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General: Russian military can use EW systems for the safety of combat aviation in Syria

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The Russian Defense Ministry may use special-purpose aircraft and EW equipment in Syria to prevent incidents similar to what happened today on the border with Turkey, reports RIA News the words of the former head of the international contractual administration of the Russian military department, Lieutenant General Yevgeny Buzhinsky.




“Regarding how this incident will affect the further course of the operation, I think that our pilots will now be more attentive, and if the Turks continue to behave this way, then Russia will be forced to use means of suppression and electronic warfare and raise special purpose aircraft to protect our pilots from rocket attacks "Said the general.

According to him, “means of objective control will reliably establish how and where the Russian bomber was shot down, eliminating all discrepancies in this matter.”

Recall today in Syria, on the border with Turkey, the Russian Su-24 was shot down. According to the Turkish side, the aircraft "violated the airspace of Turkey and was shot down by F-16 aircraft." In turn, the Russian military claim that the bomber was "over the territory of Syria, which is recorded by objective means of control."
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  1. trenitron
    trenitron 24 November 2015 16: 49
    144
    The Russian military, along with electronic warfare systems, had to use the SU-30 as well, yesterday
    1. sever.56
      sever.56 24 November 2015 16: 52
      94
      "Khibiny", "Mercury", "Levers", "Krasukhi", "Vitebsk", - everything that can be used must be applied ... interfere with driving the demons of ISIS into hell, so that they are blind and deaf both in the air and on the water and begin to write en masse reports on dismissal from their punitive troops !!!
      1. Temples
        Temples 24 November 2015 16: 58
        88
        Here in war, as in war.
        All means are good.
        Turks are fighting with us.
        It cannot be called otherwise.
        If it IS CONSCIOUSNESS that they are shooting down our plane, then this is an act of military operations against us.
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        2. Canep
          Canep 24 November 2015 17: 30
          38
          Why haven't EW been used before?
          1. aba
            aba 24 November 2015 17: 47
            23
            Why haven't EW been used before?

            That is the question! Well, as always with us: until the thunder strikes ...
            But couldn’t it be even a step ahead ?!
            1. Constructor1
              Constructor1 24 November 2015 18: 06
              +4
              General: Russian military can use EW systems for the safety of combat aviation in Syria


              Well, that’s it! Now the Turks will not be able to fly)))
          2. demo
            demo 24 November 2015 17: 53
            +5
            Well, why doesn’t we get baptized yet until the thunder breaks out?
            Everything is done in advance!
            Why not cover Syria and half of Turkey so that even mosquitoes do not know where to fly?
          3. meriem1
            meriem1 24 November 2015 18: 07
            30
            Quote: Canep
            Why haven't EW been used before?


            RESPONSE TO SURFACE. ONLY a CRAZY event could have occurred to you! An agreement has been signed with America, and the Turks are in a coalition with them. Everything goes to a mess. And if we drive out, it will only get worse! It is necessary to drop NATO aircraft when crossing the Syrian border!
          4. igor.borov775
            igor.borov775 24 November 2015 22: 17
            +3
            Lord !! After all, there was an agreement with the Turks when the first time there were inconsistencies. No one expected meanness. It came meanly because she is a member of that big body that worked under the leadership of the United States but we know that Turkey and probably BP are trading with might and main.
            1. Alexander_
              Alexander_ 25 November 2015 00: 18
              +4
              What do you mean "did not expect meanness", small children, or something. `This is not serious`, did not expect ..
          5. mervino2007
            mervino2007 24 November 2015 23: 11
            +1
            Quote: Canep
            Why haven't EW been used before?

            Good question. So maybe this electronic warfare is simply not effective? But even better is the question of why there was no SU-30 to cover the bombers? Moreover, the Turks warned. Big shoulder straps did not rise to understanding the real danger? And related decisions? Yes, and with the protection of our aircraft from air-to-air missiles is not clear. They said that there are already systems that divert the rocket to the side, due to the creation of a false place in the target’s brain in the rocket? So are such systems in operation? Or just talking?
          6. perm23
            perm23 25 November 2015 06: 25
            0
            But why . And if they are as good as they write. It must be applied.
        3. Naum
          Naum 24 November 2015 18: 00
          15
          We are breaking SUCH business for them! At the cheap purchase of ISIL oil. Well this must be understood - billions of greenery are leaving the clutches of nosed hucksters! Everything was SO fine-tuned! .. Behind the Turkish fez they sharpen their star-striped ears. It was they, the mattress makers, who gave the go-ahead for the provocation. The Turks themselves would not dare. I would venture to suggest that our answer will be asymmetric. We will take revenge by stopping the trade in their clothes, reducing tourism to zero. Well, we will shoot down their "aces" in the sky of Syria, we will close the border with it from the air. A lot of things you can think of interesting.
      2. Anton56
        Anton56 24 November 2015 17: 09
        +3
        I ask you to correct me if I'm mistaken, but the sidewinder is a rocket with a thermal guidance system, if you believe the official version with F-16. I wonder if our aircraft are equipped with countermeasures like heat traps?
        1. Canep
          Canep 24 November 2015 17: 29
          +2
          I think the pilots did not even see where they were shooting, they simply complied with the order with a long-range missile.
        2. Iline
          Iline 24 November 2015 18: 01
          14
          Quote: Anton56
          I wonder if our planes are equipped with countermeasures like heat traps

          Just with heat traps (LTC) on airplanes and helicopters there are no problems. But with the electronic warfare systems, not everything is so simple. Yes, and the latest generation AIM-9 SIDEWINDER is hard enough to fool with these traps.
          An unambiguous conclusion suggests itself here - to suppress everything to exclude even the possibility of launching missiles without bringing to peritonitis.
          On the other hand, you can understand the pilots - near the border they were clearly irradiated by both ground and aircraft locators. But we are not at war with Turkey, and it seems that there is no need to counteract these means.
          But in connection with the latest incident, everything began to be not so unambiguously perceived, so they began to fuss with EW complexes. Although the air defense system was put there just in case, just in case, they could put the curtain along the border in the same case.
          1. nimboris
            nimboris 25 November 2015 03: 40
            0
            There is also a medium range AMRAAM
        3. pilot8878
          pilot8878 24 November 2015 18: 30
          +1
          The operation of aircraft in the war zone without LTC is nonsense. Why didn't open source software work? Question. Who flew 24? Can you tell me if in the order of personal speculation, and not disclosure.
          1. V.ic
            V.ic 24 November 2015 18: 59
            +3
            Quote: pilot8878
            Why didn't open source software work?

            What are you saying? Surely both the "beep" and the LED of the corresponding sector was shining ... Yes, only the "roaring cow" of the Su-24 is not a Su-34 or a MiG-29, so that to be in time dodge missiles fired.
            1. pilot8878
              pilot8878 24 November 2015 23: 48
              0
              Quote: V.ic
              The Su-24 is not Su-34 or MiG-29 for you to manage to evade the missile launched.

              Yes, to blame, did not think. Thank.
        4. igor.borov775
          igor.borov775 24 November 2015 22: 21
          +1
          Really it is not clear to our pilots they were their own. Hit close nobody expected this
      3. Black Colonel
        Black Colonel 24 November 2015 17: 10
        -2
        and started mass writing
        I first read write...
      4. kill the fascist
        kill the fascist 24 November 2015 17: 25
        +3
        there is a French aircraft carrier, whom our commander-in-chief has defined as "allies" and who are actively planning to fly there, how to blind everyone under these conditions?
        1. PQ-18
          PQ-18 24 November 2015 17: 36
          23
          there is a French aircraft carrier ..

          Yes, not Ker to him there at the Russian "underfoot to get confused"!
          well, we have done 20-30 "victorious" PR sorties, let them now sail to Parish for medals ...
          Hollande dealt a fatal blow to ISIS right in the ... tailbone! laughing
        2. Archon
          Archon 24 November 2015 17: 42
          +1
          it will be the French already think.
        3. pilot8878
          pilot8878 24 November 2015 18: 33
          +3
          Quote: Kill the fascist
          French aircraft carrier, whom our commander-in-chief has defined as "allies" and who are actively planning to fly there, how to blind everyone in these conditions?

