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Erdogan stabbed us in the back. What will answer?

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What happened should have happened. It's a question of time. The time has come. In Syria, there is a war, and inevitably everyone was prepared for the inevitable losses. But of course, so that in the back, do not expect.


Erdogan stabbed us in the back. What will answer?


Erdogan revealed his true face to the Russians. There is no doubt that the attack by the Turkish fighter of our Su-24 is not a private initiative of the Turkish Air Force pilot. There is only one person who is responsible for the tragedy. That is the president and commander-in-chief of Turkey Erdogan.

It is quite clear that at the moment Erdogan is in a fit of hysterics. Russia stepped on his sore spot: pocket. It is no secret that the main part of the bulk oil tankers destroyed by the Russian HVAC, went to the companies controlled by the Erdogan family.

30000 oil barrels in Syria and 20000 barrels in Iraq are mined in ISIL-controlled territories. And 90% of this oil went to Turkey. And oil was sold at a price of 10-35 dollars per barrel.

It is significant that no explanations were given from Turkey regarding the incident for many hours after the tragedy. Only an appeal to NATO colleagues. Say, protect from Russian.

Low and mean.

So, what is the fault of Russia?

Russia has moved to the destruction of infrastructure facilities and oil factories of the LIH.

Russia practically blocked the main road to Turkey, which was used for the supply and pumping of oil and antiques from the plundered ISIS in the occupied cities.

What steps has Turkey taken?

On November 20, Turkey accused Russia of attacking the Turkmen village of Bayyrbudzhak, and the Turkmen (Turkomans) allegedly "joined in" the fight against IS. In fact, being under the complete control of Ankara, parts of the Turkomans covered the departing towards the Turkish border. Moreover, the Turkomans declared the ISIS war after the air strikes received from the Russian HVAC.

Not far from our air base, a large aviation compound (Incirlik). Which consists mostly of fighters. The data are approximate. 12 American F-15C (clean fighters and well-armed), 14 F-16 Turkish Air Force. Well, a trifle like attack aircraft and tankers.

An open act of aggression against Russia. The destruction of the Russian aircraft being in the airspace of Syria.

What could be our answer?

Recognize that, despite the statements made, Turkey is not a member of the anti-terrorist coalition led by the United States and NATO, but an accomplice of ISIS. Based on this, plan the next steps.

Enhanced protection of our aircraft by the Su-35 at full combat load to work in the air and suppress, more precisely, the destruction of any aircraft that fly into the zone of the Russian aviation. The answer is based on Article 51 of the UN Charter.

The transfer of attacks on the border with Turkey areas of Syria. The goal is to completely deprive the Turks of the opportunity to help the IG. Complete destruction of all vehicles heading for the border with Turkey.

Start targeted support for the Kurds in the military sphere. The Kurds are a knife at Erdogan's throat and real opponents of ISIS. The enemy of our enemy is our ally.

Suspend until better times all significant economic projects, from the construction of nuclear power plants to the "Turkish Stream". We cannot risk the lives of our fellow citizens who will have to work in a country that is one of the centers of aiding and abetting terrorism. We don't need the second Mali.

Stop all tourist trips of Russians to Turkey. In the name of security.

What happened with our aircraft is a hostile step towards Russia. And it is necessary to react to it quickly and rigidly.

Erdogan obviously played in the great Ottoman Sultan. It is the support of ISIS and the petrodollars received for the oil extracted by terrorists that allowed Erdogan, who has been in power for about 15 years, to revive the economy and create an army. The strongest in the region.

Erdogan pursued a policy to destroy all potential competitors in the region. Libya, Syria, Iraq. And, it should be noted that Turkey began to occupy an increasingly important position in the Middle East.

But Russia came and confused all the cards. And the oil flow began to dry up.

The fact that Erdogan committed both meanness and stupidity is understandable. The destruction of the Russian aircraft will entail a reaction from Russia. And everyone who is interested in the fight against LIH.

Turkey’s actions have clearly shown that Turkey is at war with ISIS only in words. In fact - this is the same assistant LIH, like Qatar. How it will react in Europe is not yet clear. But this behavior of Turkey is unlikely to meet with clear support.

Moreover, Europe may even go to the deterioration of relations with the United States on the issue of LIH. It will be very difficult for France to explain to its citizens the way out of the coalition and joint actions with Russia, the Germans too.

Truly, the world is beginning to share according to another principle. On the one hand, those who make huge money with the help of terrorists (the United States and Turkey), and on the other, those who fear real hostilities on their territory (Russia and Europe).

The Turks made a move by showing their true face. Now it's Russia.

P.S. A number of Russian tour operators in Russia have announced the termination of sales of tours to Turkey.
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  1. oldav
    oldav 25 November 2015 06: 15 New
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    From time immemorial the Turks were the most vile nation. In the 19th century, Turks made up only 30% of the population, the remaining Greeks, Armenians and Kurds (approximately equally). For 50 years, they destroyed everyone except the Kurds.
    1. Finches
      Finches 25 November 2015 06: 24 New
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      When in the 41st year, the Shah of Iran with excessive tenderness and warmth glanced towards the Millennium Reich, then the 3 armies of the USSR instantly entered into the territory of this state quickly changed the whole alignment and the shah fell in love with the countries of the anti-Hitler coalition with all Persian passion ... And Erdogan is generally a bandit it’s unlikely that anyone can get off the road, except for the Saudis and Qatari-accomplices! Well, in the USA they’ll sing a little for the public!
      1. Alexey-74
        Alexey-74 25 November 2015 10: 14 New
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        The word is now up to our specialists ... I think we will also hear about the consequences for Erdogan and maybe for the whole of Turkey .... I do not mean the outflow of tourists.
        1. silver_roman
          silver_roman 25 November 2015 11: 17 New
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          the consequences must be military too. remember in the Hollywood movie "Pearl Harbor" there was a moment when, led by Major Doolittle, the US Air Force bombed Tokyo ??? So there was a phrase: "Our blow is not like a sledgehammer, but a prick of a needle, BUT IN THE HEART !!!!!!".
          Then the States did this not for strategic purposes, not so that in the future EVER, Japan would become worse, but solely so that the enemy would understand: no one would go unpunished. and for that I respect them. By the way, the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki is a consequence of the impudence of the Japanese. We will not talk about those codes, this is not the point.
          If now the Russian Federation will release everything on the brakes, if as already, we will continue to introduce bans on the import of meat from Turkey and other measures, then this will be an answer not worthy of our country.
          I personally believe that blood must be shed. Say whatever you want. That I am a couch warrior, that I am an "expert" and so on, BUT you cannot let this go. hit once, if left unanswered, they will hit a second time. I am personally just furious ... ............
          1. Firstvanguard
            Firstvanguard 25 November 2015 18: 31 New
            +1
            It seems a sensible comment, but it smells ...
            Doolittle, merikantosy, and even the excuse of nuclear bombing, where did the wind come from? If you really wanted to give a historical example, then why not the bombing of Berlin by Soviet aircraft in August 1941 ??
            1. silver_roman
              silver_roman 26 November 2015 11: 10 New
              +1
              this is not an excuse for the bombing, and it doesn’t smell of anything, except that it’s sadness about what happened to our su-24.
              I wanted to show with a historical example how the Great Powers (and, I believe, you will not say the opposite about the States) act with those who dared to harm them in such a daring form, openly and beforehand planned. And now they are also brazenly lying in the face, cattle.
              Quote: Firstvanguard
              why not the bombing of Berlin by Soviet aircraft in August 1941 ??

              to be honest, the example with amers is more indicative. The meaning of the raid was to make it clear that the answer is IMMEDIATE, even if the damage is minimal. That's why I say that at all costs it was necessary to SHOW the Turks who they had swung at. even if it is a trifle, then clearly make it clear that we did it because you knocked down our aircraft !!!!
              And you do not need to look for hidden subtext where it does not exist.
              Berlin bombing - it was a war of extermination, with raids consisting of several squadrons with the maximum possible damage !!!
              1. Firstvanguard
                Firstvanguard 26 November 2015 21: 01 New
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                Quote: silver_roman
                Berlin bombing - it was a war of extermination, with raids consisting of several squadrons with the maximum possible damage !!!

                The bombing of Berlin pursued the same goals, do not confuse the attacks on the German capital in 1941. with blows at the end of the war. It was a one-time action, making it clear to the "Hans" that they had contacted the wrong ones. I agree that Doolittle's raid is from the same opera, but examples from his own history are preferable. IMHO.
          2. KVS
            KVS 25 November 2015 23: 37 New
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            as VVP put it: "if a fight is inevitable, hit first!"
          3. Kuzhugetovich
            Kuzhugetovich 26 November 2015 00: 54 New
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            Quote: silver_roman
            consequence of the insolence of the Japanese.

            Not boldness, but fortitude and faith. And the Americans are jackals who made a barbecue of civilians for the sake of their ego. There is no excuse and respect for them all the more.
            And yes, I agree)
            1. silver_roman
              silver_roman 26 November 2015 11: 16 New
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              despite the fact that I can not stand the Saxons, but the Yapes destroyed almost the entire fleet and about 2000 sailors without declaring war. Although there is no rule in love, as in war, both Yapi and Americans acted as they saw fit. We will not talk about the fact that the Americans themselves forced the Yapis to confront; this is not the point.

              and strength of mind, and faith have nothing to do with it. rather despair !!!
              And the Yapi is to blame. Here is an example. I will give in the face of a man, and then he will break my legs and arms 2! who will be to blame for this: didn’t I stupidly evaluate my strength, or did he give change? TA and winners are not judged.
              But now NOBODY dares to bring down the Amer LA. I mean officially how Turkey did it !!! and they also pulled tanks to the border with Syria, and 18 F-16s took to the air to patrol. and in the blogosphere now everyone is fascinated by their president and the strength of their country. It turns out that Erdogan thus earns a rating for himself, knocking down our planes !!! in general, if you don’t understand all this, I don’t see the point of the dialogue !!!
              1. Kuzhugetovich
                Kuzhugetovich 26 November 2015 13: 54 New
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                Do you know that yapi surrendered only when the USSR entered the war with Japan? The Japanese did not stop the nuclear bombing, as the Americans imagine. If you do not know this, then I also do not see the point of the dialogue.
        2. Svetoch
          Svetoch 25 November 2015 19: 45 New
          +8
          I already suggested one option.
          Seven troubles one answer
          1. sergo42
            sergo42 25 November 2015 21: 47 New
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            A good option!
      2. anip
        anip 25 November 2015 19: 36 New
        +2
        Quote: Finches
        When in the 41st year, the shah of Iran with excessive tenderness and warmth glanced towards the Millennium Reich, the 3 armies of the USSR instantly entered the territory of this state quickly changed the whole alignment and the shah fell in love with the countries of the anti-Hitler coalition with all Persian passion.

