archives. Computers were still a rarity back then. Too lazy to read.

[perm23]

It seems they wrote earlier that there are Mig-31s in Syria. Where are they?

[LetterKsi]

This video by Marat Musin filmed the rescue operation of a helicopter crew

[Alexey-74]

The Turks, like shameful creatures, hide behind the NATO bloc... Erdogan is personally called to account and this is the work of our special services. Well, now ours just need to make a retaliatory move....

[Apsit]

Quote: Cetegg

He quickly changed his shoes!

White slippers will suit him.

[BLACK-SHARK-64]

stinking, circumcised to the very neck of the bastard!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[stroybat ZABVO]

find the Turk, shoot him down, don’t take him prisoner. All.

[Valiych]

The author writes everything correctly. But none of “ours” paid any attention to why the ever-dodging United States so quickly signed a document “on flight rules and crash cases...” and Kerry hinted that this should have alerted, but no, as always, ours believed, and here's the result. I think the lesson is quite serious and the right conclusion has been made. The S-400 and everything else will now take effect. Only the Force is respected and feared by spiteful critics, and the Aerospace Forces and other assets of the Russian Armed Forces will respond through these mountainous places filled with hatred, and will answer for our guys!

[SIMM]

YES!!!
Only memory, like a fish - 3 SECONDS!

[OML]

I agree a lot!!!

[rope]

Türkiye warned 3 times

[The same LECH]

Türkiye warned 3 times

What do you mean warned... the Turks know very well what is happening in SYRIA and could have approached our command with any demands or requests... but they chose to shoot down our plane... well, that means that in relation to Turkish planes there will now be exactly the same answer ....
at the slightest threat to our planes, retaliatory measures will now be taken...don’t blame the Turks if anything happens...it will be your own fault.

[luiswoo]

Quote: Same LECH

What do you mean warned... the Turks know very well what is happening in SYRIA and could have approached our command with any demands or requests... but they chose to shoot down our plane... well, that means that in relation to Turkish planes there will now be exactly the same answer ....
at the slightest threat to our planes, retaliatory measures will now be taken...don’t blame the Turks if anything happens...it will be your own fault.

The tracks clearly show that the fighter was waiting for an opportune moment, spinning on a small patch in order to catch the moment of crossing this patch. The tape, citing Reuters, reports that they did not succeed - they shot it down over Syria. “They warned” is not even funny, they were preparing for this.

[abrakadabre]

at the slightest threat to our planes, retaliatory measures will now be taken...don’t blame the Turks if anything happens...it will be your own fault.

And it should happen not at the slightest threat, but at every fact of appearance in the vicinity of our aircraft. Even if it is 70-100 km and before creating a threat, you still have to fly and fly.
Preventively and with an indication that they themselves opened the way for such an approach.
And to the bleating of the Turks that the plane was unidentified, respond with an official note that apologies in this vein are not accepted and are considered as a mockery.

[NordUral]

It flashed yesterday - a no-fly zone in Syria in this area, along the entire border with the Turks. And then shoot down without ceremony.

[mad]

Türkiye warned 3 times

It's like taking seriously the yelping of a small, angry mongrel... only now she's bitten you painfully on the leg, and you'll have to kick him painfully.

[fyvaprold]

Quote: mad

It's like taking seriously the yelping of a small, angry mongrel... only now she's bitten you painfully on the leg, and you'll have to kick him painfully.

In Rus', it is customary to kill mad dogs with a stick. Sincerely.

[Andrey Yurievich]

Quote: rope

Türkiye warned 3 times

and we won't warn you...

[V.ic]

Quote: rope

Türkiye warned 3 times

"rope", I'm in the picture: to empty no hand is applied to the head.

[nekot]

Did you post a photo of the future corpse?))

[Dali]

Quote: rope

Türkiye warned 3 times

Is there concrete evidence?

And the General Staff of the Russian Federation claims that there was not a single warning...

And the Turks cannot provide any confirmation of what they warned!!! Because there is nothing to show them!!!

[rope]

Turkey has warned Russia repeatedly - if you violate our airspace, we will shoot down planes (http://lenta.ru/news/2015/10/17/shootdown/) you got yours

[esaull]

Well, I think that Greece and Armenia have already warned Turkey many times, and the Kurds are not only warning, now they will suddenly have man-portable air defense systems, cornets, vampires and many other interesting things, and they will begin to successfully land Turkey, in vain the Turks joined ISIS and did such meanness to a country that did not wish them harm but was only friends before that

[Turkir]

Where did you get the idea that there was a violation of space?
Did Erdogan tell you?

[Alexey RA]

Quote: rope

Turkey has warned Russia repeatedly - if you violate our airspace, we will shoot down planes (http://lenta.ru/news/2015/10/17/shootdown/) you got yours

A short-term violation of the air border can never be a reason for an attack

(c) a certain Recep Erdogan

[Olkass]

Quote: rope

Turkey has warned Russia repeatedly - if you violate our airspace, we will shoot down planes (http://lenta.ru/news/2015/10/17/shootdown/) you got yours

Why are you so happy?
Do you think you have long left before the massacre?
And who do you think will convert the “advanced” Kazakhs to the “true” faith? That's right, those whom Russia is now hammering in Syria.
And by and large, who in your diocese are the owners of factories, mines, and ships? Kazakhs? Americans have been in charge of your village for a long time. And they have long dreamed of pitting the south of your republic against the north.
Or am I wrong?
Get it on your nose - God forbid Nazarbaich leaves, you will cry.

[Olkass]

Quote: rope

Turkey has warned Russia repeatedly - if you violate our airspace, we will shoot down planes (http://lenta.ru/news/2015/10/17/shootdown/) you got yours

Why are you so happy?
Do you think you have long left before the massacre?
And who do you think will convert the “advanced” Kazakhs to the “true” faith? That's right, those whom Russia is now hammering in Syria.
And by and large, who in your diocese are the owners of factories, mines, and ships? Kazakhs? Americans have been in charge of your village for a long time. And they have long dreamed of pitting the south of your republic against the north.
Or am I wrong?
Get it on your nose - God forbid Nazarbaich leaves, you will cry.

[kuz363]

We need to kick this Kanat out of Military Review! There's no place for people like that here. And the editors request to block his address. Let him read the Turkish press

[dzeredzyavkomimu]

It’s not necessary, why, it’s more fun with clowns, let him..be smart..

[perm23]

Don't be happy. You'll get yours too

[esaul1950]

The name of the F-16 pilot, and imminent, imminent DEATH. Sudoplatov's grandchildren are alive!

[Falcon]

Quote: rope

Türkiye warned 3 times

In general, the officer died.

This is about you and VO:

[ydjin]

Give the civilians 48 hours to evacuate, and then carpet bomb the border areas! Let Allah decide in heaven who is a sinner and who is a righteous man! Sorry for the harshness, it's boiling!

[Alexander Romanov]

But in general, I think that he might not do the standard thing, buy for X lards from Syria the land along the entire border with Turkey, about ten kilometers wide. Assad, I think, will not mind at all. The global Western community will have its jaws dropped, Erdogan will generally go nuts. And then A kick in the ass to everyone from the new territory of the Russian Federation.

[Minstrel]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

buy land from Syria along the entire border with Turkey for X lard

Don't buy it - it's better to rent it. For 99 years, for example. This is a more realistic option.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Minstrel

Don't buy it - it's better to rent it. For 99 years, for example. This is a more realistic option.

I support

[perm23]

SUPER or even let Syria want to become part of Russia. No, it’s true that renting land is buying land - this is a super plan and you can’t find fault with it.

[Cap.Morgan]

We already included Georgia, and also Turkmenistan. Nafig, nafig...

[Siegen]

let Syria want to become part of Russia

The Supreme Mufti of Russia Talgat Tadzhuddin proposed to Vladimir Putin to treat Syria and Israel as with Crimea.

Peskov took it as a joke.
But every joke has its share of jokes...

But what does Israel have to do with it?

[Captain45]

Quote: Siegen

But what does Israel have to do with it?

We missed Golda Meir's place,
and there is a quarter of our former people. (c) V.S. Vysotsky

[Monetniy]

Now that would be a turnaround!!!

[Kaccad]

You can even not buy, but rent for three years: for “agricultural cultivation of the land, as part of the import substitution program.” And what kind of “tractors” and “binder binders” will cost no one... t,... well This is how we are collective farmers, no matter what we do AKM, it turns out

[passerby1]

We’ve already wiped ourselves off and pretend that everything is ok, we just stopped cooperation along the “military line” and we sit around, and you “buy us out”, “a kick in the ass.” It turns out that membership in NATO comes with a free bonus in the form of the ability to shoot down Russian planes and kill pilots with impunity, and we will stop cooperation on the “military line.”

