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Europe against Suvorov

54
The name of the commander still scares Paris and London


November 24 marks the 285 anniversary of the birth of A.V. Suvorov. According to the results of the nationwide vote "The Name of Victory", held last year, Alexander Vasilyevich was recognized as the commander who made the greatest contribution to Russia's military glory.

Count Rymniksky, Prince of Italica, generalissimo, holder of almost all Russian and many foreign orders. The merits of Suvorov were indisputable. And all of them can be described in one phrase: “I didn’t lose a single battle, all of which were won with the enemy’s numerical superiority”. No, probably, the Russian, who would have responded unfairly about Alexander Vasilyevich. Although, due to the activation of the anti-Russian propaganda machine, several stuffing appeared in our media discrediting the glorious name.

Europe against SuvorovIn fact, the attacks began at the time when Suvorov, thanks to his military talent, became widely known outside the homeland. The French who had a grudge succeeded in this, of course. The neutral British and even Austrians with the Germans, who seemed to be considered our allies, did not lag behind.

Russian philosopher Ivan Ilyin, forced to live for a long time abroad, having studied the phenomenon of Russophobia in Europe, wrote: “None of us took into account the extent to which Western public opinion is opposed to Russia and against the Orthodox Church: Western nations fear our number, our space, our unity, our spiritual and spiritual structure and for complacency inspire us that the Russian people are barbarous, stupid, accustomed to slavery, lawlessness and cruelty. ”

In 1800, one of the first books about the commander was published in Paris and Amsterdam, which said that “Suvorov was just a funny jester, if he had not shown himself to be the most warlike barbarian. This is a monster that encloses the soul of a dog and a flayer in the body of a monkey. Attila, his compatriot and probably ancestor, was neither so fortunate nor so cruel. “Inherent ferocity, which takes the place of courage, is inherent in him: he pours blood by instinct, like a tiger.” Hatred of Suvorov got along with incompetence and absolute historical illiteracy. The main motivators of the vilifiers, of course, were elementary envy and fear. As the writer Arseniy Zamostyanov, who studied this topic, correctly writes, “in London and Paris they began to speculate about an eccentric elderly Russian general whose victories were too bright for Europeans to cast a shadow over them.”

Austrians most often blamed Suvorov for not fighting according to the rules, contrary to the canons of strategy and tactics, and his victories were attributed to chance, fortune, a happy coincidence, to which Alexander Vasilyevich objected: “Once - happiness, twice - happiness, mercy the God! Someday, a little bit of skill! ”

But most often they accused Suvorov of extreme cruelty. Especially the Poles. They recalled his excessive, in their opinion, victims of suppressing the 1794 uprising of the year. However, Suvorov acted adequately in a combat situation, and if the suburbs of Warsaw were shot from almost all residential buildings in his soldiers, he only responded with the forces and means at his disposal. And immediately stopped the fight, when the enemy began to surrender, throwing white flags. Known and his harsh order-reminder to his soldiers: “The winner is decent generosity. With prisoners to act humanely, ashamed of barbarism. Give in the mercy: it is a sin to kill in vain. They are the same people. Not to offend the average man: he feeds us and feeds. ”

Suvorov, in contrast to the same Germans who were in the Russian service, showed respect for local customs and legal authorities, stopped cases of looting. Here is what the new commandant of Warsaw Josef Orlovsky, Kostiushko, appointed by Suvorov, wrote: “You can be comforted by the generosity and moderation of the winners in relation to the vanquished. If they always do this, our people, judging by their nature, will firmly become attached to the winners. ”

Alexander Suvorov was great not only by his victories, but also by the purity of the heart, the nobility, the criterion of which was his honor. Only one example of many similar ones: during the Italian campaign, a wounded French general Salma was captured by the Russians. He was nursed in an army hospital. It so happened that the French were robbed by Russian officers who were lying with him in the ward. Upon learning of this, Suvorov became indignant - the thieves, despite their military merit and awards, were demoted to the ranks and punished in an exemplary manner. "Austerity requires the greatest observance of military rules," wrote Suvorov. His soldiers and officers knew the integrity of his commander in matters of honor and boldly entrusted him with their lives.

