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The first war Tu-95 and Tu-160

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November 17th distant aviation The aerospace forces of Russia conducted a unique operation. 25 long-range and strategic bombers carried out a massive missile bomb attack on various terrorist targets in Syria. This operation is interesting for its tactical and strategic consequences, and is also important from the point of view stories. On November 17 the first real combat use of strategic bombers Tu-95MS and Tu-160 took place. Despite a fairly long career, these planes have not yet participated in armed conflicts and have not destroyed actual targets.


According to the Russian Ministry of Defense, in the morning (Moscow time) on November 17, long-range Tu-22М3, Tu-95MS and Tu-160 bombers with various payloads were raised into the air. The 12 of the Tu-22М3 airplanes that took off from the Mozdok airfield, from 5: 00 to 5: 30 bombed several targets in the Syrian provinces of Raqqa and Dair Al-Zor. In 9: 00, the strategic missile carriers Tu-95MS and Tu-160 launched an attack. They launched 34 airborne cruise missiles, which soon destroyed the predetermined targets in the provinces of Idlib and Aleppo. Having completed missile launches, the "strategists" went home to Engels airbase. Later, around 16: 30 Tu-22М3 bombers struck a second blow at enemy targets. During this operation, Tu-22М3 overcame about 4510 km, Tu-95MS and Tu-160 - 6566 km.


Slide from the presentation of the Ministry of Defense dedicated to long-range aviation sorties. Shot from Russia Today / Prokhor-tebin.livejournal.com report


As already mentioned, last Tuesday was a unique day for domestic long-range aviation. Immediately, two strategic bombers, after several decades of relatively peaceful exploitation, finally took part in real hostilities and fired rockets not for conventional targets, but for real enemy targets. If we count from the date of adoption, the Tu-95 bombers had to wait for this day 59 years (from 1956), and Tu-160 - 28 years (from 1987). Thus, the Tu-95 set a new world record in time between the start of service and the start of a real combat career, which is unlikely to ever be broken.

Tu-95

Recall design work on a new strategic bomber, called Tu-95, started in the late forties. The first flight experienced vehicle of this type made 12 November 1952, i.e. 63 years ago. Initially it was a turboprop bomber designed to deliver conventional and nuclear bombs to enemy targets. The specific requirements for the aircraft led to the use of a number of the most interesting technical solutions, which in one way or another provided the possibility of several upgrades and uniquely long-term operation.


Tu-95 basic modification. Photo Vikond65.livejournal.com


Over time, several modifications were made to the base Tu-95 aircraft. An upgraded version of the Tu-95M was developed and put into series, in the late fifties the first missile carrier of the family appeared - the Tu-95K. Also, the long-range bomber became the base for the Tu-95РЦ reconnaissance target designator, the Tu-142 anti-submarine aircraft, the Tu-126 anti-radar aircraft, etc. Of particular interest is the project Tu-114, in which the strategic bomber "turned" into a long-haul passenger airliner. Also, the Tu-95 was to be the basis for a Tu-119 bomber equipped with a nuclear power plant.

On the basis of the first missile carrier of the Tu-95K family, several modifications were developed for the use of guided missiles of various types. The Tu-95K, Tu-95K-22, Tu-95KD and Tu-95КM airplanes could carry and launch cruise missiles X-20, X-20М and X-22, which significantly increased the strike potential of long-range aviation and also expanded the range of tasks . The operation of the K-family continued for several decades, after which this technique was supplemented or replaced with newer aircraft.

At present, Russian long-range aviation operates several dozen Tu-95MS aircraft. This modification, intended for the use of air-based cruise missiles, was developed in the late seventies on the basis of the Tu-142M anti-submarine aircraft. Since the early eighties, these missile carriers were produced serially and handed over to combat troops. Until 1992, the 90 Tu-95MS aircraft were built, after which mass production was stopped. At the moment, more than three dozen such aircraft remain in service.

In 2013, the next stage of modernization of the existing aviation technology began. Bombers Tu-95MS are being repaired and upgraded, during which they receive a set of new radio-electronic equipment, which allows to improve the general characteristics, as well as to use weapons of new types. After modernization, the aircraft receives the designation Tu-95MSM. It was argued that the upgraded aircraft will be able to remain in service, at least until the mid-twenties.


Modern Tu-95MS. Photo Beriev.com


On the morning of November 17, 2015, six Tu-95MS bombers flew from Engels airfield and headed for the launch site of cruise missiles at terrorist sites in Syria. As far as is known, in this operation the aircraft used cruise missiles X-55 (or X-555). The video materials published by the military department show that the used missiles were transported inside the cargo compartments, on drum launchers. The number of missiles launched by each of the six aircraft is unknown.

