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Ukraine still forced to talk about yourself

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It is unpleasant to feel like a prophet when your worst predictions come true. Unfortunately, that's how it turned out. More recently, in the material "The world wants to forget Ukraine. But Ukraine will soon remind of itself“from 18 November, we wrote that the Ukrainian authorities have no other means of obtaining funds for survival, except for heightening tensions in the region. And now we have received confirmation.




Terrorist attack against the population of Crimea. There is no other wording and cannot be. And all those involved in this outrage deeply do not care that, along with Crimeans, residents of the Kherson and Mykolaiv regions were left without electricity. We beat, as they say, our own, so that others would be afraid or suffer.

About the residents of Kherson and Nikolaevsk I, to be honest, do not hurt like that. Let them have a headache for newly elected heads and deputies. So it will be fairest of all.

But about Crimeans hurts. Crimea, unfortunately, is still hostage to the power system of Ukraine. And the Ukrainian authorities used, and will continue to use it to put pressure on Russia.

The principle of “I’m gonna get my eye out for Russia to have a neighbor of the curve was” is being implemented in a purely Ukrainian way - with jumps and a little light. But we all already know that there are not power curves, but defective ones. But, unfortunately, it is still not possible to do anything

Crimeans will have to endure. To tolerate rolling blackouts, to tolerate the absence of trolleybuses, to tolerate the absence of light in homes and institutions. And hope that the builders of the energy bridge, which should start working in December of this year, knowing what is happening in the Crimea, will remember how to work in Stakhanov style. Although so only a month before the start of the first stage remained.

It is a pity that this can not be avoided - our ordinary "will live, we will reach the teeth". Yes, we will live. As always, gritting his teeth, but reach it. Neurop, we can.

And what about Ukraine? Ukraine, which is "tse Europe". Integrating there with all the silenok. Needless to say, a great acquisition for Europe. We have already discussed this a hundred times, but it makes sense to recall a couple of points. It is such the most democratic.

Disconnection of the Crimea from the water supply by closing the channel. Very European. And very democratic. But Crimea survived it.

Food blockade. This is generally a masterpiece. All European countries do this with their neighbors. Crimea survived it. Today we can say with confidence.

Now we have reached energy terrorism. All is natural.

But in the light of some statements from the territory of Ukraine, an original picture appears. Some leaders openly call to deal with the same LIH in a very peculiar way. Namely, providing them with shelter in the country. It is as if in the appendage to the fact that Ukraine is not hiding, supplies terrorists weapons.

His little, or what?

As practice has shown - enough. And it would be fine if we were talking about so-called "refugees". They could at least cut down the money from the European Union. On the placement and device. And then ask for more. To the fight against terrorism is already inside Ukraine itself. Although they are already fighting, tirelessly. Whose question is with whom? The answer to it has long been known.

It turns out that the integration of Ukraine into Europe takes place against the background of such events that Europe can only sympathize slightly. Slightly because they themselves perfectly understand who they take to themselves. The enlightened and democratic European face is becoming more and more like the familiar mug. With a penny and horns.

And Russia (that is, the Crimea) and not experienced this. Historically proven.
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  1. izya top
    izya top 23 November 2015 06: 35 New
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    I was killed most of all, that skakely, when it dawned on them that Europe would consider this a terrorist attack, at first they said it was all shit, and later they put forward a version of the Crimean drg wassat
    py.sy.a what about the woodpecker who built a nest in its support? Could not lie in the field?
    1. 79807420129
      79807420129 23 November 2015 07: 46 New
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      I will add for the thousandth time to declare the territory 404 accomplices of terrorism with all the ensuing consequences for them, otherwise it will continue constantly.
      1. Yuriy3005
        Yuriy3005 23 November 2015 08: 04 New
        +8
        it would be nice for the next departure of our strategists to Syria, they would make a “small” detour and fly near the 404 border ...
        1. dr. sem
          dr. sem 23 November 2015 08: 52 New
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          No need to fly near. Fly over territory 404. Observing precautions, of course. In ukrov Soviet missiles full.
          It would be nice to scatter leaflets over 404.
          1. Baikonur
            Baikonur 23 November 2015 11: 04 New
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            Quote: dr. sem
            It would be nice to scatter leaflets over 404.

            With an inscription in three languages:
            Russian - Fascists! Give up! otherwise you - .op!
            ykr. - Fascists! Hello! I wish you - .opa!
            German - Die Faschisten! Aufgeben !!! sonst werden Sie - Arsch!
            1. mihasik
              mihasik 23 November 2015 11: 34 New
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              Quote: Baikonur
              Quote: dr. sem
              It would be nice to scatter leaflets over 404.

              With an inscription in three languages:
              Russian - Fascists! Give up! otherwise you - .op!
              ykr. - Fascists! Hello! I wish you - .opa!
              German - Die Faschisten! Aufgeben !!! sonst werden Sie - Arsch!

              I forgot the most important thing!) And in English? And then the CIA in Kiev, only in English understand.
              1. Canep
                Canep 23 November 2015 18: 42 New
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                I rarely began to come here, but now it occurred to me that I want to share. Recently, the Ukrainian government has been doing everything to:
                1. Crimea was recognized as Russian; it is an economic and energy blockade. The West already by default considers Crimea Russian, but so far it has not openly recognized it.
                2. In order for Ukraine to cease to exist as a state, this is achieved by the fact that Ukraine, namely Yatsenyuk, refused to pay the debt of Russia, which would inevitably lead to sovereign default of Ukraine, and not the fact that it would be possible to smuggle bankruptcy through the IMF, BRICS countries lack about 1 -2% of the IMF votes to block this decision, but not only the BRICS countries and the USA with the six will vote, third countries will vote, and how they will vote is still unclear. But the Ukrainian "authorities" were assured that there would be money, and they were happy to try. Without IMF tranches, Ukraine will not be able to pay those debts for which it was possible to agree.
                3. Collapse the country's economy. This is achieved by idiotic and masochistic sanctions against Russia, which harm only Ukraine.
                4. In the light of the foregoing, provoke a large popular protest in Ukraine, which will demolish the current government.
                5. In order for Kiev not to be able to fulfill the Minsk agreements, Putin really did a direct job of including impossible conditions for Poroshenko, and he (Poroshenko) in the presence of Merkel and Hollande could not oppose anything.
                6. That Ukraine would really freeze this winter, there is still no solution to the gas shortage, and after the sovereign default it will not be.
                In general, I came to the conclusion that the American advisers to the Kiev authorities give advice that is very convenient for Russia. This means that Putin has an influence on these advisers. This is a true hypothesis. But it follows from it that, in my opinion, the case in Ukraine is headed for a new change of government. The old leadership will not be able to sit still after the default and the end of the IMF tranches. Putin’s protege is likely to come to power, I think with a probability of 99% it will be Azarov.
                And what kind of policy will be pursued by Azarov, who will come to power in the wake of a popular uprising, in my opinion it is clear to everyone. I think he can go for the reunification of Ukraine with Russia as an autonomous federal district with special rights (including economic). And Azarov will invite the BSRF to fight the Armed Forces, with an official request for military assistance. Perhaps Bandera will be wet and the police and the militia and the APU.

                Here is my forecast for the next 4-6 years. Do not judge very harshly, but I cannot find another explanation for such a set of idiotic decisions by the Kiev authorities. This is of course if we exclude the version that clinical idiots came to power in Kiev.
                1. Valiich
                  Valiich 23 November 2015 20: 37 New
                  +7
                  Sapper correctly say everything, but there are simple people there who lived in war with Hitler, grandmothers and grandfathers, there are our Veterans, and they are just normal in all respects, understanding what is happening and having the ability to do something. How to be with them? Being a pilot of Russia and not only, will a hand be raised to tear the handle of a bomb bay? Here I am about it. Therefore, keep your emotions and nerves in check i.e. okay, the unequal hour will come in handy to check political training and self-training yourself. So be noble to the sick and wretched and don’t chop off your shoulder and know They, these nonhumans, unchristians will answer for all their deeds both before the people and before God and the Crimea, as he said Sukhorukov, long before all these events, through the mouth of the hero of the movie Brother-2, "You still answer for Sevastopol!", Answered? So do not rush things and remain people in any situations. It is not good for a Russian person to behave even in relation to the enemy, if there is one! And the forecast is simple, days are counted for this power!
                2. Fat
                  Fat 23 November 2015 22: 26 New
                  +2
                  I don’t agree on point 4.-a herd of protoukurs and hatskrayshchiki ass will not be raised. They will sit and wait until someone releases them and take them for maintenance. But it seems to me that their pravoseki will cut out faster than they wait for release
                3. rosstov
                  rosstov 23 November 2015 22: 55 New
                  0
                  A strange pattern: in explaining the reasons, the last version in order is usually the most correct
                4. BARKHAN
                  BARKHAN 24 November 2015 00: 05 New
                  +7
                  That is, if I understand you correctly, the reunion of parasites with a pacifier? And do not you think, dear, that there have been too many expenses lately ... not related to the well-being of Russian citizens themselves. I can imagine how much housing for young families it was possible to build on money from the Eurovision and the Olympics ... Okay, the war on terrorism is right ... but whose ruin will be raised at the expense of? They just got the hell out of it, laid the whole economy under the foundation, got billions of debts ... You also offer their debts hang on us? Debts together with Ukraine by the way come complete. Yes, let them there at least until the last Ukrainian butt.
                  Suppose, nevertheless, that everything will happen exactly as you write ... Are you quite sure that the newfound fellow citizens will be loyal to us? And will they not pull Russia to the bottom with ballast? The only plus seems to me to happen ... the services of prostitutes will become cheaper .
                  All of the above is purely my personal opinion. I am against. Forgiveness should be only after repentance, but it is not foreseen ...
                  1. Canep
                    Canep 24 November 2015 04: 13 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Barkhan
                    That is, if I understand you correctly, the reunion of parasites with a pacifier?

                    I can answer with the words of Nicholas I - "Where once the Russian flag is hoisted, it should not come down already!"
                    Quote: Barkhan
                    Suppose, nevertheless, that everything will happen exactly as you write ... Are you quite sure that the newfound fellow citizens will be loyal to us?

                    Well, firstly, I'm not Wang, and secondly, after a couple of years of poverty, the people of Ukraine will agree to everything, if only there is work and money for food. Remember our 90s.
                    As for loyalty - who in the 98th year could say that the Chechen people are loyal to Russia? There were proposals to destroy Chechnya and fence it.
                    1. BARKHAN
                      BARKHAN 24 November 2015 09: 05 New
                      +3
                      I can answer with the words of Nicholas I - "Where once the Russian flag is hoisted, it should not come down already!"

                      Well then, I’m calm, there’s definitely no Russian flag there smile
                      Well, firstly, I'm not Wang, and secondly, after a couple of years of poverty, the people of Ukraine will agree to everything, if only there is work and money for food. Remember our 90s.
                      As for loyalty - who in the 98th year could say that the Chechen people are loyal to Russia? There were proposals to destroy Chechnya and fence it.

                      Perhaps this is so ... But it is possible that a hungry, embittered and otzombied neighbor will join our enemy and arrange Khatyn nationwide. Which of the options is more likely in your opinion at the moment?
                      1. Paganel
                        Paganel 24 November 2015 12: 43 New
                        -1
                        Let's start with the fact that this people is not hungry and not embittered. I know this firsthand, I have a former from Kazatin, her current one has returned a couple of months from the ATO ... Yes, they don’t love us there, but we don’t need to love them, forget about them and that’s all. Disabled electricity in the Crimea. Where were the authorities "almost two years passed! What, they didn’t think that such provocations were possible? Why didn’t they build an alternative energy supply during this time? Today, the Turks shot down our plane, swallow it ?,
                      2. Shishiga
                        Shishiga 24 November 2015 22: 40 New
                        +1
                        regarding: 2 years, they’ve done, and all the lost lights turned off.
                        Google to help, we collect ENERGY SUPPORT, and immediately 100500 links about Crimea and the light around it, for example
                        "Novak: the first phase of the energy bridge in Crimea will be introduced on December 20" http://tass.ru/ekonomika/2467527 - I suspect it was written for December of this - 2015.

                        And about Turkey - summer is coming and our tourist season is coming - and we will see how many patriots we have among tourists.
                      3. Canep
                        Canep 25 November 2015 03: 44 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Paganel
                        Let's start with the fact that this people is not hungry and not embittered. I know this firsthand, I have a former from Kazatina,

                        So far, after sovereign default, Ukraine will go downhill much faster.
                    2. Canep
                      Canep 25 November 2015 03: 42 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Barkhan
                      Which of the options is currently more likely in your opinion?

