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I want to share a discovery, the essence of which I have been thinking about for a long time, and I realized that I want to speak on this subject. To some, my thoughts will seem obvious, to someone, on the contrary. But speak out. In addition, I have not spoken on Ukraine for a very long time.


A year and a half ago, my phone book lost many dozens of numbers starting with + 38. Ukrainian friends, acquaintances, colleagues and even friends from different cities of Ukraine disappeared from the list of those whom I can call and who can call me. I met one of them regularly during annual and frequent tours. With someone else more often. And with someone sometimes corresponded. But under the general rumble and chorus of curses addressed to me after the text “Neevropeets” and after what I wrote about Odessa, almost all my Ukrainian counterparts disappeared from the field of my communication, friendship and friendship. Someone inflicted palpable spiritual wounds, someone disappeared with resentment. But more were just curses and spits. Moreover, one-sided ... In my address. There are very few, literally about a dozen people with whom relationships have survived, only strengthened and became incredibly careful to each other.

But in general, from the side of Ukraine there was a dead silence.

And suddenly…

Somewhere in the middle of July, I first received one message, then another, and the third ... I began to write from Ukraine, not speaking with each other, people from different cities who did not know each other. I even had to ask someone, they say, who it is, because parting with me more than a year ago, they sent such curses to me that I deleted them from the phone book.

And so to me in the summer began to write ten two people. And their letters were not just peaceful, but of some literally blissful content. And they were written as if we had said goodbye yesterday and agreed to sign off today. As if there were not those most terrible words, threats, insults and heavy curses. Even in these letters, in all, there was no reconciliation ... There was no question of reconciliation. What reconciliation can there be if there is a quarrel? Why apologize if no one offended anyone? ...

The letters contained good stories and reports about how all is well ...

From Odessa they wrote about how beautiful the summer is, how good the weather is, how great they were and they built Arkady, what wonderful concerts they had and how many good girls walk around the city. We were pleased to write about the new governor, praised him. From Kharkov it was reported that they had finished the renovation of the house, and that it was very good to have settled in it, that a very good new bar had opened, and that the mood was wonderful. Photos from the party were sent from Dnepropetrovsk, where everything was scary fun, lots of champagne and all kinds of luxury. From Kiev, too, sent photos from the event - the presentation of the seventh model BMW. And so on, in the same vein from Lviv, Zhytomyr, Zaporozhye.

There is no hint in the letters that, they say, look, you thought that we were going to go out of business and go bankrupt, but we did manage to cope with everything and live it happily. Not! In all the letters there was only one thing: we live very well, everything is in order, we have a full life. I did not see any dirty trick or bragging in these letters.

Of course, I was glad ...

But at the same time, these letters produced some strange impression ... They came from very different people, but they began to come at about the same time and with the same content. I saw in this some kind of tendency, some kind of general impulse. They were written, driven by the same desire ...

The letters were friendly, even friendly in content and form. But there was not a hint of reconciliation, regret about the once uttered curses and cruel evil. I answered all the letters, expressed sincere joy, and did not ask any questions, which, of course, arose by default. And I, of course, did not recall the circumstances and the reasons for our break.

The wave of these letters soon subsided ... And I still thought, what was the reason for them, and what does not bother me?

And then another wave of letters from the same people began. These were letters that contained sincere sympathy ... Well, for example, of this kind: several people wrote to me that they were worried about the terrorist danger that hung over Russia due to the fact that our troops launched an operation in Syria. They wrote me to be careful. I received many sympathetic messages, as well as sympathetic questions about the bankruptcy of Transaero. Like, did it affect me? Like, very sorry for the people. Well, and so on. That is, I saw that my counterparts carefully monitor what is happening in Russia and react to all the big and small troubles.

In connection with the death of our aircraft in Egypt, I received many messages with the most sincere condolences. I responded in the sense that, I believe that I do not need to send condolences, because this is a common tragedy and trouble. Then he received several messages with regrets about the doping scandal around our athletes.

I thought for a long time, what do all these letters remind me of? They remind me very much ... Such letters were already in my life.

And suddenly I understood! I understood and wondered why I did not immediately guess.

This, of course, reminds me of what letters emigrants write. All these messages of my Ukrainian acquaintances demonstrate absolutely emigrant behavior. Yes, I myself remember in myself the same mood and the same desires. I had the experience of trying to emigrate.

Yes, it is the emigrants, that is, those people who leave a certain cultural and geographical historical space, and most importantly, parting with their former way of life, while parting, loudly slam the door ... And before slamming the door, they bile for a long time about the world in which they had to live and have to ... Who leave, leave, fly away forever, which sever all ties with meat ...

It is absolutely necessary for them to be confident in their own rightness, in the correctness of their decision. They are convinced that they are making a step towards a better life, to the life of which other nations, other countries and whole continents live. They can not and do not want to live as they lived. All, without exception, that binds them to their former way of life, makes them disgusted and angry.

They take their step and find themselves in a position that they have not expected at all. The world that seemed to them to be friendly, fair, in which they saw their place and their life, suddenly turns out to be completely different, and most importantly, this world in reality is not at all friendly and not at all glad to see the newcomers. At all!

And the emigrant who has no way back, because he slammed the door too loudly ... But he doesn’t want this way back, he destroyed the way back, he burned the bridges and was happy looking at how these bridges are burning ... He finds himself in rather humiliating, indefinite, unsettled, disenfranchised and very, very prolonged situation without any intelligible way out of it and without even any worthy prospects. Perspectives of justice, prosperity and dignity.

When an immigrant realizes himself in such a situation, he is in a state of surprise for a while. This surprise is replaced by indignation, indignation is replaced by disappointment, and then, like someone, longing comes, or a person begins to adapt to the circumstances, which he himself has arranged.

But the most painful for a person in such a situation is the recollection of how he slammed the door, about what he was driven by what illusions and hopes he parted with his past life, about what he had done, leaving his past life. These memories are tormenting, and the question “for what was it done?” Simply torments. I watched it in many immigrants and watched it in myself when I thought that I left my homeland forever.

And then there comes a strong desire to somehow calm down and somehow live in what he has arranged for himself.

I myself wrote letters about how good I am. And how many letters from many and many of my classmates, classmates, peers and fellow countrymen who went home at the beginning of 90's all over the world!

The more depressing, the more hopeless and hopeless the situation was, the more complacent and cheerful letters were written to me ... But they didn't invite me to visit. Like my Ukrainian counterparts.

The next desire, typical for an emigrant, is to follow the newsthat come from the former world and life. This news is necessary. And the bad news is needed, and better, the terrible news. You need to know that everything is bad there, life is terrible, despotism and lawlessness, that everything is on the verge of a great disaster, and this disaster is about to happen. And all sorts of tragedies and disasters are needed. We need a dying economy, poverty, military defeats, and all sorts of failures from science to sport. It is such news that reassures, convinces of its own right and makes it possible to live in its completely miserable situation, but still, thanks to the news, to feel this situation is much more profitable than the one that remained in the past.

And from such a situation it is very pleasant to write sympathetic words to those who stayed there. Words of sympathy without sympathy.

One of my friends ... I will never call his name, and I will never allow him to communicate with this person, he wrote me a very touching letter immediately after the plane crashed over Sinai. It was so well written that I immediately replied, and we had some kind of correspondence during the day. In the evening, I can say at night I received a message from him that was definitely not addressed to me. He accidentally sent it to my number. Wrong address. The letter read: “Yes, it is clear that they fly on any junk. But I still hope that this plane is overwhelmed. Let them ... ... feel what it is like when ... "well, and so on. I instantly blocked the number of this person. What is it ?! And most importantly, why did I write words of sympathy and compassion, experiencing gloating, in which I did not want to admit even to myself?

The essence and content of the messages from Ukraine in the summer and this fall became clear to me. These are emigre letters.

Just the phenomenon is that the whole country emigrated. She emigrated, of course, remaining within her historical and geographical limits. But she emigrated, that is, she broke away, left, left, flew away. She broke away and found herself in that very incomprehensible, indefinite, unsettled and very humiliating situation in which little depends on her.

But if this is so, and this is so, then all the conversations of our deputies and activists running from one television to another ... Talks and spells that we are fraternal peoples, that there is no one closer and inevitably closer to us and the return of confused and deceived Ukraine - all this is nonsense. Emigrants are not returned.

When they leave, so slamming the door and so burning the bridges - do not return. Relative to the blood remain, but in fact - no.

These letters, these messages, these short messages indicate that one can never restore previous connections. Reconciliation, tranquility will come - it is inevitable, it is the law of life. But the former will not be. Emigrants are not returned.

They can come to visit with pleasure. But only if they succeeded there in a foreign land, everything grew together well, success, prosperity and wealth happened. That's when they gladly come with gifts, smart.

And if, on the contrary, everything is bad or, say, not very good, and certainly not the way it was wanted and dreamed of, then, of course, they will not even look at it. They will watch the bad news, and back, no, no. Why persecute an already tormented soul?
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  1. D-Master
    D-Master 24 November 2015 20: 49 New
    141
    Great Writer Grishkovets. Although I do not like him for his liberal views, his talent cannot be taken away from him. And the article is excellent. Emigration of a whole country is very strongly said ... Only from Emigration can one return, but from Ukraine - no. Because she is no more.
    1. Baikonur
      Baikonur 24 November 2015 20: 55 New
      28
      I always said about them - "It's not just that there are jokes about their inside-out!" That says it all.
      1. severniy
        severniy 24 November 2015 21: 14 New
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        Quote: D-Master
        Great Writer Grishkovets. Although I do not like him for his liberal views, his talent cannot be taken away from him. And the article is excellent. Emigration of a whole country is very strongly said ... Only from Emigration can one return, but from Ukraine - no. Because she is no more.

        well written .. but all this is sad ...
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          1. severniy
            severniy 24 November 2015 21: 21 New
            -24
            guys here ran into the truth no, xs ...---
            Ankara is working on the release of two pilots of the Russian Su-24 bomber, shot down on November 24 in Syrian airspace. According to Reuters, citing a representative of the Turkish government, the pilots are held captive by fighters of the Syrian opposition.

            According to CNN Turk, both Russian pilots are alive and in the hands of Syrian opposition. Currently, every effort is being made to release them, according to the channel’s microblog on Twitter.
            1. oldseaman1957
              oldseaman1957 25 November 2015 05: 21 New
              -4
              Quote: severniy
              According to CNN Turk, both Russian pilots are alive and in the hands of Syrian opposition.
              - What are you writing? One pilot was shot in the air from the DShK, and the second, the navigator, shot himself, while still in the air, so as not to experience torment. He was already dead, spirits tormented on earth. My sister told me that our territory was leveled! Warships pulled up to the area and monitor the flights of Turkish aircraft. And those, in turn, sit quietly like mice - not a single one in the air.
              1. vladimirZ
                vladimirZ 25 November 2015 06: 32 New
                14
                "It's not just that there are jokes about their inside-out!" That says it all.

                I am reading Felix Chuyev’s book "Soldiers of the Empire" about meetings with interesting people, prominent figures in various fields of the USSR.
                The book contains a chapter devoted to the meetings of F. Chuev with the former Commissar of Internal Affairs of the Ukrainian SSR, the "Commissioner of State Security", and later Lieutenant General Vasily Stepanovich Ryasny. Read very interestingly, this is rarely where you read it.
                “The story of Ukraine’s liberation from the German invaders has not yet been written,” Ryasnoy says. - After all, the whole war went on in Ukraine, much was decided there. And the fact is that they had to fight not only with the Germans, but also with the Ukrainians. Indeed, in each village, the so-called “battles” were created — combat units with sanitary services and supplies. ... There is no Ukraine alone. There have always been two Ukraine. One is western orientation, the other reaches for Russia. OUNites sought to penetrate everywhere. Only the Soviet regiment will occupy the village and, tired, will rest, it is attacked by armed members of the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists. "I happened to liberate Ukraine, and I saw it all with my own eyes."

                ... Yes, there were two Ukraine, not just the left and right bank, not only the east and west, there was Ukraine Kovpak and Kozhedub- and there was Ukraine Bandera and Melnik.

                ... Ukraine has long strived for "independence", and the whole situation there was unfavorable for the advancing units of the Red Army. The pilots told me: “Worst of all, if they bring down Ukraine, they will immediately surrender to the Germans or the police!”

