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I want to share a discovery, the essence of which I have been thinking about for a long time, and I realized that I want to speak on this subject. To some, my thoughts will seem obvious, to someone, on the contrary. But speak out. In addition, I have not spoken on Ukraine for a very long time.

A year and a half ago, my phone book lost many dozens of numbers starting with + 38. Ukrainian friends, acquaintances, colleagues and even friends from different cities of Ukraine disappeared from the list of those whom I can call and who can call me. I met one of them regularly during annual and frequent tours. With someone else more often. And with someone sometimes corresponded. But under the general rumble and chorus of curses addressed to me after the text “Neevropeets” and after what I wrote about Odessa, almost all my Ukrainian counterparts disappeared from the field of my communication, friendship and friendship. Someone inflicted palpable spiritual wounds, someone disappeared with resentment. But more were just curses and spits. Moreover, one-sided ... In my address. There are very few, literally about a dozen people with whom relationships have survived, only strengthened and became incredibly careful to each other.

But in general, from the side of Ukraine there was a dead silence.

And suddenly…

Somewhere in the middle of July, I first received one message, then another, and the third ... I began to write from Ukraine, not speaking with each other, people from different cities who did not know each other. I even had to ask someone, they say, who it is, because parting with me more than a year ago, they sent such curses to me that I deleted them from the phone book.

And so to me in the summer began to write ten two people. And their letters were not just peaceful, but of some literally blissful content. And they were written as if we had said goodbye yesterday and agreed to sign off today. As if there were not those most terrible words, threats, insults and heavy curses. Even in these letters, in all, there was no reconciliation ... There was no question of reconciliation. What reconciliation can there be if there is a quarrel? Why apologize if no one offended anyone? ...

The letters contained good stories and reports about how all is well ...

From Odessa they wrote about how beautiful the summer is, how good the weather is, how great they were and they built Arkady, what wonderful concerts they had and how many good girls walk around the city. We were pleased to write about the new governor, praised him. From Kharkov it was reported that they had finished the renovation of the house, and that it was very good to have settled in it, that a very good new bar had opened, and that the mood was wonderful. Photos from the party were sent from Dnepropetrovsk, where everything was scary fun, lots of champagne and all kinds of luxury. From Kiev, too, sent photos from the event - the presentation of the seventh model BMW. And so on, in the same vein from Lviv, Zhytomyr, Zaporozhye.

There is no hint in the letters that, they say, look, you thought that we were going to go out of business and go bankrupt, but we did manage to cope with everything and live it happily. Not! In all the letters there was only one thing: we live very well, everything is in order, we have a full life. I did not see any dirty trick or bragging in these letters.

Of course, I was glad ...

But at the same time, these letters produced some strange impression ... They came from very different people, but they began to come at about the same time and with the same content. I saw in this some kind of tendency, some kind of general impulse. They were written, driven by the same desire ...

The letters were friendly, even friendly in content and form. But there was not a hint of reconciliation, regret about the once uttered curses and cruel evil. I answered all the letters, expressed sincere joy, and did not ask any questions, which, of course, arose by default. And I, of course, did not recall the circumstances and the reasons for our break.

The wave of these letters soon subsided ... And I still thought, what was the reason for them, and what does not bother me?

And then another wave of letters from the same people began. These were letters that contained sincere sympathy ... Well, for example, of this kind: several people wrote to me that they were worried about the terrorist danger that hung over Russia due to the fact that our troops launched an operation in Syria. They wrote me to be careful. I received many sympathetic messages, as well as sympathetic questions about the bankruptcy of Transaero. Like, did it affect me? Like, very sorry for the people. Well, and so on. That is, I saw that my counterparts carefully monitor what is happening in Russia and react to all the big and small troubles.

In connection with the death of our aircraft in Egypt, I received many messages with the most sincere condolences. I responded in the sense that, I believe that I do not need to send condolences, because this is a common tragedy and trouble. Then he received several messages with regrets about the doping scandal around our athletes.

I thought for a long time, what do all these letters remind me of? They remind me very much ... Such letters were already in my life.

And suddenly I understood! I understood and wondered why I did not immediately guess.

This, of course, reminds me of what letters emigrants write. All these messages of my Ukrainian acquaintances demonstrate absolutely emigrant behavior. Yes, I myself remember in myself the same mood and the same desires. I had the experience of trying to emigrate.

Yes, it is the emigrants, that is, those people who leave a certain cultural and geographical historical space, and most importantly, parting with their former way of life, while parting, loudly slam the door ... And before slamming the door, they bile for a long time about the world in which they had to live and have to ... Who leave, leave, fly away forever, which sever all ties with meat ...

It is absolutely necessary for them to be confident in their own rightness, in the correctness of their decision. They are convinced that they are making a step towards a better life, to the life of which other nations, other countries and whole continents live. They can not and do not want to live as they lived. All, without exception, that binds them to their former way of life, makes them disgusted and angry.

They take their step and find themselves in a position that they have not expected at all. The world that seemed to them to be friendly, fair, in which they saw their place and their life, suddenly turns out to be completely different, and most importantly, this world in reality is not at all friendly and not at all glad to see the newcomers. At all!

And the emigrant who has no way back, because he slammed the door too loudly ... But he doesn’t want this way back, he destroyed the way back, he burned the bridges and was happy looking at how these bridges are burning ... He finds himself in rather humiliating, indefinite, unsettled, disenfranchised and very, very prolonged situation without any intelligible way out of it and without even any worthy prospects. Perspectives of justice, prosperity and dignity.

When an immigrant realizes himself in such a situation, he is in a state of surprise for a while. This surprise is replaced by indignation, indignation is replaced by disappointment, and then, like someone, longing comes, or a person begins to adapt to the circumstances, which he himself has arranged.

But the most painful for a person in such a situation is the recollection of how he slammed the door, about what he was driven by what illusions and hopes he parted with his past life, about what he had done, leaving his past life. These memories are tormenting, and the question “for what was it done?” Simply torments. I watched it in many immigrants and watched it in myself when I thought that I left my homeland forever.

And then there comes a strong desire to somehow calm down and somehow live in what he has arranged for himself.

I myself wrote letters about how good I am. And how many letters from many and many of my classmates, classmates, peers and fellow countrymen who went home at the beginning of 90's all over the world!

The more depressing, the more hopeless and hopeless the situation was, the more complacent and cheerful letters were written to me ... But they didn't invite me to visit. Like my Ukrainian counterparts.

The next desire, typical for an emigrant, is to follow the newsthat come from the former world and life. This news is necessary. And the bad news is needed, and better, the terrible news. You need to know that everything is bad there, life is terrible, despotism and lawlessness, that everything is on the verge of a great disaster, and this disaster is about to happen. And all sorts of tragedies and disasters are needed. We need a dying economy, poverty, military defeats, and all sorts of failures from science to sport. It is such news that reassures, convinces of its own right and makes it possible to live in its completely miserable situation, but still, thanks to the news, to feel this situation is much more profitable than the one that remained in the past.

And from such a situation it is very pleasant to write sympathetic words to those who stayed there. Words of sympathy without sympathy.

One of my friends ... I will never call his name, and I will never allow him to communicate with this person, he wrote me a very touching letter immediately after the plane crashed over Sinai. It was so well written that I immediately replied, and we had some kind of correspondence during the day. In the evening, I can say at night I received a message from him that was definitely not addressed to me. He accidentally sent it to my number. Wrong address. The letter read: “Yes, it is clear that they fly on any junk. But I still hope that this plane is overwhelmed. Let them ... ... feel what it is like when ... "well, and so on. I instantly blocked the number of this person. What is it ?! And most importantly, why did I write words of sympathy and compassion, experiencing gloating, in which I did not want to admit even to myself?

The essence and content of the messages from Ukraine in the summer and this fall became clear to me. These are emigre letters.

Just the phenomenon is that the whole country emigrated. She emigrated, of course, remaining within her historical and geographical limits. But she emigrated, that is, she broke away, left, left, flew away. She broke away and found herself in that very incomprehensible, indefinite, unsettled and very humiliating situation in which little depends on her.

But if this is so, and this is so, then all the conversations of our deputies and activists running from one television to another ... Talks and spells that we are fraternal peoples, that there is no one closer and inevitably closer to us and the return of confused and deceived Ukraine - all this is nonsense. Emigrants are not returned.

When they leave, so slamming the door and so burning the bridges - do not return. Relative to the blood remain, but in fact - no.

These letters, these messages, these short messages indicate that one can never restore previous connections. Reconciliation, tranquility will come - it is inevitable, it is the law of life. But the former will not be. Emigrants are not returned.

They can come to visit with pleasure. But only if they succeeded there in a foreign land, everything grew together well, success, prosperity and wealth happened. That's when they gladly come with gifts, smart.

And if, on the contrary, everything is bad or, say, not very good, and certainly not the way it was wanted and dreamed of, then, of course, they will not even look at it. They will watch the bad news, and back, no, no. Why persecute an already tormented soul?
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  1. +141
    24 November 2015 20: 49
    Great Writer Grishkovets. Although I do not like him for his liberal views, his talent cannot be taken away from him. And the article is excellent. Emigration of a whole country is very strongly said ... Only from Emigration can one return, but from Ukraine - no. Because she is no more.
    1. +28
      24 November 2015 20: 55
      I always said about them - "It's not just that there are anecdotes about their gut-gut!" That says it all.
      1. +61
        24 November 2015 21: 14
        Quote: D-Master
        Great Writer Grishkovets. Although I do not like him for his liberal views, his talent cannot be taken away from him. And the article is excellent. Emigration of a whole country is very strongly said ... Only from Emigration can one return, but from Ukraine - no. Because she is no more.

        well written .. but all this is sad ...
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          1. -24
            24 November 2015 21: 21
            guys here ran into the truth no, xs ...---
            Ankara is working on the release of two pilots of the Russian Su-24 bomber, shot down on November 24 in Syrian airspace. According to Reuters, citing a representative of the Turkish government, the pilots are held captive by fighters of the Syrian opposition.

            According to CNN Turk, both Russian pilots are alive and in the hands of Syrian opposition. Currently, every effort is being made to release them, according to the channel’s microblog on Twitter.
            1. -4
              25 November 2015 05: 21
              Quote: severniy
              According to CNN Turk, both Russian pilots are alive and in the hands of Syrian opposition.
              - What are you writing? One pilot was shot in the air from the DShK, and the second, the navigator, shot himself, while still in the air, so as not to experience torment. He was already dead, spirits tormented on earth. My sister told me that our territory was leveled! Warships pulled up to the area and monitor the flights of Turkish aircraft. And those, in turn, sit quietly like mice - not a single one in the air.
              1. +14
                25 November 2015 06: 32
                "It's not just that there are anecdotes about their gut-gut!" That says it all.

                I am now reading the book by Felix Chuev "Soldiers of the Empire" about meetings with interesting people, prominent figures in various fields of the USSR.
                The book contains a chapter dedicated to F. Chuev's meetings with the former Commissar of Internal Affairs of the Ukrainian SSR, the "State Security Commissar", later Lieutenant General Vasily Stepanovich Ryasny. Read it very interesting, you rarely read it anywhere.
                “The story of Ukraine’s liberation from the German invaders has not yet been written,” Ryasnoy says. - After all, the whole war went on in Ukraine, much was decided there. And the fact is that they had to fight not only with the Germans, but also with the Ukrainians. Indeed, in each village, the so-called “battles” were created — combat units with sanitary services and supplies. ... There is no Ukraine alone. There have always been two Ukraine. One is western orientation, the other reaches for Russia. OUNites sought to penetrate everywhere. Only the Soviet regiment will occupy the village and, tired, will rest, it is attacked by armed members of the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists. "I happened to liberate Ukraine, and I saw it all with my own eyes."

                ... Yes, there were two Ukraine, not just the left and right bank, not only the east and west, there was Ukraine Kovpak and Kozhedub- and there was Ukraine Bandera and Melnik.

                ... Ukraine has long strived for "independence", and the whole situation there was unfavorable for the advancing units of the Red Army. The pilots told me: “Worst of all, if they bring down Ukraine, they will immediately surrender to the Germans or the police!”

                ... Stalin knew about this ... Before me is a document:
                TOP SECRET
                Order No. 0078/42. June 22, 1944. Moscow.
                BY THE PEOPLE'S COMMISSARIAT OF INTERNAL AFFAIRS OF THE UNION AND THE PEOPLE'S COMMISSARIAT OF DEFENSE OF THE UNION OF THE USSR
                Undercover intelligence found:
                Recently in Ukraine, especially in the Kiev, Poltava, Vinnitsa, Rivne and other areas, there has been a clearly hostile mood of the Ukrainian population against the Red Army and local organs of Soviet power.
                In certain districts and regions, the Ukrainian population is hostilely resisting ...
                From the foregoing, it is clear that the Ukrainian population has embarked on the path of obvious sabotage of the Red Army and Soviet power and is striving for the return of the German invaders.
                Therefore, in order to eliminate and control the mobilized Red Army soldiers and commanders of the liberated regions of Ukraine, I order:
                1. To expel to some parts of the Soviet Union all Ukrainians living under the rule of German occupiers. Eviction to produce:
                a) primarily the Ukrainians who worked and served with the Germans;
                b) secondly, to expel all other Ukrainians who are familiar with life during the German occupation;
                ...
                People's Commissar of the Interior of the USSR BERIA
                Deputy People's Commissar of Defense of the USSR, Marshal of the Soviet Union Zhukov

                At the bottom there is such an entry: "For unknown reasons, this order was not executed."
                “It was partially implemented,” Ryasnoy says, “and I had a direct relationship to this.
                1. +4
                  26 November 2015 13: 57
                  It is necessary to return Novorossia, divide Little Russia with Galicia and pit the latter with the Poles. Having a whole Ukraine, at hand, is like sitting on a barrel of gunpowder and smoking.
                  1. +1
                    26 November 2015 22: 30
                    100% rights
                  2. 0
                    27 November 2015 18: 25
                    Quote: spiriolla-xnumx
                    divide Little Russia with Galicia and pit the latter with the Poles.

