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Church of Scientology Moscow. Finita for comedy?

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In the 21 year of its turbulent activity in the territory of the capital of Russia, the so-called Scientology Church of Moscow (SPM) should curtail its work based on the decision of the Moscow City Court. The relevant lawsuit was filed by the Ministry of Justice about a year ago, and all this time there was a rather heated discussion about whether or not to remove the Church of Scientology of Moscow from a single register of legal entities. The Moscow City Court decided that it was necessary to withdraw, and ordered the defendant to set up a liquidation commission within the next six months and complete all the required liquidation measures.


It should be noted that SC had problems with Russian legislation before. Back in 90, Scientologists were denied re-registration of their church. After that, the lower house of the Russian parliament passed a special decree, in which the Church of Scientology was recognized as a destructive religious organization.

In 2010, in Khanty-Mansiysk, the court found some literature extremist, the author of which is Ron Hubbard - the man who is the creator of the Scientology school based on the so-called "mental health practices." In 2012, the Moscow Regional Court did the same, banning the distribution of a number of books by Ron Hubbard in Russia.

Church of Scientology Moscow. Finita for comedy?

Photo of the opening of the Church of Scientology Moscow


All these years, Russian Scientologists have not abandoned their attempts to re-register their “church”. The last attempt in the summer of 2015 was rejected by the Izmailovsky Court of Moscow, which, relying on expert data, issued a ruling that SC could not be considered a religious organization at all.

The basis of Scientology, according to the same Hubbard, is “a movement along the steps of development,” which ultimately should lead to “complete freedom”. As it turns out, Scientology does not initially provide for the attainment of this complete freedom by a person who does not have a sum with five zeros in dollars in his pocket or in a bank account. So, the course of achieving “complete freedom” for American representatives of the organization costs about 350 thousand dollars, - which is what in its book “Sectology. Totalitarian Sects ”writes Alexander Dvorkin. It turns out that low-income people are not those who may be interested in the Scientology system, which clearly resembles a business project, and the word “church” here seems to be one of the attempts to disguise profitable business statements on the organization’s religiousness. The goal of the Scientology school is to put a person on the doctrine so that eventually his business (his means) becomes the business of the “church”. A kind of financial pyramid scheme.

The lawsuit filed by the Russian Justice Ministry states that the statute of the Moscow Church of Scientology does not comply with the principles of freedom of religion, and the word Scientology itself has nothing to do with religion and has long been registered as a trademark of the so-called US Religious Technology Center. Indeed, it is difficult to talk about free religion, if you need to have a very substantial amount and certainly share it with the "church" ... Of course, there are those in recognized churches for whom religion is reduced solely to donations to the needs of the church itself, but in Scientology This principle was raised to a special degree.

The Center itself, by the way, exists due to the fact that it receives funds from the exploitation of everything related to Scientology and the distribution of Hubbard literature (1911-1986). In fact, any mention of the term “Scientology” is announced by the Center for Religious Technology by borrowing, and therefore the persons who use it must make certain contributions to the center.

The Church of Scientology of Moscow stated that they would appeal the decision of the Moscow City Court, adding that the decision allegedly did not comply with Russian legislation, since the symbols of the SC and literature “were not recognized as extremist in Russia”. Apparently, the representatives of the SC somewhat forget about the decisions of the court of the Khanty-Mansiysk Autonomous Okrug (2010) and Moscow Region Court (2012), which, in fact, became a precedent.

Something about Scientology, which adepts call religious organization.

One of the main contradictions that one striving to achieve is “complete freedom,” that according to Hubbard, Scientology is a trend in “religion” that cures any diseases, but not all are cured ... According to Hubbard, Scientology " helping to cure cancer, ”and that modern medicine is simply not needed by a Scientologist. This statement, made by Hubbard in the 70s, attracted thousands of new adepts around the world to Scientologists. Diseases of sect members were explained by the fact that they are not actively investing in the “religion” and pay little attention to it. What is called, the cognitive dissonance of the adepts came at a time when it turned out that Hubbard himself was ill with cancer, and for some reason, Scientology did not help Hubbard escape the disease.

The most extensive clause of the Scientologists' charter, for example, Europe is the item "Capital", which, as it were, already says a lot ... And although the first place is that the association does not aim at making a profit from its activities, reality, everything looks exactly the opposite.

From the charter:
P. 3.11. Assistance to “closely related persons” includes:

Sale, exchange or long term rental property.
Loan funds or loans.
The sale of goods, services or agreements regarding the use of equipment under conditions more favorable than the corresponding conditions provided to independent third parties. If personal work is paid, then, among other things, the requirement is that the work produced is justified and necessary for the activities of the association.


From the section of the charter "Members":
P.4.3 Member must pay a membership fee at the time of admission to the membership according to the rules established for this board of directors (the “church” also has a board of directors! - author's note). Further payment of the membership fee is a condition for ongoing membership.


P.4.4. Rules regarding the amount and payment of membership fees are established by the board of directors.

P.4.6. A member may terminate his membership at any time. but without having to get their contributions back. The resignation letter must be written and signed by the outgoing member.

Some time ago, in Russia, the view was expressed that Scientology was seen by so-called “post-totalitarian” countries as “especially interesting countries”. Allegedly, in such countries, to which Scientologists ranked Russia as well, with the help of Scientology approaches one can “build a new society”. The new society seems to be the one that allows the authors themselves to pull out all the resources, which, in principle, happened in the so-called post-perestroika era, when various sects and “interested investors” literally attacked Russia in order to snatch a piece bigger and more pleasing.

According to some reports, members of the Church of Scientology are individual representatives of the current Ukrainian authorities. Although the SC itself refutes these statements, but the principles on which the Ukrainian Cabinet, for example, works, in many ways resemble the SC’s ideas about building a “new society” by sucking out of the country all that at least some value.
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  1. Same lech
    Same lech 24 November 2015 06: 38 New
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    The main sign of all sects is the desire to free its adherents from property (apartments, cars, money and even their own children) in favor of hehe guru ... the same MMM only in a more perverse form.
    A person is fooled to the state of a machine that ceases to think something.
    A lot of human tragedies happened on this basis ... but still there are believers who are crooks from totalitarian sects .... it is necessary to close these sharashkin offices mercilessly ... and send the guru to the northern regions to enjoy the northern lights ... so you will feel their proximity to GOD.
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 24 November 2015 06: 56 New
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      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      The main feature of all sects is the desire to free its adherents from property (apartments, cars, money, and even their own children) in favor of hehe guru ...

      This is, so to speak, at best. And so, some of these global sects are under the dense cap of certain special services.
    2. sherp2015
      sherp2015 24 November 2015 08: 16 New
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      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      .to close these sharashkin offices mercilessly ... and send the guru in stages to the northern regions to enjoy the northern lights ... so they will quickly feel their proximity to GOD.


      It took 21 years for the authorities to understand that all these Hubbardists, Scientologists, are a terrible evil for our people? what did the special services do?
      1. venaya
        venaya 24 November 2015 09: 55 New
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        Quote: sherp2015
        Are all these Hubbardists Scientologists a terrible evil for our people? what did the special services do?

        Have you tried to talk with representatives of these countless sects? It will not take a long time to make sure that they all represent the interests of the special. services, only for some reason foreign. To deal with all of them, so no money is enough for the maintenance of our domestic specialists. To save more state. means, it is better to close all these suspicious sharagi.
        1. Down House
          Down House 24 November 2015 10: 10 New
          +5
          Quote: venaya
          Have you tried to talk with representatives of these countless sects? It will not take a long time to make sure that they all represent the interests of the special. of services

          Well, it depends on what kind of "representatives" of the sects.
          If ordinary, then they are of interest to special medical services.
          1. Shveps
            Shveps 24 November 2015 12: 22 New
            +6
            Quote: Down House
            Well, it depends on what kind of "representatives" of the sects.


            In Russia, they bred more than a hundred. The answer is in the picture.
            1. bionik
              bionik 24 November 2015 14: 18 New
              +1
              As I walked past the stadium, I watched their coven, judging by the clothes and the appearance of people in general, the poor.
      2. a housewife
        a housewife 24 November 2015 15: 44 New
        +1
        And try to find a list of our figures who were members of this organization - be amazed! No special services could not only touch or mention them! Many are still at the helm and with money. Someone gives their money, but someone gets it! Finally they covered up the holy man. Even now they would have closed forever the "witnesses", the Satanists, hiding behind the holy name and dishonoring him. angry
        1. vgorlekost
          vgorlekost 24 November 2015 16: 45 New
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          Quote: housewife
          ... Even now they would have closed forever the "witnesses", Satanists, who covered themselves with the holy name and dishonor it

          Satanists? And I know several worthy people. Could you elaborate on their Satanism, please, take a closer look at them, in the light of your warning.
          And about the Holy Name of Jehovah, try to tell here, fly away in the minus quickly. )))
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  2. Hubun
    Hubun 24 November 2015 06: 41 New
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    Even in Ulan-Ude, this infection has appeared. Several of the largest companies in the republic got hooked on this crap, they pay a lot of money for courses. It would seem that wise people have a serious business, and here. All sects should be pressed to the nail in general.
    1. Good cat
      Good cat 24 November 2015 07: 07 New
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      At one time, some employers drove their employees by force for these courses, their cost was very decent. Now let this riffraff clean up in his striped country!
      1. avt
        avt 24 November 2015 09: 45 New
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        Quote: Good cat
        Now let this riffraff clean up in his striped country!

        what You are them at the door, they are at the window. They took root quite deeply, as did Jehovah's Witnesses. Then you won’t uproot them with ONE court decision.
        Quote: sherp2015
        what did the special services do?

        The first time they were particularly shocked when the Satanists began to gather through the followers an archive of those holding power, which was actually a search during the time of Luzhkov, then they were held for the first time in the court and banned in Moscow, and found.
  3. Putinets
    Putinets 24 November 2015 06: 44 New
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    As far as I know, the former Minister of Education of the Russian Federation is also a Scientologist. And the honor of the liberals in the higher echelons, too. Therefore, they did not close for so long. What then can we say about education. By the way, in pin @ dosia, Scientologists are banned and harassed. There they are not particularly bulging
    1. Ayujak
      Ayujak 24 November 2015 07: 22 New
      +9
      I disagree with that. For example, one of the prominent members of the SC is Tom Cruise. For the Yankees, this is a multimillion dollar business. In addition to the SC there they have a breakthrough of others, who also pump out "membership fees" from the people. For example, recently it was in the news that a certain pastor Creflo Dollar, in the states, asked his parishioners to chip in for a new Gulfstream G650 for $ 60 million.

      And this infection in Russia is a dime a dozen. It will not end in good.
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 24 November 2015 10: 50 New
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        Quote: AYUJAK
        For example, one of the prominent members of the SC is Tom Cruise.

        He is a great lover of studying Kabbalah. Scientology is something other than religion. Closer to the principles of Freemasonry. Ron Hubard created an almost perfect tool for managing people. Those in power are also used by those in power. And they do not tolerate competition, which is basically normal. Power must be in the same hands.
    2. Darkness
      Darkness 24 November 2015 07: 23 New
      +6
      In Hollywood, their main church stands, if memory serves. Many actors, and good actors, are Scientology.
      Well forbidden, yeah.
      1. Down House
        Down House 24 November 2015 09: 40 New
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        Quote: Darkness
        Well forbidden, yeah.