                ... Stalin knew about this ... Before me is a document:
                TOP SECRET
                Order No. 0078/42. June 22, 1944. Moscow.
                BY THE PEOPLE'S COMMISSARIAT OF INTERNAL AFFAIRS OF THE UNION AND THE PEOPLE'S COMMISSARIAT OF DEFENSE OF THE UNION OF THE USSR
                Undercover intelligence found:
                Recently in Ukraine, especially in the Kiev, Poltava, Vinnitsa, Rivne and other areas, there has been a clearly hostile mood of the Ukrainian population against the Red Army and local organs of Soviet power.
                In certain districts and regions, the Ukrainian population is hostilely resisting ...
                From the foregoing, it is clear that the Ukrainian population has embarked on the path of obvious sabotage of the Red Army and Soviet power and is striving for the return of the German invaders.
                Therefore, in order to eliminate and control the mobilized Red Army soldiers and commanders of the liberated regions of Ukraine, I order:
                1. To expel to some parts of the Soviet Union all Ukrainians living under the rule of German occupiers. Eviction to produce:
                a) primarily the Ukrainians who worked and served with the Germans;
                b) secondly, to expel all other Ukrainians who are familiar with life during the German occupation;
                .
                People's Commissar of the Interior of the USSR BERIA
                Deputy People's Commissar of Defense of the USSR, Marshal of the Soviet Union Zhukov

                At the bottom there is such an entry: "For unknown reasons, this order was not executed."
                “It was partially implemented,” Ryasnoy says, “and I had a direct relationship to this.
                1. spiriolla-45
                  spiriolla-45 26 November 2015 13: 57 New
                  +4
                  It is necessary to return Novorossia, divide Little Russia with Galicia and pit the latter with the Poles. Having a whole Ukraine, at hand, is like sitting on a barrel of gunpowder and smoking.
                  1. Titovich
                    Titovich 26 November 2015 22: 30 New
                    +1
                    100% rights
                  2. Starley from the south
                    Starley from the south 27 November 2015 18: 25 New
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                    Quote: spiriolla-xnumx
                    divide Little Russia with Galicia and pit the latter with the Poles.

                    This is not our method, besides they themselves are biting each other, do not interfere ... Oh, dreams, dreams !!!
                2. Zhizneslav
                  Zhizneslav 26 November 2015 22: 08 New
                  +1
                  Let them emigrate, only the earth watered with the blood of OUR grandfathers, we will not give up. It is necessary to implement Stalin's plan to the end, the most zealous in consumption (in the sense of geyropu, Poland, Africa, to hell ...)
              2. mark2
                mark2 25 November 2015 09: 42 New
                12
                And who is your sister? Maria Zakharova? If not, you should not do stuffing of this nature. The site can be visited by people who experience everything that happened with their souls and this kind of information gives them hope that the death of the pilots was avenged.
                If there are specific sources, documentary evidence, then lay it out.
                And then they took the fashion, and here, by the way, too, use the information "from unnamed sources that deserve trust" (C).
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                1. Sergey Polt
                  Sergey Polt 25 November 2015 19: 47 New
                  +3
                  With such a vocabulary, they are waiting for you on the Censor ... With lard and a vodka ..
                2. severniy
                  severniy 25 November 2015 22: 20 New
                  -7
                  what stupid cons ?, one yes writes about the shot navigator, others click without delving .., wipe your eyes, yes read the dialogue ...
              4. severniy
                severniy 25 November 2015 18: 11 New
                -4
                My sister handed me
                and your grandmother doesn’t flop out with a pitchfork ?, since your sister is fighting instead of you ...
                1. severniy
                  severniy 25 November 2015 22: 21 New
                  -2
                  even a sister at a deer krassava, forum member ...
              5. SVT
                SVT 26 November 2015 06: 25 New
                +1
                Before you write, especially according to your sister’s words, she, by the way, is a participant in the limited military contingent of the Russian Federation in Syria, otherwise where did she get such information, just look, what if you are mistaken.
                And, note, when a bullet from a DShK gets into a person’s body, the body develops into parts, when it gets into a limb, it tears it off.
              6. 72jora72
                72jora72 26 November 2015 15: 24 New
                +1
                Also shoot yourself, so as not to torment us with your nonsense.
            2. Victor Demchenko
              Victor Demchenko 26 November 2015 20: 50 New
              +1
              and then why? our comrade showed us what kind of hypocrisy among the Turks, everything is already known, but these not-so-smart guys make all kinds of stuffing. oh stink of them!
            3. samuil60
              samuil60 27 November 2015 02: 42 New
              +2
              Never read Turkish newspapers in the mornings ... And don't look at CNN - it affects appetite badly and, most importantly, brains.
          2. Dryuya2
            Dryuya2 24 November 2015 22: 09 New
            17
            Press conference of NATO representatives on the downed Russian Su-24
            be-be, me-me - dEbily blRd
            Che wanted to say x .. knows request
            1. Vladimirets
              Vladimirets 24 November 2015 22: 29 New
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              Quote: Dryuya2
              Che wanted to say x .. knows

              But his behavior scares me, bulging eyes and slurred speech suggests that he is scared and confused. What would that mean? Is the world on the brink of nuclear war?
              1. opus
                opus 25 November 2015 02: 21 New
                +6
                Quote: Vladimirets
                But his behavior scares me, bulging eyes and slurred speech suggests that he is scared and confused.

                Stoltenberg is a fan of online games. In one of his favorites - Age of Empires - he uses the pseudonym Steklov


                tear it from the strategy, you still can’t get out of sight, the topic is "delicate"
              2. mark2
                mark2 25 November 2015 09: 49 New
                +2
                Yes, Mirr has been at that threshold since the very creation of this damned nuclear weapon!
            2. SOBR_NSK
              SOBR_NSK 25 November 2015 13: 05 New
              0
              Well, he can’t say that the Turks set up the whole block, and that’s
        2. SPACE
          SPACE 24 November 2015 22: 30 New
          -29
          Quote: D-Master
          the article is excellent. Emigration of a whole country is very strongly said ... Only from Emigration can one return, but from Ukraine - no. Because she is no more.

          Quote: Baikonur
          I always said about them - "It's not just that there are jokes about their inside-out!" That says it all.

          Quote: severniy
          well written .. but all this is sad ...

          Whether the article, fiction or reality, it doesn’t matter anyway crap, someone? Rush to argue? It may be the end of Ukraine, but neither the end of the earth nor the end of history, much is yet to come and purgatory and its own to appear.
          Z.Y. Nothing can be taken from a bear, no one can do it ...
          1. Konstantin Yu
            Konstantin Yu 25 November 2015 13: 36 New
            +6
            .. The earth will remain, only walking on it will be a rabble of rabbits, rolling the field, "who would betray" .. and history has long shown everything who is who .. nothing new, how it happened again ..
          2. ArhipenkoAndrey
            ArhipenkoAndrey 25 November 2015 13: 42 New
            +7
            Judging by the literacy of writing, are you from the Outskirts or from the Baltic states? Then your expression of thought is understandable, but there can be no end to the outskirts, there simply is no such state of the EDGE.
          3. 97110
            97110 26 November 2015 21: 32 New
            +4
            Quote: SPACE
            neither the end of the earth nor the end

            Quote: SPACE
            no one can do it

            Dear space Chukhonets. Do yourself a job - deal with the "neither" and "not." The completely illiterate text of the whole MARSHAL looks strange. Or is it NATO sabotage? The personnel will become familiar with the writings of the senior in rank and will lose their combat readiness.
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        4. oracul
          oracul 26 November 2015 09: 07 New
          0
          Do not be sad. Alas, real life is always woven from contradictions - philosophy interprets this as a source of development, and a normal person in the depths of his soul often still gravitates to the ideal. Everything rests on this. Remember the common phrase: does he (she) not understand? You just need to always remember that we all (even our own children) are different. Yes, it is not easy. Yes, it can be tiring. And many are not ready for this, not everyone is able to withstand such loads. For this reason, some people seek to escape from the mundane bustle, for example, in a monastery. But, if you understand what is happening, then you will understand the Solomon parable: everything will pass, this will pass. In fact, life is beautiful and amazing in its great diversity.
      2. iliitchitch
        iliitchitch 24 November 2015 21: 39 New
        +8
        Quote: Baikonur
        I always said about them - "It's not just that there are jokes about their inside-out!" That says it all.


        Where fat is, there is Homeland, as if to squeeze something into a fool, that's all philosophy. All their miserable history is betrayal and prostitution, they cannot be called a nation either, they are immature and will never be a nation.
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          1. Konstantin Yu
            Konstantin Yu 25 November 2015 09: 41 New
            +3
            History teaches that it doesn’t teach anyone ... it’s sad and shameful to step on the Ukrainian rake again, wipe it off and again “like brotherly people” ... One word of Ukrainians.
        2. revnagan
          revnagan 25 November 2015 12: 20 New
          +2
          Quote: iliitch
          Their whole wretched story is betrayal and prostitution,

          Exactly. Beginning with the boyar of Tverdila, the cursed crap that opened the gates of Pskov to the dogs to the knights. You can recall the treacherous behavior of the residents - the kaklov from Kaluga and Zvenigorod, who opened the gates of their cities to False Mityor 2. But those days are old. Here are more recent betrayals of the kaklov. Vlasov- pure water kakol. "Cossacks" von Panwitz in the service of the Wehrmacht, pure-bred kakly all to one. And Gorbachev? One hundred percent selling purebred kakol. And even kaklyandiya betrayed those who trusted her Ceausescu, Nadzhibullah and Milosevic. Well, here to say, their whole story is simply replete with betrayal .What to take from the wretched. Here in Russian history there have never been such cases. And this is good.
      3. 79807420129
        79807420129 24 November 2015 21: 43 New
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        Quote: Baikonur
        I always said about them - "It's not just that there are jokes about their inside-out!" That says it all.

        Well, fuck them guys where dill passes to a Jew, there’s nothing left to do, such a dill will be betrayed at the first opportunity, and they will betray mattresses with a geyropa, wait a while, that’s how it will be, ugh Judah on them. By plane you all know what will happen we’ll continue to look with a cold head, but the Turks need to make a return, The lost children have eternal memory and a low bow from all of us.
      4. Reserve officer
        Reserve officer 24 November 2015 21: 58 New
        21
        The article is interesting, written just very well. But not to Ukraine today. Do not be offended, author. Inside, everything is boiling. Fucking Erdogan.
        1. SVD
          SVD 25 November 2015 00: 34 New
          15
          All right! And I don’t understand those who go to Turkey on vacation!
        2. Garik444
          Garik444 25 November 2015 13: 19 New
          +2
          I think that everything that happens in Egypt, Syria, Turkey, and Ukraine, too, directly or indirectly, can be linked into one ball.
        3. gladcu2
          gladcu2 25 November 2015 15: 41 New
          +3
          Reserve officer

          You dig deeper into the moral of the article.

          People lie to themselves. The moral of Ukrainian citizens corresponds to a typical liberal morality.

          The liberal model is built on the wrong values ​​at the very beginning of the construction of the logic of the liberal point of view.

          Therefore, the emigrant country can not find its complacency, its spiritual comfort.

          Turkey and war are one and the same problem. The concept of morality and the construction of society are changed. Changed moral values. The primary source of building a society.

          If this is not understood, events in the world will bring surprise and disappointment.
        4. iliitchitch
          iliitchitch 25 November 2015 21: 35 New
          +4
          Quote: Stock Officer
          The article is interesting, written just very well. But not to Ukraine today. Do not be offended, author. Inside, everything is boiling. Fucking Erdogan.


          Still boils. Yes, the point is not only in Erdogan. If you look broader, then the human population is taxiing to the straight, as if not the finish. Lying, the substitution of concepts, arrogance, unprincipled, and just bestiality - this is the norm for these nonsense. But Putin is simply telling the truth - and how does it curtain them. Straight vampires in the sunlight. President with advisers - wisdom, Shoigu with the General Staff - decisiveness, Rogozin - perseverance, the government - less stupidity and worms-liberals. Yes, everything will be normal, God is not Timoshka - he sees a little bit. Minin and Pozharsky were more difficult, for example.
      5. Minstrel
        Minstrel 24 November 2015 22: 28 New
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        Quote: Baikonur
        "It's not just that there are jokes about their inside-out!"

