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Indonesia to invest in ambitious South Korean project KF-X $ 1,5 billion

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Indonesia decided to join the South Korean project "KF-X - Porame" to create a new fighter, despite the ongoing disputes around it and the hazy prospects of the development itself, reports Rossiyskaya Gazeta.


Indonesia to invest in ambitious South Korean project KF-X $ 1,5 billion


The publication reminds that South Korea recently decided to implement the project.

"The fighter must have two engines, possess some elements of the stealth technology and surpass the Korean Air Force's KF-16 main machine in combat performance," the newspaper writes. Total plans to build 120 such machines. Total expenses should exceed $ 20 billion. This amount includes development, which will cost $ 8 billion.

Seoul is hoping for help from the concern Lockheed Martin, which promised to provide 25 key technologies. The Koreans were confident that they would receive these technologies in exchange for their commitment to American technology - Lockheed Martin got the contract for the delivery of forty F-35 fighter jets to Seoul.

However, the concern recently notified Korea that it cannot transfer 4 from 25 to the promised technologies. And they turned out to be extremely important for the development of a new aircraft.

However, this did not frighten Indonesia. Yesterday, its defense concern PTDI signed a cooperation agreement with the South Korean company Korea Aerospace Industries (KAI), according to which the Indonesian company pledged to pay 20% of the amount needed to develop an experienced aircraft. That is, we are talking about about $ 1,5 billion.

The agreements provide for the participation of Indonesians "in the development of the new fighter, the production of some components, as well as the receipt of technical information and one prototype fighter," the publication said.

All the formalities of the participation of the Indonesian side in the project will be clarified before the end of the year when another contract is signed - already with the South Korean Defense Development Program Agency, which is responsible for implementing the KF-X project in combination.

Although Indonesia from the very beginning showed interest in the development, many experts expressed the view that it could refuse to participate in the project against the background of serious difficulties that had arisen. But, apparently, the Indonesians raised the hype about the technology did not bother. Such a move by Jakarta very much pleased the Koreans, who said that the new investments "would give the project a new impetus."
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  1. AdekvatNICK
    AdekvatNICK 23 November 2015 19: 10
    +8
    Indonesia decided to join the South Korean project ......

    I understand purely money, only they joined.
    1. Sergey-8848
      Sergey-8848 23 November 2015 19: 12
      +8
      It seems that so far not even with money, but only with words about them.
    2. kil 31
      kil 31 23 November 2015 19: 20
      12
      Kill me, but I do not understand the southerners. They openly begin to bend you over on promises, and they continue to cooperate. There will be more, and there is nothing not to blame, they are being drawn into this scam. Guys, you have the experience of working with us. NASA refused to help you, and our Roscosmos helped you make a rocket. Well, please contact us and bring your friends.
      1. Altona
        Altona 23 November 2015 21: 08
        +8
        Quote: keel 31
        Although you kill me, but I do not understand southerners. They openly bend you according to promises, and they continue to cooperate.

        -------------------------------
        Do you think a foreign military presence is a sufficient tool for bending over?
      2. goblin xnumx
        goblin xnumx 23 November 2015 23: 18
        0
        and you mean Roskosmos:) - helped, was sent, and again happy to help, what is incomprehensible here?
    3. Juborg
      Juborg 23 November 2015 21: 07
      +2
      You can invest in it, but pastoralists do not transfer technology and avionics to Koreans.
      1. SSR
        SSR 23 November 2015 21: 42
        +2
        Quote: juborg
        You can invest in it, but pastoralists do not transfer technology and avionics to Koreans.

        So far, the refusal of 25, the transfer of four and, as they say, "key" technologies, but apparently the Koreans predicted such an alignment and other technologies are critically important to them. It is much easier to ponder four technologies themselves than 25.
        In the countries of the Asia-Pacific region, the analogue of the cunning Jew of the Jew is Korean. (It’s a jerk)
        In general, it should be recognized that a number of military technologies or dual-use, at the height of Koreans, Japanese Mitsubishi makes its own fighter, the Chinese do .... Years when it was possible to look down on the inhabitants of the Asia-Pacific region.
        1. Altona
          Altona 23 November 2015 21: 45
          +3
          Quote: SSR
          In general, it should be recognized that a number of military technologies or dual-use, at the height of Koreans, Japanese Mitsubishi makes its own fighter, the Chinese do .... Years when it was possible to look down on the inhabitants of the Asia-Pacific region.