                      Having received a job, a person usually forgets all nonsense, several of my friends considered themselves Russian nationalists, and this later did not stop them from moving to permanent residence in Germany and working there for the benefit of the 4th Reich, which is called the EU.
                5. c3r
                  c3r 24 November 2015 04: 44 New
                  0
                  The services of a p.r.o.s.t.t.r.p.t.o.s. will rise in price!
      2. Fat
        Fat 23 November 2015 22: 21 New
        0
        why from Syria. here in the Krasnodar Territory combat aircraft are present and the flyers also want to train on combat targets, or else they only work on the training grounds
    2. Now we are free
      Now we are free 23 November 2015 09: 09 New
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      By the way, one could quite seriously voice in international circles the idea of ​​equating CT Medzhilis with terrorist organizations. As an example, cite the food blockade of the Crimea, which is not even authorized officially (even by the Junta), and as 100% confirmation of the territory. activities of the recent explosions of the power lines, including those that left part of the Kherson and Nikolaev regions of Ukraine itself, without electricity. Not only that, the question is already in earnest about the atomic safety of nuclear power plants operating in Ukraine (which should now, thanks to #MAGILIS TRANSFER go at full capacity. And what does this threaten knowing about:
      1). The state of Ukraine.
      2). The manner of management of the Patriot Managers.
      3). Tensions with the Russian Federation where not only fuel elements come from but also consumables and components for servicing nuclear power plants.
      It’s even scary to assume ... And the European "Probable Partners" should think hard about whether it is time to give a strong slap to the mentally handicapped beloved overgrown child in the person of Ukraine, until he ... ... smashed the whole "European House". Let me remind you that in Chernobyl there was only an outburst on one block, but even the Swedes felt this outburst in their own skin, and if E ...?!? And not one block but several?!? Then, back in 1986, Chernobyl was eliminated by the entire USSR, what can a thief / cowardly Junta take in a dying country to possibly eliminate EXPLOSIONS / EMISSIONS at a nuclear power plant? ..
      It seems to me the Gentlemen we are present when writing the beginning of a new chapter of the book “Death of Ukraine”, namely the Atomic threat can serve as an excuse for the liquidation of the Junta jointly by Russia and the EU because Europe, which adopted it from America, does not need a dumb overgrowth with the Atomic Club ...

      P.S. By the way, in the Crimea, the authorities promise the commissioning of the first stage by December 22, and for now, even the "Last of the Mohicans" - pro-Ukrainian Crimeans, all faith in "Good Nenka" will disappear.
      1. OlegLex
        OlegLex 23 November 2015 18: 26 New
        +1
        A very sensible thought, I’m sure that it is already being circled and drawn in our Foreign Ministry.
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    4. Your friend
      Your friend 23 November 2015 13: 49 New
      +1
      Quote: 79807420129
      I will add for the thousandth time to declare the territory 404 accomplices of terrorism with all the ensuing consequences for them, otherwise it will continue constantly.

      Declare territory 404 as the territory of criticism and declare quarantine on terrorists' accomplices, for all their cruelty, they do not pull.
      1. perm23
        perm23 23 November 2015 17: 19 New
        +6
        I read it now. Piglet ordered the egghead to work out a complete transport blockade of the Crimea. Well cretinism or complete disrespect for Russia. What we all endure. They don’t understand how to beat and beat on a blatant erysipelas. The guy himself didn’t know that the GDP didn’t know that if you give slack to hooligans and start talking to them in a good way, they understand this as your weakness. That the cow is scared and even more pinched. and how do you answer immediately reconcile.
        1. Mike_v
          Mike_v 23 November 2015 22: 23 New
          +7
          I think everything is clear without words.
    5. perm23
      perm23 23 November 2015 15: 17 New
      +2
      Moreover, they themselves announced that they were at war with Russia. Everywhere they say that they are at war with us. Well, give time for brazen hara well.
    6. viktor561
      viktor561 23 November 2015 23: 26 New
      0
      Yes, the United States will not allow it - they sponsor all world terrorism and Dzhemilev is the same
    7. Combitor
      Combitor 24 November 2015 09: 18 New
      +1
      Quote: 79807420129
      declare the territory 404 accomplices of terrorism with all the ensuing consequences
  2. vodolaz
    vodolaz 23 November 2015 07: 54 New
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    What then will they do when we drop our cable in Crimea? Large-scale pressure levers will not remain. And here is winter on the prow and for coal, electricity and gas, something must be paid.
    PS. When I heard about the restructuring of our debt, I was taken aback. Like, did our backslide? But it turned out to be much more fun. And pay either Ukraine or the one who vouch for it)
    1. Bombardier
      Bombardier 23 November 2015 08: 43 New
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      The attack is understandable ...., but it can tear that the whole Europe will not seem enough !:


      "All these events have led to the need for additional emergency shutdown of two units from thermal networks at thermal power plants - Pridneprovskaya and Uglegorsk and emergency unloading of nuclear power plants in Ukraine at 500 MW. These are Zaporizhzhya NPP and Yuzhnoukrainsk. I want to note that such emergency unloading of nuclear power plants is very dangerous"This was stated by the first deputy director of the company" Ukrenergo "Yuri Kasich.
    2. bandabas
      bandabas 23 November 2015 08: 59 New
      +3
      What to do, what to do. I do not know. Wait. After all, the great Ukrainians are the first and most experienced divers in the world. Resume the production of "gulls". It will not work back to the original technology, no question. They will remake under the “seagulls” what is left of the watercraft, for example, “Hetman Sagaidachny”. Turning over with a quiet glanders, they will swim up and cut the cable. That's why they are Heroes.
      1. sssla
        sssla 23 November 2015 09: 09 New
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        They themselves fell)
        1. sssla
          sssla 23 November 2015 09: 11 New
          +9
          Well, who else is to blame if not the north wind))
          1. sssla
            sssla 23 November 2015 09: 12 New
            +5
            And in general, even Europe and so cookie in your pocket))
          2. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA 23 November 2015 12: 19 New
            +4
            Quote: sssla
            Well, who else is to blame if not the north wind))

            What is it that turns out: Dzhemilev and Majlis as a whole - agents of Putin?

            Because the destruction of the supports was filmed by them and laid out on the network. And then they also blocked the access of repair crews ...
          3. perm23
            perm23 23 November 2015 15: 19 New
            +1
            And the most important of them mishandled agent Kremen - Crimean Tatar. And that someone will believe it.
        2. izya top
          izya top 23 November 2015 09: 12 New
          +2
          Quote: sssla
          They themselves fell)

          read, read, spread itself ... we won’t give money for a fine wink
        3. Corsair
          Corsair 23 November 2015 13: 07 New
          +1
          Quote: sssla
          They themselves fell)

          laughing Probably cunning patriots and an alumishka for the color of honey have already passed ... And that 20 bucks is not superfluous
      2. golos-razuma
        golos-razuma 23 November 2015 19: 33 New
        0
        It only makes sense to stand on the POSITION of SCIENCE, and it proposes to agree on a Common Goal, otherwise we will not understand each other!
    3. anip
      anip 23 November 2015 09: 14 New
      +7
      Quote: vodolaz
      And pay either Ukraine or the one who vouch for it)

      Nobody will vouch for Ukraine and Ukraine will not pay.
      1. Tambov Wolf
        Tambov Wolf 23 November 2015 11: 14 New
        +6
        You are right, unfortunately. And he won’t not only pay, but will harm us in every way. Now everything about her death is told that they will freeze, etc. Another desire. Who will allow Hohland to die if she is our enemy? Yes, no one. Constantly, little by little the grandmother will throw up. So this bonfire will smolder. For two years they’ll wait, but she won’t get any worse. In the West, they’re not stupid people who want to rub us. Poros and live in peace, watching him swear at us. And our little aliens are also pumping Transnistria. Googling. The pro-Westerners are coming to power there. You look, they’ll enter Moldova again and jump into Romania. hang up.
    4. cniza
      cniza 23 November 2015 09: 19 New
      +5
      Quote: vodolaz
      What then will they do when we drop our cable in Crimea? Large-scale pressure levers will not remain. And here is winter on the prow and for coal, electricity and gas, something must be paid.
      PS. When I heard about the restructuring of our debt, I was taken aback. Like, did our backslide? But it turned out to be much more fun. And pay either Ukraine or the one who vouch for it)



      It remains only to poop rush in our direction. They will also blame us for the fact that we made a diversion and de-energized two regions in proud and independent Ukraine.
      1. bocsman
        bocsman 23 November 2015 10: 18 New
        +2
        Quote: cniza
        It remains only to poop rush in our direction. They will also blame us for the fact that we made a diversion and de-energized two regions in proud and independent Ukraine.


        Exactly . Dial in the mouth der.ma and spit in the direction of Russia!
    5. scoop
      scoop 23 November 2015 11: 19 New
      -36
      neither ukraine nor guarantor will pay so what? what will rush do? let it erase a new time and all. it has always been so and no new products have been presented.
      1. Douel
        Douel 23 November 2015 12: 10 New
        +6
        1) for "rush" (with a sigh.) 2) those who harness to sign the paper 3) stems from paragraph 2) harnessed in case of refusal are required to pay, otherwise minus ratings and default. 4) there are a lot of all sorts of charming ways according to the laws to make a presumptuous debtor pay, but it is somewhat laborious and very profitable to exhaust.
        PS and who said it would be easy?
    6. mihasik
      mihasik 23 November 2015 11: 42 New
      +2
      Quote: vodolaz
      What will they then do when we drop our cable into Crimea?

      Nuclear power plants will explode. Brains in races all shook out.
      See comment below:
      "All these events led to the need for an additional emergency disconnection from the electric network of two units at thermal power plants - Pridneprovsk and Uglegorsk and emergency unloading of Ukrainian nuclear power plants by 500 MW. These are Zaporizhzhya NPP and Yuzhnoukrainsk. I want to note that such emergency unloading of nuclear power plants is very dangerous "This was stated by the first deputy director of the company" Ukrenergo "Yuri Kasich.
      Shake the earth in leaps to an atomic explosion? Isn’t Ukraine free?)
    7. DEMENTIY
      DEMENTIY 23 November 2015 12: 03 New
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      Quote: vodolaz
      What will they then do when we drop our cable into Crimea?


      I saw an interesting post about "And what will they do ..."

      Quote: Follower But Sergey Aksyonov yesterday said that the disconnection of the Crimea could lead to the fact that "business entities of Ukraine" will "lose forever" the peninsula as a market for electricity.


      They also spoke about the food blockade and the prohibition of working with the Russian military-industrial complex, etc., etc. When will you realize that the war is already going on? War with a crazy, ideological (!) Neighbor. Is it really hard to understand that this is all the exhortations of the pyromaniac - do not set fire to the hut - there will be nowhere to live! Words to the wind - a sick psyche will make you set on fire. Markin smiled yesterday! The energy block will finally force Crimeans to hate Ukraine ... Yes, cheat on them! You bring a criminal case and bring it to the end, and let the Russian people be determined with hatred. Aksyonov ... Instead of someone else's profit and loss, you had to count the line! According to Stakhanovsky (I’m ashamed to look at those photos from the energy bridge on the coast - two tractors and three hard workers - a century old construction site!)! After the water cut off did not understand !? I didn’t understand because the huckster (a speculator in Soviet) is to peck at fingers considering the losses of competitors. So do not win. So they lose.
      1. ism_ek
        ism_ek 23 November 2015 12: 17 New
        +4
        It was hoped that the Ukrainians know how to count money. To supply Crimea with energy, Russia sells electricity to Ukraine at 2,4 p. per kWh. And buys on the Crimean border at 2,99 p. per kWh. In 2015, Ukraine’s earnings on the resale of electricity in Crimea exceeded 12 billion rubles ($ 200 million)
        1. DEMENTIY
          DEMENTIY 23 November 2015 12: 26 New
          0
          Quote: ism_ek
          It was hoped that the Ukrainians know how to count money.


          Exactly! About this post and was written ... About the hopes are empty.
        2. perm23
          perm23 23 November 2015 15: 22 New
          +1
          The pancake for our taxes is increased for us, and we are the neighbor - we feed the sick man.
      2. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 23 November 2015 12: 36 New
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        Quote: DEMENTIY
        Instead of someone else's profit and loss it was necessary to count the line! According to Stakhanovsky (I’m ashamed to look at those photos from the energy bridge on the coast - two tractors and three hard workers - a century old construction site!)!

        The line from the mainland was drawn exactly from the moment the status of Crimea was determined. And the pace is just Stakhanov’s - they promised to start up in the first place in December 2015.

        Development and approval of the project, the search for reserve capacities in an amount sufficient to power the Crimea (they wrote that in the Krasnodar Territory there was a shortage of energy before), building from scratch infrastructure to supply electricity to the entire peninsula, including laying the cable through the shipping channel (EMNIP, cable and the cable layer was already found in China) - this is not a quick matter at all. Our houses are being built longer.
      3. perm23
        perm23 23 November 2015 15: 24 New
        +5
        He wrote the same thing - persuading a bandit is more expensive for himself. He understand our persuasion for our weakness. They understand this in their own way, we are afraid, we are scared. The West pinned us.
    8. AdekvatNICK
      AdekvatNICK 23 November 2015 15: 45 New
      +1
      until they launched a new gas pipeline to Europe, technically, they still have one lever. Well and another lever, these are residents with a mark in the passport Russian in their territory, they can begin to perform as the Baltic states.
    9. Andrey NM
      Andrey NM 23 November 2015 17: 30 New
      +4
      Today, on the radio, in the news of the energy industry, they began to whistle that laying a cable is not just like that, you still need to do the infrastructure on both banks, blah blah blah, and all this will not be done soon ... And now I think that , where and how deeply do they need to stick them so that boltology grows into real affairs? It seems that it is time to "revive" again revive, otherwise they do not want and do not know how. Where are the vaunted mini-power plants? A year and a half what did you think? Well, provided the fleet and institutions with light, but the population?
  3. SibSlavRus
    SibSlavRus 23 November 2015 09: 29 New
    +6
    "It’s unpleasant to feel like a prophet when your worst predictions come true" ...

    Well, you, God bless you, Roman! It’s not worth taking the “burden of responsibility for the prophecy” repeat - This is the usual logic of events. There is only one question: why haven’t they done this before?
    Ukropatriots themselves do not invent anything - they take examples from the activities of anti-state elements. Primitivism, however.
    It is not necessary to be a “prophet in one’s Fatherland” - it is enough to have a penchant for analytical thinking, and even futurology methods are not needed.