The high nobility of the spirit of the Russian commander could not be appreciated by foreigners who continued to slander Suvorov. In their understanding, the Russians, by their Asian nature, could not have high moral and ethical qualities, while remaining barbarians. I could not resist the temptation to kick the Russian bear and the popular English poet, contemporary of Suvorov - George Byron. In his poem "Don Juan" he derived the image of the commander as a bloodthirsty and merciless man. There, for example, there are such lines:

Suvorov, taking off his uniform, in one shirt,
Coached Kalmyks battalion
Swore, if somebody is a poor thing,
Clumsy was il tired.
The art of killing with bayonets
He taught deftly; he believed
That the human body, without a doubt,
Only material suitable for battle!

Suvorov exhibited heartless even in relation to subordinates. However, it is well known that almost all of his victories he won not only with smaller forces than the enemy, but also with less losses at times, because he was really a coast of his soldiers. His paternal care is well known for those with whom the Generalissimo loved to communicate both on the march and on a halt, finding in it great benefit for himself. Suvorov was close to their needs and needs, because the service he began as an ordinary musketeer in the Semenovskiy Life Guards Regiment, where he served six and a half years.

Not far from Byron, in the description of the barbaric behavior of the great commander, some modern rhymoplets were gone. One of them, now deceased, published a poem “Suvorov” a few years ago. To understand in what form the commander is registered, I will give only a few lines:

Two centuries of talk -
Books, monument, movies ...
All - Suvorov! And what about Suvorov?
The commander was with Makhno ...
Because, that lucky more,
Longed up his long nose -
Cut in Turkey, hung in Poland,
Pugacheva to execution carried.

As you can see, after two hundred years, everything still revolves around the extraordinary luckiness of the commander and his bloodthirstiness. The dead Suvorov is terrified by the enemies of Russia and does not give rest to “grave diggers” with his loud victories. As if anticipating this, Alexander Vasilyevich wrote: “Heroism is overcome by courage, patience is speed, reason is intelligence, labor is laziness, history is newspapers.”

A separate story is an attempt to record a sincere Christian, patriot and monarchist Alexander Suvorov in the ranks of the enemies of the throne and the Church - the Masonic organization. Rumors about his involvement in it are drawn from the Seven Years War (1756 – 1763), in which the young Suvorov took an active part. In 1761, the governor of Eastern Prussia, just conquered by Russians, was appointed his father, Lieutenant-General Vasily Ivanovich Suvorov, who wanted to gather as much information as possible about people inhabiting this land, their moods and secret societies. While on leave to injure his father’s residence, Koenigsberg, at the request of his dearest parent, the young lieutenant colonel Suvorov visited the local Masonic Lodge “To the Three Crowns” for reconnaissance purposes, presenting there as their like-minded brother and brother from the Three Stars lodge in St. Petersburg, which in fact never did not exist. The local brothers, delighted with the visit of the son of the governor, immediately wrote down Oberst-Lieutenant Alexander von Suvoroff to their organization.

Within two months, the Koenigsberg brothers listed Alexander Suvorov on the lists and even notified the Berlin Lodge of him. But the Russian lieutenant colonel no longer appeared. Having fulfilled the commission of his father, Suvorov Jr., who, by the way, did not see great danger for Russia in German Freemasonry, went to the army and fought with distinction against the Prussians for the entire campaign.
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  1. yuriy55
    yuriy55 22 November 2015 06: 55
    14
    Austrians most often blamed Suvorov for not fighting according to the rules, contrary to the canons of strategy and tactics, and his victories were attributed to chance, fortune, a happy coincidence, to which Alexander Vasilyevich objected: “Once - happiness, twice - happiness, mercy the God! Someday, a little bit of skill! ”


    Alexander Vasilievich Suvorov laid all his life and all his merits on the altar of the Fatherland. He showed the whole Russian Empire and Europe the invincible strength and stamina of a Russian soldier. He forced Europe to kneel before the miraculous heroes, the victors.
    The main thing is not that he is remembered with fear and trepidation in Europe, but
    that in Russia they remember and love him!
    soldier

