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“Russian people cannot feel happy if injustice is happening somewhere”

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General Leonid G. Ivashov - Russian military and public figure, President of the Academy of Geopolitical Problems, Professor of the Department of International Journalism at MGIMO, a member of the Writers' Union of Russia - during the conversation literally opened up the whole world: the current state of the planet became obvious.


About what lies the hidden problems of civilization, about the conflict as a global phenomenon, and between individual countries, to which, in the end, today's alignment of forces in the world arena can lead to a conversation with it.

General Leonid G. Ivashov



- Leonid Grigorievich, you are the president of the Academy of Geopolitical Problems, for many years engaged in conflictology. What is the geopolitical alignment of forces in the world today?

- The world situation today is assessed as a permanent complex conflict between ideologies, civilizations, the meanings of life, between the past and the future. When humankind had a clear goal and vision for the future, there was no conflict with the past - it was the basis for aspiration for the future. And when there is no such goal - almost all nations currently live in a state of depression, uncertainty about the future, the meaninglessness of their lives - most countries return to the past, including Russia - to the Soviet system, to the name of Stalin.

"In the world geopolitical process ethno-cultural civilizations take the first position as the highest forms of social unification of peoples"

In the world geopolitical process ethno-cultural civilizations take the first position (as the highest forms of social unification of nations). States have already been defeated by the global transcontinental oligarchic community. In response to the fact that oligarchy today rules the world (orders revolutions, wars, points out the wrong path of development, imposes consumer, anti-human standards: same-sex marriages, etc.), society in turn lives by the laws of nature and the cosmos, and therefore world civilizations take the main positions.

The main conflict today flares up between Eastern-type civilizations, including Latin America, and the West, where large-financial capital reigns. The axis of confrontation between the West and the East is being restored - civilizations, states, nations oppose transnational communities. This condition is dangerous, it leads to the outbreak of world war. The task of the Russian civilization, which unites practically 200 ethnic groups, is to regulate relations between others, even such anti-civilizations as the West.

Every world civilization, like the vegetable, animal world, has its own function. They are created and built primarily because you need a balance, a balance of power - both in nature and in society.

- What do you think, what vectors of human development exist today?

- Today, there are three vectors of development. The first is the attempt of the Anglo-Saxon elite to build a unipolar world order, the second - the oligarchs create their own monopolar world under the power of money using military, economic Anglo-Saxon power, but there is a third vector - the multipolar world. His bright expression is a group of BRICS countries. Only five states that are matrix countries are the basis of future civilizations: Brazil - Latin America, South Africa - African, China and India, respectively, Asia, and Russia is still represented by the state, but its civilizational structure is gradually being restored as Russian civilization and common fate of all nations that were part of the Russian empire, and after that in the USSR. The process that began as an economic Eurasian union will grow into a union of nations.
“Russian people cannot feel happy if injustice is happening somewhere”



- How deep is the world in a state of conflict, spiritual and moral decay? How do you see ways out of this situation?

"The world must be multipolar"

- The West-centric world order, where immoral capital dominates, has come to a dead end, development is no longer observed. Among other things, there is a conflict between man and nature. We are called upon this earth as sentient beings in order to maintain harmony, to balance relations even in the sphere of flora and fauna, to keep West and East in balance. The world must be multipolar. This thought was also confirmed by the Russian philosopher Konstantin Nikolaevich Leontyev, who said that every nation carries its own culture, that is why our multicolored and complex world is so beautiful and stable.

After the collapse of the USSR, they tried to create a unipolar world order. The Americans tried to take the lead in the world arena, but they were too lazy to work out a scientific theory. First of all, they relied on military superiority over all others (their military budget far exceeded the budgets of other countries), wanted to make everyone serve and increase profits for their business, secondly - on economic power and thirdly - on political impudence. All this is simply primitive, so no other theories of existence in the unipolar world were foreseen for other nations.

Today, the situation is changing, the exit is indicated. A “geopolitical matryoshka” appeared - the Eurasian Union is the center of Eurasia, the Shanghai organization is already a civilizational structure of the Eurasian continent - and a group of BRICS countries is a coalition that is an alternative to the West. In this world order there will be a completely different relationship. Their scientific, intellectual and spiritual communities need to create a system of interstate values, inter-civilization relations of a “non-Western” type, a security system, their own currency, an economic model that does not plunder nature.

It is no coincidence that in April 2015, a meeting of environmentalists took place - the process of understanding non-consumer nature of the relationship with nature is underway. Not only the leaders of the SCO and BRICS countries gathered in Ufa in July of this year, but also the Secretary of the Russian Security Council, Nikolai Platonovich Patrushev, met with his colleagues, which means they talked about a future security model. Sergey Naryshkin has gathered the chairmen of the parliaments of these countries - the foundations of a system that is fairer, different from the western so-called "democracy", are already being built. Trade union leaders also discussed their social issues, which is significant. As we see, the new world is gradually being built.



As for Russia itself, its actions in Syria, it entered its traditional geopolitics, the essence of which was best expressed by General Charles de Gaulle: “A Russian person cannot feel happy if injustice is happening somewhere”. And this is our task, the direction - the construction of a new fair world. Plus, we in Syria are saving Islamic civilization and helping Europe to survive.

- Today, Russia is entering the world stage. In your opinion, in what capacity is our country represented, what role does it have and what can it offer to the world?

“Civilizations in something may be similar, but embedding one into the other is impossible - the value identity of people is lost”

- Russia voluntarily left the world arena when Mr. Yeltsin in 1992 year proclaimed: "Our goal is to integrate into the western civilized community." He did not understand the world order, did not read the classics: Nikolai Danilevsky, Osvald Spengler. Samuel Phillips Huntington, in his work 1993 of the Year, “The Clash of Civilizations?” Showed that civilizations may be somewhat similar, but the incorporation of one into the other is impossible - the value identity of people is lost. We see that the Americans and the British made the Europeans different, put them on the standards of maritime civilization, imposed a matrix of their values: benefits, expansion, violence - and forced the Europeans, who still in the times of the Roman Empire sinned to work in the same direction. Please note: as soon as our country emerged as the leader of political resistance to the West, it became not subject to either Western capital or American political arrogance (when sanctions were imposed on us, and we accepted this fight), representatives of the 38 countries were at the parade on Red Square % of the population of the Earth, and in the 2010 year - only 7% are Americans, British, French and Poles. The question is: whose system of spiritual and moral values ​​will fill the space of the future world?

- Yes, I just wanted to ask you this question. In one of the speeches you said that today there are clear leaders: economic - China, political - Russia, and who, in your opinion, is spiritual?

"Russia will hardly ever be an economic leader, but necessarily spiritual and political."

- When we talk about a new world - not about Western civilizations, then, of course, there must be a political, economic and moral leader. The clear economic leader, as I said, is China. No matter how they treat our GDP, corruption, etc., Russia has begun to perform the functions of a political leader. I remember the work of the German philosopher Walter Schubart “Europe and the Soul of the East”, where he writes about whether someone likes or not, but the future of the century belongs to the Slavs, the soul of the East is Russia. According to him, the West has given a lot to humanity, but deprived of its soul, and without the soul nothing will come out. We will not be able to return the soul to the West, but those Eurasian values, which are the sum of all our peoples, are universal and acceptable both for the Indian and the Chinese, and for the European (if they, of course, want to accept them). We are unlikely to ever be an economic leader, but a spiritual and political one.



- There is a fierce information war that is growing more and more every day; spiritual decomposition occurs, as a result of which human souls perish - they depart from the commandments of the Lord, but no one counts these sacrifices. Do you think there are many spiritually living people among us?

- I will say this: a lot and every day becomes more and more. Nevertheless, it is worth noting how well the transcontinental structures for the emasculation of our souls have worked and that they have emasculated. There was denial storiesthe correctness of our historical choice; souls corrupted, above all, the material and financial dimension. In 1990-s, it was especially possible to instill in us that the main thing is that the Mercedes should be cooler than its neighbor, the house is bigger, the chains around the neck are larger, etc. The first people rushed into this were not quite healthy mind, as a rule, not having in themselves the aspirations to something beautiful, high and spiritual. If a person cannot write a book, make a scientific discovery, draw a picture, and you want to look “cool”, then in this case money replaces the rest. Unfortunately, a significant part of the young people succumbed to this trick: in their opinion, to come to life means not spiritual and intellectual wealth, but a tight wallet. To this day, this trend exists.

But, nevertheless, even in such a university as MGIMO (and I have been working with students for many years), I note that the number of young people who see their life differently is growing day by day. If we compare the era of 1990-x with today's time, it becomes obvious that in those years even we could not stop joining the Crimea and entering Syria (such things were suppressed by the liberal media, the liberal so-called intelligentsia). Today, shouts of “we want in the USSR — to feed the whole world again” are single, society is sobering. With the Middle East ISIL we will understand, but there is still a struggle with the "internal ISIL", no less dangerous. First of all, these are people living in Russia and seeing in it not their Motherland, Fatherland, but the territory that can be taken away, robbed, fired, etc. This enemy is more dangerous than the Middle East igil.

- How to deal with it?

"The main thing is to persistently change the information background in the media and social networks"

- Complex methods. You see, you can only work against the system by the system, but this powerful system that has a lot of money. But culture is first of all done by artists, writers, poets, someone in science works in an ascetic manner. I have the conviction that the common people, devotees will drag out Russia. How to fight? We are preparing for lectures, we teach, we work individually with each student, and not by tracing paper and template. The same can be said about scientists, designers and cultural figures. And the main thing is to persistently change the information background in the media and social networks.

- What do you think about the life of America? What do people breathe there, is there an ideology? And if so, which one?

"The cost of a dollar bill is 15 – 17 cents, and everything else is not even hidden, but a clear profit"

- America as a strong state created a large financial, industrial, and then the oil business. The Soviet Union played an enormous role so that American citizens in the material sense lived no worse than our collective farmer, teacher, scientist. The Soviet geopolitical project was attractive. After World War II, everyone understood who defeated Hitler, there was a high respect for free education, medicine, etc. The Americans felt the most powerful competitor and therefore decided for a long time how to deal with blacks who were held as slaves even after World War II, how to deal with such a market condition “survive as you wish.” There were many decisions, including a credit policy - the robbery of other nations with the help of the dollar. The cost price of a dollar bill is 15 – 17 cents, and everything else is not even hidden, but a clear profit. Due to this, they began to raise the average level of their citizens in order to become more interesting, to oppose the idea of ​​socialism.



Americans couldn’t honestly compete in science, education, medicine, and brought to the forefront (and then they began to impose) purely material measurements and ideology "we are Americans, the main ones in the world, therefore being an American is significant." I would not like to voice the words that Mikhail Zadornov usually applies to this people. They are not the most educated people on earth, and this is putting it mildly. I lectured at Harvard and I know that it’s better not to ask an American student at all. Representatives of Asian countries and even African ones are much more literate. When I was asked about the students, Zbigniew Brzezinski answered with anger that he hadn’t seen any more ungifted. The war in Iraq has been going on for five years now, and they cannot even find this country on the map, they even confuse Europe with Australia.

The authorities do it consciously: “take a Coca-Cola, a hamburger, so that the family does not die of hunger - that's enough,” therefore, the vast majority of citizens live for today. The elites of their states just throw me in the heat. Not the first, but the third, sixth persons, state journalists do not know who fought with whom in World War II, they can readily declare: "We, NATO, have won you." According to their logic, Russia fought with NATO. So envy the Americans absolutely nothing.

I'll tell you a little episode. During my visit to America, an acquaintance with a farmer was recorded in the program - I had to spend about a day with him. This farmer, as it turned out, fought in Vietnam. In his view, the USSR still exists. At the end of the conversation I was surprised again: I told about a friend with whom I fought, mentioning that he was from Russia. With a smile, he handed me a business card (in his understanding - my compatriot), and on it the address: Melbourne, Australia. Here is their idea.

And you involuntarily ask yourself a question: what will happen to this society if it stops living due to the colonization of others by the method of dollar, military force? Patrick Joseph Buchanan, who worked as an adviser to the three US presidents, writes that by 2015, America would fall apart into three states - African-American, Latin-American, and purely Anglo-Saxon. But let them not want anything, let them live as they know.

- Is it true that in the West, in other countries they do not like us?

- When we are told that they do not like us in the world, they are misleading. Far from it, believe me - I traveled with business trips from 69 countries. The father of the current Syrian President Hafez Asad very wisely said that the whole honest world regrets about the collapse of the USSR, especially the Arabs, and among them the Syrians most of all. They regret it because the world has ceased to be balanced, security has ceased to be built on the balance of power.

Geographical political map of Europe. 1870-s.



It is not true that they hate us. And if they are treated this way, then to individuals who come abroad, but there is no culture, no education, only money. So they violate order and tradition. Because of such people, an erroneous opinion begins to take shape. As for the Americans, they simply do not know us. They believe everything they broadcast on TV. As for the Europeans, they are dependent on Western banks and, unfortunately, have no goal. One of the modern classics said that they have the will to power, but they have no will to live. Same-sex marriages are starting to get married with animals - what can it say? The fact that their outlived, this is not a civilization, and God forbid that I was wrong. Politically and culturally, they were never united, they tried to create something close to civilization through the European Union. We can say today: they failed. Hundreds of thousands of refugees rushed there and tomorrow Europe will be smashed. And in a few years we will hear “Salyam Alaikum” instead of “Guten Tag” on European television. Afraid of this is not worth it. We lived with Islam inside the country, together we built a spiritual space. Napoleons and Hitlers came to us not from the Islamic world, but from Europe.

- Who, as they say, is our friend, and who is the enemy?

"For the West, in terms of cultural and civilization, we are enemies"

- It is necessary to enlarge the question a little - a geopolitical ally and geopolitical opponent. Even to my students, I ask the question when I read “The geopolitics of America”: what to do with the Americans? If America does not change, the world will not be balanced. There are civilizations with their own functions, and on a par with them anti-civilization, like particles and antiparticles, herbivores, beautiful animals and predators. It would seem that consumer life is not individually beneficial, but for the sake of profit they created such a miracle as a mobile phone. It turns out that in the cultural and civilizational plan we are enemies: they have unraveled the East, and we are trying to save.

In 1904, John Bartysh, speaking in Congress, said that if America has an enemy, then this is Russia. Alfred Mechen - Admiral, author of the Anaconda strategy - all the time was looking for a tactic of strangling the continent. When they figured out that Russia is the center of Eurasia, without control over which it is impossible to dream of world domination, our country became a rival, which is subject to control and further destruction. Mechen was looking for a strangulation formula for Russia. There is such a phrase in the Anaconda strategy: it is necessary to take a strip between 30 and 40 degrees of North latitude in order to squeeze the Russian people from these positions to the North, where, according to the law of nature, it will degrade and eventually die. Here are the wishes. And our fateful task is to stop all those who try to enter our land.

Temple of the Intercession on the Nerl. Photo: Edward Gordeev | egord.photosight.ru



- In your opinion, is Orthodoxy a reference point that will help us survive spiritually?

- Orthodoxy - these are great values. It is necessary to understand the essence of man, that on planet Earth he is not accidental, but was sent down with certain tasks, since nothing even in the animal and plant world just does not appear. Each entity is born because it is beneficial for maintaining harmony. So is the man. He is not descended from a monkey - this is just nonsense. He is endowed with a sense of love, an understanding of beauty, was introduced with a number of functions, one of which is the protection of nature. It is important to understand what comes first: matter or consciousness. I answer differently: the primary energy of the spirit, the energy of matter, the energy of thought, etc. It is necessary to combine scientific knowledge and spiritual in one system. Then we will understand much more than now.

- What should be the Orthodox media, in your opinion? What answers to give, how to respond to current events?

- First of all, Orthodox people should understand that they are called for goodness and justice and are endowed with values ​​that help to resist injustice, to feel it, and in essence each of us is a warrior. Even in history it was manifested. When the Union of Florence in 1439, we did not agree with the role of the popes, we began to defend the Christian truth. Then Moscow - the Third Rome: the first geopolitical doctrine appears: to preserve Orthodoxy, to protect nations, in order to balance the Catholic world, which, alas, professes other values. As you understand, the Savior did not accidentally sacrifice Himself — we must protect this truth.