          Let them fly on the map and compass.
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        1. Victor Demchenko
          Victor Demchenko 24 November 2015 17: 28
          +1
          very simple: silently!
      6. PQ-18
        PQ-18 24 November 2015 17: 32
        +4
        . So that not one confused NATO could not fly over Syria

        for this you need to use S-300 \ 400!
        it will be more profitable ..
      7. hydrox
        hydrox 24 November 2015 17: 33
        18
        Quote: sever.56
        everything that can be applied must be applied.


        This incident was to be expected, it could not "not happen" - and it did!
        Now we have a free hand in establishing a "no-fly zone" regime for everyone who did not want to cooperate with Russia and get "allies" permission to fly, this also applies to the French.
        1. mark2
          mark2 24 November 2015 18: 53
          0
          It will be weak. How to drink will give weak
      8. Alekseev
        Alekseev 24 November 2015 18: 03
        24
        Quote: sever.56
        "Khibiny", "Mercury", "Levers", "Krasukhi", "Vitebsk", - everything that can be used,

        This is not enough ... EW funds will not help against all threats.
        Dry fighter shot down, most likely, from a short distance missile with infrared seeker.
        What to do, what to do?
        Too close to the Turkish border does not fly.
        Required mixed with g ... Turkish friends in the border region with long-range missile launches and high-altitude bombing.
        To organize a fighter cover. Expand S-300 class air defense systems to keep the sky at gunpoint even at Turkish air bases. Shoot down Turkish planes while trying to cross the border mercilessly.
        Throw modern firewood to the Kurds.
        Recall the ambassador, stop tourism, freeze economic projects beneficial to the Turks.
        Show the Turks through the media as sponsors of terrorism and organizers of the flow of migrants to Europe.
        Here, perhaps, you won’t do more yet.
        1. jaroff
          jaroff 24 November 2015 18: 59
          +2
          Well, and "punish" (eliminate) the pilot who launched the rocket and the one who gave the command to use the weapon. Of course, we can say that the pilot only fulfilled the order, but in war it is like in war.
        2. Pajamas
          Pajamas 24 November 2015 22: 08
          +2
          and as a result, to lose the passage through the Bosphorus and stop the operation in Syria, no, you need to think about it.
        3. Weyland
          Weyland 25 November 2015 00: 48
          0
          Quote: Alekseev
          Be sure to mix with g ... Turkish friends in the border area


          And first of all, the Turkoman so beloved by them - especially if they killed our pilots am
      9. saturn.mmm
        saturn.mmm 24 November 2015 18: 17
        0
        Quote: sever.56
        "Khibiny", "Mercury", "Levers", "Krassukhi", "Vitebsk" - everything that can be used must be applied ...

        First of all, the brain must be used, a bomber must be sent to the borders of Turkey to bombard the Turkmens, when before that the Turks filed a complaint with the UN, we still have to think of it.
        The general is burning! And what about EW in Syria yet?
      10. GSH-18
        GSH-18 24 November 2015 19: 08
        +1
        General: Russian military can use EW systems for the safety of combat aviation in Syria

        It will be difficult to do. In the sky of Syria is our aviation.
      11. KVS
        KVS 24 November 2015 22: 04
        0
        just urgently need to iron the entire border of Syria with Turkey ...
        and accidentally go deep a couple of hundred kilometers
    2. Metallurgist
      Metallurgist 24 November 2015 16: 53
      44
      I believe that if a gas pipeline takes off in Turkey, or what kind of refinery, we will be completely out of business here.
      And Putin’s statement that Turkey is an accomplice to terrorists is heh ... you can recognize the Armenian genocide and the Turks in general close the way to Europe.
      And we will have enough forces to bomb the Turks into feudalism.
      1. figwam
        figwam 24 November 2015 17: 03
        15
        The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation may use special-purpose aircraft and electronic warfare equipment in Syria in order to prevent incidents like the one that happened today on the border with Turkey,

        And it's all? Erdogan wiped his feet about us.
        1. Vladimirets
          Vladimirets 24 November 2015 17: 12
          +6
          Quote: figvam
          And it's all?

          In words, yes. yes
          1. Yuyuka
            Yuyuka 24 November 2015 17: 56
            +3
            In words, yes.

            Putin is a vengeful comrade, I remember a film about him at the very beginning of his presidential life, as he talked about his Master - he advised always to remember the rear repeatIn this we all support him! It will not seem to them a little, good does not immediately defeat evil ... In this evil is always more insidious and stronger - to quickly make muck. But! - good always wins! And these Turkish creatures will still regret it, do not anger the Russian bear ... in vain are they ...
          2. mark2
            mark2 24 November 2015 18: 50
            0
            In words, yes
            \

            "Blessed is he who believes" (C)

            Well, I do not believe that the answer will be somehow adequate there. Well, GDP does not seem to me to be such a hot guy like Peter 1. He does not dare to take similar actions in Syria. Shoot down a Turkish plane, even under the legend of the Syrian air defense - the gut is thin. Everything will come to naught. You will see. We will all see it soon. Put EW? This had to be done from the very beginning. For some reason they didn’t. As a result, they lost the plane, and the media already ring that one, at least, of the pilots.
            About Russia they will once again wipe their feet and pay, if they pay, with several millions of candy wrappers. And smack. How to give a drink in the morning. And what remains to be done if the propaganda of our desires does not correspond to our capabilities?
            In this case, you know what will be especially offensive? What were right were those who talk about the gray lapotniks!
            1. Yuyuka
              Yuyuka 24 November 2015 22: 05
              0
              Well, I do not believe that the answer will be somehow adequate there. Well, GDP does not seem to me to be such a hot guy like Peter 1. He does not dare to take similar actions in Syria.

              For so many years, in my opinion, you can draw some conclusions about Putin - he does not throw words to the wind, the answer will be asymmetric ... as soon as the pilots - dead or alive, are taken away, they will give a fuck about the border area with Turkey. And still everything should happen "independently" of us in Turkey - discontent of the masses, accidents at construction sites (c) repeat
            2. igor.borov775
              igor.borov775 24 November 2015 22: 29
              0
              The Ministry of Defense reported the death of one marine about the downed MI-8 and the death of one pilot, he was shot in the air. The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation announced the appearance of someone else's aircraft in the zone of responsibility without agreement will be considered an adversary. GRK Moscow will take a position to close this area to strangers. This is more than serious any air Turks and there they will have to be on foot at home if they survive.
        2. Andrey NM
          Andrey NM 24 November 2015 17: 34
          14
          There is one huge problem - the Turks control the Bosphorus. If they block the passage of our ships, then we will have to fold in Syria, you won't run around Europe a lot. This problem has been hanging for centuries. I always think that we have such a huge country, and the exits to the sea lie through the narrows, which are controlled by all sorts of stinking "friends". Somehow unfair ...
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 24 November 2015 17: 40
            11
            If they block the passage of our ships
            ---------
            it will mean a declaration of war
            1. SAN31
              SAN31 24 November 2015 21: 45
              0
              And this will already be a direct declaration of war - they will not block it. Moreover, according to the results of the first world?
          2. Archon
            Archon 24 November 2015 17: 44
            +4
            It is necessary again to beat the gates of Constantinople-Constantinople-Istanbul.
          3. Terner38
            Terner38 24 November 2015 17: 53
            +8
            So can the Bosphorus expand slightly?
        3. sgazeev
          sgazeev 24 November 2015 17: 58
          +2
          Quote: figvam
          The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation may use special-purpose aircraft and electronic warfare equipment in Syria in order to prevent incidents like the one that happened today on the border with Turkey,

          And it's all? Erdogan wiped his feet about us.

          During the week they wanted to throw eggs at the Russian embassy, ​​but their geography was tight, it hit the Dutch. For centuries they fought with us, their enemies for us in life. NATO will not help them who will fight for the scumbags. If, honestly, it scratched my heart that losses are inevitable. what
        4. goblin xnumx
          goblin xnumx 24 November 2015 18: 05
          -5
          well, yes, this is an "incident" nothing special, we would not have been told anything (decree on classifying losses in peacetime) - but - there are many witnesses - and if they continue to shoot down ours, they would be scared with slaves - well, but slaves would not help - just threaten and express concern
        5. Rrrj
          Rrrj 24 November 2015 18: 05
          0
          Quote: figvam
          The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation may use special-purpose aircraft and electronic warfare equipment in Syria in order to prevent incidents like the one that happened today on the border with Turkey,
          And it's all? Erdogan wiped his feet about us.