    Jump up the spirit! Zhukovsky, give me your hand!
    Let the patriot exclaim with the singer:
    Praise and honor to Catherine the grandson!
    With him, the Russian laurel will be in clan and gens.
    1. Vend
      Vend 22 November 2015 11: 12
      +4
      The West is trying by all available means to denigrate the history of Russia. Such as Rezun help this. Of course, to go crazy and see the triumph of the Slavs everywhere doesn’t add us any pluses either. There are enough facts that archaeologists, linguists, historians find, which prove for example the antiquity of Slavs. Or Ivan the Terrible, who destroyed the 4 000 man for his rule, and then repented, as opposed to the destruction of the Hugugots, for example.
    2. Valiich
      Valiich 22 November 2015 22: 42
      +1
      The name of A.V. Suvorov, the Great Russian commander! Inscribed in gold letters in Russian history! Whose merits are undoubted and without controversy, for the Russian and Soviet people. Trying to produce something in this respect, they only expose themselves that "they" were afraid and did not understand and still fear and do not understand the Russian man and the Russian Soul! And how can they understand the Valor, Kindness, Selflessness and Decisiveness of the Russian-Soviet man! And God bless them all! The main thing is to remember the lessons of history and not come to us!
    3. Uncle VasyaSayapin
      Uncle VasyaSayapin 23 November 2015 10: 46
      0
      Maneuver and massacre, fortitude, military training, seizure of initiative, terrible image of an invincible enemy. All this was used before and after Suvorov. This was best used by the Mongols in the 13th century, the Wehrmacht in the 20th century, and Suvorov in the 18th. Talent, focus on professional issues to the detriment of everything else are also characteristic features of any geniuses. Lucky - this word should not be applied to Suvorov, but to Russia in relation to Suvorov. It is a pity that such people were not often met in the history of our country.
  2. parusnik
    parusnik 22 November 2015 06: 56
    +4
    One of them, now deceased, published a poem “Suvorov” several years ago.
    This poem was written in 1964 The author of these lines is Vladimir Nikolaevich Kornilov (June 29, 1928, Dnepropetrovsk - January 8, 2002, Moscow), Soviet Russian poet, writer and literary critic. In 1964, his first book was published in the publishing house "Soviet Writer" poems "Pier", and in 1965, on Akhmatova's recommendation, Kornilov was admitted to the Writers' Union of the USSR. Later he was published in samizdat and in foreign Russian-language publications, and also supported Julius Daniel and Andrei Sinyavsky. Since 1975, a member of the Soviet section of Amnesty International. ... Kornilov signed a letter to the "heads of state and government" with a request to protect academician Andrei Sakharov, in March 1977 he was expelled from the Union of Writers of the USSR, restored in 1988. The books were withdrawn from libraries and sold in 1979. 1986 Kornilov died of a bone tumor on January 8, 2002.
    1. yuriy55
      yuriy55 22 November 2015 07: 06
      +5
      You can argue a lot about the virtues of individuals whose names were inscribed on the pages of history many years ago, write verses and verses about them ... But, in my opinion, the words said by contemporaries will become close to the truth:
      It's never too late to learn
      Correct the misconduct of young years;
      That heart is right noble
      That seeks victory over himself.
      Look like a clear day, like a storm
      Suvorov is solid, always great!
      Follow him! - heaven in blue
      His star is still burning.

      yes
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 22 November 2015 07: 38
        +6
        You can argue a lot about the virtues of individuals whose names were inscribed on the pages of history many years ago, ... But I don’t argue .. about Suvorov’s personality .. Why not. I’ve collected not a bad library about him ...
        It’s just that the author didn’t say anything .. about the mentioned author .. the indicated poem .. I wrote shortly .. about the author .. Who is he ..
        1. V.ic
          V.ic 22 November 2015 17: 26
          +6
          Quote: parusnik
          I wrote briefly .. about the author .. Who it's him..

          Pardon ...g.d he!
  3. Barakuda
    Barakuda 22 November 2015 07: 00
    -5
    But why did they miss Berlin and not mention it? Although Catherine served.
  4. Shiva83483
    Shiva83483 22 November 2015 07: 12
    +7
    Like the Arabs: Every great man has innumerable envious people and blasphemers ... all the more island miserables have never met him in battle. It’s better not to talk about Europe, being bled a hundred times a day, not counting the holidays ... For A.V. Suvorov is a genius of military talent, unlike his detractors ..
    1. blizart
      blizart 22 November 2015 10: 06
      +9
      for complacency they inspire themselves that the Russian people are barbaric, stupid, accustomed to slavery, lawlessness and cruelty. ”
      Like a fox that didn't reach the grapes. Many times smaller losses - from swift to 40 versts of marches, which ensured surprise. It fell like snow on your head! In general, you yourself know everything. It's just enough to make excuses to the Western illiterate man in the street, who because of this is much more worthy to bear the name of a barbarian, stupid beadle, etc. We are not used to slavery, but simply humble and understand. that not everything in this life depends on us. I remember even during the years of our confrontation, starting from a very young age, we correctly studied all their wars and their leaders, paying tribute to their contribution to world history and culture. We look at the world much wider because they are much more literate, even massively literate. For example, I have no doubts about it. And for those in doubt, an example of cosmonaut Leonov is the Soyuz-Apollo program. In short: "I knew a lot about America. They didn't know anything about the USSR!" These are the astronauts! Salt of the earth so to speak!
  5. yuriy55
    yuriy55 22 November 2015 07: 15
    10
    After the death of the commander Gavril Romanovich Derzhavin wrote:

