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Test drive ASN-233-115 "Tiger": the car "polite people"

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Meeting with "Tiger"
In order to find out what an all-terrain vehicle is capable of, you must drive into a place that is wild enough for this place. The hosts took care of this in advance: a sand pit, forest roads, overcoming the ford ... All this is ahead, and there you have to drive about thirty kilometers on the highway. Therefore, the Tigr was the first to go to the scene of action, accompanied by the Ural with evil guys with machine guns: useful for the entourage. We left a little after the test car, so I managed to notice the all-terrain vehicle that flashed across the track. “If you say too: flashed,” incredulous skeptics will grin. Patience and peace of mind: what a “Tiger” can do on the track is a serious question, it can be much more than it seems. Predator after all.


Outside the city we meet with an armored car. The fact that it does not seem too large from the outside turns out to be a huge iron mountain. The “dry” weight of the machine is 6,4 tons, with a full load of up to eight tons, some seventy kilograms are missing. The time has come to transfer to the “Tigr”, but so far - to the passenger seat, because meeting with representatives of the military automobile inspection for a civilian driving a military vehicle is extremely undesirable. They warn me: the weight of the armored door "Tiger" - kilograms 60, so after opening it, you need to make sure that it is fixed by a fuse. Careless movement - and no legs. Or hands, which is simpler, but not better.



Under the wheels of the "Tiger" winding ribbon highway. The quality of the road surface is on 4. There are no harsh Russian pits, but there are patches and small potholes. "Tiger" simply does not notice them: the suspension on dual levers is designed for serious off-road, so the unevenness of the asphalt, to which a passenger car will necessarily react, pass absolutely unnoticed. Not only that: the speedometer quickly and easily reached the 130 number. And this is not the limit, the maximum speed of a multi-ton armored vehicle is 160 km / h. How can you manage this pile of metal at this speed - a mystery. For the time being, we note the main thing: 130 km / h The Tiger runs easily, and on the way to the landfill you can drink coffee on the go. But at the same time - talk to the commander of "polite people", from which you can find out why they need such a beast.





About surprises
The element of surprise is a good thing when it is aimed at the enemy. "Tiger" was conceived as a vehicle for the rapid transportation of personnel, and in our modification it was designed for this. There are other executions, for example, the command and control vehicle. The task of fast transportation, according to the military, the car copes perfectly. Not only that on the highway “Tigr” will not yield in speed to many modern cars, and off-road heavy car rushing at a very impressive speed - 80-90 km / h. The commander said that the "Tiger" has good protection capabilities for personnel, and the armor plate on the bottom will help to survive a mine attack.

On the wheels (which, of course, have a centralized swap system) the enemy can shoot from anything: even if the rubber is destroyed, the "Tiger" is able to drive on the disks without much harm to health. But usually it does not come to this: it is very difficult to damage the tires of an armored all-terrain vehicle. In the meantime, I pay attention to the fact that we are separated by a couple of meters with the other person, but it is audible perfectly. It’s not for me to judge the safety of movement in this car, but the fact that comfort exceeds all expectations is a fact.







It would seem that the hell surrendered to harsh military people this comfort? It seems to me that each of them is primarily a person, and the fact that the designers managed to take care of them in the best possible way is a definite plus. Yes, and try to drive on the same KAMAZ on the road under the "weave." Or repulse the head, or the opposite place, but rather - all at once. In the meantime, we are approaching the training ground, where I have to take some time off to see the joint work of the special forces and the Tiger.

The armored car easily rolls out of the bushes on the sand, and angry uncles with machine guns jump out of it. By and large, there should be no more than six people - such a number of places incorporated in the armored "soul" of the all-terrain vehicle. But in fact from the armored car can jump out the crowd and a little more. Another surprise for the enemy. And they got quickly, and the number of fighters transported was slightly more than expected. But that's not all.









Someone needs a hatch on the roof of the car in order to admire the sky, someone needs the wind to ruffle their hair, bringing inhuman pleasure to civilians sitting in the cabin. The "Tiger" also has a hatch. But it performs other functions: you can lean out of it and shoot from a Kalashnikov machine gun (PC), from an AGS grenade launcher, or from a machine gun of caliber 12,7 mm “Rock” or “Kord”. Under each view weapons has its own bed, and time to replace the bed on the nests at the open hatch takes a few minutes. In this case, the folded manhole cover is an armorrest for a fighter who is operating a machine gun or a grenade launcher. And although I was driving it for a test drive, it’s impossible not to look at the work of the special forces. So, the Tiger leaves the bushes ...







I have a camera on my neck, and I stand in anticipation: I will shoot a military play. But it was not there! After appearing on the scene of the main character - all-terrain vehicle - a few moments pass, and I have no one to shoot ... The fighters settled around the "Tiger", their "camouflage" merges with the terrain, there is no group, there is no beautiful picture that would become a good shot. small clouds of smoke from shots and sounds are heard, but you cannot take a photo of them.

We interrupt the “operation”, set another task: you need to somehow get together in a heap so that the frame is more lively and more dynamic. The commander understood the idea at a glance and offered to "play the police." Namely - to pass the branch under the protection of the armor "Tiger". I do not know where the police are, but this time everything turned out as it should: power, pressure, fear and horror. Of course, armor will not protect against something too serious, but it will save you from 5,45 or 7,62 caliber bullets and from fragments. The officer asks if there is a need to chase the scene again. “No,” I say, “everything worked out.” What in vain people drive. " "Yes, these uncles just let run and shoot!" It is a joy for them, ”the commander answers cheerfully. I look at the "uncles" discharging automatic machines. It may, of course, be a joy, but ... it’s better not to touch them once again. Therefore, the command to take their places and go to the next location.



Interestingly, it was good for me - I was driving in the front passenger seat. And what do the fighters still feel in the Tiger cabin?



What they feel - only they can say, we, civilians, most likely, cannot understand such things. But what cannot but make the special forces happy is the good autonomy and rich equipment of their car. It provides everything: stocks of ammunition along the sides, first-aid kits, clamps for weapons, fire extinguishers, even thermoses. Ceiling lights make you wonder: everyone has their own wire to "mass". It seems a trifle, but even if they even took care of such trifles, it is terrible to imagine what they could think of here. On the ceiling in front of the hatch there is the control unit for the installation of the 902B “Cloud”. Outside, the presence of this thing is given by trunks, from which aerosol grenades are fired, hiding the car from the enemy in the optical and, in some cases, in the thermal range. Just a necessary thing when the "Tiger" must be hidden.







Honestly, I am now clever about this “cloud,” then, although I knew about its existence, I didn’t have to see how it looks inside. Therefore, while I, a purely civilian, are being explained to me, the principle of 902B’s operation is explained, everyone has already settled in places, including the separation of "polite people" who have taken their place in the "Urals". It seems you can go further, but wait: we came to ride the "Tigre", it's time to get behind the wheel!

