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Already 41 for a year, the Alpha group remains the main anti-terrorist special unit in Russia

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Already 41 for a year, the Alpha group remains the main anti-terrorist special unit in Russia



About stories and Sergey GONCHAROV, 15, who faithfully served in the ranks of this legendary anti-terrorist unit, told the National Defense magazine about the modern combat activities of the Alpha Group of the Special Purpose Center of the Federal Security Service of the Russian Federation

Interview

- Sergey Alekseevich, what were the reasons for the creation of the Alpha group? And why was the name chosen for the antiterror group? Maybe because “alpha” is the first letter of the Greek alphabet, and the group bearing such a name should always be the first in the fight against terror?

- The Alpha Group was created in the distant 1974 year. It was the heyday of the Soviet Union and at the same time in the 1970-s certain problems began to manifest themselves with terror and with ensuring public safety in our country. The first problem that caused the creation of the Alpha Special Forces was dissident. Many dissidents at that time committed extraordinary acts. The second reason is that the countries of the likely enemy, such as Germany, Great Britain, the USA, France, already had similar units. The third reason is that the Olympics in Munich in 1972 showed that a group of armed terrorists could capture and destroy hostages, striking a blow at the prestige of the state. We were preparing for the Olympics-80 and understood that it was necessary to ensure the safety of this large-scale event. These three reasons prompted the chairman of the KGB of the USSR, Yuri Vladimirovich Andropov, to sign the 29 on July 1974, an order establishing the group “A”. Initially, its structure included only 50 people - only KGB officers of the USSR with an impeccable reputation.


Sergey Alekseevich GONCHAROV - President of the Association of Veterans of the Alfa Anti-Terrorism Unit, President of the Russian Security Enterprises Union, Deputy of the Moscow City Duma

As for the name, the leadership of the KGB of the USSR really believed that we should be the first. The problem of terrorism has already troubled our country, and Alpha should have become a brand, a real force that successfully solves antiterrorist tasks. And she does it productively already 41 year.

- How did the accumulation of knowledge on combating terrorism occur in 1970s? Was an analytical center organized for this? Did the leadership of the Alpha group have to start you from scratch or were there employees who already had certain knowledge from the field of antiterror, having received them in the Border Troops or on foreign business trips?

- Initially, we worked at random, determined what to do and what to study, studied the subject field. They picked up all the documents regarding the events of terror and anti-terror that took place in Europe and the USA. PGU KGB also assisted us in obtaining the necessary materials to combat terror. In Moscow, we studied all the airports and stations. Identified outgoing threats to passengers and aircraft. We worked storming all types of aircraft that flew in the USSR. Everything was worked out thoroughly in practice and in the plans.

Abroad, our employees did undergo training, but the information on this account constitutes a state secret. In addition, officers from the special forces from the Warsaw Pact countries or from countries loyal to the USSR came to us and trained us. For example, Cuban hand-to-hand combat taught us.

As for the analytical center, at Alpha it was and still exists, has extensive experience in collecting and analyzing information on terror and anti-terror.

- What were and are the criteria for the selection of candidates in the group "Alpha"?

- The first condition is to be an officer of the KGB of the USSR, and now it is advisable to be an officer of the FSB or an officer of the army special forces with combat experience. The second is the willingness to undergo selection in accordance with the physical standard that was developed for admission to the unit. There was a requirement to have the first rank in any applied type of sport, for example, hand-to-hand combat, shooting, etc. There were people who had pre-training and fighting swimmer skills. High demands were placed on moral-volitional qualities - overcoming a sense of fear and the ability to work in a team. We all went through parachute training, running tanks, training and tests that make it possible to understand whether an officer can fight his fear and perform a combat mission. Initially, we recruited mainly KGB operational officers. In the 1980s, they began to recruit candidates for admission to the unit from the airborne units and border troops, as they were closer to us in training.

There are many people who want to serve in our special unit, we have a big bench. Selection is on very many criteria. Of the ten candidates are selected one or two people.


Since its inception in the Alpha group, serious attention has been paid to parachute training.

- What does the training in the Alpha group look like? On the development of what skills and fighting qualities of the fighters in the "Alpha" is a bet?

- Preparation is a combat duty on which our officers intercede. Employees of our special forces are in constant combat readiness to fly to anywhere in Russia. Since the creation of Group A, the country has not been without an anti-terrorist umbrella - the cover methods developed by our division. We are always on alert. The day begins with physical training, followed by shooting and the study of those situations that were in the history of anti-terror and special operations. These events are worked out in the classrooms and in practice, are analyzed in detail, errors are considered, and then taken into service by the employees of group “A”.

We have a specialization, and there is no such employee who could do everything. There are snipers, combat swimmers, miners, negotiators, assault team. By the way, in “Alpha” a lot of time is devoted to mountain training. The emphasis is on the development of endurance, perseverance, dexterity, ingenuity, teamwork skills. After all, success in the fight against terror depends on the coordinated actions of the entire operational-combat group that takes part in the special operation.

- Is the psychological work done with the Alpha fighters to prepare the thinking fighter, or the Alpha fighter, is, above all, the result of lengthy physical training?

- Special Forces officer training takes five to six years. Training is carried out systematically, and the emphasis is on both the strict execution of the order and the development of operational tactical ingenuity. The Alpha fighter is not a robot, it is a creatively thinking warrior, ready to adapt to the conditions of the combat mission, to make decisions during a combat operation, taking into account the orders of the command.

- By the way, the employee of "Alpha" is called a "fighter" or "operative"? And what is the emphasis in "Alpha" in combat training: on teamwork or on single training?

- An employee of Alpha is called a “fighter”, not an “operative”. And there is something heroic about it. Employees of "Alpha" are proud of this name.

As for training, the snipers are preparing to act alone and with an assistant. The success of this employee is the key to the success of the entire operation. Assault groups are preparing to act cohesively, as part of one team - as a whole.


Sergey Goncharov with his comrades in Afghanistan.

- Do Alpha officers jump with a parachute? Does the group pay attention to parachute training?

- The officers of “Alpha” constantly jump with a parachute. Only during the initial parachute training is done ten jumps. "Alpha" is able to parachute into any territory in full combat gear and perform a combat mission on landing.

- Does Alpha escort high-ranking officials like the German GSG 9 or the American Delta?

“We monitored the security of our delegation in Cuba in the summer of 1978, in the event of a terrorist attack.” Alpha ensured and ensures, at the direction of the country's leadership, the security of the top officials of the state. After 1991, the Alpha group was transferred to the General Directorate of Protection. And then Alfa ensured the security of two presidents - Mikhail Gorbachev and Boris Yeltsin.

- How much time is spent on training the Alpha sniper? What is the feature of sniper training? Or, taking into account the significant time that the group is devoted to fire training, can we say that all the “alfists” are snipers? Are there any special sniper groups in Alpha, as in the special forces of the Airborne Forces, or do the snipers work as part of operational-combat groups? Has Alpha carried out successful operations to free the hostages using snipers?

- The skill of the Alpha sniper is at a high level, as he must hit a terrorist and not be taken hostage. In international competitions, we occupy the first places in sniper training. Not all "alfovtsy" are snipers, but at the same time shoot high quality of all kinds weapons. The peculiarity of the Alpha sniper training lies in the emphasis on anti-terror, work in urban conditions, when the enemy covers himself hostage. The Alpha sniper must lie in the position for as long as it takes to successfully resolve the operation. Snipers work both independently and as part of the task forces.

The successful operation with the use of a sniper "Alpha" was carried out on Vasilyevsky Spusk in Moscow in 1995, when the criminal seized a bus with 25 by South Korean tourists. The sniper determined the course of the operation and eliminated the criminal.

- Does Alpha use anti-terror equipment and reconnaissance in operational combat activities? For example, drones?

- UAVs have come into use a long time ago both in army units of special purpose and in special services. Now, high-quality intelligence gathering depends on them. "Alpha" - a modern special unit and uses drones in the process of training. In general, the technical equipment of the group is given a high value.

- Explosive devices are the main weapon of terrorists. Have you come across this type of terrorism? Is sufficient attention paid to mine training at Alpha?

- During the first and second Chechen wars, in the course of the struggle against illegal armed formations, Alpha was confronted with the combat use of mines, land mines and improvised explosive devices (IEDs). In Alpha, a lot of time is spent on mine anti-terror, the previous domestic and foreign experience is being studied. There is a group of special demolition men who work both to counteract IEDs and mine clearance, and to carry out blasting operations during the storming of the building. Successful operations of this type were carried out in Afghanistan, Chechnya, and the North Caucasus, during special operations.

- How does the structure of "Alpha"? It is known that the British SAS and the German GSG 9 are formed on the principle of a sphere of action: land, sea, air. SAS also has a mountain squadron. "Alpha" is arranged also?

- When creating the Alpha, the organizational and staff structures of the Western special services were not copied, but were taken into account. We have professional combat swimmers, high-level snipers, high-class specialists in mountain training. The group is formed depending on the specific combat mission. Of the more than a hundred of our operations there were not two identical ones, each time we received new introductory ones. It makes you gain experience every time. For example, one thing is to conduct an operation to free hostages in Beslan or Nord-Ost. It took the efforts of snipers and assault groups. Another thing is to ensure the safety of a major sporting event, such as the recent Olympics, for example. It is clear that to ensure safety in a city like Sochi, which is located in the coastal mountainous terrain, specialists with mountain and underwater training are required.


With comrades - the leaders of "Alpha".

- The assault on Amin’s palace in Afghanistan in 1979 showed that Alpha was taking part in offensive operations. Speaking the language of the GRU special forces, it was a classic attack, followed by assault. Is Alpha doing such operations now? Have there been any other successful operations of this nature?

- The assault on the palace of Amin entered the history of special forces as the best special operation of the squad that was at that time. It was an operation of brave and fearless people who were going to a clear death. And they understood what they were going to.