        The founder of the Hubbard sect was "banned" - he spent the last years of his life wandering on a yacht on neutral waters with a fortune of at least $ 650 million.
        But their new "guru" David Mitskevidge feels great in the United States - apparently agreed fellow
        By the way, this happy "master".
        1. _Krechet_
          _Krechet_ 24 November 2015 18: 40 New
          +1
          A doll, not a man.
          The photo shows a glossy and polished doll.
          Are they trying to transform all their followers into such dolls?
          How can you trust the "teaching" with such a face?
          1. Down House
            Down House 25 November 2015 02: 04 New
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            Quote: _Are_
            A doll, not a man.

            And looks like another doll - Tom Cruise.
      2. Belousov
        Belousov 24 November 2015 11: 41 New
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        It is forbidden to preach, and not be a member of the sect.
      3. Belousov
        Belousov 24 November 2015 11: 41 New
        +1
        It is forbidden to preach, and not be a member of the sect.
        1. bornikrub
          bornikrub 24 November 2015 13: 15 New
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          As with pedrills:
          you can peck at each other, but you can’t popularize sodomy.
  4. Baloo
    Baloo 24 November 2015 06: 54 New
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    I support. The activity of the main Scientologist in Ukraine for the canopy of conscious and consistent destruction of the Ukrainian economy is a clear testament to the goals of the half-spy organization of Scientologists on the path to world domination. angry
  5. inkass_98
    inkass_98 24 November 2015 07: 07 New
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    It is high time. This infection has quieted down some time ago, and now it has revived again.
    And it’s high time to ask for the rest of a riffraff like Jehovah’s and Mormon’s homeland.
    1. vgorlekost
      vgorlekost 24 November 2015 08: 27 New
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      Quote: inkass_98
      It is high time. This infection has quieted down some time ago, and now it has revived again. And it’s high time to ask the rest for a shusher like Jehovah’s and Mormons to return to their historical homeland.

      In the course where is the historical homeland of the Orthodox? What forgot to mention them?
      On what basis do you ask to respect the interlocutors - in your profile - insulting yourself belonging to different, but CHRISTIAN denominations?
      And in general, on what basis do you judge religion - if your religion is from an old woman with a hat, and the scriptures from Ouspensky?
      1. inkass_98
        inkass_98 24 November 2015 08: 52 New
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        It is not necessary to switch to personalities, we have not drank and will not go to brotherhood. The "religions" I have indicated are totalitarian and were banned in Soviet times. I know a lot about something, dear father. And such questions are asked in personal mail, if anything, you will receive answers there.
      2. Down House
        Down House 24 November 2015 09: 54 New
        +8
        Quote: vgorlekost
        And in general, on what basis do you judge religion?

        What religions?
        "Witnesses" - who are extremist and prohibited organization ?! laughing
        1. vgorlekost
          vgorlekost 24 November 2015 10: 03 New
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          Quote: Down House
          "Witnesses" - who are extremist and prohibited organization ?!

          And if Jesus would appear now and begin to do what he did and teach what he taught, by whom would he be recognized? And what would you do with him?
          1. Down House
            Down House 24 November 2015 10: 18 New
            +2
            Quote: vgorlekost
            And if Jesus appeared now

            And how would you recognize him ?! How would I make sure that it was he? laughing
            Quote: vgorlekost
            would do what he did and teach what he taught, who would recognize him? And what would you do with him?

            Now let’s give more details on what exactly do you think Jesus taught and what he did ?! Only facts are of interest! fellow
            1. vgorlekost
              vgorlekost 24 November 2015 10: 32 New
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              Quote: Down House
              Now let’s give more details on what exactly do you think Jesus taught and what he did ?! Only facts are of interest!

              Are you out of the dense taiga? Anyone down knows about the Bible. And stupid questions are no longer needed, ok? Go sharpen your laces.
              1. Down House
                Down House 24 November 2015 11: 04 New
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                Quote: vgorlekost
                Are you out of the dense taiga?

                Right now I have a "handbook" dedicated to the general and special theory of relativity, I decided to deepen my knowledge of the world around me a little.
                If you think that Einstein is wrong, and the Bible gives more accurate answers to my questions - well, tell me about them. fellow
                1. vgorlekost
                  vgorlekost 24 November 2015 13: 06 New
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                  Quote: Down House
                  Right now I have a "handbook" dedicated to the general and special theory of relativity, I decided to deepen my knowledge of the surrounding world a little. If you think that Einstein is wrong, and the Bible gives more accurate answers to the questions that interest me - well, tell me about them

                  Do you read Einstein? Well, well .... Let's read together what Einstein said about GOD: - "I want to know how God created the world. I am not interested in certain phenomena in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts, the rest is details "
                  - = "Anyone who is seriously engaged in science comes to the realization that a Spirit is manifested in the laws of nature, which is much higher than a human, - a Spirit, in the face of which we, with our limited powers, must feel our own weakness. In this sense, scientific searches lead to a religious feeling of a special kind, which really differs in many respects from a more naive religiosity. "
                  - "The deeper a person penetrates into the secrets of nature, the more he reveres God" -
                  - "The more I study the world, the stronger my faith in God."
                  - “We are like a child who finds himself in a huge library, in which there are many books in different languages. The child knows that someone wrote these books, but does not know how they were written. He does not understand the languages ​​in which they are written. The child vaguely suspects that there is some mystical order in the arrangement of the books, but he does not know what kind of order it is.
                  It seems to me that even the wisest of people looks exactly like this before God. We see that the universe is arranged in an amazing way and obeys certain laws, but we hardly understand these laws. Our limited mind is not able to comprehend the mysterious power that moves the constellations "-
                  This is not all of his statements. Please comment!
                  1. Down House
                    Down House 24 November 2015 13: 36 New
                    +2
                    Quote: vgorlekost
                    This is not all of his statements. Please comment!

                    I comment - Einstein did not write or speak this crap at the level of the fifth-grader’s statements!
                    Himself read what he said, and compare (if you can) his syllable, his manner of speech and flight of thought with what you wrote supposedly on his behalf!
                    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%AD%D0%B9%D0%BD%D1%88%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%B9%D0%BD_%
                    D0%B8_%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B8%D0%B3%D0%B8%D1%8F
                    1. Rumata
                      Rumata 24 November 2015 13: 51 New
                      +5
                      Most of these quotes are taken out of context or "accidentally" translated incorrectly. Einstein always said that he did not believe in a personified God, and by the word God in such quotes he understood something completely different - harmonic incomprehensibility, something that science does not yet understand at the moment
                      Here is his answer about religiosity
                      “It was, of course, a lie - what you read about my religious beliefs, a lie that is systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God, and I have never denied it, but expressed it clearly. there is something that can be called religious, it is only boundless admiration for the structure of the world, as far as our science is able to comprehend it. "
                      Z.Y
                      By the way, they often do the same with Darwin, take them out of context and cheat, although he was an agnostic
                      1. vgorlekost
                        vgorlekost 24 November 2015 14: 17 New
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                        What I wrote to Down is the same I am addressing to you.
                      2. Down House
                        Down House 24 November 2015 15: 01 New
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                        Quote: Rumata
                        Most of these quotes are taken out of context or "accidentally" translated incorrectly

                        Yes, but not a small part of these statements is simply taken from the ceiling.
                        I gave a link to Vika - "Einstein and Religion" - there and your quote is.
                    2. vgorlekost
                      vgorlekost 24 November 2015 14: 13 New
                      -2
                      All information is freely available, with specific links! What can YOU refute, Expert on the flight of thought .......... sofa. This is also not funny. Satan specifically udil threw at you and spurs.
                      By the way, at the same time you can read generally about scientists, past and present, world-famous and about their relationship to God. Yes, Satan will not allow you. You can’t even be angry, you can only regret ....
                      1. Down House
                        Down House 24 November 2015 15: 05 New
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                        Quote: vgorlekost
                        All information is freely available, with specific links!

                        I look at the article on Wikipedia "Einstein and Religion" - if Einstein can somehow be sewn with white threads to the believers, then only if to Buddhists, but this is not a religion at all in our usual sense.
                        Quote: vgorlekost
                        This is not funny. Satan specifically udil threw at you and spurs.

                        It’s exactly what’s funny to read about me, Satan and the bit in the 21st century. laughing
                      2. vgorlekost
                        vgorlekost 24 November 2015 16: 57 New
                        -1
                        Quote: Down House
                        It’s exactly what’s funny to read about me, Satan and the bit in the 21st century.

                        Oh, what are you laughing at? It’s a pity, of course, on the one hand, I don’t gloat — it’s unlikely that I will be able to look into your eyes when you realize EVERYTHING and realize that Satan the liar and the slanderer has destroyed you and there is no turning back, and nothing can be fixed! I am about the Court, by which everyone will be judged, and from which one cannot hide in the next world .... Would you laugh then?
                      3. Down House
                        Down House 25 November 2015 02: 15 New
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                        Quote: vgorlekost
                        when you realize EVERYTHING and realize that Satan the liar and the slanderer has destroyed you and there is no turning back, and there is NOTHING to be corrected!

                        Where is the information from ?! Come on, evidence! fellow
                      4. vgorlekost
                        vgorlekost 25 November 2015 06: 51 New
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                        Quote: Down House
                        Where is the information from ?! Come on, evidence!

                        All will be. But I would, in your place, not in a hurry. You can fix everything only BEFORE you die. And then you get evidence - you know the truth ....
                      5. Down House
                        Down House 25 November 2015 13: 33 New
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                        Quote: vgorlekost
                        All will be.

                        That is, you have nothing ?! What are you talking about right now ?! laughing
    2. Rumata
      Rumata 24 November 2015 10: 43 New
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      Quote: Down House
      Now let’s give more details on what exactly do you think Jesus taught and what he did ?! Only facts are of interest!

      47. But the slave who knew the will of his master, and was not ready, and did not do according to his will, the beat will be many;
      48. but who did not know, and did the punishment worthy, the bit will be less. And from everyone who has been given much, much will be required, and to whom much is entrusted, they will be more exacted.

      (St. Luke 12: 47,48)
      In fact, there is a lot of interesting things, nobody just reads it
      1. Down House
        Down House 24 November 2015 11: 01 New
        +5
        Quote: Rumata
        In fact, there is a lot of interesting things, nobody just reads it

        For example:
        "If your relatives urge you to worship other gods ... then kill them ... stone them to death" (Deuteronomy 13: 6-10)
        I've read all this, I'm just wondering how the "witness" will comment on this. laughing
      2. a housewife
        a housewife 24 November 2015 16: 13 New
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        I TRANSLATE: ignorance of laws does not exempt from responsibility !!! Everyone should be told understandable images and examples. At that time, a slave was not necessarily in the sense of slavery, but also in the sense of a subject working for someone, even in the sense of devotion, by the way, and in our time, devotion has a high meaning and low. Puns. This, incidentally, is the danger when various sects begin to interpret the Bible in their favor. Witnesses are so explicitly encouraged by their leaders to study biblical quotes, in no case to pay attention to the entire text. The meaning of all the teachings of Jesus consists of two commandments and one golden rule. The rest is attempts to convey this to people's consciousness. From the very beginning, whoever wants to understand - understands, the others customize for themselves or do not accept at all.
        1. Rumata
          Rumata 24 November 2015 17: 33 New
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          Quote: housewife
          At that time, a slave was not necessarily in the sense of slavery, but also in the sense of a subject working for someone, even in the sense of devotion, by the way, and in our time, devotion has a high meaning and low.

