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Why we began to talk less about Donbass

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It is very difficult to write about what was recently part of the soul. It was, but then for some reason it ceased to be. Has the soul changed? May be. Or did wisdom come? God forbid. But the fact remains. We are less and less interested in what is happening in Ukraine and, in particular, in the Donbas? Definitely not.


Why we began to talk less about Donbass


Readers have already noticed a sharp decrease in the number of materials on this topic. And this reduction did not come from the laziness of the authors. The reduction came precisely with the loss of the very possibility of obtaining information. We specifically reviewed materials on Novorossia for the last weeks. Uninteresting and unreadable.

But today is not about global fatigue on the topic of Donbass in particular. Why did we stop writing about the Donbass? Why did VO stop writing about Donbass? Is “putinsley” to blame or something else?

No one and no one merged. Except, of course, the Donbass itself. Since September this year, this region has become a zone of information exclusion. No, of course, it all started a little earlier. Somehow contacts began to disappear. Then, through other people, we began to learn that someone had fallen on the basement. Someone left for unknown reasons. Someone even came back or moved to Russia. And someone can not find. Just lost, that's all. War.

There were documents, there were recordings of conversations, there were video filming. And these materials became the basis for our articles. Anyone who has ever been in a combat zone will confirm a simple truth - all information must be strictly limited. Otherwise, the pursuit of truth can lead to death. Therefore, some materials have been waiting for their time for more than a year. Their time just has not come yet. But they are.

But still, we tried to write honestly, not only about victories, but also about negative things. Not to say that you were friends with the soldiers and commanders of the militia then, but good friends for sure. And while often arguing about the further development of the Donbass. They agreed with something, remained at something in their positions. At the same time, everyone understood, each has his own work. And the work of a volunteer assistant, a journalist is not at all as easy as the work of a soldier.

The fact that the power in the Donbass is changing, it became clear when the incomprehensible (but not for those who imagined the secret of the situation) was removed by the chairman of the legislative assembly. Then, when those who opposed Zakharchenko and Pushilin were finally removed from power.

Remember the information surge after this coup? Many have written. They wrote a lot. They wrote different. But the majority still hoped that nothing terrible had happened. Such arithmetic confidence is that the sum does not change from the rearrangement of the terms. Well, they changed one last name to another. One to another. In the place you know who corresponds to which place.

And along with the fragile world came the opportunity to get some money. And the one who is higher in power, respectively, has more opportunities. We in no way blame anyone. We simply state what happened in Donetsk and other cities. For charges need reinforced concrete evidence. With documents, with testimony of witnesses and victims. We do not have this. And this is not our business. For this there are special services, investigative bodies, prosecutors.

What happened next? Then there were reports of many volunteers from our country who were detained for various reasons. Then there was a stream of other volunteers who, disillusioned with LDNR, returned home. Then there were strange and tragic accidents. Then there were even more strange changes in people. Believe me, among our friends there are people who the hell is not a brother. People who do not know the word "fear." And they proved it many times in battles. And these people, even when there is an opportunity to talk about something, find out something, immediately leave the conversation. I do not know, I am not interested in it at all now. And further in the same vein.

The call from the person who enjoyed our unlimited trust in those times was most surprised. His word could be relied upon with closed eyes. Officer, a former Soviet Special Forces-Grushnik. He drove his people, by the same created a small unit to where it would not have dreamed in the worst nightmare. Now he is driving too. True, the Chinese heavy dump truck on one of the construction projects in Russia. A good outcome for a career. Ask about the fate of his group language is not turned.

The information space of Donbass has changed in the same way. Remember the articles of the authors from that side. Not a single article about the fighters. Not a single article about the political situation. Not a single article about how to build the republic. Not a military region, but some sort of paradise on earth. That holiday, the competition, then visit the leadership of the orphanage. That flowers are planted.

Now, reading the comments on the articles, you can see people from LDNR. It's fine. So freedom is left. Freedom is still there. Only now, periodically in the comments began to appear the same notes as in the Ukrainian media. Russia is no longer interested in Donbas. Russia has merged the Russian world. Russia has not left only the Crimea. The rest has thrown.

UkroSMI, however, the same claims are made to the West. But this is not particularly important. The main thing is, for some reason, they abandoned it.

Why Donbass fenced off from Russia in the information plan, we do not know. And do not want to know. We have always adhered to and are of the opinion: those who live there must decide it. Why New Russia, which once began as a free country with people's power, became a completely closed territory, is also not clear. Why the MGB and other power structures have become omnipotent there, all the more strange. It's more like a dictatorship, you know ...

All this time we have not abandoned attempts to establish bilateral communication with independent colleagues from both republics. With those who can give a real picture of what is happening and a real analyst. And, although our efforts have been crowned with success, the feeling of strangeness of what is happening does not leave.

Do you want to make a report about the school - bring permission from the Ministry of Education. You want to talk about utilities - permission from the relevant ministry.

And so in any, especially emphasize, in any field. What's in the LC, that in the DNI. I was extremely disappointed by the fact that in order for a person to go to boarding school, for which we brought gifts last year, and took some pictures, you have to go to Lugansk and carry a written permission to shoot and interview. This is despite the fact that the person is a journalist and a media employee from Alchevsk.

Not better, I note, things are in the DPR. There, without permission, you can only attend holidays and rallies. We very much hope that our remaining friends in both republics will still help us break through the information blockade that is taking place.
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  1. Tatarus
    Tatarus 27 November 2015 06: 46 New
    +7
    Everything as usual. Salvage defeats everything and everyone. It didn’t put it, they themselves merged. The golden calf planted them on their horns.

    And along with the fragile world came the opportunity to get some money. And the one who is higher in power has, accordingly, more opportunities.

    And Russia will be blamed. Strange, yes. The war won on the battlefield, won by a strong opponent, is lost to their own bureaucrats in their offices. They won later with blood and tears. Lost the dough. As a result, there is no New Russia; there are two dictatorships with two dwarf pinochet heads.
    1. Fedor
      Fedor 27 November 2015 18: 39 New
      +2
      Listen, dear! Would you pay attention to the fact that in the writings of these "Roman Skomorokhov, Alexander Staver" not a single fact is given? By the way, who are they, these very "Roman Skomorokhov, Alexander Staver"? Did this bother you at all? Does it bother you in any way that very serious charges are being brought, and if so, then they can be brought only accompanied by full-fledged factual evidence? And what these people have sprinkled, I don't even know how to call them, this is another "officer's daughter" (sorry, "miner's daughter"), claiming that "believe me, everything is not so simple in Donbass."
      1. aleks_29296
        aleks_29296 27 November 2015 21: 25 New
        +4
        The fact that information on the Donbass has been greatly reduced is an undeniable fact. And Skomorokhov and Staver have nothing to do with it, pay attention to the central media, they almost never talk about it either. This is not casual, apparently it is so necessary that this topic be forgotten.
        1. summer
          summer 27 November 2015 21: 57 New
          0
          Not just nothing to do with, and even on one hectare nothing to do with. If you think about it, of course.
          1. summer
            summer 27 November 2015 22: 39 New
            0
            And Girkin has nothing to do with it. And Obama, and Yanukovych, and .. etc. etc.

            "At what" only the people.

            It doesn’t occur to them (the authors) that in 2014, Novorossia was a utopia in those conditions.

            Of course, you can admire the madness of the brave. Can. Let us all together flare ourselves with the genius of Bronstein, who is Trotsky.
            Give the fire of myrrr rrrevolution!
            And who will answer for this? Pushkin?

            By the way, it would be worth studying the life of the Burrrevestnik rrrevolyatsii !!! A.M. Peshkova (damn it, the namesake of the hero pilot, out of place will be mentioned).
            And the waste products of Maxim Gorky. This is an interesting topic for interested people - look.

