The flight of the T-50 with the engine of the second stage is transferred to 2018 g

The first flight of the promising Russian airline T-50 with the 2-th stage engine was postponed until 2018 g, reports MIC with reference to Deputy General Designer of the United Engine Corporation Viktor Belousov.

"Preparing for the flight is 2017 year, the first flight is in 2018 year," said a JDC spokesman.

Earlier it was reported that the PAK FA will rise into the air with a new engine (“30 product”) in 2017. Now the aircraft’s prototypes are equipped with the 1 stage engines (“117 product”).

“This year one sample of the engine of the second stage will be ready,” said Belousov. Initially, 2015 g planned to make 2 such demonstrator.

Recall that in the summer, Deputy Defense Minister Yury Borisov reported that the military department would cut PAK FA purchases to one squadron, but it would increase the order for new Su-35 fighters.

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[roskot]

There is no Stalin on them. They themselves would fly in 2016 as test subjects.

[DIVAN SOLDIER]

There is no Stalin on the Turks !!!

[Wild_grey_wolf]

Quote: DIVAN SOLDIER

There is no Stalin on the Turks !!!

Yes, I support, they spoiled everything in the world, now people who have nothing to do with this terrorist attack will suffer, "A stab in the back" V.V.

[Sling cutter]

This is how a sad way all the PR efforts of the modern Russian authorities end.
After all, all experts said that the T-50 aircraft is very good, but still very crude.
They said that the dviglo would not be ready for the announced and monstrously publicized term of the series.
Many respected people who have lived all their lives in aviation, also shouted at the VO that the plane was not ready for the series, raked a bunch of minuses from stupid urryakol.
But here it is a fact, well, scream lurking, or maybe you look really at the processes taking place in the Russian Federation ...

[Anatole]

It seems to be the case with regards to an objective understanding with the T-50 project, and said, okay, why was it necessary to turn sour to revanchism to some once disagreeing.
But how did they get tired of distorting the word Ur with ugly stubbornness? Each race is straight up when I read. My inspirers and the most respected people went to battle with this word. I assure you, if they hear how they are covering, even in their 90s they will play a tambourine. In short, they really got it, put it into every hole like a plug, do not disfigure the memory of the "incliners".

[Wheel]

Quote: Stroporez

But here it is a fact, well, scream lurking, or maybe you look really at the processes taking place in the Russian Federation ...

It’s really difficult to see, it’s necessary to strain the gyrus.

[Pajamas]

Yes, you are absolutely right, and all the "Shapcomets" hid, here in every article "Nexus" "squadrons of T-50 were put into operation and the F22 were knocked down" there is nothing to do in the classroom, poke bombs in the nose and America.

[Days]

Quote: DIVAN SOLDIER

There is no Stalin on the Turks !!!

Suvorov to the Turks not. It is symbolic, by the way, that NATO did this provocation with the help of the Turks today: November 24 is Suvorov’s birthday

[Evil Kind]

Stalin is not at all !!!

[79807420129]

Quote: roskot

There is no Stalin on them. They themselves would fly in 2016 as test subjects.

But the liberals have a complete government led by the prime minister.

[gergi]

Yes, we’re out of luck with the prime minister.

[LVMI1980]

If so smart, why don’t you work in this area

[ava09]

Quote: LVMI1980

If so smart, why don’t you work in this area

Everyone’s task is not to work in the area in which something is bad now, but to work so that everything in their area is good ...

[Sweles]

How much do you need to bring down our planes in order to transfer the second-stage engine to the end of the year 15, as previously planned?

[quote]

Quote: Sveles

How much do you need to bring down our planes in order to transfer the second-stage engine to the end of the year 15, as previously planned?

And if you think soberly? Plan, PLAN, BUT YOU WON'T FLY ON THE "BALANCE"! Well, don't you think designers and manufacturers don't want to go faster? I want to, but there is something to work on thoroughly. ", immediately aim at the" Mercedes "

[Sweles]

Quote: devis

Quote: Sveles

How much do you need to bring down our planes in order to transfer the second-stage engine to the end of the year 15, as previously planned?

