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Metamorphosis "Fearless"

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Metamorphosis "Fearless"



In early September, this sensational news circled the English-language publications, as well as electronic media. And, in general, she deserved to draw attention to herself. This is a concept project of the future warship - Dreadnought 2050 (Т2050), the presentation of which was arranged by the research group Startpoint with the support of the British Department of Defense. The appearance of such a ship in the Royal Navy is expected, as you might guess, by 2050 year.

Obviously, the project developers deliberately called their brainchild Dreadnought (“Fearless”). The same name bore the battleship, replenished the Royal Navy in 1906 year. Its creation had a great influence on the military shipbuilding of all the leading powers at the beginning of the 20th century.

The battleship Dreadnought is the sixth of seven British ships that bore this name. His appearance is largely due to the Tsushima battle. British naval experts formed a special commission headed by First Sea Lord John Fisher and carefully studied the course and results of this battle. They concluded that medium-caliber artillery (152-254-mm), especially with centralized targeting of guns, is not necessary for battleships. Fisher even formulated a categorical principle: "The biggest big gun and the smallest small gun" ("The largest of the large-caliber guns and the smallest of the small-caliber"). The last caliber 75-130 mm then called "mine", that is, they were intended to repel the attacks of enemy destroyers.


The authors of the project battleship Dreadnought managed to fully comply with the principle of all-big-gun.

New ships, in the opinion of John Fisher and his associates, should have also had an enhanced reservation, covering the entire board, and reliable anti-torpedo protection. The British innovators were completely dissatisfied with the speed of the existing battleships. That is why instead of reciprocating steam engines, they proposed the use of turbine power plants.

All these ideas were put into practice by an old friend of the sea lord - shipbuilder Philip Watts. The sixth Dreadnought was built surprisingly quickly. It was laid on the Portsmouth Shipyard Portmouth Dockyard 2 in October 1905, launched the 10 in February 1906 in the year and put into operation the 3 in October of the same year, that is, it all took a year and one day. The ship with a total displacement of 20730 t and a length of 160,74 m developed the 21-nodal stroke, which allowed to reach four Parsons turbines, working on four lines of propeller shafts. The board defended the entire length of the armor thickness 179-279 mm. Due to the increase in the height of the freeboard, the Fearless had high seaworthiness. And by increasing the height of transverse watertight bulkheads above the constructive waterline and the autonomy of all compartments equipped with individual drainage devices, a high survivability of the ship was achieved. His weapons complied with the principle of "all-big-gun" ("only big guns"). The battleship carried five twin 305-mm Mark X guns, four of which could fire on one side, and twenty-seven 76-mm anti-mine guns.


Battleship Dreadnought in the sea.

The Dreadnought characteristics were so superior to the tactical and technical elements of all the other large battleships that after the appearance of the "Intrepid" new ships, built in his image and likeness, were called "dreadnoughts." The last in their row were the British Vanguard, withdrawn from the Royal Navy in 1960, and the American Iowa, decommissioned in the 2012 year.

Dreadnought itself was morally obsolete (so quickly did scientific and technical progress in military affairs) even before the outbreak of World War I, although during its course it was the flagship of the fourth battleship of battleships based on Scapa Flow. He was not able to participate in artillery duels with the German Dreadnoughts. And yet, on account of the sixth Fearless, there is a real battle victory. 18 March 1915 g. He rammed and sank the German submarine U-29, commanded by the famous Otto Weddigen, who sank the 22 September 1914, three English cruisers Aboukir, Hogue and Cressy.


Concept project of the XXII century frigate 22CF.

Despite this "anti-submarine" success, submarines, aircraft carriers, as well as ships equipped with rocket weapons, after the Second World War pushed dreadnoughts out of the seas and oceans. And now the time has come for the successor. But before we get closer to him, note that the Dreadnought 2050 has a much closer prototype.


Dreadnought 2050, view from the nose.

I did not even have time to begin the XXI century, when the British Ministry of Defense was concerned about the question: what should be the warship of the XXII century? The answer to this question was to indicate the directions of development of naval technologies for the near and far perspective.

Under the auspices of the military department of the United Kingdom, the efforts of a number of designers and engineers of leading British military-industrial companies were combined into the Naval Design Partnering team (NDP). They were tasked to develop the concept of a frigate of the beginning of the XXII century (22nd Century Frigate - 22CF), which could operate in any water area of ​​the World Ocean to combat surface, air, underwater and coastal objectives. At 22CF, Richard Scott, project manager Simon Knight, told naval columnist for Jane's Naval International in 2010, had to find the embodiment of “the most advanced innovative dreams.” According to Simon Knight, the research was conducted in several main areas: materials of the hull and superstructure, sensors and communications, weapons, power plant and propulsion.

As a result, a concept-project of a stealth frigate of a trimaran type made of composites of 128 length, m, with outrigers collapsing inboard and “supporting” the main body, appeared, which improves the ship’s navigational qualities. The nasal extremity is “cutting the wave,” that is, the ploughfish, like on the American destroyer Zumwalt. This design reduces the wave resistance. High-speed automated controls are implemented on 22CF. Therefore, its main crew consists of only four people - the commander and three watch officers. Residential premises - a large volume. The main command post is under the upper deck in the midship area. On board the frigate can additionally be kneaded up to 23 people. They are designed to serve interchangeable weapons systems. However, what they mean by the details is not specified. Another 50 man - special forces soldiers or specialists designed to participate in humanitarian missions. Estimated autonomy 22CF - 150 day.


