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The French are not the Americans: the war

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The French are not the Americans: the war



Actual carrier connection fleet France’s Russian-Syrian military operation against the caliphate gives many military analysts reason to consider the participation of the Fifth Republic in the ground operation against ISIS not only as possible, but also as probable.

Indeed, in the skies of Syria, the French are unlikely to be able to show such that would eclipse the attacks of the Russian Tu-160 or Caliber missiles - despite the fact that in fact the only practical purpose of connecting the French armed forces is to give the voter the necessary calming television the picture, providing it with verifiable reports about the successes on the front of the fight against terrorists.

A ground operation remains - everyone is fighting with everyone in the region, and there will be a place for another player in a ground operation. It is especially important that there are no Americans here - and the French will not have to fall under their formal or informal command, as in Afghanistan itself. This means that the task of showing the Frenchman in the street independence and military power can be solved to the full, without regard to the position of the Pentagon.

These arguments have caused quite a few publications in specialized military analytical publications of the United States regarding the fact that, as the Americans unexpectedly discovered, the French are fighting different ways in hybrid wars - and, in general, achieve success.

Военные Франции обладают плохой репутацией в американской общеполитической прессе, связанной с традиционной для такой прессы поверхностностью. Эта репутация строится от historical событий, — таких как быстрый разгром со стороны нацистской Германии во Второй мировой войне и поражения колониальной эпохи в Дьен Бьен Фу.

However, military analysts have the opposite opinion of the modern French army: the French, from their point of view, "are among the best."

There is a French way of waging a hybrid war, which combines the lack of desire in France to spend large military resources and a clear calculation of the balance of objectives and sufficient tools to achieve it. They specialize in carefully planned and, as a rule, small but tough operations, often unofficial. Yes, the military of the Fifth Republic can go on a large-scale operation, but only if they receive resources from the US and other allies. So it was in Afghanistan, for example, where the French simply refused to participate in the planning of operations and actually transferred the command (and responsibility) to the US. But they build their own operations quite differently than the American army and navy.

Analysts examined in detail the military intervention of France in the Central African Republic in March 2007 years to stop fast moving attack rebel group the Sudanese border.

Then the French were limited to using a single (sic!) Strike Fighter, and the two groups of paratroopers total of no more than a few dozen, who landed in the combat zone in the town of Birao. From a military point of view, what the French did pinprick, but the planning and organization were perfect, and it was enough to destroy the rebel offensive.

The level of preparation of the operation, experts note, shows the use of paratroopers, and not airmobile forces. Airborne attacks are more dangerous for the enemy, but more risky for the attackers - there is no opportunity to strengthen or evacuate lightly armed fighters in an emergency.

The French military, moreover, did all this quietly and unnoticed. The first reports in the French press appeared only a few weeks later and were strictly metered.

French intervention in Mali in January 2013 years also clearly showed all the signs of a very different than the US, the way of doing a hybrid war.

The French then demonstrated a high class of combined-arms operation and "joint" fire and maneuvering capabilities with poorly trained and almost without communications and control of local forces.

They competently used everything at hand - their special forces and the usual forces of the local army, outdated Tanks and untrained militia infantry, own high-precision artillery, attack helicopters and assault Aviation - while being able to organize a single command and tactical maneuvering. And all this in the most severe climate of tropical and desert Africa, when tank columns had to be stopped simply because the mechanics fell from heat stroke in obsolete cars. The French even had to rush to order new soldier's boots - ordinary tropical melted from the heat.

All this does not mean a banal deficit. The French military are very consciously planning operations based on their compact size and reasonable sufficiency in resources. In addition - and almost all observers note this - the French military, unlike the Americans, perceive the expansion of the mission very negatively and do not want to participate in such things as “national construction”, leaving the won battlefield to politicians.

In Mali, for example, the French military positioned themselves as a system for the destruction of several terrorist groups. But that's all they did. They refused to participate in anything else, such as restoring public order in Mali or participating in a conflict between various armed insurgent groups in Mali and the authorities of the state. Of course, this caused reproaches that the French military did not do much, what Mali needed, but the French strictly adhered to their policies and did not lose in the end - the most colorful and unpredictable government that received power eventually became their ally a priori.