Tu-160

Creating a promising strategic supersonic bomber-missile launched in the late sixties. After a number of different events and disputes at the highest levels, the Tupolev Design Bureau was attracted to the development of such equipment, which eventually won the competition to create a new aircraft. In collaboration with several hundreds of related enterprises, a project was created, according to which a prototype of the new aircraft was built in the early eighties.

The first war Tu-95 and Tu-160
The first prototype of the Tu-160. Photo Airwar.ru


An experienced Tu-160 first flew 18 December 1981 of the year. A little later, several other vehicles joined the flight tests. Checks and refinement continued over the next few years, after which it was decided to start mass production of new technology. In 1984, the Kazan Aviation Plant began to master the assembly of new missile carriers. The first production aircraft took off on October 10 of the same year. Later a relatively large series was built. In total, 35 machines were built: 8 prototypes and 27 production aircraft.

After the collapse of the Soviet Union, the Tu-160 bombers built and delivered by the Air Force went to Russia and Ukraine. Having abandoned its nuclear status, Ukraine intended to dispose of the strategic missile carriers that it had acquired, including the Tu-19 160 units. As a result of lengthy negotiations, an agreement was signed, according to which Kiev, in order to pay off debts for gas supplies, was to transfer to Moscow 8 Tu-160, 3 Tu-95MS aircraft, several hundred cruise missiles and various equipment. One of the Tu-160 was transferred to the Poltava Museum of Long-Range Aviation. The remaining aircraft remaining in Ukraine were disposed of.

At present, Russia has 16 strategic Tu-160 missile carriers, based at Engels airfield. Currently, a program of repair and modernization of this technology is being implemented, during which the aircraft receive a number of new equipment. Not so long ago, a decision was made to resume the mass production of such aircraft. Over the next decades, several dozen new missile carriers with enhanced characteristics could be built.


Forward Tu-160 "Alexander Novikov". Wikimedia Commons Photos


On November 17, Tu-160 bombers took part in an operation conducted by the Russian Air Force in Syria. In the morning, five cars of this type took off and headed to the launch area. The purpose of the departure was a massive attack of objects of terrorists in Syria. Going into the specified area, the bombers performed missile launches. The published official launch chronicle is of great interest: during this operation, a new type of missile was used by the Tu-160. It was not the old and customary X-55 that was used, but some new ammunition of a characteristic type, probably X-101.

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For several decades, the strategic bombers Tu-95 and Tu-160 participated in various exercises, patrolled specified areas, or simply stood idle on the ground without work. For all this time they have never managed to participate in the attack of a real goal during a real armed conflict. For the first military operation, the Tu-95s have been waiting for almost six decades, and the Tu-160 were able to fire on real targets only in the 29-year of service.

The time of "inaction" is over. Both Russian strategic missile carriers finally took part in the battles and opened the scoring for their victories. During their first combat sortie, 11, two types of aircraft launched 34 cruise missiles and destroyed a number of enemy targets in two Syrian provinces. The battle account was opened effectively and efficiently. Whether the Tu-95MS and Tu-160 will carry out new combat missions to attack the objects of terrorists is still unknown. Nevertheless, these planes have already shown what they are capable of, and now no one can accuse them of the fact that they cannot perform real combat missions.


On the materials of the sites:
http://ria.ru/
http://tass.ru/
http://mil.ru/
http://airwar.ru/
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  1. NEXUS
    NEXUS 19 November 2015 06: 11 New
    39
    So the time has come for our "strategists" to show the whole world that one of our components of the Triad is combat-ready and can carry out any task of maintaining peace and order. And something tells me that this is not the last time.
    Fixed, at the request of the user. sniper
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS 19 November 2015 06: 35 New
      20
      Quote: NEXUS
      that this is the last show.

      I wanted to write NOT THE LAST TIME. The keyboard is sticking. Sorry. hi
      1. mark2
        mark2 19 November 2015 08: 54 New
        26
        Her, let the last one be better! So that after watching this show, every bastard in the farthest corners of the globe realized that there are not so many places where a flock of "White Swans" and "Bears" cannot reach.
        1. Exsubmariner
          Exsubmariner 19 November 2015 23: 12 New
          +8
          "... Flocks of 'White Swans' are flying south ..."
          1. Now we are free
            Now we are free 20 November 2015 10: 14 New
            15
            Despite the importance of delivering missile and bomb strikes on ISIS positions / infrastructure, the ultimate goal is apparently not a bearded locust ...
            I came to one conclusion after watching a report about the use of Tu-22M3, "Bears" and "Swans":
            -On the airfields of "Strategov" there is just some kind of traffic, some sides land, others immediately soar into the sky, ie. pilots gain tremendous experience in long-distance flights / practical shooting
            -Boards are loaded not even half (Tu-22M3 in particular) with 1/5 bombs, which suggests that the main task is not so much the destruction of ISIS facilities as the ability to run in as many combat crews as possible in combat and machines themselves.