          Why so? Only in the last article I was bombarded - and here the pluses go - although I have the same opinion - hmm - is it strange right?
      2. Samy
        Samy 24 November 2015 17: 41
        +1
        Will not be enough. Turks block the strait and the group in Syria is left without supplies. Gibraltar is controlled by the British. Through Suez with the Far East, do the Syrian express? A couple dozen aircraft in Syria against Turkey - nothing. The Turkish fleet is many times superior to the Black Sea Fleet.
        1. sgazeev
          sgazeev 24 November 2015 18: 02
          +3
          Quote: Samy
          Will not be enough. Turks block the strait and the group in Syria is left without supplies. Gibraltar is controlled by the British. Through Suez with the Far East, do the Syrian express? A couple dozen aircraft in Syria against Turkey - nothing. The Turkish fleet is many times superior to the Black Sea Fleet.

          Under Ushakov, the same thing happened. Fedor Fedorovich pulled the Turkish fleet and allied instructors.
        2. interceptor58
          interceptor58 24 November 2015 18: 06
          +1
          You bent about the Turkish fleet. Sevastopol and Novorossiysk also mean something. And in the Black Sea more Americans roam than the Turks.
        3. Andru
          Andru 24 November 2015 18: 07
          0
          Turkey is calmly covered by the same calibers from the Caspian Sea + from the Black Sea and long-range aviation. Also, the entire Black Sea is shot straight from our coast, and the Turkish fleet will not stick its nose in this case. About nuclear weapons so generally modestly keep silent. So do not escalate .. But the straits and supply of our group is a problem. Only through Iran and Iraq by aviation.
          1. Pilat2009
            Pilat2009 24 November 2015 18: 17
            +1
            Quote: Andru
            Turkey is calmly covered by the same calibers from the Caspian Sea + from the Black Sea and long-range aviation.

            This is all true, but the Turks also have rockets + with them NATO
            1. perm23
              perm23 25 November 2015 06: 36
              0
              And so, now. Hiding like a mouse and mink curses. It makes no difference if we hide, they will beat us later, and if we do not hide too.
        4. goblin xnumx
          goblin xnumx 24 November 2015 18: 07
          +1
          guys essentially in a mousetrap
        5. Pilat2009
          Pilat2009 24 November 2015 18: 15
          0
          Quote: Samy
          A couple dozen aircraft in Syria against Turkey - nothing.

          So you need to do good air defense, put several divisions with-300, Torah
        6. Rostislav
          Rostislav 24 November 2015 18: 29
          +1
          And how does the Turkish fleet relate to anti-ship missiles based in Crimea?
      3. Boatsman_Palych
        Boatsman_Palych 24 November 2015 17: 43
        +1
        Judging by the statements of the president and generals, there is not enough determination. The interests of oligarch friends are more expensive.
        1. Tu-214R
          Tu-214R 24 November 2015 18: 28
          +5
          Yes, nothing can be done now because of the thousands of Russian citizens in Turkey. Then a cold head is needed so that the business doesn’t mess up.
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        3. Sheikh
          Sheikh 24 November 2015 23: 03
          +2
          Quote: Boatswain_Palych
          Judging by the statements of the president and generals, there is not enough determination. The interests of oligarch friends are more expensive.


          it looks like you are an angel of death.
          when did you join the group of the world apocalypse?
          Did you read the bible?
      4. bif
        bif 24 November 2015 18: 07
        +1
        Quote: Metallurg
        And Putin’s statement that Turkey is an accomplice to terrorists

        With these words, introduce a no-fly zone over both Syria and Turkey. And everything that takes off without permission to shoot down as a "potential" threat.
      5. Banshee
        Banshee 24 November 2015 18: 35
        +2
        Quote: Metallurg
        can and recognize the Armenian genocide


        And Putin, and so recognized. Erdogan a week later korezhilo.
        1. atalef
          atalef 24 November 2015 19: 55
          +5
          Quote: Banshee
          Quote: Metallurg
          can and recognize the Armenian genocide


          And Putin, and so recognized. Erdogan a week later korezhilo.

          Hello rum
          You understand that such incidents do not happen just like that.
          We need to sit and think - why Turkey decided to raise the stakes in the game so much.
          It seems that I did not say that something portended such a sharp escalation of 9 well, except for declaring Qatar and Saudi Arabia, yesterday about continuing support for the SSA)
          It is necessary to read what is happening inside Turkey (after the election) - maybe you understand how many jumps from anger in Russia now, the same jump in joy now in Turkey, claiming that Erdogan has such eggs.
          Not just, you have to move to the root causes
      6. perm23
        perm23 25 November 2015 06: 30
        0
        Recognize the Armenian Genocide and do it at all levels. Beat freaks on sore spots. And of course the Kurdish country, help with weapons.
    3. Quager
      Quager 24 November 2015 16: 55
      27
      We relaxed - all around the same partners ...
      1. DIVAN SOLDIER
        DIVAN SOLDIER 24 November 2015 16: 59
        +4
        And what the boobies did not apply before, soon NATO will be shooting down strategists, and we will have to say that this is a sad case.
      2. kit-kat
        kit-kat 24 November 2015 17: 06
        +9
        Well, so all the same, that friends, let's knead the broads together. But it turned out not all friends (surprise, right?). Not taken into account, made a mistake. What is there to bustle about? And now to suppress the hell with the dog all the borderlands.
      3. Misha Honest
        Misha Honest 24 November 2015 17: 10
        20
        It would be necessary not only to transfer electronic warfare to Syria, but also the larger S-300. am
        1. staryivoin
          staryivoin 24 November 2015 17: 23
          +1
          And why not C-400 or something newer?
          1. Andrey NM
            Andrey NM 24 November 2015 17: 51
            +2
            The news appeared that something like the S-400 had turned on. Maybe it's a ship system? And information slipped through that in the area of ​​the fall of SU-24 one of the two helicopters of the rescue group was shot down.
            1. Andrey NM
              Andrey NM 24 November 2015 19: 14
              +1
              Here is one of the links on the S-400: http://tehnowar.ru/29579-v-sirii-vklyuchilsya-s-400.html

              And here is one of the links about the helicopter: http://rrnews.ru/articles/u10545/2015/11/24/127356
      4. varov14
        varov14 24 November 2015 17: 26
        +3
        Business forces the authorities to look at the world through rose-colored glasses and put on, if necessary, black ones, which they did not notice anyhow.
      5. Alexander_
        Alexander_ 25 November 2015 00: 56
        0
        That's right, you can constantly hear here and there, "partners", although they are almost all enemies.
    4. Tor5
      Tor5 24 November 2015 17: 00
      20
      From open sources it is known that the SU-24 flew at an altitude of 6000m at a speed of 2220 km / h, or 0,62 km / s. Consequently, the 1 (!) Km in which he was, according to the President from the border with Turkey, is one and a half seconds of flight time. Not special in this, but I'm not sure that somehow it will be possible to accurately determine the place in which our plane suffered death. I can throw minuses, but I can’t help but ask the command, what was the need to send the plane literally to the razor’s edge, risking the lives of our guys? Moreover, it was clear that the Turks were just waiting to avenge the bombed oil carriers in which they delivered cheaply Igilov oil?
      1. Fregate
        Fregate 24 November 2015 17: 20
        +9
        Quote: Tor5
        flew at an altitude of 6000m at a speed of 2220 km / h, or 0,62 km / s.

        Something you bent. Even the Su-34 accelerates a maximum of 1900 km / h, and the Su-24 - 1600 km / h. And something I doubt that he flew even at this maximum.
        1. Temples
          Temples 24 November 2015 17: 26
          +6
          I can throw minuses, but I can’t help but ask the command, what was the need to send the plane literally to the razor’s edge, risking the lives of our guys?