                    This is not our method, besides they themselves are biting each other, do not interfere ... Oh, dreams, dreams !!!
                2. +1
                  26 November 2015 22: 08
                  Let them emigrate, only the earth watered with the blood of OUR grandfathers, we will not give up. It is necessary to implement Stalin's plan to the end, the most zealous in consumption (in the sense of geyropu, Poland, Africa, to hell ...)
              2. +12
                25 November 2015 09: 42
                And who is your sister? Maria Zakharova? If not, you should not do stuffing of this nature. The site can be visited by people who experience everything that happened with their souls and this kind of information gives them hope that the death of the pilots was avenged.
                If there are specific sources, documentary evidence, then lay it out.
                And then they took the fashion, and here, by the way, too, to use information "from unnamed sources, trustworthy" (C).
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                1. +3
                  25 November 2015 19: 47
                  With such a vocabulary, they are waiting for you on the Censor ... With lard and a vodka ..
                2. -7
                  25 November 2015 22: 20
                  what stupid cons ?, one yes writes about the shot navigator, others click without delving .., wipe your eyes, yes read the dialogue ...
              4. -4
                25 November 2015 18: 11
                My sister handed me
                and your grandmother doesn’t flop out with a pitchfork ?, since your sister is fighting instead of you ...
                1. -2
                  25 November 2015 22: 21
                  even a sister at a deer krassava, forum member ...
              5. SVT
                +1
                26 November 2015 06: 25
                Before you write, especially according to your sister’s words, she, by the way, is a participant in the limited military contingent of the Russian Federation in Syria, otherwise where did she get such information, just look, what if you are mistaken.
                And, note, when a bullet from a DShK gets into a person’s body, the body develops into parts, when it gets into a limb, it tears it off.
              6. +1
                26 November 2015 15: 24
                Also shoot yourself, so as not to torment us with your nonsense.
            2. +1
              26 November 2015 20: 50
              and then why? our comrade showed us what kind of hypocrisy among the Turks, everything is already known, but these not-so-smart guys make all kinds of stuffing. oh stink of them!
            3. +2
              27 November 2015 02: 42
              Never read Turkish newspapers in the mornings ... And don't look at CNN - it affects appetite badly and, most importantly, brains.
          2. +17
            24 November 2015 22: 09
            Press conference of NATO representatives on the downed Russian Su-24
            be-be, me-me - dEbily blRd
            Che wanted to say x .. knows request
            1. +22
              24 November 2015 22: 29
              Quote: Dryuya2
              Che wanted to say x .. knows

              But his behavior scares me, bulging eyes and slurred speech suggests that he is scared and confused. What would that mean? Is the world on the brink of nuclear war?
              1. +6
                25 November 2015 02: 21
                Quote: Vladimirets
                But his behavior scares me, bulging eyes and slurred speech suggests that he is scared and confused.

                Stoltenberg is a fan of online games. In one of his favorites - Age of Empires - he uses the pseudonym Steklov


                tore it away from the strategy, you will not goggle yet, the topic is "delicate"
              2. +2
                25 November 2015 09: 49
                Yes, Mirr has been at that threshold since the very creation of this damned nuclear weapon!
            2. 0
              25 November 2015 13: 05
              Well, he can’t say that the Turks set up the whole block, and that’s
        2. -29
          24 November 2015 22: 30
          Quote: D-Master
          the article is excellent. Emigration of a whole country is very strongly said ... Only from Emigration can one return, but from Ukraine - no. Because she is no more.

          Quote: Baikonur
          I always said about them - "It's not just that there are anecdotes about their gut-gut!" That says it all.

          Quote: severniy
          well written .. but all this is sad ...

          Whether the article, fiction or reality, it doesn’t matter anyway crap, someone? Rush to argue? It may be the end of Ukraine, but neither the end of the earth nor the end of history, much is yet to come and purgatory and its own to appear.
          Z.Y. Nothing can be taken from a bear, no one can do it ...
          1. +6
            25 November 2015 13: 36
            .. The earth will remain, only a rabble of rolling stones will be walking along it, "who would betray."
          2. +7
            25 November 2015 13: 42
            Judging by the literacy of writing, are you from the Outskirts or from the Baltic states? Then your expression of thought is understandable, but there can be no end to the outskirts, there simply is no such state of the EDGE.
          3. +4
            26 November 2015 21: 32
            Quote: SPACE
            neither the end of the earth nor the end

            Quote: SPACE
            no one can do it

            Dear space Chukhonet. Do yourself the trouble - deal with "neither" and "not". The completely illiterate text of the whole MARSHAL looks strange. Or is it a NATO sabotage? The personnel will get acquainted with the writings of the senior in rank and will lose combat readiness.
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        4. 0
          26 November 2015 09: 07
          Do not be sad. Alas, real life is always woven from contradictions - philosophy interprets this as a source of development, and a normal person in the depths of his soul often still gravitates to the ideal. Everything rests on this. Remember the common phrase: does he (she) not understand? You just need to always remember that we all (even our own children) are different. Yes, it is not easy. Yes, it can be tiring. And many are not ready for this, not everyone is able to withstand such loads. For this reason, some people seek to escape from the mundane bustle, for example, in a monastery. But, if you understand what is happening, then you will understand the Solomon parable: everything will pass, this will pass. In fact, life is beautiful and amazing in its great diversity.
      2. +8
        24 November 2015 21: 39
        Quote: Baikonur
        I always said about them - "It's not just that there are anecdotes about their gut-gut!" That says it all.


        Where fat is, there is Homeland, as if to squeeze something into a fool, that's all philosophy. All their miserable history is betrayal and prostitution, they cannot be called a nation either, they are immature and will never be a nation.
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          1. +3
            25 November 2015 09: 41
            History teaches that no one teaches ... sad and shameful again to step on the Ukrainian rake, wipe off and again "like a brotherly people" ... One word Ukrainians.
        2. +2
          25 November 2015 12: 20
          Quote: iliitch
          Their whole wretched story is betrayal and prostitution,

          Exactly. Starting with the boyar Tverdila, the cursed kakla that opened the gates of Pskov to the knights for dogs. You can recall the treacherous behavior of the inhabitants - kaklov from Kaluga and Zvenigorod, who opened the gates of their cities before False Metriy 2. But those times are ancient. Here are the more recent betrayals of kaklov. clean water kakol. "Cossacks" von Panwitz in the service of the Wehrmacht-purebred kakly all to one. And Gorbachev? A one hundred percent corrupt purebred kakol. And also howland betrayed Ceausescu, Najibulla and Milosevic who trusted her. Yes, why should I say, their whole history is simply full of betrayal . What to take from the poor. In Russian history, there were no such cases. And this is good.
      3. +17
        24 November 2015 21: 43
        Quote: Baikonur
        I always said about them - "It's not just that there are anecdotes about their gut-gut!" That says it all.

        Well, fuck them guys where dill passes to a Jew, there’s nothing left to do, such a dill will be betrayed at the first opportunity, and they will betray mattresses with a geyropa, wait a while, that’s how it will be, ugh Judah on them. By plane you all know what will happen we’ll continue to look with a cold head, but the Turks need to make a return, The lost children have eternal memory and a low bow from all of us.
      4. +21
        24 November 2015 21: 58
        The article is interesting, written just very well. But not to Ukraine today. Do not be offended, author. Inside, everything is boiling. Fucking Erdogan.
        1. SVD
          +15
          25 November 2015 00: 34
          All right! And I don’t understand those who go to Turkey on vacation!
        2. +2
          25 November 2015 13: 19
          I think that everything that happens in Egypt, Syria, Turkey, and Ukraine, too, directly or indirectly, can be linked into one ball.
        3. +3
          25 November 2015 15: 41
          Reserve officer

          You dig deeper into the moral of the article.

          People lie to themselves. The moral of Ukrainian citizens corresponds to a typical liberal morality.

          The liberal model is built on the wrong values ​​at the very beginning of the construction of the logic of the liberal point of view.

          Therefore, the emigrant country can not find its complacency, its spiritual comfort.

          Turkey and war are one and the same problem. The concept of morality and the construction of society are changed. Changed moral values. The primary source of building a society.

          If this is not understood, events in the world will bring surprise and disappointment.
        4. +4
          25 November 2015 21: 35
          Quote: Stock Officer
          The article is interesting, written just very well. But not to Ukraine today. Do not be offended, author. Inside, everything is boiling. Fucking Erdogan.


          Still boils. Yes, the point is not only in Erdogan. If you look broader, then the human population is taxiing to the straight, as if not the finish. Lying, the substitution of concepts, arrogance, unprincipled, and just bestiality - this is the norm for these nonsense. But Putin is simply telling the truth - and how does it curtain them. Straight vampires in the sunlight. President with advisers - wisdom, Shoigu with the General Staff - decisiveness, Rogozin - perseverance, the government - less stupidity and worms-liberals. Yes, everything will be normal, God is not Timoshka - he sees a little bit. Minin and Pozharsky were more difficult, for example.
      5. +32
        24 November 2015 22: 28
        Quote: Baikonur
        "It's not just that there are anecdotes about their gut-gut!"

        Well, if it came to jokes and emigration, I would advise the residents of 404 to think about this text:
        A man is dying. He lived more or less righteously - he went to heaven.
        And now he has been walking in paradise for the second week, and there is nothing special to do there.
        “Here are the boring things,” the man thought.
        And only he thought it - smoke, crackle, fire and the Devil appears.
        - Are you bored? - asks.
        - And how! - the man answers.
        - So we went on an excursion to us - to Hell.
        Well, let's go. The Devil opens the gates of hell, and there - something like a casino and a tavern in one bottle - wine, roulette, girls ...
        A man walked for fame ...
        “Liked it?” The Devil asks.
        “And then!” The man answers.
        - So come on - ask God to transfer you to us.
        Well, the man returned to Paradise, and asked for a transfer to Hell.
        And now he comes back to the treasured gate. Knocking. They reveal two hefty traits to him. And immediately grab it, and drag it inside. And there inside - no tavern and casino. But everywhere there are boilers in which sinners cook. Well, the peasant was taken to a free cauldron and thrown.
        How a man soared here (both from boiling water and from resentment).
        Shouts: - This is a mistake! The Devil promised me another! Where is the wine? Where are the gambling? Where, girls, finally?
        “Don’t confuse tourism with emigration,” one of the devils answered him, tossing firewood into the fire under the boiler.


        So it is with Ukraine - they wanted a sweet life and walks around Montmartre, but they will get a plunger and a broom for cleaning the toilet all in the same Paris. Se la vie ...
        1. +12
          25 November 2015 02: 34
          Don’t confuse tourism with emigration, one of the devils answered him.

          Well said!

          How many suckers on this broke off ...
      6. +3
        25 November 2015 15: 33
        Baikonur

        Do not equal everyone on your own. Watch your nutrushka.

        The other day a video was released on YouTube by Anatoly Sharia. There was a survey of pensioners in Ukraine, say for life. Under these circumstances, obviously poor unfortunate people were offered money for the interview. Look what they say. People have preserved morality. They with liberal values ​​have not changed.

        The author wrote well. Everything corresponds to LIBERAL VALUES.

        I will explain what the difference is and what the values ​​are. In a nutshell.

        There is a lie. There is a truth. True, these are the laws of nature, which cannot be interpreted in two ways.

        Truth leads a person and society to progress.

        Lying leads the individual to enrichment. But society is regressing.

        Changing morality can be a false truth. These are LIBERAL VALUES.
        These values ​​lead to regression.

        I can cite a huge number of examples of lies in the liberal model. At the household and state level. But this is a different story.

        The author cited a typical model of an immigrant lie to himself.
      7. +2
        25 November 2015 16: 44
        A person does not choose his parents / country at birth, but developing himself or not is certainly a personal choice. But if neither the parents nor the country suggests such a vector, then an unconscious rotation around its axis turns out, or otherwise - stupidity. I feel sorry for those who are completely unfamiliar with folk sayings, otherwise they would have remembered - do not spit in the well, it will be useful to drink water. But maybe today's youth have "forgotten" what a well is? Or does it not represent the interconnection of the image "well" with the world around us and therefore so recklessly "spits" at everything, absolutely not expecting a response, because she is not familiar with the boomerang either? The development of the brain depends on the difference between the external tasks assigned, worked out internally, taking into account both real and expected consequences. It is precisely the development of this that needs to be intensively engaged both by parents and by those who take responsibility for leading countries, if, of course, he himself is sufficiently developed in brains. A narrow aspiration to "make money" for the sake of animal needs, even if somewhat on a human scale, will not lead further than a developed animal instinct. Hence the aspiration to one's own "I", as the most important in this world, for the sake of which one can destroy the mass of "I", doing everything so that these "other" "I" consider themselves insignificant in striving for "their" greatness. The conflict of OWN aspirations with other similar individuals, i.e. the same with an orientation to "theirs", without taking into account the general, and there is the main conflict in the modern community of both Ukraine and the United States. “Growing up” with the mind beyond the limits of your “I” to the limit of your country and further - the boundaries of the earth, not for the sake of your “I”, but for the sake of the existence of the world, is not given to everyone, especially if the most important moment of the formation of a human personality, which falls on childhood, is missed ... Anyone can go from "I am worthy" from advertisements to "the world is worthy" if he thinks not about himself, his dear and only, but about peace in the whole world. The Russian Soul, the Russian Spirit was mainly distinguished and distinguished by the fact that it feels its responsibility for the safety of the whole world, and not only for its "trough", which, no matter how you cover it with "diamonds", will not become the world, but the worst thing is that such an aspiration can turn the world into a "trough". Note that "Russianness" is not a race or nationality, but an internal striving for world peace, and if someone is "afraid" of this in himself, then this is not a "victory" over himself, but grief, which pushes him to recklessness. Something like this. YATD.
        1. +1
          26 November 2015 19: 33
          I agree with you completely, but the thought haunts: "Well, why are we so polluted ourselves, in the literal sense, our nature, streets, entrances? Where does this" Russianness "(and this is me, you, us) that go? . feel responsible for the safety of the whole world, and not only for his "trough" ", in ordinary, everyday life?
    2. +36
      24 November 2015 20: 57
      Maybe well on .. these urops? not up to them today like that. For me, let them even fail to hell
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        1. +2
          24 November 2015 21: 15
          Quote: Sid.74
          All contacts between the defense departments of Russia and Turkey will be repainted.

          Not quite understood the word repainted
          1. +10
            24 November 2015 21: 19
            Quote: Sterlya
            Not quite understood the word repainted

            Hurried, typo made. Will be discontinued.

            Pegas Touristik has stopped the sale of vouchers to Turkey


            The estimated damage from retaliatory "tourist" and trade measures of the Russian Federation may amount to $ 21 billion.


            Channel Haberturk said that their operators accidentally shot the moment of the fall of the Su-24, as they happened to be nearby.