    More than a year ago, our authorities foreseen such sabotage, therefore, they also provided equipment for the Ministry of Emergencies.
    1. DEMENTIY
      DEMENTIY 23 November 2015 12: 17 New
      +1
      Quote: SibSlavRus
      Well, you, God be with you, Roman! It’s not worth taking the “burden of responsibility for the prophecy” ...


      I agree with you! We will help the author to bear this burden together!
  4. Finches
    Finches 23 November 2015 09: 31 New
    0
    "But Russia (to say, Crimea) was not so worried. Historically proven." - you need to bomb freaks! But do not worry! They are no different from the IS terrorists, but only to guess directly directly to Russia!
    1. a housewife
      a housewife 23 November 2015 13: 44 New
      +6
      How to bomb them, where? ISIS has its own ammunition depots, military equipment, headquarters, and captured areas. These Ukrainian fascists are evenly among the civilian population. Headquarters - in Kiev. Do you offer to bomb Kiev? Or is it generally Ukrainian cities? Keep yourself in control!
      1. perm23
        perm23 23 November 2015 15: 26 New
        0
        Actually, there is an army near ukrov, which stands opposite us on the isthmus. There is an army that shoots people in the Donbass. There is where to shoot
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  5. Vend
    Vend 23 November 2015 09: 40 New
    0
    Quote: iza top
    I was killed most of all, that skakely, when it dawned on them that Europe would consider this a terrorist attack, at first they said it was all shit, and later they put forward a version of the Crimean drg wassat
    py.sy.a what about the woodpecker who built a nest in its support? Could not lie in the field?

    And this despite the fact that Poproshenko in the West declares that Crimea is Ukraine. How can this be a food blockade of one’s own people, terror against one’s own people. The West is already beginning to emerge from the stage of naivety.
    1. Senior manager
      Senior manager 23 November 2015 10: 20 New
      +1
      Wendu. In non-documented relations, a team was received to create a center of crap near the borders of Russia and it is being executed, while the performers of the team (Merkel, etc.) ended in naivety in their youth, and those who believe in the West’s media have the same naivete that under the banners of supposedly democracy.
  6. marlin1203
    marlin1203 23 November 2015 10: 20 New
    +8
    Some stupidity. They can’t even mislead skillfully, so that it is painful and forever. They extracted water and brought food and built an energy bridge in Crimea. In addition to the exasperation of the Crimeans such methods of "return" to Ukraine will not cause anything.
  7. max702
    max702 23 November 2015 11: 09 New
    -4
    And hope that the builders of the energy bridge, which should start working in December this year, knowing what is happening in the Crimea, will remember how to work in a Stakhanovian way. Although only a month remained before the start of the first stage.
    But about this VERY MUCH QUESTIONS! Please tell me, is this really the most difficult technical problem? What did she have to solve a year and a half? There was no cable in the country. or not transformers for substations? or maybe they didn’t know how to pull wires along the bottom? This is hard to believe but possible. since the cable was laid by a Chinese specialized cable-laying vessel JIAN JI 3001 under the flag of the People's Republic of China, MMSI 413375460. In a month, he threw FOUR threads, WHAT HAS IT HAD TO WAIT FOR A FIVE AND A half YEARS? There are two options in my understanding. This will allow the Crimeans to enjoy their sincere care for them in Ukraine (they will be meaner). but the second option seems more real to me .. Namely, these and a half years there was a division of these "tasty" works .. Who and how much will do it. this also applies to the bridge. and many other "problems" of Crimea .. All the same, until the darkest one brings order (at home), all attempts to reach a qualitatively different level of the existence of our country are in vain ..
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 23 November 2015 12: 44 New
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      Quote: max702
      But about this VERY MUCH QUESTIONS! Please tell me, is this really the most difficult technical problem? What did she have to solve a year and a half? There was no cable in the country. or not transformers for substations? or maybe they didn’t know how to pull wires along the bottom? This is hard to believe but possible. since the cable was laid by a Chinese specialized cable-laying vessel JIAN JI 3001 under the flag of the People's Republic of China, MMSI 413375460. In a month, he threw FOUR threads, WHAT HAS IT HAD TO WAIT FOR A FIVE AND A half YEARS?

      Excuse me, do you seriously think that these 4 threads of the submarine cable are the whole energy bridge? That is, they threw a cable through the strait - and then light appeared in the Crimea?

      And the designers, such fools, several power lines, including the main one from the Rostov NPP, designed some substations, reconstructed the Crimean power grid, found reserve capacities (despite the fact that the Krasnodar Territory was already energy-deficient) ... but all that was needed - throw 4 threads.
      1. scorpiosys
        scorpiosys 23 November 2015 13: 02 New
        +5
        Vo-in ... At least one reasonable voice.
      2. Corsair
        Corsair 23 November 2015 13: 18 New
        +9
        Quote: Alexey RA
        And the designers, such fools, several power lines, including the main one from the Rostov NPP, designed some substations, reconstructed the Crimean power grid, found reserve capacities (despite the fact that the Krasnodar Territory was already energy-deficient) ... but all that was needed - Throw 4 threads.

        laughing You forgot to add about state examination which is 60 days, and before designing a tender that is also not three days, land allocation ... Moreover, all this is under capitalism, where each lesser participant is a “businessman” and an official is trying to squeeze more money
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 23 November 2015 14: 38 New
          +5
          Quote: Corsair
          You forgot to add more about state examination which is 60 days, and before designing a tender which is also not three days, land allocation

          Ecologists, archaeologists and other * -ologists ...
          During the archaeological excavations preceding the construction of an energy bridge in the Crimea, in the Krasnodar Territory, an amphora of the XNUMXth century BC filled with oil was discovered. The vessel dates back to the V century. BC.

          And with all this bureaucracy, the tender was already held in the fall of 2014.
      3. max702
        max702 23 November 2015 14: 58 New
        +4
        Quote: Alexey RA
        And the designers, such fools, several power lines, including the main one from the Rostov NPP, designed some substations, reconstructed the Crimean power grid, found reserve capacities (despite the fact that the Krasnodar Territory was already energy-deficient) ... but all that was needed - Throw 4 threads.

        Come on! Directly such UNSOLVABLE problems! This question should have been posed as follows after making a decision about Crimea. Work should have been conducted 24 hours a day, seven days a week! And what do you think we won in the war? And you will tell me that the decision to supply energy to someone in the region requires one and a half two years? On the street the twenty-first century! The technical capabilities under the DESIRE for a couple of three months will solve almost any problem (Crimea is located in an area with well-developed infrastructure. This is not Yamal. And not a god-forgotten island in the Arctic), at least in the “temporary” version! The fact that the Ukrainians sooner or later turn off the electricity someone doubted? I somehow do not. as I had no doubt in shutting off water, and supplying all kinds of goods and resources .. and I have no doubt (sadly) that it would still be necessary to use our weapons to set their brains .. The task of energy supply to Crimea is technical and nothing more, but its solution clearly doesn’t show difficulties of a technical nature. and again gesheftnye selfish interests .. it was possible to stretch the energy bridge even a year ago. even if it cost several times more, BUT they couldn’t decide who had this and what they had .. I repeat this BASIC reason and slows down the development of our country!
        1. perm23
          perm23 23 November 2015 15: 29 New
          +5
          Right . in such situations, everything should be simple and clear. They gave the order and everything - to build. And not a tender, etc.
        2. Corsair
          Corsair 23 November 2015 17: 22 New
          +6
          Quote: max702
          okay! Directly such UNSOLVABLE problems! This question should have been posed as follows after making a decision about Crimea. Work should have been conducted 24 hours a day, seven days a week!

          laughing What naive would you be if there was now concrete control over the state order, with the landings and executions (including the leadership) of those who impede one or another stage of design and construction - everything would be like this, we would have built everything in half a year, and it’s been unlikely for three months - volumes plus equipment and cable imported. But we now have capitalism and not after the war, hard workers work for pennies, and "effective managers" and their children ride in Moscow on bentles and ferar
      4. ochakow703
        ochakow703 23 November 2015 21: 51 New
        0
        Yes, few people think so. Here are just a "four string" is not the whole tangle. And if we talk only about the technical solution to this problem, then it does not exist at all, but there are cuts and wringes. And until all these intramural RAO ​​and OAO are saturated, these “four strings” will hang between the sky and the bottom of the Kerch Strait without energy, and the Crimea will sit with candles.
      5. Erg
        Erg 23 November 2015 23: 49 New
        0
        Alexey RA. I'd love to see you when you would like to report to Lavrenty Pavlovich ... The last report would be ... You are talking nonsense, sorry. We must understand that the time is now the most that neither is military. And the enemy does not sleep. And your words, at another time, would be regarded as sabotage.
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 24 November 2015 10: 51 New
          0
          Quote: Erg
          Alexey RA. I'd love to see you when you would like to report to Lavrenty Pavlovich ... The last report would be ... You are talking nonsense, sorry

          “But you are a communist!”
          And he machineed up the machine gun again ...
          (C)

          Lavrenty Pavlovich in the war and not so reported. For example, that both the plant and design bureau he supervised over the work on creating a heavy machine gun, and the results will not be next month, but at best in a year.
          And nothing - worked on.
      6. Lieutenant colonel
        Lieutenant colonel 24 November 2015 06: 03 New
        0
        Of course, max 702 forgot to add about 4 sockets on the beach :)))))))
        For some reason, people believe that stretching water or a cable through the strait is basically a trifling matter - but what’s there, pull yourself and that’s all !!
        As if the majority did not hear about the design, about the fact that from the exit point to the peninsula it is necessary to build a network inland, that at the entry point the voltage must be taken from somewhere.
        This is not a mobile phone to actually connect to charging.
    2. scorpiosys
      scorpiosys 23 November 2015 13: 00 New
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      In the country of the “victorious CAPITALISM of Russia” there are not enough generating capacities. And those who are, hell knows whose. After the 90s, in the country of the "victorious CAPITALISM of Russia", the power supply system was completely changed from ring to beam (private property, you know ... provides for payment not just to the state, but to a personal pocket that supplies electricity ...).
      Of course this was written by me - it’s very simplistic, but in fact everything is so.
      1. Oleko
        Oleko 23 November 2015 17: 53 New
        +2
        Quote: scorpiosys
        (private property, you know ... provides for payment not just to the state, but in the personal pocket of the electricity provider ...).

        In Kaliningrad, the organization that supplies electricity is Yantarenergo. State organization. This is the case everywhere, since we do not have private thermal power plants, private nuclear power plants and private power lines and private transformer substations.
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    3. a housewife
      a housewife 23 November 2015 13: 51 New
      +6
      Where to throw the cable from? Taman - Crimea? Where is the energy from? The Krasnodar Territory has neither a nuclear power plant, nor large hydroelectric power stations; even 13 years ago there were blackouts. We must first think about it! fool
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    5. Your friend
      Your friend 23 November 2015 13: 59 New
      +2
      Quote: max702
      And hope that the builders of the energy bridge, which should start working in December this year, knowing what is happening in the Crimea, will remember how to work in a Stakhanovian way. Although only a month remained before the start of the first stage.
      But about this VERY MUCH QUESTIONS! Please tell me, is this really the most difficult technical problem? What did she have to solve a year and a half? There was no cable in the country. or not transformers for substations? or maybe they didn’t know how to pull wires along the bottom? This is hard to believe but possible. since the cable was laid by a Chinese specialized cable-laying vessel JIAN JI 3001 under the flag of the People's Republic of China, MMSI 413375460. In a month, he threw FOUR threads, WHAT HAS IT HAD TO WAIT FOR A FIVE AND A half YEARS? There are two options in my understanding. This will allow the Crimeans to enjoy their sincere care for them in Ukraine (they will be meaner). but the second option seems more real to me .. Namely, these and a half years there was a division of these "tasty" works .. Who and how much will do it. this also applies to the bridge. and many other "problems" of Crimea .. All the same, until the darkest one brings order (at home), all attempts to reach a qualitatively different level of the existence of our country are in vain ..

      http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/69678/
      People are injecting ...
    6. anfil
      anfil 23 November 2015 14: 44 New
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      At the rates that you propose, you can only hammer and lay the 4 cable in the wall, but in fact:

      Cable management

      It would seem that having such a product that is so powerful in appearance can be loaded onto ships and dumped into the deep sea. The reality is a little different. Routing a cable is a long and laborious process. The route should be, of course, cost-effective and safe, since the use of various methods of cable protection leads to an increase in the cost of the project and increases its payback period. In the case of cable laying between different countries, it is necessary to obtain a permit for the use of coastal waters of a particular country, it is necessary to obtain all the necessary permits and licenses for cable laying. After that, geological exploration, assessment of seismic activity in the region, volcanism, the likelihood of underwater landslides and other natural disasters in the region where the work will be carried out and, subsequently, lay the cable. The forecasts of meteorologists also play an important role, so that the deadlines are not disrupted. During geological exploration of the route, a wide range of parameters is taken into account: depth, bottom topology, soil density, the presence of foreign objects, such as boulders, or wrecks. A possible deviation from the original route, i.e. possible extension of the cable and increase in cost and duration of work. Only after carrying out all the necessary preparatory work can the cable be loaded onto the ships and begin laying.





