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Country 404. Let's kill the unified power system of Ukraine by turning off the Crimea!

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Country 404. Let's kill the unified power system of Ukraine by turning off the Crimea!



I do not want to repeat what many people are writing today. The blockade of the Crimea ... La-la-la ... Disconnected electricity ... La-la-la. Russia must force, restore, provide ... So much I have already heard enough about how defenseless we are before Ukrainian sanctions. Ukrainians wanted - we crawled on the belly. And the excuse is always ready. We do not have time for a short time to reformat created in the USSR.

What I will say now may come as a surprise to many readers. For those who, like me, is not an expert in energy. So, I just want the Crimea to be disconnected from the Ukrainian networks for as long as possible.

Exactly. And not because I want to check the resistance of the Crimean people. I already know it. God give us so that we have this. Not even because I don’t want to beg the Nazis for a bit of light to the Russians. Yes, it really disgusts me. And I don’t even want to, because any action of Ukraine in relation to the Crimea does not give rise to anything but hatred for Ukraine in Crimea.

Most journalists and commentators do not understand how the power supply system works. I did not understand either. And just like most, scratching his head. That did not have time to throw the cable. Now Crimeans endure again. I am quite a cruel person and absolutely not inclined to whining. To endure is to endure. The great goal without sacrifice is not achieved.

Only now I spoke with an ordinary power engineer and realized that we ... As it were more decently to say ... disoriented. We do not understand what's what. In terms of energy. So, about this very "what's what" I want to say a few words.

Gentlemen Russians, learn materiel. Disconnection of the Crimea from the unified energy supply system of Ukraine will not lead to the collapse of the Crimea, but to the complete destruction of this energy system.

We treat electricity like lard. Do not buy here, buy over there. Only it is impossible to transport energy. Well, not fat. In the box you will not put. We need wires and other transformers.

That is why it is incomprehensible to many. When Ukraine is forced to buy electricity from Russia, but at the same time it sells its Poland and other neighboring countries. How many questions have been asked on this topic. Why?

Yes, because there are boxes (in the sense, consumers), but there are no wires. Therefore, Ukrainian nuclear power plants are being exported. They were designed that way from the very beginning. But a third of Ukraine is simply not "tied" to them. They "hang" on deliveries from Russia. And so it was also conceived in the USSR.

It is clear that the klyat communists, who did not foresee the revival of independent Ukraine, are to blame for everything. And built as planned. For centuries. Nothing can be done now. In the current Ukrainian conditions, energy rigs are not only difficult to reverse, unrealistic.

What is the Crimea for the power supply system of Ukraine? This is a fairly decent market. Not sales, but just selling electricity. It is either there or not. Well, they did not come up with such batteries to save up stocks for parts of countries or regions. Well this is not gas, after all. Therefore, you can get electricity. But to put in a warehouse is unlikely. Or use, or ...

Only the reader who is not particularly interested is now thinking about whether the Tatars or the pravoseki who are all there will allow the power supply of the Crimea to be restored. Who will ask them? Believe me, any sneeze of all these "blockade" tomorrow will be so suppressed by the punitive battalions that the Crimean Tatars (living in the Crimea, and they just want to live and raise their children) already punish any "leaders of the Crimean Tatar people" will need.

Here it is clear that everything that happened with the cessation of the supply of electricity to the Crimea was done with the tacit approval of Kiev. But rake, gentlemen and comrades, rake!

At present, two Ukrainian NPPs are forced to reduce the load on almost critical values. This is the order of 600 megawatts. If you continue to "block" in the same mode, then after three or four days you can begin to perform "To the death of heroes ..." already the entire power system of Ukraine. Worn-up nuclear power units can simply not withstand extreme sports.

And what can end the extreme mode for nuclear power plants, we already remember for a long time. And, by the way, on the example of the Ukrainian events.

So, I am only for ... Hai live Ukraine is independent. And not just hi, but hi with all the consequences.

Crimeans in front of knives and machine guns on their knees did not stand, and only a couple of days and so will live. But to save Ukraine from idiots somehow got sick. I never considered suicides heroes. Cowards who run from the problems they often created. Ukrainians are probably good people. Probably smart and kind. Only I saw the last of these in the movies in 50's films.

And the Crimeans only wish patience. Little is left until the moment when our electric worm crawls over the sea and waves its tail (?) Towards Ukraine.







And what, tell, then you will do, Square? Energomaydan stir up? Oh well...
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  1. Barboskin
    Barboskin 24 November 2015 06: 55 New
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    That's the trick, the fact that they will grow wiser can be no doubt, only no one will rebuild everything back. And they will stay with their products and goods (unless of course they are able to produce something), with their water and their energy.
    1. Voha_krim
      Voha_krim 24 November 2015 08: 12 New
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      Meanwhile, it is confirmed that the blockade of Crimea, launched by the Majlis and the right-wingers with the blessing of the Kiev regime, really led to the fact that most Crimeans want to return to Ukraine.

      On tanks with aircraft support. This was stated by the Crimean political scientist Vladimir Dzharalla.

      “Everything that Ukraine could achieve through these actions, it has achieved. Most Crimeans want to return to Ukraine, but only in tanks and with the support of the Navy and air forceswho will show their brilliant work. That’s the whole achievement of Ukraine’s actions, ”said the Crimean political scientist.
      1. vell.65
        vell.65 26 November 2015 22: 46 New
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        Quote: Voha_krim
        Most Crimeans want to return to Ukraine, but only in tanks and with the support of the Navy

        It will be fun_ cruiser "Moscow" in the steppes of Ukraine.
    2. Dembel77
      Dembel77 24 November 2015 08: 15 New
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      It is clear here that everything that happened with the cessation of electricity supply to the Crimea was done with tacit approval Kiev.
      Hardly silent. Most likely there was an instruction, we just find out about this later. True they say: "Everything secret, once becomes apparent." I am sure that the instructions on the energy block of the Russian sovereign territory were dropped by Poroshenko from Washington. He himself has long been deciding nothing. Think not?
      1. kostiknet
        kostiknet 26 November 2015 10: 18 New
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        Quote: Dembel 77
        He himself has long been deciding nothing. Think not?

        "Nobody can lead us astray! We ** ** where to go !!!" This is the true independent policy of Ukraine ... The serf "dark overlord" will order the serf - the serf will happily strangle himself.
    3. mihasik
      mihasik 24 November 2015 15: 22 New
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      Quote: Barboskin
      That's the trick, the fact that they will grow wiser can be no doubt, only no one will rebuild everything back. And they will stay with their products and goods (unless of course they are able to produce something), with their water and their energy.

      Dreams Dreams!
      Where are your sweets?
      Dreams have passed, there are bad things!

      Do you really think that Russia will ever disconnect Ukraine from its energy system?) As they delivered, they will continue to supply! Do not expect "overpowering" over Ukraine, they will not be. This is just a business, as they say, nothing personal. And forget about romantic illusions about an adequate answer. When dreams do not come true, nerves deteriorate, but they must be protected!)
      And at the expense of the Crimea ... Remember the story. We have always given the territories of Russia to the “brothers” with ease, spitting on all the blood of our ancestors spilled over these lands! No, well, but fucking! We didn’t spill it, it’s not a pity! For the return of the primordially Russian lands, it takes place with such losses, deprivations and difficulties that I want to strangle the still living “donors” and those who are only thinking about it with their bare hands!
      But here we are! Good And the story of us idiots does not teach anything!
      1. haak1970
        haak1970 25 November 2015 18: 21 New
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        Do you really think that Russia will ever disconnect Ukraine from its energy system? --- The answer to your question in the article, you can’t transport electric energy)) So the networks are built that we also can’t simply disconnect and disconnect.
        1. Awaz
          Awaz 28 November 2015 20: 18 New
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          Well here is a little different. Electricity production systems in the USSR were many times higher than now and consumption, too. But if Russia did not destroy the EEC and the Soviet system of redistributing the production and consumption of electricity was preserved, you can disconnect from Ukraine.
      2. ksenya
        ksenya 26 November 2015 18: 52 New
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        Quote: mihasik
        I want to strangle still living “donors” with my bare hands and

        Thought too, to smother - a universal desire. And here, in memory of the late donors, business centers are also opening
        1. summer
          summer 27 November 2015 10: 52 New
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          I will not say - "The judge bought, the ball is square, the field is hunchbacked." Thanks to your vote, yesterday washed the first officer star - shard smile
          A little more of my and your efforts and I will become "Darth Vader VO". There is nothing to be surprised at - Odessa is the birthplace of the Darths of Vader, in our country it is innately hereditary. H. Ford had Odessa ancestors in his family.
          However .. Ford had relatives from Minsk, not Odessa, although from ours, from the Jews belay . And he did not play Darth V., but Han Solo. But I am not a great connoisseur and connoisseur of Jewish biographies and space sagas. Do not throw out a beautiful phrase like “Catherine, you were wrong” from the lyrics just because she is lying?
          Most of the generals of VO would have eaten and not so with a bang.

          I’ll analyze a little - the voting “+8, -16” is quite drawn to the results of the battle of Borodino. Especially if you take into account the first day with a total of "+7, -7", then finally Victoria was. But then .. The story is silent about this, although it was a baby elephant.

          The recipe for getting a general's epaulette is quite simple - from the morning, without washing, without brushing your teeth, holding back the urge of the bladder to run to the computer (I’m sure that it doesn’t turn off for inveterate professional marshals at night) and immediately go online, open VO and be the first to shout - "Glory to Ukraine .. Glory to Russia !!!". Although radish is not sweeter.
          Advanced users have already written scripts about “Glory to the Heroes! Death to the enemies!!!". These receive ranks in a dream, lying on their side and in a state of terrible hangover. But then she, laziness, exists - the engine of progress.
          This applies to residents of the ERM. Lucky residents of the Far East do not have to rush anywhere - they earn their title full, washed and with a lightened intestine. It is harder for the residents of Chukotka - they are struggling with sleep in the hope of waiting for the lazy Muscovites from Dusseldorf (experts understand what this is about) to turn on the server and load new food for their immature mind.
          But this is a digression. Or an offensive, someone like that.
          Dali bude ...
          1. summer
            summer 27 November 2015 11: 38 New
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            Attention, a long quote -
            Banshee quote
            To me personally, one thing is clear: Igor Strelkov and Igor Girkin are outstanding representatives of our people and our Armed Forces. Perhaps what he and his associates are doing now does not fit into the framework of international law. Yes, he is very similar in style to Che Guevara. But first of all, it is a Russian person who decided to spend for himself personally on making the life of the same Russian people as they would like to see it.
            And this alone is worthy of respect in the annals of history. Along with the brothers Castro, Che Guevara, Bolivar and similar historical characters. About whom even their enemies spoke with respect.

            http://topwar.ru/48026-portrety-veka-igor-strelkov.html
            The opinion of an outstanding commander, analyst, Girkin, yeah.
            And also “Attention, a long quote” -
            Banshee quote
            Really will not become the same hope and support for the same Russian Donbass? Especially for those who did not sit out at home, but stood to death against fascist evil spirits in Slavyansk, Kramatorsk, Mariupol, Krasnoarmeysk?

            Do we have the right to refuse?