"We show the world that people of different nationalities and religions can live in the framework of a common historical destiny"

Here and the Orthodox media should strictly adhere to truths. And still it is necessary to understand that Orthodoxy in Russia played the unifying role of other religions and confessions. You will not find any other country in history where one religion dominates and another is invited as a state one: in the 1788 year, Great Catherine did just that. We show the world that people of different nationalities and religions can live in the framework of a common historical destiny, share with each other, enrich each other with knowledge, cultural traditions and way of life.

Honestly, the conversation turned out so informative and interesting that I wanted to ask another series of questions, and Leonid kindly agreed to the offer to become a regular guest of our portal.

With General Leonid Grigorievich Ivashov
talked Elena Homullo

November 19 2015 years
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  1. Karasev70
    Karasev70 21 November 2015 14: 17 New
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    "A Russian person cannot feel happy if injustice is happening somewhere" ... Let's start with a salary ...
    1. cniza
      cniza 21 November 2015 14: 22 New
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      Quote: Karasev70
      "A Russian person cannot feel happy if injustice is happening somewhere" ... Let's start with a salary ...


      Not everything in life is measured by money, far from everything.
      1. War and Peace
        War and Peace 21 November 2015 14: 58 New
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        Quote: cniza
        Not everything in life is measured by money, far from everything.


        Of course not everything, but some do not know this, for example

        or here
        1. PQ-18
          PQ-18 21 November 2015 15: 21 New
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          Putin could give a wedding or Navka ... belay
          Then, the "Chinese remake" also looks good from afar!
          or banal photoshop ..
          1. 020205
            020205 21 November 2015 15: 49 New
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            Or a banal photoputin gave a banal photo clock! Where so much dough is being asked from our guarantor?
            1. War and Peace
              War and Peace 21 November 2015 16: 07 New
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              Quote: 020205
              Or a banal photoputin gave a banal photo clock! Where so much dough is being asked from our guarantor?


              and guarantors and not guarantors and approximate guarantors and not too approximate all have from the Russian people, for example


              http://bolshoyforum.com/forum/index.php?page=913
              1. 020205
                020205 21 November 2015 16: 17 New
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                And he has a taste laughing
                1. Mahmut
                  Mahmut 22 November 2015 09: 31 New
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                  "A Russian person cannot feel happy if injustice is happening somewhere." It was said DeGol

                  And here is what Primakov said: "The Americans are divided into two groups. The first one believes that has the right to interfere in the affairs of other states, and the second believes that must to do it "So in this we are alike, only our ideas about injustice are opposite.
                2. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 22 November 2015 16: 03 New
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                  Quote: 020205
                  And he has a taste

                  If he was going to lose the war to China, then yes, there is a taste.
              2. Banshee
                Banshee 21 November 2015 18: 16 New
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                Ksenia Sergeyevna Shoigu - the sister of Sergey Shoigu's wife?

                You should have watched what you post. Disgrace.
                1. War and Peace
                  War and Peace 21 November 2015 18: 29 New
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                  Quote: Banshee
                  You should have watched what you post. Disgrace.


                  follow the link, disgrace ...
                  1. free
                    free 21 November 2015 19: 58 New
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                    you ask fair questions, but what are your motives? It seems to me that you are trying to rock a common boat using the real problems of modern society, the question is why?
                    1. War and Peace
                      War and Peace 21 November 2015 20: 07 New
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                      Quote: free
                      you ask fair questions, but what are your motives? It seems to me that you are trying to rock a common boat using the real problems of modern society, the question is why?


                      do you prefer not to know the truth? let us rob quietly?
                      1. Victor-M
                        Victor-M 22 November 2015 02: 06 New
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                        Quote: War and Peace
                        do you prefer not to know the truth? let us rob quietly?

                        Why rob you, some tests have remained and they are full of bile.
                      2. Cat man null
                        Cat man null 22 November 2015 16: 13 New
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                        Quote: War and Peace
                        do you prefer not to know the truth?

                        And why did you decide that this is - is the whole truth? But not half truth, quarter truth, for example? wink

                        Quote: War and Peace
                        let us rob quietly?

                        Personally, nobody robs me. If you have problems with this, you should milesthe police ..
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        2. cniza
          cniza 21 November 2015 15: 29 New
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          You envy, but I do not. The fact that it is necessary to understand this, yes, but this has nothing to do with the topic.
          1. aksakal
            aksakal 21 November 2015 16: 14 New
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            Quote: cniza
            You envy, but I do not. The fact that we need to deal with this, yes, but this has nothing to do with the topic
            - a rogue should represent the President of a great and generally rich power? How do you imagine it? And yet - it seems that Peskov is a descendant of some influential clan, where a diplomat is a diplomat and a diplomat drives ... Usually such a clan grows overgrown with good in a couple of generations and a native of such a clan simply cannot be poor. And this is a problem not only for Russia - both in the West and in the United States there are clans, the same Kennedy or Bush. The Russian October Revolution of 1917 set one of its goals a complete change of elites, a complete replacement of clans with those "who were nothing, but muddied the revolution and expects to become everything!" And this goal, alas, failed. For the swept away elite turned out to be too many necessary professionals, without whom neither the Denikin-Kolchaks nor the Western invaders could be waged or the economy nor restored ...
            Let's get down to sinful ground. There was and will be a certain material inequality, but the boundaries of this inequality must be clearly delineated and observed. And I hope that the Kremlin will get its hands on a competent internal social policy, because otherwise all the efforts that the Kremlin is making now to save Russia and bring it to great powers - it will all be in vain and down the drain if a Russian peasant will say, "why am I suffering hardships here, contributing to the cause of great Russia? What would the Peskovs be fattening here at my expense, getting mad loot for a couple of well-formulated phrases in front of the camera? And he does not formulate phrases yet - there is ryom experts and advisers ... And that's it, and there is no Russia, so Putin will have to deal with this issue, which is what we expect after Syria or even in parallel.
            1. War and Peace
              War and Peace 21 November 2015 17: 22 New
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              Quote: aksakal
              And yet - it seems that Peskov is a descendant of some influential clan, where a diplomat drives a diplomat and a diplomat ... Usually such a clan acquires good for a couple of generations and a native of such a clan simply cannot be poor.


              "influential clan"? only the goggle-eyed clan ...
              1. aksakal
                aksakal 21 November 2015 19: 59 New
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                Quote: War and Peace
                "influential clan"? only the goggle-eyed clan ...

                - Whom do you mean by bug-eyed? I watched a ball here on the website, celebrity children were led out, there was Peskov’s daughter with grandparents, both are high-ranking diplomats, I’m not justifying Peskov, but be that as it may, with my career successes and with the career successes of my parents, and there grandmothers and grandfathers, well, he can’t be poor, whatever one may say ... There is an apartment, here in the past a high-ranking grandmother died and left an inheritance - again, an apartment, gold-bouliants, Peskov married a former multiple Olympic champion, the lady is not at all poor, participation in projects and promotions allows her to give her lover such a gift ... What do you envy? Earn and close the question ... But it’s normal to raise your children and work conscientiously - and your grandchildren will also NOT BE POOR. Although they will consider themselves poor and swear at the Berezovsky-Khodorkovsky ... I myself know that it’s easy to talk about them with sarcasm on the site, but it’s not easy to show them sarcasm in their face, because you are friends and in general ... So , the usual situation - he saved up, and his parents threw up - he bought a good apartment. Then the wife’s grandmother died, the wife’s parents re-registered them. And there the grandmother has already died a husband ... Well, what to do with so many apartments? They handed over one, sold another, bought a jeep, got tired of driving on a five-year motorway, went to wash this business, let's have a drink while swearing at our counterparts of the Khodorkovsky-Abramovich, like, robbing me, poor me! laughing laughing Mlyn, now really dig up such a spreader of "incriminating" photos about Peskov's watch or Shoigu's house - a similar situation will emerge, he is not poor at all, but whines as if he is dying of hunger! am Honestly, sometimes you think in your hearts - maybe the Americans are right when they try their best to show their success, even if things are not so? At least, looking at this is not so disgusting as it is here on the forum users and here on my friends, whom I gave as an example.
                1. TanyaKar
                  TanyaKar 21 November 2015 22: 23 New
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                  Speaking in the language of the discussion participant Aksakal, then Sergey Lavrov is a rogue in comparison with D. Peskov.
                  By the way, D. Peskov's father received an appointment and went as an emergency ambassador to Pakistan only in 2004 after his son Dmitry got to work in the Kremlin. No family unique, as you write "bruliants" could never be in the family of a Soviet diplomat. This is not the Brezhnev clan ... And yet, this is to really help you understand something: Since 2011. - 2013 PE Ambassador to the Sultanate of Oman. He passed away in 2014 in May with the rank of Ambassador Extraordinary and Plenipotentiary of the 1st class. SN Peskov did not have the rank of Ambassador Extraordinary and Plenipotentiary.
                  1. aksakal
                    aksakal 21 November 2015 23: 00 New
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                    Quote: TanyaKar
                    Never any family unique, as you write "
                    - you understand too literally about brullants, I just assumed, based on the material I saw, where Peskov's father, a diplomat, flashed that Peskov was from a prosperous Moscow family that had collected a lot of humus for posterity (I meant that by "brilliants", but there it is family good - apartments, etc.). I ARE NOT INTERESTED IN SANDS! You are interested in - read about him for health, unfold posters with him in your entire room and "read, read and read" wassat about him, at least "read it", help you fingers, just do not interfere with all of us here.
                    You have not convinced me at all with your knowledge about a character that is not interesting to me, I ask you once again to familiarize yourself with my position, ok, I will remove the word "rogue", since you are subject to proletarian rejection, that the President of a huge mighty country should be represented by a RESPECTABLE dressed and RESPECTABLE-looking gentleman , not dressed in a quilted jacket, sorry for the Ukrop analogies, in an expensive suit tailoring their good wool, with a watch of not fake gold from the PRC, etc. If you want the representative of your country to look pathetic, then you should not live in Russia, that's all! I think that Russia can afford, so that its representatives, I repeat for the especially gifted - OFFICIAL REPRESENTATIVES - would look RESPECTABLE and Dignified. And by the way, Lavrov does not look like a rogue, as you put it, he looks very respectable, he has good suits. Perhaps I am not very versed in this, but people like me are the majority, but if you are very versed in this, then why are you so versed in luxury goods, discussing this with us? Discuss who is wearing what here, where it is customary, with the same Ksyusha Sobchak - you will find a common language, and with your unnecessary knowledge in the field of biographies of people we are not interested in (it's enough for me to know that Peskov performs his direct duties quite professionally, and I That is enough.What she is there and how she wears - do not care deeply) or differences between luxury items and accessories, please do not clog the site. Here we are discussing weapons and the military-political situation and trying to suppress the howl of the envious losers, to whom you have joined.
            2. DEMENTIY
              DEMENTIY 21 November 2015 21: 06 New
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              Quote: aksakal
              - should the rogue represent the President of a great and generally rich power?


              A copy of the list of personal belongings left after the measurement of Joseph Vissarionovich:

              5 March 1953 years at 22 hours 30 minutes, I, the commandant of the Near summer cottage Orlov, senior attached Starostin, assistant Tukov, employee Butusova made an inventory of the property of Comrade Stalin I.V. as directed by Comrade Beria.

              1. Notebook for notes, in a cover from a skin of gray color;

              2. Notebook, leather, red;

              3. Personal notes, notes drawn up on separate sheets and tear-off sheets. Numbered a total of 67 sheets (sixty-seven);

              4. General notebook with notes, red cover;

              5. Smoking pipes - 5 pcs. To them: 4 boxes and specials. devices, tobacco. In Comrade Stalin’s office: books, desk accessories, souvenirs are not included in the list.

              Bedroom and wardrobe:

              6. White tunic - 2 pcs. (The star of the Hero of Socialist Labor is attached to both).

              7. The tunic is gray, semi-daily - 2 pcs .;

              8. The tunic is dark green - 2 pcs .;

              9. Pants - 10;

              10. The underwear is folded into a box under No. 2.

              In the box under No. 3 are packed: 6 tunics, 10 trousers, 4 overcoats, 4 caps. In a box under No. 1 are notepads, notebooks, personal notes. Bath and shower accessories are boxed with No. 4. Other property belonging to Comrade Stalin was not included in the inventory. A savings book was found in the bedroom, 900 rubles were recorded in it.
              The time for completing the inventory and document is 0 hours 45 minutes 6 March 1953 years.

              Present: (signature) ORLOV (signature) STAROSTIN (signature) TUKOV (signature) BUTUSOV.

              Other property meant a desktop alarm clock in the form of a fox (with a broken ear). Stalin also had a desktop figurine donated by Roosevelt.


              wink
            3. TanyaKar
              TanyaKar 21 November 2015 21: 59 New
              +3
              Answer to Aksakalu from TanyaKar.
              It is very incorrect to write "rogue", this is the first. You don't know very well what the Russian Foreign Ministry is.
              The influential Peskov clan in the Russian Foreign Ministry does not exist. Peskov is the son of not the most outstanding diplomat in the Foreign Ministry system.
              Graduated from ISAA (referent-translator, historian-orientalist). He worked at the embassy in Turkey (speaks Turkish and English). Such sons of diplomats studying at MGIMO and at ISAA are a cart and a small cart.
              His career went very fast during Yeltsin’s visit to the OSCE Summit in Istanbul in November 1999. Peskov was his translator (he worked at that time in the Russian embassy in Turkey) and Yeltsin liked it. Three days appeared along with Yeltsin in television broadcasts. In his second marriage, he was married to the daughter of a diplomat. In 2000, he was appointed head of the media relations department of the presidential administration’s press service. Thus began his career in the Kremlin. None of the diplomats ever had any special wealth. Do not make up or misinform people.
              Yes, in the days of the USSR it was a special elite of society. Salaries were very decent depending on the rank, but no one received hundreds of thousands. You are answered by a person who, in the very recent past, was directly related to the Russian Foreign Ministry. Yes, these are ambassadors and diplomats of a lower rank in Europe, representatives of the European elite and often from aristocratic families. Once a Russian ambassador told me (about 6 years ago) at a reception at his residence: “All are aristocrats here, only we and the American ambassador are from the“ simple. ”The father of this Russian ambassador was a Soviet intelligence agent and now rests with his son at the cemetery of the Donskoy Monastery. This is for you about the clans. Read more, aksakal, to discuss the topics that you undertake to discuss.
              1. aksakal
                aksakal 21 November 2015 23: 12 New
                +3
                Quote: TanyaKar
                Read more, aksakal, to discuss the cat theme. undertake to discuss.
                - My answer is above, you are interested in reading about the kitchen of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs - you also read to your health. You are interested in this layer of such people, probably what plans - well, I don’t care. I just assumed that Peskov could be from a wealthy family, because saw his father diplomat. You corrected me, thank you for that, and the rest is superfluous, you didn’t even read who the aristocrat is and who is not the aristocrat, forgive me, it’s NOT INTERESTING to, we’ll split up on that. I’ll voice my position once again - Russia, as one of the superpowers, can afford to make its OFFICIAL representatives look RESPECTABLE!
                Damn it, I work in a bank, the bank constantly demands from me that I don’t wear costumes of the PRC (and how do they see it? An X-ray in my eyes or something), why can't a much stricter DRESS code be applied to the official representative of a huge country? We’ll close this topic, leave Peskov with his chaspmi alone, this is a military-technical site. You on the issue of aristocratic or other origin to another site.
          2. 020205
            020205 21 November 2015 16: 41 New
            +2
            I don’t envy, I’m glad for him! Although he ruined the fire and attached it to the Ministry of Cho It happened, then he headed the Moscow Region, I am surprised that he moved from the Ministry of Emergencies to the Moscow Region without losing an asterisk in pursuit, he must be Colonel General! T .k in the Ministry of Emergencies, the title is not military but special, and upon transition you drop to the rank below
            1. gladcu2
              gladcu2 21 November 2015 17: 29 New
              0
              020205

              As far as I remember, firefighters received funding from the army. And since all construction on the territory of the former USSR is based on durable materials such as brick and stone. Therefore, firefighters felt quite comfortable compared to their American counterparts. Therefore, they decided to work a little harder, for example, to give them the function of rescuers during floods as well.