    7. max702
      max702 24 November 2015 21: 47 New
      0
      And here’s the answer to the minusers the link to how they pulled along the bottom of the lake in besieged Leningrad .. and did it much faster than we do in peacetime .. http://leningradpobeda.ru/vse-dlja-pobedy/energetica/
  8. Denis Obukhov
    Denis Obukhov 23 November 2015 12: 22 New
    +3
    The author of the article does not even know that the center of the Nikolaev region is Nikolaev, and not Nikolaevsk.
  9. Skif83
    Skif83 23 November 2015 14: 09 New
    +3
    Yes, all because our leaders all make a tolerant face and fight with dill and from the "big brothers" (and this is a definite war!) All "according to the rules."
    It must be remembered that Russia always won when it fought on its own, not according to "European" rules.
    So you need to weaken the economic power (rather weakness) of an unfriendly state, you need to "influence" the "technological" disasters and incidents in the outskirts. Let them also sit without light and water, without gas and ... in general, with a bare dupe.
    Maybe it will reach this species of woodpecker faster that Russia is not a tolerant Europe. laughing
    1. Skif83
      Skif83 23 November 2015 16: 02 New
      0
      Undercurrent, justify!
      Or don’t jerk your fingers nervously ...
      It’s been said more than once that you’re negative, explain your disagreement, but no, because I don’t like your face in absentia either.
      1. Sober
        Sober 24 November 2015 03: 33 New
        0
        I did not minus. But I do not agree with you. If we treat them like they do, then how do we differ from them. And the bulk of the people are still not to blame.
    2. ochakow703
      ochakow703 23 November 2015 22: 11 New
      +2
      But I agree with this approach. And our approach to solving this problem from the perspective of “we don’t notice their impudence and arrogance, because they are children, and even brothers ...” cannot lead to anything good. This forgiveness causes self-loathing. We are in the face, but rather the other cheek ...
  10. Yarik
    Yarik 23 November 2015 15: 47 New
    +4
    national clothes PS
  11. Voha_krim
    Voha_krim 23 November 2015 18: 55 New
    +9
    ... endure the absence of trolleybuses, ...
    Guys, all the way! In Simferopol trolleybuses go!
    Fan blackouts are another matter - but we already passed IT in the “dashing” 90s! Do not scare us! Erupting!!! Let them fear the consequences!
    Guys, we are happy that we returned to the NATIVE HARBOR, and I am sure that Mother Russia will not leave us !!!
    1. Combitor
      Combitor 24 November 2015 09: 23 New
      +2
      Quote: Voha_krim
      BREAKTHROUGH !!! Let them fear the consequences!
  12. Bugor
    Bugor 23 November 2015 19: 20 New
    +2
    I report.
    Kerch, rep. Crimea.
    There is gas, there is water both cold and hot. There is NO electricity.
    The store operates one per quarter. Generator. In apartments - candles. The lanterns sat down. It’s the turn for bread, the store is one.
    This continues the second day. Information is not from someone, from his wife ....
    I won’t lie, I’ve been here a long time. The people swear the country 404,
    but actually our Bear-iPhone is to blame
    ..
    1. Alexy
      Alexy 24 November 2015 05: 24 New
      0
      And here is the Premier?
  • Igor39
    Igor39 23 November 2015 06: 36 New
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    Yes, they do it out of hopelessness, they understand perfectly well that Crimea will never be different again, that’s how they can spoil it, as far as “culture” allows.
    1. hydrox
      hydrox 23 November 2015 06: 49 New
      +6
      Quote: Igor39
      as far as "culture" allows.


      A good big culture, European-tolerant and Crimean Tatar, is completely non-aggressive, and for this quality it is especially valued in the EU (but the whole world likes it too) and it's nothing that is at hand (from Russia to Turkey).
    2. Drmadfisher
      Drmadfisher 23 November 2015 06: 52 New
      +8
      cheap PR, from the word cheap. Recognize Crimea as Russian and Novorossia sovereign - and the world will speak about 404 country differently
      1. U-96
        U-96 23 November 2015 08: 28 New
        +7
        Quote: DrMadfisher
        Recognize Crimea as Russian and Novorossia sovereign - and the world will speak about 404 country differently

        yes, drop it))) Now hedexoxles as a victim, they are accompanied by such European titanisches as Lithuania, Estonia, Poland ... And
        Quote: DrMadfisher
        Recognize Crimea as Russian and Novorossia sovereign

        - immediately find yourself in the role of a loser. Baba Grib Lithuanian first will say perplexed: “Well, dear, have you taken your rape claim? It's not far from the wedding.”
        laughing
        1. BARKHAN
          BARKHAN 23 November 2015 13: 18 New
          +6
          European Titans !!! laughing He laughed a lot, thanks. Naive, naive and very gullible fools ... But ambition and puffiness, like a superpower ... I hope that in the case of World War II these henchmen should simply be erased from the political map ... And is it worth it we remember the purchase of these lands by Peter?
    3. spech
      spech 23 November 2015 08: 06 New
      +2
      Yes, they do it out of hopelessness, they understand perfectly well that Crimea will never be different again, that’s how they can spoil it, as far as “culture” allows.

      and in zeurope they don’t need anyone.
      1. Combitor
        Combitor 24 November 2015 09: 24 New
        +2
        Quote: spech
        and in zeurope they don’t need anyone.
  • Glot
    Glot 23 November 2015 06: 38 New
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    And Russia (that is, the Crimea) and not experienced this. Historically proven.


    It's right. Survive!
    And Russia should, without any regret, begin to crush Ukraine to its full height, without discounts on pity for the "fraternal people" and so on. They already showed how they could that no brothers.
    1. Starover_Z
      Starover_Z 23 November 2015 07: 42 New
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      Quote: Glot
      And Russia should, without any regret, begin to crush Ukraine to its full height, without discounts on pity for the "fraternal people" and so on. They already showed how they could that no brothers.

      ... And on New Year's Eve, turn off the supply of Russian high-voltage lines supplying KIEV for prevention for 15 days!
      1. Victor Demchenko
        Victor Demchenko 23 November 2015 08: 14 New
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        dreams, dreams ... may not our people be turned off, because the "brotherly" (fucking) people will suffer! am
        1. a housewife
          a housewife 23 November 2015 13: 55 New
          +2
          Yes, that’s not the point; it’s what income to lose!
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        3. ochakow703
          ochakow703 23 November 2015 22: 20 New
          0
          Never! Even in the event of a direct attack on us. This is "damn business." And only our partisans can turn it off.
    2. asar
      asar 23 November 2015 08: 52 New
      23
      Glot! Good all!
      You are right, we will survive!
      And Russia should, without any regret, start pushing Ukraine to its full height,

      At first I wanted to say - it's high time!
      But here, by chance, I remembered the mess of the 90s in Russia - the government in itself is enriching itself! People, well, people ?! Surviving as it can!
      The army is on the verge of collapse, the Ministry of Internal Affairs does not know: who can be "touched", and who .... is more expensive!
      How many mocked the KGB, how many Upscale Specialists lost ????!
      How to break and bend SPN! Without quotes and do not minus!
      “How many times” did the pilots of our Su and MiG rise “into the sky” ?!
      dill is now experiencing the same "mess" that we went through in the 90s!
      Moreover, multiplied by the "external impact"!
      The people of dill also survive - do not, I think, blame everyone!
      And the question for Roman is the simple people of dill, concerned: how to feed the family, where to buy what ?! Children grow up, clothes are already small, and everything new is expensive, and even to her husband and herself! Yes, and I want to eat!
      I foresee the question - Yes, damn it, they could all sweep, demolish, bury and roll up ...!
      Could, of course they could, even very COUGH!
      Well ... back, Russians, in the 90s ?!
      We, too, “could”!
      Where were you all, your mother, when such a mess in the country was going on ?!
      Why didn’t they go out, scream? Where were you all ?! Why are you allowed to do this over yourself ?!
      I foresee a question - but where was Asar himself, why didn’t he "Speak"?
      I will answer - there was no time for "OR", "extinguished fires" on the outskirts of the Great Country!
      There were houses in those years - a day or two!
      If only on the "outskirts" ...
      I had to sleep "until the howler" wakes up "!
      Already not so much to Glot as to Roman:
      -Novel! I will ask you a simple question -

      How responsible is the government to society?
      And how much is society responsible to the authorities?
      And where is the line - society and power, are we doing one thing, or does everyone have their own goal?

      Novel and Glot! Coming Soon
      "Reptile" is waiting!
      1. anip
        anip 23 November 2015 09: 21 New
        +9
        Quote: asar
        The people of dill also survive - do not, I think, blame everyone!
        And the question for Roman is the simple people of dill, concerned: how to feed the family, where to buy what ?! Children grow up, clothes are already small, and everything new is expensive, and even to her husband and herself! Yes, and I want to eat!

        It is high time for us to understand that all the countries on the people in other countries are on the drum (spit, spit, put). Now, when in Russia it finally “reaches” everyone without exception (including the authorities), maybe something in Russia will change for the better.
        I don’t care personally .... how do ordinary people live in Ukraine, as well as Ukrainians on the people of Russia.
      2. Glot
        Glot 23 November 2015 10: 10 New
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        Glot! Good all!
        You are right, we will survive!


        Good and to you asar.
        A lot of true in your words, a lot.
        I will not speak for everyone, I will speak for myself.
        Unlike today's Ukrainians and myself in the 90s, I see the differences are:
        - I scrambled out in the 90s myself, in my own Country. I did not go to them, or to anyone else, to take away THEIR jobs from them while spitting them in the back.
        They were engaged in these. I can cite more than one example from personal practice.
        - I didn’t shout in the 90s on the streets “We will not eat, we will not drink until we live freely” and “Stop feeding the lazy“ big brother ”(that is, me) and for separating from the Russians. And they ?
        - I did not blame that everything is bad with someone from the outside. He looked at himself and at his government. And they ? Who is to blame? I am Russian !
        I’m here, in my home in Russia, NEVER ONE Heard from them now, those who came to me to earn money saying that they need to level this whole rash with tanks. I’m not lying, honestly, I’ve heard this from them more than once. What to do with them?
        I have neither love nor hatred for them, nothing. They are indifferent to me, but, I believe that it is necessary to recover from them for everything FULL. Since I’m "reptile" and I need to "crush tanks" then ... FOR THE FULL PROGRAM, we need to show them what we are "reptiles".
        Here is my personal opinion and vision. Maybe wrong, maybe too hot but mine.
        1. BARKHAN
          BARKHAN 23 November 2015 13: 31 New
          +8
          And what other options are left? We are not just hostile to governments ... Enmity has fallen and penetrated the population itself on both sides, and the process continues and grows ... But this, just for a long time.
          Sadly, but we are definitely no longer brothers ... We are now, like two Koreas, close in blood and enemies in ideology.
          And they are at war with us !!! We want to admit it or do not want to. And if they had the opportunity, they have long stood near Moscow ... Well, for now they are at war, as they can.
          Most importantly, it is not clear what our government and the GDP personally want. The plans are not clear, we need a territory, we need a people, or is this a sovereign state? After all, different plans and decisions are different.
        2. Travian
          Travian 24 November 2015 12: 57 New
          0
          support you gulp. We climbed out of our shit ourselves, and if we blamed anyone, we blamed our freaks. And these brothers, so to speak (Unan UNSO UAP and other nationalists) came to us in the Caucasus and fought against us, so that we could plunge us even deeper into it. in 95, for me personally, the ba (e) Nderovtsy became enemies. and for me there was no question then - to shoot at them or not ... and now nothing has changed for me. I am glad that now many people in my homeland are evaluating the enemy correctly. and what a people. Each Natsik has a mother, father, sister, brother, friend who should have kept their relative from the ideas of superiority, exclusiveness of the "Ukrainian" nation - but could not or did not want, because they themselves are the bearers of these ideas. Such people have to pay on bills for gas, electricity, be responsible for your Natsik if you have to, then health and life .... sad, but there is an understanding that you still have to cleanse yourself with blood ....
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      4. dauria
        dauria 23 November 2015 11: 20 New
        +4
        Everything is very precisely with you ... Indeed, was there a delight in the courage of Yeltsin? It was the majority (with rare exceptions). What did the shooting of the White House tanks look like from the province? Yes, like an incomprehensible Moscow show. When did you begin to understand something? Yes, by the year 94-95, when the inertia of production was over, and it began to fall apart.
        And then they remained fragmented, immediately torn by nationality (to the delight of local kings).
        And where is the line - society and power, are we doing one thing, or does everyone have their own goal?

        Funny, but the answer was given by the Bolsheviks until 1917. Bourgeois always declare their interests nationwide.
        (How does the national democracy understand social democracy? IV Stalin, 1904)
        1. ANTI.KORR.
          ANTI.KORR. 23 November 2015 11: 56 New
          +3
          Quote: dauria
          And then they remained fragmented, immediately torn by nationality (to the delight of local kings).

          "Of all the forms of oppression that currently exist, the most subtle and dangerous form -
          this is national oppression. She is thin, she covers her predatory face so comfortably
          the bourgeoisie. It is dangerous, it deftly removes thunder from the bourgeoisie, causing
          national clashes. "
          I.V. Stalin. ("Speech at the meeting, May 10-16, 1918, Vol. 4, p. 91.)
          "The national bourgeoisie of the oppressed nation, constrained on all sides, naturally
          comes in motion. She appeals to the "native bottoms" and begins to scream about
          "homeland", giving out its own business for the cause of the whole people. She is recruiting
          an army of "compatriots" in the interests of ... "homeland." And "bottoms are not always
          remain indifferent to calls, gathering around her banner: repression
          they are also hurt from above, causing them discontent.
          IN AND. Stalin. ("Marxism and the National Question, Vol. 2, p. 306.)
        2. Stanislas
          Stanislas 23 November 2015 14: 45 New
          +1
          Quote: dauria
          What did the shooting of the White House tanks look like from the province? Yes, like an incomprehensible Moscow show.
          This, you know, for someone like. And it depends on age, and on attention, interest in politics. I saw it on TV, got on a train and pulled to Moscow. And since then, the assessment of this event has not changed.
      5. Lelek
        Lelek 23 November 2015 12: 02 New
        +3
        Quote: asar
        The people of dill also survive - do not, I think, blame everyone!


