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The flight of the T-50 with the engine of the second stage is transferred to 2018 g

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The first flight of the promising Russian airline T-50 with the 2-th stage engine was postponed until 2018 g, reports MIC with reference to Deputy General Designer of the United Engine Corporation Viktor Belousov.




"Preparing for the flight is 2017 year, the first flight is in 2018 year," said a JDC spokesman.

Earlier it was reported that the PAK FA will rise into the air with a new engine (“30 product”) in 2017. Now the aircraft’s prototypes are equipped with the 1 stage engines (“117 product”).

“This year one sample of the engine of the second stage will be ready,” said Belousov. Initially, 2015 g planned to make 2 such demonstrator.

Recall that in the summer, Deputy Defense Minister Yury Borisov reported that the military department would cut PAK FA purchases to one squadron, but it would increase the order for new Su-35 fighters.
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  1. roskot
    roskot 24 November 2015 17: 28 New
    37
    There is no Stalin on them. They themselves would fly in 2016 as test subjects.
    1. DIVAN SOLDIER
      DIVAN SOLDIER 24 November 2015 17: 29 New
      40
      There is no Stalin on the Turks !!!
      1. Wild_grey_wolf
        Wild_grey_wolf 24 November 2015 17: 31 New
        +5
        Quote: DIVAN SOLDIER
        There is no Stalin on the Turks !!!


        Yes, I support, they spoiled everything in the world, now people who have nothing to do with this terrorist attack will suffer, "A stab in the back" V.V.
      2. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 24 November 2015 17: 57 New
        10
        This is how a sad way all the PR efforts of the modern Russian authorities end.
        After all, all experts said that the T-50 aircraft is very good, but still very crude.
        They said that the dviglo would not be ready for the announced and monstrously publicized term of the series.
        Many respected people who have lived all their lives in aviation, also shouted at the VO that the plane was not ready for the series, raked a bunch of minuses from stupid urryakol.
        But here it is a fact, well, scream lurking, or maybe you look really at the processes taking place in the Russian Federation ... soldier
        1. Anatole
          Anatole 24 November 2015 20: 44 New
          +3
          It seems to be the case with regards to an objective understanding with the T-50 project, and said, okay, why was it necessary to turn sour to revanchism to some once disagreeing.
          But how did they stand up with ugly stubbornness to distort the word Ur, vyser not otherwise. Each race is straightforward when I read. My inspiration and the most respected people went into battle with this word. I assure you, if they hear how they distort, even at 90 they will give to the tambourine. In short, we really got it, poke it into each hole like a plug, do not mutilate the memory of the “persecutors”.
        2. Wheel
          Wheel 24 November 2015 21: 17 New
          +3
          Quote: Stroporez
          But here it is a fact, well, scream lurking, or maybe you look really at the processes taking place in the Russian Federation ...
          It’s really difficult to see, it’s necessary to strain the gyrus.
        3. Pajamas
          Pajamas 24 November 2015 21: 45 New
          +1
          Yes, you’re absolutely right, and all the “Hat-throwers” ​​hid, here in each article of the “Nexus” the “T-50 squadrons were put into operation and the F22 were shot down” to do this in the lessons, pick your nose and America bomb.
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      4. Days
        Days 24 November 2015 20: 56 New
        0
        Quote: DIVAN SOLDIER
        There is no Stalin on the Turks !!!

        Suvorov to the Turks not. It is symbolic, by the way, that NATO did this provocation with the help of the Turks today: November 24 is Suvorov’s birthday
      5. Evil Kind
        Evil Kind 25 November 2015 00: 18 New
        +2
        Stalin is not at all !!!
    2. 79807420129
      79807420129 24 November 2015 17: 29 New
      23
      Quote: roskot
      There is no Stalin on them. They themselves would fly in 2016 as test subjects.

      But the liberals have a complete government led by the prime minister.
      1. gergi
        gergi 24 November 2015 23: 27 New
        +1
        Yes, we’re out of luck with the prime minister.
    3. LVMI1980
      LVMI1980 24 November 2015 17: 42 New
      -1
      If so smart, why don’t you work in this area
      1. ava09
        ava09 24 November 2015 17: 49 New
        11
        Quote: LVMI1980
        If so smart, why don’t you work in this area

        Everyone’s task is not to work in the area in which something is bad now, but to work so that everything in their area is good ...
    4. Sweles
      Sweles 24 November 2015 17: 47 New
      0
      How much do you need to bring down our planes in order to transfer the second-stage engine to the end of the year 15, as previously planned?
      1. quote
        quote 24 November 2015 17: 56 New
        +4
        Quote: Sveles
        How much do you need to bring down our planes in order to transfer the second-stage engine to the end of the year 15, as previously planned?