          Sorry, but this is not an argument. I freely read in Hebrew and in the Torah the word slave cannot be confused with others like a wage worker, this is according to the Old Testament. I quoted from the New Testament, which was written partly in Greek, partly in Hebrew, and the word slave is also used there, and not the worker. I can quote if interested. It’s like with the immaculate conception, which began due to an incorrect translation, so the young maiden turned into a virgin.
          1. vgorlekost
            vgorlekost 24 November 2015 18: 00 New
            +1
            But you are not reading Hebrew?
            And the New Testament is not written in Hebrew.
            But all this is not important. What you are talking about is a PROBLEM. For THOSE people to understand more or less, the proportionality of the will of God and man, only in this sense can we consider the word slave.
            1. Rumata
              Rumata 24 November 2015 18: 12 New
              +1
              Quote: vgorlekost
              But you are not reading in ancient Hebrew?

              I do not read Aramaic and Greek. Modern Hebrew, a language revived on the basis of Hebrew. Roughly speaking, the letters are slightly different, but the words are the same. That is, reading the Torah in modern Hebrew, I do not read the translation, but the adaptation to a slightly different alphabet. In addition, there are scrolls in Aramaic, this is the original language of many parts of the Torah. The New Testament was written either in Greek or Hebrew and translated into Greek. Of course, I'm not special, but I can understand the context of the word slave.
              1. vgorlekost
                vgorlekost 24 November 2015 18: 24 New
                +1
                Quote: Rumata
                I can understand the context of the word slave.


                We are talking about the parable-Parable - a short instructive story in allegorical form, embodying a moral teaching (wisdom). The parable is close to a fable in content.
                And the slave-there is not about our slavery.
                You are an intelligent person, and you yourself must understand these nuances.
                Although ....... if you do not know God, you may not understand. He himself was, looked at the book, and saw a fig. )
              2. Rumata
                Rumata 24 November 2015 21: 23 New
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                Tautology. Using this logic, I can interpret everything as I like. For example, there is a description of how you can buy slaves, at what price. I can say that this is an allegory and I mean something else, and under the other write ANYTHING. Lot's daughters got drunk and slept with their father. If you can try to explain it anyway, why do you need a Bible? You take an offer like "Fight evil" and that's it, everyone understands how they want and acts accordingly. For one Evil - Thou shalt not kill, for another there are caricatures of Muhammad, for the third everything is alive, and it must be destroyed.
              3. a housewife
                a housewife 24 November 2015 21: 39 New
                +1
                The Bible says not only how a person should live, but how it should not.
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  • bornikrub
    bornikrub 24 November 2015 13: 18 New
    +2
    "Witnesses" are the same weapon of the State Department as ISIS.
    1. Aryan
      Aryan 24 November 2015 17: 36 New
      0
      Drive the filthy broom
      May all Scientologists return to themselves across the ocean
      And in each hand they will take a witness of Yehovah angry
      1. vgorlekost
        vgorlekost 24 November 2015 18: 05 New
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        And where are the Aryans? )
  • Homo
    Homo 24 November 2015 10: 06 New
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    Quote: vgorlekost
    And in general, on what basis do you judge religion - if your religion is from an old woman with a hat, and the scriptures from Ouspensky?

    Remind you where you can poke? Ham can not teach the lives of others !!!
    1. vgorlekost
      vgorlekost 24 November 2015 14: 20 New
      -1
      Whoever is addressed knows what this is about. And where you can poke, poke YOUR will .....
      And you better remember where you should not PUSH .....
  • vgorlekost
    vgorlekost 24 November 2015 09: 03 New
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    Quote: inkass_98
    It is high time. This infection has quieted down some time ago, and now it has revived again.
    And it’s high time to ask for the rest of a riffraff like Jehovah’s and Mormon’s homeland.

    Sorry for the expression, but this is not a comment but HIGH !!!! A similar vyser from this paper marshal was yesterday. I just wrote to him in PM that there are questions about his comment in response - like, I don’t have to follow questions and answers. Lives by the principle - on .. al-swam away.
    1. vgorlekost
      vgorlekost 24 November 2015 09: 57 New
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      It is not necessary to switch to personalities, we did not drink and will not go to brotherhood. The "religions" I have indicated are totalitarian and were banned in Soviet times. I know a lot about something, dear father. And such questions are asked in personal mail, if anything, you will receive answers there .---------------------------------- ----------
      ))) This tricky figure-inkass_98-first blacklisted me, and then wrote the above ....
      And you are aware that, for example, Jehovah's Witnesses were banned in Nazi Germany. Both of them and we have sat in the camps for their faith. And now the activities of Jehovah's Witnesses are banned in China, North Korea, Turkmenistan, Tajikistan, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq — to go nuts! What an example to follow!
      Regarding the - "native father" - the Bible says - there are sons of God and there are sons of the devil .... - Did you see his daddy?
      1. 0255
        0255 24 November 2015 10: 37 New
        +8
        Quote: vgorlekost
        And you are aware that, for example, Jehovah's Witnesses were banned in Nazi Germany. Both of them and we have sat in the camps for their faith. And now, the activities of Jehovah's Witnesses are banned in China, North Korea, Turkmenistan, Tajikistan, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq — to go nuts. What an example to follow

        And rightly prohibited. All Jehovah's Witnesses, Baptists, Pentecostals, Adventists, other pseudo-Christian "preachers" and Scientologists should be driven out of the country. All these sects are funded from the United States - and the Americans will not finance us anything good.
        1. vgorlekost
          vgorlekost 24 November 2015 17: 08 New
          -1
          Quote: 0255
          - And the Americans will not finance us anything good.

          And then what do you eat, drink, watch, listen and use them made or paid for?
          Or will you say that I'm sitting on all my relatives and looking at my old-native? Patriot.....
  • deputy ___ watered
    deputy ___ watered 24 November 2015 07: 08 New
    0
    Yaytsenyuk like a Baptist! Of course there are no less cockroaches, but do not confuse wet with soft.
    1. Putinets
      Putinets 24 November 2015 07: 20 New
      +7
      rabbit Scientologist Baptist is Turchin
    2. Baloo
      Baloo 24 November 2015 07: 43 New
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      Baptist of cadavers. Yaytsenyuh chief scientologist for banderkraine.
      1. a housewife
        a housewife 24 November 2015 16: 19 New
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        When they don’t know what the next sect is called, they call it a Baptist church. They showed somehow a couple of times a bunch where Turchinov is found. No relation to the Baptists !!! Nothing like a form of Satanism!
  • Darkness
    Darkness 24 November 2015 07: 15 New
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    Generally forbid any religion!
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 24 November 2015 07: 27 New
      12
      Generally forbid any religion!


      You can’t ... for purely psychological reasons ... religion can be said as a club and relaxation therapy .... depending on whose hands it is in.
      It is clear that the bastards use the Koran, the Bible or the Torah to kill their own kind in order to gain power over people.
      A person with pure thoughts uses faith to heal people's souls.

      When a person loses his loved ones ... he is left alone and he has no one to rely on purely psychologically, he needs help that he often finds in faith ... and then he’s lucky in whose hands he will fall when he goes to church, a synagogue, a minaret, a mosque and other houses of worship.
      1. Darkness
        Darkness 24 November 2015 07: 33 New
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        Something scoundrels are orders of magnitude more than "saints".
        And instead of religious organizations, psychiatry is quite successfully treating the "soul".
        1. SALLAK
          SALLAK 24 November 2015 09: 33 New
          +3
          Practical psychiatry only realizes about the real psychology of a person, otherwise madhouses would have closed up ... Nobody has come closer to understanding the world order of the soul and body ...
      2. CONTROL
        CONTROL 24 November 2015 09: 02 New
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        Quote: The same Lech
        Generally forbid any religion!


        You can’t ... for purely psychological reasons ... religion can be said as a club and relaxation therapy .... depending on whose hands it is in.
        When a person loses his loved ones ... he is left alone and he has no one to rely on.

        ... you can start (or continue) to drink vodka ...
        Some kind of primitive understanding of religion. Religion is a way and way of extra-scientific (spiritual) cognition and management (!!!) of the world! Many prominent scientists (especially the natural sciences - physicists, mathematicians, biologists, physicians ... but not verbiage such as philosophers and psychologists!) Come to any religion, because of the passion for cognition and control of the world that is inevitable for a scientist, and - failure the whole apparatus and instrumentation of science, the scientific method - for this! Scientology, like other totalitarian sects, does not give this, but it gives only tools to subordinate some people to others; develops psychological dependencies, actively uses NLP (neurolinguistic programming) - which, incidentally, is excellent - due to the specifics of the profession - the actors are susceptible ... Well, and the associated elevation - and, in a capitalist way! - enrichment of one at the expense of many ... Nothing new - the same eggs, view in profile and painted in a new way!
        1. Same lech
          Same lech 24 November 2015 09: 21 New
          +3
          Some kind of primitive understanding of religion. Religion is a way and way of extra-scientific (spiritual) cognition and management (!!!) of the world!


          Oh .... whether to rule the world and to know it in all its diversity is not given to anyone even a believer.
          To consider faith in this vein is like subordinating GOD to yourself ... as you know in history, many wanted this and where they are all.
          A human being who imagines himself above nature will never be allowed to look beyond the horizon ....
          you can’t give a small and uneducated child (humanity) control of the world ... it’s clear how this will end.
          1. CONTROL
            CONTROL 24 November 2015 10: 04 New
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            Quote: The same Lech

            Oh .... whether to rule the world and to know it in all its diversity is not given to anyone even a believer.
            To consider faith in this vein is like subordinating GOD to yourself ... as you know in history, many wanted this and where they are all.
            A human being who imagines himself above nature will never be allowed to look beyond the horizon ....
            you can’t give a small and uneducated child (humanity) control of the world ... it’s clear how this will end.

            ... and to whom do you become like IT asserting? not to God, but to his antagonist? ...
            No one is talking about full submission to the world yourself, your desires and needs! All (!!!) religions strive for harmony with the world in which a person lives, and its sects - this harmony - are destroyed ...
            ... By the way, about likening a person to God: modern fundamental physics does not exclude a person from achieving at some stage some, albeit limited, functions of God! From the point of view of a resident of Ancient Egypt, the driver of a car or an airplane pilot is almost God! ...
            And a person will not always be "small and uneducated." Who knows, maybe our world - the world in which we live - is just the fruit of a game or a fantasy of an "uneducated child"? I would be educated and older - maybe our world would be better, more harmonious ... or at least more salaries ... lower prices ...
            1. a housewife
              a housewife 24 November 2015 16: 26 New
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              When they say that man is created in the image and likeness of God, for some reason they understand this primitively. Man has the features of God: the desire for creativity, for Good, for creation, for the knowledge of the world, for Perfection! Satan seeks to pervert all these qualities. Everything is simple.
            2. a housewife
              a housewife 24 November 2015 16: 26 New
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              When they say that man is created in the image and likeness of God, for some reason they understand this primitively. Man has the features of God: the desire for creativity, for Good, for creation, for the knowledge of the world, for Perfection! Satan seeks to pervert all these qualities. Everything is simple.
              1. vgorlekost
                vgorlekost 24 November 2015 17: 26 New
                0
                You are a little late, I snatched all the minuses. )))))
              2. Down House
                Down House 25 November 2015 02: 22 New
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                Quote: housewife
                Man has the features of God: the desire for creativity, for Good, for creation, for the knowledge of the world, for Perfection!

                And where is it written ?! smile
          2. Rumata
            Rumata 24 November 2015 10: 13 New
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            Quote: The same LYOKHA
            A human being who imagines himself above nature will never be allowed to look beyond the horizon ....
            you can’t give a small and uneducated child (humanity) control of the world ... it’s clear how this will end.