            At the age at which the aforementioned authors are, one must already think about the eternal. It is already necessary to become wise. And not to claim any rank of mind. Gorbachev is a Judas, Yeltsin is a "very stupid person" (censored, to believe corrected), Kravchuk is Mazepa.

            “And I have the right to make mistakes (in Girkin, in New Russia).”
            Mistaken - repent, sprinkle ash on your head and step aside, do not shine. Why are you better than Gorbachev, Yeltsin, Kravchuk? Those, too, were simply mistaken. They are not sappers - they somehow survived. And these authors will survive.
            You have to be more modest. Not broadcast, but speak. Neither Roman, nor Alexander together (clearly one of them writes - goes through the text "I" - the bottle "Alexander Marx - Roman Engels") or separately.
            What in the LC, what in the DNI. I was extremely depressed by that fact ...

            At least read the "joint" work. This is for a start.
        2. sssla
          sssla 28 November 2015 09: 06 New
          0
          Quote: aleks_29296
          information on the Donbass greatly reduced, an indisputable fact.

          The fact is yes, but the answer is simple and there is no need to look for complex combinations. Bread and! SHOW !!! Old as the world)) Well, as without this-
          Uninteresting and unreadable.
      2. Egoza
        Egoza 27 November 2015 22: 16 New
        +2
        Quote: Fedor
        And what these people have sprinkled, I don't even know how to call them, this is another "officer's daughter" (sorry, "miner's daughter"), claiming that "believe me, everything is not so simple in Donbass."

        The novel has every right! He ran to the other side 20 times with the help that was collected here at VO, directly for the "Ghost". Look in the archive for his reports!
      3. Kezhmar
        Kezhmar 27 November 2015 22: 27 New
        +5
        Dear Arkady! You have been on the site for over five years. Are you not ashamed to accuse and, moreover, to call these people - "the miner's daughter"? Need facts? They're on the news pages.
    2. Henry Katz
      Henry Katz 27 November 2015 22: 57 New
      +6
      If I made inferences based solely on Internet publications, I would probably reason like you. But, fortunately, I have the opportunity to observe the process with my own hands. Slower than desired, but still the process of becoming a strong territory in terms of discipline and regime is underway. Are the channels of information flowing to a friendly state cut off? So this is a consequence of blocking communication channels to the enemy. How do you want? LDNR cannot afford to check the "contactees" for a long time now. "Banning" everyone is a necessary measure, don't be offended. And frankly, from everything that was written on VO on the situation in the LPNR, little corresponds to reality (with all due respect to the authors). Therefore, this is better, so it is NECESSARY. Be patient a little and everything will level out soon, let's get rid of the Trojans.
      1. sssla
        sssla 28 November 2015 09: 11 New
        +2
        Quote: Heinrich Katz
        But, fortunately, I have the opportunity to observe the process myself

        Dima on VO more trust flags next to the nickname as in the Pavlov system! You can nonsense (BUT the right or right at the moment) to carry but the flag is correct or neutral and everything is in a bunch)) And you have it NOT the right one as I have already expressed reproaches for)) So do not pay attention to some points hi
        1. Sling
          Sling 2 December 2015 08: 27 New
          +1
          Quote: sssla
          A series of flags next to the nickname as per Pavlov’s system! You can nonsense (BUT right or right at the moment


          I welcome and disagree with you. There will always be bullshit judged by the cover. But their minority. I’m on the contrary, if the topic concerns the yellow-blakitnyh, then I listen to you, as to people who directly see everything from the inside.

          I also notice what they say about Belarus. People do not even have a clue what is going on with us, but they carry this ... God forbid that it would be so, as they say. Therefore, from my own experience, I listen only to those who know ...
  2. Good cat
    Good cat 27 November 2015 06: 54 New
    +7
    Again, the loot has become the most important thing!
  3. Nymp
    Nymp 27 November 2015 06: 59 New
    23
    Well, it has begun! In Donbass, corruption, everything is bad, but let them stump them, let them get out! Yes, no one asked (especially) to send troops there. But when 90% of the DPR and LPR voted to secede from Kiev, they were most depressed by Russia's non-recognition of these elections and the results. I know what I'm saying, I also have contacts with that side.
    1. domokl
      domokl 27 November 2015 07: 14 New
      +8
      What Russia has done and is doing, we know a little. Read the News of New Russia. And here is what over the years already the residents of Donbass themselves did indeed in the dusk. I also have contacts with the Donbass. And I often hear today too, we were leaked. You must. You must. We are an outpost ...
      When a man builds a house, he builds it himself! The rest help.
      1. Don
        Don 27 November 2015 11: 15 New
        +4
        Quote: domokl
        And I often hear today too, we were leaked. You must. You must. We are an outpost ...

        I don’t know who tells you this. For example, most of my friends don’t think so.
      2. Lelek
        Lelek 27 November 2015 11: 17 New
        +5
        Quote: domokl
        When a man builds a house, he builds it himself! The rest help.


        Four hands "FOR". They said very correctly. But, but .... Remember the phrase: "we are responsible for the one who ..."? But we did not help to create a real legal system in the republics, hence the lice. yes
      3. Yars
        Yars 27 November 2015 15: 06 New
        -5
        Quote: domokl
        What Russia has done and is doing, we know a little. Read the News of New Russia. And here is what over the years already the residents of Donbass themselves did indeed in the dusk. I also have contacts with the Donbass. And I often hear today too, we were leaked. You must. You must. We are an outpost ...
        When a man builds a house, he builds it himself! The rest help.

        they were not leaked, they were deceived! Since the DPR army is Akhmetov’s private army and in order for the people to support all this, they came up with a fairy tale that Russia did all this, but at the same time, the calculation was made that Russia would send troops to the Donbass and thereby unleash a full-scale war in Europe, but Putin perfectly understood everything that the Western elites had in mind and made the right decision!
        1. serohim
          serohim 27 November 2015 23: 33 New
          +5
          Do you say the right decision?
          Then answer the question. Do you leave the house to the robot leave the door or window open?
          The problem was not solved in a timely manner. And now new ones have piled up (Syria, Turkey).
        2. Good me
          Good me 28 November 2015 21: 27 New
          0
          Quote: YARS
          they were not leaked, they were deceived! Since the DPR army is Akhmetov’s private army and in order for the people to support all this, they came up with a fairy tale that Russia did all this, but at the same time, the calculation was made that Russia would send troops to the Donbass and thereby unleash a full-scale war in Europe, but Putin perfectly understood everything that the Western elites had in mind and made the right decision!


          Wow, what kind of analysis did a runaway (from grave) crest wash his asses for the elderly burghers at his own Europe ...

          Did the Deutsche Zeitung or Volkischer Beobachter tell you about this state of affairs?
      4. sssla
        sssla 28 November 2015 09: 53 New
        -3
        Quote: domokl
        And I often hear today too, we were leaked. You must. You must. We are an outpost ...

        Order given
      5. atalef
        atalef 28 November 2015 15: 37 New
        -2
        Quote: domokl
        What Russia has done and is doing, we know a little. Read the News of New Russia. And here is what over the years already the residents of Donbass themselves did indeed in the dusk. I also have contacts with the Donbass. And I often hear today too, we were leaked. You must. You must. We are an outpost ...
        When a man builds a house, he builds it himself! The rest help.


        Hi Sasha !!!
        100% in every word.
        Who wants - looking for an opportunity
        Who does not want is looking for a reason.
        1. sssla
          sssla 28 November 2015 19: 41 New
          0
          Quote: atalef
          100% about Israel, in every word.
          Who wants - looking for an opportunity
          Who does not want is looking for a reason.
      6. Good me
        Good me 28 November 2015 21: 33 New
        +1
        Quote: domokl
        When a man builds a house, he builds it himself! The rest help.


        What do you know about building in Russia in its historical sense? As a rule, housing was built by the whole world, the community, with ACTIVE participation of neighbors and relatives, especially fire victims, which can undoubtedly be considered the Donbass.