In the nose of the Dreadnought 2050 - electromagnetic gun with a firing range of more than 200 km.

On the walls of the superstructure - solar panels. They are designed to power general ship consumers. The blades of RIM jet propulsion units, which were created for use on destroyers of the Zumwalt type, also generate electricity in the generating mode due to the oncoming sea waves and oscillatory movements caused by rolling. As a propulsion for the economic course (up to 12 nodes), it is possible to use a sail-kite, which has already been tested on civilian ships.


In the traveling position, the quadrocopter is mounted on a low mast, crowning the superstructure.

The armament of the XXII century frigate, as proposed by the NDP team, should include an electromagnetic gun, directional energy systems (lasers and microwave weapons), supercavitating torpedoes (like the Russian "Squall") and submarines, unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs), crewless boats ( BEC) and uninhabited underwater vehicles (NPA) for various purposes, including mine. The runway for the UAV is supposed to be placed in the bow of the ship - before the superstructure. At the time when the runway is not in use, it is “shuttered” by an awning absorbing radar beams, which creates a protected volume from detection of aircraft maintenance. In the aft part of the frigate there is a “garage” and devices for quick launching and lifting BEC and NPA from it.

Of course, the NDP team paid much attention to the electronic equipment of the ship of the XXII century. High-performance systems for displaying the situation on the sea, on the nearest shores, in the air, and even in outer space are linked into a complex command and control system. Single “windows” for wide-aperture communication antennas and detection aids, multifunctional displays provide high situational awareness of the crew. A large satellite antenna is located at the top of the superstructure, and conformal communication antennas are located along the hull above the waterline.

The maximum 25-nodal stroke is provided by an electric power plant. Provides for a complete rejection of the use of organic or synthetic fuels. Electrochemical generators (ECH) powered by hydrogen or methanol will give energy.


The quadcopter for long-range target detection and the reflection of enemy missiles with laser weapons rises into the sky.

Here it should be noted that advanced technologies that are supposed to be implemented on 22CF either already exist or are at different stages of development. For the most part they are realizable. But their “docking”, of course, is very difficult and even problematic. A particularly difficult problem is related to energy sources. In the future, ECGs will be able to provide electric motors with the necessary power for the development of the 25 node node. But electromagnetic guns and weapons of directed energy in the literal sense of the word "devour energy", and the power of electrochemical generators for them is clearly not enough. That is why the NDP team does not exclude the possibility of using a nuclear power plant on the 22CF frigate. But then it will be a completely different ship, both in terms of size and cost. Its displacement will increase significantly, and operating costs will increase.


Runway with a UAV.

That is, the problem of energy supply has become for the 22CF developers the Achilles heel - practically insoluble. Anyway, bye.

And then a concept project called T2050 appeared, which for a more successful promotion was given the high-image name Dreadnought 2050. As we will see, he borrowed a lot from 22CF, but it also has significant differences.

Why is it now introduced to the general public? Anti-Russian hysteria in the spirit of the Cold War is gaining momentum in the United Kingdom every day. "Moscow from the sea threatens Great Britain!" That is why this is the most convenient time for knocking out new financial resources for military development. "Britain, although it has not ruled the seas for a long time, is capable of protecting itself from sea directions." This is approximately the logic of those who began to promote the Dreadnought 2050 project. But this is only one side of the propaganda campaign around the promising ship. Another is that, as we have already noted, specialists from several leading British military-industrial companies were involved in the 22CF work. And there they decided that there was nothing to wait for the end of the current century in order to proceed with the creation of the ship of the XXII century. They decided to speed up the process. Finally, one cannot fail to mention one more circumstance. “We want to attract the best young talents for the development and development of promising systems,” said Commander Steve Prest, who is responsible for the Royal navy for the development of robotics - so that they can find satisfaction in their ambitions. " This is undoubtedly the right approach when creating combat vehicles of the future.


Dock Camera for Launching and Receiving NLA and BEC.

Dreadnought 2050 - trimaran. Its length is 155 m, that is, 27 m is longer than that of 22CF, width is 37 m, and the maximum speed is 50 nodes, twice as large as that of 22CF. The creators of the mid-21st century ship project carefully avoid the power plant, although they are talking about an electric propulsion system based on electrochemical generators. Electric propulsion is also on American destroyers such as Zumwalt and English type 45. But the source of energy for them is organic-powered gas turbines, which is contrary to the concept of the Dreadnought 2050. It is alleged that he will have an unlimited cruising range, and this means that an atomic power plant is foreseen for him. In some publications, this is directly indicated. Therefore, it is hard to believe the words of the representative of the Startpoint company, Muir MacDonald, that the price of the future super ship will be lower than the frigates currently under construction.


"Operating room" Dreadnought 2050.

The Dreadnought 2050 case will be made of acrylic. The body of the underwater vehicle C-Explorer 3, designed and built by a Dutch company, is made of the same material.

U-Boat Worx, where President Vladimir Putin did not dive into the 82-meter depth in Balaklava Bay. In Dreadnought 2050, to improve low visibility, it will still be coated with graphene.

In the arsenal of the ship appear electromagnetic gun with a firing range of more than 200 km, supercavitation torpedoes with a submerged speed of 300 nodes, laser guns and hypersonic missiles. The highlight of this arsenal is a tethered quadrocopter, which not only allows you to expand the view of the surrounding space and direct weapons to long-range targets, but also is the carrier of a laser weapon designed to destroy enemy attacking missiles. A cable made of carbon nanotubes supplies power to the quadrocopters for sensors and a laser. In the stowed position, the device is mounted on a low mast, crowning the superstructure.