          ------------------------
          In 1994, KIA made cars similar to our 10th Lada, now they are making Toyota analogs. They catch up quickly or catch up ...
        2. Manul
          Manul 24 November 2015 00: 19
          +1
          Quote: SSR
          Finding out four technologies themselves is much easier than 25.

          Yes, there is no doubt that there is no technological base. Although it is quite possible to buy from other countries. Obviously, the Koreans are counting on something.
          One secret of 25 is, for example, for sure a coverless cover. But we never learned how to do such things, although we can survive without it. It is unlikely that this technology entered the forbidden four.
      2. Basarev
        Basarev 23 November 2015 21: 49
        -4
        South Koreans are not northern. And so with avionics, they will be all right. Here are just a radar coverage raises doubts. Admittedly: in stealth technologies, Americans are world leaders. And despite all the ultra-patriotic frenzy, they work. We continue to sacrifice everything in the name of outdated super-maneuverability. Our strategists can’t understand in any way: the time of dog dumps is gone forever.
        1. st25310
          st25310 23 November 2015 22: 28
          0
          "KF-X - Poramé". Is this something like "Paramogi"? laughing
        2. KCA
          KCA 23 November 2015 23: 24
          +2
          that the F-117A successfully proved, having managed to withstand the S-125 complex, launched in 1976, just before the 1999 war in Yugoslavia, and 2 more were lost, as usual in the US Army, due to air crashes not related to hostile influence, and this is only official data
          1. Manul
            Manul 24 November 2015 00: 29
            0
            Quote: KCA
            that F-117A successfully proved, having managed to resist the S-125 complex

            crying Oh, if you knew how many times this was cited here as an example. And they answer many, many times - the downed F-117A flew the same route so many times that it could already be removed from the slingshot. Look for details yourself hi
            1. chebman
              chebman 24 November 2015 06: 48
              +1
              Following your logic, does the invisibility that 10 flew along one route once already ceases to be invisible? Strange physical principles, however! Ukrainian scientists nervously smoke on the sidelines.
        3. Manul
          Manul 24 November 2015 00: 24
          +3
          Quote: Basarev
          the time of dog dumps is gone forever.

          Of course. Nobody wants to fly like an iron anyway. Someday they will learn to see camouflage, and maneuverability for a combat aircraft has never been superfluous.
      3. shosha
        shosha 23 November 2015 22: 10
        0
        Another soap bubble.
    4. vodolaz
      vodolaz 23 November 2015 21: 21
      +2
      The Americans have wonderful ways of persuading their allies, which are essentially vassals: military bases. South Korea again raped.
    5. viktor561
      viktor561 23 November 2015 22: 04
      +2
      I don’t understand South Korea — it’s in a state of permanent war with the North, and for Indonesia, why such a fighter - against India - or Australia? - Maybe against the Russian Federation?
    6. oldseaman1957
      oldseaman1957 24 November 2015 04: 09
      +1
      Quote: AdekvatNICK
      ... purely money, only they joined.
      - South Korea, despite its small size, can produce almost EVERYTHING. Ship and aircraft, electronics of the UK are the world leaders. And, if they want to, they will. Well, if Indonesia still threw some money on this matter, then this is an extra reason for the Koreans to exert themselves.
      PS And Russia would not be bad to cooperate with them, but here the United States rules the ball ...
  2. NEXUS
    NEXUS 23 November 2015 19: 10
    14
    Lockhit Martin makes money from the air ... help with technology and bring in 40 Lightings with subsequent maintenance. That's how we would learn to make money from promises and dubious refinement of technology. And as for the Korean fighter, it’s so far from the prototype.
    But looking at the layout, I thought about the Raptor ... it really looked like him.
    1. APASUS
      APASUS 23 November 2015 19: 24
      +2
      Quote: NEXUS
      Lockhit Martin makes money from the air ... help with technology and bring in 40 Lightings followed by those services. Here's how to learn how to make money from promises and dubious refinement of technologies

      They all receive money from the air, and the next contracts will be so concluded all the more in the wake of hysteria in the media, and not based on the analysis of military clashes with the Russians.
      Now of us in the West they are sculpting another barbarian !!
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 23 November 2015 19: 27
        +3
        Quote: APASUS
        Now of us in the West they are sculpting another barbarian !!