        The concept of "active participation", in the case of Donbass and Ukraine, since our global interests are tied there, including the elimination of the "Ukrainian bulge", in this case, can be VERY broad.
  4. Riv
    Riv 27 November 2015 07: 16 New
    21
    And less need to scare the people offensive ukrov. How many screams were there? "Here tomorrow! Here now! Here they are concentrating !!!" Well, where is it ??? It is clear that people no longer believe all these horror stories. Who cares about lies?

    So in this article, the author himself writes: "... a source enjoying absolute confidence, a former GRU officer ..." Enough of these tales. GRU officers are never former. From the word "absolutely". Either he is an officer of the GRU in Donbass on duty and then he will shy away from journalists, or he is the same officer as Strelkov is a White Guard. If it comes to that, then officers are never "former". Maybe a reserve officer, but what kind of "former" is he then?

    In short: less need to lie and people will reach for you.
    1. domokl
      domokl 27 November 2015 07: 29 New
      +7
      Quote: Riv
      former GRU officer ... "Enough of these tales. GRU officers are never former.

      You forget that we are all from the USSR. Therefore, it is entirely possible that a former Soviet citizen became a citizen of Ukraine. This is a fairly common occurrence. After the dismissal of the USSR, when the people thought that all these games of sovereignty were simply a temporary phenomenon, many received passports of the state where they were at that time. I have many friends so they became citizens of Belarus.
      1. Riv
        Riv 27 November 2015 08: 00 New
        +6
        What does "everything" mean? Firstly: not all, and secondly: not all "GRU officers".
        Yes, to hell with him, that’s not even the point. The author’s naive is astounding. He, you see, is not allowed where he wants. Mayhem! And this is not only noticeable to journalists. An ordinary militia complains in an interview that it used to be possible to push a gasoline to the side, or to weld something else, but now it is impossible. And he is not happy with this. The person was forbidden to steal and he seriously thinks whether to leave the service. OK, huh? Militia officers complain about the military bureaucracy. They do not understand the need for it with their brains. Previously, they took everything from the warehouses that they could carry away - but now they suddenly began to demand a report from them. I don’t speak about coal trading with ukram ...
        Twenty years of Ukraine have not been in vain for anyone and it is difficult for us in Russia to understand this.
        1. sssla
          sssla 28 November 2015 19: 52 New
          0
          Quote: Riv
          Twenty years of Ukraine have not been in vain for anyone and it is difficult for us in Russia to understand this.

          And you read about the partisans during the Second World War There is also a lot at the beginning of the war, but in the end there wasn’t a lot of sloppiness theft and ACTIVITIES and TAKE WITHOUT !! Why am I ?? And besides, in this category were all nationalities, despite the fact that before the war they themselves should know what discipline was in the Union !! So this is yours
          Twenty years of Ukraine have not been in vain for anyone and it is difficult for us in Russia to understand this.
          probably refers to "cleverness" and no more !!!!!!! IMHO
      2. Egoza
        Egoza 27 November 2015 08: 15 New
        11
        Quote: domokl
        You forget that we are all from the USSR.

        Here! HERE! everyone was subconsciously waiting for a little miracle! Proud NOVOROSSIA will become REALLY FOLK! without oligarchs! And maybe with it the complete liberation of Ukraine from the Nazis and the restoration of the USSR will begin. Not allowed. The capitalist LDNR is acceptable, but the socialist .... therefore, they removed from there (in various ways) all those who could truly resist. Therefore, people burned out there. But Plotnitsky is fattening. Why write about them now? They send a Humkonvoy, thank you very much, (I honestly and sincerely) only how it will be distributed not by our comrades
        V.Kornilov has a book "Donetsk-Kryvyi Rih Republic: A Shot Dream", he wrote it about the Republic of Artem. And now history has repeated itself. Only by other methods.
        1. Riv
          Riv 27 November 2015 09: 13 New
          +5
          Here you see! He himself agrees: everything begins with people and ends with them. Not the oligarchs, then. Well, yes, they also exist in Russia. Yes, they pull into your pocket. But if Russia was now in the position of Donbass - I do not believe that profiting from humanitarian aid would be considered in the order of things. The one who would try would just be considered a rat.
          But in Ukraine, this is normal and even envy thieves.
          Well, romance ... they don’t do serious things. Just because they quickly burn out.
          1. sssla
            sssla 28 November 2015 19: 55 New
            0
            Quote: Riv
            Just because they quickly burn out.

            Rather, they suddenly die !!!! Like Brain
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        3. Good me
          Good me 27 November 2015 11: 02 New
          10
          Quote: Egoza
          Here! HERE! everyone was subconsciously waiting for a little miracle! Proud NOVOROSSIA will become REALLY FOLK! without oligarchs! And maybe with it the complete liberation of Ukraine from the Nazis and the restoration of the USSR will begin. Not allowed.


          Explain who are ALL that "waited for a miracle" and WHO "did not give" ...

          Based on my sources in (in) the Donbass, the vast majority of people WAS and IS "parallel-violet", there will be "people's" republics or, for example, "bourgeois-democratic". People saw the main goal in rapprochement with Russia, in her assistance in the armed struggle, in the fact that they were not on the way with the established Kiev regime.

          In addition, with at least a little bit of common sense, it is already possible to understand that the ruling class of Russia does not intend to raise in the LPNR a "troublemaker" that we would look at with envy ...
          1. Don
            Don 27 November 2015 11: 23 New
            +5
            Quote: Good Me
            Based on my sources in (in) the Donbass, the vast majority of people WAS and IS "parallel-violet", there will be "people's" republics or, for example, "bourgeois-democratic". People saw the main goal in rapprochement with Russia, in her assistance in the armed struggle, in the fact that they were not on the way with the established Kiev regime.

            Absolutely.
          2. Egoza
            Egoza 27 November 2015 22: 22 New
            -3
            Quote: Good Me
            The main goal people saw in rapprochement with Russia, in its assistance in the armed struggle, in the fact that they were not on the way with the established Kiev regime.

            I know both the people who started everything and the goals that were set initially. Armed struggle came later. At the very beginning, we thought of making a separate PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC, because feared. that replace the Ukrainian oligarchs in Russian. Friendly relations - YES! But not part of the Russian Federation.
            1. Good me
              Good me 27 November 2015 23: 16 New
              +1
              Quote: Egoza
              Friendly relations - YES! But not part of the Russian Federation.


              "Entering, not entering", "people's republics without oligarchs" ... Do you yourself believe that the oligarchic system in Russia would help with its own money (!) To create "irritants - republics"?

              You are an idealist. And such do not survive if they do not leave the arena of struggle. An example of this is the commander and founder of Ghost, Mozgovoy.
            2. Kezhmar
              Kezhmar 28 November 2015 17: 30 New
              -2
              That's right, Elena. It’s just that some people have short memories.
          3. sssla
            sssla 28 November 2015 19: 56 New
            +1
            Quote: Good Me
            the ruling class of Russia does not intend to raise a "troublemaker" in the LPNR

            yes yes yes good
        4. Don
          Don 27 November 2015 11: 22 New
          +1
          What are you talking about?
          Quote: Egoza
          Proud NOVOROSSIA will become REALLY FOLK! without oligarchs!

          You do not specify the names of these oligarchs?
          Quote: Egoza
          and the full liberation of Ukraine from the Nazis will begin

          What for? Do you seriously believe that a large part of the population of dill wants back to the USSR? So I vaz disappoint 24 years of propaganda have done their thing. And in general, what kind of USSR? Stop living in the past. Donbass, Odessa, Kharkov in the Russian Federation want, and not in the USSR.
          1. Good me
            Good me 27 November 2015 12: 57 New
            +1
            Quote: Don
            What are you talking about?
            Quote: Egoza
            Proud NOVOROSSIA will become REALLY FOLK! without oligarchs!


            Apparently the citizen, being, apparently on the territory controlled by the junta, undertook to judge the processes in Donbass, based on her ideas about them, and trying to bring under them a kind of "revolutionary spirit", "the impulse of the people to build something there" ...