The French, remarked by American military analysts, and learned to use America simply as a “local resource.”

Based on their experience with the US operations in Afghanistan, Libya, Mali, Somalia, the French have developed a strategy of how to work with the Americans.
They clearly know what they can most easily get from the United States, and what to do with it, namely: refueling, reconnaissance, surveillance and satellite tracking (ISR), large cargo planes, such as the C-17. The Americans give it simply and willingly - it is not connected with sending troops, it is not connected with personal risk for the US military that allows you to organize such support much easier, on a "technical" level.
The French will never ask for American Marines, or air support, or drone strikes - simply because they understand that the harm and difficulties that arise from such "help" will be much greater.

It is difficult to say whether the French behave differently in relation to cooperation with the Russian. However it is possible to observe that judge the effectiveness of the Army of the Fifth Republic need not by its participation in the American operation in Afghanistan, and for its own operations in recent years in Africa.
And the success of these operations, command respect.
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  1. venaya
    venaya 24 November 2015 08: 36 New
    +6
    in fact, the only practical purpose of connecting the armed forces of France is to give the voter the right calming television picture

    The picture, namely the picture and the French cannot add anything else. It was never worth expecting more from them, dust in the eyes and nothing more. More importantly, they should not get in the way under the feet of those who are actually able to solve such difficult issues of achieving peace in this long-suffering land of Syria.
    1. cniza
      cniza 24 November 2015 08: 38 New
      +3
      Quote: venaya
      in fact, the only practical purpose of connecting the armed forces of France is to give the voter the right calming television picture

      The picture, namely the picture and the French cannot add anything else.



      The French military have a bad reputation in the American general political press, due to the superficiality of the traditional press. This reputation is built on historical events, such as the rapid defeat of Nazi Germany in World War II and the defeat of the colonial era in Dien Bien Phu.


      Quite intelligible, albeit one-sided.
      1. marlin1203
        marlin1203 24 November 2015 09: 57 New
        +3
        Are these the praises of the French army? And only on the basis of several relatively small special operations of its high-tech forces against various African rebels? Generally not serious. Their army is certainly not bad, but seriously, after Vietnam, they didn’t really fight anywhere, i.e. already 60 years old. Although, I believe that the French foreign legion in its entirety, with the support of its own and our aviation, could well solve the problem of the Isis in Syria and Iraq.
        1. Maksus
          Maksus 24 November 2015 11: 52 New
          +2
          Как не воевали? По всей африке гоняли местных - Алжир, Конго, Кот-д'Ивуар, Марокко. Плюс в Буре в пустыне покатались, даже на танках.
      2. bobba94
        bobba94 24 November 2015 13: 59 New
        +3
        Один из вариантов "Янки Дудль" звучит так:
        "Англичанин разобьет двух французов или испанцев.
        Янки Дудль подойдет - всех троих уложит пальцем".
        Это как американский вариант нашей песни " Но от Москвы до британских морей, Красная армия всех сильней"
        That's all analytics.
    2. Sirocco
      Sirocco 24 November 2015 10: 31 New
      +1
      Quote: venaya
      The picture, namely the picture and the French cannot add anything else.

      I'm afraid everything is much deeper than it seems.
      On the actions of France and co. need to look wider so to speak.
      My opinion is that this whole attack was carried out under the clear guidance of the special services.
      Many media outlets have alleged that this attack was an exact copy of the September 11 attack in the United States.
      Just did not mention in what form it is an exact copy.
      As I think, an exact copy for untying hands, when invading Syria, Iraq. As is the case with the United States, this is exactly one to one.
      Now, only the lazy did not talk about joint actions with the Navy and the Russian Air Forces, about the fact that the actions of the Western coalition are very similar to the actions of the Allies in the 44th year of the last century, that is, not to allow the Russian Federation to completely liberate Syria, and as a result have the moral right to act throughout Syria by its own rules. So, the West did not come up with anything new, they play according to the old rules, now they stir up muds with the Kurds, they quickly cook up the opposition, Let's see what happens next, then it will be clear to whom the terrorist attack in France was beneficial.
      1. venaya
        venaya 24 November 2015 11: 23 New
        +1
        Quote: Sirocco
        On the actions of France and co. need to look wider so to speak.
        My opinion is all this attack was carried out under the clear guidance of special services.
        Many media published this attack is an exact copy of the September 11 attack in the United States.
        ... a replica for untying hands when invading Syria, Iraq. As is the case with the United States, this is exactly one to one.