              Well, the stars of Shoigu ... So during the transition he received a promotion. Or is this a matter of principle for you?
              1. Zoldat_A
                Zoldat_A 21 November 2015 18: 27 New
                +5
                Quote: gladcu2
                As long as I remember firefighters received army funding. And since all construction on the territory of the former USSR is based on durable materials such as brick and stone. Therefore, firefighters felt quite comfortable compared to their American counterparts.

                Firefighters are those who burn. Firefighters are those who extinguish. Neighbors in the country taught, cottage in a departmental array - the Ministry of Internal Affairs, by the way. They were given in Soviet times. Hence the second remark - never firefighters were army men - all my life the fire department was the Ministry of Internal Affairs. Learn materiel, dear. About how firefighters in the USSR lounged - also no need to be judged by fire inspectors. In the summer in the country, every day I see through the fence men who climbed into the fire in Soviet times, and now retire. They never had a stew, they had a sweet life - they lived like everyone else. Is it that they drove for vodka in the country more often than other taxis — the Ministry of Internal Affairs crusts saved. So at our dachas to get to the store - you need to have a special talent in order to bring down someone or crush someone else's car. And then the freebie ended with the transition to the Ministry of Emergencies.
              2. free
                free 21 November 2015 20: 01 New
                0
                not firefighters, but firefighters, and not through the army, but through the Ministry of Internal Affairs.
          3. gridasov
            gridasov 21 November 2015 16: 47 New
            +2
            The topic concerns the fact that the worldview of a RUSSIAN person in its mass is very different from the worldview of a Western and, especially, an American one. Conclusion. Be a war! Sooner or later, the confrontation is gaining its critical mass and bang!
            1. gridasov
              gridasov 21 November 2015 17: 10 New
              0
              I wrote that in mass. And normal people everywhere live interspersed with others.
              1. gladcu2
                gladcu2 21 November 2015 17: 34 New
                +1
                gridasov

                There is a problem that in order to wear a watch at the cost of thirty annual salaries of a worker, there must be merit, for example. To the worker was pleased with his social status.

                If discontent arises. Either remove the watch or satisfy the worker.

                But actually. All this is not worth the talk.
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        4. padded jacket
          padded jacket 21 November 2015 17: 08 New
          +1
          Quote: War and Peace
          Of course not everything, but some do not know this, for example

          One of the explanations for this "terrible" wealth is quite logical:
          Guest of Peskov’s wedding revealed the secret of the bride’s watch for 37 million
          However, as the guest of the ceremony, Oleg Mitvol, told "MK" (read the full interview in our material), the expensive jewelry was worn especially for the audience.
          - Now everyone is discussing the watch that was on Dmitry Peskov’s hand. They say that the accessory costs a fortune. Like, the cost of hours is comparable to the price of an apartment in Moscow. Tell you the story of this watch? - shared the politician.
          - During the wedding, Peskov understood that he would be photographed, and then the cards would fly on the Internet. During the preparations for the wedding, there were also so many rumors that the guests had something to discuss and something to laugh at later. So in this case, the newlyweds decided to play a trick. Peskov borrowed some time from one of his acquaintances who were present at the celebration. I posed with them. We expected journalists to respond to this duck. And they were not mistaken
          http://www.mk.ru/social/2015/08/02/gost-svadby-peskova-raskryl-sekret-chasov-zhe

          nikha-za-37-millionov.html
          Quote: War and Peace
          Then, the "Chinese remake" also looks good from afar

          “Peskov Watch” can be bought for $ 300
          The watches of the President’s press secretary Dmitry Peskov, the estimated price of which ranges from 9 to 37 million rubles, can be bought for just $ 300. The replica price of Richard Mille Tourbillone Skull on the Chinese site Ali Express is less than 20 thousand rubles. In the description, the watch is declared as titanium with sapphire crystal and waterproof. The watch strap is made of plastic.
          There are offers on the Internet and even cheaper - 172 dollars or about 10 thousand rubles.
          http://bloknot.ru/politika/chasy-peskova-mozhno-kupit-za-300-dollarov-278133.htm

          l
          1. War and Peace
            War and Peace 21 November 2015 17: 19 New
            +2
            Quote: quilted jacket
            Peskov watches ”can be bought for $ 300


            Yes, stop driving to put Putin’s secretary on a Chinese fake? who do you take him for? for the bum? laughing
            1. padded jacket
              padded jacket 21 November 2015 17: 42 New
              -1

              Quote: war and peace
              Yes, stop driving to put Putin’s secretary on a Chinese fake? who do you take him for? for the bum?

              Well, in general, I didn’t write to you, but answered the quote
              Quote: PQ-18
              Then, the "Chinese remake" also looks good from afar!

              but apparently what is wrong copied smile
              Although I gave there above and Mitvol’s explanation of the clock is quite an everyday situation, I also did this just not with the clock.
            2. sisa29
              sisa29 21 November 2015 21: 17 New
              0
              I agree with you, so try to dodge after the case. It’s another matter that our boyars are disposed of by means of means, but the mob should think that we are all from the same pot, cabbage soup, and we’re slurping it over. Voila, the watch is Chinese, maybe it’s waving.
            3. Stanislas
              Stanislas 21 November 2015 22: 02 New
              0
              Quote: War and Peace
              who do you take him for? for the bum?
              And who do you take him for? For the mafia?
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        5. g1v2
          g1v2 21 November 2015 17: 15 New
          +3
          Damn, but I thought that at the top of the bottle in the garbage can collect, and then there’s how. A spokesman for the president of 150 of a millionth country has a more expensive watch than mine! belay And he probably also did not Lada car bully What a twist . lol And if he also took an apartment in the center of Moscow not on a mortgage, then this is a good reason to destroy our country for the third time - then we’ll live better than the Ukrainians! laughing Honestly, the number of id-tos on the Internet constantly delights me.
          1. Zoldat_A
            Zoldat_A 21 November 2015 18: 35 New
            +1
            Quote: g1v2
            Damn, but I thought that at the top of the bottle in the garbage can collect, and then there’s how. A spokesman for the president of 150 of a millionth country has a more expensive watch than mine! belay And he probably also did not Lada car bully What a twist . lol And if he also took an apartment in the center of Moscow not on a mortgage, then this is a good reason to destroy our country for the third time - then we’ll live better than the Ukrainians! laughing Honestly, the number of id-tos on the Internet constantly delights me.

            Probably, they eat there exclusively black caviar for breakfast-lunch-dinner? Even without bread. In business !!! laughing Decide - remove all caviar from the Kremlin buffet, leave only black bread with sausage for 130 rubles and tea without sugar. And distribute caviar to the people - at 0,0067 grams per person. laughing

            good
        6. Patton5
          Patton5 21 November 2015 17: 16 New
          +3
          Maybe it's all true! But what do you offer ????????? Every Down can shout a gang to get, whom do you offer in exchange!?!?!?! The power to overthrow, although difficult, is possible, then what ??????? heaven on earth? !!!!!!!!!!
          1. g1v2
            g1v2 21 November 2015 17: 47 New
            +1
            And then the country will once again fall apart, the people are impoverished so that today's standard of living will be called the golden age. And the new leadership, which at meetings called for the fight against corruption, will have 10 times more expensive watches. Especially for the alternatively gifted, there is an example of Ukraine, where good people were brought out to fight corruption and the golden loaf. The result is clear and the oligarchs have nothing to do with it. Well, now there is no Viti and he has no more gold loaf and? Ukraine bloomed? Such stories are thrown specifically for maydaunov, only ours. I will reveal a great secret, O young Padawans. The higher you climb the career ladder, the steeper your watch, salary, home and other nishtyaks. So it was always and everywhere - even in the USSR. JUST NOT AFFILIATED - CONSIDERED UNSECURABLE. But in fact, Galina Brezhnev came off no worse than some Ksyusha Sobchak.
            1. TanyaKar
              TanyaKar 21 November 2015 22: 35 New
              +1
              You write everything right. Should it take so long to discuss Peskov’s watches, there are more interesting topics.
              About young Padawans - this is very good and with great humor. Only not everyone on this forum will understand you.
              LUCIANO PADOVAN is a brand of the famous Italian shoe brand.
        7. Victor-M
          Victor-M 22 November 2015 02: 02 New
          +2
          War and Peace (7) SU

          Of course not everything, but some do not know this, for example

          Toad is strangling someone, one might think that the representatives of the authorities of other states have nothing of the kind, but oh well, figs are foreigners with them, but here are the salaries that the Communists had under the USSR, or the Gaidar and Nemtsov thieves, their Yeltsin’s coders, and what opportunities Do ordinary people have it now? Tell us better about yourself, how angry, envious loser you are.
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      3. Ribwort
        Ribwort 21 November 2015 16: 13 New
        +8
        Quote: cniza
        Not everything in life is measured by money, far from everything.

        I agree. But when you don’t have to think about money, measuring everything else is somehow more fun. Do not find? hi
        1. TanyaKar
          TanyaKar 21 November 2015 22: 40 New
          +1
          A full hungry one does not understand. (Russian fiancée)
          About WHO having everything, DOES NOT understand the needs, inconveniences and desires of another.
      4. gladcu2
        gladcu2 21 November 2015 17: 13 New
        +2
        cniza

        Philosophize well on a full stomach.
        1. EvgNik
          EvgNik 21 November 2015 17: 57 New
          +3
          Quote: gladcu2
          Philosophize well on a full stomach

          You might think that one of the site visitors is hungry to go to bed.
    2. AdekvatNICK
      AdekvatNICK 21 November 2015 14: 25 New
      0
      such comments are not popular here, but to you a plus. I thought already in VO there were no one left except sweet urapatriots. But look at the disadvantages already put cons))
      1. vorobey
        vorobey 21 November 2015 14: 36 New
        +9
        Quote: AdekvatNICK
        such comments are not popular here, but to you a plus. I thought already in VO there were no one left except sweet urapatriots. But look at the disadvantages already put cons))



        yes friends ... other values ​​are in fashion ... satisfying eat softly sleep ... laughing
        1. AdekvatNICK
          AdekvatNICK 21 November 2015 14: 41 New
          +4
          not that it’s full and full of sleep but that it’s open to say that the economy is our bottom hellish. And we don’t pretend like you that the main thing is foreign policy, but inside we really do.
          1. vorobey
            vorobey 21 November 2015 14: 49 New
            18
            Quote: AdekvatNICK
            but to speak openly about the fact that the economy is our hellish bottom


            Does someone bother you? I am? say ... nobody calls you a fifth column or a traitor .. but why do you sin that the rest are urapatriots and their opinion is nothing ... this is disrespect .. and what kind of education you speak below if the point of view reject the opponent as knowingly wrong ...
            Quote: AdekvatNICK
            . And do not pretend like you that the main thing is foreign policy, but inside we really do something like that.


            but are foreign and domestic policies not interconnected ... or are you afraid of the consequences ... it would be better to continue quietly and peacefully to the tune of the United States, if everything were normal quietly and safely .. and it will be even more difficult .. and those who are used to have satisfying food and it’s more difficult to survive and adapt softly ... mutt survivors of purebred dogs laughing because they learned how to survive ...
            1. AdekvatNICK
              AdekvatNICK 21 November 2015 14: 57 New
              +9
              interconnected. But at the moment in fact. Our economy at the bottom of the foreign policy is going well. But in fact the economy at the bottom is so that I said that foreign policy has not influenced POSITIVE at all. I'm not afraid of anything, I just state the facts. about urapatriotov, hmm well, people apparently still didn’t take life for causal places quite well. And I don’t respect them because they think about Russia even if they tell the truth personally verified they indiscriminately form the image of an ideal country. this is not so. There are still a lot of problems. And you need to talk about them. And do not hush up. Or are they all military or former military men who receive a stable pension or salary in civilian specialties in our region full of..op. Just a fact. Medicine? I talked with peasants who had already taken place at the enterprise. Nobody goes to the hospital because what happens in medicine is not describable, it’s not quite a format. There are a lot of things that I don’t want to breed demagogy. It’s just that in fact foreign policy hasn’t affected life of citizens. My friends (and from different enterprises) have a joke already. That if ours increased the intensity of strikes in Syria, then the salary will still be delayed. But this is a retreat so to speak. Nobody is discouraged everyone plows like slaves in galleys. But in fact inside the country is full of w .... look at the police) look at the judicial system. What happened to Vasilyeva, Serdyukov and what happened to the director of the restaurant Lame Horse .... you can not notice this and scream cheers and put each other pluses. And do not live but to survive further.
              1. vorobey
                vorobey 21 November 2015 15: 02 New
                +3
                Quote: AdekvatNICK
                in civilian specialties in our region a complete w..op.


                change your job ... then whine .. though there is a category of citizens who either do not know how or are afraid of anything ..
                1. AdekvatNICK
                  AdekvatNICK 21 November 2015 15: 09 New
                  +9
                  He worked for 15 years at the enterprise. It’s a pity to leave. Moreover, salaries are delayed everywhere in the whole city. But our company pays an order of magnitude more but they are also delayed. Therefore, there’s nowhere to go. Everywhere in the city, I’ve got an average salary of 30ka. Therefore, leaving is not an option. And in private organizations, there’s no such thing as seniority or pension. And we need to think about the future.
                  1. vorobey
                    vorobey 21 November 2015 15: 23 New
                    +8
                    Quote: AdekvatNICK
                    . Everywhere in the city, tag, I have an average salary of 30ka. Therefore, leaving is not an option.


                    Quote: AdekvatNICK
                    .Around the city, tag, my average salary is 30ka.


                    Yes, you master ... I envy my hard workers for 25 get now cut by five and also very healthy ... but if you take into account the fact that I bring home even less because my production eats up almost everything and I think if I'm not a fool .. .

                    just the point is from moans ... a parable about two frogs and a krynka with milk do you know? and say thank you that during the crisis they pay you even with a delay, because anyone understands that it’s easier to either close the company so as not to go into debt or reduce staff ..
                    1. AdekvatNICK
                      AdekvatNICK 21 November 2015 15: 46 New
                      +4
                      I adequately assess what is happening. But I don’t see anything shameful to say anything about it.
                  2. Lyton
                    Lyton 21 November 2015 15: 25 New
                    +3
                    Adequatnik Yes, it’s good to whine already, so millions live in our country, it was even worse with a traitor and a drunk, I don’t even say it about foreign policy, all the bastards leaked.
                    1. AdekvatNICK
                      AdekvatNICK 21 November 2015 15: 47 New
                      +4
                      I do not whine. I expressed an opinion began to ask questions I answered. What problems.
                      1. Lyton
                        Lyton 21 November 2015 16: 38 New
                        +4
                        Yes, there are no problems, I also worked for 17 years at the enterprise, and then they kicked me down, now in a private office, as you say, neither length of service nor pension will be normal, we will live.
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                  4. Ribwort
                    Ribwort 21 November 2015 16: 19 New
                    +8
                    Quote: AdekvatNICK
                    Everywhere in the city a tag average salary

                    Similarly. The average is about 20 (and this is the Moscow region, science city!) I have 40, but the position is not the latest and I work at one and a half rates. I’m practically not at home, and when I’m at home, I sleep. If someone tells me that this state of affairs is the norm ... I will send it to Malysheva! angry
                    1. AdekvatNICK
                      AdekvatNICK 21 November 2015 16: 23 New
                      0
                      read the wise men on IN for them is the norm of things.
                      1. vorobey
                        vorobey 21 November 2015 16: 48 New
                        +3
                        Quote: AdekvatNICK
                        read the wise men on IN for them is the norm of things.