            There is an impulse of the people, FOR THE MEETING OF RUSSIA, and everything else, speculation and nonsense, completely not taking into account who is in power in Russia (not personally the figure of Putin, but the formed system), and how they intend to act in relation to LDNR, and Ukraine generally.
            1. Don
              Don 27 November 2015 15: 08 New
              +3
              Quote: Good Me
              There is an impulse of the people, FOR THE MEETING OF RUSSIA, and everything else, speculation and nonsense, completely not taking into account who is in power in Russia (not personally the figure of Putin, but the formed system), and how they intend to act in relation to LDNR, and Ukraine generally.

              Exactly. Initially, in the Russian Federation they wanted to. And at the rallies they shouted: Crimea, Donbass, Russia.
            2. Egoza
              Egoza 27 November 2015 22: 32 New
              0
              Quote: Good Me
              Apparently a citizen, apparently in the territory controlled by the junta, undertook to judge the processes in the Donbass,

              And not only about Donbass, but also in other cities, as communications do not break. Another thing is that I can’t write everything.
          2. Marat
            Marat 27 November 2015 19: 38 New
            +1
            You know, for ALL Donbass, I would argue with you very strongly, not to mention Odessa and Kharkov. The Novorossiya project has failed. And failed for a long time ...
            1. Riv
              Riv 27 November 2015 19: 50 New
              +2
              In fact, this project is developing quite successfully. Donbass has its own army, industry is working, and the banking sector has been launched without any fuss. And finally, the ruble completely replaced the hryvnia there. In general, the republic now, if we take the analogies with the USSR, somewhere in the early 30s. Meanwhile, Ukraine was reliably stuck in 1917.
            2. Dry_T-50
              Dry_T-50 27 November 2015 20: 26 New
              +1
              Quote: Marat
              You know, for ALL Donbass, I would argue with you very strongly, not to mention Odessa and Kharkov. The Novorossiya project has failed. And failed for a long time ...

              Verno. And there is no way back. I think Ukraine should be passed to Europe so that they swallow European life on the tonsils, then it will be possible to act as in 1654 year
              1. Kezhmar
                Kezhmar 27 November 2015 23: 04 New
                +2
                In no case should this be done. You don't have to hand over anything. When a person is infected with a dangerous disease, he is placed in an isolation ward so that he does not infect the people around him. This "tub of slops" cannot be given to the West. But we don't need it like that either. Let him sit in the "madhouse" built by the population itself until the end of the incubation period.
                1. sssla
                  sssla 28 November 2015 20: 00 New
                  0
                  Quote: Kezhmar
                  This "tub of slops" cannot be given to the West.

                  "Dear" tub with pom-mi is your place of residence !!!
            3. Good me
              Good me 27 November 2015 20: 59 New
              +3
              Quote: Marat
              You know, for ALL Donbass, I would argue with you very strongly, not to mention Odessa and Kharkov. The Novorossiya project has failed. And failed for a long time ...


              Argue it or not, but "Novorossiya's directive" is CRUSHED, in the silence of certain offices of the ancient fortress ...

              Everything else is secondary and consequences.
          3. Dry_T-50
            Dry_T-50 27 November 2015 20: 22 New
            0
            Quote: Don
            Donbass, Odessa, Kharkov in the Russian Federation want, but not in the USSR.

            I don’t know about the first one, but Kharkov and Odessa have now become cities of burned-out Russophobes
        5. sssla
          sssla 28 November 2015 19: 53 New
          0
          Quote: Egoza
          Not allowed.

          Who ???
    2. mark2
      mark2 27 November 2015 09: 08 New
      +3
      Yes, we are all here colonels of the GRU and the FSB)))
      1. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 27 November 2015 10: 50 New
        +4
        Quote: mark2
        Yes, we are all here colonels of the GRU and the FSB)))

        Not all. There are also lieutenant colonels)))
        But in general I do not see anything catastrophic in this.
        There are such concepts as "radio silence mode", "minute of silence" ...
        It often happens that information issued with a hint of confidentiality is immediately available to the public, and to a large extent flavored with various speculations and hypotheses that are irrelevant, and more harmful than good.
        Freedom of speech should be metered)))
    3. Don
      Don 27 November 2015 11: 17 New
      0
      Quote: Riv
      So in this article, the author himself writes: "... a source enjoying absolute confidence, a former GRU officer ..." Enough of these tales. GRU officers are never former. From the word "absolutely". Either he is an officer of the GRU in Donbass on duty and then he will shy away from journalists, or he is the same officer as Strelkov is a White Guard. If it comes to that, then officers are never "former". Maybe a reserve officer, but what kind of "former" is he then?

      Exactly. And that he still worked as a carrier. Having served in the special forces of the GRU, the cop could not at least get a job?
      1. Good me
        Good me 27 November 2015 12: 22 New
        +2
        Quote: Don
        Exactly. And that he still worked as a carrier. Having served in the special forces of the GRU, the cop could not at least get a job?


        Usually, for "piece goods", which are "ex-GRUs" (we will not "deliver", "there are, they are not former" yes ), there is a "train" that allows them to quite well "fit" into various structures "in civilian life" in which their specific knowledge, experience and skills are in demand ...

        The case described by the authors, frankly, is not typical ...
        1. Don
          Don 27 November 2015 15: 03 New
          0
          Quote: Good Me
          The case described by the authors, frankly, is not typical ...

          If not invented.
          1. Kezhmar
            Kezhmar 27 November 2015 23: 57 New
            0
            I am one of the "atypical cases". No, I’m not GRU. He served as a simple kid in the PV. Already became a corporal (PKS, first issue). Nothing better than the guys around, far from "Rimbaud". And then, in the history of our country, there was a period when there was a lack of junior officers. And I became a junior lieutenant. We have ten grades of education. "Doros" to the station, the battery commander ... I wanted to get a job at the ATC as a driver, but they refused me. Motivation: we cannot put an officer of the Ministry of Defense to a rank-and-file position, we would gladly take you to the UR as an opera, but you have no education. I, senior l-t reserve, work as a driver. Lied? Made it up? I will not go down to scanning a ticket.
            1. Good me
              Good me 28 November 2015 15: 27 New
              +1
              Quote: Kezhmar
              I am one of the "atypical cases". No, I’m not GRU. He served as a simple kid in the PV. Already became a corporal (PKS, first issue). Nothing better than the guys around, far from "Rimbaud". And then, in the history of our country, there was a period when there was a lack of junior officers. And I became a junior lieutenant. We have ten grades of education. "Doros" to the station, the battery commander ... I wanted to get a job at the ATC as a driver, but they refused me. Motivation: we cannot put an officer of the Ministry of Defense to a rank-and-file position, we would gladly take you to the UR as an opera, but you have no education. I, senior l-t reserve, work as a driver. Lied? Made it up? I will not go down to scanning a ticket.


              Well, excuse me, the battery commander (I don’t know which one) is not a GRU officer, as I wrote, with SPECIFIC KNOWLEDGE and SKILLS.
              For them, if they are really combat officers, and did not shift papers in the offices (although there will be a place for an accountant), the "hunt" is conducted from the moment the documents are submitted to the military registration and enlistment office when registering ...

              There for such people, "order" yes
              1. Kezhmar
                Kezhmar 28 November 2015 17: 54 New
                0
                I see you are from the last "Internet Marine". Spinoza.
          2. Good me
            Good me 28 November 2015 15: 18 New
            0
            Quote: Don
            If not invented.


