The Pentagon and its logic: Turkey is in the American coalition, but when the Russian plane was shot down, it was not considered in the American coalition ...

The decision of the Turkish authorities to shoot down the Russian Su-24 bomber was commented on at the Pentagon. It should be recalled that some time ago, Russian President Vladimir Putin noted that the Turkish Air Force shot down a Russian aircraft involved in the counter-terrorist operation in Syria, although earlier the Russian side agreed with the Americans to coordinate actions in order to prevent any incidents in the air (and Turkey is a NATO member and a US ally).

The Pentagon's response is more like trying to justify itself. According to the official representative of the American military department, Turkey in this situation did not act within the framework of the American coalition. But the representative of the US military department was immediately asked: when did Turkey manage to withdraw from the American coalition against terrorism, after all, earlier Erdogan himself stated that the Turkish Armed Forces are part of the coalition structures together with the United States.

RIA News cites the text of the statement of the Pentagon spokesman, Lieutenant Colonel Michel Baldance. She stated the following:

Turkey is part of the coalition. However, we believe that all countries have the right to control and protect their airspace. These actions were taken by Turkey in this direction and, therefore, are not actions within the framework of the coalition.

While declaring that Turkey had the right to defend its airspace, the Pentagon does not confirm the statement of the representative of the General Staff of the Turkish Armed Forces that the Su-24 of the Russian Aerospace Forces was in Turkish airspace.

From a statement by Pentagon spokesman Steve Warren:

The incident happened at the border, that's all I can tell you. We are still trying to collect and analyze all the data.

Comments

[Hubun]

From time immemorial, the Turks of Russia have played dirty tricks, well, I do not believe in friendship with them. Waited for meanness from them and waited, unfortunately. And I remember urgently a poster in the materiel of the barracks, still Soviet, with samples of the potential enemy's weapons. And there were the USA and Turkey for some reason

[sanja.grw]

From time immemorial, the Turks of Russia have been dirty, well, I do not believe in friendship with them

The crescent is silent
And again from the East, a mysterious wind blew.
The crescent is silent
And again go to war Petersburg and Istanbul.

[Baikonur]

19.11.2015/XNUMX/XNUMX: said in a comment to the article "Bloody revenge of Tayyip Erdogan":

Not only can they not be trusted, they must always remember in the mind that this is real - the enemies have always been!

Here is the proof! really bloody!
And someone put cons!
And they said:
-Article - vanging final the author himself admits unknown ... into the furnace
-Judging by the cons, there are so many specialists in the history of Turkey .. think with your brain and not react to red as bulls ..

[aktanir]

One thing I don't understand is why our military sent only two helicopters to rescue and why they sent it so late? Almost in the morning we have been following the reports of the Turkish media about a Russian plane shot down directly by the Turkish military. Our Ministry of Defense did not seem to be in the know at all, while everything kept repeating about a certain strike from the ground on the plane. And the rescue group became known only in the second half of the day. This is actually an area of ​​hostilities, which two helicopters were all the more late and one could expect a horde of armed beggars on the spot. This overpopulated Asia, there are crowds of people everywhere, even in hard-to-reach places. So we got the loss of one turntable and it is not excluded (pah-pah, God forbid) losses among the search engines.
I'm not an expert, but I was expecting something more comprehensive, powerful and thoughtful in a rescue operation. Our specialists had time to think over such actions, already 2 months in Syria.

[mad]

Quote: aktanir

This overpopulated Asia, there are crowds of people everywhere, even in hard-to-reach places.

In general, I agree, but this is the Middle East, not Asia)

[Scraptor]

When we punish her for this, she will also not be counted in the American coalition ...

[Asadullah]

And someone put cons!
And they said:

The concept of "wise gudgeon". Frankly, I didn't expect it so quickly. I thought this would happen after the approach of Assad's troops to the borders of Turkey. What he wrote about. The question is now what? What considerations would be?

I have the following considerations, the Kurds, - autonomy, weapons, air defense systems, a representative office in Moscow. Armenian Genocide - in the first media place. To move Turkmenistan in all interests in the Caspian, at the expense of Iran. Turkish business - babay-kebab, shashlik-mashlik - to their historical homeland. Turkish goods - duty called SU. Yes, we still need to start looking for "good Taliban". And it was necessary to start yesterday.

He always despised Russian whores who got confused with the Turks. Now to disgust.

[opus]

Quote: Asadullah

I have the following considerations, the Kurds, - autonomy, weapons, air defense systems, a representative office in Moscow.

Everything is logical.
Another SAM (type "Buk") to Syria?
Banning flights with Turkey, recalling ambassadors, evacuating tourists
And?
And now the question of the straits arises.
Bosphorus and Dardanelles

(What we inherited)

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What and how to supply the Russian Armed Forces group in Syria?
If tomorrow Turkey blocks the straits.

/ I think this was the idea of ​​the chief organizer of NATO and the attack on the Rossitsky Su-24

[Max_Bauder]

Quote: opus

What and how to supply the Russian Armed Forces group in Syria?
If tomorrow Turkey blocks the straits.

has no right, this is an official declaration of war, not for the Russians died in 1877-78 so that the Turks could block the Black Sea fleet.

[Asadullah]

has no right,

Yes, that's exactly what I wanted to answer. There are treaties, conventions and accompanying protocols, which are not in the public domain. As I understand it, the closure of the straits automatically implies a legal declaration of war.

[opus]

Quote: Max_Bauder

not eligible, this is an official declaration of war

1.Take and cover.
Forget it by the Navy and Air Force, it's stupid how ours blocked the exit of Ukrainian ships from Sevastopol (the same treaty, the same "official declaration of war")


Most of the Russian cargo traffic following this route (Bosphorus and Dardanels) is oil and oil products (about 150 million tons of oil and about 105 million tons and oil products per year)

in 2004, when the volume of Russian oil exports increased significantly, Turkey imposed restrictions on the movement of ships in the Bosphorus (losses of $ 100 per day). AND?

2.In WW1, the British from the Dardanelles and Russia from the Bosphorus could not block the straits (or unblock)

[Boa kaa]

Quote: opus

What and how to supply the Russian Armed Forces group in Syria? If Turkey blocks the straits tomorrow.

The Black Sea Straits are international, the legal status is governed by the Mantreux Convention (1936). The blockade of the straits is tantamount to a declaration of war. Turkey is a bastard, but not a suicide.
She looks more like a jackal: she bit off the sly, realized what would happen for this and ran to NATO (to Sherkhan) for protection. Now in Brussels, NATO ambassadors are tense about this ...

Quote: opus

I think this was the idea of ​​the chief organizer for NATO and the attack on the Rossitsky Su-24

States are radishes. But I don't think they are happy with this provocation. Turkey has put them in an uncomfortable position of choice: to justify Turkey means to take the side of IS, but it is also not comme il faut to merge a NATO member.
I think the States will have to play around, to blink the obvious - and this does not bring political leaders.
And we will hit Turkey economically.
IMHO.

[opus]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

The blockade of the straits is tantamount to a declaration of war.

Hardly.

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

Turkey is a bastard, but not a suicide.

-If they did not have NATO behind them, and specifically the United States, they would silently count the flights of the RF Armed Forces over their territory
-Without using nuclear weapons, nothing can be done with Turkey at the moment:
1.The ground forces (410 people) of Turkey are considered the second strongest in the NATO bloc, after the US Army.
(Agitation of the times of the USSR Armed Forces)

2.The Turkish Navy is superior to the Russian Black Sea Fleet

24 frigate URO and at least 20 modern missile boats Kiliç.
Today by the number of cruise missiles in the first salvo, the Turkish fleet surpasses the Russian Black Sea Fleet by almost three times. The number of anti-ship missiles in the salvo of a naval group of the Turkish Navy is 280 (252 Harpoon, 16 Penguin, 12 Exozet), Black Sea Fleet - 84 (16 Basalt, 26 Mosquito, 18 Malachite, 4 Termite ", 4" Frontier ", 16 torpedoes).
(excluding calibers and recent changesth)
Three-fold superiority of the "southern neighbor"
+ 11 Turkish submarines (the process of replacing obsolete American boats of Guppy and Tang types with German 209/1200 and 209/1400 projects is almost complete)

+ Air Force
Tusas F-16C + Tusas F-16D = 208 units and 26x Canadair NF-5A
+ All this is at hand (how difficult was it for that alliance to take Sevastopol in the XNUMXth century?)

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

I think the States will have to play around

They are not the first time "Look in the eyes, they say God's dew"

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

And we will hit Turkey economically.

It would be better, of course (the soul requires) a couple of ZM-14 (with KBCh) here

Yes, I am for ...
But:
-

Quote: opus

Most of the Russian cargo traffic following this route (Bosphorus and Dardanels) is oil and oil products (about 150 million tons of oil and about 105 million tons and oil products per year)

-Turkey directly started food supplies to Crimea
(From October 1 to October 19, 406,67 tons of products were delivered from Turkey to Crimea: 385,07 tons of fresh fruit and 21,6 tons of dried fruits)

[avdkrd]

Quote: opus

Without using nuclear weapons, nothing can be done with Turkey at the moment:

And who said that one should fight with Turkey without nuclear weapons? The military doctrine of Russia allows this. Regarding NATO and the "bulwark of crap" - if the strike does not touch the NATO bases, no one, seeing the seriousness of their intentions, will come out. A third of the world will not take place from this, everyone will only cross - well, not for us.

