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Tests of the newest American aircraft AC-130J passed "in a frighteningly unplanned scenario"

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The newest American aircraft supporting the AC-130J Ghostrider Gunships will be scrapped as if it failed the test: the car overturned during a test flight. Fortunately, no one was injured, reports Gearmix with reference to omnifeed.com. The cost of the new aircraft $ 115 million




The incident occurred during the “medium-risk flight test,” which is normal for AC-130J.

"The test flight was a frighteningly unplanned scenario," writes the publication with reference to the testers report. - At an altitude of approximately 4,5 km, the aircraft exceeded the target lateral slip angle, then stepping out of controlled control. The plane instantly turned over, after which it was returned to its original position, while having time to lose about 1,5 km in height. ”

According to the resource, “the crew of the aircraft, who suffered no injuries, returned to the base and landed safely, but Ghostrider was written off as a loss without the possibility of recovery, because it exceeded the estimated overload”.

It is reported that this incident "was not the only problem with AC-130J, they happened throughout its creation." Especially many problems arose when equipping the machine with a variety of electronic and optical systems.

When this machine is still put into service (presumably in 2017 g), "then it will become a powerful platform for 30- and 105-mm guns and will be crammed with high-precision weapons and guidance systems, ”notes the resource.
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  1. Tor5
    Tor5 21 November 2015 11: 20 New
    80
    I am not an evil person, but, in this particular one, I experience a "feeling of deep satisfaction!"
    1. MIKHAN
      MIKHAN 21 November 2015 11: 23 New
      +8
      Quote: Tor5
      I am not an evil person, but, in this particular one, I experience a "feeling of deep satisfaction!"

      Allah sees everything ..! bully
      1. VOLCHOXURAL
        VOLCHOXURAL 21 November 2015 11: 55 New
        34
        Quote: MIKHAN
        Allah sees everything ..! bully

        Come on, you gloat. Machines are not made by politicians but by engineers, they live by it and just want to create the best product in its class as possible. And at the same time they are greatly hindered by their own bosses, cuts, bonuses, etc. So they have to try to make a good car from what is left of the budget.
        1. Sid.74
          Sid.74 21 November 2015 12: 04 New
          +6
          The latest American aircraft support AC-130J

          Well, what's the newest one? request AC-130 with 68 year operated.wink
          A flying "baptism" flying artillery battery received more in Vietnam.
          This is just another of its modifications. But AC-130 U was removed in transformers.

          American reloads .... laughing
          MoonOfAlabama: "Public TV USA PBS uses footage of the attacks of the Russian Aerospace Forces to demonstrate American success"


          And the news is about Russian aviation.
          In Ulan-Ude completed flight control tests of the Arctic helicopter "Terminator"

          1. Private Starley
            Private Starley 21 November 2015 20: 59 New
            +1
            Oh, to call him a little like something, well, like the "Northern Bear", otherwise it’s some kind of thermometer ... And we wish him a good trip ...
        2. MIKHAN
          MIKHAN 21 November 2015 12: 08 New
          11
          Quote: VOLCHONOKSURALA
          Quote: MIKHAN
          Allah sees everything ..! bully

          Come on, you gloat. Machines are not made by politicians but by engineers, they live by it and just want to create the best product in its class as possible. And at the same time they are greatly hindered by their own bosses, cuts, bonuses, etc. So they have to try to make a good car from what is left of the budget.

          Your logic of thinking is strange ... These "machines" can bomb our cities! Have you thought about this? And malevolence has nothing to do with it, just a sense of self-preservation ... And cuts, bonuses, etc.This we have already heard from Navalny (who turned out to be a shallow thief .. and yet)))) They make these machines for a lot of money by robbing the whole world (and our money including you) ... And they forgive mistakes .. And our designers are not forgiven for financing as well, and they make masterpieces almost enthusiastically! And we already went through the “worship of the West”. .That is the case in the tank troops .. hi
          1. VOLCHOXURAL
            VOLCHOXURAL 21 November 2015 12: 30 New
            +9
            Quote: MIKHAN
            And "worship of the West," we have already passed this .. Here are such things in the tank troops .. hi

            Worship the West ??? Does it bump you? No need to invent for me !!! Go over my comments. Where did you see the worship of the west in my koment? I am purely about the mechanic, because the mechanic himself and you are insulting so that I wrote across yours?
            1. MIKHAN
              MIKHAN 21 November 2015 13: 16 New
              +1
              Quote: VOLCHONOKSURALA
              Quote: MIKHAN
              And "worship of the West," we have already passed this .. Here are such things in the tank troops .. hi

              Worship the West ??? Does it bump you? No need to invent for me !!! Go over my comments. Where did you see the worship of the west in my koment? I'm purely about mechenike, because the mechanic himself, and you offensive such that I wrote across yours?

              Sorry, I didn’t mean you ... hi But still, you have a lesson for the future mechanic! Speak clearly and that's it! hiIf they sent me, I would understand ..))) But you don't need to make excuses ... hi
              1. VOLCHOXURAL
                VOLCHOXURAL 21 November 2015 15: 51 New
                +3
                Quote: MIKHAN
                But still, you have a lesson for the future mechanic!

                Lesson.. request where?

                Quote: MIKHAN
                : If they sent me, I would understand ..)))

                They send it when there is nothing to say, but I told you that you do not need to invent it! hi

                Quote: MIKHAN
                And you don’t need to make excuses ...

                Justify what? request where?
                1. krot
                  krot 21 November 2015 17: 19 New
                  -9
                  Finally, the weapon is crap! From cannons to shoot from the plane ..))) bu ha ha))) The campaign will still squeaked with a wick!)))
                  1. Julio Jurenito
                    Julio Jurenito 21 November 2015 19: 37 New
                    -2
                    A specialized device for controlling the population of Papuans.
                    And what other enemy can the slow-moving trough go with impunity at a height of no more than 1-1,5 km, watering the surroundings from the barrel artillery ?!
                    1. mvg
                      mvg 21 November 2015 21: 25 New
                      +4
                      Flight altitude 4.5 - 6 km. MANPADS cannot be shot down; there are REBs actually operating, plus altitude, plus not single-engine. Even now in Syria, such cows would come in handy .. This is better than hunting for Kyrgyz fuel trucks worth $ 2-3 million and risking strategists (if only because of technical problems). A couple of such cows, with a time of 4.5 hours above the battlefield, would make a quiche-mish bearded.
                      If the Americans did not have good statistics on the use of this prodigy in Vietnam, they would hardly have begun to develop this topic.
                      PS: Not every Stinger will fly close to such a wunderwaffle .. With such a payload, this tank can take serious equipment.
                      1. ancient
                        ancient 21 November 2015 22: 21 New
                        +5
                        Quote: mvg
                        A couple of such cows, with a time of 4.5 hours above the battlefield, would have made a quiche-mish bearded.


                        Why"? True, there is also the A-10C .. "attended" wink And so .. quality Gunship works soldier

                      2. 2s1122
                        2s1122 22 November 2015 10: 40 New
                        0
                        So the United States uses this technique against those who do not have a worthy answer to this tank, and for the modern army to overwhelm its trifling business. But the machine itself as a solid transporter.
                      3. Julio Jurenito
                        Julio Jurenito 24 November 2015 08: 42 New
                        0
                        I beg of you! It’s suitable for the stage, but for aiming the artillery, it’s necessary to go down to at least 1,5. And what for him electronic warfare against the Papuans with the Stingers and DShK?
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              2. mav1971
                mav1971 21 November 2015 17: 41 New
                +5
                Quote: MIKHAN

                Sorry, I didn’t mean you ... hi But still, you have a lesson for the future mechanic! Speak clearly and that's it! hiIf they sent me, I would understand ..))) But you don't need to make excuses ... hi


                Hrenase logic.

                Don't you have a skull?

                Of course, I didn’t mean you, but still you have a lesson for the future!
                Speak clearer for the future!