                        so go on guard for a tag .. two days at home two at home .. there is a choice ... but how grandfathers raised the country from ruins? just about .. if we are our country in 91 then let’s pay silently without moaning ... you need to restore .. but you, dear friend, do something on the site during working hours? Do you work, do you double GDP? and want a good salary? wassat
                      2. AdekvatNICK
                        AdekvatNICK 21 November 2015 17: 25 New
                        +6
                        I work for 30ku. Day is a cool weekend. It’s not possible to double VVP with us. We work on request. But on weekends and holidays and night shifts, in any weather. So it's hard to blame me for doing nothing.
                        Fifteen is not a decent salary for a man
                      3. vorobey
                        vorobey 21 November 2015 17: 40 New
                        +4
                        Quote: AdekvatNICK
                        So it's hard to blame me for doing nothing.


                        I gave this phrase as an example ... it turned out that I addressed it to you ... but there is such a thing ... and you can address it to everyone and me too .. laughing
                      4. Ribwort
                        Ribwort 21 November 2015 21: 10 New
                        +1
                        Quote: AdekvatNICK
                        Day-night-loose-day off.

                        In-in, the same gimmick, but instead of a day off, another day.
                        Quote: AdekvatNICK
                        Fifteen is not a decent salary for a man

                        Absolutely nefig add!
                    2. gladcu2
                      gladcu2 21 November 2015 17: 52 New
                      +5
                      vorobey

                      Norma is an 8 hour work day. With a salary covering basic family expenses and a 20% margin for the future.

                      Decreasing set standards is the wrong government policy. Unfortunately, this does not depend on the employee, but on the state.
                    3. vorobey
                      vorobey 21 November 2015 18: 06 New
                      +5
                      Quote: gladcu2
                      With a salary covering basic family expenses and a 20% margin for the future.


                      The task ... my basic family expenses ... daily meals in a restaurant - modestly for 5000 rubles, from a car I want a modest but brutal Defender, an apartment on two levels with eight rooms ... a mistress and once a month to give gifts to her and his wife ( to lull vigilance), the question is who should I work with and what should be my salary laughing

                      second option ... I just have 4 children .. the question is the same .. It's about basic family expenses
                    4. gladcu2
                      gladcu2 21 November 2015 20: 48 New
                      +3
                      Vorobey

                      Well, there is a state ideology that assumes generally accepted standards.

                      Ideology is synonymous with morality. If the majority admits the state of things, then the norm, if not. Then social tension.

                      Well, the state gives children's capital. In some countries, you can live without working with 4 children. For example, Libya under Gaddafi. True, something did not work out.

                      It turns out that foreign policy is a priority over domestic.

                      Vorobey, we have no disagreements. In fact, we are talking about one thing. Level of justice. A responsibility. Liabilities.

                      But we all ask ourselves one question, who is to blame and what to do.
                    5. vorobey
                      vorobey 21 November 2015 21: 12 New
                      +3
                      Quote: gladcu2
                      Well, the state gives children's capital. In some countries, you can live without working with 4 children. For example, Libya under Gaddafi. True, something did not work out.


                      or someone didn’t like it - as an option ... wink

                      I don’t want to cheat, but the less the state creeps into my family and my life the better ... we got both federal and regional capital and land, and they gave us a chic plot (I hit the sky with my finger when choosing). Yes, child benefits are small but they are, there are benefits that some use and others simply do not. we don’t climb anywhere because we are tired of hearing the phrase, we did not force you to give birth (and we barely gave birth to one after a bunch of abortions and consider it a feat) morality does not begin with the state but with the people. the fact that at 90 at the bifurcation point we did not go because the path is already clear to many. but who is to blame if we ourselves wanted change. and they took advantage of it as they used the Ukrainians now ...


                      Quote: gladcu2
                      But we all ask ourselves one question, who is to blame and what to do.


                      two options ... first is the law of the pack as we live now laughing there is a leader who has the best piece, the best female and a bunch of privileges

                      the second option is God's law ... but there are also many who do not agree ... laughing
                    6. Valiich
                      Valiich 22 November 2015 15: 53 New
                      +1
                      Russia has just risen from its knees, work is not an edge, it pays children's allowances, they give land and those who are not lazy are busy with work and not blah blah in the internet. Hands are in labor, but the heart is with God! Here is a simple truth for everyone living in this world, though not yet perfect, but tryndet and discuss others, May God forgive you! Destiny loafers and enemies of Russia. Turn on the brains and take life as it is, or try to change it if you have enough strength and brains. It’s easier to change yourself and look at the world especially your world, Family Home Homeland, and there God will bring Good Kind Light and Peaceful days. Even for a good 100 years. But they will not fall down from heaven like manna from heaven, I will repeat Work and work again. Already the 3rd Millennium, and some live behind their thoughts, the 20th century. God give you understanding and calm peaceful sky on your heads!
            2. sisa29
              sisa29 21 November 2015 21: 27 New
              +2
              In vain do you compare the grandfathers of these grandfathers such as Stalin, children as ordinary soldiers fought in the WWII and died in the camps and Stalin gave all gifts to the museum. So it’s one thing the people we will be pulling again, and our governors with villas in France and children in london are another
          2. Yuyuka
            Yuyuka 21 November 2015 17: 11 New
            +4
            read the wise men on IN for them is the norm of things.

            do not enter into discussions - all the same, everyone will remain unconvinced, tea is not children already. I would just like a reasonable balance in the dialogues - without any labeling and messaging. You just do not need to close your eyes to problems and not shout that once criticism, then a traitor. In what I will support - the domestic economic policy is useless, I already wrote - why do some people call to tighten the belt, not noticing that it has already slipped on the neck, and others are additionally piercing a hole? How much can you raise utility bills? I'm not talking about myself, I work without days off, children, grandchildren. Young people are generally hopeless to support a family. Therefore, I criticize, but no one calls to "surrender", this is by the way. There should be a "golden mean" and respect for opinion, unless it is "HUGE" as Khazanov said hi
      2. gladcu2
        gladcu2 21 November 2015 17: 47 New
        0
        Adekvatnick

        When you leave your job you take away your manufacturing experience. Thus, reducing the productivity of their labor. When you take up duties in another job, you should get your new experience that is significantly different from your previous one. These are difficulties.

        But the most unpleasant thing is that you will not get the expected result. Therefore, the solution to the question can be twofold. To ask for a salary increase is to ask, and not to demand the second way. Balance the family budget according to external conditions.

        Although all this is not right.
        1. AdekvatNICK
          AdekvatNICK 21 November 2015 18: 02 New
          +2
          I have a 12-hour working day. But I don’t pay and do not ask for a raise. I’m happy with everything, I just want to not delay my salary for a month and a half. And that’s just so that the employer will fulfill his duties as I do mine.
          1. gladcu2
            gladcu2 21 November 2015 18: 56 New
            +1
            Adekvatnick

            We are again in a situation of conflict.
            On the one hand, you don’t cry, on the other hand, you don’t have the strength to endure.

            Well 12, well 14. Well 18 on Friday, before the weekend. Well, also a day off 8, a shortened day.

            It’s time already ... to think how to live on.
          2. vorobey
            vorobey 21 November 2015 19: 00 New
            +2
            Quote: AdekvatNICK
            such comments are not popular here, but to you a plus. I thought already in VO there were no one left except sweet urapatriots. But look at the disadvantages already put cons))

            Quote: AdekvatNICK
            not that it’s full and full of sleep but that it’s open to say that the economy is our bottom hellish. And we don’t pretend like you that the main thing is foreign policy, but inside we really do.

            Quote: AdekvatNICK
            I adequately assess what is happening. But I don’t see anything shameful.

            Quote: AdekvatNICK
            I work for 30ku. Day is a cool weekend. It’s not possible to double VVP with us. We work according to requests. But on weekends and holidays and night shifts, in any weather. So it's hard to blame me for doing nothing. A spot is not worthy salary for a man

            Quote: AdekvatNICK
            read the wise men on IN for them is the norm of things.

            Quote: AdekvatNICK
            I have a 12-hour working day. But I don’t pay and do not ask for a raise. I’m happy with everything, I just want to not delay my salary for a month and a half. And that’s just so that the employer will fulfill his duties as I do mine.


            but how beautiful it all began and ends in such a banal ... I'm in aha .. I’ll go lie on the couch with longing .. crying
    3. gladcu2
      gladcu2 21 November 2015 17: 40 New
      +5
      vorobey

      What does it mean to change jobs?
      Are you out of your mind?

      Change work, city, country ...

      What experiences to wash the European pensioners? With a doctor’s diploma?

      Social policy should be.
      1. vorobey
        vorobey 21 November 2015 17: 57 New
        +3
        Quote: gladcu2
        vorobey

        What does it mean to change jobs?
        Are you out of your mind?

        Change work, city, country ...

        What experiences to wash the European pensioners? With a doctor’s diploma?

        Social policy should be.


        Why are you now writing about the city and the country ... and what do you mean by social policy ... we do not have social policy with regard to pensioners, family and private business ... mercenaries from private owners also belong to this category .. the rest are Th ... there is a social policy for them and we feed them ...
        1. gladcu2
          gladcu2 21 November 2015 18: 49 New
          +3
          vorobey

          Social policy is a code and control of laws regulating relationships in society. But it also has a broader concept. As it implies, imposes conditions of behavior.

          In other words, a person is placed in a condition of behavior.

          And the last one. If a person has worked for 17 years at one factory and he does not have enough to live on according to social policy, then the decision to seek another job goes in conflict with social policy.

          So this is a government miscalculation.
          1. vorobey
            vorobey 21 November 2015 19: 32 New
            +2
            Quote: gladcu2
            vorobey

            Social policy is a code and control of laws regulating relationships in society. But it also has a broader concept. As it implies, imposes conditions of behavior.

            In other words, a person is placed in a condition of behavior.

            And the last one. If a person has worked for 17 years at one factory and he does not have enough to live on according to social policy, then the decision to seek another job goes in conflict with social policy.

            So this is a government miscalculation.


            Everything is fine .... I completely agree with you ... but the allegations that nothing is being done in this direction are lies .. Apparently, you left back then at 90 and left the sweet life we ​​came to as a result of the collapse of the country ... now, having tasted, you have something to compare with a country that has not fought with anyone for a long time and has not experienced upheavals and revolutions and, in principle, Canada suffered some kind of aggression unless someone thrust a thread from the Red Machine or from Chekhov on ice .. and we survived everything from the beginning from the end and there is something to compare then and now to break up and sell out easier than to restore, including social policy ...
          2. gladcu2
            gladcu2 21 November 2015 20: 55 New
            0
            Vorobey

            In Russia, work is underway to reduce social inequality. But in an evolutionary way. I see.

            Well, Sands with a clock. And to hell with him.

            On the other hand, an expensive watch is a status thing.
          3. vorobey
            vorobey 21 November 2015 21: 57 New
            +2
            Quote: gladcu2
            Well, Sands with a clock. And to hell with him.


            good


            Quote: gladcu2
            On the other hand, an expensive watch is a status thing.


            and to hell with them .. laughing drinks
          4. Alibekulu
            Alibekulu 22 November 2015 01: 29 New
            +2
            Quote: gladcu2
            Well, Sands with a clock. And to hell with him.
            On the other hand, an expensive watch is a status thing.
            That's right "This is ours" bully Tea is not a rogue pimps any .. wink



            On August 1 at a wedding with Olympic champion Tatyana Navka, a Kremlin official Dmitry Peskov flaunted a Richard Mille RM 52-01 watch worth 620 thousand dollars (38 million rubles). According to the declaration for last year, the official earned 9 million rubles.
            "Barack Obama wears a Jorg Gray 6500 watch for $ 259, Angela Merkel - Boccia Titanium for € 89, Francois Hollande - Swatch Quaterman for € 120
          5. Victor-M
            Victor-M 22 November 2015 02: 12 New
            -1
            Quote: Alibekulu
            "Barack Obama wears a Jorg Gray 6500 watch for $ 259, Angela Merkel - Boccia Titanium for € 89, Francois Hollande - Swatch Quaterman for € 120

            Your verbiage and the picture do not converge, at the expense of the price of Obama's watches, Mr. Troll should be more careful.
  • 33 Watcher
    33 Watcher 21 November 2015 15: 12 New
    +1
    There is a war. So far, only economic and political, and you are ready to surrender. What happens if the war goes real? Drop your weapons and make promises of dry socks and hot tea?
    That’s not a thing to complain about.
    1. AdekvatNICK
      AdekvatNICK 21 November 2015 15: 15 New
      +7
      that I am not against our foreign policy, I support. I say again. Everyone behaves as if we live in paradise and when you start telling for life or communicate not here but in real life with people, then most are not quite domestic economies. believes that talking about it is not decent. They minus cons and start a bird about the fifth column, etc.
  • Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 21 November 2015 15: 53 New
    +5
    Quote: AdekvatNICK
    There are still many problems. And they need to be talked about. And not to be silent.

    Do you feel the difference in the words "we have problems" or "we have the same problems"? request
    1. AdekvatNICK
      AdekvatNICK 21 November 2015 16: 05 New
      0
      and do you feel the difference between the comments of VO users that were before and now?
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 21 November 2015 16: 22 New
        +2
        Quote: AdekvatNICK
        and you feel the difference between the comments of VO users that were before and now

        I’ve been at VO since 2012, ALWAYS the comments were different, always some consider others to be patriots, they are called all props. I, personally, are against the extremes. Is there any success? Yes, it’s obvious. Is there a problem? The answer is also obvious. Your posts, at least today, are imbued with an all-pervading spirit.
        Quote: AdekvatNICK
        speak openly that the economy is our hellish bottom

        So the "bottom of the hell"? Difficult situation? Naturally, when fried birds pecked under sanctions, a lot had to be broken through the knee. BUT. Even Western experts predict as early as next year, at least, stabilization, and even slight economic growth. But the sanctions were not lifted, and only 1,5 years have passed, and oil is not getting more expensive. So how then is the "bottom of hell" still alive? And they mold you a minus only for such phrases:
        Quote: AdekvatNICK
        already disadvantages put cons
        Do not consider yourself smarter than others, let the people themselves think so about you. hi
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          1. Vladimirets
            Vladimirets 21 November 2015 16: 32 New
            +2
            Quote: AdekvatNICK
            shove the opinions of experts deeper.

            You need to follow the language, the language. yes
        2. Gardamir
          Gardamir 21 November 2015 21: 55 New
          +1
          I’ve been at VO since 2012, ALWAYS the comments were different, always some consider others to be patriots, they are called all props
          I do not agree. Before Krymnash, there was more constructive criticism. But after the Crimean government appeared leadership with a cunning plan ...
          Naturally, when fried birds pecked under sanctions
          And again stupidity. There were sanctions in the Soviet Union, we did not know about them. And these are proud of the clock, the sanctions, it’s not they who rob the people, it’s the sanctions that are to blame.
          1. Vladimirets
            Vladimirets 21 November 2015 23: 51 New
            +1
            Quote: Gardamir
            And again stupidity.

            Where are we to speak.
            Quote: Gardamir
            There were sanctions in the Soviet Union, we did not know about them.

            It is not a matter of whether they were or not, just a fairly sharp restructuring of the economy cannot be easy and pleasant.
      2. 020205
        020205 21 November 2015 16: 45 New
        0
        Mister ho
        Quote: aksakal
        Quote: cniza
        You envy, but I do not. The fact that we need to deal with this, yes, but this has nothing to do with the topic
        - a rogue should represent the President of a great and generally rich power? How do you imagine it? And yet - it seems that Peskov is a descendant of some influential clan, where a diplomat is a diplomat and a diplomat drives ... Usually such a clan grows overgrown with good in a couple of generations and a native of such a clan simply cannot be poor. And this is a problem not only for Russia - both in the West and in the United States there are clans, the same Kennedy or Bush. The Russian October Revolution of 1917 set one of its goals a complete change of elites, a complete replacement of clans with those "who were nothing, but muddied the revolution and expects to become everything!" And this goal, alas, failed. For the swept away elite turned out to be too many necessary professionals, without whom neither the Denikin-Kolchaks nor the Western invaders could be waged or the economy nor restored ...
        Let's get down to sinful ground. There was and will be a certain material inequality, but the boundaries of this inequality must be clearly delineated and observed. And I hope that the Kremlin will get its hands on a competent internal social policy, because otherwise all the efforts that the Kremlin is making now to save Russia and bring it to great powers - it will all be in vain and down the drain if a Russian peasant will say, "why am I suffering hardships here, contributing to the cause of great Russia? What would the Peskovs be fattening here at my expense, getting mad loot for a couple of well-formulated phrases in front of the camera? And he does not formulate phrases yet - there is ryom experts and advisers ... And that's it, and there is no Russia, so Putin will have to deal with this issue, which is what we expect after Syria or even in parallel.