        Of course, it will survive, and the former Ukraine will remain in its place (well, maybe not in the same geography as it is now), only it will not be Ukrainians who decide its fate. yes
      6. perm23
        perm23 23 November 2015 15: 36 New
        0
        And right and right and ... There were a lot of things. We are all to blame. All . They went out into the street. But the same guys in uniforms and without them drove us there, The same KGB went to serve as new masters and serve faithfully. And the same specialists were there too.
      7. Travian
        Travian 24 November 2015 12: 39 New
        0
        Yes, the 90s are still time. I would not want to repeat them. But even then we did not shoot at our own people and, thank God, we escaped a civil war.
    3. Air Force captain
      Air Force captain 23 November 2015 09: 04 New
      0
      "start crushing Ukraine in full growth" .....
      Crush like acne on your ass ... without regret and for sure
      1. izya top
        izya top 23 November 2015 09: 17 New
        +1
        Quote: Captain Air Force
        like acne on the ass.

        I have a disturbed exchange of things-
        I have a million acne on ..0pe ...
        and at least daily I wash with soap-
        anyway acne on ..0pe until ..ya request
        and the feeling that under the song you can put the signature "Russia" ... how many acne sucked-not tear angry
        1. 15ghost10
          15ghost10 23 November 2015 10: 31 New
          +8
          Good day to all. Yesterday, on the ICTV channel, which belongs to Pinchuk (who is Kuchma's son-in-law), in the program "Facts of Life" they showed a story that Russia was the creator and sponsor of ISIS. They also showed an interview with A. Zakayev, who also indicated the facts listed above. The sane person understands that such stuffing is worthless, but still the sediment remains.
          It seems to me so far that the relevant services of Russia will not normally respond to such attacks (unless of course there is a task to solve something with Ukraine), then pumping the population with this kind of information shit ... will continue. A few days ago, I voiced the idea that ukrozhurnashlyuhi kindle a conflict on Ukarin no less than any Powders, Neurasthenia, etc. Why is the UK not initiating a case regarding such magazines as Kiselev, Gavnopolsky, leading tamers? There is a corpus delicti. You will now write that you yourself understand, but this is not the case.
          1. Your friend
            Your friend 23 November 2015 14: 09 New
            +3
            Quote: 15ghost10
            Good day to all. Yesterday, on the ICTV channel, which belongs to Pinchuk (who is Kuchma's son-in-law), in the program "Facts of Life" they showed a story that Russia was the creator and sponsor of ISIS. They also showed an interview with A. Zakayev, who also indicated the facts listed above. The sane person understands that such stuffing is worthless, but still the sediment remains.
            It seems to me so far that the relevant services of Russia will not normally respond to such attacks (unless of course there is a task to solve something with Ukraine), then pumping the population with this kind of information shit ... will continue. A few days ago, I voiced the idea that ukrozhurnashlyuhi kindle a conflict on Ukarin no less than any Powders, Neurasthenia, etc. Why is the UK not initiating a case regarding such magazines as Kiselev, Gavnopolsky, leading tamers? There is a corpus delicti. You will now write that you yourself understand, but this is not the case.

            Tell me, how can the “services of Russia” respond to any kind of muin on Ukrainian TV channels?
            Of course, I understand that not everyone has the opportunity, but if there is even the slightest chance, then we must leave this country, because the Ganapolis, Shusters and Kiselyovs are there for a long time, maybe forever.
            1. perm23
              perm23 23 November 2015 15: 40 New
              +2
              Like Israel and its special services, Like America. Destroy, steal.
              1. Your friend
                Your friend 23 November 2015 16: 26 New
                +3
                Quote: perm23
                Like Israel and its special services, Like America. Destroy, steal.

                Seriously, stealing and destroying Schuster? Well, crap.
            2. 15ghost10
              15ghost10 23 November 2015 15: 49 New
              +6
              I wanted to focus on the fact that at least Russia needs to wage an information war. Because of these miscalculations, Ukraine has become what it is now. This could happen again with Belarus. You can’t imagine how many Natsibelorussians were on the Maidan. And take a look at what is happening in Belarus itself, Lukyan’s flirting with the nationalists, just as Yanuk played with freedom and PS.
              1. Your friend
                Your friend 23 November 2015 16: 25 New
                +2
                Quote: 15ghost10
                I wanted to focus on the fact that at least Russia needs to wage an information war. Because of these miscalculations, Ukraine has become what it is now. This could happen again with Belarus. You can’t imagine how many Natsibelorussians were on the Maidan. And take a look at what is happening in Belarus itself, Lukyan’s flirting with the nationalists, just as Yanuk played with freedom and PS.

                Russia has long lost the information war in Ukraine (when it began to negotiate with the Ukrainian godfathers in power, and did not spend money on NGOs, on pro-Russian parties ...), now that Russia does not make sense will not be too late. And Belarus, you are right, it will be the second Ukraine, I have no doubt.
                1. 15ghost10
                  15ghost10 23 November 2015 16: 59 New
                  +2
                  I think only the battle is lost. As for Ukraine, I believe that it is necessary to promote the topic of support for their ISIS leadership, pumping Igilov oil through Odessa, arms supplies, etc. and consider the leadership of Ukraine accomplices of terrorists. Well, this is my opinion, it is clear that above is visible.
                  1. Your friend
                    Your friend 23 November 2015 17: 21 New
                    +1
                    Quote: 15ghost10
                    I think only the battle is lost. As for Ukraine, I believe that it is necessary to promote the topic of support for their ISIS leadership, pumping Igilov oil through Odessa, arms supplies, etc. and consider the leadership of Ukraine accomplices of terrorists. Well, this is my opinion, it is clear that above is visible.

                    I’m afraid this war is lost, two generations of Svidomo-Siluks have already grown up, who have nothing else in their brains besides embroideries, skipping and cookies.
          2. perm23
            perm23 23 November 2015 15: 39 New
            +1
            You are right here, it’s not for you to understand. and to us. They attack our Motherland, and we are silent.
    4. Erg
      Erg 24 November 2015 00: 15 New
      0
      And Russia should, without any regret, begin to crush Ukraine to its full height, without discounts on pity for the "fraternal people" and so on. They already showed how they could that no brothers.
      Yes, there is already Ukraine (who did not understand) - there is a field of geopolitics. All the more serious. I think we will soon find out some details of this battle.
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 23 November 2015 06: 42 New
    17
    Ukraine made herself talk, but only here. The West doesn't give a damn what this country does. Therefore, if, as they say, it is veiled and in support of Ukraine, although they already perfectly understand who they covered and whom they helped all this time. The sanctions were extended until July 2016, then they will be extended for another six months and so on ad infinitum until they themselves find themselves in an unsightly place.
  • Sasha75
    Sasha75 23 November 2015 06: 44 New
    38
    Everything will be fine.
    1. sannych
      sannych 23 November 2015 08: 58 New
      +4
      It seems that if everything goes fine and according to plan, in a year the Ruin will either purchase electricity through the Crimea, or it will be like this
    2. Bugor
      Bugor 23 November 2015 09: 13 New
      +9
      It remains a little patience. A cable has already been thrown through Azov, and not one. The substation is ready. The army guards her. Power there what the hell. Across the east of Crimea, power transmission towers were laid out.
      It remains a little patience.
    3. Mikhail3
      Mikhail3 23 November 2015 10: 10 New
      -7
      Quote: Sasha75
      Everything will be fine.

      This is especially enraging. When?! When will it be normal, so them and so on ?! It became bad with electricity right away. No relief was foreseen, it was immediately clear that there would be huge problems. Cable layers are. The operation is routine. The manufacture of cable (alas in Russia scored on this technology) is a mere trifle for China. This cable, even for the most beautiful relationships and uninterrupted supply from Ukraine, is still not superfluous for the power system! Contributes to system flexibility and loss reduction.
      Why is it still not laid ?! Yes, there would be losses on overflows, since there is not enough capacity in the Krasnodar Territory. So what? Much more losses now, mobile gas turbines are pretty ruinous thing. Some kind of plague.
      1. sannych
        sannych 23 November 2015 10: 22 New
        +3
        Like in December.
        With the help of Chinese friends (cable-laying vessel JIAN JI 3001 under the flag of China), by the next summer, Crimea intends to finally disconnect from Ukraine. Already in December of this year, after the commissioning of the first stage of the energy bridge, the peninsula will begin to receive 300-400 megawatts of electricity from the Krasnodar Territory.
        In the summer of 2016, we will completely cover all the needs of Crimea, having received about 850 megawatts from the mainland of Russia, says Ruslan Balbek, Deputy Prime Minister of the Republic.
      2. Susul
        Susul 23 November 2015 10: 51 New
        10
        In fact, to establish power supply of the whole region through the sea, this is not a matter of one day.
        Apparently, this attack occurred precisely because of despair, because for another month or two Russia would have disconnected from Ukraine independently. And they probably saw it.
        It just so happened that since the time of the gigantomania of the USSR, our entire power network has been made as a single device and it is possible to drive the capacities of one corner of Russia and the other with practically no loss, if only the cable section is enough.
        1. Stanislas
          Stanislas 23 November 2015 14: 53 New
          0
          Quote: SUSUL
          you can drive the power of one corner of Russia and another almost without loss
          "Almost lossless"? These are some miracles, it does not happen.
      3. yousha1980
        yousha1980 23 November 2015 11: 58 New
        +2
        All life is a struggle for a decent life. It is good that so far we are not talking about the struggle for existence. In this sense, the operation of mobile gas turbines is such a trifle that it’s not worth saying. The main thing is that they provide power to critical facilities. New lines will be built, gas turbines will go to the reserve where they are supposed to be.
      4. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 23 November 2015 12: 48 New
        +4
        Quote: Mikhail3
        This is especially enraging. When?! When will it be normal, so them and so on ?!

        Ahem ... that is, a year and a half to launch the power supply line of the whole peninsula on a completely new route - is it too long? Yes, my house opposite is being built longer! smile
    4. Susul
      Susul 23 November 2015 10: 47 New
      +1
      How much is a meter of such a cable ?!
      1. Manul
        Manul 23 November 2015 11: 49 New
        +3
        Quote: SUSUL
        How much is a meter of such a cable ?!

        Aha. Chubaty are probably now looking at this cable and only one thought beats in my head - “How much copper is there” and “how to clean it”. They do not work in any other way. Surely all the wires in color are already from the blown up supports.
        1. aleks 62 next
          aleks 62 next 23 November 2015 15: 01 New
          +1
          ..... Surely from the blown up supports all the wires are already in color ....

          .... On a power line such steel wires ..... hi
    5. perm23
      perm23 23 November 2015 15: 41 New
      0
      Few of this power. fully closed by the end of 2016 or later.
  • Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 23 November 2015 06: 45 New
    24
    If we move further along the dill logic, the next will be the explosion of Dnerogass and the destruction of the sarcophagus in Chernobyl for a snack fool
    1. izya top
      izya top 23 November 2015 07: 03 New
      +4
      Quote: Ruslan67
      according to dill logic

      belay what
      and nevertheless, what happened to that bummer who climbed into the support, so as not to get a butt from the National Guard?
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 23 November 2015 07: 13 New
        +4
        that became with that iktivist that climbed into a support

        Apparently fell. There is no arguing against gravity.
        1. izya top
          izya top 23 November 2015 07: 30 New
          +1
          Quote: Wedmak
          Apparently fell. There is no arguing against gravity.

          where did you fall? belay it’s not ON a support, but ON a support (metal). maybe. will it be brewed there?
          1. Wedmak
            Wedmak 23 November 2015 07: 43 New
            +2
            it’s not ON a support, but ON a support (metal)

            And, I didn’t understand something, I thought a typo. And then a normal patriot turned out to be. Yes, then let him sit, he wants to eat, he will come out.
          2. Corsair
            Corsair 23 November 2015 13: 36 New
            0
            Quote: iza top
            where did you fall? belay it’s not ON a support, but on a support (metal). maybe. will it be brewed there?

            laughing Yes, lift the support by the crane over the top, if ... with a sledgehammer on it - he himself will fall out from there, he will only have to treat the concussion
      2. bubalik
        bubalik 23 November 2015 07: 42 New
        15
        ,,, yes, he pinned him, there was a clean field all around, there were no bushes, and here at once an activist, an activist ,,, Diogenes of a new format ,,,
        1. izya top
          izya top 23 November 2015 08: 04 New
          +8
          Quote: bubalik
          yes, pinned him, a clean field all around, no bushes,

          Yes. Now I realized that tickets to the circus are really expensive, as long as there is an outskirts
          1. U-96
            U-96 23 November 2015 08: 38 New
            +8
            Quote: iza top
            A retired major demanded to appoint himself head of the National Bank of Ukraine

            getting old ... In my time, retirees claimed for NVP, human resources departments and VOHRu. The Xoxles sharply raised the bar. In the Country of Spite of Frostbite Ears, employees of financial institutions should be able to walk in ranks and dig trenches with office supplies. The world will never be the same ....
            1. Wedmak
              Wedmak 23 November 2015 08: 42 New
              +2
              In The Country Of Spite Of Frostbite Ears

              In, just such a good abbreviation SNOW. It seems that it’s not a curse, but it somehow characterizes it.
              1. U-96
                U-96 23 November 2015 09: 20 New
                +1
                Quote: Wedmak
                It seems that it’s not a curse, but it somehow characterizes it.
        2. dr. sem
          dr. sem 23 November 2015 08: 56 New
          +6
          Che stuck to the victim ...
          1. izya top
            izya top 23 November 2015 09: 02 New
            +2
            Quote: dr. sem
            Che stuck to the victim ...

            so much for the whole world suffers
            Without the “Russian trace” in Ukraine, nowhere is nowhere.
            There is a suspicion that Poroshenko doesn’t drink himself, Putin floods him in the throat. Poroshenko chokes, but drinks.
            Against the "tyrant" no arguing .....
          2. aleks 62 next
            aleks 62 next 23 November 2015 15: 04 New
            +1
            .... Che stuck to the victim ...