          Top5 I think GDP understands that some will ask a similar question and answered it:
          Vladimir Putin:
          In any case, our plane, our pilots did not threaten the Turkish Republic. They carried out an antiterrorist operation against ISIS militants.
          1. Pilat2009
            Pilat2009 24 November 2015 18: 49
            0
            Quote: Temples
            Top5 I think GDP understands that some will ask a similar question and answered it:
            Vladimir Putin:
            In any case, our plane, our pilots did not threaten the Turkish Republic. They carried out an antiterrorist operation against ISIS militants.

            You somehow forget that this incident is not the first, there was already a drone shot down in Turkey, and flying planes, and Turks threatened to bring down the flown.
            Tor5 correctly says that one kilometer is nothing, especially since missiles also need time to fly.
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        4. Tor5
          Tor5 24 November 2015 20: 20
          0
          Fregate
          You are right, I apologize, I used an unverified source. This is not about one and a half, but about two minutes.
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      2. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 24 November 2015 17: 22
        0
        Quote: Tor5
        What was the need to send the plane literally to the razor's edge, risking the lives of our guys?

        The need is, apparently, hot spots along the Turkish border. FABs are free-falling bombs, now the Kyrgyz Republic will need to handle such places.
      3. Benya krik
        Benya krik 24 November 2015 17: 32
        14
        Quote: Tor5
        I can throw minuses, but I can’t help but ask the command, what was the need to send the plane literally to the razor’s edge, risking the lives of our guys?

        I don’t understand - why is everyone so afraid of these disadvantages? For the sake of pursuit under the avatar? To me personally, this tic-tac-toe game is a damn. If you think that you are right, then you need to defend your opinion, and not flirt with the rest of the participants in the dialogue for the sake of pluses. As for me, your comment is absolutely adequate.
      4. Vecheslavvl
        Vecheslavvl 24 November 2015 17: 32
        +3
        The maximum speed of Su 24 1700 km / h, 500 m / s. Judging by the report of the Turks, the distance to the fighters was about 20 km, and the trajectory was perpendicular to the drying. The bomber crew either did not have time to do something, or could not.
        1. Lone wolf
          Lone wolf 24 November 2015 19: 32
          +1
          Quote: VecheslavVL
          The maximum speed of Su 24 1700 km / h, 500 m / s. Judging by the report of the Turks, the distance to the fighters was about 20 km, and the trajectory was perpendicular to the drying. The bomber crew either did not have time to do something, or could not.
          The crew simply did not expect ... resort conditions ,,,, neither air defense, nor electronic warfare, nor enemy aircraft ... .. bombs .... let them .... no resistance .. but here it’s almost point blank ,,,, and from those whom they trusted ,,,, they were simply at a loss. did not expect .. you can understand ....
      5. varov14
        varov14 24 November 2015 17: 37
        11
        This is the high politics of half-educated "professionals", the system of Russian reality. I try not to read clever articles, especially on economics, it becomes bad, there is a desire to stand up under any banners, black, green, red, but I slap myself on the forehead: "Vasya, don't drive a fool, the usual class contradiction, nobody canceled Marxism-Leninism, jackals are still on horseback "
      6. ancient
        ancient 24 November 2015 17: 54
        +5
        Quote: Tor5
        at the speed of 2220 km / h


        Why not with the "first space" or howling on .. "WAP" mode wassat
      7. maiman61
        maiman61 24 November 2015 18: 22
        +6
        This is Stopudovo’s mistake of command, to send a single bomber, without EW, without fighter cover to the borders of ENEMIES!
        1. Alexander_
          Alexander_ 25 November 2015 01: 05
          0
          "Error" is an imprecise word.
      8. V.ic
        V.ic 24 November 2015 19: 05
        +1
        Quote: Tor5
        what was the need to send the plane literally to the razor’s edge, risking the lives of our guys?

        By your logic, it was not a fig to get into Syria: "risking the lives of our guys".
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    6. KOH
      KOH 24 November 2015 17: 00
      13
      So this is really a stab in the back, who thought that the Turks would openly support the Iblis, although they should believe in the Turks, do not respect themselves ...
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      2. varov14
        varov14 24 November 2015 17: 42
        +2
        Eka, as we all forgot about the gas pipeline, it’s worth going back a bit, how many patriotic pathos, brothers.
      3. goblin xnumx
        goblin xnumx 24 November 2015 18: 10
        0
        what is "great Turan" do you know? - and then pisaliyatsiya- friend Erdogan often visits China- and China friend- others are still friends- will show themselves more
    7. Altona
      Altona 24 November 2015 17: 01
      10
      Quote: trenitron
      The Russian military, along with electronic warfare systems, had to use the SU-30 as well, yesterday

      ---------------------------
      You can also use cruise missiles at the Inzhirlik airfield, for sure this is the base airfield for the attacking F-16 aircraft ... Democratic countries respond in this way and do not even bother ...
      1. varov14
        varov14 24 November 2015 17: 45
        +1
        Not on the airfield, but on the training bases in Turkey, it will be legal, if only documented to prove.
      2. Pilat2009
        Pilat2009 24 November 2015 20: 55
        0
        Quote: Altona
        You can also use cruise missiles at the Inzhirlik airfield

        Begins ... You want to unleash the third world for one plane?
        What did Putin say there? "She drowned ...?"
    8. Skif83
      Skif83 24 November 2015 17: 08
      +7
      Duck and the economy needed to be raised yesterday, while petrodollars flowed.
      And the army had to be raised and armed twenty years earlier.
      And in the foreign policy arena it was necessary to put oneself "yesterday", and not when a roasted cock bites.

      These are all the results of the Gorbachev-Elin era, and the current government is not much better. And while they are in power, we will need a lot yesterday, unfortunately!
    9. 79807420129
      79807420129 24 November 2015 17: 10
      +9
      A long time ago, this must be done, again maybe Russian? This is a war, after all, and not games in the sandbox.
      1. goblin xnumx
        goblin xnumx 24 November 2015 18: 16
        +1
        recently read comments, I hope not the commander from high circles, sorry that I copied a lot- Lapkonium (1) November 22, 2015 05:59
        The article was clearly written last week. And there was one more blow with the calibers of the Caspian Flotilla. And supposedly from Varshavyanka in the appendage. Plus several sorties of the Tu-95MS strategists with the Kh-55, Tu-160 with the Kh-101 - a total of 106 missiles since the beginning of the operation. Tu-22M3 with OFABs ... All this contradicts several points in the article at once. But no one said that from the list "long-range aircraft - artillery - aircraft carrier" you cannot choose more than one option. wink

        And as for the limitations in efficiency - yes, of course, the 'former' aircraft carrier "Nimitsu" is not a competitor. But on the other hand, would he endlessly wander the northern seas without a clear goal? The money has long been invested - let it work, maybe the supply will arrive in time, but the pilots and commanders will gain experience. "- Maybe everywhere.
        Kuzyu in a mousetrap then why?
    10. Baloo
      Baloo 24 November 2015 17: 15
      +9
      They can apply ... Why they didn’t apply, why the plane flew without a partner’s cover. Why weren't immediate measures taken to save the crew?
      No words, one thing ...
    11. varov14
      varov14 24 November 2015 17: 16
      +4
      For the future, it is necessary to create a weapon so that upon a meeting our plane could disable all the electronics of the counter "partner" and he became uncontrollable and without communication, disappeared and seemed not to exist.
    12. Rrrj
      Rrrj 24 November 2015 17: 29
      +6
      "and if the Turks continue to behave this way, then Russia will be forced to use means of suppression and electronic warfare and raise special-purpose aircraft to protect our pilots from missile attacks."
      This is a tough answer - oooh - Erdogan is already sitting in the bunker under the table.
    13. Sotnik77s
      Sotnik77s 24 November 2015 17: 35
      +2
      By the way, why was there no escort of fighters and even now, the actions of this huge choice of electronic warfare equipment today?
    14. vyinemeynen
      vyinemeynen 24 November 2015 17: 47
      +2
      From the beginning, block the oil and tourists, bomb the oil tankers (they also cost a lot of money).
      Cover our fighters with the border with the Turks. Lose the Cornet wagon in Kurdistan.
    15. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 24 November 2015 18: 09
      0
      Quote: trenitron
      The Russian military, along with electronic warfare systems, had to use the SU-30 as well, yesterday