            I will not be surprised if this is so.
          3. domokl
            domokl 28 November 2015 18: 42 New
            0
            I don’t know about the invention, but I know such a person ... By the way, the senior officer was in one very popular brigade.
      2. Massik
        Massik 27 November 2015 12: 26 New
        +2
        Quote: Don

        Exactly. And that he still worked as a carrier. Having served in the special forces of the GRU, the cop could not at least get a job?
        Did you serve there yourself? Well, at least in the Ministry of Internal Affairs, where do you say he could get settled?
  5. Cap.Morgan
    Cap.Morgan 27 November 2015 07: 18 New
    +9
    I do not know.
    Interest has not died away, just a note of sensationalism. There is stability, time is working for us now. Let's see how the winter goes.
    In this situation, the opposite - the lack of news - is in itself very good news.
    1. Monetniy
      Monetniy 27 November 2015 07: 33 New
      +8
      And what should be the news? The shelling goes on every night, people die but on the main TV channels they don’t even stutter about it !!!
    2. Lelek
      Lelek 27 November 2015 11: 51 New
      +5
      Quote: Cap.Morgan
      In this situation, the opposite - the lack of news - is in itself very good news.


      A little off topic, but the news is good - I hasten to share:
      (cry.)
      1. Dym71
        Dym71 27 November 2015 12: 30 New
        +2
        The Kerch region began to receive electricity through the commissioning of a 50 MW unit at the Simferopol Thermal Power Plant from repair, and not through supplies from the Kuban’s energy bridge, the Ministry of Energy said.

        RIA Novosti http://ria.ru/incidents/20151127/1329665507.html#ixzz3sgNvzOyo
      2. Bayonet
        Bayonet 27 November 2015 14: 41 New
        +1
        Quote: Lelek
        A little off topic, but the news is good - I hasten to share:

        It seems early rejoice.
        "The Ministry of Energy of the Russian Federation denies information on the supply of the first 22 MW through the energy bridge from the Kuban to the Crimea, in turn, First Deputy Prime Minister of the Crimean Government Mikhail Sheremet denied his own information about the start of electricity supplies from the Kuban."
        RIA News.
  6. Monetniy
    Monetniy 27 November 2015 07: 29 New
    +8
    When I wrote here a couple of months ago that the series about Novorossia is over, and in the new season there will be
    Syria, they got me sick. But I was right. The series about Syria did not distract people from pressing problems and truckers took to the streets and Varchs who cut salaries up to 75% began to ask questions, in general, people began to become somehow interested not in Ukraine but in the country itself, that's why we are waiting for hot news about Turkey, and in no way Do not ask about education, medicine, corruption, taxes and salaries of deputies and officials. They are poor they are missing.
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    2. BLOND
      BLOND 27 November 2015 07: 47 New
      +2
      This is a series for you ... Switch the channel
      Life is bad for us, but we are put in a situation - we made a choice
      1. Monetniy
        Monetniy 27 November 2015 08: 07 New
        +6
        That's the point that on all channels all the time throughout the year, Ukraine, Donbass, Ukraine, Donbass. And now the silence. And people didn’t go anywhere there and the war didn’t end about it actually and there was this libel
        1. BLOND
          BLOND 27 November 2015 09: 14 New
          0
          In this word all your essence
          The meaning of the word Pasquille in the Dahl dictionary:
          Lampoon
          m. anonymous nameless letter, diarrhea, inscription; nailed where, or sent out a sheet, with an abusive, nameless mockery. A libelous composition. Foul mug, nasty, nasty. Pasquilquic, writer of libel.
          1. Monetniy
            Monetniy 27 November 2015 09: 18 New
            +1
            Yes, I scold our media. I have nothing to praise them for.
            1. antoXa
              antoXa 27 November 2015 12: 43 New
              -1
              Monetniy
              And whose media do you praise? There are such?
              And if there are none, then it is not entirely correct to write "our media", there is enough information flow about Donbass and about Syria and Turkey on the Internet, I don't want to, everyone chooses for himself.
              And you have too much bile in you ... Series, libel ... many oracle words write oracle, and the author of this article collected humanitarian aid for quite a long time and personally took it to Donbass, and for him I think it wasn’t a series.
  7. GRAY
    GRAY 27 November 2015 07: 35 New
    0
    Do you want to make a report about the school - bring permission from the Ministry of Education. You want to talk about utilities - permission from the relevant ministry.

    In fact, a completely different "ministry" issues permits; everything is done as it should be in a belligerent country.
  8. Wolka
    Wolka 27 November 2015 07: 39 New
    +3
    if you believe the author, then everything is a pity, very sorry ...
  9. Aleksandr21
    Aleksandr21 27 November 2015 07: 42 New
    +4
    I think that the Russian leadership played an important role here, responding to the headline "Why did we talk less about Donbass". Well, for example, a year ago on state TV channels there were the same key words: Junta, Novorossiya, Militia, etc. now you can only find the word "militia" and then rarely, I generally keep quiet about the first words. The focus of attention has also shifted from Donbass to Syria, this is an indisputable fact, information also from (Donbass) began to be dosed, if earlier in Russia24 they talked about the DPR / LPR all day, now they are silent ... and there is reason to suspect that the current leadership of Russia does not support the leadership of the self-named republics, calls for the recognition of the LPR and DPR as separate states were (like South Ossetia, Abkhazia) but remained unanswered. Good or bad, I don’t know, since I don’t have information on the leadership of the self-named republics, there is no one truth here, everyone has their own truth, therefore there are only different points of view, and everyone has their own attitude to all this.
    1. sa-ag
      sa-ag 27 November 2015 07: 55 New
      0
      Quote: Aleksandr21
      the current leadership of Russia does not support the leadership of the republics itself, calls for recognition of the LPR, DPR as separate states were (in the likeness of South Ossetia, Abkhazia) but remained unanswered.

      As far as I understand, the recognition of a territory is possible only when the initiative comes from the leadership of the Russian Federation, the initiative from the electorate is welcomed in elections and other referenda, and there is no substitute for ideas from higher officials
    2. GRAY
      GRAY 27 November 2015 08: 01 New
      +2
      Quote: Aleksandr21
      I think that the Russian leadership played an important role in responding to the headline "Why did we talk less about Donbass". Well, for example, a year ago on state TV channels there were the same key words: Junta, Novorossiya, Militia, etc. now you can find only the word "militia" and then rarely, I generally keep quiet about the first words.

      At the moment, the situation, in brief, is as follows:
      There is no more militia - there is an army. There is no New Russia either - I hope you yourself see this.
      The junta, as a power, is quite satisfied with Ukrainians, so it’s more correct to call it the government of Ukraine.

      And what do you want to hear from the TV?
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 27 November 2015 09: 31 New
        +6
        Quote: GRAY
        The junta, as a power, Ukrainians are quite satisfied,

        So she (the junta) and the Russian Federation are satisfied, otherwise they would not have recognized her.
        1. GRAY
          GRAY 27 November 2015 10: 19 New
          +2
          Quote: Egoza
          So she (the junta) and the Russian Federation are satisfied, otherwise they would not have recognized her.

          What is interesting? Ukraine, in fact, is a state hostile to Russia. You can recognize the junta or not recognize the essence of this will not change.
  10. Military Builder
    Military Builder 27 November 2015 07: 46 New
    +1
    The center of global tension has shifted to the Middle East, whoever gets the upper hand there will be the winner in Ukraine.
    1. Monetniy
      Monetniy 27 November 2015 07: 57 New
      +4
      This does not negate the objective coverage of what is happening in the Donbass.
  11. Belousov
    Belousov 27 November 2015 08: 10 New
    +7
    Something there is an increasingly muddy situation. It somehow becomes sad from all these undercover intrigues. People are dying at the front, and bureaucrats in the office are changing everything for the benefit of their own wallet ...
  12. Aleksandr21
    Aleksandr21 27 November 2015 08: 12 New
    0
    Quote: GRAY

    At the moment, the situation, in brief, is as follows:
    There is no more militia - there is an army. There is no New Russia either - I hope you yourself see this.
    The junta, as a power, is quite satisfied with Ukrainians, so it’s more correct to call it the government of Ukraine.

    And what do you want to hear from the TV?