        But if you soberly think about it? A plan, a PLAN, BUT YOU WILL NOT FLY TO THE “LOG”! Well, don’t you think the designers and manufacturers do not want to go faster? I want to, but there is something to work on thoroughly. Well, for sure, it’s better to walk and pass the Cossack phase ", immediately aim at the Mercedes
        1. Sweles
          Sweles 24 November 2015 19: 54 New
          0
          Quote: devis
          Quote: Sveles
          How much do you need to bring down our planes in order to transfer the second-stage engine to the end of the year 15, as previously planned?

          But if you soberly think about it? A plan, a PLAN, BUT YOU WILL NOT FLY TO THE “LOG”! Well, don’t you think the designers and manufacturers do not want to go faster? I want to, but there is something to work on thoroughly. Well, for sure, it’s better to walk and pass the Cossack phase ", immediately aim at the Mercedes


          It's not about the designers, it's about the customer.
    5. Homo
      Homo 24 November 2015 18: 43 New
      +2
      Quote: roskot
      There is no Stalin on them. They themselves would fly in 2016 as test subjects.

      Another "Goldfish" drew? So what problems, a couple of tail swings and the right amount of engines in stock! Tongue to grind not tossing bags. AND
    6. arnulla
      arnulla 24 November 2015 18: 49 New
      +2
      Under Stalin, they would have flown in 2015 already. To Kolyma ...
      1. GSH-18
        GSH-18 24 November 2015 19: 17 New
        -1
        Quote: arnulla
        Under Stalin, they would have flown in 2015 already. To Kolyma ...

        Only dviglo from this did not appear this very minute.
      2. clidon
        clidon 24 November 2015 21: 27 New
        0
        Under Stalin, even you would have easily been in Kolyma. Or away.
  2. Salavatsky Ministry of Emergency Situations
    Salavatsky Ministry of Emergency Situations 24 November 2015 17: 29 New
    0
    And how to understand this? Is this the same when it will start to release? After 2020 year?
    But they will increase the order for the new Su-35 fighters ... Oh, oh, oh, how promising.
    They are already stamped without an increased order.

    Well, let's then, instead of Almaty, increase the order for T-72 or T-55.

    No words, only emotions.
    1. Themi30
      Themi30 24 November 2015 17: 39 New
      +7
      Is it the same when they start releasing it? After 2020?

      Yes, after that, if you were really interested in the topic, and not the sofa bubbling, you would know that the 5th generation engine will be after 2020, so (the second stage demonstrator engine) this is never the finish line. And to draw analogies SU-35 = T-55 ... this emphasizes the level of expert opinion that you do not need to buy SU-35
      1. Salavatsky Ministry of Emergency Situations
        Salavatsky Ministry of Emergency Situations 24 November 2015 17: 52 New
        +2
        Quote: TheMi30
        This emphasizes expert opinion.


        This is not an expert opinion, but an evil irony.
        And about the sofa bubnezh ... You really enlighten me sirloy, on the topic of T-50. What is there, but how, even if the rest of the sofas esteem, the mind will be ponaber.

        Won already and Romanov schoolchildren began to drive smile

        MOSCOW, 2 February. / Tass /. The United Aircraft Building Corporation (UAC) will begin to deliver the installation batch of the fifth-generation fighter T-50 (PAK FA) in 2016, the UAC press service told TASS.
        "The delivery of fifth-generation T-50 fighters for the Defense Ministry is scheduled to begin in 2016 year according to the schedule," said the corporation.
        After the announcement, 9 months passed ...

        Not the topic, but the topic: One of the military leaders of the Syrian Turkmen said that his people shot both pilots of the Russian Su-24 after they had ejected and parachuted. Reported by Reuters.
        Read more: http://www.kommersant.ru/doc/2861241
        1. Normal ok
          Normal ok 24 November 2015 18: 56 New
          +3
          Quote: Salavatsky Ministry of Emergency Situations
          Quote: TheMi30
          This emphasizes expert opinion.