The uniqueness of that operation was in its difficulty. In fire contact, I had to face trained military units and bodyguard structures. Alpha was an anti-terrorist group, but during that operation, along with other groups, acted as a strike assault unit. It was necessary, risking life, to overcome the line of fire, to neutralize the armed enemy. As a result of this operation, we concluded that our officers are capable of successfully carrying out offensive operations and operating in a complex operational environment.

Now Alpha devotes enough time to working on past operations, for each operation itself is unique, but its elements can be repeated. Alfa did not have such operations anymore, but elements of the assault appeared in Beslan and Nord-Ost when it was necessary to storm barricaded buildings covered by enemy snipers.

- You were the deputy commander of the group "Alpha". What responsibilities lay exactly on you?

- We had several deputies, and we carried out the orders of the commander of the group "Alpha". There was no clear definition of which deputy is responsible for what; everything depended on a specific task. The deputy commander of a group could, for example, lead an operation or one of the assault groups, or join the headquarters for the development of the operation, or lead a group of negotiators.

- During your service at Alpha, the group conducted dozens of successful operations. Which one was the most successful? Which of your officers distinguished themselves?

- In Sarapul 17 December 1981, military soldiers took 25 students as hostages

10 class on school grounds. Alpha was airlifted and immediately launched an assault. In the course of joint actions with the local 7 administration of the KGB, the employees of Group A skillfully and professionally carried out neutralization, disarmed and captured the criminals without a single shot. The professionalism of "Alpha" consisted in a thin operational calculation and knowledge of the psychology of terrorists.

Another well-known operation to free hostages from the Yakshiyants gang was carried out in the Mineral Waters of December 1-3 of 1988. And although the leadership of the KGB of the USSR decided to make temporary concessions to the terrorists and canceled the assault, the staff of our special forces were ready for action. During this action, our fighters accompanied the bus with the captured children, took part in the negotiations. Here officer Valery Bochkov distinguished himself, risking his life, was carrying bags of money to terrorists to exchange them for the captured children. After the extradition of terrorists by the government of the State of Israel, Group A flew to this country to convoy the criminals. The skillful actions of Group A, the coolness of the staff ensured the successful release of the hostages and the subsequent extradition of the terrorists.

- In Sukhumi, you carried out a special operation to free the hostages of increased complexity with the special unit of the internal forces "Vityaz". What was the role of the “A” group in this operation?

- Alpha conducted an operation to free the hostages in the Sukhumi detention center 15 August 1990. The specifics of the place, the readiness of the leaders - mothers of criminals and their assistants, armed, including automatic weapons, a significant number of hostages taken hostage complicated the operation. The special unit was commanded by the Hero of the Soviet Union, Colonel Viktor Karpukhin. A 22 fighter arrived with him in Sukhumi. In addition, 27 fighters arrived from the Vityaz special forces unit led by commander Colonel Sergei Ivanovich Lysyuk. The bandits who captured the detention center, demanded a car and a helicopter. In the process of preparing the operation, alfovtsy mined a vehicle intended for terrorists, and together with Vityaz they formed three assault groups. The first group led by Mikhail Kartofelnikov stormed the bus. The second group, led by Major Mikhail Maximov and the Vityaz Assault Group, attacked the bandits on the floors. The first group put an end to the operation, because in the car were the leaders of the bandits who were killed during the capture. An important role was played by the second assault group and Vityaz. Thanks to their professionalism, an isolator was freed. Alpha showed her skills both in releasing hostages and in using subversive charges, which allowed her to shock the criminals and break open rooms.

- The operation in the village of Pervomaiskoye on January 18 was 1996 of the year anti-terrorist or counter-guerrilla? What was the role of Alpha in this operation? In general, "Alpha" is often attracted to the fight against illegal armed groups?

- In Pervomaisk there was a combined arms battle. Alpha had the lead role. But the use of Alpha as a combined arms unit in the open field was incorrect, and this caused the death of our officers. At the same time, Alpha was used as an assault group to free the hostages.

During the Afghan and Chechen campaigns, Alpha was a shock force in the fight against illegal armed groups.



- How did the military operations in Chechnya enrich the experience of Alpha? There, the enemy had considerable experience in guerrilla warfare and small-group actions. How hard was the victory over such an adversary?

- The fighting on the territory of Chechnya, and they can be safely called a war, gave our officers tremendous military experience. It was the experience of fighting both small units armed with small arms and large gangs with heavy weapons. The enemy used partisan tactics, raids, ambushes, and head-on collisions. "Alpha" studied to fight as an army special unit. The greatest difficulty was the battles in Zelenka.

- How competently did Group A work to free the hostages at Nord-Ost? What factors allowed her to succeed? Why were the losses among the hostages?

- Alpha stormed the building and completed its task of freeing more than a thousand hostages and destroying 38 gangsters. Success was ensured by the coordinated actions of the assault group, the reconnaissance group and the cover group. Our task was fire and assault. During those events a special task was carried out. And the losses relate to this event. But this special event was not implemented by the Alpha group.

- Does Alpha draw conclusions from the modern war on terror that is being waged throughout the world? How does this affect her training?

- We are seriously analyzing the actions of our Western and Turkish partners in the fight against IS in Syria and Iraq. After all, IS represents a danger to the whole world.

- It is known that foreign antiterrorist teams maintain partnership with each other. In particular, the French GIGN collaborates with the British SAS. SАС cooperates and shares experience with the American Delta. Does Alpha have experience sharing partnerships? And if so, with whom?

- We maintain partnerships with the Belarusian and Kazakh Alpha, but not as deep as our Western partners.

- Name the most outstanding officers of Alpha, their successful operations.

I would especially like to mention the Hero of the Soviet Union, Gennady Nikolaevich Zaitsev, he was in charge of the division the longest, carried out dozens of operations to free the hostages, educated a whole galaxy of heroes-fighters of the group “A”. I would like to mention the commander of the management of "A" in 2003-2014, Vladimir Nikolaevich Vinokurov. He was at the head of the unit during the second Chechen campaign, continued the military traditions established by the first commanders of Alpha, and performed well in the course of anti-terrorist operations. In particular, he commanded the fighting of our special forces in Beslan in 2004 year. An example of a remarkable feat was demonstrated by Major Alexander Perov, a fighter of our special forces, who was awarded the title of Hero of Russia, who covered the woman and child with his body and saved them with his life.
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  1. Ilnarturk
    Ilnarturk 22 November 2015 06: 02 New
    +9
    You are the best!!!
    1. Santa Fe
      Santa Fe 22 November 2015 06: 57 New
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      Quote: Ilnarturk
      You are the best!!!

      The attack on Dubrovka - from 130 to 174 dead hostages, to 700 wounded

      Beslan - 333 dead (19 security officials and the Ministry of Emergencies, 17 teachers, the rest 300 - children), 783 wounded

      the release of the Detention Center in Sukhumi mentioned in the article - read the details, everything went according to plan, they destroyed the entire detention center. They besieged the building for several days. And only by a miracle they detained a leaving car with bandits.

      Relying on Alpha is disastrous. Every time Alpha goes on an assault, a mass hostage massacre begins. As the entire history of this group shows, Alpha has no successful operation like Entebbe to be proud of.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 22 November 2015 06: 58 New
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        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN

        In fact, Alpha has no successful operation like Entebbe to be proud of.

        Dear, you’ll excuse me, but ugh on you hi
        1. Santa Fe
          Santa Fe 22 November 2015 07: 02 New
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          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          but ugh on you

          More arguments?

          Of course I understand. Alpha is a beautiful name.
          But is there at least one successful operation in the group’s history to free tens and hundreds of hostages? What this elite division was created for

          capture in Ordzhonikidze (1988 g.)
          The Alpha group carried out an operation to free the hostages. After many hours of negotiations, the terrorists were handed over 8 bulletproof vests, 1 PM pistol, 1 AK-74 assault rifle and USD 2 million in exchange for children. The invaders chose Israel as the country of arrival, with which the USSR did not have diplomatic relations at that time. The terrorists, under the cover of a living corridor of children, got off the bus and went into the plane, and then freed the remaining children and the teacher, the bus was also driven onto the plane. The Il-76 crew remained hostage.

          2 December 1988 year IL-76 landed at one of the military bases near Tel Aviv. The criminals tried to bribe the Israeli authorities by offering them 1 a million dollars and asked for a flight to South Africa, but the Israelis refused, deciding to extradite them to the USSR at the request of the Soviet side. They placed the terrorists in Abu Kabir prison, and soon transferred to the Soviet authorities
          1. Ugrumiy
            Ugrumiy 22 November 2015 09: 42 New
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            Those. Do you think this is not a successful operation !? The hostages were released, there were no losses, bandits were in prison, no assault was required, is that bad? Or do you need meat with shooting and more bloodshed? Understand, the assault is an extreme measure, when nothing else is left; otherwise, all other means are used to free the hostages and force the terrorists to surrender.
        2. g1v2
          g1v2 22 November 2015 11: 00 New
          +6
          Stop spitting. Kaptsov is a fan of the United States and Britain, and his natural desire to spit in our direction is hardly surprising. But this is a great chance for those who want to increase their level of debater to engage in fencing with the enemy. In my opinion, Kaptsov is a pretty good sparring partner for developing the level of rhetoric. It is possible that this is his task on the site - to cause irritation and engage in disputes that increase interest in the site.
        3. Don karleone
          Don karleone 22 November 2015 18: 33 New
          +2
          Dear, forgive me, but ugh on you hi

          ugh on you again
      2. WUA 518
        WUA 518 22 November 2015 08: 04 New
        +5
        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
        Terrorist attack on Dubrovka - from 130 to 174 dead hostages, up to 700 wounded

        The total number of hostages, according to various sources, is 913–916. 700 injured? Wounded by whom or by what? The total number of claims of victims 159.
        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
        Beslan - 333 dead (19 security officials and the Ministry of Emergencies, 17 teachers, the remaining 300 - children), 783 wounded

        There’s nothing to talk about, the details of the capture and assault are known.
        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
        They besieged the building for several days. And only by a miracle they detained a leaving car with bandits.