                And express yourself exactly as I want, and not the way you want!
                What would I perceive as I want. not like you wanted to write!
                Do you like this kind of dialogue?

                I think. which no one likes.
                And your mentor tone - leave it for your family!
                Not worth it!
                Look dumb and stupid!

                This is a lesson for you, without sending and without excuses!
          2. leyurtim
            leyurtim 21 November 2015 13: 05 New
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            Cities are bombed not by cars and not by pilots, but by politicians and generals, as well as cash aces, the masters of our lives. Speaking of cars, the Messerschmidt 109 and the Tiger and Panther tanks were not fascists, they were Hitler and Goebbels. For a couple of hundreds of Soviet T-34 tanks also fought against the Red Army, having a swastika on board. And the jet Me-262 flew with red jagged tail and fuselage. In the LII, Zhukovsky, 1945-1946. So, the machine is a dumb piece of iron, it has no ideology. Soul and ideology are carried by people. Or nonhumans. And pilots, they are victims of ideology and propaganda. The Ukrainian pilots who bombed Lugansk and Donetsk, as well as our guys who bombed the Afghan villages, are right in their own right, for they are convinced that they are doing their duty and defending a just cause.
            1. Conscience
              Conscience 21 November 2015 13: 37 New
              0
              belay
              thought for a long time before writing?
              Or is it such a way of avoiding liability?
              just like striped amoeba reasoning.
            2. plotnikov561956
              plotnikov561956 21 November 2015 13: 54 New
              +2
              That .. what you wrote .. pure water Demagogy. Ukrainian pilots will say thanks. From the punishers of their people became oaths of people ... Carefully re-read your opus .... so much can be justified
              1. igorka357
                igorka357 21 November 2015 14: 40 New
                +2
                Allow the situation and answer ... You are a serviceman of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, and here I and my fellow countrymen from the Irkutsk region want to separate from Russia, the military units of the entire Irkutsk region have come to our side, and you are ordered to come to us and put things in order, otherwise we will separate from the country ... I’m just interested in your actions .. come to us and you will beg, you will persuade ..? You correctly said this is demagogy, but demagogy is very controversial, from the point of view of the oath, which is sacred for the military, and from the point of view of conscience that important for a Christian !!!
                1. plotnikov561956
                  plotnikov561956 21 November 2015 15: 09 New
                  +4
                  You understand me no worse ... what to put on one shelf the pilot of the Soviet Air Force fighting in Afghanistan and the Ukrainian pilots destroying the people of Donbass is just blasphemy ... and to bring this idea to the masses is just demagogy (an absolute substitution of values ​​with beautiful words)
                  In this case ... a sworn soldier and an oath punisher .. Is there a difference ..?
                  1. igorka357
                    igorka357 22 November 2015 10: 09 New
                    0
                    I didn’t say anything about the pilots of the USSR Air Force)))! I won’t judge the Ukrainian pilots, God will condemn them! The bottom line is that they are sure that they are fulfilling the order for the good of their Ukrainian, if in doubt I don’t think that they would bomb Donbas, Khokhlyat flyers pay pennies, or don’t pay at all ... so it’s not out of mercenary motivation that they fly and fall !!! They fall often and painfully, but they continue to fly, why ... can you answer me? And I want to add, it's nice to have dealing with a normal interlocutor
                2. Private Starley
                  Private Starley 21 November 2015 21: 10 New
                  0
                  Perhaps that’s the point in your scenario, that the military units of the Irkutsk region took the side, which directly indicates a violation of the oath, and before you separate you need to legally formalize everything like a referendum and so on, but I think that people will think ten times before to do something. And the department is probably not connected with the coup d'état? And the Armed Forces of Ukraine just the first thing and violated the oath of standing by the beginning of some sort of civil lackeys such as Turchinov and Yitsenyukha ...
                  P.S. : But technology still has a soul ...
                  1. igorka357
                    igorka357 22 November 2015 09: 50 New
                    0
                    We connected the Irkutsk branch with dishonest and dirty elections, so that those who were dissatisfied with these elections were attracted according to an article in Moscow itself, so that the Irkutsk region was tired of feeding Moscow, and living in poverty itself, would arrange such an option, and of course, our Irkutsk the authorities are going to hold a referendum and a vote! True, you noticed that the military unit of the Irkutsk region violated the oath, but they didn’t lose their combat effectiveness! So the military from the western part of Russia is sent to restore order to the eastern part of Russia, we .. peaceful residents see us as corrupt and the corrupt Moscow doesn’t want to let loose bread, go to the partisans, and strongly support the Irkutia’s independence party! And if eighty percent vote for separation, we will defend our independence by force of arms !!! Well ... and what are your actions? Will you shoot at me ... Russian mother who lived in Siberia all his life, shooting at you from the bushes or from the window of his house? This is a purely hypothetical assumption, in reality and this certainly won’t happen !!! I’m just wondering when someone will specifically tell me “Never to let go, shoot and plant all the instigators of the collapse of Russia into regions and territories, otherwise Russia will not survive, we live while we are united” or do you have a different opinion?
                3. Ze Kot
                  Ze Kot 23 November 2015 14: 47 New
                  0
                  Quote: igorka357
                  You are a serviceman of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, and here I and my fellow countrymen from the Irkutsk region want to separate from Russia, the military units of the entire Irkutsk region have come to our side, and you are ordered to come to us and restore order, otherwise we will separate from the country


                  You and the rebellious units will become traitors who violated the oath. Plus a call for the collapse of the country.
                  In all severity of the law. How else ? request
            3. zennon
              zennon 21 November 2015 17: 57 New
              +6
              Quote: leyurtim
              And the jet Me-262 flew with red jagged tail and fuselage. In the LII, Zhukovsky, 1945-1946.

              Here is the captured FV-190. There were a lot of them in our units after the war.
          3. yushch
            yushch 21 November 2015 14: 28 New
            +4
            These cities will not be able to bomb our cities, they are intended for the war with the Papuans, and these are the main wars waged by the United States. Therefore, they have them in service. And so it is an easy target for normal air defense.
          4. NOMADE
            NOMADE 21 November 2015 14: 36 New
            +5
            what nonsense ?? what kind of bomb on a transport plane ?! what the hell are you talking about ..?! what bulk ?? what cuts? Meehan, you carry a lot of "pop hell" ...
            In this situation, the test board made an overkill in the test flight .. but survived ..) these are purely test problems
            1. serezhasoldatow
              serezhasoldatow 21 November 2015 16: 30 New
              +2
              All transporters are adapted for bombing.
            2. Zefr
              Zefr 21 November 2015 21: 25 New
              +3
              This is not a transporter, this is a ship-gun, in their opinion, in our opinion, something like a side-attack aircraft. Flies in circles above the point of attack and shoots from a side gun.
        3. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 21 November 2015 12: 39 New
          0
          According to the resource, “the crew of the plane, which did not suffer any injuries, returned to the base and landed safely,
          The crew after such a somersault was washed for three hours from feces caused by stach, in front of a new miracle machine.
          1. vorobey
            vorobey 21 November 2015 12: 56 New
            21
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            According to the resource, “the crew of the plane, which did not suffer any injuries, returned to the base and landed safely,
            The crew after such a somersault was washed for three hours from feces caused by stach, in front of a new miracle machine.


            Oh, Sanya ... and I’m taking off my hat to them ... it’s not a shame to crap .. but getting out of such a mess here I need skill ... there are aces and they don’t say anything ..

            that's who Ukrainians taught how to build crochets ... there were normal people contacted with the Americans .. a handshake is contagious ..
            1. Private Starley
              Private Starley 21 November 2015 21: 21 New
              +1
              It’s for sure, they have asses too, but our spirit will have more ...
          2. igorka357
            igorka357 21 November 2015 14: 33 New
            +3
            You underestimate the profession of a test pilot !!!
        4. sabakina
          sabakina 21 November 2015 14: 09 New
          +1
          Quote: VOLCHONOKSURALA
          Quote: MIKHAN
          Allah sees everything ..! bully

          Come on, you gloat. Machines are not made by politicians but by engineers, they live by it and just want to create the best product in its class as possible. And at the same time they are greatly hindered by their own bosses, cuts, bonuses, etc. So they have to try to make a good car from what is left of the budget.