        Only from this modeling the result is the opposite, because the hands themselves from this exercise to the very top of the head in manure hi
        1. Baikonur
          Baikonur 23 November 2015 19: 29
          0
          Quote: NEXUS
          Lockhit Martin makes money from the air
          Because - LOKH-KID.alkin!
        2. APASUS
          APASUS 23 November 2015 19: 51
          +2
          Quote: NEXUS
          Only from this modeling the result is the opposite, because the hands themselves from this exercise to the very top of the head in manure

          I can assure you that this seems to you. Just look at what TAM writes about us, and our press is more likely for the inner ear, so there will always be a buyer for their weapons.
          Just a small excerpt:
          November 23 2015 city
          Anthony Ritzshel | Süddeutsche zeitung
          How Russia corrects its history

          "At the end of 2014, President Vladimir Putin said that history cannot be written anew. But during his presidency in Russia, the attitude towards the history of the country has changed dramatically - much has been whitewashed and reinterpreted in favor of the new identity of the Russian people. And an exhibition created with the participation of the Russian authorities." My story. XX century. 1914-1945 "in the Moscow Manege became the sad apogee of this tendency," writes the journalist of the German newspaper Sueddeutsche Zeitung Anthony Rietzschel. By the way, the name itself was chosen "very accurately, since the exhibition presented a one-sided view of history."

          "For example, they preferred to hide the worst in a small niche on the wall," says the author: "One of the maps shows the Soviet Gulag camps, which were an important part of the Stalinist regime of terror." According to Russian historians, 2,5 million people died in the camps, and another 800 Soviet citizens were shot during the "purges". “But this is just an insignificant figure compared to 20 million killed during the Great Patriotic War,” the journalist quotes the guide as saying. According to him, "there was no real camp system in the country." But the listeners do not mind or ask again. "They are simply not interested in knowing the dark pages of the history of Russia. Hiding these dark pages is precisely the goal of the exhibition organizers," Ritschel emphasizes.

          Stalin is assigned an entire hall. The guide is standing against the wall on which quotes about the dictator are written.
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 23 November 2015 19: 59
            +3
            Quote: APASUS
            I can assure you that this seems to you. Just look at what TAM writes about us, and our press is more likely for the inner ear, so there will always be a buyer for their weapons.

            Time will put everything in its place. And thanks for the passage. I often read this western nonsense in order to keep abreast of new trends. hi
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        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 23 November 2015 19: 30
          +1
          Quote: Baikonur
          Because - LOKH-KID.alkin!

          MMM nervously smokes in the vestibule, with such profits. wassat
      4. saturn.mmm
        saturn.mmm 23 November 2015 19: 48
        +2
        Quote: NEXUS
        Lockhit Martin makes money from the air ..

        Quote: APASUS
        They all get money from the air

        Of course, we do not like the Americans a bit, but Lockheath Martin is a huge production complex and a successful commercial component speaks of good managers at the enterprise.
        And Americans make dollars out of paper, by the way, over the past week, the US public debt has grown by 50 billion.
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 23 November 2015 19: 55
          +2
          Quote: saturn.mmm
          Of course we don't like the Americans a bit

          For the past 70 years, the United States has been our strategic adversary, who has dreamed of destroying us more than once. And to say that “we have a little dislike for the Americans” is the same as Chikotilo most of Russia slightly condemns.

          Quote: saturn.mmm
          but Lockhit Martin is a huge production complex and a successful commercial component speaks of good managers in the enterprise.

          Here I agree with you. They are noble traders.
          Quote: saturn.mmm
          And Americans make dollars out of paper, by the way, over the past week, the US public debt has grown by 50 billion.

          External debt is 18 trillion, internal 16 ... what is 50 billion in comparison with such figures. hi
        2. APASUS
          APASUS 23 November 2015 21: 40
          +2
          Quote: saturn.mmm
          Of course, we do not like the Americans a bit, but Lockheath Martin is a huge production complex and a successful commercial component speaks of good managers at the enterprise. And Americans make dollars out of paper, by the way, over the past week the US public debt has grown by 50 billion.