            ..... There are a lot of such "victims" in the Crimea .... Hidden only .... They feel the power ... This is not Vurkain .... At which it was possible to mess with impunity ...
        3. Your friend
          Your friend 23 November 2015 14: 11 New
          +1
          Quote: bubalik
          ,,, yes, he pinned him, there was a clean field all around, there were no bushes, and here at once an activist, an activist ,,, Diogenes of a new format ,,,

          God, what deb ... il. (((
        4. Stanislas
          Stanislas 23 November 2015 14: 57 New
          +1
          Quote: bubalik
          Diogenes of a new format
          Without a piece of paper - a cover, and with a piece of paper - Diogenes!
        5. yousha1980
          yousha1980 23 November 2015 17: 05 New
          0
          The hole was round as if it were a shell.
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      4. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 23 November 2015 09: 35 New
        +1
        Quote: iza top
        and nevertheless, what happened to that bummer who climbed into the support, so as not to get a butt from the National Guard?

        Yes, everything is fine with him)))
        Trying on a new balaclava "OBAMKU"))), so that it wouldn’t break the current in MOSH !!!
    2. RBLip
      RBLip 23 November 2015 08: 14 New
      +8
      Quote: Ruslan67
      If we move further along the dill logic

      President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko at a meeting with players of the national football team commented on the beating of dark-skinned fans at a match between Dynamo and Chelsea in Kiev as part of the Champions League.

      Poroshenko noted that according to him, "the roots of these provocations do not come from Ukraine." According to him, there is every reason to say that after the last provocations at the Dynamo - Chelsea match, the path leads to Russia in order to create a situation and accuse Ukraine of racism.

      Poroshenko said that he had instructed the National Police and SBU to thoroughly investigate this incident and expressed hope that UEFA would make an informed decision on this episode.

      “Ukraine cannot suffer, the world of football fans and spectators suffer, the country's reputation suffers,” the Head of Ukrainian State emphasized.

      So here! laughing
      1. Ruslan67
        Ruslan67 23 November 2015 08: 19 New
        +8
        Quote: RBLip
        the path leads to Russia in order to create a situation and accuse Ukraine of racism.

        belay request winked fool
        1. izya top
          izya top 23 November 2015 08: 37 New
          18
          Quote: Ruslan67
          Quote: RBLip
          the path leads to Russia in order to create a situation and accuse Ukraine of racism.

          belay request winked fool

          why are you surprised? the glass creates as many parallel realities as there are faces
          1. Ruslan67
            Ruslan67 23 November 2015 08: 42 New
            +8
            Quote: iza top
            why are you surprised

            Poroshenko equine health I may also want to steer the universe, but I do not drink so much request sad
            1. izya top
              izya top 23 November 2015 08: 44 New
              +2
              Quote: Ruslan67
              I may also want to steer the universe, but I don’t have to drink so much.

              on NG try. wink drinks
            2. a housewife
              a housewife 23 November 2015 14: 13 New
              0
              Alcoholics have spontaneous combustion! Let them drink !!!
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          2. BARKHAN
            BARKHAN 23 November 2015 13: 44 New
            +8
            How long does this story with our neighbors last, one thought does not leave me ... What if they are really irradiated with something, or fed. Maybe even gas, some kind of ... Well, the whole country in its entirety cannot immediately go crazy ... This is such a "wedding in Robin" on the scale of an entire country ... Well, people can’t do it themselves constantly badly, and with such ingenuity ...
  • inkass_98
    inkass_98 23 November 2015 06: 46 New
    +5
    For it is written in the scripture: "One cannot be glorified by good deeds." Ragulje does everything possible so that, God forbid, not be forgotten about them, but at the same time it would be nice to someone to inspire. And the fact that as a result of stupid tricks their own population suffers in the same Kherson region, they do not care about cretins, it is not enough to look beyond one action.
    1. vgorlekost
      vgorlekost 23 November 2015 07: 07 New
      -7
      Quote: inkass_98
      For it is written in the scripture: “One cannot be glorified with good deeds”

      Could you please reference a place in the Scripture where did you see this? That would not be unfounded to you ....
      1. ROMANO
        ROMANO 23 November 2015 07: 39 New
        15
        See "The Gospel" by Edward of the Assumption. Fun reading, however! laughing
        1. vgorlekost
          vgorlekost 23 November 2015 09: 10 New
          -8
          Quote: ROMANO
          See "The Gospel" by Edward of the Assumption. Fun reading, however!

          For you and those who are plus you, it’s noticeable that your level and deity are just the old woman with a hat. So at least hesitate to put on public display.
          Although ......., your brothers in mind have enough of their own element.
          And in the Gospel it is said, in particular, in his own words - "everyone will answer for his bazaar, before God."
          1. Alexander Tot
            Alexander Tot 23 November 2015 10: 09 New
            0
            quote vgorlekost: "the answer for your bazaar." Pleased! You’ll immediately see whose slave you’ll be.
            1. vgorlekost
              vgorlekost 23 November 2015 14: 26 New
              -3
              Quote: Alexander Tot
              quote vgorlekost: "the answer for your bazaar." Pleased! You’ll immediately see whose slave you’ll be.

              And what have I pleased you with? What do you see and what kind of serf? What are you talking about, man? Have you been taught to express thoughts in a connected way, if any?
            2. vgorlekost
              vgorlekost 23 November 2015 15: 26 New
              -4
              Ofiget-climbed onto Wikipedia-so this is the "god" of wisdom and knowledge drew attention to me !!! What an honor! Only instead of the head-head of the "chicken", and sometimes they depicted him in the form of a baboon ..... Now all the brevity and thoughtfulness of the TOTOV commentary is clear. O wisest monkey, they didn’t execute you for calling me a man. Already realized his mistake.
              1. Alexander Tot
                Alexander Tot 24 November 2015 12: 52 New
                +1
                Dear vgorlekost. I agree with those who recommended you return to Uspensky, good old fairy tales for children. Adult books are not readily accessible to all.
                Laws (books) have been written to some, but not read, if read, then not understood, if understood, then not so. Start with something simpler. With Shapoklyak, for example.
                1. vgorlekost
                  vgorlekost 25 November 2015 07: 58 New
                  -2
                  Quote: Alexander Tot
                  Dear vgorlekost. I agree with those who recommended you return to Uspensky, good old fairy tales for children. Not all big books are available to understanding adult books. Laws (books) have been written to some, but not read, if read, then not understood, if understood, then not so. Start with something simpler. With Shapoklyak, for example.

                  Blah blah blah ...., in fact, what can I say? Totovskogo clamped the crumbs of wisdom?
                  Quote: Alexander Tot
                  Dear vgorlekost
                  -when did the serf have become respected? Why are you chatting from one extreme to another, dear "god" of wisdom? Or not only the bird's head, but its contents?
                  1. Alexander Tot
                    Alexander Tot 25 November 2015 09: 42 New
                    0
                    Chinese must be spoken in Chinese. With fools - in a stupid one, which I’m not going to teach. Therefore, further unanswered for vgorlekost.
                    1. vgorlekost
                      vgorlekost 25 November 2015 18: 55 New
                      0
                      Alright, run, sage. ) No offense. For the future, we all need to follow our language and try to answer our words, ok?
                      1. Aleksandr Tot
                        Aleksandr Tot 25 November 2015 20: 39 New
                        0
                        Two Zen monks were fording a stormy river. Not far from them stood a very beautiful young girl who also wanted to cross the river, but was afraid. She asked the monks to help her. One of them silently took her on his shoulders and carried her to the other side. The second monk was furious. He did not say anything, but inside he was seething: “This is forbidden! The scriptures forbid monks to even touch a woman, and this one not only touched, but carried it on his shoulders! ” When they arrived at the monastery, it was already evening in the courtyard. Then the annoyed monk turned to the first and said:
                        - Look, I have to tell the rector about it, I have to inform. It is forbidden! You shouldn't have done that!
                        The first monk asked in surprise:
                        - What are you saying that is forbidden?
                        - You forgot? - said the second. - You carried a beautiful young woman on your shoulders
                        The first monk laughed and answered:
                        “I brought her to the other side in one minute and left her there immediately.” Are you still carrying her?
                        OK, blah blah blah.
                      2. Aleksandr Tot
                        Aleksandr Tot 29 November 2015 00: 16 New
                        0
                        Yes. Satisfied.
                        I understood you.
                        I wanted to leave VO because of the stupidity of many writers.
                        I don’t even ask you not to be offended by my scribbles - you understand me. You won’t bring water to you.
                        The slave in my understanding is not only physical and financial dependence, but also other (lexical). Shevchenko T.G. (slaves) bought out from slaves are not slaves. I come from Hohland (for reference). You use vocabulary from a very specific circle. Why did you wave the wave for review?
                        Take away the vocabulary of those who are not respected - the "electorates" and I will understand you.
                        I will answer about the log and the bitch in the eyes. I also remembered this wisdom even before they reminded me of it.
                        Boorish style - the style is demonstratively disrespectful, I didn’t notice it - the minuses are in the red spectrum of your comments.
                        There is an obvious connection between the demonstration of the meaning of the arrogant bone-in-the-neck and diagnosis.
                        Speaking of Tot, it happened during registration. “Alexander” was not accepted because of the already existing one. The sequential search of letters was adopted as Alexander TOT. I don’t have a dummy of significance.
                        In vain you delve into the meanings of letters. Neurosis is looking for excuses.
                        With respect to many and many. Alexander.
                        Happiness to all. For free. Strugatsky.
      2. Kite
        Kite 23 November 2015 08: 13 New
        0
        It's not the same for everybody! In fairy tales, too, everyday wisdom is written, that is, they are equated with the writing of life and revelations.
        Quote: inkass_98
        nerds do not care, beyond one action to look at the mind is not enough.

        A very old tactical device is a departure for an ambush. And such stubborn ones can be openly warned about an ambush, they themselves will find the worst place on the way to it - a precipice or a swamp will be found and fall off or drown from it.
        1. vgorlekost
          vgorlekost 23 November 2015 09: 15 New
          -4
          Quote: Kite
          It's not the same for everybody! In fairy tales, too, everyday wisdom is written, that is, they are equated with the writing of life and revelations.

          Scripture is the Bible. Without any options and some of your notions!
          And piss and in the doorways, the same scripture for you ???
          1. Kite
            Kite 23 November 2015 12: 49 New
            0
            What do you, sir, father understand so clearly? Sarcasm is not expressed to your opinion. Moreover, scripture and Scripture have a very big difference. wink
      3. Victor Demchenko
        Victor Demchenko 23 November 2015 08: 18 New
        +1
        Quote: vgorlekost
        Could you please reference a place in the Scripture where did you see this? That would not be unfounded to you ....

        for God's sake! open the cartoon "crocodile Gena and Cheburashka" and and listen to the "prayer" Shapoklyak. wassat
        1. vgorlekost
          vgorlekost 23 November 2015 08: 57 New
          -8
          Quote: Victor Demchenko
          for God's sake! open the cartoon "crocodile Gena and Cheburashka" and and listen to the "prayer" Shapoklyak.

          Your god is the hat. When the moment comes in life - to appeal to God - do not forget what you have said now.
          1. Your friend
            Your friend 23 November 2015 14: 18 New
            +1
            Quote: vgorlekost
            Quote: Victor Demchenko
            for God's sake! open the cartoon "crocodile Gena and Cheburashka" and and listen to the "prayer" Shapoklyak.

            Your god is the hat. When the moment comes in life - to appeal to God - do not forget what you have said now.

            Christianity of the brain in the acute stage.
            1. vgorlekost
              vgorlekost 23 November 2015 15: 46 New
              -3
              And your "bunch" to what and what? Is the brain softer?
              1. Your friend
                Your friend 23 November 2015 16: 16 New
                0
                Quote: vgorlekost
                And your "bunch" to what and what? Is the brain softer?

                Caught up on it? Bunch? Hahaha ...
                1. vgorlekost
                  vgorlekost 23 November 2015 16: 41 New
                  -1
                  Quote: Your friend
                  Caught up on it? Bunch? Hahaha ...


                  Are you sitting on spice? Tie it up! Will not bring to good.
                  Or is it so ugly? Then sorry...
                  1. Your friend
                    Your friend 23 November 2015 17: 09 New
                    +1
                    Quote: vgorlekost
                    Quote: Your friend
                    Caught up on it? Bunch? Hahaha ...


                    Are you sitting on spice? Tie it up! Will not bring to good.
                    Or is it so ugly? Then sorry...

