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Associated Press: Francois Hollande has come to call the “Islamic State” hated by terrorists the abbreviation DAISH

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After the terrorist attacks in France, President Francois Hollande and US Secretary of State John Kerry adopted the definition of DAISH, which is hated by the militants of the IG group. Iraqi Kurds, for example, have been using it since the onset of ISIS, risking losing the language for it, writes a resource MixedNews with reference to newrepublic.com.


Associated Press: Francois Hollande has come to call the “Islamic State” hated by terrorists the abbreviation DAISH
Kurdish Women's Militia


“DAISH” is an Arabic abbreviation for the name of the terrorist organization ISIL: “al-Daula al-Islamia fi al-Iraq v al-Sham”.

This definition is also used by Assyrian Christians who are at war with the Islamists. In everyday life it is also in the Western intelligence services.

Why is DAISH an offensive name for terrorists? This was attempted to explain the newspaper Boston Globe.

The publication writes: "Depending on how the expression is conjugated in Arabic, it can mean anything - from" trampling and crushing "to" obscurantist, imposing his opinion on others "".

Most likely, the latter definition does not suit the Islamists the most. Therefore, they threatened to cut off the language to anyone who allowed himself to use this abbreviation publicly.
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  1. katalonec2014
    katalonec2014 19 November 2015 18: 09
    22
    If she infuriates them like that, maybe we'll start. By the way, how does this translate into Russian?
    1. Baikonur
      Baikonur 19 November 2015 18: 11
      30
      Yes, it is a must! I don’t understand for a long time - Why call them, recognize them as Islamic, if (as Muslims say?) They have nothing to do with Islam! Those. if they call themselves gods, then shall we also have to call them that? NO!
      1. Infinity
        Infinity 19 November 2015 18: 15
        36
        Since they hate Daesh, I’ll call them that.
        For example: "Today the RF Aerospace Forces bombed two warehouses and one command post of DAISH!"
        wink
        1. Infinity
          Infinity 19 November 2015 18: 20
          18
          But Daesh knows how to get angry.
          1. flSergius
            flSergius 19 November 2015 18: 23
            46
            Here is the full version of the TRANSLATED video bully
            1. Infinity
              Infinity 19 November 2015 18: 32
              12
              Quote: flSergius
              Here is the full version of the TRANSLATED video

              Thanks, laughed a long time good laughing
            2. twincam
              twincam 19 November 2015 18: 57
              0
              and what does he hysteria in fact?
              1. sovetskyturist
                sovetskyturist 19 November 2015 20: 40
                +2
                and what does he hysteria in fact?
                President Putin said he was not “going to chase the dogs, because the owner of the dog should be called to account.” According to the Russians, the owner of the dog is Vanguard Asset Management TNK and its Raytheon division. The owners of this trans-national corporation are systematically exterminated by the Russians.http: //rnto.club/biblioteka/fulford-b/Stati/parizhskij-terakt-jelement-
                globalnoj-psihologichesko-informacionnoj-vojni-za-privedenie-mira-edinomu-mirovo
                mu-pravitelstvu.html ......... interesting fake or take on the organizers
            3. Buffalo
              Buffalo 19 November 2015 19: 02
              31
              The enemies burned their native hut,
              His DAISH family
              Where to go a fluffy pig?
              Who should carry their plague? laughing
              1. severniy
                severniy 19 November 2015 19: 20
                +2
                Quote: katalonec2014
                If she infuriates them like that, maybe we'll start. By the way, how does this translate into Russian?

                maybe a camel atelier ?, quarrel for the translation ... repeat
                1. Talgat
                  Talgat 19 November 2015 20: 17
                  11
                  They wrote that Ramzan Kadyrov has long called them not the Islamic state, but the Iblis state (Iblis - hell - the devil)
                  and all of them are shaitans (hell). As if in Chechnya the only way it is accepted.

                  Then why repeat after the "French" - you can just pick up the initiative of Ramzan and the Chechens (after all, our own people are not distant)
                  1. GSH-18
                    GSH-18 19 November 2015 21: 01
                    +6
                    Quote: Talgat
                    They wrote that Ramzan Kadyrov has long called them not the Islamic state, but the Iblis state (Iblis - hell - the devil)
                    and all of them are shaitans (hell). As if in Chechnya the only way it is accepted.

