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Russian political analysts believe that Turkey was preparing a provocation with the Russian military aircraft

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Russian experts believe that in recent times, Turkey was preparing a provocation with the Russian military aircraft. This position is held, in particular, by the head of the Center for the Study of the Middle East, Semen Bagdasarov. According to the expert, the oil smuggled by the ISIL militants was engaged in and is only one reason for the Turkish indignation about the Russian counterterrorist operation in Syria. Bagdasarov in an interview with the TV channel LifeNews says that another reason is the Syrian Turkmen (Turkomans), who actively opposed the Assad army, in fact representing terrorist groups supported by Ankara.


Russian political analysts believe that Turkey was preparing a provocation with the Russian military aircraft


Recall that a few days ago at the Pentagon it was announced that they were launching a joint operation with the Turkish troops to "restore control on the 98-kilometer stretch of the Turkish-Syrian border." Immediately after that, the Russian ambassador was summoned to the Turkish Foreign Ministry, who was protested in connection with the fact that the Russian aviation allegedly striking at the very same terrorist groups of Turkmens (Turkoman) living in northern Syria.

Not even a couple of days passed, as the Turkish Armed Forces General Staff reported on the downed Russian bomber. All this is really like the implementation of a unified plan for those who, instead of the anti-terrorism fit to write to terrorist the coalition that previously created the Middle East Frankenstein, whose name is terrorism.

There is an opinion that in connection with the latest events, Turkish President Erdogan will turn into a great friend of the West, and all statements about the "usurpation of power" and "persecution of the opposition" that Western politicians made against Erdogan will be quickly forgotten.
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  1. doom25
    doom25 24 November 2015 14: 52 New
    41
    waiting for GDP to say
    1. bulvas
      bulvas 24 November 2015 14: 54 New
      62

      Massed with missiles on Turkoman and as quickly as possible, before the start of the proceedings


      1. Baikonur
        Baikonur 24 November 2015 14: 56 New
        18
        It is believed that in connection with recent events, Turkish President Erdogan will become a great friend of the West, and all statements about "usurpation of power" and "persecution of the opposition" that Western politicians have made regarding Erdogan will be quickly forgotten.
        I will say more - it can become a virtual (and even real!) Locomotive in the struggle of the West against Russia! We found someone to attach your echelon to the USA Either of their own free will (unlikely), or having accepted an offer that cannot be refused, with the promise of the West about baskets of cookies and tanks of jam!
        1. 44 World
          44 World 24 November 2015 15: 08 New
          +5
          What about the pilots? any news?
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          2. lexxxus
            lexxxus 24 November 2015 15: 25 New
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            http://cont.ws/post/152651
            1. pilot8878
              pilot8878 24 November 2015 15: 43 New
              18
              Pilots rest in peace. I really hope that PSS can even recapture the body of a major from spirits. My condolences to my relatives.
              1. GSH-18
                GSH-18 24 November 2015 21: 09 New
                -1
                Quote: pilot8878
                Pilots rest in peace. I really hope that PSS can even recapture the body of a major from spirits. My condolences to my relatives.

                Bury early. There are two of them in the Su-24. Automatic bailout is not provided. This means that when bailout BOTH were alive!
          3. Ivan Tucha
            Ivan Tucha 24 November 2015 15: 31 New
            16
            one died ... a video was published today ...
            the fate of the second is still in question (may God grant him strength, courage and health).
            1. Burmistr
              Burmistr 24 November 2015 18: 25 New
              +2
              Can anyone objectively answer the question of what one of our aircraft did there without cover ??? Something doesn't fit !!! What the hell did one plane send to the Turkish border, realizing that the Turks were already waiting? What kind of setup? Is this a divorce ??? On both sides ???? How do you want to start the Third World?
              1. Kite
                Kite 24 November 2015 22: 14 New
                +2
                And look at his route, which the Turks stupidly published. They also say that they made warnings ten times. I remember in the old days fools and fools were called Turks, not for nothing they used to say so. On their map, a cape 2 km wide is touched, i.e. Turks began to warn for a long time, and they fired a rocket when our plane was still over Syrian territory? Indeed, drying per minute flies (at an altitude) of about 20 km, and a rocket does not fly at the speed of light. Either they fired from Turkish territory at Syrian airspace, or after, but again in Syrian airspace. Everything happened in Latakia, 2 minutes flight from our air base. This is a hint about the cover of bombers. Both during takeoff and landing, aircraft take time to build order. These starlings take off in flocks and land on the lawn; airplanes cannot do this.
              2. pollyaris
                pollyaris 24 November 2015 23: 54 New
                +1
                Everyone knew that F16 fighters with air-to-air missiles flew into Turkey even earlier. But ours began to fly not by a link, but singly without cover. How to understand this? Stupidity or deliberate fraud? I hope that this is not stupidity, but played ahead of schedule to attract their supporters.
        2. marna
          marna 24 November 2015 15: 18 New
          21
          In my opinion, the Turks have already crossed the line ...
          1. Throw
            Throw 24 November 2015 15: 27 New
            19
            Erdogan must leave.
            1. the most important
              the most important 24 November 2015 16: 28 New
              13
              Quote: Lance
              Erdogan must leave.

              Erdogan must crawl away, or better, disappear! Better yet, with Turkey! Something a lot of Turks have added foreign territory to themselves ... All the neighbors have claims to them, so we need to share it in a fair manner ... In general, we must be a complete idiot to create such a provocation ... Tourists from Russia now there obviously will not be, the "Turkish stream" will be put up for repairs, the Kurds will ask Kurdistan, and I can send the soap to him myself!
              1. Sandov
                Sandov 24 November 2015 17: 09 New
                12
                It is urgent to recognize the right of the Kurds to create their own state.
          2. nadezhiva
            nadezhiva 24 November 2015 15: 42 New
            +4
            The Turks provided a strange picture. The blue line is the border. Red is an airplane. We look forward to a briefing by the MO.
            1. Konar
              Konar 24 November 2015 15: 47 New
              13
              It would be nice in response to bring down their plane, they did the same not so long ago with the Syrian.
              1. Serg koma
                Serg koma 24 November 2015 17: 26 New
                0
                Unverified data from our "friends" ("tvrain" - very in tune with the creatures !!!) https://tvrain.ru/news/pravozaschitniki_v_sirii_sbit_rossijskij_vertolet-398861/

                "A Russian helicopter was shot down several hours after the Russian Su-24 bomber crashed near the Syrian-Turkish border."
                1. builder
                  builder 24 November 2015 17: 43 New
                  0
                  Quote: Serg Koma
                  Unverified data from our "friends" ("tvrain" - very in tune with the creatures !!!) https://tvrain.ru/news/pravozaschitniki_v_sirii_sbit_rossijskij_vertolet-398861/


                  "A Russian helicopter was shot down several hours after the Russian Su-24 bomber crashed near the Syrian-Turkish border."

            2. Northerner
              Northerner 24 November 2015 16: 29 New
              0
              These bastards! They didn’t even let our flyers land (((parachutes were shot in the air ((
              http://www.kp.ru/daily/26458/3332210/
              1. Peterhof 73
                Peterhof 73 24 November 2015 17: 27 New
                +8
                Quote: Northerner
                These bastards! They didn’t even let our flyers land (((parachutes were shot in the air ((
                http://www.kp.ru/daily/26458/3332210/

                This is an old video. Apparently with the Syrian pilots. But this is not easier. The fate of our pilots, unfortunately unenviable in any scenario. May God give them strength, courage and health. Unless of course alive. This is a paragraph. And Svidomo, already grunt and yelp with joy at the "censor". Well, how do these insects from HC differ from IG? Not at all. Even more cynical, greedy and ruthless.
                1. Throw
                  Throw 24 November 2015 17: 29 New
                  0
                  This zhurnalyugi from KP escalate - an old video on kamenty.
                2. Sterlya
                  Sterlya 24 November 2015 19: 53 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Petergofsky73
                  And Svidomo, already grunt and yelp with joy at the "censor". Well, how do these insects from HC differ from IG? Not at all. Even more cynical, greedy and ruthless.

                  So the "brotherly" people laughing . KOOOzly they, not brothers am
                  There are few people there along the way, they are degrading quickly
        3. mitya24
          mitya24 24 November 2015 15: 29 New
          +4
          The situation is aggravated by the fact that these bastards control the straits. Therefore, alas, but take off will have to negotiate.
          1. Concealer
            Concealer 24 November 2015 15: 52 New
            10
            You should not think so. The straits may be theirs, but they have fuel reserves of 2 weeks at all stations. Free fuel from Syria is very relaxing. A fuel delivery of 30-45 days if ships. And they need him a lot. And they always bought it in Russia.
            1. gladcu2
              gladcu2 24 November 2015 18: 07 New
              +4
              Concealer

              You're right. We are a stone's throw from the third.

              GDP began an operation against ISIS, realizing that a third is not inevitable.

              Look at the map. The Russian base in Syria cuts off oil flows to Europe through Iraq.

              Demonstration of calibers and strategists is an attempt to reason. But it seems that it was only an attempt.

              And you answered why.
              1. Concealer
                Concealer 27 November 2015 18: 49 New
                0
                This is only part of the picture. The energy collapse of Europe is not organized at all by us. Ukraine - Syria is one theater of war. And do not be confused by the fact that the declared causes and goals of the wars are different. All one. And there is only one goal - a nuclear meat grinder in Russia and Europe. And then the rest. And the true goal is the destruction of all industrial centers except the United States. Only in this way is it possible to maintain the existing economic system and world domination. Next in line is China-Japan-South Korea.
                All these are links of one chain, for consolidation of world domination.
                That's just in the basics themselves, they forgot something very important. Yes, and they could not notice it, because they never thought about people as "people."
          2. tehnoluks
            tehnoluks 24 November 2015 23: 23 New
            0
            It seems that it's time to nail the shield on the gates of Constantinople again.
      2. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 24 November 2015 14: 56 New
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        Quote: bulvas
        Massed with missiles on Turkoman

        This is the most logical answer. And see what the Turks do. Provocations provocations, but can openly declare war on us?
        1. bulvas
          bulvas 24 November 2015 14: 58 New
          30
          Quote: Vladimirets
          but can openly declare war on us?



          This will not give a formal reason, since
          Turkoman are in Syria and they are terrorists,
          in addition, their territory is used to supply terrorists and transport tr. and refugees to Europe



          1. traveler
            traveler 24 November 2015 15: 04 New
            -101
            What terrorist acts do the Turkmen count, do not tell me?
            What are your criteria by which you attribute these or those to terrorists?
            1. DenZ
              DenZ 24 November 2015 15: 07 New
              45
              By the criteria of the checkbox at the login. smile
              1. traveler
                traveler 24 November 2015 15: 23 New
                -31
                my flag is either Russian, then state, or Icelandic. I'm leaving with Rostelecom. not my problem.
                1. Imperialkolorad
                  Imperialkolorad 24 November 2015 15: 26 New
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                  Quote: traveler
                  my flag is either Russian, then state, or Icelandic. I'm leaving with Rostelecom. not my problem.

                  Judging by the minuses of the problem, and even what.
                  1. traveler
                    traveler 24 November 2015 15: 34 New
                    -20
                    Yes, somehow do not care, I do not bother.
                    you have a dizzying virtual military career here laughing
                    1. aksakal
                      aksakal 24 November 2015 15: 50 New
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                      Quote: traveler
                      Yes, somehow do not care, I do not bother.
                      -That and stomp do not bother. What are you smarting about? Criterion one - Against a legitimate government with weapons made? All terrorists. There is only one way to fight against your legitimate government - legitimate. That is, to remain in the legal field, even if the Government enters into courage and goes too far with repression - STAY in the legal field! He took up arms against his government - TERRORIST! That's it, the discussion is over.
                      And you do not bother, you are doing the right thing. Minuses are now a little stuffed, you get skulls and bones on shoulder straps - and we will not bother either, because you simply will not be on the site. You can speed up the offenses of something offensive, on a transnational topic, you can call me because of a special cut of your eyes, I will not be offended, as a result, it is better for us and you. Let's stop bothering faster
                      1. traveler
                        traveler 24 November 2015 15: 58 New
                        -5
                        You can speed up the offenses of something offensive, on a transnational topic, you can call me because of a special cut of your eyes, I will not be offended, as a result, it is better for us and you. Let's stop bothering faster

                        I don’t stoop to this
                        I don’t take all this scribble to heart, it’s the Internet, not real life. I recommend to be calm, take care of your nerves.
                      2. aksakal
                        aksakal 24 November 2015 16: 25 New
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                        Quote: traveler
                        I don’t take this scribble to heart, it’s the Internet, not real life. I recommend to be calm, take care of your nerves.
                        - C'mon, I hope you understand who they call a terrorist? Previously, both Soviet and Amer terrorists were divided into "rebels" and "terrorists." In fact, there is no difference, you see now how the Americans with the same Turks are still trying to make this separation (like in Syria there are "moderate groups" and radical), and then make the Russians not bomb the "moderate". Here on the forum, they also tried to determine this difference, since it is insignificant - the radical ones cut the opponents' head from right to left and a little harder, and the moderate ones - from left to right and a little more softer, well, the look is a bit more sympathetic to the victim, that’s the whole difference laughing So it turns out that a terrorist is a terrorist, he took up arms for political purposes - a terrorist, for personal gain - a criminal bandit - a robber, in both cases you must be eliminated. There is simply no other definition of the word terrorist.
                      3. Terrible ensign
                        Terrible ensign 24 November 2015 16: 38 New
                        +1
                        I absolutely agree with you, colleague! hi
                      4. traveler
                        traveler 24 November 2015 17: 13 New
                        -1
                        Well, you see, calmed down, already on the "you". it’s better, because you or I will not change anything with a saliva monitor, only gray hair will be added.
                        Now about the terrorists:
                        - igil - it’s clear, here’s Paris, here’s an airbus, etc. - terrorist acts, therefore terrorists.
                        - Turkmens - perhaps I do not know, but have not been noticed in terrorist acts. armed and against Assad? I agree. as well as, for example, Syrian Kurds. thus, the Turkmen terrorists or militias, stupidly armed to survive in the bloody mess that is now in Syria. Is Igilov oil transported through their territory? Well, it’s not so long ago that everyone in the region, including Assad, is buying oil from the Isis. war-war, and everyone needs money and fuel.
                        - RPK and Ocalan in Turkey, the DNI and LC with all the actors in Ukraine, or look a little in the past - Menachem Begin and Irgun in Israel, Fatah and Arafat in Palestine (by the way, I think both are Nobel Peace Prize winners). and now tell me about double standards, about
                        took up arms for political purposes - a terrorist