            We do not have. Historically, genetically, but hell knows what. But the Russians in their war do not abandon. This we, it seems, already understood.

            http://topwar.ru/47044-russkie-na-voyne-svoih-ne-brosayut.html
            Is it possible that an adult uncle experienced a revolution in his brain in a year and a half? Brains strengthened? Passed into a new phase state - became solid? Has a novel in Ukraine recently decided to abandon ("throw") only Ukrainians or all together? Russians do not leave their only in predetermined geographical points? Or everywhere and always?

            At Roman KMK, the theme of Ukraine became his "Gavriliada." No offense.
            But “served Gavril as a baker” about stupid and vile stolen is not journalism or even poetry. KVM.

            58 messages for thirty months from September 2011 to February 2014.
            Attention, interest in Ukraine at Banshee arose in one day. An interesting day is February 22, 2014. Since then, the prolific Dumas nervously smokes aside, envious of Roman. Possessing such creative fecundity, Alexander D. Sr. how many Romanov would write, pee ???
            For twenty-one months - 610 articles and exclusively about her, the unfaithful beauty of Ukraine. Blind attacked the stitch .. "Not a day without a line-article." Roman is jealous and vindictive, KVM.

            The ending should be ..
            1. summer
              summer 27 November 2015 11: 54 New
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              And finally, the promised ..
              Banshee - a figure of Irish folklore, woman, which, according to popular belief, is near the house of the doomed to death
              Source - Wiki ..
              Judging by registration and citizenship, you occasionally run into Ukraine (run into), but are a resident of Russia .. ??

              It is appropriate to ask a question - girl, around which house are you rubbing around?

              It comes to mind - "a similar case was in Tambov."
              Attention - a long quote from the book "The Mekong Crew"
              The former commander of the white yacht gave her the sonorous name "Mekonius", which, it seemed to him, was related to Greek mythology. The next day he was met with obscure hints and not very decent jokes. He looked into the encyclopedia, learned that the word is really Greek, but not mythological at all, and did not appear on the yacht club anymore.

              But then the yachtsman of their yacht club, and not an analyst from VO ...

              I already hear the reaction - this is not the Banshee, "this is the other who died." It happens..
              Why don't you take an alias even better? For example, Dolgoruky! Nicephorus Dolgoruky! Or Nicephorus Valois? Or even better - citizen Nikifor Sumarokov-Elston?

              However, you can’t deceive nature - In the film “12 Chairs” (1971), the role of Lyapis-Trubetskoy was played by actor Roman Filippov. Same name? laughing "I do not recognize you in makeup." hi
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    4. Igor F.
      Igor F. 25 November 2015 09: 34 New
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      And a bottle of grease! wassat
      1. summer
        summer 25 November 2015 10: 33 New
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        Gentlemen, firstly, more accurately - I, the author AlexanderStaverRomanSkomorokhov? Dad decides, and Vasya is losing?

        Secondly, maybe stop throwing brushwood in a fire? Russia has few new problems with Turkey?
        Ukrainians are probably good people. Probably smart and kind. Only I saw the last of these in films in films of the 50s
        Very similar to the words of a stupid provocateur. If you separate the flies from cutlets, then probably you should not attack the Ukraine and its inhabitants so zealously. In any case, under attack (in the context of the theme stated by the author) is Ukraine and its residents, not Russia and Russians. Why raise a wave of neglect and hatred of Ukrainians? It is they who suffer from what is happening. Of course, if the author AlexanderStaverRomanSkomorokhov is an indisputable authority request in Ukrainian matters, living from Ukraine at a distance where the INF Treaty is no longer available .. Yes, I ran into it, yes, it brought benefits, yes, Girkina kissed in the ass. And that’s it.

        The attitude of many Borzoi writers about Ukraine is very reminiscent of the actions of the priest Gapon or Evno Azef - balim provocations.

        Through the attitude to Ukraine as to an unfaithful wife - they say, left, despicable, went to another. Again, the presence of a large number of publications, epaulettes of the Marshal, Admiral, or, if introduced as a result of an aggravated international situation, the rank of Generalissimo of the Military Review, six-star epaulets (without a second meaning, if the insignia of the marshal is counted as five-star) does not add weight to the words of a person. Especially if they are not pronounced from a pure heart, but from an unknown calculation. However, it seems to me that I see characteristic ears.

        I'll be back from Ukraine. She is not a wife, but a sister. There are no former sisters, unlike wives. A sister and her people are in trouble - you know who you are under external control. And one must be a cynical fool in order to make fun of it and shout - "Atu her, atu."

        I repeat, Russia was in a similar situation fifteen years ago. And her people left that swamp not like Munchausen, dragging themselves by the collar. He was pulled against his will. At least without his participation. Therefore, neither AlexanderStaverRomanSkomorokhova nor similar cheers-patriots have a right to mock Ukrainians and their problems!

        If you want to see a stupid person, you, the author of the ASRS, you can - a) read the visitors censor, or b) look in the mirror.

        This is nothing more than my point of view. But this word is against the word.
        1. gla172
          gla172 25 November 2015 16: 17 New
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          I do not agree with you Comrade Summer.
          Yes, and most probably too ...
          We have suffered from these pseudo sisters ....
          1. summer
            summer 25 November 2015 22: 28 New
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            Dear, you backed up your disagreement with me with a quote from the Old Testament, the New Testament, the Charter of the CPSU or the Charter of United Russia?

            You quoted someone's joke. Is this a good reason to develop your position? Have you personally suffered? And how exactly?

            Don't you think that you didn’t give your own words and opinions for a reason? Think ...

            It’s sad that such thoughtful and reasoned messages like yours collect approval.
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        2. stur
          stur 25 November 2015 17: 26 New
          -6
          agree old now everything is being done to raise a wave of hatred in Russia towards Ukrainians, the puppeteers are exactly what they are seeking to kill the last fraternal feelings for Ukrainians. Hooray, patriots, think, now in your hatred you are doing what they are seeking from you - hatred, rejection, we are not brothers, and then a full-scale war.

          That bunch of clowns in power is far from all of Ukraine.
          1. KaPToC
            KaPToC 25 November 2015 17: 53 New
            +5
            Each nation is responsible for the actions of its government and its armed forces.
            1. summer
              summer 25 November 2015 18: 10 New
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              Yes? Dear, do you seriously think so?

              Did the Russian people answer for Libya? am
              Or for Iraq? am
              Or at least for Yugoslavia? am am

              Or for Ukraine ??????? am am am

              No need to transfer the "answer for the bazaar" to the whole people. The “bazaar” is responsible for the “bazaar”.
              And the rest may be forced to "pull the ointment." But only to force.

              This is a word. To expand on the topic. So that the roots do not fade ..
              1. haak1970
                haak1970 25 November 2015 18: 25 New
                +5
                Something respected, you often change the flag, on the avatar.
              2. Corsair
                Corsair 25 November 2015 19: 18 New
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                Quote: summer
                Did the Russian people answer for Libya? am
                Or for Iraq? am
                Or at least for Yugoslavia? am am

                Or for Ukraine ???????

                Nuka in more detail from what such walrus Russia should be responsible for these countries? You haven’t messed up anything? Press pity first for Ukraine, then you attribute the Amer sins to us? What kind of diarrhea excuse me in your head?
                Throw ponte-jail words and ponds - is this the main language now in your independent?
                1. summer
                  summer 25 November 2015 21: 54 New
                  -7
                  I wonder, dear, do you despise punctuation marks from patriotic positions, class or national?

                  You honor, and immediately the principle by which Stalin saved the Red Army from the “Colonel General” became clear - such diplomats would have fought.

                  The states I have listed were either allies or strategic allies of Russia. And she left them to their fate. That's all.

                  I do not press pity on Ukraine. You, dear patriot-pirate, do not feel sorry for your right hand?

                  By the way, I do not understand the principle of taking your nickname into service. It seems that Russian is not your native. Do not strain - write in English.

                  PS I’ve read your posts here - the hair on my bald head stood on end! The patented Anika warrior!
                  1. Corsair
                    Corsair 27 November 2015 09: 56 New
                    +1
                    Quote: summer
                    PS I’ve read your posts here - the hair on my bald head stood on end! The patented Anika warrior!

                    I read your posts, you are directly an Expert of a super-wide profile, you all know - and wit is so simple over the edge.
                    My nickname is about 15 years old, I like to read books about pirates - hence the nickname I can’t imagine how it can be connected with patriotism.

                    Z.Y. Yes, I read you, and I feel a little smoke and gives away the powder, I understand that you are from the burning Abrams, write your dispatches, where the Anika Wars are before us heroes. And use proxies so that the enemies do not calculate ...
                    I am taking my leave for the sim, you can not write the answer - it is not of interest.
                    1. summer
                      summer 27 November 2015 19: 56 New
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                      You may not read it, dear pirate. Communication pirate - a patriot, of course in your case, no - just coincided.

                      I am glad that you avoided profanity. Although the previous urge was obvious.

                      Do you understand what and why I wrote to you?

                      I am opposed to throwing caps over enemies (Anika the warrior) and spitting friends (the second favorite pastime of “General VO”).

                      There are topics in which I am well versed, there are topics that I can support, but there are those that I do not confuse with my judgment.

                      I live in a territory "temporarily occupied by the enemy." Neither in Abram nor in T did I sit and sit - the military specialty is different.

                      Forced wit, out of despair.
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            2. little man
              little man 26 November 2015 18: 41 New
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              people, most often, dumb, stupid, but kind sheep. In 1997, walking around Moscow, I saw small posters stuck on poles: "Do not go to Turkey to have a rest, terrorists are supplied with your money." Does anyone remember that? And yet, at the book collapse, handwritten on all kinds of pieces of paper (then there wasn’t such an abundance of paper) the cry of the soul: "Russians, save the Serb brothers!" To my shame I’ll say that I didn’t know who they were and what was happening to these brothers ... It’s painful and embarrassing for our inability to influence the “course of history”
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          4. summer
            summer 25 November 2015 22: 45 New
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            Yuri, stur.
            We are few, but we are in vests. drinks
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    5. spiriolla-45
      spiriolla-45 26 November 2015 10: 09 New
      +1
      Well, not really like that. The world is hungry, and dill agricultural products of good quality and where to sell them. Our market for them is 10-11%. Believe me, agriculture will not be lost, but industry ... but who needs their industry?
  2. Hubun
    Hubun 24 November 2015 06: 55 New
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    No, all the same, certain features of a Ukrainian character that were previously talked about as a joke and jokes exist. Just to play a trick, it will be bad for me, the main thing is that the neighbor would sleep restlessly
    1. uggi
      uggi 24 November 2015 07: 27 New
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      That is yes. Type - Ivan, let me devour, otherwise we * have nothing to do with you under the door))
    2. TiRex
      TiRex 26 November 2015 21: 40 New
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      Not so, it’s just that a certain people make money for bread with caviar, do you think without banknotes people from the right sector went to bring power lines? Someone more, someone less, there are ideological ones, there are those who just like to spend time in this party ...
  3. gla172
    gla172 24 November 2015 06: 56 New
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    As an electrician, I completely agree with the authors!
    1. atalef
      atalef 24 November 2015 07: 15 New
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      Quote: gla172
      As an electrician, I completely agree with the authors!