    Oh eternity! stop your noise of eternal debate:
    Who was superior to all the heroes in the world?
    In your sanctuary from us this day entered
    Suvorov.


    And here is another of his creations:
    That you start a song of war
    Flute like, cute snigir?
    With whom will we go to war on a hyena?
    Who is our leader now? Who is the hero?
    Strong where, brave, quick Suvorov?
    The thunder of the North lies in the coffin.

    Who before the army will be,
    Ride on a nag, gnaw crackers;
    In the cold and the heat of the sword tempering,
    Sleep on the straw, watch out until dawn;
    Thousands of armies, walls and bolts
    With a handful of Russians to win everything?

    To be first everywhere in strict courage;
    Jokes envy, anger bayonet,
    Rock depose by prayer and God
    Giving scepters to be called a slave;
    Valor being a single sufferer,
    Live for kings, exhaust yourself?

    Now there is no husband in the world so glorious:
    Fully sing a song to the military, snigir!
    Branna music is not funny this day,
    The languid howling lire is heard everywhere;
    Lionheart, eagle wings
    No longer with us! - what to fight?

    1800 year

    Read:
    http://geroiros.narod.ru/suv4.htm
  6. istoler
    istoler 22 November 2015 08: 09
    +4
    Russia periodically gives out a phenomenon that is wider than the Western worldview. In an attempt to understand it, European minds "freeze", and then without understanding it, they create a pseudo explanation, an evil myth. This is the Western civilization's method of psychological defense.
  7. vitya1945
    vitya1945 22 November 2015 09: 12
    10
    What would the Anglo-Saxons say if some serious historian compared the battles of Alexander the Great and Alexander Vasilievich?
    Suvorov, by the way, has much more.
    1. datur
      datur 22 November 2015 19: 46
      +3
      YES, even from the point of view of the Little Brittles !!! alas, BUT even for them it is clear that the PALM of Superiority is in our A.V. SUVOROV !!! IT EVEN IN THEIR PARAMETERS --- RESULTING !!! wink the Naglobritt’s hero is Wellington !!! he defeated NAPOLEON himself !! wink HOW and why they are not interested !! There is victory! and the rest of them, they’ll successfully, pour mud on the media! And not the first century !!!!
  8. Stirbjorn
    Stirbjorn 22 November 2015 09: 31
    11
    I would not say so about the whole of Europe. The legendary English admiral Nelson, for example, wrote to Suvorov: "I am showered with awards, but today I have received the highest award: they told me that I look like you."
  9. kvs207
    kvs207 22 November 2015 09: 50
    +6
    Paul I, also did not really like Suvorov. But when it was hot, he turned to him, not to anyone else.
    1. datur
      datur 22 November 2015 20: 01
      0
      [quote = kvs207] Paul I, also did not really like Suvorov. But when it was hot, he turned to him, not to anyone else. so who was ARAKCHEEV ??? wink
  10. Basil50
    Basil50 22 November 2015 12: 03
    +3
    Sometimes he even takes a dumbass on what and how they write about RUSSIANS and RUSSIA abroad. Perhaps that is why various traitors and renegades are rejected immediately. They lie, not believing in their own scriptures, but the customer demands, and strictly controls. And about the great people, the true heroes of RUSSIA, which they just won’t come up with. About AB Suvorov himself and about those times there are a lot of outright lies, and the phenomenon is that today they give this lie to historical sources, even realizing that it is a lie! Why, there is an order and payment is guaranteed, but there is no liability for defamation.
  11. bbss
    bbss 22 November 2015 12: 29
    +8
    Glory to Suvorov!
  12. Morrrow
    Morrrow 22 November 2015 12: 46
    +1
    These are ordinary pamphletists. They wrote about Napoleon, for example, that he eats English children.
  13. ALEA IACTA EST
    ALEA IACTA EST 22 November 2015 13: 29
    +6
    Let them hate, if only they were afraid.
  14. Truth-lovers
    Truth-lovers 22 November 2015 14: 32
    -12 qualifying.
    He was reminded of the excessive, in their opinion, victims of the suppression of the uprising of 1794. However, Suvorov acted appropriately to the combat situation and immediately stopped fighting when the enemy began to surrender, throwing out white flags.
    Here's something, but philanthropy during the pacification of Poland was NOT AT ALL. Read more. Almost no one left Prague, a suburb of Warsaw on the east coast, mostly populated by the way, by the way, emigrants, in particular Jews. There were killed women, and children planted on the peaks of the Cossacks. Suvorov himself was horrified by the pictures he saw and tried to end the massacre when Prague was already taken completely, his letters were preserved. It's just that what rolled in Izmail, when almost the entire garrison and many "inhabitants" were massacred by the right of taking the un-surrendered fortress, was not rolled out in the center of enlightened Europe, and therefore journalists, in general, deservedly attacked Suvorov. there was a massacre. But there were good reasons for this - in particular, that the uprising began on the pre-Easter days and local residents attacked the UNARMED Russian soldiers when they were IN THE TEMPLE.