        Well, if it came to jokes and emigration, I would advise the residents of 404 to think about this text:
        A man is dying. He lived more or less righteously - he went to heaven.
        And now he has been walking in paradise for the second week, and there is nothing special to do there.
        “Here are the boring things,” the man thought.
        And only he thought it - smoke, crackle, fire and the Devil appears.
        - Are you bored? - asks.
        - And how! - the man answers.
        - So we went on an excursion to us - to Hell.
        Well, let's go. The Devil opens the gates of hell, and there - something like a casino and a tavern in one bottle - wine, roulette, girls ...
        A man walked for fame ...
        “Liked it?” The Devil asks.
        “And then!” The man answers.
        - So come on - ask God to transfer you to us.
        Well, the man returned to Paradise, and asked for a transfer to Hell.
        And now he comes back to the treasured gate. Knocking. They reveal two hefty traits to him. And immediately grab it, and drag it inside. And there inside - no tavern and casino. But everywhere there are boilers in which sinners cook. Well, the peasant was taken to a free cauldron and thrown.
        How a man soared here (both from boiling water and from resentment).
        Shouts: - This is a mistake! The Devil promised me another! Where is the wine? Where are the gambling? Where, girls, finally?
        “Don’t confuse tourism with emigration,” one of the devils answered him, tossing firewood into the fire under the boiler.


        So it is with Ukraine - they wanted a sweet life and walks around Montmartre, but they will get a plunger and a broom for cleaning the toilet all in the same Paris. Se la vie ...
        1. Sergey S.
          Sergey S. 25 November 2015 02: 34 New
          12
          Don’t confuse tourism with emigration, one of the devils answered him.

          Well said!

          How many suckers on this broke off ...
      6. gladcu2
        gladcu2 25 November 2015 15: 33 New
        +3
        Baikonur

        Do not equal everyone on your own. Watch your nutrushka.

        The other day a video was released on YouTube by Anatoly Sharia. There was a survey of pensioners in Ukraine, say for life. Under these circumstances, obviously poor unfortunate people were offered money for the interview. Look what they say. People have preserved morality. They with liberal values ​​have not changed.

        The author wrote well. Everything corresponds to LIBERAL VALUES.

        I will explain what the difference is and what the values ​​are. In a nutshell.

        There is a lie. There is a truth. True, these are the laws of nature, which cannot be interpreted in two ways.

        Truth leads a person and society to progress.

        Lying leads the individual to enrichment. But society is regressing.

        Changing morality can be a false truth. These are LIBERAL VALUES.
        These values ​​lead to regression.

        I can cite a huge number of examples of lies in the liberal model. At the household and state level. But this is a different story.

        The author cited a typical model of an immigrant lie to himself.
      7. Will
        Will 25 November 2015 16: 44 New
        +2
        The person of parents / country at birth does not choose, but to develop himself or not is certainly a personal choice. But if neither the parents, nor the country suggests such a vector, then an unconscious rotation around its axis is obtained, or else stupidity. I am sorry for those who are completely unfamiliar with folk sayings, otherwise I would have remembered - if you didn’t spit in the well, you should get some good water. But can modern youth "forget" what a well is? Or does it not represent the relationship of the image of the “well” with the world around us, and therefore it’s “spitting” so recklessly, completely not expecting a response, because it is not familiar with the boomerang too? The development of the brain depends on the difference in the external tasks worked out internally, taking into account both real and perceived consequences. It is the development of this that requires intensive work for both parents and those who take the responsibility to lead countries, unless of course he himself is sufficiently developed by the brain. The narrow tendency to “make money” for the sake of animal needs, albeit somewhat on a human scale, does not lead beyond the developed animal instinct. Hence the striving for one's “I”, as the most important in this world, for the sake of which one can destroy the mass of “I”, having done everything so that these “other” “I” consider themselves insignificant in the pursuit of “their” greatness. The conflict of their aspirations with other similar individuals, i.e. the same with a focus on "their", without taking into account the general, is the main conflict in the modern community of both Ukraine and the United States. "Growing up" with the mind beyond the limits of your "I" to the limit of your country and beyond - the borders of the earth, not for the sake of your "I", but for the existence of the world, is not given to everyone, especially if the most important moment of the formation of the human person that belongs to childhood is missed . Everyone can go from "I am worthy" from advertisements to "the world is worthy" if you think not about yourself, darling and only, but about world peace. The Russian Soul, the Russian Spirit, in general, was different and different in that it felt its responsibility for the safety of the whole world, and not just for its “trough”, which, as you do not cover it with “diamonds,” will not become the world, but the worst is that such an aspiration can turn the world into a "trough". Note that “Russianness” is not a race or nationality, but an internal aspiration for world peace and if someone is “afraid” of it in themselves, it is not a “victory” over themselves, but a grief that pushes recklessness. Something like this. YTD.
        1. jaroff
          jaroff 26 November 2015 19: 33 New
          +1
          I agree with you completely, but the thought doesn’t give rest: “Well, why do we ourselves sob, in the literal sense, our nature, streets, porches? Where does this“ Russianness ”go (and it’s me, you, we) which" .. . feels its responsibility for the safety of the whole world, and not just for its "trough" "in ordinary, everyday life?
    2. Sterlya
      Sterlya 24 November 2015 20: 57 New
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      Maybe well on .. these urops? not up to them today like that. For me, let them even fail to hell
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        1. Sterlya
          Sterlya 24 November 2015 21: 15 New
          +2
          Quote: Sid.74
          All contacts between the defense departments of Russia and Turkey will be repainted.

          Not quite understood the word repainted
          1. Sid.74
            Sid.74 24 November 2015 21: 19 New
            10
            Quote: Sterlya
            Not quite understood the word repainted

            Hurried, typo made. Will be discontinued.

            Pegas Touristik has stopped the sale of vouchers to Turkey


            The estimated damage from the response of the "tourist" and trade measures of the Russian Federation, could be 21 billion dollars.


            Channel Haberturk said that their operators accidentally shot the moment of the fall of the Su-24, as they happened to be nearby.


            Turkish Airlines shares lost more than 6%


            MoonOf Alabama: even if the Russian plane was in the sky of Turkey for 5 seconds, this is not self-defense, but an ambush. NATO will crawl away.


            Ours today bombed the Rakka refinery for more than an hour.

            The Italian Parliament is confident that Turkey entered the war on the side of IG. Http://www.riafan.ru/484541-italyanskij-parlament-uveren-chto-turciya-vstupila-
            v-vojnu-na-storone-ig


            The Ministry of Defense: The cruiser "Moscow" is equipped with an analogue of the C-300 and will destroy any targets that pose a danger to Russian aviation


            DW: Germany against the escalation of the conflict around the Crimea


            Turkey did not provide Moscow with evidence that Su-24 violated their borders

            1. Sterlya
              Sterlya 24 November 2015 21: 29 New
              +2
              Quote: Sid.74
              Hurried, typo made. Will be discontinued.

              THX. Well, right, what can you talk about with them after that
              1. Sid.74
                Sid.74 24 November 2015 21: 37 New
                +4
                Quote: Sterlya
                Well, that's right, what can you do with them after that

                And with NATO as a whole.
                The NATO Council, following a discussion of the incident with the Russian aircraft shot down by Turkey, is not expected to make a statement on behalf of the alliance, but will be limited to a statement by Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg, a diplomatic source close to NATO told RIA Novosti on Tuesday.
                "It is obvious that NATO is not seeking to aggravate the situation. Most likely, the statements of the alliance as such will not be, the meeting’s participants will limit themselves to a statement by the Secretary General,” the diplomat said.RIA Novosti http://ria.ru/world/20151124/1327692325.html#ixzz3sR3yWoRp

                Terrorist group "Vilayat-Sinai", which operates on the Sinai Peninsula, is guilty of the deaths of Russians killed in the A321 crash, The Russian Federation is ready to cooperate with Egypt in the fight against this evil, said Defense Minister General of the Army Sergey Shoigu.
                РИА Новости http://ria.ru/world/20151124/1327758468.html#ixzz3sR5x1aiG

                Air passengers of the Russian Federation independently hand over air tickets to Turkey.
                Russian air passengers began to hand over tickets purchased earlier for flights to Turkey, in particular, applications for a return were submitted by 20% of passengers who bought tickets for 5 days, the general director of the ticket sales agency Pososhok.ru Kirill Faminsky.RIA News http: // ria. com / society / 20151124 / 1327757024.html # ixzz3sR6KbVru

                1. Sid.74
                  Sid.74 24 November 2015 21: 50 New
                  13
                  And here is the unity of NATO in all its glory.

                  The Pentagon did not confirm that the downed Su-24 was in Turkish airspace https://russian.rt.com/article/132364


                  The former head of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Latvia: Turkey, shot down the Russian Su-24, climbs on the rampage
                  “If we analyze the situation as a whole, then I think that Turkey is climbing the edge. Turkey does not like that Russia is fighting against the (terrorist) Islamic State, that Russia defends Assad, they want to overthrow it. The biggest problem in this region is today is Turkey. It is not clear what kind of policy it pursues and what it wants to achieve in general by supporting terrorists, "said Jurkans.
                  РИА Новости http://ria.ru/world/20151124/1327754828.html#ixzz3sR7VJdA0
        2. evgmiz
          evgmiz 24 November 2015 22: 06 New
          12
          And again, on the same rake! .. The search group went into foreign territory on the eights without any cover ...
          1. dauria
            dauria 24 November 2015 22: 35 New
            +3
            . A search group into foreign territory went on eights without any cover ..


            That PSS that was on duty, she immediately went. To land troops to the battalion? (and there’s nothing less to do there). Without intelligence, preparation, not knowing where exactly? And where to get a regiment of helicopters for this, and the motorized rifle battalion itself?
            Or do not you understand that the enemy is on the ground, and only from the air, and even from 5 km you can not disperse them? And below, you will receive in full from the rifle and to MANPADS.
            1. Sid.74
              Sid.74 24 November 2015 22: 56 New
              11
              There was a video of the statement of the head of the GSU GSH Sergey Rudskiy on the fact of the attack by the Turkish Air Force of the Su-24M Russian Aerospace Force of the Russian Federation.
          2. Rusich is not from Kiev
            Rusich is not from Kiev 25 November 2015 00: 45 New
            +3
            Quote: evgmiz
            And again, on the same rake! .. The search group went into foreign territory on the eights without any cover ...

            The video is that with two MI-24s as a cover.
      2. severniy
        severniy 24 November 2015 21: 16 New
        +9
        Quote: Sterlya
        Maybe well on .. these urops? not up to them today like that. For me, let them even fail to hell

        But what about those who live in the south and who have family ties there?
        it’s easy to write .. but on the soul yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
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      4. BMP-2
        BMP-2 24 November 2015 21: 40 New
        19
        Quote: Sterlya
        For me, let them even fail to hell


        Yes, it’s full of you, okstitsya: the devils are in what guilty ?! laughing
    3. svp67
      svp67 24 November 2015 21: 00 New
      16
      Quote: D-Master
      Great Author Grishkovets

      Pacific Fleet sailor - Evgeny Grishkovets, not only a good author, but also CITIZEN
    4. sober
      sober 24 November 2015 21: 06 New
      10
      Quote: D-Master
      . Because she is no more.

      I completely agree! But there’s probably still a lot of nerves spoiled.
    5. Sharapov
      Sharapov 24 November 2015 21: 07 New
      18
      Great article. The hypocrisy and meanness peculiar to dill are subtly noted. My 16 relatives living there, (all Russians) are silent - busy with survival.
    6. marlin1203
      marlin1203 24 November 2015 21: 09 New
      +2
      The justification of one’s own critical, immoral and wild deeds is absolutely natural for people and nations as a whole. Especially if internally they all feel their own wrong and fatal deeds. And the dependence is directly proportional in this, the more one, the deeper the other (no sin, no repentance). A doubting person does not seek self-justification and does not write "to the grandfather’s village" ...
    7. APASUS
      APASUS 24 November 2015 21: 40 New
      10
      Quote: D-Master
      Emigration of a whole country is very strongly said ... Only from Emigration can one return, but from Ukraine - no. Because she is no more.