[opus]

Quote: avdkrd

And who said that one should fight with Turkey without nuclear weapons?

And what about tourists?

And what about the ecology of the Black Sea and Mediterranean basins?

/
Do not forget:
1. Insirlinka Air Base (Turkey) - the largest storage warehouse for nuclear weapons in Europe (well, if Turkey is considered Europe) with 25 underground storage facilities ... Each vault can hold up to four bombs, with a maximum full primary capacity holding up to 100 bombs. In 2000, there were up to 90 B61 nuclear weapons or 3-4 bombs in storage. This included those 40 destined for delivery by Turkish F-16 aircraft from Balıkesir Air Base and Akinci Air Base. Currently there are approximately 50 based ones. 2-3 pcs. in each of the 21 vaults in the new security perimeter.

(there is also AB in Akinchi, in Balikesir, in Eskisehir, in Erhach where nuclear weapons were previously stored - as now-xs, but in the satellite images of Eskisehir and Erkhach airbases, WS3 type gas stations are clearly visible)

2.On September 22, 2014 in a number of influential publications (Welt am Sonntag, The National Interest, Die Welt, etc.), the former head of the planning department of the Ministry of Defense of the Federal Republic of Germany H. Rühle (Hans Rühle) published data from the German Federal Intelligence Service (BND) , fully confirming our conclusions. In particular, according to Ruhle, "the intelligence community of Germany and a number of other countries believes that Turkey is working not only on its military nuclear program, but also on its delivery vehicles program."
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Turkish Air Force pilots (however, like all NATO pilots, except for the "newly baptized" Young Europeans, are trained to use nuclear weapons (NATO doctrine), and every year they train

Will you find B61 simulators?

[Weyland]

Quote: opus

Without using nuclear weapons, nothing can be done with Turkey at the moment:

Strategic Missile Forces and without a nuclear filling they can do a lot. So the advantage of the Turks over the Black Sea Fleet will not play a role.

[opus]

Quote: Weyland

The Strategic Missile Forces can do a lot of things even without a nuclear filling.

Naive
1. The Strategic Missile Forces (except for aviation) have no non-nuclear warheads.
Strategic Missile Forces: Designed for nuclear deterring possible aggression and defeat in the composition of strategic nuclear forces or independently massive or group nuclear missile strikes of strategic objectslocated in one or more strategic directions and constituting the basis of the enemy's military and military-economic potentials
2.Not every ICBM of the Strategic Missile Forces can reach Turkey (too close)
On the Basically weapons of the Strategic Missile Forces are all Russian ground intercontinental mobile and silo-based ballistic missiles with nuclear warheads.
RS-26 (KY-26 / SS-X-31), according to unverified data, can be launched at 2000-6000 km.
The rest "work" from 5500 km

Quote: Weyland

So the advantage of the Turks over the Black Sea Fleet will not play a role

How the Strategic Missile Forces can help the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Navy - xz.
All strategic weapons are designed for shooting at STAINLESS TARGETS

[TanyaKar]

Yes, the States are just a radish, and the Ottomans are just hooligans ...
And besides, economically, you can somehow throw something more serious to finally understand the Erdogans hooligans and realize
why shouldn’t you do this to Russia?

[TVM - 75]

It seems to me that the Turks will blame everything on their pilot. We told him, but he did not understand, such.

[Kito]

the issue is solved something like this

[Morrow]

They need to rip their heads off, like the French tore off theirs at 46

[just exp]

and when the Turks will come from the Russian female genital organ, and not the one with the hair.
though not now, but later, because of Greece.

Elder Paisiy Svyatorets (Eznepidis, 1924-1994), in the early 90s, predicted the war between Russia and Turkey: “God will arrange. In this war, everyone will emerge victorious. The Greek army will be a spectator. No one will come back as a winner. Palestine will be the arena, the Dead Sea will be their grave. This will be the first half time. But there will be a second half-time: after these events, a person will come to despair, and then everyone will study the Gospel and the Scriptures. Christ will pity the world and show a sign for faith. Then look for an unbeliever ...
Thought tells me that many events will happen: the Russians will occupy Turkey, Turkey will disappear from the map, because a third of the Turks will become Christians, a third will die in the war and a third will go to Mesopotamia.
The Middle East will become the scene of wars in which Russians will take part. A lot of blood will be shed, the Chinese will cross the Euphrates River, having an army of two hundred million, and reach Jerusalem. A characteristic sign that these events are approaching will be the destruction of the Omar mosque, as its destruction will mean the beginning of the reconstruction of the temple of Solomon by the Jews, which was built on this site.
In Constantinople there will be a great war between Russians and Europeans, and a lot of blood will be shed. Greece will not play a leading role in this war, but Constantinople will be given to it. Not because the Russians will revere the Greeks, but because they will not be able to find a better solution ... The Greek army will not have time to go there, as the city will be given to it.
Jews, because they will have the strength and help of the European leadership, become impudent and behave with shamelessness and pride, and try to rule Europe .... They will build many intrigues, but through the persecution that ensues, Christianity will unite completely. However, it will not unite in the way those who want to organize a worldwide “unification of churches,” wanting to have one religious leadership at the head, want to unite. Christians will unite because in this situation, the separation of the sheep from the goats will occur. Then "a single herd and one Shepherd will be realized in practice ... I was told that the Chinese army at the moment is two hundred million, that is, the specific number that St. John writes about in Revelation. When you hear that the Turks block the waters of the Euphrates at the head of the dam and use them for irrigation, then know that we have already entered into the preparation of the great war, and in this way the way is prepared for the two hundred millionth army from sunrises, as Revelation says. ”
Turkey has already erected a dam on the Euphrates River in 1990. The Ataturk Dam is the largest in a series of 22 and 19 hydroelectric dams built on the Euphrates and Tigris rivers in 1980-1990. On January 13, 1990, Turkish hydraulic engineers, to fill the reservoir of the dam with water, stopped the flow of the Euphrates into Syria for a month

[just exp]

here's another from him

From the article of Athanasius Zoitakis about the prophecies of Paisius the Holy Mountain: “Once Mr. D.K. visited Elder Paisius. At that time, the USSR was a strong and powerful power, and no one could even imagine that it could collapse (it was back in the Brezhnev era).
By the way, the elder said to him:
- You will see that soon the USSR will fall apart.
Mr D. objected:
“But such a powerful power, geronda, who will be able to break up?” And they dare not touch his fingernail.
- You will see!
The elder predicted that the collapse of the USSR would be witnessed by Mr. D. himself, despite his advanced age.
The elder continued:
- Know that Turkey will fall apart. There will be a war that will last two halves. We will be winners because we are Orthodox.
“Geronda, will we tolerate damage in the war?”
“U, at most, one or two islands will be occupied, and Constantinople will be given to us.” See, see! ”
The Greek elder Paisios emphasized that the liberation of the city would take place without the direct participation of Greece itself: “We will take back Constantinople, but not ourselves. Due to the fact that the majority of our youth have gone down, we are not capable of such a thing. However, God will arrange so that others will take the City and give it to us. "
“Once I met Elder Paisius, who was somewhat embarrassed and upset. He treated me and began a conversation himself:
“Some came here and began to tell me that a war would start, the Turks would enter Greece and drive us six miles to Corinth (thus they interpreted the prophecy of Cosmas of Aetolia with their corrupted thoughts). <...> Although I do not like to talk about prophecies, they forced me to explain to them the meaning of the six nimbles, which Saint Cosmas speaks of, and this is nothing but six miles of the sea shelf. This is the topic over which we have been fighting with Turkey in recent years and over which we will eventually "grapple". However, they will not enter Hellas: they will only advance these six miles, and then they will find great calamity from the northas the scriptures say, and all their designs will collapse. "

[The lead]

Quote: just explo

here's another from him

He attended a lecture by a famous Buddhist teacher in the mid-90s. He said that there is a Buddhist prophecy: a war is coming between the northern country and the southern one, which will develop into a world war. Due to the fact that the saint-Buddha will lead the northern country, the northern country will gain However, the teacher did not give a date, although he added that another world war would begin 150 years after this world war.

[just exp]

Well, if you still read on this topic, then it is believed that it is after this war that the light of Orthodoxy will shine throughout the world, an Orthodox anointed Orthodox Tsar will rise to the head of Russia, Russia will become the main power of the planet, and this will be before the end of the world, then the Antichrist will come.

[The lead]

The similarity of prophecies from different religious cultures is striking: Buddhist and Orthodox.

Quote: just explo

, Russia will become the main power of the planet

How the saint-Buddha is depicted in Orthodox prophecies: a brilliant mind, an iron will, a fiery heart. In general, Buddhists believe in the existence of alien civilizations, this is part of ordinary Indian ideas, in this regard, the teacher said that the ruler had previously reincarnated in a highly developed civilization, where became a Buddha, there he died, then was born on Earth.