        Before the assault, a sapper was changed, who hesitated with the detonation, and only one bomb exploded in the RAF. The door of the isolation ward was blown up by "Vityaz", which also failed to blow it up the first time, on Karpukhin's command, Alpha moved to help Vityaz.
        1. Santa Fe
          Santa Fe 22 November 2015 08: 08 New
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          Quote: WUA 518
          Wounded 700? Wounded by whom or by what?

          The main number of victims - tear gas poisoning
          Quote: WUA 518
          Before the assault, a sapper was changed, who hesitated with the detonation, and only one bomb exploded in the RAF. The door of the isolation ward was blown up by "Vityaz", which also failed to blow it up the first time, on Karpukhin's command, Alpha moved to help Vityaz.

          Carefully necessary, all these micro-explosions, snipers and assault weapons are the basis of their work
          1. WUA 518
            WUA 518 22 November 2015 08: 51 New
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            Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
            The main number of victims - tear gas poisoning

            Are you serious?
          2. igorka357
            igorka357 22 November 2015 09: 00 New
            +4
            You can read the reviews of foreign specialists about our Alpha, so I tend to trust them much more than the specialist in opposing the armor-shell ... battleship-destroyer ..)))) !!!
            1. alexej123
              alexej123 22 November 2015 23: 34 New
              +1
              Bravo, and on the subject of the Navy - complete nonsense.
          3. Ugrumiy
            Ugrumiy 22 November 2015 09: 28 New
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            Well, first of all, there was not tear gas, but a special device used in such a massive order FOR THE FIRST TIME! Secondly, the bulk of the victims suffered precisely from the consequences of its use, but this was not the fault of group "A", but of those who were in charge of the operation as a whole, ambulances were not allowed in, there was no antidote in sufficient quantities, in addition, some of the hostages did not the organism survived, weakened by being held captive by the terrorists, and so on. By the way, some of the "alphas" themselves suffered from this special means, when they pulled the hostages out of the hall with their hands. During the assault, i.e. not a single hostage was injured directly during the implementation of the combat action by group "A" and all terrorists were destroyed, and the IED was not detonated. So even foreign specialists consider the operation in Nord-Ost to be very successful and effective.
            Again, both Nord-Ost and Beslan are actions from the wheels, in Beslan in general thanks to our "hands of drivers" the guys could not even work out the plan of the assault, they immediately had to go to the assault.
            And now compare "Bataklan", the theater is not mined, there are only three terrorists and they have only automatic weapons, a relatively small number of hostages (compared to Beslan and Dubrovka), and at the same time a hundred killed and the storming people suffered losses.
            You are respected, if not in the subject, it is better not to write nonsense.
            1. denis02135
              denis02135 24 November 2015 08: 22 New
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              Dear Ugrumiy
              In Bataklan, if you do not know, they began to shoot hostages immediately after the capture, without putting forward any conditions, which is why there are so many victims. Nord-Ost (three days with the opportunity to study the building and train on an identical object) and Beslan for three days there was a floor plan and knowledge of where the explosive devices are located, and this is what you call the action from the wheels, what you will call the action of the French without preparation.
              The hostage taking at 9:50 the assault began at 12:20, two hours 30 minutes, the assault lasted three minutes.
              Before throwing stones ........

              I do not say that ours are less professional and efficient than the French, but be objective.
          4. olegff68
            olegff68 22 November 2015 10: 00 New
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            Would you fill up your "mouth" .....
            I read yellow newspapers and pretend to be an "expert" here on specials. operations.
            I will not substantiate or prove anything to you ....
            The format of the resource does not allow, I would say to you, the general of the sofa - where is the place for you.
            About the vast majority of operations that were carried out and are being carried out with the participation of Alpha, we will never know, and geography there is the whole planet.
            Trying to poke us at Alpha's "failures", take the trouble to figure out whose failures it was, because those who want to make themselves regular shoulder straps, authority and extraordinary from the top, flock to such emergencies like flies on shit ... (Chernomyrdin in Budenovsk).
            Digest, dear.
          5. Saburov
            Saburov 22 November 2015 11: 15 New
            +4
            Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
            The main number of victims - tear gas poisoning

            For this discrepancy only two to you, the gas was nerve-paralytic based on fentanyl.
          6. neri73-r
            neri73-r 22 November 2015 21: 06 New
            +2
            Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
            Quote: WUA 518
            Wounded 700? Wounded by whom or by what?
            The main number of victims - tear gas poisoning



            The point here is not the gas and the actions of the special forces (the special forces on Dubrovka worked five and a half), the problem was the actions of the doctors and those who organized the first medical aid, they did not know how to lay down people and they were suffocating!
            1. SlavaP
              SlavaP 22 November 2015 22: 44 New
              +4
              At Nord-Ost, Alpha worked accurately and professionally - 40 armed and mined terrorists were eliminated. And the dead hostages are the fault of the rescuers and doctors: I myself saw the footage from there as the suffocating people were dragged face up! Any paramedic knows what is needed either on the side or on the shoulder with a face down "fire grip". There, most of the dead simply suffocated.
            2. naitchanter
              naitchanter 23 November 2015 14: 17 New
              0
              People were carried out and laid down correctly, face down. "Compassionate" onlookers turned them on their backs and people died of suffocation. A sunken tongue blocked the larynx.
          7. datur
            datur 22 November 2015 21: 33 New
            0
            and according to your loss, this is 0 ???? you did not sit in the catapomps, 40 years ??? belay
            1. Throw
              Throw 22 November 2015 22: 14 New
              +6

              SWEET_SIXTEEN
              The main number of victims - tear gas poisoning

              What tear, armadillo you are ours in the dark ...

              The main causes of death were:
              -poorly organized medical care as a result of the general mess, which was pumped up by human rights defenders of all sorts and crowds of idlers
              - a severe reaction of the hostages to the applied gas due to almost three-day immobility, which led to stagnation in the tissues, and no one could predict this, but there was no time for clinical trials!

              Thanks to "Alpha," it did not burst there, although they were preparing for this - I personally saw how a bunch of equipment was driven into the area to clear the rubble ..
              The operation was included in training programs for anti-terror groups around the world, as their leaders spoke directly.

              PS
              For those interested in the history of group A, I recommend the book "Alpha did not want to kill" 1995.
          8. alexej123
            alexej123 22 November 2015 23: 33 New
            -1
            So mister nerdy go instructor, or weak?
      3. The lead
        The lead 22 November 2015 08: 43 New
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        In 91g and 93g, the Alpha group supported the traitor Yeltsin. The position of this elite unit then was of great importance, their decisive actions could turn the tide, they could become a center of attraction for other patriotic officers of the KGB, the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the army. Much of the fault lies with the employees of this group in the collapse of the USSR, the liberal state policy held in the 90s in the Russian Federation and liberal in subsequent years. No one’s name should be forgotten, neither a hero nor a traitor. Time will come, everyone will be rewarded.
        1. Ugrumiy
          Ugrumiy 22 November 2015 09: 32 New
          +9
          Alfa did not support Yeltsin, for which, in fact, it was ruined and disbanded by him, while a lot of experienced officers left for civilian life. The same applies to Vympel, the old staff of which was almost completely transferred to the Ministry of Internal Affairs, in connection with which, again, people quit.
          1. The lead
            The lead 22 November 2015 09: 38 New
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            Quote: Ugrumiy
            Alfa did not support Yeltsin
            No need to fantasize, invent new myths, as the same LEKHA does. The Alpha group supported Yeltsin — this is a well-known fact that can be easily verified.
            1. WUA 518
              WUA 518 22 November 2015 09: 51 New
              +6
              Quote: Lead
              The Alpha group supported Yeltsin - this is a well-known fact.

              How did she support him? The fact that she did not go to the assault contrary to Yeltsin's orders? Did she just walk into the white house and eat everyone? Before that, a sniper shot one of the Alpha employees, 29-year-old Gennady Sergeev. At that moment, when the junior lieutenant was saving the wounded, a bullet hit him in a part of his body unprotected by a bulletproof vest. He settled down, having only managed to tell his colleague Yu.N. Torshin: "Yuri Nikolaevich, it seems, was hooked ..." Torshin dragged Gennady into one of the compartments of the armored vehicle, injected an anesthetic. There was an ambulance and doctors nearby. For some time, the powerful organism fought death. Later, the pathologist who performed the autopsy wondered how it was possible to live with such a serious wound for seven whole minutes.
              1. The lead
                The lead 22 November 2015 19: 39 New
                -5
                Quote: WUA 518
                How did she support him? So that did not go on the assault contrary to the order of Yeltsin? AND
                Hmm, Goebbels is resting, so to distort the facts, it must be able to. It seems that people live in the looking glass, they themselves invented. Think it is necessary, at least sometimes. So: 91years, the Alpha group does not follow the orders of the chairman of the KGB of the USSR Kryuchkov, thereby on violation of his oath, he enters the White House, which is Yeltsin’s residence and is preparing to repel an assault on army units. 93, the Alpha group occupies Ostankino and OPENS THE FIRE FOR DEATH on Rutsky’s supporters who tried to occupy Ostankino, there are numerous victims. field, without truth and conscience. So turn everything inside out, make heroes of traitors ...
                1. avia1991
                  avia1991 22 November 2015 22: 03 New
                  0
                  Quote: Lead
                  .93yr, the Alpha group occupies Ostankino and OPEN THE FIRE TO DESTROY on supporters of Rutsky who tried to occupy Ostankino