        Then more than one USSR entered the army in Iran. Yes, and the Russian Federation-this is far from the USSR, it’s to the USSR, as to the moon on foot.
        1. Finches
          Finches 25 November 2015 20: 15 New
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          So I’m not quite talking about this, but I mean the severity of the reaction! Just open your mouth or do business! Modern Russia is capable of an adequate answer!
    2. Igor39
      Igor39 25 November 2015 06: 29 New
      73
      The first is to stop the flow of tourists, the second to bombard the border areas and the one where the pilots were killed so that there was a surface on the moon, the third is real to support the Kurds, and it is imperative to bring down a couple of Turkish planes, blood for blood.
      1. Ivan Slavyanin
        Ivan Slavyanin 25 November 2015 06: 41 New
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        We, ordinary citizens of Russia, can really impose our own sanctions on the Turks - not to go there anymore and that's it! But this will be very effective, tk. almost half of all tourists in Turkey are Russians. So let us prove to them that we are "Russo tourist - the face of morality" and our Motherland is more important for us than to warm our asses at their resorts!
        1. Wild_grey_wolf
          Wild_grey_wolf 25 November 2015 06: 53 New
          +8
          And the statements that the Turks make, as if we live not in the era of digital technology, but in the Stone Age. Still fixed, recorded. . .
        2. atalef
          atalef 25 November 2015 07: 44 New
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          Quote: Ivan Slav
          We, ordinary citizens of Russia, can really impose our own sanctions on the Turks - not to go there anymore and that's it! But this will be very effective, tk. almost half of all tourists in Turkey are Russians. So let us prove to them that we are "Russo tourist - the face of morality" and our Motherland is more important for us than to warm our asses at their resorts!

          Actually, civil protest is the most effective.
          Do not forget that in Turkey, Russia still has a lot of projects worth tens of billions of dollars and that would not lose money. the oligarchs are quietly blotting it out. as if there was nothing.
          But if the citizens of Russia vote with their feet and stop traveling to Turkey. showing the authorities their attitude towards this country, they cannot ignore this fact.
          And then neither the nuclear power plant, nor Potok, nor much more --- the Turks will not receive
          1. Cap.Morgan
            Cap.Morgan 25 November 2015 08: 52 New
            +6
            In addition to money, there are also state interests.
            1. anip
              anip 25 November 2015 19: 39 New
              +2
              Quote: Cap.Morgan
              In addition to money, there are also state interests.

              Come on. And when in the past 25 years has state interests been higher than monetary?
          2. 3officer
            3officer 25 November 2015 09: 21 New
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            Reduce prices for Eilat - We will "revive" the Dead Sea.
            1. aksakal
              aksakal 25 November 2015 20: 08 New
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              Quote: 3officer
              Reduce prices for Eilat - We will "revive" the Dead Sea
              - Jews will not reduce, not in their manner such a business. The Dead Sea will always be a premium vacation, alas ... It is more promising to clean up Latakia and interest Russian investors and others from other countries to invest in this region. This is a wonderful land, a little south (and therefore warmer) of Antalya. In Sochi, it was clear that if the Russian oligarchs wanted to invest, they would invest as many grandmas as needed. The main thing is that this would create a targeted joint program with Rostourism and the Syrian profile organization for the development of the resort area in Latakia. In Syria, Russian investors have a green light and almost freedom from taxes, well, take a moment, you will be given a little the best coast in the whole world, all you need to do is clear a bit of any abomination
            2. Bvg132
              Bvg132 26 November 2015 06: 32 New
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              On what map did you see Eilat on the Dead Sea. Eilat - Red Sea
          3. shuka
            shuka 25 November 2015 09: 59 New
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            Everyone will be released on the brakes. With seriousness of intentions (emphasis in the syllable), the first thing to do was to evacuate potential hostages, our tourists, about 10000 thousand, which will not happen, as the bureaucrat from Rostourism said, "there is no reason", the second: send the Turkish ambassador and recall ours, yesterday it was necessary to do, the third was announced, precisely through the media, about bringing the systems of Russia's nuclear triad into a state of activation (combat retargeting). Therefore, as in the case of Boeing, they will play for time, then they will mumble something, and we will be allowed to wipe ourselves off and hide under the covers. These are obvious conclusions and elementary logic from our "yesterday's response to the aggressor" PS A pessimist is just a well-informed optimist.
            1. larand
              larand 25 November 2015 10: 55 New
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              Quote: shuka
              Everyone will be released on the brakes. With seriousness of intentions (emphasis in the syllable), the first thing to do was to evacuate potential hostages, our tourists, about 10000 thousand, which will not happen, as the bureaucrat from Rostourism said, "there is no reason", the second: send the Turkish ambassador and recall ours, yesterday had to be done ...


              And all Turkish citizens from the Russian Federation should be sent to a hair dryer, but not immediately. I think that Erdogan and his prime minister can take our tourists hostage, and then we will change ours to theirs.
            2. anip
              anip 25 November 2015 19: 40 New
              +1
              Quote: shuka
              PS A pessimist is just a well-informed optimist.

              And even more sober-minded, not hoo-Utriot.
          4. Travian
            Travian 25 November 2015 12: 34 New
            +3
            to hell with the money! the most expensive is blood
        3. Alexey Lesogor
          Alexey Lesogor 25 November 2015 08: 55 New
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          We, ordinary citizens of Russia, can really impose our own sanctions on the Turks - not to go there anymore and that's it! But this will be very effective, tk. almost half of all tourists in Turkey are Russians. So let us prove to them that we are "Russo tourist - the face of morality" and our Motherland is more important for us than to warm our asses at their resorts!


          And do not buy products.
          1. mitrich
            mitrich 25 November 2015 23: 02 New
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            Do not take anything Turkish! I'm only afraid that our traders will smack and start writing another country, or, as in "Lenta", often, in general, the country of the supplier, they don't write on fruits and vegetables.
        4. serega1512
          serega1512 25 November 2015 09: 10 New
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          a holy place does not happen empty, we won’t go — others will go there (the Germans, for example, having learned that there are no Russian tourists, will definitely go in large numbers!) but to fly to Turkey after such a spit in the face of the country means to show the most terrible thing you can think of - disrespect for ourselves!
          1. Travian
            Travian 25 November 2015 12: 36 New
            +4
            when the Kurds begin to nibble pieces from the Turks, then Western tourists will decrease
          2. Simple
            Simple 25 November 2015 17: 17 New
            +1
            Quote: serega1512
            (The Germans, for example, having learned that there are no Russian tourists, will definitely go in large numbers!



            I doubt it.
            Most of the tourists from Russia were content with such a service that the burgher would not like.

            Turkish hotels will have to tighten up. Many will not pull it, or even shut down the business.

            Questions to Erdogan will appear.

            But besides the tourist business, you can find some other "soft spots".

            Do not push on the Turkish people.
        5. Stirbjorn
          Stirbjorn 25 November 2015 09: 11 New
          +2
          Quote: Ivan Slavyanin
          But it will be very effective, because almost half of all tourists in Turkey are Russians.
          Half?! Oh well wassat
          "Russia is the second most important source of tourist flow to Turkey (about 12% of tourists) after Germany (about 15%). In 2014, Turkey was visited by almost 4,5 million Russians, in 2015 their number decreased due to the crisis by about 20 %. "
          1. Yeraz
            Yeraz 25 November 2015 13: 50 New
            +2
            Quote: Stirbjorn
            Half?! Oh well

            Yes, here many are sure that the Turkish economy is half filled with Russian tourists)))
      2. Dema46
        Dema46 25 November 2015 07: 26 New
        +2
        no one will do anything. business is stronger than incidents. At stake is the construction of tens of billions of dollars of nuclear power plants in Turkey. Plus, the widespread construction of various objects by the Turks in Russia. who will refuse rollbacks? plus an important circumstance in the form of up to forty percent of gas exports from Russia to Turkey. plus the Turks did not give an official refusal to build the South Stream, despite the fact that we were sent far away by the Bulgarians !. most importantly, it was Turkey that sent its NATO allies in the matter of sanctions against Russia. which sensible of our rulers will refuse it? well, we’ll punish them, say, help the Kurds and close the passage through the Bosphorus to us, how can the ships return? the Turks knew what they were on.
        1. alekc75
          alekc75 25 November 2015 07: 37 New
          -11
          go sleep
        2. nekot
          nekot 25 November 2015 09: 22 New
          +2
          ))) Are you serious about the overlap of the Bosphorus and the impossibility of returning our ships in this case? Turkey will declare war on us for our help to the Kurds?)
          1. Travian
            Travian 25 November 2015 12: 40 New
            0
            and the deliberate downing of a military aircraft is a declaration of war. If we need to, we will fight, but only fight the whole country. They push us intentionally and look at our reaction: we will cry, calm down, get angry, retreat, hit .... they all wait for what we will do.
            1. Dilshat
              Dilshat 25 November 2015 18: 26 New
              +1
              The answer will be unequivocal. They will wait another week for an official apology; if not, they will take measures, it will also mean that this is Erdogan’s personal order and not a fraud of the opposition or instigation of the United States. It’s necessary to have a quarrel with all neighbors. without trying to capture them in order to then have a move for maneuver. Turkish Turkoman turned out to be as stupid as their leader Erdogan.
              Bottom line: Erdogan showed that: 1. Turkey supports terrorists and therefore Turkey is a terrorist state. 2. He showed that the interests of his family are higher than the interests of his country to Turks and the whole world. 3. Our travel agencies are already closing directions to Turkey. There will be other economic measures. .4. No-fly zone for the Turkish air force (now the Turks will not be able to cover the Ishilov’s withdrawal in Iraq and Syria. Also, if the Turkish air force flies into Greece, Cyprus, Armenia can get an answer from the neighbors air defense.
        3. BIGLESHIY
          BIGLESHIY 25 November 2015 15: 20 New
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          Quote: Dema46
          well, we’ll punish them, say, help the Kurds and close the passage through the Bosphorus to us, how can the ships return? the Turks knew what they were on.