            What ended when the administration was given to the priests? No matter in what period of history, in which country, it always led to a blood bath
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 24 November 2015 11: 23 New
              -1
              Quote: Rumata
              No matter in what period of history, in which country, it always led to a blood bath

              In our country, representatives of your people arranged bloody baths more often than priests.
              1. Rumata
                Rumata 24 November 2015 11: 54 New
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                Quote: Ingvar 72
                In our country, representatives of your people arranged bloody baths more often than priests.

                In your country, bloody baths were arranged for everyone and sundry, starting with the Russians and ending with the Chechens, what do I have to do with it?
                1. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 24 November 2015 12: 50 New
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                  Quote: Rumata
                  what have I got to do with it?

                  Personally, you have nothing to do with (on you?). I talked about the representatives of your people. Be it a great turmoil, revolution, perestroika. Everywhere the leading role was played by Jews. request
          3. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 24 November 2015 11: 19 New
            +1
            Quote: The same LYOKHA
            To consider faith in this vein is like subjugating GOD

            Faith and religion are different in purpose. Monotheistic Judaism was originally created by the "wise men" as a means of managing people and tested on the Jews. In the "processing" it was presented to other peoples. One way or another, Christianity and Islam are, in essence and in fact, offshoots of Judaism. These are all religions. Faith, however, is a primordially traditional concept for every nation, and is a kind of immune system against foreign influences. That is why ALL monotheistic religions began to fight the so-called paganism.
            Orthodox Christianity is a symbiosis with the original Russian paganism, and this is why the West is so hated. That is why the persecution goes to the Russian version of catholicism, although according to dogma it almost does not differ from Greek, but it has absorbed a lot of pagan traditions. And it is a spiritual bond of the people.
            Here is the reason why they are trying to open all sorts of sects, churches, and movements in Russia. hi
            1. Rumata
              Rumata 24 November 2015 12: 01 New
              -2
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              Orthodox Christianity is a symbiosis with the original Russian paganism, and this is why the West is so hated.

              In the West, everyone strictly does not care about Orthodox Christianity, I do not see mention of it anywhere. This was created for you by the image of the ENEMY, who encroached on the most sacred, but in believe.
              It's tough about faith as an immune system. Faith is a "bug" in our brain, which is also explained by evolution, like omens, for example.
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 24 November 2015 12: 54 New
                +1
                Quote: Rumata
                This was created for you by the image of the ENEMY, who encroached on the most sacred, but in believe.

                First, the Teutons came to us with a sword and a cross (Catholic), then the Poles with fire and a sword, then the Jews in 1917 undertook to destroy Orthodoxy, simultaneously circumcising the Russian language (Lunacharsky reform). Excuse me, we drew an image, you’ll erase horseradish.
                Quote: Rumata
                Faith is a "bug" in our brain, which is also explained by evolution, like omens, for example.

                Signs help live? wink
                1. Rumata
                  Rumata 24 November 2015 13: 25 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  Signs help live?

                  Belief in signs, as well as faith in general, are characteristics of our perceptions that helped us survive in the African savannah.
                  Just an example - moving the grass. If you thought that there was a predator and made a mistake, you did not lose anything, if you scored on this matter and there was a predator - you are a corpse. Over many generations, this has become part of our perception, and we always and foremost in everything give some meaning, animate inanimate things and this is a scientific fact. First of all, it seems to us that everything has a sense, a reason and nothing happens just like that and it doesn’t matter. God is a black cat or such pictures

                  Or an even brighter example, watch this video without reading the subtitles, and then start reading

                  or in Russian

            2. GAF
              GAF 24 November 2015 13: 25 New
              +1
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              Faith and religion are different in purpose.

              To a large extent, it is so. The Church is the conductor of religion - something like an "administrative" superstructure over faith. By the way, the Gospel does not contain the words of Jesus Christ about the church arrangement of His teaching. Sometimes, while critically referring to the ministers of the church, it should be borne in mind that sincerely believing people, coming to church, leave their thought forms on "their" icon, .... Sacred stone in Mecca. Idols and sacred oaks of the "pagans". All these are places of prayer for sincere believers. Everyone, according to their faith, has their own path to God.
              1. Rumata
                Rumata 24 November 2015 13: 43 New
                +4
                Quote: GAF
                Everyone, according to his faith, has his own path to God.

                Personally, I am not against faith, but it was always interesting - why are you sure that your faith is correct? Even if you remove the religion and look at some abstract creator, why are you sure that it exists? Or is it one being, not thousands as in anemism? People have come up with so many things over thousands of years, and each of these gods can be real. Or is it not important, but faith alone is important?
                1. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 24 November 2015 13: 53 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Rumata
                  Or is it not important, but faith alone is important?

                  More likely that way. The faith of each people is the concentrated experience of all generations of this people.
                2. GAF
                  GAF 24 November 2015 14: 16 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Rumata
                  Or is it not important, but faith alone is important?

                  You ask a question that is too complicated to answer so unambiguously. The eternal question. The human mind, which has comprehended the harmony and expediency of the world order, resists the thought that man is an unimportant accident in this world. Someone is trying to personify this harmony and expediency in God. Too many inexplicable phenomena, including on the verge of miracles that are not subject to rational explanation. Someone is trying to attract some creative Higher Mind responsible for the World to help. Someone believes in the existence of a certain Higher justice and good. Without faith in something, a person slides into the physiological level of existence. Sheer pragmatics.
                  1. Rumata
                    Rumata 24 November 2015 14: 48 New
                    +1
                    Even faith allows a person to do things that he would not have done without this faith, a vivid example is the Shaids with their paradise. I judge by myself. If they provide me with comprehensive evidence of religion or a higher mind, I can believe in them, but there is no such evidence and I am too skeptic to believe just like that, because the world is so complicated. There are only philosophical fabrications that are completely useless.
                    Quote: GAF
                    Too many inexplicable phenomena, including on the verge of miracles,

                    but, nevertheless, miracles have not been found, and there are fewer and fewer unexplained phenomena. The debate between atheists and believers has come to the point that the latter has either to go into deep philosophical reasoning in which you cannot figure it out without 100 grams, or to use what science cannot explain yet like "And who made the big bang and what came before him, God created evolution as a process and let it go "and so on. I just honestly don't understand how you can believe so strongly in something that simply doesn't exist.
                    1. vgorlekost
                      vgorlekost 24 November 2015 15: 52 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Rumata
                      If they provide me with comprehensive evidence of religion or a higher mind, I can believe in them, but there is no such evidence.

                      You probably wanted to say about the proof of the existence of God who is. Evidence is different.
                      The evidence is strewn with everything around us and in ourselves, but a person sees this only when he gains faith. And there is what is called a sign from God, a direct confirmation from God Himself about His Existence.
                      YOU do not have this evidence. But this does not mean that no one has them.
                      "Ask, and it shall be given you; seek and find; knock, and they will open it to you; for everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened. ” - this is true, but how many knock?
                      1. Rumata
                        Rumata 24 November 2015 16: 12 New
                        0
                        Quote: vgorlekost
                        oh man sees this only when he gains faith

                        Proof and faith are contradictory, since faith is the acceptance of something without evidence
                        Faith - recognition of something true, often without preliminary factual or logical verification, solely because of an internal, subjective immutable conviction, which does not need evidence to justify itself, although sometimes it searches for them

                        The rest of the message is not about anything. Give an example of evidence, just don’t write things like
                        The laugh of a child, a rainbow, the coolness of a spring morning, kindness, and more. In fact...
                      2. a housewife
                        a housewife 24 November 2015 16: 39 New
                        +1
                        I am afraid that the proof for one for the other is stupid.
                      3. Rumata
                        Rumata 24 November 2015 17: 38 New
                        +1
                        Quote: housewife
                        I am afraid that the proof for one for the other is stupid.

                        This is the root of all religious differences. In addition to the scientific method, we did not create a way to verify the veracity of something, it is also not ideal, but very close. People can talk about UFOs as much as they like, but until the evidence is verified by experts, these are all fairy tales. So with religion, why are all miracles happening unclear where, without photos, videos, with 1-2 witnesses? For so many years they could not prove a single miracle, and even people interested in this tried.
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                    3. vgorlekost
                      vgorlekost 24 November 2015 17: 21 New
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                      You are cunning
                      Quote: Rumata
                      Faith - recognition of something true, often - without preliminary factual or logical verification

                      -FREQUENTLY the word about what speaks to you? About that, always?
                      Here is another option for you- FAITH-EXACT KNOWING ABOUT WHAT WILL BE-this is what I personally live for.
                      I wrote to you, until a person gains faith, he is blind, and when he sees clearly, he realizes that he was blind and that every creature speaks of God.
                      I also pointed out that there is knowledge about God, directly from God Himself, and it is after the manifestation of such a miracle that the most ardent atheist receives faith, accurate knowledge .....
                      And about the evidence that you demand from me, so are the Jews of Jesus, who quickened the dead and did many other miracles, tormented and killed, so what are my words for you ....? Ugh ....
                    4. Rumata
                      Rumata 24 November 2015 17: 48 New
                      0
                      Quote: vgorlekost
                      -FREQUENTLY the word about what speaks to you? About that, always?

                      Then what is written? You read the whole quote. Even if they try to verify Vera, she still relies on a subjective confidence in fidelity, which does not even require proof.
                      Quote: vgorlekost
                      I wrote to you, until a person gains faith, he is blind, and when he sees clearly, he realizes that he was blind and that every creature speaks of God.

                      And I answered you, people with critical thinking will not simply believe in the hope that the chakras will open and everything will become clear.
                      Quote: vgorlekost
                      about the evidence that you demand from me, so the Jews of Jesus, who quickened the dead and did many other miracles, tormented and killed, so what are my words for you ....?

                      Supporters of every second guru in India, claim that they personally saw how he levitated, raised the dead and lived for years without food, should I call everyone the messiah? There were many miracles in Viking mythology, why are they worse than Christian ones? And why should I believe in these myths less than in the alleged miracles of Jesus, which were recorded for the first time 40 years after his death, and not by eyewitnesses, but on the basis of oral stories, this is a historical fact.
                    5. vgorlekost
                      vgorlekost 24 November 2015 18: 40 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Rumata
                      moreover, not by eyewitnesses, but on the basis of oral stories, this is a historical fact.
                      - And the Gospel of John for example?
                      You are looking for evidence of the falsehood of Scripture, their millions, supposedly. Who doesn’t want to hear, at least in the megaphone ori-he won’t hear, who does not want to see .......... Let's not go from empty to empty ...
                      Better tell me what is your interest in this lengthy debate? You have your personal "truth". So what are you looking for? Frankly.
                    6. Rumata
                      Rumata 24 November 2015 21: 33 New
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                      Quote: vgorlekost
                      and the gospel of John for example?

                      There is nothing written by contemporaries of Jesus in the New Testament, the Gospel of John was written by three different people, one of which was most likely John the presbyter, a disciple of the apostle John, and dating to around 90 AD We came to this conclusion by comparing different versions of the same thing, writing styles and much more. Catholics, for example, do not deny that the author of this Gospel is not the same John ...
                    7. vgorlekost
                      vgorlekost 25 November 2015 07: 14 New
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                      FORCED TO REPEAT -
                      Better tell me what is your interest in this lengthy debate? You have your personal "truth". So what are you looking for? Frankly.
                      You vehemently deny God because you think it is better to live as you live, do what and how you wish, and after death - NOTHING, and you will not need to be responsible for your affairs. So? Comfortable and relaxed, right?
  • Down House
    Down House 24 November 2015 10: 01 New
    +3
    Quote: CONTROL
    Many prominent scientists (especially the natural sciences - physicists, mathematicians, biologists, physicians ... but not verbiage such as philosophers and psychologists!) Come to any religion

    Bullshit - a person’s religiosity is inversely proportional to his education. This is a scientifically proven fact.
    1. vgorlekost
      vgorlekost 24 November 2015 10: 09 New
      -2
      Quote: Down House
      Bullshit - a person’s religiosity is inversely proportional to his education. This is a scientifically proven fact.