        No, she should be represented by a type with gold in her arms and in a bugatti fan, so what?
        1. aksakal
          aksakal 21 November 2015 20: 14 New
          +1
          Quote: 020205
          No, she should be represented by a type with gold in her arms and in a bugatti fan, so what?
          - well, certainly not in rags and not in a quilted jacket. And not even in a suit made in China. At least in a suit tailored by an individual good tailor and from expensive fine-wool wool, in decent shoes, again, not made in China - you represent the President of a huge powerful country and you must look CORRECTLY! And by the way, such a suit is not much cheaper than this watch. And Veeron - well, it's cheap, albeit expensive, because VULGAR. This personal idea of ​​your luxury testifies to the complete absence of any taste at all, in short, advice to you from S.A. Pushkin. - "judge not higher than a boot!"
  • padded jacket
    padded jacket 21 November 2015 17: 31 New
    -2
    Quote: AdekvatNICK
    BUT at the moment in fact. Our economy at the bottom of foreign policy is going fine.

    How many "mourners" have divorced who are still whining and whining, then they have not made import substitution in one day, then planes are sold to China by "enemies", then Putin is a "bad man" Crimea and Donbass have merged that site is not the same ) then something else. It looks like the main thing for you for any reason is to pour an extra tub of dirt on Russia and bite it more painfully, that's all.
    1. AdekvatNICK
      AdekvatNICK 21 November 2015 17: 37 New
      +5
      if you read what the marshal is talking about, then you understand a lot. And as usual, you read between the lines shouting cheers to Putin and the next topic. I can project the same thing on you in your own words ....
      Recently, a lot of urapatriots have divorced who like zombies shout cheers at every price increase.
      1. padded jacket
        padded jacket 21 November 2015 17: 52 New
        -3
        Quote: AdekvatNICK
        if you had read what the marshal was talking about, then I understood a lot.

        Yes, it's not at all difficult to understand you, another "loser" who wants to blame all his troubles (which stem from inability or something else) on the "evil" Putin who "cripples" the life of such brave heroes and maybe even supermen like you lol
        1. AdekvatNICK
          AdekvatNICK 21 November 2015 17: 54 New
          +1
          I’ve never dumped anything on Putin, so you justified the balabol. In Blok. Another armored front marshal is urapatriotny who, in any discussion of affairs in the country, does not see patriotic comments, he puts on standard phrases losers and nagging.In addition, there is also a balabol.
          1. vorobey
            vorobey 21 November 2015 18: 51 New
            +2
            Quote: AdekvatNICK
            Another armored front marshal urapatriotny

            Quote: AdekvatNICK
            if you were a marshal


            I will write out the lyuley ... and you understand why ... angry
      2. padded jacket
        padded jacket 21 November 2015 17: 58 New
        -1
        Quote: AdekvatNICK
        Recently, a lot of urapatriots have divorced who like zombies shout cheers at every price increase.

        So go for example to Israel there yesterday I read the prices for something lowered lol
        There you’ll be just in your midst of blunders - patriots cheer there is no Putin and Russia can be blamed with any dictionaries so you’ll turn around there laughing
        1. padded jacket
          padded jacket 21 November 2015 18: 20 New
          0
          AdekvatNICK
          I have never dumped anything on Putin, so you justified a balabol. In Block. Another armored front marshal is urapatriotny who, in any discussion of affairs in the country, without seeing a patriotic comment, losers and whining throw standard phrases. Also, a balabol

          Poor unfortunate man who, apart from the phrases "hurray patriot" and all around the thieves, zaputintsy and balabolians, knows nothing and is ill and in powerless rage blames everyone around for his misfortune and failures. Honestly, I'm sorry for people like you.
          "Damn" again they brought me into an emergency am
  • TanyaKar
    TanyaKar 21 November 2015 23: 45 New
    0
    Dear and very nice to me Mihan-Pravdorub. Write as often and as much as possible. It is necessary to educate young people, show the real state of affairs in the country and the young people hanging out on the VO website. Yes, and on TV they say a lot of very imprudent about bureaucrats, about swindlers in power and in power, and other outrages taking place in the country ... I'm very tired of comparisons with the United States. Somehow I will write to those who advocate a "cool" life in the United States and for their moral values, cat. in fact does not exist. At one time I had to work and live in this country, hear about the life in the United States of various emigrants and so on.
    About hanging out youth - as if someone would be offended and would write something to me, I hope.
    TanyaKar.
  • yuriy55
    yuriy55 21 November 2015 15: 41 New
    +5
    ... the rest are urapatriots for you and their opinion is nothing ... this is disrespect .. and what kind of education do you speak below if the opponent’s point of view is rejected as knowingly wrong ...

    - there is no need to write down everyone else in cheering patriots, because their number is scanty, because not everyone likes to beat themselves in the chest and demonstrate their loyalty to the Fatherland. Some can no longer serve for health reasons, and someone is simply busy at work ...
    - if the opponent has his own point of view, - justify! Facts are stubborn things ...
    yes

    it would be better to continue quietly and peacefully to the tune of the United States, if only everything were normal quietly and safely ... mongrels surviving thoroughbred dogs laughing because they learned how to survive ...

    - Wolves, who in nature live free and get their own food without wagging their tail, are much more tenacious mongrels. And when they run into the village, the first thing they tear up is these mutts that run around the streets ...
    - do not go to the tune, there is a saxophone ... But in life, not everything that is striped is an American flag ...
    soldier
    1. vorobey
      vorobey 21 November 2015 16: 00 New
      +3
      Quote: yuriy55
      yuriy55


      why are you quoting part of the quotation? the meaning is changing ... or leave what you need for a comment? laughing
      1. AdekvatNICK
        AdekvatNICK 21 November 2015 16: 10 New
        -1
        this is to make patriotism look even more patriotic
    2. aksakal
      aksakal 21 November 2015 20: 36 New
      +2
      Quote: yuriy55
      wolves, who live in freedom in nature and get their own food without wagging their tail, are much more tenacious mongrels. And when they run into the village, the first thing they tear up is these mutts that run around the streets ...
      - do not go to the tune, there is a saxophone ... But in life, not everything that is striped is an American flag ...
      - good
      Sorry, but who the fuck ..., that is, the stupid people that wrote about it would be better to continue quietly and peacefully to the tune of the United States, if only everything were normal quietly and safely ... mongrels surviving thoroughbred dogs laughing because they learned how to survive? Did he even understand what he was writing about? To give themselves to power and at the mercy of the Amers in the hope that the Americans will do the same as they did with the Germans and Yaps, allowing them to develop normally? And where does such confidence come from? Or maybe the amers have other nonche habits and plans? And in general, what quiet and safe bread is worth it to constantly make it clear to you that you are a second-rate person? In a real fuck ... stupid people, that is! Get fucked up!
      But people are very ruthless in such matters. God forbid you lie under the amers for a piece of bread! Let me give you an example - we have an ethnos in Kazakhstan, we live together, but sometimes incidents do happen, sometimes we swear, why be honest, it happens ... And you know what phrase flies out in the heat of a quarrel that drives the representatives of this ethnic group to madness? "Get out of here, neither the flag, nor the Motherland, nor your land (all the lands in China), they did not want to fight or die for the land!" That's it, the opponents are blowing away, and I understand them - this is extremely offensive and insulting, what is such a piece of bread after that? And among the Russians are there that Russia wants to merge amers because of the ridiculous difficulties? fool Yes, the neighbors in the person of Ramzanov will eat you up because of contempt! Get fucked up! I wouldn’t want to read that anymore! Skulls on his shoulder straps and drive from this site !!!! That would not appear more!
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 21 November 2015 20: 41 New
        +1
        Quote: aksakal
        Sorry, but who the fuck ..., that is, an unwise person who wrote about it would be better to continue quietly and peacefully to the tune of the United States, if only everything was quiet and safe ... the mutt surviving thoroughbred dogs laughing because they learned how to survive? Did he even understand what he was writing about?

        Aksakal:
        Quote: vorobey
        but are foreign and domestic policies not interconnected ... or are you afraid of the consequences ... it would be better to continue quietly and peacefully to the tune of the United States, if everything were normal quietly and safely .. and it will be even more difficult .. and those who are used to have satisfying food and to sleep softly is harder to survive and adapt ... mutts are tenacious of purebred dogs because they learned to survive ...

        laughing What is called feel the difference with the full text.
        1. vorobey
          vorobey 21 November 2015 22: 01 New
          +3
          Quote: Vladimirets
          What is called feel the difference with the full text.


          That's what they make of us ... dolb .. that is, stupid people ... Thank you Zheka ... hi

          and I’ll also put aksakalu plus ... just for complete satisfaction ... laughing
      2. Valiich
        Valiich 22 November 2015 16: 50 New
        0
        All correctly respected Aksakal! If you betray your Homeland for a piece of grub, it will overwhelm all other mistakes and sins in the life of this worthless inhabitant of the planet. Amerikosy may take it, but they will not let it go anywhere else. This fact has been known for a long time, from ancient times, not to understand or not to remember it ... I’m actually a Soviet person, I studied history and remember, uncles who fought in the Great Patriotic War told the truth modestly and without adornment, but they had a short conversation with the traitors. Therefore, those who cherish the idea that the overseas Sam will give them a piece, let them remember and know that there are grandchildren and nephews and many different but loving their homeland, those veterans who are with this world has defended with honor and valor for us and not only. We will stand in their place if the Motherland calls! And for those who are waiting for the Americans, don’t strain and do not relax, the Wolf is not only an orderly in the forest! If the Russian person is Bear, the Kazakh Wolf, and in the USSR there are many other hunters and predators, and the oath is given once! Let the word of the USSR sound less often, but we, with a good memory and quite strong hands!
    3. Valiich
      Valiich 22 November 2015 16: 07 New
      0
      That's right Yuriy55! Patriots are and will be, Patriots with a capital letter and not those who yap for the benefit of a hazyan, as long as there is a country called the Motherland! For whom this word is not just a sound but akin to God that lives in the heart of every normal person! And the wolf will really tear, if there is a need!
  • TanyaKar
    TanyaKar 21 November 2015 23: 21 New
    +2
    For adequate: And mongrels die prematurely from hunger and cold, and sometimes they begin to gather in flocks ... And this, too, from hunger and cold. Now any sick and losing job can become an abandoned mongrel. The barefoot entrepreneurs do not really stand on ceremony with the material hired, as they themselves say ("buzzword"). Are we very quickly spiraling back to the beginning of the 20th century?
    As in the famous song: "And the fight continues again and the heart is beating in the chest" .....
    1. vorobey
      vorobey 21 November 2015 23: 40 New
      +2
      Quote: TanyaKar
      The barefoot entrepreneurs do not really stand on ceremony with the material hired, as they themselves say ("buzzword").


      and (buzzword) hired material especially ceremonies with the equipment and tools of Bose? and it is especially ceremonial that the shipment takes place in a timely manner and, accordingly, the money is returned to Bos, including for salary. 23-37 I'm still at work .. ship .. because I procrastinated Friday .. and Bos is to blame. laughing and no one wonders how it gets to me but everyone wants equality and fraternity .. wink
  • TanyaKar
    TanyaKar 21 November 2015 23: 07 New
    0
    I absolutely agree with you and fully support. Therefore, it is disgusting to read delightful speeches and defense against poison in VO. Peskov. I know firsthand how Russian diplomats live, including those of high rank.
    Not everyone working in the Kremlin can afford to live like him and his family. Yes, and God be with him. What is the use of talking about him.
    And the people in Russia really live hard. Sometimes speaking of Russians, everyone has Moscow before their eyes ....
    On large military enterprises, cat. forges and manufactures strategic weapons salaries of skilled workers - 25.000. rubles and sometimes a premium. This is normal? Maybe already raised due to inflation? It’s a pity that they don’t read VO and don’t come here, they would write to you about the standard of living of those who defend the country's defense capability. But political elite will not be ashamed. I just see pre-revolutionary Russia ...
    Bigotry and bribery blooms in full color. The gap between the middle class, the poor and the rich is huge and is strongly emphasized in the media. People may not be so envious as they are presented here at VO, but they are thinking about how to save a child for education in the current conditions. I know a lot of these.
    By the way, many pensioners go to bed half-starved. Pensions in the regions of Russia are very different ... Yeah, there are many inside. It is not enough to be proud of the foreign policy and combat readiness of the army. ✏️
    1. vorobey
      vorobey 21 November 2015 23: 55 New
      +3
      Quote: TanyaKar
      I just see pre-revolutionary Russia ... Two-kingdom and bribery are in full bloom.


      you are well preserved ... love
    2. Victor-M
      Victor-M 22 November 2015 02: 17 New
      0
      Quote: TanyaKar
      . Yeah, there’s a lot of nasty inside. It is not enough to be proud of the foreign policy and combat readiness of the army. ✏️

      Your suggestions? Let me guess Putin and the government resign?
  • kil 31
    kil 31 21 November 2015 14: 59 New
    +4
    Quote: vorobey
    Quote: AdekvatNICK
    such comments are not popular here, but to you a plus. I thought already in VO there were no one left except sweet urapatriots. But look at the disadvantages already put cons))



    yes friends ... other values ​​are in fashion ... satisfying eat softly sleep ... laughing
    Just the end of the month paid a salary. Now everyone has thoughts about the economy. laughing
  • 33 Watcher
    33 Watcher 21 November 2015 15: 04 New
    0
    Yes, unfortunately ... And also feed the alien armies and weighed obeisances to the alien flag. Such values ​​today.
    1. AdekvatNICK
      AdekvatNICK 21 November 2015 15: 15 New
      +1
      Is this what it is?
      1. 33 Watcher
        33 Watcher 21 November 2015 15: 40 New
        +1
        This is how the answers are sorted, it's about the values ​​(above).
    2. amba balamut 77
      amba balamut 77 21 November 2015 15: 25 New
      +1
      These values ​​were in Sevastopol in the year 18. And before that, the top of the empire said that domestic politics was nonsense.
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  • 79807420129
    79807420129 21 November 2015 14: 35 New
    15
    Quote: Karasev70
    "A Russian person cannot feel happy if injustice is happening somewhere" ... Let's start with a salary ...

    You can’t buy conscience and justice with money, and Leonid Grigorievich says correctly, you won’t measure the mind in your head with the thickness of a golden chain around your neck,
    1. MIKHAN
      MIKHAN 21 November 2015 14: 39 New
      +6
      My soul sings when we in Syria began to wet the devils and we have a clear policy in the world! bully And everything else is fixable ... hi
      1. yuriy55
        yuriy55 21 November 2015 15: 51 New
        +1
        My soul sings when we in Syria began to wet the devils and we have a clear policy in the world! bully


        And those who don’t sing are not here ... yes

        And everything else is fixable ... hi


        Maybe it’s time already? Start off everything else edit. what
        1. vorobey
          vorobey 21 November 2015 16: 04 New
          +2
          Quote: yuriy55
          Maybe it’s time already? Start everything else edit ...