      But in vain, electricity production in Ukraine is about 40t MW, Crimea's consumption is 1tmW at maximum, the capacity of the largest generator is about 550mW.
      Why do I pay attention to this, i.e. according to the rules, the reserves should be at least the capacity of the largest generator, and in fact, no less than 20% of the power of the power system i.e. 8tmw.
      Turning off the Crimea in no way will kill the energy system of Ukraine.
      That's honest. From an energy point of view hi
      1. Mountain shooter
        Mountain shooter 24 November 2015 07: 28 New
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        I agree with you, if not for one but. The energy system of Ukraine is not tied into a single network! A decent part of the Northeast is tied to Russia, and there is no flow from South to North. Therefore, it is necessary to consider the southern part of the energy system of Ukraine separately. I'm not talking about the fact that the central part "sits" on coal-fired thermal power plants, which are hungry, and it is IMPOSSIBLE to connect the Zaporizhzhya and South-Ukrainian NPPs there, since they did not bother to build the corresponding power lines and substations.
        1. atalef
          atalef 24 November 2015 07: 47 New
          +7
          Quote: Mountain Shooter
          I agree with you, if not for one but. The energy system of Ukraine is not tied into a single network! A decent part of the Northeast is tied to Russia, and there is no flow from South to North. Therefore, it is necessary to consider the southern part of the energy system of Ukraine separately. I'm not talking about the fact that the central part "sits" on coal-fired thermal power plants, which are hungry, and it is IMPOSSIBLE to connect the Zaporizhzhya and South-Ukrainian NPPs there, since they did not bother to build the corresponding power lines and substations.

          Well, these are trifles, in fact, would Crimea have seceded in such a way, do you think the Ukrainians didn’t get energy for this? then, well, the old stations will be decommissioned -1tMvt -maximum 4 generators, loop a couple of local networks technically feasible -financial losses, but there is no mortal danger
          1. vorobey
            vorobey 24 November 2015 08: 02 New
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            Quote: atalef
            Well these are trifles


            Hi Sanya ... they don’t think about trifles now ... they think globally ... Europe is being saved from us ..
          2. Senior manager
            Senior manager 24 November 2015 09: 32 New
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            atalef / All these little things that Ukraine creates, if summed up, you get a full paragraph of everything, even not counting the little things for a minor reorganization, tighten up here, tweak it there, throw the postings, etc. and there is no money and is not expected. The rope breaks along a string, and at the end it is avalanche-like. Something like this.
          3. SALLAK
            SALLAK 24 November 2015 09: 42 New
            +3
            What kind of mobile generators are these ??? 250 MW each ??? you don’t have to rave ... Yes, and that the entire Crimea of ​​1 MW is also doubtful ...
          4. avt
            avt 24 November 2015 09: 52 New
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            Quote: atalef
            Well these are trifles

            To invest serious money and extend at least hundreds, or even a thousand kilometers of power lines in a short time!? laughing Klitschko led by Yaytsenyuha pull? wassat
          5. max702
            max702 24 November 2015 11: 02 New
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            Quote: atalef
            And undermining the towers until December and actually disconnecting from the Ukrainian power system is just like that, Natsik’s swan song after, it would have been useless

            But I categorically agree with this! For this, everything was done! And this is confirmed by the fact that the energy bridge is really being made, and in the near future it will work! I don’t believe in the catastrophe of energy networks. everything there is really looped over and provided for by the norms of the USSR, that is, with a large margin, but if the "human" factor interfered and a lot of what should be sold for color-met ... then yes, in this case, there may be trouble ..
            1. plotnikov561956
              plotnikov561956 24 November 2015 13: 37 New
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              "" ... really everything is looped and provided for by the standards of the USSR.

              The concept of "looping" in this case is simply an exaggeration of the question .. the ukrov energy system consists of several local power systems ..5 maybe a little more. The flow possibilities are also limited ... it is likely that areas receiving energy from Russia will be faced with the issue of disconnecting energy-intensive facilities .Energy is not sand you won’t take away. Ukraine once again stepped on a rake ... as the power engineer is sure, the working staff of the ukrov system is now running all over the soap
          6. saruman
            saruman 24 November 2015 11: 52 New
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            Quote: atalef
            Well, these are trifles, in fact, would Crimea have seceded in such a way, do you think the Ukrainians didn’t get energy for this? then, well, the old stations will be decommissioned -1tMvt - maximum 4 generators


            This is amusing. For Ukraine, all the little things. Well, think about it, we will take some more power units out of operation, close some more industrial enterprises from the scoop’s heritage, so that “we don’t work for Russia”, we won’t trade with Raska, etc. The farther into the forest ... Peremoga!
            Ukrainians still seriously believe that having chopped off one leg they will quickly jump into a brighter future ...
          7. goose
            goose 24 November 2015 16: 44 New
            +1
            Quote: atalef
            loop a couple of LANs - technically feasible - there will be financial losses, but there is no mortal danger

            Firstly, there simply are no such networks; the energy system is divided into regions without the possibility of significant maneuver. That is, it is necessary to consider the problem of a specific region, and there the share is not 1%. Secondly, such schemes, even if they could be implemented, will reduce the maximum consumption by more than 2 times, which will lead again in the 90s with norms, blackouts at night, etc. annoying bad stuff. There is nothing acceptable here, it is a collapse of the social sphere, transport and industry.
            1. atalef
              atalef 24 November 2015 22: 07 New
              0
              Quote: goose
              Quote: atalef
              loop a couple of LANs - technically feasible - there will be financial losses, but there is no mortal danger

              Firstly, there simply are no such networks; the energy system is divided into regions without the possibility of significant maneuver. That is, it is necessary to consider the problem of a specific region, and there the share is not 1%. Secondly, such schemes, even if they could be implemented, will reduce the maximum consumption by more than 2 times, which will lead again in the 90s with norms, blackouts at night, etc. annoying bad stuff. There is nothing acceptable here, it is a collapse of the social sphere, transport and industry.

              What you said here is not entirely clear, expand the answer if possible and just in case, consult why there are lines in one power system, both for 500 and 330,2200,110 kV
          8. 9lvariag
            9lvariag 24 November 2015 21: 56 New
            +2
            Well, yes, the accountant is an amateur. Sitting in Israel is good to count. In fact, even the Ukrainians themselves do not know what works for them, and what has already died.
            Do not believe? We visit the Sevastopol TPP -2, there are 3 turbines. So the director, in 2013, gave the order to buy superglue and glue the cracked shaft of the TGA rotor (turbine unit). This is because they could not find such a turbine. And to glue for the commission - they say they removed it to the reserve.
            The average life of transformers is more than 25 years! Although the oil in them is supposed to be completely changed every five years. Disconnectors are almost the same and the same number. Poles of the power lines of the 70s of the 20th century!
            By the way, according to the statement of the commission with Azarov (of course he is not a builder). bridges in Nikolaev, are in almost emergency condition! This is irrelevant, but it shows the state of affairs in the economy of ukrov.
            1. atalef
              atalef 24 November 2015 22: 11 New
              +2
              Quote: 9lvariag
              Well, yes, the accountant is an amateur. Sitting in Israel is good to count. In fact, even the Ukrainians themselves do not know what works for them, and what has already died.
              Do not believe? We visit the Sevastopol TPP -2, there are 3 turbines. So the director, in 2013, gave the order to buy superglue and glue the cracked shaft of the TGA rotor (turbine unit). This is because they could not find such a turbine. And to glue for the commission - they say they removed it to the reserve.
              The average life of transformers is more than 25 years! Although the oil in them is supposed to be completely changed every five years. Disconnectors are almost the same and the same number. Poles of the power lines of the 70s of the 20th century!
              By the way, according to the statement of the commission with Azarov (of course he is not a builder). bridges in Nikolaev, are in almost emergency condition! This is irrelevant, but it shows the state of affairs in the economy of ukrov.

              The average service life of transformers is over 40 years, oil. Every 5 years it doesn’t change, the pillars of the 70s are nothing surprising and scary, the disconnectors are no conversation, I saw and older, if it works, what's the problem?
              How the turbine shaft was glued together - if its weight in tons is 70-90, I hope you tell us, with respect!
              1. Good me
                Good me 24 November 2015 22: 34 New
                +5
                Quote: atalef
                How the turbine shaft was glued together - if its weight in tons is 70-90, I hope you tell us, with respect!


                It is said, SUPER ADHESIVE ... Many, many, tubes winked .
                1. atalef
                  atalef 24 November 2015 22: 48 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Good I
                  Quote: atalef
                  How the turbine shaft was glued together - if its weight in tons is 70-90, I hope you tell us, with respect!


                  It is said, SUPER ADHESIVE ... Many, many, tubes winked .

                  good
              2. Ramzai
                Ramzai 25 November 2015 23: 23 New
                +2
                The average service life of transformers is over 40 years, oil. Every 5 years it doesn’t change, the pillars of the 70s are nothing surprising and scary, the disconnectors are no conversation, I saw and older, if it works, what's the problem?

                Dear, I don’t want to offend you, but you just as poorly imagine the work of the energy system. You wrote the right person. With a service life of more than 25 years, its operation turns into a lottery. You can change the oil at least every day if you have a transformer disconnected from technological protections every day. Moreover, according to the norms, it is necessary to carry out the selection and analysis of oil once every half a year. Do you say disconnectors are older? And you did not try to manage such disconnectors. On new ones, after 5 years, all rods and block contacts rust. And you're talking about 30 year olds. Yes, no one touches them, so start to breed him heap nafig with support.
                But in vain, electricity production in Ukraine is about 40t MW, Crimea's consumption is 1tmW at maximum, the capacity of the largest generator is about 550mW.
                Why do I pay attention to this, i.e. according to the rules, the reserves should be at least the capacity of the largest generator, and in fact, no less than 20% of the power of the power system i.e. 8tmw.
                Turning off the Crimea in no way will kill the energy system of Ukraine.
                That's honest. From an energy point of view

                An emergency load shedding of 500 MW is a system accident, accompanied by the operation of the PA in the entire adjacent network! At a minimum, after this, they fell apart in frequency, then they synchronized for another day. We have two ATs recently disconnected due to the loss of their own needs, since the whole UES is already in the know, instructions for all personnel are correct. And you easily dump 500 MW without consequences for the equipment.
                loop a couple of LANs - technically feasible - there will be financial losses, but there is no mortal danger

                Really! What is easier! It’s the fact that for the second year in the Crimea they have been making energy bridges, but it was necessary to loop a couple of lines. In order to loop something somewhere, it is necessary to build substations and lines. What actually is being done in Taman and Kerch.
                1. atalef
                  atalef 26 November 2015 00: 08 New
                  0
                  Quote: Ramzai
                  Dear, I don’t want to offend you, but you just as poorly imagine the work of the energy system

                  One more ? Do you breed by budding today?
                  Quote: Ramzai
                  With a service life of more than 25 years, its operation turns into a lottery

                  What are you saying ? We have more than half t-ditches (30MVA) 45-year-olds

                  Quote: Ramzai
                  Oil can be changed at least every day, if you have a transformer disconnected from technological protections every day

                  What protections? By gas? Or electric?
                  the first oil test for dissolved gases will show you the problem and malfunction.