          After the downing of our fighter, we have every right, both moral and legal, to expand the Bosphorus Strait so that after us there will be no one to ask permission to pass our ships.
        4. nerd.su
          nerd.su 25 November 2015 23: 48 New
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          Quote: Dema46
          and close our passage through the Bosphorus, how can ships return? the Turks knew what they were on.

          Will they close the Bosphorus? So then we will fulfill Peter's dream and we will take the straits.
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      4. serega1512
        serega1512 25 November 2015 09: 06 New
        +1
        no matter how terribly it may seem, but you need to shoot down someone, otherwise the people will not understand! And it is also desirable that an air-to-air missile
        1. TanyaKar
          TanyaKar 25 November 2015 13: 28 New
          +2
          You know Seryoga, I have no doubt that our president, government and Ming. the defense will find and well think out an adequate answer to Erdogan!
          Remember pilot Rumyantsev, who received a martyrdom from jihadists. His blessed memory and the kingdom of heaven.
          Of course, all of us have a soul in righteous anger.
          A remarkably cynical statement struck. US State Department. The rarest bastard!
      5. Rus2012
        Rus2012 25 November 2015 09: 13 New
        0
        Quote: Igor39
        The first is to stop the flow of tourists, the second to bombard the border areas and the one where the pilots were killed so that there was a surface on the moon, the third is real to support the Kurds, and it is imperative to bring down a couple of Turkish planes, blood for blood.


        First, recall the ambassador from Turkey!
        The second is to declare a "full combat Strategic Missile Forces" before explaining the Turks

        Third - to urgently prepare a mixed grouping "to capture and hold the straits" (the task has been sitting for over a couple of centuries!)

        Well, the announcement of the folding and export of tourist flows and the freezing of economic projects in the first place.

        It is always necessary to keep in mind - we are in a war, but in a war, as in a war, the one who shoots first - that survived!

        They write -
        Erdogan is now really in a panic - he "planted" his aircraft, which is why he turned to NATO, where he was frankly sent to deal with Moscow directly, they understand - another careless move or word - "Iskanders" and "Calibers" will speak and not at all in the usual equipment ... 3,14, XNUMXNodes, too, "stand backwards, smoke a pipe" ... as if they are not.

        Recep, they say, doesn’t exclude even a missile attack on Ankara, right around his palace, from this convulsive movement in other directions (it’s clear that tourism is now Kapets, and economic cooperation is kapets too, and there’s such money compared to which vanity with stolen oil - so, a small pocket gesheft).


        And even the knowledgeable write -
        In Syria, C-400 joined, which is not officially there. According to an informed source, the complex "leads" all Turkish military fighters near the border with Syria.
        There was no order to shoot down so far, but it could arrive any second as soon as Russia considers that Turkish fighters crossed the Syrian border at 5-10 seconds, the source said ...

        A strange coincidence of two events - the Russian marines taking a certain height in Syria, which immediately pulled the air defense radar, and the subsequent downing of the Russian Su-24 Turkish F-16. You do not see the connection? And yet she is. Why did Russia need this height so much right now that, as they say, a battalion of marines with T-90 tanks was said to have been thrown at its assault — they did not wait until the Syrians took this mountain (and the Syrians tried to take it, they even put a battery of Mst howitzers to help them -B)? Obviously, we know something, and the S-400 air defense system at this height was able to significantly change the balance of power in favor of Russia. But the IG does not have aviation, which means that the intervention of forces with aviation is expected. They were ahead of them, the radar started working, clearly showing “we see you, don’t hope to slip through” - this was the irritation that erupted in firing at the Russian bomb, returning to the base. Or is it not annoyance, but an attempt to squeeze the situation in such a way, push the Turkish military against the wall - "yes, now the strike has become suicide, but you have nowhere to go - only the war will write everything off."


        Therefore, now, first of all, you need to capture the straits, realize the old Russian dream!
      6. Svetoch
        Svetoch 25 November 2015 19: 47 New
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        And to stir up a huge movement of troops in the country. Remove from places of permanent deployment. Everything is as it should be for starting a war. But so for the mind and that everyone would know. Large-scale exercises with a zakos on the conditions of Turkey. Let Erdogans all sorts of in the corner d .. come.
        1. pilot67
          pilot67 26 November 2015 18: 47 New
          0
          And still there would be a call of the partisans of the month for three-tankers, artillery, infantry, moremanov.Zateatu dvizhuhu, and then, when the Turks will reach the w .. p, everything is back in place.
    3. Mik13
      Mik13 25 November 2015 07: 10 New
      -62
      Quote: oldav
      From time immemorial the Turks have been the most vile nation. In the 19 century, the Turks made up only 30% of the population, the remaining Greeks, Armenians and Kurds (approximately equally). For 50 years, they destroyed everyone except the Kurds.


      HMM, as I understand it, some visitors are longing for art. 282 of the Criminal Code turns off the brain?
      Your grandfather, who fought for you, (if, of course, he did not serve Vlasov) would drown such offspring in a bucket of feces for such statements ...

      PS By the way, and who are these moral abortions that plus fascism oldav his work? Enough willpower confess?
      1. Penzyak's Neighbor
        Penzyak's Neighbor 25 November 2015 08: 06 New
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        Although I did not add, but after the "moral abortion" I got a plus.
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      3. Max_Bauder
        Max_Bauder 25 November 2015 09: 43 New
        +6
        Quote: Mik13
        Your grandfather, who fought for you, (if, of course, he did not serve Vlasov) would drown such offspring in a bucket of feces for such statements ...


        Do not distort, because the Turks drank not a little Russian blood in numerous Russian-Turkish wars - this is a fact, starting from the Battle of Molody and Plevna, ending with the First World War. And what should the Russians now love the Turks? And as for the article, this applies only to all citizens of the Russian Federation and the USSR whose ancestors deserve respect already by defending this vast Motherland along with the Russians. And to outright enemies an enemy attitude, and no tolerance.
      4. Heimdall48
        Heimdall48 25 November 2015 09: 56 New
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        Your grandfather, who fought for you (if he, of course, did not serve Vlasov)

        And what are our grandfathers for blacks, Turks and Jews fought? I always believed that first of all for my families and huts, and everything else is just concomitant.
      5. sunzhenets
        sunzhenets 25 November 2015 10: 01 New
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        Tolerant little what ..
      6. Uncle Misha
        Uncle Misha 25 November 2015 10: 58 New
        +2
        and where is falling under 282? if highlighted, then it does not pull. No.
      7. drago36
        drago36 25 November 2015 11: 02 New
        +2
        Shake you hump from here, our tolerant friend, while the wind is without stones.
      8. Travian
        Travian 25 November 2015 12: 43 New
        +1
        well yes. only who punished the Turks for the Armenian Genocide. and this is a terrible article 282 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation.
      9. Dazdranagon
        Dazdranagon 25 November 2015 14: 02 New
        +5
        Quote: Mik13
        Hmm, as I understand it
        - it is strange that you do not agree with the statement of your opponent. Are you aware that the Byzantines did not grieve on the territory of present-day Turkey until the Ottomans came and massacred everyone there? And then the Armenian genocide, the Balkans ... Why are you defending the Turks? All inclusive?
      10. anip
        anip 25 November 2015 19: 44 New
        0
        Quote: Mik13
        HMM, as I understand it, some visitors are longing for art. 282 of the Criminal Code turns off the brain?

        And where does it become 282 in relation to a foreign country, moreover, an enemy?
    4. Sweles
      Sweles 25 November 2015 08: 21 New
      -2
      Russia was slapped, it’s impossible to forgive, the answer must be adequate, it’s necessary to strike at this Turkish airbase with CALIBERS, I think that NATO will not harness the Turks, but if it does, then there’s an alternative to all this, restoring the USSR, sending troops to Ukraine, then to the Baltic states is our land.
      1. KBR109
        KBR109 25 November 2015 09: 19 New
        +6
        Svelesu: You are idle talk, dear. fool In the head you need to not only eat and wear a hat on it, but sometimes think about it ...
        1. Sweles
          Sweles 25 November 2015 09: 30 New
          -8
          Quote: KBR109
          Svelesu: You are idle talk, dear. fool In the head you need to not only eat and wear a hat on it, but sometimes think about it ...