        С вами трудно не согласиться, за исключением одного: вся эта схема действует уже как минимум тысячилетие, начиная с "крестовых походов" организованных орденом "Приорат сион" ещё в XI-ом веке, и люди на это ведуться всякий раз, прям как толпа ... . То есть эта схема отработана до мелочей, и когда я смотрю на количество проставленных минусов, то отчётливо понимаю, что и сейчас, здесь на сайте, таких людей слишком и слишком много, что вызывает неподдельное удивление и даже тревогу.
  2. nimboris
    nimboris 24 November 2015 08: 39 New
    +2
    Enlightened a little relative to the French sun soldier
  3. Decathlon
    Decathlon 24 November 2015 08: 41 New
    +4
    "...участие Пятой республики в наземной операции..."
    А, не слишком самонадеянный вариант?! А, Асад их об этом просил?! А, под ФАБы не угодят?! Или "команда" поступит и рванут, как миленькие,искать приключений на Пятую точку?!
    1. user
      user 24 November 2015 09: 17 New
      +1
      and on her own operations in recent years in Africa.
      And the success of these operations, command respect.


      Welcome to the ground operation.
      But there is one thing, but this is not Africa, but Syria and the players are too, and most importantly, not quite controlled (Iran and Russia). Therefore, for such a confident positive assessment of the ground operation, I think there is no reason, the losses may be unacceptable. After all, there is no certainty that due to French intervention, the United States and the Arab monarchies will stop supporting the so-called moderate opposition, and whether Iran and Russia will cooperate with such an opposition is a big question.
      Ну как говорил Бонапарт "Главное ввязаться в драку . . . . . " , так что милости просим.
      1. Altona
        Altona 24 November 2015 10: 21 New
        +1
        Quote: user
        Welcome to the ground operation.
        But there is one thing, but this is not Africa, but Syria and the players are too, and most importantly, not quite controlled (Iran and Russia). Therefore, for such a confident positive assessment of the ground operation, I think there is no reason, the losses may be unacceptable.

        -----------------------
        Сирия- их бывшая колония, а как действовать в колониях они хорошо знают. Почему то Алжир тут не вспомнили, где они долго воевали и который является основной "территорией французского влияния" так скажем...Насчет американцев, то с ними да, хлопот больше, они могут отбомбиться по союзникам по полной (friendly fire) и даже визжащие рации их не остановят, через полчаса в штабе разберутся...
    2. kartalovkolya
      kartalovkolya 24 November 2015 09: 20 New
      +8
      Извините ,уважаемый,но Вы похоже упустили одну небольшую деталь,которую чётко высказал Президент Сирии Асад о том, что в операции против "бандо-халифата" на территории Сирии могут участвовать только те кто имеет Мандат от СБ ООН,приглашение Сирии или совместно с Россией (если она согласится),а все остальное это агрессия против суверенной Сирии!А о том как Франция умеет сотрудничать с Россией не мешало бы вспомнить легендарную "Нормандию-Неман" и деяния Великого Патриота Франции Шарля де Голля! А то что Россия и Франция сошлись в схватках 1812-14 г.г. вина прежде всего англо-саксов и их подлой политики!
      1. Morrrow
        Morrrow 24 November 2015 10: 33 New
        0
        Do not forget the 150 thousand SS legionnaires who defended Berlin))
    3. afdjhbn67
      afdjhbn67 24 November 2015 09: 49 New
      +1
      Quote: Decathlon
      "...участие Пятой республики в наземной операции..."