    Your question is interesting, I wrote that I want to hear something from there "from the TV"? I just wrote what was before and what is now (on television). As for the armies, I agree, now they exist, but this does not negate the fact that there is some kind of filter in terms of information, don't you think so? I agree with your understanding of the words "Novorossiya" and "Junta", but I was talking about something else :)
    1. GRAY
      GRAY 27 November 2015 09: 14 New
      +1
      Quote: Aleksandr21
      there is some filter, don't you think so?

      All media like "hot", if there is no special tin, then their interest quickly disappears. For, in this case, ratings do not grow and, accordingly, advertising revenues do not grow either.
      Because of this, more high-profile events always come to the fore when overshadowing everything else.
      For example, it is not particularly advertised that trade restrictions imposed on Ukraine do not apply to the LPNR - this is "uninteresting" information.
      1. Lelek
        Lelek 27 November 2015 11: 42 New
        +3
        Quote: GRAY
        there is some filter, don't you think so?


        It's just that EVERYONE is tired of the country "former Ukraine". So much talked about that - blisters with a fist.
        IMHO, it is necessary to calmly help the republics to recover and it is necessary to start with the "social sphere" and the legal system, building it for society, and not for personalities. We ourselves have a great many holes in this regard that cause public outrage (for example: "Serdyukgeist", "Chubaisgeist", "Senchin's millions", etc.).
        1. GRAY
          GRAY 27 November 2015 15: 19 New
          0
          Quote: Lelek
          and you need to start with the "social" and the legal system,

          I do not quite agree here, there should first be preferences for the economy, they can then do the rest themselves.
          smile
  13. Neputin
    Neputin 27 November 2015 09: 08 New
    14
    What do you think, you will be given to build statehood on the basis of a different attitude to property, different from the surrounding countries? You have to be a complete "very stupid person" to hope so. Russia and its leadership are the first to fear that even a small state based on the principles of social justice (we will not call the system) will be formed nearby. This was possible only once and could only succeed in Russia - the power and margin of safety of this country was too great. Remember what happened after 1. Civil war, external intervention, squeezed the country as if in a vise. The Bolsheviks miraculously managed to save both the country and the new state system. And in the current situation, Russia is on the other side of the barricades. Yes, we help people (gumkonvoy, etc.), but changing the state system (and it is precisely determined by who owns the means of production) is like death. After all, examples are contagious. What if they also want to in Russia itself? Read Karl Marx and do not harbor any illusions about Russia - it is the same cap. the country, like everyone else, and big capital rules it
  14. oracul
    oracul 27 November 2015 09: 26 New
    +2
    A strange article, which is probably why there are strange comments. As if woke up. Life is not a mummy, even in any person it is constantly changing, and we are talking about a global world. It’s bad when they forget about something, but it’s not good to cry that they have left the foreground. Priorities always arise and this is normal. Another thing is that someone has already become a TV star and is worried that they forgot about him. Simply, everyone should be engaged in the business to which he is assigned. His work should be evaluated, first of all, by the people for whom he is called to work, and not by TV and media journalists.
    And about the people's republics. The desire to build socialism on a single territory is understandable to me (such as this). But what are the real possibilities for this? Won Girkin does not hide that he is a monarchist, someone dreams of independence, someone about anarchy, someone about socialism, someone faithfully believes in God. And where should the poor peasant (people) go?
  15. Aleksandr21
    Aleksandr21 27 November 2015 09: 31 New
    +5
    Quote: GRAY

    All media like "hot", if there is no special tin, then their interest quickly disappears. For, in this case, ratings do not grow and, accordingly, advertising revenues do not grow either.
    Because of this, more high-profile events always come to the fore when overshadowing everything else.
    For example, it doesn’t particularly advertise that trade restrictions imposed on Ukraine do not apply


    But don't tell me, for example, in Africa, terrorist attacks and massacres occur constantly, and in such quantities that terrorist attacks in Paris never dreamed of. Is there Tin, Murder, Blood? Yes, but here's the paradox, people on that continent are not like in Europe or the United States. So much depends on who these media belong to. If we take specifically our media and central channels, then the answer is obvious - to the state. Mass media is, first of all, the strongest administrative resource, and only then the awareness of the population on various issues. For me, the moment of watching the recording "Evening with Vladimir Solovyov" was very indicative, when viewing the comments I saw that Satanovsky was cut from the program ... then of course I found the piece where he says that in the USSR there was always money for defense, and for the canvases, etc. but in modern Russia they prefer to spend money on expensive watches and stuff like that. And after all, not a word was not true, and the administrative resource was used to remove unwanted words. The same situation applies to all other internal problems, they prefer to be hushed up and focus on something else. As for Donbass and Crimea, a very strong administrative resource of the media was used, but as soon as the position of our president regarding the issue of the integrity of Ukraine became clear, a filter was immediately put on news from Donbass, and even if the Minsk agreements are violated (shelling, murder of civilians) then the media do not talk about this and this is very sad.
    1. GRAY
      GRAY 27 November 2015 10: 32 New
      -5
      Quote: Aleksandr21
      Satanovsky was cut out of the program ... then of course he found the piece where he says that in the USSR there was always money for defense, and for guarding the railway, etc. and in modern Russia they prefer to spend money on expensive watches and stuff like that

      What's the truth? He talked about it, right? You haven’t messed up anything?
      And then, I see, the Peskov watch does not let you go. am
      Channel "Russia" cut out the clash between Kurbanov and Satanovsky

      Yevgeny Satanovsky in his usual manner tried to hint to the participants in the discussion that Ruslan Kurbanov, who had studied and taught at the time at the Syrian University Abu Nur, is a lawyer for terrorists.

      “I have long told the FSB what you were trained in Syria,” said Yevgeny Satanovsky on the air. However, Satanovsky did not specify what they could be taught at this university, founded in Damascus by the former supreme mufti of Syria, Ahmad Kuftaro.

      In response to his unfounded accusations, Satanovsky received a tough reaction from Ruslan Kurbanov himself, who accused him of consistently and purposefully giving Israeli interests as Russia's interests. laughing
      A Caucasian expert accused the opponent of regularly exchanging concepts on all television channels - imposing Israeli phobias on Muslims and Muslim countries of the East for Russian society and the state for the only possible line of Russian politics in this extremely sensitive field.

      However, the most surprising thing is that after this discussion was broadcast live, the Rossiya channel cut out an episode of a tough clash between Kurbanov and Satanovsky and posted a truncated version of the program on YouTube and its own website.
      1. GRAY
        GRAY 27 November 2015 13: 38 New
        0
        Quote: GRAY
        Satanovsky was cut out of the program ...

        Kindly, my dear dissenting minusers, justify your minuses.
        I just caught a man in a lie. That's all.
        If he lies in this aspect, then there is no guarantee that he does not lie otherwise.
  16. Denis DV
    Denis DV 27 November 2015 09: 39 New
    +2
    Question to the authors. Is the permission checked at roadblocks along the route and at the place of collection of the material (photo, video, interview)? Why, the war in the Donbass did not stop, and restricting the movement of unwanted elements in their rear cannot be just someone's whim, probably, these are all security measures. Judging from the material, the problem is not obtaining such permission? And I would like to hear about a specific case of a direct ban put forward by journalists. thank hi
  17. Vadim237
    Vadim237 27 November 2015 09: 45 New
    +1
    "We have forgotten about Donbass", or anything - the new rulers of B / Ukraine will start a war there again - we will speak again.
  18. runway
    runway 27 November 2015 10: 09 New
    +3
    Whatever events take place in the world, the most important for Russia will be the situation in Ukraine.
    The author of the article again equated a feather to a bayonet? But that has already happened. I believe that it depends on which fighter and which journalist whether equality is possible in this equation. The fact that there is not enough "material" on this topic for the author is the problem of his personal qualifications. And nothing else.
    Ukrainian fascists again put tanks on the line of contact.
    So they comply with the Minsk agreements ?!
    Every day, New Russia, under shelling and blockade by Ukraine, spends in the struggle for its freedom. New Russia is not to blame for the fact that the oligarchs in the Russian government intend to seize the enterprises of unrecognized republics under their influence. New Russia is fighting to ensure that these enterprises belong to the republics, and not serve as a means of enrichment to individual prokhendey.
    To say that the material on this topic has become scarce, at least incorrect.
    1. GRAY
      GRAY 27 November 2015 10: 43 New
      0
      Quote: piston
      To say that the material on this topic has become scarce, at least incorrect.