Newspaper The Daily Mail published the layout of weapons and other systems on Dreadnought 2050:

1) electromagnetic instrument; 2) launchers for shooting supercavitating torpedoes; 3) hypersonic missile launchers and directional energy combat systems; 4) deck and hangar for UAVs; 5) thermonuclear reactor or low-noise turbines to provide current to electric motors and jet propulsion; 6) dock for NLA and BEC; 7) graphene-coated acrylic case; 8) quadcopter with laser weapons; 9) "operating room" with 3D holographic center.


Runway and hangar, located not in the bow, but in the stern, allow you to receive and place a manned middle class helicopter. But mainly various UAVs will be used. If necessary, new drones can be made directly on board the ship through 3D printers.

In the aft part there is a “moon pool” (moon pool) - a docking chamber for launching and receiving NPA and BEC, as well as boats of the landing party. There is also a room for the preparation and equipment of these devices.

The key element of the Dreadnought 2050 is the “operating room” (operations or “Ops” room), that is, a command post from which five people can control the entire ship and its combat assets. Its main component is the 3D holographic center of lighting, communications and command. With it, you can monitor what is happening at sea, on the coast, in the air and under water thousands of miles from the ship, the information on which comes not only from its own sensors, but also from numerous external sources. The holographic center is built on the principle of the new-fashioned Google Glass gadget, in which information is reflected on a transparent display, made in the form of glasses, and for controlling which there is enough voice.

Crew Dreadnought 2050, depending on the tasks performed - from 50 to 100 people. And the range of these tasks, as we have seen, is very wide. Compared to this ship, the 26 type frigates, the head of which is planned to be laid for the Royal Navy next year, look, to put it mildly, obsolete galoshes.



But for now Dreadnought 2050 is a crane in the sky and even a “naked king”. If you look through newspapers and magazines over the past century and a half, then you can find in them a lot of projects of futuristic ships, stunning the imagination, but which have never been built. It is impossible not to draw attention to the fact that the famous battleship Dreadnought, created by the team of John Fisher, had a clear and distinct ideology. He was supposed to be the strongest of all, armed with the guns of the main caliber, compared with his rivals more reliable booking and anti-torpedo protection, as well as high speed. Both the frigate 22CF and Dreadnought 2050 are still a collection of promising technologies, often unrelated to the unity of purpose.

And nevertheless, the technological initiatives of the British military department and military-industrial companies cannot be treated as a waste. A number of innovations proposed by them will certainly be realized sooner or later. Therefore, we should not brush off global trends in order to keep up with our western “partners” in technological development.
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  1. Vladimyrych
    Vladimyrych 22 November 2015 05: 47
    31
    Wet dreams.
    This is for the next part of the Cull Of Duty or the next epic of Tom Clancy.
    1. aktanir
      aktanir 22 November 2015 06: 56
      15
      for airplanes, the importance of stealth can still be understood, but for ships ... the world is developing so much that you don’t use any technologies, especially at sea. so, from satellites soon it will probably be possible to study ants populations, and tracking the ship at its 25-30 nodes will definitely not be a problem
      1. Nikolay K
        Nikolay K 22 November 2015 09: 28
        +1
        Even the current aircraft carrier is not always able to track from satellites, to say nothing of stealth ships. And in the event of a global conflict, the satellite constellation is destroyed first, and what then?
      2. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 22 November 2015 10: 17
        +4
        Quote: aktanir
        for airplanes, the importance of stealth can still be understood, but for ships

        You reduce the ship’s EPR by half - the ability of the ASG RCC to capture the target halves.
        1. Secta haki
          Secta haki 22 November 2015 15: 06
          +4
          we forgot to paint the oars to the sail ...

          and a wind farm to provide EM guns with energy lol
          1. Yuri from Volgograd
            Yuri from Volgograd 22 November 2015 17: 31
            +5
            Quote: SectaHaki
            we forgot to paint the oars to the sail ...

            and a wind farm to provide EM guns with energy lol

            I also smiled)
            Especially the arsenal that was clearly borrowed from the Pokemon.
            In general, it’s convenient to promise decades ahead, because no one there will ever remember who said meow))
        2. Falcon
          Falcon 22 November 2015 19: 39
          +4
          Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
          You reduce the ship’s EPR by half - the ability of the ASG RCC to capture the target halves.


          Not twice, but to the root of the fourth degree of the new value. This is far from double!

    2. 501Legion
      501Legion 22 November 2015 09: 17
      +6
      I'm afraid to upset, but Tom Clancy died
      1. Mooh
        Mooh 22 November 2015 15: 03
        +6
        Clancy is dead, but his business lives on laughing
    3. avt
      avt 22 November 2015 09: 49
      +7
      Quote: Vladimir
      Wet dreams.

      We look forward to the next detailed article on the armored battleship Darth Vader. laughing
    4. Lt. Air Force stock
      Lt. Air Force stock 22 November 2015 11: 33
      +2
      Quote: Vladimir
      Wet dreams.
      This is for the next part of the Cull Of Duty or the next epic of Tom Clancy.

      This is not a starship, this ship can already be created now, there is nothing fantastic in the project.
    5. PSih2097
      PSih2097 22 November 2015 21: 39
      0
      Quote: Vladimir
      This is for the next part of the Cull Of Duty or the next epic of Tom Clancy.

      for battles, in Cold and Clancy, all this is ... 2 for not knowing the subject.
  2. Dezinto
    Dezinto 22 November 2015 05: 50
    12
    Just yesterday I read about this concept!