            Turkish Airlines shares lost more than 6%


            MoonOf Alabama: even if the Russian plane was in the sky of Turkey for 5 seconds, this is not self-defense, but an ambush. NATO will crawl away.


            Ours today bombed the Rakka refinery for more than an hour.

            The Italian Parliament is confident that Turkey entered the war on the side of IG. Http://www.riafan.ru/484541-italyanskij-parlament-uveren-chto-turciya-vstupila-
            v-vojnu-na-storone-ig


            The Ministry of Defense: The cruiser "Moscow" is equipped with an analogue of the C-300 and will destroy any targets that pose a danger to Russian aviation


            DW: Germany against the escalation of the conflict around the Crimea


            Turkey did not provide Moscow with evidence that Su-24 violated their borders

            1. +2
              24 November 2015 21: 29
              Quote: Sid.74
              Hurried, typo made. Will be discontinued.

              THX. Well, right, what can you talk about with them after that
              1. +4
                24 November 2015 21: 37
                Quote: Sterlya
                Well, that's right, what can you do with them after that

                And with NATO as a whole.
                The NATO Council, following a discussion of the incident with the Russian aircraft shot down by Turkey, is not expected to make a statement on behalf of the alliance, but will be limited to a statement by Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg, a diplomatic source close to NATO told RIA Novosti on Tuesday.
                "It is obvious that NATO does not seek to aggravate the situation. Most likely, there will be no statements by the alliance as such, the participants in the meeting will confine themselves to the statement of the Secretary General," the diplomat said.RIA Novosti http://ria.ru/world/20151124/1327692325.html#ixzz3sR3yWoRp

                The "Vilayat-Sinai" terrorist group operating in the Sinai Peninsula is responsible for the deaths of the Russians killed in the A321 plane crash, The Russian Federation is ready to cooperate with Egypt in the fight against this evil, said Defense Minister General of the Army Sergey Shoigu.
                РИА Новости http://ria.ru/world/20151124/1327758468.html#ixzz3sR5x1aiG

                Air passengers of the Russian Federation independently hand over air tickets to Turkey.
                Russian air passengers began to hand over tickets purchased earlier for flights to Turkey, in particular, applications for a return were submitted by 20% of passengers who bought tickets for 5 days, the general director of the ticket sales agency Pososhok.ru Kirill Faminsky.RIA News http: // ria. com / society / 20151124 / 1327757024.html # ixzz3sR6KbVru

                1. +13
                  24 November 2015 21: 50
                  And here is the unity of NATO in all its glory.

                  The Pentagon did not confirm that the downed Su-24 was in Turkish airspace https://russian.rt.com/article/132364


                  The former head of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Latvia: Turkey, shot down the Russian Su-24, climbs on the rampage
                  “If you analyze the situation as a whole, I think that Turkey is asking for trouble. Turkey does not like the fact that Russia is fighting against the (terrorist) Islamic State, that Russia is protecting Assad, they want to overthrow him. The biggest problem in this region is today is Turkey. It is not clear what policy it is pursuing and what it wants to achieve in general by supporting terrorists, "Jurkans said.
                  РИА Новости http://ria.ru/world/20151124/1327754828.html#ixzz3sR7VJdA0
        2. +12
          24 November 2015 22: 06
          And again, on the same rake! .. The search group went into foreign territory on the eights without any cover ...
          1. +3
            24 November 2015 22: 35
            . A search group into foreign territory went on eights without any cover ..


            That PSS that was on duty, she immediately went. To land troops to the battalion? (and there’s nothing less to do there). Without intelligence, preparation, not knowing where exactly? And where to get a regiment of helicopters for this, and the motorized rifle battalion itself?
            Or do not you understand that the enemy is on the ground, and only from the air, and even from 5 km you can not disperse them? And below, you will receive in full from the rifle and to MANPADS.
            1. +11
              24 November 2015 22: 56
              There was a video of the statement of the head of the GSU GSH Sergey Rudskiy on the fact of the attack by the Turkish Air Force of the Su-24M Russian Aerospace Force of the Russian Federation.
          2. +3
            25 November 2015 00: 45
            Quote: evgmiz
            And again, on the same rake! .. The search group went into foreign territory on the eights without any cover ...

            The video is that with two MI-24s as a cover.
      2. +9
        24 November 2015 21: 16
        Quote: Sterlya
        Maybe well on .. these urops? not up to them today like that. For me, let them even fail to hell

        But what about those who live in the south and who have family ties there?
        it’s easy to write .. but on the soul yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
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      4. +19
        24 November 2015 21: 40
        Quote: Sterlya
        For me, let them even fail to hell


        Yes, it’s full of you, okstitsya: the devils are in what guilty ?! laughing
    3. +16
      24 November 2015 21: 00
      Quote: D-Master
      Great Author Grishkovets

      Pacific Fleet sailor - Evgeny Grishkovets, not only a good author, but also CITIZEN
    4. +10
      24 November 2015 21: 06
      Quote: D-Master
      . Because she is no more.

      I completely agree! But there’s probably still a lot of nerves spoiled.
    5. +18
      24 November 2015 21: 07
      Great article. The hypocrisy and meanness peculiar to dill are subtly noted. My 16 relatives living there, (all Russians) are silent - busy with survival.
    6. +2
      24 November 2015 21: 09
      Justification of one's own critical, immoral and wild actions is absolutely natural for people and nations in general. Especially if internally they all feel their own wrongness and the fatality of their actions. And the dependence is directly proportional in this, the more one is, the deeper the other (you will not sin, you will not repent). An undoubted person does not seek self-justification and does not write "to grandfather's village" ...
    7. +10
      24 November 2015 21: 40
      Quote: D-Master
      Emigration of a whole country is very strongly said ... Only from Emigration can one return, but from Ukraine - no. Because she is no more.

      They emigrated with brains, but this does not save from harsh reality.
      Add my 5 cents.
      From conversations with the brothers made several conclusions.
      The words they utter are selected very carefully, not a word about the mess and the open gangsterism of the authorities against their people. It seems that everyone is listening. They don’t have any particular complaints, even when the salary fell by 2 times and the prices went up by 3. Having read the Ukrainian media they often complain about food in Russia, they think it’s that we are starving. They are very afraid of war. Even understanding how criminal power is in their brain, they seem to have been beaten very much by Europeans, for this reason one brother wants to send his daughter to study in Germany. His brother-in-law ran away from mobilization in Poland. And the general conclusion I would have made is that the Americans succeeded in separating the peoples, they do not see us either as relatives, not as fellow travelers.
    8. -8
      24 November 2015 21: 49
      The style of this a f to r, of course, but one huge and ugly "BUT!" According to those who wrote in Ukraine, the torn off piece, which it is time to give up and forget, is not our people. But what about Crimea, how Donbass, how finally millions are not subject to the fascist plague? The same mayor of Uzhgorod Sergei Ratushnyak, as Grishkovets proposes to forget all these people, to kill in his head, phone book, etc. It's strange why no one sends such SMS to all of us, even our relatives.
      I still dare to eat enough that it was written not by my favorite author, but by some kind of fake platter and put a plus, at the same time, I can’t. I have a fat minus, it’s a pity that one!
      1. +1
        25 November 2015 00: 50
        Quote: juborg
        I still dare to eat enough that it was written not by my favorite author, but by some kind of fake platter and put a plus, at the same time, I can’t. I have a fat minus, it's a pity that one

        I also put it, but unfortunately he wrote it and that is exactly what he wants, so that we forget about them forever, betray. He’s just smart and understands that it’s stupid to push through and so decided to make it.
      2. +1
        25 November 2015 08: 45
        You yourself have 3 fat minuses !!! You still don’t understand anything!
    9. +12
      24 November 2015 21: 51
      Quote: D-Master
      The emigration of a whole country is very much said ...


      Then Grishkovets was too clever. Invented emigration. crying

      But in fact, this article is a vivid example of how public people in Russia are treated. All these waves of letters are clearly coordinated in time and in content. Or maybe they are written one by one. Owners of address books in which there is Grishkovets' address are caught at once (all social networks do this). Then a dozen "loyal" owners are selected, who are offered to work "in the name of democracy." And then a manual is regularly sent out (which letter to write, which photos to attach, etc.)

      All this in order to establish contact with a public figure and further feed her with disinformation or incite her to various actions. This whole creative crowd is so subtle, so responsive ... that managing their opinion is not a difficult task.
      Especially when professionals take up the info-wars.

      Here is the result - they practically achieved that Grishkovets had already begun to sympathize with his addressees. And even a puncture with the one who wrote about the plane did not suggest that other addressees could play the same game. Well, a "creative person" cannot imagine the scale of the information war machine that started the game with him. Therefore, he comes up with all sorts of theories about emigration.

      If you follow the methods of the special services for building relations, then the next step is to ask him for some small service. After that, the level of confidence between them will increase and it will already be possible to start hanging noodles on the ears seriously.

      The only thing that you can advise Grishkovets is to either ignore such recipients or show these letters to friends from the special services (maybe they can extract something useful from this - they also need to process public people, and here’s a ready-made training manual wink )
      1. +7
        25 November 2015 01: 01
        Quote: vladek64
        All these waves of letters are clearly coordinated in time and in content. Or maybe they were written one by one. Owners of address books in which there is Grishkovets' address are caught at once (all social networks do this). Then a dozen "loyal" owners are selected, who are offered to work "in the name of democracy." And then a manual is regularly sent out (which letter to write, which photos to attach, etc.)


        I also had a similar thought - the Ukrainian "writers" acted too monotonously. But you put it more logical and convincingly than I even had time to think
        1. +2
          25 November 2015 06: 06
          Of course, this is an integral part of the psychological and informational operation carried out by the United States and the Western coalition. It is no coincidence that a public person became the addressee. It is calculated that he will definitely share his feelings, spreading this "blissful information in the media space, and he shared it ... Maybe not quite in the way the author of the idea would like, but still ... behind all this you can see "Methodological recommendations" thus in our country they are trying to cultivate a layer of white tape-liberals - humus for Maidan scenarios.
      2. +2
        25 November 2015 08: 46
        Quote: vladek64
        The only thing that can be advised to Grishkovets is either to ignore such recipients or to show these letters to friends from the special services (maybe they can extract something useful from this - they also need to process public people, and now the training manual is ready)

        I will add for Grishkovets: not to be naive. In the social network MM for some time gave comments from Lena from the Netherlands. I missed this, it was sick to read: fights in stores for sugar, battalions of paupers on every corner, general mortality from vaccinations ..
        Troll. Mata raked in full. It turned out that not Lena, but a guy, not from the Netherlands, but sitting in Kiev. This is an information war. And for a surcharge from the SBU, these "migrants" will do any stuffing. I have relatives in Kiev, they live poorly. Not to inform war.
      3. 0
        25 November 2015 08: 46
        Quote: vladek64
        The only thing that can be advised to Grishkovets is either to ignore such recipients or to show these letters to friends from the special services (maybe they can extract something useful from this - they also need to process public people, and now the training manual is ready)

        I will add for Grishkovets: not to be naive. In the social network MM for some time gave comments from Lena from the Netherlands. I missed this, it was sick to read: fights in stores for sugar, battalions of paupers on every corner, general mortality from vaccinations ..
        Troll. Mata raked in full. It turned out that not Lena, but a guy, not from the Netherlands, but sitting in Kiev. This is an information war. And for a surcharge from the SBU, these "migrants" will do any stuffing. I have relatives in Kiev, they live poorly. Not to inform war.
      4. +1
        25 November 2015 09: 00
        All that you wrote is nonsense! I know a lot of Ukrainians (yes, almost everything!) - these are exactly what Grishkovets wrote!
      5. 0
        25 November 2015 16: 05
        In everything you need to know when to stop. The authors of the lines about intelligence, information wars and other things - try to abstract from everything that you have to say and just re-read the text again.
        That text is not an article. This is a reflection.

        And having accepted them in this capacity, you will not turn your tongue to blurt out "too clever" and "invented".

        PS Strictly speaking, I was too clever and thought up "vladek64" here. Because I personally cannot evaluate everything that is written about "processed", "coordinated", "manuals" and other things, and very authoritative advice to Grishkovets personally.
        1. +1
          25 November 2015 17: 45
          Quote: _Are_
          try to abstract from all that you have to say and just re-read the text again.


          And you just read the comments under this "text" and you will understand why these "texts" appear.
          Some comments are filled with such hatred that you just clearly see how those who push the Slavs against each other rub their hands.
    10. +5
      24 November 2015 22: 01
      Quote: D-Master
      You can return only from Emigration, but not from Ukraine. Because she is no more.

      Yes, all this is nonsense, propaganda does its job, "what you say to the herd, the shepherd, it bleats."
      It's just that, alas, Russia has not learned this in 20 years, what the United States is so good at is how they know how to manipulate the public, and sometimes even clumsy, but it works, but there are only a few who say "adequate", but who listens to them ?


      Here the solution is either to remove Ukraine as a state altogether, or to engage in reformatting the state with harsh propaganda, but it will not be easy. I’ll give an example of the USR that the Nazis occupied and all marched and greeted Hitler, ground the USSR.

      PS Does the author suggest leaving everything as it is?) Well, again, another embittered Baltic? Only with a population of 40 million and fiercely hating the Russian Federation?)
      1. +1
        25 November 2015 12: 30
        Quote: Phantom Revolution
        I will give an example of the USR which was occupied by the Nazis and all marching together and greeted Hitler

        Tell about this at least to the residents of Putivl, where the detachment of S.A. Kovpak was formed.
    11. Tor5
      +3
      24 November 2015 22: 22
      At first an intriguing, but ultimately strong, fair and correct article! Thanks to the author!
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    13. +3
      25 November 2015 00: 40
      Quote: D-Master
      Great Writer Grishkovets. Although I do not like him for his liberal views, his talent cannot be taken away from him. And the article is excellent.

      He has a contradiction. Emigrants do not return, but does he consider himself to have returned, or is he just holding us all for suckers?
      1. -2
        25 November 2015 04: 01
        Then we expect from you an article not for "suckers", enough ..... to write something decent?
      2. 0
        25 November 2015 11: 42
        Emigrants do not return ,,,
        you just didn’t understand, they emigrated with their brains, CE Europe,
    14. +2
      25 November 2015 01: 09
      The miasma of these letters resemble ...
    15. +5
      25 November 2015 02: 29
      Quote: D-Master
      Great Writer Grishkovets. Although I do not like him for his liberal views, his talent cannot be taken away from him. And the article is excellent.