            Russia shows "Probable partners" that it can: 1) Provide "Dark Sky" to any partner and there will be enough Strategic bombers and kerosene and bombs for that ... 2) The Russian Aerospace Forces have new "toys" and they are like "Caliber" earlier they can VERY MUCH surprise anyone who doubts the strength of the Russian Federation ...

            P.S. And in the end, I would like to say for ALL PROVIDERS, children, cars now (for some reason) do not fall and roll out for GDP during take-off / landing, and indeed all missile launches and bomb drops occur in normal mode. wink
            1. pvv113
              pvv113 21 November 2015 20: 11 New
              +3
              don't roll out for GDP

              Too shy to fix: runway - runway hi
            2. Indifferent
              Indifferent 21 November 2015 21: 50 New
              0
              It is recommended to knock on the tree so as not to jinx it! And so everything is correct!
          2. Bauer
            Bauer 21 November 2015 21: 29 New
            +1
            Autumn has come ...
      2. FID
        FID 19 November 2015 08: 59 New
        30
        Quote: NEXUS
        I wanted to write NOT THE LAST TIME

        Hello Andrei! In aviation, the word "last" (as in the Navy, I think) is not used. Better to write "extreme" ...
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 19 November 2015 09: 02 New
          10
          Quote: SSI
          Hello Andrei! In aviation, the word "last" (as in the Navy, I think) is not used. Better to write "extreme" ...

          I wish you good health, Sergey Ivanovich. hi
          My mistake, I'm sorry, I forgot ... correct soldier
          1. ancient
            ancient 19 November 2015 09: 58 New
            +7
            Quote: NEXUS
            My mistake, I'm sorry, I forgot ... correct


            Andrey, hello! .... Don't forget .. we're on .. "streamer" drinks

            The article is normal, but here's a piece of advice to the author .... to be with the "numbers" .. be careful wink ..quote - "During this operation, Tu-22M3 covered about 4510 km." wink
            If the author specified that .. by the whole operation he understands BOTH departure in total, then yes .. then it turns out wink
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS 19 November 2015 10: 01 New
              +3
              Quote: ancient
              Andrey, hello! .... Don't forget .. we're on .. "streamer"

              Hello Sasha drinksYes I know, I know, watch like Cerberus laughing If you want to stretch your cheers with patriots and fiddle with foam, go to the branch about SU-35 for China ... wink
              1. ancient
                ancient 19 November 2015 10: 33 New
                +6
                Quote: NEXUS
                If you want to stretch your cheers with patriots and fiddle with foam, go to the branch about SU-35 for China ...


                Yes, I just was ..... read 1/3 and .. "threw" .. useless dispute ... all "urya-patriots" in one voice .. need money, this is a benefit, we will tie the Chinese, etc. etc. in general, "urya-patriotic naive or ..." custom execution " wassat
                Well, on the other hand .... all of us ... and the result .. everything will be like this .. as "said ITSELF" ... pound water in a mortar ..... to the Chinese Su-35 .. us "alterations "SM3 from su-27P ..." okay. "
                Thank God that they did not let the "Merry Milkman" gobble up the Su-30SM (the Supreme SEAFARERS have a separate soldier ) .... otherwise ... that would be "laughing" crying
                1. NEXUS
                  NEXUS 19 November 2015 10: 36 New
                  +3
                  Quote: ancient
                  Yes, I just was ..... read 1/3 and .. "threw" .. useless dispute ... all "urya-patriots" in one voice .. need money, this is a benefit, we will tie the Chinese, etc. etc. in general, "urya-patriotic naive or ..." custom execution "