          AN-178 was also done by human engineers ... Do you want to stay there as a ballast? wink
        5. yushch
          yushch 21 November 2015 14: 32 New
          +1
          Quote: VOLCHONOKSURALA
          Quote: MIKHAN
          Allah sees everything ..! bully

          Come on, you gloat. Machines are not made by politicians but by engineers, they live by it and just want to create the best product in its class as possible. And at the same time they are greatly hindered by their own bosses, cuts, bonuses, etc. So they have to try to make a good car from what is left of the budget.


          I read once that when testing the latest fighters in the United States there was such a case. When crossing the equator, the planes hit the southern hemisphere due to deficiencies in avionics software, all the aircraft turned 180 degrees and continued to fly upside down.
        6. APASUS
          APASUS 21 November 2015 15: 50 New
          +2
          Quote: VOLCHONOKSURALA
          Machines are not made by politicians but by engineers, they live by it and just want to create the best product in its class as possible.

          Somehow I had to read materials on the Space Shuttle program and read a very interesting fact there. That not all engineers can explain what happens in Shuttle mechanisms and nodes when it is on the launch pad, such a complex system was created and sometimes it was simply explained by the fact that the mechanism lives their life. Americans have a pretty good engineering school, but as a rule they are served by people with limited thinking and strictly according to instructions.
          1. gridasov
            gridasov 21 November 2015 16: 18 New
            -4
            You are absolutely right that, firstly, at different operating modes, a rocket engine as a living changes the structure of magnetic power processes, but in fact this determines its variability. Secondly, people are really different in their priorities and the higher sometimes, or rather, the depth of penetration into knowledge, the more difficult it is to find like-minded people. On another Internet site, I threw the idea of ​​an electric machine with two rotors, when one rotor works and creates a moment of rotation force and perceives the load as a motor, and the other rotor on the same shaft and with a common stator works as a generator and gives energy to the circuit same battery. So the most interesting thing is that the principle of operation of such a motor generator is elementary for understanding by a physicist, but everyone asks for details. People do not want to think at all. So the military will grind their aspects of the issue, and physicists and engineers will.
        7. Private Starley
          Private Starley 21 November 2015 20: 55 New
          0
          So, in this case, our engineers generally need to erect monuments during their lifetime, we also have some who drink blood, who get bonus, and they saw saw ... And at the output, a wonderful technique ... pah pah pah, so as not to jinx it ...
    2. lelikas
      lelikas 21 November 2015 11: 24 New
      13
      Interestingly - it did not collapse, but simply exceeded the overload and immediately went to waste. In general, this would not hurt ours in Syria. Ganships show very good results in accuracy.
      1. Mercenary
        Mercenary 21 November 2015 11: 32 New
        12
        But what did he lose when leveling 1,5 km in height? What would happen if the coup occurred at an altitude of 1,3 km from the earth ?? Would you go 200 meters deep?
        1. ancient
          ancient 21 November 2015 11: 51 New
          33
          Quote: Mercenary
          But what did he lose when leveling 1,5 km in height?


          The question is different .... the plane went beyond all the standards for maximum permissible strength limits and ..... he landed good
          The plane performed a “coil” with a negative pitch angle .. so the loss is 1.5 meters .. it's .. like a "hello" wink
          On large machines (when doing the “tubs”, which you prepare in advance .. by selecting the sweep and pitch angle and angular velocity) and then .. you lose about 300 meters .. while entering the “tub” is performed from the GP mode and at high altitude). bully Well, or in climb mode bully

          I note the very good work of fuel automation (in particular pumping pumps), because not one engine did not stand up.

          Quote: Mercenary
          What would happen if the coup occurred at an altitude of 1,3 km from the earth ?? Would you go 200 meters deep?


          Do not carefully read the news, but it says that the flight was carried out according to the “LEE program” and in such cases EVERYTHING is always performed at MEDIUM and LARGE heights.

          Well, if it "went into the ground" .. then 15-20 meters, depending on the density of the soil and vertical speed ... "rash" soldier
          1. lelikas
            lelikas 21 November 2015 12: 13 New
            +3
            Quote: ancient

            How are our pilots - for stars draw stars?
            1. ancient
              ancient 21 November 2015 12: 46 New
              10
              Quote: lelikas
              How are our pilots - for stars draw stars?


              Draw! +! wink And they have every right! soldier

              1. vorobey
                vorobey 21 November 2015 12: 59 New
                +5
                Quote: ancient
                Draw! +! And they have every right!


                Che old bullshit ... I suppose a tooth crumbles with envy? laughing drinks Hello ... to throw off a year?
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 21 November 2015 13: 07 New
                  +7
                  Quote: vorobey
                  Th old bullshit.

                  It’s also encrypted, no one thinks laughing
                  1. Boa kaa
                    Boa kaa 21 November 2015 20: 56 New
                    +6
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    It’s also encrypted, no one thinks
                    Nefig was to spread rot of a man, and encryption would not be necessary! But he is one of the pros / experts of our aviation site. Heresy did not allow to dissolve with fantasies / utopias / AVIA-blunders ...
                    Oh, and you do not save frames, do not save !!! angry
                    Now all that remains is to look at his "former avatar" as a beauty who has gone away!
                    1. Aleksandr1959
                      Aleksandr1959 21 November 2015 21: 52 New
                      +5
                      And the ancientfor messages or a bunch of pluses .... or vice versa. Depending on who read the posts. If those who accuse him of belonging to the "fifth column", then solid minuses, If anyone even thinks anything in military aviation, then of course the pluses.
                      And to an extraordinary person, to the same professional of the highest class .... unfortunately often such an attitude. And not only within the site, but also in life.
                    2. ancient
                      ancient 21 November 2015 22: 36 New
                      +3
                      Quote: BoA KAA
                      Now all that remains is to look at his "former avatar"


                      Sasha, on the profile picture was Tomcat drinks

                      1. Boa kaa
                        Boa kaa 22 November 2015 00: 33 New
                        +3
                        Quote: ancient
                        on the profile picture was Tomcat

                        S .... Ah! I remember that very well! The first time I saw her in the year 80, in the magazine "ZVO" ... I was struck by a "mustache"!
                        Now the whole Turnet has climbed - well, there isn’t her, even though it’s written! I’m reading a footnote: at the request of am-media, some photos are removed as copyright works.
                        Apparently this photo masterpiece came under the distribution ...
                        And I stuck to Orel, not really worrying about the authenticity of the fact, I was very upset by the results of the search ...
                        That's it, brother, musy! drinks
                      2. Boa kaa
                        Boa kaa 22 November 2015 00: 39 New
                        +5
                        Quote: ancient
                        on the profile picture was Tomcat

                        Re-climbed into the tyrnet from another search engine - the first building ...--- GOOD LUCK!
                        Bring her back to yourself, and come back with her under your own name!
                2. ancient
                  ancient 21 November 2015 22: 29 New
                  +3
                  Quote: vorobey
                  I suppose a tooth crumbles with envy?


                  There is .. "little" that it is a sin to conceal wink Yes, in principle, and 5, but preferably 7 and ... forward drinks soldier (for recovery .. maximum week wink ) the truth with the "complicated" will be "problems" .. so we .. "under the curtain" we go and .. M / M "draw". With a NORMAL navigator and a “working” RPO ... 0/0 you can freely .. even without a RTS airfield and landing systems soldier
                  1. vorobey
                    vorobey 21 November 2015 22: 55 New
                    +5
                    Quote: ancient
                    There is .. "little" that it is a sin to conceal


                    do you even resent me for such a frivolous treatment? otherwise your lawyers got so many minuses that I felt ashamed ... drinks
                    1. ancient
                      ancient 21 November 2015 23: 28 New
                      +4
                      Quote: vorobey
                      do you even resent me for such a frivolous treatment?