      1. In principle, I agree. Ukrainians are emigrants of Russian culture. Russian economic space.
      2. But regarding these emigre saliva, I don't even want to swear. Only Taras Bulba comes to mind with a sentence to all potential emigrants "I gave birth to you, I will kill you."

      Ukrainians are a disgrace to the Russian world.
      Internal .... external ... any kind of emigration - betrayal, if not of the country, then of the people, and even if not of the people, then the family and oneself.

      In my opinion, emigration is a crime against descendants and ancestors.
      A crime worthy of the worst punishment - deprivation of the support of ancestors and the ability to leave the continuers.
      In essence, this is death.
      And again Taras Bulba is right.
      1. +1
        25 November 2015 05: 55
        Quote: Sergey S.
        Quote: D-Master
        Great Writer Grishkovets. Although I do not like him for his liberal views, his talent cannot be taken away from him. And the article is excellent.

        1. In principle, I agree. Ukrainians are emigrants of Russian culture. Russian economic space.
        2. But regarding these emigre saliva, I don't even want to swear. Only Taras Bulba comes to mind with a sentence to all potential emigrants "I gave birth to you, I will kill you."

        Ukrainians are a disgrace to the Russian world.
        Internal .... external ... any kind of emigration - betrayal, if not of the country, then of the people, and even if not of the people, then the family and oneself.

        In my opinion, emigration is a crime against descendants and ancestors.
        A crime worthy of the worst punishment - deprivation of the support of ancestors and the ability to leave the continuers.
        In essence, this is death.
        And again Taras Bulba is right.


        Taras Bulba is right about traitors, but not all emigrants are traitors ... Let's say there are forced emigrants who have become such with the sole purpose of SURVIVING! Or, all the same, traitors and had to die in their homeland at the hands of an insane brother in anger?) Or maybe, after all, "flies apart from cutlets"? And with regard to Ukraine: why did they let it float freely to the will of hostile winds? So they blew their brains with these winds ... They need to be treated, and not to abandon them as from hopelessly sick ... Forcibly, like psychos, but certainly to treat!
    16. +1
      25 November 2015 10: 51
      Although I do not like him for his liberal views


      And what is its liberalism manifested in? I guess I don’t know Grishkovets ... (

      The article is good. And I agree with your conclusions too.
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    18. 0
      25 November 2015 12: 08
      Quote: D-Master
      Great Writer Grishkovets.

      Yeah. What is it worth: "emigrants are not returning ..." And then, himself? Yes, pro-Western Ukrainians now seem to be on horseback, celebrating victory. Let them show off. We will wait for the pendulum to swing in the opposite direction.
    19. 0
      25 November 2015 22: 06
      Great comment, thanks!
    20. 0
      25 November 2015 22: 15
      Yes, you have subtly noticed. And the author also wanted to note a small phrase in a letter from Dnepropetrovsk "... it was terribly fun ... champagne ..." and so most likely it is necessary to leave this phrase ... it was scary ... and no one champagne. Champagne is now in Ukraine or in Ukraine it is like a "Feast during the plague" And Ukraine now, the one that is Kind Rich "Nasha" with a Slavic Soul is NOT. I think it will take time for drugged and drugged people to come to their senses. And then ...
    21. +2
      26 November 2015 12: 58
      I watched Grishkovets. I don’t remember all or not all. But he is an author and a man subtly feeling the nuances of being. Now he has noticed a very true thing. It is at the level of insight. So, close the topic, boys, they are gone forever.
  2. +44
    24 November 2015 20: 49
    He shouted at last
    In an airplane burning:
    - You live, you hold out! -
    It came through the rumble.

    We flew under god
    Near the very paradise -
    He climbed a little higher and sat there,
    Well, I reached the ground.

    Met the pilot dryly
    Paradise airfield.
    He sat on his belly
    But did not crawl on it.

    He fell asleep - did not wake up,
    He sang - did not finish,
    So here I am back
    He came back, he came back
    Well, he failed.
    V. Vysotsky. Song about the pilot.
    Eternal memory to HEROES!
  3. +3
    24 November 2015 20: 50
    ...
    - leaving - leave ...
    1. +5
      24 November 2015 21: 24
      Quote: boroda64
      - leaving - leave ...

      It is not sad, but a third, if not half of Ukraine, can no longer be returned to fraternal union. They were very well brainwashed (if they were) over the past 25 years. But I do not agree with the phrase in the epigraph ... It will be more true if you say: Never say never! God works in mysterious ways!
  4. +13
    24 November 2015 20: 54
    B / Ukraine has become a cesspool, such a pit will remain for a long time, and then disappear.
    1. +18
      24 November 2015 21: 00
      Quote: Vadim237
      B / Ukraine has become a cesspool, such a pit will remain for a long time, and then disappear.
      Concrete trash with a bunch of rodents
  5. +13
    24 November 2015 20: 54
    an essay on the topic "how I spent the summer and did not get into an atom"
  6. 0
    24 November 2015 21: 02
    The brilliant material of the Master.
    1. +4
      24 November 2015 21: 06
      Quote: ODERVIT
      The brilliant material of the Master.

      not too much about Grishkovets?
      1. +5
        24 November 2015 22: 17
        Quote: U-96
        not too much about Grishkovets?

        Not. This is how to see (feel) what is really happening. And honestly write. And in fact everything is in front of the nose. And summed up. Do not add, do not diminish. This is a skill. To think such a bastard makes you. Without malice, humanly ... but after all, somewhere I clapped something.
      2. 0
        25 November 2015 20: 48
        None of your business.
  7. +4
    24 November 2015 21: 04
    all 24 years of independence, Ukraine went only on crutches (it always used the Russian language everywhere), as soon as these crutches were taken away from it, the obvious result came ...
  8. +5
    24 November 2015 21: 05
    These emigrants will write and cherish for a long time how everything is in their mind. The main thing is that they do not ask for back under any pretext !!!
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  9. hartlend
    +3
    24 November 2015 21: 08
    When they leave, so slamming the door and so burning the bridges - do not return. Relative to the blood remain, but in fact - no.

    Not all in Ukraine are blood relatives of the Slavs. In Novorossia and Slobozhanshchina, basically yes, these territories were annexed from Russia. The closer to the west, the more mixed with different bloods (read genes). You can’t deceive genetics; demagogy about democracy will not work here. This is an exact science, operates with facts.
    1. +5
      25 November 2015 01: 14
      Quote: hartlend
      Not all in Ukraine are blood relatives of the Slavs. In Novorossia and Slobozhanshchina, basically yes, these territories were annexed from Russia. The closer to the west, the more mixed with different blood


      There is another category of Russians who, by the will of fate, remained on the territory of Ukraine - the former contingent of the Carpathian and Kiev military districts, as well as their descendants. Our parents, classmates, their children stayed there after the end of military service (houses for retirees of the KVO, in particular, were built during the Soviet era in Vinnitsa, Zhitomir, Pervomaisk, Korosten, etc.). They became hostages of the situation in the first place, because. they turned out to be not only citizens of a "non-titular nation", and also representatives of "militaristic" Russia.
    2. +4
      25 November 2015 01: 34
      You can’t deceive genetics ..


      Eye color and lactose intolerance can be explained by genes.
      And the fact that a man yells "Heil !!!" - it doesn't smell like genes.
      Adopted by the Americans, the Mordovian baby will grow up one hundred percent Jack. And the very concept of Slavs (Germans, Jews, etc.) by blood is bullshit of pure water, apparently very useful to someone.
    3. 0
      26 November 2015 21: 52
      Quote: hartlend
      You can't fool genetics

      A Negro was born, Genoa was called ...
  10. +5
    24 November 2015 21: 08
    It is unlikely that these emigrants would succeed in slamming the door loudly, for them the Supreme Rada and Giblets did it. Yes, the country itself did not emigrate at all, it would be more correct to say: - it was emigrated by order of the Pentagon, which armed and financed those who did not have a homeland flag in time.
  11. +20
    24 November 2015 21: 14
    Old Soviet joke.
    Man came to Paradise. Boredom. Everything is just by the will of God, the angels sing the same songs approved by the Almighty, and so on day after day, all the same.
    Once walking in the garden, the man heard some drunken voices, laughter and other sounds of revelry. Crawled through the vegetation, and there is a fence, and behind the fence Hell. And in Hell ... Vodka, girls, revelry and debauchery. Vobschem complete fun. Then our man prayed, Lord, let him go to Hell for a day. He let go. A man walked up to a loss of consciousness, tasted revelry and debauchery, and happily clung to Paradise.
    And here again boredom began to overcome him. He asked again, again and again, and then he said. Let go, they say, Lord, for good, otherwise you have green anguish here in Paradise.
    The Lord says to him, go, but I won’t take it back.
    The man was delighted, missed the last words by his ears and rushed to Hell.
    And there the devils are waiting for him, and bare back to the pan, and to the fire. Cried man, Lord, take it back
    And he answers him, no, kasatik, you will now know how a foreign trip differs from emigration.
    1. 0
      24 November 2015 22: 31
      Cool joke, not heard before.
  12. +8
    24 November 2015 21: 16
    One to one - "old friends" began to write to me from Odessa, as if nothing had happened - insults and wild anger towards everything Russian - what's this? - enlightenment or agony
    1. +1
      24 November 2015 21: 33
      Quote: viktor561
      One to one - "old friends" began to write to me from Odessa, as if nothing had happened - insults and wild anger towards everything Russian - what's this? - enlightenment or agony

      Can you imagine what will happen next? What will happen in 10-20 years? Nothing good.
      1. +3
        24 November 2015 22: 34
        The faster they fall into a gay union, the faster they turn back. As someone said: "Until tomorrow comes, you will not understand how good it was today."
    2. +1
      25 November 2015 02: 50
      Most likely, there is no return to the account - there are still options. Our relative, with whom it was forbidden to talk about politics at the very beginning, in fear of a complete breakdown of relations, began by the way to report that everything was fine, but the communal apartment increased 10 times in comparison with those of the previous tariffs. And it seems to me that so far this is only a slight murmur.
  13. +9
    24 November 2015 21: 17
    Thanks, Eugene. Thanks, admins. Here it is. Reflection master. He explained a lot.
    How lucky I was, I deliberately and instinctively stopped at one time all attempts to entice me to "dump", I hope that never even a thought about it will arise.
    PS What a tremendous victory the Jews Satanists ... Drowned a huge piece of Russian land in g @ outside, lies and blood.
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  15. GAF
    +3
    24 November 2015 21: 19
    Psychology is not an exact science. But for the author, everything fits together. You can even understand them. The face of Kravchuk, glossy with contentment, inviting journalists "to come to them for bacon", ... Inherited from the USSR 10th economy and 4th place in the export of arms in the world. And to be on the outskirts of the Oycumene. Everyone is to blame, except for their own families. So they look over the fence to see if the neighbor's cow is still dead.
  16. 0
    24 November 2015 21: 23
    Yes, let them live on their own health, as they want and wherever they want, just ziggle and .... lei will not be able to shout for a long time for knives;
  17. -8
    24 November 2015 21: 24
    Quote: D-Master
    Great Writer Grishkovets. Although I do not like him for his liberal views, his talent cannot be taken away from him. And the article is excellent. Emigration of a whole country is very strongly said ... Only from Emigration can one return, but from Ukraine - no. Because she is no more.

    THIS FEK
  18. +3
    24 November 2015 21: 26
    Life has taught, you need to get along with all people. Your life, freedom can depend on any homeless person, in a certain scenario. And the toad crushes a two-faced comrade, he is already sick. The author, judging from his experience, correctly outlined everything.
  19. +3
    24 November 2015 21: 27
    I think the downing of the SU-24 is a distraction from Urina ... It remains only to wait. What? I don’t know. The Lord of the Sith is sure we (sorry - they) are in all arms ...
    1. +4
      24 November 2015 22: 32
      The next episode from LPNR will be "The Last Ukrainian Boiler - Full Welding"
  20. +13
    24 November 2015 21: 35
    I remember in the film "Shield and Sword", in the scene of visiting a concentration camp, children chanting: "We are doing well, we are fed well ...." Well, that's why - Hero Sala! To make their life even better lol
  21. +10
    24 November 2015 21: 37
    Quote: LEVIAFAN
    Quote: Sterlya
    Quote: Sid.74
    All contacts between the defense departments of Russia and Turkey will be repainted.

    Not quite understood the word repainted

    the star will remain, the month will be removed.

    The cruiser Moscow will occupy an area in the coastal part of Latakia. The ship is equipped with a Fort air defense system, similar to the S-300.

    All targets that may be dangerous to the aviation of the Russian Aerospace Forces will be immediately destroyed. This was stated in the Ministry of Defense of Russia.
    The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation said that henceforth all sorties of attack aircraft in Syria will be carried out under the guise of fighters. It is reported by Interfax.
    Russia has taken up the closure of the sky over Syria
  22. +3
    24 November 2015 21: 40
    What to do if we said goodbye to our country?
    To wave a hand in response, without regret, without dissuading, to stop supporting the "brotherly" people - this is their choice.
    Thanks for the story.
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  24. +2
    24 November 2015 21: 48
    emigrants do not return ...


    Nothing author, please ...

    Vernetsa over time, the territory of RI,
    TV control
    and there and ukrogabontsy pull up ...
    We’re having a meal, we’ll emigrate ...
  25. +10
    24 November 2015 21: 49
    I do not know. I do not know. My friends first asked what I think about this. Then they asked, it’s true that we sent our troops to Ukraine. To which I naturally replied that I did not know, but I did not think. If we had attracted our troops, my friends, you would not have asked such questions. And quietly and peacefully change your passports to Russian! To which my friends nodded their heads (they said so) and sighed heavily.
    And everyone asked: WHEN?
  26. +5
    24 November 2015 22: 04
    Everything is clear, everything is so. It will only be very unpleasant for me when Russia gets out of its current economic state and gets firmly on its feet, these "emigrants" will crawl out of various cesspools and with their dirty hooves will again trample our land and will smile at us.
    1. +1
      25 November 2015 01: 28
      Quote: Sergey-72
      It will only be very unpleasant for me when Russia gets out of its current economic state and gets firmly on its feet, these "emigrants" will crawl out of different cesspools and with their dirty hooves will again trample our land and will smile at us.