                  Quote: Ramzai
                  At the same time, according to the standards, it is necessary to select and analyze oil once every half a year

                  Once every 2 years - tangent delta and breakdown voltage, once a year - dissolved gases and furans

                  Quote: Ramzai
                  Do you say disconnectors are older? And you did not try to manage such disconnectors.

                  Almost daily (by the way, we do not have short-circuit breakers)
                  Quote: Ramzai
                  On new after 5 years, all the traction and block contacts rust

                  Where did you get it? You tried to install the thermal elements in the control cabinets (with thermostats, of course) RITAL is the best
                  Quote: Ramzai
                  Yes, no one touches them, so start to breed him heap nafig with support.

                  Serve like that
                  Quote: Ramzai
                  500 MW variational load shedding is a system crash accompanied by PA operation in the entire adjacent network! At least after this, they fell apart in frequency, then synchronized for another day

                  no . we have a load drop of 550MW (one generator does not lead to frequency outages.)
                  Two rings 160kV and 400kV

                  Quote: Ramzai
                  We have two ATs recently disconnected due to the loss of their own needs, since the whole UES is already in the know, instructions for all personnel are correct. And you easily dump 500 MW without consequences for the equipment.

                  And shutting down the device at 45-55MVA never led to an interruption of power for more than 40 seconds.
                  And in the event that 2 tanks of 45 MVA are sitting on the same bus assemblies, this is not the case either.
                  Quote: Ramzai
                  Really! What is easier! It’s the fact that for the second year in the Crimea they have been making energy bridges, but it was necessary to loop a couple of lines.

                  There is nothing to ring in Crimea, they have no generation
                  Quote: Ramzai
                  In order to loop something somewhere, it is necessary to build substations and lines. What actually is being done in Taman and Kerch.

                  It . to bring extra power to the system.
                  They are just weak.
                  1. Ramzai
                    Ramzai 26 November 2015 01: 32 New
                    +3
                    One more ? Do you breed by budding today?
                    I have no idea what such "experts" in the energy sector are propagating in Israel.
                    What are you saying ? We have more than half t-ditches (30MVA) 45-year-olds
                    Congratulations! So soon start pulling out "happy tickets" in the form of blackouts.
                    Once every 2 years - tangent delta and breakdown voltage, once a year - dissolved gases and furans
                    These are Israeli norms. In Russia, the norm is once every half a year.
                    the first oil test for dissolved gases will show you the problem and malfunction.
                    And what did I write about? You wrote that you do not change the oil.
                    By the way, we do not have short-circuit breakers

                    You do not have 100 km lines either and the most powerful transformer is 30 MVA.
                    Where did you get it? You tried to install the thermal elements in the control cabinets (with thermostats, of course) RITAL is the best

                    What are you dear about? Can you tell the disconnector from the drive control cabinet?
                    Serve like that

                    We do everything on PTE.
                    no . we have a load drop of 550MW (one generator does not lead to frequency outages.)
                    Two rings 160kV and 400kV

                    What a complex power system !!! Already two rings !!! A map of the South MES network would be shown to you so that the rings try to count.
                    And shutting down the device at 45-55MVA never led to an interruption of power for more than 40 seconds.
                    And in the event that 2 tanks of 45 MVA are sitting on the same bus assemblies, this is not the case either.

                    And where did I write what we have? Your 45-55 MVA is just a laugh. In the accident that I described, two ATs of 125 MVA fell off))) and there was no power failure anywhere. Feel the difference?
                    Judging by the parameters that you give us, the network diagram, even at the local PMES level, is more complicated than the entire Israeli energy system.
                    There is nothing to ring in Crimea, they have no generation

                    Generally does not change the essence of the problem. There is generation in the Krasnodar Territory. She is associated with the Crimea. I wrote to you about the fact that if you have generation, and there is no infrastructure in the form of substation, then there is nothing to ring.
                    It . to bring extra power to the system.
                    They are just weak.

                    Who is weak? What are you talking about?
                    1. atalef
                      atalef 26 November 2015 07: 02 New
                      0
                      Quote: Ramzai
                      Congratulations! So soon start pulling out "happy tickets" in the form of blackouts.

                      According to you, they should be dragging around for 20 years
                      Quote: Ramzai
                      What did I write about? You wrote that you do not change the oil.

                      Taking oil for a test and changing are completely different things.
                      Quote: Ramzai
                      You do not have 100 km lines either and the most powerful transformer is 30 MVA.

                      Well, suppose there is
                      Well, 30mva is the weakest.
                      The bulk is 45-55mVA, but the largest is 625mVA

                      Quote: Ramzai
                      What are you dear about? Can you tell the disconnector from the drive control cabinet?

                      do not understand ? So you have the disconnector contacts rust belay
                      I'm out
                      Quote: Ramzai
                      What a complex power system !!! Already two rings !!! A map of the South MES network would be shown to you so that the rings try to count.

                      not necessary, the system is characterized neither by its complexity, but by the number of unplanned outages by the termination of the supply of electric energy
                      Moreover, I’m talking about 161 and 400 kV, what I do, 24 kV - I don’t touch internal networks
                      Quote: Ramzai
                      And where did I write what we have? Your 45-55 MVA is just a laugh. In the accident that I described, two ATs of 125 MVA fell off)

                      This is more serious.
                      They disconnected from us, the system did not fall out of synchrun
                      Quote: Ramzai
                      Judging by the parameters that you give us, the network diagram, even at the local PMES level, is more complicated than the entire Israeli energy system.

                      Well, of course, everything is complicated for you.
                      What generation do you have? How many consumers? What is the average consumption of electric energy per consumer? How many unplanned power outages (in minutes) - then compare
                      Quote: Ramzai
                      . There is generation in the Krasnodar Territory. She is associated with the Crimea. I wrote to you that if you have generation, and there is no infrastructure in the form of substation, then there is nothing to ring

                      And if there is generation, why is there no infrastructure?
                      Quote: Ramzai
                      Who is weak? What are you talking about?

                      Speak yourself - there is nothing to ring, there is no infrastructure.
                      1. Ramzai
                        Ramzai 26 November 2015 13: 12 New
                        +2
                        Quote: atalef
                        Taking oil for a test and changing are completely different things.

                        Thanks for the clarification "did not know." You wrote that the oil does not change every five years. I answered you that during emergency shutdowns of the transformer, if the analysis shows it needs to be changed. But an accident such a thing can stand for 10 years and nothing will happen, or it may turn off once a month.

                        Quote: atalef
                        The bulk is 45-55mVA, but the largest is 625mVA

                        Well, we have such frail trances - this is the level of local RESs, the level of PMESs of 125 and more, any nodal substation of at least 125 MVA, and 630 MVA are ordinary block transces at nuclear power plants.

                        Quote: atalef
                        do not understand ? So you have the disconnector contacts rust
                        I'm out

                        I don’t know what kind of outback you are in there, but the rods rust, be healthy and the BC too if the disconnectors are already over 30 years old. You do not compare your climate with ours, we have as it were snowing half a year, and the operating conditions are more severe at times.

                        Quote: atalef
                        not necessary, the system is characterized neither by its complexity, but by the number of unplanned outages by the termination of the supply of electric energy

                        You are confused in definitions. Unplanned outages relate to the concept of system reliability. This is one of the characteristics of any power system and is complex and simple. Our complex is more complicated than the Israeli one, but reliability is not affected.
                        Also, what are unplanned outages? Is it a shutdown due to a failure of the main equipment or improper protection actions?

                        Quote: atalef
                        Moreover, I’m talking about 161 and 400 kV, what I do, 24 kV - I don’t touch internal networks

                        And here I touch on the entire voltage class from 6 kV to 500 kV.


                        Quote: atalef
                        This is more serious.
                        They disconnected from us, the system did not fall out of synchrun

                        Seriously, but not critical. Moreover, the AT disconnected with an interval of half an hour. But as crests fell at once at 500 MW, then asynchronous operation would immediately begin, and then the frequency would creep up. With all this, a sharp drop in load is much worse than its excess, because the turbine generator begins to accelerate. Simply put, a loss of 500 MW is a major accident for any power system.

                        Quote: atalef
                        Well, of course, everything is complicated for you.
                        What generation do you have? How many consumers? What is the average consumption of electric energy per consumer? How many unplanned power outages (in minutes) - then compare

                        What power system interests you. Unlike you, we have eight of them and all of them are interconnected by intersystem connections. I think eight is more complicated than one)))

                        Quote: atalef
                        And if there is generation, why is there no infrastructure?

                        The obvious thing, because the Crimea received electricity from Ukraine)))). Now this infrastructure will be.
      2. Throw
        Throw 24 November 2015 07: 32 New
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        atalef
        The opposite is true)), we are not talking about the reserve, but about excess power, which has nowhere to go, because of which the generation, reactors, are transferred to non-optimal modes.
        1. atalef
          atalef 24 November 2015 08: 12 New
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          Quote: Lance
          atalef
          The opposite is true)), we are not talking about the reserve, but about excess power, which has nowhere to go, because of which the generation, reactors, are transferred to non-optimal modes.

          reactors can also regulate power. NPP is the same thermal.
          Simply, the most optimal mode is the operation of turbines (thermal power plants - at 95% power 0 and not because of the impossibility of regulating the loads by boilers, but because of the change in the thermal regime of the turbine blades and as a result of expansion and compression thereof, which reduces the boiler resource and reactivity.
          Therefore, let us take it as an axiom - it is possible to regulate - but it is harmful.
          Peak loads are damped (best 0 hydropower plants.
          if we take the consumption of Crimea from Ukrenergo 800mW (at the peak) i.e. about 500mW in normal mode, i.e. what thought begs you?
          This power is not more than 1 generator 9 of a local system, and will not lead to the death of the system.
          I already wrote about further loopbacks.
          Anyway. understand. the lines of the entire system are looped around equally, even if they are relatively local along the flow of capacities. otherwise, we get into the problem of general synchronization of the system, including with the RAO EU - part of the same energy is received (Krym) from Russia. which means they must be synchronized.
          In general, these articles - like without Donbass, Ukraine will die, without Crimea - the energy system will die
          They are written by misunderstood language - neither technically. nor economically.
          lead people into a confusion. and then questions come up.
          like - why didn't you die? and there’s no one to answer, the authors have already got their bouquets and podavchuyut on their laurels.
          Article minus is not technically justified.
          1. goose
            goose 24 November 2015 16: 56 New
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            Quote: atalef
            reactors can also regulate power. NPP is the same thermal.

            You do not understand. Excessive thermal power cannot be diverted from the reactors. Changing the regime of a reactor with such large active zones with hundreds of tons of materials is not one day. In any case, it will be necessary to shut down the reactor, due to the burnup mode of the fuel elements. And then its launch, which is expensive. The shutdown of the reactor is guaranteed to lead to a waste of resources of uranium assemblies. But most likely, there will not be a change in the operating mode of nuclear power plants. These are practically free sources of electricity, real gifts that the USSR gave to Ukraine.

            Quote: atalef
            if we take the consumption of Crimea from Ukrenergo 800mW (at the peak) i.e. about 500mW in normal mode, i.e. what thought begs you?