      Well, imyachko you chose yourself ....
      1. Down House
        Down House 24 November 2015 10: 24 New
        0
        Quote: vgorlekost
        Well, you chose yourself

        That is, in fact, you have nothing to object to ?! fellow
        1. Rumata
          Rumata 24 November 2015 10: 48 New
          -4
          Quote: Down House
          That is, in fact, you have nothing to object to ?!

          What is there to argue? Similar results have been achieved in many countries. The more you know about the structure of the world, the less you need religion. Religion kills critical thinking and the Internet. Against the first, they try to introduce lessons in schools while the children are small and cannot critically approach myths, against the second they create laws on blasphemy, infringement on the feelings of believers, etc. ...
          1. Down House
            Down House 24 November 2015 11: 07 New
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            Quote: Rumata
            The more you know about the structure of the world, the less you need religion.

            Well, actually 100% true.
            Another thing is that not everyone is genetically given to become academicians — what should they do if they want to know about the world around them and have orientations in it, and their ability to know it is limited? recourse
            1. Rumata
              Rumata 24 November 2015 11: 22 New
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              Quote: Down House
              Well, actually 100% true.
              Another thing is that not everyone is genetically given to become academicians — what should they do if they want to know about the world around them and have orientations in it, and their ability to know it is limited?

              The question is interesting. Of course, people cannot know everything about everything. I think that the problem is in the approach, if a person is interested in something, he must first check what answer the science gives, the benefit is the Internet, and not run and look for explanations in ancient books, signs and more. For example, priests often say that without religion and the Bible there can be no morality, what is bad and what is good. But if you read a little, it becomes obvious that this is not so. Children at the age of one year, who do not really understand anything, are trying to somehow reassure parents who are sad or even cry. They definitely didn’t get it from the Bible, it’s evolution. Like a cuckoo chick, which first of all throws all the eggs out of the nest, without really hatching ..

              Or, for example, miracles attributed to religions. If you approach this critically, it will become clear that there is not a single normally documented miracle in any religion and you should not take a word. Skepticism is our everything.
              1. Down House
                Down House 24 November 2015 11: 45 New
                0
                Quote: Rumata
                Or, for example, miracles attributed to religions.

                Yes, there are no miracles, otherwise Copperfield would be not only the father, but the grandfather of God himself))
                You just have to understand that Vera is a feeling, moreover, a genetic one (there were studies on the brain - there was something like a pituitary gland)
                And religion is the essence of politics based on faith and the desire of many people for simplicity.
    2. vgorlekost
      vgorlekost 24 November 2015 15: 37 New
      -1
      Quote: Down House
      Quote: CONTROL
      Many prominent scientists (especially the natural sciences - physicists, mathematicians, biologists, physicians ... but not verbiage such as philosophers and psychologists!) Come to any religion

      They told you a fact, which is easy and simple to check having an Internet, and you started talking about nonsense.
      Check and do not carry nonsense.
      1. Down House
        Down House 24 November 2015 16: 19 New
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        Quote: vgorlekost
        said a fact, which is easy and simple to check having an Internet

        A survey among current scientists in the natural sciences who are members of the American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS), conducted by researchers at the Pew Research Center in May-July 2009, showed that members of this group are, in general, much less religious than the population in whole. “Indeed,” the author reports, “the study shows that faith in God and in higher power is found among scholars about two times less than among members of the general public.” According to the survey, slightly more than half (51%) of scientists believe in a deity or a higher power in one form or another. In particular, 33% of scholars say they believe in God, and 18% say they believe in a "universal spirit" or "higher power." At the same time, among all Americans, 95% believe in some form of deity or higher power, among which 83% of Americans say that they believe in God and 12% say that they believe in “universal spirit” or “higher power”. In general, a survey by the Pew Research Center among scientists revealed that 41% of them do not believe in the existence of God or any higher power, but a public poll that only 4% of Americans hold the same view.
        At the same time, according to the Federal Penitentiary Service, the share of believers among prisoners is higher than the share of believers in Russia as a whole, prisoners are much more likely to attend church services.
        1. vgorlekost
          vgorlekost 24 November 2015 17: 41 New
          +1
          So try to figure out what is said in essence. The majority call themselves "believers" for a variety of reasons, mainly traditions in the family or country, so it is accepted. But do they sincerely believe? Look with an open mind at both the foreign-and in Russia-who call themselves believers a wagon and a small cart, right? And scientists, in general, are initially atheists - and only in the process of their scientific activity they UNDERSTAND that this world is IMPOSSIBLE without its CREATOR, and purely scientific, relying on facts - obvious for him, a man of science, come to God.
          And about the convicts is all window dressing, the same for various reasons, mainly because of personal selfish interests. Where does their faith go after liberation. Moreover, in almost all prisoners "malyavs" - God is with us, and so on.
          And churches with domes all over their body, is that really faith?
          1. Down House
            Down House 25 November 2015 02: 36 New
            0
            Quote: vgorlekost
            So try to figure out what is said in essence.

            That the higher the level of education, the higher the intelligence of the individual, the less he needs religion to understand the world.
            This is elementary - when a person is able to read and remember hundreds of books - for example, according to the same philosophy or sociology, he knows about the world around him 100500 times more than what is written in the Bible.
            Quote: vgorlekost
            they UNDERSTAND that this world is IMPOSSIBLE without its CREATOR,

            You would have read about imaginary time in quantum mechanics at least, with which the universe has neither beginning and end nor any time boundaries, maybe you thought about it how it is and what is the place of the "creator" in such a world fellow
            1. vgorlekost
              vgorlekost 25 November 2015 07: 01 New
              0
              Quote: Down House
              This is elementary - when a person is able to read and remember hundreds of books - for example, according to the same philosophy or sociology, he knows about the world around him 100500 times more than what is written in the Bible.

              More beeches than in the Bible - I agree. But the Bible contains the TRUTH and eternal life of man in the new world under the guidance of a loving and caring Father! What can compare with this? - "And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more; neither weeping, nor outcry, nor sickness will be any more, for the former things have passed away" (Rev. 21: 4)
              Quote: Down House
              That the higher the level of education, the higher the intelligence of the individual, the less he needs religion to understand the world.
              -
              - "For the wisdom of this world is folly before God"
              1. Down House
                Down House 25 November 2015 13: 38 New
                0
                Quote: vgorlekost
                But the Bible contains TRUE

                Quote: vgorlekost
                What can compare with this?

                Consistency of science based on the scientific method.
                Or doesn’t it bother you that the Bible consists of mutually exclusive paragraphs?
                Quote: vgorlekost
                For the wisdom of this world is folly before God "

                Well, yes, everything is relative, the most outstanding sage will always look foolish in the eyes of a fool laughing
            2. vgorlekost
              vgorlekost 25 November 2015 10: 34 New
              0
              Quote: Down House
              You would have read about imaginary time in quantum mechanics at least, with which the universe has neither beginning and end nor any time boundaries, maybe you thought about it how it is and what is the place of the "creator" in such a world

              And if you were honest and objective, you would not be looking for "evidence" and confirmation of your religion - atheism. In the same quantum mechanics, the materialistic theory stops working.
              Also your "favorite" scientists have proved and study - the expansion of the universe. What does it mean.....?
              1. Down House
                Down House 25 November 2015 13: 39 New
                +1
                Quote: vgorlekost
                In the same quantum mechanics, materialist theory ceases to work.

                Do not carry nonsense, in quantum mechanics, first of all, the principle of quantum uncertainty works from which the impossibility of "God's predetermination" follows!
                1. vgorlekost
                  vgorlekost 25 November 2015 15: 58 New
                  -1
                  Quote: Down House
                  Do not carry nonsense, in quantum mechanics, first of all, the principle of quantum uncertainty works from which it follows the impossibility of "God's predetermination

                  ))) If you really want to understand something in something, you have to comprehend the meaning YOURSELF, and not retell other people's thoughts. You should have a passion for REAL knowledge, not the ability to close your eyes, ears and soul from the arguments refuting "your" picture of the world.
                  All finished bickering - the future will show everything, ok? I sincerely wish you good luck in understanding and awareness.
                2. Down House
                  Down House 25 November 2015 16: 54 New
                  0
                  Quote: vgorlekost
                  If you really want to understand something in something, you should comprehend the meaning yourself, and not retell the thoughts of others

                  You yourself would have understood these other people's and clever thoughts to begin with, then you would not have to "yourself" look for "something there" and find nonsense!
                  Quote: vgorlekost
                  All finished bickering - the future will show everything, ok?

                  Yes, calm down, the present has already shown EVERYTHING, science does not need "Jehovah's theory" to explain the world around fellow
      2. Rumata
        Rumata 24 November 2015 17: 54 New
        +1
        Quote: Down House
        American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS)

        A survey at the National Academy of Sciences showed that 89% of its members are atheists or agnostics. This is a leading scientific organization in the United States and the world, which includes 2700 scientists, more than 2000 of whom are Americans.
  • Alexdark
    Alexdark 24 November 2015 07: 17 New
    +7
    Look, Tom Cruise pours all his fees there. All are fucked up, and they don’t hide it.
    1. Darkness
      Darkness 24 November 2015 07: 24 New
      -7
      Are you an accountant for Cruise?
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    3. Down House
      Down House 24 November 2015 10: 02 New
      +3
      Quote: AlexDARK
      Look, Tom Cruise pours all his fees there.

      Well, okay, rather they "unfasten" him - he is one of their "gurus"!
  • parusnik
    parusnik 24 November 2015 07: 24 New
    11
    The basis of Scientology, according to Hubbard, is “movement along the steps of development”.. And the same Hubbard said, you want to cut the dough, come up with a religion ..
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 24 November 2015 07: 31 New
    +5
    In the 21st year of its turbulent activity

    Finally, as they say, political will was enough. In only 20 years, they managed to do so much in the minds and souls of Russians that it will take a very long time to haunt.
  • Darkness
    Darkness 24 November 2015 07: 31 New
    -13
    ROC slowly removes competitors)))
  • Military Builder
    Military Builder 24 November 2015 07: 44 New
    12
    Quote: Darkness
    ROC slowly removes competitors)))

    Scientologists are competitors to the Russian Orthodox Church, well, well, crazy chamber.
    1. Darkness
      Darkness 24 November 2015 08: 02 New
      +1
      It was sarcasm, if that.
      1. Military Builder
        Military Builder 24 November 2015 08: 38 New
        +5
        Generally forbid any religion!


        is it sarcasm too?
      2. vorobey
        vorobey 24 November 2015 08: 50 New
        +7
        Quote: Darkness
        It was sarcasm, if that.


        it wasn’t even stupid - if that ...
    2. vgorlekost
      vgorlekost 24 November 2015 08: 42 New
      -7
      Quote: War Builder
      Scientologists are competitors to the Russian Orthodox Church, well, well, crazy chamber.