          in our courtyard they said so-crap? -wrap around.
      2. alexej123
        alexej123 25 November 2015 10: 05 New
        +9
        I don't know if I agree with you or not. Based on the experience of my past service, I am not an army officer, but from law enforcement agencies, I was engaged in operational work. By the nature of his activity, he constantly "communicated" with criminal authorities. This category understands normal language, but only after they feel your strength. Not the power of the limitless, but the clever power. So, Erdogans, Obamas and co. are essentially the same criminal authorities, only on a global or regional scale. It is necessary to answer, without fail, only to respond with clever force. But I don’t know what to attribute to this definition. But I would like to believe that the country's leadership knows the definition of "Smart Power".
        1. Travian
          Travian 25 November 2015 12: 46 New
          +3
          Smart power is the power used by third parties. In this case, the Kurds.
          1. alexej123
            alexej123 25 November 2015 13: 03 New
            +1
            Maybe as one of the elements of this power?
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    5. Libra
      Libra 25 November 2015 08: 32 New
      +1
      Why are you surprised, all of such Europe and the United States, not only Turks, and do not have illusions that we will be supported and protected by our affairs in Syria. the United States, by the way, accused us of violating the Turkish border, and the Turks, in their opinion, did everything right, like that.
    6. Volzhanin
      Volzhanin 25 November 2015 11: 52 New
      +1
      Well, it's you too. More vile nation than English women and Jews is impossible to be in principle! smile
      Turks in comparison with these geeks are angels!
    7. Vasyav
      Vasyav 25 November 2015 13: 08 New
      +1
      Yes, these scum are also responsible for the genocide
    8. Valiich
      Valiich 25 November 2015 19: 45 New
      0
      I will say one thing, while still a serviceman of the USSR Armed Forces, we knew Turkey as a NATO member and its serious representative. On the border between Europe and Asia, Turkey has the same policy, here and there. But in relation to the USSR, she took the position of the enemy, no doubt. Historically, Turkey, finding itself in the way of Russia, is the Crimea, the Balkans, and as it should always received on its arrogant and ruthless face, who always leads almost a double and, as a rule, without fair play. Those. in fact, she has not changed anything since then, and it is unlikely that it will make her change this line. Moreover, the USA, especially where there is a monetary interest. But as they say, "every cloud has a silver lining" now the S-400 is deployed and will demonstrate in battle order what kind of miracle it is. Now any, so to speak, moderate opposition will be completely destroyed. I watched a video where they opened fire on the pilots, and one of the militants shouted "atpa" - don't shoot, I got scared at the last moment, maybe it saved the navigator's life, but it won't save them, nevertheless, I think in the near future they will concrete and roll everything that is there. Much will be revised in terms of security. The army and navy are now saving Russia and the whole world. And Erdogan does not want to do it. That is, historical truth and justice will cover his policy again!
    9. Dmitry_24rus
      Dmitry_24rus 25 November 2015 21: 53 New
      +1
      We always rest in Turkey in a decent 5 * hotel. Soso Pavliashvili and his family constantly live there.
      In the year 14, they noticed a negative on the part of the staff.
      Today we gathered a family council:
      DO NOT GO TO TURKEY !!!
  2. Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 25 November 2015 06: 21 New
    47
    I would not call Turkey an accomplice of igil but our tourists fool Threats around the world and give them one horseradish warm sea and a free booze am after that, they also persecute Putin that he calls all partners request
    1. Docent1984
      Docent1984 25 November 2015 10: 39 New
      +2
      That's it. Half of the population is not at all interested in anything further than their nose, or rather ** ** py, which all the time you need to warm somewhere ...
  3. jovanni
    jovanni 25 November 2015 06: 22 New
    +9
    To create boarding schools for Kurdish youth, and to teach them military affairs in this way. Do not forget about the elders ...
  4. MDesant
    MDesant 25 November 2015 06: 27 New
    +8
    In 70-80s in the Kuril Islands, Japanese poachers rushed at our border guards. And ours had only to smile back, tk. a ship with western reporters was walking alongside, and if they answered, a photo with "beating defenseless sailors who accidentally swam into the territorial waters of the USSR" would appear in their press ...
    American mongrel are not able to come up with something new.
    By the way, on the tape they write that the co-pilot was saved !!!
  5. oldav
    oldav 25 November 2015 06: 32 New
    +6
    In 90-00, thousands of our girls perished or lost their health in Turkish captivity, they traveled in search of work, and eventually died there. Now only girls from the outskirts and Moldova disappear there, but all the same, Turkey is their best friend for them.
    1. Nikolay K
      Nikolay K 25 November 2015 09: 19 New
      +3
      And then these girls did not know what kind of work they were going to. Sami b. to blame
      1. oldav
        oldav 25 November 2015 09: 51 New
        +5
        No, they didn’t. Then there were gangs to deceive these girls. They were lured by good work. Then our people were naive and carried on everything. Those who b..di, they go there purposefully and now they work there without coercion, only for good money. About the attitude to them is a separate topic.
        1. Nikolay K
          Nikolay K 25 November 2015 13: 22 New
          +1
          Listen, you don’t have to have any brains to believe in those tales, all the more so because you invited you to work, at best, with dancers and officers. The girls were chasing a beautiful life abroad, suggesting how they would have to pay for this beauty. So do not tell us now the same tales.
          1. oldav
            oldav 25 November 2015 13: 27 New
            0
            And you or your loved ones were not mistaken in life?
  6. parusnik
    parusnik 25 November 2015 06: 33 New
    +6
    P.S. A number of Russian tour operators in Russia have announced the termination of sales of tours to Turkey... I dare to suggest that soon the reconstruction of Sukhumi airport, the establishment of railway, water links with Abkhazia, and other ...
    1. Kaccad
      Kaccad 25 November 2015 08: 17 New
      +5
      It is high time. Last year was. Clear sea, few people. Ritsa, generally just a song.
      1. ultra
        ultra 25 November 2015 10: 34 New
        +2
        Quote: Kaccad
        Ritsa, generally just a song.

        Ritsa herself is a song, but the fact that around it is some misery!
    2. PQ-18
      PQ-18 25 November 2015 08: 23 New
      +5
      I dare to suggest that soon the reconstruction of Sukhumi airport, the establishment of railway, water links with Abkhazia, and other ...

      Once Russia has already allocated money to Abkhazia (after the war), which was brazenly RIPPED!
      Until Abkhazia becomes a part of Russia and normal Russian laws are not established there, and not wild Caucasian-clan laws, no one will "waste money" anymore!
      1. Stirbjorn
        Stirbjorn 25 November 2015 09: 14 New
        +3
        Quote: PQ-18
        Once Russia has already allocated money to Abkhazia (after the war), which was brazenly RIPPED!
        Until Abkhazia becomes a part of Russia and normal Russian laws are not established there, and not wild Caucasian-clan laws, no one will "waste money" anymore!

        Exactly, this Abkhazia was given - there is Crimea, Krasnodar Territory. Enough budget squandering to the left
      2. Belousov
        Belousov 25 November 2015 10: 49 New
        +2
        Well, yes, but in Chechnya, Dagestan, and many other republics, well, they comply with Russian laws, so they comply ...
  7. strelets
    strelets 25 November 2015 06: 38 New
    10
    And you can’t let it go, and the third world is inappropriate. It is necessary to support the enemies of Turkey. And so to maintain that the Turks a million times regretted that we were touched.
  8. Loner_53
    Loner_53 25 November 2015 06: 40 New
    +4
    Russia has many options how to ruin the life of this moron Erdogan, you need to use everything, then from the country Turkey memories will remain am
  9. 1536
    1536 25 November 2015 06: 41 New
    15
    We must free Ojolan and arm the Kurds, promising them full autonomy. To work out the renewal of contacts with the Irish Republican Army, just in time for Queen Elizabeth's 90th birthday, the red brigades in Italy, and assistance to the Basques in Spain. And, of course, Texas independence fighters should receive the broadest possible help and sympathy. These are real guys, not mythical communist parties and "fraternal" labor movements, where the CPSU sent money, then investing it in the capitalization of Western and American companies.
    1. atalef
      atalef 25 November 2015 07: 05 New
      11
      Quote: 1536
      It is necessary to free Odzholan and arm the Kurds, promising them full autonomy. To work out the resumption of contacts with the Irish Republican Army, just in time for the 90th anniversary of Queen Elizabeth, the red brigades in Italy, and help the Basques in Spain. And, of course, Texas independence fighters should get the widest possible help and sympathy. These are real guys

      And the plan is real good
      1. Mik13
        Mik13 25 November 2015 07: 18 New
        +5
        Quote: atalef
        And the plan is real


        Fence .... laughing
        1. atalef
          atalef 25 November 2015 07: 41 New
          +2
          Quote: Mik13
          Quote: atalef
          And the plan is real


          Fence .... laughing

          Yes sticks not childish.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 25 November 2015 07: 54 New
            +3
            Quote: atalef
            Quote: Mik13
            Quote: atalef
            And the plan is real


            Fence .... laughing

            Yes sticks not childish.

            There isn’t enough tricolor over the White House in Washington. Let it go finalizes the plan, well, or buy from another dealer.
            1. IS-80
              IS-80 25 November 2015 09: 09 New
              +3
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              There isn’t enough tricolor over the White House in Washington. Let it go finalizes the plan, well, or buy from another dealer.

              Turkey to NATO. NATO has the main US, which means they are to blame for the incident. So we need a response to the United States. I propose a nuclear strike on Washington and a landing in Israel.
              1. cumastra1
                cumastra1 25 November 2015 12: 51 New
                +1
                IS - 80 For good, all the points are set, it is clear who is friend and who is the enemy. Is Israel a plane shot down? No. Do not bring down your head. And then you are assimilated to yellow-black, only they are to blame, and you have Israel.
                1. IS-80
                  IS-80 25 November 2015 16: 41 New
                  0
                  Quote: cumastra1
                  IS - 80 For good, all the points are set, it is clear who is friend and who is the enemy. Is Israel a plane shot down? No. Do not bring down your head. And then you are assimilated to yellow-black, only they are to blame, and you have Israel.

                  And where did I say that Israel is to blame? These are your inventions.
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    3. ultra
      ultra 25 November 2015 10: 36 New
      +2
      Quote: 1536
      Ojolan must be freed

      Will we storm the prison? laughing
      1. alexej123
        alexej123 26 November 2015 08: 57 New
        0
        Yes, combat buryats.
  10. Hubun
    Hubun 25 November 2015 06: 47 New
    +3
    The Turks would refresh the memory of how many times the Russians were beaten
  11. vladim.gorbunow
    vladim.gorbunow 25 November 2015 06: 52 New
    +5
    No matter how bitterly aware. But will not answer.
    1. Robinzone
      Robinzone 25 November 2015 07: 15 New
      +2
      It is unlikely. It was done too arrogantly and cynically. Excuses like "we warned you 10 times" are so rotten that they did not even convince all NATO fellows. Plus our people died. Plus VVP specifically called the Turks "accomplices of terrorists."