                    Respect to Ramzan, as always! Chechens drank the identity in due time thanks to the Iblis instigators and other "faithful" from the Gulf! And what is DAISH that Iblis is all one-obscurantist, in a word!
            4. Civil
              Civil 19 November 2015 19: 59
              +8
              Let’s call these ..... in daish, with a small letter comrades!
              1. GSH-18
                GSH-18 19 November 2015 21: 08
                +2
                Quote: Civil
                Let’s call these ..... in daish, with a small letter comrades!

                It seems to me .. soon daish will become a dog! laughing
                If you don’t go flying in parts before.
          2. iliitchitch
            iliitchitch 19 November 2015 19: 09
            +4
            Quote: Infinity
            But Daesh knows how to get angry.


            What expression, what type! What, shaitan, your mother begins to bake?
          3. demo
            demo 19 November 2015 19: 11
            12
            I probably did not understand everything, but it seemed that he thanks us, the Russians, and the President of the Russian Federation personally for the fact that this bomb did not hit his head. and his brother in arms.
            If wrong, then correct.
          4. 1goose3
            1goose3 19 November 2015 21: 43
            +1
            Well, let’s say it’s a tantrum, they don’t have time to get angry.
          5. lukke
            lukke 19 November 2015 22: 03
            +4
            yes it was a field rapper - uh em daish
          6. Geisenberg
            Geisenberg 20 November 2015 03: 49
            +2
            Quote: Infinity
            But Daesh knows how to get angry.


            ... like I’m your house pipe reel: D: D: D
        2. vovanpain
          vovanpain 19 November 2015 18: 20
          11
          Quote: aba
          Yes, you can see right away that this is the most effective weapon of our Western partners ... There is nothing more to add ...

          Well, in February they wandered hands wandering the streets of Paris, sweeping the sidewalks with their floors, which mortally frightened the barmaley.
        3. Will
          Will 19 November 2015 18: 25
          +4
          I think that it will be correct to "rename" the imaginary "state" into something else.) It is not for nothing that they say, whatever you call it, it will be so.) There should not be a "state" that does not take into account anything except its "greats" "ideas, for a person initially cannot demand special greatness for himself, especially with Allah, if they are really believers.
        4. anfil
          anfil 19 November 2015 21: 58
          +2
          The Spiritual Administration of Muslims of Russia (DUM) stated that it recommends using the non-established abbreviation ISIS for the name of the Islamic State terrorist organization, and its Arabic version is DAISH.

          Daesh is an abbreviation of the old name for this terrorist group, in Arabic, “Daulat Islami Iraq va-Sham”, that is, “Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant”. Now the group calls itself simply “Islamic State” or the caliphate.

          The DUM press service of Russia reported that Archpriest Vsevolod Chaplin, head of the synodal department for relations between the Church and society of the Russian Orthodox Church MP, supported this initiative. He argued his position by saying that calling a terrorist group using such good words as “Islam” and “the state” would render it too much honor.

          Recently, the chief mufti of Russia, Ravil Gainutdin, spoke about the need to call the "caliphate" the abbreviation DAISH, emphasizing that these thugs have nothing to do with real Islam.

          Back in March, the Interreligious Council of Russia called on the Russian media to “show responsibility” and not to hurt the feelings of Muslim believers, as well as not to discredit the concepts of “Islam” and “state” and call the ominous terrorist organization the abbreviation DAISH and do without decryption.
      2. traveler
        traveler 19 November 2015 21: 02
        +2
        they have dofiga in common with Islam they are muslims.
        their working methods are often immoral, but that's another matter.
      3. Wolverine
        Wolverine 19 November 2015 22: 25
        +4
        Yes, the Muslims themselves called them ISLISTS, even there is no need to invent anything. wassat
        1. traveler
          traveler 19 November 2015 22: 33
          0
          who are the iblists - explain to me, what kind of tariff is this?
          whoever names anyone there - this is all private opinion, does not affect the essence.
          1. bugrovata
            bugrovata 20 November 2015 09: 53
            +1
            Quote: traveler
            who are the iblists - explain to me, what kind of tariff is this?
            whoever names anyone there - this is all private opinion, does not affect the essence.