                  OPEN, FACE LIES! You, man, do not sprinkle bile here - people have both eyes and ears, and that attempt to distort the facts that you are making will not work HERE. "Minus 100" hi
                  1. The lead
                    The lead 22 November 2015 23: 06 New
                    -4
                    Quote: avia1991
                    OUTDOOR, GLOSSY LIES!
                    Listen, give at least one proof of my innocence, you are thrown into sweeping accusations that there is a BLAND slander. We have today open day for provocateurs laughing ?
                    Quote: avia1991
                    an attempt to distort the facts
                    It is you who distort the facts without even bothering to substantiate your dirty accusations.
                    Quote: avia1991
                    HERE will not pass
                    I don’t give a damn where you won’t pass, but you don’t hide the truth or distort the truth. The employees of Alpha 91 and 93 are TRAITORS, like Yeltsin, Gorbachev and other shelupon. And like you defending the traitors, apparently one fields of berry with Vlasovites, you also probably have a snout in the cannon, you probably ran screaming Urya-Yeltsin.
                    1. avia1991
                      avia1991 23 November 2015 01: 47 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Lead
                      such as you protecting traitors of apparently the same field as the berry with the Vlasovites, you probably also had a stigma in the cannon;

                      Unlike people like you (by the way, a personal appeal is written with a BIG letter - do you know Russian?), I did not run anywhere except the places of deployment of my military unit. And before throwing unfounded accusations like "traitor", you should think with brains, which you seem to lack - because when on a site like VO, the overwhelming majority expresses a unanimous opinion, the thinking person in your place understands that it is rather HE "DOES NOT GO INTO THE FOOT - AND NOT THE WHOLE PLOT"!
                      1. Sling cutter
                        Sling cutter 23 November 2015 02: 01 New
                        +3
                        Quote: avia1991
                        avia1991

                        Do not be angry with the Vedun, he is a little mistaken.
                        In an era of betrayal, everyone seems to be traitors.
                        It most likely speaks of an offense at all against officers and higher officers, including those who did not fulfill their oath in relation to the USSR.
                        It’s just that many were afraid of responsibility, and even middle and junior officers didn’t know ...
                        We all understand that there is no blood on Alpha, and Alpha’s non-concealment later turned into its disbandment by the Eltsin!
                      2. The lead
                        The lead 23 November 2015 20: 36 New
                        -1
                        Quote: Stroporez
                        He is a little mistaken.
                        We are all mistaken in something, but compared to you, I am mistaken to a much lesser extent.
                        Quote: Stroporez
                        In an era of betrayal, everyone seems to be traitors.
                        You are mistaken, it’s not about appearances or illusions. We are talking about a very concrete betrayal of them all can be listed by name.
                        Quote: Stroporez
                        Resentment rather speaks in it
                        This is not an insult, but rather anger, righteous anger laughing .
                        Quote: Stroporez
                        Just many were afraid of responsibility
                        No, they all wanted to go to a capitalist paradise at all costs, even at the cost of the death of the USSR.
                        Quote: Stroporez
                        that there is no blood on Alpha
                        What's the difference on whom the blood is: Vityaz or Alpha, the main thing is blood. They all knew that civil wars would start, rivers of blood would be shed, everyone did not give a damn about it, loot and rags are more important in the capitalist "paradise".
                      3. Sling cutter
                        Sling cutter 23 November 2015 21: 39 New
                        0
                        Quote: Lead
                        The lead

                        I'm trying to show you who is here who ...
                        You read the comments of opponents, a lot of things will be revealed to you and the attitude will become clear.
                        Don't get excited
                      4. The lead
                        The lead 23 November 2015 22: 23 New
                        -1
                        Quote: Stroporez
                        You read the comments of opponents, a lot of things will be revealed to you and the attitude will become clear
                        In my opinion, my position is very clear. The comments of the opponents are such a Sharikov trolling of the Urya-patriots (I do not want to say a good word about them).
                        Quote: Stroporez
                        I'm trying to show you who is here who ...
                        What do you want to say by this? If you write something in PM.
                        Quote: Stroporez
                        Don't get excited
                        My comments are weighted in content. And the answers to aggressive boors, arrogant and arrogant dummies will be appropriate, they do not understand another language, and they will perceive silence as a manifestation of my weakness and my own rightness.
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                2. The lead
                  The lead 23 November 2015 08: 22 New
                  -1
                  Quote: avia1991
                  a thinking person in your place understands that it is rather HE "DOES NOT GO INTO THE FOOT - AND NOT THE WHOLE PLAYBACK"!
                  This is a vivid example of herd consciousness, the lack of independent and independent thinking. When you don’t have your own head on your shoulders, people like you and become a platoon consisting entirely of shrill cheers-patriots. I, of course, have such a platoon out of the way. supported patriots.
      4. family tree
        family tree 22 November 2015 09: 52 New
        +5
        Quote: Lead
        .Group Alpha supported Yeltsin is a well-known fact.

        They did not support anyone in that situevina, they simply refused, and they did it right, they were sharpened on antiterror, and not on political showdowns with a half-drunk crowd of their own, which they must defend, according to the oath.
        Alpha Group
        "BUT"
        1. Same lech
          Same lech 22 November 2015 10: 41 New
          +2
          They did not support anyone in that situevina, they simply refused, and they did it right, they were sharpened on antiterror, and not on political showdowns with a half-drunk crowd of their own, which they must defend, according to the oath.


          Exactly ... here in the photo you can clearly see how the ALFA fighters behave
          1. family tree
            family tree 22 November 2015 13: 50 New
            +1
            Quote: The same LYOKHA
            Exactly ... here in the photo you can clearly see how the ALFA fighters behave

            Lesh, the 91st and 93rd do not confuse, but what .
            They ranged from the 76th to the 91st for GB, and then what is their name ...
          2. The lead
            The lead 22 November 2015 19: 41 New
            -3
            Quote: The same LYOKHA
            Exactly ... here in the photo you can clearly see how the ALFA fighters behave
            How are they behaving here ??? Whose side did they take ??? Open your eyes at last. They stood on the side of Yeltsin and shot and killed Rutsky’s supporters.
            1. avia1991
              avia1991 22 November 2015 22: 08 New
              +1
              Quote: Lead
              killed the supporters of Rutsky

              By the way, I recommend: ask Rutsky? He is with us so far. Or will you not believe him?
              But he personally mentioned this situation. wassat , and his words with your "version" WELL DO NOT KNIT!
              1. The lead
                The lead 22 November 2015 22: 43 New
                -2
                Quote: avia1991
                ask Rutsky?
                If you are not at all aware of the events of that period, then ask at least Rutsky.
                1. avia1991
                  avia1991 23 November 2015 01: 42 New
                  0
                  Quote: Lead
                  If you are not at all aware of events of that period

                  How are you "in the subject"? I didn’t see any reasoned justification ..
        2. The lead
          The lead 22 November 2015 19: 57 New
          -1
          Quote: perepilka
          They didn’t support anyone in that situevina,
          You will first understand the situation, and then insert your opinion. Look at the photo below, this is clear evidence that alpha sided with Yeltsin.
      5. Ugrumiy
        Ugrumiy 22 November 2015 10: 08 New
        +4
        So check it out, talk to the veterans, read the documents, maybe then your eyes will open. There was no support, there was healthy neutrality and the understanding that an armed clash could not be allowed otherwise the meat would be. The soldiers were persistently pushed to the assault, but they did not go, for which they later paid with "favors" from Boryan the Alkonaut.
        1. The lead
          The lead 22 November 2015 19: 53 New
          -3
          Quote: Ugrumiy
          So check, talk with veterans, read the documents, maybe then r
          I was a contemporary of the events that were covered in detail in the media, so I don’t need to ask anyone or rummage through the documents.
          Quote: Ugrumiy
          was healthy neutrality
          There was no neutrality, do not give the wish for the real. Gr. Alpha unequivocally sided with Yeltsin in 91g and 93g. Here is the photo above, where it is clear that the Alfovites being on the side of Yeltsin came to negotiations after the barbaric shelling of the White House.
          Quote: Ugrumiy
          that later they paid with "favors" from Boryan the Alkonaut.
          They were dispersed, because they betrayed once, they could betray in the second, from such traitors at all times they quickly got rid of them.
      6. Same lech
        Same lech 22 November 2015 10: 32 New
        +3
        No need to fantasize, invent new myths, as the same LEKHA does. The Alpha group supported Yeltsin


        Yeah ... who fantasizes is still a big question ...
        if there is anyone from ALFA of those years to NVO ... please tell us first hand how it really was.

        And I remember very well what was pouring from the zomboyaschik in those years, and that I don’t remember that ALPHA smeared herself with the blood of our citizens, from which then I will not wash myself forever, unlike the same drunkard YELTSIN, who decided to take GROZNY with one regiment.
        1. The lead
          The lead 22 November 2015 19: 49 New
          -4
          Quote: The same LYOKHA
          And I remember very well what poured from the zombies in those years and that I don’t remember that ALPHA smeared itself with the blood of our citizens
          And I remember very well and don’t need to powder people’s brains if you are so forgetful.
        2. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 22 November 2015 23: 53 New
          +3
          Quote: The same LYOKHA
          unlike the same drunkard YELTSIN, who decided to take GROZNY with one regiment.

          It was a rook-stratech, just a 91-year-old Judas.
      7. user3970
        user3970 22 November 2015 18: 45 New
        +8
        I will answer Vedunu. I personally know the officers of "Alpha" acting at that time. At one of the gatherings over a glass of tea in the kitchen of one of the former leaders at that time, the guys admitted that they would have cut the whole company of Yeltsin and Co., but only having a written order in their hands, remembering the group's betrayal during the Vilnius events.
        1. The lead
          The lead 22 November 2015 19: 47 New
          -3
          Quote: user3970
          but only having a written order in hand, remembering the group’s betrayal in the process of Vilnius events.
          This means that Alpha employees were offended and found an excuse for their betrayal. Well, the motives cleared up.
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      9. avia1991
        avia1991 22 November 2015 21: 59 New
        +2
        Quote: Lead
        The Alpha group supported Yeltsin — a well-known fact that can be easily verified.