      And someone has a shovel of everything, but nothing lives and is not steamed, right?
  • Born in USSR
    Born in USSR 24 November 2015 07: 51 New
    +9
    That's right and does. All this riffraff of all Scientologists, Baptists, witnesses, it’s not clear what needs to be driven by a filthy broom, remember the white brotherhood, so let them sit in AI.
    1. vgorlekost
      vgorlekost 24 November 2015 08: 31 New
      -12
      Quote: Born in the USSR
      That's right and does. All this riffraff of all Scientologists, Baptists, witnesses, it’s not clear what needs to be driven by a filthy broom, remember the white brotherhood, so let them sit in AI.

      It is not clear what is in your head. Before disturbing everyone in one pile and carrying nonsense and insults, sweep a devil out of your head with a filthy broom. And just better shut up, seem smarter.
      1. Down House
        Down House 24 November 2015 10: 05 New
        +1
        Quote: vgorlekost
        sweep a devil out of your head with a filthy broom.

        A demon out of my head ?!
        I know about parasites in the intestines, I hear about a demon in my head for the first time laughing
    2. Rumata
      Rumata 24 November 2015 10: 16 New
      -7
      Quote: Born in the USSR
      That's right and does. All this riffraff of all Scientologists, Baptists, witnesses, it’s not clear what needs to be driven by a filthy broom, remember the white brotherhood, so let them sit in AI.

      Why didn’t they mention Islam, Judaism and Orthodoxy? Because they are closer? What is the difference between Baptists and Orthodox? Two currents of one sect
      1. Down House
        Down House 24 November 2015 10: 26 New
        +2
        Quote: Rumata
        Why didn’t they mention Islam, Judaism and Orthodoxy?

        And what is bad and dangerous in them?
        1. Rumata
          Rumata 24 November 2015 10: 52 New
          -2
          Quote: Down House
          And what is bad and dangerous in them?

          Open the news and read what is initially bad in Islam. But this is not the point, trying to ban some religions, but others do not touch. They are trying to start teaching Orthodoxy in schools, but not Buddhism or animalism. And I understand the logic in the prohibition of Jehovah's Witnesses, but the Baptists, Mormons and others, are they worse than Orthodoxy? And many of these movements are actually trying to ban or impede their activities in the Russian Federation.


          You tell me what is good in Orthodoxy or Judaism with Islam, except for the reassurance of self-deception?
          1. Down House
            Down House 24 November 2015 11: 23 New
            0
            Quote: Rumata
            You tell me what is good in Orthodoxy or Judaism with Islam, except for the reassurance of self-deception?

            Let's just say that I myself am an unbeliever - but "human-centrism" is not peculiar to me either, I do not consider our knowledge about the world around us complete, accurate, the only true one and I admit that the world around us, in principle, cannot be understood and comprehended by the human mind.
            But even existing religions will not give answers to these questions of the limitations of human knowledge, they will operate with even less information, the bulk of which is incorrect and unscientific.
            But here the main question is the usefulness and unusefulness of this limited amount of information, and in fact, it is on the "asymmetry and limitedness" of knowledge that our entire civilization is built - and there is nothing wrong with that, since the possibilities and needs for knowledge are initially limited.
            Therefore, for me there is no question of correctness or incorrectness of information in the absolute, for me there is a question of the sufficiency of knowledge within the boundaries of the individual's cognition and the correspondence of this information with the "general concept" in which a particular individual should take his right place.
            Something like this )))) hi
            1. Rumata
              Rumata 24 November 2015 12: 10 New
              0
              I agree in many respects, but the problem is that religion is now actively climbing into our lives, in any country. They propose to prohibit the teaching of evolution, introduce theology as a compulsory subject, they propose to prohibit the stories of Pushkin, who did not really like it, priests, destroy exhibitions that are called blasphemous. At this pace, you can come to a system in Saudi Arabia, but under Orthodoxy, which is not much better.
              Look how many Christian fanatics have appeared lately, there used to be one Enteo, now there are hundreds of them. And this is not only in the Russian Federation, but also in my country, for example, in the USA and many more
          2. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 24 November 2015 11: 39 New
            +1
            Quote: Rumata
            Mormons and others, are they worse than Orthodoxy?

            No worse, they are just alien in spirit to the Russian people. just like Orthodoxy is alien to Judaism.
            1. Rumata
              Rumata 24 November 2015 12: 13 New
              -1
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              No worse, they are just alien in spirit to the Russian people. just like Orthodoxy is alien to Judaism.

              The spirit of the Russian people is an abstract concept that does not carry or explain anything, but even if we assume that it is, what about the rest of the country's population? Or, suddenly, was a Russian born with the wrong spirit, who is closer to Marmont?
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 24 November 2015 12: 44 New
                +3
                Quote: Rumata
                Or, suddenly, was a Russian born with the wrong spirit, who is closer to Marmont?

                Do you have many Orthodox Jews? wink It is better to ask how the main population would react to such?
                1. vgorlekost
                  vgorlekost 24 November 2015 16: 26 New
                  -2
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  Do you have many Orthodox Jews? It is better to ask how the main population would react to such?

                  Orthodoxy is not a religion at all, if anything ... These are supposedly Christians who "praise correctly". Accordingly, the rest are wrong, right? The main population of the planet goes and always went to death, because it was said - "Enter by the narrow gates; because the gates are wide and the path leading to destruction is wide, and many go by them; because the gates are narrow and the path leading to life is narrow, and few find them".
                  Why is Orthodoxy more suitable for the Russian spirit? In all honesty, Ingvar 72- you know the SINCERE Orthodox believers who keep the commandments and teachings of Christ, whose image they worship, despite the direct prohibition existing in the Bible. There are such? What does the Orthodox Church demand from people and what does it teach? Were you in the church yourself? AND....? Or maybe closer to the Russian spirit because he overestimated in Shrovetide, bukhanul and in the ice-hole, and "grace" ....... And slaughtered until next year. And to fulfill what Christ teaches, and in a nightmare you won't dream: - "how to live then, boredom and boredom alone" - after all, this is how everything is, and EVERYONE knows this and considers it normal and self-evident, they say we have a tradition such. This is a tradition, but what does CHRISTIANITY have to do with it, i.e. CHRIST'S TEACHING?
      2. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 24 November 2015 11: 27 New
        +1
        Quote: Rumata
        Two currents of one sect

        So Christianity almost 30 years after the crucifixion of Christ was considered only one of the sects in the framework of Judaism. request
        1. Rumata
          Rumata 24 November 2015 12: 17 New
          0
          Well, yes, Jesus was a circumcised Jew, who was addressed as a rabbi or slave and his sermons, in the beginning, he led in the territory of synagogues and was executed as a sectarian. Judaism itself is the evolution of religions before it, like the Slavic paganism and the Vedas that were so beloved by many here, who were relatively young compared to which they went from nostratic pantheism. And it looks something like this
  • xorgi
    xorgi 24 November 2015 08: 26 New
    +5
    I agree with the article. BUT, quote: "Apparently, the representatives of the SC somewhat forget about the decisions of the court of the Khanty-Mansiysk Autonomous Okrug (2010) and the Moscow Regional Court (2012), which, in fact, have become a precedent."
    Dear Author, we do not have the United States or England, we have no case law. According to you, the above courts have banned some literature of a particular author, and not a specific church. You confuse readers.
  • vgorlekost
    vgorlekost 24 November 2015 08: 34 New
    -6
    Quote: Darkness
    ROC slowly removes competitors)))

    And so it is. And Scientologists, including their competitors, the loot then goes to the side.
  • Neophyte
    Neophyte 24 November 2015 08: 49 New
    +5
    One of the many reasons for the zombie population of Ukraine is a sect that promises participants freebies in all cases of life!
  • vgorlekost
    vgorlekost 24 November 2015 08: 56 New
    -5
    People - you decide who you are and what you believe in! Yesterday, in the topic, "Ukraine still made me talk about itself" - you joked about the Scripture in every possible way, with the filing of inkass_98 and supported by the plus signs of the mock. And today, with his submission, are you playing the believers out of yourself, while insulting Christians? And consider yourself sane and adequate?
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  • Yun Klob
    Yun Klob 24 November 2015 09: 02 New
    +1
    A church that has gone underground will become harmless and safer, as proved by Ancient Rome.
  • P. Yaroslav
    P. Yaroslav 24 November 2015 09: 04 New
    +3
    Totalitarian-destructive cults pose a very serious danger on a national scale. About
    we do not have the USA or England, we have no case law
    Let me argue: not so long ago, a law on the activities of NGOs (Non-Profit Organizations) was adopted, this is already an aid in the fight against sects. Any such organization is a structure aimed at the selection of money. Do not forget about the origin of the lion's share of the "Gurus" and their cults - America and others like them. And against the background of the ongoing information war, for amers this is a wonderful opportunity to conduct subversive activities on the territory of our country. What they are doing. There are already cards in the hands of the special services. This is a threat and the threat must be responded to accordingly. Scientologists, the Moon sect, Jehovah's Witnesses, Seventh-day Adventists, the Pentecostal Church ... this is only part of the list of totalitarian-destructive cults that threaten the mental and material health of Russians.
    1. vgorlekost
      vgorlekost 24 November 2015 09: 15 New
      -8
      Quote: P. Yaroslav
      Scientologists, Moon sect, Jehovah's Witnesses, Seventh-day Adventists, Pentecostal Church .. this is only part of the list of totalitarian-destructive cults that threaten the mental and material health of Russians.

      I mean, those who killed the people in the subway with gases and those who serve God, in accordance with their understanding of the Bible, are one and the same thing? Are you adequate at all? Think about what you write?
      Are you aware that for the Orthodox the Bible, the God-inspired Book, is not an authority at all? Before blinking the next "wisdom" - study this most serious issue and do not mislead people !!!!!!!!
      1. P. Yaroslav
        P. Yaroslav 24 November 2015 09: 50 New
        +4
        I studied religious studies, that's why I write. He led organizations recognized as totalitarian destructive cults. Serve God in accordance with your understanding speak? Prohibiting blood transfusions, because faith does not command, and children die, so serve? This is about the Witnesses. Or do they earn for the leader's welfare by literally zombifying people (the Moon sect, Pentecostals)? By the way, which of them do you relate to that so zealously defended "those who understand the Bible in their own way" ?! Your
        for Orthodox, the Bible — the Inspired Book — is not authority at all
        Very familiar. And yes, I do not agree with this. Studying sects, he closely communicated and collaborated with the Orthodox clergy, and their parishioners. And among them, though not often, there are truly believers, and not people who earn on faith, people.
        this serious question
        seriously studied. After the girl was in the sect. I have seen a lot of the consequences of "studying the Bible" and "understanding the Bible in their own way," when people spit and do not speak coherently. When psychiatric disorders are incurable in 70% of cases. When an adept who has not collected the daily contribution is locked under a cold shower for 12 hours. I didn't just study it. I saw it with my own eyes.
        1. vgorlekost
          vgorlekost 24 November 2015 10: 24 New
          0
          You are disingenuous, about the fact that you studied this issue! Does the Orthodox Church live according to Holy Scripture? Have you read the Bible at all? Are you - yourself - personally? Is this Book an authority or clergy for you? It is said in the Bible - "and yes, check the angel, with the help of the Scriptures, from God or from the devil" - an unambiguous indication! What have you tested with the Scriptures? And if what you said is YOUR personal opinion based on YOUR personal preferences, I don’t argue with that, master-master. This is something else entirely, no?
          And your experience of walking in sects is not an argument at all.
          1. P. Yaroslav
            P. Yaroslav 24 November 2015 11: 31 New
            +4
            The fact is that for me there is no absolute authority. There is respect. I respect the Bible, the Qur'an, and the Vedas equally. By the way, they have a lot in common. And he studied religion starting from paganism. I respect Buddhists and Orthodox Christians, Muslims and Catholics alike. And the clergy for me are, first of all, people, among whom there are worthy of respect, but there are not so many. And this applies equally to all religions. But to blame Orthodoxy as a whole because of individual representatives bathing in luxury at the expense of parishioners is the same as denigrating the whole nation because of the crimes of individual citizens. And you do just that, for example
            Do you know that for the Orthodox Bible, the Inspired Book is not authority at all
            . And to this I answered you that not all of them are.
        2. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 24 November 2015 11: 33 New
          +1
          Quote: P. Yaroslav
          I studied religion, that's why I write.