                      Sanya, what were the “problems” between us and when? drinks (Now you say ... and problems ... then get ... a shovel ... wassat ) drinks
                      1. vorobey
                        vorobey 21 November 2015 23: 45 New
                        +5
                        Quote: ancient
                        Sanya, what were the “problems” between us and when?


                        Do you have a problem? on the back with a shovel on ... laughing
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          2. Aleksandr1959
            Aleksandr1959 21 November 2015 21: 56 New
            +1
            Well, if it "went into the ground" .. then 15-20 meters, depending on the density of the soil and the vertical speed ... "rash" soldier

            The "pit" would be a decent size.
        2. SRC P-15
          SRC P-15 21 November 2015 11: 52 New
          0
          Quote: Mercenary
          What would happen if the coup occurred at an altitude of 1,3 km from the earth ?? Would you go 200 meters deep?

          And what would be a flying submarine! laughing
          1. Boa kaa
            Boa kaa 22 November 2015 01: 00 New
            +3
            Quote: SRC P-15
            there would be a flying submarine!

            Yes there was, there was such a ...
            In 1937, even 3 set world records for light seaplanes. But they didn’t take it into service - it wasn’t up to the exotic.
            But the Americans remembered the idea, and today they rivet Cormoran - an UAV starting from the mine of the Ogai plRK.
      2. igorka357
        igorka357 21 November 2015 14: 42 New
        +1
        For nomadic tribes, accuracy is excellent! God forbid such a ganship on Strela-10 to fly ..)))!
    3. pvv113
      pvv113 21 November 2015 11: 40 New
      +1
      I join with great pleasure !!!
      1. quote
        quote 21 November 2015 12: 08 New
        -1
        And what is the latest aircraft?
        Letter J
        Lockheed AC-130 - flying artillery battery for direct support of ground forces on the battlefield. The basis for this AA AA vehicle is the Lockheed C-130 transport aircraft. The installation of weapons and additional equipment was carried out by Boeing. He took an active part in the Vietnam War.

        These are the heads! These are the designers! Create the newest aircraft from the old fence (fence) !!!
        1. MIKHAN
          MIKHAN 21 November 2015 12: 23 New
          21
          Here are our old days .. hi And now there are those who are not for money, but for the idea! Russia is holding onto them!
          1. mav1971
            mav1971 21 November 2015 18: 40 New
            +4
            Quote: MIKHAN
            Here are our old days .. hi And now there are those who are not for money, but for the idea! Russia is holding onto them!


            no matter how we worship the Queen’s talent, but this picture is very bad.
            For a person awarded the Lenin Prize (a very considerable amount) and many other prizes, and even twice Hero of Socialist Labor (at least 100 rubles per month) with the salary of the Civil Code - was very well provided.
            His salary was officially 1500 rubles. In Soviet money.
            The colossal amount in those days.
            He just lived "very wide"!
            That's it.
            Mom sent 250 rubles monthly.
            He gave fur coats for many thousands.
            Read Golovanov’s memoirs - brains will fall into place.

            A man for his most important work received good money!

            I am writing this not for you (because you are stupid if you post such stupid pictures), but for the young.
            So that they do not have thoughts that really important people for the defense industry are completely unkempt!
            As it may seem from your opus!
            You can’t feed your family with ideas.

            The state pays worthy work for worthy people!

            And choosing a path that can lead to a high position and responsibility - he will not have to live starving and the family will also not need!
            1. Saratoga833
              Saratoga833 21 November 2015 20: 26 New
              +1
              This is your opus, and with a big darling! This great man was not silver-free, but helped and fed his family and friends, and did not put money in a small bag. Do you think this is bad?
        2. mav1971
          mav1971 21 November 2015 18: 01 New
          +2
          Quote: devis
          And what is the latest aircraft?
          Letter J
          Lockheed AC-130 - flying artillery battery for direct support of ground forces on the battlefield. The basis for this AA AA vehicle is the Lockheed C-130 transport aircraft. The installation of weapons and additional equipment was carried out by Boeing. He took an active part in the Vietnam War.

          These are the heads! These are the designers! Create the newest aircraft from the old fence (fence) !!!


          And you read its modern characteristics. there will be many interesting things.
          I assure you.
          And the list of weapons is extremely good.
          One guns were not limited.
          Plus work as a tanker.

          The main thing is. that it is made on the basis of Super-Hercules.
          and in it:
          Qi tata: A new aircraft should have an increased practical range by 40%, 40% higher flight altitude in cruise mode, 50% shorter cruising altitude climb time, 22% shorter runway length required and 21% increased cruising speed.
          For ground maintenance of a squadron of 18 new aircraft, 406 personnel would be required compared to 661 on the Hercules of previous modifications.
          I think that for such changes the government would give the premium as for a new plane.
    4. Juborg
      Juborg 21 November 2015 12: 12 New
      -2
      But why do you need such a subsonic tomb with cannon weapons? Pastoralists with turntables seem to have no problems. After all, the aircraft is considered as a support aircraft.
    5. Vyacheslavovich
      Vyacheslavovich 21 November 2015 13: 17 New
      0
      I feel the same way
    6. Private Starley
      Private Starley 21 November 2015 20: 50 New
      0
      Fortunately, no one was hurt, and to the great HAPPINESS on the BROKEN, and after equipping with weapons and electronics, again the tests and again the scrapping ...
  2. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 21 November 2015 11: 22 New
    +6
    The cost of the new aircraft is $ 115 million.

    The main cost, which for some reason the Americans always increase in proportion to the increase in the time of the declared commissioning.
    1. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak 21 November 2015 11: 36 New
      +2
      Quote: rotmistr60
      The main cost, which for some reason the Americans always increase in proportion to the increase in the time of the declared commissioning.

      It's that simple. The piece of iron doesn’t just stand in the hangar. People are working with her and over her, remodeling something, recounting, reinstalling, and for this everyone is paid a salary.
      1. rotmistr60
        rotmistr60 21 November 2015 11: 47 New
        0
        But all this had to be taken into account at the declared cost of the aircraft and the timing of its commissioning, taking into account all the nuances. But at the same time, all the latest aircraft praised by the Americans not only did not pass complete tests, but the price of them increased almost multiple. As a result, the Allies significantly reduced the number of aircraft planned for the purchase.
  3. venaya
    venaya 21 November 2015 11: 23 New
    +5
    Apparently, the decrease in the educational level of American designers is having an effect, hence their problems. Recently, not only aviation developments are suffering, but also their work in the Navy.
    1. max702
      max702 21 November 2015 12: 01 New
      +1
      This is possible, but we should not forget about the complexity of new products, there are no technical breakthroughs, so you have to draw all resources from products half a century ago, and they are not endless ..
      1. sir_obs
        sir_obs 21 November 2015 13: 55 New
        +2
        During the tests of the Tu-150 passenger, there was a similar case, the plane rolled over on its back, the pilot did not try to return it to its normal position during the coup, but twisted it further. As a result, the plane made a barrel and returned to normal flight and sat down safely. But it was written off due to serious damage to the structure from overloads, for which it was not designed.
  4. sever.56
    sever.56 21 November 2015 11: 23 New
    +5
    Maybe the load for balancing is not fixed? wassat
  5. Alex1977RUS
    Alex1977RUS 21 November 2015 11: 24 New
    32
    Still, Hercules is an extremely reliable machine. Something the Yankees do very well.
    You’ll argue with horseradish.
    A barrel for a transporter, without breaking the set - this is strong.
    Write-off without the possibility of recovery due to exceeding the calculated overloads - obviously ...
    However, it did not fall apart in the air and was able to return and sit down normally.
    1. Altona
      Altona 21 November 2015 11: 39 New
      +3
      Quote: Alex1977RUS
      Still, Hercules is an extremely reliable machine. Something the Yankees do very well.
      You’ll argue with horseradish.