        With such a nickname - and do not "know"!
        I remember this moment well, and one of my colleagues, who appeared next to the White House in Moscow, confirmed when he returned to the unit: THE ALPHA'S FIGHTERS REFUSED TO STORM THE WHITE HOUSE! This is really easy to verify, and this information appeared in the media immediately after the conflict ended. And then there was the disbandment of "Alpha", which the FSB carried out only formally, "hiding" elite fighters in "ordinary" units, for the time being.
        ..The impression is that a person is itching unrealized ambitions of "spetsnaz" orientation, and thus he tries to "take revenge" on "Alpha" .. somehow childishly request
        1. The lead
          The lead 22 November 2015 22: 40 New
          -3
          Quote: avia1991
          who turned out to be near the White House in Moscow, confirmed when he returned to the unit: "ALPHA" FIGHTERS REFUSED TO STORM THE WHITE HOUSE!
          Is everything normal with your head? And what is the storming of the White House in 93 here? The main thing is that Alpha was on the side of Yeltsin in 91 when she defended the White House, and in 93 when I WAS THE FIRE FOR BATTLE in Ostankino. I’m ready for a constructive dialogue, you’ll only have idle talk with you, not supported by anything and not based on anything, but you can only dream of constructiveness.
          1. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 22 November 2015 22: 51 New
            +3
            Quote: Lead
            , and in 93g, when the fire was fought in Ostankino.

            In Ostankino there was "Pennant".
            Quote: Lead
            The main thing is that Alpha was on the side of Yeltsin in 91 when she defended the White House

            There was no such!
            "Alpha" was given an order to liquidate the Eltsin at the dacha, when the fighters took up positions, an order was received to let the Eltsin into the capital .., the fighters were ...
            1. The lead
              The lead 22 November 2015 23: 20 New
              -2
              Quote: Stroporez
              In Ostankino there was "Pennant".
              As far as I remember, it was Alpha.
              Quote: Stroporez
              There was no such!
              Then they showed interviews to an alpha employee sitting in the White House in anticipation of an approaching army convoy. One way or another, it’s all particular, the Alpha group backed Yeltsin in 91 and did not support the GKChP, whose orders she was obliged to fulfill, thereby not violating the oath, which led to the collapse of the USSR, they were aware of what was happening, but they didn’t even lift a finger to save the country. Similarly, in 93g the Alpha group could go over to the side of Rutsky and save the country from the liberal course of plundering the country, but again remained faithful to Yeltsin. All this is betrayal.
              1. avia1991
                avia1991 23 November 2015 02: 10 New
                +1
                Quote: Lead
                Similarly, in 93, the Alpha group could go over to the side of Rutsky and save the country from the liberal course

                That is, the Alfovites had to violate the allegiance to the Oath, having sided with the rebels, and take part in the political struggle, which contradicts both the functions of this unit and the tasks of law enforcement agencies, in principle!
                You yourself understand that is there no logic in this logic?
                1. The lead
                  The lead 23 November 2015 05: 29 New
                  0
                  Quote: avia1991
                  That is, the Alfovites had to violate the allegiance to the Oath by going over to the side of the rebels, and
                  Everyone has a civic duty to prevent a crime that is committed before his eyes. Especially when it comes to a person with epaulets and oath. Let us imagine a situation: a woman is raped in front of a policeman, what are his actions? He is waiting for orders from his superiors, he picks up his cell phone and calls, like so and so violence is committed, what to do? What will be the reaction of the boss? You are fired, that will be the answer. Downs in the police have nothing to do. Now, let’s take a look at the situation in 91 years, when the Warsaw bloc collapsed before that, our allies indulged in the West, the State Department surrendered one position after another, when tobacco and alcohol coupons were introduced inside the country, wishing to cause discontent among the people with the social system. Is there a crime in this? One of the people in uniform opposed no. Then, finally, in 91 the State Emergency Committee appeared, with the task of removing the hunchback and saving the country, in response, Yeltsin seizes power in the country and announces the collapse of the USSR. The question is, where were all these people in uniform, why they did nothing to prevent the crime, why they did not follow the orders of the State Emergency Committee, but began to comply with Yeltsin, accepting the collapse of their homeland as an innocuous fact. Special forces officers betrayed the homeland without speaking in its defense, they were the first and last frontier of defense, they had all the information, but did nothing to save the USSR. But you cling to particulars, for the commas in my statements and flogging outright nonsense. In 93g the same precedent Special forces carried out the work, when it was already clear to all the people what kind of criminal pool Yeltsin plunged into the country, what were the tragic consequences of the collapse of the USSR. Let it not Alfa open fire at Ostankino, but was Vityaz, what does this change? and Alpha stained itself with blood in Ostankino. And the Alpha group, why were its commanders in Yeltsin’s office, not Rutsky’s? What did they not understand who destroyed the USSR and destroys the Russian Federation, that Gorbachev and Yeltsin are criminals? All that you say here it’s babble. Such as you were naive, confused and short-sighted then in 91 and 93 you allowed the greatest crime to happen, somewhere criminal inaction, somewhere frank cooperation with criminals. Shame on you all.
                2. The lead
                  The lead 23 November 2015 06: 02 New
                  0
                  Quote: avia1991
                  is there no logic in this logic?
                  It is your logic that is completely absent.
                  Quote: avia1991
                  Alfovites had to violate allegiance to the Oath
                  Alfovites had to do everything possible to save the country.
                  Quote: avia1991
                  take part in the political struggle,
                  They chose the side in 93g, became participants in the political confrontation: its commanders were in the office of Yeltsin, not Rutsky.
                  Quote: avia1991
                  going over to the side of the rebels
                  Rutskoi wanted to save the country — all the people knew that, and alpha went to Yeltsin, who destroyed the USSR and destroyed the Russian Federation, so he was a criminal.
                3. Nekarmadlen
                  Nekarmadlen 23 November 2015 13: 20 New
                  +3
                  In August of the 1991 of the year, Rutskoi was vice president and, together with Yeltsin, was in the White House and participated in his defense (if you could call it that) ... A huge number of Muscovites and hundreds of thousands of people who came from other regions were on duty around the White House , just fearing that they could arrest or kill Yeltsin ... Yeltsin’s rating at that time was much higher than Putin’s rating now, and it’s not a fact that arresting or daring Yeltsin would save the USSR, most likely it could cause a civil war .... Such it was a difficult time ((((Everyone wanted a change ...
                4. The lead
                  The lead 23 November 2015 20: 06 New
                  0
                  Quote: Nekarmadlen
                  Everyone wanted a change ...
                  True, the subversive anti-Soviet activity affected the entire Soviet people. The State Emergency Committee had to make full use of the media resources, it was necessary to deploy aggressive round-the-clock propaganda, it was possible to really change the consciousness of people in a short time, it was necessary to spend a few lards on the purchase of consumer goods and saturate everything with them. shops, but instead the people saw the ballet swan lake and shaking hands. However, all this cannot be an excuse for betraying the Motherland. Only the State Emergency Committee was for the unity of the USSR, Yeltsin was for the collapse, it was known to the KGB officers, but they deliberately made their choice for Yeltsin, the collapse of the USSR and the transformation of Russia into a capitalist "paradise".
                  Quote: Nekarmadlen
                  the arrest or dare of Yeltsin would have saved the USSR, most likely this could have caused the Civil War.
                  Of course, there wouldn’t be any civil war. Here I completely disagree with you. Yeltsin was popular because everyone hoped that he would put the country on a capitalist track. If officers of all power structures supported the State Emergency Committee and the preservation of the USSR, and Gorbachev and Yeltsin was arrested and put on trial, no one would have pickled, and demonstrations of protest could not have any effect on the course of events. I would repeat that it was necessary to saturate the shops with goods and explain to people that the deficit in the past was created artificially by traitors to the homeland to discredit the socialist system and restoration capitalism. All sabotaging the government’s program are removed and judged.
                  Quote: Nekarmadlen
                  A huge number of Muscovites and those who came from other regions (hundreds of thousands of people) were on duty around the White House, just fearing that they could arrest or kill Yeltsin.
                  For special forces, all this is not an obstacle, especially when the existence of the Motherland is at stake. Yeltsin and Gorbachev were necessary and could be arrested and tried.
            2. The lead
              The lead 23 November 2015 07: 48 New
              -2
              Quote: avia1991
              should have violated allegiance to the oath
              They gave the oath to the homeland and the people whom they refused to save, thereby violating it and becoming traitors.
        2. alexej123
          alexej123 22 November 2015 23: 50 New
          +2
          Stroporez, we made a mistake - there was "Vityaz" in Ostankino.
          1. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 22 November 2015 23: 56 New
            +1
            One hundred sorry, made a reservation from nerves drinks , the language was the special forces of the Ministry of Internal Affairs hi
            In the main, I was not mistaken, group "A" was not there yes
            1. alexej123
              alexej123 23 November 2015 00: 03 New
              +1
              It’s accepted that you communicate with such people and don’t get taxed like that.
            2. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 23 November 2015 00: 14 New
              +1
              Quote: alexej123
              It’s accepted that you communicate with such people and don’t get taxed like that.

