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Admiral V.F. Trituts

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Admiral V.F. Trituts



Vladimir Filippovich Tributs stood at the origins of the creation of the Soviet Navy, with which he went from sailor to admiral, in the difficult years of World War II he commanded the Baltic fleet. The name of Admiral Tributs today is proudly carried by a large anti-submarine ship of project 1155 of the Pacific Fleet of Russia.

He was born on July 15 1900 in Petersburg. His grandfather, in the past a serf peasant of the Minsk province, went with his family to the capital from a poor village, where, due to the whim of a landowner, more than half of its inhabitants were called the fancy name of Tributs. But Peter did not bring wealth. When young Vladimir finished three classes of elementary school, his parents hardly collected money and sent him to study at the Petrovsk four-year school. Having lived there for three years, Tributs enrolled in the state-owned Kosht ​​military-paramedic school, where the main advantage was free food and uniforms.



Tests passed examinations soon after the revolution. In December 1917, Vladimir Filippovich was sent to a Petrograd hospital to serve as a junior medical assistant. In January 1918, Tributs volunteered for the Red Guard. He fought against the Germans near Narva, then served in the so-called flying squad of the revolutionary sailors of the Baltic. In the spring of 1918, the Warbler of Tributs fights in Astrakhan.

In the summer of 1919, it was decided to strengthen the defenses of the southern borders, to transfer part of the Baltic ships to the Caspian Sea. Vladimir Filippovich arrived at the destroyer “Active” under the command of I. Isakov. In the biography of a young naval sailor, lines appeared about participation in the battles for Baku, Makhachkala, and Enzeli. Later Tributsa was transferred to the gunboat "Lenin", whose crew elected Vladimir Filippovich to the Baku Soviet of Workers 'and Peasants' Deputies.

In the early twenties, Vladimir Filippovich studied at the naval school, after which (in 1926 year) he was promoted to platoon commander in the Baltic naval crew, where he served as commander of the main caliber on the battleship Paris Commune.



The service on this battleship became an important milestone in the life of Tributs. Outstanding ability and ability to work, craving for the knowledge of the naval cause determined his rapid promotion. In the spring of 1929, Tributs becomes the second mate of the ship's commander and senior watch supervisor. In the same year, the crew of the battleship fell the ordeal. Together with the cruiser “Profintern”, the Paris Commune made the transition from the Baltic Sea to the Black Sea. The ship was in a strong storm. Tributs commanded the upper command of the battleship. Waves rolled over the deck, tore off the property, which was firmly attached, and the battleship flooded from one side to another. However, the sailors managed to overcome the elements and bring serviceable ships to Sevastopol. The evaluation of the actions of Tributs in this campaign was reflected in an inscription engraved on a silver name plate handed to him by the Mauser: “To the stalwart defender of the proletarian revolution, Comm. Tributsu VF from the RVS of the USSR”.

Then there was a service on another battleship of the Red Fleet, the Marat, after which Tributs was appointed commander of the destroyer Yakov Sverdlov.

And in 1932, Vladimir Filippovich graduated from the Naval Academy. From this year began the rapid career of Tributs. In 1936, he breaks up with the ship, he is transferred to the head of the headquarters of the Baltic Fleet, and since February 1938, he has headed this headquarters. It takes a little over a year, and in April 1939 of the year Tributs is appointed commander of the Baltic Fleet.

The Great Patriotic War found him in Tallinn in this post. Tributs, as they said, "broke" the third war. The capital of Estonia has become the main base of the fleet. The first strike of the new war did not take the Balts by surprise. Commander N. Kuznetsov announced in advance for all fleets readiness number XXUMX.



Participants in the events of those days recalled how Tributs once, checking cases on batteries, drove into the field infirmary. The bushes on the grass lay and sat the wounded. When he approached, some tried to rise. “Sit, sit, comrades!” - the commander stopped them. Vladimir Filippovich called the nurse. The young Estonian spoke little Russian, but he realized that everyone had been waiting for the car to send people to the hospital for a long time. Tributs ordered his guards to release the truck for the wounded. “Comrade Commander, you cannot be without security,” the security commander protested. - Shoot in the city. If anything happens, they will give me up for the tribunal. ” But the commander repeated the order.

August 26, 1941. The headquarters ordered the evacuation of the base. The ships had to go almost two hundred miles along the bay, the coast of which the enemy captured. V. Tributsu was offered several options, but he chose the one that allowed saving more warships and vessels: to go along Cape Uminda behind minesweepers, fight off enemy coastal artillery with the guns of ships, from the enemy aviation hide behind fire and active maneuver.

The next day, the main forces of the fleet left the 16 watch from the raid. They walked in front of the convoys, amid explosions of shells and bombs. From the bridge of the Kirov light cruiser Tributs witnessed the death of the squadron Yakov Sverdlov, which he once commanded. The submarine that followed the Kirov exploded on a mine. Suddenly, a floating mine was noticed at the side of the cruiser. The ship stalled the course. The sailors began to gently pull her away. The sailor of the sailor, going down on board, cut off the steel mustache of the paravan. Floating death slowly passed along the hull.

The reports received by the commander were not pleased. Three destroyers and several transports were blown up during the three hours of the march. The road further in the approaching darkness threatened even greater losses due to the likely encounters with mines. However, the enemy aircraft prevented anchor.