In the role of the Tiger Tamer
I had the great honor, I tell you a secret, to steer this car. So just for the wheel "Tiger" is not allowed, but I was incredibly lucky. At first I was lucky to give a ride, and then I was not shot for trying to fly off this road on this thing. Though, maybe, only I managed to notice the last, being already driving the car.

Despite a decent height, it’s quite easy to get into the cabin: handles, steps, everything is where they should be. The only difficulty is to open the door, and the matter is not only in its weight, but also in rather tight handles. And all these are the consequences of installing a reliable door locking system. But slamming the door behind me, I felt like a gold bullion in a Swiss bank safe: I couldn’t be pulled out or dragged out of here.



Comfortably seated in a chair that has, if not too pronounced, but tangible lateral support, we become familiar with the devices. And we are surprised once again: everything is very simple, and familiar to anyone who sat behind the wheel of an ordinary truck. Especially KamAZ: two main devices (tachometer and speedometer) are exactly the same as in this Tatar miracle. They just stand on the contrary: the tachometer on the Tigre is on the left, and the speedometer is on the right. And the last one is marked up to 160 km / h (in most KamAZ vehicles - to 120). The other devices are also not exotic: oil pressure, coolant temperature, fuel level and ammeter. The fuel level sensor can be switched to one of two tanks, the volume of each of which is 68 liters. Of the buttons needed to control the machine, we note the wheel swap buttons: there are several modes (highway, soil, etc.), each of which corresponds to a certain optimal pressure, which is created with one click. Simply come up with no more.









Manometers are visible on the central panel. Air is needed for tire inflation and for the operation of a pneumatic-hydraulic braking system. When the pressure drops, the drum brake pads get divorced, so if there is a malfunction of the pneumatics, there is no danger of flying off the road (as in the ZIL-131).

The controls of the car (I’ll clarify it specifically - it’s a car, so there’s something else you can control) are also familiar. A healthy lever to the right of the steering wheel is a parking brake drive, the other two are a gearshift lever and “hand-outs”.



Despite the “thick-thick layer” of armor and the not too large glass area, the review is surprisingly good. Therefore, looking around a bit, we start the engine and drive.



The motor seems rather modest for a heavy car: total 215 hp But it is still a turbo diesel, its volume is 4,43 liters, and the maximum torque - 735 Nm. Specifically for foreign intelligence, let us clarify: the engine is ours, domestic, namely - YMZ-5347-10.



Despite the running engine, the cabin is not noisy. We include the second gear (the first one, as usual, is used only on strong off-road and with a big load), release the clutch pedal and get under way. The direction of the gearshift lever will be envied by many “cars”, the shifts themselves are extremely clear (the box here is “Gazovskaya”). Almost immediately turn on the third gear, and the diesel does not even raise the tone. Muttering quietly, he pulls the car easily along the sandy career. Ahead - the ascent to the forest road. The “Tiger” has very short overhangs both in the front and in the back: the entry and exit angles are 52 degrees, and the maximum angle of the volume to be overcome, which is also limited by the specific torque, is 30 degrees. We go up the hill again in second gear and here we give gazku. Remember, I said that I almost fell off the road? Here is how it was.

The car goes very smoothly. She doesn’t care deeply what is under her wheels: there is something more or less solid - and it’s ok. I finally grew bolder (rather, bumbled), so that management looks more like taxiing of a passenger car, rather than a truck, and was driving for pleasure, gradually picking up speed. And the speed "Tiger" is gaining easily. And when a decent hole suddenly appeared in my way, I reflexively tried to dodge it by turning the steering wheel. And it was not the case: a car weighing about seven tons is not very healthy for such “moose tests”.













At the first turn, I felt like she was ready to go into a skid. He released the gas pedal, returning the steering wheel to the straight-ahead position. The Tiger thought a little and obediently returned to the course. It is necessary to get used to a very sharp steering wheel together with a considerable weight. As, however, and to the brakes, which at first are very annoying with a decent reaction time. But if you press the pedal, just hold the steering wheel! In general, after a couple of kilometers you get used to it. It is a pleasure to manage Tiger, but it’s necessary to be friends with your head. The only thing you can find fault with if you wish is a rather decent turning radius. It affects the long base, and nothing can be done about it. We still have the last test ahead - overcoming the ford.

About the river, November and spray
On the way, I never cease to be surprised at the fog that covered, it seems, the entire Russian north-west. At the entrances to the water, he became only thicker, so even when we approached the river bank, we did not see it immediately. "Tiger" got to the ford to the very edge of the water. Pebbles creaked under the boots of camouflaged people with machine guns around their necks. Severe looks drilled fog in search of the opposite shore. Nothing is visible: where to go, where to get out on the other side? But somehow make sure that the vehicle is not afraid of water, it is necessary. Nobody will believe me that easily! At least a photograph is needed here ... And the commander quickly found a way out.

- So, who do not mind? - He muttered thoughtfully to himself. - Come here!

On his call ran fighter, who "do not mind."

“Put it on,” the commander ordered, pointing to something incomprehensible. This "incomprehensible" was a semi-overalls light protective suit. Under the laughter of good comrades, a fighter dressed in outfit.

“You’ll search for a ford,” the officer explained. “Look where the Tiger can go.”

On paper, all-terrain vehicle can overcome water obstacles to a depth of 1,2 meter. In life - even more. The engine is high, the mounted units are closer to the bonnet, and the air intake is led out to the roof. Theoretically, a fighter on this river could walk almost infinitely. Time was running out, and I wondered what would happen next.



The scout wandered through the water and came back. In general, there is nothing to report about the results: we all saw that he didn’t go deeper than the waist up, the ground was hard, there was no place for the "Tiger" to sit down. But what about entering the water? Frame something textbook, without him at least do not come back. But the commander is the commander. The officer released the costume to the officer.

- Here you are. Depart from the coast on the 20-30 meters, and we will fly into the water on the Tigre. Spray will be a lot. It should work!

It certainly should. Here are just a climb in November in the river no particular desire. However, I was not used to refusing a group of well-armed people. They said to climb - it is necessary to climb.

Standing in the water, I waited with trepidation when the "Tiger" would "fly into the water". Seven tons, after all. But everything went fine: the car from the shore rushed into the river, a fountain of spray, a sea of ​​emotions, there is a frame.

Why am I telling you here? Such moments as well as possible convey how good this car is. Many of us are accustomed to the fact that in difficult road conditions somewhere outside the city sometimes have to get out of the car, walk, search for a road. But the “Tiger” will easily pass there, where you don’t always climb on foot. Not for nothing, there is a locking center differential with a reduced transmission in the “razdatka”, self-locking cross-wheel differentials and wheel reduction gears.