      They emigrated with brains, but this does not save from harsh reality.
      Add my 5 cents.
      From conversations with the brothers made several conclusions.
      The words they utter are selected very carefully, not a word about the mess and the open gangsterism of the authorities against their people. It seems that everyone is listening. They don’t have any particular complaints, even when the salary fell by 2 times and the prices went up by 3. Having read the Ukrainian media they often complain about food in Russia, they think it’s that we are starving. They are very afraid of war. Even understanding how criminal power is in their brain, they seem to have been beaten very much by Europeans, for this reason one brother wants to send his daughter to study in Germany. His brother-in-law ran away from mobilization in Poland. And the general conclusion I would have made is that the Americans succeeded in separating the peoples, they do not see us either as relatives, not as fellow travelers.
    8. Juborg
      Juborg 24 November 2015 21: 49 New
      -8
      The style of this course is afftora, but one huge and ugly “BUT!”. According to the writer of Ukraine, a torn chunk, which is time to give up and forget, these are not our people. But what about the Crimea, like the Donbass, and finally, millions not affected by the fascist plague? The same mayor of Uzhgorod, Sergey Ratushnyak, as Grishkovets offers to forget all these people, to kill, in his head, a phone book, etc. It is strange why we do not send such SMS to all, even relatives.
      I still dare to eat enough that it was written not by my favorite author, but by some kind of fake platter and put a plus, at the same time, I can’t. I have a fat minus, it’s a pity that one!
      1. Rusich is not from Kiev
        Rusich is not from Kiev 25 November 2015 00: 50 New
        +1
        Quote: juborg
        I still dare to eat enough that it was written not by my favorite author, but by some kind of fake platter and put a plus, at the same time, I can’t. I have a fat minus, it's a pity that one

        I also put it, but unfortunately he wrote it and that is exactly what he wants, so that we forget about them forever, betray. He’s just smart and understands that it’s stupid to push through and so decided to make it.
      2. Zlatik
        Zlatik 25 November 2015 08: 45 New
        +1
        You yourself have 3 fat minuses !!! You still don’t understand anything!
    9. vladek64
      vladek64 24 November 2015 21: 51 New
      12
      Quote: D-Master
      The emigration of a whole country is very much said ...


      Then Grishkovets was too clever. Invented emigration. crying

      But in fact, this article is a vivid example of how public people in Russia are treated. All these waves of letters are clearly coordinated in time and in content. Or maybe they are written according to one training manual. Owners of address books in which there is an address of Grishkovets are caught at a time (all social networks do this). Next, a dozen “loyal” owners are selected who are offered to work “in the name of democracy”. And then a training manual is regularly sent out (which letter to write, which photos to attach, etc.)

      All this in order to establish contact with a public person and further feed her with desa or incite him to various actions. All this creative party is so "thinly feeling", so responsive ... that managing their opinions is not a difficult task.
      Especially when professionals take up the info-wars.

      Here is the result - they practically achieved that Grishkovets has already begun to sympathize with his recipients. And even a puncture with someone who wrote about the plane did not prompt the idea that other recipients could play the same game. Well, the "creative person" cannot imagine the scale of that machine of the info war that started the game with him. Therefore, he comes up with all sorts of theories about emigration.

      If you follow the methods of the special services for building relations, then the next step is to ask him for some small service. After that, the level of confidence between them will increase and it will already be possible to start hanging noodles on the ears seriously.

      The only thing that you can advise Grishkovets is to either ignore such recipients or show these letters to friends from the special services (maybe they can extract something useful from this - they also need to process public people, and here’s a ready-made training manual wink )
      1. Buchki
        Buchki 25 November 2015 01: 01 New
        +7
        Quote: vladek64
        All these waves of letters are clearly coordinated in time and in content. Or maybe they are written according to one training manual. Owners of address books in which there is an address of Grishkovets are caught at a time (all social networks do this). Next, a dozen “loyal” owners are selected who are offered to work “in the name of democracy”. And then a training manual is regularly sent out (which letter to write, which photos to attach, etc.)


        I also had a similar thought - the Ukrainian "writers" were painfully monotonous. But you put it more logical and convincing than I even thought
        1. oblako
          oblako 25 November 2015 06: 06 New
          +2
          Of course, this is an integral part of the psychological and informational operations conducted by the United States and the Western coalition. It is no coincidence that a public person became an addressee. It was calculated that he would definitely share his feelings by disseminating this "good information in the media space, and he shared ... Maybe not quite in the way in which I would like the author of the idea, but still ... "Methodological recommendations" in this way in our country are trying to cultivate a layer of white-leaflet-liberals - humus for Maidan scenarios.
      2. Oleko
        Oleko 25 November 2015 08: 46 New
        +2
        Quote: vladek64
        The only thing that can be advised to Grishkovets is either to ignore such recipients or to show these letters to friends from the special services (maybe they can extract something useful from this - they also need to process public people, and now the training manual is ready)

        I will add for Grishkovets: not to be naive. In the social network MM for some time gave comments from Lena from the Netherlands. I missed this, it was sick to read: fights in stores for sugar, battalions of paupers on every corner, general mortality from vaccinations ..
        Troll. Mata raked in full. It turned out that not Lena, but a guy, not from the Netherlands, but sitting in Kiev. This is an information war. And for a surcharge from the SBU, these "migrants" will make any stuffing. I have relatives in Kiev, they live poorly. Not up to information war.
      3. Oleko
        Oleko 25 November 2015 08: 46 New
        0
        Quote: vladek64
        The only thing that can be advised to Grishkovets is either to ignore such recipients or to show these letters to friends from the special services (maybe they can extract something useful from this - they also need to process public people, and now the training manual is ready)

        I will add for Grishkovets: not to be naive. In the social network MM for some time gave comments from Lena from the Netherlands. I missed this, it was sick to read: fights in stores for sugar, battalions of paupers on every corner, general mortality from vaccinations ..
        Troll. Mata raked in full. It turned out that not Lena, but a guy, not from the Netherlands, but sitting in Kiev. This is an information war. And for a surcharge from the SBU, these "migrants" will make any stuffing. I have relatives in Kiev, they live poorly. Not up to information war.
      4. Zlatik
        Zlatik 25 November 2015 09: 00 New
        +1
        All that you wrote is nonsense! I know a lot of Ukrainians (yes, almost everything!) - these are exactly what Grishkovets wrote!
      5. _Krechet_
        _Krechet_ 25 November 2015 16: 05 New
        0
        In everything you need to know the measure. Authors of lines about reconnaissance, information warfare and more - try to ignore everything that you have to say and just re-read the text again.
        That text is not an article. This is a reflection.

        And accepting them as such, you will not turn your tongue to blurt out "too clever" and "invented".

        PS Strictly speaking - I was too smart and thought up exactly "vladek64" here. Because it’s different to evaluate everything that is written about “being processed”, “coordinated”, “training manual” and other things, and very authoritative advice to Grishkovets personally, I personally don’t succeed.
        1. vladek64
          vladek64 25 November 2015 17: 45 New
          +1
          Quote: _Are_
          try to ignore everything you have to say and just reread the text again.


          And you just read the comments under this "text" and you will understand why these "texts" appear.
          Some comments are filled with such hatred that you just clearly see how those who push the Slavs against each other rub their hands.
    10. Phantom Revolution
      Phantom Revolution 24 November 2015 22: 01 New
      +5
      Quote: D-Master
      You can return only from Emigration, but not from Ukraine. Because she is no more.

      Yes, all this is nonsense, propaganda is doing its job, "what you say to a herd of a shepherd then it bleats."
      It’s just alas, Russia hasn’t learned this for 20 years, what the United States is good for is how they can manipulate the public, sometimes even clumsily, but it works, there are few people who say “adequate”, but who listens to them ?


      Here the solution is either to remove Ukraine as a state altogether, or to engage in reformatting the state with harsh propaganda, but it will not be easy. I’ll give an example of the USR that the Nazis occupied and all marched and greeted Hitler, ground the USSR.

      PS Does the author suggest leaving everything as it is?) Well, again, another embittered Baltic? Only with a population of 40 million and fiercely hating the Russian Federation?)
      1. revnagan
        revnagan 25 November 2015 12: 30 New
        +1
        Quote: Phantom Revolution
        I will give an example of the USR which was occupied by the Nazis and all marching together and greeted Hitler

        Tell about this at least to the residents of Putivl, where the detachment of S.A. Kovpak was formed.
    11. Tor5
      Tor5 24 November 2015 22: 22 New
      +3
      At first an intriguing, but ultimately strong, fair and correct article! Thanks to the author!
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    13. Rusich is not from Kiev
      Rusich is not from Kiev 25 November 2015 00: 40 New
      +3
      Quote: D-Master
      Great Writer Grishkovets. Although I do not like him for his liberal views, his talent cannot be taken away from him. And the article is excellent.

      He has a contradiction. Emigrants do not return, but does he consider himself to have returned, or is he just holding us all for suckers?
      1. navy1301
        navy1301 25 November 2015 04: 01 New
        -2
        Then we are waiting for an article from you not for "suckers", enough ..... in order to write something decent?
      2. kotvov
        kotvov 25 November 2015 11: 42 New
        0
        Emigrants do not return ,,,
        you just didn’t understand, they emigrated with their brains, CE Europe,
    14. Werterex
      Werterex 25 November 2015 01: 09 New
      +2
      The miasma of these letters resemble ...
    15. Sergey S.
      Sergey S. 25 November 2015 02: 29 New
      +5
      Quote: D-Master
      Great Writer Grishkovets. Although I do not like him for his liberal views, his talent cannot be taken away from him. And the article is excellent.

      1. In principle, I agree. Ukrainians are emigrants of Russian culture. Russian economic space.
      2. But regarding these emigrant drooling, one does not even want to swear. Only Taras Bulba comes to mind with a sentence to all potential emigrants "" I gave birth to you, I will kill you. "

      Ukrainians are a disgrace to the Russian world.
      Internal .... external ... any kind of emigration - betrayal, if not of the country, then of the people, and even if not of the people, then the family and oneself.

      In my opinion, emigration is a crime against descendants and ancestors.
      A crime worthy of the worst punishment - deprivation of the support of ancestors and the ability to leave the continuers.
      In essence, this is death.
      And again Taras Bulba is right.
      1. bovig
        bovig 25 November 2015 05: 55 New
        +1
        Quote: Sergey S.
        Quote: D-Master
        Great Writer Grishkovets. Although I do not like him for his liberal views, his talent cannot be taken away from him. And the article is excellent.

        1. In principle, I agree. Ukrainians are emigrants of Russian culture. Russian economic space.
        2. But regarding these emigrant drooling, one does not even want to swear. Only Taras Bulba comes to mind with a sentence to all potential emigrants "" I gave birth to you, I will kill you. "

        Ukrainians are a disgrace to the Russian world.
        Internal .... external ... any kind of emigration - betrayal, if not of the country, then of the people, and even if not of the people, then the family and oneself.

        In my opinion, emigration is a crime against descendants and ancestors.
        A crime worthy of the worst punishment - deprivation of the support of ancestors and the ability to leave the continuers.
        In essence, this is death.
        And again Taras Bulba is right.


        Taras Bulba is right in relation to traitors, but not all emigrants are traitors ... Suppose there are forced emigrants who have become such for the sole purpose of surviving! Or all the same, the traitors should have died at home at the hands of a crazy brother in anger?) Or maybe, all the same, "flies separately from cutlets"? And with regard to Ukraine: why did they let her go free sailing to the will of hostile winds? So the brain blew them with these winds ... They should be treated, and not abandoned, as hopelessly sick ... Forced, like loonies, but certainly treated!
    16. Kushadasov
      Kushadasov 25 November 2015 10: 51 New
      +1
      Although I do not like him for his liberal views


      And what is its liberalism manifested in? I guess I don’t know Grishkovets ... (

      The article is good. And I agree with your conclusions too.
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    18. revnagan
      revnagan 25 November 2015 12: 08 New
      0
      Quote: D-Master
      Great Writer Grishkovets.