          What will be the suggestions? belay
          1. 33 Watcher
            33 Watcher 21 November 2015 16: 13 New
            +6
            Workers-rifles, bourgeois-rope? Not? Not that? request
            Well, I'll come back later ... repeat
            laughing laughing laughing
            1. 020205
              020205 21 November 2015 16: 48 New
              0
              Years through 500
          2. Victor-M
            Victor-M 22 November 2015 02: 21 New
            +1
            Quote: vorobey
            What will be the suggestions?

            You killed him with this question. laughing
      2. 020205
        020205 21 November 2015 16: 48 New
        0
        Friend, correct my salary at the factory of 14700 rubles electrician 5 category!
        1. AdekvatNICK
          AdekvatNICK 21 November 2015 17: 44 New
          -3
          14700? we get a watchman every day after three 15shku get. And the electricians in the enterprise I have 20ku.
          1. gladcu2
            gladcu2 21 November 2015 18: 35 New
            +2
            Adekvatnick

            Maybe advice will help you. Yes, and everyone else. I am generally mainly on international politics.

            All production is balanced for the minimum income of the manufacturer. The generally accepted system of capitalism is aimed at lowering producer income through competition. On the fingers in a nutshell I can explain how, but not the point.
            When the income of the producer of goods comes into conflict with the inability to consume it. There is simply no money. The goods are in abundance, but there is no money. Money in the financial sector, which does not need goods. They are not consumers. Like the Soviet deficit, but vice versa. This situation is called the crisis of capitalism and is resolved by military conflicts. So says the story.

            Now the advice itself.

            If your company is quite wealthy. That you can ask for an increase in salary according to the requirements for the duties that you are fulfilling. There is a paradox of the situation. You have rights based on your responsibilities. But you do not have rights if there are no duties. In general, you kind of dictate your rights. What I said is not legalized by any state, but it works for a practitioner if you do not go too far.

            In human language this is called claiming your own. When the horse is working it must be fed, otherwise it will die of hunger.

            But if your company itself is in debt. Then, you know yourself. It's not about fat, I would be living. Select the last one. There are no legal ones either.

            If this and that is not legalized, then what?

            In short, I am then in your conditions. Although for now, I have enough for life. And I don’t need a watch. Yes, and we do not do weddings. We do not even legalize marriages. The mess is shorter. Most sick.
            1. vorobey
              vorobey 21 November 2015 22: 06 New
              +2
              Quote: gladcu2
              Maybe advice will help you. Yes, and everyone else.


              I read it with pleasure and took note ... thanks ... I would like to know your name ... I am Alexander, for my Sashka. drinks
        2. Victor-M
          Victor-M 22 November 2015 02: 22 New
          0
          Quote: 020205
          Friend, correct my salary at the factory of 14700 rubles electrician 5 category!

          He will correct that, as under Yeltsin, you won’t see this, Ukraine is an example.
    2. 020205
      020205 21 November 2015 16: 47 New
      0
      Something I did not see the conscientious and fair homeless
      1. gladcu2
        gladcu2 21 November 2015 19: 01 New
        +2
        020205

        I heard about one. And you can’t call a homeless person. He had a barrel. They called him Diogenes.
  • ANTI.KORR.
    ANTI.KORR. 21 November 2015 14: 40 New
    17
    I love to read Ivashov, one of the few sane people in politics.
    But at the expense of Charles de Gaulle's thesis “A Russian person cannot feel happy if injustice is happening somewhere,” I believe that first of all, justice must be achieved in one's own country and only then “feel” it all over the world.
    In general, become + and thanks to the Russian general Ivashov
    1. gladcu2
      gladcu2 21 November 2015 19: 05 New
      0
      ANTI.KORR

      Of course Ivashov, correctly speaks. Something warped me. He said states are a thing of the past. And this is right because it is supposedly evolutionary.

      I do not see any progress in this because there is nothing to replace these states yet. Who will establish and control the laws?
      1. aksakal
        aksakal 22 November 2015 09: 52 New
        +1
        Quote: gladcu2
        I do not see any progress in this because there is nothing to replace these states yet. Who will establish and control the laws?
        - Ivashov simply put forward the hypothesis that states lost to global forces, but did not collapse from losing, but began to unite in supranational associations, uniting mainly on a cultural and civilizational basis. A striking example is what Putin is trying to create in Eurasia. There is no chance for global forces to confront Russia alone; smaller states have even more so.
        Quote: gladcu2
        Who will establish and control the laws?

        -we already have supranational law-making and other bodies
        1. Valiich
          Valiich 22 November 2015 17: 09 New
          +1
          And here, I agree with you again! Step by step, without haste, but as quickly as possible, work is progressing in this direction. Yes, the first battle was lost, but not the war! But there is an understanding of how and who will and wants to change the geopolitical monopolar, annoying, if not all, then many. Uncle "Sam" will not just give up his position, only the emphasis on the rule of law on an international basis and their implementation, than the GDP and silenced many , and to others a sign to shake themselves from this Planetary Racket.
  • SibSlavRus
    SibSlavRus 21 November 2015 14: 53 New
    +8
    “Russian people cannot feel happy if injustice is happening somewhere”

    I still cannot understand how to attribute this to the Russian population and the word "somewhere".
    That is, we have complete socialism in our country, and not the capitalist neo-formation of economic slavery?
    The key word here is "UNJUSTICE"!
    This concept, for some reason, is assigned to the sphere of foreign policy, first of all, and not to domestic.
    And before pronouncing grandiloquent words, it is worth defining the phrase "social injustice in the state of the Russian Federation and its justification."

    Why are they so persistently suggesting that we are altruists of the highest stage of perfection?
    For me, history teaches us the opposite. Less humanism and generosity and more utilitarian thinking.
    1. 33 Watcher
      33 Watcher 21 November 2015 15: 15 New
      +2
      It always has been. Why be surprised? Remember the proverb about the last shirt, she is not one hundred years old.
    2. gladcu2
      gladcu2 21 November 2015 19: 17 New
      +1
      SibSlavRus

      Speak correctly. Plus set you.

      Altruism is just as evil as it makes itself moral free. Want to lose a friend, lend 100 p.

      But, unfortunately, capitalism is an international system. Because of this, Russia has some limitations in domestic politics due to external conditions.

      But, the advent of socialism can be created evolutionarily with the growth of state capitalization.

      Remember the USSR. 100% state ownership.
      In modern conditions, the state is the largest market participant.
      Pour the balance towards the state we get socialism. Towards the market, capitalism.
    3. vorobey
      vorobey 21 November 2015 22: 20 New
      +2
      Quote: SibSlavRus
      For me, history teaches us the opposite. Less humanism and generosity and more utilitarian thinking.


      Israel as a mirror of the soul .... laughing
    4. Victor-M
      Victor-M 22 November 2015 02: 30 New
      0
      Quote: SibSlavRus
      And before pronouncing grandiloquent words, it is worth defining the phrase "social injustice in the state of the Russian Federation and its justification"

      Give at least one example, where in any state of the world would be social justice? You can’t, but in Russia, the light came together in a wedge.
      1. SibSlavRus
        SibSlavRus 22 November 2015 05: 25 New
        0
        Socialism is an exclusively Russian phenomenon. And let the rest of the world live at their discretion, if they like it.

        And there are many examples in History when, after the socialist conquests in the Union (8 hours a day, social guarantees, etc.), many countries had strong communist movements suppressed by various methods. Including very tough like in the USA.
        Remember the American program in Europe "money in exchange for giving up communism" or McCarthyism?
        The ideological and propaganda struggle of the two socio-political systems ended with the collapse of the Union, but we really won the blood of socialist achievements and the state, and the West only imitated social benefits, increasing the achievements of capitalism, which he immediately abandoned and curtailed after the collapse of the USSR . Now real capitalism, in its imperialist supranational stage, rules the ball. Just eliminating objectionable countries.
  • Altona
    Altona 21 November 2015 15: 12 New
    +6
    Quote: Karasev70
    "A Russian person cannot feel happy if injustice is happening somewhere" ... Let's start with a salary ...

    ------------------------------
    Now traders have seized power and dictate their own rules, for some reason the state has withdrawn from the economy. Although I believe that in the field of socio-economic relations, the state should return, because low incomes do not stimulate demand and do not contribute to tax collection. For some reason, the Soviet government, at the very least, coped with this without any computers, the Russian state, alas and ah. But there is still the same mantra about "inviolability of the results of privatization in 1993-1997" and other nonsense.
  • BLOND
    BLOND 21 November 2015 15: 15 New
    -4
    “Tell me, American, what is the strength?” Is it in the money? So the brother says that in money. You have a lot of money, and why? .. I think that power is in the truth. Whoever has the truth is stronger. So you deceived someone, made money, and why, have you become stronger? No, I didn’t! Because there is no truth for you! And the one whom he deceived is behind him the truth. So he is stronger. Yes?!
    - Yes ... (K-f 'Brother-2' / MONEY
    1. 020205
      020205 21 November 2015 16: 53 New
      +3
      Tell my child what the strength is!
      1. BLOND
        BLOND 21 November 2015 17: 07 New
        +1
        I tell my own!
      2. vorobey
        vorobey 21 November 2015 17: 08 New
        +5
        Quote: 020205
        Tell my child what the strength is!


        why doesn’t he have a father?
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  • family tree
    family tree 21 November 2015 15: 20 New
    +6
    Quote: Karasev70
    Let's start with the salary ...

    I have enough of my thirties what
    But when you mount everything, check it, it works, and then it seems to some that it’s not there, and there is an order, to remove everything and transfer it there, acre of matyugov and a question, but where were you, corrupt girls, before? They drove the same ones, come on quicker, damn it, we plowed for 14 hours a day and all in vain. What clever man, strategic, for Russia industries, energy and zheldor, decided to corporatize, give blood and nerves, to give up to a whore?
    1. yuriy55
      yuriy55 21 November 2015 16: 00 New
      +2
      Here many all sorts of different economists "abused" our industries, only "abused" blunted. Because, as no one conquers a man-worker ... But whores who crawl under anyone, just to grab more in their pocket, it's time to "put on the rule", to introduce them to the life that these mediocrities have prepared for us ...
      negative
    2. AdekvatNICK
      AdekvatNICK 21 November 2015 18: 06 New
      0
      I would have had enough, and if he had been detained for a month and a half? laughing
    3. sherp2015
      sherp2015 21 November 2015 20: 19 New
      0
      Quote: perepilka
      What clever man, strategic, for Russia industries, energy and zheldor, decided to corporatize, give blood and nerves, to give up to a whore?


      It's only the beginning! Remember, the land and the remaining non-privatized capacities will be sold
  • anfil
    anfil 21 November 2015 18: 29 New
    +1
    "Happiness for the Russian people is to feel part of the great Unity and to participate in the creation of a just world order on Earth", -
    Benjamin Franklin, American Enlightener, statesman
  • larand
    larand 22 November 2015 06: 47 New
    0
    Quote: Karasev70
    "A Russian person cannot feel happy if injustice is happening somewhere" ... Let's start with a salary ...


    To begin with, the Russian man is no longer an example of justice. The capitalist system of the Russian Federation made him be energetic, ruthless, prudent and rude. What justice is there?
  • Reserve officer
    Reserve officer 21 November 2015 14: 20 New
    15
    This is not the first time I've been reading an interview with General Ivashov. And every time I want to just firmly like a man to shake his hand. My deep respect, Leonid Grigoryevich.
    1. MIKHAN
      MIKHAN 21 November 2015 14: 49 New
      +9
      Quote: Stock Officer
      This is not the first time I've been reading an interview with General Ivashov. And every time I want to just firmly like a man to shake his hand. My deep respect, Leonid Grigoryevich.

      I agree with you! To praise ourselves is not very .. Here Serbs ...
      1. GYGOLA
        GYGOLA 21 November 2015 21: 22 New
        +2
        It may be necessary to apologize - I apologize if that, but this -
        “Russian people cannot feel happy if injustice is happening somewhere”
        is about ME men ...
  • Barakuda
    Barakuda 21 November 2015 14: 21 New
    13
    Quote: Karasev70
    . Let's start with the salary

    And here I do not quite agree. Not because of grandmothers, our men performed miracles of military prowess. Although it would not hurt ..
    1. cniza
      cniza 21 November 2015 14: 23 New
      10
      Quote: Barracuda
      Quote: Karasev70
      . Let's start with the salary

      And here I do not quite agree. Not because of grandmothers, our men performed miracles of military prowess. Although it would not hurt ..



      "Man is not full of bread alone"
      1. afdjhbn67
        afdjhbn67 21 November 2015 16: 11 New
        +2
        Quote: cniza
        "Man is not full of bread alone"

        "Bread and circuses" - the spectacles were given a pleasure to see - do the second, bread ... otherwise the situevina might happen like ancient Rome ..
    2. amba balamut 77
      amba balamut 77 21 November 2015 15: 17 New
      +4
      It's not about military prowess, but about making the peasant not ashamed to come home to his wife and children on the day of the pay. If it’s otherwise, then this garbage gets into this man’s head. Luxury to hell, but to humiliate a man, it took place, a hundred years ago. Ivashov talks about this, a return to socialism, and spiritual roots.
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    4. 33 Watcher
      33 Watcher 21 November 2015 15: 21 New
      +4
      We are different. See how different. Someone is studying reports from the fronts, while others are economic. Someone's honor and valor is more important, and someone's bank account.
      Remember those of the 90s who, they say, would not have fought with the Germans, now they would have had Mercedes and lived like in Europe ... Remember? Now, their children want to surrender the country to external management. You see salaries ...
      1. amba balamut 77
        amba balamut 77 21 November 2015 15: 35 New
        +3
        I’ll tell you a secret in order to raise a child in the spirit of honor and valor, you must first feed him and feed him for more than one year. It's not about a bank account, but about a natural process, it’s called very natural food. And yet, those who come to the forum reports from the fronts are not on the drum. But screaming, as we all clearly will not.
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        1. 33 Watcher
          33 Watcher 21 November 2015 15: 42 New
          0
          I’ll tell you a secret. I don’t have children, so that somehow I ...
          1. SibSlavRus
            SibSlavRus 22 November 2015 05: 40 New
            +1
            Why do you equate the concepts of "bank account" and social justice (consumerism (excessive consumption) and survival under capitalism)? Stop confusing warm with soft.
            They completely forgot what class inequality and struggle are, and what it can lead to.
            A paradoxical social stratification with an unfair distribution is a cocked mechanism bombardment restrained only by the enormous punitive apparatus of the ruling regime (and many think that states).
      3. afdjhbn67
        afdjhbn67 21 November 2015 16: 03 New
        0
        Quote: Observer 33
        We are different. See how different.

        "you can be an efficient person and think about the beauty of nails" .. classic however .. laughing
  • dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 21 November 2015 14: 22 New
    +5
    A Russian man is a man historically gravitating to justice, so God is probably true for us! That is why the future of the world belongs to Russia! If Western countries do everything to move away from these values, then they will not have a future. And it seems we are beginning to observe the slow collapse of these countries.
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    1. vorobey
      vorobey 21 November 2015 14: 40 New
      +7
      Quote: AdekvatNICK
      - In your opinion, is Orthodoxy a reference point that will help us survive spiritually?

      Orthodoxy guys is a business project. (Nikonov - Opium for the People)


      that’s why the loot is the only thing in your mind ... and you measure the thickness of cutlets with justice .. laughing
      1. AdekvatNICK
        AdekvatNICK 21 November 2015 14: 43 New
        +2
        the dough is not on the mind on the mind the bottom situation in the economy.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 21 November 2015 15: 01 New
          +1
          Who has a bottom, who has a normal - it's time to laugh, we will have a market economy and crises more than once or twice, the main thing is to be ready for them.
      2. amba balamut 77
        amba balamut 77 21 November 2015 15: 44 New
        +3
        Happy, I envy you, really. And in our region, you cannot enter a single Orthodox church without dough. For when you see the face of a priest who realized that you didn’t bring a ton of money, the expression of that person is such as to give in the face or leave.
        1. zekaze1980
          zekaze1980 21 November 2015 19: 03 New
          +1
          Now 90% of the priests are commerce.
          1. Vladimirets
            Vladimirets 21 November 2015 20: 03 New
            +1
            Quote: zekaze1980
            Now 90% of the priests are commerce.