          This is not an expert opinion, but an evil irony.
          And about the sofa bubnezh ... You really enlighten me sirloy, on the topic of T-50. What is there, but how, even if the rest of the sofas esteem, the mind will be ponaber.

          Won already and Romanov schoolchildren began to drive smile

          MOSCOW, 2 February. / Tass /. The United Aircraft Building Corporation (UAC) will begin to deliver the installation batch of the fifth-generation fighter T-50 (PAK FA) in 2016, the UAC press service told TASS.
          "The delivery of fifth-generation T-50 fighters for the Defense Ministry is scheduled to begin in 2016 year according to the schedule," said the corporation.
          After the announcement, 9 months passed ...

          You do not receive information on TV, but rummage through specialized sites. On TV - as under Brezhnev, they say not what is actually, but what citizens need to hear. Like "all is well beautiful marquise."
          1. Salavatsky Ministry of Emergency Situations
            Salavatsky Ministry of Emergency Situations 24 November 2015 20: 41 New
            +3
            Quote: Normal ok
            Type "all is well beautiful marquise"


            Yes, I climbed on specialized sites, that's the whole point.
            PAK-FA is still raw. I'm afraid as if the story did not repeat with the F-35, only in our version.

            But we like to wishful thinking, mislead people.
            This is what infuriates. That's why I swore here, for which I grabbed the minuses.
            1. mav1971
              mav1971 24 November 2015 22: 22 New
              +3
              Quote: Salavatsky Ministry of Emergency Situations

              But we like to wishful thinking, mislead people.
              This is what infuriates. That's why I swore here, for which I grabbed the minuses.


              Score for minus.
              And those who wishful thinking are worthy of getting Claudia's teeth in the teeth.
              For projects never succeed in fighting.
              Only combat parts.
              And the local idiots - the whole site was filled with the superiority of our weapons - which is still in the projects.
              And when you tell them about it directly, or indirectly, taking into account the proverbs, the centuries-old experience of the Russian people, they minus you with terrible force.
              So you think - who are they?
              Whether d-e-b-and-l-s, in pink glasses, unable to even see the pace of production, roofing felts anti-Russian trolls.
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    3. quote
      quote 24 November 2015 18: 25 New
      +3
      Quote: Salavatsky Ministry of Emergency Situations
      And how to understand this? Is this the same when it will start to release? After 2020 year?
      But they will increase the order for the new Su-35 fighters ... Oh, oh, oh, how promising.
      They are already stamped without an increased order.

      Well, let's then, instead of Almaty, increase the order for T-72 or T-55.

      No words, only emotions.

      Emotions alone, that would be “thoughts”!
      1. Salavatsky Ministry of Emergency Situations
        Salavatsky Ministry of Emergency Situations 24 November 2015 18: 47 New
        +1
        Quote: devis
        Here are the "thoughts"!


        Whence thoughts from such an expert like me. Only emotions.
    4. clidon
      clidon 24 November 2015 21: 30 New
      +1
      It was immediately clear that you couldn’t take such a project with a bang, and this “bird” would not be real soon ... Just look at the same pioneers of the F-22 (and F-35) /
      In the meantime, the order is not being increased for Su-35 (which 48 + 48 was originally intended to be ordered), but for Su-30SM.
  3. tomket
    tomket 24 November 2015 17: 30 New
    11
    As I recall, the t-50 should have arrived this year ....
    1. kil 31
      kil 31 24 November 2015 17: 48 New
      0
      Quote: tomket
      As I recall, the t-50 should have arrived this year ....
      Yes, under delayed. They promised the following. But the article about the engines of the 2nd generation, with the 2nd no one promised.
    2. clidon
      clidon 24 November 2015 21: 30 New
      +1
      "In 2013, the first 10 production vehicles should enter the army ..."
  4. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 24 November 2015 17: 31 New
    +5
    I’m no longer zayid in this subject; I don’t want to read the comments of schoolchildren.
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 24 November 2015 17: 46 New
      +3
      I’m no longer zayid in this subject; I don’t want to read the comments of schoolchildren.