      Yes, and it will turn out like in that joke:
      - Hare: "Who is against me?"
      - "I" - Wolf answers
      - Hare, climbing on a tree stump next to the Bear: "Well, who is against us with the Bear?"
  27. +2
    24 November 2015 22: 12
    If EVERYONE emigrated there, then I would probably agree with Grshkovets.
  28. -4
    24 November 2015 22: 13
    Comments to the article, not a discussion of all the news. This is not a forum for you.
    1. +4
      25 November 2015 01: 37
      Quote: Dimitrakis
      Comments to the article, not a discussion of all the news. This is not a forum for you.


      And let us, please, speak out on all topical, all the more significant at the moment, similar topics - it’s painfully chilly with disturbing thoughts to wind ourselves up in silence. And here - as if he went out "to the people": you will find a word of support, and you will listen to smart people, and you yourself will sometimes say something intelligible (modestly hope).
  29. +14
    24 November 2015 22: 15
    In my heart sucks. And there's nothing to be done about it. But I don’t want to take revenge - I just want to take and cut the hell out of the infamous Erdogan head and put it on the stake, along with the boshki of all kinds of ukrognids, of which a great many have divorced. Then do the same with all sorts of clintons, mackains and other evil spirits, and tan the shackles and send them to the galleys to transport all the rabble back from Europe to Africa.
    These are my bright elven thoughts in this period of time.
    1. +1
      24 November 2015 22: 58
      Well, that's fine ...
      Quote: Ajent Cho
      These are my bright elven thoughts in this period of time.

      And this is stronger ...
      Quote: Ajent Cho
      I just want to take and cut off ...

      And the main thing ...
      Quote: Ajent Cho
      But I do not want to take revenge ...

      And me too ... That's why it is so? (purely rhetorical question)
  30. +2
    24 November 2015 22: 16
    Quote: D-Master
    Great Writer Grishkovets. Although I do not like him for his liberal views, his talent cannot be taken away from him. And the article is excellent. Emigration of a whole country is very strongly said ... Only from Emigration can one return, but from Ukraine - no. Because she is no more.

    In order to evacuate the pilots of the Russian airborne forces shot down over the territory of the Su-24m SAR today from the landing site, a search and rescue operation was conducted involving two Mi-8 helicopters. This was reported to media representatives by the head of the Main Operations Directorate of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, Lieutenant General Sergey Rudskoy.
  31. +10
    24 November 2015 22: 23
    My friends from Dill do not write to me. Last seen in April at the exhibition. I ask - how? And he - did you see fascism in the cinema? I saw - I answer. Well, that’s what he is.
    The other day I learned that he managed to transfer his company to Belgorod (he is a Kharkov citizen). He did not emigrate. He returned to his homeland.
  32. +2
    24 November 2015 22: 25
    Delivered +, but the article is not in time (IMHO).
  33. +7
    24 November 2015 22: 38
    God bless her with Ukraine, but Turkey, at least we will punish so ...
    1. +5
      25 November 2015 00: 01
      Well, why do you have to wait for blood to understand who is friend and who is enemy? Back in the 90s, they treated and gave shelter to the Chechens, and with a light heart you went to rest with them and brought them your money.
  34. +11
    24 November 2015 22: 41
    There is a wonderful addition to this article.
    LETTER TO UKRAINIANS. WARNING IMMEDIATELY - THE ARTICLE WILL BE EVIL. FOR UKRAINIANS - VERY EVEN EVIL ...
    But, anyway, I will express myself. It’s boiling up .... Two years ago, we all of Mother Russia persuaded these brothers from Ukraine-not to support the Maidan! Do not sign any integration with the EU! Do not go into the European Union, in general! .. How many friends and relatives because of this fucking European integration have quarreled to the nines ... And so? One of them listened to us ??? .. So I don’t remember that. We were insulted for this, laughed and mocked at us. They called him Asian savages, who, out of envy, wrote all this to them! ... Again they reminded us of some kind of story stolen from them ... mocked our president ... predicted to us quick death ... And so on in the same vein. Moreover, sooo aggressive key! They poked all our failures and problems in the nose as if our failures and problems were their merit. They rejoiced in our floods, fires, road accidents and accidents ... And I do not remember that at least one of them - these brothers - the Jesuits - was polite with us or, at least, entered into a normal dialogue with us.
    That was over a year ago. They jumped, looked at us, quilted jackets, from high, grinded and fanned. How come! They are almost Europeans, and we are retarded scoops for them! And nobody, I repeat - NOBODY - agreed with us.
    Next - the rebellious Donbass, ATO, the shooting of Donbass ... And again - NONE of these bitches then blundered that they did not like it !!! ..
    The question is where, then, now in Ukraine, a year later, such a number of "disagreeing" with the Kiev regime suddenly came from ??? ... A ??? ... The question is - and before where were you all, "dissent" ?? ? .. And ??? .. What do we see now, when all these European leaps have led to the collapse of the country, to the collapse of the economy, to the collapse of everything that can be destroyed? Crowds of refugees to us, Rashki and Putlerovites! .. And just a "sea" of normally adequate people in Ukraine, who (it turns out !!!) understood everything perfectly well a year ago! ...
    An interesting movie ... A year ago, why did you, the "correct" you ours, keep silent ??? ... Where were you all ??? ... Where did you all suddenly come out with your "correct" perception of what was happening? ?? ... Why were you all silent when your Armed Forces and the National Guard were shooting Donbass ???
    This is now, a year later, in Ukraine, total control of the authorities over dissent - a year ago it did not exist yet !!! .. What prevented you from being "correct" then ??? .. And for a year of your silence (read - tacit agreement with the Kiev junta) this junta got stronger, took control into its own hands, sent some Ukrainians to kill others .. And I'll tell you now - why are you silent. Or barked with us, with the Russians.
    You all until the last moment believed that a miracle would happen - and all of you, suddenly, will live a rich, beautiful, European life! .. Right in the morning !!! ... Not that we are scoops! ... Here she is a dream and idiots - without doing anything, go in one fell swoop into another life! ... A dream is good - no doubt. But what, in order to live in a European way you have to enter somewhere ??? ..
    What prevented you from building a European society with European values ​​in your own country ??? ............
    With what fright did you decide that you will be paid European salaries and pensions ??? .. Europe has gone to its prosperity for decades, but you wanted to jump for a year? .. And European pensions - you have to earn them in Europe, for years !!!. Why should Europe pay them to you? Did you pay taxes to Europe? .. No! Have you worked for Europe and its economy ?. Also no. So WHAT did you count on? What will they support you for free, just like that ??? They won’t. Europe can count money.
    1. +12
      24 November 2015 23: 13
      You were warned about the tariffs for communal apartments - you laughed in our faces. And now, when it became clear to the very last idiot that the EU does not shine for you, but only a slow extinction from the rise in prices, from the growth of "communal", from the fall of "social" , from unemployment ... you suddenly became correct at once !!!?
      Now that we are hovering over you and your efforts, you are calling us to be more tolerant, kinder to you. Say that they say it’s so hard for you, and then we add fuel to the fire, and we’re not ashamed ....
      And that’s all, mind you, for all that you didn’t bomb your cities, burn your houses, kill your children .... you didn’t survive what people in Donbass survived.
      I do not mean that you will survive all this - God forbid !!! .... But, reminding you of this - does not interfere! .. This is to the question - who has the right to what. And we HAVE this right .... We have the right to poke your nose into the results of your "gNidnost" revolution.
      It is not only Donbass that you betrayed with your silence a year ago. You have betrayed us, your Slavic brothers! ... No one else in the whole world has been touched so painfully by your "Europeanness," as we, the Russians! .. You did not throw mud at the Poles, the Germans, or the French, nor (even more so) the Americans - you were throwing mud at ONLY US!
      You all began to write and say the right thing! Suddenly, there were so many of you - you who disagree with the politics in your country !!. Where were you all ???? .. And I’ll tell you where!
      It’s you, a year ago everyone mocked us! .. You and no one else! You scoffed at our old-fashioned (for you then) values! You called us backward! You and no one else! ... And now we sympathize with you ... we invite you to live .... you complain about our life ... and we understand you ....
      You are offended when we offend you and your feelings (and I repent - not always by accident). Well, how about it! .. You have problems ... And we, because of you, silent prostitutes, you might think - they aren’t! ??? .. A whole bunch of your refugees that we should only contain !!! ...
      Scary are not evil. The indifferent are terrible. It is with their tacit consent that all crimes in the world are committed! .. Now, kaaaanechnooooo, you all understand! ... And a year ago everyone understood .... Only to us, then what? From your understanding ??? .. Donbass is broken, people who cannot be returned can die - and you tell us about your hard life ... And we arranged it for you ???? .. No! You did everything yourself. Or actions or inaction.
      1. +17
        24 November 2015 23: 19
        You are like worms - now trying to adapt to new conditions ... You will not fight! .. You are not the Donbass. Your gut is thin and sweet ... The girl who dreamed of lacy European shorts is already looking for work in Russia - among the backward, primitive, underdeveloped, Asian tribes of Russians. You will whine - how you feel bad, how bad your country is, what bastards have entrenched in the Rada ... But, beyond these complaints you will not do anything and nothing will happen. Already whining.
        And again you urge us not to "row all Ukrainians with the same brush" ...
        This is now, when all your aspirations and dreams fell into tartarara, you crawled out from under a common comb - and a year ago you were quite comfortable under it! ... I dare to think that you still hate us - because we were smarter, wiser and more perspicacious than you. But, hell, you admit this !!! !!! You, it turns out, ALL KNEW AND A YEAR BACK! .... You know, we somehow did not notice it !!! ..
        You say one thing - then you forget about what was said - then you say another and claim that you have always thought so ... But, you forget that. We are not. And now you can't pretend that everything is back to normal and we are brothers again ...
        Yes, we’re talking with you, we’re talking, we’re still worried .... There are so many groups open to support your anti-Maidan on the Internet - we are still fighting for you ....
        But, we remember - there is a shot Donbass.
        And you won’t win back even with your repentance.
        By the way, there was no repentance - and no from you ...
        Even now you will look for the guilty on the side - it has always been that way. So it will be now. You haven't changed. And those who mocked us a year ago, the Russians, and those who now “understand” everything are the same persons. Born to crawl - they will crawl all their lives ... (I write a lot of posts and articles on various forums and blogs - and I see what people write to me - so I know what I'm talking about ...)
        PS - by the way, there are not enough of you, who suddenly "have received their sight and are correct" ... For 100 ukroidiots, there will be only 5-6 people of you, no more ... The remaining 95 continue to throw mud at us .... Not France, neither Germany nor, let alone the United States, and us - Russia and the Russians ... You are not changing, Ukrainians ... you are just adapting again.
        http://worldcrisis.ru/crisis/wc_2089823 14.11.2015..
        1. +4
          25 November 2015 01: 07
          orphan 63I support. But in fairness, I must say that some people in Ukraine very quickly realized what they got into. Literally in a month or two, they still didn’t fight in the Donbass, and understanding has already come to the part ...
          1. +2
            26 November 2015 02: 46
            the non-interference is enough for the devil.
            I'm talking about recommending 5-6 people per 100.
            worst of all is what happens in the country's schools
            shit on the Russians and the history of Russia is simply colossal.
            which is curious, almost no one speaks and does not know in schools that the repressions in the 20-30s were not dispersed by Stalin (he, on the contrary, stopped them), but by local bullies like Nikita Sergeevich. No one says how much Ukraine received from the USSR and how much it lost during the period of independence. No one says that Poles, Turks, Germans, British were close to the fulfillment of the plans of genocide in Ukraine. It is clear that a teenager who hears only bad things about Russians will think so. In Ukraine, animals are raised that will knowingly and unreasonably harm the Russian Federation all their lives. And after that, more complaints?
        2. -10
          25 November 2015 16: 27
          Sirota 63 - "wonderful", this addition makes your own position and understanding of the situation.

          Essentially - govnovbros and the joy of the fact that everything turned out like someone there predicted. But to write about the fact that someone did not do something there, or did not do it as it should, maybe even the latest liberal.

          But to be able to return a huge mass of people who have been under strong ideological and worldview distortion for a long time to a normal state is not a task for weaklings. And such "wonderful additions" do not solve this issue.

          With such additions, the author and you only insult everyone! All, without exception! And reading, and those about whom the article.
          At the same time, everyone who put + these three your posts - one level with you.
          1. +5
            25 November 2015 17: 48
            But to be able to return a huge mass of people who have been under a strong ideological and ideological distortion for a long time to a normal state is not a task for wimps.

            your own position and understanding of the situation.


            Well, do not be weaklings, who's stopping you!
            Just do it at home and at your own expense. I will sincerely rejoice with you, if you suddenly succeed ......
  35. +1
    24 November 2015 22: 46
    Quote: Baikonur
    I always said about them - "It's not just that there are anecdotes about their gut-gut!" That says it all.


    don’t swear at people, they’re growing up, they want to get off our neck, it’s not from the common economic space, you shouldn’t swear at a relative who wants to live independently, tired of communicating with lapotny people, people want to go to Europe for a bright, distant dream, and you all prevent them from being happy, does this not remind anything?
    well let them go tries. if they want.
  36. +4
    24 November 2015 22: 52
    Very lyrical article. And everything connected with the lyrics is very subjective. And the fact that emigrants leave for good is very controversial, because I know emigrants who have returned. And I also know immigrants who have died. But this does not mean that I have to draw conclusions, like, emigrants always come back or emigrants always die. But, the fact that immigrants exist is true. And what happens next to them, God alone knows, because His ways are mysterious. So, let’s not anger God by claiming that emigrants do not return.
  37. +5
    24 November 2015 23: 05
    In their desire to "emigrate" from Russia, they gained such speed that they could not stop - now they want to emigrate from Ukraine.
    The infantility of the ethnos. They did not ask themselves a simple question: - And then what?
    "Then" turned out to be worse than they wanted. Now they are looking for the guilty.
  38. +4
    24 November 2015 23: 16
    Smart learn from the mistakes of others, and not very much on their own. There is nothing to add. Rolling down is always easier.
  39. +1
    24 November 2015 23: 22
    "News from Ukraine"

    UNDERSTAND THE SAME, FINALLY:

    The virus "in Ukraine", introduced in Ukraine
    http://rusmirzp.com/2013/02/13/category/society/11044

    EVERYONE whose soul has been enslaved by the spirit of UKRAINE is UKRAINE!