      Yeah. Why is it worth it: “the emigrants don’t come back ...” And what is it, himself? Yes, pro-Western Ukrainians now seem to be on horseback and celebrate victory. Let them show off. We wait until the pendulum swings in the opposite direction.
    19. Milana
      Milana 25 November 2015 22: 06 New
      0
      Great comment, thanks!
    20. Valiich
      Valiich 25 November 2015 22: 15 New
      0
      Yes, you subtly noticed. And I also wanted the author to note a small phrase in a letter from Dnepropetrovsk "... it was scary fun ... champagne ..." and so most likely it was necessary to leave this phrase ... it was scary ... and no one champagne. Champagne now in Ukraine or Ukraine is like "Feast during the plague" And Ukraine now, the one that is Kind Rich Rich "Our" with the Slavic Soul NO. I think it takes time for the stupefied and deceived people to come to their senses. And then ...
    21. SANAY
      SANAY 26 November 2015 12: 58 New
      +2
      I watched Grishkovets. I don’t remember all or not all. But he is an author and a man subtly feeling the nuances of being. Now he has noticed a very true thing. It is at the level of insight. So, close the topic, boys, they are gone forever.
  2. Dr. Bormental
    Dr. Bormental 24 November 2015 20: 49 New
    44
    He shouted at last
    In an airplane burning:
    - You live, you hold out! -
    It came through the rumble.

    We flew under god
    Near the very paradise -
    He climbed a little higher and sat there,
    Well, I reached the ground.

    Met the pilot dryly
    Paradise airfield.
    He sat on his belly
    But did not crawl on it.

    He fell asleep - did not wake up,
    He sang - did not finish,
    So here I am back
    He came back, he came back
    Well, he failed.
    V. Vysotsky. Song about the pilot.
    Eternal memory to HEROES!
  3. boroda64
    boroda64 24 November 2015 20: 50 New
    +3
    .
    - leaving - leave ...
    1. tol100v
      tol100v 24 November 2015 21: 24 New
      +5
      Quote: boroda64
      - leaving - leave ...

      It is not sad, but a third, if not half of Ukraine, can no longer be returned to fraternal union. They were very well brainwashed (if they were) over the past 25 years. But I do not agree with the phrase in the epigraph ... It will be more true if you say: Never say never! God works in mysterious ways!
  4. Vadim237
    Vadim237 24 November 2015 20: 54 New
    13
    B / Ukraine has become a cesspool, such a pit will remain for a long time, and then disappear.
    1. rf xnumx
      rf xnumx 24 November 2015 21: 00 New
      18
      Quote: Vadim237
      B / Ukraine has become a cesspool, such a pit will remain for a long time, and then disappear.
      Concrete trash with a bunch of rodents
  5. LEVIAFAN
    LEVIAFAN 24 November 2015 20: 54 New
    13
    essay on the topic "how I spent the summer and did not get into the atom"
  6. ODERVIT
    ODERVIT 24 November 2015 21: 02 New
    0
    The brilliant material of the Master.
    1. U-96
      U-96 24 November 2015 21: 06 New
      +4
      Quote: ODERVIT
      The brilliant material of the Master.

      not too much about Grishkovets?
      1. nikpwolf
        nikpwolf 24 November 2015 22: 17 New
        +5
        Quote: U-96
        not too much about Grishkovets?

        Not. This is how to see (feel) what is really happening. And honestly write. And in fact everything is in front of the nose. And summed up. Do not add, do not diminish. This is a skill. To think such a bastard makes you. Without malice, humanly ... but after all, somewhere I clapped something.
      2. ODERVIT
        ODERVIT 25 November 2015 20: 48 New
        0
        None of your business.
  7. isker
    isker 24 November 2015 21: 04 New
    +4
    all 24 years of independence, Ukraine went only on crutches (it always used the Russian language everywhere), as soon as these crutches were taken away from it, the obvious result came ...
  8. pts-m
    pts-m 24 November 2015 21: 05 New
    +5
    These emigrants will write and cherish for a long time how everything is in their mind. The main thing is that they do not ask for back under any pretext !!!
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  9. hartlend
    hartlend 24 November 2015 21: 08 New
    +3
    When they leave, so slamming the door and so burning the bridges - do not return. Relative to the blood remain, but in fact - no.

    Not all in Ukraine are blood relatives of the Slavs. In Novorossia and Slobozhanshchina, basically yes, these territories were annexed from Russia. The closer to the west, the more mixed with different bloods (read genes). You can’t deceive genetics; demagogy about democracy will not work here. This is an exact science, operates with facts.
    1. Buchki
      Buchki 25 November 2015 01: 14 New
      +5
      Quote: hartlend
      Not all in Ukraine are blood relatives of the Slavs. In Novorossia and Slobozhanshchina, basically yes, these territories were annexed from Russia. The closer to the west, the more mixed with different blood


      There is another category of Russians who, by the will of fate, remained on the territory of Ukraine - the former contingent of the Carpathian and Kiev military districts, as well as their descendants. Our parents, classmates, their children remained there after the end of military service (houses for retirees of the PrikVO, in particular, were built during the Soviet era in Vinnitsa, Zhytomyr, Pervomaisk, Korosten, etc.). They became hostages of the situation in the first place, because It turned out that not only were citizens of the "non-titular nation", but also representatives of "militaristic" Russia.
    2. dauria
      dauria 25 November 2015 01: 34 New
      +4
      You can’t deceive genetics ..


      Eye color and lactose intolerance can be explained by genes.
      And the fact that a man yells "Heil !!!" - here it doesn't smell like genes.
      Adopted by the Americans, the Mordovian baby will grow up one hundred percent Jack. And the very concept of Slavs (Germans, Jews, etc.) by blood is bullshit of pure water, apparently very useful to someone.
    3. 97110
      97110 26 November 2015 21: 52 New
      0
      Quote: hartlend
      You can't fool genetics

      A Negro was born, Genoa was called ...
  10. Benya krik
    Benya krik 24 November 2015 21: 08 New
    +5
    It is unlikely that these emigrants would succeed in slamming the door loudly, for them the Supreme Rada and Giblets did it. Yes, the country itself did not emigrate at all, it would be more correct to say: - it was emigrated by order of the Pentagon, which armed and financed those who did not have a homeland flag in time.
  11. sir_obs
    sir_obs 24 November 2015 21: 14 New
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    Old Soviet joke.
    Man came to Paradise. Boredom. Everything is just by the will of God, the angels sing the same songs approved by the Almighty, and so on day after day, all the same.
    Once walking in the garden, the man heard some drunken voices, laughter and other sounds of revelry. Crawled through the vegetation, and there is a fence, and behind the fence Hell. And in Hell ... Vodka, girls, revelry and debauchery. Vobschem complete fun. Then our man prayed, Lord, let him go to Hell for a day. He let go. A man walked up to a loss of consciousness, tasted revelry and debauchery, and happily clung to Paradise.
    And here again boredom began to overcome him. He asked again, again and again, and then he said. Let go, they say, Lord, for good, otherwise you have green anguish here in Paradise.
    The Lord says to him, go, but I won’t take it back.
    The man was delighted, missed the last words by his ears and rushed to Hell.
    And there the devils are waiting for him, and bare back to the pan, and to the fire. Cried man, Lord, take it back
    And he answers him, no, kasatik, you will now know how a foreign trip differs from emigration.
    1. fedia
      fedia 24 November 2015 22: 31 New
      0
      Cool joke, not heard before.
  12. viktor561
    viktor561 24 November 2015 21: 16 New
    +8
    One to one - they began to write to me from Odessa "old friends" as if nothing had happened - insults and wild anger at all Russian - what is this? - enlightenment or agony
    1. Sterlya
      Sterlya 24 November 2015 21: 33 New
      +1
      Quote: viktor561
      One to one - they began to write to me from Odessa "old friends" as if nothing had happened - insults and wild anger at all Russian - what is this? - enlightenment or agony

      Can you imagine what will happen next? What will happen in 10-20 years? Nothing good.
      1. fedia
        fedia 24 November 2015 22: 34 New
        +3
        The faster they get dumped into the geysoyuz, the faster they will turn back. As someone said: "Until tomorrow comes, you will not understand how good it was today."
    2. Dyagilev
      Dyagilev 25 November 2015 02: 50 New
      +1
      Most likely, there is no return to the account - there are still options. Our relative, with whom it was forbidden to talk about politics at the very beginning, in fear of a complete breakdown of relations, began by the way to report that everything was fine, but the communal apartment increased 10 times in comparison with those of the previous tariffs. And it seems to me that so far this is only a slight murmur.
  13. Michael_59
    Michael_59 24 November 2015 21: 17 New
    +9
    Thanks, Eugene. Thanks, admins. Here it is. Reflection master. He explained a lot.
    How lucky I was, I consciously-instinctively stopped all attempts to lure me "topple" at one time, I hope that the thought of this will never arise.
    PS What a tremendous victory the Jews Satanists ... Drowned a huge piece of Russian land in g @ outside, lies and blood.
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  15. GAF
    GAF 24 November 2015 21: 19 New
    +3
    Psychology is not an exact science. But the author all converges. They can even be understood. The face of Kravchuk, glossy of contentment, inviting journalists to "come to them for fat", ... The 10th economy and the 4th place in the export of arms in the world went from the USSR. And be on the outskirts of the Ojkumeny. Everyone is guilty, except for their loved ones. Here and glance over the fence - whether the cow has still died from the neighbor.
  16. Strezhevchanin
    Strezhevchanin 24 November 2015 21: 23 New
    0
    Yes, let them live on their own health, as they want and wherever they want, just ziggle and .... lei will not be able to shout for a long time for knives;
  17. CKORPII
    CKORPII 24 November 2015 21: 24 New
    -8
    Quote: D-Master
    Great Writer Grishkovets. Although I do not like him for his liberal views, his talent cannot be taken away from him. And the article is excellent. Emigration of a whole country is very strongly said ... Only from Emigration can one return, but from Ukraine - no. Because she is no more.

    THIS FEK
  18. ML-334
    ML-334 24 November 2015 21: 26 New
    +3
    Life has taught, you need to get along with all people. Your life, freedom can depend on any homeless person, in a certain scenario. And the toad crushes a two-faced comrade, he is already sick. The author, judging from his experience, correctly outlined everything.
  19. sabakina
    sabakina 24 November 2015 21: 27 New
    +3
    I think the downing of the SU-24 is a distraction from Urina ... It remains only to wait. What? I don’t know. The Lord of the Sith is sure we (sorry - they) are in all arms ...
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 24 November 2015 22: 32 New
      +4
      The next series from LDNR will be "The Last Ukrainian Cauldron - Full Welding"
  20. Naval
    Naval 24 November 2015 21: 35 New
    13
    I remember in the film "The Shield and the Sword", in the scene of visiting the concentration camp, the children chant: "We are all fine, feed us well ...." Well, that's why - Heroyam Sala! To make them live even better lol
  21. BaLaLaykin
    BaLaLaykin 24 November 2015 21: 37 New
    10
    Quote: LEVIAFAN
    Quote: Sterlya
    Quote: Sid.74
    All contacts between the defense departments of Russia and Turkey will be repainted.

    Not quite understood the word repainted

    the star will remain, the month will be removed.

    The cruiser Moscow will occupy an area in the coastal part of Latakia. The ship is equipped with a Fort air defense system, similar to the S-300.

    All targets that may be dangerous to the aviation of the Russian Aerospace Forces will be immediately destroyed. This was stated in the Ministry of Defense of Russia.
    The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation said that henceforth all sorties of attack aircraft in Syria will be carried out under the guise of fighters. It is reported by Interfax.
    Russia has taken up the closure of the sky over Syria
  22. Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 24 November 2015 21: 40 New
    +3
    What to do if we said goodbye to our country?
    Waving in response, without regret, without discouraging, stop supporting the "brotherly" people - this is their choice.
    Thanks for the story.
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  24. attuda
    attuda 24 November 2015 21: 48 New
    +2
    emigrants do not return ...


    Nothing author, please ...

    Vernetsa over time, the territory of RI,
    TV control
    and there and ukrogabontsy pull up ...
    We’re having a meal, we’ll emigrate ...
  25. Wajra-3
    Wajra-3 24 November 2015 21: 49 New
    10
    I do not know. I do not know. My friends first asked what I think about this. Then they asked, it’s true that we sent our troops to Ukraine. To which I naturally replied that I did not know, but I did not think. If we had attracted our troops, my friends, you would not have asked such questions. And quietly and peacefully change your passports to Russian! To which my friends nodded their heads (they said so) and sighed heavily.
    And everyone asked: WHEN?
  26. Sergey-72
    Sergey-72 24 November 2015 22: 04 New
    +5
    Everything is clear, everything is so. It will only be very unpleasant for me when Russia leaves the current economic state and gets on its feet firmly, these "emigrants" crawl out of different cesspools and with their dirty hooves they will again trample our land and they will smile at us.
    1. Buchki
      Buchki 25 November 2015 01: 28 New
      +1
      Quote: Sergey-72
      It will only be very unpleasant for me when Russia leaves the current economic state and gets on its feet firmly, these "emigrants" crawl out of different cesspools and with their dirty hooves they will again trample our land and they will smile at us.