            I regret to agree with you.
            1. vorobey
              vorobey 21 November 2015 20: 47 New
              +3
              Quote: Vladimirets
              Quote: zekaze1980
              Now 90% of the priests are commerce.

              I regret to agree with you.


              Zheka wanted to slap you minus and changed his mind because the wording is correct for 90% of priests .. laughing priests are not priests ... laughing priests themselves call such priests ...
              1. Vladimirets
                Vladimirets 21 November 2015 20: 51 New
                +2
                Quote: vorobey
                Zheka wanted to slap you minus and changed his mind because the wording is correct for 90% of priests .. priests are not priests ... priests themselves call such priests ...

                This is what you took out ... what I actually mean what I had. laughing So sculpt. I have a son-in-law the new VW went to sanctify, well, fashionably type. The first questions of the priest: where did he get it? How much? What are the discounts? yes
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        3. vorobey
          vorobey 21 November 2015 20: 50 New
          +2
          Quote: amba balamut 77
          Happy, I envy you, really. And in our region, you cannot enter a single Orthodox church without dough. For when you see the face of a priest who realized that you didn’t bring a ton of money, the expression of that person is such as to give in the face or leave.



          the make-up brothers from your fairy tales are filled with tears of envy ... but why don’t you tell about the paid exit ...
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  • tasha
    tasha 21 November 2015 14: 28 New
    +3
    "These are, first of all, people who live in Russia and see in it not their Motherland, Fatherland, but a territory that can be taken away, robbed, shelled, etc. This enemy is more dangerous than the Middle East ISIS."

    There is another category of enemies, much more dangerous than ISIS and the notorious "fifth column". I drove around the city today in the right lane. I stopped in front of the pedestrian crossing to let the little man pass. And the enemy in the left lane did not stop, and almost knocked the man down. It's not about observance of traffic rules, but about respect. To the laws of their country.
    1. AdekvatNICK
      AdekvatNICK 21 November 2015 14: 31 New
      +4
      education first of all. From there comes not respect and non-compliance.
      1. tasha
        tasha 21 November 2015 15: 06 New
        +8
        Of course, I agree with you. Only education is different. Mental there, physical. And respect is one. Respect for the opinions of other people, other people's work, laws. To the enemies.

        For example, all readers of VO are at least worthy of respect. Just at least for the fact that they can read and read (have come to!!) Various clever and not very articles. But when some of them call the president of a sovereign state a macaque - is that what? Problems with parenting or respect?
  • wk
    wk 21 November 2015 14: 48 New
    -4
    ... and judging by the map, the patriot Hamullo gave Crimea to Ukraine))))
  • mikh-korsakov
    mikh-korsakov 21 November 2015 14: 49 New
    +7
    The word democracy (power of the people) - if you do not fill it with content, this does not make more sense than the word "happiness". But as the children's writer Gaidar taught us - "happiness, everyone understood differently ...". American democracy is an opportunity for the common man to sue a restaurant for $ 100000 for too hot coffee. I remember how our liberals and their henchmen from the journalistic class rolled their eyes with delight, they say, how right it is. But if this is the beauty of democracy, then it is worthless. In my opinion, this is just the chicanery of a good lawyer who is able to put into practice any, the most and .diotic decision, if only a precedent is found. In my opinion, democracy should start, no matter how wrong it may seem, not from the law, but from the concepts, concepts inherent in the people. If the people have the main concept IS THAT EVERYTHING IS HONEST, then the laws for this people should be adopted on the basis of this concept "so that no ugly kind should deceive the people." Therefore, here in Russia, liberal laws, published according to Western patterns, will never take root, no matter how much the gentlemen there and here may want. In Russia, Western-style laws can only breed corruption. Our laws must proceed from the code of honor, that is, NOT ONE PERSON, BY LAW, HAS THE RIGHT TO BE A DECEIVER AND A SCILL. In our country, however, the leadership is still huddling and embarrassed to admit that Western laws do not work in Russia. A lot of good things can be borrowed from the west, for example, cleanliness in toilets, and something else, but not laws. the essence of Western legislation. based also on their values ​​is that the rights are NOT RIGHT. but right DEFINITELY. Hence their commandments “What is not prohibited. That is allowed,” not a thief is caught. ”What follows from this? The one who has a better lawyer is right, that is, the one who is richer is right, because it is expensive to buy a good lawyer. Proof. region, fooling their heads, bought up their shares from the former collective farmers on the cheap.when they realized that they had been deceived, they went to court, but they didn’t succeed.because the bastard formally had all the papers in order. This is our justice, copied according to Western standards, that's all.
    1. yuriy55
      yuriy55 21 November 2015 16: 23 New
      0
      I myself am a supporter of lengthy explanations. This is correct when everything is arranged on shelves or chewed and put in your mouth. Only the internal Russian situation is such that for personal calm, gentleness and fluffiness of the underbelly of the leadership, it is necessary to ensure the relative satisfaction of those who live in the Moscow and St. Petersburg environs. They will cast their hats if they cast something, and they will give their voices (but no?

      Today, even in sweat, it’s broken how the Palace of Culture and Sports was rebuilt on Iturup Island ... good

      I understand you as a resident of Western Siberia. All your concern is close to me. For someone to hear fake notes in our common Russian choral singing, you just need to stop drawing these notes for everyone. Let these hoarse voices try to sweeten their ears ... How do they sing and what do we know in these songs ... yes
      1. mikh-korsakov
        mikh-korsakov 21 November 2015 17: 19 New
        0
        Thank. only I live in the vicinity of St. Petersburg.
    2. Valiich
      Valiich 22 November 2015 17: 50 New
      0
      You are right, dear mikh-korsakov! The concepts are broader than the law based on the Western model. Danila from Brother-2 clearly demonstrated this. Therefore, they do not understand us and do not want to understand and hear. The West has long been mired in its mister. I think when this issue will be raised and its solution will follow, and even more so it will not be to the taste of many people. Just give Russia time and not only, Now it is not easy. There are many questions and their solution cannot be postponed, so everything is in order. Much has changed in the world, changes are required by many legislative and executive standards. Changes will occur accurately, clearly, as quickly as possible. It is important that everyone understands that human understanding, that is, God's and legal acts, were written at different times and by different people, because for one God it reconciled everything, and the devil himself will not please the other, may the Creator forgive him. And believe me, if he cheated, then the punishment will be and let such nouveau riche know and remember, God's Judgment will be inevitable for everyone! After all, before leaving this mortal world, a person goes through a "purge" before the gates to another world!
  • berkut9737
    berkut9737 21 November 2015 15: 04 New
    -14
    We are unlikely to ever be the economic leader.

    Another pro-Western general, Ivan-Ivashov, who does not remember kinship. Everything is trying to inspire people with inferiority complexes. With such generals we would definitely surrender Russia to the Germans at 41. Ivan-Ivashov would come and say: We won’t be able to win this war.
  • tyras85
    tyras85 21 November 2015 15: 16 New
    +4
    An example to all our generals. Mind, endurance, correctness, education, logic of judgments,
    reality vision. And SUGGESTIONS! (Not statements). More such generals, Russia, wisdom and power will grow. Thank you, Uv.Leonid Grigoryevich! For many years and work, for the benefit of RUSSIA!
  • DMB3000
    DMB3000 21 November 2015 15: 39 New
    0
    Quote: war and peace
    Quote: cniza
    Not everything in life is measured by money, far from everything.


    Of course not everything, but some do not know this, for example

    or here

    jealous?
    1. yuriy55
      yuriy55 21 November 2015 16: 44 New
      +3
      jealous?


      It's always like that. As soon as they catch on the fact of having luxury or wastefulness, they immediately begin to ask: "Enviable? Insulting?"

      To you, as a lover who enjoys the brilliance of the Russian aristocracy and the poverty of the remaining 23 "non-aristocrats", directly asked questions - a direct answer:
      "AGAINST!"

      It's disgusting that people whose mission is completely different do not even understand that a government official can demonstrate in public a watch, the cost of which is such that people, with a salary of 18 rubles a month, can cause nothing but hatred or contempt , just "the height of indecency".

      BUT!!! The essence of our multi-layered life is that some "they shine with intelligence in scientific papers, public speeches ... in various forums ...
      Others "shine" with expensive trinkets, fashionable gadgets or sparkling jewelry at social events and receptions ...
      hi
      1. Victor-M
        Victor-M 22 November 2015 02: 39 New
        +1
        Quote: yuriy55
        BUT!!! The essence of our multi-structured life is such that some "shine with intelligence in scientific papers, public speeches ... in different forums ...
        Others "shine" with expensive trinkets, fashionable gadgets or sparkling jewelry at social events and receptions ...

        Something under Yeltsin did not keep watch over the splendor of expensive watches, and it was not offensive, but then look, they were offended. By the way, you don’t post photos where they shine with their minds, but strive to put the authorities in an unsightly light to expose. The goal is clear, fresh bucks started to work, which means you will soon have expensive watches, cottages and cars, but we are unlikely to find out about them. wink laughing
      2. Valiich
        Valiich 22 November 2015 19: 19 New
        0
        Dear yuriy55! That's right, be higher than this, distance yourself from such screamers and whoopers! Understand these, glory to the minority. Changes are coming, the choice with whom are you? What do you suggest to the world? What is Spirituality for you? There are enough questions for an entire era and there is no time for such a squander. Look where the once blooming Europe has come? It all started with the same trinkets and the adoption of homosexuality, etc. This is the point. So keep calm, let them be determined. In the end, man does not live by bread alone.
    2. Victor-M
      Victor-M 22 November 2015 02: 31 New
      0
      Quote: DMB3000
      jealous?

      Not that word. laughing Happy hours are not observed, but the author of the comment about Peskov’s watches is an unfortunate person. crying
  • DobryAAH
    DobryAAH 21 November 2015 15: 43 New
    0
    Song about a happy life in Ukraine
    1. kamil_tt
      kamil_tt 21 November 2015 17: 07 New
      +2
      is it even here ?!
  • 020205
    020205 21 November 2015 15: 47 New
    -6
    “Russian people cannot feel happy if injustice is happening somewhere”
    What’s called I read the headline and didn’t even read everything else, another patriotic vomit designed for people with the same substance instead of the brain!
  • berkut9737
    berkut9737 21 November 2015 15: 48 New
    +1
    Quote: DMB3000
    Quote: war and peace
    Quote: cniza
    Not everything in life is measured by money, far from everything.


    Of course not everything, but some do not know this, for example

    or here

    jealous?

    It can be an ordinary installation. In Photoshop, I can even put a Monomakh hat on Peskov’s head. In general, you cannot believe everything that lies in the network.
    1. Victor-M
      Victor-M 22 November 2015 02: 41 New
      0
      Quote: berkut9737
      It can be an ordinary installation. In Photoshop, I can even put a Monomakh hat on Peskov’s head. In general, you cannot believe everything that lies in the network.

      And why did the brain move, I saw a fact, one word is the substance, what shape you give, this will take. laughing
  • 020205
    020205 21 November 2015 15: 56 New
    -1
    Quote: berkut9737
    It can be an ordinary installation. In Photoshop, I can even put a Monomakh hat on Peskov’s head. In general, you cannot believe everything that lies in the network.

    Let's start with the fact that Putin is good and the boyars are bad! It’s customary to blame Medvedev for all internal problems, like Dima iPhone, etc., I read here comments from some who think of themselves as witty forum users! Unsubscribed even about this! Medvedev who appointed? Personally, I do not care about Syria, Ukraine and others like them, I sympathize with them, but no more, it would be better if our radiant made such efforts on domestic politics! What happened to the site? Previously, the site was normal, and now it has turned into what then gdp fan site!
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  • Signaller
    Signaller 21 November 2015 16: 17 New
    -3

    Well, something like this. can get What sida brother- ?? In truth.
  • berkut9737
    berkut9737 21 November 2015 16: 21 New
    +1
    Quote: 020205
    Quote: berkut9737
    It can be an ordinary installation. In Photoshop, I can even put a Monomakh hat on Peskov’s head. In general, you cannot believe everything that lies in the network.

    Let's start with the fact that Putin is good and the boyars are bad! It’s customary to blame Medvedev for all internal problems, like Dima iPhone, etc., I read here comments from some who think of themselves as witty forum users! Unsubscribed even about this! Medvedev who appointed? Personally, I do not care about Syria, Ukraine and others like them, I sympathize with them, but no more, it would be better if our radiant made such efforts on domestic politics! What happened to the site? Previously, the site was normal, and now it has turned into what then gdp fan site!

    You shouldn’t be so. I believe that the opinion of one person is always one-sided, and thanks to the forum we have the opportunity to look at things from different angles. As they say: one head is good, and two is better. Consider the comments of members of the forum as a view of things from different angles. And, if you add up all the opinions, for example, in this topic, then this will be true (until another post appears smile ).
  • gladysheff2010
    gladysheff2010 21 November 2015 16: 27 New
    0
    Quote: War and Peace
    of course not everything, but some do not know

    Would you like the Great Country to be governed, as before (as in the 90s) by poor deputies, weak-willed leaders and sluggish officials, in the absence of law, or envy? Think and admit, at least to yourself: what motivates you when writing a comment on an interview with all respected and honored people? Do not consider it an insult hi !
  • Mountain spacecraft
    Mountain spacecraft 21 November 2015 16: 29 New
    -1
    Oh, there are some patriots here.
  • Neophyte
    Neophyte 21 November 2015 16: 30 New
    +3
    Unfortunately, Russia cannot get rid of the western tenets of the economy.
    The Central Bank does not belong to the state, the export of capital is not limited (in 2014 - 150 billion dollars), about the revival of the manufacturing industry and agriculture, only dreams? It seems that everyone understands that the era of the 6th economic contribution has come, but in 2016 . is nothing stated in the budget? Unwittingly, you begin to remember that the USSR had fundamental industries and even, despite the continuous attacks of the West, the country was able to create something? For example, the well-known Pentium, this is the Soviet Elbrus, partially Pentkovsky took it over the hill! Apparently, then there were already sanctions from the CPSU! This can be discussed a lot, but the fact remains that there were both external and internal enemies against the USSR, which led the great country to collapse. to witness the transformation of the country into a raw material appendage for TNCs?
  • 020205
    020205 21 November 2015 16: 38 New
    +6
    Quote: berkut9737
    You shouldn’t be so. I believe that the opinion of one person is always one-sided, and thanks to the forum we have the opportunity to look at things from different angles. As they say: one head is good, and two is better. Consider the comments of members of the forum as a view of things from different angles. And, if you add up all the opinions, for example, in this topic, then this will be true (until another post appears

    It would be so, but there’s some sort of personality cult! There is only one opinion, Putin is all of us! I’m not against him and I’m not calling for revolution, but let Putin sometimes think not only about Syrians and Ukrainians with his bright head, it would be appropriate if he I thought about ordinary Russians!
    1. zekaze1980
      zekaze1980 21 November 2015 19: 17 New
      0
      You say it right, sound criticism is always better than shakkee abuse.
  • berkut9737
    berkut9737 21 November 2015 16: 50 New
    +2
    Quote: 020205
    Quote: berkut9737
    You shouldn’t be so. I believe that the opinion of one person is always one-sided, and thanks to the forum we have the opportunity to look at things from different angles. As they say: one head is good, and two is better. Consider the comments of members of the forum as a view of things from different angles. And, if you add up all the opinions, for example, in this topic, then this will be true (until another post appears

    It would be so, but there’s some sort of personality cult! There is only one opinion, Putin is all of us! I’m not against him and I’m not calling for revolution, but let Putin sometimes think not only about Syrians and Ukrainians with his bright head, it would be appropriate if he I thought about ordinary Russians!