            Iblis - translated shaitan, damn. hi
            1. traveler
              traveler 20 November 2015 20: 52
              0
              thanks for the translation, captain evidence. laughing the question was different - who are the iblists? is there such a trend in Islam? or maybe they came up here in connection with the situation.
        2. atalef
          atalef 19 November 2015 23: 24
          0
          Quote: Wolverine
          Yes, the Muslims themselves called them ISLISTS, even there is no need to invent anything. wassat

          Israel has the Arab village of Iblin and the village of Manda.
      4. Sterlya
        Sterlya 20 November 2015 16: 08
        0
        IG. simply. Iblis state (diabolical state, state of shaitan, trait)
    2. corn
      corn 19 November 2015 18: 11
      +4
      Quote: katalonec2014
      By the way, how is this translated into Russian?

      The article says: "Depending on how the expression is conjugated in Arabic, it can mean anything from" trample and crush "to" obscurantist who imposes his opinion on others. "
      1. katalonec2014
        katalonec2014 19 November 2015 18: 16
        +5
        The obscurantist sounds better, otherwise we call them Basmachi in the old way, but these are on the Toyota.
    3. 79807420129
      79807420129 19 November 2015 18: 13
      22
      But doesn’t it matter what they are called even an organized criminal group daisy, the main thing is that they are destroyed, and Allah will figure out who is Barmaley, who is Shaitan, who is Ibliss, who is iglis, and who is daish.
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    5. bocsman
      bocsman 19 November 2015 18: 23
      18
      Quote: katalonec2014
      If she infuriates them like that, maybe we'll start. By the way, how does this translate into Russian?

      Translated as Children of the Arab Ishakov.
      1. yuriy55
        yuriy55 19 November 2015 18: 51
        16
        Translated as Children of the Arab Ishakov.


        Think right
        What does it mean - ISIS?
        There has been no such thing forever.

        From now on we will call them - DAISH,
        That is - the Children of the Arab Ishakov.
    6. PQ-18
      PQ-18 19 November 2015 18: 33
      +4
      "Depending on how the expression is conjugated in Arabic, it can mean anything from"trample and crush" before "obscurantistimposing his opinion on others ""
      well, SO they have a lot of names ...
      shaitans, creatures, barbarians, thugs, "roosters"...
    7. Tor5
      Tor5 19 November 2015 19: 14
      +2
      Very logical!
    8. Sanmak
      Sanmak 19 November 2015 20: 11
      +2
      So it is, in a word - obscurantists !!!
    9. kagorta
      kagorta 19 November 2015 20: 11
      +2
      Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant. Levant - the common name of the countries of the eastern part of the Mediterranean Sea (Syria, Lebanon, Israel, Jordan, Palestine, Egypt, Turkey, etc.), in a narrower sense - Syria, Palestine and Lebanon. Arabs call this territory al-Sham.
    10. DHA
      DHA 19 November 2015 20: 13
      +2
      we already have, they are Iblis, "Iblis state"
    11. atalef
      atalef 19 November 2015 20: 13
      +2
      Quote: katalonec2014
      If she infuriates them like that, maybe we'll start. By the way, how does this translate into Russian?

      In Israel they were called that from the first day. request
    12. Nickola
      Nickola 19 November 2015 20: 17
      +2
      So write Daish. and the translation in the article.
    13. marinier
      marinier 19 November 2015 20: 19
      +4
      The devil state, put the phrases of the phrase reasonably so at4.
    14. hrapon
      hrapon 20 November 2015 00: 36
      +5
      Quote: katalonec2014
      If she infuriates them like that, maybe we'll start. By the way, how does this translate into Russian?


      Here is the explanation:
      DAESH is actually equivalent to the acronym ISIS, but in Arabic. It means ad-Dawlah al-Islāmiyah fī 'l-ʿIrāq wa-sh-Shām -الدولة الإسلامية في العراق والشام - (Islamic State of Iraq and ash-Shama (ash Sham or DA Levant is one of the terms of the ancient names of the Igilov offensive, because it is consonant with the Arabic words Daes (the one who crushes something with his foot) and Dahes (the one who sows discord.) Although, maybe they just hate abbreviations. Those who use such an abbreviation are subjected to public flogging.
      what to take from them.

      Friends, if you ban every word, you will be left without an alphabet at all. Instead of the deleted word, please read: "Unworthy false followers of Mohammed, conceived by donkey urine."