                        everyone has their own truth, their own terrorists and their own militias.
                      5. ssergn
                        ssergn 24 November 2015 17: 57 New
                        0
                        V / on first there was an armed seizure of power (whether it be terrorists). Then Odessa, Mariupol (what do you think, how to name those who did this?), Then it started. So do not lose that thread.
                      6. traveler
                        traveler 24 November 2015 18: 51 New
                        -1
                        Hafez al-Assad came to power as a result of the coup (in fact, as a result of two coups). Bashar al-Assad inherited power. then homs, etc., then it started. so so what.
                      7. aksakal
                        aksakal 24 November 2015 22: 20 New
                        +1
                        Quote: traveler
                        Bashar al-Assad inherited power. then homs, etc., then it started. so so what.
                        - Bashar al-Assad won the election several times. His father came to power was illegal, but if the world powers recognized him, they legitimized him. The current anti-Assad speeches were inspired by external forces, I hope there is no need to prove that incl. and Turkish, and therefore are already terrorist. There are currently only 5-6% of the local!
                        At first, in the Donbass, there were peaceful protests, pickets, demands to repeal the stupid language law, and hold a referendum on EU integration. After a lack of reaction from the junta, administration buildings were seized without violence against personnel. In response, repression from the junta. That is, the Donbass people until the last moment clung to the opportunity to resolve the issue peacefully, to remain in the legal field. And only frank military operations of the Armed Forces led to a response from the militias.
                        The second distinguishing feature of the Donbass from Syrian terrorists is the observance of all laws during the conduct of hostilities. Give at least one fact of abuse of prisoners of war from the Armed Forces or law enforcement! Or facts of violence against civilians! And God forbid you to call it that the prisoners of dill were forced to go on Victory Day on Donetsk Square or that they were forced to wipe away that der ... pmo that they themselves created in Donetsk! - this is not a mockery. But the fact that Ukrainians echoed, that VSUshniki, that pravoseki - there are a lot of facts, and for these crimes, it turns out that the terrorists are just dill. Their shelling of civilians can only be called terrorist!
            2. ssergn
              ssergn 24 November 2015 17: 54 New
              +1
              Thanks, aksakal. He answered in detail. wink
          2. Sober
            Sober 24 November 2015 16: 41 New
            +1
            You're right. minus shoulder straps, plus shoulder straps, this is not a problem that is worth crying for. The problem is inside the person, and it can be seen from the comments.
        2. Sober
          Sober 24 November 2015 16: 38 New
          +3
          Quote: ImperialKolorad
          Judging by the minuses of the problem, and even what.

          Interesting. Comments coincide with the psakosti State Department, and the flag slipped to him, denies.
          1. traveler
            traveler 24 November 2015 17: 19 New
            -2
            I would be in the states, I would say that I am writing from the states. I do not see any problems.
            1. Aryan
              Aryan 24 November 2015 17: 54 New
              0
              Your knowledge of this issue is suspicious ...
              And what about grouping resorbvonvog? bully
      3. Terrible ensign
        Terrible ensign 24 November 2015 16: 34 New
        0
        Yes, and your epaulette like that of "Drozdovtsev". Would you somehow decide ... In which regiment did you serve?! .. And if you round your little dropper from the right edge and a white metal button to spandore such a very field doctor.
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  3. 020205
    020205 24 November 2015 15: 10 New
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    By the criteria, everyone who is against Assad, the legally elected and legitimate president, is terrorists !!! Any more questions?
    1. traveler
      traveler 24 November 2015 15: 31 New
      -24
      the case is personal in Assad or in his position, i.e. By speaking out against Assad, do you become a terrorist according to your logic or speaking out against any "legitimate" president (prime minister, sultan, etc.)?
      1. architect
        architect 24 November 2015 15: 33 New
        +8
        against the government? kindly die!
        1. traveler
          traveler 24 November 2015 15: 37 New
          -5
          how about ... - we won’t go far - RPK and одcalana?
          1. Xsanchez
            Xsanchez 24 November 2015 16: 26 New
            +2
            Are you the daughter of a Crimean officer?
          2. aksakal
            aksakal 24 November 2015 22: 27 New
            0
            Quote: traveler
            how about ... - we won’t go far - RPK and одcalana?
            - and this is already interesting. Why can't Russia express concern over the fate of Odzholan? The PKK is not a terrorist organization in Russia, it only appears in Turkey. Ocalan is a political prisoner for the Russians, so we must fight for his release. Is not that the unpleasant consequence of the attack on the Russian bomber. And there you can throw a good weapon at Peshmerge, or you can go on Twitter, with the delivery of good air defense systems, they guarantee no fly zone in Turkey laughing Thank you for the idea. And you don’t have to fight with Turkey, and you can fry her heels
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 24 November 2015 15: 36 New
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        Quote: traveler
        , i.e. speaking against assad you become a terrorist according to your logic or speaking out against any "legitimate" president

        Go against your Obama in your USA, and I'll see who they call you
        1. traveler
          traveler 24 November 2015 15: 38 New
          -11
          I’m Murmansk, I don’t put the flags.
          1. pilot8878
            pilot8878 24 November 2015 15: 49 New
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            Quote: traveler
            I am a Murmansk citizen

            The daughter of an officer? Is it not so clear? Familiar song.
          2. Ramzaj99
            Ramzaj99 24 November 2015 16: 28 New
            +2
            Quote: traveler
            I’m Murmansk, I don’t put the flags.

            You have karma, shit sticks to shit. Assassins, he is still here to defend the freak ......
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          4. Sober
            Sober 24 November 2015 16: 58 New
            +1
            Quote: traveler
            I’m Murmansk, I don’t put the flags.

            I read complaints that the flag itself is changing. Either tricolor or red. But such a triple, yes with the exact opposite, yes with comments ala psak? This is strange.
          5. Serg koma
            Serg koma 24 November 2015 17: 42 New
            0
            Quote: traveler
            I am a Murmansk citizen

            By psaki. More correctly, not a “Murmansk citizen”, but a “Belarusian submariner” - so do not be shy in choosing a “lactating hand”)))
          6. Sterlya
            Sterlya 24 November 2015 20: 01 New
            0
            Quote: traveler
            I’m Murmansk, I don’t put the flags.

            Yeah, you are as Murmansk as I am a Martian wassat
        2. traveler
          traveler 24 November 2015 15: 45 New
          -12
          with a fig on "you"? poke your friends.
          1. Serg koma
            Serg koma 24 November 2015 17: 35 New
            0
            Quote: traveler
            poke your friends.

            What about the enemies?
            1. Oleg56.ru
              Oleg56.ru 24 November 2015 19: 40 New
              +2
              They say to enemies: "I'm going to YOU"
          2. Sterlya
            Sterlya 24 November 2015 20: 02 New
            +1
            Quote: traveler
            with a fig on "you"? poke your friends.

            So you are not my friend Yusovets, with thinking Psaki
      3. 020205
        020205 24 November 2015 16: 18 New
        0
        Speaking against the legally elected government, you are a terrorist! It does not matter who you are, Putin, Stalin or Pinachet!
        1. pilot8878
          pilot8878 25 November 2015 11: 39 New
          +1
          Quote: 020205
          no matter who you are, Putin, Stalin or Pinachet!

          with surnames more accurately.
      4. perm23
        perm23 24 November 2015 16: 24 New
        +6
        And you as you like, who wants to take and began to fight against the legitimate authority. And most importantly, kill people, the same soldiers who took the oath. Fight the authorities if you do not like them, but not with weapons. And then you act as Vlasovists, they are against the Bolsheviks marching, but then they shot at all soldiers of the Red Army. So in Syria, someone likes Assad, someone just wants to live in peace. And here the opposition has come to shoot you. So this logic is wrong, criminal.
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  5. bulvas
    bulvas 24 November 2015 15: 11 New
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    Quote: traveler
    What terrorist acts do the Turkmen count, do not tell me?
    What are your criteria by which you attribute these or those to terrorists?



    The supply of ISIS and the sale of oil occurs through their territory, they participate in this.

    Called - Aiding Terrorists

  6. Putinets
    Putinets 24 November 2015 15: 12 New
    +8
    And you, pin "" "dosov, what criteria do not apply them to terrorists? Perhaps Psaki declared a lie? Or is the titular nation deciding who is good? So why does the grandmother of the DPRK take the loot?
  7. architect
    architect 24 November 2015 15: 13 New
    +2
    against Assad? terrorists! am
  8. Fat
    Fat 24 November 2015 15: 22 New
    +4
    all who oppose the lawfully elected government with arms are terrorists. and they need to be hollowed out
  9. OlegLex
    OlegLex 24 November 2015 15: 26 New
    +3
    And how can you call the one who grows and feeds - The father of the terrorist, he is also a mother and a Turkish grandmother, we know that by rolling their ISIS, we are rolling out their Turkish dream of the return of the Ottoman Empire
  10. silver_roman
    silver_roman 24 November 2015 15: 36 New
    +4
    Quote: traveler
    What are your criteria by which you attribute these or those to terrorists?

    groups of persons who live in a certain territory of a certain state and act in violation of the laws of that state by means of terrorist acts.

    Another thing is what did these Turkmens do ?! I personally do not know their activities.
    But from the side of Turkey (henceforth I stop writing the name of this state with a capital letter), ISIL is constantly being supplied and there is also smuggled oil.
    it will be extremely uncomfortable for the Turks if the border is controlled by the Syrian government forces, therefore this should be prevented. And local tribes are a great way to keep Syrians out.
  11. ssergn
    ssergn 24 November 2015 17: 52 New
    0
    Any illegal armed formation that opposes the current government of the state is APRIORI TERRORISTS.
    Is that enough for you? Not? Then take an interest in the government of the USA or Israel, for example, how they will regard such formations. And then broadcast here.
    Umnikov, look divorced.
  12. andrew42
    andrew42 24 November 2015 17: 58 New
    0
    Late boy rushing around. Talk is no longer necessary.
  13. Weyland
    Weyland 25 November 2015 01: 32 New
    0
    Quote: traveler
    What are your criteria by which you attribute these or those to terrorists?


    Just like others -
    our rebels and their terrorists;
    our brave scouts and their vile spies;
    our valiant warriors and their cowardly soldier ...

    Why can they, but not us? laughing

    But seriously - Ernesto Guevara de la Serna aka Che half a century ago, analyzed in detail how the partisans differ from the robber. It turned out that there is only one fundamental difference: public support!
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  • Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 24 November 2015 15: 03 New
    +4
    Quote: Vladimirets

    This is the most logical answer. And see what the Turks do.

    Not men, I'm afraid that there will definitely be no one to write and no reason.
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 24 November 2015 15: 07 New
      +1
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      I'm afraid that there will definitely be no one to write and no reason.

      Sasha, so what now, to get under the key? request
      1. zadorin1974
        zadorin1974 24 November 2015 15: 23 New
        0
        Why climb up? The faster we start acting, the more chances for time for triangles wink
      2. SPACE
        SPACE 24 November 2015 15: 30 New
        +7
        Quote: Vladimirets
        so what now, to climb under the key?

        There was some sort of fog of uncertainty, yet the Russian Air Force relaxed. As if something was missing and here it is, this 5 element ... Revenge is a dish that is eaten cold, these are the rules of a hybrid warrior, the problem will surely be hushed up, but all the same, silly Turks started all this in vain ...
    2. bulvas
      bulvas 24 November 2015 15: 13 New
      +4
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      Quote: Vladimirets

      This is the most logical answer. And see what the Turks do.

      Not men, I'm afraid that there will definitely be no one to write and no reason.



      So hit not in Turkey, but in the territory through which ISIS is supplied and oil is sold
      1. Xsanchez
        Xsanchez 24 November 2015 16: 33 New
        +1
        Why hit, sprinkle from air a fucking number of mines (such as "Petal"), and let them suffer!
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    4. sever.56
      sever.56 24 November 2015 15: 25 New
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      http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2015/013/ufwt76.png

      A map showing the place in which, POSSIBLE, our plane flew over the territory of Turkey ... Distance - 2,89 km ... FOR FIVE MINUTES - TEN WARNINGS ... !!! No comments...
      Stopudovo is a pre-prepared and implemented action designed to provoke Russia into an open military conflict with Turkey, a member of NATO.
      It will not happen. They think with their cliches. The answer will undoubtedly be. But, - not the one on which we are provoked. Russia has many ways to answer, and not even that which is mirror-like or adequate, but asymmetrically place the provocateur in the "pose of the laundress" ... !!!
      1. kagorta
        kagorta 24 November 2015 16: 45 New
        +2
        Maximum time 30 seconds to fly.
      2. Weyland
        Weyland 25 November 2015 01: 37 New
        0
        Quote: sever.56
        Distance - 2,89 km ... FOR FIVE MINUTES - TEN WARNINGS ...