          Ah ah ah, I’ll pay for the ability of super managers to promote their budget on a threat from Russia!
          And now to the income
          The company receives 95% of revenue from orders from the US Department of Defense
          but is it about this now? Lockheed Martin supports independent mediaand they inflate a rubber horse from Russia, and as a result, Lockheed Martin receives an order for the not-so-ready, but terribly expensive F-35, which has already been released in an amount of more than 200 pieces, but has never taken part in hostilities, but he Super superbut Americans are hammering in the bay on the old F-16 Fighting Falcon.
          What the Americans really learned is to breed money, live on credit and tell everyone how to live !!!
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    3. Starover_Z
      Starover_Z 23 November 2015 19: 32
      +2
      Quote: NEXUS
      Lockhit Martin makes money from the air ... help with technology and bring in 40 Lightings followed by those services. Here we would learn how to make money from promises and dubious refinement of technologies.

      Yes, they have their own encryption chip for each block and you can’t do anything there if you fail, you’ll only damage it!
      If you want a guarantee and service staff - pay! If you don’t want to, a year or two of warranty can work, and there you can throw the faucets, but they won’t throw the price even without a guarantee!
      You really need to encrypt your technique too!
  3. RUSS
    RUSS 23 November 2015 19: 13
    +6
    With all due respect to Korea, guys, you better do what you do well. "
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 23 November 2015 19: 47
      +3
      Koreans know how to do (and do well) almost everything.
      Electronics, cars, heavy construction equipment, ships.
      Only warplanes remained. Although training reactive - already do.
      1. cniza
        cniza 23 November 2015 20: 30
        +3
        Quote: voyaka uh
        Koreans know how to do (and do well) almost everything.
        Electronics, cars, heavy construction equipment, ships.
        Only warplanes remained. Although training reactive - already do.



        But the planes will learn to do.
        1. opus
          opus 23 November 2015 23: 35
          +3
          Quote: cniza
          But the planes will learn to do.

          know how
          In 1999, the aviation divisions of the country's three leading financial and industrial groups (Daewoo, Hyundai and Samsung) were merged into a single aerospace corporation - Korea Aerospace Industries (KAI)






          the production of airplanes, helicopters, aircraft engines and avionics (AEC) has long been mastered there. In particular, the licensed assembly of tactical fighters, light and multi-purpose helicopters, the production of light attack aircraft and training aircraft, as well as various types of turboprops and jet engines were mastered.


          and rockets the same:
          LIG NEX1 Co., formerly NEX1 future, formerly System Division of LG lnnotek Co.. At the appropriate factories, licensed production of the following types of missiles has been established: the upgraded version of the TP "Onest John", the MIM-1 "Nike-Hercules" ("Nike-KM") missiles and its modifications - the NHK-1 "Henmu" in the OTRt version of the SAM Improved Hawk, Cheonma. Anti-ship missiles SSM-14OK "Kheson", UR "Sidewinder", NUR for MLRS of South Korean production "Kuren", as well as launchers of aircraft, helicopters, P2RK "Mistral" and "Chiron".
          The result of cooperation between the LIG Neks-1 company (the general layout of the rocket) and the South Korean-French joint venture Samsung Thales. engaged in the production of target tracking radar and missile honor control, is the Chhonma (Pegasus) anti-aircraft missile system. A number of technologies of the French corporation "Crotal" were used in its development. Serial production of the air defense system has been established since 1988.
          The LIG Neks-1 company, with the technical assistance of Russian specialists, based on the Igla MANPADS, has created a KP-SAM Chiron portable short-range air defense system.
          Since 2004, the company began its mass production.
          Since 2002, LIG ​​Neks-1 has been implementing the signed Russian Korean contracts for the joint development of the KM-SAM medium-range anti-aircraft missile system based on the S-300PMU1 air defense system.
      2. 9lvariag
        9lvariag 24 November 2015 04: 22
        +1
        Able to? wink
        Exaggerated household appliances, with exaggerated price just know how. And televisions with a contrast of 50 million: 1 and a scan of 1500 hertz! And also with a bent AMOLED, so that his defects would not be visible and that he would not watch the film with his family. And also useless and commercial Smart TV, which knocks on you is unclear to anyone.
        And they also make KIA Sportage - which is not a jeep. but it stands like a good "Kruzak" and "Pahero"! winked
        Well, this list can be continued with hundreds of models of phones "Skis" and "Gnusmas."
    2. aba
      aba 23 November 2015 20: 15
      +3
      With all due respect to Korea, guys, you better do what you do well. "

      With the same success, Western "partners" can tell us: "Pump oil and gas over the hill in silence. And it is better according to our instructions."