      With best wishes.
      1. PSih2097
        PSih2097 20 November 2015 02: 45
        +1
        Quote: hrapon
        Igilovtsy consider the term DAESH

        under the tail ...
        offensive

        because lgbt internationally ... laughing
      2. kartalovkolya
        kartalovkolya 20 November 2015 09: 14
        0
        It does not matter what they are called, but it is important how they are now "uprooted" by the Russian Aerospace Forces, like bugs with boiling water from an old sofa! In general, it is better not to call them than Ramzan Kadyrov! In short, as Captain Vrungel used to say: "As you name the yacht, so it will float ..."!
  2. cniza
    cniza 19 November 2015 18: 10
    +7
    And I like the "Iblian state" more.
  3. Wild_grey_wolf
    Wild_grey_wolf 19 November 2015 18: 11
    +5
    In the first I hear such a sign, I like it very much
    1. kil 31
      kil 31 19 November 2015 18: 19
      +8
      This is the whole west, all his struggle. They will call them, the terrorists will be offended, will cry and scatter. The whole fight against terror. There is another thought. Remember how the United States at the UN did not want to fit Nusra into terrorists. They said why they were not ISIS.
      1. Wild_grey_wolf
        Wild_grey_wolf 19 November 2015 18: 50
        +2
        At a distance, any hero is called names. When an ordinary citizen does this one thing, a politician is another
  4. Voha_krim
    Voha_krim 19 November 2015 18: 13
    +6
    Whatever you call a devil - from this he will not cease to be a devil.
  5. Altona
    Altona 19 November 2015 18: 15
    +4
    The state of sheep-bearers and beggars, gigolos living on emirs handouts. State bydlomanov and nonhumans ...
  6. Bergbur
    Bergbur 19 November 2015 18: 15
    +8
    What Hollande is still a brave man, he’s not afraid that his tongue will be cut off. Decisive revenge for the attack. am
  7. Terrible_L.
    Terrible_L. 19 November 2015 18: 15
    +6
    Westerners use the hated abbreviation, and we use the hated "sunshine". As they say, feel the difference in your approach to how to ruin the life of terrorists)
  8. aba
    aba 19 November 2015 18: 15
    +8
    President Francois Hollande and US Secretary of State John Kerry have adopted the definition of Daesh

    Yes, you can see right away that this is the most effective weapon of our Western partners ... There is nothing more to add ...
  9. Hiw
    Hiw 19 November 2015 18: 19
    +3
    yes yes gentlemen igilovtsy, it’s time for John Keri to cut off his tongue and to Francois Aland too, and if you don’t cut off their languages ​​this will be another proof that they are with you at the same time
  10. cergey51046
    cergey51046 19 November 2015 18: 20
    +3
    Let Kerry and Hollande cut their tongues.
    1. Buffalo
      Buffalo 19 November 2015 19: 09
      +2
      Who will bite a nursing hand ?!
      Obama for ISIS, like a drunk for bugs - the breadwinner.
  11. iouris
    iouris 19 November 2015 18: 20
    +2
    It is right. This is not a state, but a structure. It was created by the special services of the United States and terrorist monarchical regimes. Therefore, there is nothing Islamic in this structure. Just as in the "Ukrainian state" there is nothing Ukrainian.
  12. APASUS
    APASUS 19 November 2015 18: 21
    +3
    I’m probably already out of my mind, since I don’t see problems with the name of the terrorists, what's the difference in how to call them ??? What are you people, this is a stupid divorce, to distract people from the essence of what is happening with the name and pass it off as news.
  13. Denis Skiff
    Denis Skiff 19 November 2015 18: 25
    +2
    What Hollande is still a brave man who is not afraid that his tongue will be cut off. Decisive revenge for the attack
    Ukrainian DAISH. )
    1. v1tz
      v1tz 19 November 2015 18: 31
      +8
      In Ukrainian, a traffic cop will be a traffic cop (State Auto Inspectorate), they are called dailies.
  14. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 19 November 2015 18: 29
    +2
    In Francois, however, from fear there were specific contractions in the lower back since he still reacts this way.
  15. Kibl
    Kibl 19 November 2015 18: 33
    13
    Obama offers Russia to make a choice - Assad or victory over the IG
    rus.DELFI.lv | today, 10:24


    US President Barack Obama said that the terrorists of the Islamic State (IS) cannot be completely destroyed while Bashar al-Assad is in power in Syria, Reuters reports.
    Obama noted that the terror in Syria will not be defeated until the situation in the country receives a political settlement, which is impossible, while Assad leads the country.