      Yes, and it will turn out like in that joke:
      - Hare: "Who is against me?"
      - "I" - answers the Wolf
      - Hare, climbing a stump next to the Bear: "Well, who is against me and the Bear?"
  27. samoletil18
    samoletil18 24 November 2015 22: 12 New
    +2
    If EVERYONE emigrated there, then I would probably agree with Grshkovets.
  28. Dimitrakis
    Dimitrakis 24 November 2015 22: 13 New
    -4
    Comments to the article, not a discussion of all the news. This is not a forum for you.
    1. Buchki
      Buchki 25 November 2015 01: 37 New
      +4
      Quote: Dimitrakis
      Comments to the article, not a discussion of all the news. This is not a forum for you.


      And let us, please, speak out on all topical, especially significant at the moment, similar topics - it is painfully chilling yourself with silence with anxious thoughts in silence. And here - as if he had come out "to the people": you will find a word of support, and you will listen to smart people, and you will sometimes express something intelligible (modestly hope).
  29. Ajent cho
    Ajent cho 24 November 2015 22: 15 New
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    In my heart sucks. And there's nothing to be done about it. But I don’t want to take revenge - I just want to take and cut the hell out of the infamous Erdogan head and put it on the stake, along with the boshki of all kinds of ukrognids, of which a great many have divorced. Then do the same with all sorts of clintons, mackains and other evil spirits, and tan the shackles and send them to the galleys to transport all the rabble back from Europe to Africa.
    These are my bright elven thoughts in this period of time.
    1. nikpwolf
      nikpwolf 24 November 2015 22: 58 New
      +1
      Well, that's fine ...
      Quote: Ajent Cho
      These are my bright elven thoughts in this period of time.

      And this is stronger ...
      Quote: Ajent Cho
      I just want to take and cut off ...

      And the main thing ...
      Quote: Ajent Cho
      But I do not want to take revenge ...

      And me too ... That's why it is so? (purely rhetorical question)
  30. CKORPII
    CKORPII 24 November 2015 22: 16 New
    +2
    Quote: D-Master
    Great Writer Grishkovets. Although I do not like him for his liberal views, his talent cannot be taken away from him. And the article is excellent. Emigration of a whole country is very strongly said ... Only from Emigration can one return, but from Ukraine - no. Because she is no more.

    In order to evacuate the pilots of the Russian airborne forces shot down over the territory of the Su-24m SAR today from the landing site, a search and rescue operation was conducted involving two Mi-8 helicopters. This was reported to media representatives by the head of the Main Operations Directorate of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, Lieutenant General Sergey Rudskoy.
  31. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 24 November 2015 22: 23 New
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    My friends from Dill do not write to me. Last seen in April at the exhibition. I ask - how? And he - did you see fascism in the cinema? I saw - I answer. Well, that’s what he is.
    The other day I learned that he managed to transfer his company to Belgorod (he is a Kharkov citizen). He did not emigrate. He returned to his homeland.
  32. bannik
    bannik 24 November 2015 22: 25 New
    +2
    Delivered +, but the article is not in time (IMHO).
  33. Altona
    Altona 24 November 2015 22: 38 New
    +7
    God bless her with Ukraine, but Turkey, at least we will punish so ...
    1. kit-kat
      kit-kat 25 November 2015 00: 01 New
      +5
      Well, why do you have to wait for blood to understand who is friend and who is enemy? Back in the 90s, they treated and gave shelter to the Chechens, and with a light heart you went to rest with them and brought them your money.
  34. orphan 63
    orphan 63 24 November 2015 22: 41 New
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    There is a wonderful addition to this article.
    LETTER TO UKRAINIANS. WARNING IMMEDIATELY - THE ARTICLE WILL BE EVIL. FOR UKRAINIANS - VERY EVEN EVIL ...
    But, anyway, I will express myself. It’s boiling up .... Two years ago, we all of Mother Russia persuaded these brothers from Ukraine-not to support the Maidan! Do not sign any integration with the EU! Do not go into the European Union, in general! .. How many friends and relatives because of this fucking European integration have quarreled to the nines ... And so? One of them listened to us ??? .. So I don’t remember that. We were insulted for this, laughed and mocked at us. They called him Asian savages, who, out of envy, wrote all this to them! ... Again they reminded us of some kind of story stolen from them ... mocked our president ... predicted to us quick death ... And so on in the same vein. Moreover, sooo aggressive key! They poked all our failures and problems in the nose as if our failures and problems were their merit. They rejoiced in our floods, fires, road accidents and accidents ... And I do not remember that at least one of them - these brothers - the Jesuits - was polite with us or, at least, entered into a normal dialogue with us.
    That was over a year ago. They jumped, looked at us, quilted jackets, from high, grinded and fanned. How come! They are almost Europeans, and we are retarded scoops for them! And nobody, I repeat - NOBODY - agreed with us.
    Next - the rebellious Donbass, ATO, the shooting of Donbass ... And again - NONE of these bitches then blundered that they did not like it !!! ..
    The question is - where did Ukraine come from, then a year later, the number of "disagreeing" with the Kiev regime suddenly came up ??? ... And ??? ... Question - but before where were you all, "disagreeing" ?? ? .. And ??? .. What do we see now that all these European leaps have led to the collapse of the country, to the collapse of the economy, to the collapse of everything that can be broken up? Crowds of refugees come to us, rushks and putlerovtsev! .. And just the "sea" of normal-adequate people in Ukraine, who (it turns out !!!) and a year ago they all perfectly understood! ...
    An interesting movie ... And a year ago, why did you, the “right ones” you, didn’t say anything ??? ... Where were you all ??? ... Where did all of you suddenly come up with your “correct” perception of what is happening? ?? ... Why were you all silent when your APU and National Guard shot the Donbass ???
    This is now, a year later, in Ukraine, the total control of power over dissent - a year ago it did not exist !!! .. What prevented you from being "right" then ??? .. And for the year of your silence (read - tacit agreement with Kiev junta) this junta gained strength, took control into its own hands, sent some Ukrainians to kill others .. And I will say now why you were silent. Or barked with us, with the Russians.
    You all until the last moment believed that a miracle would happen - and all of you, suddenly, will live a rich, beautiful, European life! .. Right in the morning !!! ... Not that we are scoops! ... Here she is a dream and idiots - without doing anything, go in one fell swoop into another life! ... A dream is good - no doubt. But what, in order to live in a European way you have to enter somewhere ??? ..
    What prevented you from building a European society with European values ​​in your own country ??? ............
    With what fright did you decide that you will be paid European salaries and pensions ??? .. Europe has gone to its prosperity for decades, but you wanted to jump for a year? .. And European pensions - you have to earn them in Europe, for years !!!. Why should Europe pay them to you? Did you pay taxes to Europe? .. No! Have you worked for Europe and its economy ?. Also no. So WHAT did you count on? What will they support you for free, just like that ??? They won’t. Europe can count money.
    1. orphan 63
      orphan 63 24 November 2015 23: 13 New
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      You were also warned about communal tariffs - you laughed in our faces. And now, when it became clear to the most recent idiot that the EU is not shining for you, but only a slow extinction from rising prices, from rising "communal apartments", from falling social networks , from unemployment ... you suddenly suddenly became right !!!?
      Now that we are hovering over you and your efforts, you are calling us to be more tolerant, kinder to you. Say that they say it’s so hard for you, and then we add fuel to the fire, and we’re not ashamed ....
      And that’s all, mind you, for all that you didn’t bomb your cities, burn your houses, kill your children .... you didn’t survive what people in Donbass survived.
      I don’t mean that you survived all this - God forbid !!! .... But to remind you of this does not bother! .. This is to the question - who has the right to what. And we HAVE this right .... We have the right to poke you with your nose into the results of your "Revolution of Guerliness."
      It is not only Donbass a year ago that you betrayed with your silence. You and us, your Slavic brothers, have betrayed! ... For no more all over the world has your “Europeanness” hurt so much as for us Russians! .. You haven’t poured dirt on either Poles, Germans or French, nor (especially) Americans - you doused us ONLY!
      You all began to write and say the right thing! Suddenly, there were so many of you - you who disagree with the politics in your country !!. Where were you all ???? .. And I’ll tell you where!
      It’s you, a year ago everyone mocked us! .. You and no one else! You scoffed at our old-fashioned (for you then) values! You called us backward! You and no one else! ... And now we sympathize with you ... we invite you to live .... you complain about our life ... and we understand you ....
      You are offended when we offend you and your feelings (and I repent - not always by accident). Well, how about it! .. You have problems ... And we, because of you, silent prostitutes, you might think - they aren’t! ??? .. A whole bunch of your refugees that we should only contain !!! ...
      Scary are not evil. The indifferent are terrible. It is with their tacit consent that all crimes in the world are committed! .. Now, kaaaanechnooooo, you all understand! ... And a year ago everyone understood .... Only to us, then what? From your understanding ??? .. Donbass is broken, people who cannot be returned can die - and you tell us about your hard life ... And we arranged it for you ???? .. No! You did everything yourself. Or actions or inaction.
      1. orphan 63
        orphan 63 24 November 2015 23: 19 New
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        You are like worms - now trying to adapt to new conditions ... You will not fight! .. You are not the Donbass. Your gut is thin and sweet ... The girl who dreamed of lacy European shorts is already looking for work in Russia - among the backward, primitive, underdeveloped, Asian tribes of Russians. You will whine - how you feel bad, how bad your country is, what bastards have entrenched in the Rada ... But, beyond these complaints you will not do anything and nothing will happen. Already whining.
        And again, urge us not to "row all Ukrainians under one comb" ...
        This is now, when all your aspirations and dreams fell into tartarara, you crawled out from under a common comb - and a year ago you were quite comfortable under it! ... I dare to think that you still hate us - because we were smarter, wiser and more perspicacious than you. But, hell, you admit this !!! !!! You, it turns out, ALL KNEW AND A YEAR BACK! .... You know, we somehow did not notice it !!! ..
        You say one thing - then forget about what was said - then say another and say that you always thought so ... But, you forget it. But we are not. And now it’s impossible to pretend that everything has returned to its “circles” and again we are brothers ...
        Yes, we’re talking with you, we’re talking, we’re still worried .... There are so many groups open to support your anti-Maidan on the Internet - we are still fighting for you ....
        But, we remember - there is a shot Donbass.
        And you won’t win back even with your repentance.
        By the way, there was no repentance - and no from you ...
        You will now look for the guilty on the side - it has always been so. So it will be now. You have not changed. And those who mocked us Russians a year ago, and those who now "understand" all are the same people. Born to crawl - they will crawl all their lives ... (I write a lot of posts and articles on various forums and blogs - and I see that people write to me - so I know what I'm talking about ...)
        PS - by the way, all of you, suddenly "discerned and right" - are still few ... For 100 ukroidiots - you will be typed in only 5-6 people, no more ... The remaining 95 continue to pour mud on us .... Nor France, neither Germany, nor, especially the USA, but Russia and Russians ... you do not change, Ukrainians ... you just adapt again.
        http://worldcrisis.ru/crisis/wc_2089823 14.11.2015..
        1. tolancop
          tolancop 25 November 2015 01: 07 New
          +4
          orphan 63I support. But in fairness, I must say that some people in Ukraine very quickly realized what they got into. Literally in a month or two, they still didn’t fight in the Donbass, and understanding has already come to the part ...
          1. yehat
            yehat 26 November 2015 02: 46 New
            +2
            the non-interference is enough for the devil.
            I'm talking about recommending 5-6 people per 100.
            worst of all is what happens in the country's schools
            shit on the Russians and the history of Russia is simply colossal.
            which is curious, almost no one speaks and does not know in schools that the repressions in the 20-30s were not dispersed by Stalin (he, on the contrary, stopped them), but by local bullies like Nikita Sergeevich. No one says how much Ukraine received from the USSR and how much it lost during the period of independence. No one says that Poles, Turks, Germans, British were close to the fulfillment of the plans of genocide in Ukraine. It is clear that a teenager who hears only bad things about Russians will think so. In Ukraine, animals are raised that will knowingly and unreasonably harm the Russian Federation all their lives. And after that, more complaints?
        2. _Krechet_
          _Krechet_ 25 November 2015 16: 27 New
          -10
          Orphan 63 is “wonderful”, this addition makes your own position and understanding of the situation.