      So the answer will be. Just revenge is a dish that needs to be served cold.
      1. anip
        anip 25 November 2015 07: 41 New
        +6
        Quote: RobinZone
        Just revenge is a dish that needs to be served cold.

        So you can wait until it cools down completely.
        1. Robinzone
          Robinzone 25 November 2015 08: 21 New
          +4
          "Haste is needed when catching fleas" or "We will calmly go down the hill and ..... eat the whole flock" - your choice.

          In a hurry, you can make a mistake when developing a plan. And it’s more effective to beat the poddyh of a relaxed enemy than ready to strike.
        2. Travian
          Travian 25 November 2015 12: 50 New
          0
          nothing ever be knocked over a turk cyprus with the help of our air defense systems
    2. PQ-18
      PQ-18 25 November 2015 08: 36 New
      +6
      No matter how bitterly aware. But will not answer.

      We will prepare and answer without haste ...
      Putin perfectly understands that WITHOUT ANSWER, this Erdogan meanness IS NOT ALLOWED!
    3. TanyaKar
      TanyaKar 25 November 2015 13: 46 New
      0
      I do not believe that we will not answer, Vladimir!
      We have enough talented specialists .... They will think of something, guys are not without imagination ...
  12. oldav
    oldav 25 November 2015 06: 57 New
    -5
    The Bolsheviks are traitors! Saved them in the 18th year. If it were not for them, Constantinople would be ours, millions of Greeks, Armenians, Yezidis would be alive. Armenia would be 2 times larger.
    1. Dema46
      Dema46 25 November 2015 07: 34 New
      11
      it would be nice to read the story. how would you capture Constantinople, England and France promised on a silver platter, as in 1854? Would Germany help? The British fleet could not get into the Turkish straits. do not blame the Bolsheviks for what they do not deserve.
      to have enemies around you and not look for opportunities to establish normal relations with Ataturk? strange thinking, probably according to Svanidze.
      1. oldav
        oldav 25 November 2015 07: 53 New
        -5
        The Bolsheviks signed the peace of Brest and deprived of all the privileges that we should have received. The Bolsheviks surrendered western Armenia to the Turks (Kars). In the 20s, the Turks began a new massacre of Greeks and Armenians with our silence and support.
        1. Starik72
          Starik72 25 November 2015 13: 48 New
          +2
          Oleg. Stop verbiage !!!
    2. anip
      anip 25 November 2015 07: 41 New
      +7
      Quote: oldav
      The Bolsheviks are traitors! Saved them in the 18th year. If not for them, Constantinople would be ours

      Learn history and do not write nonsense.
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    3. V.ic
      V.ic 25 November 2015 08: 08 New
      +6
      Quote: oldav
      The Bolsheviks are traitors!

      What all?! I doubt it ... Stalin, Voroshilov were not traitors!
      Quote: oldav
      Saved them in the 18th year.

      Who would save the Bolsheviks themselves in 1918? Only them.
      The Turks, by the way, in September 1918 took Baku.
      Quote: oldav
      If not for them, Constantinople would be ours,

      Do you seriously think that the British would allow us to do this then?
      You obviously didn’t open the history book. Before you throw numbers, you need to know them, before you write anything, you need to think.
      1. oldav
        oldav 25 November 2015 08: 48 New
        -2
        Even as if allowed. I don’t say anything about Stalin. Then everyone was driven by Bronstein and Blank (Ulyanov).
    4. Travian
      Travian 25 November 2015 12: 50 New
      +1
      I realized this in August 1991
  13. Robinzone
    Robinzone 25 November 2015 07: 09 New
    12
    Suspend until better times all significant economic projects, from the construction of nuclear power plants to the "Turkish Stream". We cannot risk the lives of our fellow citizens who will have to work in a country that is one of the centers of aiding and abetting terrorism. We don't need the second Mali.

    Stop all tourist trips of Russians to Turkey. In the name of security.


    Yes, by the way, and Turkish fruit and vegetable products fully comply with the phytosanitary standards of the Russian Federation?

    And they will try to "beep" - to rename Istanbul to Constantinople.
    1. cumastra1
      cumastra1 25 November 2015 12: 56 New
      +2
      Explicitly not consistent! and their knitwear is harmful to the skin. Do not believe me - ask Onishchenko.
  14. bionik
    bionik 25 November 2015 07: 11 New
    +6
    Do not buy their fruits and vegetables do not go to their resorts, and to hell with them and not gas.
    1. Tatar 174
      Tatar 174 25 November 2015 07: 52 New
      +5
      Quote: bionik
      and to hell with them and not gas

      Horseradish also has useful and healing roots. Medicinal plant. Sorry.
      As the stripes staged a maidan in Ukraine, so we need to help arrange something similar in Ankara. It’s already time, but we just need to get all our tourists and the employees and capital working there, otherwise the massacre will begin and the looting.
  15. CONTROL
    CONTROL 25 November 2015 07: 36 New
    11
    When was Turkey a friend of Russia? ...
    Where did Erdogan actually come from?
    The Justice and Development Party, which came to power with its leader Erdogan, is one of the brainchildren of the Muslim Brotherhood, from the depths of which Hezbollah, Al Qaeda, and Hizb ut Tahrir came out ... and all the same! A hotbed of international terrorism, not very skillfully manipulated, but generously funded by the United States. The question is - for what ... was it to invest resources, finance long-term projects, and at least develop the same tourism, having such a "friend" partner? ... How much money was thrown in there, could they patch up their regions, "killed" industries lift ... a lot of things could be used instead of the Turks!
    In addition, the East, as you know, is a delicate matter: you push slightly in the wrong place, and it bursts at all the seams ... As an old man who has seen life, I know that tribal relations dominate in the East, the Caucasus, Central Asia, not a penny setting state priorities! Turkmenistan, Tajikistan, to a lesser extent Uzbekistan; Ossetia, Abkhazia, Azerbaijan; again, to a lesser extent - Georgia and Armenia ... Turkey - in the same place! in this row! But all, one way or another - clans, tribes, teips, families, clans ... and ministries, departments, district committees and executive committees - in the third-fourth-fifth line ... Including the "fathers-commanders" in the army; something similar may have happened to the pilots of the F-16 - the second nephew of the third wife of the brother's uncle's younger brother ... Erdogan? or someone else ...
    ... NATO, presumably, is not harnessing the arbitrariness of Turkey ... if Russia's "retaliatory measures" are "asymmetric" ... some kind of "oblique", skewed to the point of impossibility ...
    1. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 25 November 2015 09: 19 New
      +5
      Quote: CONTROL
      one of the brainchilds of the Muslim Brotherhood, from the depths of which came Hezbollah, Al Qaeda, and Hizb ut Tahrir ... and all the same!

      Hezbollah then what? they are generally Shiites wassat
      1. V.ic
        V.ic 25 November 2015 19: 01 New
        0
        Quote: Stirbjorn
        Quote: CONTROL
        one of the brainchilds of the Muslim Brotherhood, from the depths of which came Hezbollah, Al Qaeda, and Hizb ut Tahrir ... and all the same!


        Hezbollah then what? they are generally Shiites

        This is how the agents "fail" on the little things. Although what a trifle ... Sunnis and Shiites love each other no more than Orthodox Catholics. The four-star camarad should have known about this.
  16. demotivator
    demotivator 25 November 2015 07: 38 New
    +3
    Interestingly, no explanations at all have followed from Turkey itself, except for the statement by their defense minister that "we have shot down and we will shoot down."
    So, what is the answer. I hope that the president and our Foreign Ministry know what we need to answer without us. But, it is now clear that Lavrov’s visit to Turkey against such a background is generally impossible. What has already been announced. And the minimum measure that the Russian Foreign Ministry is simply obliged to take today is the recall of the ambassador. Now. Immediately.
    As a maximum, a break in diplomatic relations, which will entail the collapse of the Turkish tourism industry and, in general, a serious crisis in the economy of this country, for which the Russian Federation is today the main foreign economic partner. Typically, such things in the history of the Republic of Turkey ended not just with the resignation of the government, but with the transfer of civil power to the military, the arrest of the prime minister and members of his corrupt cabinet (sometimes followed by execution).
    1. kashtak
      kashtak 25 November 2015 08: 25 New
      +1
      Quote: demotivator
      As a maximum, a break in diplomatic relations, which will entail the collapse of the Turkish tourism industry and, in general, a serious crisis in the economy of this country, for which the Russian Federation is today the main foreign economic partner. Typically, such things in the history of the Republic of Turkey ended not just with the resignation of the government, but with the transfer of civil power to the military, the arrest of the prime minister and members of his corrupt cabinet (sometimes followed by execution).

      that's it. Turkey risks so much that questions arise. 1) who benefits from a break in relations between Russia and Turkey. 2) who opposed the Turkish gas hub. 3) who benefits from ending ISIS self-financing. it's hard to say that Turkey wins at least something. such provocations cannot be left unanswered, but it is also necessary to understand who and how to respond. as it is rightly and repeatedly noticed revenge is good when it is cold. boiling emotions here only interfere.
      1. V.ic
        V.ic 25 November 2015 19: 05 New
        0
        Quote: kashtak
        questions arise. 1) who benefits from a break in relations between Russia and Turkey. 2) who opposed the Turkish gas hub. 3) who benefits from ending ISIS self-financing. it's hard to say that Turkey wins

        If the son of a jackal and a bitch could not ask himself and answer such questions, this once again allows us to conclude about the mental abilities of this "sultan".
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  17. anip
    anip 25 November 2015 07: 40 New
    +4
    Erdogan revealed his true face to the Russians.