    Semi-flooding for hidden operations seems to me an interesting topic ...... well, of course, a big question from a technical point of view ... but the idea exists and is used .... while on boats.

    Well, the rest, of course, may not be dreams, but not in our lifetime such ships will be built, yes.

    There are a lot of crazy ideas at first glance, but it should be so. Let the engineers not sleep :) (it is advisable that our engineers would not sleep, and not the British))))









    1. Lt. Air Force stock
      Lt. Air Force stock 22 November 2015 12: 00
      +2
      I wonder why the United States designing the destroyer Zumvolt abandoned the three maran design? After all, such a design gives great stability and speed.
      A coastal lit USS Independence ship, 50 knots can go, this speed can help with dodging a torpedo attack (maximum torpedo speed MK-48 for comparison is 55 knots, German DM2A4 is at a speed of 50 knots, only German spirits with a maximum speed of 80 knots can to quickly approach a ship going at such a speed, our UGST with the TPS-53 thermal propulsive system can reach a speed of 65 knots), the torpedo is still faster, but such a speed will force the torpedoes to go at maximum speed, thereby unmasking themselves more strongly.
      1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 22 November 2015 13: 02
        +6
        Quote: Lt. air force reserve
        I wonder why the United States designing the destroyer Zumvolt abandoned the three maran design?

        Still trimarana. And they refused, apparently, as a result of sudden enlightenment of the brain.
        Quote: Lt. air force reserve
        After all, such a design gives great stability and speed.

        Such a design abounds with a number of fundamentally ineradicable shortcomings.
        1) Overcomplicated hull structures and, accordingly, a higher cost of the hull (three hulls are made, instead of one, and it is necessary to provide for the most powerful "joints" that hold the structure together.
        2) The lower carrying capacity of a trimaran compared to a classic equal-displacement ship (this is a fact. The trimaran will have a wider deck, but the carrying capacity will be lower. That is, a military trimaran will hold fewer weapons and supplies than a displacement ship of the same weight)
        3) Poor constructive protection (three narrow cases instead of one wide, although it’s hard to say how much Americans bother with it)
        4) Gluttony of the chassis. At certain operating modes (speeds beyond 40 knots), the trimaran can indeed turn out to be faster than a classic ship of the same displacement. But this pleasure is bought with increased fuel consumption at ordinary high-speed modes.
        All this, together, makes the trimaran scheme very unpromising for military shipbuilding.
        1. Mooh
          Mooh 22 November 2015 15: 16
          +2
          And what about the idea of ​​detachable additional enclosures? Recently there was an article about the projection of submarines with interchangeable side casings with their own control system. It seems to me that there is something in this: here you and PTZ and modularize, and most importantly unification - fastened an extra to the corvette. hull and destroyer is obtained.
          1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
            Andrei from Chelyabinsk 22 November 2015 15: 54
            +4
            Quote: MooH
            Recently there was an article about the projection of submarines with interchangeable side casings with their own control system. It seems to me that there is something in this: here you and PTZ and modularize, and most importantly unification - fastened an extra to the corvette. hull and destroyer is obtained.

            Modularity is a terrible Evil laughing
            It would make sense if there was an opportunity to swiftly change one block to another and at the same time the ship would dramatically change its combat qualities, while remaining combat-ready. In practice, nothing of the sort happens.
            All the same, the ship will have to be dragged to a shipyard, docked, carried out a very complicated docking, then taken out, tested, and so on and so forth. Moreover, after new blocks have been attached to the ship, it is necessary to spend time on the combat coordination of posts. As a result, no efficiency is obtained, and without it, the idea loses all meaning.
            1. Mooh
              Mooh 22 November 2015 17: 41
              0
              All the same, the ship will have to be dragged to the shipyard, docked, carried out the most difficult docking, then taken out, tested, and so on and so forth.

              In such situations, of course, it makes no sense. I assumed the possibility of docking-undocking directly at sea. I do not own the issue of designing docking nodes, but at first glance there is nothing unsolvable here, the submarines somehow dock. Combat coordination is also not a very difficult issue. All control posts need to be located in the central building, and the side ones should be used as tankers, additional engines and many, many uvp with loading according to the assignment.
            2. IS-80
              IS-80 22 November 2015 17: 55
              0
              Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
              Modularity is a terrible Evil

              But I do not agree. It is also possible that it was initially possible to assemble different purpose machines based on common base units.
              Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
              In practice, nothing of the sort happens.
              All the same, the ship will have to be dragged to a shipyard, docked, carried out a very complicated docking, then taken out, tested, and so on and so forth. Moreover, after new blocks have been attached to the ship, it is necessary to spend time on the combat coordination of posts. As a result, no efficiency is obtained, and without it, the idea loses all meaning.

              And this is just the task. It is necessary to work out options for using ships in different configurations. And it’s also necessary for efficiency. It is clear that it is better as quick as possible, but here it is important that the enemy reacts backwards if he is unable to oppose anything in a week or a month, then a week or a month is quite efficient. smile
        2. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 22 November 2015 15: 27
          -2
          for Andrey from Chelyabinsk:

          "three bodies, instead of one, and it is necessary to provide for the most powerful" joints "that hold the structure together" ////

          It is possible to do without joints - a single composite "casserole".