And if you think soberly? Plan, PLAN, BUT YOU WON'T FLY ON THE "BALANCE"! Well, don't you think designers and manufacturers don't want to go faster? I want to, but there is something to work on thoroughly. ", immediately aim at the" Mercedes "

It's not about the designers, it's about the customer.

[Homo]

Quote: roskot

There is no Stalin on them. They themselves would fly in 2016 as test subjects.

Another "Goldfish" drew? So what a problem, a couple of tail flicks and the right number of engines in stock! Tongue to grind not to roll bags. AND

[arnulla]

Under Stalin, they would have flown in 2015 already. To Kolyma ...

[GSH-18]

Quote: arnulla

Under Stalin, they would have flown in 2015 already. To Kolyma ...

Only dviglo from this did not appear this very minute.

[clidon]

Under Stalin, even you would have easily been in Kolyma. Or away.

[Salavatsky Ministry of Emergency Situations]

And how to understand this? Is this the same when it will start to release? After 2020 year?
But they will increase the order for the new Su-35 fighters ... Oh, oh, oh, how promising.
They are already stamped without an increased order.

Well, let's then, instead of Almaty, increase the order for T-72 or T-55.

No words, only emotions.

[Themi30]

Is it the same when they start releasing it? After 2020?

Yes, after that, if you were really interested in the topic, and not the sofa bubbling, you would know that the 5th generation engine will be after 2020, so (the second stage demonstrator engine) this is never the finish line. And to draw analogies SU-35 = T-55 ... this emphasizes the level of expert opinion that you do not need to buy SU-35

[Salavatsky Ministry of Emergency Situations]

Quote: TheMi30

This emphasizes expert opinion.

This is not an expert opinion, but an evil irony.
And about the sofa bubnezh ... You really enlighten me sirloy, on the topic of T-50. What is there, but how, even if the rest of the sofas esteem, the mind will be ponaber.

Won already and Romanov schoolchildren began to drive

MOSCOW, 2 February. / Tass /. The United Aircraft Building Corporation (UAC) will begin to deliver the installation batch of the fifth-generation fighter T-50 (PAK FA) in 2016, the UAC press service told TASS.
"The supply of fifth-generation T-50 fighters for the Ministry of Defense is planned to begin in 2016 according to the schedule," the corporation said.
After the announcement, 9 months passed ...

Not the topic, but the topic: One of the military leaders of the Syrian Turkmen said that his people shot both pilots of the Russian Su-24 after they had ejected and parachuted. Reported by Reuters.
Read more: http://www.kommersant.ru/doc/2861241

[Normal ok]

Quote: Salavatsky Ministry of Emergency Situations

Quote: TheMi30

This emphasizes expert opinion.

This is not an expert opinion, but an evil irony.
And about the sofa bubnezh ... You really enlighten me sirloy, on the topic of T-50. What is there, but how, even if the rest of the sofas esteem, the mind will be ponaber.

Won already and Romanov schoolchildren began to drive

MOSCOW, 2 February. / Tass /. The United Aircraft Building Corporation (UAC) will begin to deliver the installation batch of the fifth-generation fighter T-50 (PAK FA) in 2016, the UAC press service told TASS.
"The supply of fifth-generation T-50 fighters for the Ministry of Defense is planned to begin in 2016 according to the schedule," the corporation said.
After the announcement, 9 months passed ...

You do not receive information on TV, but rummage on specialized sites. On TV - as under Brezhnev, they say not what really is, but what citizens need to hear. Like "all is well beautiful marquise".

[Salavatsky Ministry of Emergency Situations]

Quote: Normal ok

Like "all is well beautiful marquise"

Yes, I climbed on specialized sites, that's the whole point.
PAK-FA is still raw. I'm afraid as if the story did not repeat with the F-35, only in our version.

But we like to wishful thinking, mislead people.
This is what infuriates. That's why I swore here, for which I grabbed the minuses.

[mav1971]

Quote: Salavatsky Ministry of Emergency Situations

But we like to wishful thinking, mislead people.
This is what infuriates. That's why I swore here, for which I grabbed the minuses.

Score for minus.
And those who wishful thinking are worthy of getting Claudia's teeth in the teeth.
For projects never succeed in fighting.
Only combat parts.
And the local idiots - the whole site was filled with the superiority of our weapons - which is still in the projects.
And when you tell them about it directly, or indirectly, taking into account the proverbs, the centuries-old experience of the Russian people, they minus you with terrible force.
So you think - who are they?
Whether d-e-b-and-l-s, in pink glasses, unable to even see the pace of production, roofing felts anti-Russian trolls.