                  I liked more about the 3D printer laughing Here amers have a printing press, the Chinese have a 3D printer ... and what do we have? Poke method?laughing
              2. OlegLex
                OlegLex 20 November 2015 15: 29 New
                0
                and throw a link?
            2. Duke
              Duke 19 November 2015 12: 40 New
              +7
              A massive strike on the positions of the terrorists of the "Islamic State" in Syria continues, now it is being carried out by the Tu-22M3 squadron. This was announced by the commander of the long-range aviation of the Russian Federation, Anatoly Zhikharev.
              "A reinforced squadron of Tu-22M3 long-range bombers from the Mozdok airfield during the day inflicts two group airstrikes against ISIS targets in eastern Syria in the Deir ez-Zor and Raqqa provinces. One of the strikes was carried out at night, the second is being carried out at the moment." , - he said. According to him, long-range aircraft began to strike at IS targets in Syria from today.
              "To carry out the missions, all types of air strike systems in service with long-range aviation have been involved: strategic missile carriers Tu-160 and Tu-95MS and long-range bombers Tu-22M3. air strike ", - said Zhikharev.
              Tu-160 and Tu-95MS have already landed at their airfields after completing combat missions, Zhikharev noted.
              "Maintenance and preparation of aviation equipment for subsequent sorties is being carried out, materials of objective control are being analyzed," said the commander of the Long-Range Aviation of the Russian Federation. Within 48 days, the Russian aviation group carried out 2289 sorties and delivered 4111 missile and bomb strikes on the main infrastructure facilities, accumulations of military equipment and manpower of militants, during the hostilities, 562 command posts, 64 terrorist training camps, 54 factories for the manufacture of weapons and ammunition and other facilities were destroyed

              1. Lieutenant colonel
                Lieutenant colonel 20 November 2015 07: 36 New
                +4
                22 handsome men are my love. Very beautiful ship !!!!!!
            3. OlegLex
              OlegLex 20 November 2015 15: 29 New
              +1
              Yeah, the figure immediately strained me too and it’s useful to calculate the distances, since now I don’t have to bother with the curvimeter :)
        2. laogun
          laogun 20 November 2015 16: 40 New
          +6
          I can briefly tell the story of the origin of this idiocy. Read Vinogradov's book about correct speech, if I'm not mistaken, published in 1961. At that time, it became fashionable to speak at the end of the line "who is last" and to pull back on the one who said "who is last". Then, due to idiotic fear and invented superstitions, this was picked up in the submarine fleet and the Air Force. In the 90s, in the Chechen wars, this is consolidated in the troops. So I have to enlighten the literate that in the Slavic languages ​​the word "edge" means the end - whoever was in Serbia knows that they do not speak the last time, but only the last, since there is a previous-last-next. I can recall songs about the Second World War such as "The last battle is the most difficult one" - our grandfathers did not distort the Russian language and would not impose your idiocy on everyone. They say "the last time" and there is "next time" - after the "last time" nothing more follows. So think about what you say before teaching others.
          1. 3axap82
            3axap82 20 November 2015 18: 38 New
            +1
            Very reasonable analysis. Personally, I agree with you. But flyers will always speak extreme.
          2. Tur76
            Tur76 5 July 2017 17: 15 New
            0
            I fully support, served for 25 years in a melt, 15 of them on iron, and yet I see no reason to mock my native language
      3. sniper
        sniper 19 November 2015 11: 03 New
        +2
        Quote: NEXUS
        I wanted to write NOT THE LAST TIME

        Corrected ... drinks
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 19 November 2015 16: 50 New
          +3
          Quote: sniper
          Corrected ...

          Thank you Nikolay drinks
    2. Starover_Z
      Starover_Z 19 November 2015 07: 06 New
      +4
      Almost six decades have been waiting for their first combat operation, the Tu-95, and the Tu-160 were able to fire at real targets only in the 29 year of service.

      And it would be nice if they and the like flew in the last sorties!
      1. blizart
        blizart 19 November 2015 07: 32 New
        +7
        Quote: Starover_Z
        Almost six decades have been waiting for their first combat operation, the Tu-95, and the Tu-160 were able to fire at real targets only in the 29 year of service.

        And it would be nice if they and the like flew in the last sorties!

        This fact very visibly emphasizes our peacefulness. Despite this event, I’m not afraid of the word - epoch-making, it happened as if it were everyday, in the working mode. Probably because it was prepared for the upcoming, no less significant. So inevitably - Russia has returned.
        1. Angryvinny
          Angryvinny 19 November 2015 11: 28 New
          +3
          And our peace of mind shows that when our line of defense passed far in the west, west of Berlin, south of Sofia ... And now NATO has every chance to place its borders near Belgorod and Bryansk.
          As it is now fashionable to say in some places ZDOBULY !!! laughing
    3. Trailer
      Trailer 19 November 2015 07: 56 New
      +4
      Hello. And in Georgia, in 2008, what plane did we lose? Sorry - there Tu-22 was