The smoothness of the course is provided by an independent torsion bar suspension, about which even the accompanying fighters responded only positively. At the same time, wherever the car goes, inside it will still be good: light, relatively safe. In the cold, the "stove" works, in the heat - air conditioning, and it is not so important that the all-terrain vehicle under the armored bottom: asphalt, dirt, sand, water. He will travel almost everywhere. By the way, it is designed for operation at temperatures from -30 ° С to + 50 ° С. Not bad, huh?

And finally ...
The military is not too concerned about the issue of fuel consumption. And yet "Tiger" and here it shows itself from the best side: the control fuel consumption declared by the manufacturer in the amount of 13,5 liters per hundred kilometers. And in fact comes out really a bit: 12-16 liters. Power reserve is an average of 600 kilometers.



We cannot say anything about servicing these machines: even in the part, specialists of the Arzamas Machine-Building Plant, who regularly come with everything necessary for maintenance, are engaged in this. Yes, and not so important to know how in this car change the oil or conduct an inspection of the chassis. The main thing is that the "Tigers" are always on the go. Is not it?
Originator:
http://www.kolesa.ru/article/asn233115-tigr-mashina-vezhlivyh-ljudej-2015-11-19
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  1. igorka357
    igorka357 28 November 2015 07: 06
    18
    Crimea ... test drive passed ..
    1. War and Peace
      War and Peace 28 November 2015 08: 18
      +6
      not bad, it would be necessary to modify the engine for a car - this bump on the hood looks like a foreign body, but where is the WOLF?
      1. hedgehog in the fog
        hedgehog in the fog 28 November 2015 11: 00
        +7
        I wonder if a civilian version will be released? demand would be furious.
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        2. gjv
          gjv 28 November 2015 14: 06
          +2
          Quote: hedgehog in the fog
          Will a civilian version be released? demand would be frantic

          Just the official dealers announced that the civil version on the serial conveyor will not be placed because of weak demand. Try to shove an individual order in Arzamas, I think it will cost 10-15 million rubles. Or buy from someone who already has it. On Yandex.Avto, there were a couple of 3,2 and 7,5 million.
          1. Duke
            Duke 28 November 2015 19: 58
            +3
            Hummer vs. Tiger
        3. MGD
          MGD 28 November 2015 15: 22
          +2
          Released and unflattering reviews ... More precisely, they stopped buying, because redoing design flaws is troublesome, and the factory scored on customers ...
        4. PROHOJIY
          PROHOJIY 28 November 2015 18: 17
          +1
          There is a version for hunters and fishermen. Zhirinovsky and Mikhalkov bought.
        5. architect
          architect 28 November 2015 19: 08
          0
          it can be purchased in private hands but the price is quite high
      2. cosmos111
        cosmos111 28 November 2015 13: 40
        +1
        Quote: War and Peace
        it would be necessary to modify the engine for a car - this bump on the hood looks like a foreign body

        it will NOT work out ... we need a new, more compact diesel + automatic transmission ...
        the GAZ-2330 "Tiger" was Cummins, diesel, 6 cylinders in a row, power 215 l / s. "hump" on the hood was NOT ...
        SMP-1 (left) and SMP-2 (right)

        armored car "Tiger-M" with a new diesel engine YaMZ-534-10, after which a "hump" appeared on the hood ...


        Quote: War and Peace
        , and where is the WOLF

        it looks like the "Wolf" is dead / the topic is closed ...
        1. cosmos111
          cosmos111 29 November 2015 15: 08
          +1
          interesting photo of SMP 2 "Tiger" in the North Caucasus ...
          bulletproof shield for the machine gunner ...

          photo from otvaga2004
          1. cosmos111
            cosmos111 29 November 2015 15: 14
            +1
            and, another photo of SHRZS "Abaim-Abanat" based on GAZ 233034 SPM-1 "Tiger" for specialists, with an assault ladder ...
            1. Owl
              Owl 29 November 2015 21: 35
              +1
              This "product" has an overloaded front axle, in Balashikha, at the Dzerzhinsky ODON training ground, a couple of years ago, because of this, in preparation for the "show" "Abanat" hardly moved the curb, for this the letter "A" was changed in the name E ".
      3. architect
        architect 28 November 2015 19: 07
        0
        initially they put either gas 560 or kamins which are more compact but weaker, yamz is a good engine but it is quite large
  2. Wild_grey_wolf
    Wild_grey_wolf 28 November 2015 07: 27
    14
    Very interesting photo story. Many thanks to the author. Very informative . . .
    1. ICT
      ICT 28 November 2015 07: 49
      16
      Quote: igorka357
      Crimea ... test drive passed ..


      on a little arrow. earlier

      .










      1. Absurdidat
        Absurdidat 28 November 2015 08: 58
        +2
        Where did the photo come from after the battle? Read there is what? Pts interesting.
        1. S-cream
          S-cream 28 November 2015 09: 37
          +2
          on the penultimate fota breaking through the door ??? This is very bad. And at the last, it seems something like VOG flew in?
          1. GRAY
            GRAY 28 November 2015 10: 04
            +3
            Quote: S-cream
            on the penultimate fota breaking through the door ???

            Perhaps the armor-piercing incendiary of the SVD.
            This is the 5th grade of protection. From armor-piercing, this is the 6th.

            It is noteworthy - they purposefully shot at the antenna.
            1. S-cream
              S-cream 28 November 2015 15: 35
              +1
              went to the link below - indeed, armor-piercing incendiary - you can see traces of fume around the inlet on the rear door.
              The company says that the bullet could only punch through the door and break through the plastic, it did not have enough for more
              too, very similar to that - the breakout is exactly what to "break". But, probably, there should also be ballistic fabric. These are the things she should keep, but from the pictures it is not clear that there is something there.
              1. cosmos111
                cosmos111 28 November 2015 17: 44
                0
                Quote: S-cream
                . But probably there should also be ballistic fabric

                composite armor and ballistic lining ... increase the armor resistance, since with a given mass composite materials have greater strength, this allows to reduce the weight of the armored vehicle while maintaining the same level of protection that steel armor provides, or while maintaining the mass of the machine, increase its protection level .. .
                in the BBM category, they can mainly be armored against threats like IEDs of armor-piercing bullets of fragments and RPGs ....
                1.Woven materials - ultra high molecular weight polyethylene UHMWPE (Ultra High Molecular Weight Polyethylene)
                2 Rheinmetall DYNEEMA BT10 tape
                3 Teijin Aramid Fiber
                4 DuPont KEVLAR Fibers
                etc..