          Read the works of I.S. Sventsitsky? (Early Christianity: Pages of History)
          1. P. Yaroslav
            P. Yaroslav 24 November 2015 11: 39 New
            +1
            No, I didn’t read it, but I will definitely correct this omission. Thank.
      2. Down House
        Down House 24 November 2015 10: 08 New
        +1
        Quote: vgorlekost
        I mean, those who killed the gases in the subway and those who serve God

        And who is this very god (are you a witness?) And why did you surrender to him in service and how can he be served ?!
        Tell us all fellow
        1. vgorlekost
          vgorlekost 24 November 2015 10: 29 New
          0
          [/ Quote]
          And who is this very god (are you a witness?) And why did you surrender to him in service and how can he be served ?!
          Tell us all fellow[/ quote] I AM NOT CONSIDERED IN ANY RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATION AND NEVER CONSTITUTED! Is it intelligible?
          My God is the one who created us, who gave us the Bible and sent His Son Jesus, so that He would show us the way to salvation.
          And your god what?
          1. Down House
            Down House 24 November 2015 11: 38 New
            +1
            Quote: vgorlekost
            My God is the one who created us

            When and how?
            And why do physicists-biologists-genetics disagree with this?
            Look - you have a ruble, and I have a million, who has more money?
            Look - you have one book, I have thousands - who has more knowledge? fellow
            Quote: vgorlekost
            who gave us the bible

            So different people wrote the Bible, different people translated, which one do you have? fellow
            Quote: vgorlekost
            sent his son Jesus to show us the way to salvation

            Where do you know that this is "his son"? Who said where is the evidence ?!
            And how about the "progress" with salvation over the past 2000 years - how many were saved ?!
            And from what do you save yourself by the way ?! laughing
    2. xorgi
      xorgi 24 November 2015 10: 04 New
      +1
      P. Yaroslav, you did not understand, I was talking about a specific quote, naturally we have certain laws on which the judicial and executive bodies rely. Under case law, a specific court decision is sufficient, but we need a law.
      1. P. Yaroslav
        P. Yaroslav 24 November 2015 10: 07 New
        +1
        I admit a mistake, thanks for the clarification.
  • Turkir
    Turkir 24 November 2015 09: 36 New
    +3
    Mormons also entered Russia.
    But, the question is - why so many of these ... came to the opening of the Scientology Church? See photo.
    And are these Russian people? Beckon ruble, lure kalach? This is a sad fact.
    1. P. Yaroslav
      P. Yaroslav 24 November 2015 10: 03 New
      +4
      Beckon not ruble. Beckon with a beautiful word. By the way, most of the people affected by this kind of sect are people with higher education. People are promised sympathy, friendship, understanding. And demonstrate it. This is bought. And then late ..
      1. Down House
        Down House 24 November 2015 11: 47 New
        +2
        Quote: P. Yaroslav
        By the way, most of the people affected by this kind of sect are people with higher education.

        Mostly musical, well, or theatrical - in general, obviously not nuclear physicists.
  • Taygerus
    Taygerus 24 November 2015 09: 45 New
    +3
    Yes, it’s necessary to drive these Satanists from Russia with a filthy broom and kicks, even in America and Europe, they brains people
  • Kim Klimov
    Kim Klimov 24 November 2015 09: 58 New
    +7
    To drive away all this speculative-parasitic rabble - Adventists, Scientists, Mormonists and other vampiric pseudo-religious evil spirits, sucking people's mental strength and health.
  • Zomanus
    Zomanus 24 November 2015 10: 19 New
    +5
    You need to push such.
    Prohibit being called a church,
    declare an NPO with all that it implies.
    I wonder why this infection, coupled with
    Witnesses were not pressed to the nail.
    To declare an NGO, and there it is already under the law to act.
  • Rumata
    Rumata 24 November 2015 10: 24 New
    +5
    People have paranoia, what special services? Scientologists are a sect, in the United States they spent many years and hundreds of millions of dollars getting religion status. During the process itself, everything was kept in the balance, and could have turned differently. Many in the U.S. consider Scientologists to be recognized as religion a real tragedy.
    Regarding the secret services, the loudest spy scandal within the United States was associated with Scientolag, they stole secret documents, collected dirt on judges and politicians, put bugs in people's homes and at work, and got into the affairs of Congress. They have infiltrated 136 US agencies, 5000 "hidden" agents. Little is written about this in Wikipedia, who are interested in reading about Operation Snow White

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Snow_White
    or here is another example
    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9E%D0%BF%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8F_%
    C2%AB%D0%A3%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B4%C2%BB
    Because of this, Ron Hubbart escaped into neutral waters, and Scientologists were never forgiven for this. The only way out was to achieve the status of a religious organization, and they put all their resources into it, and they had billions of dollars of money.

    Scientology in the United States is dying fast now, they have money, but a few tens of thousands remain. If banned in Russia, it will be just fine
  • 0255
    0255 24 November 2015 11: 20 New
    0
    The whole essence of Western sects
    1. Rumata
      Rumata 24 November 2015 12: 26 New
      +4
      Quote: 0255
      The whole essence of Western sects

      This is the essence of all religions. The patriarch’s summer cottage in the Black Sea is estimated at several HUNDREDs of millions of dollars, and the yacht is half a euro lama.
  • Belousov
    Belousov 24 November 2015 11: 52 New
    0
    It is necessary to drive all these sects with a filthy broom. They do nothing but pump money. Moreover, they are actual units of very unfriendly special services. So they are definitely in the neck, and especially sympathetic to recommend the wind in the back and kick a little lower for speed.
  • faser
    faser 24 November 2015 12: 00 New
    +1
    When we in Kazakhstan will take up them ...
  • SPARKS
    SPARKS 24 November 2015 12: 50 New
    +1
    It turns out that many of the famous Hollywood actors are adherents of this sect. The same vomit-marmalade Tom Cruise said that everyone who does not accept Scientology are second-class people.
    1. Down House
      Down House 24 November 2015 13: 43 New
      0
      Quote: SPARKS
      all who do not accept Scientology are second-class people.

      Well, this is the essence of any sectarianism - you are stupid and lazy, you are angry and unloved, you ended up in this world, but this is only because you are really the most-most-smart (you can continue to infinity !) And all around you are simply jealous, but God will PUNISH them, but first we (or rather the omnipotent God) need your money, you just can not give it to us, because we are the only ones who understand you and who need you! fellow
  • MAD_SERGANT
    MAD_SERGANT 24 November 2015 15: 22 New
    -1
    All of these in uranium mines, and the obstinate ON THE COLL !!!!! Or it’s better to look at the organs, and you’ll look at the turn on the organs in children.
    1. vgorlekost
      vgorlekost 24 November 2015 15: 26 New
      -1
      In and fascists showed up. What faith will you be?
  • Burmistr
    Burmistr 24 November 2015 16: 13 New
    0
    it was high time to close as soon as the nose stuck here
  • a housewife
    a housewife 24 November 2015 16: 58 New
    0
    It's boring to talk about this with you. I wish everyone, regardless of your beliefs - go into the room, close the door behind you, gather your spirit, imagine the Creator, yes, atheists too, you have enough imagination, think about what he REALLY wants from people. Then this: what can he want specifically from you! Does not work? Imagine yourself in the place of the Creator - how would you like to see people? Only honestly. And now also honestly - are you like that yourself? Which one then? That will be the truth. Nobody will deceive himself. Only insane. But for some reason, few people will dare. And whoever decides is not recognized. Then stand before God, not in a church, not in a meeting, not in a mosque, not in front of a sacred oak.
    1. Rumata
      Rumata 24 November 2015 17: 58 New
      +3
      Judging by his books, he wants very strange things from me. I can’t imagine myself in his place, I can’t wait 13 billion years in the vast universe until people appear, look at their development for several hundred thousand years and then only worry about who is sleeping with whom, what is eating and what is dressed ...
  • Letterksi
    Letterksi 24 November 2015 17: 31 New
    0
    Thank God!
  • Lexeus
    Lexeus 24 November 2015 17: 42 New
    +2
    Tell me why in Russia in general the existence of any sects of foreign production (Mormons, Baptists, etc.) and even our homegrown (like Kuzina) is possible smile ) Probably because they unfasten all the "tithe" to local authorities ...........
  • tuareg56
    tuareg56 24 November 2015 18: 11 New
    0
    But what about Kinder Surprise (Israel), is it still managing a peaceful atom?
  • Kibl
    Kibl 24 November 2015 18: 33 New
    0
    Well, now Tom Cruise and Travolta must be drawn to Russia, ah! Ah! Actually, believing in God is a purely personal matter, as the church is the only company for me that is not in danger of default or bankruptcy. Every year, you need to give an economic incentive to financial institutions of all kinds of concessions, guys cut loot from the air, Comrade Bender nervously smokes a cigarette in a kiosk!
  • Sultan Babai
    Sultan Babai 24 November 2015 23: 05 New
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    As a lawyer, I will say that it is very easy to recognize certain materials as extremist. An expert opinion is prepared, and then in court the prosecutor or another representative of the authorities can present it (the conclusion) as evidence in a simple way and the court will agree with it. At the same time, a repeated examination is almost unrealistic. In such a simple way, some article from the Koran was recently declared extremist. Thank God, 15 million Muslims were not disturbed in our country and this court decision was quickly canceled. In general, I do not defend anyone, but I do not blame anyone either, I will say only one thing: you must always think with your own head. For example, I am sure none of the members of the forum will ever call Mathematics a bad and terrible science or mathematicians in the math circle "sectarian" without having read a single work on mathematics. Therefore, I believe that one cannot blame everyone for all sins without exception. I'm sure none of us have read a single material from Scientology or from any other religion, to which he somehow treats with distrust or with a negative. Where does this negative come from. You cannot drive everyone under one size fits all, we are not fascists and now is not 1933. In general, religion is very intimate and you cannot hate someone, just because he is different. I have convictions and believe that homosexuality and other sexual perversions are deviations from rational behavior, as well as prostitution, drug addiction, hunger, wars, these are all things of the same order. Probably there is enough evil in our suffering Motherland. Stop looking for contradictions, you need to look for something common to us all, and chewing vomit about various religions in society should probably stop. As a lawyer, I dug about Scientology and was surprised that the guys were kind: they won the 40-year war with the United States and they were still recognized there as a religion, in Germany, too, in Great Britain (by the way, they wrote about this in VO), in Australia they won the processes and they were recognized there as a religion ... And damn it, I would not put on our justice in this situation, by the way they won two courts in the European Court of Human Rights (in the legal system Garant are published).
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    iAi 25 November 2015 10: 20 New
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    The ROC MP removes competitors. The reason is the struggle for power. And Scientologists, as a younger direction, taking into account the achievements of modern psychology, are more powerful fighters than traditional religions (even compared to Muslims).

    Any belief system can be called religion.