    Suvorov, at the request of the dearest parent, visited the local Masonic lodge “To the Three Crowns” with reconnaissance goals,
    Believe me, they don't join Masonic lodges "for intelligence purposes." In general, Russians want this or not, but Suvorov was a Freemason, another thing is that he was a "bad Freemason". And by the way, this is one of the reasons that turned out to be among the decisive ones in the decision of the ROC to refuse the canonization of Suvorov (when Ushakov was canonized - he was neither a Mason, nor did he arrange a three-time general massacre - there was also the massacre of the Kuban nomads).

    Quote: Wend
    Or Ivan the Terrible, who destroyed 4 people for his rule, and then repented,
    In general, these are ONLY known by name and RECORDED IN SYNODIC and mainly of noble origin people. And there were still a lot of victims - "... Vasilko the prince, and with him his household and the little people of the courtyard ...", and we are not talking about the massacres in Novgorod or Polotsk. And yet - HE DID NOT REPENT, he believed that he was right in everything. And he even really thought so, without noticing how he turned from a great monarch into a paranoid tyrant ...

    Quote: Shiva83483
    About Europe, it’s best not to talk about, scoured a hundred times a day, not counting the holidays ...
    You have already been told that it is not worth all of Europe to soo indiscriminately. And in general, it was against the normal European army — against the French — that Suvorov began to have problems that were not against the Turks or the Kuban, or even against the Poles. All three battles against the French in Italy - won with heavy losses, and two of them - Trebbia and Novi - almost lost. And then there was the Swiss campaign, in which Massena essentially defeated Suvorov, holding him in the Alps so that the Russian army barely escaped, losing from a third to half of the composition - in fact the only defeat of our probably greatest commander (and then strategic, not tactical) .

    Quote: vitya1945
    What would the Anglo-Saxons say if some serious historian compared the battles of Alexander the Great and Alexander Vasilievich? Suvorov, by the way, has much more.
    Yes, compared already. Unfortunately no, Suvorov has fewer victories. Macedonian passed all of Asia up to India with battles. Suvorov fought not so many times (and many times less than Napoleon, for example), but each time with constant success.
    1. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 22 November 2015 15: 03
      +6
      Quote: True-Loving
      And then there was the Swiss campaign, in which Massena essentially defeated Suvorov, holding him in the Alps so that the Russian army barely escaped, losing from a third to half of the composition - in fact the only defeat of our probably greatest commander (and then strategic, not tactical) .