                BBM door Lenco BearCat G3 with anti-splinter lining - AGY's S-2 Glass®
        2. ICT
          ICT 28 November 2015 14: 06
          0
          Quote: Absurdidat
          Where did the photo come from after the battle? Read there is what? Pts interesting.


          http://twower.livejournal.com/830898.html#cutid1
      2. cosmos111
        cosmos111 28 November 2015 13: 16
        0
        Quote: TIT
        on a little arrow. earlier


        a bad example of TIT ... in the photos you have given, the SMP-2 "Tiger" all armored glasses with loopholes ...

        on AFV polite people "ASN-233-115 they are already gone ... probably considered that prohibitively expensive ...

        loophole-GOST P50963-96 2 and 3 protection class
      3. rumpeljschtizhen
        rumpeljschtizhen 29 November 2015 00: 39
        -1
        show the best photo of the detonation .... nifiga didn’t do mine protection but the point of this machine is to keep it
        1. chinArmy
          chinArmy 29 November 2015 13: 36
          +1
          the car was created as SPM - "special police car". Then she got into the army. Now, judging by the application, in the army it occupies a niche BRDM

          And for resistance to detonation in PM from SVU, the Typhoon project was created

          It is impossible to make a universal vehicle. Each one has its own niche.
  3. blizart
    blizart 28 November 2015 08: 13
    +4
    Maybe even close up like this?
    1. lwxx
      lwxx 28 November 2015 09: 52
      +1
      Such wheels cannot be placed on an all-terrain vehicle, in the mud and in the sand additional resistance and load on the bearings. At temperatures up to -30, I think if you fill in the correct oil and fuel, then it will withstand a lower temperature.
      1. Down House
        Down House 29 November 2015 09: 29
        0
        Quote: lwxx
        Such wheels cannot be placed on an all-terrain vehicle, in the mud and in the sand additional resistance and load on the bearings.

        It is not clear why you say so?
        These are demonstration samples, on serial wheels the sidewall will be closed - information from "first hand".
    2. shonsu
      shonsu 28 November 2015 14: 24
      +1
      how to drive such wheels through the mud? Will there be increased wear in the sand? what is their resource? and in general, do they have advantages over pneumatics equipped with swap?
      1. cosmos111
        cosmos111 28 November 2015 17: 50
        +1
        non-pneumatic wheels from Polaris Defense guarantee significantly better durability compared to standard tires when breaking through an 12,7-mm bullet An NPT wheel punched by an 12,7-mm bullet can travel 8000 km and ordinary tires go about 1300 km, NPT wheels are tested for cars weighing up to 7,7 tons. ..
        1. ICT
          ICT 28 November 2015 20: 22
          +1
          Quote: cosmos111
          non-pneumatic wheels from Polaris Defense


          Well, how many these wheels do not show, so really no one can explain, is this cut-off outer edge for clarity or is it planned in life?
          1. cosmos111
            cosmos111 28 November 2015 21: 20
            0
            Quote: TIT
            Is this cut-off outer edge for illustration or is it planned in life?

            non-pneumatic tires Non-Pneumatic Tire (NPT): the outer rim is made of standard tire rubber and with conventional treads and, if necessary, studs (winter version), the inner cellular structure is made of a patented composite that combines high strength with flexibility and shape memory (patented by the company Polaris)
            I didn’t see another information ... rather, without an outer / outer edge ...
            1. Down House
              Down House 29 November 2015 09: 33
              +1
              Quote: cosmos111
              I didn’t see another information ... rather, without an external / external edge

              This is a demo, closed on a serial mustache.
        2. lwxx
          lwxx 29 November 2015 01: 55
          0
          On asphalt and stones is good. But in the snow and in marshy areas, where on ordinary tires you can simply reduce the pressure, thereby increasing the area and reducing the pressure on the ground, these will not work. And we have it everywhere, unless of course you get out of town and not to the country.
          1. martin-159
            martin-159 29 November 2015 08: 37
            +2
            In the autumn, the dirt will fill and freeze.
        3. Down House
          Down House 29 November 2015 09: 32
          +1
          Quote: cosmos111
          when a 12,7 mm bullet is pierced, an NPT wheel pierced by a 12,7 mm bullet can cover 8000 km and ordinary tires cover about 1300 km

          You might think someone will ride on 8000 km laughing
      2. Down House
        Down House 29 November 2015 09: 31
        +1
        Quote: shonsu
        and in general, do they have advantages over pneumatics equipped with swap?

        Probably only one advantage, these wheels do not need pumping and they are not afraid of "lumbago".
        Otherwise, there are no advantages; classical pneumatics is better for absolutely everyone.
        1. ICT
          ICT 29 November 2015 10: 54
          +1
          first hand question
          1. Well, with the external sidewall, the characteristics should improve along the way, compared to dem. samples? (the photo would also be nice)

          2. and if you make this tire inflated. will it improve its characteristics? (technologically it is not difficult to do_)
          1. Down House
            Down House 29 November 2015 11: 33
            +3
            Quote: TIT
            Well, with the external sidewall, the characteristics should improve along the way.

            The sidewall is made of "wrapper" - it does not "perceive" the load.
            It is the bending cells that are perceived. The meaning and the main problem is that, as I understand it, they hold the car statically, but add up in dynamics - because the difference in load is enormous.
            You need a developed sidewall at least, but then the meaning in the honeycombs is lost. fellow
            Quote: TIT
            and if you make this tire inflated. will it improve its characteristics?

            This is initially pointless, it is mutually exclusive designs like a wheel-tracked mover for example. fellow
            And this design is initially inferior in all respects to the classical one, the advantage is only in "armor-piercing".
            But again, there are RunFlat tires - they are installed, for example, on BMWs - they have a sidewall of increased "strength" and they can also continue to move when punctured, while RunFlat is initially cheaper than those higher in the pictures.
            But again, RunFlat is so tough that almost everyone abandons them in favor of "pneumatics" if we are talking about civilian cars.
            In general, all this is just another "wunderwaffle" and "drank" the budget, in short, otherwise we would all have been driving such for a long time.
  4. Oslyabya
    Oslyabya 28 November 2015 08: 37
    +8
    :)
    Somehow in the fall, in the rain on the track, such a "crazy refrigerator" overtook me ... Very impressed!
  5. Fox
    Fox 28 November 2015 08: 38
    +7
    at one time there were a lot of cries about "excess weight and excessive chassis strength." The designers fought back weakly ... and our sofa strategists poked: iveko, hummer ... glad that there was enough will and intelligence to adopt a worthy apparatus.
  6. Absurdidat
    Absurdidat 28 November 2015 08: 57
    +2
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJOAZ8g1Ii8

    Tiger versus iveco, Hammer, Ural. In the snow.
    1. cosmos111
      cosmos111 28 November 2015 14: 02
      0
      Quote: Absurdidat
      Tiger versus iveco, Hammer, Ural. In the snow.

      great video ...
      and here is the video "Tiger" against "Iveco LMV M65 / Lynx" -Test drive to undermine ...
      "Iveco LMV M65 / Lynx" 6 kg in t / e "Tiger-M" ASN-233-115 -600 grams in t / e(how many lives of soldiers will be saved)