        2,89 km in 5 minutes - it's 35 km per hour. This is not even a moped speed!
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  • vorobey
    vorobey 24 November 2015 15: 08 New
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    Quote: Vladimirets
    This is the most logical answer.


    Zheka hi .. I just posted it in the next branch .. I’ll repeat ... any group is like a family and the loss just doesn’t go away .. I think the VKS pilots (and whoever said that special caste as submariners) have already passed their sentence. .. you don’t have to shoot down .. I think the pilots know how to simply make someone else’s plane crash ... although I think that the Turks will no longer fly to Syria ..

    I would like to hear the opinion of the feathered brothers .. can it be done in a civilized way?
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 24 November 2015 15: 14 New
      +3
      Quote: vorobey
      I think the pilots know how to simply make someone else’s plane crash ...

      Hello, Sanya. Tickle something?
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    3. Air Force captain
      Air Force captain 24 November 2015 15: 55 New
      +6
      Quote: vorobey
      Quote: Vladimirets
      This is the most logical answer.


      Zheka hi .. I just posted it in the next branch .. I’ll repeat ... any group is like a family and the loss just doesn’t go away .. I think the VKS pilots (and whoever said that special caste as submariners) have already passed their sentence. .. you don’t have to shoot down .. I think the pilots know how to simply make someone else’s plane crash ... although I think that the Turks will no longer fly to Syria ..

      I would like to hear the opinion of the feathered brothers .. can it be done in a civilized way?

      If the enemy is nimble, it’s difficult ... and one from above, the other from below and to the runway ... forcibly land. And only guys from EW can stir up a decent and unreasonable answer
      1. vorobey
        vorobey 24 November 2015 16: 06 New
        +5
        Quote: Captain Air Force
        Quote: vorobey
        Quote: Vladimirets
        This is the most logical answer.


        Zheka hi .. I just posted it in the next branch .. I’ll repeat ... any group is like a family and the loss just doesn’t go away .. I think the VKS pilots (and whoever said that special caste as submariners) have already passed their sentence. .. you don’t have to shoot down .. I think the pilots know how to simply make someone else’s plane crash ... although I think that the Turks will no longer fly to Syria ..

        I would like to hear the opinion of the feathered brothers .. can it be done in a civilized way?

        If the enemy is nimble, it’s difficult ... and one from above, the other from below and to the runway ... forcibly land. And only guys from EW can stir up a decent and unreasonable answer


        now I read TASS only on tape


        15:56:43


        Putin pointed out that Turkey’s appeal to NATO partners in connection with the incident with a Russian plane recalls an attempt to put the alliance in the service of ISIS (the former name of the Islamic State terrorist organization banned in the Russian Federation is TASS).
        .

        15:55:39


        The Turkish military attache in Russia has been called up to the Russian military department, the Russian Defense Ministry said.
        .

        15:54:56


        Russia will not tolerate crimes such as an attack on the Russian Su-24, Russian President Vladimir Putin said.
        .

        15:53:10


        The attack on the Su-24 will have tragic consequences for Russian-Turkish relations, said Russian President Vladimir Putin.
        .

        15:52:23


        The Russian Federation has long fixed oil supplies to Turkey from Syrian regions captured by terrorists, said Russian President Vladimir Putin.
        .

        15:51:48


        The Russian Su-24 did not threaten Turkey in any way; it conducted an operation to combat ISIS (the former name of the Islamic State banned terrorist organization in the Russian Federation - TASS comment) in Syria, Russian President Vladimir Putin said.
    4. andrew42
      andrew42 24 November 2015 18: 03 New
      0
      From the land of Turchins it is more reliable to hammer. It is possible from Kurdish territory. It's time to negotiate with them. In general, it's time to throw everyone to hell out of the Syrian sky.
      1. svd-xnumx
        svd-xnumx 24 November 2015 21: 33 New
        0
        From the land of Turchins it is more reliable to hammer. It is possible from Kurdish territory. It's time to negotiate with them. In general, it's time to throw everyone to hell out of the Syrian sky.
        Recently, they have regularly bombed Kurds, it seems that they’ve only heard about their own and Iraqi ones, they haven’t heard about the Syrian. It is necessary to look for contacts with the Kurdish Workers' Party, the Syrian Kurds mostly go under the Americans, apparently they promised "statehood." And Erdogan wanted to see the territory populated by the Turkmens myself during the partition of Syria am
  • Sober
    Sober 24 November 2015 16: 33 New
    +3
    Quote: Vladimirets
    but can openly declare war on us?

    War is declared, war is on. On all fronts. Only in the initial stage. Everyone is eyeing how not to lose, in which direction to spit. So as not against the wind. And what will happen, no one can guess!
  • ssergn
    ssergn 24 November 2015 17: 49 New
    +4
    The most logical answer:

    1. Declare that any Turkish military board flying into the SAR will be shot down.
    2. Bomber sorties continue to be escorted by fighters.
  • Otshelnik
    Otshelnik 24 November 2015 18: 02 New
    0
    “The Turkish side claims that the Russian plane violated the airspace of our country. If this is true, then in this case one should not have resorted to radical measures, since this led to an escalation of tension between Moscow and Ankara. ” This was exclusively reported to Vesti.Az by a Turkish admiral, retired Soner Polat, commenting on today's incident in northern Syria.

    Recall that the Turkish side shot down a Russian plane in northern Syria. The report on the website of the Turkish Armed Forces says that on November 24 at 09:20 local time (10:20 Moscow time) in the Yailadagh region near the border with Syria, a plane was seen and was later shot down.

    It is noted that the aircraft violated Turkish airspace ten times in five minutes and that a warning was sent to him before the strike.

    The plane was shot down by two F-16 fighters, performing patrols at 09:24 local time, the report said.



    According to the retired admiral, given the fact that the situation is, to put it mildly, problematic, Ankara should use all its efforts to manage the current situation.

    “In fact, Turkey itself has created a crisis situation and now it itself will have to figure it out,” the admiral emphasized.

    Interlocutor of Vesti.Az news agency believes that the medal has two sides and both are problematic.

    “What did this give Turkey? On the one hand, this will lead to a deterioration in the stabilizing relations between Moscow and Ankara, on the other hand, the current situation plays into the hands of Washington and NATO, which use Turkey for their own selfish purposes. The United States behind Turkey, once again did their job. I will not be surprised if tomorrow the United States calls on both sides to resolve the conflict among themselves. But this is the visible side of the iceberg. In fact, Washington pursues only its interests, ”our interlocutor expressed the opinion.

    Soner Polat also noted that Turkey has geopolitical significance.

    “It kinda resembles the 1965 Cuban crisis. In order to resolve the situation, Turkey must resort to diplomatic methods. Unfortunately, we will have to make a lot of efforts to resolve this crisis, which will negatively affect the political and economic relations between the two countries, ”the interlocutor of Vesti.Az said, adding that Ankara should carefully consider its steps to resolve the conflict with jewelry caution.

    The Turkish officer also commented on the views of the Russian political science community that Baku could be the best peacekeeper to resolve the conflict between Ankara and Moscow in this situation. Because Turkey is an ally for Azerbaijan, Russia is a strategic partner.

    “Starting today, a period of“ cooling ”begins in relations between Russia and Turkey. This will begin with the cancellation of Lavrov’s visit to Ankara. There are suggestions that it is unlikely that the Russian Foreign Minister will visit Turkey. Naturally, this is not a very encouraging fact. I am afraid that here the matter will not be limited to one cancellation of the visit. This will lead to a series of troubles.

    If Ilham Aliyev comes up with an initiative for peacekeeping, he will make a significant contribution to Turkish-Russian relations. Turkey should try to resolve the conflict through a third party, and if it is Azerbaijan, it will be better, ”he said.
  • _Vladislav_
    _Vladislav_ 24 November 2015 15: 02 New
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    Russia has a huge set of surgical instruments for anyone to do circumcision.
    Moreover, there is information about the death of one of our pilots. The second is in captivity. What is not a reason.

    PS
    Now called up with a friend, he lives in the Saratov region. Says about three hours ago, a large number of aircraft were lifted from Engels airfield. How many does not know for sure, but it was evident that more than usual, and the rumble said it was the most terrible.

    And this means that Full Combat is possible. In case of a variety of actions.
  • cniza
    cniza 24 November 2015 15: 03 New
    10
    Quote: bulvas
    Massed with missiles on Turkoman and as quickly as possible, before the start of the proceedings



    He will wait, balance everything and answer without emotion and inverted.
    1. Teplohod
      Teplohod 24 November 2015 15: 42 New
      +1
      The thesis is like a blind faith in infallibility. "wait" ... "without emotion" ... hints from the Turks (incident with a drone for example) were already there. waiting for. sometimes it’s advisable to demonstrate and then talk. With the same success, you can write: "Ay-yi-yi enemies, God then he sees everything!" The Turks, read NATO, have demonstrated that they will now begin to talk from this position.
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  • atalef
    atalef 24 November 2015 15: 09 New
    +1
    Quote: bulvas
    Massed with missiles on Turkoman and as quickly as possible, before the start of the proceedings

    In the villages?
    Everyone is just waiting for this (media)
    Quote: _Vladislav_
    Russia has a huge set of surgical instruments for anyone to circumcise

    To cut a lot of tools do not need
    Quote: atk44849
    I want revenge !!! cruel and fair! I'll sit on bread with water! but I want revenge !!!

    Why sit? Can to Syria, volunteer
    1. bulvas
      bulvas 24 November 2015 15: 15 New
      0
      Quote: atalef
      In the villages? Everyone is just waiting for this (media)


      Why in the villages?
      There are channels for the supply of needles and oil transportation, what is the purpose?


      By the way, they have already begun to throw up information that they shot down the Stinger, but they climbed on a high mountain on purpose to get it.

      I heard on P24

      1. 787nkx
        787nkx 24 November 2015 15: 34 New
        +7
        shot down by the "Stinger", but specially climbed onto a high mountain to get it.

        And jumped yet.
      2. silver_roman
        silver_roman 24 November 2015 15: 39 New
        0
        the mountain should be 3 kilometers at least. Like a dryer for 6 flew. For Stinger 3, it’s already a bit much.
    2. architect
      architect 24 November 2015 15: 19 New
      +3
      they don’t take volunteers there, as I’ve taken it all away, but I just don’t want to go into the unknown, because before the Turkmens, the second Chechen vacuum bombs and chemical flamethrowers miraculously cured allah’s brain from a Chechen howl all over the world, but we got it so vacuum bombs on Allahanut Bosko will not hinder Turkmens
    3. aksakal
      aksakal 24 November 2015 15: 19 New
      21
      Quote: atalef
      In the villages?
      Everyone is just waiting for this (media)

      - A 48-hour ultimatum to these Turkmen villages for issuing a pilot ALIVE! No? After 48 hours, Well then, for humane reasons, give an additional 12 hours) - "Whoever didn’t hide is not my fault!" And do not care about the noise - to raze all these villages to the ground! Israel spits - and nothing lives. And the Russians will be able to. It’s possible just by the bombs that are called the “fathers of all bombs”, otherwise they’ve only been tested at the training ground, and nobody knows what they are in the case against the evil villages. So other villages will look - maybe they’ll understand that sitting quietly and sniffing in two holes is somehow more profitable
    4. _Vladislav_
      _Vladislav_ 24 November 2015 15: 25 New
      +8
      Quote: atalef
      To cut a lot of tools do not need

      But here we have a lot.

      In addition, the aircraft may not have been in Turkish airspace.

      Atalef, I basically understood your position on this issue (from your past comments), you believe that Russia will not take any action (power) against Turkey (that Russia is a spineless country). But now, I don’t think that the Turks are now sitting with steel eggs and think that everything will be fine with them.
    5. Serg koma
      Serg koma 24 November 2015 17: 50 New
      +2
      Quote: atalef
      Why sit? Can to Syria, volunteer

      Today I talked with a man, after a terrorist attack with an airplane, under the impression of a girl who died, he has a daughter of the same age, went to the military registration and enlistment office (don’t laugh at a sincere impulse) with a request to send him to Syria ... They sent to another "place" and threatened with a deadline ....
      PS By the way, he is a Muslim by religion.
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    7. Weyland
      Weyland 25 November 2015 01: 42 New
      +1
      Quote: atalef
      In the villages? Everyone is just waiting for this


      You yourself probably after each "Kassam" arrange massive shelling and bombing! Why is it possible for you, but not for us?
  • ultra
    ultra 24 November 2015 15: 13 New
    +3
    Quote: bulvas
    Rocket mass

    Do not write nonsense.
  • Now we are free
    Now we are free 24 November 2015 15: 16 New
    33
    Quote: bulvas
    Massed with missiles on Turkoman and as quickly as possible, before the start of the proceedings


    Greetings Vasily hi
    Emotions, although saints, though righteous, but emotions would be in ... but not immediately ...