[Apsit]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

act outside the standard

I give it a thumbs up. Drive this territory to all jackals like a bone in the throat

[Serg Koma]

and then carpet bombing of border areas

If these are the border territories of Turkey - there is a war, but the border territories of Syria, working so that no one with a machine gun can hide (or rather, so that there is NO WHERE to hide) is probably adequate. Moreover, they THEMSELVES confirmed (video of the shooting of paratroopers) their loyalty to ISIS by speaking out (armedly) against the Russian coalition in Syria.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Serg Koma

. Moreover, they THEMSELVES confirmed (video of the shooting of paratroopers) their loyalty to ISIS,

And they have defenders

[perm23]

And Russian pilots have the right to defend themselves.

[Oleg14774]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

And they have defenders

Let's see what the Americans will sing when their pilots are killed. But there is such a chance!

[silver_roman]

I remember the Japanese tried to bomb their sailors (they tried successfully), it ended EXTREMELY PATTERNLY for the Japs. I think if the Turks had shot down the Yankees’ aircraft, the consequences would have been YESTERDAY and Erdogan would have eaten the ties.

[Turkir]

It’s a pity that ALL captured American pilots were not killed in Vietnam.
We will now know what to do with them.

[dzeredzyavkomimu]

Well then, the Afghan Taliban have the same wish

[VladimirRG]

The last thing in the article is the most correct.

[DEMENTIY]

Quote: VladimirRG

The last thing in the article is the most correct.

This? "Burn everyone out..."!?
Read with old people, women and children! And let God sort it out? And I thought that a Russian was different from a mattress maker, a burgher, a sir, etc. democratizer...

[tankist epta]

in this case everyone

[esaull]

Russians do not fight children and women

[I am]

And we will warn them 45 minutes in advance......

[I am]

Exactly everyone! maybe EVERYONE is a little too much, although...... but the air base from which this f-16 took off definitely needs to be multiplied by zero. But not with a tactical weapon - it will be fat. vacuum and/or thermobaric ammunition. And that would be fair and correct!!!!!!

[VNP1958PVN]

A prepared provocation, definitely. Even to shoot a detailed video, you have to sit and wait! Just like the F-16 was loitering in ambush. In short, the Turks opened a war on the side of ISIS (or rather, for their stolen oil)!

[Kovlad]

My opinion is the same.
And yet, I was waiting for Assad’s statement as the legitimate “still president” of Syria: The sky over Syria belongs to Syria, flights over Syria can only be carried out with the permission of the Syrian government, all others will be shot down by SYRIAN air defense and aviation! But Assad is silent.

[Oleg14774]

Quote: Kovlad

But Assad is silent.

Assad has said this more than once, he is not a parrot, VVP and Shoigu should speak, and speak with actions. Assad shouldn’t be dragged into this!

[Kovlad]

When and what did Assad say in this particular case? An allied warplane was shot down in the skies of Syria. And the President of Syria must voice his position quite firmly.

[parusnik]

There is nothing special to comment on, I agree with the author, God willing, for now there is at least a little hope that one of the pilots... will remain alive... I still hope..

[The same LECH]

There is nothing special to comment on, I agree with the author, God willing, for now there is at least a little hope that one of the pilots... will remain alive... I still hope..

The co-pilot is alive and most importantly safe... the news is already spreading through the media

[Glot]

I think this cannot be left unanswered!!!
Otherwise, as they say, “we’ll lose face.” Let's see how they respond.
It is clear that the Turks themselves would not do this.
They were given a command, they were waiting for a suitable plane in a suitable place. They waited... In general, they are dirty tricks.
Although I personally am not surprised. This was expected. And our videoconferencing must draw conclusions for themselves. You shouldn't relax IN WAR.

[ivan48857]

I completely agree with the last paragraph, especially since we have the strength and means. To be fair, I want something more. This cannot be forgiven.

[tommy717]

Russian Spring reports that Syrian paratroopers rescued the second pilot and took him to the air base. Now you can give the go-ahead to create a lunar landscape on the border with the Turks.

[hohryakov066]

The reaction has already begun along the diplomatic line. I will not undertake to predict Russia's actions. Most likely, Turkey will greatly regret its actions. I consider the author’s idea about the sanitary cleansing of the area to be absolutely correct. Unfortunately, the killed pilot cannot be returned. Eternal memory to the Warrior who died defending the interests of his Motherland!

[Wild_Grey_Wolf]

Turkey pretends to be a European state, but in reality it uses barbaric methods, like an arrogant petty Sheikh. . .

[perm23]

Eternal memory and gratitude to the guys. And the most important thing is not to forget and not to forgive.

[sa-zz]

I don’t know whether it’s true or not, the information appeared on the Lebanese TV channel Al Mayadeen that the second pilot of the Su-24 was rescued by the Syrian military after a six-hour search, they were taken out of the zone for two hours and it seems that he is now at the Russian air base.
I pray it's true. No off information. I feel very sorry for the lost Pilot and Paratrooper.

[Insurgent LPR]

the deceased guard pilot, Major Rumyantsev, the second pilot was evacuated. The eternal memory of the hero pilot is important that his death was not in vain, revenge is a dish that must be served cold.

[Oleg14774]

Quote: Insurgent LPR

.The eternal memory of the heroic pilot is important so that his death is not in vain, revenge is a dish that should be served cold.

Any death for money and for someone’s interests is in vain. Since the interests of someone else and the death of people have nothing to do with these interests. Now, if whose interests these were were to perish, then yes.

[Evgeniy667b]

There was a message that one of the Su-24 pilots was rescued by the Syrian military and is at the Khmeimim airbase. God grant that this is really so.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Evgeniy667b

There was a message that one of the Su-24 pilots was rescued by the Syrian military and is at the Khmeimim airbase. God grant that this is really so.

Apart from the Russian Spring, this message was not available anywhere. If they had saved it, they would have already reported it everywhere.

[CON]

God grant that this is true!!!

[AYUJAK]

"2. Why, after the disaster, were Mi-8 helicopters sent to the crash square? After all, it was known that the area was controlled by Turkoman gangs. As a result, the death of our soldier and the loss of one helicopter. If instead of the Mi-8, the bearded scum would have seen the Mi-24 , the situation would have been completely different."

The footage showed that the Mi-8 and a couple of crocodiles were walking towards the crash site. Then a shot like from Tow, the bearded one finished off a standing MI-8 with the engine turned off.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: AYUJAK

"2. Why were Mi-8 helicopters sent to the crash site after the disaster?

They flew to save the pilots.

Quote: AYUJAK

If instead of the Mi-8 the bearded bastards had seen the Mi-24, the situation would have been completely different."

MI 24 were there too

[Flatter]

The Su24 pilots actually landed on the front line of contact between the Syrians and ISIS. Major bad luck. Nevertheless, there were a minimum of casualties. We must pay tribute to the courage of the Russian and Syrian rescuers.

[Nikolay71]

I agree that many questions remain. I hope that at least the co-pilot is alive. I think the answer will come from an unexpected direction.

[Tatar 174]

Carpet bombing of the area will not achieve anything; the people who will suffer are not those who must respond. We need to do something smarter here. There is no need to list all the methods and I think that everything will be done as it should. Why didn't we expect meanness from the Turks? Trusted. This once again proves that NATO organized crime groups should never be trusted.

[Shark lover]

Absolutely agree. Everyone is waiting for something like this. Revenge must be sophisticated (not sadistic), sophisticated in the spirit of “the east is a delicate matter,” in the style of the President. so that they piss in anticipation, in anticipation.

[The same LECH]

It seems that the presence of so many bandits in the area where they fell came as something of a surprise. What is this, excessive trust in information from “partners” or a flaw in intelligence?

I have already said that excessive trust in war costs us too much...
Turkey is a member of NATO...and NATO is our potential enemy and the Turks have once again confirmed a simple truth with a stab in our back...
We cannot relax for a second with our potential enemy... the price to pay for this is the death of our people.

[miv110]

NATO is not a potential but a real enemy! It's time to get rid of illusions! All recent events are further confirmation of this.

[Giovanni]

“It seems that our command was not prepared both for such a situation and for its consequences. I agree that no one expected such meanness from the Turks.”

Actually, the Ministry of Defense exists in order not only to expect ANY meanness, but also respond to them adequately and in a timely manner! No matter who they came from. Alas for our Defense Ministry, alas... Again, damn it, the generals ruined the guys...

[sevgeniy]

Good analysis. To wet, but having thought through everything.