Quote: just explo

and it will be before the end of the world

This is probably what is meant in the Buddhist prophecy that 150 years will pass between the world wars, that is, the end of the world will be 150 years after the third world war.

[Finches]

We ought to hang another shield on the gate ...! Americans do not need this crap! They remember well how, due to the deployment of missiles in Turkey, our missiles appeared in Cuba ...! They will puff out their cheeks and no more. Europe will now quiet down and will watch how tough Russia will behave - it is one thing to show off for the supply of cheese and macaroni, it is another thing to understand clearly that Russia is a nuclear power and a self-respecting power! will not seem to anyone! And Europe needs it ...?

[Sterlya]

Quote: Finches

Americans do not need this crap! They remember well how, due to the deployment of missiles in Turkey, our missiles appeared in Cuba ...! They will puff out their cheeks and no more. Europe will now quiet down and will watch how tough Russia will behave - it is one thing to show off for the supply of cheese and macaroni, it is another thing to clearly understand that Russia is a nuclear power and a power that respects itself!

Yes, I think that another conflict amers just in favor. Themselves, of course, are unlikely to hemorrhoids, and the Turks will continue to incite to provocations, supply weapons to the Turks and ig.

[Finches]

The Americans now have nothing in their suit - neither peace, nor war in this region! And you need to harness yourself for the Turks - a NATO member, but Russia is not alone! And it is not yet known how China will behave?

[NEXUS]

Quote: Finches

The Americans now have nothing in their suit - neither peace, nor war in this region! And you need to harness yourself for the Turks - a NATO member, but Russia is not alone! And it is not yet known how China will behave?

The paucity is that there are many of our citizens on the territory of Turkey and it is impossible to answer even by force until all the tourists are taken out. One thing is clear that the answer will be now (economic and political) and most likely military when tourists are evacuated from Turkey.

[PQ-18]

there, besides tourists, Russians have a lot of real estate on the Mediterranean coast

[NEXUS]

Quote: PQ-18

there, besides tourists, Russians have a lot of real estate on the Mediterranean coast

As well as the Turks in Russia

[Turner38]

I don't give a damn about their real estate, and the puzogreys - dry pies, ankle boots, a machine gun with three horns and mobilization. That is, the landing has already been landed.

[AlexTires]

and add shares in the travel business ...

[Finches]

A small example from history. If you remember, German resorts were the favorite vacation spots of the Russian Empire before the First World War - and immediately after the shots in Sarajevo, the persecution of our people began there! There was no war yet, but the Germans were already spreading rot on our tourists: they were arrested, accused of espionage en masse, they did not change the policy and were thrown out of hotels, men of military age were locked up in concentration camps without trial or investigation ... Then there was more than one Western b. ..but not harnessed! Neither the Americans, nor the British, nor the French! But then we ditched two armies in the Masurian swamps in order to pump out the German divisions from the Western Front, so that Paris would withstand ...!
And the Turks then harnessed themselves to the Germans and they were lucky that we did not enter Istanbul and Ankara then with our Transcaucasian front!

[TanyaKar]

Unfortunately, Paris does not cry and does not remember that two Russian armies were killed for it ...
it is necessary to somehow survive ... So, the battle continues again and the heart is anxious in the chest ....

[commander 64]

The sequence of our further actions to break the relationship is obvious. But it’s not worthwhile to bring it to open hostilities.
In my opinion, it is necessary in every possible way to promote the creation of Qudistan in the territories of Syria and Turkey. For Assad, the creation of a buffer union zone would be a boon, for Turkey - a headache. Well, from our side - all-round assistance with weapons to the "brotherly" Kurdish people.

[Ka-52]

This incident happened too early, Oland went to gather a coalition against ISIS, and here is such a "gift". Only relations between Europe and Russia have "warmed up", stsuki.

[222222]

"The Pentagon and its Logic: Turkey is ..."

..I wonder if the Turks shot down an American or Israeli plane like that ... ?? ... in how many minutes would there be retaliatory actions .. ???

[The lead]

Quote: Finches

We ought to hang another shield on the gate ...!

It would be nice, but it seems to me that the GDP will not dare, even the LADIES are more decisive, remember 2008. I would like to be mistaken.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Lead

It seems to me that the GDP will not dare, even the LADIES are more decisive, remember 2008.

Nano President is more determined ???? 2008 year ??? Does anyone seriously believe that he was deciding something in 2008? They put the zits-chairman on a stool to warm it up for 4 years, so that they would not be stolen, but he "decided"? You will remember the joke, how exactly Kudrin was kicked out. The integral President says to him "write a statement", and he says "I need to consult with Vladimir Vladimirich". And VVP took it and merged it (and rightly so, by the way, did it - no figs with their initiative to climb where they are not asking) - and there was a reason!

On such issues as 08.08.2008, no one would allow a boy with a pipe to make decisions. Voice - please! So here neither political will nor courage is needed - only an intelligent face and mouth to speak. Rusnano to inspect and admire bulbs for in-door lighting for 6800 rubles - this is a serious job for the nano-President ...

[The lead]

Quote: Zoldat_A

Does anyone seriously believe that he was deciding something in 2008?

I think so. You can have a negative attitude to the personality of the LADY, I am very critical of him. What kind of strange conspiracy do you have: supposedly someone controls the president of the Russian Federation, supposedly he is not independent? Then the LADY was a full president of the Russian Federation, endowed with all the power and responsibility , therefore, it would be naive to believe that the LADY remained subordinate to the VVP. To assert this means to show disrespect for the highest office, the highest institution of power, here we are not talking about the LADY, but about the President of the Russian Federation.

Quote: Zoldat_A

"I need to consult with Vladimir Vladimirich"

Remember what LADY answered to Kudrin then: "You can go to anyone, but at the present time I am the President of the Russian Federation." there are no objective grounds for it. Just like the fact that the course towards rearmament of the army, an increase in defense expenditures, was started by the DAM, which is why the pick with Kudrin, which you mentioned, took place.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Zoldat_A
Does anyone seriously believe that he was deciding something in 2008?

Quote: Lead

I think so.

So am I really against? Consider ...

I myself am no longer at that age to be sent to run in the mountains with a machine gun - I ran off my own full, but I talked with those who were there in 2008. Therefore, I made my opinion about those events.

And you - God forbid! - I do not interfere with having my own opinion - about the decisive, guiding and guiding iron will of the nano-President.

[3officer]

The image of this character (Medvedev) looks inappropriate and stupid even in patriotic videos, and this is only the most innocent of his "merits" to the Fatherland.

[sssla]

Quote: Hubun

well, I don’t believe in friendship with them

And who talked about friendship with the Turkish spill gan-mi ??? For all their ambition, this is just six in the hands of the Glosaxes! Just SH E S T E R K And just like their friends from the Crimea, whose name is Ta T rami !!! During the Second World War, they passed the exam perfectly !!!

[79807420129]

Let’s brothers not wave swords, but this Turkish scarecrow got enough of these, they move away from him, but they won’t come close to us either, we will look, as they say, but we must keep our head cold.

[Grenader]

The situation is very difficult. Turkey should be punished, but they can create problems for us. You can forget about the Turkish stream, in addition, the Turks can complicate our passage through the straits to the Mediterranean Sea, which makes the supply of our group in Syria problematic. In a general problem with many unknowns, but you still have to solve it. And the longer I live, the more I regret the collapse of the USSR. Previously, such things with us were fraught with disastrous consequences for the adversary, and now they become impudent. MALFUNCTION.

[Andrey NM]

It seems to me that this situation frees our hands, now we can bomb the Turkomans, not paying attention to the calls of the ambassadors, etc. And now there is no concept of "moderate opposition". And even there can be no talk of buffer zones.

[Tatyana]

Grenadiers (1)
You can forget about the Turkish stream.

I, for example, did not count on the Turkish stream. Erdogan has his own oil raider business (we have already written about this) - he, in fact, raids (rob) for himself personally in his own pocket, and for Turkey too, oil in Syria with the help of ISIS paramilitary units. (In other words, Erdogan is a high-ranking raider bandit.) Russia with its Turkish stream could not compensate Erdogan for his raider super-profits from his commercial oil business. Therefore, the negotiations between Turkey and the Russian Federation ended unsuccessfully. Moreover, the fight of Syria and Russia against ISIS is a fight against the raider business of Erdogan himself. The classics also said that there is no such crime that the capitalist will not commit for the sake of his superprofits. Therefore, Erdogan, after taking a bite at the bit, openly independently got involved with Russia in the war. And the Americans will look at all this according to the principle "My house is on the edge - I don't know anything!" and rub your hands with pleasure. Their war between Turkey and Russia is quite satisfactory. I think that in this case, Zrdogan will lose everything.

[Basarev]

This is because our internal Russian disorder is visible from the outside. The demoniac Duma, megacorruption, extortionate extortion, defeat in the rights of the Russians ... Previously, in all ages, outright pests and traitors to the Motherland were exiled and mercilessly used up ... And now they are in power and for the sake of the approval of the West are ready for any meanness towards Russia ... Therefore, I will not be surprised that, as always, we will swallow this egregious incident.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Grenader

You can forget about the Turkish stream, in addition, the Turks can complicate our passage through the straits to the Mediterranean Sea, which makes the supply of our group in Syria problematic.