            This is the consumption of one Simferopol.


            Quote: atalef
            Anyway. understand. the lines of the entire system are looped around equally, even if they are relatively local along the flow of capacities. otherwise, we get into the problem of general synchronization of the system, including with the RAO EU - part of the same energy is received (Krym) from Russia. which means they must be synchronized.

            Do you know the structure of power lines? Firstly, there are not enough lines, there are VERY limited possibilities, which, by the way, cannot be made a switch, but you need to invest money and send teams to work. And the maximum of these opportunities lies at around 10%, if all possible efforts are made. The possibilities of this power are equal to zero, because they do not spend a dime.
            Quote: atalef
            In general, these articles - like without Donbass, Ukraine will die, without Crimea - the energy system will die
            They are written by misunderstood language - neither technically. nor economically.
            lead people into a confusion. and then questions come up.

            Indeed, the regions focused on thermal power plants and state district power stations, operating on coal, as soon as the coal runs out, will feel extremely uncomfortable.
            1. atalef
              atalef 24 November 2015 22: 23 New
              0
              Quote: goose
              You do not understand. Excessive thermal power cannot be diverted from the reactors. Changing the regime of a reactor with such large active zones with hundreds of tons of materials is not one day.

              You explain to me how every year the turbines are brought to the schedule or an emergency shutdown from the network occurs (with the same load drop) - so where does that go or do the reactors change?
              Do you know what graphite rods are, neutron moderation and what do they do in the core?
              Quote: goose
              . The shutdown of the reactor is guaranteed to lead to a waste of resources of uranium assemblies.

              but why stop it, is it enough to introduce the rods as much as possible and holding the reactor in idle mode, just cool it (letting water from the turbine heat exchangers onto the cooling heat exchangers
              Quote: goose
              This is the consumption of one Simferopol.

              So what ?
              Quote: goose
              Do you know the structure of power lines?

              Much better than you
              Quote: goose
              Firstly, there are not enough lines, there are VERY limited possibilities, which, by the way, cannot be made with a switch

              What do you mean ?
              Quote: goose
              the maximum of these possibilities lies at around 10%, if all possible efforts are made. The possibilities of this power are equal to zero, because they do not spend a dime.

              many words - I didn’t catch my thoughts. So what's the problem?
              Quote: goose
              Indeed, coal-fired regions focused on thermal power plants and state district power plants will feel extremely uncomfortable as soon as the coal runs out.

              Do you know what RAO UES is? (Ukraine has its own EES) and why are they called that?
          2. Sterlya
            Sterlya 24 November 2015 22: 00 New
            +6
            Let's see in short. Their system will be covered, well, to hell with it. No, so well, x ... th with them wassat
          3. 9lvariag
            9lvariag 24 November 2015 22: 09 New
            +1
            So tell me how to regulate? Hydroelectric power station is possible, though it is not said here that it is easy to arrange an environmental disaster on the Dnieper or a flood in Nikolaev and Kherson. I do not know. like there at VVR, but RBMK reactors could be raised after the operation of the AZ only after 24 hours! And all this time the reactor itself gives heat and it needs to be pumped with refrigerant and monitor it. If you don’t want to get another “Exclusion Zone” like Fukushima and ChaES!
            Those. the fact that you generate the reactor itself also consumes.
            Therefore, at the bases of nuclear submarines and nuclear powered ships. powerful coastal power sources are provided. First of all, in order that it would not be excruciatingly painful.
            The reactor itself, this is not your machine, its reactivity stages are not static. And if you have already fallen into the "iodine pit" below 200 MW of 1000 MW (IMHO and for each type has its own threshold) then shushё, the reactor will be poisoned by decay products.
            What I wrote is IMHO. I did not build a nuclear power plant, but my retired colleague was building the Beloyarsk nuclear power plant.
            1. atalef
              atalef 24 November 2015 22: 29 New
              +1
              Quote: 9lvariag
              So tell me how to regulate?

              Just want a little hint? A nuclear submarine is a floating power plant - can it regulate speed? And when is it standing at the pier, what about the reactor?
              Quote: 9lvariag
              ? Hydroelectric power station is possible, though it is not said here that it is easy to arrange an environmental disaster on the Dnieper or a flood in Nikolaev and Kherson.

              Well, yes, if not a hydroelectric power station, what is better for damping peaks? \
              Quote: 9lvariag
              I do not know. like there at VVR, but RBMK reactors could be raised after the operation of the AZ only after 24 hours!

              Of course, after an emergency steam discharge, its accumulation takes over 17 hours. how can reactors be brought to full capacity? if steam is not accumulated? Balance Must Be - Thermodynamics
              Quote: 9lvariag
              Therefore, at the bases of nuclear submarines and nuclear powered ships. powerful coastal power sources are provided. First of all, in order that it would not be excruciatingly painful.

              What is painfully painful? Or maybe in order not to kill the resource of turbines at the base?
              Quote: 9lvariag
              And if you have already fallen into the "iodine pit" below 200 MW of 1000 MW (IMHO and for each type has its own threshold) then shushё, the reactor will be poisoned by decay products.

              Do not understand . what is it for?
              Quote: 9lvariag
              I did not build a nuclear power plant, but my retired colleague was building the Beloyarsk nuclear

              Oh, I see
              "Oh, I do not like Caruso!" “Have you listened to him?” “Yeah, the neighbor sang!” laughing

              1. 9lvariag
                9lvariag 25 November 2015 22: 52 New
                +2
                In short, my dear, you are in theory and calculating the money of the Tsakhal, for military expenses - there may be pros! But in nuclear energy. all the more so in nuclear weapons - it seems like a complete sucker.
                For your reference, the VMG (if you know what it is), the oil changes after 5 emergency operations. At the same time, it is taken out of operation and completely disassembled.
                Beams (supporting) of power transmission lines are changed every 5-7 years, depending on the area of ​​icing. Although what is your ice there?
                Troubleshooting of insulator switchgear and switchgear is performed once a year. And after an emergency or closures immediately.
                The service life of OHL towers in the middle zone of the Russian Federation is no more than 25 years (depends on many conditions)
      3. Mik13
        Mik13 24 November 2015 07: 37 New
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        Quote: atalef
        . according to the rules, the reserves should be at least the capacity of the largest generator, and in fact, no less than 20% of the power of the power system i.e. 8tmW.
        Turning off the Crimea in no way will kill the energy system of Ukraine.


        And NPPs are not used as maneuvering capacities. NEVER.
        It can be a thermal power station, but ideal for these purposes is a hydroelectric power station. They are able to change power almost instantly. Outside Ukraine they are fucked, to say the least. Dnieper cascade. And they had to compensate for the loss of the Crimea.

        But what exactly happened, what had to withdraw the nuclear power plant - is unclear.
        The most rational solution in this situation would be to reduce energy production at thermal power plants (and save gas and coal).
        1. atalef
          atalef 24 November 2015 08: 26 New
          +5
          Quote: Mik13
          But what exactly happened, what had to withdraw the nuclear power plant - is unclear.

          It is also understood that a one-time catastrophic load shedding and, as a consequence, an increase in frequency.
          frequency emergency shutdown with boiler steam reset.
          I watched such things once or twice
          Quote: Mik13
          The most rational solution in this situation would be to reduce energy production at thermal power plants (and save gas and coal).

          This is what will happen, coal-fired power plants will be put into hot reserve (with steam being kept at a minimum level)
          Quote: Mountain Shooter
          I'm not talking about the fact that the central part "sits" on coal-fired power plants, which are hungry, and Zaporizhzhya and South-Ukrainian NPPs can’t be connected there, because the corresponding power lines and substations were not bothered to build

          it is quite possible, but you understand very well that nuclear power plants (especially 2) in a somewhat localized system are never built or designed. if an emergency load increase of 800mW almost leads to its collapse.
          Sorry, but I'm a little familiar with energy as in Russia (and not only) - such things are not permissible from the point of view of design. nor in terms of economic justification for the existence of this system.
      4. yousha1980
        yousha1980 24 November 2015 08: 34 New
        +7
        As far as I understand, are you talking about a reserve of generating capacities?
        And the author talks about the critical underutilization of nuclear power plants. In case of insufficient demand for this energy, put in the camps. A nuclear power plant cannot operate at idle. If I am wrong, correct.
        1. atalef
          atalef 24 November 2015 08: 40 New
          -12
          Quote: yousha1980
          As far as I understand, are you talking about a reserve of generating capacities? And the author speaks of a critical underutilization of nuclear power plants

          500 MW (s)? belay
          Does the author live in a parallel universe?
          He and energy are in different universes and the author writes complete nonsense.
        2. Mik13
          Mik13 24 November 2015 08: 46 New
          +4
          Quote: yousha1980
          As far as I understand, are you talking about a reserve of generating capacities?
          And the author talks about the critical underutilization of nuclear power plants. In case of insufficient demand for this energy, put in the camps. A nuclear power plant cannot operate at idle. If I am wrong, correct.


          According to Wikipedia, as of 2011, the capacity structure looked like this:

          TPP and CHP - 57,5% (25472 MW)
          NPP - 29,6% (13107 MW)
          HPPs and PSPPs (pumped storage power plants) - 12,4% (5500 MW)


          This is also with the Crimea and the Donbass. There, too, TPPs fell out, but in the Donbass - not quite - there everything seems to be not so clear ...

          So in any case, problems with the load for nuclear power plants with such initial ones should not arise even theoretically.
      5. Ramzai
        Ramzai 24 November 2015 12: 12 New
        +4
        I agree that load shedding will not kill the Ukrainian energy system. Will not kill immediately. Well, a little anti-emergency automation has worked, well, the generators have been unloaded - not a problem, then it’s PA. But the fact that they now have nowhere to put an excess of power, i.e. selling is a problem. They received normal money for electricity. Accordingly, less will be spent on overhauls and maintenance, but this will kill the energy system of Ukraine.
      6. Xergey
        Xergey 24 November 2015 13: 11 New
        +1
        it’s a little off topic, but Atalef you are reasoning about Ukraine very correctly from the point of view of energy, everything is pragmatic and realistic, but why don’t you (Israel) talk about Iran, you should understand that your phobias are the same as well as energy in Ukraine.
        1. Manul
          Manul 24 November 2015 13: 44 New
          +1
          Quote: KSergey
          but Atalef, you talk about Ukraine very correctly in terms of energy, everything is pragmatic and realistic, but why don’t you (Israel) talk about Iran, you should understand that your phobias are the same as the energy of Ukraine

          The topic of the article is because hi
      7. Corsair
        Corsair 25 November 2015 19: 21 New
        0
        Quote: atalef
        But in vain, electricity production in Ukraine is about 40t MW, Crimea's consumption is 1tmW at maximum, the capacity of the largest generator is about 550mW.

        what Does this production take into account depreciation of equipment - gas and coal shortages? Need to build jumpers for energy distribution in the south-eastern regions of Ukraine?
  4. seregatara1969
    seregatara1969 24 November 2015 07: 02 New
    +3
    and without electricity will remain ordinary residents of hohland
    1. domokl
      domokl 24 November 2015 07: 06 New
      14
      If only that. Zaporizhzhya and South Ukrainian NPPs have already critically reduced the load. And this in the conditions of Ukrainian service and repair of stations threatens new Chernobyl. AU not only provides electricity, but also is a rather serious danger to others. Of course, if you throw everything on its own and use all sorts of rubbish instead of the fuel.
      1. atalef
        atalef 24 November 2015 09: 10 New
        0
        Quote: domokl
        If only that. Zaporizhzhya and South Ukrainian NPPs have already critically reduced the load. And this in the conditions of Ukrainian service and repair of stations threatens new Chernobyl. AU not only provides electricity, but also is a rather serious danger to others. Of course, if you throw everything on its own and use all sorts of rubbish instead of the fuel.