      ---------------------
      I thought with ganshipy they are fine. all the more, the platform seems to be an old, classic one ... But something went wrong ... Houston, we have problems ...
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    3. faridg7
      faridg7 21 November 2015 12: 11 New
      +5
      Well, they did a solid glider, and even wrote off it, I think, not just like that, for good now it can also be disassembled for flaw detection. One thing I don’t understand, is such a gun needed for the plane? 105 mm, do they think that the armata is flying?
      1. Catafract
        Catafract 21 November 2015 15: 54 New
        0
        artillery installation in the air, support for the landing, in general, a necessary thing for the marines.
        1. faridg7
          faridg7 21 November 2015 16: 44 New
          +2
          support landing forces 1 barrel? are you laughing? It’s not a gunship, it’s only one barrel, and it’s 7-9 rounds per minute, despite the fact that it’s a plane and it moves at least 350 km per hour and then on a glide path, it’s more likely that you’ll be hit by your landing, there’s only comfort from one trunk a lot will not get. Airborne landing support - at least a link to helicopters or attack aircraft. And this is a perversion rather for dirty tricks and sabotage in places where they did not hear about the air defense system
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      2. Igor Polovodov
        Igor Polovodov 21 November 2015 23: 55 New
        0
        Armata does not fly, it soars!
  6. biznaw
    biznaw 21 November 2015 11: 24 New
    +2
    GanShip for the execution of indigenous tribes?
  7. Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 21 November 2015 11: 24 New
    24
    Two crows.
    - Turn over!
    - Do not roll over!
    - Turn over!
    - Do not roll over!
    Overturned.
    - I got it!
    - Serving Russia!
  8. lopvlad
    lopvlad 21 November 2015 11: 26 New
    -1
    An example of a spectacular cut in the US budget.
    1. Catafract
      Catafract 21 November 2015 15: 55 New
      -1
      what a touching concern for the US budget ....
      1. AUL
        AUL 21 November 2015 20: 38 New
        +2
        This brand is now on the forum. If in essence there are no thoughts - they write "cut the budget!". A hundred about them, what about us. Economists, damn it ...
  9. Gvfrog
    Gvfrog 21 November 2015 11: 26 New
    0
    Standard cut in yusovsky!
  10. kote119
    kote119 21 November 2015 11: 26 New
    +7
    ambiguous and very interesting aircraft of this family, do not say, but there is a highlight in them
    1. kotvov
      kotvov 21 November 2015 13: 28 New
      0
      what don’t say, but there’s a highlight in them,
      Is that a coup? Well, you won’t take it away.
  11. NIKNN
    NIKNN 21 November 2015 11: 31 New
    +2
    Serious maneuver. It is good that their diapers production is established. belay
  12. Bort radist
    Bort radist 21 November 2015 11: 31 New
    +5
    An interesting, promising, reliable PLANE. He would have flown the price if he hadn’t.
    1. ancient
      ancient 21 November 2015 11: 54 New
      +4
      Quote: Bort Radist
      Interesting, promising, reliable PLANE


      Hi Boris! The feeling of "ured patriotism" is understandable, but ... if you compare the accidents and disasters on the An-12 and the Hercules, then ... the An-12 ... "far ahead of him .. very far" soldier
      1. kartalovkolya
        kartalovkolya 21 November 2015 12: 35 New
        0
        The plane is interesting, but no one has spoken about the heights from which it can fire (accurate) and how is it protected from MANPADS?
      2. askort154
        askort154 21 November 2015 12: 50 New
        +9
        ancient .... The feeling of "Urya-patriotism" is understandable, but ... if you compare the accidents and disasters on the An-12 and the Hercules, then ... the An-12 ... "far ahead of him .. very far"

        And what to compare? A raid on a scheduled aircraft, operating conditions? Can be more specific.
        Or are you on the principle that if American is better. Yes, there were problems, initially, on the An-12
        with selection of air for heating the anti-icing system. Yes, there were several disasters because of this, but then everything settled down. An-12 became a Kalashnikov assault rifle, and it scoured the whole of Africa in the desert, and in the Arctic with Atarctica it was indispensable in its class for polar ice floes. Something I do not have such information that would be "Hercules" so used. I doubt that on it the American pilots would be able to land at the SMU for the return start OPS, or visually
        on a snow-covered strip. And for the pilots of Siberia and the Arctic, this is "everyday life" (was)!
        Your stuffing about "cheers-patriotism", I'm sorry, absurdity.
        1. ancient
          ancient 21 November 2015 22: 58 New
          +1
          Quote: askort154
          Something I do not have such information that would be "Hercules" so used.


          And why am I to blame for this ... that you ... don’t know? request

          Quote: askort154
          I doubt that on it the American pilots would be able to land at the SMU for the return start OPS, or visually


          It’s bad that you doubt wink

          so what about the "stuffing", especially not cheers, but "urya" ... this is the BIG difference wink
        2. ancient
          ancient 21 November 2015 23: 31 New
          +2
          Quote: askort154
          Or are you on the principle that if American is better.


          Are you trying to drag me into the "srach", which is better .. Mercedes or Lada .. although both this and that car .. or all the same .. "vehicle"? wink

          On this occasion, there is a wonderful joke ".. Zhigul, summer + 35 .. wife .. well, let me open the window at least .. do you want everyone to see that we have in the car ... no air conditioning"? wassat
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      4. NEXUS
        NEXUS 21 November 2015 13: 52 New
        +2
        Quote: ancient
        Hi Boris! The feeling of "ured patriotism" is understandable, but ... if you compare the accidents and disasters on the An-12 and the Hercules, then ... the An-12 ... "far ahead of him .. very far"

        Hi Sasha drinks No doubt, Hercules is a noble machine. But in defense of the AN-12 I’ll say that it’s better “on the threshold” at the test stage to detect defects and shortcomings, rather than in the troops when piloted by regular pilots. And therefore a large number of “emergency situations” are at the test stage , says only that the pilots, the designer finish the car and try to make it as safe as possible.
        Sincerely. hi
        1. ancient
          ancient 21 November 2015 22: 54 New
          +3
          Quote: NEXUS
          . But in defense of the AN-12 I will say


          I’m not in terms of the fact that the An-12 is a bad aircraft, but simply answered Boris at his statement ... "what if Hercules" also flew .....
          Now, dear Andrei, I inform you that on November 21.11, 2015, during the operation of the An-12 aircraft only, 216 pieces were LOST soldier (this is not only in the Russian Federation, but around the world who has them in service and in commercial and "special operation) .... well, how much Hercules is lost all over the world .. in the Internet there is a lot of information .. compare and .. feel as they say .. "difference" wink
          Yours faithfully, drinks
  13. Alex1977RUS
    Alex1977RUS 21 November 2015 11: 34 New
    +3
    Quote: lelikas
    Interestingly - it did not collapse, but simply exceeded the overload and immediately went to waste. In general, this would not hurt ours in Syria. Ganships show very good results in accuracy.