      Nonsense is, by and large, all this participation .. Putin’s negotiations in Iran are more important today and most likely about the participation of the Persians in the ground operation, because no matter how many bombs are won without victory on earth .. Assad does not have enough forces and means, we too constrained by a mass of factors, but the Iranians have stagnated for all these and may very well show ISIS .. in exchange for weapons and other chocolate bars ..
  4. sannych
    sannych 24 November 2015 08: 42 New
    +5
    Не пойдут они на сухопутную операцию в Сирии. Операция в Мали и в Сирии - это две больших разницы, попадут под раздачу. Это не "несколько террористических групп" на ноль извести, речь идет о тысячах боевиков.
    1. Denis DV
      Denis DV 24 November 2015 08: 56 New
      +2
      French foreign legion no one closed hi will land in Iraq, cut off several heads of terrorists, show on TV and dump yes
      1. sannych
        sannych 24 November 2015 09: 28 New
        +2
        Well, if only so, work on the camera. For a full-blown operation, the gut will be thin.
        1. Denis DV
          Denis DV 24 November 2015 09: 33 New
          +2
          I agree, full-scale will not pull drinks
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  5. MDesant
    MDesant 24 November 2015 08: 46 New
    +8
    The guest is the hostess of the hotel:
    – А что это за странное пятно на потолке у меня в комнате?
    – Понимаете, до вас тут жил один химик…
    – Это пятно от химикатов!?
    – Нет, от химика.
  6. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 24 November 2015 08: 47 New
    +6
    Another throwing old article! The French can, but will not! They just need to work out after the terrorist attacks in Paris. And if they start to get involved, then most likely Holland America will squeeze.
    1. sherp2015
      sherp2015 24 November 2015 09: 32 New
      +2
      Quote: dchegrinec
      The French may but will not


      They may and do not want to - mean bastards!
      And if you want but can not, then impotent))
    2. Lelek
      Lelek 24 November 2015 12: 29 New
      0
      Quote: dchegrinec
      Another throwing old article! The French can, but will not! They just need to work out after the terrorist attacks in Paris. And if they start to get involved, then most likely Holland America will squeeze.


      Как говаривал старина Вольтер: "Я не разделяю Вашу точку зрения, но готов за неё умереть".
      They can, but they will be forgotten ... and they won’t be. It will end with verbal rhetoric and actions from an aircraft carrier. The French are the French - the masters of their word (wanted - gave, wanted - taken back), remember the next story with the notorious Mistrals and the clowning of the same Hollande.
      1. Weyland
        Weyland 24 November 2015 22: 44 New
        0
        Quote: Lelek
        Как говаривал старина Вольтер: "Я не разделяю Вашу точку зрения, но готов за неё умереть".


        He never said such bullshit! wassat
        IRL он говорил "Я не разделяю Вашу точку зрения, но готов умереть за Your right to express it!"
  7. Old26
    Old26 24 November 2015 08: 49 New
    +3
    Quote: Decathlon
    "...участие Пятой республики в наземной операции..."
    А, не слишком самонадеянный вариант?! А, Асад их об этом просил?! А, под ФАБы не угодят?! Или "команда" поступит и рванут, как миленькие,искать приключений на Пятую точку?!

    ground operation is not only the territory of Syria, but also Iraq. As for whether Assad asked or not, this is not so important, especially now that a decision has been made at the UN level. Yes, and Assad is beneficial that not only his troops fought in a ground operation. In addition, it is very unlikely that all this will end very soon. So let them fight, there will be no harm
  8. Monos
    Monos 24 November 2015 08: 50 New
    +7
    Французы всегда были прагматиками. Они и нас, похоже, уже начали "использовать".
  9. Alex_Rarog
    Alex_Rarog 24 November 2015 08: 50 New
    +2
    Well, what a completely competent approach.
  10. Russian jacket
    Russian jacket 24 November 2015 08: 51 New
    +1
    And that the author does not remember the French operation in Somalia .... laughing even strange ... laughing
  11. mikh-korsakov
    mikh-korsakov 24 November 2015 08: 52 New
    +1
    I quote: "It is difficult to say: will the French be able to behave differently in relation to cooperation with the Russians". Я наверно, что-то проглядел. А что французам разрешили вступать в кооперацию с русскими? Аналогия между сирийской историей и бывшими французскими колониями в Африке неуместна, потому что заокеанский брат не имеет там СЕЙЧАС интересов. В отличие от Сирии, которую США считают сферой своих интересов, и где США сами создали хаос, чтобы выбить Россию из последнего дружественного государства в арабском мире. Да, США разрешат как справедливо считает автор сделать несколько вылетов "для телевизионной картинки", но не больше. Кто не согласен, пусть вспомнит историю с Мистралями.
    1. Petrix
      Petrix 24 November 2015 10: 26 New
      +1
      Quote: mikh-korsakov
      And that the French were allowed to enter into cooperation with the Russians?