      Sadness ... sad
    2. dsi
      dsi 24 November 2015 17: 48 New
      +3
      Spot, fell in love with the teacher ... ik ...
  5. Terrible_L.
    Terrible_L. 24 November 2015 17: 38 New
    +1
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    I’m no longer zayid in this subject; I don’t want to read the comments of schoolchildren.

    everything, the topic died, commentators were afraid to be considered schoolchildren
  6. max2215
    max2215 24 November 2015 17: 39 New
    +4
    Yeah, in the KB, the wizards are sitting, rubbing their fists on the Kuhlmann and voila, dviglo is ready. Lockheed has been fighting for a decade, but of course, the loot is being sawn, but if there was a solution there would be a plane, apparently it's not so simple with the engine ...
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 24 November 2015 17: 53 New
      +4
      "Lockheed has been beating for a decade" ////

      Above what? Not exactly over the engine.
      They have the most powerful in their class.
      "Pratt & Whitney F135"
      thrust 190 kN max., 125 kN intermediate.

      For comparison, the Su-35:
      thrust 142 kN max., 86.3 kN intermediate

      It’s just that the Su-35 has two such engines, and the F-35 has only one.
      1. Oleg14774
        Oleg14774 24 November 2015 18: 20 New
        -2
        Quote: voyaka uh
        They have the most powerful in their class.
        "Pratt & Whitney F135"

        But the f-35 didn’t really fly, it doesn’t fly. And you can kiss them in z as you want your amers.
        1. mav1971
          mav1971 24 November 2015 22: 26 New
          +2
          Quote: Oleg147741
          Quote: voyaka uh
          They have the most powerful in their class.
          "Pratt & Whitney F135"

          But the f-35 didn’t really fly, it doesn’t fly. And you can kiss them in z as you want your amers.


          Stop turning on the fool.
          150 planes are already flying.

          And nobody licks anything.
          The enemy needs to know.
          And do not live in pink glasses, your pink glasses just lead to licking shoes, subsequently.
          1. Days
            Days 25 November 2015 14: 07 New
            0
            What silly arguments "stop turning on the fool" and "they fly"?

            The T-50 with the engine of the first stage (from the Su-35) also flies remarkably, and the thrust-weight ratio of the AL-31Ф1 is higher. Not to mention that the AL-31F1 has a controlled thrust vector, and that the Su-35 and T-50 have two engines each, which makes the total thrust much higher than your wonderful American engine, which you praise.
            1. mav1971
              mav1971 25 November 2015 18: 56 New
              0
              Quote: Dagen
              What silly arguments "stop turning on the fool" and "they fly"?

              The T-50 with the engine of the first stage (from the Su-35) also flies remarkably, and the thrust-weight ratio of the AL-31Ф1 is higher. Not to mention that the AL-31F1 has a controlled thrust vector, and that the Su-35 and T-50 have two engines each, which makes the total thrust much higher than your wonderful American engine, which you praise.


              Again.
              T-50 is not a combat aircraft.
              So far, these are test flying layouts, of which only 6 pieces have been built.
              The combat capability is zero.
              In combat parts - zero.
              While this is still a "poster on duty" - is that right?
              That's when a couple of squadrons will be in service - then we will honestly say that we have the T-50.
              Now we have nothing.
              Or again you will be measured by projections?
              Enough.

              How many scammers yelled about the Su-24 and Donald Cook, about the unsurpassed electronic warfare.
              But only the words of the rescued navigator were that they received a missile suddenly.
              They knew neither about the enemy plane, nor about the launched rocket, until the explosion of the plane.
              Where is the EW?
              No her.
              Projects all this.
              Only advertising KRETa rushing and rushing.
              And then the stupid souls believe that all our planes are equipped with these means.
              And they’re smacking immensely.
              But they are not in real life.
              They are in a single form of layout in KRET.
              And the pilots die.
              1. Days
                Days 25 November 2015 21: 03 New
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                Where did I say something about the T-50? An article about the engine and above we discuss the engine.

                Again. Do you seriously compare aircraft engines by the number of aircraft released? To the arguments "" and "they fly" was added the argument "we also still have prototypes"? Cool. AL-31F1 is also on the Su-35. And it flies wonderful.
      2. Days
        Days 24 November 2015 21: 09 New
        -2
        Quote: voyaka uh
        They have the most powerful in their class.