    I agree with the arguments described in the article. Although Bagdasarov is a big screamer who moves from a word to a person, in the analysis of BV he, like Satanovsky, is rarely mistaken.
    + Erdogan’s eggs are not from Adamantium to shoot down a nuclear power plane leading the fight against world terrorism (and this is after Paris ...).
    Yesterday, Vladimir Putin signed a lot of agreements in Iran and I think I didn’t conclude a number of mutually beneficial agreements for the general press what the smile from ear to ear of the usually restrained Ayatollah said ...
    What are we observing on the other side of the barricades? The omnipresent and ubiquitous ... Kerry meets with the Saudis and the UAE and also agrees on something very important + Before that, the United States will intensify its work with the Turks on the border with Syria ...
    And here is the apogee of the downed plane of the Russian Air Force ...
    Turkey, like Georgia, as well as Ukraine, was brought directly to Russia in the hope that the Russian Federation would react instantly. This is what they are waiting for, and therefore they must hurry slowly ... And do not forget that Turkey, albeit "Zhukhly", is a member of NATO.
    “Calibrate” Turkey, in any case, the base from which the Turkish sniper plane took off, we always have time, as well as send Turkey to the place where the Balts have been going for a long time (in terms of Russian tourists visiting these countries). Calm guys, calmly, let’s start by waiting for the performance of the “Supreme”, in any case, he owns a more complete picture of what is happening than we all do, and he also decides ...

    Measure seven times, cut once, so that it no longer grows ...
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    2. bulvas
      bulvas 24 November 2015 15: 22 New
      +1
      Quote: Now we are free
      Emotions, although saints, though righteous, but emotions would be in ... but not immediately ...


      Iskander (worthy name), good day.

      I do not urge (and generally, still in my mind) to strike at Turkey.

      We are talking about the territory of Syria, where there are Turkomans, from which they prepare militant units and through which there is transport from the igil in both directions
    3. Watchdog
      Watchdog 24 November 2015 15: 33 New
      +1
      All this fuss has its own customer and instigator. It is necessary to work with him.
    4. Fat
      Fat 24 November 2015 15: 51 New
      0
      Well, VVR cannot be suspected of haste. And the answer will be, and it seems to me such that no one will seem a little. Yes, and the aerospace forces will now ridge this border zone not weakly
    5. DenZ
      DenZ 24 November 2015 15: 53 New
      0
      Measure seven times, cut once, so that it no longer grows ...

      Measure seven times - one calibrate.
    6. DenZ
      DenZ 24 November 2015 15: 53 New
      0
      Measure seven times, cut once, so that it no longer grows ...

      Measure seven times - one calibrate.
      1. BIGLESHIY
        BIGLESHIY 24 November 2015 16: 40 New
        0
        Quote: DenZ
        Measure seven times, cut once, so that it no longer grows ...

        Measure seven times - one calibrate.

        Calibrate seven times, scalp once.
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  • OlegLex
    OlegLex 24 November 2015 15: 23 New
    +1
    we are being drawn into the war openly, which is a hell of a massive shelling, here his Turkish mother needs to think and not shoot in the white light like a pretty penny, here we need a tooth for a tooth and to the glands.
  • samoletil18
    samoletil18 24 November 2015 15: 25 New
    +1
    Quote: bulvas
    Massed with missiles on Turkoman and as quickly as possible, before the start of the proceedings

    First you need to bail out the pilots, and then ... then hep all the suspicious elements.
  • Doomph
    Doomph 24 November 2015 15: 30 New
    0
    Who is this? I think that such a nationality no longer exists. IMHO.
  • fif21
    fif21 24 November 2015 15: 33 New
    +4
    Quote: bulvas
    Massed with missiles on Turkoman and as quickly as possible, before the start of the proceedings

    This is not enough. Set of events. Destruction of the Islamic State Oil Flow to Turkey. Supply of modern weapons to the Kurds. Refusal to recognize "moderate" opposition. Destruction of Turkish aircraft invading Syrian airspace. Diplomatic efforts, economic constraints. The Turks knew very well that Russian aerospace forces do not pose a threat to Turkey! This is a clear provocation.
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  • ZU-23
    ZU-23 24 November 2015 15: 40 New
    +2
    By any provocation, and they had long dreamed about it, it is strange that we were not ready for this and did not suppress them with Rab.
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  • NEXUS
    NEXUS 24 November 2015 15: 47 New
    +5
    Quote: bulvas
    Massed with missiles on Turkoman and as quickly as possible, before the start of the proceedings

    Turkey is not a banana republic, it must be understood. And it also has missiles and a strong army and navy. In addition, they are the main strategic ally of the United States in the Middle East and how NATO will respond to "Massively rocketed by Turkoman" is a big question. Besides, Charles de Gaulle is standing near our naval group, and France is also a member of NATO. Here and think about it all, saying such ura-slogans.
    1. perm23
      perm23 24 November 2015 16: 51 New
      +2
      think about what. so that we don’t arrive, it has already arrived. When you protect your family, you will also think about your child, and suddenly the bandits are stronger, there are more of them, so what. think maybe it’ll blow it well think it hit raped, I'll think about it.
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 24 November 2015 17: 43 New
        +2
        Quote: perm23
        what if the bandits are stronger, there are more of them, so is it

        And is it stronger or weaker here, dear? Yell-beat the Turks! You don’t need to think much about the consequences. And if you’re thinking about the consequences of the war against Turkey now, are you personally sure that the US and NATO will not harness Erdogan? not in cowardice, but in cold-blooded decision-making and adequate actions. And "give in the face" will always have time.
        1. svd-xnumx
          svd-xnumx 24 November 2015 21: 49 New
          +1
          And here is stronger or weaker, dear? Yell-beat the Turks!
          So the man didn’t call on the Turks to bomb, but on the Turkoman, you’re kidding the Turkish "relatives" living in Syria
          Quote: bulvas
          Massed with missiles on Turkoman and as quickly as possible, before the start of the proceedings
          who shot the pilots from the ground. But first find out about the fate of the pilots, and then hit negative
    2. Weyland
      Weyland 25 November 2015 01: 46 New
      +1
      Quote: NEXUS
      how NATO will respond to "Massively rocketed by Turkoman" is a big question.


      What is their dog business?
      You, by the way, didn’t confuse the Turkoman with the Turks? wink
    3. Weyland
      Weyland 25 November 2015 01: 46 New
      0
      Quote: NEXUS
      how NATO will respond to "Massively rocketed by Turkoman" is a big question.


      What is their dog business?
      You, by the way, didn’t confuse the Turkoman with the Turks? wink
  • Xsanchez
    Xsanchez 24 November 2015 16: 18 New
    +1
    What's wrong with the pilots? That's the most important thing now.
  • Ramzaj99
    Ramzaj99 24 November 2015 16: 23 New
    +1
    Ub.yudki must answer with blood ......
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  • 2s1122
    2s1122 24 November 2015 16: 39 New
    +1
    In some cases, this is a clear provocation of Erdogan. Recently, Cameron declared that Russia could commit an act of aggression against NATO member countries.
  • andrew42
    andrew42 24 November 2015 17: 55 New
    0
    I support. The government Syrian army is delivering a massive blow to terrorists near the Turkish border.
  • Vadim237
    Vadim237 24 November 2015 18: 59 New
    0
    Better mass support on the part of Russia of the Worker-Peasant Party of Kurdistan.
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  • Scoun
    Scoun 24 November 2015 14: 55 New
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    Chairman of the PIR Center Council, Lieutenant General of the Reserve Yevgeny Buzhinsky: “It is very difficult to judge now, because the information is fragmentary and contradictory. Turks do not deny that they shot down. Another thing is that they claim that we flew into their airspace. Allegedly they tried to contact, they did not succeed, then the F-16 shot him down. This is all in doubt for me. First, the Americans and I signed a protocol to prevent air incidents. I am absolutely convinced that all US allies are aware of the contents of this protocol. Our pilots are also instructed. Even if the plane flew 1 km into Turkish territory - this, of course, is no reason to shoot it down. Airspace violation is when a Korean plane that was shot down in 1983 entered Soviet airspace for several hundred kilometers and was there for several hours. I think the Turks shot down the plane with a rocket, and not with the F-16s. A clearly unfriendly act, and of course there will be consequences. Not military, of course, military, I am sure, will not be.

    Erdogan deliberately went to this provocation ... he deliberately plays the Ottoman / Turkic card using the manners of the possessed ...
    It is necessary to help the Iraqi and Syrian Kurds .... and certainly the Kurds in Turkey ...
    1. fif21
      fif21 24 November 2015 15: 37 New
      0
      Quote: Scoun
      Erdogan deliberately went to this provocation
      And how many more will be from the "partners"?
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    3. perm23
      perm23 24 November 2015 16: 52 New
      +3
      Need Kurdistan. And then they all beat us in the underbelly, we need to give our neighbors a headache too, so as not to get bored.
    4. star44
      star44 24 November 2015 16: 56 New
      +1
      [, It is necessary to help Iraqi and Syrian Kurds .... and certainly the Kurds in Turkey ... [/ quote]

      Yes, just to voice the idea of ​​the Kurds' right to their state identity and the possibility of recognizing the territory occupied by the Kurds as state ... Then the show will begin ... And how long after this Erdogan will be able to keep his state ports ...
    5. atalef
      atalef 24 November 2015 20: 11 New
      +1
      Quote: Scoun
      Erdogan deliberately went to this provocation ... he deliberately plays the Ottoman / Turkic card using the manners of the possessed ...

      Of course I was, but here's why - we must try to understand this.
      This was not a mistake, Turkey had enough time to grind this through the deep channels and imagine it was a mistake or better that the plane was hit by rebels (all the more, Peskov’s first statement hinted at MANPADS or a crash)
      But they didn’t even bother and somehow contact, but stated right away that they had shot down and went to consult with NATO.
      The game is just beginning, the Turks in general are not fools - they count, make bets and have trump cards - without this, no one starts such a game.
      1. Hello
        Hello 24 November 2015 20: 21 New
        +1
        Quote: atalef
        Of course I was, but here's why - we must try to understand this.
        This was not a mistake, Turkey had enough time to grind this through the deep channels and imagine it was a mistake or better that the plane was hit by rebels (all the more, Peskov’s first statement hinted at MANPADS or a crash)
        But they didn’t even bother and somehow contact, but stated right away that they had shot down and went to consult with NATO.
        The game is just beginning, the Turks in general are not fools - they count, make bets and have trump cards - without this, no one starts such a game.

        Hi Alexander, it seems to me they are dizzy with success. After the terrorist attacks in Paris, Europe literally gave them carte blanche, it remains only to finish in Syria and we can say it was all possible. But here in Syria you understand Russia is in the way. because for some reason they believe that Russia will swallow a downed plane. I don’t know what they are coming from, but it seems to me that a downed plane was a mistake for them. I can’t be responsible for Russia, but in my opinion such things cannot be swallowed, because authority is earned for years and disappears in one day. IMHO
        1. atalef
          atalef 24 November 2015 20: 42 New
          +1
          Quote: Hello
          Hi Alexander, I think they are dizzy with success. After the terrorist attacks in Paris, Europe literally gave them carte blanche, it remains only to finish in Syria and we can say it was all possible

          Hey . Ilya.
          Well, and what side is the Russian plane here?
          And Europe didn’t have any particular hopes for Turkey, they then understand who organized the flow of refugees (having opened the borders) to Europe.
          Quote: Hello
          And here in Syria you understand Russia is in the way

          in Syria, Russia does not interfere. the result is vseravno known and understandable, for 50 days - success is minimal. And without SSA to achieve any real.
          Question about eggs. it is supported by something or not and what is behind Turkey and its demarche.

          Quote: Hello
          It seems to me that they deliberately went into conflict, because for some reason they believe that Russia will swallow a downed plane.

          About identity, and I think about it. the question is not that. what swallows this one. but in that. what can the next afford, and the possibility of such (as you understand), if not with them, then the SSA - have
          Quote: Hello
          I don’t know what they come from, but it seems to me that a downed plane was a mistake for them.

          This will only show the time, the next 3 days and for Russia (no matter how strange it sounds), but a good option. if the co-pilot died the same.
          maybe bargaining is a bargaining. and this is for a long time and the media will try to inflate it to the maximum.
          1. Hello
            Hello 24 November 2015 21: 18 New
            +1
            Quote: atalef
            This will only show the time, the next 3 days and for Russia (no matter how strange it sounds), but a good option. if the co-pilot died the same.
            maybe bargaining is a bargaining. and this is for a long time and the media will try to inflate it to the maximum.

            You know, maybe you’re right, but I would have kicked the Russians in place, and there wouldn’t grow grass there. This littleness, of course, and serious uncles do nothing seriously without thinking, but this is not the case when flyers who are already shot down from the ground are killed, and then over the corpses being bullied, not humanly angry
            1. Wheel
              Wheel 24 November 2015 21: 24 New
              +2
              Quote: Hello
              but I would have kicked in place of the Russians, and there the grass does not grow.
              Not with our "decision makers."
              Alas.
      2. Weyland
        Weyland 25 November 2015 01: 51 New
        0
        Quote: atalef
        Turks, in general, are not fools - they calculate, place bets and have trump cards - without this, no one starts such a game.


        Have you heard about the Battle of Navarino (1829)? The Turks were stupid to kill parliamentarians from countries performing a peacekeeping mission (Russia, England and France). Both England and France were really on the side of the Turks, but after such chaos they simply were forced together with ours explain to the Turks all the perniciousness of their mistakes ...
  • kil 31
    kil 31 24 November 2015 14: 55 New
    +6
    And for me to poop on political scientists. They always have. and I knew, and I foresaw. If so, why didn't the GRU know?
    1. Darkoff
      Darkoff 24 November 2015 15: 13 New
      +2
      And for me to poop on political scientists. They always have. and I knew, and I foresaw. If so, why didn't the GRU know?