    So the power kit most likely led, and it is simply impossible to assess the degree of damage, it is necessary to disassemble the plane completely, check each element, each pipeline and hose, check each wire and connector ... This is unrealistic. Cheaper to write off.
  14. Reinhard
    Reinhard 21 November 2015 11: 38 New
    +4
    This can only be used with overwhelming superiority in the air. And so for any fighter. what a duck for a falcon. wink
    1. samoletil18
      samoletil18 21 November 2015 12: 12 New
      +3
      Quote: Reinhard
      This can only be used with overwhelming superiority in the air. And so for any fighter. what a duck for a falcon. wink
      And where have the Americans since Vietnam seen powerful air defense?
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  15. made13
    made13 21 November 2015 11: 38 New
    +3
    A strange concept - 1 MANPADS and the plane is out of order, 2 hits and that's it. Such a platform requires air superiority and the absence of anti-aircraft weapons on the ground. Given the fact that transport planes are slow-moving, it will also be possible to get into it from RPGs.
    1. engineer74
      engineer74 21 November 2015 11: 51 New
      +2
      His working range, EMNIP, 2000-3000m, speed ~ 400km / h, works mainly at night, so you got excited with RPGs, but you can get an advanced ATGM, however, like an antique KS-19!
    2. max702
      max702 21 November 2015 12: 19 New
      +4
      The concept is great! And such a plane would not hurt us at all, one of its advantages is a long time at the right point and the possibility of a quick reaction to a call up to several minutes, for example, a group is working on the ground and they needed fire support, and the plane is barraging at that time this square went down worked for the target and further to the barrage, the ammunition and fuel sizes will allow it, and with the current target designation tools the work will be very accurate .. The ideal concept for using this aircraft is shown in the movie "Transformers" and I’ll say frankly that it’s nothing so fantastic no, all this is realizable now. Regarding what it is where there is no air defense well, so every instrument for its case, working heights of 3-4 km and night use negate MANPADS and small-caliber artillery, and something larger is extremely rare now in conflicts. This is primarily counter-guerrilla the plane, the most against the broads and other irrelevant
      Once again I will repeat exactly the detection and target designation tools plus a large supply of fuel and ammunition make this aircraft very interesting in recent conflicts ..
      pc: There was a message where the United States with these aircraft defeated a column of fuel trucks in Syria, there were hundreds of vehicles there, for such purposes it’s the most ..
      1. Dinko
        Dinko 22 November 2015 05: 04 New
        0
        What it doesn’t reduce, MANPADS will do their job. And what is the accuracy of firing from 105 mm guns is also a question. Less see transformers.
  16. engineer74
    engineer74 21 November 2015 11: 39 New
    +5
    A good plane, but only for areas where there is no air defense from the word "general"! I sympathize with the crew, gray hair appears from such flights and pants are written off as “combat losses” (except for jokes)! smile
    There was a legend, it seems that M. Kalashnikov mentioned that for the Afghan war they tried to create something like AC-130 from IL-76, D-30 and GSh-30-6, but the idea died before it reached the metal ...
    1. Peterhof 73
      Peterhof 73 21 November 2015 11: 59 New
      +1
      Quote: engineer74
      A good plane, but only for areas where there is no air defense from the word "general"! I sympathize with the crew, gray hair appears from such flights and pants are written off as “combat losses” (except for jokes)! smile
      There was a legend, it seems that M. Kalashnikov mentioned that for the Afghan war they tried to create something like AC-130 from IL-76, D-30 and GSh-30-6, but the idea died before it reached the metal ...

      If a similar one was created by ours, then why not on the basis of the AN-12? He seems to be closer in terms of performance characteristics to the "Hercules"? I'm not special.
      1. samoletil18
        samoletil18 21 November 2015 12: 16 New
        0
        It has not been made since 1973.
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      3. U-96
        U-96 21 November 2015 12: 26 New
        0
        Quote: Petergofsky73
        If a similar one was created by ours, then why not on the basis of the AN-12?

        not created. I wonder why ours would need an anti-partisan ersatz attack aircraft from a transporter?
        Quote: engineer74
        There was a legend, it seems that M. Kalashnikov mentioned that for the Afghan war they tried to create something like the AC-130 from IL-76, D-30 and GSh-30-6

        nothing more than a legend, I think. What's the point? An-72P, probably with the GS-23, can be called remotely similar to ganship. It seems that I heard about two cases of its practical application by border guards in the Far East.
    2. ancient
      ancient 21 November 2015 11: 59 New
      +2
      Quote: engineer74
      but only for areas where there is no air defense from the word "general"!


      It would be more correct to write that .... "all BTA aircraft and civilian vehicles are only for zones ... and hereinafter"!

      Quote: engineer74
      I sympathize with the crew, gray hair appears from such flights and pants are written off as “combat losses” (except for jokes)!


      Here the term "sympathize" in general .. not correct request , then that the "gray hair" appears .. the same .. very controversial, because the testers still fly ..... but about the pants ... did not understand? belay
    3. ancient
      ancient 21 November 2015 11: 59 New
      +2
      Quote: engineer74
      but only for areas where there is no air defense from the word "general"!


      It would be more correct to write that .... "all BTA aircraft and civilian vehicles are only for zones ... and hereinafter"!

      Quote: engineer74
      I sympathize with the crew, gray hair appears from such flights and pants are written off as “combat losses” (except for jokes)!


      Here the term "sympathize" in general .. not correct request , then that the "gray hair" appears .. the same .. very controversial, because the testers still fly ..... but about the pants ... did not understand? belay
      1. engineer74
        engineer74 21 November 2015 12: 17 New
        +2
        Hm .. Actually, EMNIP, AC-130 is classified as a ground attack aircraft or direct support aircraft, i.e. All the same, a combat aircraft.
        As for the sympathy for the crew and “trousers,” the AC-130 crew, in addition to the pilots and weapons system operators (which are the testers), includes 2-3 ordinary charging men, approximately like in a tank, and for them the whirlpool was, to put it mildly, “a surprise” "if they were of course aboard this flight! smile
        1. ancient
          ancient 21 November 2015 12: 49 New
          +1
          Quote: engineer74
          , 2-3 ordinary-loaders come in, about the same as in a tank, and for them, the whirlpool, to put it mildly, was a “surprise”, unless of course they were on board during this flight!


          I can’t say anything about this request..un objection drinks
        2. U-96
          U-96 21 November 2015 12: 59 New
          +1
          Quote: engineer74
          go 2-3 ordinary-charging

          one. At least in H and U)
          But there, without a loading crew, an impressive ...
  17. pts-m
    pts-m 21 November 2015 11: 43 New
    0
    it seems that ¶ as the Yankees think about the situation in the world, they fly ¶ any reason is turned upside down. they don’t get used to it. They will soon learn to write through their mouths and will tell the whole world that this is right.
  18. gridasov
    gridasov 21 November 2015 11: 46 New
    -1
    A completely obvious effect if the plane hit either a stream of oncoming air or with its nose touched a stream of a descending stream of air. This sharply changed the polarization at the ends of the body and a spin appeared, as a known rotation vector with an increased difference along the longitudinal vector. This also has a name in those physical effects that are in physics textbooks. Moreover, during supersonic flights, much is heard about temperature overloads, but few talk about the effects that this plane encountered. Pilots always talk about high loads on the control lever along one and always indicated wing plane. Why be surprised at all?
    1. WUA 518
      WUA 518 21 November 2015 11: 51 New
      +3
      A special commission concluded that a dangerous situation arose due to the error of the pilots, reports FlightGlobal. The aircraft developer, in turn, was recommended to implement a more effective warning system and revise the manuals.
      1. gridasov
        gridasov 21 November 2015 12: 23 New
        -2
        We, as literate people, understand that what they write about the statements of the leadership does not change things. For me personally, this is another convincing proof of the laws that are a consequence of both the causes and the place in the algorithm of process events. In such simple and public statements, statistics and experience lurk, which allows theorists to approve their ideas and theories without cost.
        1. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 21 November 2015 22: 56 New
          +5
          Quote: gridasov
          For me personally, this is another convincing proof of the laws that are a consequence of both the causes and the place in the algorithm of process events.