      Maybe it was necessary to stay away from the border after the drone incident? As with us, everything was through the train. This is not the first incident that brought the previous ones.
      And how interesting are you going to use the Su-30, did the Turks shoot from their territory?
    16. max702
      max702 24 November 2015 18: 20
      +6
      Judging by the reaction, it seems that this incident will be released on the brakes .. I’ll pay attention to how accurately the object who committed the provocation was selected .. TURKEY .. Ideal! And the question is, how do we respond? Turks at any moment close the straits and our group in Syria is everything .. You cannot deliver everything you need with airplanes. and consequently there will NOT be tough measures against the Turks! And it doesn’t matter if our plane violated the border or not. I think that they will press economically although there are big doubts because there are sickly sums. Tourism is most likely to be banned because hostages and terrorist attacks once or twice, no matter how cynical it sounds, Crimea and Sochi need to be paid back. That’s an occasion to make rest (carry money) at home. in principle, this is not bad, especially if they can put things in order with pricing (well, it’s very doubtful). A military response is not even considered .. Alas .. The maximum is electronic warfare and escort of bombers by fighters. there’s nothing to stutter about any no-fly zone ..
      1. V.ic
        V.ic 24 November 2015 19: 10
        0
        Quote: max702
        The maximum is electronic warfare and escort of bombers by fighters.

        Which was not. It was necessary to put pressure on those frequencies at which the urki worked. By the way, do we have a single A-50 left in service?
      2. Pajamas
        Pajamas 24 November 2015 22: 04
        +2
        Your fears are very logical, but judging by the operations in Ukraine and Syria, our General Staff is not wise, I think they will find how to respond to the Turks, they will catch the Turkish special forces in Syria and cover them with a copper basin, and the fact that he goes there is a fact.
    17. YARUSSIAN39
      YARUSSIAN39 24 November 2015 18: 22
      0
      Namely, if there are such opportunities, then why was this not done? and SU-30 there just to cover our planes, the next time the Turks must be shot down immediately
    18. Kent0001
      Kent0001 24 November 2015 18: 58
      0
      I fully support. It was necessary to think earlier.
    19. Pajamas
      Pajamas 24 November 2015 21: 53
      +1
      Quote: trenitron
      The Russian military, along with electronic warfare systems, had to use the SU-30 as well, yesterday

      Of course, for each bombardment 1/6 of the fighter, you’re a strategist, you can probably cover 24 bombers with four SU30s, and you know the tactics of fighter aircraft they always go out on a mission like 1 submarines, well, I explain to you, we’ll better visit everyone You are not the chief in the General Staff.
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    21. mitrich
      mitrich 24 November 2015 22: 36
      +1
      It is always like this with us, according to the principle: "until the thunder breaks out ...". It is clear that it is difficult to defend against such a podlyany, but everything has not been done, to the maximum. If there are such electronic warfare systems that would protect our pilots to the maximum, they must be used everywhere and always. And the fighters, where are they? There are only four of them, few.
  2. Leeder
    Leeder 24 November 2015 16: 49
    +5
    Long overdue!
  3. Same lech
    Same lech 24 November 2015 16: 50
    27
    General: Russian military can use EW systems for the safety of combat aviation in Syria


    What kind of children's speeches ... they cannot and must ... the life of our pilots is at stake ... all security measures must be taken.
    1. atalef
      atalef 24 November 2015 16: 57
      +4
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      former chief of the international treaty department of the Russian military department, Lieutenant General Evgeny Buzhinsky

      the answer is clear
      former chief of the international treaty department of the Russian military department, Lieutenant General Evgeny Buzhinsky

      retired general, as I understand it
      1. Throw
        Throw 24 November 2015 17: 04
        +4
        A generals so far in .. does not bite.
        How many advertisements for electronic warfare were, and x .. sense!
        At first, they seemed to use them, NATO complained about the "bubbles" with interference, and now they relaxed ml ... t ..

        Here's a helicopter: http://www.rbc.ru/politics/24/11/2015/565462389a7947dce6fba650

        It seems that the NATO forces have concentrated their forces and gave the go-ahead for counteraction.
    2. atalef
      atalef 24 November 2015 16: 57
      -5
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      former chief of the international treaty department of the Russian military department, Lieutenant General Evgeny Buzhinsky

      the answer is clear
      former chief of the international treaty department of the Russian military department, Lieutenant General Evgeny Buzhinsky

      retired general, as I understand it
      1. Same lech
        Same lech 24 November 2015 17: 05
        +5
        retired general, as I understand it


        With such speeches, he should be retired ...

        I hope Israeli planes will not test their fate in Syria now am
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        2. atalef
          atalef 24 November 2015 17: 10
          -16 qualifying.
          Quote: The same LYOKHA
          with such speeches he should be retired ...

          general contract management of the Ministry of Defense - he is apparently from the same cohort of URIABLE ... and more REEEEEEEEEEB

          Quote: The same LYOKHA
          I hope Israeli planes will not test their fate in Syria now

          and what will hinder us?
          1. Victor Demchenko
            Victor Demchenko 24 November 2015 17: 33
            +6
            S-300, well, or S-400, as you like. and the joke itself will be if it is fried as soon as it enters Syria’s airspace 100 meters away. will you like it?
            I think not really.
            1. atalef
              atalef 24 November 2015 17: 45
              -13 qualifying.
              Quote: Viktor Demchenko
              S-300, well, or S-400, as you like. and the joke itself will be if it is fried as soon as it enters Syria’s airspace 100 meters away. will you like it? i think not really.

              This is if they fry and get.
              Until the last time we bombed in Syria - sort of like yesterday morning (or today) - we need to look for a message.
              1. igorka357
                igorka357 24 November 2015 18: 39
                0
                It seems that while we are not like the Turks, what would the Israeli sons hard land from under the silence !!!
            2. atalef
              atalef 24 November 2015 17: 45
              -5
              Quote: Viktor Demchenko
              S-300, well, or S-400, as you like. and the joke itself will be if it is fried as soon as it enters Syria’s airspace 100 meters away. will you like it? i think not really.

              This is if they fry and get.
              Until the last time we bombed in Syria - sort of like yesterday morning (or today) - we need to look for a message.
              1. Good me
                Good me 24 November 2015 20: 55
                +1
                Quote: atalef
                This is if they fry and get.
                Until the last time we bombed in Syria - sort of like yesterday morning (or today) - we need to look for a message.

                Alexander, but you were ALLOWED TO ENTER, without even trying to "fry" you ... Why these comments? Sometimes I can't understand you request .
            3. Pilat2009
              Pilat2009 24 November 2015 18: 57
              0
              Quote: Viktor Demchenko
              if they fry as soon as 100 meters enter Syrian airspace. will you like it?

              With all due respect, it is unlikely to succeed — count the missile’s flight speed and the distance to the border. Yes, and for this it’s not necessary to enter Syrian airspace, you can also gasp from Israel. The lesson is, although the enemy does not yet have air defense systems, rest it’s not on laurels, otherwise it will be like in the Donbass
          2. Same lech
            Same lech 24 November 2015 17: 48
            +3
            and what will hinder us?


            Well, for example, LORD GOD ... or mister a great case .... or do you Jews think that you hold GOD by the beard ....

            smile pride will cost you dearly.
            1. Hello
              Hello 24 November 2015 17: 56
              +4
              Quote: The same LYOKHA
              Well, for example, LORD GOD ... or mister a great case .... or do you Jews think that you hold GOD by the beard ....

              pride will cost you dearly.

              I’m curious about the Turks knocking you down and for some reason you threaten Israel what Or did Israel strike at Russian sites? Or was it not an agreement with Israel on the exchange of information? So, as we flew, we will fly both ours and ours, and we will be extremely polite to each other right up to diarrhea wink
              1. Same lech
                Same lech 24 November 2015 18: 02
                +1
                So as we flew, we will fly both yours and ours, and we will be extremely polite with each other right up to diarrhea


                Yeah, and do not care about international law, you do not even think that you fly into a foreign country without demand.