      The article is not about that. The article is a logical conclusion from what has already happened.
    2. star44
      star44 24 November 2015 17: 17 New
      +2
      The Turks warned several times about the answer for crossing their borders ... This is in the spirit of the inflamed Turkish mentality warmed up by the Anglo-Saxon "friends." They flew out to "maybe" - they got a blow in the back. The question is different! Why was there no response from the command in Syria to the warnings? Where is the fighter attack cover? Especially when conducting ground attacks on the border territory ... These are the basics of tactics from the first year of school. But I agree - the answer must be ... And very sensitive for the Ottomans ...
    3. star44
      star44 24 November 2015 17: 17 New
      0
      The Turks warned several times about the answer for crossing their borders ... This is in the spirit of the inflamed Turkish mentality warmed up by the Anglo-Saxon "friends." They flew out to "maybe" - they got a blow in the back. The question is different! Why was there no response from the command in Syria to the warnings? Where is the fighter attack cover? Especially when conducting ground attacks on the border territory ... These are the basics of tactics from the first year of school. But I agree - the answer must be ... And very sensitive for the Ottomans ...
  • dorz
    dorz 24 November 2015 14: 55 New
    +5
    Turk to the answer! Let them not be surprised if the Caliber flies to them "by accident."
  • oldseaman1957
    oldseaman1957 24 November 2015 14: 57 New
    22
    Quote: doom25
    waiting for GDP to say

    There is no talk, here is advice to collect. But with Turkey, the pipeline seemed to be covered.
    Well and CHF!
    1. Mama_Cholli
      Mama_Cholli 24 November 2015 15: 11 New
      +6
      Quote: oldseaman1957
      Quote: doom25
      waiting for GDP to say

      There is no talk, here is advice to collect. But with Turkey, the pipeline seemed to be covered.
      Well and CHF!

      I would not be in a hurry about the pipe. The upper ranks in Russia are more interested in it than the inhabitants of Europe itself. As one old saying goes: Salvage is evil, but at the same time, salvage defeats evil ...

      Although I am personally against this pipe, which should help the rich in Russia live even better, and the poor will become even poorer, because their money (taxpayers) will go to the construction.
    2. aleks 62 next
      aleks 62 next 24 November 2015 15: 37 New
      +8
      ..... But with Turkey, the pipeline seems to have been covered.
      Well and CHF! ...

      .... I agree !!!! ..... We and our descendants will get more .... In general, we urgently need to establish deep processing, and not to drive the raw materials .... There is reason ...
      1. severniy
        severniy 24 November 2015 16: 18 New
        +1
        Quote: aleks 62 next
        ..... But with Turkey, the pipeline seems to have been covered.
        Well and CHF! ...

        .... I agree !!!! ..... We and our descendants will get more .... In general, we urgently need to establish deep processing, and not to drive the raw materials .... There is reason ...

        Yeah ... But what about the salaries of the Millers?
    3. Teplohod
      Teplohod 24 November 2015 16: 05 New
      0
      the pipeline is money, I’m surprised if they refuse it for the sake of ... and for what, actually?
  • sannych
    sannych 24 November 2015 14: 57 New
    62
    The first thing that comes to mind is to cut our electronic warfare gadgets to the fullest and block all the territory accessible to them, let the Turks communicate with each other by means of e-mail. To demand from the Turkoman tribes the extradition of a living pilot and the body of the deceased, as a gesture of goodwill and accelerate the flight of thought from them, to choose a non-residential area in the Turkoman Mountains and, using long-range aviation, completely change the landscape there. By the way, a good way, it was used by General Gromov before the withdrawal of our troops from Afghanistan.
    Forcibly return all tourists from Turkey and close trips there. To suspend all projects with the Turkish side, no matter how beneficial they are to us. to warn all Turkish firms operating in Russia that within two weeks they should finish all their business in Russia. Raise the theme of human rights in Turkey in relation to Turkish Kurds at the UN. Ask Assad to officially grant autonomy to Syrian Kurds.
    On the vskidku.
    1. AnpeL
      AnpeL 24 November 2015 15: 52 New
      +3
      The first thing that comes to mind is to cut our electronic warfare gadgets to the fullest and block all the territory accessible to them, let the Turks communicate with each other by means of e-mail. To demand from the Turkoman tribes the extradition of a living pilot and the body of the deceased, as a gesture of goodwill and accelerate the flight of thought from them, to choose a non-residential area in the Turkoman Mountains and, using long-range aviation, completely change the landscape there. By the way, a good way, it was used by General Gromov before the withdrawal of our troops from Afghanistan.
      Forcibly return all tourists from Turkey and close trips there. To suspend all projects with the Turkish side, no matter how beneficial they are to us. to warn all Turkish firms operating in Russia that within two weeks they should finish all their business in Russia. Raise the theme of human rights in Turkey in relation to Turkish Kurds at the UN. Ask Assad to officially grant autonomy to Syrian Kurds.
      On the vskidku.

      A good plan, only one of our powerful ones will abandon their silver coins (even promising ones) for the downed plane and injured pilots
    2. Xsanchez
      Xsanchez 24 November 2015 16: 49 New
      0
      Recall the Armenian Genocide! Return the cities given by Lenin back.
  • superpuxa
    superpuxa 24 November 2015 14: 58 New
    10
    The main thing is not words, but actions.
  • 79807420129
    79807420129 24 November 2015 14: 58 New
    15
    Smoked made such an offer that he couldn’t refuse, a provocation, I won’t believe that without the support of smoked Erdogan would have ordered a Russian plane to be shot down.
  • Darkoff
    Darkoff 24 November 2015 14: 58 New
    30
    Quote: doom25
    waiting for GDP to say

    Without waiting for an answer from the GDP, we together stop going there to rest and buy Turkish clothes!
    1. Fat
      Fat 24 November 2015 15: 57 New
      +2
      and from this it will be the most terrible blow to the economy. the Turks on the coast will howl.
  • DenZ
    DenZ 24 November 2015 15: 05 New
    0
    Quote: doom25
    waiting for GDP to say

    Or what he will do.
  • varov14
    varov14 24 November 2015 15: 16 New
    +3
    You can’t be offended by friends and partners, but what about a gas pipe, and what will Marya Ivanovna say?
  • shvn
    shvn 24 November 2015 15: 18 New
    0
    Fuck you wait ...
  • Wild_grey_wolf
    Wild_grey_wolf 24 November 2015 15: 18 New
    +2
    If it really is, oh, it's even hard to describe what will happen.
  • RUS96
    RUS96 24 November 2015 15: 19 New
    +2
    NATO convened an emergency meeting because of the downed Su-24. The race began to stir ...
    1. fif21
      fif21 24 November 2015 15: 44 New
      +1
      Quote: RUS96
      NATO convened an emergency meeting because of the downed Su-24. The race began to stir ...
      If they had knocked down a mattress, then that would mean the beginning of hostilities! Looks like the Turks are again pushing for a war with Russia (oh yeah, are all the sauces repeating?)
      1. KaPToC
        KaPToC 24 November 2015 20: 22 New
        0
        The answer is not the Turks individually, but the whole of NATO. Shoot down an American plane, not a Turkish one.
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  • chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 24 November 2015 15: 20 New
    +2
    Quote: doom25
    waiting for GDP to say

    It will be menacingly silent. This is all and has long been known.
  • Saburov
    Saburov 24 November 2015 15: 35 New
    +8
    There are eight of them - we are two. The alignment before the fight
    Not ours, but we will play!
    Seryozha! Hold on, we do not shine with you
    But the trump cards must be equalized.

    I will not leave this pinned square.
    The numbers are not important to me now, -
    Today my friend protects my back
    So, the chances are equal.

    “Messer” came into my tail, but now he smoked,
    Screws howled impatiently.
    They don’t even need crosses to the graves,
    Crosses will come down on wings too!

    - I am “First”, I am “First” - they are under you,
    I came across them.
    Knock down the flames! Get out into the clouds! I'll cover!
    There are no miracles in battle!

    Sergei! You are burning! Hope man
    Now for the reliability of the sling!
    Not! Late - and Messer came out to meet me.
    Goodbye! I will take him in the forehead.

    I know others will settle accounts with them.
    And gliding through the clouds
    Our souls take off like two planes
    After all, they can’t live without each other.

    The archangel will tell us: "Heaven will be tight!"
    But only the gate is a click
    We will ask God: "Enter us with a friend
    To some angel regiment! "

    And I will ask God, the Spirit and the Son,
    To fulfill my will:
    May my friend protect my back forever
    Like in this last fight.

    We will ask wings and arrows from God
    After all, they need an angel ace,
    And if they have a lot of fighters,
    Let them write to us as guardians.

    Keeping is an honor, too,
    Good luck to carry on the wing
    The same as when we were with Sergei,
    Both in the air and on the earth.
  • Skif83
    Skif83 24 November 2015 15: 35 New
    +4
    And what can he (or should) say?
    Such things must be answered with action and tough!
    So that no one doubts that an answer is inevitable.
    Only yesterday wrote that the Tureks are our eternal enemies, and believe them, do not respect yourself.
    Militarily, we need a tough (I repeat), even a cruel answer.
    And in terms of the economy, in the place of our lovers of Turkish exoticism, I would declare a tourist boycott, it will be sensitive for the Tureks.

    In my opinion, all this happens because our political leadership does not bring to the logical end a single thing. Of course, this is not Eltsin’s timelessness, but they don’t finish it!

    They returned the Crimea. Well, no words! Logic suggests that in the form of an enclave the Crimea will require quite high costs, and including and permanent.
    I needed Donbass, Zaporozhye, Kherson region, i.e. land territory associated with the Crimea.

    They started supporting Donbass, did not finish it (yet), extended it for years.
    You already decide, help, and all of our humanitarian convoys and other help, including the military is not cheap. Yes, Donbass in this situation is better than nothing and, especially, an enemy at the borders. so what ... pull the cat for ...?

    About Zaporozhye and Kherson and speech, so far, no. Although, as they assure us, the people are against the Kiev junta.

    Started an operation in Syria. Fine.
    But if we demonstrate "Caliber", then we must respond to the provocation of the Tureks in a tough military way! Otherwise, the whole world sees that Russia seems to be declaring its strength, and before the Turks passes. Those. not so strong as Russia declares?
    Or is there simply not enough political will?
    These “no matter what happened” brought to the unpunished flight of Rust and landing on the holy of holies of Red Square!
    In short, if we are strong, we must be strong always, and not selectively!
    1. perm23
      perm23 24 November 2015 16: 56 New
      +1
      This is so that we all do not bring to the logical end. And you want it and it’s pricked and my mother doesn’t order it. We have taken it to bring the matter to the end and not to leave it halfway.
  • PQ-18
    PQ-18 24 November 2015 15: 50 New
    0
    ALREADY! ...
    just GDP at a meeting with the king of Jordan made a HARD statement ...
    The Turks - LAUGHING, Putin - angry and decisive ..
    NATO cowardly and urgently convenes an emergency meeting their jackals "groups of comrades" ...
  • Mik-51
    Mik-51 24 November 2015 15: 51 New
    0
    Quote: doom25
    waiting for GDP to say



    He just called it "... a treacherous stab in the back ..."
    in a meeting with the king of Jordan.
    This is serious...
    1. shvn
      shvn 24 November 2015 16: 09 New
      0
      what is the seriousness?
  • aba
    aba 24 November 2015 15: 59 New
    0
    Already said and dotted all the "i"
  • perm23
    perm23 24 November 2015 16: 06 New
    0
    Just at a meeting with the king of Jordan he said. We will understand. considered Turkey a friendly country. And shot down by a fighter. I hope that we can respond well.
  • KVS
    KVS 24 November 2015 22: 25 New
    0
    why wait?
    it is necessary to iron this entire section of the terrain and iron it without ceasing in the future, so that the Ishilians could not leave Syria and move to the outskirts ...
  • Drmadfisher
    Drmadfisher 25 November 2015 01: 49 New
    0
    we had such a letter "yat." So, yat - I hate TurkMAN and TurkOFF
  • Humpty
    Humpty 24 November 2015 14: 54 New
    +4
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfbOxkAZwdg
  • Darkoff
    Darkoff 24 November 2015 14: 54 New
    19
    Turkey intentionally impedes the military operation of the Russian Aerospace Forces in Syria, as this prevents Ankara from buying cheap oil from ISIS. This was announced on the air of LifeNews television channel by the director of the center for strategic conditions Ivan Konovalov. According to him, the destruction of the Russian Su-24 is a provocation.

    “We need to fight against ISIS. And if the Turks put sticks in the wheels, then this will lead to a cooling of relations to a level below zero, which will primarily hit Turkey, ”Konovalov said.

    According to the publication, the great role in the oil business of Turkey and ISIS is played by the son of President Recep Tayyip Erdogan - Bilal Erdogan. The attacks of the Russian air forces on the columns of the “Islamic State” fuel trucks inflict enormous damage on both the terrorists and the Erdoganov family.
    1. Korney84
      Korney84 24 November 2015 14: 55 New
      +7
      Turkey is participating in international provocation.
  • oldseaman1957
    oldseaman1957 24 November 2015 14: 54 New
    12
    Let them and their prime minister kiss at least gums, but they must answer for ours!
  • Air Force captain
    Air Force captain 24 November 2015 14: 55 New
    17
    An eye for an eye......
    1. aksakal
      aksakal 24 November 2015 15: 02 New
      -15
      Quote: Captain Air Force
      An eye for an eye......
      - I’ve never seen F-16 and F-15 shot down in aerial combat during my life, which gives Amers a reason to seriously speak about the invulnerability of these aircraft ... Maybe restraint is enough? The Turks are clearly provoking - it's time to test NATO for cohesion. I’m sure they won’t fit in, but endure such a spit - tomorrow everyone will be lazy to shoot down Russian planes.