The Turks have no mind at all. Well, they would have waited a little longer until our Turkish Stream is completed. And then - and the experience of the "war" with Ukraine shows - war - war, and Gazprom - Gazprom. No, you have to bend over to America right now and put a bad stinking substance in your own pocket. And I think that the Turkish Allinklusive brought good money. America will not go to Turkey - they go to Hawaii ... And now the Foreign Ministry has already urged to refrain from traveling to Turkey. For example, I, in general, have never been and never intended to - I have my own all-inclusive all year round on the Volga, at my dacha. But the Turks with their hotels, it seems, got ...

And as for the straits ... And let them try to shoot down or sink ... VVP said the same - "stab in the back" - because they did not wait. Now we will wait ...

[mmmsoc]

And, imagine that all sorts of "strategists" will come to visit them (TU-95, TU-160)

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Grenader

Previously, such things with us were fraught with disastrous consequences for the adversary, and now they become impudent.

The USSR is the second world economy, the Russian Federation ranked 10th in 2014 in terms of GDP ...
Economy is the basis of defense. The USSR had the OVD, the Russian Federation had the CSTO, it is difficult to compare these military structures ... The power of the OVD is obvious.
About arrogance. Erdogan went to bank, saving his family business, a free flow of oil for 12 dollars. per barrel in the Turkish economy and a source of funding for IS.
About * DISCONNECT * - you are right.

[Sterlya]

Pathetic Turks, scoundrels. And with them there is a visa-free regime. This is so that tourists with ISIS residents are free to go here and there. And what is the use of this regime for Russia?

[mult-65]

Not Russia, but separate (from it) representatives.

[AUL]

They were flabbergasted, janissaries! Do they think that the Turkish stream is holding us by the balls? But after all, we can return to the South Stream - the Bulgarians were already whining when we abandoned them. The answer must be given a radical one - for example, to cut off the flow of our tourists to them (methods can be found), to curtail joint projects (nothing, our moneybags will tolerate). Such slaps in the face cannot be tolerated, because the destruction of our aircraft in a foreign space is tantamount to declaring war on us!

[NEXUS]

Quote from AUL

They were flabbergasted, janissaries! Do they think that the Turkish stream is holding us by the balls?

Are you so naive, believing that this is Erdogan's personal decision? Such decisions are not made in Ankara, but in Washington or Brussels.

Quote from AUL

The answer must be given a radical one - for example, to cut off the flow of our tourists to them (you can find methods)

First you need to take out those who went there.

Quote from AUL

curtail joint projects (nothing, our moneybags will tolerate)

Most likely it will.

Quote from AUL

Such slaps in the face cannot be tolerated, because the destruction of our aircraft in a foreign space is tantamount to declaring war on us!

I agree with that.

[arane]

Quote: Hubun

From time immemorial, the Turks of Russia have played dirty tricks, well, I do not believe in friendship with them. I waited for meanness from them and waited, unfortunately

This is a trial balloon. If we don't answer, everyone will kick us.
I am not suggesting starting a war with Turkey, but we can answer.
1. End all economic relations, a ban on the import of all Turkish goods.
2. Close tourist relations.
3. Close the sky over Syria for Turkish combat aircraft (warn and shoot down)
4. start supplying weapons (including air defense systems) to the Kurds, recognize the Kurds as fighters against ISIS.
5. Start secretly funding the Kurdish Workers' Party in Turkey.
6. Introduce a visa regime.

[U-96]

Quote: arane

1. End all economic relations, a ban on the import of all Turkish goods.
2. Close tourist relations.
3. Close the sky over Syria for Turkish combat aircraft (warn and shoot down)
4. start supplying weapons (including air defense systems) to the Kurds, recognize the Kurds as fighters against ISIS.
5. Start secretly funding the Kurdish Workers' Party in Turkey.

You, forgive me, are talking nonsense. If everything is clear with the first two points, then the rest is nonsense.

[arane]

Quote: U-96

Quote: arane

1. End all economic relations, a ban on the import of all Turkish goods.
2. Close tourist relations.
3. Close the sky over Syria for Turkish combat aircraft (warn and shoot down)
4. start supplying weapons (including air defense systems) to the Kurds, recognize the Kurds as fighters against ISIS.
5. Start secretly funding the Kurdish Workers' Party in Turkey.

You, forgive me, are talking nonsense. If everything is clear with the first two points, then the rest is nonsense.

This is your personal opinion. Justify. Plus sign to you from me

On point 5, of course, I got excited, but otherwise ...

[vorobey]

Quote: arane

This is your personal opinion.

Gentlemen ... one point is enough ... recall the ambassador ...

[U-96]

Quote: arane

This is your personal opinion. O

hmm ... You might think that your five points are the opinion of our Foreign Ministry.

[arane]

Quote: U-96

Quote: arane

This is your personal opinion. O

hmm ... You might think that your five points are the opinion of our Foreign Ministry.

No need to juggle. When I was writing, I wondered if you would write something like that. They wrote.
This is also my personal opinion, and I did not pretend to include my post in the discussion of the UN Security Council.

[U-96]

Quote: arane

Do not distort.

I don’t twist. You wrote

Quote: arane

This is your personal opinion.

Whose opinion do you consider?

Quote: arane

whether you write something like that.

sorry, not a "hunter of nonsense" (c). Leisurely speculations, of course, are in big plus favor, but for the most part they are absolutely primitive. Yours including.

[U-96]

Quote: arane

On point 5, of course, I got excited, but otherwise ...

Not only.
all these "sky closings" are, in essence, nonsense. Name the mechanisms for implementation. Willful decision of the Russian Federation? Isn't it funny yourself? About the supply of weapons to the Kurds - the PKK is only six years old since it jumped off the list of terrorist organizations. Nothing prevents, in view of the terrorist realities, to shove it back there. Or there are doubts about our "partners", eh?
The fifth point, of course, smacks of Soviet nostalgia. Even without comment.

[arane]

Quote: U-96

Quote: arane

On point 5, of course, I got excited, but otherwise ...

Not only.
all these "sky closings" are, in essence, nonsense. Name the mechanisms for implementation. Willful decision of the Russian Federation? Isn't it funny yourself? About the supply of weapons to the Kurds - the PKK is only six years old since it jumped off the list of terrorist organizations. Nothing prevents, in view of the terrorist realities, to shove it back there. Or there are doubts about our "partners", eh?
The fifth point, of course, smacks of Soviet nostalgia. Even without comment.

You communicate on the verge of havmism, you are our expert. Syria should close the sky with the help of Russia. The grounds are the same on which the Turks shot down the plane.
At the expense of the PKK, he already wrote that he got excited. What is the problem?

[U-96]

Quote: arane

You communicate on the edge hawma

even so? Take the trouble to point out exactly where I ... hmm ... nahavmil.

Quote: arane

you are our expert.

not yours or an expert. But I hope that you consider yourself to be such. Is there a reason for this?

[arane]

Quote: U-96

Quote: arane

You communicate on the edge hawma

even so? Take the trouble to point out exactly where I ... hmm ... nahavmil.

Quote: arane

you are our expert.

not yours or an expert. But I hope that you consider yourself to be such. Is there a reason for this?

I wrote on the verge.
My boorishness is of the same nature as yours. I see no reason on your part to focus on this.
I'm an expert. But not in this area. Now I'm just a member of the forum.
You are some kind of evil ...

[U-96]

Quote: arane

I'm an expert.

oops ...

Quote: arane

But not in this area.

don't intrigue ...

Quote: arane

Now I'm just a member of the forum.

and so they look like an expert-ah ... Judging by the comments ...

[Boa kaa]

Quote: arane

I'm an expert. But not in this area.

Well, don’t weary ... "Gulchatay, open your face!" Tell us, you are an expert in the "cocoa" field. After all, the site moderators "wrongly" position you as a "visitor".
We urgently need to correct this "injustice"!

[Asadullah]

About the supply of weapons to the Kurds - the PKK is only six years old since it jumped off the list of terrorist organizations. Nothing prevents, in view of the terrorist realities, to shove it back there

Baby talk. The PKK will not be officially financed by anyone. It will be financed by the Kurdish diaspora. Or do you think this is a small bunch of Kurds abroad? And the official granting of autonomy to the Kurds in Syria opens the way for the supply of anything. Or will you also declare the Kurdish autonomy in Syria terrorist?

[U-96]

Quote: Asadullah

And the official granting of autonomy to the Kurds in Syria

what is this all about? Has someone provided it already? Like northern Iraq? Did I miss something?

Quote: Asadullah

The PKK will not be officially financed by anyone. It will be financed by the Kurdish diaspora.

Yes, her Kurdish flag in hand. After the PKK's refusal to create a state, no one is particularly funding it, and there is no particular excitement either. Kurds interfere with everyone, and this is no secret. Iraqi Kurdistan is a creature of the Americans, not the "diaspora". Well, whose will is now blinding Syrian Kurdistan?