[Mik13]

1. Why did our Su-24M act alone? Not paired, without fighter cover? Perhaps he was in "free hunting" mode. But this does not remove some of the feeling of a frivolous attitude towards what is happening.

He was struck by a rocket with a TGSN in pursuit. Moreover, during the landing approach. There's an airfield nearby.
The most likely scenario is that the F-16 approaches the rendezvous point based on ground radar data, establishes visual contact, and launches. In this case, the crew will learn about the attack only after being hit by the missile.

In place of the Su-24 there could be a Su-30, or a Su-35, or even a PAK FA. It wouldn't change anything in this situation. It’s just that no one expected such an idiotic act from Turkey.

[perm23]

You are probably right, when there is an unexpected blow from the back, even though you are a super champion, it will not help. Here our Defense Ministry should have warned the pilots that the enemy was nearby.

[Bayonet]

Quote: perm23

Here our Defense Ministry had to warn the pilots that the enemy was nearby.

Well, this is not a kindergarten! In a war zone, the enemy can be expected from any side!

[ancient]

Quote: perm23

, When an unexpected blow comes from behind, even though you’re a super champion, it won’t help

Yeah.. "hop-stop..we came from around the corner"...write such crap..where are we..at a WAR or another..SHOW..with "bombs and shooters" to enthusiastic exclamations spectators?

[Bayonet]

Quote: Mik13

In this case, the crew will learn about the attack only after being hit by the missile.

Su-24 yes, 24M no - it is equipped with the BKO-2 Karpaty airborne defense system. It includes the SPO-15M “Bereza” (radar irradiation warning system), the Mak-UL missile launch warning heat direction finder (designed to determine the launch and approach of an enemy missile by its thermal trace), the SPS-161/162 electronic warfare station “Geranium” (protection of front-line aviation aircraft from radio-controlled air-to-air, ground-to-air weapons by suppressing enemy radio electronics in the centimeter wave range) and equipment for shooting DO (Doppler reflectors) and LTC (false thermal targets). The shooting equipment is interfaced with the systems of the airborne defense complex and in some cases their use is automated, depending on the nature of the threat.

[avva2012]

Question for a person who clearly understands the Air Force. Tell me, can a pilot actually figure out where the air border of another state is? Is there any specific equipment on the plane? Maybe the messages are coming from the ground, “We see it on the radar, you flew into the wrong place?” Thank you.

[ancient]

Quote: Bayonet

It includes SPO-15M "Bereza" (radar warning system)

Sasha..in principle, “Birch” is..a “poultice for the dead”..reacts to everything and everyone..that.. “radiates”.
"Mac" yes...
I won’t talk about the rest... LTC against new missiles with TGSN....not great anymore

[ancient]

Quote: Mik13

establishes visual contact, launches. In this case, the crew will learn about the attack only after being hit by a missile.

Study the principle of operation of MAK-UT and.. then you won’t “look stupid” with your.. “pearls”

well, it’s clear...ours didn’t have “free fighters” , and “free radar stations” and “BU officers” are the same...suddenly they left for..“lunch”?

Well, that’s right... whoever is at the air darts.. "is counteracting"

[Lex69Rus]

For all my indignation, Türkiye made it clear a month ago that it would not tolerate violation of its airspace this time. Türkiye is the second largest NATO country in terms of army size, and many believe that in terms of overall potential the same is two. We unceremoniously humiliated Turkey with our actions on the border and generally ignore its protests, at least regarding the same Turkmens. Only a few days ago, Türkiye protested quite harshly against the bombing of the Turkmens. And after all this, our planes calmly fly to bomb the same Turkmens, and they actually act right next to the Turkish border, from the word less than 1 km, and many experts say that in such a situation it is more than possible to violate space for a short time. And what? Instead of carefully weighing the risks and either not using aviation right next to the border, or if there is a need to cover the bombers with fighters. But no, this is not for our smart and professional military. And now we have what we have, and of course it was all sudden and a stab in the back, although the Turks plainly said we would shoot down the violators. I feel sorry for the lost pilots and Marine soldier in this situation. I wish our military to better analyze the situation in the future and not be so stupid or naive.

[The same LECH]

And after all this, our planes calmly fly to bomb the same Turkmen

Well, actually, not Turkmens, but terrorists... (terrorists have no nationality... they are generally outlawed)
The mistake of our VKS stems from excessive trust in the decency of the Turks... but ERDOGAN and DAVUTOGLU turned out to be scoundrels and nothing can be corrected here.

We must now do business with the Turks, given that they can plunge a dagger into our backs...this is the reality.

[Lex69Rus]

Dear, what kind of decency and gullibility? A month ago, after a violation of Turkish airspace, Perdogan raised a scandal, stating openly that Turkey would not tolerate a violation of its space! How else can these words be interpreted? Laugh at the Turks, what kind of fools are threatening us here and we are so cool and we don’t give a damn? These are the comments that were here. Moreover, a week later, a drone was shot down and this is another even more serious warning. And they laughed again, oh, how funny Erdogan is and how funny. We finished laughing. And now they whine that all this, of course, was sudden. Imagine that a man points a gun at you and says this: if you cross the threshold of my house or even step on it, I will shoot you, and after that you step on this threshold and he suddenly shoots at you, how come it’s so unexpected! I’m not saying that there’s no need to bomb right there on the border, but if that was the case, it was necessary to take all precautions, and it’s better to use artillery near the border!

[The same LECH]

A month ago, after a violation of Turkish airspace, Perdogan raised a scandal, stating openly that Turkey would not tolerate a violation of its space!

Actually, there was an agreement with the United States and its vassals to prevent such incidents
and the Turks could well have avoided this scandal by contacting our command.

Following on from your example...
imagine that your neighbor is fighting with a bandit whom you support behind the scenes, and when the neighbor turns up at your threshold without crossing it... you shoot at him and then, making innocent eyes, declare to the whole world that you did not know who you were shooting at... this and is called a stab in the back.

Now they won’t show you their back... because it will be covered by the air defense of the cruiser MOSCOW....
This is how I see the layout of this story.

[miv110]

Turkey has never been white and fluffy, its sophisticated policies have cost us more than one war and a lot of blood, often at the hands of its “protectors.” So, nothing surprising. But in real politics it is never possible to relax - otherwise you will lose.

[Cap.Morgan]

It is not very clear why Türkiye is extending its sovereignty to Syrian territory.
You also forget that the Turkish military is committing atrocities on the territory of Kurdistan.
For many years now. And the Turkish army no longer exists. Half of it was killed in battle.

[cloud]

and not be so stupid or naive.

Is it okay that it (Türkiye) is actively collaborating with ISIS? No matter how cynically, we can’t think of a better reason to give a free hand to a country that sponsors terrorism, even if it is a NATO member. NATO is already actively disavowing Erdogan’s actions. No one wants to “harness” for him... The trouble has begun...

[shinobi]

Who were the Turks supporting? So clear them out to zero for a start. And then shoot everyone and everything who moves from or to the border with Turkey.

[Uncle Lee]

The author correctly raised questions about the flight safety of our bombers - this is a shortcoming of our command. And the loss of the helicopter and the death of the Marine are also on their conscience. The Russian incident turned out to be the death of our guys!

[Ruslan67]

Quote: Uncle Lee

The flight safety issues of our bombers are a shortcoming of our command.

In Vesti.doc, at approximately 2.30 am Moscow time, Klintsevich explained in Russian why there were no fighters. Take an interest

[Bayonet]

Quote: Uncle Lee

. The Russian incident turned out to be the death of our guys!

And perhaps, and the lack of real combat experience, and in war this is acquired, unfortunately, through losses and blood.

[VadimSh]

Yes, it's boiling. it's time to bring up the S-400

[Siegen]

Yes, it's boiling. it's time to bring up the S-400

The Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation ordered the S-400 long-range anti-aircraft missile system to be placed on combat duty at the Russian air base in Syria "Khmeimim"

The cruiser "Moscow" will occupy the area near Latakia to strengthen air defense.
The cruiser is equipped with the Fort air defense system, similar to the S-300

[On foot]

shoot down a couple of Turks near the border with Syria, say that they violated it, but it seems to me that not a single Turk will take off in the near future, they will sit like rats on airfields.

[magician]

burn down the area so that others won’t even raise their eyes to the sky.

[Humpty]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

But in general, I think that he might not do the standard thing, buy for X lards from Syria the land along the entire border with Turkey, about ten kilometers wide. Assad, I think, will not mind at all. The global Western community will have its jaws dropped, Erdogan will generally go nuts. And then A kick in the ass to everyone from the new territory of the Russian Federation.

An interesting decision, but in order to avoid a shadow of indignation among the allied part of the Syrian population, perhaps it would be better to take these territories on a long-term lease.
But without a full-fledged ground operation of the Russian army, this is impossible.