      Tu-22M3 — unit destroyed by enemy fire crew killed perishable — shot down at night 8 — 9 on August, according to the official version - during reconnaissance flight, unofficially - during the departure for the bombing of a Georgian military base. [32] One crew member was captured (Major Vyacheslav Malkov; released on August 19 [33]), two died (navigators Major Viktor Pryadkin and Major Igor Nesterov), one went missing (Lt. Col. Alexander Coventsov). [34] [35]
      1. goose
        goose 19 November 2015 11: 22 New
        -10
        Tu-22 bombers wrote off everything, only scouts remained.
        1. ancient
          ancient 19 November 2015 11: 30 New
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          Quote: goose
          Tu-22 bombers wrote off everything, only scouts remained.


          If you mean exactly the Tu-22, i.e. "awl" .. then they are generally nowhere to be found, except in museums



          and in the form of monuments soldier

    4. vodolaz
      vodolaz 19 November 2015 09: 12 New
      +8
      I work with men who used to serve as navigators in Long-Range Aviation and they were very happy about this news.
    5. Alexey-74
      Alexey-74 19 November 2015 10: 01 New
      +3
      Viva our strategists !!!
    6. marinier
      marinier 19 November 2015 19: 35 New
      +1
      Good fan!
      I assure you, there is no doubt in the West about Russia's combat readiness.
      There are serious doubts about the United States. Will they not
      insert sticks into the wheels and torpedo the actions of Russia in
      Syria.
    7. Dmitry Toderes
      Dmitry Toderes 21 November 2015 15: 01 New
      +2
      Tu-160 reminds me of this spaceship.
  2. oldav
    oldav 19 November 2015 06: 25 New
    +5
    So will it continue to produce or not? 16 pcs for a country like Russia is about nothing.
    1. Sirocco
      Sirocco 19 November 2015 06: 28 New
      +1
      Quote: oldav
      So will it continue to produce or not? 16 pcs for a country like Russia is about nothing.

      You contact here, http://mil.ru will tell you in detail.
    2. NEXUS
      NEXUS 19 November 2015 06: 30 New
      +5
      Quote: oldav
      So will it continue to produce or not? 16 pcs for a country like Russia is about nothing.

      As one smart man told me, and having familiarized myself with this topic, I agree with him, it will be more likely a revival of the T-54C hi
  3. Sirocco
    Sirocco 19 November 2015 06: 26 New
    +3
    On November 17, the first real combat use of the strategic bombers Tu-95MS and Tu-160 took place. Despite a fairly long career, these aircraft have not yet participated in armed conflicts and did not destroy real targets.

    I don’t even know what to comment on, I’ll say one smart thing.
    It's hard to learn easily in combat.
    I hope that it was so for our pilots.
    1. Oprichnik
      Oprichnik 19 November 2015 13: 14 New
      +3
      Sorry Sirocco.
      It’s hard to learn, easy to hike. Suvorov said just that, and that’s right.
  4. Griboedoff
    Griboedoff 19 November 2015 06: 27 New
    +6
    Great training for crews and testing equipment! Yes, and in the case!
  5. corporal
    corporal 19 November 2015 06: 33 New
    +3
    And how many Tu 160 can take AVBPM (dad of all bombs)?
    I want to gloat wassat
    1. FID
      FID 19 November 2015 09: 01 New
      +6
      In the bombs (there are 2 of them) there are 2 drums for cruise missiles, I have never heard of freely falling bombs ...
      1. opus
        opus 19 November 2015 23: 37 New
        +5
        Quote: SSI
        I have never heard of freely falling bombs ...

        Two weapons bays can accommodate a different target load:

        The initial draft of the Tu-160 (1975 g.):
        1) 2 x X-45, later X-45M
        2) 24 x X-15
        3) 10-12 x X-55
        4) 10-12 x X-15M
        5) conventional bombs, nuclear bombs, UAB with laser and TV seekers, naval mines.

        At the request of the Air Force, it was planned to install a defensive artillery installation with a GSh-6-30 gun.

        The basic version of the Tu-160 (1981, draft):
        1) 12 x AS-15 (X-55 / X-55М) on two revolving MKU-6-5У
        2) 24 x AS-16 (X-15) on four revolving MKU (weapons option not brought to implementation)
        3) 4 x nuclear bombs with the power of 5, 20 (?), 50 (?) Mt
        4) 16 x FAB-1000
        5) 22 x FAB-750
        6) CAB-1500



        In the process of modernization based on the model of 2006, the armament range will include X-555, X-101 and X-102 ballistic missiles, AS-16 (X-15) aeroballistic missiles, conventional free-falling bombs and UAB.