        In which place? By dry weight - the most massive?)
  7. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 24 November 2015 17: 41 New
    0
    I would like to see the T-50 with a 2 generation engine in motion.
    1. Iline
      Iline 24 November 2015 18: 16 New
      +3
      Quote: dchegrinec
      I would like to see the T-50 with a 2 generation engine in motion.

      And I would like to see the T-50 in the final version, and not with this engine. At this pace of engine development, when it is ready, the T-50 itself will no longer need anything - they will begin to stir up something new, again in anticipation of a super - engine duper.
      I don’t understand the current system of aircraft development - first they develop a glider and equipment for the specified technical specifications, and then they start to scratch the question "why should he fly, beautiful?" After all, to develop a glider and equipment in time is also a lot to try. And engines, at least in development, should move in parallel. If not ahead.
      Maybe I'm wrong, I would like to believe in it. But in recent decades, the industry has either rethought the Soviet stock, or prayed to the west, or nothing works. Autocad to help us.
  8. Patriot C
    Patriot C 24 November 2015 17: 42 New
    +2
    Quote: 79807420129
    Quote: roskot
    There is no Stalin on them. They themselves would fly in 2016 as test subjects.

    But the liberals have a complete government led by the prime minister.

    and who appointed this government with his own hands, who changes ministers?
  9. Wild_grey_wolf
    Wild_grey_wolf 24 November 2015 17: 43 New
    +1
    And most importantly, not owning a complete situation, you understand that you can’t change anything and want to believe in the best and hope that designers, developers and, most importantly, the military know what they are doing. . . The Turks knock down our planes. . . b. . . . b.
    The leadership must do everything so that the people by the actions of our government are SATISFIED. . .
  10. KBR109
    KBR109 24 November 2015 17: 46 New
    +2
    But our press was already full of comparisons of existing 5th generation machines with “our magnificent and unparalleled T-50 in the world.” There really are NO analogues.
    1. sa-ag
      sa-ag 24 November 2015 17: 53 New
      0
      Quote: KBR109
      There really are NO analogs.

      What is his craving?
      1. KBR109
        KBR109 24 November 2015 18: 16 New
        +1
        When will he fly? When will it be delivered to the troops? request
  11. P. Yaroslav
    P. Yaroslav 24 November 2015 17: 50 New
    +4
    Not good news. In the current foreign policy conditions, on the contrary, it would be necessary to force, rather than postpone.
  12. fa2998
    fa2998 24 November 2015 18: 07 New
    +1
    Quote: dchegrinec
    I would like to see the T-50 with a 2 generation engine in motion.

    All re-equipped! If the first one is at 18, the state tests are up to 20 pre-series and military tests are up to 25, and then serial ones. And this is a good scenario, without transfers and inconsistencies. hi
  13. Patriot C
    Patriot C 24 November 2015 18: 15 New
    +2
    Quote: sa-ag
    Quote: KBR109
    There really are NO analogs.

    What is his craving?

    not yet, because There are no full-time engines.
  14. IAlex
    IAlex 24 November 2015 18: 41 New
    +6
    New breakfasts have been prepared for cheers ...
  15. hartlend
    hartlend 24 November 2015 19: 55 New
    -4
    The fifth column is working.
    1. wk
      wk 25 November 2015 00: 40 New
      +1
      Quote: hartlend
      The fifth column is working.

      Obama is his mother! the culman broke!
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  16. da Vinci
    da Vinci 24 November 2015 22: 10 New
    +4
    That's why I don’t like bragging: and here is the best thing ... Do, show, confirm in practice, and then modestly boasted ... wink
  17. Abrekkos
    Abrekkos 24 November 2015 23: 48 New
    +1
    Quote: Stroporez
    After all, all experts said that the T-50 aircraft is very good, but still very crude.



    Well, you never know what anyone said.
    Specialists about new and top secret products are not specifically expressed. Because they go under the form.
    For them it’s a crime. They do not say anything, and those who at least somehow stood nearby and could hear something.
    Basically, people write about it who absolutely do not know anything and so they pretend to be on the convex blue sea eye.

    Almost everything that is written on the Internet is either speculation and largely misinformation, or about junk, which is no secret to anyone.
    At least I have not read another.