[Mik13]

2. Why were Mi-8 helicopters sent to the crash site after the disaster?

After all, it was known that the area was controlled by Turkoman gangs. The result was the death of our soldier and the loss of one helicopter. If instead of the Mi-8 the bearded bastards had seen the Mi-24, the situation would have been completely different. 3. It seems that the presence of so many bandits in the area of ​​the fall was somewhat of a surprise. What is this, excessive trust in information from “partners” or a flaw in intelligence?

The fact that they control the area does not mean at all that they are sitting under every bush there. It is most likely that the pilot will be shot at in the air, but they simply will not have time to get to the crash site before the PSS arrives.
In extreme cases, the Mi-8 will pick up, the Mi-24 will be covered.
So, most likely, the ambush was carried out not only on the plane, but also on the PSS group.

The Mi-24 is not capable of picking up a pilot from the ground while hovering - only with landing, which is practically impossible in the mountains. By the way, he doesn’t even know how to hang.

Therefore, PSS is Mi-8. By the way, he is not a dove of peace either. If the range allows, the Mi-24 will cover the flight; if not, a pair of Mi-8 will go.

[Dumph]

What nonsense about the Mi-24?
This is an air assault helicopter. He can do everything. And the PSS group and helicopters were definitely waiting. By the way, this is in favor of the version of an impending provocation. And how bravely the bearded men brought down the abandoned Mi-8. If in a real battle he had been preparing the ATGM for so long, I’m afraid to even guess the diameter of the crater in the same place.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Dumph

What nonsense about the Mi-24? This is an air assault helicopter. He can do everything.

He can. The question is - with what load.
With standard 4*B-8V20 + ammunition for the Mi-24P cannon, back in Afghanistan they took off “like an airplane,” with a running start.

[Bayonet]

Quote: Mik13

By the way, he doesn’t even know how to hang.

He can. The static ceiling of the Mi-24 is 1400-1500 meters.

[shimus]

Quote: Cetegg

He quickly changed his shoes!

FUCK HIM!!! Or better yet, "CALIBR".

[rope]

how everything got so hot in the comments)

[esaull]

When they drop a couple or three Turkish F16s it will get a little warmer)

[shimus]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

But in general, I think that he might not do the standard thing, buy for X lards from Syria the land along the entire border with Turkey, about ten kilometers wide. Assad, I think, will not mind at all. The global Western community will have its jaws dropped, Erdogan will generally go nuts. And then A kick in the ass to everyone from the new territory of the Russian Federation.

But why buy it, rent it to account for the military assistance that Russia is providing to Syria and that’s it! And then install the S-300, "Pantsyr" and so on. And from super-powerful loudspeakers directed towards Turkey, broadcast the text “Turks, surrender, you are surrounded, any resistance is pointless...”

[Uncle Lee]

"Hands behind your head, weapons on the snow! Let's go!....And now hunchback, I said - hunchback!"

[Reptiloid]

Eternal Memory to the deceased Russian Pilot. Vile planned murder.

Quote: hohryakov066

The reaction has already begun along the diplomatic line. I will not undertake to predict Russia's actions. Most likely, Turkey will greatly regret its actions. I consider the author’s idea about the sanitary cleansing of the area to be absolutely correct. Unfortunately, the killed pilot cannot be returned. Eternal memory to the Warrior who died defending the interests of his Motherland!

They are indicatively attacking Russia in different directions.

[esaull]

They are no longer just attacking us, they are already testing Russia in the military and political aspects

[Darkness]

Who can tell me what part of Turkey’s budget comes from tourism?
There is a feeling that these freaks don’t even need to be bombed. Without Russian tourists, they will die themselves.

[Gani]

Hello.
It’s a naive feeling.1 Our tourists there seem to be less than 20% of the total number, so even the tourism sector won’t kill them, let alone the economy. 2 Turkey's economy is sufficiently developed and diversified to survive the complete absence of tourism on its territory. Another thing is that, in addition to the tourism sector, there are many areas where there are close economic ties

[For Courage]

Well, let’s say minus our 20%%, and the rest, like 80%%, will happily go to the conflict zone?!

[Monetniy]

Somehow they used to live under the USSR without our tourists, but I will support the ban on tourism there

[Cap.Morgan]

The same as from the sale of thousands of tons of various junk to Russia.

[Turkir]

Who can tell me what part of Turkey’s budget comes from tourism?

They have two main flows of tourists: Germany and the Russian Federation.
The income from tourists from the Russian Federation is over three billion. This is judging by the declarations, but only God knows how much shadow income there is. Our tourists actually feed these...
I don’t want to write about other aspects of this phenomenon.
It would be better if they spent it in their own country. But, as the famous prose writer wrote, “Let Dunka go to Europe!”
The Germans are unlikely to travel to Turkey in the same numbers, and not because of us. The threat of terrorist attacks in Turkey has increased sharply. They will lose much more than local commentators and statistics buffs assume.
I would also like to add about Turkish tomatoes - they grow in almost a day.
Anything to think about here?

[Nimp]

Yes, the SU-30, SU-35 are too tough for the F16! Why didn't they accompany ours? Why was MI-8 sent to search for the pilots? I really want debriefings. At least for the sake of ensuring that such shame would no longer exist.

[Darkness]

Probably because the "moderate opposition had neither aviation nor heavy surface-to-air weapons"

[V.ic]

Quote: Nimp

I really want debriefings.

You took part in their preparation and implementation = then you have the right to participate in the analysis. If you were not involved in any way in carrying out the combat mission, then your business is a side. From my experience serving in aviation combat units, I don’t remember the presence of strangers at the debriefing.

[rotmistr60]

The Su-24 was not equipped with a missile launch detection system

If there was such a statement, it is quite strange.
Regarding the response yesterday in "Vesti24" Satanovsky said well. The point is this: it is necessary to instill fear of Russia among the Turkomans for several generations and discourage hostile actions against it. To do this, burn down the area along the border where they live.

[perm23]

That’s right, no matter how much I listen to Satanovsky, I’m always happy - well done. You can’t deal with freaks any other way. In the video you can see everyone in camouflage and armed. These are not civilians - these are bandits.

[Mera Joota]

After watching and reading everything I could, I noticed some really strange nuances.

I didn’t look carefully because the interception was carried out by TWO Turkish F-16s, and the bombing was carried out by TWO Su-24s.

1. Why did our Su-24M act alone? Not paired, without fighter cover?

There were two of them, a couple flew out for the bombing, this was not the first time they had flown, and before everything had worked out well, that’s why there was no cover. Typical Russian "undercooked rooster". It’s strange that Roman had such a question...

2. Why were Mi-8 helicopters sent to the crash site after the disaster?

Wangyu, there was a conversation like this:
-Urgently...!!!!!!!! Send a couple of turntables for evacuation!
-So how can we do without support? You need a couple of crocodiles to provide for it, but the bearded ones will kill you?
-Where the hell am I...!!!!! Now I’ll take the crocodiles, fly like that, I have orders! Do you know who gave it to him?

3. It seems that the presence of so many bandits in the area of ​​the fall was somewhat of a surprise.

Come on, who was the Su-24 erased into dust then? Do you think the pilots were sent to just waste bombs?

4. It was stated that the Su-24 was not equipped with a missile launch detection system. No comments at all. The pilots were virtually unarmed against any attack.

Complete crap. Su-24 shot down AIM-9 Sidewinder. There are no means in the world yet to warn of an attack by a missile with a TGSN.

[Viktor fm]

The means do not prevent the missile, but radiation. so the pilot learn the materiel

[Mera Joota]

Quote: Viktor fm

The means do not prevent the missile, but radiation. so the pilot learn the materiel

ufff...another teacher...
To guide a missile with a TGSN, you do not need to use a radar; target acquisition is carried out by the OLS, which DOES NOT emit anything, or by the TGSN of the missile itself, which also DOES NOT emit anything.

[Viktor fm]

and for this there are heat traps that the plane must shoot regularly

[Mera Joota]

Quote: Viktor fm

and for this there are heat traps that the plane must shoot regularly

Thermal traps are not endless and they are fired when an attack is expected; our pilots did not expect it because they did not see the Turkish F-16 as a threat.
Well, the most important thing. Modern missiles with TGSN have not responded to heat traps for a long time because guidance is carried out through at least two channels, and the latest modifications already operate through three channels.

[ancient]

Quote: Mera Joota

ufff...another teacher...

Well, yes... but the rocket flies due to the thrust of its engine... which leaves a thermal trace to which the MAC reacts

[ancient]

Quote: Viktor fm

The means do not prevent the missile, but radiation.