          Essentially - govnovbros and the joy of the fact that everything turned out like someone there predicted. But to write about the fact that someone did not do something there, or did not do it as it should, maybe even the latest liberal.

          But to be able to return a huge mass of people who have been under a strong ideological and ideological distortion for a long time to a normal state is not a task for wimps. And with such "wonderful additions" this issue is not resolved.

          With such additions, the author and you only insult everyone! All, without exception! And reading, and those about whom the article.
          At the same time, everyone who put + these three your posts - one level with you.
          1. orphan 63
            orphan 63 25 November 2015 17: 48 New
            +5
            But to be able to return a huge mass of people who have been under a strong ideological and ideological distortion for a long time to a normal state is not a task for wimps.

            your own position and understanding of the situation.


            Well, do not be weaklings, who's stopping you!
            Just do it at home and at your own expense. I will sincerely rejoice with you, if you suddenly succeed ......
  35. Sheikh
    Sheikh 24 November 2015 22: 46 New
    +1
    Quote: Baikonur
    I always said about them - "It's not just that there are jokes about their inside-out!" That says it all.


    don’t swear at people, they’re growing up, they want to get off our neck, it’s not from the common economic space, you shouldn’t swear at a relative who wants to live independently, tired of communicating with lapotny people, people want to go to Europe for a bright, distant dream, and you all prevent them from being happy, does this not remind anything?
    well let them go tries. if they want.
  36. berkut9737
    berkut9737 24 November 2015 22: 52 New
    +4
    Very lyrical article. And everything connected with the lyrics is very subjective. And the fact that emigrants leave for good is very controversial, because I know emigrants who have returned. And I also know immigrants who have died. But this does not mean that I have to draw conclusions, like, emigrants always come back or emigrants always die. But, the fact that immigrants exist is true. And what happens next to them, God alone knows, because His ways are mysterious. So, let’s not anger God by claiming that emigrants do not return.
  37. Turkir
    Turkir 24 November 2015 23: 05 New
    +5
    In their desire to “emigrate” from Russia, they have gained such speed that they cannot stop — now they want to emigrate from Ukraine.
    The infantility of the ethnos. They did not ask themselves a simple question: - And then what?
    “Then” turned out to be worse than they wanted. Now they are looking for the guilty.
  38. KRIG55
    KRIG55 24 November 2015 23: 16 New
    +4
    Smart learn from the mistakes of others, and not very much on their own. There is nothing to add. Rolling down is always easier.
  39. Seryoga Petrovich
    Seryoga Petrovich 24 November 2015 23: 22 New
    +1
    "News from Ukraine"

    UNDERSTAND THE SAME, FINALLY:

    The virus "in Ukraine", introduced in Ukraine
    http://rusmirzp.com/2013/02/13/category/society/11044

    EVERYONE whose soul has been enslaved by the spirit of UKRAINE is UKRAINE!

    UKRAINE as the most infamous betrayal of Russianness, - CAPUT !!!
    http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D3%EA%F0%E0%E8%ED%F1%F2%E2%EE
  40. Mantykora
    Mantykora 24 November 2015 23: 27 New
    -17
    Another article inciting hatred. What for? Is this Grishkovets not by chance the fifth column in Russia? I live in Ukraine, but for some reason I don’t feel the hatred of the Russians, I don’t feel the joy of the fall of A321. Am I the only one? Yes, write at least 100500 articles on the topic “Ukraine is bad, but all Ukrainians are even worse”, I still won’t believe it.

    Yes, there is a negative experience for individual characters, but why transfer it to everyone?
    Yes, the power in Ukraine is anti-people, the Nazis, organized crime groups, but why bother the people?
    Yes, the very name “Ukrainians” is used even out of habit, a Soviet-era error that is not rushed to be corrected either in Ukraine or in Russia, and even if you do it, it’s still a long time. Cultural habits and buzzwords are slowly changing.

    Much more can be said, but why? All the same, you will hear what you want ... like in Ukraine, unfortunately.
    1. GRIG
      GRIG 25 November 2015 01: 25 New
      14
      Quote: Mantykora
      Another article inciting hatred. What for?

      Do not understand a little? Do you propose to stop hating the Ukrainian people?
      And why does Russia need this, Russian?
      What is the reason to stop hating those who promised to put me on the knives in their races?
      Or maybe you have a reason that I would stop hating those Ukrainians who did not catch the Bandera antics.
      And how do I feel about those Ukrainians who have chosen themselves rulers of the shaving for any reason in my country?

      Or were these other Ukrainians? Not you? ... Is it some OTHER Ukrainian people that brought to power that always drunk, raunchy bitch who is listed by your president?

      Ukrainians have one of the features. Vile enough. Whatever they do, they demand from others that this is exactly what they want. Neither the right attitude, nor adequate, nor fair, but only what they think is right and necessary for themselves. And, of course, they consider themselves in the right to dictate to everyone what kind of attitude should be towards them, regardless of their actions ... Well, whoever does not agree is reproached, assaulted, mocked, ridiculed, accused of anything.
      Here is one of the "charges." It seems to be not Russophobe, but Ukrainian:
      Quote: Mantykora
      You will hear what you want anyway

      Mantykorafirst.
      We have the RIGHT to draw our conclusions from what we see and hear in Ukraine. Consistent with their concepts of good and evil, honor and conscience, decency and justice.
      Second: not for you, not in your pose of the “cancer” in which you are now in, trying to dictate something to the Russians, or call them to something.
      Call on your fellow tribesmen to "peace and order." And it turns out that in front of our junta, the language is in the ass, and we come to the Russians with attempts to blame them "for inciting hatred."

      And another, incidental question, here is this:
      Quote: Mantykora
      Yes, the power in Ukraine is anti-people, the Nazis, organized crime groups, but why bother the people?

      Does it make sense to call people living in Ukraine peopleif he allowed himself to be ruled by anti-people puppet power, the Nazis and organized crime groups?
    2. a housewife
      a housewife 25 November 2015 01: 35 New
      +3
      What to call you? H.ohlami? You are offended. Although what's wrong? Little Russians? Long and too formal. Russian? You don’t want to. You separate yourself from us. Thank you for not hating the Russians, but this only means that you do not consider yourself Russian. And what kind of Russians are you after all? So tell me what to call you now?
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    4. Buchki
      Buchki 25 November 2015 02: 09 New
      0
      Quote: Mantykora
      Another article inciting hatred. What for?


      You are not quite right in evaluating the article - you are being minus for this (I do not do this, since your position, at least, is understandable).
      The author of the article outlined a trend that, unfortunately, is present - look at the objective Ukrainian statistics - 53% of Ukrainian citizens are hostile towards Russia, and an increase in negative sentiments has also been noted.
      The fact that your position does not contain aggression, and the fact that your status at VO is a “real colonel” leaves hope that the above alarming% in Ukraine will decrease.
      But in general, as I have noted, mainly Russians in VO painfully write about the existing relations with Ukraine - this is treated like a prodigal son. But only in his schism, he somehow went far, came close to the point of no return: ((
      1. Mobilized
        Mobilized 25 November 2015 11: 02 New
        +3
        Quote: Buchki
        But in general, as I have noted, mainly Russians in VO painfully write about the existing relations with Ukraine - this is treated like a prodigal son. But only in his schism, he somehow went far, came close to the point of no return: ((

        That is, not yet crossed? And what else must he do to cross this point of no return? Do you personally cause irreparable damage? Only then will you understand?
    5. skymit
      skymit 27 November 2015 00: 50 New
      -2
      I agree. Grishkovets is a rare graphomaniac and relishes his graphomania.
      As for the separation of Russians / Ukrainians, if you imagine that we have overcome it, it would make us incomparably stronger. Russia was divided and is divided further. How the villages were divided not of the poor and the kulaks. So Tambov and Bryansk can be separated from Moscow and this is not as difficult as it seems. Quarrels of family people are often overcome the most difficult. Ukraine is our land and our people live there. Deceived, robbed, embittered in places, but ours.
  41. pvv113
    pvv113 24 November 2015 23: 30 New
    +1
    The letters contained good stories and reports about how all is well ...

    Copied letters are evidence of massive zombies negative
  42. Mestny
    Mestny 24 November 2015 23: 32 New
    +2
    I answered all letters, expressed sincere joy, and did not ask any questions, which, of course, arose by default.

    How??? What for???
    What joy can be expressed in relation to the one who sincerely wished, and still wishes you to die a shameful death in order to jump on your grave?
    Here it is the main problem - the eternal intellectual sussing, gasps and sighs about humanity and forgiveness. It was with this mumble that our troubles and millions of victims always began.
    It was it that always came to the fore instead of a clear, clear, understandable answer to frank shit pouring under the undisguised laughter of process observers.
    Well, it would seem that everything is clear, the enemy has manifested itself precisely as the enemy. So do not let it at least if there are no other opportunities to oppose it.
    But no, again on the same rake. They are people too, and maybe not bad, or at least not all, there are good ones.
    And then these good ones suddenly, unexpectedly again give the philosopher-philanthropist a snot, and he sincerely resents and wonders - how so? People, I loved you all. and you...
    1. Turkir
      Turkir 25 November 2015 17: 52 New
      0
      Here it is the main problem - the eternal intellectual sussing, gasps and sighs about humanity and forgiveness. It was with this mumble that our troubles and millions of victims always began.

      You are just like an intellectual James Joyce - a continuous stream of consciousness.
  43. tyras85
    tyras85 25 November 2015 00: 31 New
    +6
    It's time to "close the topic" about Ukraine. A purely personal opinion.
    1. sovereign "power"
    2. "free" and joyful citizens
    3. "legal and transparent" elections (no one drove at gunpoint)
    4. Russia-interferes with the "development" of freedom and Euro-values ​​(there were none or were forgotten)
    5. the complete denial of the whole Russian, more hostile people "independent"
    6. dirty tricks, blackmail, begging (threatening form)
    7. the desire to "forget everything", the tsarist, Soviet, RUSSIAN
    8. The desire for great world differentiation, but this is mania (psycho-disorder.)
    9. The "greatness" of the nation and its "members
    10. all of the above-sado-Mozahist fascism
    What to write more? With whom to "dialogue"? There is a boat and rowers. Let them swim and row!
    RUSSIA and what? Do not step on manure and you will not smell badly! The only way.
    We, citizens, require the care and attention of the state. Crimea, in the long term, Transnistria is a superstructure on the RUSSIAN SUVOROVSK land. Profunded, overnight. Lost, return with honor Worthy!
    Today, RUSSIA, Ukraine is not on the way. Time will tell. Now internal concerns in RUSSIA are the MAIN!
  44. beer-youk
    beer-youk 25 November 2015 01: 35 New
    +2
    Quote: SPACE
    Whether the article, fiction or reality, it doesn’t matter anyway crap, someone? Rush to argue? It may be the end of Ukraine, but neither the end of the earth nor the end of history, much is yet to come and purgatory and its own to appear.
    Z.Y. Nothing can be taken from a bear, no one can do it ...