      Masséna's losses in the Battle of Muten alone exceeded the losses of the Russians for the entire Swiss campaign. Well, it is appropriate to recall the words of Massena himself - "I would give all my victories for one Swiss campaign of Suvorov."
    2. Morrrow
      Morrrow 22 November 2015 16: 18
      -17 qualifying.
      I do not consider Suvorov the greatest commander. Rumyantsev and Saltykov were no worse. Guilt of Suvorov is that he went to Switzerland without cards. And then he also lied to the breakdown on the Devil's Bridge, which was not there.
      1. datur
        datur 22 November 2015 19: 31
        +5
        Suvorov’s choice was not rich, either to die due to the betrayal of the Allies! or the damn bridge! HE CHOSEN AND WINS !!! And why are you not happy? And yes, RUMYANTSEV WAS A BRAVE !!! A SALTYKOV Great Russian Colonel !!! BUT WITH THE GREAT SUVOROV, they still can not be compared !!!!
        1. Morrrow
          Morrrow 22 November 2015 21: 08
          -7
          One could wait for normal maps of the Alps. Suvorov did not do this and ran into an ice dead end and lost many people there
          1. Vladislav 73
            Vladislav 73 22 November 2015 22: 20
            +3
            If only yes ... The fact that Suvorov rested on how you say an ice deadlock is a direct betrayal of the Austrians, such as allies, who did absolutely nothing that they had to do to ensure the Swiss campaign of Suvorov. You are there like such nonsense on Echo Poryat Moscow, they will gladly believe you there! Or is it better to arrange a poll at the TRK Rain, maybe Suvorov should have surrendered an army than fight the French?
          2. Turkir
            Turkir 22 November 2015 22: 46
            +2
            One could wait for normal maps of the Alps

            Yes, that's for sure. Now, if you were on the site of Suvorov, then you would google all the things.
            1. Morrrow
              Morrrow 23 November 2015 06: 05
              0
              But I would definitely not go without cards. This is the Alps, not the Lombard plain
              1. Stirbjorn
                Stirbjorn 23 November 2015 09: 07
                +2
                Quote: Morrrow
                But I would definitely not go without cards. This is the Alps, not the Lombard plain
                Left cards threw allies, and time was running out, because it was necessary to go to the connection with Rimsky-Korsakov. As a result, Suvorov decided to trust the local native Antonio Gamba, who, to his honor and despite his advanced age, went through the entire campaign with the Russian army to the end. Even the corresponding monument is on Saint Gotthard
              2. Uncle VasyaSayapin
                Uncle VasyaSayapin 23 November 2015 11: 12
                -1
                It’s clear that you are not a genius, and therefore you wouldn’t go. But Rumyantsev and Saltykov were not really much inferior to Suvorov in military successes. It is not clear why they are rarely mentioned. Maybe due to the fact that he was an unusual person in everyday life, he often wore a white shirt and not a uniform, got up early, went to bed early. Unusual attracts attention. A kind of eccentric old man. An interesting image. Perhaps others lacked the brightness of the image. From the side, he probably seemed to contemporaries not from this world as a man.
                1. Morrrow
                  Morrrow 23 November 2015 12: 18
                  0
                  I can tell you why - because in 1941 Stalin appointed two generals great - Kutuzov as Savior and Suvorov as a good soldier.
              3. tupolev-95
                tupolev-95 23 November 2015 22: 00
                0
                I think that in those days you would not have risen above corporal. Suvorov is well known for finding a solution in any situation.
      2. Vladislav 73
        Vladislav 73 22 November 2015 22: 08
        +5
        Yeah, it wasn’t .. So near this Devil's Bridge a piece of land belongs to Russia, there is a monument to A.V. Suvorov and his soldiers who died on this campaign. The community of Urzern donated a site for the monument to Russia, and now it is Russian territory.
        1. Morrrow
          Morrrow 23 November 2015 06: 01
          -1
          Read the memory of the soldiers. There was no fight. The French blew up the bridge and left, while ours have already passed through the blown up bridge, which has not completely collapsed. This was the feat.
    3. V.ic
      V.ic 22 November 2015 17: 35
      +8
      Quote: True-Loving
      because there was a massacre. But there were good reasons for this - in particular, that the uprising began on Easter days and the locals attacked the DEMANDING Russian soldiers when they were in the TEMPLE.

      This is where they would begin their commentary, namely, with the mass extermination of the Russian garrison. Someone had to "have a response".
      1. Turkir
        Turkir 22 November 2015 22: 12
        +1
        This is where we would start our comment

        It's too easy. And as if he wrote the truth, the truth is a little.
    4. datur
      datur 22 November 2015 20: 05
      +1
      WELL PSHEKAM in their affairs, there was only one punishment, DEATH !!!! SO what A.V. SUVOROV saved many Poles lives !!! wink
    5. Nicola Bari
      Nicola Bari 22 November 2015 20: 06
      +2
      When I read about that. that the Russians are bloodthirsty barbarians, it makes me sad that the Russians really did not do what was unfairly attributed to them.
    6. sherp2015
      sherp2015 22 November 2015 20: 07
      +1
      Quote: True-Loving
      Suvorov was a Freemason, another thing is that he was a "bad Freemason".