[quote]

Quote: Salavatsky Ministry of Emergency Situations

And how to understand this? Is this the same when it will start to release? After 2020 year?
But they will increase the order for the new Su-35 fighters ... Oh, oh, oh, how promising.
They are already stamped without an increased order.

Well, let's then, instead of Almaty, increase the order for T-72 or T-55.

No words, only emotions.

Some Emotions, that would be "thoughts"!

[Salavatsky Ministry of Emergency Situations]

Quote: devis

here are the "thoughts"!

Whence thoughts from such an expert like me. Only emotions.

[clidon]

It was immediately clear that such a project could not be taken with a bang, and this "birdie" would not become really incapable of any time soon ... Just look at the same pioneers F-22 (and F-35) /
In the meantime, the order is not being increased for Su-35 (which 48 + 48 was originally intended to be ordered), but for Su-30SM.

[tomket]

As I recall, the t-50 should have arrived this year ....

[kil 31]

Quote: tomket

As I recall, the t-50 should have arrived this year ....

Yes, under delayed. They promised the following. But the article about the engines of the 2nd generation, with the 2nd no one promised.

[clidon]

"In 2013, the first 10 production vehicles should go to the troops ..."

[Alexander Romanov]

I’m no longer zayid in this subject; I don’t want to read the comments of schoolchildren.

[Same lech]

I’m no longer zayid in this subject; I don’t want to read the comments of schoolchildren.

Sadness ...

[dsi]

Spot, fell in love with the teacher ... ik ...

[Terrible_L.]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

I’m no longer zayid in this subject; I don’t want to read the comments of schoolchildren.

everything, the topic died, commentators were afraid to be considered schoolchildren

[max2215]

Yeah, in the KB, the wizards are sitting, rubbing their fists on the Kuhlmann and voila, dviglo is ready. Lockheed has been fighting for a decade, but of course, the loot is being sawn, but if there was a solution there would be a plane, apparently it's not so simple with the engine ...

[voyaka uh]

"Lockheed has been beating for a decade" ////

Above what? Not exactly over the engine.
They have the most powerful in their class.
"Pratt & Whitney F135"
thrust 190 kN max., 125 kN intermediate.

For comparison, the Su-35:
thrust 142 kN max., 86.3 kN intermediate

It’s just that the Su-35 has two such engines, and the F-35 has only one.

[Oleg14774]

Quote: voyaka uh

They have the most powerful in their class.
"Pratt & Whitney F135"

But the f-35 didn’t really fly, it doesn’t fly. And you can kiss them in z as you want your amers.

[mav1971]

Quote: Oleg147741

Quote: voyaka uh

They have the most powerful in their class.
"Pratt & Whitney F135"

But the f-35 didn’t really fly, it doesn’t fly. And you can kiss them in z as you want your amers.

Stop turning on the fool.
150 planes are already flying.

And nobody licks anything.
The enemy needs to know.
And do not live in pink glasses, your pink glasses just lead to licking shoes, subsequently.

[Days]

What are the silly arguments "stop turning on the fool" and "they fly"?

The T-50 with the engine of the first stage (from the Su-35) also flies remarkably, and the thrust-weight ratio of the AL-31Ф1 is higher. Not to mention that the AL-31F1 has a controlled thrust vector, and that the Su-35 and T-50 have two engines each, which makes the total thrust much higher than your wonderful American engine, which you praise.

[mav1971]

Quote: Dagen

What are the silly arguments "stop turning on the fool" and "they fly"?

The T-50 with the engine of the first stage (from the Su-35) also flies remarkably, and the thrust-weight ratio of the AL-31Ф1 is higher. Not to mention that the AL-31F1 has a controlled thrust vector, and that the Su-35 and T-50 have two engines each, which makes the total thrust much higher than your wonderful American engine, which you praise.

Again.
T-50 is not a combat aircraft.
So far, these are test flying layouts, of which only 6 pieces have been built.
The combat capability is zero.
In combat parts - zero.
While this is still a "poster in the duty room" - okay?
That's when a couple of squadrons will be in service - then we will honestly say that we have the T-50.
Now we have nothing.
Or again you will be measured by projections?
Enough.