              heh, sometimes they write this ..., the liver will not accept so much vodka lol
              But from the other side a shot from RPGeshki flew to Vityaz? flew in!, put a fighter! where from? question!
              The hero opened fire on the people, armored personnel carriers increased ...
              As for Alpha, I have a double opinion:
              on the one hand, there is no blood on them.
              on the other hand, the USSR took the oath, well, in the 91st, they could act in accordance with the oath .... and it would be easier to take Eltsin than Amin’s palace and then there would be a different, normal life ...
              And now we have what we have ...
            3. The lead
              The lead 23 November 2015 08: 13 New
              -1
              Quote: Stroporez
              heh, sometimes they write this ..., the liver will not accept so much vodka
              But from the other side a shot from RPGeshki flew to Vityaz? flew in!, put a fighter! where from? question!
              It’s very funny, just laughs. You write with such indifference bordering on cynicism about this tragic period in the history of Russia. For the most part, the people are adequate, but there is always an active part of militant cheers and liberals who climb into all cracks like cockroaches, so the impact on the processes in the country is decisive.
              Quote: Stroporez
              on the one hand, there is no blood on them.
              Well, yes, but the collapse of the USSR, civil wars, the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people, millions of unborn children, it doesn’t have anything to do with the special forces and the KGB of the USSR, they were put flowers on their homeland.
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            5. alexej123
              alexej123 23 November 2015 13: 04 New
              -2
              "Everyone thinks they are a strategist when they see the battle on TV." What exactly did you do for the country so that all this would not happen?
  • alexej123
    alexej123 22 November 2015 23: 42 New
    +1
    Mr. "VEDUN" - you correctly answered a know-it-all like Kaptsov - in Ostankino there was a special forces of the Interior Ministry "Vityaz", commander SI Lysyuk. Enough balabol, you are our sofa.
    1. The lead
      The lead 23 November 2015 08: 32 New
      -3
      Quote: alexej123
      Stop balabolit, you are our sofa.
      Close your mouth.
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      2. alexej123
        alexej123 23 November 2015 09: 12 New
        0
        You I look rude right and left. Not worth it. When you carry nonsense for Ostankino, at least look at Wikipedia. Strategist, Mlyn.
        1. The lead
          The lead 23 November 2015 09: 46 New
          -2
          Quote: alexej123
          When you carry nonsense for Ostankino, at least look at Wikipedia
          Go read Wikipedia further or suck a lollipop.
        2. alexej123
          alexej123 23 November 2015 13: 01 New
          0
          Disrespectful, what I like about VO is that people here communicate without insults. I think you are confused. You would with such an approach to the Ukrainian "Censor". I repeat once again - you shouldn't be rude if you can't prove your point of view and you're talking nonsense. I consider it beneath my dignity to enter into bickering of the “myself” type with this type. I have the honor.
        3. The lead
          The lead 23 November 2015 20: 14 New
          -2
          Quote: alexej123
          Disrespectful, what I like about VO is that people here communicate without insults. I think you are confused. You would with such an approach to the Ukrainian "Censor"
          Listen here. I expressed my point of view on the events taking place in 91,93. In response, a flock of some ury-patriotic crows flew in and started vying to lie: they say the special forces acted on the side of the people and did not support Yeltsin, and the Vedun type is an enemy of the people who defamed the glorious sons of the fatherland, there were minuses, downgrade, switch to you, insults. You all started, not me. So I repeat: shut your mouth.
        4. alexej123
          alexej123 24 November 2015 11: 47 New
          +1
          Firstly, no need to Poke, I didn’t drink vodka with YOU, I didn’t baptize children and I hope I won’t. YOU began to refer to false information, I considered it necessary to indicate the correct information. The fact that YOU have your own view of those events is your business and I have nothing against it, "In Russia, everyone goes crazy in their own way." And lastly, boors are usually thrashed in a scoreboard, one, two, until they learn to communicate culturally, and even more so among officers. I think that this fate has passed you, because you did not belong to this environment. If you want to talk "on a hairdryer" - it's not worth it, I will just ..forget YOU and "tear up a hot water bottle like a tuzik". In my service experience, I talked to people who were not like that, only then they turned on the "back" and crawled "on the cyrly". UNDERSTOOD ME?
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  • avia1991
    avia1991 23 November 2015 02: 05 New
    +2
    Quote: Lead
    Alpha was on the side of Yeltsin in 91

    If you, being a "contemporary of those events", do not remember nichrome, sorry, then I will tell you: on August 19, 1991, the GKChP members who arbitrarily seized power and tried to force the President of the USSR to give up their powers were traitors! Well, WHO, in this case, broke the Oath ?!
    Yeltsin, at the time of the Emergency Committee, was ANYONE, and his name was NO! He received support not from army units, but from idle Muscovites! And if you are one of these "maskwiches", then your behavior is understandable and not surprising.
    And after Yazov withdrew the troops from the capital, the role of the army and "specialists" was generally leveled to "neutral". WHERE AND HOW THE ALFA GROUP SUPPORTED YELTSIN IN THE 91st? TELL ME? Public statements, violent actions, agitation, something else? WHERE AND HOW DOES IT EXPRESSED? DATA?
    1. The lead
      The lead 23 November 2015 08: 39 New
      -2
      Quote: avia1991
      force the President of the USSR to give up his authority! Well, and who, in this case, violated the Oath ?!
      What computers were brought into the clinics for down here and connected to the Internet? I’ll explain it is incurable, everything can’t reach them. The KGB officers and special forces violated the oath by not protesting the Motherland and preventing the collapse of the USSR.
    2. Nekarmadlen
      Nekarmadlen 23 November 2015 13: 23 New
      +2
      Yeltsin in the 1991 year was the popularly elected president of the RSFSR and had a very high rating ... In the elections, he received about 70 percent, Ryzhkov about 15, and Zhirinovsky 5 or 7))))))))
      1. avia1991
        avia1991 25 November 2015 22: 33 New
        0
        Quote: Nekarmadlen
        Yeltsin in 1991 was the popularly elected president of the RSFSR
        It was all then! And on August 19, 1991, he headed the Supreme Council of the RSFSR, and had nothing to do with the post of head of state - therefore, no security officials had the right to obey him.
        1. Sergej1972
          Sergej1972 30 November 2015 11: 58 New
          0
          Security officials were not required to obey. In addition to those who were subordinate to the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the RSFSR, and it already existed since 1990. In fact, he was elected President of the RSFSR on June 12, 1991, so on August 19, 1991 he was president of the largest union republic of the USSR. Vice-President was elected Rutskoi. And the Supreme Council of the RSFSR on August 19, 1991 was headed by R. Khasbulatov.
  • Ugrumiy
    Ugrumiy 23 November 2015 15: 42 New
    +1
    He is not "Wizard", he is "Harmful" yes
    1. The lead
      The lead 23 November 2015 20: 16 New
      0
      Quote: Ugrumiy
      He is not "Wizard", he is "Harmful"
      Hey you, go do your homework. Moody is like being offended or because offended laughing ?
      1. Ugrumiy
        Ugrumiy 24 November 2015 14: 56 New
        +1
        Moody is because I don’t even laugh at clowns like you, and I don’t have to do any lessons, I have already survived this time. And I’ll ask you to stay within the framework of normal communication, and not to be rude, to familiarize yourself and to pour insults at everyone and everything.
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  • Same lech
    Same lech 22 November 2015 10: 29 New
    +2
    In 91g and 93g, the Alpha group supported the traitor Yeltsin.


    No need to tell a lie ... here people are informed and are not being led to such bullshit ...

    Yeltsin looked around with an inquisitive gaze:

    - Comrades officers, please sit down.

    Barsukov warned Yeltsin in advance about the mood of the group. Boris Nikolayevich made a brief speech. But before this stern voice asked the commanders:

    - Will you follow the order of the President?

    In response, a frightening silence.


    Read it ...
    http://topwar.ru/34362-alfa-i-vympel-na-lezvii-grazhdanskoy-voyny.html
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 22 November 2015 10: 51 New
      +2
      4 October 1993 Group A officer Sergei Ilyich Fyodorov and his comrades withdrew nearly four hundred people from the House of Soviets from the Brokeback Bridge.

      Here's another...


      People were afraid that they would open fire. And then Fedorov left the entrance and removed the armored sphere from his head:

      “If someone is to be shot, it’s me, not you, unarmed.”

      It seems to me that Sergei Ilyich answered what kind of inner spiritual core allowed the Group “A” to pass along the razor's edge and not fall into the bloody orgy.



      It was YELTSIN who wanted the blood of these people and the ALFA commander turned out to be a decent person who did not take upon himself the sin of murder because of these politicians.
      1. user3970
        user3970 22 November 2015 19: 09 New
        +3
        Once again, I'll kick the line, sorry. Purely by chance, I ended up in the kitchen of a retired employee just in those damned days. A friend's apartment in the Center. A current employee drops in and asks for advice, "Alexey, give me some advice on what to do? We need to take over duty, and they shoot at the White House. (I must say that the person asking for advice at that time was one of the president's personal bodyguards). Advice was given:" Do not go! "Objection:" Loss of the queue for an apartment, desertion. "Advice:" Do not go, they will kill. "He left for the service. At the service he was chained to a battery (no matter what he did." Later he was freed from captivity by a group Dismissed from service Later, after YOBN left, he was Abramovich's bodyguard as governor of Chukotka 9th department of the KGB.
      2. The lead
        The lead 22 November 2015 20: 08 New
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        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        ALFA commander turned out to be a decent man
        Who shot Rutsky’s supporters at Ostankino in 93. Why did Alfa side with Yeltsin in 91 and 93 and did not support the GKChP and Rutsky, respectively?
        1. avia1991
          avia1991 22 November 2015 22: 15 New
          +3
          Quote: Lead
          Why in 91 and 93 did Alpha side with Yeltsin and did not support the GKChP and Rutsky, respectively?

          Brad.
          The anti-terrorist special unit DOES NOT DO political "showdown". AND SHOULD NOT. And the attempts of Rutskoy and Yeltsin to brandish "power truncheons", trying to win over these or those security officials - this is a real crime!
          To participate in which "ALPHA" REFUSED. And here you can lie as long as you like - historical Truth will not change from this!
          1. The lead
            The lead 22 November 2015 22: 37 New
            -5
            Quote: avia1991
            Delirium
            What exactly is nonsense? Nonsense is your delusional comment.
            Quote: avia1991
            To participate in which "ALPHA" REFUSED
            Alpha went to Yeltsin in 91g and defended the White House, in 93g defended Ostankino and WAS THE FIRE FOR Defeat against Rutsky's supporters. Stop lying!
            1. avia1991
              avia1991 23 November 2015 02: 14 New
              +3
              Quote: Lead
              in 93, she defended Ostankino and WAS THE FIRE FOR DESTRUCTION against supporters of Rutsky.