      He may have been a bad freemason, but he was an excellent military commander!
    7. Turkir
      Turkir 22 November 2015 22: 27
      +2
      Suvorov was a freemason, an Illuminati, a spy for intelligence from six countries, he pulled money out of them, and he was also a cutie and a card sharpie. He had erratic sexual relations, mainly in the hayfields of captured sheds. Also, I don’t know why, the Italians loved him very much.
      Between these pleasant deeds, he fought. And if you read Napoleon’s memoirs, Massena lost to Suvorov. But this accident for some reason terribly angered Napoleon - if I were there, he wrote indignantly.
      And so, if you read a lot of books written by foreign experts, then of course, a petty person, there was this one - Suvorov. He still got a scolding from Paul, for the fact that he released many captured Poles from captivity. The Poles are still grateful to him for this. They can’t forget in any way. Already, they grit their teeth.
    8. alexej123
      alexej123 23 November 2015 00: 01
      +1
      I will voice you a different point of view. It all started with the fact that the Poles barbarously massacred the Russian detachment. During the storming of Prague and Warsaw, the soldiers were seized with a thirst for revenge. In Prague, "they frolicked", the same fate awaited Warsaw, Suvorov did not give.
    9. alexej123
      alexej123 23 November 2015 00: 01
      0
      I will voice you a different point of view. It all started with the fact that the Poles barbarously massacred the Russian detachment. During the storming of Prague and Warsaw, the soldiers were seized with a thirst for revenge. In Prague, "they frolicked", the same fate awaited Warsaw, Suvorov did not give.
  15. Alex
    Alex 22 November 2015 15: 34
    +6
    Quote: Roman Ilushchenko
    In fact, the attacks began back in the time when Suvorov, thanks to his military talent, became widely known outside the Fatherland. The French, of course, who had a tooth on him, succeeded in this.

    I remember, at one of the tournaments there was such a question:

    Tarla was once commissioned to edit a translation of the French Encyclopedia. Opening the article at random, he read: "Alexander Suvorov, Russian colonel, repeatedly defeated by the French" ... The entire edition of Tarle for this Encyclopedia was limited to three questions in the margins of the book. Which ones?
    Answer: What? Where? When?


    That's all their "historical objectivity", for which many now stand up.
  16. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 22 November 2015 15: 49
    +1
    Open Britannica Encyclopedia:
    Aleksandr Vasilyevich Suvorov, Count Rimniksky

    Full praise, no criticism ...
    1. V.ic
      V.ic 22 November 2015 17: 33
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      Quote: voyaka uh
      Continuous praise, no criticism.

      About the deceased, either good or nothing, besides beating France, Alexander Vasilievich was the executor of the desires of the island viper.
    2. Days
      Days 22 November 2015 21: 19
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      You have a very good statistical population for conclusions. Try to work on representativeness.
  17. Turkir
    Turkir 22 November 2015 16: 23
    +5
    Good article. When they could not answer the question to Suvorov, he didn’t call such officers “non-guts”. Suvorov knew seven European languages.
    Extraordinary personality. A brilliant example for posterity.
  18. Kim Klimov
    Kim Klimov 22 November 2015 22: 40
    +1
    Suvorov - the pride and glory of Russia and the Russian people!
  19. Truth-lovers
    Truth-lovers 22 November 2015 23: 44
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    So, as many as 11 cons cowardly? I wonder why, if not a word of lies, but all the facts that are difficult to refute?

    Quote: Stirbjorn
    Masséna's losses in the Battle of Muten alone exceeded the losses of the Russians for the entire Swiss campaign. Well, it is appropriate to recall the words of Massena himself - "I would give all my victories for one Swiss campaign of Suvorov."
    1. The loss is wrong, not exceeded. Moreover, the losses of Suvorov’s army are officially supposedly one third, actually up to half of the army. 2. They are somewhat taken out of context. They were said precisely in terms of how perfectly brilliantly Suvorov was able to break out of his strategic environment. By the way, what happened there before that WITH THE WHOLE ROSENBERG ARMY then near Zurich?

    Quote: Kim Klimov
    Suvorov - the pride and glory of Russia and the Russian people!
    Without a shadow of a doubt! And the fact that he is the organizer of three massacres (Ishmael, Prague near Warsaw and the destruction of the Kuban horde) and the freemason does not detract from this.