        The Obzor-K sighting and navigation system includes the Poisk bombing and navigation radar (detection range for large targets of radio-contrast targets from high altitudes - 600 km or more) and the OPB-15T Groza optoelectronic bomber sight (daytime bombing , or bombing in low light conditions, T - probably "TV"). In the course of modernization, the aircraft can receive a laser designator for the use of corrected aerial bombs with laser seeker from high altitudes.



        The bombing armament of the Tu-160 bomber is regarded as a weapon of the “second stage” (the bombing load is probably not on the MKU-6-5U, but on the MKU6-1), designed to destroy targets that survived after the first missile strike of the bomber. It is also located in the weapons compartments and may include adjustable bombs of various types, including the most powerful domestic ammunition of this class of the KAB-1500 series with a caliber of 1500 kg.

        The aircraft can also be equipped with freely falling bombs of various calibers (including nuclear ones), one-time bomb cartridges, naval mines and other weapons

        Quote: Corporal
        And how many Tu 160 can take AVBPM (dad of all bombs)?

        Initially, the use of two X-160 long-range missiles (one in each of the two cargo bays) was supposed to be the main missile weapon of the Tu-45:
        X-45 Lightning (its length was 10,8 m, height in the configuration with folded wings - 1,92 m, starting weight reached 4500 kg.

        Aviation vacuum bomb of increased power = 7100kg. "just like that" will not fit.

        Vicki writes: There is no evidence that any of the Tu-160 bombers in service with the Russian Air Force was modified to use this munition.

        HOWEVER (see from 0:16 :)

        To believe your eyes

        ?
        1. opus
          opus 19 November 2015 23: 38 New
          +2
          Conclusion?
          ==> one at least




          I liked the "absolutely ecological bomb"
          -------------------------------------
          Tu-160K "Krechet" (project, 1983-1984) - the project of equipping the Tu-160 two air-launched ballistic missiles "Krechet" (KB "Yuzhnoye") weighing 24.4 tons each.
          Combat radius of the complex - 10000 km

          --------------------

          Carrier Tu-160SK
          So under the fuselage is provided for the placement of a solid-propellant launch vehicle "Burlak"(weighing 20 tons was planned to be suspended under the fuselage of the aircraft)intended for launching into near-Earth orbit with an altitude of 500-700 km of light artificial Earth satellites weighing up to 500 kg.


          PM "let's bomb"

  6. Evgeniy667b
    Evgeniy667b 19 November 2015 06: 47 New
    11
    Good aircraft, only their number leaves much to be desired. Focused mainly on Engels, which is also a negative point. And the aerodrome network has been significantly lost. So, it would be right to resume production not only of the Tu-160, but also of the Tu-95MSM ... Since new developments can continue not for years, decades. And yet, for the Air Force it’s special, it’s criminal to squander created weapons, especially in the current conditions. How much was delivered to the Azerbaijanis, and they even refuse to let planes fly over their territory. A trifle, of course, but very significant.
    1. ancient
      ancient 19 November 2015 10: 52 New
      +4
      Quote: Evgeniy667b
      How much was delivered to the Azerbaijanis, and they even refuse to let planes fly over their territory. A trifle, of course, but very significant.


      If they hadn’t let me go ... then this would not have happened soldier

      1. gjv
        gjv 19 November 2015 11: 27 New
        +2
        Quote: ancient
        If they hadn’t let me go ... then this would not have happened

        Mozdok - Grozny - Khasavyurt - Makhachkala - Caspian Sea, in the middle of the Makhachkala - Kuryk line) - Caspian Sea, in the middle of the Turkan - Turkmenbashi line) - Rasht (Iran) - Seckez (Iran) - Kaya-Bashi (Iraq) - Racca or Deir ez-zor (work on targets in Syria) - the return route through Iraq, Iran, the Caspian - Mozdok. A total of about 4500 km.
        1. ancient
          ancient 19 November 2015 11: 45 New
          +8
          Quote: gjv
          Mozdok - Grozny - Khasavyurt - Makhachkala


          There is one, but the Grozny-Khasavyurt section ... too much ..... Direct Mozdok-Makhachkala soldier , then Makhachkala-traverse Baku, then directly to Rasht, from there Mossul and here is a straight line to Rakku-shoulder in 1950 km soldier
          And then .. if on "tricky gas and tricky wing" wink and with a "small" remainder ..... it's back to back! soldier
          And you .... 4500 counted recourse .. although for fellow ..will come! good
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          2. gjv
            gjv 19 November 2015 13: 14 New
            +2
            Quote: ancient
            And you .... 4500 counted