    Does modern man have the right to come up with religion ?!
    1. vgorlekost
      vgorlekost 25 November 2015 10: 44 New
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      Quote: iAi
      Does modern man have the right to come up with religion ?!

      Atheism was invented ....
      Any person has the right, because created with free will. Only, basically, he uses his right to lie and evil, for himself and everyone and everything around him ....
      1. Down House
        Down House 25 November 2015 13: 40 New
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        Quote: vgorlekost
        Atheism was invented

        Atheism is not a religion.
        Atheism is an objective picture of the world, religion is its subjective understanding.
        1. vgorlekost
          vgorlekost 25 November 2015 16: 05 New
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          Atheism is a FAITH that there is no God, in short ...)))
          1. Down House
            Down House 25 November 2015 16: 56 New
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            Quote: vgorlekost
            Atheism is the belief that there is no God, in short

            You cannot believe that there is no one whose existence has not been proved!
            1. vgorlekost
              vgorlekost 25 November 2015 18: 12 New
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              Quote: Down House
              You cannot believe that there is no one whose existence has not been proved!

              )))))) Read what he wrote, only slowly and thoughtfully!
              1. vgorlekost
                vgorlekost 25 November 2015 18: 44 New
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                By the way, the Bible - about quantum mechanics - there are so many things ... But do not ask for evidence on a silver platter. If you are REALLY interested in this vital knowledge, you will find and comprehend everything yourself. And if you just fuss about it, my words are a chatter for you.
                Let me take my leave. )))
                1. Down House
                  Down House 25 November 2015 23: 31 New
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                  Quote: vgorlekost
                  By the way, the Bible - about quantum mechanics - there are so many things

                  Give proofs, where is it "in the Bible" they write about quantum mechanics ?!
                  Quote: vgorlekost
                  chatter for you.

                  Not just for me fellow
          2. Rumata
            Rumata 25 November 2015 17: 24 New
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            Quote: vgorlekost
            Atheism is a FAITH that there is no God, in short ...)))

            What kind of nonsense? Then bald is the color of hair, abstinence is a pose in sex, not collecting stamps is a hobby, not playing tennis is a sport, silence is noise, and nakedness is a costume. Then not faith in Santa Claus, lepricons, brownies and mermaids - this is ... faith wassat
            1. vgorlekost
              vgorlekost 25 November 2015 18: 32 New
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              What nonsense?


              And if deployed, it is a denial of the existence of God! And what is your denial of God based on? Only on YOUR PERSONAL DESIRE that He would be. From your unwillingness, your FAITH also flows that He is not.
              After all, there is NO evidence of the non-existence of God. If you do not agree, the proof is in the studio. ) Theoretically, such a proof can be obtained only by explaining absolutely ALL secrets and finding ALL laws of the universe, man, life and mind, without "some kind of Creator."
              You atheism is based on the DENIES of the mass of evidence and evidence of the existence of God, just .... And do you really think this is a reasonable approach?
              And, in the end, to whom does any atheist cry out, even deep down, in the hardest moments of his life? And whatever you say in public, but I absolutely know that the feeling of the Almighty is in each of you and you feel it .....))) The desire and stubborn desire to drown out this feeling in yourself is atheism.
              1. Rumata
                Rumata 25 November 2015 19: 02 New
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                Quote: vgorlekost
                And if deployed, it is a denial of the existence of God! And what is your denial of God based on? Only on YOUR PERSONAL DESIRE that He would be. From your unwillingness, your FAITH also flows that He is not.

                Nonsense. I do not believe in the fact that Putin is a reptiloid from Alpha Centauri. Not because I don’t want him to be a reptiloid, desires do not matter here. I do not believe this because there is no evidence that he is a reptiloid, or the twin albino of Barack Obama, separated in childhood or a program in the Matrix. I affirm that. for example, evolution exists, I can give hundreds of evidence. For example, you claim that Putin is a reptiloid, where is the evidence? Should I believe you just like that? In this case, we must believe absolutely everything. Simple logic, the one who claims something, must provide evidence, I do not know a single one, and therefore I do not believe in God that there is atheism. By the way, atheism is not a denial of the existence of God, but a denial of faith in God, if you prove the existence of God in any way that does not threaten blind faith, atheists will quickly become religious.
                Quote: vgorlekost
                After all, there is NO evidence of God's non-existence. If you do not agree, evidence in the studio. )

                Again, you have problems with formal logic. It is impossible to prove a negative statement. I can’t prove that on the moon of the third planet Sirius, there are NO pink ponies. If I begin to claim that they are, I must provide evidence. Read about Russell's Kettle, it will become clear why your arguments are not true. You cannot prove that there is no god, but if you claim that he is, prove it.
                Quote: vgorlekost
                You atheism is based on the DENIES of the mass of evidence and evidence of the existence of God, just .... And do you really think this is a reasonable approach?

                What evidence? For instance? I don’t know a single one. But I know proven scientific theories that contradict the Bible, the Qur'an, Bhagavad Gita and others
                Quote: vgorlekost
                And, in the end, to whom does any atheist cry out, even deep down, in the hardest moments of his life? And whatever you say in public, but I absolutely know that the feeling of the Almighty is in each of you and you feel it

                For me, the chance of the existence of God, Santa Claus, lepricons and fairies is about the same, did not appeal to any of them. Although I was lying, in childhood I talked with Santa Claus and mentally sent him requests for gifts, which, by the way, believers all over the planet are doing. God is Santa Claus for adults

                PS

                At the moment, on Earth, there are 4200 religious movements. According to the most conservative estimates, in the entire history of mankind, there were several TENS OF MILLION deities. you claim that it is your god that exists and the real one, to me what’s so? You are an atheist in relation to 4199 religions, I went one further. Do not agree? Evidence in the studio
                1. Down House
                  Down House 25 November 2015 23: 36 New
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                  Quote: Rumata
                  Evidence in the studio

                  His proof is "By the way, in the Bible - about quantum mechanics - there are so many things ... But don't ask for proof on a silver platter" laughing
                  It makes no sense to take it to logic, its amount of knowledge about the world around it is so low that its logic was trivial to form from — it is physically impossible to build a constructive dialogue with the individual, knowledge of which topic is being discussed with which is discussed.
                  1. vgorlekost
                    vgorlekost 26 November 2015 05: 32 New
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                    Quote: Down House
                    His proof is "By the way, in the Bible - about quantum mechanics, there are so many things ... But don't ask for proof on a silver platter" It is pointless to take him into logic, his volume of knowledge about the world around him is so low that his logic had nothing to form from - it is physically impossible to build a constructive dialogue with an individual whose knowledge of the topic under discussion differs by orders of magnitude.

                    I do not want to offend anyone ... But from communication with you, young man, I concluded that you have picked up the "tops" - but, yes, you do not have the slightest correct understanding and knowledge. But you undertake to argue and teach about such complex sciences as quantum mechanics, and in such fundamental principles as the existence of the Creator - ABSOLUTELY not understanding either one or the other, but about LOGIC, and it makes no sense to talk about it, since understanding about it is limited by one name.
                    Extended Everett Concept - (RCE) - my last tip to you, try to understand if you can ...
                    In the end, your life is your destiny, and you are responsible for it. I suggested just thinking. Do not splash out skepticism - it is really based on nothing, but just think and UNBREADY to look at everything.
                2. vgorlekost
                  vgorlekost 26 November 2015 05: 58 New
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                  ))) Oh, how much energy, it would still be in the right direction. So much has been written, again about secondary things, and most importantly they chatted ...) Why is this "eloquence", whom and what do you want to convince? If me - then I KNOW ONLY - I do not believe, but I know - about the existence of Jehovah. You convince yourself, contrary to the same laws of logic, about which you write the same. If a person desires to wander in darkness, what can be changed?
                  I will say only one more thing-
                  Quote: Rumata
                  I affirm that. for example, evolution exists, I can give hundreds of evidence.
                  - Evidence of evolution DOES NOT EXIST! The main evidence of the theory of evolution, without which it is false, but even at the direction of Darwin himself, is TRANSITIONAL TYPES !!!
                  And if you had bothered to learn about the science of paleontology, you would have slightly studied the paleontological chronicle, would have applied logic to this, and the creation of all life forms on Earth would have become obvious. Only yourself, with an open mind, if you can, without "pumping" your brain by evolutionary scientists.
                  But why do you need it? You already have the "truth". For the time being, for the time being ...)
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    Rumata 26 November 2015 11: 03 New
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    Quote: vgorlekost
    - Evidence of evolution DOES NOT EXIST! The main evidence of the theory of evolution, without which it is false, but even at the direction of Darwin himself, is TRANSITIONAL TYPES !!!
    And if you had bothered to learn about the science of paleontology, you would have slightly studied the paleontological chronicle, would have applied logic to this, and the creation of all life forms on Earth would have become obvious. Only yourself, with an open mind, if you can, without "pumping" your brain by evolutionary scientists.
    But why do you need it? You already have the "truth". For the time being, for the time being ...)

    Above, I already poked my nose into many mistakes of your reasoning, you waved it off and turned the arrows. Where is the evidence then? What can I argue with you? Complete illiteracy in the matter, not logical statements, confusion and tautology.
    I am a chemist who is engaged in drugs, but in the past I participated in projects related to experimental evolution, studied genetics intensively. Do not tell me about evidence of evolution. What the hell is the main evidence of this transitional form? What the hell are these transitional forms from? What about genetic evidence? Morphological? Paleontological? I wrote that I can bring HUNDREDS of evidence. Evolution is the most proven theory in modern science. Genetics alone is enough to call evolution a scientific fact.
    Your last paragraph clearly showed that your knowledge remained at the school level, and did not advance further. I do not spend time on such dense obscurantists, it makes no sense. Because retire, good luck.
    Z.Y
    For the rest, I’ll leave a link here to Markov, who briefly reviews the evidence for evolution.
    http://evolbiol.ru/evidence.htm
    about transitional forms, for example, there is enough
    1. vgorlekost
      vgorlekost 26 November 2015 15: 42 New
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      You are angry? What for?
      The fact that you are, in a sense, a professional in this field, like the author of the book you quoted, is just a minus, in my eyes, just like you are an interested person. And for the author and other scientists, this is bread. They came up with all this and they live off of it. I briefly ran through several sections, and even there I found confirmation of my understanding of fundamental views. And the artfully woven web of lies is clearly visible, in every letter and comma ... Let's not forget about such a famous and well-known person whose name is SATAN! A liar and slanderer, whose goal is to lead a person away from God, with the help of lies, to destroy his immortal soul! The book you have indicated and performs this task is for those who are NOT ABLE to reflect. I repeat, I can clearly see the deceit of this book. (You can begin to make fun of the level of my mind), I am writing this comment, like many before, not for you wandering in the dark, but for someone who reads our discussion all of a sudden, and who needs to see not only a lie that can destroy him, but also a different look ...
      By the way, even there it says: - "Darwin himself (unlike modern science) admitted the possibility of the creation of life by God, as can be seen from the final phrase of his book" On the Origin of Species ": - that YOU PERSONALLY denied in one of your comments - DARWIN'S FAITH In GOD! Have you forgotten what you read or did not read carefully?
      And the funniest thing about all this is that you will inevitably and inevitably find out, one way or another, that our God created us and the entire universe, with all its contents, this is inevitable and does not depend on your views and desires. But it depends only on you personally, whether you recognize Him as a loving and merciful, all-forgiving Our Father or as a Just Judge who will reward you in all your affairs.
      Life always gives you a choice - I sincerely wish you to make it right. And on time.