The fate of hundreds and thousands of people and the fate of ships depended on V. Tributs at that moment. But he decided to stop, put them in order and help those who were out in the cold. Thanks to this rescue squad, many people were raised from the water. That August night, Vladimir Filippovich did not leave the bridge, At dawn the fleet moved on. And again diving planes, mines, the death of ships and people. Fortunately, the minefield soon passed. By evening, the main forces came to Kronstadt. The losses were considerable, but the commander managed to maintain the combat core of the fleet.

In Leningrad, Vladimir Filippovich was summoned by a new front commander, G. Zhukov. He ordered the ships to be delivered to the Neva and artillery to support the 42nd Army. Direct-fire anti-aircraft guns and shoot at tanks the enemy. Send half of the sailors to the trenches. The term Zhukov gave two days.

V. Tributs understood the current situation in the city on the Neva perfectly. Without a doubt, he was sorry to let the experts who had been trained for years to go on land. Some ships lost their combat capability without drivers, miners, electricians and other specialists. But the front urgently needed people. And the fleet commander carried out the order without challenging him either in the General Staff or in the Navy Commissar. Marines, ships, naval aviation beat the enemy, inflicted tangible blows on the entire front.

The Baltic Fleet was not blocked. Vladimir Filippovich expressed this idea for the first time in December 1942 of the year to Chief of Staff of the Fleet Y. Rallet and Chief of Political Directorate of the Baltic Fleet V. Lebedev. The next year, Tributs called ship repair and shipbuilding the main tasks. Fighting on the high seas was entrusted to submarines. All the rest - to provide submariners and solve other problems.

The Germans did not become masters in the Baltic. Did not become and on Ladoga. Vladimir Filippovich recalled how on October 22 1942 he, together with the commander of the Ladoga military flotilla V. Cherokov and the commander of the BF air force M. Samokhin, set off from Osinovets to the command post of the flotilla in Novaya Ladoga. They were told that enemy boats and landing barges were shelling Sukho Island. It is clear: having captured it, the enemy wants to cut the Ladoga artery, to deprive the Leningrad citizens of the only transport artery. Throughout the day, V. Tributs remained in Novaya Ladoga, by the forces of the flotilla and naval aviation he organized a repulse to the enemy. The road of life continued to operate.



In the late autumn of 1943, the commander of the Leningrad Front, L. Govorov, set the task of the Baltic Fleet: to transfer the I. Fedyuninsky army, with all its equipment, to the Oranienbaum bridgehead. This required secrecy and urgency. Only at their expense was half the task already implemented.

Three days later, VF Tributs and a member of the military council N. Smirnov traveled to Kronstadt to determine how best to transport troops to shallow fairways with a minimum of landing craft, given that the enemy would fire at the loading and unloading sites. After a short meeting, it was decided to carry out the operation at night, with a delay in the ice at dawn, to use smoke, to keep artillery and aircraft in a state of readiness.

On the morning of January 14, 1944, Vladimir Filippovich, being at the observation post of the naval battery, on the front line of defense, saw through binoculars how enemy walls and bunkers were blown into the air from our crushing fire. For more than an hour, a fiery tornado raged over the bridgehead of the upcoming breakthrough. When he died, infantry and tanks entered the scene. So with the help of artillery ships and forts, operations of the front began to rid the city of Lenin from the siege. For a month and a half of 1944, the Red Army troops, with the support of the Baltic Fleet, advanced by 150-300 km, completely blockading Leningrad. When Tallinn was left in 1941, the torpedo boats left the quays last. The first they returned. 23 September arrived here the commander of the fleet to organize the landing of troops on Moonsund Islands. A painstakingly designed operation allowed them to be released in 20 days. The Baltic Fleet began to operate throughout the theater.



After mastering of Koenigsberg, V. Tributs proposed to take the fortress Pillau with a swift blow in order to prevent the retreating enemy from destroying the port. Two landings, the western and the eastern, landed on the Frische-Nerung spit, defeated the enemy grouping with counter-actions.

For Vladimir Filippovich, the war continued after the victory. For two years he led mine destruction operations. In essence, it was a kind of local fights. Days and nights minesweepers, other ships of the fleet found and destroyed bottom and anchor, contact and non-contact acoustic and magnetic mines. But the work on the purification of the waters of the Baltic Tribitsu could not be completed. In 1947, he is dispatched as deputy to the naval forces of the commander-in-chief of the Far Eastern forces.



In subsequent years, the admiral led the Hydrographic Directorate of the Naval Forces, was head of the department and faculty of the General Staff Academy, worked in the Main Inspectorate of the USSR Ministry of Defense.

After retiring in February 1961, Tributs headed one of the sectors of the All-Union Institute of Scientific and Technical Information. He became a doctor historical sciences. He owns over 200 articles and books of memoirs. Vladimir Filippovich Tributs died on August 30, 1977.



Sources:
Mikhailovsky N. Admiral Tributs. M .: Politizdat, 1982. C. 18-24, 78-87.
Skritsky N. The flagships of the Victory. Tributs Vladimir Filippovich. M .: Tsentrpoligraf, 2012. C.208-212.
Makeev V. At sea there is no blockade // Sea collection. 1994. No.4. C. 78-81.
Lubchenkov Yu. N. 100 of the great commanders of the Second World War. M .: Veche, 2012. C.224-225.
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  1. ICT
    ICT 27 November 2015 07: 24
    +2
    "Admiral Tributs VF is a cultured, comprehensively developed, combat admiral. He possesses deep knowledge of naval affairs, rich command-practical and combat experience, as well as high training in the field of operational art and tactics of the highest formations of the naval forces. Good knows the service and work of the headquarters of the naval formations and holds a Ph.D. degree in naval sciences.