          And then Ostap suffered ... (c)
          Gridasov! Clever again !? You are our brainstorm!
          Did he at least understand that he was a sausage with a scientific look? Or did the pseudo-scientific glue fall under the tail again? According to the principle: the smarter and more scientific - the farther from the truth!
  19. Peterhof 73
    Peterhof 73 21 November 2015 11: 53 New
    +1
    This is a hospital shot in a plane in Afghanistan?
  20. 33 Watcher
    33 Watcher 21 November 2015 11: 54 New
    +5
    In general, the S-130, the car is reliable and proven. A sort of old horse that furrows, does not spoil. The crew probably did something, did something ... Well, well done, they leveled off, did not crash.
  21. tyras85
    tyras85 21 November 2015 11: 55 New
    +2
    Pilots who got into this situation crap to the fullest. Lose 1500m! They didn’t have time to meow.
    that the structure did not collapse, no one died. In my flight practice, there was a similar case ... Hard work of testers.
  22. jaroff
    jaroff 21 November 2015 11: 56 New
    +9
    There is nothing extraordinary here. Normal test flight. The pilots exceeded the maximum permissible overload. They brought the car into horizontal flight. The plane did not crash in flight. They sat down. The pilots did their job. There was no reason for the emergency exit of the aircraft. Further, an inspection of the airframe, leveling, analysis of materials of the airborne measurement system was performed. It is likely that there are residual deformations in the structure that are not compatible with further flight tests. A good test flight, the car is intact, the pilots are intact, there are more than enough materials for analysis. Conclusions will be drawn, the design may be strengthened, or it may be made so that it will be impossible to “drive” the production car into this mode. There is much more to go.
    1. WUA 518
      WUA 518 21 November 2015 12: 00 New
      10
      .................................................. ........................
    2. tyras85
      tyras85 21 November 2015 14: 12 New
      +1
      “Ordinary” test flights do not exist, by definition. Output to “beyond”
      3G consciously, the pilots could not. What is the proof, the loss of H from 4500 to 3000 m.
      According to my conservative estimates, they lost 1500m in 25-35sec. Moreover, Vsn. = 50-60m / s.
      And it "hurts" for a l / a of this type and purpose, no longer circled to the "mind."
      Sniper pilot.
  23. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 21 November 2015 11: 59 New
    0
    These fire support aircraft will work from what height? If the new "Willow" reaches 4.5 km. From 30 millimeters from this height you can’t work anymore. I think that if such "Fire-breathing cows" appear in tangible quantities, special MANPADS will appear specifically for them, which will knock them out with one shot, due to their slowness and low speed. Something like a "Competition", with semi-automatic guidance from the ground.
    1. Homo
      Homo 21 November 2015 12: 09 New
      +1
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      These fire support aircraft will work from what height?

      This product (as well as much more) made in the USA is designed to combat the "banana" republics. Aboriginal with karamultuki drive!
    2. tasha
      tasha 21 November 2015 12: 12 New
      0
      This aircraft is for completely different tasks, different from those in which there is a chance of a collision with Verba. And he copes with these tasks.
  24. ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 21 November 2015 12: 04 New
    +2
    Well, somehow I didn’t "get upset" ... even somewhere else on the contrary ...
    The more reliable and powerful the Russian air navigation vessels, compared to the striped, the calmer to live ...
  25. Alex1977RUS
    Alex1977RUS 21 November 2015 12: 05 New
    +2
    Quote: made13
    A strange concept - 1 MANPADS and the plane is out of order, 2 hits and that's it. Such a platform requires air superiority and the absence of anti-aircraft weapons on the ground. Given the fact that transport planes are slow-moving, it will also be possible to get into it from RPGs.

    Well, let's put all the modern ganships all the same budgetary alterations, no one was seriously engaged in designing. The transporter has a huge supply of mass, it’s necessary to reserve the main components, it’s necessary to book from the bottom side, it’s a good, correct electronic warfare system, since there are no special restrictions on the mass and kilowatts for it, the heat traps are already there, the lasers are burning out by lasers, a hypothetical air analogue of the Arena as an option in a circle - and single MANPADS are not scary.
    Rather, it’s the opposite - to lure and destroy yourself, when in response to each launch a little more than a hundred caliber gift will fly in, they want to sharply laugh from MANPADS. Well, against fighters and bombers, there are no serious chances, this is a matter of application, not survivability.
    In general, the whole question is money, as usual.
  26. Russian Uzbek
    Russian Uzbek 21 November 2015 12: 11 New
    0
    “Then it will become a powerful platform for 30- and 105-mm guns and will be stuffed with high-precision weapons and guidance systems”
    Will there be 105 mm guns on the plane? isn't that a typo?
    1. tasha
      tasha 21 November 2015 12: 20 New
      +1
      You will not believe, they will not stand, but they are already standing.
      Look for Lockheed AC-130.
  27. BaLaLaykin
    BaLaLaykin 21 November 2015 12: 13 New
    0
    Quote: ancient
    Quote: Mercenary
    But what did he lose when leveling 1,5 km in height?


    The question is different .... the plane went beyond all the standards for maximum permissible strength limits and ..... he landed good
    The plane performed a “coil” with a negative pitch angle .. so the loss is 1.5 meters .. it's .. like a "hello" wink
    On large machines (when doing the “tubs”, which you prepare in advance .. by selecting the sweep and pitch angle and angular velocity) and then .. you lose about 300 meters .. while entering the “tub” is performed from the GP mode and at high altitude). bully Well, or in climb mode bully

    I note the very good work of fuel automation (in particular pumping pumps), because not one engine did not stand up.

    Quote: Mercenary
    What would happen if the coup occurred at an altitude of 1,3 km from the earth ?? Would you go 200 meters deep?


    Do not carefully read the news, but it says that the flight was carried out according to the “LEE program” and in such cases EVERYTHING is always performed at MEDIUM and LARGE heights.

    Well, if it "went into the ground" .. then 15-20 meters, depending on the density of the soil and vertical speed ... "rash" soldier

    What do you think they wrote off for then? Or are we simply not aware of the true reasons?
  28. Alex1977RUS
    Alex1977RUS 21 November 2015 12: 16 New
    0
    Quote: Russian Uzbek
    “Then it will become a powerful platform for 30- and 105-mm guns and will be stuffed with high-precision weapons and guidance systems”
    Will there be 105 mm guns on the plane? isn't that a typo?

    She is standing now. Howitzer. Ever since the days of Vietnam they pose.
    1. Warm Padded Jacket
      Warm Padded Jacket 21 November 2015 12: 32 New
      0
      Quote: Alex1977RUS
      Quote: Russian Uzbek
      “Then it will become a powerful platform for 30- and 105-mm guns and will be stuffed with high-precision weapons and guidance systems”
      Will there be 105 mm guns on the plane? isn't that a typo?

      She is standing now. Howitzer. Ever since the days of Vietnam they pose.

      and fig it is needed there?)
      1. leyurtim
        leyurtim 21 November 2015 13: 39 New
        +1
        For the same reason that all howitzers are needed to destroy ground targets. A 105 mm tank gun is too powerful for an airplane, an old howitzer from systems with a barrel length of 33 calibers, muzzle energy is low, the projectile is not ultra-fast, but the high-explosive and fragmentation effects are quite solid. And the guns at the bottom are 20 mm gatlings, these are valuable in that they create a whole cloud of shells, compensating for the low efficiency of a single small-caliber ammunition of the ammunition with a huge number of shells produced per unit time.
    2. Dinko
      Dinko 22 November 2015 04: 57 New
      0
      No, that's all, it’s this moron commissioned by green berets.
  29. gladysheff2010
    gladysheff2010 21 November 2015 12: 27 New
    +2
    Apparently the Pentagon was calculating options for the possible use of the aircraft in future theater, which was laid down in the technical task, but something went wrong ... and for some reason it pleases me repeat !
  30. hannibal lecter
    hannibal lecter 21 November 2015 13: 23 New
    +1
    Remember, I went to fry pancakes.
  31. I'm Russian
    I'm Russian 21 November 2015 13: 31 New
    -1
    not very interesting
  32. Bort radist
    Bort radist 21 November 2015 13: 35 New
    +1
    Quote: ancient
    Quote: Bort Radist
    Interesting, promising, reliable PLANE


    Hi Boris! The feeling of "ured patriotism" is understandable, but ... if you compare the accidents and disasters on the An-12 and the Hercules, then ... the An-12 ... "far ahead of him .. very far" soldier

    Hello Alexander! Yes, I am without too much patriotism. Here's what he did over keel? Weather? Testing in complex weather would hardly be allowed. Autorotation? They did not talk about engine failure. Maybe again we decided to try larger hummingbirds? Then the autopilot probably extinguishes the return and he refused? I can’t add a photo.
    1. WUA 518
      WUA 518 21 November 2015 13: 53 New
      +8
      Quote: Bort Radist
      They did not talk about engine failure. Maybe again we decided to try larger hummingbirds?