    UKRAINE as the most infamous betrayal of Russianness, - CAPUT !!!
    http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D3%EA%F0%E0%E8%ED%F1%F2%E2%EE
  40. -17
    24 November 2015 23: 27
    Another article that incites hatred. What for? Is this Grishkovets not by chance the fifth column in Russia? I live in Ukraine, but for some reason I don’t feel hatred for the Russians, I don’t feel the joy of the fall of the A321. Am I the only one? Yes, write at least 100500 articles on the topic "Ukraine is bad, and all Ukrainians are even worse", I still don't believe it.

    Yes, there is a negative experience for individual characters, but why transfer it to everyone?
    Yes, the power in Ukraine is anti-people, the Nazis, organized crime groups, but why bother the people?
    Yes, even you use the very name "Ukrainians" out of habit, a mistake of the Soviet era, which neither Ukraine nor Russia is in a hurry to correct, and even if you do it, it will still be for a long time. Cultural habits and vocabulary change slowly.

    Much more can be said, but why? All the same, you will hear what you want ... like in Ukraine, unfortunately.
    1. +14
      25 November 2015 01: 25
      Quote: Mantykora
      Another article inciting hatred. What for?

      Do not understand a little? Do you propose to stop hating the Ukrainian people?
      And why does Russia need this, Russian?
      What is the reason to stop hating those who promised to put me on the knives in their races?
      Or maybe you have a reason that I would stop hating those Ukrainians who did not catch the Bandera antics.
      And how do I feel about those Ukrainians who have chosen themselves rulers of the shaving for any reason in my country?

      Or were these other Ukrainians? Not you? ... Is it some OTHER Ukrainian people that brought to power that always drunk, raunchy bitch who is listed by your president?

      Ukrainians have one of the features. Vile enough. Whatever they do, they demand from others that this is exactly what they want. Neither the right attitude, nor adequate, nor fair, but only what they think is right and necessary for themselves. And, of course, they consider themselves in the right to dictate to everyone what kind of attitude should be towards them, regardless of their actions ... Well, whoever does not agree is reproached, assaulted, mocked, ridiculed, accused of anything.
      Here is one of the "accusations". Seemingly not a Russophobe, but a Ukrainian:
      Quote: Mantykora
      You will hear what you want anyway

      Mantykorafirst.
      We have the RIGHT to draw our conclusions from what we see and hear in Ukraine. Consistent with their concepts of good and evil, honor and conscience, decency and justice.
      Second: not to you, not in your "cancer" position, in the one in which you are now, to try to dictate something to the Russians, or call them to something.
      Call your fellow tribesmen to "peace and order." And it turns out that in front of our junta tongue in the ass, but we come to the Russians with attempts to blame them "for inciting hatred."

      And another, incidental question, here is this:
      Quote: Mantykora
      Yes, the power in Ukraine is anti-people, the Nazis, organized crime groups, but why bother the people?

      Does it make sense to call people living in Ukraine peopleif he allowed himself to be ruled by anti-people puppet power, the Nazis and organized crime groups?
    2. +3
      25 November 2015 01: 35
      What to call you? H.ohlami? You are offended. Although what's wrong? Little Russians? Long and too formal. Russian? You don’t want to. You separate yourself from us. Thank you for not hating the Russians, but this only means that you do not consider yourself Russian. And what kind of Russians are you after all? So tell me what to call you now?
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    4. 0
      25 November 2015 02: 09
      Quote: Mantykora
      Another article inciting hatred. What for?


      You are not quite right in evaluating the article - you are being minus for this (I do not do this, since your position, at least, is understandable).
      The author of the article outlined a trend that, unfortunately, is present - look at the objective Ukrainian statistics - 53% of Ukrainian citizens are hostile towards Russia, and an increase in negative sentiments has also been noted.
      The fact that your position does not contain aggression, and the fact that your status at VO is "a real colonel" leaves hope for a decrease in the above alarming% in Ukraine.
      But in general, as I have noted, mainly Russians in VO painfully write about the existing relations with Ukraine - this is treated like a prodigal son. But only in his schism, he somehow went far, came close to the point of no return: ((
      1. +3
        25 November 2015 11: 02
        Quote: Buchki
        But in general, as I have noted, mainly Russians in VO painfully write about the existing relations with Ukraine - this is treated like a prodigal son. But only in his schism, he somehow went far, came close to the point of no return: ((

        That is, not yet crossed? And what else must he do to cross this point of no return? Do you personally cause irreparable damage? Only then will you understand?
    5. -2
      27 November 2015 00: 50
      I agree. Grishkovets is a rare graphomaniac and relishes his graphomania.
      As for the separation of Russians / Ukrainians, if you imagine that we have overcome it, it would make us incomparably stronger. Russia was divided and is divided further. How the villages were divided not of the poor and the kulaks. So Tambov and Bryansk can be separated from Moscow and this is not as difficult as it seems. Quarrels of family people are often overcome the most difficult. Ukraine is our land and our people live there. Deceived, robbed, embittered in places, but ours.
  41. +1
    24 November 2015 23: 30
    The letters contained good stories and reports about how all is well ...

    Copied letters are evidence of massive zombies negative
  42. +2
    24 November 2015 23: 32
    I answered all letters, expressed sincere joy, and did not ask any questions, which, of course, arose by default.

    How??? What for???
    What joy can be expressed in relation to the one who sincerely wished, and still wishes you to die a shameful death in order to jump on your grave?
    Here it is the main problem - the eternal intellectual sussing, gasps and sighs about humanity and forgiveness. It was with this mumble that our troubles and millions of victims always began.
    It was it that always came to the fore instead of a clear, clear, understandable answer to frank shit pouring under the undisguised laughter of process observers.
    Well, it would seem that everything is clear, the enemy has manifested itself precisely as the enemy. So do not let it at least if there are no other opportunities to oppose it.
    But no, again on the same rake. They are people too, and maybe not bad, or at least not all, there are good ones.
    And then these good ones suddenly, unexpectedly again give the philosopher-philanthropist a snot, and he sincerely resents and wonders - how so? People, I loved you all. and you...
    1. 0
      25 November 2015 17: 52
      Here it is the main problem - the eternal intellectual sussing, gasps and sighs about humanity and forgiveness. It was with this mumble that our troubles and millions of victims always began.

      You are just like an intellectual James Joyce - a continuous stream of consciousness.
  43. +6
    25 November 2015 00: 31
    It's time to "close the topic" about ukraine. A purely personal opinion.
    1.sovereign "power"
    2. "free" and joyful citizens
    3. "legal and transparent" elections (no one was driving at gunpoint)
    4.Russia-interferes with the "development" of freedom and euro-values ​​(there were no own or forgotten)
    5. complete denial of everything Russian, more hostile to the people of the "Square"
    6. dirty tricks, blackmail, begging (threatening form)
    7. the desire to "forget everything", Tsarist, Soviet, RUSSIAN
    8. The desire for great world differentiation, but this is mania (psycho-disorder.)
    9. "greatness" of the nation and its "members
    10. all of the above-sado-Mozahist fascism
    What more to write? With whom to "dialogue"? There is a boat and oarsmen. Let them sail and row!
    RUSSIA and what? Do not step on manure and you will not smell badly! The only way.
    We, citizens, require the care and attention of the state. Crimea, in the long term, Transnistria is a superstructure on the RUSSIAN SUVOROVSK land. Profunded, overnight. Lost, return with honor Worthy!
    Today, RUSSIA, Ukraine is not on the way. Time will tell. Now internal concerns in RUSSIA are the MAIN!
  44. +2
    25 November 2015 01: 35
    Quote: SPACE
    Whether the article, fiction or reality, it doesn’t matter anyway crap, someone? Rush to argue? It may be the end of Ukraine, but neither the end of the earth nor the end of history, much is yet to come and purgatory and its own to appear.
    Z.Y. Nothing can be taken from a bear, no one can do it ...


    Tie it is time with a heavy foolishness !!!
  45. +4
    25 November 2015 02: 20
    Another nonsense aimed at arousing sympathy for the Ukrainians. They not only "write letters" to their reference points, they are already physically entrenching themselves on them and working to decompose Russian society. Conversations, as if by chance, in the metro, in the bus, in the market, in the store, convincing how good things have become in Ukraine, "how many more years must pass for the Ukrainians to forget the insults (!) Inflicted on them by the Russians" ... Well , etc. Pay attention to those around you, listen to these casual conversations. I am sure you will hear at least one a day. These are professional employees! All they need is an indemnity from Russia, from each of its citizens, starting with a baby, to sell its wealth, they need to dispose of the fate of people. Such a people with wolf teeth, but in sheep's clothing. This is not to be a surprise, "stab in the back" when subsequent events show the truth of the above. Forewarned is forearmed. And one more thing: a raven will not peck out a crow's eyes!
  46. +2
    25 November 2015 02: 33
    I can subscribe to every word of the author. A similar situation. My relatives are there. And also such caring steel, sympathetic ... They tell how wonderful life is. Only their business has gone somewhere, they don’t specify ......
  47. +2
    25 November 2015 03: 33
    But he is right. Sadly, but right! (((My acquaintances from Nikolaev wrote the same letters to me.
  48. -6
    25 November 2015 04: 26
    Quote: GRIG
    Do not understand a little? Do you propose to stop hating the Ukrainian people?
    And why does Russia need this, Russian?
    What is the reason to stop hating those who promised to put me on the knives in their races?

    And starting to hate, you become like Maydauns. Give you a little more push in response to hatred and you will already shout "Ukrainians at knives." What is the difference then? As Stalin said: "Hitlers come and go, but the German people remain."
    Quote: GRIG
    Or maybe you have a reason that I would stop hating those Ukrainians who did not catch the Bandera antics.
    And how do I feel about those Ukrainians who have chosen themselves rulers of the shaving for any reason in my country?

    Do you stop a lot of antics? Globally? Yesterday the Turks of Russia gave a shit, do you now hate the entire Turkish people? "Chosen" - do you believe in fair elections? especially if a goal is set - to choose who you want? That's not necessary about the elections - 2/3 of the country (according to statistics, they did not go to the last elections at all - has something changed?
    Quote: GRIG
    Whatever they do, they demand from others that this is exactly what they want. Neither the right attitude, nor adequate, nor fair, but only what they think is right and necessary for themselves.

    и
    Quote: GRIG
    We have the RIGHT to draw our conclusions from what we see and hear in Ukraine. Consistent with their concepts of good and evil, honor and conscience, decency and justice.

    Everyone has their own justice. Often even perverted, I agree. I do not say that in Ukraine a normal concept of justice.
    Quote: GRIG
    Second: not to you, not in your "cancer" position, in the one in which you are now, to try to dictate something to the Russians, or call them to something.
    Call your fellow tribesmen to "peace and order." And it turns out that in front of our junta tongue in the ass, but we come to the Russians with attempts to blame them "for inciting hatred."

    Transition to the individual. Do not you talk about my position and where I have my tongue. You do not know me. And the junta is not mine. And I say where there is even the slightest hope that they will hear me, not only here. You didn’t seem to listen, like so many in Ukraine.
    Quote: GRIG
    Here is one of the "accusations". Seemingly not a Russophobe, but a Ukrainian:

    Quote: housewife
    that you don’t consider yourself Russian. And what kind of Russians are you after all? So tell me what to call you now?

    The main thing is that they decided for me who I consider myself. Even in the birth certificate issued by the Union - I am Russian. Russian living in Ukraine. It just so happened. And I do not blame anyone.
    1. +8
      25 November 2015 11: 10
      Quote: Mantykora
      And starting to hate, you become like Maydauns. Give you a little more push in response to hatred and you will already shout "Ukrainians on knives."

      Eco, how cool you have painted everything about us. Directly purely on the Ukrainian mentality.
      Not lost in the intricacies of our peoples?
      The concept of "hatred" of the Russians towards the Ukrainian people is what you "introduced" here.
      The words "contempt", "disgust", do you mean anything?
      And with what fright I have to shout "Ukrainians on knives"? You, those very "Ukrainians", in fact, who am I to jump on the squares because of you? And who are you to my country?

      Quote: Mantykora
      What is the difference then? As Stalin said: "Hitlers come and go, but the German people remain."

      Yeah, just from which side does this apply to the Ukrainian people?
      Or do you imagine yourself Germans already? Like, like, Europeans? Or maybe sound German values ​​are preached and embodied, such as plowing for the good of the country, and not jumping on the Maidan?
      And can you pick up quotes from other "great" about Ukrainians, "eternal traitors"?
      Should I look for them for you, or do you know yourself?
      Quote: Mantykora
      Do you stop many tricks? On a global scale? Yesterday, the Turks of Russia did not give a shit, do you now hate the whole Turkish people?

      And what, the Turks are already jumping en masse in the squares yelling "yaku to gilyak"?
      Or maybe Turkish mothers carefully collect backpacks for their offspring so that they would go to the capital to wallow monuments to Lenin?
      No?
      So why are you worried about this? About the attitude of Russians towards the Turks?
      Or did someone appoint you to judge this relationship? Or is there a desire to dictate something here? And what does Ukraine, its people, have to do with relations between Russia and Turkey? Who are you here? Or maybe there is something really help? Or maybe there is a desire to shut up the mouth of your Turchinov about this incident? The one who started the massacre in the Donbass.
      Quote: Mantykora
      2/3 of the country (according to statistics, didn’t go to the last elections at all - has something changed?

      And what's that? Some kind of incredible, temporary merit of the Ukrainian people? This is exactly what gives you the right to demand something from the Russian people? Like "we put our heads in the sand, and therefore we shouldn't hate the Ukrainian people"? ... Isn't this argument too weak?
      Quote: Mantykora
      Everyone has their own justice. Often even perverted, I agree. I do not say that in Ukraine a normal concept of justice.

      AND? Do I understand correctly that your attempts to urge Russians not to hate Ukrainians are precisely caused by perverted Ukrainian notions of justice? Like the phrase "What about us?" now looks like "Maybe we don't need?".
    2. +9
      25 November 2015 11: 12
      Quote: Mantykora
      Transition to the individual. Do not you talk about my position and where I have my tongue.

      Do not flatter yourself. It was about the Ukrainian people standing cancer, but at the same time allowing himself to blame the Russians like hating his beloved.
      And your personality, as such, interests me a little.
      At least by the fact that he allows himself to try to "blame me" before the type of Ukrainian people for the type of my hatred for him. As if I had not seen the Kiev kids riding on bikes screaming "Putin -... la-la-la" (find a video?). As if I do not know who taught them this (the same, the Ukrainian "simple" people). Or maybe I should respect those "simple" Ukrainian mothers who lovingly gather their children to kill the children of Donbass, and then boast to their neighbors about the microwaves, refrigerators and carpets that these children wrest from the old people of the Luhansk region?
      Similar examples, about the "simple" Ukrainian people, whose lawyer you are trying to act here, I can lay out a carriage and a small cart for you ... Do you need?