    Not stopping there, he continues to systematically work on himself, expanding his horizons in the field of military and political knowledge. Naval affairs loves and works with the soul, while taking a rich initiative. He carefully prepares himself and prepares his apparatus for carrying out work related to inspection, which is carried out at a high level. Able to organize and ensure the fulfillment of tasks. When conducting events, he is persistent, principled, objective and fair.

    In the same spirit educates his subordinates.

    Hardworking and efficient. Disciplined and skillfully maintains the discipline of subordinates. He builds his relationship with them on a business basis. He enjoys great prestige among subordinates and officers of the fleet. Takes an active part in party political work. "
  2. drop
    drop 27 November 2015 07: 47
    +5
    The main thing is V. Tributs retained the Baltic Fleet, although a large number of ships were lost during the transition from Tallinn to Kronstadt. V. Tributs allowed A.O. Shabalin in August 1941 year go to serve in the Northern Fleet. There, the legendary torpedo boat commander attacked fascist ships more than 140 times and destroyed more than 20000 thousand Germans. This is Twice Hero of the Soviet Union, which was raised by V. Tributs. After repelling the attacks of fascist aviation on the ships of the Baltic Fleet (23-25 of September 1941 of the year), V. Tributs personally visited the radar in the n. B. Izhora, examined the radar and presented all the personnel for the award. The Baltic fleet was saved and provided protection for Leningrad.
    From the memoirs of my father's colleague, under the leadership of V. Tributs, long-range railway artillery was created in Leningrad. Points adjustment by fire The commander created at the meat factory and the House of Soviets. As a result, strikes of this artillery at a distance of more than 30 km with an error of no more than 5 meters did not allow the Nazis to use tanks when attacking the city. My father died on December 27 of 1941 of the year on the Leningrad Front. Eternal memory to you sailors. I have the honor.
  3. jogin
    jogin 27 November 2015 07: 58
    -9
    Vladimir Filippovich Tributs stood at the origins of the creation of the Soviet Navy

    In the Stalinist USSR, and Tributs was an active officer during this period, there was no surface fleet. There was a large accumulation of some pelvis, united in the so-called. "fleets". Their combat value was in the stat area. errors. That was clearly shown during the Second World War.
    So it is not clear at what origins stood Tributs.
    By the way, surface ships were being built at that time. And not a little. But what !!!! Tears, not ships. It would be better if they didn’t build anything at all, maybe the people would live more satisfying.
    The losses turned out to be considerable, but the commander managed to save the combat core of the fleet

    Yes? And what then did this "preserved combat core of the fleet" do? In what month 1941. seized control of the Baltic Sea? No? Wasn't it? Then where did it go?
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 27 November 2015 14: 54
      +1
      Quote: jogin
      In the Stalinist USSR, and Tributs was an active officer during this period, there was no surface fleet. There was a large accumulation of some pelvis, united in the so-called. "fleets". Their combat value was in the stat area. errors. That was clearly shown during the Second World War.

      Wow, a statistical error - six months of defense of Sevastopol.
      Quote: jogin
      By the way, surface ships were being built at that time. And not a little. But what !!!! Tears, not ships. It would be better if they didn’t build anything at all, maybe the people would live more satisfying.

      And don’t talk. Why do we need these destroyers, watchdogs, minesweepers - we will distribute everything to pensioners and children.
      Quote: jogin
      Yes? And what then did this "preserved combat core of the fleet" do? In what month 1941. seized control of the Baltic Sea? No? Wasn't it? Then where did it go?

      It held Leningrad - this is the core.
      Because it suddenly turned out that the mighty Red Army for the entire USSR, from Kamchatka to Leningrad, has only 40 long-range guns. No matter how much the army asked for such weapons, the Soviet designers could not do anything transportable, except for the Br-2 (plus the Skoda helped with the semi-stationary Br-17).
      And the fleet had to engage in counter-battery struggle.
      1. jogin
        jogin 27 November 2015 15: 30
        -4
        Quote: Alexey RA
        Wow, a statistical error - six months of defense of Sevastopol.

        What, directly the fleet defended Sevastopol? Are you sure about that? I could be wrong, but as far as I remember, Sevastopol is a city. On the land. And the fleet is such a structure that operates in a slightly different habitat, on the water. Is the meaning of what is said clear?
        I recommend comparing the results of the Soviet and German evacuation from Sevastopol. By sea, which is precisely the area of ​​operation of the fleet. In these cases, the entire "combat value" of the Black Sea Fleet is really visible. Do not forget about its composition: 1 battleship, 5 cruisers, 3 leaders and 14 destroyers, 47 submarines, 2 brigades of torpedo boats, several divisions of minesweepers, patrol and anti-submarine boats. And also about the German "countermeasures" led by the terrible Romanian destroyer. Laughter, not strength. But they turned out to be much more effective than the Black Sea Fleet. Which lost 1 cruiser, 3 destroyer leaders, 11 destroyers, 32 submarines, 5 minelayers, 2 gunboats, 6 base minesweepers, 15 auxiliary minesweepers, 56 small submarine hunters, 23 patrol boats, 59 torpedo boats, 75 auxiliary boats , 13 air defense boats, 18 tenders, 57 landing bots. The Paris commune generally screwed him into Georgia, where the Germans could not get it. A very "flagship move". It says a lot.
        Quote: Alexey RA
        Why do we need these destroyers, watchdogs, minesweepers - we will distribute everything to pensioners and children.