The tools just warn about radiation in the Review and Capture mode... and then... the heading angle or azimuth (as you wish or angle... from where the “gift” is flying towards you and at what range it is already located.
And MAC in general... only for ROCKET... "specialized"

[Mera Joota]

We have what we have.
A Turkish fighter jumped out of its airspace and launched a missile at our plane. These facts indicate only one thing: we are dealing with a pre-planned (and not bad) operation. Everything that the Turks can offer as arguments will look like unsubstantiated babble. They wanted to shoot down our plane, they shot it down.

More nonsense. Any country scrambles fighter jets when a military aircraft of ANY kind appears near its air borders. And even more so when these planes are involved in an armed conflict. This rule applies to all countries with air forces. Ours knew perfectly well that the Turkish Air Force was hovering nearby and watching them, they simply could not help but know. Ours simply did not assume that they would intervene; they believed that the next “Turkish warning” was the same as the next “Chinese warning”. But the Turks thought in their own way.

P.S:

It’s a shame that the guys didn’t know that they would be killed. It’s a shame that they didn’t know that they would be shot at like targets by stinking bearded monkeys who only know how to pull the trigger of an AK and yell “Allahakbar.”

The attitude towards downed bomber pilots has always been extremely negative, especially in such wars. It is quite naive to expect humanity from people whose houses a minute ago were blown to dust by Su-24s.

[Glock]

Kill all moderate Turkomans or whatever they are called

[Miran]

America, represented by NATO, declared war on us, the Turks are an instrument, whether we are ready for this war or not does not matter - we will have to fight. Now the creatures who stirred up all this behind a puddle will disown themselves, hoping that they will not be affected and they, as has happened in history, will only receive preferences. All we can do is rebuild the country on a war footing and calmly, consistently try to prepare and delay the hot phase. In fact, the GDP has already warned them many times that they won’t be able to sit like a monkey on a tree, but they pretend that they don’t understand. Unfortunately, we are left with no other choice but to be the first to strike overseas.

[demotivator]

Quote: Vita VKO

Erdogan warned that he would shoot down Russian planes.

And even before Erdogan, J. Kerry also said that Russians would soon see their planes falling from the sky. Why are we so careless? We must understand who we are dealing with, whether it is the United States or Turkey, with which Russia has long-standing historical disputes. It's a shame.

[qwert]

I would like to hear on the site the opinion of our colleagues from the Promised Land. After all, Israel has more experience in modern warfare. How they assess the situation, including the organization of flights.

[Ramses_IV]

No matter how cynical it sounds, it’s funny to read comments from local “Uryashki” that in light of these sad events for us in the border territory of Turkey with Syria, we need to burn everything with nuclear bombs, start a war with Turkey and all that - it’s funny in that sense, that just a little while ago the same “Uryashki” gave a standing ovation to the same Erdogan regarding the “Turkish flow” and Turkey’s “inflexible position” on the issue of cooperation with Russia, despite the opinion of the United States and Europe.

Dear Uryashki (I’m talking about those who recently sang odes to Erodogan, and now want to burn half of Turkey) - what the government and the Russian Defense Ministry should do in connection with this regrettable event is not a matter of your competence: believe me, THEY will sort it out without you.

And comments with proposals to burn everything there with napalm should be rubbed out, and their authors should be banned, for a short time to begin with. I hope it's clear why. Of course, the Turks will bear responsibility for their actions in one form or another, and now the Aerospace Forces in Syria will change tactics and will counteract such antics, even to the point of symmetrical responses.

Congratulations to the pilots; the guys did their duty.

[Andryukha]

I'd like to hear one more statement. That in those mountains, from where the bullets rushed towards our pilots, there was nothing alive left. Burn everyone out, as they proposed to do with our killed pilot. And let their Allah figure out who is the mujahid and who is not.

It too. Moreover, this will not hit the leadership of IS-Türkiye. Women and children will die, which will give a reason to expose us as Iblis, and the common population will fight to the last.
It is better to arrest all the tankers of this company before the tribunal and cover the scheme on RT.
Let ordinary French and Germans understand who blew them up and why.

[nivasander]

We don’t need the Turkish coast

[kuz363]

We were in Turkey in 2010, 2011, 2014. Of course, the favorable places and climate in Kemer. But I was especially annoyed by the boutique sellers who pestered me and tried to drag me in. Then they started visiting boutiques on the other side of the street when they didn’t want to buy. But we decided not to travel anymore. It became uninteresting. We experienced and saw everything - sailing on a yacht, excursions, Mount Tahtala, an aquarium in Antalya, flew on a parachute behind a boat, visited the Church of St. Nicholas (this is the same St. Nicholas, the patron saint of sailors and Santa Claus!), shot from American rifles at an army shooting range near Kemer, trout fishing...

[Zomanus]

First, get all our people out of Turkey.
Because they can simply swim up to the beach near
one of the Turkish hotels and shoot
our tourists with machine guns.
This is in response to our scorched earth tactics.
And then press on in other directions.
Now the most important thing that we can definitely do is to zero out the supply of ISIS oil from Syria.
No one will judge us here for sure.

[kuz363]

The brave generals were euphoric from their successes and colorful reports to the president. And they lost their sense of real war, where you can’t relax. The author is right. Indeed, where was the radar radiation detection system? Where were the thermal fire traps that fly so beautifully at parades?

[maikl50jrij]

Agree! There are a lot of questions. And it’s a fact that they were waiting and catching ours! The Americans promised us a “plane crash”, so they did it! Neither Ukraine, nor Syria, nor our determination and independence can and will not forgive us! How many more pitfalls will there be... We must be prepared for all sorts of surprises.

[Cap.Morgan]

If the Americans did this, then this is stupidity.
It is unrealistic to break Russia in a direct military conflict; it can only be done from within. They have not yet been able to organize a Maidan in Russia.

[Just BB]

What was the Mi-8 doing with the engines turned off in the area of ​​the combat mission to search and rescue the aircraft crew???
Start the 1st engine for at least 30 seconds!!
“...The bullet flew by... And aha”

As always, ours is our dear ____________
Someone, due to success (especially on TV), has already prepared the entire uniform with holes, others are arranging “new furniture”...
But the war is on!
Is no one watching the airspace?
Why weren't heat traps used?
Have you calmed down?
Are you all friends? I don’t even want to write about the search operation...
Like “Who’s going to shoot us down?”

[egor670]

Mi 8 sat down after he was most likely shot from a machine gun. The crew and troops abandoned the vehicle, after which the militants arrived in time and covered the helicopter with mortar fire, it seems

[SOBR_NSK]

They hit me with a gun, as you can see in the video. but why they weren’t accompanied by crocodiles is a big question....

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Just BB

What was the Mi-8 doing with the engines turned off in the area of ​​the combat mission to search and rescue the aircraft crew???

Was abandoned by the crew after being damaged.
Apparently, ours planned to somehow repair it - otherwise the helicopter should have been destroyed. During the Afghan era, even standard instructions for this were developed:

Vehicles that could not be repaired were destroyed on the spot, which also required skill: the mutilated helicopters did not want to burn from incendiary bullets and did not explode even when hit by rocket launchers that pierced the “tin” right through. To prevent the helicopter from falling into the hands of the enemy, specially developed instructions required: “stack all surviving NAR S-5s in the cargo compartment and cockpit, bombs under the fuselage on the ground, destroy the pipelines of the fuel and hydraulic systems with impacts in the lower part of the fuselage; lay the covers soaked in kerosene in a rope length of at least 20 m, ensuring escape to a safe place."

(c) "Mi-24 in Afghanistan"

[Viktor fm]

4. "It was stated that the Su-24 was not equipped with a missile launch detection system."
When the system detects a missile launch, it will be too late. All Su-24s have a radiation warning station that precedes the detection of a missile launch. Another thing is that there were no service specialists for these stations and usually they are given little importance. And on TV they show us gunsmiths hanging bombs, and this is the hundredth part of preparing an aircraft

[Volka]

in general, the author’s correct understanding of the situation, indeed the provocation was prepared and was a success, but the flaw in it is that it was a success, and the villains’ postscript was not calculated by a step, not two, or even three, now we are waiting for the most interesting thing. .. (the Yankees and NATO are in shock, and they would rather not harness the Turks for the price, not the same)

[provincial]

From childhood, Putin was taught to strike first, but where is the strike? At least en masse on the oil industry.

[Vadim237]

Unfortunately, this round was left to Erdogan and there will be no military response from our side, everything is in words and we have demonstrated to the whole world that they can wipe their feet on us - shoot down our planes wherever you want - there will be no answer, just as there was no answer to the shelling of our border territory on the Ukrainian side in 2014, then two servicemen were killed and my grandfather was killed by a Grad missile in his own yard.