      And I do not like it!

      PS And surprisingly, even China wants not only to dress the whole world.
    3. opus
      opus 23 November 2015 23: 22
      +6
      Quote: RUSS
      , guys, you better do what you do well "

      Well yes...
      1. UK produces 32% of all mobile phones in the world
      2. "Anatoly Kolodkin" became fourteenth large vesselbuilt at the shipyards of DSME by order of Sovcomflot group of companies.




      Several years ago, the South Korean corporation STX Offshore & Shipbuilding Co. won the contract for the construction of two new generation gas tankers for the Russian company Sovcomflot. Ltd. It was decided to name both gas tankers in honor of the ancient Russian cities - Veliky Novgorod and Pskov.


      Anyway ...
      At the shipyard of the South Korean company Samsung Heavy Industries, construction continues the largest towed vessel in the world - tanker Prelude, owned by Shell Corporation. Displacement of 600 tons, America's aircraft carriers rest


      There is also Hyundai Heavy Industries "lying around":17% of world ship production; 30% of world ship engine production.
      but these are trifles, right? belay

      3. The aviation industry is now in 15th place in the world,will be by 2020 at 7th
      -Times Aerospace Korea: largest in Asia subcontract factory for the assembly of helicopters Sikorsky S-61
      4. About automobile industry, food industry, oil refining


      ku, chemistry, semiconductors - in general, you can "keep silent" ..
      5. Russia and South Korea decided to stop cooperation in the rocket and space industry (due to our stocks, moreover)
      RD-191 for the first time "flew" not on the "Angara" launch vehicle, but on the KSLV-1
      6. XK2 (eXperimental K2) Black Panther ("Black Panther")
  4. dsi
    dsi 23 November 2015 19: 16
    +1
    Jakarta was very pleased by the Koreans, who said that the new investment "will give the project a new impetus."

    In fact, Jakarta is looking for its own path, independent of the United States.
  5. Alexander 3
    Alexander 3 23 November 2015 19: 21
    +3
    By spelling, I realized this is Kiya plus Phantom plus Hyundai. We have similar people who drive on the roads, sometimes fly.
  6. narval20
    narval20 23 November 2015 19: 32
    +1
    And which design bureau does this? And before that, did they have their own developments in this area? winked
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 23 November 2015 23: 13
      +1
      Quote: narval20
      And which design bureau does this? And before that, did they have their own developments in this area?

      In fact, they are one of the main competitors of the Yak-130 in the international market - with the KAI T-50 aircraft. F-16 released their version
  7. AdekvatNICK
    AdekvatNICK 23 November 2015 19: 35
    -5
    the same as letting the company assemble the planes that before this doshirak was preparing.
  8. Voha_krim
    Voha_krim 23 November 2015 19: 38
    +6
    And in the 60s, my Dad defended these islands from the mattress on the Tu-16, on the sea missile carriers of those times !!!!!!
    I am proud of my FATHER !!!
  9. dsi
    dsi 23 November 2015 19: 41
    +2
    Although Indonesia from the very beginning showed interest in the development, many experts expressed the view that it could refuse to participate in the project against the background of serious difficulties that had arisen. But, apparently, the Indonesians raised the hype about the technology did not bother. Such a move by Jakarta very much pleased the Koreans, who said that the new investments "would give the project a new impetus."

    It all ends with the purchase of used US aircraft. Are you in doubt Justify ...
  10. mvg
    mvg 23 November 2015 19: 48
    +8
    Quote: Alexander 3
    By spelling, I realized this is Kiya plus Phantom plus Hyundai. We have similar people who drive on the roads, sometimes fly.