        That's right. More benefit would be. And so, just drowned. Often with crews.
        Quote: Alexey RA
        It held Leningrad - this is the core

        It is very convenient to tell boys of primary school age. They will believe. Just at that age they believe everything. Even stories about Kashchei.
        Quote: Alexey RA
        And the fleet had to engage in counter-battery struggle.

        If you are not in the know, then the fleet is such special boats that go along the seas and solve important problems there. At different points. And very important, because they are expensive. Moreover, a part also goes under water. And torpedoes bullets from there.
        And counter-battery fight is a very exciting thing. And interesting. But the fleet is not needed for this. Excessive, in terms of "beautiful calm". Those. in the history of this fascinating struggle, the ships themselves, they turned out to be superfluous. Although they were very expensive.
        I tried to explain in a simple and accessible language.
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 27 November 2015 17: 09
          -1
          Quote: jogin
          What, directly the fleet defended Sevastopol? Are you sure about that? I could be wrong, but as far as I remember, Sevastopol is a city. On the land. And the fleet is such a structure that operates in a slightly different habitat, on the water. Is the meaning of what is said clear?

          I recommend that you familiarize yourself with the composition of the defense forces of Sevastopol during the first assault. And also with the number and armament of the formations of the Primorsky Army, which came to Sevastopol after the retreat.
          And to ask a question: where did the replenishment, artillery, ammunition and other things for defense come from in Sevastopol.
          Quote: jogin
          . Do not forget about its composition: 1 battleship, 5 cruisers, 3 leaders and 14 destroyers, 47 submarines, 2 brigade of torpedo boats, several divisions of minesweepers, patrol and anti-submarine boats.

          And is it nothing that this is the composition of the fleet at the beginning of the war? When the fleet had bases and several shipyards.

          In mid-1942, the Black Sea Fleet included 2 KRLs, 1 LD and 4-5 EMs. The rest either lay at the bottom, or were repaired for a long and tedious time after hikes to Sevastopol in inappropriate ports of the Caucasian coast. Alas, before the war no one could have foreseen that the army would retreat to Sevastopol and Rostov in six months, and even Novorossiysk would be in the zone of backlash.
          Quote: jogin
          And also about the German "countermeasures" led by the terrible Romanian destroyer.

          VIII air corps You decided not to mention. And right - you think, the best anti-shipgirls backlash.
          Quote: jogin
          If you are not in the know, then the fleet is such special boats that go along the seas and solve important problems there. At different points. And very important, because they are expensive. Moreover, a part also goes under water. And torpedoes bullets from there.

          It goes. And bullets. If the army keeps the enemy away from at least one of the bases.
          And when the army surrendered the coast in 3 months right up to the rear base of the fleet, the ships could only evacuate their cut-off bases and army units pressed to the coast. Desirable - at night and in the SMU. Since the Air Force fleet is also selected by the army. And the fleet itself is operatively subordinate to it.
          Quote: jogin
          And counter-battery fight is a very exciting thing. And interesting. But the fleet is not needed for this. Excessive, in terms of "beautiful calm". Those. in the history of this fascinating struggle, the ships themselves, they turned out to be superfluous. Although they were very expensive.

          You say so redundant, as if in addition to the fleet, someone else can engage in counter-battery combat.
          And there is no one else to do this. All the army has is an A-122 19-mm cannon with a range of less than 20 km. And it does not reach Voronny Gora, Gatchina, Tosno or Bezabotninsky District. The army was not concerned about long-range artillery.

          And the army came to Leningrad in such a state that it was necessary to remove 120-mm guns from the LK in order to give the infantry that was on the defensive at least some kind of artillery.
          1. jogin
            jogin 27 November 2015 18: 05
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            Quote: Alexey RA
            And to ask a question: where did the replenishment, artillery, ammunition and other things for defense come from in Sevastopol.

            What for? You probably did not understand where Sevastopol is. And what is a fleet.
            Quote: Alexey RA
            In mid-1942, the Black Sea Fleet included 2 KRLs, 1 LD and 4-5 EMs. The rest either lay at the bottom, or were repaired for a long and tedious time after hikes to Sevastopol in inappropriate ports of the Caucasian coast.

            Then take the trouble to list how many battleships and cruisers of the enemy the Black Sea Fleet had sent to the bottom by this time. Right, not a single one. Because there was only 1 Romanian destroyer. Correctly, this is called rout. Moreover, completely complete and unrequited.
            Therefore, once again I return to the issue of distributing bread to children and pensioners. Instead of the Black Sea Fleet.
            Quote: Alexey RA
            VIII air corps You decided not to mention.

            And not only him. I have not mentioned the Black Sea Fleet Air Force. And this is over 600 aircraft. Let me remind you that in the German air corps there were usually a little more than 500 aircraft.
            Quote: Alexey RA
            And when the army surrendered the coast in 3 months right up to the rear base of the fleet

            Quote: Alexey RA
            Since the Air Force fleet is also selected by the army. And the fleet itself is operatively subordinate to it.

            Yeah. The source of the trouble is determined. Switchmen appointed. But probably in these 3 months such a whopper, and even in the absence of a real opponent, has made a number of wonderful feats? Probably covered herself with unfading glory? Probably 100 days tirelessly smashed the enemy where and how could? Not at all. Sheer embarrassment and shame. Even writing about it is inconvenient.
            Quote: Alexey RA
            You say so is redundant, as if in addition to the fleet, someone else can engage in counter-battery combat.

            Yes, you understand in the end, the fact that the BF was engaged in counter-battery struggle is a shame. This is a failure. For this, ships themselves are not needed. It is enough to put the guns on the railway platform and engage in this masturbation. The cost of platforms is close to zero, in contrast to the cost of ships.
            Quote: Alexey RA
            And the army came to Leningrad in such a state that it was necessary to remove 120-mm guns from the LK in order to give the infantry that was on the defensive at least some kind of artillery.