              Re-read, revise the media of the time. It makes no sense to throw empty accusations here. Stroporez clearly and distinctly reminded you: in Ostankino there was "Vityaz" - a detachment of special forces of the Interior Ministry's Internal Troops. If memory fails - take "Glycine" or "Gingkoum" - they say it helps.
    2. The lead
      The lead 22 November 2015 20: 06 New
      -4
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      No need to tell a lie ... here people are informed and such bullshit is not conducted.
      Is it you who are informed?
  • olegff68
    olegff68 22 November 2015 10: 29 New
    +4
    Quote: Lead
    In 91g and 93g, the Alpha group supported the traitor Yeltsin.

    Where did you come from today, with burnt porridge in your head then ????
    Alpha was tasked with arresting Yeltsin .... But upon arriving at the scene, a crowd of "defenders" interfered with the White House .... The Alpha commander reported on the situation to the top and said that they WILL BE ABLE to complete the task, BUT there will be a lot victims. At the same time, he asked for an official order for harsh actions against the "defenders" - civilians. No one wanted to take responsibility for this, neither in the KGB, nor in the political leadership.
    It was proposed to carry out the operation, on his own responsibility, which the Alpha commander did not do - then everyone knows and saw everything.
    Upon coming to power, Yeltsin completely eliminated the KGB without even organizing an analogue of the department .... Alpha also suffered greatly.
    1. The lead
      The lead 22 November 2015 19: 44 New
      -4
      Quote: olegff68
      it was proposed that the operation be carried out under his own responsibility, which the Alpha commander did not do - then everyone knows and saw everything.
      I remember those events very well. In 91, the Alpha group was in the White House and was preparing to repel the assault.
      1. avia1991
        avia1991 22 November 2015 22: 19 New
        +3
        Quote: Lead
        I remember those events very well

        Also tell us that in both cases they were "directly on the spot" and "saw everything with their own eyes"! laughing
        It smacks of "I am the daughter of an officer from Sevastopol .." wassat
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        2. avia1991
          avia1991 23 November 2015 02: 18 New
          +4
          Quote: Lead
          jerks with virtual shoulder straps

          To the level of insignificance falls one who compensates for the absence of arguments supported by facts with insults .. for which in life he would have shouted in the face, without any pause. This is to the question of comparison with the Vlasovites expressed above.
          As for shoulder straps - I wore quite real ones, and I'm proud of that. And my local "rank" does not oblige you to anything - but being a local "major", I did not get mad with envy of the "marshals" .. it seems that unlike you hi
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          2. The lead
            The lead 23 November 2015 05: 52 New
            -2
            Quote: avia1991
            It smacks of "I am the daughter of an officer from Sevastopol .."

            Quote: avia1991
            who compensates for the absence of evidence-based arguments with insults ..
            The lack of facts is about you. Insults are also about you. In real life, you would not hear the words in return, but would get just in the face.
            Quote: avia1991
            I was not mad with envy of the "marshals".
            Now you are in the grip of arrogance, which is exactly the reason I don’t want to trouble myself.
  • Sergej1972
    Sergej1972 30 November 2015 12: 01 New
    0
    and AFB, MBVD, FSK?
  • user3970
    user3970 22 November 2015 18: 32 New
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    I want to answer Vedun (sorry out of turn). I was personally acquainted with the employees of "Alpha" acting at that time. So that's it. The guys admitted that they cut out Yeltsin and Co., but after the betrayal in Vilnius they demanded a written order for the operation.
  • igorka357
    igorka357 22 November 2015 08: 56 New
    +2
    Oleg, how many saved have you modestly kept silent? Yeah, better go read the article about the battleships, you have more chances there !!!
  • Karavan-150
    Karavan-150 22 November 2015 09: 48 New
    +1
    From where are these numbers!?!
    If you decide to write, then be so kind as to provide arguments ?!
  • Ugrumiy
    Ugrumiy 22 November 2015 10: 02 New
    +5
    Yeah, super-operation "Entebbe": four of the 105 hostages were killed (one by the commandos themselves and two in the crossfire during the assault and one hostage a little later, shot in the hospital by the Ugandans), the commander of the assault group was killed, five commandos and 10 hostages were wounded. They prepared the operation for a week, stormed the airport for about an hour, armored vehicles, machine guns and grenade launchers were used during the assault and defense of the outer ring of blocking. So on the whole, nifiga is not ideal! I am already silent about the consequences of this operation.
  • Saburov
    Saburov 22 November 2015 11: 27 New
    +5
    Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
    Alpha has no successful Entebbe operation to be proud of


    And what is so successful?
    Bottom line: 4 hostages died (and one from the fire of commandos) 1 commandos were killed, five wounded, plus 10 hostages were injured in the shootout. I can give you, for example, aerobatics of a special operation, to which even the entire special forces of the IDF are far from, for example, the assault on Amin’s palace, the operation on which almost everyone is learning.
  • Vishnevsky
    Vishnevsky 22 November 2015 15: 35 New
    -1
    In recent days, he noticed that trolls and provocateurs had intensified in the network. Floated g ... but! - So everything goes according to plan!
    1. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 23 November 2015 00: 57 New
      +1
      Quote: Vishnevsky
      In recent days, he noticed that trolls and provocateurs had intensified in the network.

      it's paranoia, Carl! yes
      Take the halted front wink
      1. Vishnevsky
        Vishnevsky 25 November 2015 19: 50 New
        -1
        Sorry, Pontorez, are you a psychiatrist to make a diagnosis?
  • Lookark
    Lookark 22 November 2015 22: 25 New
    +2
    Knowing your love for the United States, I cannot but remind you of Operation Eagle Claw, which was conducted by the American Delta Force squad.
    Quote from wiki
    During refueling, one of the helicopters crashed into a tanker plane, eight crew members and both vehicles died in a subsequent fire, after which it was decided to cancel the operation and leave Iran. As a result, all helicopters were thrown into the desert (after which they transferred to the Iranian army), the corpses of pilots and other crew members, all secret documentation for the operation and a book of radio codes. All surviving participants in the operation were evacuated on the remaining aircraft [4]. The operation ended in complete failure.
  • alexej123
    alexej123 22 November 2015 23: 32 New
    +1
    This is all Mr. Kaptsov. From 130 to 174 hostages were killed. So how many died? Or you have a principle of the main thing, excuse me, "fart", but on the subject or not - it doesn't matter. You gave the example of "Saeret Mitkal" - well, Mr. "know-it-all" answer, did the Israelis have operations like Nord-Ost, Beslan? I mean the scale - the number of hostages taken? DID NOT HAVE. Better think about battleships, aircraft carriers and the F-35. Although there you carry complete nonsense.
  • alexej123
    alexej123 22 November 2015 23: 32 New
    +1
    This is all Mr. Kaptsov. From 130 to 174 hostages were killed. So how many died? Or you have a principle of the main thing, excuse me, "fart", but on the subject or not - it doesn't matter. You gave the example of "Saeret Mitkal" - well, Mr. "know-it-all" answer, did the Israelis have operations like Nord-Ost, Beslan? I mean the scale - the number of hostages taken? DID NOT HAVE. Better think about battleships, aircraft carriers and the F-35. Although there you carry complete nonsense.
  • Same lech
    Same lech 22 November 2015 06: 02 New
    +9
    Alpha behaved with dignity in the 90s did not participate in Yeltsin’s adventures, didn’t go about those who wanted to kill our citizens with her hands in Moscow events .... officers worthy of respect ... my respect to these people for this and much more about than the newspapers don’t write hi
  • Saburov
    Saburov 22 November 2015 06: 20 New
    +1
    Alpha is without a doubt the best anti-terrorist unit and probably doesn’t know peers, both in preparation and in planning operations ... but even during the storming of Grozny, Alpha arrived in Pervaya Chechenskaya, sat behind a broken bus, looked at the scale of the battles and left , just the pinwheel took them near our battalion ...
    1. Shark Lover
      Shark Lover 22 November 2015 12: 32 New
      +3
      So argue, and tank units are inappropriate. In Grozny how many were burned. I think here the bigger question is the application of one or another part in a certain operation. Launching tanks into the city in columns, storming the buildings with special forces, driving infantry to machine guns is not a drawback of these units, a lack of professional brains from those who send them there. What is the strength of the infantry? Artillery and tanks, if they gave the command to take the city-city. Infantry, tanks follow artukha and no other way. The tasks of specialists and Alpha in particular are multifaceted, but similar in one, they are point-wise. We know about the actions of these units from the media, but how much do we not know? The guys who are pros in their field, came across them, or rather part of their work, are really worthy of all respect.
      1. Saburov
        Saburov 23 November 2015 08: 48 New
        +3
        Quote: Shark Lover
        Infantry, tanks follow artukha and no other way.


        The respected infantry always comes first. Will you tell me a graduate of the ChVTKU how to fight on armor? For the entire first campaign, two T-72 vehicles were lost in my battalion, one was blown up by a mine, and the other was burned from four RPGs and one without a recoil on the street. When Mayakovsky covered armored infantry fighting vehicles with the wounded, the rest of the vehicles were damaged, but remained in service. We coordinated the movement during the assault with motorized rifles, and a scheme with several commanders was worked out. And you tell me about the combat use of the armed forces ...
  • yuriy55
    yuriy55 22 November 2015 06: 34 New
    +4
    Great country - the best special forces in the world!
  • Barakuda
    Barakuda 22 November 2015 07: 42 New
    0
    Quote: Saburov
    but during the First Chechen assault on Grozny, Alpha arrived, sat behind a broken bus, looked at the scale of the battles and left, they were taken by the turntable next to our battalion ...