    And also "Samsung" (gnusmus) builds good ships, not like the Misrals. Some even believe that the South Korean destroyers are of the "King Sejong" type, the strongest surface non-aircraft carriers. The largest supertankers in the APR are also made there. And also modern tanks, self-propelled guns, missiles, airplanes and other equipment .. And in terms of quality - you will be pumped ..
    Indonesia is not risking anything by investing money in the development of the KF-X, they do not set themselves the goal of surpassing the F-35 and F-22, simply surpassing the KF-16 (modification of the F-16, which they make themselves), i.e. more than 30 years of US development. And they have much more chances than Turkey, which is also "on its own" ..
    1. Darkoff
      Darkoff 23 November 2015 19: 59
      +1
      More would be just such comments on the VO! hi
  11. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 23 November 2015 19: 54
    +3
    I do not believe. Something very opaque is in this whole story. To create such an aircraft, you need a big design bureau, with experience, a test unit, and access to many secrets from avionics of modern aircraft, otherwise a modern fighter will not work. Plus engines that are likely to be aliens. No I do not believe.
    1. Dr. Bormental
      Dr. Bormental 23 November 2015 20: 12
      +2
      They removed it from the tongue ... I also don’t believe it, with all due respect to the Koreans - as long as their gut is thin. Till...
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  12. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 23 November 2015 20: 11
    0
    If they had developed with Japan, then maybe they would have done.
  13. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 23 November 2015 20: 13
    0
    The size is promising, slightly larger than the F-16, if it is made the 5th generation, then sales will be good.
  14. Diviz
    Diviz 23 November 2015 20: 15
    -1
    flight simulator with 4g and 3d monitor. and what about military technology. besides kia and hyundai and tera i don't know anything else.
    1. opus
      opus 24 November 2015 02: 53
      +2
      Quote: DiViZ
      and what about military technology. besides kia and hyundai and tera i don't know anything else.


      war drones (envy)




      K9 Thunder

      Sun in general





      stones break well in particular:



      IRP without dog again belay
  15. Rigla
    Rigla 23 November 2015 20: 20
    0
    China, Japan, and others have HUGE problems with a 5th generation aircraft. In the next 20-30 years, no one will have such a car. Americans fought a quarter century until the F22 became operational. We are also a quarter century (excluding the 90s) in the PAK FA system will rise in a year or two. The United States and the Russian Federation have 20-30 years ahead of those of China and others. And about the UK and nothing to say. By 2050 maybe only ...
  16. afrikanez
    afrikanez 23 November 2015 21: 27
    +1
    Seoul hopes for help Lockheed Martin
    The Americans still have not yet learned how to make a 5th generation plane themselves, but they are already climbing on to teach others. repeat
  17. mvg
    mvg 23 November 2015 21: 31
    +4
    Quote: Dr. Bormental
    They removed it from the tongue ... I also don’t believe it, with all due respect to the Koreans - as long as their gut is thin. Till...

    What do you know about Korea? What technologies are missing there? What is the "gut"? They have avionics, they have a glider, and they have engines.
    There is General Electric F-404-402, a very successful engine. There is a radar APG-67 (USA) and IAI Elta EL / M-2032, as I understand it is Jewish. They know how to make gliders (not so long ago they themselves made the combat training T-50, the best in its class, and there is no need to compare it with the Yak-130 ..., it's just better. There is a radar, more load and it is supersonic). There are weapons (licensed AIM-9, AGM-65 and JDAM). Themselves make analogs of "axes" - Hyunmoo III.
    So the narrow-eyed are not such suckers .. Something they can. And they don’t know what they don’t know how to do, with sanctions everything is fine with them.
    1. adept666
      adept666 24 November 2015 06: 40
      -1
      not so long ago they themselves did a combat training T-50,

      Well, are they really right without help? wink
      best in class, and no need to compare with the Yak-130 .., just better.

      Seriously? Indeed, it is not correct to compare with the Yak-130 in the training version. Only from this, the KAI T-50, which was originally sharpened for combat missions, will not be better in combat performance in the performance characteristics of the Yak-130, do not believe it? Compare its LTX with at least Hongdu L-15 (the Chinese version of the Yak-130 with the same engines only equipped with an afterburner smile ) For the Russian Air Force there is no need for a light attack aircraft, therefore, put forced engines on the Yak-130, equip it with radar, etc. systems and complexes, this is a flying school desk with a simulator of various boards and there is no need to complicate (and therefore make it more expensive), but it is quite easy to do (as the Chinese experience has shown smile )
  18. Patriot C
    Patriot C 23 November 2015 21: 32
    -7
    Quote: Kil 31
    Kill me, but I do not understand the southerners. They openly begin to bend you over on promises, and they continue to cooperate. There will be more, and there is nothing not to blame, they are being drawn into this scam. Guys, you have the experience of working with us. NASA refused to help you, and our Roscosmos helped you make a rocket. Well, please contact us and bring your friends.