    Quote: Morrrow
    Rumyantsev and Saltykov were no worse.
    Rumyantsev - yes, IT IS POSSIBLE HOW THE SILVER COMMUNITY EXCEEDS SUVOROVA (one battle at Kagul is worth what - in terms of power ratio is steeper than Suvorov at Rymnik / Martinesti). And by the way, by the way, there was a big fan of Prussian military art. But Saltykov - to put it mildly inferior. Although it became one of the samples for the young Suvorov (the other was Karl XII Swedish - this is for reference).

    Quote: Turkir
    Uvorov was a freemason, an Illuminati, a spy of the intelligence of six countries, he pulled money out of them, and he was also a cutie and a card sharpie.
    Well, what is nonsense ?! It was Suvorov who was practically a saint in his personal life; very strictly observed the Commandments and led the lifestyle of a Christian ascetic (in this his "disciple" Kutuzov was much inferior to him - he, yes, walked around the girls strongly and loved to feast).

    And Alexander Vasilyevich - he often drank in the morning, for example, "coffee in Russian": getting up, take a dip in a bucket of very cold, almost icy water - "and such cheerfulness that no coffee is needed." The Austrian prince Coburg, watching this action once (and Suvorov was a count and a prince), was simply in a quiet decline and remembered this for the rest of his life.

    Quote: Turkir
    And if you read Napoleon’s memoirs, Massena lost to Suvorov.
    Not quite so, it was said that, possessing all the trump cards Massena could not destroy the army of Suvorov, and he brilliantly turned out of the strategic encirclement (the Russian army of Rosenberg and Franco (from the "white" royalists) - the Austrian corps of Goetze - so they were almost completely destroyed completely). Alexander Vasilyevich very deeply personally experienced this defeat and, on the whole, although not the first, but the only major defeat, brought him, who had already undermined his health, to the grave.
  20. vitya1945
    vitya1945 23 November 2015 05: 34
    +3
    I want to answer to Pravdolyubov
    I do not want to belittle the merits of Alexander Filipovich of Macedon in any way, but he had about a dozen major battles, apart from minor clashes with the Thracian tribes. It is known for certain that He could not take the city of Termessos (this is not far from present-day Antalya)
    Alesander Vasilievich spent more than 60 battles and won all of them.
  21. vitya1945
    vitya1945 23 November 2015 05: 55
    +1
    Massena himself recognizes the superiority of Suvorov, the losses in the Battle of Muten speak for themselves, and Mr. Pravdolyubov speaks of a major defeat.
  22. Moore
    Moore 23 November 2015 06: 09
    +1
    In 1800, one of the first books about the commander was published in Paris and Amsterdam, which said that “Suvorov was just a funny jester, if he had not shown himself to be the most warlike barbarian. This is a monster that encloses the soul of a dog and a flayer in the body of a monkey. Attila, his compatriot and probably ancestor, was neither so fortunate nor so cruel. Inherent ferocity, which takes the place of courage, is inherent in him: he pours blood by instinct, like a tiger. ”

    Indeed, where is Alexander Vasilyevich to the same "civilized" Swedish "humanist-common man" Karl Gustav Renschild - who killed captured Russian soldiers by conveyor belt method. What is typical, when he was captured by the wild barbarians a la rus, he was not hanged for war crimes on the very first aspen, but first sent into exile, and then generally returned to the place of permanent residence.
    This is what I mean ... We will always be for these "civilized" enemies. Temporary alliances? Yes, it is possible. But all khachukakunikha should remember that they are no more than the second grade for "common people".
  23. vitya1945
    vitya1945 23 November 2015 06: 10
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    https://m.vk.com/topic-12122722_31261096 Сражения А.В.Суворова
  24. 23424636
    23424636 23 November 2015 22: 33
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    The Greeks of the Sea of ​​Azov owed their survival to A.V. Suvorov, it was he who brought their 17600 souls in the 1768 year from Crimea at the direction of Catherine 2 and did not allow the Tatars to cut them. Therefore, the monument to Suvorov and Catherine 2 in Mariupol are worthy of.
    1. Good me
      Good me 29 November 2015 21: 39
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      Quote: 23424636
      The Greeks of the Sea of ​​Azov owed their survival to A.V. Suvorov, it was he who brought their 17600 souls in the 1768 year from Crimea at the direction of Catherine 2 and did not allow the Tatars to cut them. Therefore, the monument to Suvorov and Catherine 2 in Mariupol are worthy of.


      Mariupol worthy of being EXCEPTED.