            What battleships? There’s an epidemic of some kind of postscript and fraud. Some freaks rusty pelvis called battleships. A little earlier, the same cranks about the same self-propelled guns called squadron battleships. Those battleships, at least they did not send these buckets with nuts to the battle. At least used as art platforms. Thanks already. A squadron-armored thought to send. Tell about the result?
            The question is, what for was it built? What for was it to build something that under no circumstances would NEVER be useful? This was clear even at the time of the self-tope laying. After all, for this, the unfortunate population was ripped off by extortions. Some kind of a parade of idiocy on a naval theme. There is a good proverb, "you can't give a sh * t, don't torture * down." Why can't you listen to the voice of reason?
            1. Alexey RA
              Alexey RA 30 November 2015 11: 04
              +1
              Quote: jogin
              Then take the trouble to list how many battleships and cruisers of the enemy the Black Sea Fleet had sent to the bottom by this time. Right, not a single one. Because there was only 1 Romanian destroyer. Correctly, this is called rout. Moreover, completely complete and unrequited.

              It is very difficult to defeat an enemy who does not go to sea. smile
              By the way, there were 4 Romanian destroyers.
              Quote: jogin
              Therefore, once again I return to the issue of distributing bread to children and pensioners. Instead of the Black Sea Fleet.

              Go ahead and with the songs. Then we surrender Sevastopol in the fall of 1941 - and the freed up German forces with songs go to take Rostov. Because in the absence of a fleet the city has nothing to supply.
              Quote: jogin
              And not only him. I have not mentioned the Black Sea Fleet Air Force. And this is over 600 aircraft.

              On 22.06.41/136/346. There were 15 bombers and 1 fighters in the Black Sea Fleet Air Force. And among the latter were I-2bis. There were 1940 combat-ready crews. The reason is simple - there is a shortage of gasoline and training aircraft in the country (see Novikov’s speech at the XNUMX Meeting).
              At the beginning of July 1942, only 277 aircraft remained in the Black Sea Fleet Air Force: 23 bombers, 15 torpedoes, 54 attack aircraft (32 Il-2 + former fighters), 126 fighters, 59 seaplanes.
              Quote: jogin
              Probably 100 days tirelessly smashed the enemy where and how could? Not at all. Sheer embarrassment and shame. Even writing about it is inconvenient.

              The landing in Grigorievka, the evacuation of Odessa, the Kerch airborne landing - also a complete embarrassment and shame? When the army retreats (if not to say "flees"), it is difficult to expect victory after victory from the fleet.
              Quote: jogin
              It is enough to put the guns on the railway platform and engage in this masturbation. The cost of platforms is close to zero, in contrast to the cost of ships.

              As the experience of Leningrad showed, a cannon on a railway platform is capable of making no more than a dozen shots from one position. Then she urgently needs to curl up. For the enemy also conducts a counter-battery fight.
              Quote: jogin
              What battleships? There’s an epidemic of some kind of postscript and fraud. Some freaks rusty pelvis called battleships.

              The Italians and the French had the same rusty pelvis. ICH - also called battleships. smile
              Quote: jogin
              The question is different, what for built? What for was to build something that under no circumstances would NEVER be useful?

              All questions - to damned tsarist regime. For he built LK.

              And I repeat once again - the fleet was built for a completely different war. In which the army does not roll back 3 months before Sevastopol and Leningrad, surrendering naval bases and factories. And in which the fleet does not have to "on the knee" to repair a cruiser with a displacement of 7,5 kt in a 5000-ton dock, which is one third shorter than this cruiser.
              1. jogin
                jogin 30 November 2015 11: 56
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                Quote: Alexey RA
                It is very difficult to defeat an enemy who does not go to sea.

                Of course. Apparently the evacuation from the Crimea from April 12 to May 13, 44. Germans and Romanians produced using magic ether. Let me remind you that more than 59 thousand Romanians and almost 87 thousand Germans were evacuated. As well as the Slovak contingent and Soviet prisoners of war.
                Quote: Alexey RA
                Then we rent Sevastopol in the fall of 1941

                I do not see any dependence. In addition to your fantasies.
                Quote: Alexey RA
                There were 1 combat-ready crews. The reason is simple - there is a shortage of gasoline and training aircraft in the country (see Novikov’s speech at the 2 Meeting).

                But what for then do you need a fleet? If he is defenseless from the air? I return to the issue of distributing funds to pensioners and children.
                Quote: Alexey RA
                The landing in Grigoryevka, the evacuation of Odessa, the Kerch landing - also a complete embarrassment and shame?

                These are not the tasks of the fleet. This is bullshit for the mosquito forces. Throughout the war, the Black Sea Fleet had only one real combat mission, worthy of the level of the fleet, to prevent the evacuation of Germans and Romanians from Sevastopol. He completely failed her. I repeat the question, why did you need such a fleet?
                Quote: Alexey RA
                Then she urgently needs to curl up.

                Well, tell us how Marat collapsed.
                Quote: Alexey RA
                The Italians and the French had the same rusty pelvis

                And why do you have to line up with them? Let's stop lining to outsiders.
                Quote: Alexey RA
                to the damned tsarist regime. For he built LK.

                What, right after 1917? Are you confusing anything?
                Quote: Alexey RA
                And I repeat again - the fleet was built under a completely different war.