      Putin gave the green light to cooperation. Didn’t watch the reports after the first application of YES?
  12. Wolka
    Wolka 24 November 2015 08: 55 New
    +2
    the author really subtly observes the main difference between the French soldiers and the American ...
    1. Lelek
      Lelek 24 November 2015 12: 38 New
      +1
      Quote: Volka
      the author really subtly observes the main difference between the French soldiers and the American ...


      Ну, так и задачи у них разные. У французов - "немножко отомстить", а у янки - "как можно больше напакостить, облить грязью противных русских, и успеть к делёжке пирога (желательно в первом ряду)". bully
  13. Military Builder
    Military Builder 24 November 2015 08: 58 New
    +1
    France, the second after Russia, from non-Middle Eastern countries, received a blow from the Islamic State, Oland is not a stupid person, he probably understands that poking Arab apartments in French cities will bring little effect, militants will hide in minks for a while, and how everything calms down will crawl out and everything will start all over again, so I’m forced to send my group to Syria, otherwise uncomfortable questions will be asked, such as: What did you do to prevent this from happening again?
    США видимо ждет "свои теракты" чтобы начать "серьезно работать".
  14. Aleksandr21
    Aleksandr21 24 November 2015 09: 00 New
    +5
    Питать иллюзий не стоит. Французы как были под США так и остались, управление и координация французских ВВС всё равно идёт с непосредственным участием НАТО/США, начиная от развед. информации которая передаёт НАТО французам, заканчивая согласованием целей с США, так что тут всё по старому. Я бы тут обратил внимание на совсем другой момент, а именно на заявление начальника штаба вооруженных сил Франции Пьер де Вилье, он не давно сказал что "координации между ВВС Франции и ВКС России нет", и не факт что она будет, одно дело установить контакт с тем чтобы друг друга не сбить (в воздухе), на море, а совсем другое совместные вылеты по заранее оговоренным целям. Вот тут и кроется грань между законными бомбардировками и не законными, если ВВС Франции не будут координировать свой действия с действиями Сирийской Армии или с действиями ВКС РФ то это будет означать нарушение международного права.
  15. V.ic
    V.ic 24 November 2015 09: 01 New
    0
    Да, да, французские десантники просто великолепны (блин-н-н, тогда российские !!!). Не будут они напрягаться, да и "впряглись" только чтобы обозначить выдающуюся роль пятой республики в разгроме ИГИЛ.
    1. Denis DV
      Denis DV 24 November 2015 09: 31 New
      0
      Their landings have unhealthy garbage - they land with their backs to the enemy bully
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  16. X Y Z
    X Y Z 24 November 2015 09: 02 New
    +3
    The military of France have a bad reputation in the American general political press, associated with the superficiality traditional for such a press.


    Американская пресса имеет обыкновение красиво писать только об одной армии - американской. Разница только в том, соблюдает хоть видимость приличий или лжет напропалую. В противном случае, как вы сами понимаете, финансовый источник имеет тенденцию к усыханию, т.к. это не только аналитика, но и реклама. Реклама силы, способной поддерживать мировой порядок и реклама оружия, имеющего широкие экспортные перспективы. Но надо сказать, что и французы, если отслеживать публикуемые мнения экспертов, достаточно скептически относятся к уровню выучки и боеспособности вечных "спасателей человечества". Делают они это, конечно, достаточно осторожно и больше намеками, но тенденция выстраивается определенная и ирония слышится достаточно четко.
    1. kartalovkolya
      kartalovkolya 24 November 2015 09: 28 New
      +1
      В самую точку,пять балов и куча +++++! И еще одна "мелкая деталь",как горошина для принцессы, для США остается неприятное воспоминание о том как Президент Пятой Республики генерал Шарль де Голль выпроводил их вместе с НАТО из Франции!Поэтому и нет между ними особого доверия!И не смотря на "историю с Мистралями" Франция и Россия все равно рано или поздно будут дружить и это первый "шажок"! И как говорил кот Матроскин из "Простоквашино":"...ничто так не сближает ,как совместный труд для моей пользы..."!(а общая польза состоит в том,чтобы совместно ликвидировать все последствия "управляемого хаоса" , организованного США на Ближнем Востоке)
  17. starwars
    starwars 24 November 2015 09: 04 New
    -1
    #Russian T-90 A in #Aleppo, the first Russian ground operations just started
    1. Lelek
      Lelek 24 November 2015 12: 43 New
      0
      Quote: starwars
      #Russian T-90 A in #Aleppo, the first Russian ground operations just started