      1. S-cream
        S-cream 28 November 2015 15: 44
        0
        where is the tiger?
        1. cosmos111
          cosmos111 28 November 2015 17: 52
          +1
          Quote: S-cream
          where is the tiger?

          tests / video (YES and photo materials) AFV "Tiger" detonation tests NO ...
          if you provide, I will be glad hi
          1. architect
            architect 28 November 2015 19: 12
            0
            sort of like a tiger was also blown up
          2. cosmos111
            cosmos111 28 November 2015 19: 31
            0
            tests / video (YES and photo materials) AFV "Tiger" detonation tests NO ...

            wrong-IS ...
            demolition 600 gr. in t / e
  7. asar
    asar 28 November 2015 09: 51
    +3
    "Ham" is resting! And nervously smokes aside!
    On the "Tiger" here it is somehow more convenient!
    Thank you!
  8. shurup
    shurup 28 November 2015 09: 57
    -1
    Highway car. In Polesie, he will sit on the lower armored plate and will look for a tractor in the village.
    Close. The volume resembles the "Kraz" cabin.
    And where is the trailer for a test drive? Or will the support be chasing a car on a paver helicopter?
    May be polite city policemen will be happy, but harsh evil uncles will swear.
    1. shonsu
      shonsu 28 November 2015 14: 29
      +2
      if you're talking about a hammer then everything is to the point. )
    2. shonsu
      shonsu 28 November 2015 14: 31
      +3
      note. in woodland, only hovercraft can be passed. there, and man will not pass everywhere.
    3. sabakina
      sabakina 28 November 2015 15: 03
      +5
      Did you ride it? No? Your number is seventeenth ... Further, the text of G. Zheglov ...
    4. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 28 November 2015 16: 09
      +4
      Quote: shurup
      In Polesie, he will sit on the lower armored plate and will look for a tractor in the village.

      Negative of a person in vain, he is right in something. I had to ride the Tigris through marshy places. Rushing along the virgin snow without straining, it just flies along the highway. But he did not master the unfrozen swamp, namely, as the comrade wrote, he lay down and ay, 7,5t all the same. The truth was pulled out not by a tractor, but by Kamaz with a three-axle. smile And yes, the article is correctly written, on the move it is very difficult to respond to steering wheel turns, strives to continue driving straight when the steering wheel is twisted.
      1. cosmos111
        cosmos111 28 November 2015 19: 06
        +4
        Quote: Vladimirets
        it responds heavily to steering wheel turns, strives to continue driving straight when the steering wheel is twisted.

        need independent suspension / suspension from a mass production truck ...

        and cross-country / cross-country for BBM is important, BUT not a decisive factor ...

        KAMAZ-43269 "Shot" has excellent maneuverability, but as an armored vehicle, just ****
      2. architect
        architect 28 November 2015 19: 16
        +2
        this is true for any wheeled vehicle of the same mass, for example, a hammer in a swamp will obviously not be better
    5. viktorMinskiy
      viktorMinskiy 29 November 2015 23: 23
      +1
      The first rule of the jeep is the steeper the SUV, the farther you run after the tractor. I think little will pass through the Polesie swamps on high-pressure wheels .....
  9. Gray 43
    Gray 43 28 November 2015 10: 09
    +2
    But the checkpoint still needs automatic, our production
  10. glavnykarapuz
    glavnykarapuz 28 November 2015 10: 12
    -3
    Divorced "reviewers" and "test drivers" homegrown!
    Why speak (write) a set of words whose meaning you do not understand?
    From the text ".. and the maximum angle overcome volumeWhich limited also specific torque, - 30 degrees. "- what is it written here ??
    1. shonsu
      shonsu 28 November 2015 14: 33
      +1
      understandably lifting and not volume. mistake or typo.
    2. Down House
      Down House 29 November 2015 09: 35
      0
      Quote: glavnykarapuz
      Divorced "reviewers" and "test drivers" homegrown!

      Therefore, never read before lunch the test drives of "journalists", in 99% of cases without a specialized education.
  11. zoknyay82
    zoknyay82 28 November 2015 10: 17
    +8
    Cars are good, no doubt, but this handbrake, oh Gods! Was it really impossible to even bend it? The mirrors were not impressed with the survey, although the angle of photography may be to blame, the devices were moved from an UAZ or other equipment they were about forty years old. I didn't mean to find fault, but the price of this wonderful car is demanding. ... "And it’s not so important to know how the oil is changed in this car or the undercarriage is inspected." It is unlikely that the "wizard in a blue helicopter" from Arzamas will fly to the war. A military chauffeur must serve CAM and, if necessary, repair the car.
  12. Olegmog
    Olegmog 28 November 2015 11: 05
    +2
    I liked that after two hits in the windshield,
    the glass remained translucent. So the driver is poor
    may continue to move. And they said that completely
    covered in cobwebs!
  13. vandarus
    vandarus 28 November 2015 11: 18
    +2
    The location of the ignition switch is surprising and the distance between the pedals in my opinion is not enough in boots it will be uncomfortable. There is a question about the suspension stroke length. A handbrake yes, impressive.
    PS The landing seats are fixed to the floor. This is, according to the designers, mine protection? And the BC along the sides, so that the enemy doesn’t miss?
    1. cosmos111
      cosmos111 28 November 2015 12: 46
      -6
      Quote: vandarus
      The landing seats are fixed to the floor. This is, according to the designers, mine protection?


      THIS IS THE MAIN good and even the wheel arches in protrude into the salon / armored housing ((terrorist demolition dream))) this is not acceptable !!!

      in the ASN-233-115 "Tiger" armored vehicle, there is no mine protection, as a CLASS ...
      this is categorically not acceptable in modern asymmetric wars ...

      WHAT to do ??? design another armored hull-it is another BBM ... NECESSARY, extra? Overhead armor plate ...
      which will greatly enhance the BBM mine protection ...

      http://www.findpatent.ru/patent/248/2481543.html
      1. cosmos111
        cosmos111 28 November 2015 13: 50
        +1
        similarly spaced armor armor applied on the "Highlander K" armored vehicle
        under the body and the cab - explosion-proof sandwich of two spaced layers of steel ...
      2. shonsu
        shonsu 28 November 2015 15: 19
        +3
        judging by your schemes, you are a brilliant designer, and have already made a breakthrough in military equipment. only any design is always a compromise, and if you made a tiger like that, then there were reasons for it, not the most stupid people designed it.
        1. cosmos111
          cosmos111 28 November 2015 15: 47
          0
          Quote: shonsu
          judging by your schemes, you are a brilliant designer,


          could be "GENIUS" laughing designer, BUT God did not give .. line and ruler fellow I’ll draw a curve ... I brought a link to the author of this project: http: //www.findpatent.ru/patent/248/2481543.html
          Quote: shonsu
          and have already made a breakthrough in military technology

          NOT a breakthrough is NOT necessary, just study the world experience (South Africa, South Rhodesia)
          Quote: shonsu
          only any design is always a compromise

          first of all, according to MASS (more weight, better booking) -This is a compromise ... therefore, in modern BBMs, composite materials are also used ...
          manufacturing an armored car cabin from polymer composite materials and an armored car cabin from polymer composite materials
          for manufacturing an armored car cabin from polymer composite materials and an armored car cabin from polymer composite materials according to patent RU No.2423277 C1 from 29.12.2009, MKP7 B62D 33 / 00

          http://www.findpatent.ru/patent/249/2492407.html
          The invention relates to an armored car with shield-shaped internal armor, including lateral protection in the field of wheels and the upper armor connected to it, protecting the driver and passengers, by which the internal bottom plate is fixed at a distance above the area of ​​the bottom of the internal armor.