      That's not the point; everyone is used to it simply. No matter how bad it sounds.
  19. Baloo
    Baloo 27 November 2015 10: 47 New
    +2
    What is known about the fate of the volunteer, whom our border guards surrendered to the SBU in the summer?
  20. user3970
    user3970 27 November 2015 11: 02 New
    +1
    The only good news is that Surkov, a friend of GDP and Akhmetov, was removed from the work of the curator of Novorossia. and yet. Russia does not have enough resources to work on two fronts at the same time - Ukraine and Syria.
  21. Aleksandr21
    Aleksandr21 27 November 2015 11: 05 New
    0
    Quote: GRAY

    What's the truth? He talked about it, right? You haven’t messed up anything?
    And then, I see, the Peskov watch does not let you go.


    And why did you decide that "Peskov's watch won't let go"? I just recounted the moment where the words of Satanovsky were cut out, and I didn’t say that about "Peskov's clock" :) You are trying to change the concept and focus on completely different things. For your information, I voted for Putin and support his foreign policy, but I do not always agree with domestic politics, but this does not make me an oppositionist or an enemy of the state. I spoke about the filter in the media, about the Donbass, and about the fact that I do not support this point. Do you support the suppression of the violation of the Minsk agreements, the shelling and killing of civilians? I'm sure not, then what are you trying to prove to me? It is simply not necessary to confuse the filter for Western propaganda and all sorts of "European values" with objective coverage of the situation in the world, including in our country.
    PS And if I’m not mistaken, then a piece was cut out on the topic of a terrorist attack with our aircraft (in one of the programs), so the quote you quoted is past, but this is so to the point. Yes, and does not apply to the topic of the current discussion.
    1. GRAY
      GRAY 27 November 2015 13: 43 New
      -3
      Quote: Aleksandr21
      PS And if I’m not mistaken, then a piece was cut out on the topic of a terrorist attack with our aircraft (in one of the programs), so the quote you quoted is past, but this is so to the point. Yes, and does not apply to the topic of the current discussion.

      I’m on the drum for whom you voted for.
      A person who has lied once, lies and twice.
  22. 2s5giacints
    2s5giacints 27 November 2015 11: 08 New
    +1
    can zaminusat, throw poop. my opinion on Ukraine is that when Ukraine was moving to the European Union of Russia it was necessary to prevent this. the question is, why did Ukraine want to join the European Union and not the customs union? Yes, nothing would have changed, as they would have stolen They stole the Maydan’s protest from the people, but the oligarchs took advantage of the Maidan. People threw it as usual. This war in the Donbass requires the junta to be in power, Russia needed that Ukraine not get closer to Europe and NATO tanks should not stand near our border. that’s all done. and then our government doesn’t have an understanding of where to move. There is no definition of what to do with Ukraine. It feels like the whole situation is frozen, but how the hell will it be. Donbass is unnecessary if it has a popular government, God forbid our people look at their successes and arrange their maidan. here and removed normal people from Donbass. let’s better cut the loot like everyone else and don’t bring confusion to the masses. what to do with Ukraine? no one knows, the path is ordered to Europe, joining Russia is now impossible. the people of Ukraine understand that they have divorced it, it is necessary for all the people to admit that they were wrong, and this will not happen. Maybe our people can reconcile over time. One way out is to make an independent state from Ukraine. How can I put it on nationalists (only non-Western)? so that they take power into their own hands and drive the oligarchs with a filthy broom. and begin to build a normal state. but you won’t be able to do this in the first place to the Russian oligarchic system, a bad example is contagious. secondly, an independent Ukrainian state is also unnecessary in Europe. thirdly, the nationalist movement is denied both in Ukraine and in Russia (nationalism = Nazism, fascism)
    1. Kostya Andreev
      Kostya Andreev 27 November 2015 12: 58 New
      +2
      the question is why Ukraine wanted to join the European Union,because there are pensions of 3000 euros, and all men have a Mercedes, and their wife is blonde with size 5, and women all have 5 sizes, and a man with a Mercedes. Communicating with refugees, this feeling of returning to Russia of the 90s did not leave.
      Craving for a freebie for many.
      what would be the protest of the people without Aunt Nuland's cookies and Uncle Sam’s dollars.
      Yes, the Russian government does not have an understanding of what to do next, but you can see everything.
      What's in your concept people's government. Guess: This is the one that thinks about the people. And what is normal state? Could you give an example of such a state on planet Earth. In my opinion, in the modern world and historical conditions, Russia is a normal state, neither better nor worse than others.
      The people of Ukraine do not understand anything, I’m not lying, he understands: that Russia is to blame, that Putin is a liar, and the Russian invaders.
      The problem of Ukraine will be solved just as it arose, by turning Ukrainians into Poles, Romanians, and Russians.
    2. Egoza
      Egoza 27 November 2015 22: 29 New
      +1
      Quote: 2s5giacints
      why did Ukraine want to join the European Union and not the customs union?

      and who said they didn't want to? The referendum on this issue was not allowed to be held, it was canceled, having found fault with the fact that it had to be registered 12 hours earlier from the date of its holding. But then, according to data and polls carried out by then respected newspapers, the result was somewhere around 70% for the TS, and 30% for "Europe". But our fugitive president quickly curtailed this business and frenzied propaganda began, which was then promoted even more.
  23. Kostya Andreev
    Kostya Andreev 27 November 2015 11: 30 New
    +1
    didn't understand what the authors wanted to say? Referring to the Ukrainian media, talking about some kind of pear guys with a sad end to their careers (if it doesn't sound cynical, then such a pearman means.
    As I understand the situation: Donbass is de facto part of the Russian Federation. With their problems, with their own under carpet intrigues. All.
  24. GAF
    GAF 27 November 2015 12: 34 New
    +1
    Long before the coup, there was enough information on the Web about the plight of those who are not in Donetsk itself. Digging in kitchen gardens for coal mining under the "roof" of criminals, etc. The military actions did not add order. The respite makes it possible to start somehow ordering the chaos. The oligarchs of Ukraine and Russia have their own interest in the Donbass, and, as they say, "a crow will not peck out a crow's eyes." Moreover, they are part of the world's finances. All this is cooked in one boiler. What should be a chef to ......?
  25. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 27 November 2015 13: 26 New
    +3
    Well, we have agreed here a long time ago - everything goes strictly according to a very cunning plan. Putin came up with, it is our business to believe and wait, soon everything will work out on its own and all of Ukraine will be ours. If it does not work out, then the lazy miners who self-merged are to blame for everything, this is elementary.
    In short, going to Syria is more interesting there. Let's argue how exactly a powerful Putin will punish a miserable endorgan. By the way, in spite of the fact that there is no cunning plan in Syria yet, we all understand that if something goes wrong, then the strictly lazy Syrians who have self-merged are to blame.
  26. 2s5giacints
    2s5giacints 27 November 2015 14: 13 New
    +4
    Quote: Kostya Andrei
    the question is why Ukraine wanted to join the European Union,because there are pensions of 3000 euros, and all men have a Mercedes, and their wife is blonde with size 5, and women all have 5 sizes, and a man with a Mercedes. Communicating with refugees, this feeling of returning to Russia of the 90s did not leave.
    Craving for a freebie for many.
    what would be the protest of the people without Aunt Nuland's cookies and Uncle Sam’s dollars.
    Yes, the Russian government does not have an understanding of what to do next, but you can see everything.
    What's in your concept people's government. Guess: This is the one that thinks about the people. And what is normal state? Could you give an example of such a state on planet Earth. In my opinion, in the modern world and historical conditions, Russia is a normal state, neither better nor worse than others.
    The people of Ukraine do not understand anything, I’m not lying, he understands: that Russia is to blame, that Putin is a liar, and the Russian invaders.
    The problem of Ukraine will be solved just as it arose, by turning Ukrainians into Poles, Romanians, and Russians.