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: arane

On point 5, of course, I got excited, but otherwise ...

Yes, not a fig got excited, dear! It has become a sign of a developed democracy in our world today to support the "moderate opposition". So we will support. Open. Let the Kurds arrange such a thing for them there that they will not have time for scandals with us.

[Ze Kot]

Quote: U-96

Quote: arane

1. End all economic relations, a ban on the import of all Turkish goods.
2. Close tourist relations.
3. Close the sky over Syria for Turkish combat aircraft (warn and shoot down)
4. start supplying weapons (including air defense systems) to the Kurds, recognize the Kurds as fighters against ISIS.
5. Start secretly funding the Kurdish Workers' Party in Turkey.

You, forgive me, are talking nonsense. If everything is clear with the first two points, then the rest is nonsense.

Yes, Turks. But after the first point, all goods within Russia will rise in price. And if you do not fulfill commercial contracts, then this is a blow to the country's reputation. What will be reflected in the future.
And the second point ... On the one hand, yes. But on the other hand, travel agencies will incur losses. Employees without salary will remain.
The third point is 100%.

[arane]

Quote: The Cat

Quote: U-96

Quote: arane

1. End all economic relations, a ban on the import of all Turkish goods.
2. Close tourist relations.
3. Close the sky over Syria for Turkish combat aircraft (warn and shoot down)
4. start supplying weapons (including air defense systems) to the Kurds, recognize the Kurds as fighters against ISIS.
5. Start secretly funding the Kurdish Workers' Party in Turkey.

You, forgive me, are talking nonsense. If everything is clear with the first two points, then the rest is nonsense.

Yes, Turks. But after the first point, all goods within Russia will rise in price. And if you do not fulfill commercial contracts, then this is a blow to the country's reputation. What will be reflected in the future.
And the second point ... On the one hand, yes. But on the other hand, travel agencies will incur losses. Employees without salary will remain.
The third point is 100%.

Agree. But if we proceed from this logic, we shouldn’t have to meddle not only in Syria, but it would be better to go to the State Department for instructions. Then no sanctions, no crisis, and everything is in chocolate.
Zf you have to pay everything. For sovereignty too. No one will give it to us so easily.
On the other hand, the trade with Turkey is much more needed by Turkey. We do not get anything very important from them. The main direction is consumer goods of clothing, vegetables and fruits, leather goods. The only thing that will rise in price is tomatoes (for some reason, there are not enough of our own). The rest of the shaft from other manufacturers

[Asadullah]

You, forgive me, are talking nonsense. If everything is clear with the first two points, then the rest is nonsense.

And where do you see the nonsense? These are the most painful calluses in Turkey and the only ones that now need to be stepped on. Or what, to start a war with Turkey? This is exactly the dream of the Anglo-Saxons, to drag Russia into a war with the Islamic world, at least by a united collusion between the Arab monarchies and the Turanian aristocracy. The soldiers are already ready, the whole ISIS. These first two points are insignificant, you can't even sneeze from them. If you are so smart, voice your nonsense ...

[U-96]

Quote: Asadullah

voice your neraund ...

my "neerunda" is that I refrain from any idiotic forecasts and advice from the authorities. And I'm just waiting for her reactive actions. What the local couch generals offer, inflating their cheeks with a clever look, can be safely flushed down the toilet. A

Quote: Asadullah

the most painful calluses

everyone, without exception, has it. To stomp on them is, of course, the highest diplomatic aerobatics, yes, sir. Do not be like xoxlam. I hope the GDP will not disappoint us.

[Asadullah]

What the local couch generals offer, inflating their cheeks with a clever look, can be safely flushed down the toilet. A

The local "couch generals" expresses their thoughts, emotions, questions. Many of these thoughts came true exactly. And what is your mission? To puff up the importance of the cheek and declare everyone to be fools without the right to express the product of mental activity? Modestly pursing your lips and waiting for non-enchantment? Do you sell cement by any chance?

[U-96]

Quote: Asadullah

Do you sell cement by any chance?

Well, judging by your

Quote: Asadullah

Baby talk.

Are you by any chance nannies in a kindergarten with an intensive teaching of diplomacy and geopolitics? And this -

Quote: Asadullah

mental product

generally diaper

[arane]

Quote: U-96

Quote: Asadullah

Do you sell cement by any chance?

Well, judging by your

Quote: Asadullah

Baby talk.

Are you by any chance nannies in a kindergarten with an intensive teaching of diplomacy and geopolitics? And this -

Quote: Asadullah

mental product

generally diaper

People on the forum communicate, express their opinions. These opinions are often different. This is normal and interesting.
You probably need a personal forum where you will be alone. Read your comments and admire ...
You are the only one right and your opinion is standard ...
Do not be offended by us, orphans and stupid

[U-96]

Quote: arane

Do not be offended by us, orphans and stupid

Yes, I, in fact, do not take offense at you personally. Work on self-esteem.

[arane]

Quote: U-96

Quote: Asadullah

voice your neraund ...

my "neerunda" is that I refrain from any idiotic forecasts and advice from the authorities. And I'm just waiting for her reactive actions. What the local couch generals offer, inflating their cheeks with a clever look, can be safely flushed down the toilet. A

Quote: Asadullah

the most painful calluses

everyone, without exception, has it. To stomp on them is, of course, the highest diplomatic aerobatics, yes, sir. Do not be like xoxlam. I hope the GDP will not disappoint us.

Hmm. I don’t think there are those on the forum who give advice to the authorities. Although, who knows ...
And you refrain from this. Only those who can abstain can!

[U-96]

Quote: arane

Only those who can abstain can!

[Fat]

point 6 should be point 1. and straits can be widened as necessary.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: arane

This is a trial balloon. If we don't answer, everyone will kick us.
I am not suggesting starting a war with Turkey, but we can answer.
1. End all economic relations, a ban on the import of all Turkish goods.
2. Close tourist relations.
3. Close the sky over Syria for Turkish combat aircraft (warn and shoot down)
4. start supplying weapons (including air defense systems) to the Kurds, recognize the Kurds as fighters against ISIS.
5. Start secretly funding the Kurdish Workers' Party in Turkey.
6. Introduce a visa regime.

Everything is correct, only item 4 -

start supplying weapons (including air defense) to the Kurds, recognize the Kurds as fighters against ISIS.

you need to make it as noisy as possible and, moreover, it is easy to recognize the Kurds as fighters against ISIS - they are already at war with them.

A clause 5

Start secretly funding the Kurdish Workers' Party in Turkey.

- and why HIDDEN? Has the same America ever hesitated to give money "for the development of democracy" to anyone?

I think there are people here who understand boxing, and therefore I will not explain why the happy owners of the left rack immediately fall into sadness when a left-hander is put up against them. That is why many years ago we in the army deliberately "broke the stance" so that we could adequately respond and break the template to any enemy. So here - they give us "on the sly" left, well, we give them a "bad" as well ...

[Lord of the Sith]

I think Israel will help the Russian Defense Ministry with intelligence on the Turkish Armed Forces.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Gros

God-scorned us can only push the misinformation

That's it. Hope for them ..... Desu or not mischief - but the fact that our interests will be under the control of those who fled from us - this alone suggests that there is no need to wait for cooperation there. And, given the long-standing and mutually agreeable in all respects contacts of God's chosen ones with the United States, not only will you not wait for help, but you will not end up doing harm ... No, it's better without them ...

[Asadullah]

I think Israel will help the Russian Defense Ministry with intelligence on the Turkish Armed Forces.

What does Israel have to offer there?

[Million]

The day before yesterday I wrote that the Turks are a vile people. Today it was confirmed ...

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Hubun

And I remember urgently a poster in the materiel of the barracks, still Soviet, with samples of the potential enemy's weapons. And there were the USA and Turkey for some reason

And I still remember the flight time from the airfields of a potential enemy - 8 minutes. I remember from the same time and from the same posters.

[sergant1.1]

In solidarity, friendship with the Turks is impossible, just as the friendship of a man and a woman is a postponed sex (in our case, a postponed fight)

[kodxnumx]

Now, as soon as they understand that the smell of fried, I think the US and NATO will throw the Turk! They are fools or something, but the Turk needs to be punished in full!

[NEXUS]

Quote: kod3001

Now, as soon as they understand that the smell of fried, I think the US and NATO will throw the Turk! They are fools or something, but the Turk needs to be punished in full!

The United States and NATO have already disowned (leaked) Erdogan, saying that it was his personal initiative. The cruiser Moscow received an order to destroy everything that would pose a threat to us. Now all bombers will fly with the cover of fighters.

[cherkas.oe]

Quote: Hubun

And there were the USA and Turkey for some reason

Why were there? They are and will be enemies until we cover them.

[win]

Waited for meanness from them

According to the editor of the British television channel Sky News, having shot down a Russian bomber, Turkey was only in a very awkward situation diplomatically

[Drmadfisher]

in vain the minuses were pointed out to the article, written correctly. Now penguins are making bricks (one ping is a brick factory)

[PQ-18]

REMOTE!
from the Turkish citizen ADVANCER Erdogan ...
a kind of carte blanche of the Pentagon - GDP .. "wet" presumptuous accomplices of world terror
(by ourselves - it's ashamed ... to recognize Erdogan as an accomplice of ISIS!)