      Russian forum users, excuse me, in short, if you wipe yourself off after such a spit, at least voice the price list, how much can your Sushka be brought down for? You have no pride, so at least you will earn money ... I, if that’s not so, SU-24, I want to knock down SU-34 laughing
      1. shvn
        shvn 24 November 2015 15: 30 New
        +6
        Yes, man, if only something depended on the members of the forum ... So, chatter one from powerlessness ...
      2. Wedmak
        Wedmak 24 November 2015 15: 33 New
        +1
        Maybe enough restraint?

        You yourself now do not provoke? More accurate. As if instead of the price list not to get a full receipt ... under Khokhloma.
      3. DEMENTIY
        DEMENTIY 24 November 2015 15: 40 New
        0
        Quote: aksakal
        Russian forum users, excuse me, in short, if you wipe yourself off after such a spit, at least voice the price list, how much can your Sushka be brought down for? You have no pride, so at least you will earn money ... I, if that’s not so, SU-24, I want to knock down SU-34 laughing


        Well, you "aksakal" and issued!
        1. aksakal
          aksakal 24 November 2015 16: 13 New
          +3
          Quote: DEMENTIY


          Well, you "aksakal" and issued!
          - on emotions. But really rub yourself, not the first time. They wiped themselves out several times when the “Ukrainians” wet your border guards, seriously believing that Russia was already at war in Donetsk, and they were miraculously in the rear, and now they will carry out a heroic raid on the rear of the “occupier” and will return home with gays. It was? It was ... And sho? For those frontier guards, whoever carried the thread?
          In Odessa, a stone's throw from the Crimean group of forces, which could be used as a bridgehead for the preparation of a special operation by the MTR (special operations forces) and sitting on complete relaxation, the one who soaked the Russian peacekeepers in South Ossetia and another 69 Russian troops, and nothing, sits to himself and sits. Forgiven? But forgiven ... Only when they forgave, they asked children and mothers, widows, etc. those soaked? Have they forgiven? No?
          And what, am I wrong? And when did it start? When was your ambassador beaten in Qatar? Shawali ... Tom all the teeth were beaten, the jaw was torn down, but he honestly carried out his official duties, but he beat the ambassador ... Where is the parliamentary immunity? That shawala, then the Ukrainians ...
          And now you’re going, you won’t go anywhere. Express your concern to the Turks, maybe hand a protest ... That's all! Only here is what I will tell you - how to "catch" a combat aircraft, wait for the ship. Drown. Not big, but not small ... they’ll drown the Kulakov, I’ll look into the water. After a year and a half or three, remember my words. Who hawala, that feed and feed. Is that why you are offended? I tell a lie? I understand that Putin has done well, he is keeping the interests of the state ... But excessive restraint when moving towards a goal is also worthless - you can’t reach the goal, you’ll run out of blood.
          1. Wedmak
            Wedmak 24 November 2015 16: 27 New
            0
            Do you dance aksakal on bones? So you want to dunk us deeper into the mud? Sip our our mistakes and losses? Ah, how warm it is that Russia once again "forgave", yes? I’d like to provoke us to a big war, so that we get stuck deeper there, so that all reserves go there, so that more of our guys die, and if nuclear weapons are used, it’s fine, Russia will not, and when the radiation weakens, we will divide this territory among ourselves. In my own way.
            SO SOMETHING !! ????
            I did not expect such an abomination from you.
            1. aksakal
              aksakal 24 November 2015 17: 03 New
              -1
              Quote: Wedmak
              I’d like to provoke us to a big war, so that we get stuck deeper there, so that all reserves go there, so that more of our children die, and if nuclear weapons are used, it’ll be fine, Russia will not, and when the radiation weakens, we will divide this territory among ourselves. In my own way.
              “The Witcher, why did the fantasy happen?” I’m just provoking you to put pressure (and if you fall all together, it’s such a blogosphere, God forbid, when it wants to, even big bureaucrats get fired under the pressure of the blogosphere) on those who determine foreign policy, first of all on Putin - BE HARDER!
              I know Putin’s position - the most important thing is the final result, and all these provocations are specially done to prevent the achievement of the final goal. Accordingly, when provoked - to clench your teeth and endure, do not respond to provocations, go to the ultimate goal. And Putin is not very right here; one must not confuse the soft with the warm. It is NECESSARY to respond to provocations, but so that it would NOT DISTURB from moving towards your goal, but not a single provocation should be left without an answer either!
              Because provocations are in the habit of growing irresponsibly from irresponsibility, in the end they grow to such a size that the consequences of it are easily interrupting the gesheft from reaching the final goal
              1. Wedmak
                Wedmak 24 November 2015 17: 21 New
                0
                Just provoke you to put pressure

                Oh really? That is, expressing their thoughts, which clearly do not contribute to calming emotions. It goes right through your expressions. Shawali - what kind of word is this? What kind of gateway slang? It seems that you are just relishing the downing of an airplane. Or am I wrong?
                Because provocations are in the habit of growing irresponsibly from irresponsibility, in the end they grow to such a size that the consequences of it are easily interrupting the gesheft from reaching the final goal

                Do you know her ultimate goal? Or do you disagree that this is a stab in the back? Or are you not aware that recently different forces have been stepping up, striving if Russia is destroyed? If you answer blow to blow, to every provocation, the whole world would already be ablaze in fire. I am not saying that there is no need to answer. But you do not know what happened after the conflicts you identified at the highest level.

                Each such incident is a provocation. Then to accuse us of something and get the basis for further pressure.
                Yes, figs to you!
                1. Humpty
                  Humpty 24 November 2015 17: 51 New
                  0
                  Quote: Wedmak
                  Shawali - what kind of word is this? What kind of gateway slang?

                  No need to attach importance to this. It is customary for them, irrespective of the formation of age and position.
                  You’ll learn even better soon.
                  1. Wedmak
                    Wedmak 24 November 2015 17: 57 New
                    0
                    No need to attach importance to this.

                    Well hello, come. If “they,” as you put it, are expressed as they want, then why should I not respond to them?
                    We also have something accepted.
          2. perm23
            perm23 24 November 2015 17: 02 New
            +2
            Yeah tough, you are with us. Only it is not us but the authorities reproach. Although us too. I don’t want to wipe myself. I hope to wipe the nose of another. The fact is that Russia is a peaceful country, well, we do not like to kill, we endure. We do not like to wave fists. We are all waiting for the enemy to understand and grow wiser. But if that. little will not seem. I don’t want to bring it to this. Well, let's see.
      4. perm23
        perm23 24 November 2015 16: 13 New
        +1
        People do not mind. What the pilots did to you. And about Turkey, I hope we will answer.
      5. KaPToC
        KaPToC 24 November 2015 20: 37 New
        0
        Ask Ukraine for the price list.
        About ... all the state’s provocateur export to Russia.
        Now all tourists are chkas, all Turkish imports of chkas to Russia. And there they will pull out plans to capture the straits from under the cloth, as it successfully coincided with the strengthening of the transport component of the Black Sea fleet!
  • marna
    marna 24 November 2015 14: 55 New
    11
    Let's hope that the reaction of the Russian Aerospace Forces will be very tough and unambiguous, so that the Turks would not continue to be habituated.
    The main thing is that everything should be in order with the pilots.
    1. DenZ
      DenZ 24 November 2015 15: 33 New
      0
      Alas, not everything is all right with them. They persistently write that one died in captivity. That is, it is not clear whether he will be released from captivity and in what order it will be.
      1. aksakal
        aksakal 24 November 2015 16: 46 New
        +2
        Quote: DenZ
        That is, it is not clear whether he will be released from captivity and in what order it will be.
        - as if the "Jordanian" version of the Turkoman would not give you request I think that now the algorithm should be like that - by all means find pilots and take all measures to save them, including the involvement of special operations forces and tough ultimatums and even ransoms, to hell with him. After their rescue, clarify the picture of what happened, then calmly and with all present to the culprit, and how much it will cost him. If the pilots are alive - the cost of the aircraft + the cost of their salvation and all this forced engine + official apologies + these measures to block the supply of IS from Turkey. The pilots died - a round sum of compensation is added to the state and the families of the victims.
        Turkey refuses - let their F-16s fly from now on and look around. This time. The Kurds will have good air defense systems - these are two. The Kurds will have their own aviation and trained pilots - these are two. Let from simple planes like those of the Yakov training and combat, but its own aviation. The Urds will have their own armored vehicles, not Armata, of course, but the T-72s of the latest modifications, good artillery, albeit not from the Coalitions, but the MSTA-B. That’s enough for the Turks, the Kurds will tear them to pieces in the next clash with the help of this ass.
        If Putin is really vindictive, then he will act like that. And shoot down the F-16 in response - that goes without saying. Where-the thread over the allied Armenia in violation of the Armenian airspace catch p-anyone. I think that the downed F-16 + losses up to some territory of Turkey from the actions of the Kurds is a normal payment for today's provocation, it would be just that other countries, whose interests somewhere intersected with the Russian ones, would have thought 10 times, and is it worth it? Each country has its own Kurds.
    2. DenZ
      DenZ 24 November 2015 15: 33 New
      0
      Alas, not everything is all right with them. They persistently write that one died in captivity. That is, it is not clear whether he will be released from captivity and in what order it will be.
  • Yarik
    Yarik 24 November 2015 14: 56 New
    23
    we know very well how and why the Turks periodically fly to Syria, for some reason I’m sure. that they have flown over Syria, ONCE and FOREVER!
    1. shvn
      shvn 24 November 2015 15: 32 New
      0
      And for some reason, I think that they will continue to be our "partners" ... (((
    2. fif21
      fif21 24 November 2015 15: 50 New
      +1
      Quote: Yarik
      I’m sure for some reason. that they have flown over Syria, ONCE and FOREVER!
      And it will be fair!
    3. Russiamoy
      Russiamoy 24 November 2015 18: 47 New
      +1
      why do they even fly there like the planes of some European countries? this is a rhetorical question
  • atk44849
    atk44849 24 November 2015 14: 56 New
    31
    I want revenge !!! cruel and fair! I'll sit on bread with water! but I want revenge !!!
    1. Scoun
      Scoun 24 November 2015 15: 02 New
      +6
      Quote: atk44849
      I want revenge !!! cruel and fair! I'll sit on bread with water! but I want revenge !!!

      here I am also knocking on the keyboard ... I want to threaten them with all kinds of punishments .. but in fact it is necessary to start protesting at their embassies and consulates (although the Turks have already organized such a practice, but because of poor education and organization .. they threw eggs at the Netherlands consulate).
    2. aksakal
      aksakal 24 November 2015 15: 12 New
      +5
      Quote: atk44849
      I want revenge !!! cruel and fair! I'll sit on bread with water! but I want revenge !!!
      - I don’t really understand what lards are a loss to the Turks? Tourism restriction? It goes without saying! But before that, at least two downed F-16s are required, and then you can punish them with lards. You can rearrange, but do not miss out of these two! And the whole world must see it!
  • Llirik
    Llirik 24 November 2015 14: 56 New
    12
    Such a provocation comes back to Erdogan as a loss of the country. You just have to wait a bit ...
    1. shvn
      shvn 24 November 2015 15: 37 New
      +1
      Years a hundred or more?
      1. Llirik
        Llirik 24 November 2015 15: 39 New
        0
        I know a lot, but I'm not omniscient ... (c)
    2. Fat
      Fat 24 November 2015 16: 17 New
      +1
      help is also needed, including by banning flights. to pull out tourists and cover the shop for the construction and supply of products. this will be cruel. for the loss of dough, the Turks themselves will tear Erdogash and his family to shreds
  • Anton071
    Anton071 24 November 2015 14: 56 New
    11
    Tooth by Tooth ...
  • gas113
    gas113 24 November 2015 14: 56 New
    13
    Obviously a provocation, there is no need to be an expert. That’s who is a comrade of DAYES and who has something to lose in Syria. As they say masks are reset ....
  • PQ-18
    PQ-18 24 November 2015 14: 57 New
    31
    1.Radically disrupt oil supplies through Syria to Turkey by all possible means ...
    2. Close the Turkish tourist destination.
    3. Freeze a number of joint economic projects ...
    4. Strengthen our air force and air defense force in Syria
    5. (And, just in case)) .. Shoot down a couple of Turkish planes (helicopters) approaching the border of Syria ..
    6. Temporarily WITHDRAW the Russian ambassador from Turkey.
    PS in general, you need to break the Turkish jackals "point to pieces"! angry
    1. atalef
      atalef 24 November 2015 15: 02 New
      -22
      Quote: PQ-18
      .Radically disrupt oil supplies through Syria to Turkey by all possible means ...

      It has long been necessary to do
      Quote: PQ-18
      Close turkish tourist destination.

      Problem
      Quote: PQ-18
      Freeze a number of joint economic projects ...

      Even bigger problem
      Quote: PQ-18
      Strengthen our air force and air defense force in Syria


      already increased

      Quote: PQ-18
      . Shoot down their plane approaching the border of Syria ..