      It is one thing when in your midst, among that very "simple" Ukrainian people, you explain why they hate, despise, and reject them in Russia. And it is completely different when you are trying to "force" Russians to "love and sympathy" ... By the way, once again demonstrating the ukroprinciple that everyone owes you everything.
      Quote: Mantykora
      You didn’t seem to listen

      Do not lie. We listened to your attempts. We listened and answered. And they even explained their "Thank you, we don't need anything from you," especially in terms of your instructions on how we should "correctly" relate to the Ukrainian "common" people.

      And yes, I repeat my question.
      Give a real reason not to despise, not reject, not hate what you call the "simple" Ukrainian people.
    3. +6
      25 November 2015 13: 32
      Why was my quote so torn? Where is the beginning of the sentence? Namely, it is clear from him why you do not consider yourself Russian! Despite what is written there in the passport. If "buffalo" is written on the cage with a tiger, don't believe your eyes! If someone looks like a cat, walks like a cat, meows like a cat, then this is a cat, not a dog. And you were not indignant, well, so, by chance, when the farion was broadcasting that the Russians were there, and there shouldn't be Russians in Ukraine. And there shouldn't be any Russian names! There should not be Mashenka, but only Marichka. If I lived there, I would have followed her advice, yes - I would have packed my bags and hit the road to my dear Russia! Yes, I may be a coward, but I would not dare to live among the fascists. And everything suited you then and, therefore, now. And I do not recognize any Ukrainians by nationality, only by the Ukrainian cockroaches in my head. Who is a Russian by passport? And who is on the brains?
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    5. +1
      25 November 2015 17: 56
      And I say where there is even the slightest hope that they will hear me, not only here. You didn’t seem to listen, like so many in Ukraine.

      Well, if they don’t listen to you anywhere: neither here nor there, it means that you are neither here nor here.
    6. 0
      25 November 2015 22: 12
      Yanukovych comes and goes, but the Ukrainian people remain!
      The fact is that the Yanukovych remained, and the people leave, come.
  49. 0
    25 November 2015 04: 27
    Quote: Buchki
    Ukrainian statistics - 53% of Ukrainian citizens are hostile to Russia

    Believe Ukrainian statistics - do not respect yourself. There is a lie, there is a big lie, and there are statistics. 20-30% can and will believe. 50% still do not care, the rest ... But I do not pretend to be absolute numbers.
    Quote: Buchki
    Your position does not contain aggression

    I try to restrain myself, for which I tried to call in my first post. Because hatred, narcissism of many comments begin to resemble the Censor on the other hand. What I tried to pay attention to, and not to blame.
    Quote: Buchki
    for this you are minus

    Let the minus, this is not the worst thing in life. I am not a banknote.
    Quote: 1536
    it became good in Ukraine, "how many more years must pass for the Ukrainians to forget the insults (!) inflicted on them by the Russians" ... Well, and so on. Pay attention to those around you, listen to these casual conversations. I am sure you will hear at least one a day.

    Where do you live? In Ukraine? Something I didn’t hear such conversations “it became good in Ukraine” “in the subway, on the bus, in the market, in the store ... If you take the market, then there is a selected Russian mat on the topic“ life has become good ”. The rest of the comment is nonsense from a Ukrainian TV, and not private conversations of the majority.
    1. +2
      26 November 2015 22: 30
      Dear Mantykora. The VO rules prohibit multiple minus comments, even for commentators like you. Try to understand the reaction of those who minus your posts. We are not interested in what the Durko patients think, who have used the open door due to an oversight of the staff. A duty of politeness makes you answer. You just have to "... wash, inject and forget." Everyone will be better.
  50. +2
    25 November 2015 04: 32
    From me the emigrant turned out to be involuntarily ... It so happened ...
    Yes, indeed, by and large, the author has correctly described the majority ... that I often have to deal with.
    But there are others ... But we are few.
    Those who continue to love their homeland, whatever the negative happens. Those who want the legal successor of the USSR to become the strongest and leading power in the world, once again uniting the Slavs ...
    I regret that most of my friends from Ukraine have become "maydanuty" ... And the connection with them somehow melted ... But there were others who did not accept and did not accept, and will never accept qiu new derzhava.
    Maybe this is for the best ...? Maybe sooner or later there will be a cleansing ...? I would like to believe. But so far, it doesn’t work out.
    "Duren dumkoyu bagatie" ... That's how my friends are Ukrainians ...
    How many did not tell them about the problems of survival in the States, do not ... They do not believe ...
    All tourists are in awe of the States ... (((

    And yet...
    The most "patriotic" Ukrainians (not all, of course, but the majority) dream of leaving Ukraine ....
    404 ... that country, that people ... (((
    They continue to believe in a fairy tale, as in the 91st ... (((
    1. +1
      25 November 2015 18: 09
      There are positive people who are creating.
      You cannot create anything by denying everything. Such is the "culture" of Ukrainians, through "not" - we do not:
      1. not Russia
      2. not Russian
      3. not Orthodox
      4. not Muscovites
      5. not the Poles
      6. who does not jump that mosk.
      7. this is not our ... history, literature ..
      etc. etc.
      Now that they have "proved" to themselves, including us, it remains to prove to themselves - who are they?
      Who are you..? I do not ...
      Are you ..? I do not ...
      This is the Great Void, the Black Hole into which Consciousness has flowed.
      -----------
      Pay attention to this.
      1. 0
        26 November 2015 02: 48
        one of the famous wrote that nihilism testifies to the wretchedness of attitude.
  51. +6
    25 November 2015 04: 45
    All these qualities apply not only to Ukraine, but also to neighbors on the site, at the entrance, or in general often happen in the same family. This is a problem for a person in general. When a personality does not have an internal foundation, ideals, core, then such a person constantly crumbles everywhere. His everything time tilts and sways somewhere. This happens when there is no spiritual foundation. The basis is born by close communication in the family, upbringing in society and the quality of education. If society is untied and free, then an empty society is created there, which has weak morality and a lack of ideals, a disregard for history and shrines, and only a constant desire for money. Everyone for everything don't care. Hollowness dominates. So, introspection is good, but is it necessary to torture yourself for the sake of empty-hearted creatures?
  52. +6
    25 November 2015 04: 55
    The author hit the nail on the head. Only I have relatives in Sweden. They live in some kind of wilderness, there is not enough money for food, and the show-offs seem to live in paradise. And the main thing and similarity with Khokhlaland is that the main villain is Putin, they are simply obsessed with him.
    1. +1
      25 November 2015 05: 24
      I have the same thing here... Apart from Putin, nothing exists... Like zombies, by God... Talking about anything is useless...
      What’s sad is that Russia has enough of the same “patriots”...
      Just talk about what you don’t like and what’s bad...
      And how to do “good”... with justification... in a socio-economic concept, where everyone will feel good - so about this... - they have no idea... just wishful thinking...: “No, no, we we want it today! No, no, we want it now!"...
      1. 0
        26 November 2015 02: 51
        the same thing happened in Germany after the unification by Bismarck at the end of the 18th century.
        And in their memoirs, they later grieved very much that they could not be better, cleaner, and that this led them to a colossal collapse.
  53. +4
    25 November 2015 05: 15
    The crests’ plan to squeeze Russian tourists out of Turkey has been exceeded, now on the beaches of Turkey there will be drunken cries like Glory to Urina or the like, there is a place for the right sector to rest and gain experience from the ISIS. States that directly help terrorists are beginning to emerge clearly. Europe will tremble soon.
    1. +1
      25 November 2015 13: 37
      Unless the Turks and ISIS confuse them with the Russians.
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  54. 0
    25 November 2015 05: 22
    a sentimental article, and if you remember Horace, it goes something like this: “Love not what you want to love, but what you can, what you have...”
  55. +5
    25 November 2015 05: 42
    I largely agree with the author. My father lives in Ukraine and my half-brother (on my father’s side). My father behaved much the same way. I tried not to argue with him. At first he divided me and himself along national lines. He said literally: “You Russians... We Ukrainians...”. And the fact that he is my father does not cause dissonance for him. Further more. In the end, he agreed that I and two of his children living in Russia are fascists. However, like all our other citizens. That's it.
  56. +4
    25 November 2015 05: 52
    The article certainly has a certain meaning, but the conclusions are not entirely correct. As Saltykov (not Shchedrin) once wrote to Elizabeth 2 (in his own words because I don’t remember it word for word), they say, Mother Empress, in Russia, two out of ten are traitors, the other two are patriots, and the remaining six are like sovereigns. The sovereign is a patriot and they are patriots, the sovereign is a traitor, and so are they. What has changed? They were shouting the other day on the Maidan that in Ukraine there are 10% of real patriots, and the remaining 90 are b...dlo! So, what has changed? Therefore, talking about fraternal people who have ceased to be fraternal is, in principle, a waste of time. Pure pragmatics: 20% is “knifed” (not figuratively), 20% is still ours, and the remaining 60, in six months a year the media will convert for a sweet soul, that’s the whole recipe.
  57. +3
    25 November 2015 08: 00
    I downvoted the article. Very well, competently, stylishly written provocation. It catches the revs. The whole country is in exile! What a country! A piece of Russian land, a considerable part of the Russian people. This is exactly what our ancient enemies have been trying to achieve for at least the last hundred years, first from the island and then from overseas. It was they who invented the concept of “self-determination of small nations,” which was designed to destroy the geopolitical competitors of the British Empire - Russia, Germany and Austria-Hungary. And it would have destroyed it if it had not been for the miraculously rising USSR from the ashes.
    Comrades! Remember that separatism in any of its manifestations primarily plays into the hands of our enemies. When you write “to hell with this Ukraine,” when you use words like “dill” and “vatnik,” overseas political strategists receive government awards. This means they did everything right. Don't play into the enemy's hands!
    At the same time, no one is saying that we must put up with the current Ukrainian fascist regime. Only the corrupt, foul-smelling bunch in power does not mean the whole people. Not much time has passed in Russia since the days of Bori the drunk, who without looking signed the sale and destruction of Russia, its industry, economy, and infrastructure. And many of us should then ask the question: where have you been? why was it allowed? Anyone who was at the “White House” in Moscow on August 19-21, 1991 will remember: the situation there was not much different from the notorious Maidan. And the drunks, who imagined themselves to be superheroes and climbed onto tanks with armored personnel carriers, became the First Heroes of Democracy. Posthumously. And all their heroism - they ate more free vodka than the rest. Let us, before sending entire countries into exile and judging nations by individuals, let’s not forget about our own logs in our own eyes.

    And once again, to consolidate: we will not succumb to separatist sentiments, no matter how difficult it may be. Our strength is in unity. I don’t know how it is in schools now, but older people will remember: at the very first school lesson on September 1, in the first grade, they taught a parable about how it is easy to break a broom one twig at a time, but it is impossible when all the twigs are together. If we give up Ukraine now, we will be next.
  58. +5
    25 November 2015 08: 09
    When I read the article, I admired Grishkovets. Such a clear and apt analogy! Drive dill out of our lives! ... The comments have cooled down, thanks to their authors. My entire life experience (of course, cannot be compared with the author’s, but I still rely more on my own) speaks of something else.
    How is it that they don’t return from emigration?
    And Alexei Tolstoy, and Bilibin, and Solzhenitsyn and many others? They're coming back, of course. Not all. But to state so categorically “they never return from emigration” speaks of a one-sided vision.
    My relatives, who have roots in Germany, left for their historical homeland in the 90s. Now they are thinking of returning.
    Another example from life. There are relatives in the Donetsk region. Yes, they are interested in personal affairs, and they talk about their own. No gloating or posturing. To the questions “how are you?” They answer sadly - “it’s fine, but it’s been better.”
    I have friends in Kyiv. People are like people. They speak Russian and are not hostile. Politicians prefer not to talk about topics. And so there are many topics.
    So why the panicky mood of the author of the article? Essentially, what is he calling for? Condemn humanitarian aid to Donbass and Novorossiya? Condemn the actions of the militias? Break the remaining ties in Ukraine? Is it moral to trample on everyone who lives in Ukraine and openly gloat over their troubles? Destructive, don't you think?
    And in general, how can one make such global conclusions about the entire people and their future history based on the events of 3 years?
  59. +3
    25 November 2015 08: 12
    Great article. I immediately appreciated the correspondence with a classmate who left for Ukraine in a different way.
  60. +1
    25 November 2015 09: 08
    H.z. but personally, it seems to me that such messages and calls were made clearly according to a manual and according to some kind of plan. And the randomly sent message, in my opinion, only confirms this.
  61. 0
    25 November 2015 09: 27
    Excellent article from Evgeny Grishkovets. They really just want bad news from Russia, or better yet terrible news, to the point of shaking in their knees. And we need to do everything in our power to prevent such news from happening.
  62. +1
    25 November 2015 10: 53
    Grishkovets is an opportunistic opportunist. For example, he considers the “annexation” of Crimea to be Russian aggression and DOES NOT UNDERSTAND why it was necessary...