How many scammers yelled about the Su-24 and Donald Cook, about the unsurpassed electronic warfare.
But only the words of the rescued navigator were that they received a missile suddenly.
They knew neither about the enemy plane, nor about the launched rocket, until the explosion of the plane.
Where is the EW?
No her.
Projects all this.
Only advertising KRETa rushing and rushing.
And then the stupid souls believe that all our planes are equipped with these means.
And they’re smacking immensely.
But they are not in real life.
They are in a single form of layout in KRET.
And the pilots die.

[Days]

Where did I say something about the T-50? An article about the engine and above we discuss the engine.

Again. Are you seriously comparing aircraft engines in terms of the number of aircraft produced? Added the argument "We still have prototypes" to the arguments "" and "they fly"? Cool. AL-31F1 is also on the Su-35. And it flies great.

[Days]

Quote: voyaka uh

They have the most powerful in their class.

In which place? By dry weight - the most massive?)

[dchegrinec]

I would like to see the T-50 with a 2 generation engine in motion.

[Iline]

Quote: dchegrinec

I would like to see the T-50 with a 2 generation engine in motion.

And I would like to see the T-50 in the final version, and not with this engine. At this pace of engine development, when it is ready, the T-50 itself will no longer need anything - they will begin to stir up something new, again in anticipation of a super - engine duper.
I don’t understand the current system of aircraft development - first, they develop a glider and equipment for the given TTD, and then they start to itch with the question “what should he fly, handsome?”. After all, it is also necessary to try a lot to develop a glider and equipment in time. And the engines, at least in development, should move in parallel. If you don't get ahead.
Maybe I'm wrong, I would like to believe in it. But in recent decades, the industry has either rethought the Soviet stock, or prayed to the west, or nothing works. Autocad to help us.

[Patriot C]

Quote: 79807420129

Quote: roskot

There is no Stalin on them. They themselves would fly in 2016 as test subjects.

But the liberals have a complete government led by the prime minister.

and who appointed this government with his own hands, who changes ministers?

[Wild_grey_wolf]

And most importantly, not owning a complete situation, you understand that you can’t change anything and want to believe in the best and hope that designers, developers and, most importantly, the military know what they are doing. . . The Turks knock down our planes. . . b. . . . b.
The leadership must do everything so that the people by the actions of our government are SATISFIED. . .

[KBR109]

But our press was already full of comparisons of existing machines of the 5th generation with "our magnificent and unparalleled in the world T-50". There really are NO analogs.

[sa-ag]

Quote: KBR109

There really are NO analogs.

What is his craving?

[KBR109]

When will he fly? When will it be delivered to the troops?

[P. Yaroslav]

Not good news. In the current foreign policy conditions, on the contrary, it would be necessary to force, rather than postpone.

[fa2998]

Quote: dchegrinec

I would like to see the T-50 with a 2 generation engine in motion.

All re-equipped! If the first one is at 18, the state tests are up to 20 pre-series and military tests are up to 25, and then serial ones. And this is a good scenario, without transfers and inconsistencies.

[Patriot C]

Quote: sa-ag

Quote: KBR109

There really are NO analogs.

What is his craving?

not yet, because There are no full-time engines.

[IAlex]

New breakfasts have been prepared for cheers ...

[hartlend]

The fifth column is working.

[wk]

Quote: hartlend

The fifth column is working.

Obama is his mother! the culman broke!

[da Vinci]

That's why I don’t like bragging: and here is the best thing ... Do, show, confirm in practice, and then modestly boasted ...

[Abrekkos]

Quote: Stroporez

After all, all experts said that the T-50 aircraft is very good, but still very crude.

Well, you never know what anyone said.
Specialists about new and top secret products are not specifically expressed. Because they go under the form.
For them it’s a crime. They do not say anything, and those who at least somehow stood nearby and could hear something.
Basically, people write about it who absolutely do not know anything and so they pretend to be on the convex blue sea eye.

Almost everything that is written on the Internet is either speculation and largely misinformation, or about junk, which is no secret to anyone.
At least I have not read another.