          And you forgot one of the most important benefits of the trimaran: the presence of hidden
          dock for launching mini-sub.
          Pilot and unmanned mini-submarines are a modern hit.
          I foresee that they will soon become mandatory on any surface ship,
          like a helicopter.
          In a single-hull ship, such a dock is impossible.
          1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
            Andrei from Chelyabinsk 22 November 2015 16: 05
            +3
            Quote: voyaka uh
            Possibility to do without joints - single composite "casserole"

            Yes, no one canceled a single, if not a single, compromise, the thickness / weight of the composite will still be determined by the mechanical impact that it must withstand so that such a trimaran will still lose to an ordinary ship from the same composite.
            Quote: voyaka uh
            And you forgot one of the most important benefits of the trimaran: the presence of hidden
            dock for launching mini-sub.

            Which a modern ship needs, like a fifth wheel to a cart
            Quote: voyaka uh
            Pilot and unmanned mini-submarines are a modern hit.

            Unless in such projects
            Quote: voyaka uh
            I foresee that they will soon become mandatory on any surface ship,
            like a helicopter.

            The helicopter is capable of performing important tasks, namely, the reconnaissance function, anti-submarine, moreover, both. And what can a mini submarine do? It is not faster than the carrier ship, equipped with much weaker equipment (just because of the size) - the carrier is much easier to go and see for yourself than to fix such a mini. Anti-submarine function? Nothing that an ordinary torpedo could handle. In general, the only thing that comes to mind is mine action and sabotage, but this is clearly not enough to put such submarines on each ship
            1. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 22 November 2015 17: 26
              0
              for Andrey from Chelyabinsk:
              “Anti-submarine function? Nothing that a conventional torpedo could not handle.
              In general, the only thing that comes to mind is mine "////

              You have correctly identified its tasks: both anti-submarine and anti-mine.
              A mini-submarine must reconnoiter-patrol the underwater space around the ship.
              Just like a helicopter does the same in the airspace around a ship.
            2. IS-80
              IS-80 22 November 2015 18: 00
              0
              Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
              The helicopter is capable of performing important tasks, namely, the reconnaissance function, anti-submarine, moreover, both.

              The helicopter is less autonomous, more critical to weather conditions, more noticeable.
    2. Rus2012
      Rus2012 22 November 2015 12: 33
      +1
      Quote: DEZINTO
      Well, the rest, of course, may not be dreams, but not in our lifetime such ships will be built, yes.

      ... IMHO all this is too futuristic and stretched from fantasy.
      My opinion is that during the whole 21 century nothing of the kind will be mined ...
      After the parties of the war of the Anglo-Saxons go into oblivion. Humanity and this acre have too many other problems, except for "more skillfully and with imagination" to kill each other ...
      1. Lt. Air Force stock
        Lt. Air Force stock 22 November 2015 12: 46
        0
        Quote: Rus2012
        My opinion is that during the whole 21 century nothing of the kind will be mined ...

        Already traded:
      2. Lt. Air Force stock
        Lt. Air Force stock 22 November 2015 12: 50
        +2
        Ours also fantasize on this subject, not officially true:
      3. Lt. Air Force stock
        Lt. Air Force stock 22 November 2015 12: 53
        +1
        Here is another concept:
  3. ars_pro
    ars_pro 22 November 2015 06: 04
    +4
    I like their idea conceptually, I think even something that can be stolen for our Navy
  4. Hydrograph
    Hydrograph 22 November 2015 06: 55
    +2
    Gun firing range 200 km. ??? Will they be bent over the horizon? or shoot in the sky?
    1. Afotin
      Afotin 22 November 2015 07: 11
      +5
      Exactly what is in the sky. On a ballistic trajectory.
  5. Barakuda
    Barakuda 22 November 2015 07: 58
    +9
    Sledgehammer and some mother canceled? SDI we have already passed. Again, again?
    In a confidential conversation with the French president (I will rephrase Putin’s words), we don’t care what kind of missile defense you have there.
  6. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 22 November 2015 08: 10
    -2
    For some reason, the British have not come up with anything beautiful yet, everything is somehow ugly! This sample also embodies their ugliness! As the saying goes, a beautiful plane flies beautifully! And these "masterpieces" will only litter the world ocean, future generations finding it at the bottom will laugh for a long time. Just like the Americans have recently tested their new "aviation masterpiece", which, like a sandwich, falls butter down, or rather belly up.
    1. igorka357
      igorka357 22 November 2015 09: 04
      +2
      Well, don’t do it so strictly ..))) and about the fact that the Britons didn’t do anything beautiful, you don’t tell the owner of any X-ray jaguar hi !! Yes, and the T-14, however, does not shine with our beauty, I think the T-90ms is much more beautiful and aesthetic!
      1. Lt. Air Force stock
        Lt. Air Force stock 22 November 2015 11: 43
        +2
        Quote: igorka357
        !! Yes, and the T-14, however, does not shine with our beauty, I think the T-90ms is much more beautiful and aesthetic!

        Military equipment is not civilian cars, beauty is far from the first place, the main thing is the effectiveness of weapons.
        1. Down House
          Down House 22 November 2015 17: 42
          -3
          Quote: Lt. air force reserve
          Military equipment is not civilian cars, beauty is far from the first place, the main thing is the effectiveness of weapons.

          Oh well, how many of the built military equipment really fought with their own kind?
          The question is, why make the equipment beautiful and convenient - if 95-99% of employees will use it only for exercises? Better anyhow to collect, but the type of "effective"! ))))
    2. Lt. Air Force stock
      Lt. Air Force stock 22 November 2015 11: 35
      +1
      Quote: dchegrinec
      For some reason, the British have not yet come up with anything beautiful, everything is somehow ugly! So this sample embodies their ugliness! As they say a beautiful plane, it flies beautifully!