                And if RUSSIA allows itself this in relation to our violent neighbors, you Jews would be the first to yell about a violation of international law.
                Do not you understand that the rules are either there or they are not.
                1. Hello
                  Hello 24 November 2015 18: 09
                  0
                  Quote: The same LYOKHA
                  Yeah, and do not care about international law, you do not even think that you fly into a foreign country without demand.

                  We are at war
                  Quote: The same LYOKHA
                  And if RUSSIA allows itself this in relation to our violent neighbors, you Jews would be the first to yell about a violation of international law.

                  Something I don’t remember Israel expressing indignation at Russia on issues unrelated to Israel, Israel usually in these cases smiles and waves.
                  Quote: The same LYOKHA
                  Do not you understand that the rules are either there or they are not.

                  There are rules, but all of them comply only when it is beneficial to them. IMHO wink
                  1. Same lech
                    Same lech 24 November 2015 18: 13
                    +3
                    We are at war


                    With whom ?
                    Be consistent ... with Syria or Assad?

                    Well, officially announce ... and then you will not have questions ...
                    and so you sneakily attack and think that everything is fine .... just this is not normal, because they will do exactly the same to you ... no offense hi
                    1. Hello
                      Hello 24 November 2015 18: 28
                      0
                      Quote: The same LYOKHA
                      With whom ?
                      Be consistent ... with Syria or Assad?

                      With Syria
                      Quote: The same LYOKHA
                      Well, officially announce ... and then you will not have questions ...

                      And it has not officially ended since 1967.
                      Quote: The same LYOKHA
                      and so you sneakily attack and think that everything is fine .... just this is not normal, because they will do exactly the same to you ... no offense

                      Hmm ... well, if you think that we should silently watch Hezbollah get missiles and shoot them with us with these missiles, then we have a different opinion on this. In light of recent events, by analogy with your comment, I can advise your country not to respond Turkey on a downed plane, but simply menacingly wave their fists hi
                      1. Same lech
                        Same lech 24 November 2015 18: 34
                        +1
                        In light of recent events, by analogy with your comment, I can advise your country not to respond to Turkey with a downed plane, but simply threateningly wave its fists

                        Waving their fists in a street fight ....
                        I believe the Turks will be given a more sophisticated answer ... perhaps where they least expect it.

                        In any case, you clearly underestimate the importance of the event.

                        As for the hezbollah, I’m interested to know why you are fighting it in the territory of SYRIA and not say IRAN ... the gut is thin?
                      2. Banshee
                        Banshee 24 November 2015 18: 42
                        +7
                        Alexey, what are you doing? It seems that the Jews shot down our plane. Well, be really consistent and logical, and then the crap is complete. Su-24 Turks shot down, and the Jews are to blame anyway.

                        Not worth it.
                      3. Same lech
                        Same lech 24 November 2015 19: 04
                        +1
                        then the complete crap comes out. The Turks shot down the Su-24, but the Jews were to blame anyway.

                        Not worth it.


                        It’s to blame ... I’m very upset with the death of our pilot ... and then Ilya tells me about the bombing of a militarized structure fighting ISIS by Israeli planes in Syria.

                        All close this topic ... tears of grief can not help.
                    2. Hello
                      Hello 24 November 2015 18: 48
                      +1
                      Quote: The same LYOKHA
                      As for the hezbollah, I’m interested to know why you are fighting it in the territory of SYRIA and not say IRAN ... the gut is thin?

                      Hmm, why did you get what you’re not fighting? If aviation doesn’t strike, it means we’re not fighting? How would each task have its own methods and tools. hi
                      By the way, why aren't you fighting IS in Qatar? The gut is thin? That's about ....
                    3. Same lech
                      Same lech 24 November 2015 19: 05
                      +2
                      By the way, why aren't you fighting IS in Qatar? The gut is thin? That's about ....


                      You are a difficult Jewish people ... you will not blame logic for logic. hi find the answer to everything.
                    4. perm23
                      perm23 25 November 2015 06: 44
                      0
                      How can we fight. You do not help either. Could leave Syria alone.
                  2. Weyland
                    Weyland 25 November 2015 01: 01
                    0
                    Quote: The same LYOKHA
                    why are you fighting it in Syria and not say Iran ..


                    He wrote to you:
                    Quote: The same LYOKHA
                    And it has not officially ended since 1967.


                    Officially, Israel with all its Arab neighbors is just truce, not the world. And bombing in Iran (with which Israel is not at war) is another full war!
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                2. Fat
                  Fat 24 November 2015 18: 39
                  -1
                  Advisor language in popen and sit. God-beaten drifts. Have already
            2. Pilat2009
              Pilat2009 24 November 2015 20: 46
              0
              Quote: Hello
              We are at war

              with Syria chtoli? or with ISIS? or with everyone?
          3. goblin xnumx
            goblin xnumx 24 November 2015 18: 22
            +1
            in fact, what’s bothering you? —the Turks over there silently put a drone and now also a bomber — and here, the Jews are the rules, well, what do you say?
        3. Banshee
          Banshee 24 November 2015 18: 40
          +3
          Quote: Hello
          So as we flew, we will fly both yours and ours, and we will be extremely polite with each other right up to diarrhea


          Extremely pleasant mutual coexistence.
          1. Hello
            Hello 24 November 2015 18: 45
            +3
            Quote: Banshee
            Extremely pleasant mutual coexistence.

            And I personally am glad of this, whatever the Russian and Israeli military would say there very quickly find a common language hi
            1. Dyusseldorf
              Dyusseldorf 24 November 2015 19: 14
              +1
              And not only the military IMHO ...
            2. perm23
              perm23 25 November 2015 06: 46
              0
              All the same, their people therefore find a common language.
  • kuz363
    kuz363 24 November 2015 17: 08
    +6
    General's baby talk. I am ashamed to read. Pilots of a shot down aircraft would be revered
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    1. tomket
      tomket 24 November 2015 17: 05
      +5
      Quote: over
      WHY DO YOU NOT APPLY ?????

      General: - Or maybe our bombers need to be covered with electronic warfare and fighter jets .... Question, we all have such generals in the VKS, geniuses and masters of their craft ????
    2. LVMI1980
      LVMI1980 24 November 2015 17: 55
      +1
      they also talked about the fact that they let "calibers" from the submarine ...
  • Mikhail Krapivin
    Mikhail Krapivin 24 November 2015 16: 51
    +9
    An eye for an eye a tooth for a tooth. Ten F-16s for our Drying.
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      1. Diana Ilyina
        Diana Ilyina 24 November 2015 17: 04
        14
        Quote: SibSlavRus
        What, again, the Kremlin reduced everything to an incident ?! Expressed concern? Chew snot?


        And what do you suggest?! Send a gift in the form of "Yars" to Ankara on your own ?! To multiply everyone by zero, and at the same time the whole planet into radioactive ash ?!

        The answer should be, no one argues! It must be tough, verified, but balanced, otherwise the furry animal from your profile picture will come to the whole world!
        1. alexng
          alexng 24 November 2015 17: 28
          +4
          Putin called Turkey an accomplice to terrorism and with the verdict that the answer would be tough. Erdogan made a fatal mistake and there will be no mercy.
  • Wedmak
    Wedmak 24 November 2015 16: 52
    12
    Well, firstly, it was necessary to apply earlier and escort the bombers in such dangerous places. And now, of course, they simply have to do it.
    1. kuz363
      kuz363 24 November 2015 17: 06
      +4
      Of course, the warriors hoped, as always, at random. Stayed in euphoria. And once they had to bring down the first plane in Syria
      1. 3officer
        3officer 24 November 2015 17: 25
        0
        Quote: kuz363
        Of course, the warriors hoped, as always, at random. Stayed in euphoria. And once they had to bring down the first plane in Syria



        We don’t know whether it’s euphoric or not. The air forces of all countries had similar operations. The other question would be to ask if the operation was to save the pilots. The plane was shot down, for us the fate of the pilots is important, in Syria we have units capable of this is.
        1. kiparis
          kiparis 24 November 2015 18: 05
          0
          The operation was. Lost one Mi-24 helicopter.
          1. 3officer
            3officer 24 November 2015 18: 21
            0
            Quote: kiparis
            The operation was. Lost one Mi-24 helicopter.