    And did someone doubt his true face?
    Ah-ah-ah, I remember, I remember, when the "Turkish Stream" was pushed to carry out, so all the jingoists (and such 89%), as one, signed the Turks as friends and choked with delight about Putin's brilliant foreign policy. And all the uncomfortable questions of sane people were either hushed up, or they answered something like: Turkey is not Ukraine, this is wow, the Turks are not fools, the Turks know how to profit from themselves, this is how we will stretch the Turkish Stream .. ...
    Where is the KhPP and the brilliant foreign policy of the guarantor? Some failures around.
    1. Docent1984
      Docent1984 25 November 2015 10: 57 New
      +1
      If you accidentally missed some news, then look through the tape a month ago. There are unobtrusive reports that agreements have been reached on the construction of a second branch of the northern stream to Germany without any "transit countries" there. In light of this, the Turkish stream loses any significance. It is clear now that you need to forget about him.
      1. anip
        anip 25 November 2015 19: 48 New
        0
        Actually, I'm not talking about "Turkish Stream", if, in the big sense, I wrote, but about hurray-putriots who, like weathercocks, following the "cunning plan" of the guarantor, change their opinion to the opposite within a short time.
  18. Nikolay71
    Nikolay71 25 November 2015 07: 40 New
    +1
    Quote: RobinZone
    It is unlikely. It was done too arrogantly and cynically. Excuses like "we warned you 10 times" are so rotten that they did not even convince all NATO fellows. Plus our people died. Plus VVP specifically called the Turks "accomplices of terrorists."

    So the answer will be. Just revenge is a dish that needs to be served cold.

    I agree!
  19. Sasha75
    Sasha75 25 November 2015 07: 51 New
    +5
    I will say one thing, the more we give, the more we don’t like that Ukrainians, that the Turks need Putin, as Americans promised, and take a corrupt girl into all the cracks, and maybe then there’s no money. So it will not be a shame.
  20. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 25 November 2015 07: 51 New
    +3
    Before any answers from our side, Turkey must first secure ordinary citizens of Russia.
  21. Sars
    Sars 25 November 2015 07: 57 New
    +6
    If the Turks don’t have a tough answer now, they will begin to bite us on all fronts!
    We need a demonstrative inadequate flogging of Erdogan.
    1. Kalmar
      Kalmar 25 November 2015 09: 03 New
      -1
      Quote: SarS
      We need a demonstrative inadequate flogging of Erdogan.

      On the one hand, yes. On the other hand, we are supplying the Syrian army and our own group in Syria through the Black Sea straits, which Turkey can block at any moment. And then our entire Syrian campaign will be in jeopardy. An extremely difficult situation is taking shape.
  22. Starshina wmf
    Starshina wmf 25 November 2015 08: 00 New
    +5
    I always didn’t understand why we were not helping the Kurds. They are a real force in Syria and Turkey.
    1. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 25 November 2015 09: 20 New
      +2
      because they are bombed by Turkish "partners"
  23. ibragim
    ibragim 25 November 2015 08: 17 New
    +3
    Quote: Jovanni
    To create boarding schools for Kurdish youth, and to teach them military affairs in this way. Do not forget about the elders ...

    I agree that you urgently need to start helping the Kurds, and then the Turks will understand that piz..dets creeps up.
    Yes, and does not interfere with the recognition of Kurdistan, this will be for them jo..pa.
  24. Metallurgist
    Metallurgist 25 November 2015 08: 23 New
    +2
    Authors, so WHAT answer?
    Or threw a shovel on a fan and catch lulz from comments?
    Either change the title of the article, or really write WHAT, in your opinion, the Russian Federation can answer.
    Those five positions in the body of the article are really about nothing. Combat escort of bombers is, by the way, a separate topic, why our fighters did not accompany our bomber.
    Armament of the Kurds? Did anyone recognize them in the world? This is not Kosovo Albanians.
    So you really did not write anything.
    You may be wrong, but you will make an assumption based on one or another analysis. Whether it turns out to be true or not, time will tell.
    But just asking a rhetorical question and going into the shadows is not beautiful. Less to you.
    1. Libra
      Libra 25 November 2015 08: 45 New
      +1
      Unaccompanied, because the mission was reconnaissance, the Turks expected to blame everything on terrorists, and the Su24 was stuffed with reconnaissance equipment, so ours quickly figured out who attacked whom.
    2. kashtak
      kashtak 25 November 2015 08: 47 New
      +2
      Quote: Metallurg
      so WHAT answer?

      passed infa about measures for the tourist industry similar to Egypt. you can "freeze" a number of joint projects, but this is a double-edged sword. to strengthen the grouping in Syria for strikes on oil traffic and cover for attack aircraft. the main thing is not to flog a fever. otherwise, instead of revenge, you can play on the enemy.
      1. Metallurgist
        Metallurgist 25 November 2015 09: 03 New
        +4
        And no one calls for flogging.
        If you believe such facts as:
        1. All oil traffic went through firms controlled by Erdogan - the downed plane explains everything. The pilot received orders to protect fuel trucks. So he worked. The fact that now this traffic will not be, in my opinion, is clear even to the baby.
        2. Even the United States admitted that the plane was shot down over Syria. This is Erdogan’s most beautiful setup in front of the Russian Federation. Typically arrogant.
        3. MO statement that any ship that threatens our aircraft, ships, and so on will be destroyed.

        These are strong enough answers. You just need to "promote" them properly (the word is ugly, but reflects the essence of what is happening). Further, through the UN, to condemn Turkey as an accomplice of ISIS - that's all. Erdogan may be looking for a place to retire. If you don't choke on polonium later.
        1. kashtak
          kashtak 25 November 2015 09: 31 New
          +1
          Quote: Metallurg
          And no one calls for flogging.

          unfortunately call. Today, reading some comments, I thought "whose will you be?" and the mergers have become more active.
        2. Kalmar
          Kalmar 25 November 2015 11: 16 New
          +1
          Quote: Metallurg
          These are strong enough answers.

          Not enough.

          Quote: Metallurg
          1. All oil traffic went through firms controlled by Erdogan - the downed plane explains everything. The pilot received orders to protect fuel trucks. So he worked. The fact that now this traffic will not be, in my opinion, is clear even to the baby.

          There will be no traffic if only the Russian aviation in Syria switches to the shooting of fuel trucks going to Turkey. At the same time, Turkish air defense did not go away, and the Turks showed their readiness to take extreme measures.

          Quote: Metallurg
          2. Even the United States recognized that the plane was shot down over Syria.

          It does not give anything. Further, the United States can continue boltology in the sense that Russia just needs to work more closely with NATO on the Syrian issue, and there are some unfortunate incidents arising from the inconsistency of actions between our and NATO aviation.

          Quote: Metallurg
          3. MO statement that any ship that threatens our aircraft, ships, and so on will be destroyed.

          Such statements have been made before. As a result, the plane was shot down with impunity. Unless now bombers will not fly without cover (why did they fly before that?).

          Quote: Metallurg
          Further, on the UN line, to condemn Turkey as an accomplice of ISIS - and that’s all.

          As practice shows, condemnation by the UN is a kind of last Chinese warning. The practical value is about zero.

          Quote: Metallurg
          Erdogan may seek a place for retirement.

          Even so, what is it to us? It was not Erdogan who personally opposed us, but the state as a whole. They will replace one talking head with another, but Turkey will not become friendlier from this.
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      2. provincial
        provincial 25 November 2015 09: 08 New
        0
        over time, Russians will rest at home. Well, the most risky and a flag in their hands.
        1. MSL
          MSL 25 November 2015 19: 11 New
          0
          And it is right! For us to walk around the "house" - life is not enough.
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    4. WWSW
      WWSW 25 November 2015 17: 46 New
      0
      I agree. Here is a specific suggestion.
      Turkey is a member of NATO. A NATO plane shot down a RUSSIAN plane. They have some kind of article 5 there. Let all NATO now be responsible for this military provocation. All NATO aircraft need to make a complete, up to destruction, ban on crossing the Syrian border. Thus, we will move the Americans too *****. And the French need to be thanked and sent back home, of course, to restore order in France.
  25. romashki74
    romashki74 25 November 2015 08: 31 New
    0
    No matter what happens ..... recourse
  26. passerby1
    passerby1 25 November 2015 08: 34 New
    +2
    How do we answer? They didn’t say anything, wiped themselves off and said that "we will stop cooperation in the military sphere." Nothing like a powerful answer.
  27. Saratovets
    Saratovets 25 November 2015 08: 36 New
    +4
    Really a sense of betrayal! It seemed for the first time in hundreds of years we threw away all that heap of contradictions and mutual hatred, and here Erdogan acted like a donkey ... I think our Turkish mandarins will rot in the markets
  28. sl3
    sl3 25 November 2015 08: 53 New
    +2
    Eternal memory to pilots heroes. Condolences to families.
  29. sl3
    sl3 25 November 2015 08: 55 New
    +3
    Do not travel to Turkey, do not buy Turkish goods. need to rally against these y. R. O. D. O. V.
  30. Kalmar
    Kalmar 25 November 2015 08: 59 New
    +3
    Quote: article
    Enhanced security of our aircraft by the Su-35 at full combat load for work in the air and the suppression, or rather, the destruction of any aircraft that will fly into the coverage area of ​​Russian aviation.