      How is he ugly? Smooth streamlined lines, three maran design, do you think the Ticonderoga brick is prettier?
  7. antiexpert
    antiexpert 22 November 2015 08: 33
    0
    seen enough 007 Tomorrow Never Dies)))
  8. kvs207
    kvs207 22 November 2015 09: 20
    +1
    Dreadnought itself is morally obsolete (scientific and technological progress in military affairs developed so quickly) even before the outbreak of the First World War
    I wonder why the Dreadnought is obsolete?
    The main enemy - Germany, received battleships of the Bayern class, only towards the end of the war. Prior to this, German battleships and battle cruisers carried 280 - 305 mm artillery. And, the bulk of the dreadnoughts, too.
    1. Rurikovich
      Rurikovich 22 November 2015 09: 49
      +3
      It is outdated in the eyes of the British themselves. With the appearance of the Orion superdreadnoughts, according to the then conventional classification, with 343-mm guns, their linearly elevated position in the center plane of the ship, the increase (and improvement) of the armor, the Dreadnought no longer looked like. Even in the Battle of Jutland, battleships with 12 "guns practically did not participate, although tactically they were in a good position. After all, even the German" counterparts "with the diagonal arrangement of the Kaisers' towers were much better booked, which allowed them to withstand even 15" "suitcases quite tolerably ". Therefore, purely theoretically, all English battleships with 12 "artillery and armor of 254-280mm would be very fraught with getting into a mess. But the Germans had nowhere to go, they had fewer ships of the line, so everyone fought, regardless of the thickness of the armor. was better than English, that's why the results are better.
      And I repeat once again - it was the British who considered the "Dreadnought" morally obsolete. In all other countries, he would be a powerful ship hi
      PS But again - it’s not the ships that are fighting, but the people.
  9. Razvedka_Boem
    Razvedka_Boem 22 November 2015 09: 28
    +4
    What will happen in fifty years is unknown to anyone. I am sure that the ships of the future will be little like this concept. I think the development of technology, the emergence of new materials and engines, new concepts emerging from the political and military situation, will lead to the fact that the ocean, navy of the future will be completely underwater. Aircraft carriers, cruisers, destroyers will disappear, there will be a multi-purpose submarine ship. But these are all assumptions naturally)
  10. Maxim Shilin
    Maxim Shilin 22 November 2015 09: 49
    +1
    In my opinion, this is just a way to get money out of the budget for a private defense industry, and the ship itself will be built in 2050)))
  11. guzik007
    guzik007 22 November 2015 09: 57
    0
    The designers of this miracle grew up on "Star Wars", and from there their legs grow. And so, after 80 years this project may be relevant.
  12. Dimon19661
    Dimon19661 22 November 2015 10: 00
    +2
    Star Wars Episode ....
    Particularly impressed with the presence of a full-sized tower with an electromagnetic gun.
  13. cormorant
    cormorant 22 November 2015 10: 06
    +1
    Some have already built the super destroyer Zumwalt, now they don’t know where to put this iron out of sight. They will make a couple of imperial films in Hollywood and will stand in the port near the wall, the kids on a guided tour ...
  14. tinibar
    tinibar 22 November 2015 10: 16
    +1
    Quote: aktanir
    for airplanes, the importance of stealth can still be understood, but for ships ... the world is developing so much that you don’t use any technologies, especially at sea. so, from satellites soon it will probably be possible to study ants populations, and tracking the ship at its 25-30 nodes will definitely not be a problem

    And the best "invisible" at sea is a submarine! And this has long been known!
  15. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 22 November 2015 10: 20
    +1
    Beautiful, not enough space landscapes and Daria Vader with a laser sword
  16. NordUral
    NordUral 22 November 2015 10: 27
    +1
    Divorce both ours and ours. Until 2050, the world still needs to live, and at such a pace and with such things that are happening in the world, one can not survive.
  17. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 22 November 2015 10: 37
    +3
    Most importantly, the concept of stealth radar for such large ships is unproductive. There are also a lot of unmasking factors, and when you are "watched" through all channels - in the general information field, by radio, IR, UV, optical range, by acoustics and wake. I understand that for submarines it is a matter of life and death. Surface ships - IMHO, are in a state of "active defense", they are not ninjas, but warriors in formation, with pikes and shields. And to demand from them unnatural functions - cutting the budget and "brainwashing".
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 22 November 2015 11: 29
      +3
      "in the general information field, by radio, IR, UV, optical range, by acoustics and wake." ///

      For each of the factors of noticeability that you cited, work has been done. For example, an electrically driven Zumvolt is acoustically low noise and its special body shape leaves a short and rapidly dissipating wake trace.
    2. Dimon19661
      Dimon19661 22 November 2015 16: 03
      +2
      Quote: voyaka uh
      "in the general information field, by radio, IR, UV, optical range, by acoustics and wake." ///

      For each of the factors of noticeability that you cited, work has been done. For example, an electrically driven Zumvolt is acoustically low noise and its special body shape leaves a short and rapidly dissipating wake trace.