                    Ahahaha ... what are you talking about ??? I’m saying you have an aggravation, pray and everything will pass.)
      4. orthodox71
        orthodox71 23 November 2015 14: 39 New
        -1
        The old gospel of the old woman hat, the first verse, line two
        1. vgorlekost
          vgorlekost 23 November 2015 15: 53 New
          0
          So she herself appeared ... So are you against or in doubt?
    2. Starover
      Starover 23 November 2015 08: 30 New
      +4
      Since when did the old woman Shapoklyak become an apostle?
      1. a housewife
        a housewife 23 November 2015 14: 17 New
        +2
        Well, really, people have nothing sacred, why bother! True humor is not based on blasphemy.
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  • Wild_grey_wolf
    Wild_grey_wolf 23 November 2015 06: 49 New
    +3
    An interesting situation and they declare this, we will do so that the Crimeans themselves will be asked to come back, Apparently this is what they insisted on. . . according to their plan, is it so?
    1. Drmadfisher
      Drmadfisher 23 November 2015 06: 54 New
      +4
      Well, here the Stockholm syndrome will not work
    2. U-96
      U-96 23 November 2015 08: 50 New
      +6
      Quote: Wild_Grey_Wolf
      according to their plan, is it so?

      looks like. Pillars of electricity-hungry Crimeans with portraits of PRP and posters with Ohm's law in the Crimean Tatar language take the oath of allegiance to old man Dzhemilev ....
      I read his interview with League.Net .... But the old man is an iDiot, which, however, is not news ...
  • Alexander 3
    Alexander 3 23 November 2015 06: 51 New
    +9
    Crimea has a future and this is understood by all its inhabitants, in contrast to the evil envy of Ukrainians.
  • Nymp
    Nymp 23 November 2015 06: 53 New
    +4
    Well, let’s have a good light in the Crimea, what will block dill further? Can supply their prostitutes?
    1. Your friend
      Your friend 23 November 2015 14: 20 New
      +2
      Quote: Nymp
      Well, let’s have a good light in the Crimea, what will block dill further? Can supply their prostitutes?

      What are you ??? This is sacred, forgive ... ducks are a strategic commodity.
  • Egoza
    Egoza 23 November 2015 06: 54 New
    17
    The trouble is. that it doesn’t even reach the “patriots” that they only dirty themselves.
    “All these events led to the need for emergency unloading of Ukrainian nuclear power plants at 500 MW. These are Zaporizhzhya NPP and South Ukrainian. I want to note that such emergency unloading of nuclear power plants is very dangerous, ”he said, reports RIA Novosti.
    Kasich also said that damage to the power lines that feed the Crimea could lead to new interruptions in power supply to consumers in the Kherson and Nikolaev regions. According to him, the shutdown of another element at the Kakhovskaya substation can lead to a cascading development of the accident.

    But Ukraine has only left to arrange more accidents at once at three nuclear power plants and "everyone will be in chocolate." And here also China China helps to lay a cable about what Lutsenko told indignantly. Well, nothing! Here we will arrange this China!
    “In the near future, the issue of extending the contract for the supply of electricity to the Crimea will be decided. In this contract, Crimea is called the Russian Federal District, the jurisdiction of the Russian court in Crimea is recognized, ”Lutsenko claims.
    The deputy is also outraged that a Chinese cable layer is operating in Crimea.

    “This is a ship that will allow cable to be thrown from mainland Russia. according to my statement, on October 24, the Foreign Ministry began to make efforts to put pressure on China through diplomatic channels and prevent it from helping the Russians, ”Lutsenko said.
    In the comments on this post, Internet experts have already suggested recipes for Ukraine’s victory over China.
    “Do you want to put pressure on China? Only through contact with Taiwan! Taiwan is the “Achilles' heel” of China, and it zealously protects Taiwan from any contacts of Taipei with the outside world! This should be played, ”says Vladimir Pilipchuk.
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 23 November 2015 07: 18 New
      +3
      to put pressure on China through diplomatic channels

      Presser figs. Although .... as if after an unsuccessful attempt to put pressure, we did not see Ukrainian Somalia. And, accordingly, pirates on canoes with RPGs. I don’t see other options. The fleet of Ukraine is unlikely to get into such an adventure.
    2. Corsair
      Corsair 24 November 2015 13: 30 New
      0
      Quote: Egoza
      “Do you want to put pressure on China? Only through contact with Taiwan! Taiwan is the “Achilles' heel” of China, and it zealously protects Taiwan from any contacts of Taipei with the outside world! This should be played "

      belay laughing And then they will then ask someone for money when the EU refuses and Russia supports them?
  • Gray 43
    Gray 43 23 November 2015 06: 59 New
    +3
    Ukraine behaves like a yellow press, no scandal, no PR
  • parusnik
    parusnik 23 November 2015 07: 00 New
    +3
    Europe can only sympathize slightly. There is absolutely no sympathy .. Type take in the EU that Russia would be worse ..
  • Dr. Barmaley
    Dr. Barmaley 23 November 2015 07: 00 New
    12
    Together with Crimeans, the residents of Kherson and Nikolaev Regions were left without electricity
  • Zomanus
    Zomanus 23 November 2015 07: 00 New
    +7
    And all this because Ukraine can do anything.
    And while she holds Europe tightly by the gas pipe,
    she will be able to do anything for a long time.
    In fact, the United States through Ukraine can dictate
    various wishes to Europe, to the detriment of its interests.
    For example, stop the construction of the JV-2.
  • Egoza
    Egoza 23 November 2015 07: 01 New
    15
    And generally speaking! Then Mosiychuk was released and he immediately began to distribute TsU!
    Following the blackout for Crimea, a water and gas blockade should follow, said Verkhovna Rada deputy Igor Mosiychuk.

    “In addition to the food blockade of Crimea, Ukraine and Ukrainians must take three priority steps to speed up the liberation of the peninsula from Moscow invaders:

    1) Continue by all available means the energy blockade of the Crimea;

    2) Stop water supply to the occupied peninsula;

    3) Stop the supply and transit of gas to the territory of the temporarily occupied Crimea.

    If the government does not take these measures to free the occupied by the Moscow invaders peninsula, then the Ukrainians have every right to fight for the liberation of the Crimea without appropriate sanctions from the authorities. And remember that Crimea can be either Ukrainian or deserted!"- said in a statement Mosiychuk ..

    Yeah! here Kiev can remain without water ... at all. Regional organizations Kievvodokanal and Oblenergo did not pay each other, so they won’t give electricians - no water will flow from the faucets. Nude Nude. maybe then in Kiev in their own skin they will feel like shitting neighbors.
  • aszzz888
    aszzz888 23 November 2015 07: 03 New
    +7
    It doesn’t fit into my head how much the Nazis were stupefied and oturopeen in the non-fallow.
    This is just agony. Finish - sorry for the cartridge. Itself will die. Soon. Little to wait.
  • Per se.
    Per se. 23 November 2015 07: 07 New
    13
    Bandera themselves do not decide anything, decide those who pay these clowns from Washington and London. The Anglo-Saxons have already brought so much evil to the world that it cannot but return to them. If Sodom and Gomorrah paid for their internal perversions, then they fade before the crimes of the Anglo-Saxons, "gentlemen" with dirty hands and a cold heart, in their crimes against humanity. Nevertheless, one thing is hoped for by God, but Russia, too, must draw the right conclusions here. The incident is a sabotage against Russia, the perpetrators must be punished.
  • svu93
    svu93 23 November 2015 07: 13 New
    12
    Insanity grows stronger! Yesterday I called my people in the Crimea, they said - it’s normal, in the 90s and early 2000 it was the same, there was light on schedule, we didn’t go in elevators! So they didn’t scare, they just reminded !!!))) Well, once again they showed their attitude not only to Russia, but also to their own people !!!
    1. NeRTT
      NeRTT 23 November 2015 07: 56 New
      +4
      We are positive people !!! God grant that as soon as possible everything will form in them !! drinks
      1. svu93
        svu93 23 November 2015 08: 19 New
        +4
        Formed! I was in Crimea in October, the mood is the same - we are in Russia, everything will be fine !!!)))
    2. Tavrica
      Tavrica 23 November 2015 08: 28 New
      +1
      Maybe your friends were lucky, but I had the light yesterday only 2 hours from 3 to 5 pm (and in the part of the city), these censors can’t even make a normal shutdown schedule, since they didn’t turn off the light at the next entrance, and this is Simferopol . The toad does not strangle, it’s just that the child is small in her arms and I would like more or less equal conditions, but the attitude of the people to the promises of the authorities, mega generators from the Olympics and other nonsense, causes only an ironic smile. Vladimir would be in Crimea, so that he understood on the spot.
  • ovod84
    ovod84 23 November 2015 07: 15 New
    +3
    We should also say that the poles or wires have deteriorated, as well as what happened at the mine where the ukram coal was delivered from
  • Volga Cossack
    Volga Cossack 23 November 2015 07: 16 New
    +6
    we are Sjujim, but onet ........... in general is still a bit and 404 countries will not be so and as they want!
  • petr1965
    petr1965 23 November 2015 07: 17 New
    +5
    Don quixotes are shitty, they fight with poles, their repairmen are shorter than cheap Remember the ingenious phrase from Papanov still need to give a knee, it is necessary
  • 1536
    1536 23 November 2015 07: 18 New
    +4
    All clear. When this "country" integrates into Europe, then they will blow up power lines on the border of Poland or Hungary, and maybe even somewhere else, and perhaps earlier. But they will, for sure. Still, the unenviable fate of Europe.
  • sa-ag
    sa-ag 23 November 2015 07: 20 New
    +3
    The good thing in China is the domestic production of everything, there are problems with quality, but this may be a temporary occurrence if improvement work is ongoing
  • koksalek
    koksalek 23 November 2015 07: 20 New
    +5
    It’s bad that dill becomes a platform for bandits, from there the damned will climb up to us, so that they can rest for one and there
  • SeregaBoss
    SeregaBoss 23 November 2015 07: 26 New
    +5
    Ukraine is leaps and bounds turning into pupupasia! And they are fighting for integration into the house of high culture and life!
  • bmv04636
    bmv04636 23 November 2015 07: 28 New
    +5
    Undermining power transmission towers in the Kherson region, which supply electricity, including to the Crimea, led to an emergency reduction in the capacity of Ukrainian nuclear power plants. This was stated by the first deputy director of the company "Ukrenergo" Yuri Kasich.
    “All these events led to the need for additional emergency disconnection from the electric network of two units at thermal power plants - Pridneprovsk and Uglegorsk - and emergency unloading of Ukrainian nuclear power plants by 500 MW. These are Zaporizhzhya NPP and Yuzhnoukrainskaya. I want to note that such emergency unloading of NPPs is very dangerous ", - quotes his words" 112. Ukraine".
    Earlier Kasich declared that because of the accident there is a threat of de-energization of 50 territories of Kherson and Nikolaev regions. According to him, the repair of destroyed poles of power lines will take three or four days, provided that the repairmen will have access to them.
    Euro collective farm waiting for two Chernobyl?
  • Riv
    Riv 23 November 2015 07: 30 New
    +4
    At the Big Ass contest held in Brazil, the Ukrainian economy unexpectedly won ...
  • izya top
    izya top 23 November 2015 07: 40 New
    20
    Well done Ukrainians. They did everything clearly, went to the Maidan, changed their ass on a gold toilet, filled up hundreds of monuments, called Putin, pumped up Crimea and Donbass, got so many loans that grandchildren could not work out, achieved a tariff increase of six times, repainted all outhouses to yellow-black and ..... happy parted, and who did not understand the essence of the maneuver - that padded jacket.
    1. NeRTT
      NeRTT 23 November 2015 08: 04 New
      +3
      I’ll add (correct): Galloped Crimea and Donbass !! Galloped .. laughing Yes, and the "window" to Europe "does not shine" -the curtains pushed ... They spit all over almost Europe into the soul with their "Natsiks" ... and Europe is not averse to returning some kind of back lands .. hi ..what can I say:
      Repin's painting: "Sailed",
      They rowed all night, but they forgot to untie the boat !! fool
  • s.melioxin
    s.melioxin 23 November 2015 07: 58 New
    +4
    It is unfortunate that this cannot be avoided - our everyday "we will survive, we will survive on our teeth." Yes, we will survive. As always, I grit my teeth, but we will hold out. Non-Europe, we can.
    And we must admit that we can. There were times and worse. We were able to withstand and live better. The road will be overpowered by a walker.
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  • ARES623
    ARES623 23 November 2015 08: 03 New
    +2
    Most likely, Payet could not have done it here. In this case, the United States shows that Poroshenko in Ukraine means less and less, because even the National Guard, the state law enforcement structure, cannot bring any order to the scene. This means that there is no power. Plus, the foreheads clash between Russia and Ukraine, which the United States is constantly striving for. In another case, if this is all a manifestation of the initiative by the right sector, then this is banditry coupled with clinical idiocy. Commenting on such nonsense is impossible. You can only sympathize with the EU, which is taken under the wing of an inadequate neighbor. But this, as they put it, is their own choice. Let them slurp in a full bowl. Looks like the Arabs are not "fun."
  • Shark Lover
    Shark Lover 23 November 2015 08: 06 New
    12
    I’ll bring it a little off topic, but it shocked me. In classmates, Ukrainians were still friends. I don’t know how much they are Ukrainians, but they live there. He was a warrant officer, in one battalion in the DRA were. I put the class under the article on air strikes in Syria, apparently all the "friends" see this)))). In the morning I read a message from him, and his daughter writes from him. I won’t copy, but the following content ........ maybe you can drop a bomb in my house and you’ll come to kill me? Moreover, even the letters were evil. He simply answered if either you personally or someone, God forbid, hurt me, my family or someone close to me, and they will not be able to defend themselves and ask me not only to drop the bomb and come, I’ll also put cancer throughout your quarter so that it’s not disagreeable to others. Apparently the essence did not come to a halt. Along the way, they already believe that you can do any evil, and if you get it for the teeth then they whine and complain. And these are the Slavs !!!!!!
  • Arkan
    Arkan 23 November 2015 08: 13 New
    +2
    Skaklosaurs were noticed from fear and despair, because it would come to the realization that no one needs them and there is a picture of the used product number two in front of my eyes. The final is near.
  • press officer
    press officer 23 November 2015 08: 22 New
    +3
    Do you know what is insulting in all this? that our "Varangian-guber" who in early autumn told the president in front of the whole country that we have such a plant in the region .. which could completely provide Crimea with electricity by the end of 16 years! After this, the President said, running, than I need help. And what do you think? "Our" governor .. fool I don’t know for what reasons, I didn’t do this .. but what for, jobs for the people, earnings, etc. etc.?! Crimea help? What for? We are so good! Now, from a millionth region, they have turned into a millionth decaying village with a wooden stool in the middle of the city, 9 lamas from the former governor! As a result, we didn’t receive the order .. as our magazines scouted, we didn’t even submit documents to the competition .. however, it was also with aircraft engines .. we also got them .. crying It's a shame. And very disgusting. Because it’s just one person who has almost ruined such a huge land as ours. recourse Such feelings of ruin were only in the 90s .. crying
    1. tolan_petrovich
      tolan_petrovich 23 November 2015 10: 36 New
      0
      I agree with you!
      And even ceased to shine, did he get sick?)))
      Hello from Perm!
  • Victor Demchenko
    Victor Demchenko 23 November 2015 08: 31 New
    +1
    Quote: Shark Lover
    Along the way, they already believe that you can do any evil, and if you get it for the teeth then they whine and complain. And these are the Slavs !!!!!!