    you wrote down all Ukrainians to freeloaders and dumbasses, you probably only know Ukrainians on TV. I talk with real refugees who work in two jobs to feed their families because the status of the refugees was not given to them. At the expense of the normal state, the banal Vasilyev and Serdyukov , the rise in price of gasoline, raising the salary of officials twice as much amid talk of raising the retirement age (where people often don't live up to retirement anyway) is offhand. And I ask, do we have a normal state? Although, if you compare with Somalia, yes. People’s government, in my opinion, is such a government that works for the good of its country. It doesn’t keep children, loot, and property abroad so that if something goes wrong. Asked for an example of a normal state, please, Israel. How would Jews not matter. They turned out to be not only weep, but you’ll be surprised even they grow potatoes with carrots, and we bought (we can’t grow our own) and, all the more, Jews would not whine and goof on forums about Sat the last plane by the Turks, they would break the airfield and everyone would be wiped out
    1. Kostya Andreev
      Kostya Andreev 27 November 2015 14: 51 New
      +1
      NOT all, but those who did Maidan, and fought for the European future of Ukraine.
      There is. who work hard, but at the same time do not refuse Ukrainian citizenship, and they write letters to Putin. About. so that they would not be evicted, and the owners of the Russians who rent out their housing are asked in court to say that they have not been in the Russian Federation for a long time.
      You didn’t try to work, so that your Russia would not be Somali, but like my normal state.
      I am very glad to know that there are no problems in Israel, if only they would tell us in more detail about the number of inhabitants. If Israel is a normal state, then why are its neighbors so disliked. and what will happen to Israel if the United States stops supporting it, for example, allocating money for defense (I do not want to offend Jewish comrades.
      forgot to mention electronics, and medicine.
      As for carrots and potatoes, demand gives rise to a proposal. If I want Jewish carrots and can buy, then they grow. not when I didn’t think that the Israelis grow potatoes in the fields.
      Well, go volunteer and show how to break Turks. And in Israel there are no fools among politicians. and do not squeeze your Wishlist for the demands of political
  27. Baloo
    Baloo 27 November 2015 14: 14 New
    0
    On the Regnum:

    On November 26, at the border checkpoint “Melovoye” (Lugansk region, under the control of the Armed Forces of Ukraine), Ukrainian border guards detained two “Russian military personnel”.
    This was announced on November 27 by the assistant to the head of the State Border Service of Ukraine, the press secretary of the department Oleg Slobodyan, a REGNUM correspondent reports.
    “The border guards of the Lugansk detachment near the checkpoint“ Melovoye ”detained two citizens of the Russian Federation dressed in military uniform with identification marks of the internal troops of the Russian Federation for illegally crossing the state border,” Slobodyan informed.
    He assured that the detainees were "servicemen of one of the units of the internal troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia." At the same time, the detainees claim that they allegedly went to Armavir, "in order to pass exams for the right to wear, it takes on a dark green color."
    “The detainees explain that they allegedly came to Ukraine by chance ... At present, measures are being taken to establish the circumstances of the offense and make procedural decisions,” Slobodyan specified.

    Details: http://regnum.ru/news/polit/2022230.html?

    Who has the details? Or is it another Buryat underwater cavalry?
  28. Bayonet
    Bayonet 27 November 2015 14: 48 New
    +2
    "For that fought for it and ran". From the very beginning, I did not share the irrepressible enthusiasm of the public - "Forward to Kiev!", Give Lviv! "And so on ... You have to be realistic. hi
  29. partizan86
    partizan86 27 November 2015 15: 19 New
    +1
    Too much dirt, rudeness and bravado on all sides. Which frankly tired.
  30. holgert
    holgert 27 November 2015 16: 26 New
    +3
    .... sorry !!! how it all began well !!! still it was necessary to go to Kiev and take Mariupol, and only lost time and opportunity !!!!
  31. Normal ok
    Normal ok 27 November 2015 17: 02 New
    +1
    Today in the news, it passed that the Ukrainian border guards detained two Russian troops at the border crossing:
    [media = http: //korrespondent.net/ukraine/3595765-poiavylos-vydeo-s-zaderzhannymy-
    voennymy-rf]

    "Lost" or checking the mode of service at the border? In other words: if there is nothing in the media, this does not mean that nothing is in reality.
    1. GRAY
      GRAY 27 November 2015 18: 31 New
      -1
      Quote: Normal ok
      Today in the news, it passed that the Ukrainian border guards detained two Russian troops at the border crossing:

      There are villages and urban settlements on both sides of the border at the same time. Yaytsenyuk, however, did not build a wall, so even if this is true, it is not surprising.
  32. GUSAR
    GUSAR 27 November 2015 18: 16 New
    -2
    New Russia smells like shit, shit !!!
    1. GRAY
      GRAY 27 November 2015 18: 32 New
      +6
      Quote: GUSAR
      New Russia smells like shit, shit !!!

      From you, too, does not smell of violets.
  33. 2s5giacints
    2s5giacints 27 November 2015 18: 43 New
    +1
    Dear, if you are interested, I have been working for a long time, not in the office like some couch experts. and the real sector of the economy. If more precisely, the locomotive driver. and I see what is happening in the country from its bell tower. In the Russian Railways (which was created in 2004 by Putin), the complete collapse and ruspil.mat works in a village in a sanatorium for 6000 rubles collective farms in ruins and so on. and so on about Ukrainians, friends fled from the city of Komsomolsk near Donetsk. They did not formalize the status on the border, and when they came to our city they showed them figs with oil. Now they are applying for citizenship in the usual way. Regarding the Jews, why should they love their neighbors? They cut off lands from their neighbors for their state. You can say they are invaders, if there was such an Israel country before, it was a long time ago and they didn’t. they are surrounded by bearded men with Kalash, but you will agree that it is better for them than the organized battle-worthy army of a neighbor who chopped off the land. I don’t have to judge them. Regarding Maidan, watch TV less. One example of the year 2011, I definitely don’t remember. The train drivers of the depot Yaroslavl missed. in principle, the requirements were fair, they work with Muscovites on the same site, and the salaries are different. Here and put the electric train with cancer. We turn on the TV and see. not train drivers, but offended passengers who are late for work and mother of railway workers. they immediately remembered that railway transport was a strategic area, and the strike was unauthorized. In general, they accused the drivers of all mortal sins and almost transplanted them.
  34. Radikal
    Radikal 28 November 2015 01: 14 New
    0
    Quote: Henry Katz
    If I made inferences based solely on Internet publications, I would probably reason like you. But, fortunately, I have the opportunity to observe the process with my own hands. Slower than desired, but still the process of becoming a strong territory in terms of discipline and regime is underway. Are the channels of information flowing to a friendly state cut off? So this is a consequence of blocking communication channels to the enemy. How do you want? LDNR cannot afford to check the "contactees" for a long time now. "Banning" everyone is a necessary measure, don't be offended. And frankly, from everything that was written on VO on the situation in the LPNR, little corresponds to reality (with all due respect to the authors). Therefore, this is better, so it is NECESSARY. Be patient a little and everything will level out soon, let's get rid of the Trojans.
    "Katz suggests ..." not to give up? bully
  35. Klibanophoros
    Klibanophoros 29 November 2015 20: 36 New
    +1
    The Kremlin Nightingale said that "Nobody promised anything to Donbass." Well, sign and get the "Russian world" ... Syria suddenly turned out to be more expensive for Putin.