                The fleet is built within your means. Based on available resources and technologies. And proceeding from the "six" on which the country sits. Therefore, Russia (USSR) had no right to build large warships. Russia, because it categorically did not know how. And the USSR because it could do it even worse than Russia. As a result, the money was simply wasted. Burnt, in fact. And all because some stripe guys in childhood did not play enough of soldiers.
                I repeat once again, the rational destiny of the Russian Federation today (and the USSR before the war) is a powerful submarine fleet + mosquito fleet. All. The rest requires a thorough check for corruption (in the pre-war time, for wrecking).
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  4. parusnik
    parusnik 27 November 2015 08: 13
    +2
    The glorious path of the officer ...
    1. Alex1313
      Alex1313 27 November 2015 08: 41
      0
      Workaholic of war, plowed in full
  5. Walking
    Walking 27 November 2015 08: 17
    +7
    He's still a "Fleet Commander". The Tallinn passage cannot be credited.
    1. jogin
      jogin 27 November 2015 08: 34
      +4
      Quote: Hiking
      That one more "Fleet commander"

      We are waiting for an article about "the great naval commander October". Since we have waited for the Tributsa, we are also waiting for it, sir.
  6. bionik
    bionik 27 November 2015 08: 33
    +3
    As a child, I read a book by V.F. Tributs "The Balts Enter the Battle".
  7. qwert
    qwert 27 November 2015 09: 11
    +2
    Quote: jogin
    We are waiting for an article about "the great naval commander October". Since we have waited for the Tributsa, we are also waiting for it, sir.

    Well, let’s pour mud on Kuznetsov and all the other Stalinist naval commanders and military commanders.
    Whatever one may say, the Baltic sailors contributed to the victory. And it is not Tributs's fault that the Baltic Fleet was not as powerful during the war years as the American Pacific Fleet. But even in the 80s and 90s, Gorbachev's "hero-breakers" did not find low and small deeds in his biography. The sailors loved him. He was a decent man. What could have been done.
    And by the way, Nakhimov flooded the fleet in general. And nothing. From a strategic point of view, this was correct. Here, too, the Baltic surface fleet did not have the strength for active operations, therefore it was to help in the defense, and the Fritzes were to be "felt" by torpedo boats and submarines.
    1. jogin
      jogin 27 November 2015 09: 35
      +1
      Quote: qwert
      Well, let's pour dirt on Kuznetsov at the same time

      Have you noticed the dirt somewhere? Where, if not a secret?
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  8. rJIiOK
    rJIiOK 27 November 2015 09: 54
    +6
    “Tributs, without the knowledge of his command, destroyed the Libau naval base - two days before the Germans' march to Libau. <...> In 1943, Tributs concealed from his command the presence of an impenetrable enemy mine-net in the Gulf of Finland and recklessly destroyed several submarines there "(Strizhak O. Secrets of the Baltic submarine. St. Petersburg, 1996, pp. 223, 224 ).

    Tributus was afraid to report up to the minefield, and the boats went, and died. They walked and died.

    “Never has the fleet been able to interrupt or at least seriously disrupt the enemy’s military or economic transportation. Throughout the war, strategic raw materials were delivered from Scandinavia to German ports with virtually no interruptions, and transportation was systematically carried out in the interests of coastal ground forces. From September 24 to November 25 November 1944, the enemy almost without opposition evacuated the 250 thousandth ground force group from the Courland bridgehead. Then, in 1945, from Libava, Vindava, Danzig and Svinemuende, he took out over 400 of thousands of soldiers and officers and 2,5 of a million civilians ... "(Dotsenko VD Fleet. War. Victory. 1941-1945. St. Petersburg, 1995. S. 227).

    "The commander of the Black Sea Fleet Vice Admiral L.A. Vladimirsky was removed from office (1944) and demoted to Rear Admiral for the fact that 3 destroyers were killed on the Black Sea (and, ironically, was assigned to the Red Banner Baltic Fleet squadron, subordinate to Tributs). And vice-admiral Tributs in 1943 was promoted to full admiral. "

    Among the sailors of the long-suffering and heroic Baltic Fleet, Admiral Tributs V.F. received the nickname "killer."

    And here you write articles of praise.
    How to explain to children that the one through whose fault their fathers died is a hero?
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 27 November 2015 14: 43
      +1
      Quote: rJIiOK
      Tributs, without the knowledge of his command, destroyed the Libava Naval Base - two days before the Germans march to Libava

      Hehehehe ... the same Oleg Stryzhak writes that:
      On June 23, the Germans, unable to break into the city on the move (from the south), bypass Libau from the east. Parts of the 67th division depart to the frontiers according to the outer contour of the city.

      That is, it turns out that Tributz destroyed the Libava naval base on June 21? belay
      Quote: rJIiOK
      The fleet never managed to interrupt or at least seriously disrupt the enemy’s military or economic transportation. Throughout the war, strategic raw materials were delivered from Scandinavia to German ports with virtually no interruptions, and transportation was systematically carried out in the interests of coastal ground forces.

      We look above:
      In 1943, Tributs hid from his command the presence of an impenetrable enemy mine-net fence in the Gulf of Finland and recklessly ditched several submarines there

      Here already either underpants or a cross.
      Either we interrupt the enemy’s communications and send the submarine to break through the mine-net barrage, or we do not send the submarine - and the delivery of strategic raw materials from Scandinavia to the ports of Germany is uninterrupted.