[gjv]

Quote: PQ-18

by ourselves - ashamed

Shameless - ashamed ?!
Wagging worms. At least in the eyes of them, at least gouge them out ...

[Altona]

Quote: PQ-18

REMOTE!
from the Turkish citizen ADVANCER Erdogan ...

-------------------------
Mishiko was also pushed in the back and then disowned by his "strategic friends" from the US and NATO ...

[Ross_ulair]

I'm not me, and the horse is not mine.

The Turks are being poured in this incident. They will be left alone with the Russian bear to deal with.

The main thing is done with mattress - countries in conflict, the Straits can be blocked for Russia, which means the "moderate" are safe.

And there they will land at least a hundred F-16 Turkish ones - they don't care, they don't consider slaves for people

[iliitchitch]

Quote: ROSS_Ulair

I'm not me, and the horse is not mine.

The Turks are being poured in this incident. They will be left alone with the Russian bear to deal with.

The main thing is done with mattress - countries in conflict, the Straits can be blocked for Russia, which means the "moderate" are safe.

And there they will land hundreds of Turkish F-16s - they don't care, they don't consider slaves for people

With what bolt will the straits be blocked? As far as I remember, we have to notify about the passage of ships, but certainly not ask permission.

[gjv]

Quote: ROSS_Ulair

Straits can block for Russia

Quote: iliitch

we have to notify about the passage of ships, but certainly not ask permission.

Closing the straits is unacceptable without an official declaration of war by Turkey.

[Ross_ulair]

gjv, iliitchitch

Your words to God in the ears. I really hope that the Montreux Convention will continue to work in these conflicting times. But vague doubts torment ...

[Fat]

cruiser Moscow in one salvo expands the straits in two.

[3officer]

Quote: gjv

Quote: ROSS_Ulair

Straits can block for Russia

Quote: iliitch

we have to notify about the passage of ships, but certainly not ask permission.

Closing the straits is unacceptable without an official declaration of war by Turkey.

But technically, it is easy for the Turks to do it, so we hope for international law.

[Asadullah]

Closing the straits is unacceptable without an official declaration of war by Turkey.

So.

[Asadullah]

The straits can block for Russia, which means the "moderates" are safe.

This is already a war.

[Same lech]

The Pentagon's response is more like trying to justify itself.

This confirms the version that our plane was shot down over the territory of SYRIA ... and if the death of our pilots from the fire of the moderate terrorist opposition is confirmed, then the Turks can be charged with heavy charges.
In general, ERDOGAN needs to pray that his stupidity will not cost TURKEY dearly.

[dr. sem]

ALREADY WILL NOT BE MILLED ...

[Monos]

It's a pity this comment will be deleted. And the declaration is good.
Join.

[arnulla]

It means that the Turkish fighter must be fired over Syria. America won't fit in for them

[Asadullah]

So we need to take a Turkish fighter over Syria

Necessary. Only not over Syria, but over Iraq. By the hands of the Kurds.

[serg1970]

The United States in its repertoire - "I'm not me - not mine," - as in all operations "under a false flag" ... But the ears stick out !!!

Erdogan is a goner ybludoK. Hopefully this whole story will be the beginning of his end and the end of his dreams of a New Ottoman Empire under his leadership.

[izya top]

you see, the Pentagon did it himself. now the whole world froze in fear and anticipation ... well, except for the jumpers, of course, those peremogs, ugh

[Egoza]

The European Commission (EC) has approved the allocation of 3 billion euros to Turkey to fight the migration crisis. This is stated in the EC statement circulated in Brussels. "The total amount of funds for Turkey is 3 billion euros. The funds will begin to be provided from January 1, 2016," the document says.

Source: http://politikus.ru/events/63743-oplacheno-evrokomissiya-odobrila-vydelenie-3-ml
rd-evro-turcii-na-reshenie-migracionnogo-krizisa.html
Politikus.ru

that's where you start. "Everything is paid" It is inconvenient for them to actively oppose, so the mercenary was found.

[Xocelolprox]

You are pestering about the United States. I am more than sure that the United States really had nothing to do with this (which, of course, does not exclude an indirect one). Erdogan is a nationalist who is on his own mind and who has gone too far. NATO here in general has no sideways to what is happening, because the downed plane is already a de facto declaration of war, which means that Article 5 does not work sideways here, because Turkey is an aggressor. And even if she worked, many would harness themselves for a distraught mustachioed idiot?

[Oleg14774]

Quote: Xocelolprox

Erdogan is a nationalist who is on his own mind and who has gone too far

Somewhere in the comments there was infa that his son had not sour money on the smuggled oil. So it's personal! And his nationalism is just a show. Mercantile and filthy son of a bitch!

[Asadullah]

Mercantile and filthy son of a bitch!

Yes. There is the ideologist of everything, the one who is Davutoglu. Damn, well, the company ...

[serg1970]

You may be right about the USA's innocence in this provocation, but this "EDUCATION" is used to protecting "its" children and will now begin to dodge, like in a frying pan, in order to shield Erdogan, hoping for the usual power of influence on the brain of the average person in its media ...

[Xocelolprox]

Well, Erdogan is not so his own for the State Department. No one will cry for him there. The United States likes people who are easily controlled and follow any order, which certainly cannot be said about Erdogan. They have been in contradiction since his last presidential term. Of course, they are used from time to time for the transit of weapons and terrorists to places of hostilities, but this can also be successfully done by any other person who, in addition to the above, will also be much more accommodating.

[Fat]

yes you what. is it possible without ov. not as it is impossible. but didn’t they have arranged. there are their flashcards. recently overtook to gain air superiority

[Comrade Bender]

It would be wiser for NATE to distance themselves from Turkey now, if they do not want to be publicly involved in supporting terrorists.

[Canep]

I do not think that NATO will merge Turkey, although who knows.

[Xocelolprox]

Yes, NATO does not care, having at its disposal the entire Western information resource, they will turn any situation in the direction they need. But, of course, they will want to distance themselves from Erdogan, if only for the sake of being away from the fire in the event of hostilities between the Russian Federation and Turkey (after all, in such a situation, no media will help you).

[Taygerus]

They jump off, just like not a coalition, their whole nature is selfish, that some of them have that and others, we will definitely not let them sleep well after what they have done

[mario_boo]

I hope the reaction of Russia will be adequate!

[wandlitz]

Well, apparently we need to act on the principle - an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth.

[kil 31]

Quote: wandlitz

Well, apparently we need to act on the principle - an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth.

Navryatli it will be so. For a long time, ours do not show sharpness. I can advise them how to make it softer so that everyone condemns Turkey and there will be no more incidents 100%. With the entire world community to say, we are withdrawing from the peace treaty between Turkey and the Russian Federation. We will bear in mind the world allied relations between the world countries and Turkey. If Turkey still zakosyet then what we have will introduce not only Turkey.

[Monos]

They analyze ... Well, well. But they also have Qatar, the Saudis, and the UAE in their kaolitsy. The merry campus has crept up. America! You will be poured! Akela missed!

[combat66]

So I don't want to fight, but they are forcing the scum.
And the first, under distribution, as usual, the weakest on the head - Turks, Poles, Balts and chubaties ... Just members of one circle, de-billy!

[Loner_53]

Quote: combat66

So I don't want to fight, but they are forcing the scum.

There will be no war, the situation will be like with the "Kursk", in any case, the turkofesques will be bad

[Wolka]

Do you know how the incident with Kursk ended ???

[dmikras]

Rather mugs of one member

[3axap82]

Everyone is afraid of ours and NATO. They do not want to inhale nuclear ash. And it became so close ...

[gjv]

Nothing has changed ... Twisty bastards!
How real and weighty will Putin's answer be?
Wouldn't it be bad to calibrate the ISIS training bases in Turkey with Calibers ?!
Tor-M2 to every Kurdish village!

[Geo73]

It remains only to ask God to save the world. We are actually in a state of war with a powerful military bloc and how will IT end?

[morpogr]

Yes, the Anglo-Saxons are masters of evading responsibility, and the Turks did not understand that they were divorced. Surely when it was planned, the mattress makers promised support, but now in the bushes like it was not in a coalition it happened at that time they were on their own, and we are observing everything as agreed with Russia.

[lexx2038]

I understand that Americans do not mind if we drop a bomb on a Turkish airfield?

[corporal]

Blood feud, or understand and forgive?
I still do not understand from the statement of the Supreme.

[Loner_53]

Quote: Corporal

Blood feud, or understand and forgive?
I still do not understand from the statement of the Supreme.

Rather second But others will now hold their tails, VVP has patience not infinitely.

[Prisoner]

Either there will be an answer and an answer harsh (preferably cruel), or after the Turks, someone else will want to indulge in impudent mischief. To paint our fighters under the Syrian ones and blame everything that flies in from the Turkish side. For not fig!