      But in the optical range it is not visible at all). With the development of modern detection tools, is a stillborn child. By the way about the wake-pearl trace, think that write, he doesn’t change physics by the water ???
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 23 November 2015 11: 30
        0
        Zumvolt propellers are in special ring nozzles, plus there is a system for supplying bubbles to the underwater part of the body and specific contours. All this makes the wake trail of Zumvolt inconspicuous from space.
  18. Mera joota
    Mera joota 22 November 2015 11: 42
    +5
    If they told me twenty years ago that in my pocket I would carry an apparatus that combines the functions of a telephone, digital camera, and computer weighing only 100 grams. and dimensions of 12 by 6 cm., I would call such a person an empty dreamer. Yeah, 1GB of RAM and a 1,3 GHz processor! Delusions of science fiction ... However, twenty years have passed and this device no longer surprises me. And if in 20 years such a ship leaves the Rosyth slipway, this will not surprise me ...
    P.S .:
    Particularly difficult problem with energy sources

    The cornerstone is energy and the world has stood still in anticipation of an energy revolution. This will be another impetus to the development of mankind, a new evolutionary factor that nuclear energy has not become.
    I hope that I will live to see this day and believe that the drop in oil prices is a sign of the approaching new, cheap and affordable energy.
    1. Lt. Air Force stock
      Lt. Air Force stock 22 November 2015 11: 49
      +1
      Quote: Mera Joota
      The cornerstone is energy and the world has stood still in anticipation of an energy revolution. This will be another impetus to the development of mankind, a new evolutionary factor that nuclear energy has not become.
      I hope that I will live to see this day and believe that the drop in oil prices is a sign of the approaching new, cheap and affordable energy.

      Antimatter reactors are very far away with regard to batteries for phones, tablets and laptops, you can’t see any progress either, I use my smartphone only for calls, the signal is good, I don’t say very much, total 4-6 days, if you constantly sit from the smartphone in Internet, play games, listen to music, then the battery lasts for 12 hours at best.
      1. Nekarmadlen
        Nekarmadlen 22 November 2015 12: 23
        +1
        The fourth iPhone works in navigator mode for two hours, without charging, for a maximum of three hours (((((
        1. Lt. Air Force stock
          Lt. Air Force stock 22 November 2015 13: 02
          0
          Quote: Nekarmadlen
          The fourth iPhone works in navigator mode for two hours, without charging, for a maximum of three hours (((((

          Therefore, external battery cases were sold.
      2. IS-80
        IS-80 22 November 2015 15: 08
        +2
        Quote: Lt. air force reserve
        Antimatter reactors are very far away with regard to batteries for phones, tablets and laptops, you can’t see any progress either, I use my smartphone only for calls, the signal is good, I don’t say very much, total 4-6 days, if you constantly sit from the smartphone in Internet, play games, listen to music, then the battery lasts for 12 hours at best.

        There is progress, there are articles on the subject on the Internet. Only it is largely balanced by the increase in energy consumption of the smartphone. Due to hardware and lack of code optimization.
    2. saturn.mmm
      saturn.mmm 22 November 2015 14: 48
      0
      Quote: Mera Joota
      that the fall in oil prices

      The fall in oil prices does not stimulate the approach of cheap and affordable energy, as if on the contrary, why look for something if cheap gasoline.
    3. IS-80
      IS-80 22 November 2015 15: 05
      +1
      Quote: Mera Joota
      The cornerstone is energy and the world has stood still in anticipation of an energy revolution. This will be another impetus to the development of mankind, a new evolutionary factor that nuclear energy has not become.

      Not yet, but probably will soon be. See the Breakthrough project. Although for me, it’s not only about energy sources, but also about its efficient use. And these are new materials, process optimization, new energy efficient technologies.
      Quote: Mera Joota
      I hope that I will live to see this day and believe that the drop in oil prices is a sign of the approaching new, cheap and affordable energy.

      Rather a sign of the global economic crisis. hi
  19. dorward
    dorward 22 November 2015 12: 02
    0
    If it were not for the projects that were criticized, we would not have seen a lot of things.
    Unfortunately, I do not know anything about the military development in Great Britain, but the concept itself, you see, is sympathetic. But we have quite a tangible perspective, our "Leader" and what he will bring to the country in terms of scientific
    prospects.
  20. kvs207
    kvs207 22 November 2015 12: 55
    +1
    Quote: Rurikovich
    It is out of date in the eyes of the English themselves.

    With this, of course, I agree. Moreover, even "Queen Elizabeth" with 15 "guns, was laid down even before the war.
  21. kvs207
    kvs207 22 November 2015 13: 01
    0
    Quote: Razvedka_Boem
    What will happen in fifty years is unknown to anyone. I am sure that the ships of the future will be little like this concept. I think the development of technology, the emergence of new materials and engines, new concepts emerging from the political and military situation, will lead to the fact that the ocean, navy of the future will be completely underwater. Aircraft carriers, cruisers, destroyers will disappear, there will be a multi-purpose submarine ship. But these are all assumptions naturally)

    Exactly. If you look back 50 years and see what people thought about today's time, it turns out that there are not so many changes. Everything, as it were, is evolving.
    With the "leaving" under water, perhaps too much wink So it is not far from the underwater "traffic jams" laughing
    1. Razvedka_Boem
      Razvedka_Boem 22 November 2015 20: 48
      0
      Going under water solves the problem of invisibility in every sense. At this stage of technology development, the construction of an underwater ship that can replace the current classes of surface ships is impossible. But, with the advent of new engines, perhaps even new principles of movement under water, new materials and of course, new weapons, it will be possible to solve a complex range of tasks with one ship, which is now provided by several classes of ships. Consider also the development of unmanned vehicles. I think that in the near future, besides aerial drones, underwater drones will also receive the widest development. But in general, the war of the future is a separate, deep discussion, beyond the scope of this commentary ..)
  22. serverny
    serverny 22 November 2015 13: 31
    0
    and in size,

    Still, you should not be lazy before publishing the text through the spellchecker.