            Yes, I found some information, my attitude comes down to the fact that I would like to see the first line of this information in the media and in society, and all the "answers" and opinions only later.
        2. perm23
          perm23 25 November 2015 06: 47
          0
          Amerikosy have not lost, that's what is bad.
  • bronik
    bronik 24 November 2015 16: 52
    +6
    Ours relaxed, and the Turks waited for this moment and prepared. An obvious provocation, but what its true goals will be found out later. Now you can’t fly near the Turkish border without cover.
    1. Performance
      Performance 24 November 2015 17: 55
      +1
      Rather, they did not relax, and the pilots were excited, they were following the command "deepen and strengthen" ...

      Well, the Turks, probably on the instructions of their uncle, watched precisely this place, and waited for such a situation, a lonely bomber who would not give them change.

      We expect a total Sun in the area during the day and a periodic ODAB9000 at night!
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    1. Altona
      Altona 24 November 2015 17: 03
      12
      Quote: RUS96
      ................

      -------------------
      This should be addressed to lovers of Turkish relaxation ...
    2. ALEA IACTA EST
      ALEA IACTA EST 24 November 2015 17: 06
      +6
      Quote: RUS96
      ......................

      Three times I join!
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    4. staryivoin
      staryivoin 24 November 2015 17: 29
      +6
      I personally have a big doubt that there was a "bashi-bazouk" in the cockpit of "16", perhaps there was someone like "crazy Johnny McCainov" ??? In general, everything very clearly looks like a well-planned action, sabotage against our VKS. And the address is known - Langley, Fairfax County, Virginia County, FSA !!!
      I wonder how bravely, Chursky pilots will now fly into the air ???
      1. goblin xnumx
        goblin xnumx 24 November 2015 18: 26
        +1
        I would like something happened to the pilots (there are also two of them), well, there is an accident or some kind of illness for the future, we can next time the rocket fails or the distance is not right
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 24 November 2015 20: 00
        0
        Really really a relative of McCain of the Contused Seat at the helm of the F 16th.
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 24 November 2015 16: 52
    11
    special purpose aircraft and electronic warfare equipment in order to prevent incidents similar to what happened today on the border with Turkey,

    And earlier this could not be done. One statement by Kerry about "Russian planes that could start to fall" should have alerted all the same. The base was covered, but otherwise the hope that the IS has no air defense.
  • KBR109
    KBR109 24 November 2015 16: 52
    16
    In addition to the SU-24, our helicopter was hit there by an ATGM today. Sat down. The crew was evacuated. Helicopter destroyed. These are the pies.
  • Tu-214R
    Tu-214R 24 November 2015 16: 52
    10
    It would be better if the general did not make this statement. I don’t even have words. sad
    1. DIVAN SOLDIER
      DIVAN SOLDIER 24 November 2015 17: 01
      +1
      And this is a general ??? And I thought a whiner.
  • Aleksey11
    Aleksey11 24 November 2015 16: 53
    16
    It's time to close the skies of Syria for all countries outside the coalition with Russia. To the Turks, declare that any crossing of the Syrian border will be considered as an armed attack on a friendly country with corresponding consequences.
    1. I read the news
      I read the news 24 November 2015 17: 35
      +2
      The Turks have already shot down a Russian plane with this already armed attack.
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  • Stiletto
    Stiletto 24 November 2015 16: 55
    +9
    Now the number of Turkish F-16 take-offs should equal the number of their falls. That would be a worthy answer! am
  • ilgiz82
    ilgiz82 24 November 2015 16: 55
    +7
    It seems to me that the Turks should be punished if they shot down our SU-24. Something they have recently begun to greyhound, insolently oppose us, defend their ISIS and free oil ...
  • AlexTires
    AlexTires 24 November 2015 16: 56
    10
    so which did not apply? the experience of South Ossetia, when a bomber was sent and shot down, did not teach anything?
    1. Sotnik77s
      Sotnik77s 24 November 2015 18: 31
      0
      that's right, how many people can already be lost, but what !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • dukalis
    dukalis 24 November 2015 16: 56
    +9
    It should be Americans in Turkey
    Kurds a couple tons of weapons by chance
    By throwing off the Ottomans
    In the end
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 24 November 2015 17: 00
      +8
      Kurds a couple tons of weapons by chance
      By throwing off the Ottomans
      In the end


      In this case, this is the best answer ... you can resume the training of the Kurdish military in our military institutions ... stuff them with knowledge and the ability to fight in modern conditions with TURKISH ARMED FORCES using our scientific military achievements.
      There are many ways to complicate the life of Turks to disgrace.
      1. Yuyuka
        Yuyuka 24 November 2015 21: 50
        +1
        There are many ways to complicate the life of Turks to disgrace.

        I support! We don’t have to directly let all the magazine dogs down on us - no one canceled the accidents repeat and unambiguously support the Kurds - it's not for nothing that today someone said that earlier we were embarrassed to raise the "Kurdish topic". We must hit the sick - the economy is a great thing! And the problems in it are swept away by any government! And there are no guilty ones request
  • Paul_
    Paul_ 24 November 2015 16: 56
    23
    in such cases, there is a clear procedure for the actions of the party whose boundaries have been violated. Fighters take off and establish communication, including line of sight, with the crew of the offending aircraft, since it is always possible that the aircraft has a failure of navigation equipment or a broken control system. And only after that, having made sure that it was not a malfunction at all, the escort fighters try to force the intruder out of their airspace or force them to land at their airfield. If the plane continues to fly into the interior of the country, then a warning fire is opened and only after that a blow is struck directly at the aircraft. "
  • Strashila
    Strashila 24 November 2015 16: 56
    +4
    Ensure the safety of our pilots in such a way ... so that the Turks do not have communications and navigation aids ... then definitely no plane will take off ... not only military, but also civilian ...
  • Foxmara
    Foxmara 24 November 2015 16: 57
    10
    But what about the statement about an umbrella that gives 600 km nothing to see NATO? Well, on the border without escort of fighters ...
    1. UNAUTHORIZED
      UNAUTHORIZED 24 November 2015 17: 00
      10
      A leaky umbrella is seen, or there are too many talker generals.
      1. Aurum
        Aurum 24 November 2015 17: 06
        +3
        and become generals in the same way that governors ...
        loyal, though stupid - general
        very smart - sit in the majors
        1. goblin xnumx
          goblin xnumx 24 November 2015 18: 29
          -2
          if the minister is a civilian builder, whom will he put next to him, if someone is smarter than him, how will the minister look after that?
    2. DHA
      DHA 24 November 2015 19: 35
      -1
      mess designed for you and me
  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 24 November 2015 16: 58
    +4
    Turks no longer fly over Syria. The roof of the Janissaries has gone completely. Now they will run to "Big Daddy" to complain like a naughty tomboy. Well, not a kid, he knew what he was doing. Now the ears will be torn off, possibly along with the head.
    And "Big Daddy" will stand on the sidelines. He doesn't want to get fooled for an idiot.
    1. BARKHAN
      BARKHAN 24 November 2015 18: 03
      +5
      They can complain to anyone, but they must be punished for what they have done. And severely punished. I'm not sure yet, but some snot on our part ... concerns and amazement ...
      They wipe their feet about those who allow this to be done with themselves!
  • kepmor
    kepmor 24 November 2015 16: 59
    +4
    "... our pilots will now be more attentive ..." - something very conciliatory rhetoric from the general!
    Is it really decided to make the pilots extreme, supposedly themselves to blame? Or the general blurted out a gag without thinking?
    All the same, it’s incomprehensible and unpleasant! All this is not good! It’s very alarming to become a soul!
  • dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 24 November 2015 17: 00
    +1
    Here are the stick trees a brilliant way out! And what immediately could not be done? After all, it has long been known that among the militants every second MANPADS is on his shoulder.
  • kuz363
    kuz363 24 November 2015 17: 01
    0
    It may or may not ... It was necessary to immediately apply electronic warfare equipment in Syria. And so they waited for a nose from the Turks.
  • ALEA IACTA EST
    ALEA IACTA EST 24 November 2015 17: 01
    0
    This should have been done yesterday ...
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  • Mario_boo
    Mario_boo 24 November 2015 17: 06
    +1
    To wet Turkish nits in batches, so that they know who they raised their hands to! Block tightly free oil flows!
  • kill the fascist
    kill the fascist 24 November 2015 17: 06
    +2
    Years go by, but nothing changes - we live according to a proverb: thunder will not strike, a man will not cross himself. I think that what happened is partially a jamb of our special services and their analytical departments. Okay ... the truth is ours and the enemy will be defeated.
  • tank64rus
    tank64rus 24 November 2015 17: 06
    +1
    Do not forgive and do not wipe yourself. Any measures are the most effective. From the boycott by our tourists of the Turkish resorts to the consideration of the guilt of individuals, including abroad. To warn those who have our pilots in case of reprisals, the perpetrators will be destroyed.
  • Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 24 November 2015 17: 07
    +2
    missiles must be used for any purpose threatening our aircraft
  • roskot
    roskot 24 November 2015 17: 11
    +7
    The question arises. If Turkey is part of the NATO alliance and sponsors Isil, it is hostile to us why build a gas pipe on its territory. Once again, substitute for blackmail. If we blocked the air flow with Egypt, then Turkey must be blocked. Our hostages are there.
    And if you do not caress the fifth column, we will not be good for the west.
    Manifestations of weakness give rise to impunity. Stop flirting with dill.
    It is time to decide who is the partner and who is the enemy.
    1. Aurum
      Aurum 24 November 2015 17: 16
      +1
      put the right questions, but inconvenient for the Mendel government.
      In our country there are many NATO werewolves in power, pupils and students of seminars organized by the CIA.
  • nazar_0753
    nazar_0753 24 November 2015 17: 13
    0
    Every day life is becoming more interesting.
  • Stiletto
    Stiletto 24 November 2015 17: 13
    +3
    Quote: tank64rus
    To warn those who have our pilots in case of reprisals, the perpetrators will be destroyed.