      The option is possible, but they have the same answers.
      As a result, they came to ..... How many Russian Federation has lost grandmothers from Syria and everything else?
      Is Assad worth it?
      1. PQ-18
        PQ-18 24 November 2015 15: 11 New
        10
        1. have closed Egypt, we will close Turkey (question 2-3 weeks)!
        2. The gas pipeline can AGAIN "wag" through Bulgaria ...
        3. The ground air defense group in Syria is local, as the Assad army advances, the air defense group will expand and strengthen ..
        4.Without destroying their aircraft in the border (Kurdish or other) zone, the Turks WILL NOT UNDERSTAND ...
        1. PQ-18
          PQ-18 24 November 2015 16: 07 New
          +3
          Turkey must lose Northern Cyprus and Syrian territories, which it has illegally occupied!
        2. Fat
          Fat 24 November 2015 16: 19 New
          0
          to support the Kurds. but carefully. then Assad will start drinking blood. they’re
      2. builder
        builder 24 November 2015 15: 12 New
        +9
        Quote: atalef
        ..How much is the Russian Federation because of Syria's grandmothers and everything else lost?
        Is Assad worth it?

        Not everything is measured by grandmas.
      3. ultra
        ultra 24 November 2015 15: 15 New
        13
        Quote: atalef
        .How much is the Russian Federation because of Syria grandmothers and everything else lost

        Who is talking about and the Jews about grandmothers! laughing
        1. Fat
          Fat 24 November 2015 16: 20 New
          +2
          and what else to expect from the divine
      4. vex
        vex 24 November 2015 15: 19 New
        +3
        How many Russian Federation is there because of Syria's grandmothers and everything else lost?
        Is Assad worth it?

        Compared to the future of Russia, it’s a penny. I hope you will not argue that the appetites of the bearded and their patrons are ending with Syria?
      5. architect
        architect 24 November 2015 15: 23 New
        +1
        Assad may or may not, but the base and the prevention of the Qatari pipe are worth 1000 times more, besides our Alahakbar, who have gone to jihad, are still alive
      6. samoletil18
        samoletil18 24 November 2015 15: 37 New
        0
        Quote: atalef
        How many Russian Federation is there because of Syria's grandmothers and everything else lost?

        For real people, this no longer matters. The rest ... I do not mind neither the calibers, nor the Iskanders, nor even Topol, if necessary.
      7. 787nkx
        787nkx 24 November 2015 15: 45 New
        0
        Is Assad worth it?

        What does Assad have to do with it?
        It's not about him.
        The point is "TOLERANCE."
        Today Syria and Assad have been stoned, tomorrow there’s someone else.
        And when it comes to you, no one comes in and TOLERANCE.
      8. fif21
        fif21 24 November 2015 16: 06 New
        0
        Quote: atalef
        As a result, they came to ..... How much of the Russian Federation is there because of Syria's grandmothers and everything else lost? Is Assad worth it?
        But in Russia, not everything is measured for money. Mattresses promised the EU energy independence from Russia, and Syria to them as a "bone in the throat." So, Syria is a long-term investment in the Russian economy. Russia is a young capitalist country, but fast-trained. The West is still "washing" for the collapse of the USSR and not with soap. And the Turkish traders will sit the fifth point on the Russian oil gas "pipe" hi
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      10. Teplohod
        Teplohod 24 November 2015 16: 40 New
        0
        It’s not Assad’s case. Therefore, a kilogram with a kilometer should not be compared.
        1. atalef
          atalef 24 November 2015 20: 15 New
          0
          Quote: Teplohod
          It’s not Assad’s case. Therefore, a kilogram with a kilometer should not be compared.

          Well, first of all, the matter is in Assad, and I think the Turkish game is built on this.
          And money is all money to one degree or another.
          Russia didn’t just climb into Syria just don’t say that from paternal love for Assad or because of ISIS (find me ISIS in the area where the downed SU was bombed)
          I always said it’s easy to get into the war and it’s very difficult to get out, and most importantly, no one knows how it will end.
      11. Russiamoy
        Russiamoy 24 November 2015 18: 49 New
        0
        you're right. but about Assad, the question is unanswered; you yourself know that Russia has no other choice. (geopolitics)
      12. KaPToC
        KaPToC 24 November 2015 20: 43 New
        0
        Grandmas are just a medium of exchange!
        A means and not an end.
      13. Weyland
        Weyland 25 November 2015 01: 57 New
        0
        Quote: atalef
        Is Assad worth it?


        The guaranteed absence of an oil pipeline from Qatar to Europe is worth a lot!
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    2. user1212
      user1212 24 November 2015 15: 32 New
      +1
      Quote: PQ-18
      1.Radically disrupt oil supplies through Syria to Turkey by all possible means ...
      2. Close the Turkish tourist destination.
      3. Freeze a number of joint economic projects ...
      4. Strengthen our air force and air defense force in Syria
      5. (And, just in case)) .. Shoot down a couple of Turkish planes (helicopters) approaching the border of Syria ..
      6. Temporarily WITHDRAW the Russian ambassador from Turkey.
      PS in general, you need to break the Turkish jackals "point to pieces"!

      1. Actually this has been done for several days. Perhaps this is the reason ...
      2. This is not a question for the government, but for vacationers. Of course, it is possible to ban, but it’s better to do it yourself. Without a pointer above
      3. And so with the economy is not very. And the economy is rockets, and tanks, and ships. Not Turkey is our main enemy.
      4. Conclusions will be made.
      5. But this is not necessary. Only make matters worse. Our pilots will become hostages of the confrontation with NATO. Nobody will allow a full-scale war anyway. But if the Kurds, for whom the Turks like to bomb, have a pair of MANPADS ... then we have nothing to do with it. Although MANPADS are bold. It was still not enough that they began to shoot down passenger planes. Although Turkish. What do people have to do with it? But the Turks need to complicate life.
      6. Not necessary. Childishness is
      1. Wheel
        Wheel 24 November 2015 18: 17 New
        +1
        Quote: user1212
        1. Actually this has been done for several days. Perhaps this is the reason ...
        2. This is not a question for the government, but for vacationers. Of course, it is possible to ban, but it’s better to do it yourself. Without a pointer above
        3. And so with the economy is not very. And the economy is rockets, and tanks, and ships. Not Turkey is our main enemy.
        4. Conclusions will be made.
        5. But this is not necessary. Only make matters worse. Our pilots will become hostages of the confrontation with NATO. Nobody will allow a full-scale war anyway. But if the Kurds, for whom the Turks like to bomb, have a pair of MANPADS ... then we have nothing to do with it. Although MANPADS are bold. It was still not enough that they began to shoot down passenger planes. Although Turkish. What do people have to do with it? But the Turks need to complicate life.
        6. Not necessary. Childishness is

        I read the comment.
        The impression is that you need to wipe yourself tolerantly.
        Yes, however, it will be so with a probability of 99%
  • anderles66
    anderles66 24 November 2015 14: 57 New
    12
    Honestly, I expected something like that. But the Turks chose perhaps the worst option. Worst in every sense. However, there is not enough information yet. We look forward to continuing. The main question is the fate of the pilots, and the rest is a philosophical matter.
    1. Air Force captain
      Air Force captain 24 November 2015 15: 01 New
      +7
      Alas, one has already died
      https://mobile.twitter.com/ustakiloyunu/status/669092768195694592
      link to the photo of the deceased pilot (Turkish tweet) ... with ... ki ... they also put emoticons under the comments ... I will delete ... ki
      Earth rest in peace to the dead. An eye for an eye
    2. Fat
      Fat 24 November 2015 16: 21 New
      0
      and air defense. and they themselves do not fly and not everyone is allowed to fly
  • Lt. Air Force stock
    Lt. Air Force stock 24 November 2015 14: 57 New
    14
    It is impossible to send a completely defenseless Su-24 without cover, and even to the border territory. Won the Americans F-15 Strike Eagle has a good radar, missiles for defense (medium and short-range air-to-air), although the plane is a bomber. If it is not possible to select an escort fighter, then why not send the Su-34 with air-to-air missiles + to the bomb load?
    1. shvn
      shvn 24 November 2015 15: 41 New
      +1
      Apparently our flyers relaxed a bit and flew without cover. At first, fighters always accompanied the bombers, but then for some reason they stopped ...
      1. Lt. Air Force stock
        Lt. Air Force stock 24 November 2015 15: 55 New
        0
        Quote: shvn
        Apparently our flyers relaxed a bit and flew without cover. At first, fighters always accompanied the bombers, but then for some reason they stopped ...

        They didn’t have time to bomb all the targets and now planes fly one at a time, recently.
  • silver169
    silver169 24 November 2015 14: 57 New
    16
    The main thing here is not to rush to extremes, not to make hasty decisions. It is clear that this is a provocation of the Turks. The main overseas puppeteer does not lose hope of drawing Russia into the great European war by any means. I hope that the GDP will make the right, wise decision.
    1. Mama_Cholli
      Mama_Cholli 24 November 2015 15: 16 New
      +3
      I, too, for what would .. shout Turks in their hotels ....
    2. GAF
      GAF 24 November 2015 15: 39 New
      0
      Quote: silver169
      I hope that the GDP will make the right, wise decision.

      Let's hope. There is extra for him. problem with tourists. To give freedom to the beach goers themselves to get to Latakia? In such a hot time did the Avoskins not know that they were going to warm their bodies to hell with horns?
    3. Fat
      Fat 24 November 2015 16: 23 New
      0
      GDP is never in a hurry. The land rest in peace for the pilot. But he will not remain unrevenged. I have no doubt about it
    4. DmitryK
      DmitryK 24 November 2015 17: 41 New
      0
      But not the fact that you can not rush to the extreme. In relation to them, only force will stop, and not its demonstration, but its application
    5. Xsanchez
      Xsanchez 24 November 2015 17: 50 New
      0
      I read komenty and think: here is such a situevina looming - at the beginning of the Syrian company they shot down a civilian side in Sina. Explicit enemies-Sauds and Qatar appeared, now Turkey is added to them. What they will do (and will do) will be decided in analytical centers so I’m not going to guess and will see so soon. But apparently it won’t do without blood: both the Saudis and the Cathars will forget about the oil, and the Turks about the tourists. Erdogan chose not a very good moment, now they’ll announce the whole trinity as accomplices of the terrorists and it’s not enough for them, they’ll pick up options for everyone (we’ll come up with such inventors) .PSneft will rise in price again.
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  • Mario_boo
    Mario_boo 24 November 2015 15: 00 New
    +5
    I think the GDP will hush it! There will be no answer ...!
    1. kepmor
      kepmor 24 November 2015 15: 32 New
      0
      Not yet evening ... We'll see ...
  • Tjeck
    Tjeck 24 November 2015 15: 00 New
    +2
    Damn their military facilities, as they already did under Catherine. Although they most likely didn’t do this on their own initiative, it’s impossible to forgive such a thing!

    Turks break off, oh break off ..
    1. Fat
      Fat 24 November 2015 16: 24 New
      0
      Turks in NATO. Yusovtsy are just waiting for us to arrange something like that. No need to rush. Everything will be
  • AlexTires
    AlexTires 24 November 2015 15: 01 New
    +7
    Turkey has already called the Russian ambassador, right now they will present a note for our same downed plane ....
  • vlavek
    vlavek 24 November 2015 15: 01 New
    -27
    I was in Turkey. Turks were remembered as pleasant and friendly people. It is a pity that now for Turkey, Russia has become an enemy
    1. sssla
      sssla 24 November 2015 15: 27 New
      +8
      Quote: vlavek
      Turks were remembered as pleasant and friendly people.

      And forgive Tutki for your money, they will do this to you so marry them ???
      1. Teplohod
        Teplohod 24 November 2015 16: 53 New
        0
        but you shouldn’t make enemies from prostitutes
        1. KaPToC
          KaPToC 24 November 2015 20: 46 New
          0
          Turkey is a member of NATO, they are our enemies without any "if" or "suddenly."
    2. raketnik
      raketnik 24 November 2015 15: 28 New
      -2
      where did you come so much from here ???? the jackals would return to the censor
    3. shvn
      shvn 24 November 2015 15: 43 New
      +3
      Well yes. May Turkey become an enemy of Russia. But she’s never been a friend ...
    4. Lt. Air Force stock
      Lt. Air Force stock 24 November 2015 16: 21 New
      +1
      Quote: vlavek
      Turks were remembered as pleasant and friendly people. It is a pity that now for Turkey, Russia has become an enemy

      Of course they are friendly, the tourism business brings them good money.
    5. Fat
      Fat 24 November 2015 16: 26 New
      +1
      Turks have never been friends of Slavs. You are a storyteller who does not know history or a proto-protector
  • Oprychnik
    Oprychnik 24 November 2015 15: 01 New
    +5
    Who knows how many potential hostages are currently warming their sides in the sun in Turkey?
    So I’m talking about this especially bloodthirsty ...
    1. aleks 62 next
      aleks 62 next 24 November 2015 15: 42 New
      0
      .... Who knows how many potential hostages are currently warming their sides in the sun in Turkey?
      So I’m talking about this especially bloodthirsty ...