    Your opinion here is also valuable and it affects the views of the rest of the forum users. Simply, the work of your opinion on the minds of those around you is not visible. And about Putin. The church is not in logs, but in ribs.
  • kamil_tt
    kamil_tt 21 November 2015 16: 58 New
    -1
    Quote: AdekvatNICK
    such comments are not popular here, but to you a plus. I thought already in VO there were no one left except sweet urapatriots. But look at the disadvantages already put cons))

    I also thought that the site was wrong)) they will all the same run up and down, but it's nice to realize that adequate people still come here ..
  • Stinger
    Stinger 21 November 2015 17: 26 New
    0
    Philosophical questions are complex. You can argue to the point of exhaustion and everyone will be right. It always seems to the Russian man, as well as to others, that in other people's hands it is always thicker. But one thing is certain. There is no harm to Russian man from vodka. This conclusion was reached by the debaters in the Chekhov play Summer Residents. An ideal official for the Russian layman, he is a beggar, smart and fair person, constantly caring for his subordinates. Crystal clear and disinterested. And besides this, he must immediately fulfill all the wishes of the protesters, especially the capricious ladies, like cooks, so ladies, such as doggies. He is not false to build near the house of the layman, but exclusively near the house of a neighbor. He should not call anyone into the army, but protect everyone. He should not have special services but maintain perfect order. And to do everything for free, for the idea, giving a good income to the average man. And interestingly, it will still be bad. Like Assad.
    1. berkut9737
      berkut9737 21 November 2015 17: 53 New
      0
      The fruits of activity are not visible. They destroyed the army, and now they are raising it, they have destroyed the country, and now they are rebuilding, the trains have been canceled, and now they have returned, they have separated the Crimea, and now they have joined it. We will make any salary, build any mansions, buy the most expensive watches to someone who will really be engaged in business, and not masturbation.
      1. Stinger
        Stinger 21 November 2015 17: 59 New
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        "We will make any salary, we will build any mansions, we will buy the most expensive watch for someone who will really do business, not masturbation." There is no one to do it besides you. To the greatest regret. And then, where to get the towers, on the bedside table?
        1. berkut9737
          berkut9737 21 November 2015 18: 30 New
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          That's for sure. Upstairs there is not just that.
      2. DobryAAH
        DobryAAH 21 November 2015 18: 23 New
        0
        The fruits of activity are not visible. They destroyed the army, and now they are raising it, they have destroyed the country, and now they are rebuilding, the trains have been canceled, and now they have returned, they have separated the Crimea, and now they have joined it. We will make any salary, build any mansions, buy the most expensive watches to someone who will really be engaged in business, and not masturbation.

        Cancellation and restoration of electric trains is a PR-reception, which costs nothing. Let’s say I am the president, I agree with the Minister of Transport. He begins to move, it’s very expensive to fly to the North, 50% of flights must be canceled. After some time, a popular murmur begins, then I go on stage and say that the abolition is anti-people, and we can’t explain it! All points for popularity.
        Here Crimea is no longer a PR, but a matter!
        Sorry, friends, but by train, the president must quietly call the government and give the command to restore, as it was.
  • Victor1
    Victor1 21 November 2015 17: 32 New
    +6
    Against the background of the events that are taking place inside Russia, this headline causes some sadness inside. Why amid the positive aspects in foreign policy, the domestic one in full ass and enlightenment is not visible on the horizon.
    The fact that an additional tax is removed from long-range fighting will affect the price of all products and things in stores, and even more often they sing along about increasing the retirement age. The average life expectancy of the male population in the country is below 60 years, and they want to make a pension from 65.
    They hide behind foreign policy, repulsing the attention of the population from domestic, but cannot go on like this for a long time. I would not want thunder to burst inside, because in such conditions it’s easiest for our enemies to throw another Kerensky, Gorbaty and Yeltsin, and after all the people will suffer the most ..
    It’s time to put things in order in domestic politics, because we are preparing another shock for us ..
  • His
    His 21 November 2015 17: 41 New
    0
    Russians will always fight and win when they fight for the interests of Russia.
    Remember the warriors of Donbass.
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  • for_White_Only
    for_White_Only 21 November 2015 18: 04 New
    -5
    What kind of headline?)) I don’t care at all, how hard it is for the kaklams, how many blacks died of hunger today, how many smoked ones blew each other up! DO NOT FUCK !! clownery)
    1. Victor-M
      Victor-M 22 November 2015 02: 43 New
      +2
      Quote: for_White_Only
      What kind of headline?)) I don’t care at all, how hard it is for the kaklams, how many blacks died of hunger today, how many smoked ones blew each other up! FIU!! clownery)

      The stump is clear, because you're not Russian. laughing
  • Alekspel
    Alekspel 21 November 2015 18: 06 New
    +2
    I respect Leonid Grigoryevich very much, the smartest person, the last major strategist, really a true chief of the general staff (I don’t know, really, Gerasimov at all), very educated, super-intelligent, and at the same time a real military man. I have been following his articles and statements for a long time and I completely agree with him. True, he says little that Russia continues to rob Russia of our internal thieves. The fact that the difference in income of some Sechin and a simple resident of the hinterland of the country is simply not comparable, they live in different worlds. And we are being called for unity. How can a pensioner, barely surviving on his retirement, like many hundreds of thousands of other residents of our country, rally with Miller, whose daily official income is $ 1000000 and is officially announced? We live not only in different countries, on different planets! I'm not saying that I should get as much as Miller, but my pension and salary should be tied to paying top managers through taxes. And then with 10000 rubles. and with $ 1000000, we pay the same 13% tax. And whether they pay at all is a big question. Therefore, one should probably take care not only of Syrians and Ukrainian refugees, but also ordinary citizens of their country. If this does not happen, then I am afraid that Syria may arise already with us. And the Russian rebellion, as you know ... I really would not want another unrest, I want to live up to my great-grandchildren.
  • vezunchik
    vezunchik 21 November 2015 18: 09 New
    +2
    Dad, tell me about Maidan,
    What did you fight there for?
    For that, son, to rule us
    Not a former prisoner and urkagan,
    So we threw it off!
    And after whom brought?
    After Poroshenko, as a stupid person
    I completely ruined the country!
    Come on, trifle, shut your mouth,
    Normal Poroshenko, his!
    He economics pro.sral ...
    You're just stupid and still small
    understand such things! ..
    Dad, and you went to fight
    What for?
    Why do you need Donbass?
    And not h.u. decide everything without us!
    Look, they held a referendum!
    Ukrainian they land
    They wanted to take away ...
    And they took away ...- Your mother!
    Of course, Putin helped them!
    And now I am lying without legs ...
    But Putin did not send troops ...
    Do you know what for sure ?!
    -Do you know how they fought?
    Like animals, they don't care about life
    What is mine, what is mine!
    It even happened that in battle
    I wanted to change my pants ...
    Who knows how to fight?
    The miners were, pa,
    You bombed them at home
    You woke up
    Beast in them
    Good afternoon yesterday, crazy ...
    And Putin climbed into the Crimea, u.r.od
    But in the Crimea, the People decided !!!
    I shed my blood for that
    So you minor d ebil
    I would live in Europe, but not here ...
    And now they are waiting for me there?
    But in Russia right now fascism!
    Well, that, dad, idiocy.
    We have fascism, open your eyes,
    Bandera, like, our hero?
    Well, go to Russia, die !!
    In Ukraine, then Paradise
    In short!
    Putin is to blame
    What cities are on fire now!
    But you arranged the Maidan ...
    Son, I’ll give you ...
    The separatist, B.L. .., nurtured.
    Yes, dad, you're a complete stupid man ...
    1. Was mammoth
      Was mammoth 21 November 2015 22: 46 New
      +1
      Conversation with son
      Alexander Kotelnikov
      S. Mikhalkov.

      Children's writer Sergei Vladimirovich Mikhalkov, wrote a wonderful poem, "Conversation with his son." Where the father addresses his son with advice and punishment. How our country has changed after the Great October Socialist Revolution.


      ... you look around.
      All this is ours, this is ours:
      Both mountains and meadows ...
      For hundreds of miles - forests, fields,
      And everything is a people's land
      Wherever you step your foot!
      Gardens bloom not for gentlemen -
      They bloom for us!
      And the count doesn’t live in the palace,
      And schoolchildren live.
      And grain runs from the bags
      Not in the bins of the merchant.
      And Dneproges belongs
      Not to a private person.

      We sow bread, forge armor,
      We get coal in the mines,
      We carry gas in the houses,
      And this coal, this rye,
      And the gas, and the house where you live,
      And everything around is for us!

      Everything the factory does
      All that the factory gives
      Than the homeland is proud
      Why are we strong in fear of enemies
      All this is ours, this is us
      Forever! Forever!..

      Live, study * be proud, my son,
      That you are a Soviet citizen
      And in life choosing a path,
      Everywhere: in battles and in labor,
      Always: in happiness and in trouble,
      Be faithful to your homeland!

      Do not forget that you were born
      Young comrade
      In the shadow of Lenin’s banners
      Under the red star.
      Our party leads us
      And the people are one with her,
      Soviet motherland people -
      The mighty giant.


      And how our country has changed since 1990.


      ... You look now around.
      All this is not ours, this is not for us:
      Both mountains and meadows ...
      For hundreds of miles - forests, fields,
      it is not a people's land
      Wherever you step our foot ... now it’s the master’s.
      Gardens are blooming for gentlemen -
      And the bourgeois lives in the palaces
      And the schoolboy ... the worker - you will not see him here ...
      he lives a long time in the yard and he has nothing to eat here.
      And grain runs from the bags
      Already in the bins to the merchant.
      And Dneproges belongs
      twenty years already; as - to a private person.
      Ordinary people only sow bread,
      still forges armor,
      And in the mines coal is getting,
      In the houses of the bourgeoisie conducts gas,
      And this coal, this rye,
      And the gas and the house, -
      In which - bourgeois now lives
      And everyone works for them and only them.
      After all, everything was taken from the people
      But now they gave him freedom ...
      Live in a landfill - smile
      Enjoy the garbage and stink.
      And what the factory does,
      All that the factory gives
      What the Motherland was proud of
      The people do not belong here ...
      And to the new Russians - he runs into his pocket
      And how to study here without money
      And what can people be proud of?
      What ruined the great country
      People lowered into poverty ...
  • cap
    cap 21 November 2015 18: 13 New
    0
    Ivashov and Ulyukaev in V. Solovyov's program "Towards the Barrier".
    I would watch with pleasure. laughing
    1. Anchonsha
      Anchonsha 21 November 2015 19: 55 New
      +1
      What do you want to hear from them? They will not be able to talk, since the economist and the military can only talk about providing the army. But listening to Ivashov and the Pentagon Bishop would be really interesting.
  • Anchonsha
    Anchonsha 21 November 2015 19: 50 New
    0
    Yes, so it is, justice moves Russians everywhere, for which we often get.
    1. Valiich
      Valiich 21 November 2015 22: 10 New
      0
      Know Fate is such! There is no one else to tell the uterus the truth and do what you say!
  • Valiich
    Valiich 21 November 2015 20: 03 New
    +1
    Great article. The general is right, about spirituality and about the role of Russia in this world, absolutely tocotno. There is something to think about. And it becomes calmer in the soul that not everyone has turned into clothes and grumpiness, and are shaking "wither over gold", and for the most part a stranger. House Family Country Earth in the end, these are the true values ​​in Life. Russia, not in vain in the center of Eurasia, it is called by God the Creator, in the name of maintaining the World balance and not only. After all, if you take a serious scale, in this World everything is interconnected and one bolt that has fallen out can turn, if not all, then a lot. And the idea of ​​the USSR, but in a completely new version, is quite possible. You always have to work on yourself and work for the soul. And if the work is to Protect the Motherland, then do the same with love and knowledge the fact that this must be done competently, clearly. Since ancient times, a warrior has been revered by all peoples. Moral is above material. This is in Orthodoxy and Islam and in other world religions. The very name Orthodoxy speaks for itself. The creator is on the side of Russia, the main thing is that peopleunderstood their right to live in Peace, in Good and with Love.
  • bubla5
    bubla5 21 November 2015 20: 20 New
    0
    We will deal with the Middle East ISIS, but there is still a struggle with the “internal ISIS,” which is no less dangerous.

    Golden words, damn it, if they came out of the mouth of the leader of the country, he wouldn’t have a price! And the internal isil are thieves officials and see the picture above
    1. Valiich
      Valiich 21 November 2015 22: 07 New
      0
      I think so !!! The main thing to remember is that Life is one Motherland alone and swear It once too!
  • Aryan
    Aryan 22 November 2015 00: 06 New
    +2
    I am Russian, and it’s unbearably hard for me to see how they are trying to destroy Russia and the Orthodox Church
    and it’s not possible to amuse yourself with the illusions that this will all calm down by itself or pass by itself
    because I deeply inside myself unconsciously know that these are the only values
    without which I myself will be destroyed both on Earth and in Heaven
  • Truth-lovers
    Truth-lovers 22 November 2015 00: 36 New
    -1
    And all the lackeys wailed that the king was good, only the boyars were bad ... How sad, repeatable and predictable. And in every era so ...

    Neither the state nor the Church will be normal if they do not consider the well-being of their citizens as the main goal. In the meantime, those who hold only their prosperity consider power to be the main goal ...
  • reff
    reff 22 November 2015 00: 58 New
    -2
    "A Russian person cannot feel happy if injustice is happening somewhere" - damn it ... another troll from the St. Petersburg or other troll factory is the next x..ny city, tired of it already ...
  • reff
    reff 22 November 2015 01: 25 New
    -2
    where you don’t put your stinky snout, everywhere there are rivers of blood, death and trouble
    1. vorobey
      vorobey 22 November 2015 01: 50 New
      +2
      Quote: reff
      where you don’t put your stinky snout, everywhere there are rivers of blood, death and trouble


      A very true remark is now IG soak ... scatter !!!!! ..
      1. vorobey
        vorobey 22 November 2015 02: 11 New
        +2
        I am amazed ... waiting for heroes and multiplying at birth ..

        Well, work on your IQ, develop imagination, more creativity ... boring with you ...
    2. Victor-M
      Victor-M 22 November 2015 02: 46 New
      -1
      Quote: reff
      where you don’t put your stinky snout, everywhere there are rivers of blood, death and trouble

      For you, please always wash your face. laughing
  • cap
    cap 22 November 2015 02: 22 New
    +1
    Quote: reff
    reff US Today, 00:58 New

    "A Russian person cannot feel happy if injustice is happening somewhere" - damn it ... another troll from the St. Petersburg or other troll factory is the next x..ny city, tired of it already ...

    About what St. Petersburg Russian writes, no one will say better.
    It can be seen from the fact that the author is plus. Ivashov is known and respected.
    His opinion is considered.
    For your reference.
    At the entrance to the mosque, shoes are removed. hi
    1. gerrt
      gerrt 22 November 2015 22: 24 New
      0
      the fact of the matter is that this is a corrupt Russian, scribbling-troll posts for money ... there are a lot of such
  • VNE
    VNE 22 November 2015 08: 07 New
    -1
    "A Russian person cannot feel happy if injustice is happening somewhere" And when the currency is 70-80 rubles. and the Russian economy in J-PE. ! Plato rules!
  • iouris
    iouris 22 November 2015 11: 57 New
    0
    It is beautifully said, but one gets the impression that there are not enough Russian people in power.
  • Santjaga_Garka
    Santjaga_Garka 22 November 2015 14: 12 New
    0
    Great article! Thank!
  • gerrt
    gerrt 22 November 2015 22: 22 New
    0
    “A Russian person cannot feel happy if injustice is happening somewhere” - and why do Russians emigrate en masse to other countries ????? is there really no happiness in mother motherland?
  • kamil_tt
    kamil_tt 6 December 2015 14: 55 New
    0
    Recent events have found many not the best feature - not only a striking and very selective credulity in official propaganda, but also a rather high level of cynicism. We are used to the fact that siloviki, politicians, officials, government analysts differ in such quality - in short, those who know more than ordinary inhabitants, those who are able to influence either the adoption of important decisions or the lives of many people. However, practice has shown: in order to get into cynicism, it is not at all necessary to have special knowledge or authority - it is enough to just consider yourself the arbiter of fate ..