    Tie it is time with a heavy foolishness !!!
  45. 1536
    1536 25 November 2015 02: 20 New
    +4
    Another nonsense aimed at evoking sympathy for the Ukrainians. They not only “write letters” to their reference points, they are already physically digging on them and are working to decompose Russian society. By talking, as if by chance in the subway, on the bus, in the market, in the store, convincing how good things were in Ukraine, "how many more years must pass before the Ukrainians forget the insults (!) Inflicted by the Russians" ... Well , and so on. Pay attention to others, listen to these casual conversations. I am sure that at least one in a day you will hear. These are professional meritors! All they need is an indemnity from Russia, with each of its citizens, starting with a baby, selling its wealth, they need to control the fate of people. Such a people with wolf teeth, but in sheep's clothing. This is not to be a surprise, a “stab in the back” when subsequent events show the correctness of the above. Forewarned is forearmed. And one more thing: the raven will not peck out the crow's eye!
  46. Pak_c_TonopoM
    Pak_c_TonopoM 25 November 2015 02: 33 New
    +2
    I can subscribe to every word of the author. A similar situation. My relatives are there. And also such caring steel, sympathetic ... They tell how wonderful life is. Only their business has gone somewhere, they don’t specify ......
  47. magician
    magician 25 November 2015 03: 33 New
    +2
    But he is right. Sadly, but right! (((My acquaintances from Nikolaev wrote the same letters to me.
  48. Mantykora
    Mantykora 25 November 2015 04: 26 New
    -6
    Quote: GRIG
    Do not understand a little? Do you propose to stop hating the Ukrainian people?
    And why does Russia need this, Russian?
    What is the reason to stop hating those who promised to put me on the knives in their races?

    And starting to hate, you become like maydaunam. Nudge you a little more in reciprocal hatred and you will already shout "Khokhlov to the knives." What is the difference then? As Stalin said: "Hitlers come and go, but the German people remain."
    Quote: GRIG
    Or maybe you have a reason that I would stop hating those Ukrainians who did not catch the Bandera antics.
    And how do I feel about those Ukrainians who have chosen themselves rulers of the shaving for any reason in my country?

    Do you stop many tricks? On a global scale? Yesterday, the Turks of Russia did not give a shit, do you now hate the whole Turkish people? "Chose" - do you believe in fair elections? especially if the goal is set - to choose the one you need? Here it’s not necessary about the elections - 2 / 3 of the country (according to statistics, it didn’t go to the last elections at all - has something changed?
    Quote: GRIG
    Whatever they do, they demand from others that this is exactly what they want. Neither the right attitude, nor adequate, nor fair, but only what they think is right and necessary for themselves.

    и
    Quote: GRIG
    We have the RIGHT to draw our conclusions from what we see and hear in Ukraine. Consistent with their concepts of good and evil, honor and conscience, decency and justice.

    Everyone has their own justice. Often even perverted, I agree. I do not say that in Ukraine a normal concept of justice.
    Quote: GRIG
    Second: not for you, not in your pose of the “cancer” in which you are now in, trying to dictate something to the Russians, or call them to something.
    Call on your fellow tribesmen to "peace and order." And it turns out that in front of our junta, the language is in the ass, and we come to the Russians with attempts to blame them "for inciting hatred."

    Transition to the individual. Do not you talk about my position and where I have my tongue. You do not know me. And the junta is not mine. And I say where there is even the slightest hope that they will hear me, not only here. You didn’t seem to listen, like so many in Ukraine.
    Quote: GRIG
    Here is one of the "charges." It seems to be not Russophobe, but Ukrainian:

    Quote: housewife
    that you don’t consider yourself Russian. And what kind of Russians are you after all? So tell me what to call you now?

    The main thing is that they decided for me who I consider myself. Even in the birth certificate issued by the Union - I am Russian. Russian living in Ukraine. It just so happened. And I do not blame anyone.
    1. GRIG
      GRIG 25 November 2015 11: 10 New
      +8
      Quote: Mantykora
      And starting to hate, you become like maydaunam. Nudge you a little more in reciprocal hatred and you will already shout "Khokhlov to the knives."

      Eco, how cool you have painted everything about us. Directly purely on the Ukrainian mentality.
      Not lost in the intricacies of our peoples?
      The concept of "hatred" of Russians towards the Ukrainian people, you are "introduced" here.
      The words "contempt", "disgust", they say something to you?
      And with what fright should I shout "Ukrainians on knives"? You, those same "Ukrainians", in fact, who am I, what would I ride in the squares because of you? And who are you to my country?

      Quote: Mantykora
      What is the difference then? As Stalin said: "Hitlers come and go, but the German people remain."

      Yeah, just from which side does this apply to the Ukrainian people?
      Or do you imagine yourself Germans already? Like, like, Europeans? Or maybe sound German values ​​are preached and embodied, such as plowing for the good of the country, and not jumping on the Maidan?
      Or can you pick up quotes from other "greats" about Ukrainians, "eternal traitors"?
      Should I look for them for you, or do you know yourself?
      Quote: Mantykora
      Do you stop many tricks? On a global scale? Yesterday, the Turks of Russia did not give a shit, do you now hate the whole Turkish people?

      And what, the Turks are already massively jumping in the squares with yelling "yaku gilyaku"?
      Or maybe Turkish mothers carefully collect backpacks for their offspring so that they would go to the capital to wallow monuments to Lenin?
      No?
      So why are you worried about this? About the attitude of Russians towards the Turks?
      Or did someone appoint you to judge this relationship? Or is there a desire to dictate something here? And what does Ukraine, its people, have to do with relations between Russia and Turkey? Who are you here? Or maybe there is something really help? Or maybe there is a desire to shut up the mouth of your Turchinov about this incident? The one who started the massacre in the Donbass.
      Quote: Mantykora
      2/3 of the country (according to statistics, didn’t go to the last elections at all - has something changed?

      And what's that? Some incredible, overwhelming merit of the Ukrainian people? Is this just what gives you the right to demand something from the Russian people? Like, "we slammed our heads into the sand, and therefore we should not hate the Ukrainian people"? ... Isn't the argument weak?
      Quote: Mantykora
      Everyone has their own justice. Often even perverted, I agree. I do not say that in Ukraine a normal concept of justice.

      AND? I correctly understand that your attempts to urge the Russians not to hate the Ukrainians are precisely caused by the perverted Ukrainian concepts of justice? Like the phrase "And for what?" now it looks like "Maybe we don’t need to?"
    2. GRIG
      GRIG 25 November 2015 11: 12 New
      +9
      Quote: Mantykora
      Transition to the individual. Do not you talk about my position and where I have my tongue.

      Do not flatter yourself. It was about the Ukrainian people standing cancer, but at the same time allowing himself to blame the Russians like hating his beloved.
      And your personality, as such, interests me a little.
      At least by the fact that he allows himself to try to “blame me” for the type of Ukrainian people for the type of hatred towards me. It’s as if I didn’t see the children of Kiev riding greats screaming “Putin -... la-la-la” (find a video?). It’s as if I don’t know who taught them this (the very Ukrainian “simple” people). Or maybe I should respect those “simple” Ukrainian mothers who lovingly gather their children to kill the children of Donbass, and then boast in front of their neighbors, microwaved, refrigerators and carpets, squeezed by these children from the old people of Lugansk region?
      Similar examples, about the "simple" Ukrainian people, whose lawyer are you trying to speak here, I can put you a carriage and a small cart ... Need?

      It’s one thing when you, in your midst, among the very “simple” Ukrainian people, explain why they hate him, despise, and reject them in Russia. And it’s completely different when you try to “force” Russians to “love and sympathy” ... By the way, once again demonstrating the ukropprinciple that everyone owes you everything.
      Quote: Mantykora
      You didn’t seem to listen

      Do not lie. We listened to your attempts. They listened and answered. And they even explained their “Thank you, we don’t need anything from you”, especially regarding your instructions on how we should “correctly” treat the Ukrainian “simple” people.

      And yes, I repeat my question.
      What is the real reason not to despise, not to tear away, not to hate what you call the “simple” Ukrainian people.
    3. a housewife
      a housewife 25 November 2015 13: 32 New
      +6
      Why did my quote break so? Where is the beginning of the sentence? And it is from him that it is clear why you do not consider yourself Russian! Despite the fact that it says in the passport. If "buffalo" is written on a cage with a tiger - do not believe your eyes! If someone looks like a cat, walks like a cat, meows like a cat, then this is a cat, not a dog. And you were not indignant, well, by chance, when the pharioness broadcast that the Russians were there, and there should not be Russians in Ukraine. And Russian names should not be! There should not be Mashenka, but only Marichka. If I lived there, I would then, on her advice, yes - I would pack my bags and hit the road to my beloved Russia! Yes, maybe I’m a coward, but I would not risk staying with the Nazis. And everything suited you then, and that means now. And I don’t recognize any Ukrainians by nationality, only by Ukrainian cockroaches in my head. Who is Russian by passport? And who is in the brain?
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    5. Turkir
      Turkir 25 November 2015 17: 56 New
      +1
      And I say where there is even the slightest hope that they will hear me, not only here. You didn’t seem to listen, like so many in Ukraine.

      Well, if they don’t listen to you anywhere: neither here nor there, it means that you are neither here nor here.
    6. KaPToC
      KaPToC 25 November 2015 22: 12 New
      0
      Yanukovych comes and goes, but the Ukrainian people remain!
      The fact is that the Yanukovych remained, and the people leave, come.
  49. Mantykora
    Mantykora 25 November 2015 04: 27 New
    0
    Quote: Buchki
    Ukrainian statistics - 53% of Ukrainian citizens are hostile to Russia

    Believe Ukrainian statistics - do not respect yourself. There is a lie, there is a big lie, and there are statistics. 20-30% can and will believe. 50% still do not care, the rest ... But I do not pretend to be absolute numbers.
    Quote: Buchki
    Your position does not contain aggression

    I try to restrain myself, for which I tried to call in my first post. Because hatred, narcissism of many comments begin to resemble the Censor on the other hand. What I tried to pay attention to, and not to blame.
    Quote: Buchki
    for this you are minus

    Let the minus, this is not the worst thing in life. I am not a banknote.
    Quote: 1536
    it became good in Ukraine, "how many more years must pass before the Ukrainians forget the insults (!) inflicted by the Russians" ... Well, and so on. Pay attention to others, listen to these casual conversations. I am sure that at least one in a day you will hear.

    Where do you live? In Ukraine? Something I didn’t hear such conversations “became good in Ukraine” in the metro, on the bus, in the market, in the store ... If you take the market, then there is a selected Russian mat on the topic “it was good to live”. The rest of the comment is nonsense from Ukrainian TV, and not private conversations of the majority.
    1. 97110
      97110 26 November 2015 22: 30 New
      +2
      Dear Mantykora. The VO rules prohibit the repeated minuscation of even commentators like you. Try to understand the reaction minus your posts. We are not interested in what fools patients think when they took advantage of staff oversight with the open door. The duty of politeness makes you answer. You just need to "... wash, prick and forget." Everyone will be better off.
  50. Zhito
    Zhito 25 November 2015 04: 32 New
    +2
    From me the emigrant turned out to be involuntarily ... It so happened ...
    Yes, indeed, by and large, the author has correctly described the majority ... that I often have to deal with.
    But there are others ... But we are few.
    Those who continue to love their homeland, whatever the negative happens. Those who want the legal successor of the USSR to become the strongest and leading power in the world, once again uniting the Slavs ...
    I regret that most of my friends from Ukraine have become "maidanut" ... And the connection with them somehow melted ... But there were others who did not accept and did not accept, and will never accept this new time.
    Maybe this is for the best ...? Maybe sooner or later there will be a cleansing ...? I would like to believe. But so far, it doesn’t work out.
    "Duren Dumka Bagat" ... That's how my acquaintances Ukrainians ...
    How many did not tell them about the problems of survival in the States, do not ... They do not believe ...
    All tourists are in awe of the States ... (((

    And yet...
    The most "patriotic" Ukrainians (not all, of course, but most), dream of falling off of Ukraine ....
    404 ... that country, that people ... (((
    They continue to believe in a fairy tale, as in the 91st ... (((
    1. Turkir
      Turkir 25 November 2015 18: 09 New
      +1
      There are positive people who are creating.
      You cannot create anything by denying it. Such is the "culture" of Ukrainians, through "not" - we are not:
      1. not Russia
      2. not Russian
      3. not Orthodox
      4. not Muscovites
      5. not the Poles
      6. who does not jump that mosk.
      7. this is not our ... history, literature ..
      etc. etc.
      Now that they themselves have “proved” to themselves, including us, it remains to prove to themselves - who are they?
      Who are you..? I do not ...
      Are you ..? I do not ...
      This is the Great Void, the Black Hole into which Consciousness has flowed.
      -----------
      Pay attention to this.
      1. yehat
        yehat 26 November 2015 02: 48 New
        0
        one of the famous wrote that nihilism testifies to the wretchedness of attitude.