        Hi Sanya
        Don’t worry, there’s nothing of this and there will be no Chernobyl, there hasn’t been a case yet that a 500mW power system would fall, and even with two nuclear power plants
        1. domokl
          domokl 24 November 2015 09: 45 New
          +6
          Quote: atalef
          Don’t worry, there’s nothing and Chernobyl will not

          Hi myself laughing I'm not worried ... For me, Ukrainian Chernobyls are about as scary as they are for you ...
          But the fact that these two nuclear power plants are already in critical conditions is already said by Ukrainians. But I can’t really judge it .. You’re a pro ...
          But in general, you know, Sash, these flickers have already begun to bother me ... Not a country, but onion grief. And that does not live. Well, they want to be independent, so be .. No, you need to knock a neighbor under the door
          1. Gardamir
            Gardamir 24 November 2015 11: 05 New
            +6
            But in general, you know, these flickers have already begun to bother me ... Not a country but onion grief
            Just about, maybe we’ll take a lesser look at neighbors in the garden, and more articles about our country? There is something to be proud of, we will be proud of. There is something to criticize, we will criticize.
            For example, I'm proud. that our country has reached a high degree of civil society and that now taxes from truckers will be collected by a private company. True, as one “citizen of a lie” said, all truckers are agents of the State Department.
            Or tomorrow, in honor of Boris the Great, the Yeltsin Center will open for the construction of which they spent only 7 lard.
        2. aleks 62 next
          aleks 62 next 24 November 2015 09: 47 New
          0
          ..... there has not yet been a case that a 500mW would bring down the power system, and even with two nuclear power plants ...

          .... There is no power system like under the Union ..... Even under Timokh in the 90s they partially reworked (everything was separated) ..... From this they have small problems with nuclear power plants ....
  5. inkass_98
    inkass_98 24 November 2015 07: 04 New
    +7
    will all Tatars or law-enforcers allow the restoration of Crimea’s energy supply. Who will ask them? Believe me, any sneeze of all these “blockades” will be so crushed by punitive battalions tomorrow ...

    Yes, I don’t believe it yet. And instead of overclocking the nation of idiots, power units of the NPP are shut off. I agree that the puppy should die as soon as possible, but somehow I don’t want Chernobyl again, only closer to the house and the Black Sea. External control can lead to such an environmental disaster that it is easier to actually send troops to restore basic order. It is possible that this is exactly what our friends expect from us beyond the puddle. They don’t give a damn about the Aborigines, but we have another crossroads.
    1. puzyr
      puzyr 24 November 2015 07: 40 New
      +3
      / the puppy should die as soon as possible /

      Thank you, pleased!
    2. satris
      satris 24 November 2015 08: 10 New
      0
      First, to bang on "friends outside the puddle", and only then you can enter anything and anywhere.
  6. Volga Cossack
    Volga Cossack 24 November 2015 07: 05 New
    +4
    Give energomaydan !!!!! la la la !!!! pah no words !!!!! I’ll gouge out my eye - what would the neighbor have - the neighbor was a curve - right by the joke))))
    1. uggi
      uggi 24 November 2015 07: 29 New
      +1
      Or. Spite the neighbor frostbitten ears))
  7. Born in USSR
    Born in USSR 24 November 2015 07: 07 New
    +5
    Personally, I don’t care what they stir up there, in the end when the government pays attention to us. For me, so let not the brothers what they want and do, this is their headache. Why do we have to pay for all these jumps. And the fact that they chopped off the energy of Crimea, so he didn’t get treated by the scribe either.
  8. Same lech
    Same lech 24 November 2015 07: 09 New
    16
    But to save Ukraine from idiots somehow got sick. Never considered suicides heroes. Cowards who run away from the problems he often created. Ukrainians are probably good people. Probably smart and kind. Only I saw the last of these in films in films of the 50s.


    I agree with the author .... after the execution of DONBASS and the killing of thousands of Russian people and Ukrainians loyal to us there ... I somehow lost faith that this is a brotherly people ... endure and maintain the lawlessness of the Kiev regime and hoot because of the death of Russians during the blown up plane in EGYPT ... it’s not fraternal .... our neighbors rallied.
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        1. Barboskin
          Barboskin 24 November 2015 10: 12 New
          +3
          I support, you can’t slide down to the level of fascists! Itself is sometimes guilty of a sharp word, but the measure should be!
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  9. Wolka
    Wolka 24 November 2015 07: 10 New
    +2
    absolutely agree with the author ... hi
  10. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 24 November 2015 07: 12 New
    +8
    Well, familiar energy engineers said something similar. And familiar nuclear scientists said that it is impossible to keep reactors at reduced load for a long time. The reaction is somehow going wrong, some kind of “Iodine Pit” was hinted at, and then TVELs will have to be changed. Now I’ll climb Google in the bosom, he can tell me what.
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 24 November 2015 07: 37 New
      +6
      The reaction is somehow wrong, some kind of “Iodine pit” was hinted at,

      I also remember something like that. It seems that with a semi-damped reactor, fuel poisoning with left isotopes begins. They begin to absorb neutrons as a result of which the reaction becomes unstable, or even completely suppressed. Naturally, to start the reaction again, almost ALL fuel has to be changed. Which in the usual case (as it burns out) is not done.
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  12. mamont5
    mamont5 24 November 2015 07: 14 New
    +1
    Quote: Barboskin
    That’s the trick, the fact that they are getting smarter can be no doubt

    Oh, not soon IT will be. For the time being, dill, no matter what happens, Russia is to blame.
  13. nadezhiva
    nadezhiva 24 November 2015 07: 18 New
    +7
    Worn-out nuclear power units may simply not withstand extremes.
    And what can end the extreme mode for nuclear power plants, we already remember for a long time. And, by the way, on the example of the Ukrainian events.
    So, I only for ...

    But I’m not at all “FOR”. The analyst has already slipped on the network both in the geography of the location of the nuclear power plant, and in the wind rose, and about where this radioactive shit will be carried .....
    To date, two Ukrainian nuclear power plants are forced to reduce the load on almost critical values.

    On the map it’s clear what kind of nuclear power plant it is. Zaporizhzhya and South-Ukrainian ..... I apologize for the ancient Khokhlo map.
    More clarifications needed?
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    3. Petrix
      Petrix 24 November 2015 09: 46 New
      0
      Quote: nadezhiva
      More clarifications needed?

      And why does a nuclear power plant stop threaten with accidents? This is not an overload.
  14. parusnik
    parusnik 24 November 2015 07: 21 New
    +3
    And what, tell me, then will you do, independent? Energomaydan stir up? Oh well...... As they say, we Tatars do not care .. What strong cement, in the brain, does not wash off at all ...
  15. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 24 November 2015 07: 27 New
    +5
    to the complete destruction of this very energy system.

    And to hell with it with the Ukrainian energy system. They already got everyone to the handle. It is time to stop hoping for a mind that is completely lost and cannot be restored.
  16. crazy_fencer
    crazy_fencer 24 November 2015 07: 42 New
    +6
    Everyone writes with such ease about the ecological disaster ... Chernobyl alone was enough for both the European part of Russia and Belarus, and Europe got it. And in Ukraine there are 4 more such Chernobyls left. Does anyone remember that after the Chernobyl disaster the radioactive contamination of the area was more abrupt than after Hiroshima and Nagasaki combined?
  17. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 24 November 2015 07: 47 New
    17
    All found Orthodox. Do not be alarmed, it is impossible to get a second Chernobyl in WWR type reactors. Maximum - will be Fukushima. This is a complete "kirdyk" station, but there will be no massive release of radioactivity. A few words about the operation of the reactor with reduced load and the "Iodine pit."
    This term means that the reactor enters the zone of "negative reactivity", in which the reactor can not be "accelerated" to its rated power for several tens of hours. Until xenon “obtained” as a result of the decay of radioactive iodine “burns out”. Xenon has a large neutron capture cross section, which is why it “quenches” the reaction by capturing “not its” neutrons. And during acceleration, the reactor behaves "non-linearly" and this must be done very carefully. But VVR is not RBMK, and it will not work to blow it up, but it can be "spoiled".
    1. Zumich
      Zumich 24 November 2015 08: 00 New
      +9
      Incomprehensible, but very smart and confident.
    2. APASUS
      APASUS 24 November 2015 08: 07 New
      +1
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      But VVR is not RBMK, and it will not work to blow it up, but it’s possible to “spoil”

      it’s purely from the technical side it cannot be blown up, but from the philosophical one you can. Did your brother kill his brother on the Maidan, shoot him in Mariupol and burn in Odessa, why can’t you kill your energy system in spite of the enemy?
      I think this is the only way to break ties. New ties will already be built only with Europe or without Europe, but not with Russia!
    3. nadezhiva
      nadezhiva 24 November 2015 08: 48 New
      +2
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      All found Orthodox. Do not be alarmed ... Maximum - will be Fukushima.

      Get lost - not scary! Just Fukushima crying
      Pleased, you can’t say anything. The phrase was especially touched:
      during acceleration, the reactor behaves "non-linearly" and this must be done very carefully.

      Here, the keyword "neatly" is for whom? Really, for hohlov?
      The most disgusting thing is that the “iodine hole” is half the trouble. And here is the presence of aggressive debi.lov, with power touching them ... this is kirdyk.
      1. Petrix
        Petrix 24 November 2015 09: 53 New
        0
        Quote: nadezhiva
        And here is the presence of aggressive debi.lov, with power touching them ... this is kirdyk.

        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        But VVR is not RBMK, and it will not work to blow it up, but it can be "spoiled".

        There is still such an invention, called the "dirty bomb." He put it in VVR and exploded like RBMK. And what expert will prove later that this is not an accident but a terrorist attack? It may prove, but who will listen to them?
        1. Mountain shooter
          Mountain shooter 24 November 2015 10: 45 New
          +4
          What are you going to put into it? This garbage under pressure is almost 200 atm, and is filled with water at a temperature of 250 C (I can confuse, but those orders). And the wall is with him - any tank will envy. Plus, fuel is in the fuel rods, fuel rods in the cassettes, cassettes are deep inside. Here you even know how to “do it right” - you won’t. Therefore, it is possible to break a toy - to make it inoperative. And turning it into a "dirty bomb" is very difficult.
          Well, only if you drive the train of explosives directly into the building of the power unit.
          1. Petrix
            Petrix 24 November 2015 12: 32 New
            0
            Quote: Mountain Shooter
            What are you going to put into it?