      Because, apart from submarines, the Red Banner Baltic Fleet had no other effective means of influencing transportation until 1944. As the practice of the British has shown, for an effective attack on the German KOH from the air, a strike wing of 3-4 torbyu and rockby squadrons with obligatory fighter cover is required.
    2. bondarencko
      bondarencko 28 November 2015 01: 48
      -2
      Glorious 90s! How much Sobchak shit poured shit that stinks now. And where were you, wise men, in 1941-1945. Why didn’t those huge gaps shut up with their frail busts?
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  10. Ivan Tartugai
    Ivan Tartugai 27 November 2015 19: 24
    +2
    "Tributs, as they said then," broke "the third war."
    The article shows that he participated in two wars, namely in the civil and World War II. The third war, probably, the author implies the Winter War with the Finns in 1939-40, when Tributz was the commander of the KBF. In the Finnish war, the Baltic Fleet under the command of Tributs worked poorly. In fact, he had one combat mission - to destroy two Finnish coastal batteries, eight guns in total, namely six 254 mm guns and two 152 mm guns. The Baltic Fleet embarked on a mission with two battleships of twelve 305 mm barrels, 24 barrels each and leaders with 130 mm guns. For almost a month, he fired several times and spent more than 1000 shells, half of them in the main caliber of 305 mm, with a projectile weight of 400 kg, but received no positive results. Only in the barrel of one of the 254 mm Finns' guns did a fragment of a shell hit and disabled it. The rest of the shells flew by and all with a flight. This Finnish war for Tributs and ended. So Tributs actually did not "break" it.
  11. Ivan Tartugai
    Ivan Tartugai 27 November 2015 19: 37
    +5
    According to the recollections of the widow of Kuznetsov NG Tributs showed himself as a bad person. When Kuznetsov NG was the People's Commissar of the Navy, Tributs considered himself a friend of Nikolai Gerasimovich. When Kuznetsov NG was removed from his post and demoted, then Tributs at meetings in collectives from the stands branded "his friend" is already an "enemy of the people." Then, when Kuznetsov again became Minister and Admiral of the Fleet, then Tributz again, as if nothing had happened, began to communicate with Kuznetsov NG and get friends. Later, Kuznetsov NG was again finally removed from his post and demoted again, and Tributz had simply forgotten him.
    This admiral could walk on the Kremlin floor better than on the sea.
  12. Arct
    Arct 28 November 2015 00: 01
    +4
    It is unpleasant when they write laudatory articles about people who are not worth it. Of course, blaming everything on one person is wrong, but a lot of mistakes, unused opportunities, as well as outright bungling - this is the path of Tributs during the Second World War. I don't even want to write about Finnish. It's just that a person is out of place and completely unprepared for such a level of responsibility. A typical staff officer without a spark. A simple comparison of two "naval commanders" - Tributs and Oktyabrsky - with Golovko - puts everything in its place. Arseny Grigorievich also had erroneous decisions, also had "dark days", but the Northern Fleet, with its scanty capabilities, fulfilled its tasks. And the Baltic Fleet and the Black Sea Fleet actually failed the war, thanks to these "naval commanders".
  13. rubin6286
    rubin6286 28 November 2015 01: 41
    -1
    Dear jogin!

    You are violating the rules of the VO site, which does not allow turning comments into controversies or disputes on a variety of issues. I advise you not only to read literature, but also to comprehend what you read, as they say, "turn on the brain." Your immature comments show that you don’t understand anything at all in military affairs and, especially, as regards the Navy.

    The Navy is not “such special boats that sail the seas and solve important problems there,” as you write, but a type of armed forces designed to carry out strategic and operational
    tasks at ocean and sea theaters of war.
    The modern Navy is capable of destroying important ground targets of the enemy,
    destroy the strength of his fleet at sea and in bases, support land
    troops in land theaters of war, land marine
    landings and reflect the landing of enemy naval assaults,
    disrupt the enemy’s ocean and sea communications and defend their sea communications.

    BATTLE FIGHTING is not a “fascinating and interesting thing”, but the organization and firing of artillery and mortars with the aim of suppressing and destroying enemy artillery and mortar batteries. Front-line, army, naval artillery, artillery of the reserve of the Supreme Command headquarters can be involved in the organization of counter-battery combat.

    Weak special knowledge leads to a misunderstanding and assessment of historical events, a simplified interpretation in the assessment of certain facts and phenomena.

    Admiral V.F. Tributs, who commanded the Baltic Fleet in the last war, was not at all a brilliant strategist, but did everything possible to defeat the insidious and cruel enemy. In perestroika time, unfortunately, a number of scribes appeared who rolled down to the direct desecration of this commander. I will call Igor Bunich with his book The Tallinn Transition, in which he frankly relishes the flaws of the decisions made by the fleet commander, forgetting or completely not knowing what an order is in the army, and even given in wartime.
    1. jogin
      jogin 28 November 2015 09: 13
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      Quote: rubin6286
      designed to fulfill strategic and operational
      tasks at ocean and sea theaters of war.

      So describe what sea and ocean theaters have successfully solved the tasks of the Baltic Fleet and Black Sea Fleet. And what specific tasks have they successfully solved. At the sea and ocean theaters of war.
      Quote: rubin6286
      Front-line, army, naval artillery, artillery of the reserve of the Supreme Command headquarters can be involved in the organization of counter-battery combat.

      You do not understand the point. Linear forces of the Baltic Fleet were not involved in counter-battery fighting. They only could do it. A reasonable question arises, why then were ships needed as platforms? It would be much cheaper and more efficient to put all this economy on the railway platform, and simply not build ships.
      In this case, the linear forces of the Black Sea Fleet, even for counter-battery struggle, were involved only at the beginning. And then, after the losses incurred, they were poured into Georgia to suck. The question is, what the hell were they supposed to build? In the form in which they were built.
      Quote: rubin6286
      Weak special knowledge leads to a misunderstanding and assessment of historical events, a simplified interpretation in the assessment of certain facts and phenomena.