      Vasi, did you even say you understood? Do not beat the bread at the nickname. bully
  18. Shuttle
    Shuttle 24 November 2015 09: 13 New
    0
    Думаю, что Асад не просто не возражает, а даже попросил французов немного "отомстить".
    1. Vovanfalcon
      Vovanfalcon 24 November 2015 09: 37 New
      0
      Не уверен, что Асад мог "попросить".....у арабов, то бишь сирийцев, стойкое отвращение к французам.
  19. Izotovp
    Izotovp 24 November 2015 09: 19 New
    0
    The first hints of a ground operation already exist: coordination of the actions of the French and ours, and another question is how the French are guided in choosing targets for air strikes. It is possible that their special forces ALREADY operate and the French from the air ALREADY support them. And it is easier for them to coordinate with us: the Foreign Legion most likely acts there, and there are a lot of people from the Union in it !!!!
  20. rf xnumx
    rf xnumx 24 November 2015 09: 27 New
    +3
    Contribution to the fight against ISIS somewhere like this
  21. BARKHAN
    BARKHAN 24 November 2015 09: 30 New
    +5
    Yes, let them participate ... we are in any case a plus. They won’t get into our space. Barmalei will be more nervous. At sea they can block the export of Igilov oil. Although they are friends, but still not themselves. It means at least somehow but they will fight. And every French bomb dropped on target is a saving for us.
    1. sherp2015
      sherp2015 24 November 2015 09: 37 New
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      Quote: Barkhan
      at least they’ll start to fight, and every French bomb dropped on target is a saving for us.


      Ключевая фраза "в цель"...
    2. Petrix
      Petrix 24 November 2015 10: 31 New
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      Quote: Barkhan
      They will not climb into our space