            Yes, not in it, but somewhere nearby. So that it would be possible to dump heavy pollution into an accident at a nuclear power plant. The people will not understand. A nuclear power plant means radiation.
            If Kiev is given the task of advancing in the Donbass, they will set the task and arrange an accident. States is an extra trump card in the fight against Russia. Although they will blow up all of Ukraine, they will not cry in America. And the fact that they annoyed Russia in the form of radiation and a headache makes them happy.
    4. atalef
      atalef 24 November 2015 09: 11 New
      0
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      All found Orthodox. Do not be alarmed, it is impossible to get a second Chernobyl in WWR type reactors. Maximum - will be Fukushima. This is a complete "kirdyk" station, but there will be no massive release of radioactivity. A few words about the operation of the reactor with reduced load and the "Iodine pit."
      This term means that the reactor enters the zone of "negative reactivity", in which the reactor can not be "accelerated" to its rated power for several tens of hours. Until xenon “obtained” as a result of the decay of radioactive iodine “burns out”. Xenon has a large neutron capture cross section, which is why it “quenches” the reaction by capturing “not its” neutrons. And during acceleration, the reactor behaves "non-linearly" and this must be done very carefully. But VVR is not RBMK, and it will not work to blow it up, but it can be "spoiled".

      Everything is very correct (+)
    5. gas113
      gas113 24 November 2015 13: 56 New
      0
      So I also wanted to write about the extreme complexity of the low-power reactor. It is one thing to start a reactor with fresh fuel and quite another with fuel poisoned by fission products
  18. aszzz888
    aszzz888 24 November 2015 07: 53 New
    +5
    Kill the unified energy system of Ukraine by turning off the Crimea!


    You can’t say more precisely!
    It remains only to add, with such enthusiasm and Svidomo enthusiasm - a matter of time. And besides, not so long time! fellow
  19. scoop
    scoop 24 November 2015 08: 02 New
    -14
    yes yes yes, last winter Ukraine froze to death and starved to death, they had already heard the prophecies zelo many times. I would argue that cognac is on the box that the first with its Ministry of Emergency Situations will run ukraine to save and save, otherwise God forbid the right sector will have to sleep in clothes. pah, bl.
  20. Gardamir
    Gardamir 24 November 2015 08: 05 New
    -4
    What I will say now may come as a surprise to many readers.

    Lord Russians, learn the materiel

    Gas is produced in Crimea. Moreover, gas is enough for the Crimea, and still remains for sale. If the combined heat and power plants for processing gas into electricity were built, then there would be no blackout. Why weren't the CHPPs built during these year and a half?
    1. satris
      satris 24 November 2015 08: 15 New
      +6
      You can’t build a CHPP in a year and a half. So, a gas generator can be started up. A full-fledged CHP ...
      1. Cap.Morgan
        Cap.Morgan 24 November 2015 09: 39 New
        0
        Build it.
        Now, in general, everything is being built instantly, there would be money.
        Well and responsibility, of course.
        1. avt
          avt 24 November 2015 09: 58 New
          +8
          Quote: satris
          You can’t build a CHPP in a year and a half.

          Quote: Cap.Morgan
          Build it.
          Now, in general, everything is being built instantly, there would be money.

          laughing How is it - instantly? In grams Celsius, or in liters GMT? fool In life, have you had to deal with the production of anything large from scratch from a piece of whatman with a pencil in your hand to a piece in metal? Judging by the replica - no.
        2. Docent1984
          Docent1984 25 November 2015 12: 58 New
          +3
          Well do not whistle. Normally, building from scratch is impossible in a year and a half. Only for a normal project and examination you need a minimum of 4 months, before this quality research is done from 2 to 4 months, after which you can only begin to build. And do not say that everything is for sale is bought - not those times. Especially if we talk about serious objects. In addition, thermal power plants are not being built in a bare field, it is imperative that anchor production be necessary to balance capacities. And much more. In this regard, it is more expedient to build networks from the Krasnodar Territory, which is now being done. At a shocking pace.
      2. Gardamir
        Gardamir 24 November 2015 10: 07 New
        -2
        You can’t build a CHPP in a year and a half.
        Most likely you are right. but is anything being done towards construction?
        And secondly, I watch with horror. as my favorite site turns into a Russian analogue of the censor. Article by article where we are called to hate the whole world. If the Great Vladimir partners with Poroshenko, then why should the residents of Krajina be to blame? How did Russia respond to the blackout? No way! That is, the Kremlin is happy with everything. Partner to partner will not go into your pocket.
        1. Docent1984
          Docent1984 25 November 2015 13: 02 New
          +2
          Is being done. During the year, money in construction was invested more times in 10 than in previous 25 years. Just returned from a business trip to Sevastopol, just for this part. With my own eyes I saw the scale of funding and ongoing work. By the way, which is typical, at all the institutions where I worked, and there were 5, there were planted leaders from different regions who have experience in similar activities. Unfortunately, for the time being local specialists do not understand that there are laws, and, most importantly, that they work periodically. "dill thinking" does not quickly erode - this is a quote from one of the locals, a wonderful person and specialist.
    2. MSL
      MSL 24 November 2015 22: 05 New
      +1
      For 1.5 years, a CHPP can only be drawn (sketch). The choice of location, engineer geologist of research ..... Designing .... It is good if the work has already been started, and not as usual - all hope for the mainland.
  21. Vladimir wqas
    Vladimir wqas 24 November 2015 08: 30 New
    15
    As a Crimean, there are some inconveniences from a blackout in Ukraine. In smaller cities, in villages more. But this is incomparably better than the intentions of the putschists towards the Russian-speaking population of Crimea.
    With all my heart I wish the putschists a very cold winter, the cessation of supplies of thermal coal and the zeroing of the flow of electricity to the country that defeated Nazism. I hope that the anti-people regime in Ukraine will crumble to dust.
  22. timyr
    timyr 24 November 2015 09: 00 New
    0
    In response to provocations by terrorists from a fraternal country, the Russian leadership can well strengthen and deepen support for Ukraine, and personally President Poroshenko. In such a difficult international situation, in no case should Russia be drawn into the conflict between Crimea and Ukraine. Adapted from the comments of Lzh Verkhovyna, on an article on turning off the Crimea
  23. iliya87
    iliya87 24 November 2015 09: 09 New
    +5
    I have friends in Ukraine, and it’s not strange, rather, contrary to the general opinion, 60-65% understand everything perfectly and clearly understand what kind of ass is already in the country and there will still be roofing felts. The puppet power there will sit until the new planned Maidan and whether they’ll lie even after it that something will change positively. People have already been intimidated by everyone, they themselves are striving to get rid of the legacy of the USSR, while for posts on the Internet you can ring out to the Security Service of Ukraine, I am already silent about some public statements. Plus, some people have already moved to Russia from those who could and cooked their heads. It’s a pity for people, but patriots are there, among other things, like ours, who can pour as much into their ears (sorry) and everything will leak and soak to the heels.
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  25. 73cvb73
    73cvb73 24 November 2015 09: 37 New
    +2
    Redirecting energy is possible by building new networks.
    But for what money?
    1. Cap.Morgan
      Cap.Morgan 24 November 2015 09: 44 New
      0
      The most interesting thing in Ukraine is nobody bothers.
      And manpower is also the material base - wires can be produced in sufficient quantities ...
      What for? Easier to raise rates.
      Power is engaged in intrigue.
    2. visitork67
      visitork67 24 November 2015 21: 42 New
      0
      Revenues from exports to EU countries. This year they began to sell more nuts, straw and cotton products there. Everything else is in the red, well, yes.
  26. ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 24 November 2015 09: 46 New
    +2
    Country 404. Kill a single power system Ukraine turning off the Crimea!

    Well, “ONE-CHILD” ..., they didn’t graduate from institutes, perhaps at the physics school - “2” ...
    ... a kind of "cultural revolution", fool and again, so - "Sala to Ukraine !!!" laughing
  27. Victor-M
    Victor-M 24 November 2015 09: 56 New
    +1
    And what, tell me, then will you do, independent? Energomaydan stir up?

    No, they will accuse Russia of energy blackmail. laughing
  28. Energetik81
    Energetik81 24 November 2015 10: 02 New
    0
    The people, like an energy engineer, will say that you can’t read the article. Nonsense from beginning to end. For the Ukrainian energy system, reducing the load by 850 MW does not threaten anything, this is about 2% of its total consumption. The load fluctuations between the night minimum and the daily maximum are much larger than these 850 MW. About the safety of operation of nuclear power plants in general laughter. It’s a shame for the authors, why make such stuffing?
  29. Zomanus
    Zomanus 24 November 2015 10: 12 New
    -4
    A strong move would be to enter the Black Sea
    nuclear icebreaker and powering the Crimea from its reactors.
    Or surfacing a strategist and feeding from him.
    Well, one only has to really hope
    that Ukrainian specialists at the nuclear power plant are smart enough
    not bring the matter to Chernobyl.
    Because it’s better to live with a splinter, but live.
    1. atalef
      atalef 24 November 2015 10: 27 New
      +1
      Quote: Zomanus
      A strong move would be the entry into the Black Sea of ​​an atomic icebreaker and feeding Crimea from its reactors

      belay laughing
      Quote: Zomanus
      Or surfacing a strategist and feeding from him.

      fellow belay laughing
      Sorry of course, but you are not the author of the article?
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  30. Prutkov
    Prutkov 24 November 2015 10: 36 New
    +3
    Forgot another aspect - the reliability of the transit. If the “mice” that “gnawed through” the poles of the power transmission lines “gnawed through” the gas pipeline, and in 2014 they promised to do this, then Europe will not be laughing. And at the same time, the words are confirmed that the Ukrainian government does not control its own territory.
    1. atalef
      atalef 24 November 2015 10: 39 New
      0
      Quote: Rods
      Forgot another aspect - the reliability of the transit. If the “mice” that “gnawed through” the poles of the power transmission lines “gnawed through” the gas pipeline, and in 2014 they promised to do this, then Europe will not be laughing. And at the same time, the words are confirmed that the Ukrainian government does not control its own territory.

      Actually, I think that the demolition of the stands and their repair (since the restoration of such lines does not take much time) is agreed with the SBU and with the knowledge of the authorities
      1. Oprychnik
        Oprychnik 24 November 2015 11: 11 New
        +2
        I agree. The recent refusal to purchase electricity in Russia (everything, hands untied) - almost followed by the undermining of supports - a demonstrative sabotage of repair work - the prohibition of freight and rail transportation. Ukraine launched the promised attack on the Crimea.
    2. APASUS
      APASUS 24 November 2015 18: 06 New
      0
      Quote: Rods
      Forgot another aspect - the reliability of the transit. If the “mice” that “gnawed through” the poles of the power transmission lines “gnawed through” the gas pipeline, and in 2014 they promised to do this, then Europe will not be laughing. And at the same time, the words are confirmed that the Ukrainian government does not control its own territory.

      Europe will not only allow it, but will ask to build South Stream in this case. Support is support, and money can be counted better than Ukrainians there
  31. eucledes
    eucledes 24 November 2015 10: 41 New
    -1
    The authors of this opus are somehow unaware that the load on the power system is not weak changing both during the year (winter-summer) and during the day (night-day).
    And that work with a changing load is the normal mode of operation of the power system.
    In general, this article is complete nonsense, the victory of political enthusiasm over reason.