    As Obama said at a meeting with Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, the civil war in Syria will not stop if Assad is in power, since he "cannot restore legitimacy."

    According to the US president, Russia and Iran must decide whether they want to support Syrian President Bashar al-Assad or "keep the Syrian state" if it is legal, the Associated Press reported.

    According to Obama, the goal of recent diplomatic efforts is to create a space that would become a fulcrum and lead to political changes.


    Macaque stuffed bananas in her ears and don’t hear a damn thing that he was being tapped, that’s because he completely froze the primate!
    1. Stinger
      Stinger 19 November 2015 18: 45
      +3
      Perhaps. Here, glasses, about which grandfather Krylov wrote, will not help. True, he mentioned the monkey. But the difference is minimal.
  16. sledge
    sledge 19 November 2015 18: 44
    +1
    What difference does it make to call them. These creatures understand only the language of bullets and shells. They must be destroyed mercilessly
  17. staryivoin
    staryivoin 19 November 2015 18: 47
    +1
    Well, since they don't like DAISH, it means they have to use it ... In the Russian language there is a good proverb "you can't hide an sewn in a sack" ...
  18. nrex
    nrex 19 November 2015 19: 09
    +2
    It seems to me that they should not come up with anything else. It is necessary to resolve the issue with them as soon as possible and forget their name forever. The more we talk about them, the more interest the teenage generation has in them and with skillful presentation of these absurdities it is easy to fashion a fighter. Everyone knows the fact of the forbidden fruit, this snake always hangs from a branch over an immature mind in various forms, such as alcohol, drugs, debauchery, and the worldwide fire of the revolution attracts them with romance.
  19. shalomnet
    shalomnet 19 November 2015 20: 11
    0
    In Israel, from the very beginning, these creatures were called ..!
    1. anti-Semite
      anti-Semite 19 November 2015 22: 55
      +1
      and at the same time such Jews treated and armed these animals with Jews!
      1. shalomnet
        shalomnet 20 November 2015 00: 01
        0
        Quote: anti-Semite
        and at the same time such Jews treated and armed these animals with Jews!

        If you call all Arabs - "beast", then you are right. In other words, someone was treated, someone was wetted, and someone was given a weapon. Specifically with these creatures, I think there was no close contact. But with Al-Nusra, Hamas and Fatah there was a case. But the last two distinguished guests are in the Kremlin. The Russians have their own animals, we have ours.
  20. Obstructia
    Obstructia 19 November 2015 20: 11
    +1
    How decisively Francois dealt with these villains)) Maybe a couple of caricatures he casts? France has only enough brains for this.
  21. Wiskar
    Wiskar 19 November 2015 20: 19
    -6
    I believe that the meaning was completely different - to remove the word ISLAMIC from use in order to try to remove the connection between terror and Islam. Fearful Frenchmen ..
    Although everyone understands that Islam and terror have long been together.
    In Russia, all 100% of recognized terrorist organizations are Islamic. And in the world, too, a similar situation.


    The metropolitan newspaper Le Parisien published yesterday a large material on the state of affairs in the Paris state company RAPT, which manages all public transport in the Paris region, including the metro, RER commuter trains and bus lines. The company came to the front pages of newspapers when it became known that it had been working in it for more than a year in 2011-12. Sami Amimour, one of the terrorists who blew himself up last Friday in the 11th arrondissement of Paris.
    The chairman of the RAPT union told the newspaper that in recent years the demographic composition of the workers of the transport company has changed dramatically, and at the wheel you can see a considerable number of bearded Muslims who start their own collective practices. They refuse to say hello and talk to women, are late for work due to prayers and pray right at the workplace.
    One woman, a Muslim woman herself, told the reporter that the invasion of religious Muslim men began 5-6 years ago, and they stopped greeting women, not to mention the friendly kisses that the French traditionally greet each other. According to her, these ultra-religious Muslims even refused to get into the cab of buses that were previously driven by women.
    An informed source in the company told the newspaper that “faithful” drivers appeared after 2005, when in the northern suburbs densely populated by emigrants, young people started throwing stones at buses and setting them on fire.
    1. sovetskyturist
      sovetskyturist 19 November 2015 20: 54
      +2
      there are organizations much more dangerous, so they are behind such ISIS but it’s not yet accepted to speak and write the truth, they are accused of anti-Semitism and undemocracy
      1. Wiskar
        Wiskar 20 November 2015 14: 34
        0
        Quote: sovetskyturist
        accused of anti-Semitism and undemocracy