            It was not I who counted, but "tracked" the route (adjusted bully ) under the figure voiced by Anatoly Zhikharev. Through Mosul a little shorter, but I doubt that there are still possible bearded air defense systems.
            1. ancient
              ancient 19 November 2015 16: 00 New
              +3
              Quote: gjv
              It was not I who counted, but "traced" the route (adjusted) to the figure voiced by Anatoly Zhikharev


              Well, since Zhikharev himself reported that 4 km and 500 hours and 5 minutes were in the air belay then .. so be it .. fellow

              Quote: gjv
              Through Mosul a little shorter, but I doubt that there are still possible bearded air defense systems.


              The maximum range mode is achieved (one of the ways) is flight over the "ceilings" .. so as the flight weight decreases, the altitude gradually "gains" and .. no MANPADS are not terrible! wink +! drinks
    2. goose
      goose 19 November 2015 11: 25 New
      +4
      Perhaps the first thing to do is to begin to restore airfields and towns in a small series?
      1. Revmirovich
        Revmirovich 21 November 2015 03: 22 New
        0
        Can we build and rebuild?
        Jackets? Yes, they will steal more than build
    3. kuz363
      kuz363 19 November 2015 20: 22 New
      +2
      Aircraft, of course, wonderful. Only strategists are based on 2 bases in Engels and the Far East (it seems the Ukrainian is called. And what will they do in a real war? After all, enemy attacks by simply cruise missiles on the base runway will turn the strategists into useless toys on the ground. And if they are this time will be in the air - they can certainly land at other airports, maybe civilian ones, but they will end up without maintenance and ammunition.
      1. ancient
        ancient 19 November 2015 22: 18 New
        +1
        Quote: kuz363
        And what will they do in a real war?


        During the threatened period, DISTRIBUTION is made to operational airfields, so when there is a .. "whistle" .. aviation will be in the right places and reliably covered ... such as in 1941 or as Taburetkin wanted (one base for all and "parade build " wassat ..that one KR with KMGU and..no aviation) will not be soldier
  7. Egen
    Egen 19 November 2015 06: 57 New
    +2
    I mean why the last? on the contrary, it’s a warm-up, because I didn’t hear from igil that there could be any means of counteraction.
    1. Belousov
      Belousov 19 November 2015 09: 17 New
      +1
      Yes, against Swans and Bears in general, no one has any special means of counteraction soldier
    2. Belousov
      Belousov 19 November 2015 09: 17 New
      -2
      Yes, against Swans and Bears in general, no one has any special means of counteraction soldier
      1. corporal
        corporal 19 November 2015 09: 54 New
        -7
        Quote: Belousov
        no one has any special countermeasures

        Before scribbling, can it be better to first learn the materiel?
        I tell you: air defense systems of medium and higher ranges.
        1. ancient
          ancient 19 November 2015 10: 37 New
          10
          Quote: Corporal
          I tell you: air defense systems of medium and higher ranges.


          As you say there .... "I suggest" .. well, so I will .. "I SHOULD".

          On the STRATEGs of the AKP X-555 with a launch range for the target of 3 km and X-500 with a launch range of 101 km wassat

          So what kind of air defense systems do you have there ??? the quote "SAM of medium and higher ranges." wassat

          So how do you say there - quote "Before scribbling, maybe it's better to first learn the hardware?" wassat

          It's probably you look in the mirror and .. to yourself .. "scribble" lol
          1. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 19 November 2015 11: 16 New
            +4
            Quote: ancient
            So how do you say there - the quote "Before scribbling, maybe it's better to first learn the hardware?"

            Hi Bocha! soldier drinks
            Keep fighting
            "we hold handles, not" holders "
            1. ancient
              ancient 19 November 2015 11: 20 New
              +5
              Quote: Stroporez
              Keep fighting
              "we hold handles, not" holders "


              Hi boca! drinks

              And what remains, otherwise we will "get" to the point that AKP "will be used as ... a free falling" cast iron " lol
              1. Sling cutter
                Sling cutter 19 November 2015 11: 28 New
                +6
                Quote: ancient
                otherwise we will "get" to the point that AKP "will be used as a free falling" cast iron "

                There are a lot of "strategists" here, how do you have patience with the SSI just enough to read this insanity? what
                I have a question for you, yesterday the video "walked" about a high-power vacuum bomb.
                Could you please explain a thread on this issue? And about the reality of its use in the conditions of the war in Syria.
                1. ancient
                  ancient 19 November 2015 11: 50 New
                  11
                  Quote: Stroporez
                  Could you please explain a thread on this issue? And about the reality of its use in the conditions of the war in Syria