    And conceptual developments have always been, are and will be in all design bureaus of the planet. It is useful for engineers to train their brains by dreaming about "let's say we have new revolutionary materials and a power plant".
  23. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 22 November 2015 13: 56
    +1
    Well, well done. Bold plans and ideas move science and industry forward, and promising personnel grow. If this is not done, one will have to rejoice at the descent of each tugboat and boat, and build a simple frigate for eleven years.
  24. Andrey77
    Andrey77 22 November 2015 13: 57
    0
    "In early September, this sensational news spread across English-language publications as well as the electronic media. And, in general, it deserved to be noticed."

    No way at all. The next project of the military-industrial complex of Great Britain to knock out money.
  25. dakty
    dakty 22 November 2015 14: 07
    +1
    http://topwar.ru/uploads/posts/2015-11/1447959527_img17166.jpg
    In my opinion, Captain Jean-Luc Picard himself is in the chair!
    1. Prohozhiy
      Prohozhiy 22 November 2015 21: 02
      +3
      Ready to provide a return move;)
      1. BABA SHURA
        BABA SHURA 26 November 2015 06: 51
        0
        Only at your own expense :-)
  26. HaKim
    HaKim 22 November 2015 14: 41
    0
    This is fantastic!
  27. Alex1977RUS
    Alex1977RUS 22 November 2015 15: 43
    10
    What the heresy?
    No armor belt, no black hole generator,
    there are no emitters of force fields.
    Even the simplest, I would say an elementary quark reactor, and that one is absent in the project.
    But there is a quadrocopter on a rope. With LASER, think about it with a laser gun. Not with a tachyon emitter, not with the most primitive lepton generator ... With a laser!
    They would have put a ballista there!
    And they call THIS a promising warship?
  28. wicked pinnochio
    wicked pinnochio 22 November 2015 16: 27
    0
    what the hell is that
  29. v.yegorov
    v.yegorov 22 November 2015 16: 40
    +1
    Will he be needed, the Dreadnought, in 2050? Maybe the ships, as such, will disappear.
  30. Andrey77
    Andrey77 22 November 2015 17: 33
    +2
    It seems to me, gentlemen, it was a comedy. (C)
  31. Gvfrog
    Gvfrog 22 November 2015 18: 17
    +3
    In the course of the marine version of the F-35, a good topic for the budget funding!
  32. CT-55_11-9009
    CT-55_11-9009 22 November 2015 18: 38
    +2
    Hm. It seemed to me alone that this was a stuffing designed for a new arms race? Here are some of the promising models of weapons to the public over 35 years about their creation?
  33. proletarian
    proletarian 22 November 2015 20: 42
    0
    I was especially impressed by the acrylic body, the "scow" with the ZU 23-2 will drown this "ark" without any cavitation torpedoes, and the "scow" may well be an ordinary seiner (with additional filling).
  34. Xwazilb
    Xwazilb 22 November 2015 21: 24
    +1
    It would be interesting to read the concept of their application in conjunction, otherwise the concepts of ships are being developed, and not a word about the tactics of their use.
  35. mivail
    mivail 22 November 2015 23: 22
    0
    Until 2050, you need to survive two arrivals of the "space guest" in 2029 and 2036. He can significantly change plans for the construction of a navy, but dreaming is not harmful.
  36. Dam
    Dam 23 November 2015 00: 07
    0
    Damn, their science fiction writers seem to pay a lot. Why not a business plan: draw a 3D picture, a couple of pages of fancy text and voila, grants flowed like water!
  37. Alex1977RUS
    Alex1977RUS 23 November 2015 00: 56
    0
    Quote: mivail
    Until 2050, you need to survive two arrivals of the "space guest" in 2029 and 2036. He can significantly change plans for the construction of a navy, but dreaming is not harmful.
  38. cap
    cap 23 November 2015 05: 00
    0
    Quote: cormorant
    Some have already built the super destroyer Zumwalt, now they don’t know where to put this iron out of sight. They will make a couple of imperial films in Hollywood and will stand in the port near the wall, the kids on a guided tour ...

    If you "saw" the "loot" a suitable project. They will cancel the sanctions, we need to throw our specialists from Skolkovo.
    There are fewer problems and the "shaves" will definitely not meet the deadline.
    In my opinion, another run with the theme "and I have a nail in my pocket, and you have .."
    And in our apartment there is gas and Red Square is visible from our window. laughing
  39. ayuric
    ayuric 23 November 2015 09: 23
    +3
    "The take-off and landing pad and hangar, located not in the bow, but in the stern, allow receiving and placing a manned middle class helicopter. But a variety of UAVs will be mainly used. If necessary new drones can be made directly on board the ship using 3D printers."
    Yeah, and the engines there will be plastic-glass stand ... drone production workshop what
    And rubber women don't forget to dive wassat , concept builders pancake.
  40. kugelblitz
    kugelblitz 23 November 2015 11: 22
    0
    Honestly, this is some kind of nonsense, like the USS Katahdin armored vehicle. Blasters, afterburner on antimatter and flying disks on antigravity are not enough.
    Such unobtrusive vessels have been around for a long time, without any bioreactors. They are called submarines, and the functions of drones there are performed by satellites and cruise missiles hanging in orbit.
  41. Wolka
    Wolka 24 November 2015 06: 30
    0
    very interesting concept of a ship and a catamaran ...
  42. Ustinov 055 055
    Ustinov 055 055 24 March 2016 10: 59
    0
    In the 22 century, I’m afraid of such ships there will no longer be something flying most likely or underwater above water