      ..... You need to warm the sides of the house !!!! ..... And do not rummage around for any security-questionable places !!!!! .... Egypt did not teach ????
  • kit-kat
    kit-kat 24 November 2015 15: 03 New
    +8
    Everything falls into place. Now, I think, the stupidest duck will understand the attitude of Turkey towards Russia.
  • DHA
    DHA 24 November 2015 15: 03 New
    0
    Russia under the laudatory odes hollowed out (worms on the earth) igil, but in real life they chew snot, and this is not the first time. They cover us, they said the planes will fall, and he will fall. Make Turkey a desert and no one will fit in, and Amer jackals will pinch from all sides.
  • Uncle VasyaSayapin
    Uncle VasyaSayapin 24 November 2015 15: 03 New
    +6
    The United States destroyed Turkey supporting the Kurds. But the Russian Federation did not take them into its allies, because their problems are enough without the Turks. Now a conflict has arisen between the Russian Federation and Turkey. Apparently the machinations of the United States. In this situation, the Russian Federation is probably most advantageous to put pressure on Turkey and draw it into the conflict in the region on its side, obtain permission from it to fly aircraft, missiles and the passage of the army, threatening to support the Kurds, Armenians and physical violence.
    1. Fat
      Fat 24 November 2015 16: 28 New
      0
      plyusanul. but there is one NO. turkey in NATO. and it is necessary to put pressure first of all economically, but then the Turks themselves will erdogash with the family and the company themselves
  • TTX
    TTX 24 November 2015 15: 03 New
    +6
    5. Shoot down their plane approaching the border of Syria .. Shoot down all the planes that crossed the border of Syria and a bullet to the son of Erdogan!
  • jetfors_84
    jetfors_84 24 November 2015 15: 04 New
    +1
    They need to be told that bombers are already taking off from Engels. They will run away to Turkey
  • KOH
    KOH 24 November 2015 15: 04 New
    +2
    S / u / k / a !!! we’re not swallowing again, we just need to intensify the swotting of the Papuans, and when the Turks appear in the Syrian sky, extinguish immediately ... the erdogon is completely unbelted ... am
  • Siberia 9444
    Siberia 9444 24 November 2015 15: 05 New
    +1
    And what about the pilots! There is information not found found ???????
    1. Tjeck
      Tjeck 24 November 2015 15: 08 New
      +1
      they write that he died ..
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      2. Siberia 9444
        Siberia 9444 24 November 2015 16: 19 New
        +2
        Anger hate just overwhelms me !!!!!!! erdagan the jackal sneaky damn there are no normal words how sorry for the boys. Turks are filthy bastards !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! To bomb this igil with ammunition of a volume explosion. On the way, I’ll drink vodka for the rest of the boys, figs that tomorrow at work !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • over
    over 24 November 2015 15: 05 New
    14
    There is a feeling that soon the Armenians will receive Mount Ararat in their possessions.
  • Laksamana besar
    Laksamana besar 24 November 2015 15: 05 New
    +1
    If this is not a fake, then one pilot died:



    1. Darkoff
      Darkoff 24 November 2015 15: 21 New
      10
      If this is not a fake, then one pilot died:

      Burn with cruise missiles this entire border zone !!! So that fragments would fly far into the territory of Turkey !!!
    2. DmitryK
      DmitryK 24 November 2015 17: 46 New
      0
      They killed .... bastards
  • aleks26
    aleks26 24 November 2015 15: 05 New
    11
    What the Americans sought. The end of the Turkish stream. Possible complications with the passage of the Russian Navy straits. And other nasty things. Well, a spit in the face of Russia in general and GDP in particular. A military response is hardly acceptable. And tourists in Turkey are kind of like hostages. That’s bad.
    1. DHA
      DHA 24 November 2015 15: 47 New
      +3
      but tourists need to think about what’s going on, and it’s worth it
  • dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 24 November 2015 15: 06 New
    +6
    Turkey will definitely be punished. The border control plans will still go under her tail and America. Russia has something to answer to their border control and we will close it, there’s no doubt about it. Now, after such a jamb, this is already a matter of honor.
    1. 1536
      1536 24 November 2015 15: 19 New
      +3
      Turks need to be punished, no doubt! But we must not forget that they control the Black Sea straits, through which our ships, including the military, go to the Mediterranean Sea, carry goods to Syria. The punishment must be sophisticated, the Byzantine punishment is such that the mosquito does not undermine the nose, and the Turks are in a deep ass and for a long time, if not forever. To discourage even looking at Russian planes in the sky is necessary. But in order to do this, one must think, and not play chess. And it may take time. Unfortunately, this is not enough.
      1. KaPToC
        KaPToC 24 November 2015 20: 49 New
        0
        If the Turks close the straits, a war will begin.
    2. Fat
      Fat 24 November 2015 16: 31 New
      0
      cover EW so that one could not fly up from the Turkish side
      1. Oleg56.ru
        Oleg56.ru 24 November 2015 19: 45 New
        0
        On Military Review, they said that in Syria they created a 600 km zone where nothing threatens Russian aircraft, and what helped? Or is it all capitalized?
  • rakiuzo
    rakiuzo 24 November 2015 15: 07 New
    -56
    idete domoj parni, tut vam zharkovato budet!
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      1. DHA
        DHA 24 November 2015 15: 54 New
        +5
        You don’t have to touch Allah, these are the Iblises distorting everything, do not play into their hands.
    2. Darkoff
      Darkoff 24 November 2015 15: 45 New
      +1
      They forgot to ask you what to do, what not to do!
      You too will not find it!
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    4. mitya24
      mitya24 24 November 2015 16: 14 New
      +3
      So said Yusuf Pasha before Suvorov with seven thousand under Rymnik CHPOKNUL his hundred thousandth herd
    5. reservist
      reservist 24 November 2015 16: 14 New
      0
      I’d better remember that once upon a time in the territory of the Krasnodar Territory the Turks were at home ... well and how it ended up for the Turks ...
    6. Fat
      Fat 24 November 2015 16: 33 New
      0
      fought you and we will fight. yes so you catch your leaders yourself and drag them to us on karachiks. there was such a precedent. Shamil’s Caucasian people dragged and surrendered.
    7. Weyland
      Weyland 25 November 2015 02: 06 New
      0
      Quote: rakiuzo
      vam zharkovato budet!


      It will be hot for you soon! You will be again Bender, and Larg, and Cahul, and Ramnik, and Fokshany, and Ishmael ...

      Or the old hero, deceased on his bed,
      Unable to screw your Izmail bayonet? (with)
  • Riv
    Riv 24 November 2015 15: 07 New
    12
    I was interested in this ... In the beginning, the Turks said that an "unknown" plane was shot down. Only a few hours later a video appeared on the network, in which we distinguish the silhouette of the SU-24. That is, they did not know who was shot down. But if so, how could they “warn ten times”? Who did they turn to, the pilot from Alpha Centauri?
    On the other hand: if they fired and did not know by whom, then what kind of provocation can we talk about? Most likely, Erdogan is now biting his elbows. Tomorrow, Turkish F-16s will fly to bomb the Kurds and who then guarantees their safety? Ours will shrug their hands and say: "Well, over another's territory ... What were you waiting for? Gingerbreads? We have warned eleven times." - and they will be right.
    And of course it’s ridiculous to think that the bombing of the villages of the Turkoman will stop there. Just bombs will become heavier.
  • COBA
    COBA 24 November 2015 15: 07 New
    10
    Great analytics. It seems that way. We were taken "weakly", what will be the answer? Close the Syrian sky, we are not only unable to, but because of the invasion of the paddling pools we can no longer. It remains to strengthen the Air Force and Air Defense forces and work more actively with Iran and Hezbollah to destroy ISIS. In addition to the gap in diplomatic relations with the Turks, you can “valnuet” a couple of them between them.
    1. Fat
      Fat 24 November 2015 16: 36 New
      0
      Yes, the frogs let them sit on their trough. All the same, it is barely alive. It’s not clear at all how it got to our wing with its zhode
  • rf xnumx
    rf xnumx 24 November 2015 15: 08 New
    +1
    This video appeared on the network, I don’t know the fake or not the fake
  • DMoroz
    DMoroz 24 November 2015 15: 08 New
    +4
    I do not think a provocation. During the provocation, all subsequent actions are planned, but for now the information is completely contradictory: it is shot down over Turkey, then over Syria; either shot down by a fighter or rocket from the ground; they warned, they couldn’t contact to warn ... Although it may be a deliberate throw-in to confuse the situation ... Look, the Turks already ran to NATO to sting ...
    But they should definitely get an answer. Tomorrow Lavrov goes to them, hardly with gingerbread
  • Alexnder
    Alexnder 24 November 2015 15: 09 New
    +3
    Something the Turks very quickly reported that they shot down. Are they covering anyone? It looks like it is.
  • Prohur
    Prohur 24 November 2015 15: 09 New
    +6
    I talked directly with the Turk, a brief retelling. The answers were as follows. "We don't give a damn about the Russians," "It was the first step toward creating safe areas in northern Syria. Turkey will never allow anyone to defeat Syrian Turkmenistan." and now we think)
    1. ultra
      ultra 24 November 2015 15: 20 New
      +4
      Quote: Prohur
      "We don't give a damn about Russians"

      For a long time the Turks did not receive kizdyuley.
    2. Darkoff
      Darkoff 24 November 2015 15: 50 New
      +1
      What kind of Syrian Turkmenistan is this? This is Syria. Syrian President called on Russia to clean up its land! No one called Turkey there!
      Correctly, Satanovsky and Morozov say: Erdogan dreams of re-creating the Ottoman Empire and sees himself as emperor.
      This cannot happen!
      It will be the same as with ISIS: first, the West will support Erdogan in confrontation with Russia, Syria, Iran. And then Erdogan will get out of control and everyone will be fucked.
    3. Fat
      Fat 24 November 2015 16: 39 New
      0
      It’s time for electronic warfare to land all aviation in the coastal turechin and not only from the Mediterranean and the Black Sea, and also to warn so that they don’t dare to joke in the straits.
    4. perm23
      perm23 24 November 2015 17: 08 New
      +2
      Once they said that the Danube would sooner flow back and the sky would fall to the earth than Ishmael would fall. Another boasted that he would lead Ushakov on the rope. Do spit. If we spit, it will take a long time to wash ourselves.
  • barclay
    barclay 24 November 2015 15: 09 New
    +5
    Yes, it was supposed to happen someday. Turks from the very beginning took a provocative position in this conflict. And ours relaxed. Repeatedly repeated that our bombers hide behind fighters. So they do not always hide behind, or hide behind not effectively. And now one thing is clear: this dirty trick cannot be left without an answer.
  • DMB3000
    DMB3000 24 November 2015 15: 10 New
    0
    Quote: 44World
    What about the pilots? any news?

    news writes that one could be captured.
  • Support
    Support 24 November 2015 15: 10 New
    0
    full-time state with a full-time ruler ......, it's time to blame them for igil ....
  • KAPITANUS
    KAPITANUS 24 November 2015 15: 11 New
    +7
    Turkey, as it was an enemy of Russia, remained. Ottomans ....
  • Anton071
    Anton071 24 November 2015 15: 11 New
    +8
    The capture of the Turkish fortress Izmail
    December 22, 1790 ...
    The Ottomans began to be forgotten ...
    1. ALEA IACTA EST
      ALEA IACTA EST 24 November 2015 15: 21 New
      +5
      At the time of Alexander Vasilievich, the Turks would have to wash themselves with blood ...
  • Umnichka
    Umnichka 24 November 2015 15: 12 New
    16
    The solution, which is on the surface, and very painful for the Turks, is a sharp increase in versatile assistance to the Kurds. You must try to fight on earth with the wrong hands.
    1. Alexnder
      Alexnder 24 November 2015 15: 18 New
      10
      This will be the wisest and most correct decision. Kurdish support!
      1. TURAR
        TURAR 24 November 2015 15: 32 New
        0
        Use terrorists against terrorists so we will never go into the legal field afterwards. Closing Syria's airspace and finally strangling ISIS, put an end to, burn all their teachings. And then systematically go to Iraq.
        1. Weyland
          Weyland 25 November 2015 02: 11 New
          0
          Quote: TURAR
          Use terrorists against terrorists so we will never enter the legal field after


          To whom - terrorists, and to whom - partisans! So it was, is and will be!
        2. Weyland
          Weyland 25 November 2015 02: 11 New
          0
          Quote: TURAR
          Use terrorists against terrorists so we will never enter the legal field after


          To whom - terrorists, and to whom - partisans! So it was, is and will be!
    2. perm23
      perm23 24 November 2015 15: 40 New
      +5
      Yes, help the Kurds, Create a Kurdish state, so that the Ottomans choked.
  • Garris199
    Garris199 24 November 2015 15: 13 New
    +3
    That's where the caliber needs to be fired. The positions of the Turkish air defense from where the fire was fired should be destroyed.
  • Support
    Support 24 November 2015 15: 14 New
    +2
    A state with the same ruler that emerged from the pit of the restroom ......, it’s time to blame them for igil ....
  • MarKon
    MarKon 24 November 2015 15: 14 New
    +2
    It is necessary to subsidize trips for Russians to other destinations (it will be cheaper than military operations), such as Vietnam, Cyprus. I’ll even go to IL-76
  • antikilller55
    antikilller55 24 November 2015 15: 14 New
    +6
    Flyers of the Turks must fall and burn for our guys, drying pilots.
  • ALEA IACTA EST
    ALEA IACTA EST 24 November 2015 15: 14 New
    +6
    Where are the old days? Where is Oleg Shield? Where is the banner raised over Adrianople?
    1. andrew42
      andrew42 24 November 2015 18: 22 New
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      Ek where enough. And here Oleg’s shield. He nailed it to the Greeks, not to the Ottomans. Here it is necessary in an oriental way: not to scream, but smiling, go sharpen the saber. In general, it would be nice: 1) a quick, minimal and tough answer (extremely desirable) that I would not want to militarize the militarized units of these same Turkomans (I would complain to my friend and patron Recep). 2) calmly and clearly close the Turkish direction with the latest anti-aircraft defense and the suppression of electronic warfare deep into Turkish territory 3) strengthen air strikes from Latakia to the Turkish border + strengthen the advance of ground troops of the SAR 4) systematically prepare a response by means of MANPADS from the territory of the Kurds, and ideally through DRG with uncontrolled ATS territory. In general, do not sleep friend Recep, wait for the news. Not soon, but wait.