      I welcome Boris, if you were "spinning" with the tactical crew, then that would be very sour. Unlike the flight crew, they are not fixed in any way.
      1. Bort radist
        Bort radist 21 November 2015 14: 03 New
        +1
        Quote: WUA 518
        they are not fixed in any way.

        Just thought. Surely there are some kind of "braces".
        1. WUA 518
          WUA 518 21 November 2015 14: 16 New
          +4

          The fight is apparently only a rescue parachute. If you run around with files, they will get confused.
          1. Bort radist
            Bort radist 21 November 2015 20: 34 New
            +1
            Quote: WUA 518
            The fight is apparently only a rescue parachute. If you run around with files, they will get confused.

            Maybe the shoe is somehow fixed? There were times when I had to go out into the cargo compartment during throwing. It’s hard not to walk, shake, it was like in Lenin’s work - ".. step forward, two steps back."
  33. Bort radist
    Bort radist 21 November 2015 13: 36 New
    0
    Photo with a large caliber.
    1. The comment was deleted.
    2. faridg7
      faridg7 22 November 2015 04: 59 New
      +1
      What kind of nonsense, okay, we decided to make an air version of the self-propelled guns, the dimensions and carrying capacity allow. shoved a fire control system into the plane (I’m thinking of manually pointing it in the air to no avail). and the automatic loader does not fit or what? 4 people hustle around a gun. for normal support of such rate of fire it is obviously not enough, it is necessary to keep in the area more than one such crew, a crazy idea. If you really bother with such an undertaking, then in my opinion we should already do the battery in one plane right away (what is the margin of safety in the glider should be?), and not to disgrace with manual loading in the 21st century
  34. wow
    wow 21 November 2015 14: 46 New
    0
    Actually, the idea is crazy. The time of the 1st World War. Then they also tried to install larger caliber guns on the airships. At current aircraft speeds, why not an airship !?
  35. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 21 November 2015 15: 57 New
    +1
    Quote: VOLCHONOKSURALA
    Quote: MIKHAN
    But still, you have a lesson for the future mechanic!

    Lesson.. request where?

    Quote: MIKHAN
    : If they sent me, I would understand ..)))

    They send it when there is nothing to say, but I told you that you do not need to invent it! hi

    Quote: MIKHAN
    And you don’t need to make excuses ...

    Justify what? request where?

    Well, if they answered ... So I'm right! Psychology damn it ... wassat Sincerely, excuse me for the test! hi
    1. VOLCHOXURAL
      VOLCHOXURAL 21 November 2015 16: 18 New
      0
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Well, if they answered ... So I'm right!

      belay If the animal is fluffy, then this is a gopher wassat


      Quote: MIKHAN
      Psychology damn it ...

      Eat for sure wassat laughing
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Sincerely, excuse me for the test!

      I'm wallowing ... laughing
  36. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 21 November 2015 16: 21 New
    +2
    Quote: VOLCHONOKSURALA
    Quote: MIKHAN
    Well, if they answered ... So I'm right!

    belay If the animal is fluffy, then this is a gopher wassat


    Quote: MIKHAN
    Psychology damn it ...

    Eat for sure wassat laughing
    Quote: MIKHAN
    Sincerely, excuse me for the test!

    I'm wallowing ... laughing

    Well, I understand each other, I hope ...))) Good luck! laughing
    1. VOLCHOXURAL
      VOLCHOXURAL 21 November 2015 18: 21 New
      0
      Quote: MIKHAN
      [Well, I understand each other, I hope ...))) Good luck! laughing

      And you))) hi
  37. wicked pinnochio
    wicked pinnochio 21 November 2015 18: 05 New
    0
    Our politicians are schoolchildren on cutting dough compared to amers, that's who Serdyukov needs to learn from
    1. faridg7
      faridg7 22 November 2015 05: 06 New
      +1
      Spit, because they can learn
  38. Forest
    Forest 21 November 2015 18: 08 New
    -1
    Such a machine would be useful now in Syria. If they put the 120-mmka from Nona, the GSh-6-30 from the MiG-27 to the Il-76 or An-12 - the car would be excellent.
  39. cap
    cap 21 November 2015 19: 19 New
    0
    The feint in the picture is beautiful, but painfully expensive.
    117 greens too much. laughing
    The result of the USE. laughing
  40. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 21 November 2015 19: 23 New
    0
    American engineers probably deliberately conceived such a maneuver to mislead the enemy and the enemy raised his hands in fear immediately! Aircraft upside down, a phenomenon not for the faint of heart! wassat
  41. S-cream
    S-cream 21 November 2015 19: 38 New
    +2
    Is the aircraft topped? Or, after all, pilots? And what, do their planes really have no lock-up "from a fool" when the plane simply does not allow an action to be performed for which the plane is simply not designed?
  42. Cook
    Cook 21 November 2015 21: 00 New
    +1
    They write the plane exceeded a predetermined slip angle. There is this type of test, when in a horizontal flight one or another leg is given - the rudder is deflected by a certain angle and the hinge moments are measured in the control wiring. Could easily pass the legs. The interesting thing is that it seems to have anti-sump sections in the fuel tanks, since the engines did not stand upside down, which is not quite usual on aircraft of this class. This modification of Hercules is intended for counter-guerrilla warfare, and far from the first. Ganships were created on the basis of DC-3. Look on the Internet for materials about the experience of using the South African Ganships in the jungle in Angola and Namibia. C130 is a good car, I had to work with them, so I climbed it with a knowledgeable person. Of course, there are cons as elsewhere, but there are enough pluses. The fact that, undergoing changes, the aircraft continues to be in production, already indicates that the basic design was extremely successful.
  43. mvg
    mvg 21 November 2015 21: 45 New
    +1
    Quote: Bort Radist
    Quote: WUA 518
    they are not fixed in any way.

    Just thought. Surely there are some kind of "braces".

    Braces there will no longer help, there will not be enough of a toilet at once .. But the feint with the “ears” is really beautiful ... I imagine the faces of test engineers at the airport.
  44. RUSIVAN
    RUSIVAN 21 November 2015 21: 50 New
    0
    Ukraine recently built the same “kryoplan” and these also have a shifter, all the same there is something in these countries in common ...
  45. RRR
    RRR 21 November 2015 22: 25 New
    0
    When this machine is nevertheless adopted (presumably in 2017), “it will become a powerful platform for 30- and 105-mm guns and will be stuffed with high-precision weapons and guidance systems”

    God forbid that when firing, the "Iraplan" starts jumping like the Ukrainians on the Maidan.
    Then he definitely will not go into the series. Judging by the photo above there and now the Negro weapons are loading. A steep canoe will turn out.
    They will have to fly evenly to be able to charge and shoot (and we need this so that the MANPADS operator takes aim slowly and accurately shoots)
  46. Prisoner
    Prisoner 21 November 2015 23: 19 New
    0
    It seems that a handful of ranks with hacksaw were put to this device. bully
  47. Dinko
    Dinko 22 November 2015 04: 54 New
    -2
    What's the newest one? On a transport plane S-130 Hercules, which had been equipped with various artillery guns for many years, it turned out the AS-130 where A means if the attacker doesn’t fail me and all this fuss was carried out for the troops of special operations of the United States. heavy except 100 mm guns and the other that there was added that he screwed up. laughing
  48. opus
    opus 22 November 2015 21: 27 New
    +1
    Quote: Author
    approximately 4,5 km aircraft exceeded target side angle

    I know the side angle


    and what kind of "target"?


    when sliding the plane:

    1. the lifting force of his wing decreases slightly;
    2. the lifting force of that half-wing towards which the plane glides becomes slightly more lift of the other wing;
    3.Due to the asymmetrical flow around the fuselage and other non-bearing parts, the wind coefficient resistance cx increases.
    This is how it was necessary to “slide” (“turns with a pancake”) in order to turn the plane over?