    Damn, but before where were you? Our bombers flew along the borders of a state that is a member of NATO and bombed cargoes of economic interest for that state. And no one bothered to give them at least one fighter for cover. As for me, this is a natural criminal negligence, for which military officials should be held accountable.
  31. Cap.Morgan
    Cap.Morgan 25 November 2015 09: 00 New
    +2
    Bomb the whole oil industry at all.
    Tourists take out. There are many places in the world no worse than Turkey. India, Cambodia, for example.
    Ban on the import of Turkish textiles and other consumer goods
  32. Eustace
    Eustace 25 November 2015 09: 07 New
    +2
    And someone drew attention to the fact that during the G-20 meeting, the President of Turkmenistan expressed concern about the launching of missile strikes by the forces of the Caspian Flotilla on ISIS. They say civilian airliners fly in the same place, and you are here with your "Calibers". Many people do not like our policy in Syria. Even the Turkmens are blathering. And Turkey's destruction of oil tankers is like a knife in one place. accustomed to free and cheap petroleum products, and the greatness of the Ottoman Empire does not allow sleeping peacefully.
    1. kashtak
      kashtak 25 November 2015 09: 24 New
      +2
      Quote: Eustace
      Turkey’s defeat of oil tanks in general as a knife in one place. accustomed to free and cheap petroleum products
      the fact of the matter is that there are "scales" on the one hand, income from illegal oil, on the other, tens of billions from other projects. so cheap oil alone is not an explanation.
    2. alexej123
      alexej123 25 November 2015 10: 13 New
      0
      It was not on the G20. It was in Tehran, at the "gas OPEC". Yes, I paid attention. With what aplomb this was also expressed.
  33. Petrov K.
    Petrov K. 25 November 2015 09: 10 New
    +2
    something quite a while ago we did not deliver MANPADS to the Kurds.
    It would be necessary to correct.
  34. X Y Z
    X Y Z 25 November 2015 09: 20 New
    +1
    Some suggested recipes are very surprising. Help the Kurds? But, firstly, the Americans are already helping them, and secondly, this probably means rallying the nation around Erdogan, whom up to 50% of the population does not like. Refusal of tourism? So with this we will punish our tour operators who have significant interest in Turkey. Although this will probably have to be done for security reasons. Bomb Ingerlik with NATO plum sauce? So maybe this is what they look forward to from us, and for this everything was conceived. No, revenge should be weighty and prepared for a cold head with a careful calculation of all the consequences. And not as with the food embargo. And what are we pulling with the delivery of S-300 to Cyprus, where the airspace of this state is constantly and repeatedly violated by the Turkish Air Force?
  35. Murad05
    Murad05 25 November 2015 09: 27 New
    0
    There is a counterattack for every stab in the back, and no matter how, by what means, because in order to achieve a certain goal, and in our case, this is a response to an unexpected and vile act on the part of Turkey, it requires considerable effort and reflection ...
  36. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 25 November 2015 09: 32 New
    -1
    How do we answer? Economic sanctions, of course. I already wrote that lately we are increasingly falling into tsutswang (Zugzwang (German Zugzwang "forcing to move") is a situation in checkers and chess in which any player's move leads to a worsening of his position.) ... And the economic situation we have ... you know. Infa for thought ".. At stake is mutual trade worth over $ 30 billion a year and more than $ 2 billion of mutual accumulated investments. Turkey is the fifth largest trading partner of Russia with a share of 4,6% of all Russian trade with the outside world (according to According to the FCS data for January-September of the current year.) According to this indicator, Turkey is second only to China, Germany, the Netherlands and Italy, but surpasses Belarus, Kazakhstan and Ukraine (each separately).
    The commodity circulation of Russia and Turkey in 2014 amounted to $ 31 billion, for the first nine months of 2015 - $ 18,1 billion, of which $ 15 billion is Russian exports to Turkey (import of Turkish goods amounted to just over $ 3 billion). And taking into account trade in services, Russian-Turkish indicators are even higher: for example, in 2014, the turnover of goods and services amounted to almost $ 44 billion.
    Read more at RBC:
    http://www.rbc.ru/economics/24/11/2015/565491679a794731607274ef
  37. Petrov K.
    Petrov K. 25 November 2015 09: 34 New
    0
    Quote: oldav
    The Bolsheviks are traitors! Saved them in the 18th year. If it were not for them, Constantinople would be ours, millions of Greeks, Armenians, Yezidis would be alive. Armenia would be 2 times larger.

    Zhirik heard enough yesterday?
  38. quatro_globus
    quatro_globus 25 November 2015 09: 38 New
    +4
    Judging by the fact that immediately after the attack on our plane no military response occurred, it seems to me that two variants of events may follow:
    1 will release everything on the brakes, shouting "stab in the back" at every corner, but really only recommendations for our tourists not to go to Turkey;
    Against the background of yesterday's events, France will try to attract option 2 to our coalition, showing the world the true face of the Amer’s coalition, strengthening the PKK’s activity and activating Russia's role in relations with the Kurds and creating, perhaps, some kind of Donbass analogue within Turkey.
    The second option is preferable, because Turkey is no longer a kind of friendly state to us and Russia has free hands in this regard. Thus, my personal opinion, GDP will once again show itself to the world as a strong geopolitical strategist, able to bring our tactical misses / defeats into big geopolitical victories.
    But flirting with the PKK may come back to us, which will not seem a little ...
    P.S. I am sorry for the relatives of our guys who died in Syria, and I hope that our leadership will adequately answer the Turks and terrorists for their death!
    1. andrew42
      andrew42 25 November 2015 10: 25 New
      0
      To attract Kurds is also to pull them out from under American influence. There is nothing more expensive than this. And the Kurds are a much more acceptable companion than to "call for interaction" the same France, or someone else. These are enough diplomatic neutrality and condemnation of terrorism. It is better to work with the Kurds than to share the Syrian sky with Western "allies".
      1. quatro_globus
        quatro_globus 25 November 2015 13: 17 New
        -2
        As if later these Kurds did not turn into an analogue of the "Syrian moderate opposition", which then may rush to daish.
        Americans in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria also fed such "muddy" detachments and what did this lead to?
        Al Qaeda was also fed by amers to oppose us in Afghanistan, and then acted against amers.
        The main thing here is to weigh and calculate everything 100500 times, so that we wouldn’t get such cooperation sideways.
  39. acegeo
    acegeo 25 November 2015 09: 42 New
    +1
    The number of our tourists announced yesterday, this is 12% of the total Turkish tourist flow. In $ it is 3 billion, i.e. income from tourism 25 billion. Of course, now most of ours are not a foot in Turkey, but do not gloat that we will punish them with this, our place will be taken by accomplices of terrorists from the English. germ. and others.

    And our answer to the Turks is unequivocal, the slightest violation of the Syrian border by Turkish aviation is destruction without warning. And then you can say that 10 times the pilot was warned.
    And NATO will disown Turkey quickly, the Americans are big docks, for various legal conflicts and double standards.
  40. antikilller55
    antikilller55 25 November 2015 09: 51 New
    +1
    It will not remain unanswered how to drink now to give this silence and supposedly inaction is not just happening, all possible options are being worked out to bend the turbos.
  41. tveritianin
    tveritianin 25 November 2015 10: 05 New
    15
    I regret that, as a retired air defense officer, he has already come out of the age when he could have helped in air defense against the arrogant Turks.
    I didn’t forget, and while I’m alive, I don’t forget that my Armenian ancestors were forced to change their surname to Azerbaijani and flee to Georgia, fleeing the Young Turks' knives and scimitar in 1915.
    I never believed that you can be friends with Turkey (especially with the current one). But I remember and am proud of the Russian weapons that brought them to their knees more than a dozen times. Therefore, I am sure that Russia will find a worthy answer.
    But I, like many pros, have several questions for those who played in the winning broadcasts, who were dizzy and the desire to make a hole for the next order outweighed the desire to use their knowledge to fully and unconditionally ensure the safety of the Supreme military missions with our Remarkable flight crew .
    The guys write correctly:
    - why was there one SU-24 one kilometer from the border with the state, from which you can expect anything;
    - why didn’t they stipulate meanness from the Turks, when in the first days they began to brazenly declare that they would shoot down (we gave them such a chance, without even crossing the border);
    - why there were no escort and cover fighters;
    - why the EW grouping from the ships and the air base was not used to ensure the fulfillment of a safe flight mission by drying (after all, the guys in the cockpit were sure that when sending them to this area, they would be covered by their other comrades);
    - why so many videos were on the air of all TV channels about the capabilities of our aircraft, but at the right time the warning system for pilots about an attack by an enemy aircraft did not work for them;
    - and finally, why the planning of the military operation in a foreign airspace was carried out, as if the plane was carrying out a combat training mission at the Russian training grounds, and not at the theater of operations.
    After all, even the rescue operation, as the subsequent situation showed, did not develop as it would be desirable. It means that those who are responsible for this component of planning are either not competent or relaxed (to put it mildly), as a result of which we yesterday witnessed how our classy pilot, probably a wonderful father, son, brother, was first shot meanly in the air of defenseless, and then tormented his body to cries of the almighty.
    I could not see it yesterday! And the one whose fault killed the marine, the one who blamed the Russian guy who flew to fulfill his duty to his homeland, must himself repent to the people. There should be a statement from the representatives of the Ministry of Defense that the vile stab in the back occurred, including through our own fault, in view of the poor quality of combat support for the combat operation. Only then it is possible to demand satisfaction from the Erdogans and other igilas.
    The earth should burn under them, not one of their aircraft should no longer fly up to the Syrian border, but even take off when we work there. Our group has everything for this.
    But it’s so easy to lose the priceless lives of our guys because of someone’s stupidity or narrow thinking. There are so few of us Russians in this world. We are only 142 million. For us, every life of our fellow citizens should be like a gem that needs to be protected.
    But for those of our fellow citizens who do not understand the full depth of the moment, and after what has happened they continue to fly to Turkey for a vacation, the state should clearly make clear that if something happens, all responsibility for their life will fall on them. Their safety, their evacuation from there will only be at their expense.
    Although I understand with my mind that everything is as old as the World: for some, the War, but for others, the mother is native.
    It's a shame for the state, a shame for the carelessness of the military and the very dead. Eternal memory to them!
    1. Starik72
      Starik72 25 November 2015 14: 55 New
      0
      Thank you Vladimir for the very correct comment !!! Yours faithfully !
    2. TanyaKar
      TanyaKar 25 November 2015 15: 59 New
      0
      Thanks for the comment . It was very bitter to read it. You're right: there aren't many of us left. Great pilots are invaluable Russian potential. It's hard to say, but still I will say: “We started for health, but finished (for now) for peace.
      There are no excuses for MO, because there are too many - WHAT ?!! .....
      It is time to show civic consciousness to the Russian aligarchs and fall back on maintaining sovereignty and the confidence of our citizens in a worthy future in their country.
    3. Pete mitchell
      Pete mitchell 25 November 2015 19: 42 New
      +7
      I agree, and as a former officer of the Air Defense IA I think it's time to roll out the instant-31, having announced in advance that everyone is free. And even more "align" the entire territory with ODABs, without hints.
  42. komissar1973
    komissar1973 25 November 2015 10: 07 New
    -4
    I propose: 1 day for the departure of all ships and the evacuation of residents from the environs of the Bosphorus, then a single strike with a power of 0,5 ct. Then the transfer of the Bosphorus to Russia. SEE, unfortunately, will not pull the Bosphorus, we can capture it, hold it there.
  43. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 25 November 2015 10: 14 New
    +2
    And also about economic cooperation with Turkey. "... So, LUKOIL has almost 700 filling stations in Turkey, or 4% of the country's fuel market. Inter RAO UES owns the Trakia gas power plant worth $ 67,7 million. Sberbank bought the ninth largest bank in Turkey in 2013 with 680 branches all over the country - DenizBank. Gas Group assembles 3-3,5 thousand Gazel Next cars at the Turkish plant. MMK has a metallurgical plant in Turkey. Mikhail Fridman has 13,22% of shares in the largest cellular operator in Turkey Turkcell. Even Yandex got 7% ​​of the Internet market in Turkey. "... http: //vz.ru/economy/2015/11/25/779992.html
  44. andrew42
    andrew42 25 November 2015 10: 16 New
    +7
    The main thing is not to spoil the fever. And do not throw diplomatic hysteria on the public.
    1) One diplomatic note is enough to communicate with Erdogan. Next is the silence mode. This is scarier than diplomatic throwing in the style of "righteous Hollande". To keep a pause until the tourists leave Tourland - those who "adore Turkey", despite the warning from the Russian Foreign Ministry, do not appear on the lists.
    2) Tourist business with Turkey - collapse unambiguously. Let the tourists get out of there slowly. Business by business, but trips to the host country of terror is nonsense, even if the hotels are still tip-top.
    3) Precisely damage Turkish exporters. Whatever they say, but the Russian market for consumer goods is needed primarily by the Turks, and not by us. A holy place is never empty: there is China, India, Vietnam, and many others. We can do without Turkish jeans, leather jackets and dishes.
    As for export, in such a situation, under the Erdogan rule, stirring up the South Stream is economic suicide. The same thing with nuclear power plants - let the cleared sites be built up as they want - to suspend, definitely. Again, the Turks themselves are interested in exporting Russian energy carriers, and without oil smuggling - all the more so, besides, Russia will now bite its lip and this business will be buried. Well, they are Turks - they will fight, but they will not stop buying and trading.
    4) To inflict a massive missile and bomb attack on any military formations in the north of Latakia, up to the Turkish border. Prioritize clearing the territory to the Turkish border. A Turkoman, not a Turkoman, who has not hidden himself is to blame. Whatever "ethnic rebels" may be, their insolence is multiplied by Turkish support and is driven out only by wild fear for their skins. There is no other recipe.
    5) Cover the north of Syria with a dense air defense dome. Assad must separately announce the closure of the airspace for all third-party "games" on pain of immediate destruction.
    6) Continue to destroy the oil industry of the Turkey-IG consortium. Press and press, in all the "toilets".
    7) Strengthen contacts between Assad and the Syrian Kurds. To promise them even mountains of gold, but to pull them out from under the American "cap". We need a close military alliance, and the possibility of using the Kurdish territory for the special services of the SAR and the Russian Federation. With all the ensuing consequences for Tourland ..
    8) In a month, when the noise around the downed Sushka has ceased, a pair of Turkish sides, if they appear in the zone +/- 5 km from the border, may well be finished, even over the Turkish border, - under an unknown flag and from an uncontrolled territory, - this, of course, will be done by the terrorists so beloved by Erdogan. Whoever shoots in the fog, let him be ready to get a bullet out of the fog.
    1. TanyaKar
      TanyaKar 25 November 2015 17: 17 New
      0
      Millions of Russian citizens would really like everything to be exactly as you wrote.
      Under this wish-appeal, millions of our fellow citizens and not only ours will subscribe.
  45. Letterksi
    Letterksi 25 November 2015 10: 19 New
    0