    But I don’t understand who constantly posts topics on VO from unverified authors?! A superficial look is not appropriate here.
  63. +3
    25 November 2015 11: 03
    Good psychoanalysis. Well done author. I would also like to thank the main Ukrainian - Petro Poroshenko. It is through his efforts that Russia’s agriculture, and now energy, is improving.
    The most important way he helped Crimea was its blockade. It is in the extreme situation of a military siege or economic blockade that a STRONG, SELF-CONFIDENT CIVIL SOCIETY is created. It is in a situation of blockade that the self-government bodies necessary for the region will be created, and honest and capable managers will be tested. All the riffraff will come out and be eliminated. Keep it up!
  64. +3
    25 November 2015 11: 46
    "...I think that Crimea was completely annexed. And this is terrible!
    I think that that Crimean referendum was completely illegal..." Grishkovets from 4.09.2014/XNUMX/XNUMX
  65. +4
    25 November 2015 11: 50
    There was one military unit in the depths of the Kostroma forests. This was in the early 90s.
    Warriors often visited our home. My father and I will open some homemade stew for a snack and sit.
    There were two Ukrainians. In my opinion, they didn’t stand out in any way; I didn’t observe anything hostile.
    It's okay, all brothers.
    But the time has come, and they rushed towards themselves. The senior in rank (he had completed some kind of military service) said that meeting Russians in the service... would not seem like much.
    Who knows, but I drew conclusions about these “brothers”.
  66. 0
    25 November 2015 12: 14
    A very subtly psychologically written article. Bravo Grishkovets...I say this as a psychologist. I also received letters from friends and relatives from Ukraine, I also vaguely felt something, but I couldn’t comprehend it the way Evgeny did. Bravo! It became clearer and somehow easier, although sad
  67. 0
    25 November 2015 13: 02
    Well written by Evgeniy. He always feels very subtly. I trust the person.
  68. VS
    +1
    25 November 2015 13: 13
    The site is more and more reminiscent of the former guru.ua, with biased comments from sofa “onizhedeti”. When comments on the guru were turned off, the site became a fairly normal news site, albeit politicized, sometimes not “adequate”, but quite readable - and this is their big plus. I wish the same for this site...
  69. 0
    25 November 2015 13: 15
    Find and pin everyone who is guilty of this terrorist attack!!! Erdogan is not an adequate mutant at all, all his actions and speeches testify to the diagnosis!
  70. +1
    25 November 2015 13: 17
    As for me, I would be completely calm about Ukraine’s departure to the West, if not for one thing - their desire to spoil Russia more. They did everything too boorishly. You might think someone was holding them? Yes, it was unpleasant, but no one was going to make a tragedy out of it. It was simply necessary to act humanly. Why such radicalism (for the sake of feces).
  71. +4
    25 November 2015 13: 21
    My late father (originally from Lutsk, Volyn region) had an expression about his fellow countrymen - May Penenians May Kohanya, Nima Penenians Nima Kohanya (there is money, there is love, there is no money, there is no love) corrupt bastards.
  72. +3
    25 November 2015 13: 53
    Today, remembering my years of service, I am surprised at my myopia. We seemed to laugh at the “Ukrainian weirdness” of our fellow crests. But when in the early 90s they left “in batches” to serve in the Armed Forces of Ukraine and from there they sent stories about their lives, then the first bells were already heard about their disdain and arrogance towards Russia. But then we chalked it up to the pranks of our younger brothers.
    And now I had to face the rabid anger of some of my former colleagues towards Russia. Not to me personally, but to Russia. Some also visited the ATO zone. ...Not sure. that they wouldn't pull the trigger even if they saw me in the sights. Today Ukraine is not a country, but the majority of its inhabitants are more potential opponents, not brothers.
  73. 0
    25 November 2015 14: 14
    ENOUGH THE CEREMONY. It's time to close Novorossiya and its people from the United States and its jackals. This question is now of fundamental importance. Stop talking about words!!!
  74. 0
    25 November 2015 14: 38
    I don’t agree with the author. His conclusions relate to a very specific social group with which he is associated. His resentment is understandable, as is his emotional state. But not only his former friends, a pseudo-intelligent party, live in Ukraine. I want to understand the author’s theses without emotion. I’ll start with - Conversations and incantations that we are fraternal peoples, that there is no one closer to us and that rapprochement and the return of a confused and deceived Ukraine are inevitable - all this is nonsense. Citizens of Ukraine are peoples, not people. Ukrainians live there, who until the 20s were not Ukrainians and did not know that there was such a people, Russians, many Jews, Armenians, Greeks, etc. My mother’s family until the 20s was the Taranovs , and then Taran with the entry in the Soviet passport as Ukrainian. Now from an ethnic, genetic point of view, Russians and Ukrainians are one people, science testifies to this. The Ukrainian and Russian languages ​​have the same structure and their complete separation will require more than one hundred years, and even then condition of isolation and isolation. Without a doubt, there is also historical, cultural and civilizational unity. Destroying all this overnight is an impossible task despite all the efforts of the current Kiev government. Therefore, today we are talking primarily about politics and economics. This is what divides. But politics is changing and sometimes quickly, in a historical context, and the economy determines the consciousness of the people. All these are variable and temporary factors, and the above are of a fundamental nature. Therefore, close interaction between our peoples, despite the current crisis, is inevitable. Moreover, there are also multiple family ties. So why such a problem arose. First, I mean the new time, the division was facilitated by the policy of the Bolsheviks, who created the Ukrainian Socialist Republic with all the attributes of a state. The prevailing idea and ideology was to create a socialist national entity, but part of a socialist union, in the ruined statehood of the Russian Empire. In 1991, a new division took place from the Soviet Union. The idea and ideology of the new state was approximately similar. To build a national, but now capitalist state, on the negation of the Soviet, socialist. This is where a significant snag occurred for the new Ukrainian elite. To build a mono-national state in 24 years did not succeed and will not succeed. Slogans - the nation is ahead of everything, nothing more than a shock of air. There is no nation and even if there is one, it will not be very soon. My conclusion is this: the Russian and Ukrainian peoples. In fact, one people are doomed in the historical perspective to live together ,maybe in different countries. Today's ideologists of discord and politicians - all sorts of Yatsenyuks, Poroshenkos, Turchinovs - are not the elite of the people in the best sense. And they are doomed. Therefore, today’s misunderstanding of some Ukrainians and hostility towards us will inevitably pass, which does not mean that we should be calm and wait for everything to calm down. Our task is to hit people’s faces in full, in the sense of the media, and if necessary, in person ,to all the Maidanists and Svidomo.
    1. +1
      25 November 2015 14: 46
      Quote: Theseus
      and the economy determines the consciousness of the people.

      Topknot?
  75. +2
    25 November 2015 14: 54
    Quote: bovig
    , but not all emigrants are traitors... Let's say there are emigrants under duress who became such for the sole purpose of SURVIVING! Or were they still traitors and should have died in their homeland at the hands of their mad and angry brother?) Or maybe, after all, “flies are separate from cutlets”


    That’s it, the flies are separate, and the cutlets are separate.
    I made my own choice between my FATHERLAND (in which I was born and lived) and another, foreign homeland, in which at that time it was more convenient, more satisfying, more comfortable to live..... Yes, for God's sake, you have the right. He fell down, well, the flag is in your hands, go on your way, goodbye....
    And the reasons for your choice are absolutely not important, or rather, the reasons for your choice are not interesting to anyone except you. The fact is important.
    Just when you leave, leave, and leave for good - renounce citizenship, sell your apartment and other property, close your business.... Leave completely, “entirely, completely.” You can come as a visitor if someone invites you, or you can come as a tourist if no one wants to invite you.
    But do not demand love, friendship and respect from those who remained in what was for you, but still beloved and dear to us. By your choice you have deprived yourself of this right.
    By and large, all the remaining Houses will quickly forget about you, they won’t care about you. hi
  76. 0
    25 November 2015 16: 10
    Well written. But why step on the rake a second time and resume communication with those who already showed their rotten souls a year ago? She died, so she died... Why engage in sadomasochism and communicate with the wretched again? Well, they don’t like Russians and Russia, they want to jump around and shout chants - let them, the poor ones. Let them communicate with each other and cherish dreams of their own greatness...
  77. 0
    25 November 2015 16: 22
    Deja vu for some reason
  78. +2
    25 November 2015 16: 23
    An excellent analogy with emigration.
    I have relatives from Ukraine visiting me now. They don’t watch local TV, they watch our TV via the Internet. Quite adequate.
    But they live there. They don’t want to shrink. For now they can live normally there.
  79. 0
    25 November 2015 16: 43
    How touchingly written, but excuse me... Isn’t that how we behave towards Europeans? I don’t want to generalize, much, very much is alien to us, but somehow we quickly realized it all.
  80. 0
    25 November 2015 17: 28
    I experience something similar myself, a native of Dnepropetrovsk, already a Russian for 46 years. But acquaintances, friends and relatives are all there. You can't step into the same water twice
  81. 0
    25 November 2015 19: 24
    That would be true, but the news about Ukraine is not about “them”, it’s about us. You won’t leave your sister or brother, even if he goes crazy. You go out and God willing, everything will return to normal. You just need a good doctor. To speed up the healing process.
  82. 0
    25 November 2015 22: 08
    Evgeny Grishkovets has always been special.
    This article of his is the thoughts of a sensitive person.
  83. 0
    25 November 2015 22: 49
    interesting essay, thanks to the author
  84. +2
    25 November 2015 23: 12
    The first person who wrote the truth, the truth. "They won't come back"! We don't need them. Because they are traitors, because... they are not Russian in spirit. And I am outraged by our politicians who tirelessly assert: “we are one people, we are brothers...” Traitors are not brothers! And don’t write off a single penny to them! For anger, for envy, for betrayal... Or maybe they weren’t brothers...
    1. 0
      25 November 2015 23: 27
      And don’t write off a single penny to them! For anger, for envy, for betrayal... Or maybe they weren’t brothers...

      All this was already described by Gogol in the story “Terrible Revenge”.
      About the brothers...
      1. +2
        26 November 2015 02: 58
        Bismarck wrote approximately the same thing at the same time after his visit to Ukraine.
        Tirpitz wrote that after communicating with the Ukrainians, his mood deteriorated for a long time and any respect for the local residents completely disappeared. I want to note that this was said by completely outsider Prussians.
  85. +1
    26 November 2015 07: 28
    Having betrayed once, he will betray again!..
  86. 0
    26 November 2015 08: 59
    Evgeniy wrote what many have gone through. Many relatives in Ukraine stopped talking to us at first, there are those who brought food to the Maidan, but now they have already begun to come to their senses. Try to get in touch again, complain about life, about the fact that you didn’t get what you dreamed of, etc.
  87. +2
    26 November 2015 09: 20
    I remember how people’s artist Mikhail Kazakov rushed to Israel in the 90s. At the airport he gave an interview for TV. They say there is only one thing left in Moscow, there is no one to play for and no one to play with, all decent people have already left the Soviet Union, he is the last of the Mohicans. He returned, however, quietly, no interview, no apology. Who after this?
  88. 0
    26 November 2015 09: 29
    How deeply written!!!! There's a lump in my throat. And that's it really!!!!!! The same trick with people from Ukraine!!!! The swearing messages are over... Now they write because it’s not easy for them. They just look back and see WHAT they were doing, they don’t want to.
  89. 0
    26 November 2015 10: 55
    OK then. We waved our hand at THEM: “Come on, goodbye.” And try to return these drugged, and more confused and intimidated former brothers to an adequate state? Personally, I don’t know what can really be done. There are also those who disagree.
  90. 0
    26 November 2015 11: 06
    The article is interesting, but I feel sorry for the Ukrainians
    I once had the opportunity to visit such immigrants, precisely those who left “from problems” in search of a better life, and did not go to study or work for a while.
    It was a “Russian party”, people who had been living in a foreign country for 10 years, of course, became similar to the locals - lifestyle, customs, even the use of English words in conversation, which here in Russia bothered me then, there, it’s inevitable - when they left here in the 90s, we simply did not have the words that came along with the market economy and globalization...
    In general, the feeling is that there used to be a fun party here, but something happened and now you are present at an investigative experiment, when everyone has to mechanically repeat everything that he did before the tragedy - everyone present does what all people do at parties - communicate , they eat, they dance, but their eyes are dull and empty, they seem to be dressed creatively, and their clothes seem to be quite good, but everything is somehow dirty. They feel bad, having left they didn’t gain anything, at least it would have been easier for them at home, the houses around are all their own, but here they are strangers
  91. 0
    26 November 2015 13: 45
    Grishkovets is handsome, as usual. Russian intelligentsia. I feel sorry for the Ukrainians. who forgets his history fights for other people's interests....
  92. 0
    26 November 2015 13: 51
    Hatred begets hatred. I agree that there is no need to become like the maydauns. After all, there are thousands of dissenters in prisons and in damp soil. And what did Russia do to prevent the formation of a pro-American junta in Ukraine? They knew that the Maidan performance had been prepared for a long time and did nothing. Why didn’t Russia openly declare that Ukraine is a fascist state, why don’t your human rights activists defend the rights of political prisoners in Odessa, Kharkov…. Half-hearted and cautious statements yielded nothing. Initially, we had to call everything by its proper name. Coup d'etat - yes, there are dozens of them around the world, but in Ukraine there is fascism in its purest form. There are millions of people who disagree in the country - but behind them there are hunters with weapons and people don’t want to die - maybe it’s cowardice, it’s up to anyone to interpret it. I am not Russian by origin - I am Russian by spirit.
  93. +2
    26 November 2015 15: 35
    I live in the Far North, everyone, I emphasize... all my friends and acquaintances (including me) have relatives or friends in Ukraine. So, of them, one half stopped communicating altogether and the other half calls and writes only if they need money.....
  94. 0
    26 November 2015 18: 29
    Thanks to Grishkovets for explaining to me the incomprehensible behavior of my friends from Ukraine, who “closed themselves” after Crimea and suddenly (!) showed up now, telling and showing how wonderful they live.
  95. 0
    26 November 2015 23: 32
    Are they not returning from emigration? ...But you are back...
    In general, a good article, and it makes a lot of sense. But I will still comment on it in the words of our great poet Talkov:

    The sun goes west
    But in order to be born again he hurries to the east.
    To the East...
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  97. +3
    27 November 2015 18: 19
    Well done author! And my thoughts are similar to his: the Ukrainians died. More precisely, it’s not even like that: those who were previously Ukrainians were divided into Ukrops and Russians. If you are not Russian, then you are a dill. That's the whole truth, whether someone likes it or not. And we have nothing in common with dill. I may say it rudely, cruelly, but the essence of this transformation of Ukrainians into dill lies in betrayal and in a fierce reluctance to admit it, when no one gave the coveted 30 pieces of silver. This is the fate of all traitors - they are always abandoned, be it one person or many people. And traitors always end badly, but the dill don’t want to admit that either.
  98. +1
    27 November 2015 18: 54
    Interesting article. And the conclusion is interesting. That's probably true.
  99. 0
    27 November 2015 19: 04
    Another country, different people. Once upon a time, the Russian prince Alexander Nevsky inflicted serious damage on the Western dog-knights and did not allow himself to be fooled by the papal legates. And almost at the same time, another Russian prince, Daniil Galitsky, accepted the crown and all sorts of promises from the head of the Catholic Church. After 1654 Once again the fraternal people were reunited, but apparently some kind of wormhole still remains from that distant XNUMXth century...pulling to EUROPE!

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