[Oldwiser]

Mironov and Zhirinovsky - to invite the leadership of the Kurdish Workers' Party to Moscow and express "moral support for the just cause of the national liberation movement of the Kurdish people - the second (after the Russians) large divided people in the world"

[Wedmak]

Well, of course not in business, who would doubt it. They just sent a text message to the Turks, a short "everything is ok, do it."

[skylare]

To me alone, does our present time remind me of the first half of the forty-first year? I'm afraid the order will not follow: "Don't respond to provocations."

[Zaurbek]

The Turks surprised the US with the campaign. What are the Turks counting on interesting? Our border is long, planes can fall everywhere.

[Mihalich17]

Clear the area where the PAPA bomb was shot down!
Equalize the Turkish border to zero !!!

[Junior, I]

And what brought down?
It's time to turn on our umbrella at full power with the suppression of all frequencies and over the Turks too.
Create a no-fly zone.

[Clueless]

Quote: Geo73

It remains only to ask God to save the world. We are actually in a state of war with a powerful military bloc and how will IT end?

Yes, as it is already accustomed to fight in their history. Well, almost the whole world will be in dust, we will survive and live again - it will not be the first time for us to restore the country after the war.

Though of course a bad peace is better than war in this case.

And the word mighty, I would probably remove in relation to NATO, too heterogeneous bloc, if the United States is knocked out of there with the first blow, the rest will be quickly turned on.

[katalonec2014]

Erdogan has to pay.

[GDV]

Now the most important thing is to stop and correctly calculate everything so that we can take our people out of Turkey and delay the capital, and then we will figure out how to pull a rubber technical product onto the globe.

[dchegrinec]

It is a pity that these F-16s flew away from the scene of the battle, otherwise they would all be sent in pursuit by a rocket in a hollow! Find them ... and hang them on a hook with Erdogan.

[Dr dron]

Burn this place with a nuclear strike, so that the Turks inhale radioactive ash for centuries! And the wild tribes were afraid even to look in the direction of our pilots!

[Boricello]

Quote: lexx2038

I understand that Americans do not mind if we drop a bomb on a Turkish airfield?

And this is aggression against a NATO member. In general, it is not regrettable but nothing will happen. They will talk a lot. Shake the air with loud statements. But they can’t do anything. GDP just revealingly clicked on the nose. And it is impossible not to answer, and it will not work out clearly.

[combat66]

Not a fact, it may even fly to the Turks.
A NATO member attacked and shot down .....! And this is an act of aggression by a NATO member! So, I don't know how for the US, but for the Turks, the death of people and the plane just won't work. The very first problem is that there are now thousands of our hostages there! I have no doubt that the freaks will arrive, but not tomorrow. You need to think about people.

[Consul-t]

The most amazing thing is that ours after all will not stop traveling to Turkey on vacation.
But if everyone refused at once, then they would feel.
Only we are divided and do not stand for each other.
It's a pity...

[Dry_T-50]

Quote: Boricello

And this will be an aggression against a NATO member.

In fact, it was a NATO member who committed the aggression, and in such cases, Article 5 of the NATO Charter does not apply.

[Yun Klob]

Ararat to the Armenians, Cyprus to the Greeks, Kurds of Kurdistan.

[dmitrymb]

Erdogan --- TERRORIST !!!

[Mountain shooter]

The Turks only need to remember that according to the Turkish constitution, President Erdogan is nobody, and there is no way to call him. He did not have time to "pull" the constitution for himself. Well, now it won't be in time. They will want to live, the arrows will be transferred to him, and he will have what he deserves.

[Sergej1972]

There, Prime Minister Davutoglu is his loyal junior ally. Therefore, de facto, Erdogan is in charge there. In addition, he is the first popularly elected president.

[dchegrinec]

The reaction of Russia must be made in many directions! Of course, declare a no-fly zone on the border with Turkey, destroy all planes crossing the Syrian border, impose sanctions, organize an international tribunal, an anti-terrorist operation in the border zone, punish the bandits who shot our pilots.

[Stinger]

The Pentagon's logic is clear. It is always designed for Anchuria. The exceptional understand everything anyway. What will the sophisticated logic of an enlightened Europe give out? In addition, Russia has surrounded NATO and wants to take the sprats away.

[1536]

I’m thinking, how can you go on vacation to a country that shoots down the planes of your country? Let the Germans go there to this Turkey. You can't get overwhelmed with them.
But there will be those who will shout that this is business and nothing personal, that the people of Turkey are not to blame and nothing to do with it. The fact that the people of Turkey have nothing to do with it is understandable. Only this people chooses murderers and announcers ready for any crime as rulers.

[GDV]

I think we need to support our friends, fighters for the independence of a free Kurdistan, fighting for their independence and against manifestations of world terrorism.

[sabakina]

The Pentagon and its logic: Turkey is in the American coalition, but when the Russian plane was shot down, it was not considered in the American coalition ...

I was afraid of this answer from the Pentagon ... it remains to "see":
Or they will merge ...
Or they are tired of living ...
I'll insert a video for those who did not understand, Silvio personifies Russia... The plot is somewhat reminiscent of today's.

[Jackking]

to land a trooper, to squeeze out the Bosphorus

[tinibar]

Quote: Hubun

From time immemorial, the Turks of Russia have played dirty tricks, well, I do not believe in friendship with them. Waited for meanness from them and waited, unfortunately. And I remember urgently a poster in the materiel of the barracks, still Soviet, with samples of the potential enemy's weapons. And there were the USA and Turkey for some reason

And how many wars did "world imperialism" wage with Russia by the hands of Turkey? Long live our allies - the ARMY and the NAVY!

[dr. sem]

CLEAR IT WAS LIKE A WHITE DAY THAT SGA AND NATO WILL DISSOLVE FROM DE BIL ERDOGASHKI ... BUT WHAT'S NEXT?

[Thompson]

Quote: Boricello

Quote: lexx2038

I understand that Americans do not mind if we drop a bomb on a Turkish airfield?

And this is aggression against a NATO member. In general, it is not regrettable but nothing will happen. They will talk a lot. Shake the air with loud statements. But they can’t do anything. GDP just revealingly clicked on the nose. And it is impossible not to answer, and it will not work out clearly.

And the shooting down of the plane is not NATO aggression?
Let's see ... Will Putin have the courage to kick the Turks in the teeth.
especially for a long time they pissed me off

[tiras85]

Talking a lot and so writing "this topic" is humiliating. NATO should KNOW, for their jackals, they are all (NATO)
in ANSWER. And it is INERVATIVE. Stop the fool to "turn on"!

[atamankko]

The dastardly policy of the Turks will still be punished,
sorry for our guys and their families

[Delph]

There is an opinion that in the near future someone will have a point with a negative angle on "E" . and so, I dare to assume that for this blow from the sly, our President will answer with all his, having to be, harshness. Let the maternal tears of the killed None of the guys come back to haunt !!!!

[Junior, I]

Well, with gas they have already flown 100%!
They shot themselves in the head!

[iouris]

Talking about gas in connection with this brutal murder of Russian pilots is the height of cynicism.
The Turkish leadership openly sided with those who blew up a passenger plane and terrorize the population of NATO countries.
By the way, I admit that this incident will not affect the gas project, and tomorrow thousands of fellow citizens will fly to the Turret region, invest petrodollars in ISIS logistics.

[Gormenghast]

"You are dealing with a Turk - do not let go of the stick","If you want a Turk to listen to you, hit him with a stick". (Armenian sayings)

[raid14]

Turkey needs to respond harshly to the downing of a Russian military plane, otherwise Russia will no longer be respected in the international arena and every trash “with an eye on the owner” will wipe their feet at any opportunity.

[EDDI 76]

the Pentagon justified Turkey’s actions, but no one expected anything else, and the fact that our compatriots were blown up over Egypt, now the Turks have killed them, why sit around waiting again until the situation is fully clarified?
Well, you can’t do that... I picked up the tug... as they say
we need to bring the matter to the end... if we delay, they will waste even more

[Goldmitro]

... According to the official representative of the American military department, Turkey in this situation did not act within the framework of the American coalition....., although the Russian side had previously agreed with the Americans to coordinate actions in order to prevent any incidents in the air (and Turkey is a member of NATO and US ally).

As always, a complete lie! Washington has two coalitions in Syria! One, it seems, has been fighting ISIS and terrorists for several years and has already destroyed several excavators and tractors of terrorists! Russia agreed with her on flights in Syria! Another coalition, whose activities are not advertised, but which is much more active in Syria than the first, includes Turkey, Arab monarchies and NATO countries that categorically do not accept the Syrian state! The task of this coalition is to support ISIS and other thugs=terrorists groups opposing the Syrian government with the goal of overthrowing Assad and finally destroying the Syrian state! Within the framework of this coalition, the Turks acted, are acting and will continue to act until they are given a blow to their brains!

[tiras85]

French people! Maybe it’s not worth “pedaling” in the skies of Syria. But how will they shoot down, NATO colleagues!? And they will disown...
RUSSIA is “wiry” and hardy. You are sophisticated democrats, truth-tellers. Is it worth getting into a “quarrel” against the owner
"steer"!? They have long ago replaced their originality with American “delusional” values...Remember the songs
E. Piaf. In FRENCH! AND BISTRO, in RUSSIAN!