      Nevertheless, they are unlikely to miss the opportunity to explore our closer. All the same, France is NATO.
      1. BARKHAN
        BARKHAN 24 November 2015 16: 51 New
        +3
        НАТО мягко говоря, неоднородная субстанция...Это только со стороны кажется ,что монолит...И при очень большом шухере расползутся ,как тараканы по щелям.Одно дело безнаказанно бомбить верблюдов,и совсем другое получать увесистую "обратку".НАТО-это сборище разномастных ,с трудом терпящих друг друга образований...И будут ли они все воевать,например за Турцию,скоро увидим...
  22. Vlad_N
    Vlad_N 24 November 2015 09: 35 New
    +1
    Бред какой-то. "Суперфранцузы" всех победят)))
  23. shelva
    shelva 24 November 2015 09: 40 New
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    The paddlers decided to cling to our successes in defeating ISIS in Syria.
  24. Olezhek
    Olezhek 24 November 2015 09: 43 New
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    А нету места в Сирии для "булавочных" операций.
    Too there everything is serious and too many experienced, broken warriors with trunks of all systems.
    Will not produce a furore jacket ...
    Ground French operation in Syria ???? belay
  25. Hiw
    Hiw 24 November 2015 09: 43 New
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    how efficient the French are of course it matters but much more important in this situation - what do they need ???? what are the true goals of the French government and how much this government can make its own decisions, and it seems to me that all decisions will be with an eye on England and America, it seems that before the French stop looking back at Uncle Sema, the terrorists will blow up the Eiffel Tower and the Louvre and finally the impudent Arabs French women will be raped right on the streets, and maybe this will not be enough to wake up national identity
  26. Olezhek
    Olezhek 24 November 2015 09: 46 New
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    Далее - с Асадом они давным-давно "разгавкались" - Асад должен уйти...
    Cho they will do there - I can not imagine ...
    Reliable suppliers Mistraley pancake
    Pure Oland number works out - the war with the crime? request
  27. Vega
    Vega 24 November 2015 10: 27 New
    0
    Как бы то ни было, французы пришли. Понятно что это отработка "номера", и воевать оглядываясь на юсовых хозяев невозможно, но они пришли. Хотя думаю решение далось не легко, конечно если это не попытка США принизить роль России и ее влияние.
  28. Gorbtk
    Gorbtk 24 November 2015 10: 45 New
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    It seems that NATO needed a reason to get into Syria and somehow prevent Russia, or if it doesn’t work out, then cling to the victory. Here are the first messengers, and there the states will catch up ...
    Whoever owns Syria owns the Middle East ... and we will not stand aside ...
  29. Mikhail Krapivin
    Mikhail Krapivin 24 November 2015 11: 14 New
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    Yeah, and not so long ago, their special forces in Somalia scrambled such lyuley that he fled, dropping slippers, to Paris. And where was their vaunted planning and knowledge of Africa?
  30. lukke
    lukke 24 November 2015 11: 27 New
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    I doubt that the paddling pools will participate on a large scale in Syria. They would now be sorted out in their own country, and the states won’t let them - they didn’t refuse plans to support the moderate with the Turks and Saudis, so would they let France interfere with their guys ?!
  31. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 24 November 2015 11: 35 New
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    Do you read the author and the first thought about where the French were all this time while the coalition imitated the struggle? But here they come and the victory is near. Tremble terrorists, the French will show you. Very soon we will see something that in no way coincides with the opinion of the author of the article - another European zilch.
  32. iouris
    iouris 24 November 2015 12: 35 New
    0
    Странная рекламная статья. И не к месту. Особенно после того, как в Мали, где французы якобы навели "порядок", игиловцы расстреляли экипаж российского Ан-124.
    Если французы такие крутые, почему мы бомбим ДАЕШ и пишем на бомбах "За Париж"?
    And let the infantry kill the hated enemy (French). We still have things to do at home. And in Turkey, as the course of events confirms.
  33. Legionista
    Legionista 24 November 2015 13: 40 New
    +1
    Прошу обратить внимание, французы единственные , кто в последнее время осуществлял полномасштабную операцию по высадке(десантированию)военнослужащих(Мали 2013г).Не стоит, конечно, преувеличивать масштаб и цели этой операции, однако они(цели) были полностью достигнуты. Так-же стоит принимать во внимание что французы всегда очень плотно использовали свою дипломатию и политиков. Критика со стороны оппозиции возможна до! проведения операции, после её начала-табу на любые комментарии по поводу целей и задач проводимых мероприятий(по крайней мере-до конца этих самых мероприятий).Теперь лирическое отступление-носил французские ботинки ,т.н.rangers лично и в тех климатических зонах. Они не плавятся)))Ботинки оч.удобные и "ноские),хотя это и правда, сейчас армия переходит на новую обувь, но началось это года с 2010,с начала участия в операциях в Афганистане. Honeur et Fidelite.
  34. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 24 November 2015 14: 42 New
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    France has two effective combatants
    Compounds: Airborne Division and Foreign Legion (consists of approximately
    4-5 regiments).
    It is noteworthy that there and there are not so many French (as if descendants of the Gauls).
    As a rule, paratroopers are recruited from Normandy (descendants of the Vikings)
    and from Alsace (Germans). And in the Foreign Legion - from the name it’s clear who ...

    But in the irregular military units, the French shone for real - the Gray Geese and the like.
    1. Weyland
      Weyland 24 November 2015 22: 48 New
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      Quote: voyaka uh
      Gray Geese and the like


      Вообще-то вроде бы "Дикие гуси"... И вообще-то "Дикими гусями" называли irish mercenaries (in any case, initially) wink