[provincial]

1. Why did our Su-24M act alone?

Not paired, without fighter cover? Perhaps he was in "free hunting" mode. But this does not remove some of the feeling of a frivolous attitude towards what is happening. 2. Why were Mi-8 helicopters sent to the crash site after the disaster?

After all, it was known that the area was controlled by Turkoman gangs. The result was the death of our soldier and the loss of one helicopter. If instead of the Mi-8 the bearded bastards had seen the Mi-24, the situation would have been completely different. 3. It seems that the presence of so many bandits in the area of ​​the fall was somewhat of a surprise.

What is this, excessive trust in information from “partners” or a flaw in intelligence? 4. It was stated that the Su-24 was not equipped with a missile launch detection system. No comments at all. The pilots were virtually unarmed against any attack.

[ibragim]

Quote: Glock

Kill all moderate Turkomans or whatever they are called

The best way is to plow up the entire territory of the Turkomans, I doubt that there are civilians there, but if there is a war there is a warrior, whoever did not hide is not our fault.

[dchegrinec]

Of course, there are quite a few questions for Major General Kanashenkov, who is responsible for the anti-terrorist campaign in Syria. Apparently we should expect a personnel decision. Discussions are already underway on all issues (it cannot be otherwise) and decisions will be made.

[eaz]

evil is not enough. really a stab in the back

[1536]

And why did the cruiser "Varyag" end up in a godforsaken Korean port almost face to face with a Japanese squadron of 12 pennants, why Suvorov was forced to save his troops in Switzerland, why the day before the start of the Great Patriotic War the planes were not sheltered and dispersed at border airfields, Why were the troops finally withdrawn from Germany within our memory?
I think from poverty. In Russia, most betrayals come from poverty, when someone lacks something. And not necessarily money. Uma too.

[xBoris]

The Turks, the terrorists - .. of course, did their job.
But !!!
Commanders are looking where and how!? The landing zone is the plane's descent - and there... no control... It's a mess! Why haven't all radars and air defenses been suppressed? Two mess! Where is the air control by fighters..? Three mess! Why the rescue operation on the Mi-8 without the cover of the Mi24..? Four mess! = after this, the head of the air operation needs to be placed on the operating table and lobotomized - it won’t get any worse anyway!!!!

[mgfly]

It’s a shame that the guys didn’t know that they would be killed.

I'm sorry, WHAT !?
the guys seemed to be at war! there they shoot, bomb and sometimes kill...

[NeRTT]

[quote=Just BB] What was the Mi-8 doing with the engines turned off in the area of ​​the combat mission to search and rescue the aircraft crew???
Start the 1st engine for at least 30 seconds!!
“...The bullet flew by... And aha”

The Mi-8 had already been damaged by small arms fire, so it stood there muted!! And the crew and members of the PSO took refuge in a nearby house!! So Daesh stupidly finished off the helicopter empty.. .and then after the group left, they were taken by 8, and the crocodile (MI-24) covered with Syrian fighters!!

[Mikhail Krapivin]

Whatever doesn't kill us makes us stronger. You can’t bring the guys back, but the army must draw the necessary conclusions. There is no point in talking about the answer; a lot has been said about it here. But it is obvious that there must be an answer.

[DimanC]

People die in war.

Yes, we had already worked for quite a long time without losses, everyone was happy. Now the losses. We must accept this as a loss and move on. We will find a way to deal with the Turks. For a long time, slowly, methodically, but inevitably. I hope our search and rescue teams will also learn something and gain invaluable experience when carrying out real work. I have concerns that since we rarely wage wars on foreign territory, we have not yet really learned how to save our pilots like this. Now let's learn.

[Cap.Morgan]

Deliver shipments of weapons to the Kurds.
Train Kurdish partisans on your territory. By the way, this has already happened in the past.

[Evgeniy-111]

Until the area is searched by search teams, there will be no retaliation.

[mik0588]

The Turks were miscalculated - fact! You shouldn’t expect any special response - no one is interested in escalation, and in economic terms there won’t be much to answer, it’s a double-edged sword. What has nothing to do with it - incredible! In fact, this is their response to diplomatic successes - creating several problems at once with a minimum of costs on their part

[tolancop]

The Turks were calculated on the basis that they were REASONABLE and ADEQUATE. But it would be difficult to even imagine that they would turn out to be so .....

[prostofily]

Why are you planning, yes, someone should answer. There was agreement with NATO. Erdogan acted like a complete idiot. Now Russia will choose the best way to bend over.

[Inq]

I have a proposal for all visitors to VO. Let's everyone write a letter of support to the family of the deceased pilot. The address of the military base where he served. I think his former colleagues will not refuse to hand over letters to his family. And for them, perhaps, at least a little, it will be easier, knowing that many people mourn with them and honor and appreciate the greatest sacrifice that Sergei Rumyantsev made.

[tolancop]

Our letters will not help the family.
And it won’t make it any easier for them. Today I heard another proposal on the radio that I liked. Rename, after the deceased pilot, the street in Moscow on which the Turkish embassy is located.

[lazma3]

Why didn’t they expect such meanness from the Turks, because an agreement was signed with the Americans on the safety of flights of the Russian Aerospace Forces and the Air Force of the coalition led by America. And Turkey, as you know, is part of this coalition. The use of the SU-24 can be carried out without IA cover. This was the case, for example, in Afghanistan.

[Murad05]

The situation has escalated to the limit. It's time to move air defense systems to the Syrian-Turkish border and declare them a closed zone...

[Angry Beaver]

It’s strange that the author says that there was supposedly only one Su-24. Everywhere on the network they say that there were a couple. One managed to make a maneuver and get away from the missile. IMHO.

[vitya1945]

Punish the Turks
Close the tour flow, kick out the Turkish companies Pegasus, Anex, Coral from Russia.
Shoot down anything that crosses the Syrian border.
This is the second day I’ve been looking through the Turkish press, they are proud that the plane was shot down.
Although in the comments it slips that many understand that this is revenge for the business of Erdogan’s son.

[reluctant]

It was stated that the Su-24 was not equipped with a missile launch detection system. No comments at all. The pilots were virtually unarmed against any attack.

Where was it stated? And if true, then....no comment. How's that? The system is ancient and seems to be installed standard on all aircraft. I think it's called "Birch". The new one may be completely different. And where then are all our “Levers”, “Mercury”, “Khibiny”?

[xomaNN]

I will join the puzzled questions regarding the lack of a long-range air defense umbrella at the border junction.
And because They are bombing in different areas of Syria and there is little fighter cover, it is clear that it is near the Turkish border that needs to be covered. The rest of the areas are quiet. Israel doesn't bother. Maybe now the land forces will send S300? So 150 -130 km radius

[Johnny69]

Russia's spirit is purely against Georgia and Ukraine (i.e. protiv weakix).

When Türkiye was impudent and daringly shot down your Su 24, you were simply abasralis. Glad for that. God forbid there will be more losses

[avva2012]

passive homosexuals have no place in decent society. Go away!

[esaull]

Well, let’s see about the spirit when Amer’s and Turkish planes, which no one was allowed to fly over the sovereign territory of Syria, begin to fall, and the Syrian Lissims will shoot them down) have the Vietnamese forgotten their mattress pads?

[tolancop]

Usually I like materials from Skomorokhov, but not this time..

"...However, military operations are taking place on the territory of the SAR. Therefore, the following questions arise.


1. Why did our Su-24M act alone? Not in pairs, without covering fighters? ..." And from whom the fighters were supposed to cover the bomber.

Moreover, flying in the SYRIAN sky. I believe that the Turkish screaming about the violation of their borders was taken into account and the pilots carefully monitored their position so as not to give rise to another portion of howling. "...4. It was stated that the Su-24 was not equipped with a missile launch detection system. No comments at all. The pilots were virtually unarmed against any attack...."
And who should the pilots expect the missile from?

Maximum Barmaley MANPADS. So they walked at a height that was obviously inaccessible to MANPADS. “..It seems that our command was not prepared for such a situation or for its consequences. I agree that no one expected such meanness from the Turks. And the attack of the Turkish fighter was a terrible and tragic surprise...”

Indeed, such it was difficult to expect demonstrative impudence.


"..And a few questions regarding the actions of the Turkish side. It seems strange to me that the meeting of one Su-24 and one F-16. Was a lone fighter scrambled to intercept a lone bomber? I can’t believe it was an accident at all. Apparently, the Turkish side planned something in advance similar. I tracked all the takeoffs of our planes on my radars, finding out whether the opportunity for such an action would be provided...”
I agree with this... it doesn’t smell like an accident.