    So they have a different specificity. Why break forehead and ruin lives. It’s the same as plowing a garden on the 600 Mercedes. There are enough horses, but no effect.
    1. Saburov
      Saburov 22 November 2015 08: 26 New
      +3
      Quote: Barracuda
      So they have a different specificity. Why break forehead and ruin lives. It’s the same as plowing a garden on the 600 Mercedes. There are enough horses, but no effect.


      I certainly respect the experience of Alpha fighters. But first, why were they brought there? Secondly, you can ruin the lives of unfired conscripts? And the third time we arrived, we had to participate. In general, there were a lot of guys from the army intelligence, so at first because of the headaches of the command they were generally thrown to non-core events, and then when Boris Yeltsin and Pasha Grachev decided to buy weapons from the militants (insanity and betrayal), generally in dugouts they slept on plastic bags with money, so as not to be pulled away.
      1. Ugrumiy
        Ugrumiy 22 November 2015 09: 36 New
        +3
        That is, in your opinion, they should have stood up on their own and rushed into the attack !? They gave a command - arrived, recalled - flew away. Here questions should not be asked to "Alpha", but to those who make the decision to use them (you have already named a couple above).
        1. Saburov
          Saburov 22 November 2015 10: 27 New
          0
          Quote: Ugrumiy
          That is, in your opinion, they should have stood up on their own and rushed into the attack !? They gave a command - arrived, recalled - flew away. Here questions should not be asked to "Alpha", but to those who make the decision to use them (you have already named a couple above).


          So there was an order, they went to Grozny ... for three and a half hours, never firing back, although they might have recalled it.
      2. olegff68
        olegff68 22 November 2015 10: 39 New
        +2
        Quote: Saburov
        And the third time we arrived, it was necessary to participate

        You kindly did not report how much Alpha participated in the Chechen .... What a shame! Well this is necessary - they didn’t see before you how much they fought there, how many specials. the operations were carried out, how many odious ones were eliminated .... How many Alfovtsevs themselves died - in the battles and the headaches of the then military .... And how many times did their Yeltsin pack deliver there ....
        1. Saburov
          Saburov 22 November 2015 11: 32 New
          +1
          Quote: olegff68
          You kindly did not report how much Alpha participated in the Chechen .... What a shame! Well this is necessary - they didn’t see before you how much they fought there, how many specials. the operations were carried out, how many odious ones were eliminated .... How many Alfovtsevs themselves died - in battles and the headaches of the then military .... And how many times did their Yeltsin pack deliver there


          Yes, and where does it come from? I’m saying that at first they planned the operation only with explosives and there were such legends that they say Alpha, Pennant will come and all the crutches ... although Pennant, by the way, in 1993, unlike Alpha, refused to storm the White House, for which they were later transferred to the jurisdiction of the Ministry of Internal Affairs.
  • Razvedka_Boem
    Razvedka_Boem 22 November 2015 09: 13 New
    +2
    Alpha are professionals in their field. The victims in the course of some special operations are not the fault of the Alpha fighters, but the fault of those who give orders for action, without a proper study of the operation. Also, it is good to talk about what has already happened lying on the couch with a beer, and in conditions of time pressure in which such units find themselves and hard pressure "from above", the decision is made that is true for the one who is on the spot. and it happens that of two evils they choose the lesser.
    Also, to use class "A" units in combined arms or urban combat is still hammering nails with a microscope. For this there are infantry, DShB and other troops.
  • Karavan-150
    Karavan-150 22 November 2015 09: 21 New
    +4
    "Alpha"
    We once started with the letter "A"
    Read, write and even talk.
    And here it is to us, like medals,
    We were handed over to serve us with her!
    Leaving behind failures
    We have nothing else to dream of with you:
    We are group "A", and that means -
    We are the first to get up and win!

    When disaster strikes,
    And death is already calling its ranks
    Then ask God for help,
    So that the "Alpha" group will cover you from trouble!

    We’ll leave at dawn, whether we’ll return - I don’t know
    So it was with us, brother, many times,
    The mission is set,
    And that means that the order will be executed!
    The letter "A" is not given to us according to the charter,
    She's not just a sleeve decoration!
    She is in our heart, in the whole composition,
    Written in blood, the letter "A"!

    When disaster strikes,
    And death is already calling its ranks
    Then ask God for help,
    So that the "Alpha" group will cover you from trouble!

    The letter "A" is not given to us according to the charter,
    She's not just a sleeve decoration!
    She is in our heart, in the whole composition,
    Written in blood, the letter "A"!

    When disaster strikes,
    And death is already calling its ranks
    Then ask God for help,
    So that the "Alpha" group will cover you from trouble!

    When disaster strikes,
    And death is already calling its ranks
    Then ask God for help,
    So that the "Alpha" group will cover you from trouble!

    So that the "Alpha" group will cover you from trouble!
  • Dad Uassia
    Dad Uassia 22 November 2015 11: 48 New
    +4
    The best and most polite people in the world!
  • slava48
    slava48 22 November 2015 12: 45 New
    +4
    Whatever they say. I love and respect the Alpha group.
  • serge siberian
    serge siberian 22 November 2015 16: 43 New
    +1
    Well done guys. No matter what system in the country it’s not-they defend their homeland.
    and talkers sell it.
  • Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 22 November 2015 18: 51 New
    +1
    Quote: Dad Wassia
    The best and most polite people in the world!

    I join and proud of the Russian Warriors.
  • Radikal
    Radikal 22 November 2015 22: 36 New
    +4
    Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
    Quote: Ilnarturk
    You are the best!!!

    The attack on Dubrovka - from 130 to 174 dead hostages, to 700 wounded

    Beslan - 333 dead (19 security officials and the Ministry of Emergencies, 17 teachers, the rest 300 - children), 783 wounded

    the release of the Detention Center in Sukhumi mentioned in the article - read the details, everything went according to plan, they destroyed the entire detention center. They besieged the building for several days. And only by a miracle they detained a leaving car with bandits.

    Relying on Alpha is disastrous. Every time Alpha goes on an assault, a mass hostage massacre begins. As the entire history of this group shows, Alpha has no successful operation like Entebbe to be proud of.

    never comment on something you don’t know about, or just heard somewhere!
  • Radikal
    Radikal 22 November 2015 22: 44 New
    0
    Quote: Lead
    In 91g and 93g, the Alpha group supported the traitor Yeltsin. The position of this elite unit then was of great importance, their decisive actions could turn the tide, they could become a center of attraction for other patriotic officers of the KGB, the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the army. Much of the fault lies with the employees of this group in the collapse of the USSR, the liberal state policy held in the 90s in the Russian Federation and liberal in subsequent years. No one’s name should be forgotten, neither a hero nor a traitor. Time will come, everyone will be rewarded.

    Another "expert", and the name is legion! fool
  • Kim Klimov
    Kim Klimov 22 November 2015 23: 10 New
    0
    Alpha is Alpha, and omega will wait.
  • Old26
    Old26 23 November 2015 00: 49 New
    +2
    Quote: Lead
    As far as I remember, it was Alpha.

    Remember wrong. There was no such thing. In Ostankino there was "Vityaz", it is with a 100% guarantee. About "Vympel" in Ostankino I hear for the first time, at least it was not announced openly
    1. alexej123
      alexej123 23 November 2015 09: 24 New
      0
      The guy was mistaken and admitted the mistake, there was a special forces of the Interior Ministry "Vityaz", commander Lysyuk Sergey Ivanovich, one soldier was killed. At that time I served in the BB. We slept for a week in uniform 3. It takes 7 hours to get to Moscow by train. Waited for a call, did not arrive. And TV watched all the events, there was coverage for "Vityaz". Was part of the famous OMSDON named after Dzerzhinsky. Earlier, when the name was unknown to a wide circle among the internal forces, they were called the 9th company of OMSDON - the Dzerzhinsky Separate Motorized Rifle Division.
  • kplayer
    kplayer 26 November 2015 19: 59 New
    0
    Briefly about the specifics of the "Alpha" of the FSB (FSK - on the eve of the 1st campaign) and the special forces of the GRU MO, respectively: "black" (in Western terminology) operations - open power operations, assault, capture, counter-terrorism. Greens - hidden reconnaissance and sabotage operations, in-depth reconnaissance, abduction, undercover work.
    Apparently, “hammering nails with a microscope”, that is, participating in the assault actions of the troops turned out to be a matter of fighters from military intelligence too, not even storming buildings with centers of resistance of spirits in the (conditionally) rear area of ​​the troops, here, probably, “Alpha” "It would be very useful, and her soldiers had combat experience.
  • igorka357
    igorka357 26 October 2016 07: 04 New
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    Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
    Quote: Ilnarturk
    You are the best!!!

    Terrorist attack on Dubrovka - from 130 to 174 hostages killed , up to 700 wounded

    Beslan - 333 dead (19 security officials and the Ministry of Emergency Situations, 17 teachers, the remaining 300 - children), 783 wounded

    the release of the Detention Center in Sukhumi mentioned in the article - read the details, everything went according to plan, they destroyed the entire detention center. They besieged the building for several days. And only by a miracle they detained a leaving car with bandits.

    Relying on Alpha is a bad thing. Every time Alpha goes to storm, a massive hostage carnage begins. As the entire history of this group shows, Alpha has no successful operation like Entebbe to be proud of.

    But only here are specialists from South Africa, the USA, Britain, and many more from where, they say the exact opposite! And who are you, sweet sixteen years old ..)))? And one more thing, with your delta force, our Alpha of course but I didn’t stand by my side! So we better listen to the pros, and not only ours but also foreign ones ... who consider our specialists to be one of the strongest in the world!