          From the inventions of DE-A-19605230 and DE-A-19740103 it is known how the shield is mounted under the bottom of the vehicle to protect against mines. However, such a shield is not enough to protect against mines with high explosive strength, such as more than 6 kg of TNT.

          http://www.findpatent.ru/patent/237/2376549.html
    2. shonsu
      shonsu 28 November 2015 14: 48
      +3
      but in my opinion the handbrake, although archaic, should be comfortable. torsion bars have a very large stroke, as a rule, and bk from machine gun and machine gun cartridges, when hit, as a rule, do not explode but are destroyed. serve as additional protection. even if it explodes, then nothing bad will happen, a bullet outside the barrel will not gain destructive power. therefore, in almost all the outfits of the world, soldiers have cartridges with ammunition on their chests. ours still did in Afghanistan.
      1. cosmos111
        cosmos111 28 November 2015 18: 25
        +1
        Quote: shonsu
        any design is always a compromise


        compromise - when the level of threat exceeds the carrying capacity of the chassis(la, well formulated what )

        in order to increase the armor resistance, new materials must be used, primarily non-metals, and composites they represent a less bulky system with good multi-impact characteristics ...

        Another advantage of the hull or other composite parts of the machine is that they are destroyed gradually, therefore, when fired by armor-piercing ammunition, a bullet passing through the composite does not form additional fragments inside the machine, they are used as anti-fragmentation strikes inside metal armored corps ...

        but if the armored capsule is made of composite materials, then this lining is not needed at all, since there will be no splinters in the car ...

        Tata's light armored light armored vehicle Multipurpose Vehicle is equipped with a composite armored crew capsule (for such BBMs)

        Morgan composite armor capsule CAMAC
  14. stilus40
    stilus40 28 November 2015 13: 34
    +2
    More to such articles !!! And they wrote earlier - the noise is strong, because of the engine, nothing is heard !!! Wait normul! Znach won !!!
  15. ingenera
    ingenera 28 November 2015 14: 32
    +7
    Here the "experts" are not picking on that. The ignition lock is not there! "Automatic transmission is necessary! Who will service the" automatic "in the field? And any person familiar with driving in real off-road conditions knows that no" automatic "will select the driving mode better than an experienced driver. For blondes, yes , the machine is needed. The devices are old, - aha! What can replace the dial with the arrow? Electronics? Maybe, but here someone was sick about the price? Here the fastening of the seats to the floor is a drawback - even if a small charge of a "kick" in the butt is detonated fighters will get it. Or maybe there is some kind of damping device?. But the machine is not for overcoming minefields, after all. Mines and tanks die. You can criticize everything, I am glad that this is our development and it generally responds with its own task.
    1. vandarus
      vandarus 28 November 2015 18: 25
      +1
      Not to find fault, but to express bewilderment and constructive criticism. Have you ever tried landing / disembarking from a BM in armor and with everything else that you have to carry on yourself? Apparently not. And so you don't know that any ledge, threshold and, yes, a key sticking out in the ignition lock steals seconds of life (although the latter will simply break), I am sure that the ignition lock will be moved from there - this is an obvious engineering mistake. Regarding the "machine": additional cost + weight. Recent wars have been waged mainly by the forces of irregular partisan formations using the tactics of DRG (blast-fire-retreat), so the vehicle must have at least minimal protection in case of undermining, and protection against RPG damage, if it is intended for the Armed Forces. All this "Tiger" can not provide. Even as the BRDM "Tiger" is inferior because does not float. Conclusion: "Tiger" is a vehicle for police operations.
    2. Down House
      Down House 29 November 2015 09: 43
      0
      Quote: ingenera
      Who will serve the "machine" in the field?

      And why service it in the field, if high-quality automatic transmissions "roll" for 250-300 thousand km without breakdowns?
      Enough once every 50 thousand km change the oil in the box fellow
      Quote: ingenera
      And any person familiar with driving in real off-road conditions knows that no "automatic" will pick up the driving mode better than an experienced driver.

      It is precisely that "any person familiar with driving in real off-road conditions" will confirm to you that the "optimal driving mode" is best selected with automatic transmission, regardless of driving experience.
      This is because no driver will be able to transfer traction as smoothly and evenly as a torque converter - and the smoothness and evenness on the border is probably 50% of the cross-country ability!
      The automatic transmission has only one minus, they are afraid of water and bask - but this is solved by elementary refinement.
  16. cosmos111
    cosmos111 28 November 2015 15: 14
    0
    TIGER-M ASN-233-115 with 3 protection class goes to the army under the state defense order, in the Ministry of Defense it goes to the GRU special forces ... here maximum armored vehicle mobility is required, with a relatively low weight and high carrying capacity + mine action (at the level of STANAG 4569 3 )
    AFV "Tiger" is already quite old, the potential for modernization, there is BUT a new multipurpose armored vehicle is needed (as an example of JLTV (light tactical vehicle) AFV "Wolf" after fine-tuning could be a replacement, especially since the armored combat vehicle "Wolf"
    Quote: Rustam
    what was interesting at the show was, Rogozhkin was also in a hurry to complete the SBM tests.
    Shoigu liked the Wolf, he also gave the command to expedite the completion of the tests and take them into service

    but apparently, it has not merged ...