      I am glad for your "strong expertise". Just now answer the questions posed above. Since you are so knowledgeable with us.
  14. rubin6286
    rubin6286 28 November 2015 16: 33
    -1
    It seems to me that I quite clearly explained what the fleet is, why it is needed and what is meant by counter-battery struggle. Russia, and later the USSR, on the basis of geopolitical considerations, the navy was always needed. I think that on ru.wikipedia.org you can find out in sufficient detail about the state and tasks of the Baltic and Black Sea Fleets of the USSR on the eve and during the years of the past war, shipbuilding programs, their purpose and much, much more.
    Your question “Is it better not to build battleships, use their main caliber guns (305-456 mm) on land, as railway batteries?” seems frivolous. One such weapon is not just a platform, but a special train, sufficiently large, not possessing sufficient maneuverability and mobility, vulnerable to air strikes, artillery and sabotage groups of the enemy. Pick up literature, the Internet and try to figure it out for yourself. In 1942-43, the famous Soviet saboteur Ilya Starinov proposed replacing long-range bomber aircraft, having massively thrown bombers-saboteurs behind the enemy lines, motivating them to do the aircraft at the factory, train the crew, refuel them with bombs, bring them to the target and anyway There is no 100% guarantee of its defeat, and 4-5 saboteurs abandoned to the rear, with a minimum of costs, will be able to do this with a much greater probability.
    1. jogin
      jogin 28 November 2015 17: 52
      -1
      Quote: rubin6286
      seems frivolous.

      As I understand it, you have realized the essence of your errors. Just keep persisting for decency.
      PS. The best means of counter-battery combat is a ground attack aircraft. Or a bomber.
      Quote: rubin6286
      Russia, and later the USSR, based on geopolitical considerations, the navy was always needed

      Do you miss the new Tsushima? Or on the Tallinn crossing? Or crave a new defense of Sevastopol? Legs should be stretched over clothes. Mosquito surface fleet + submarine fleet. And that’s all. In addition, Russia does not need anything at sea. The rest can only be for what you missed. And in fact is wrecking. The nation does not need this.
  15. rubin6286
    rubin6286 29 November 2015 12: 14
    -1
    Dear jogin!

    I have already advised you not only to read literature, but also to comprehend what you read, i.e. "Turn on the brain." Again, I repeat that weak specialized knowledge leads to a misunderstanding and assessment of historical events, a simplified interpretation in the assessment of certain facts and phenomena. With your discussion of the fleet, you remind Mitrofanushka: “Why learn geography, the cabman will take you wherever you need to go.” In addition to “ships” and “fascinating and interesting things,” I was surprised to learn that “the best means of counter-battery combat is an attack plane or a bomber.” Counter-battery fighting, in essence, is a duel for the destruction and suppression by fire of your artillery of the artillery batteries of the enemy. Do you have nothing to “turn on”? And what about aviation? Assault aviation is designed to support troops on the battlefield, front-line bomber aircraft affects objects located in the second echelon and near rear, long-range aviation - objects located in the deep rear of the enemy. You don't know that either!

    I must tell you that the older and wiser a person is, the less he wants to explain something. I just want to get up, wish you all the best and leave ... ...
    1. jogin
      jogin 29 November 2015 12: 56
      -1
      Mr. rubin6286.
      I do not see any reason for you to be able to advise me, or anyone else. All your dogmas, they were refuted in the last century. If you haven't noticed, these are your problems. And than to brand someone with "high calmness", it would be better to cite at least one concrete example of successful actions of the RKKF (RIF, Soviet Navy) at sea. Those. where they were supposed to act. And he told me about the counter-battery fight, you know.
      In addition, you do not have an understanding of what the fleet of the peripheral state should be different from the fleet of the leading countries of the world. And this is not just bad, it is a disaster. Fortunately, so far only your personal. Do not think too globally with a GDP of 2,4% of the world. One must be more modest and not engage in valantarism. India with a GDP of 2,65%, here it is a guiding star and a model of a sober approach to the issue.
      Quote: rubin6286
      I just want to get up, wish you all the best and leave ... ...

      That would be a good option for you. Do not hold yourself. Give in to the rush.
  16. 2-0
    2-0 24 October 2016 09: 34
    0
    Tut is direct such a marvelous discussion is burning .... Why argue, dear.
    The issue has long been resolved. Not a single naval commander (comflot in the sense of) a Hero star for the war has not received, that’s it.

    It’s very, very unfortunate that these juveniles were not shot by Oktyabrsky lice, for cowardice. I read enough, watched a couple of films about the evacuation, how thousands stood on Chersonesus, watching at sea ....

    Sevastopol and Tallinn, naturally, would not have held out without the fleet. Especially Tallinn, with the artillery curtain of the fleet. In the Baltic and Cherny, they surrendered everything they could, without any hint of "Hannibal", for which (the operation) the Fuhrer was obliged to reward the entire command of the Soviet BF. Odessa was somehow really taken out, but Sevastopol was not. Well, about the "Baltic Tsushima" - the Tallinn crossing, only lazy did not write. Tributs was lucky if the Germans had drowned Kirov and that was it, in Kronstadt, according to the laws of wartime ...
    The BF was generally paralyzed by simple-dumb-unpretentious German network barriers.