[AlexTires]

The United States has long been inciting the Turkish authorities to take adventurous actions against Russia in order to remain on the sidelines and observe the international community how it will react to another provocation against Russia. I think there is no need to explain to anyone who is the sponsor of all the provocations...

[v.yegorov]

The Greeks asked for supplies of MANPADS, but ours did not give them. During the year the Turks violated air
space of Greece ~ 1500 times. We urgently need to sell the S-300 to Greece and Cyprus.

[spec-80]

thoughts.feelings - I’m very sorry for the pilots and their relatives. I’m very sorry for the body that gave the order to launch the missile. Now it (the body) will not sleep peacefully. Well, since NATO and the Pentagon believe that Turkey was defending its airspace. then it is necessary to shoot down. sink everything that crosses our borders without regret or doubt. as politely as possible. rescuing pilots. sailors. I think our rabbis can mislead NATO pilots. This is how to carry out the operation of forcing respect. It’s interesting that our satellites are keeping an eye on the borders of Syria and Turkey. etc. (I apologize for not writing properly. I don’t know how to write in capital letters, etc.)

[iouris]

The US and NATO (including France) will most likely provide Turkey with full support. The former Minister of Defense of Latvia has actually already let it slip.
On the other hand, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the General Staff must take part of the responsibility for the lack of results in this area (although I don’t remember that there were contacts with the Turks on this issue). They could send a note explaining that Russian aviation flights near Turkey’s borders are not directed against Turkey and draw a “red line.” The ground operation to liberate the area has not been completed. Fighter aircraft also did not demonstrate a willingness to fight back. The pilots were not saved. The footage of the pilots being shot from artillery guns speaks for itself: this is a deliberate, brutal murder.
I wonder what our wonderful Churkin is doing now at the UN Security Council?

[Karayakupovo]

The legitimate government of Syria asked for help from the Russian Federation. She didn’t ask for others and the UN Security Council didn’t give the go-ahead. Accordingly, Russia has every right to declare an “unmanned” zone and shoot down even those same “Turks” with their “friends” and help the Kurds in their fight (as under the USSR). I AM FOR. My friends are Kurds, not Turks. TURKIAN-BASHKIRIN. I have the honor.

[iouris]

We must understand that Turkey, as a member of the international community, has not only rights, but also responsibilities. It is necessary at the UN to seek the isolation of Turkey as an accomplice of ISIS. At least we will know “who is xy”. The scheme is as follows: USA-NATO-Türkiye-ISIS. And there is no need to talk any more about “joint struggle.” Assad remains. The “moderate opposition” to Assad enrolls as members of ISIS.

[james]

And I always said that you should only go to Turkey in a tank and with an AK on your back, and everyone told me that they are good and how cool it is to relax there, but I told a Muslim a Christian will never be a friend, especially a Turk who has so many defeats and losses from RUSSIA.

[Dry_T-50]

I propose introducing a no-fly zone over Syria for all NATO planes with air-to-air missiles on board, because IS does not have aviation, and the rest should be allowed through only accompanied by armed Russian fighters and ONLY those that will attack IS. Shoot the rest to hell

[hartlend]

The big NATO partner set up the little one and says: “I have nothing to do with it, I have nothing to do with it at all.”

[Andrey VOV]

There are no peaceful Turkmen, Turks and others there... there are no moderate and immoderate, well-fed and others... all the world's trash and bastards are there and burn, burn with napalm, sunburn and pinocchio.... everyone!!!! peaceful grandmothers, grandfathers, children and old people, there are animal creatures!

[magirus401]

It’s not clear whether the cow is an American (Turkey) or walking on its own

[viktor561]

"Türkiye in this situation did not act within the framework of the American coalition." - well then, excuse me, we’ll screw around Turkey - since they’re not yours

[sledge]

They will merge Pendosy Turks......

[pofigisst74]

This is the frame and he ordered it to be shot down. With the expectation that they won’t prove anything. Otherwise, why were interceptors deployed to Turkey three weeks earlier? Who flies there? Everything was getting ready. And now the obamysh pretends that he is not in business. Substituting a partner is not his first choice. IMHO.

[TOR2]

The Pentagon's logic here is quite understandable. If you remember one of the Cold War incidents. Then our guys chased after the mattress pad that had violated our airspace. I had to stop in time, but in the parking lot one of our guys hit the offender, but I just can’t do it. It was unlucky then that the debris fell into neutral waters. Then the mattress makers themselves offered to compensate for the cost of the plane and pay benefits to the children of the deceased pilots until they reach adulthood, and ours agreed. Now they cannot tell the whole world that these rules no longer apply, but maybe in the future they themselves will come in handy. Therefore, the Pentagon’s response will not please the Turks. It’s like you got yourself into trouble, so you can clean it up yourself.

[Vlad5307]

Quote: U-96

You, forgive me, are talking nonsense. If everything is clear with the first two points, then the rest is nonsense.

You are mistaken - this is not nonsense, this will be a big problem for the Turks, and combined with the severance of economic ties, Erdogan will not remain in power for even a year - he has weak support within, and after that he will be left alone with his internal political opponents!

[mvg]

The morning is wiser than the evening.. GDP is correct that it doesn’t solve anything in a hot head, although such options were definitely considered..
Everyone, of course, is very militant... no doubt about it. It is necessary to take revenge, and the more painful it is, the better.. But for some reason no one has written how to take revenge.. About “patriots, amateurs, calibers, Solntsepekoff, shells, tori and the like” I will remain silent, at least sometimes there must be brains turn on yourself..
Reality: the Turkish Air Force, in the conflict zone, is many times stronger than our Syrian group. I’m simply silent about the ground component.. The strongest in the region, well, maybe the IDF is comparable.. The Turkish Navy is also stronger than the Black Sea Fleet, and that’s true..
Dardanelles, Bosphorus... NATO intervention. Negative import/export balance. Turkish stream. All this plays for the Turks.
With a fresh mind, you just need to figure out how to take revenge on the infidels... So that it hurts. It’s not easy, but it’s possible.. And Erdogad simply doesn’t give a damn about all these belligerent attacks - to raze the Turkmen to the ground.
Real, smart proposals for the studio..

[Mikhail Krapivin]

Tomorrow will show everything. Maximum the day after tomorrow. May the pilots and marines rest in peace and eternal memory. And draw the appropriate conclusions from what has already happened. This is why Russia has always been strong.

[4ekist]

This will come back to bite the Ottoman pigs. They will wash themselves with blood.

[pollyaris]

If you don’t understand, then I’ll explain. Everyone knew that F16 fighters with air-to-air missiles flew into Turkey. But ours began to fly not as a unit, but individually without cover. How to understand this? Stupidity or deliberate setup? I hope that this is not stupidity, but that they played proactively to attract their supporters.

[Turkir]

It is certain that the attack on the plane was carried out with the full approval of the United States.
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By the way, I admit that this incident will not affect the gas project, and tomorrow thousands of fellow citizens will fly to the Turret region, invest petrodollars in ISIS logistics.

I’m not sure about the gas project, but about the thousands... thinking with their bellies, more than that.
It’s with the glass that they are “patriots”.

[Mobilized]

Negotiations and cooperation with Neanderthals are a futile exercise. Russia is forced to screw everyone up.

[pollyaris]

Ukraine was promoted to Crimea and Novorossiya for its obstinacy. It looks like our people will promote Turkey to create a Kurdish Republic because of Turkish intractability. We will enforce peace everywhere, even in the toilet. Don't dare strangers touch ours. We ourselves can only beat our own so that others will be afraid.

[GRIG]

Türkiye in this situation did not act within the framework of the American coalition.

Slippery interpretation.
Those. As I understand it, when an adequate response to such a provocation is required, our Western “partners” can be told that now, for example, we are bombing Turkey as a sovereign state, and when we bomb it as a NATO member country, we will inform them additionally ?

[Wolka]

this is the filthy, filthy insides of the Turks and their patrons...

[maikl50jrij]

This is where their coalition differs, in that they have no ends!!! Americans believe that the "drying" was shot down over Syria!!! That is, all the blame is placed on the Turks, despite the fact that they command all operations and movements! This is a clear provocation to draw both coalition factions into hostilities. They so want to “privatize” B. East! They promised us a “sweet life” if we intervened. And then there’s the Ukrainian question and in the Syrian one we’ve outdone them!

[Wolka]

Now the Kurds will be very happy to cooperate with Russia in their struggle with Turkey for a place in the sun

[YaMZ-238]

This means that we can bomb everyone in the same way: drop a couple of bombs on America and declare that at that moment America was our enemy, and now we are allies... I like this idea!!!!

[Mic1969]

I think it should be declared over the entire territory of Syria. Do not allow anyone there except those who have received permission from the Syrian government (at the moment only the Russian Federation). Why shoot down everyone, justify it by violating the Syrian border. They want to bomb ISIS, let’s first come to an agreement with Assad.
P.S. I didn’t read all the comments, so I may have plagiarized someone, sorry.

[Mic1969]

Declare a no-fly zone, of course.