    SyShyA plans to purchase 49 thousand JLTVs "Oshkosh Defense L-ATV" for the army (the winner of the JLTV competition) and, at the KMP 5500 in the beginning of 2015, costing about $ 250 for an armored car

    Oshkosh L-ATV (ight Tactical Vehicles) - a new generation infantry vehicle
    weight-6,5 tons
    ProPulse diesel and electric units. working engine capacity —6,6 lit., 300 l / s., speed up to 140 km / h., cruising range 480 kilometers ...
    Oshkosh TAK-4i independent suspension allows the driver to manually adjust the clearance, raising it right up to 50-centimeters ....
    integrated protection systemCore1080 Crew Protection System will protect personnel from the consequences of a mine burst of mines, ballistic protection at the damage of MRAP ...
    1. architect
      architect 28 November 2015 19: 22
      0
      there are a lot of videos from Yemen how the Hussites burn Saudi oshkoshi, I don’t know about mine but the armor protection was not impressive
      1. cosmos111
        cosmos111 28 November 2015 21: 30
        0
        Quote: architect
        there are a lot of videos from Yemen how the Hussites burn Saudi oshkoshi, I don’t know about mine but the armor protection was not impressive

        these in Yemen (Oshkosh L-ATV) NO ... there Oshkosh M-ATV ... although the reservations are comparable ...
        there is no impenetrable armored vehicle ... this vehicle is for transportation, and the Saudis and the UAE use them at the forefront as assault BBMs ...
  17. Archon
    Archon 28 November 2015 15: 34
    0
    My question is: why is the km / h and min-1 written on the speedometer on a Russian military machine? Is it really intended for a foreign army, and not for ours?
    1. alexs1833
      alexs1833 28 November 2015 16: 15
      +8
      these are international designations, they were even with the Union.
      1. aba
        aba 28 November 2015 21: 23
        -1
        they were even under the Union.

        Something I do not remember this ...
    2. Zaboo
      Zaboo 28 November 2015 16: 15
      +2
      because the Russian war machine was originally designed as an Arab war machine.
    3. psiho117
      psiho117 28 November 2015 16: 30
      +2
      Quote: Archon
      My question is: why is the km / h and min-1 written on the speedometer on a Russian military machine? Is it really intended for a foreign army, and not for ours?

      In my opinion, it was written so on my grandfather’s Volga ... This is a common practice.
    4. SOLGA
      SOLGA 28 November 2015 18: 25
      +2
      since Soviet times, on all our equipment; passenger and cargo, military and civil, such a designation. Like, this is a rule for the whole world.
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    6. mAgs
      mAgs 30 November 2015 13: 53
      +1
      Because the speedometers and tachometers are made according to the "civil" GOST.
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  18. SashOK
    SashOK 28 November 2015 16: 36
    +1
    great car! I would have taken)))
  19. zoknyay82
    zoknyay82 28 November 2015 16: 38
    +2
    [quote = shonsu] but in my opinion the handbrake, although archaic, should be convenient ... "
    Did you ride a wheeled vehicle other than a bicycle? Off-road with vigorous donut rotation you tap all hands on this handbrake. Constantly need to beware, but it is annoying.
  20. 31rus
    31rus 28 November 2015 18: 02
    0
    Dear question "Tiger" planned to receive the Airborne Forces, who knows how things are going? How does the machine behave when landing?
    1. vandarus
      vandarus 28 November 2015 19: 11
      0
      I have not heard of such plans. But if this is so, then the question arises: "Why is she an Airborne Forces?" BMD-2 weighs 8.22 tons and is 5,91 meters long, Tiger "with a weight of about 7 tons, 5.70 m, which is comparable, BMD will fit" for all occasions ", and" Tiger "for what tasks in the Airborne Forces? As a commander I am would rather drop an extra BMD with its "long arm" than an armored car.
      1. 31rus
        31rus 29 November 2015 00: 55
        0
        I myself heard Shamanov's statements on TV to adopt the Airborne Forces, "Sprud", "Kamaz Mustang", "Shell", "Tiger", as well as develop, in the future, together with "Kamaz", a wheeled platform for the Airborne Forces for various purposes, I think this concerns MLRS, RB, reconnaissance, cannon artillery based on wheeled chassis, possibly air defense
      2. 31rus
        31rus 29 November 2015 00: 55
        0
        I myself heard Shamanov's statements on TV to adopt the Airborne Forces, "Sprud", "Kamaz Mustang", "Shell", "Tiger", as well as develop, in the future, together with "Kamaz", a wheeled platform for the Airborne Forces for various purposes, I think this concerns MLRS, RB, reconnaissance, cannon artillery based on wheeled chassis, possibly air defense
    2. cosmos111
      cosmos111 28 November 2015 21: 01
      -1
      Quote: 31rus
      "Tiger" planned to take the Airborne Forces

      AFV "Tiger-M" with a mass of 6,600 tons, for the Airborne Forces, is not very suitable ...
      we need an armored vehicle that can be transported by a transport Mi-8 / 17, this is 3 and 4 tons, with a carrying capacity of 1,5 tons ...

      in order to make a mobile, but highly protected BBM with such performance characteristics, we need: new armor plates, composite materials and their combinations, ceramics, aluminum (Alustar AA5059 alloy) and fiber-reinforced plastics, in order to obtain high levels of protection without an unacceptable increase in the total mass ...


      Swedish company SSAB manufactures armored steel- Armox ...
      in 1990, 9 mm Armox 500T was needed to stop the 5,56 mm M193 / SS-92 bullet flying at 937 m / s. ...
      in 2000, the same bullet was stopped by Armox 600T with a thickness of 6 mm ...
      in the 2010 year, this only required 4,5 mm of Armox Advance armor. As noted in company, this corresponds to a half reduction in weight !!!!

      the use of a modern hybrid powerplant, transmission + the use of electronic / smart independent suspension (such as TakI4) allows you to create a similar armored car ...
    3. would
      would 29 November 2015 11: 13
      -1
      As far as I know, a Scorpion was designed for the Airborne Forces, the weight of which allows it to be transported on an external MI-8 sling.
  21. Kostya Andreev
    Kostya Andreev 28 November 2015 21: 45
    +2
    Well, what is it better than an armored personnel carrier? And this is a police car (in my opinion).
    Article is advertising. you read both the standard and the height of perfection!
    But since the coin has two sides, I would like to hear about the shortcomings (about the location of the ignition switch, handbrake, the distance between the pedals, etc., etc., these are expert subjective assessments)!
    While I’m from my belfry, I think: if you offer me a choice, I would choose BTR 90.
    1. cosmos111
      cosmos111 28 November 2015 22: 50
      +1
      Quote: Kostya Andreev
      And this is a police car (in my opinion).


      AFV "Tigr-M SPN" was modified in the interests of special forces, with 3 class of protection and 600 gr. In the t / e., Anti-bomb ...
      policeman: "Tiger" SPM 2 with 5 cells. protection with mine armchairs SAFE PRO ...

      "Tiger" SPM-2-forgot to put a footboard for the convenience of embarkation / disembarkation ???

      on the "Tiger" SPM-2M-already delivered ...

      BUT on the army "Tigr-M SpN" for "polite people" as there was NO, and NO ...

      in battle, every second, road, did NOT have time to armor and that’s all ... the production workers, that they can’t screw a pretty LEGGY ???
    2. vandarus
      vandarus 28 November 2015 23: 05
      0
      "While I am from my bell tower, I think: offer me a choice, then I would choose an armored personnel carrier 90".