        or God forbid in Russophobia. laughing
  22. Baloo
    Baloo 19 November 2015 22: 00
    +1
    Maybe not quite in the subject, but hooked:
    "The following is written in front of the picture:" The naked, tied, lying man is the editor-in-chief of Charlie Hebdo. A naked standing man is doing something with him from behind. Guess what? Guess where? And guessed why? Because "Charlie" published a new cartoon on the cover. A cartoon of the exploded passenger plane, where 224 were killed ... "."
    There is a French proverb: the art of seeming, the ability to be. This is the essence of the difference between the presidents of France after De Gaulle and GDP. As for the editor, Charlie Ebdo, and the caricature of him at MK, my applause to the MK editor and artist.
    Alas, it was not possible to insert a caricature. Published in Tape ru.
  23. atamankko
    atamankko 19 November 2015 22: 47
    0
    Nobilevets strenuously bends his curved line.
  24. Wolka
    Wolka 20 November 2015 05: 28
    +1
    but call me a pet, evil, it is EVIL, it has no place on Earth ...
  25. cap
    cap 20 November 2015 05: 37
    +1
    Who commands the oil and ask what to call modern basmachi. Who armed the basmachi passed the baton to their children and grandchildren. Family business. Aircraft carriers are not needed by the proletarians. Cobblestone is enough.
  26. Flinky
    Flinky 20 November 2015 07: 18
    0
    They will not wait for my hatred.
  27. S_Baykala
    S_Baykala 20 November 2015 10: 13
    +2
    But it’s right: saying IG, we massively, at the subconscious level, we identify this formation with Islam. And, roughly speaking, we transfer hatred of the Islamic State again to Islam. The media is a huge lever of influence on the consciousness of entire nations. If you call this education in a different way, reducing its importance or belittling it, there are several advantages: recruits will not be so eager to aspire to them, but those who are already participating will think about it.
    Let me give you an example: a party is being formed in Russia. And by chance her leader's name is O. Lyashko (namesake), he calls her by his name or does not call: it doesn’t matter. Many of our normal compatriots will go to the party with that name? And the second example: the already created party (even positive) changes its name (the same namesake comes to power again). Some supporters will leave there only because of the name.
    What is the strength of the IG? One of the components: fanaticism. Knocking out the soil is half the victory.
  28. Crimson
    Crimson 20 November 2015 12: 19
    +1
    DAISH - Dawla Arabia Islam Sharkiy

    which roughly translates as - eastern Arabic caliphate, and since ISIS considers its structure to be a worldwide caliphate, the name Daesh also offends and upsets. Something like this...
  29. Belousov
    Belousov 20 November 2015 15: 01
    0
    Well, everything was renamed. Consider half the work done, now the terrorists will cry and scatter wherever they look. Geyropeytsy are not capable of anything more, only from a distance to munch. And how proudly declared that we will now bomb them and all a-ta-ta ...
  30. Truth-lovers
    Truth-lovers 20 November 2015 23: 14
    0
    The funny thing is that in the photo is the Kurdish female militia. You read something about the ancestral religion of the Kurds and about who they worship, especially in the inner circle. God forbid that I support IS, these creatures, but the Kurds in general fall under the concept of an "Iblis state" (it is more and more difficult with Allah, but to be honest from a theological point of view, he is in no way either God the Father or Yahweh, rather the opposite) ... From the viewpoint of Islamic madhhabs, it is the Islamists of IS who are the most "pure Muslims", and the Russian Federation supports precisely the sectarians - Shiites, Alawites, Kurds ... These are the chips that fall .. ...
  31. Kaiten
    Kaiten 21 November 2015 00: 07
    0
    Are Kurds not Sunni Muslims?