    The Americans saved the Koreans from complete extermination by the Communists in 1950-53, when the Communists treacherously invaded their country. therefore, Koreans for many generations ahead will be sincerely grateful to the Americans and, in general, to all the peoples who were in the UN forces and saved their country. soldier
    and it is precisely here that Koreans' loyalty to allied relations is perfectly understandable, reinforced by ordinary human gratitude.
  19. viktor561
    viktor561 23 November 2015 21: 58
    +1
    Quote: PatriotC
    Americans saved the Koreans

    Yes, approximately, and as the Japanese - two US bases - the United States would not fit in - there would be no two Koreas and Japan would not be flawed and dependent on the United States
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  20. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 23 November 2015 22: 19
    0
    Korea has technology, but not all. They can create for themselves the likeness of Gripen, but with a bias in the 5th generation. They won’t manage without Amer’s technologies, which means there will be no free export.
  21. Patriot C
    Patriot C 23 November 2015 22: 42
    -2
    Quote: viktor561
    Quote: PatriotC
    Americans saved the Koreans

    Yes, approximately, and as the Japanese - two US bases - the United States would not fit in - there would not be two Koreas

    that is, there would not be 2 Koreas, but there would be one Juche, communist hell. many half-starved Communists from the DPRK made their own ships, computers, airplanes?

    besides, the Americans didn’t get anywhere. after the treacherous attack of the Communists, the occupation of Seoul and the deaths of tens of thousands of people, the Koreans asked for UN help, the UN troops responded and helped the Koreans defend their freedom and right to life.
  22. Patriot C
    Patriot C 23 November 2015 23: 42
    +2
    Quote: afrikanez
    Seoul hopes for help Lockheed Martin
    The Americans still have not yet learned how to make a 5th generation plane themselves, but they are already climbing on to teach others. repeat


    Wake up, the Raptor has been flying since 1997, and its prototype has been flying since 1990.
    there are more than 180 raptors in service. how many 5th generation aircraft are in service in other countries?
    1. opus
      opus 24 November 2015 00: 57
      +5
      Quote: PatriotC
      Wake up, the Raptor has been flying since 1997, and its prototype has been flying since 1990.

      like yes
      1. Experienced Northrop - McDonell-Douglas YF-23 with YF119 engines, took off on August 27, 1990
      2. The experienced Lockheed YF-22, equipped with YF120 engines, took off on September 29, 1990.



      but to say "flies" since 1990 is silly:
      - YF-22 made 74 flights and flew as much as 91 hours (YF-6 flew 23 hours) ..
      -In 1996 yearshortly before first flight of the first prototype, Intel announced the discontinuation of the i486 processor (There are 80 of them in each F-22). Lockheed Martin could not convince intel to produce small batches ....
      lost 2 years.
      De facto first flights of the first prototypes in 1997
    2. deduly1957
      deduly1957 24 November 2015 05: 13
      0
      "Raptor" flies? for 20 years to shoot along the lane in the zat in front of XNUMX years, they have not been taught recently a couple of times fired in the air, so they barely put the car all the electronics hung
  23. 33 Watcher
    33 Watcher 24 November 2015 06: 14
    +2
    I personally have no doubts that Yu. Korea will develop and build. And the fact is that technologically they will surpass many, if not all modern production aircraft, too. But how much will it cost them? Traditionally, the developments of the Yu.Koreysky military-industrial complex are very expensive. But one way or another, I wonder what will come of them in the end. And they will cooperate with us, they will not, as suggested in the comments, they simply will not be given. After all, they themselves are the owners of many interesting technologies, even civil ones, and some people will not like their leak "no where". So, no cooperation.
    PS By the way, they could also build helicopter carriers for us, and I think much faster and no more expensive than the French, but this is not even discussed.