    PS And touches the phrase in the article -
    talked to an ordinary power engineer and realized
    .
    Yeah, the author looked in the mirror and talked.
    1. your1970
      your1970 29 November 2015 17: 45 New
      0
      all technical issues were discussed above by two specialists on this issue,
  32. Andrey VOV
    Andrey VOV 24 November 2015 10: 42 New
    0
    Often flashed on the Internet about projects to create the so-called floating nuclear power plants .... I'm not an expert, but is it real or is it true, the fantasies of various citizens?
    1. spravochnik
      spravochnik 24 November 2015 12: 00 New
      +1
      Not a fantasy. The first in St. Petersburg is being completed.
      1. visitork67
        visitork67 24 November 2015 21: 33 New
        0
        Only not for the Crimea, but for Pevek. Although, perhaps, they will replay (for a while, not forever).
  33. eucledes
    eucledes 24 November 2015 10: 53 New
    0
    Quote: Gardamir
    You can’t build a thermal power plant in a year and a half

    That is true, but there is also the idiocy of the Crimean authorities.
    Illustration - Kerch, Kamysh-Burunskaya CHPP.
    The installed capacity is 30 MW, but now only one 6 MW turbine is operating. The remaining two are 12 MW overhaul.
    In the summer they could not be repaired, since it was necessary to provide a potentially important tourist season - and in general, once a year and a half Ukraine supplied energy without problems, then the authorities didn’t see anything wrong with the output of capacities - like, where will the Ukrainians go?
    1. spravochnik
      spravochnik 24 November 2015 12: 06 New
      +4
      What does “politically important travel season” mean? For such regions, it is simply very important. At this time, a significant part of the budget is earned. In Jurmala, in the tourism season, the tourism and service industries earn at least 80% money
      1. eucledes
        eucledes 24 November 2015 12: 33 New
        -4
        About 25% of Crimeans live in a tourist strip from Evpatoria to Feodosia.
        So the tourist season affects only the South Coast, but not the life of Crimea.
  34. istoler
    istoler 24 November 2015 11: 37 New
    +5
    I’m passing the article, because I didn’t read the main thing in it, what is written in the headline, what is the murder of the Ukrainian energy system. Where, a technical analysis of the devastating effects of a blackout? But it really should be logically, but the author went astray on a typical agitation like "we are good, they are bad."
  35. Belousov
    Belousov 24 November 2015 12: 47 New
    +2
    Some kind of ill-conceived article. Unfortunately there are more idiots than real facts. I would like more specifics.
  36. provincial
    provincial 24 November 2015 12: 50 New
    +1
    Ukraine has been dying for two years and still will not die.
  37. Dimon-chik-79
    Dimon-chik-79 24 November 2015 13: 01 New
    +1
    I do not want to repeat what many write today. The blockade of the Crimea ... La-la-la ... The electricity was cut off ... La-la-la

    Not an article, but a solid La La La La La ... Blah Blah Blah
    So, I only want Crimea to be disconnected from Ukrainian networks as long as possible

    It is unlikely that this article was written under the crack of a generator. And all the "charm" of such an event in the city, the author, unfortunately, cannot be felt in his own skin. But in my opinion there’s absolutely nothing good about it! This is a real disaster for the population of the peninsula. And it’s very good that we were lucky with the weather and that the EMERCOM of Russia is now taking energetic measures to support people. One could rejoice at what happened if the cables were thrown across the strait or their own generation was established. And it doesn’t even occur to me to worry about the Ukrainian energy system, however, apparently, as well as the Ukrainian leadership. Eurocain will not have any global consequences, disasters except loss of profit. And let's hope that work on connecting to the Russian network will go in this situation in an emergency mode!
  38. Ramzai
    Ramzai 24 November 2015 13: 47 New
    +2
    Quote: plotnikov561956
    "" ... really everything is looped and provided for by the standards of the USSR.

    The concept of "looping" in this case is simply an exaggeration of the question .. the ukrov energy system consists of several local power systems ..5 maybe a little more. The flow possibilities are also limited ... it is likely that areas receiving energy from Russia will be faced with the issue of disconnecting energy-intensive facilities .Energy is not sand you won’t take away. Ukraine once again stepped on a rake ... as the power engineer is sure, the working staff of the ukrov system is now running all over the soap

    A colleague absolutely agrees with you! Also laughed at the "loop". Of course, no one heard about the limit of the transmitted power of the line and the overload of equipment)))), which is not surprisingly not the subject of the site.
  39. eucledes
    eucledes 24 November 2015 13: 48 New
    -6
    Quote: Rods
    If the "mice" that "gnawed through" the poles of the power lines "gnawed through" the gas pipeline

    Anything can be. If the Kerch fishermen, by their habit, pulling a bull in the Azov neck of the strait by the bottom drags, hook on the cable of the energy bridge freshly laid by the Chinese ...
    1. atalef
      atalef 24 November 2015 13: 53 New
      +1
      Quote: eucledes
      Quote: Rods
      If the "mice" that "gnawed through" the poles of the power lines "gnawed through" the gas pipeline

      Anything can be. If the Kerch fishermen, by their habit, pulling a bull in the Azov neck of the strait by the bottom drags, hook on the cable of the energy bridge freshly laid by the Chinese ...

      The cable is laid on the prepared bed 9 in a trench - underwater. to a depth of 2 meters 0 The question is, how will they guard it, in theory to lay a charge and undermine, the same problem does not amount to
      1. your1970
        your1970 29 November 2015 17: 50 New
        0
        no one has canceled anti-sabotage practices for the protection of naval naval forces, the Black Sea Fleet has experience ...
    2. atalef
      atalef 24 November 2015 13: 53 New
      0
      Quote: eucledes
      Quote: Rods
      If the "mice" that "gnawed through" the poles of the power lines "gnawed through" the gas pipeline

      Anything can be. If the Kerch fishermen, by their habit, pulling a bull in the Azov neck of the strait by the bottom drags, hook on the cable of the energy bridge freshly laid by the Chinese ...

      The cable is laid on the prepared bed 9 in a trench - underwater. to a depth of 2 meters 0 The question is, how will they guard it, in theory to lay a charge and undermine, the same problem does not amount to
      1. IAlex
        IAlex 24 November 2015 19: 11 New
        0
        You will receive a response to your comment in the near future, based on the results of actions related to the response to the downed Su-24. What answer will be no one knows ...
  40. 1536
    1536 24 November 2015 16: 55 New
    0
    If Crimea hadn’t become part of Russia in such a miraculous way, today we would not talk about turning off the cities of the peninsula and people sitting without light, but about mass executions, killings and genocide of the Russian people in Crimea from the brutal Kiev junta with the complete connivance of the United States and NATO countries, and maybe even their help in this!
    1. domokl
      domokl 24 November 2015 17: 53 New
      -2
      Explain to me what you tried to say in the comment? How is this related to the article? I will not put either a plus or a minus ... Just because we break the comments from the Urya series ...
  41. v.yegorov
    v.yegorov 24 November 2015 18: 06 New
    0
    "When God wants to punish someone, he destroys his mind." These seem to be deprived
    mind of nature.
  42. IAlex
    IAlex 24 November 2015 19: 08 New
    0
    It was lucky that the Chinese did not drift and put cables with specialists, otherwise it would have been as full of F ... in this matter ... as with modernization and skolkovo ...
  43. nnz226
    nnz226 24 November 2015 23: 19 New
    0
    If we compare socialism (totalitarianism) with current democracy - then the first has advantages! In April 1942, under German bombardments and shelling in blockaded Leningrad, for ONE MONTH (!!!) a cable was stretched to supply electricity to the city along the bottom of Lake Ladoga (the distance is greater than through the Kerch Strait). And here, knowing the possibility of such a “blackout” for the Crimea, they drove the Mumu year, and still haven’t done it. Both equipment and materials will be better than in the 1942 year. But the point of the market-democratic system is zero point ten.
    1. your1970
      your1970 29 November 2015 18: 00 New
      0
      1) in besieged Leningrad, the question of window-dressing with ice cream for tourists wasn’t right?
      2) ANYTHING !!! I was not interested in the question HOW MUCH that cable will last - how much Leningrad will stand was much more important
      3) consumers were slightly different - even in Leningrad, part of the outskirts was not electrified at all in 1942
      4) Ladoga is not a sea like bee, is it? Fresh water? impact on the shell is much milder
      5) How long did that cable stand? A year or two? It’s kind of expensive for us to change so often
      6) Someone dies in Crimea without light (as in Leningrad from your example)? Yes, they are a little uncomfortable, it's true, but it's not fatal ..
      7) The main thing is if now if there was a war, then no one would have bothered with such a question, the issue of access to the USSR’s border would have been resolved. And the country 404, as well as the Russian Federation, would not have been up to the Crimea ...
      Therefore, they do as expected (and rightly so !!) according to the laws of peacetime ..
  44. T-130
    T-130 24 November 2015 23: 57 New
    0
    about the demise of the power system, I think the author is right! not because something will happen there with the nuclear power plant from lowering the load! And due to the fact that there is no money to build new lines, while operating the station while consuming only 5-10% of the generated energy is more expensive! as a result, the station is mothballed and stolen everything that can be done in color!
  45. sanyavolhv
    sanyavolhv 25 November 2015 01: 09 New
    0
    health
    and you can direct excess energy to ionize the atmosphere. create a dozen electric arcs, and a type of lightning will work. (JOKE)
  46. Fastenkov
    Fastenkov 25 November 2015 02: 59 New
    0
    With the pace of work and schematoses in our energy sector, the announced cable laying dates look implausible. And where is the time for drank? God forbid, of course, but we’ll bring the promised date for control into the calendar ...
  47. Konstantin Yu
    Konstantin Yu 25 November 2015 12: 11 New
    0
    A good article .. But the question remains: What the hell .. for a year are they dragging with the energy supply of Crimea? In the Second World War in Leningrad, a cable was laid over the bottom of Lake Ladoga for a month .. and this was under shelling, bombing, and that equipment. What supplies from Dill weakened our ministers? And why Aksenov turned a blind eye to this ... hoped that in Russia there were only shustriks and wiseacres working? And this is probably not the last setup from our sleepy fairy-tale ministers ..
  48. Mentat
    Mentat 25 November 2015 13: 49 New
    +1
    Quote: atalef
    Quote: sanya.vorodis
    Dear atalef, and what kind of power unit is this - “tmW”? Thousand milliwatts? And mW - milliWatts?
    Maybe Mega?

    Oh oh You want to catch me on these little things. so to speak showing his erudition?
    naturally, the conversation is about t (thousand) mW (megawatts)
    - and this is understandable. not flashlights laughing - Does the article have anything to say?

    The specialist will never write MB in the sense of megabytes or ag in the sense of Angstrom. The fact that you do not know how to write elementary units in that area in which you represent yourself as a specialist undermines the credibility of you as a specialist.
  49. Evil 55
    Evil 55 25 November 2015 16: 09 New
    0
    Mediocrity and ignoramus do great things ..
  50. orphan 63
    orphan 63 25 November 2015 20: 19 New
    0
    Repair has already begun



    lol Well, a bit of humor