    Already write that both pilots died. I think they were eliminated as unnecessary witnesses. Now, it would be up to our strategists to iron the whole tribe that it was grumbling at with automatic rifles, so that it would continue to be inconsistent. am
  • Denis 60 rus
    Denis 60 rus 24 November 2015 17: 13
    +9
    Dear GDP, introduce a ban on tourist tours for Russians. 10 years old for those who fly through Belarus to accountability. Or we can do it there.
    1. Denis 60 rus
      Denis 60 rus 24 November 2015 17: 16
      0
      in turretchina tours.
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  • Mihalich17
    Mihalich17 24 November 2015 17: 13
    +6
    We must resolutely demand the extradition of Turkish pilots!
    Will not give out? Eliminate! And the pilots and all those who gave the order to bring down our plane!
    REQUIRE!
    1. Fat
      Fat 24 November 2015 18: 42
      -1
      what chturetskikh.tam on their efok
  • Prisoner
    Prisoner 24 November 2015 17: 13
    +2
    Heck! Again, our man is strong in hindsight. It’s clear that the Turks believe that they can rely on water! It was impossible to calculate the situation? Okay, we are couches, but you have all the information, hedgehog is your honey!
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  • DenZ
    DenZ 24 November 2015 17: 14
    +1
    Quote: atalef
    Quote: The same LYOKHA
    former chief of the international treaty department of the Russian military department, Lieutenant General Evgeny Buzhinsky

    the answer is clear
    former chief of the international treaty department of the Russian military department, Lieutenant General Evgeny Buzhinsky

    retired general, as I understand it

    Well, what a helpful one you are. Everything is written in Russian.
  • chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 24 November 2015 17: 16
    +3
    Very interesting. They may or may not. As I understand it, the generals do not care, in general, the main state-owned apartment in Moscow and the fat ration.
  • hartlend
    hartlend 24 November 2015 17: 17
    +1
    An answer is needed on a different priority, so that they even stop thinking about our planes.
  • lukke
    lukke 24 November 2015 17: 19
    +2
    and if the Turks continue to behave this way, then Russia will be forced to use means of suppression and electronic warfare and raise special-purpose aircraft to protect our pilots from shelling, ”the general said.
    I didn’t understand if our bombers continue to shoot down - will we create combat protection from fighters ?! and this is the answer of the general))))) yeah ... it would be better to say that he is boycotting a family vacation in Kemer, a woodpecker. (he could stupidly quote the words of the President)
  • Million
    Million 24 November 2015 17: 21
    0
    Look how they spoke! I hope this meanness will not go unpunished!
  • alfa19638
    alfa19638 24 November 2015 17: 24
    +1
    Why not apply, it turns out that the lives of pilots mean nothing? That this is news, that the Turks are accomplices of terrorists, militants were forming and staying in Chechnya in Turkey, and we got gas there with privileges, millions of dollars are going to rest, partners ... The principles of poher are the main gain, money!
    Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, USA - how to understand this anti-Ghilean coalition - a world of absurdity !!!
  • SCHWERIN
    SCHWERIN 24 November 2015 17: 24
    +4
    So our got where it should be. This is me about fuel trucks. Took a business. And the answer should be like this - along the border with the Turchins, a wall of fire from burnt down log stands. This will be the Requiem for our dead children. Star raid. Erdogan the jackal will get around.
  • mik0588
    mik0588 24 November 2015 17: 27
    +3
    And here comes the consequences ...


    Natalie Tours suspends the sale of tours to Turkey

    Tour operator "Natalie Tours" suspends the sale of tours to Turkey in the near future. This was announced by company president Vladimir Vorobyov.
    “We assessed the situation and understand that it can develop according to the most negative scenario. It’s more correct to suspend the sale of tours until the circumstances are clarified, ”Vorobyov told TASS.
    He noted that the suspension of sales is planned "not forever."
    1. Rom14
      Rom14 25 November 2015 06: 35
      0
      This is called mouse fuss, now the honor of Russia is on the map, is it really a great country ... The whole world is now looking at Putin -He is he a man or as in Donbass "... we won't give offense ..." (maybe I'm wrong .., but it's a shame for the Power).
  • North
    North 24 November 2015 17: 27
    +1
    Avik French arrived. it does not mean anything? France, like Turkey, is it NATO or I’m wrong.
  • Ivan Ivanovich
    Ivan Ivanovich 24 November 2015 17: 29
    +1
    Close all relations with Turkey, and they will answer for our plane ...
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  • Rezistant
    Rezistant 24 November 2015 17: 43
    +1
    Arrange NATO Air Force vacations, introduce a no-fly zone over Turkey until clarification, so to speak ....
  • Yar Ga
    Yar Ga 24 November 2015 17: 45
    0
    Indirectly, this plane was shot down by millions of Russians, who had been taking money to Turkish resorts for decades.
    1. DPN
      DPN 24 November 2015 20: 07
      0
      they simply cannot play our chess.
    2. DPN
      DPN 24 November 2015 20: 29
      +1
      It is time for the Russians to leave the shores of Turkey, only a MEASURE can be taken to return them.
      In our World there were examples. The Iron Lady of England defeated Argentina by threatening with atomic weapons, for which HER was respected by the whole World.
      Erdogan also fulfilled his promises shot down by our SU-24.
      ????????????
    3. Mama_Cholli
      Mama_Cholli 24 November 2015 21: 57
      0
      Do not talk nonsense. Or do you think the Russians are always responsible for the madmen around the world?
      1. Yar Ga
        Yar Ga 25 November 2015 10: 35
        0
        Be careful. 1. I wrote the Russians, not the Russians. 2. What part of the hundreds of billions of money earned from tourists from Russia in Turkey went to our friendly goals? 3.Transferring money to the enemy, we strengthen it, weaken ourselves. 4. When buying goods of the countries of the enemies, in the presence of comparable domestic ones, something similar happens.
        Something like this.
  • Stiletto
    Stiletto 24 November 2015 17: 45
    +4
    It would be nice to shoot down any Turkish F-16 as an answer, even over the territory of Turkey - an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth. They will rock on - well, not the first we started ...