      And why and for what tasks would you choose the BTR 90?
      1. Kostya Andreev
        Kostya Andreev 28 November 2015 23: 26
        0
        It is positioned as a car for the military "With the task of fast transportation, according to the military."
        Also about military designation is said such a thing as 902B "Cloud". Outside, the presence of this thing is given out by trunks from which aerosol grenades are fired, hiding the car from the enemy in the optical, and in some cases in the thermal range.
        That is, the car is planned to be used for military tasks. Accordingly, for the performance of military tasks, I would choose the BTR 90.
        1. vandarus
          vandarus 28 November 2015 23: 59
          0
          "I, accordingly, would choose the BTR 90 for military tasks."
          Military missions: for an armored personnel carrier, it means transporting personnel of motorized rifle (infantry, motorized infantry, landing, and so on) units to the place of performing a combat mission and supporting military units in the offensive
          for "Tiger" - a multipurpose off-road vehicle, intended for transporting l / s to the front edge, but not designed to support l / s in an offensive.
          Thus, both of them perform military tasks. Now, if you said "combat missions", then I would agree with you wink
          1. Kostya Andreev
            Kostya Andreev 29 November 2015 00: 41
            +1
            I’m recovering: for the performance of both military and military tasks I would choose the BTR 90. Since it has better passability, it’s more powerful, has more powerful weapons, can swim, it can be conveniently landed. It is not known which ways will have to transport l / s. to the front edge and what can expect on the way to it.
    3. Blackgrifon
      Blackgrifon 29 November 2015 00: 07
      0
      Quote: Kostya Andreev
      And this is a police car (in my opinion).

      A BBM of this class is not exactly a police car - the experience of the second half of the 20th century proved that transporting a saloon in an unarmored car leads to unjustified losses. As a result, the idea is to make such light armored personnel carriers / BAs using elements of civilian vehicles. The benefit of using armored personnel carriers for economic or patrol purposes is far from always justified.
      1. Kostya Andreev
        Kostya Andreev 29 November 2015 00: 46
        0
        I agree with you, if used instead of a goat in places of hostilities, yes. Here is perhaps her niche.
    4. would
      would 29 November 2015 11: 17
      -1
      Which is better? In theory, cheaper including maintenance, faster, less overall, less weight, faster, more convenient for the crew, etc. That is, the right to life definitely has. What is a police car? If you think so, in the conditions of modern military operations with the use of RDGs and rebels, the army is just beginning to face completely police tasks.

      I would choose, BTR 90


      If you choose such armored personnel carriers, and not armored personnel carriers, then "probably" armored personnel carriers are out of place here.
  22. aba
    aba 28 November 2015 22: 08
    +3
    In a camouflage suit is good!
    1. cosmos111
      cosmos111 28 November 2015 23: 53
      -3
      Quote: aba
      In a camouflage suit is good

      it depends on what you compare it to...
      AFV of Drakensberg Truck Manufacturers "Springbuck VI" South Africa ...
      with a comparable weight with the "Tiger" has a performance characteristics:
      length: 5883mm
      width: 2363mm
      height: 2468mm
      Wheelbase: 3562mm
      ground clearance: 343mm (axial)
      weight: 6,8 tons
      load capacity: 3,2 tons
      crew: driver + 10 people
      ballistic protection: B6 expandable to B7
      mine protection: 14 kg in t / e !!!

      and about ergonomics, from the army "Tiger" so you shoot ???
  23. buzzard
    buzzard 28 November 2015 23: 34
    0
    I would like to see a "cliff" or "cord" on the "tiger".
    1. chinArmy
      chinArmy 29 November 2015 13: 49
      0
      so that instead of an infantry fighting vehicle at the forefront they drove him?

      and you can also put a "bank", an anti-mine, so that at least 10 kg under the wheel holds, anti-cumulative grilles, the clearance must be changed, "clouds", well, something, so that in the same order with the tanks went good
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  24. Blackgrifon
    Blackgrifon 29 November 2015 00: 04
    0
    Maybe someone knows, but the version with DUM went into the troops after all? It seems that the Tiger-M has a modification with a machine gun DUM, but at all parades this BBM is only with a hatch (Belarusian Foxes are better in this regard - the same Tiger, but the shooter is closed by a light open tower).
  25. v.yegorov
    v.yegorov 29 November 2015 03: 17
    +1
    Quote: hedgehog in the fog
    I wonder if a civilian version will be released? demand would be furious.

    Zhirik seems to be buying, then he ridiculed in the Donbass.
  26. Free wind
    Free wind 29 November 2015 07: 55
    0
    From 2005 to the present day, 20 pieces of civilian tigers have been sold. The price is 100-120 thousand American rubles. the weight of the civilian version is almost 5 tons, if it got on the belly, then not every tractor will pull it out. The brakes are hydraulic, not airy at all. The Ministry of Defense does not want to adopt it; many complaints are voiced. but at the factory they spit on this matter, and they say that it is nit-picking. The fighters in the pictures have old AKMs of 7,62, though with a body kit, although maybe I'm wrong.
  27. cosmos111
    cosmos111 29 November 2015 13: 31
    0
    getting ATGMs in the SUV-3 jeep, in the area of ​​the Egyptian border ...


    here for such cases nuden, anti-shatter lining, heat-resistant materials in the armored housing ...
    1. cosmos111
      cosmos111 29 November 2015 14: 09
      0
      anti-cumulative composite armor of the AFV "Oshkosh SandCat" (joint development of the Israeli Plasan and Oshkosh) 2008, on a commercial Ford F-Series (chassis reduced to 2,84 meters) price: from $ 230,000 to $ 275,000 ...


      you can protect light armored infantry fighting vehicles from RPGs ...
  28. chinArmy
    chinArmy 29 November 2015 13: 58
    0
    Interestingly, this is our concept: leave the arrow open?

    Why do they always weigh the place of the shooter with at least some armor that at least hides the outline of a soldier, and on OUR products the shooter is open to all winds

    On NATO vehicles, even armored personnel carriers, even light vehicles, the machine gunner is always covered by at least a shield from the front hemisphere
  29. ICT
    ICT 29 November 2015 14: 31
    0
    Quote: chinArmy
    at least some armor


    sometimes they even replay ........
  30. ingenera
    ingenera 30 November 2015 19: 06
    0
    Quote: Down House
    The automatic transmission has only one minus, they are afraid of water and bask - but this is solved by elementary refinement.

    This is already two minuses, and even with automatic transmission, you cannot drag a car in tow and start a stalled "from a pusher" Of course, in new "network-centric" wars it will be possible to call a tow truck ... but I doubt something.
    1. would
      would 1 December 2015 07: 38
      +1
      This is two minuses and even with automatic transmission you can not drag a car in tow


      Can. "Not recommended" does not mean you can’t, drag and still like nothing.