    In this video, Marat Musin filmed a rescue operation of the helicopter crew and the time of the downing of the Su-24
  46. Hey
    Hey 25 November 2015 10: 23 New
    +4
    As you want, you can minus, you can demote to an ordinary but ...
    Russia will rub off again.
    Examples: Qatar - beating an ambassador, the answer is zero cause gas.
    Crimea - Sberbank, VTB do not work, you see the sanctions.
    Ukraine is a separate song. Mud poured incredibly. They smashed the embassy, ​​personally insulted the president, blocked off water and light. And each time forgiveness in the form of gas discounts, farewells on gas and credit debts, light at domestic prices, etc. etc.
    Whose ears are there Gazprom, Sberbank, etc.
    France - the Mistrals - have been swallowed.
    And now Turkey is again the same Gazprom with 15 billion, travel agencies with 3 mil. tourists., building companies.
    I think they will sell the commander in chief. They will let everything down on the brakes.
    1. shuka
      shuka 25 November 2015 10: 40 New
      +2
      With seriousness of intentions (emphasis in the preface), the first thing to do was to evacuate potential hostages, our tourists, about 10000 thousand, which will not happen, as the bureaucrat from Rostourism said, "there is no reason", second: send the Turkish ambassador and recall ours, yesterday it was necessary to do, the third was announced, precisely through the media, about bringing the systems of Russia's nuclear triad into a state of activation (combat retargeting). Therefore, as in the case of Boeing, they will play for time, then they will mumble something, and we will be allowed to wipe off and hide under the covers. These are obvious conclusions and elementary logic from our "yesterday's response to the aggressor" PS A pessimist is just a well-informed optimist.
    2. Starik72
      Starik72 25 November 2015 15: 09 New
      +1
      MAUD. I don’t think they’ll let them down. The answer will be! The only question is when and how soon.
  47. komissar1973
    komissar1973 25 November 2015 10: 24 New
    +1
    Quote: tveritianin
    - why so many videos were on the air of all TV channels about the capabilities of our aircraft, but at the right time the warning system for pilots about an attack by an enemy aircraft did not work for them;

    induced 16 from the ground tgsn turned on (it does not radiate anything) waiting for the capture made a start ((((;
    Quote: tveritianin
    why the EW grouping from the ships and the air base was not used to ensure the fulfillment of a safe flight mission by drying (after all, the guys in the cockpit were sure that when sending them to this area, they would be covered by their other comrades);

    - Rebovtsy and radio intelligence specialists will answer for this; the radio altimeter, transpoder worked for 16. communication channel with pu. everyone knew that he was going for 24 and most likely our guys were given information on him by the start no one expected;
    Quote: tveritianin
    I could not see it yesterday! And the one whose fault killed the marine, the one who blamed the Russian guy who flew to fulfill his duty to his homeland, must himself repent to the people. There should be a statement from the representatives of the Ministry of Defense that the vile stab in the back occurred, including through our own fault, in view of the poor quality of combat support for the combat operation. Only then it is possible to demand satisfaction from the Erdogans and other igilas.

    And this is the point. We need to figure out what the failure is, and then beautifully plan and inevitably implement, but I forgot to leave the GDP business card in the funnel so half-burned.
  48. Selevc
    Selevc 25 November 2015 10: 27 New
    +2
    It seems to me that a really good and effective would be an indirect blow to Turkey ... In this situation, the easiest way to start a war is to shoot down a couple of Turkish planes but ... !!! There will be a lot of noise ... How serious and effective are the long-term consequences ??? It would be much more reasonable to strike at one of the vulnerabilities in Turkey - and as you know, there are many of them - for example, the Kurdish question, the question of the occupation of Crete, the Greek question - and I think experts in the Middle East will name many more pain points in Ankara ...
    The blow should be hidden, subtle and perhaps incomprehensible at first ...
    And in general it’s strange why the Russians love vacation in Turkey so much ??? - There are many countries where real friends are waiting for you - for example, Vietnam, Cuba, Venezuela and many others ... Russia, being a giant in some industries for some reason, is a dwarf in the field of tourism ... You need to build your hotels, your resorts and be independent from the Turks or from any of the insidious "friends" who, with a two-faced smile, with a barrel for back and with a scimitar in his bosom ...
  49. Alexandr-NVR
    Alexandr-NVR 25 November 2015 10: 33 New
    +4
    Eye for an eye. During the Cold War, this was the norm. My opinion:
    1. Arrange for the Turks at least the same. Ideally, over Kurdish territory, when they fly to bomb them again. On earth, a warm welcome will be guaranteed. Neither NATO, nor the Americans will undertake anything serious (those who like to sing the praises of NAT and its readiness to breastfeed ... - relax). They will express deep concern and make it clear that this is not an attack on an alliance member, but an incident between Russia and Turkey. They know how to turn things around so that everything is correct. There should be one answer to all questions and wishes for clarification - "No comment". If this is not done, but limited to only warnings, then in a couple of months our planes will shoot down everyone who is not lazy (Americans, paddling pools, Jews ...)
    2. Do not become a prostitute (a la hohland). All projects and cooperation close. Including the planned gas pipeline and nuclear power plants. Yes, we lose, but is this not the case when you need to step over the loot?
    3. Understand and draw the right conclusions with the command of the VKS group in Syria. Why was the bomber without cover, and precisely for this there is the Su-30. I think if the Turks had seen a lonely bomber in front of them, which is easy to shoot like in a shooting gallery, then nothing like this would have happened.
    4. GDP is about time to start separating flies from cutlets. Isn't it time to stop considering someone who is rather an enemy, if not an enemy, as an ally? That's when "stabs in the back!" will not, and it will not be necessary to calculate losses in case of a breakdown. I did not like the "unfriendly act" in the MO statement. It is not unfriendly but hostile Act.
    Some people mention Turkey’s trump card - to close the strait. Well then - war. And the Turks need to talk about this confidentially and popularly.
  50. Landwarrior
    Landwarrior 25 November 2015 10: 35 New
    +1
    Yes, calm down you, hot heads! Russia will not do anything. At least for now, otherwise our tourists will be cut right on the beaches there.
    Maybe then some thread byaku will be installed by the Turks, but for now, they simply spit through their teeth and pretend that there was nothing.
    Revenge is a cold dish wink