But I didn’t understand why it follows that the F-16 was lonely. I fully admit and even for sure our bomber was guarded by several fighters. "..There is no doubt that if there was at least one Su-30 in the air within a radius of 4-5 kilometers, the Turks would not even move to intercept, especially if they went beyond their airspace. Even together, because" the thirtieth" "sixteenth" is clearly too tough..."
But I just have doubts.

The action was planned and prepared in advance. The F-16 pilot had an order to shoot down the bomber and he carried it out regardless of whether there was a covering fighter or not. The F-16 pilot did not have to fear an attack from the covering fighter, since he was in Turkish skies. I’m not a military expert, but I can’t imagine how a cover fighter could protect a bomber in such a situation. Unless you set yourself up. “..Moreover, there are generally accepted rules for action in such situations...”
Planning and preparation of such actions imply non-compliance with any rules.

This is what was demonstrated. A long time ago I read the memoirs of an air defense officer who served in the Far East in the 70s and 80s. It was a tense time. American planes constantly probed air defense systems, flying in close proximity to our borders. Sometimes they flew, but from the trajectory of the flight it was clear that the pilot simply did not fit into the turn and jumped into the airspace of the USSR. Such cases were not something special. Reports on such border violations were sent according to the established procedure, but, apparently, they were not brought to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, since according to all the facts, the Amer’s ambassador is not a stretch...

[Alexey RA]

Quote: tolancop

And from whom were the fighters supposed to cover the bomber? Moreover, flying in the SYRIAN sky. I believe that the Turkish screaming about the violation of their borders was taken into account and the pilots carefully monitored their position so as not to give rise to another portion of howling.

Cover was supposed to be from the actions of the air force of the neighboring side. This is standard practice during the Afghan war when the air force operates near the border of a state that supports the insurgents.
Even in those days when the USSR was a superpower, our and Afghan planes attacked again, and outside the airspace of Pakistan. To prevent this, it was necessary to keep the strikers in the zone or accompany them with fighters.

Quote: tolancop

And from whom should the pilots expect the rocket? Maximum Barmaley MANPADS. So they walked at a height that was obviously inaccessible to MANPADS.

Again, look at Afghanistan.
Taking into account the situation in Syria and with ISIS in general, the Turks are practically the same packs.

Quote: tolancop

But I just have doubts. The action was planned and prepared in advance. The F-16 pilot had an order to shoot down the bomber and he carried it out regardless of whether there was a covering fighter or not. The F-16 pilot did not have to fear an attack from the covering fighter, since he was in Turkish skies. I’m not a military expert, but I can’t imagine how a cover fighter could protect a bomber in such a situation. Unless you set yourself up.

“Detection-capture-escort” - and in the cockpit of the F-16 the fire protection system begins to burst. And then the standard game on nerves of the Cold War begins. Think, pilot: Crasy Ivan has taken you as escort... he won’t be the first to launch, but in response to your launch, he may well be. Then the media, of course, will start howling - but you won't hear him.

Quote: tolancop

A long time ago I read the memoirs of an air defense officer who served in the Far East in the 70s and 80s. It was a tense time. American planes constantly probed air defense systems, flying in close proximity to our borders. Sometimes they flew, but from the trajectory of the flight it was clear that the pilot simply did not fit into the turn and jumped into the airspace of the USSR. Such cases were not something special. Reports on such border violations were sent according to the established procedure, but, apparently, they were not brought to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, since according to all the facts, the Amer’s ambassador is not a stretch...

So in Afghanistan, ours regularly struck along the border and beyond it. The packs first warned and then began to attack. And even in cases where there were no violations. In response, ours began to organize MiG-23 duty to cover the strikers and reconnaissance troops.

[Arcana]

I agree with the author of the article that the perpetrators should be roughly punished. Precisely the perpetrators and their accomplices. Every Turk must understand that by voting for the Erdogans, he is voting for a worsening situation in his country.

[kvapu1976]

That's right, burn out all the bearded evil spirits and Erdogan with his blo...k as well.

[gazebo]

Quote: provincial

4. It was stated that the Su-24 was not equipped with a missile launch detection system. No comments at all. The pilots were virtually unarmed against any attack.

An explanation has already been given above, but many do not read previous posts when writing their own. The Su-24m is equipped with the KARPATY airborne defense system. If the plane was accompanied by an F-16, the crew could observe this on the combat situation display; in the event of the enemy's radar being captured, a red indicator lights up and a buzzer sounds in the headphones - "PANIKER" in slang. The launch of any missile at an aircraft (no matter what homing head) is determined by the Mak-UL product based on its heat signature, in this case the range to the missile is indicated on the rendezvous line and recommendations for an anti-missile maneuver for the crew, the decoys are fired manually or automatically, depending from the selected option by the crew navigator (the navigator controls the BKO). What raises questions is the serviceability of the air defense system, the decision made by the crew in this situation, when a long-range capture of the F-16 radar aircraft was carried out and they SAW it, the ability to use all the capabilities of the air defense system.

[Engineer]

Regarding point No. 1: there were two planes and the attack was on both planes, but one was able to evade the missile.
Regarding point No. 2: there was a Mi-24 and a Mi-8, the Mi-8 was destroyed by a direct hit from a Tou missile on the ground.
Regarding point No. 4: the aircraft operates at altitudes inaccessible to MANPADS and small arms.

[Petrik66]

The commentators are great as always.
But most of the questions are incorrect. The Turks constantly scrambled a couple of planes that were hovering near the border, so there was nothing new at the time our couple of planes took off.
The attack was carried out competently - he jumped out, shot down and ran away. The reaction time is minimal - seconds. even if fighters were covering there, they would not have time to react, since they would have to shoot down the kov on Turkish territory, and this, you see, is a slightly different caliber. If NATO wouldn’t sit around here with rotten statements, figure it out for yourself. A colorfully described rescue operation - orders, etc. This is nonsense. There is a combat schedule and a worked out procedure for interaction, etc. and so on. It cannot even be assumed that this issue has not been worked out. the operation took place in conditions of active fire opposition from the enemy, who had the necessary technical means (DShK for example) and trained personnel with combat experience. They're sitting there, not flying, but soldiers completely frostbitten. If the pilots were shot while they were parachuting down, this means that the distance was a maximum of 1 - 1.5 km. Those who were in the turntables were twice heroes, giving their lives for the opportunity to save their comrades. If the Syrians really saved our pilots, they will all have the order and the possibility of a comfortable life in Russia regardless of the outcome of the operation. The Turks are just a screen, behind them are American pigs.
Our plane crashed, we were warned about it, it couldn’t have happened any other way. Everyone invested a lot of money in the Syrian project and received dividends from it - money. It seems that American pigs share in the trade in oil, organs, and people. This happened in Vietnam, and in Laos, and in Cambodia, and in Kosovo, and in Afghanistan and Iraq. Allah will punish them and when He punishes them, there will be no need to express condolences. And Türkiye - there are a lot of Turkish construction companies in Moscow: Renaissance, Mobe, Costa, Ant Yap, etc. we need to explain to them that there will be no more fishing for them in our glorious team. Consumer goods, tomatoes - well, it’s not for us to teach Onishchenko. But with tourism - now the hamsters are howling - where are we going to relax in the summer???? Where? In Kolyma! To go to Antalya or not to go there, not now, but in a year, is the choice of the conscience of each Russian. But for me, they are just dogs, traitors, who fed at our house and betrayed us. We can take revenge on them, each of us. You don’t need to buy their goods, you don’t need to go to their resorts, you don’t need to shake hands with them. Jackals.

[rassom]

I would like to get recordings of radio conversations of Turkish pilots from those EF-16s, or even better, data from their on-board computers. Does anyone know if a hit on a target is recorded on modern fighters?

[avva2012]

It would be nice to find those who shot at our pilot from the ground. So that it doesn't bother others.

[Landwarrior]

Well, we've finished the game. It was immediately clear that this flexing of muscles would not lead to anything good.

[Armen]

It seems to me that mischievous sentiments need to be put aside.
At the moment, Türkiye is significantly superior to the Russian Federation in the Black Sea region.
In this case, it is simply necessary either not to get involved in real clashes or to retreat wisely.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Armen

It seems to me that mischievous sentiments need to be put aside.
At the moment, Türkiye is significantly superior to the Russian Federation in the Black Sea region.
In this case, it is simply necessary either not to get involved in real clashes or to retreat wisely.

Does Russia have no other means besides the fleet? Well, there are OTR, SLCM, ALCM and other cruise missiles and ballistic missiles?
And in the navy - how many carriers of the Kyrgyz Republic do the Turks have?