    they have long been NOT SLAVE! anyone, but not Slavs. even my relatives living there have never been close to me and my family. we have always been parasites (Ukraine to feed the entire Radyansky Union), then padded jackets and Colorado, and now we have them "aggressors", we do not let them into Europe! what
  • Belousov
    Belousov 23 November 2015 08: 43 New
    +2
    Well, it's just some kind of children's complexes. When young children do not pay enough attention, they try to attract him in every possible way, without thinking about the consequences. wassat fool
  • BOB044
    BOB044 23 November 2015 08: 50 New
    +1
    Already there is no strength to laugh at these Ukrainian patients. And when they all in their feces drown. They got their stupidity.
  • Vasyav
    Vasyav 23 November 2015 08: 52 New
    +1
    Crazy ... I hope to find a way to help compatriots!
    1. Arms
      Arms 23 November 2015 08: 57 New
      +1
      How can we help if there is NO electricity generating capacity !!!
      Well, there are no power plants there! Though you break into a cake. (you won’t get enough generators at all)
      If only on TV we constantly talk about help, then probably then we will help ...
      The Russian Federation will tolerate, the Nationalists will de-energize, the TV will broadcast that everything is fine.
      Even a month later, when they launch an energy bridge at 400 MW, this will not solve the problem. At least another 6-12 months to sit with a blackout.
      1. izya top
        izya top 23 November 2015 09: 22 New
        +1
        Quote: Armen
        there is NO electricity generating capacity !!!

        ahh, yes ... Rostov NPP was shut down ...
        fool tongue
        1. Arms
          Arms 23 November 2015 12: 01 New
          0
          Here is an eccentric !!! There is also the Bilibino NPP. She is in Chukotka. Yes, the wires from there are dumb.
          So is your Rostov! It is, that is, the current of the wires back is dumb to the Crimea and will not be soon.
  • Arms
    Arms 23 November 2015 08: 52 New
    -7
    After the President in 2014 withdrew from solving the problem of a coup d'etat and nationalists in power, for the Russian Federation everything is working out as badly as possible. Not resolving the issue of a small infection, it is becoming increasingly threatening.
    Hopes that she herself will pass (as ALL TV naively / purposefully broadcasts) is not destined to come true. Nationalism only grows stronger, since there is an "enemy."

    The Russian Federation has lost and will continue to lose without decisive action. :(
    If Strelkov or Mozgovoy had been allowed to solve this issue, then there would have been both light and water .....
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 23 November 2015 09: 01 New
      +1
      Well, let's say you're right. What actions should Russia have been? The entry of troops? I thought so too. Yes, gouging the Ukrainian army would be quite easy and fast. Only now, the whole question arises about the legal status of such actions, as well as about the political consequences.
      At the very least, we would get a full-fledged front right at our borders. And not the fact that there would be forces on Syria. And this is geopolitics. This nifiga is not a toy.
      1. Arms
        Arms 23 November 2015 09: 08 New
        -6
        At a minimum, we would get a full-fledged front right at our borders.
        Due to the passivity of 2014, when 1 company (it was conditionally possible to win the war), today we already have a full front at the gates.
        And then it will not be better, believe me.
        Russia will be deleted from the life of Ukraine. NATO and the WEST will settle there. And the front will be at the gate. (look how it became with the Baltic, all one to one.)
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 23 November 2015 09: 39 New
          +4
          Russia will be deleted from the life of Ukraine.

          Well crossed out so what? The Russian Federation will get worse from this? Nothing like this.
          NATO and the WEST will settle there. And the front will be at the gate. (look how it became with the Baltic, all one to one.)

          NATO and Europe themselves do not know where to go from the Baltic states. Those are still helpers. And here Ukraine is still where you can’t take a step without a freebie.
          Even if we admit (which will not happen) on the territory of Ukraine, the US base ... Um, a couple of the three Escanders will redirect to it. Everything.
          And then it will not be better, believe me.

          It will not be better for anyone? Ukraine will definitely not be better. I am sincerely sorry for those people who will not be able to leave because they fall under such a press, it will not seem enough.
          And Russia has always been under pressure. Hundreds of years. Either the Teutonic raids, the French tried, the Germans ... now they have come up with sanctions. The funny thing is that sanctions are sanctions, and European business has not left Russia. He is also building new plants.
          The problem is not everyone today is the United States. As soon as their dictates end, a new history of interstate relations will begin. No one has ever inserted as many sticks into the wheels of progress as they do.
          1. dauria
            dauria 23 November 2015 12: 13 New
            +1
            Well crossed out so what? The Russian Federation will get worse from this? Nothing like this.


            From Chernigov to Izmail, since the time of Suvorov, land has been paid for with the lives of Russian (and Soviet) soldiers. And now the Anglo-Saxons and Germans and Poles stretch their legs to them, is that normal? NATO aircraft at the Chernihiv airfields - not a reason to think? Yes, it’s such a failure internationally that it’s not easy to come up with an excuse. Well, you can blurt out - Gorbach is to blame for everything. What's the point?
          2. purple
            purple 23 November 2015 17: 19 New
            0
            Quote: Wedmak
            And Russia has always been under pressure. Hundreds of years. Either the Teutonic raids, the French tried, the Germans ... now they have come up with sanctions. The funny thing is that sanctions are sanctions, and European business has not left Russia. He is also building new plants.


            well, then what difference ?, you had to use the moment a year ago, tell Yanukovych, while the president was supposedly asking for help, they would send troops, law enforcement officers to the count ... sanctions, but what about sanctions, anyway, what difference does it make
        2. Stena
          Stena 23 November 2015 10: 28 New
          +5
          Quote: Armen
          when 1 company (it was conditionally possible to win the war), today we already have a full front at the gates.

          Somewhere it was already like this ... But this was during the storming of Grozny in the First Chechen ...
          Quote: Armen
          And then it will not be better, believe me.

          Who to believe then? Are you cowardly and foul-hearted?
          Go this Ukrainians panic - their problems - let them solve them themselves. We are Russians. And we solve our problems ourselves, without the prompts of any Armenians ....
      2. sa-ag
        sa-ag 23 November 2015 14: 02 New
        0
        Quote: Wedmak
        What actions should Russia have been? The entry of troops?

        Not necessarily, in February 2014, the heads of the regions of the southeast gathered in Kharkov, this issue could be resolved without any troops, throwing a question about, if not sovereignty, then at least autonomy and promise economic support to the region, nothing was done, everything Looks like they hoped for gas
    2. MATROSKIN-53
      MATROSKIN-53 23 November 2015 09: 57 New
      +3
      Shooters are a bluff! He was swept out of Slavyansk as a puppy. And now he is trying to condemn the policies and actions of GDP ...
    3. Egoza
      Egoza 23 November 2015 12: 46 New
      0
      Quote: Armen
      Hopes that she herself will pass (as ALL TV naively / purposefully broadcasts) is not destined to come true. Nationalism only grows stronger, since there is an "enemy."

      Armen! Put +, and minus jumped out. Already the celebration of the "anniversary of the Maidan" showed that not all ...
      “Get the fucking trash!” - Kiev celebrated Euromaidan anniversary with anti-Semitic coven
      Ukraine found itself in the grip of a world Zionist conspiracy.

      This was stated by the participants of the rally on the occasion of the anniversary of the Euromaidan, the correspondent of PolitNavigator reports.

      “Enough to endure this power, led by President Valtsman and Speaker Groisman and other ... lousy trash,” said an activist from Maydan named Tarasenko from the stage. - We are Ukrainians, and our state is Ukraine. We must lead. There are a dozen ministers of economics, education, and doctors. So why are we always being led like a herd of sheep?

      Also, the veche participants proposed to elect Nikolai Kokhanovsky, the commander of the OUN battalion, as their leader (ovage) and stated that further “Ukraine will not be able to move until we throw off these scumbags Poroshenko,” and they also warned the Ministry of Internal Affairs that they would not be saved body armor.

      Well, they will start with the Jews, (and not with Poroshenko and Yatsenyuk) then the Russians, etc. and it will turn out to be a real fascist state near Russia, through which ISIS fighters will pass with great pleasure (after all, you won’t bomb them all anyway)
    4. a housewife
      a housewife 23 November 2015 14: 33 New
      0
      And if you are instructed to be the president of the Russian Federation, then Russia would already be an universal superpower!
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  • rf xnumx
    rf xnumx 23 November 2015 08: 52 New
    0
    Ukraine still forced to talk about yourself
    Dill in one word
    1. MATROSKIN-53
      MATROSKIN-53 23 November 2015 09: 53 New
      0
      Is that a stone in the Russian garden? Or removed the first five minutes at the time of shutdown and now Russia snot ?! Suck you do not suck!
  • Zolotse
    Zolotse 23 November 2015 09: 07 New
    0
    Europe will accept Ukraine to itself and here it will begin: only Europeans will decide to apply restitution, and they will overwhelm a couple of supports yellow-black with them, and maybe they will arrange something worse. Look, they’ll cry with Nenko, and time will pass for us, they will run to Russia to complain about her ...
  • Nikolay71
    Nikolay71 23 November 2015 09: 25 New
    +4
    Here are the dodges! Thank God that the climate is warm in Crimea. As I imagined that some of us in Yakutia would have done such a thing, I almost became ill.
  • MATROSKIN-53
    MATROSKIN-53 23 November 2015 09: 46 New
    +2
    I do not get into the behavior of our authorities regarding the disconnection of the Crimea from electricity from the territory of Ukraine ?! Indeed, in the agreement on electric supply of Ukraine there is a specific clause on the Crimea. So what are we constantly waiting for? They turned off the Crimea, cut off all the electrical supply of Ukraine from Russia! But constantly the Russian Federation chews on snot, mumbles something that is not articulate, makes concessions, makes discounts, even intends to restructure the debt ... But for this we are poured in the face, but they call us an aggressor country. We will endure to stake?
  • Kim Klimov
    Kim Klimov 23 November 2015 10: 24 New
    +1
    As long as the Ukrainian camarilla is in power in Ukraine, there will be no peace and tranquility for either the Ukrainian or Russian people.
  • charle_k458
    charle_k458 23 November 2015 10: 28 New
    0
    "About the inhabitants of Kherson and Nikolaevsk with me, .."
    On which "globe of Ukraine" did the author find a n.p. Nikolaevsk near the glorious city of Kherson? winked
    And the location of the blown power lines on this globe is indicated? winked
    I recommend that the author, to improve the quality of writing articles, consult an unforgettable PSAC ...
  • tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 23 November 2015 10: 52 New
    +1
    So who are the teacher-mentors !!! ??? Overseas penguins go to any infamy in order to escalate the situation.
  • Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 23 November 2015 11: 05 New
    +2
    Well, how many Ukrainians who sympathize with Ukraine now remain in Crimea? And how many Tatars?

    They shoot at civilians; tourniquet of people; politically rivals are being massacred; trade with ISIS; now they got to life-supporting facilities - pure terrorists. It remains only to cut off the heads of the former regionals (starting with Poroshenko).
  • Vladimir
    Vladimir 23 November 2015 11: 06 New
    +1
    I can’t call the attack on the power transmission towers a terrorist attack, moreover, it happened with the tacit consent of the authorities against my own people. I don’t think that a handful of Tatars will restore what was destroyed from their pockets. It is outrageous since when did the terrorist activists manage strategic objects.
    1. purple
      purple 23 November 2015 17: 26 New
      +1
      Well, what to be indignant, this is your life now, however you yourself have come up with the Maidan, have a sip now
  • Chulman
    Chulman 23 November 2015 11: 27 New
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    Quote: Baikonur
    Quote: dr. sem
    It would be nice to scatter leaflets over 404.

    With an inscription in three languages:
    Russian - Fascists! Give up! otherwise you - .op!
    ykr. - Fascists! Hello! I wish you - .opa!
    German - Die Faschisten! Aufgeben !!! sonst werden Sie - Arsch!

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