[I am]

What are you doing?! Ours don’t even need to leave the shore. from the pier, rockets will drown everyone in this puddle.

[Support]

It is necessary to destroy the Turkish pilot along with all his relatives (regardless of gender and age) and all his commanders along the chain in the same way, with all his relatives (it would be possible with the capital). Type of accident, etc. So that the creatures hiccup from orders to attack the Russians....

[Siberian1965]

Yes, now our generals have purple fucks with bruises. There’s a separate demand from Erdogan, but why did they forget about basic safety rules in war conditions? It will definitely fly for someone. Relaxed in battle. This in no way applies to pilots and marines. The losses, as always, are due to the debs at headquarters, who must think with their heads and calculate the risks. It's a shame, the losses are out of nowhere.

[press attaché]

Quote: Libra

"President Erdogan and President Obama said they agreed on the need to take action to prevent a repeat of what happened and the importance of reducing tensions," the office said.

my proposal is this: Point the calibers along the entire length of the border and the place where our helicopter was blown up and where the creatures filmed our pilot and shy away so that they could only fart!

[NordUral]

Everything is clear with the enemy. And we need to deal with our generals so that August 2008 does not return. There are not so many of us to throw away the blood of our guys.

[HollyGremlin]

1. Why did our Su-24M act alone? Not paired, without fighter cover? Perhaps he was in "free hunting" mode. But this does not remove some of the feeling of a frivolous attitude towards what is happening.

We returned to the base in pairs, information about this passed through. Why without cover: because we are limited by the capacity of the airfield in Syria. If there are more fighters there, then there will be fewer bombers, alas.

2. Why were Mi-8 helicopters sent to the crash site after the disaster? After all, it was known that the area was controlled by Turkoman gangs. The result was the death of our soldier and the loss of one helicopter. If instead of the Mi-8 the bearded bastards had seen the Mi-24, the situation would have been completely different.

Most likely they were already in the air and wanted to quickly evacuate the pilots from whom the signal was received.

3. It seems that the presence of so many bandits in the area of ​​the fall was somewhat of a surprise. What is this, excessive trust in information from “partners” or a flaw in intelligence?

Unfortunately, this is only called the fight against terror, in fact it is a war and the number there is corresponding

4. It was stated that the Su-24 was not equipped with a missile launch detection system. No comments at all. The pilots were virtually unarmed against any attack.

And here's a little more detail. Most likely, our team was lying and there was a defense, but it failed.
1. Our electronic warfare systems cope well with Cook
2. Ours are starting an operation in Syria, and there are electronic warfare equipment there too
3. For some reason the USA supplies additional F16s to Turkey, although they have their own assembly
4. F16s shoot down our bomber.
The USA is a cunning and vile enemy, do not underestimate them.

[egor670]

I thought that ours were carrying out the operation in Syria at the highest level, including the technical level. It turned out to be typical Russian sloppiness and there, they learn to fight as usual only after washing themselves with blood

[xoma58]

Kill them all. the Turks are subject to the most severe boycott. But our Jews will once again sell us all out.

[Armen]

Additionally.
Regarding the hating. psDid not take into account outdated models of Russian and Turkish aircraft

[Kite]

Why are thoughts only in one direction, only the base in Khmeimi? Just look at the map! Between us and the Turks there is only the Black Sea, which any plane can fly over. And even the S300 can shoot down an F16 from our shore over Turechina.

[esaull]

Somehow, everything is one-sided, why only the base in Syria? Or is Türkiye, like the United States, located on another continent? With missile salvoes, our ships can destroy all Turkish airfields in 20 minutes without leaving the piers

[Armen]

I deliberately did not draw further, so as not to show the weakness of the Russian Navy.
Regarding warships, in the Black Sea region there are only enough of them to defend their coast.
The superiority of the Turks is overwhelming.
(I'm not even talking about NATO). In recent years, of course, there has been a positive shift, but this is not enough yet.

[Kite]

Quote: Armen

I deliberately did not draw further,

and they did it right! And the bad things are not yours and thoughts are simple like the “moo” of a cow. “The superiority of the Turks is overwhelming...” Why then was NATO speechless yesterday in fear?

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Armen

Additionally.
Regarding the hating. psDid not take into account outdated models of Russian and Turkish aircraft

Hmm... EMNIP, out of 200 F-16s, two thirds are block 30 and block 40 vehicles manufactured in 1987-1994, which have undergone partial modernization.

[I am]

1 Regiment S300 and a bunch of missiles for the launcher. And Turkey still doesn’t have the f-16. But it's expensive. But two missiles with thermobaric ammunition over the airfield - and Turkey does not have an airfield.

[heartland]

It was simply unrealistic not to study everything related to the fact of the attack and destruction of our plane in Syrian airspace yesterday.

After watching and reading everything I could, I noticed some really strange nuances. Not studying is unrealistic. A good start for an article. With such inclinations, Mr. Skomorokhov needs to work at the General Staff, plan military operations. No one will tell us what was there. They only say what cannot be hidden. And about Airbus 321 too. I don't give a minus.

[Kite]

Roman, our plane was alone because an agreement was signed with the Americans, i.e. with NATO members. The equipment warning about radar exposure is incorrectly called, this is not yet a missile launch. Any military aircraft scans the sector ahead and this is not an attack, this is a warning about the presence of a foreign object nearby. The launch of missiles with an IR head can be detected by television equipment. (this is what fighters have in front of the cockpit) A short-range launch from behind and from the side is possible if your counterparts let you through due to trust. Now there can be no talk of trust.

[nnz226]

As Stalin’s associate Kaganovich said: “Every accident has a last name, first name, patronymic!” And sending Mi-8 helicopters without Mi-24 escort to retrieve pilots shot down behind bandits’ lines is a malfeasance! I understand that it was impossible to foresee the Turkish attack on our plane, but everything else is spelled out in the regulations and instructions for rescuing flight personnel from enemy territory. And if (as they wrote on the Internet) the emergency beacons also did not work, then this is a matter for the FSB and military counterintelligence. The planes are in combat service, not in exercises...

[Alexey RA]

Quote: nnz226

As Stalin’s associate Kaganovich said: “Every accident has a last name, first name, patronymic!” And sending Mi-8 helicopters without Mi-24 escort to retrieve pilots shot down behind bandits’ lines is a malfeasance!

The Mi-8s were accompanied by Mi-24s.
The G8 was hit by rifle fire from the ground and grounded, after which it, already abandoned by the crew, was destroyed by terrorists. Alas, the Mi-24 cannot clear the zone of all the women with DShK.

[Kim Klimov]

Russia will not forget this Turkish meanness.

[Armen]

I believe that the Turks rightly rubbed their nose in the GDP (it’s a pity, of course, for our people).
You need to know your place and correctly calculate your strength. When there is little finance, when there are practically no friends, when the armed forces have not yet had time to rearm, it is necessary not to get involved in conflicts of little significance for the Russian Federation and to focus on internal problems.
After all, there are still a lot of unresolved issues. Ambitions coupled with weakness never lead to any good.
There was war there before Russia, there will be after Russia....
This is the normal state of Arab states and tribes. There is no point in meddling with your charter into someone else’s monastery. It is not a fact that Assad will remain loyal to Russia. Changing views is the norm in the Arab world. They only make friends with those with whom it is beneficial. It will be beneficial with the USA - it will be friends with them.

[avva2012]

So you think there is no war?
Are you, by any chance, a friend of Varvara the guard?
And are you trying to quietly brainwash us? What forces to count? With “what regulations do you suggest not to go into someone else’s monastery?” “Ambition multiplied by weakness never leads to good.” What are you about? Friend, who, as they say in Odessa? Maybe I'm wrong, but something is wrong with my friend here.

[Geo73]

The author assumes what the performer should answer i.e. military pilot? Absurd, he was following orders

[Armen]

This is not easy. It is necessary to switch people's attention from their miscalculations to the petty switchman.

[drugg]

Our sincere condolences to the hero pilots and their families.

[capitosha1rang]

I fully support it and allow me, as a pensioner, to give advice: Look - the Turkey/Syria border is only on the map, in the border areas there are rules of Gulyai-Polye.
The movement of both military and civilians is difficult to control. So here’s some advice: let 10-20 vehicles from a convoy of oil tankers go to Turkey (the rest, of course, be processed from the air), providing them with an additional option - a magnetic mine.
During the Second World War, our pioneer heroes easily did this, but Turkey has enemies - we still have to look for a second such state, if only the United States. A dozen oil tankers exploded on the crowded streets of a large city, streams of burning oil will quickly cool the heads of the hot-tempered Turkish authorities.
This is how it turns out - oil burns, but it cools!