                  So recently there was an article and it was discussed this .. "vacuum bomb" (daddy of all bombs) wink
                  There are no such goals for her, because. its power is almost .... "we bang, we must bang and .. more than once ... the whole world is in dust ... but .. later" wassat

                  1. Sling cutter
                    Sling cutter 19 November 2015 12: 01 New
                    +7
                    Quote: ancient
                    So recently there was an article and it was discussed this .. "vacuum bomb" (daddy of all bombs)

                    I’ll look in the archive, apparently, at the time of the discussion, I decided to tie up with activity on the site ...., but the Comrades convinced that they would be bored without me laughing
                    Quote: ancient
                    There are no such goals for her, because. its power is almost .... "we bang, we must bang and .. more than once ... the whole world is in dust ... but .. later"

                    But seriously, over the lives of 224 people, of which 25 are children (by the way, we initially said that it was a terrorist attack, and I wrote that in Egypt you can carry whatever you like),
                    you can bang !!! To the dust !!!
                    And the costs are less and the "educational" goals will be achieved!
                    1. ancient
                      ancient 19 November 2015 12: 20 New
                      +7
                      Quote: Stroporez
                      But seriously, over the lives of 224 people, of which 25 are children (by the way, we initially said that it was a terrorist attack, and I wrote that in Egypt you can carry whatever you like),


                      Yes, and I wrote about this to the Banshee author in one of his articles that ... he just never was at airports on the African continent.

                      Well, for .. "the world is in dust" .. I would "fall asleep" everything in an open area with my any RBK-500-SHOAB-0.5 .... cool thing and .. very "useful" soldier

                      1. Bongo
                        Bongo 19 November 2015 13: 56 New
                        +5
                        Sergei. Hello! Long time no intersect.
                        Quote: ancient
                        Well, for .. "the world is in dust" .. I would "fall asleep" everything in an open area with my any RBK-500-SHOAB-0.5 .... cool thing and .. very "useful

                        There are really not many equal to this "cool thing" in terms of effectiveness against undisguised manpower.
                    2. FID
                      FID 19 November 2015 12: 26 New
                      +7
                      Quote: Stroporez
                      But seriously, over the lives of 224 people, of which 25 are children (by the way, we initially said that it was a terrorist attack, and I wrote that in Egypt you can carry what you like)

                      I am a little, not ... I, at work, had to work a lot with objective control, citizens have such a system SARD (automatic pressure control), sensors are everywhere ... They should have recorded an increase in pressure, and the parametric onboard "black the box "in the tail of the" watermelons "did not suffer, it was deciphered first of all ... I have doubts, but the decision has been made. Here is an example, I cite the parameters of the Il-96 for clarity, there is no SARD, there is a longitudinal channel operation, but it allows you to understand what "objective control" is ...
            2. FID
              FID 19 November 2015 11: 21 New
              +6
              Quote: Stroporez
              "hold handles, not" holders

              God forbid .... Hold on tightly to the "steering wheel" ("horns") ...
              1. gjv
                gjv 19 November 2015 11: 33 New
                +2
                Quote: SSI
                Tighter for the steering wheel

                Hold on tight to the "chauffeur", bro ... laughing
              2. Sling cutter
                Sling cutter 19 November 2015 11: 44 New
                +7
                Quote: SSI
                God forbid .... Hold on tightly to the "steering wheel" ("horns") ...

                Understandably, strategists are your initial specialization.

                And the Ancient has front-line bombers, hence the "handles", it is necessary to please the "Old Man" wink
                1. FID
                  FID 19 November 2015 12: 08 New
                  10
                  Quote: Stroporez
                  Understandably, strategists are your initial specialization.

                  And Tu-22M2 / M3 ... Soltsy, Shaikovka, Mongohto, Olenya, Usolye-Sibirsky, Oktyabrsky, Merry, Priluki ... you will write down your hand where you worked ...
                  1. Sling cutter
                    Sling cutter 19 November 2015 12: 27 New
                    +8
                    Quote: SSI
                    And Tu-22M2 / M3 ... Soltsy, Shaikovka, Mongohto, Olenya, Usolye-Sibirsky, Oktyabrsky, Merry, Priluki ... you will write down your hand where you worked ...

                    There are only a few specialists left like you ...
                    And what is most sad, the prospects are very foggy, and screaming in the media full pants ...
                    All this resembles the dance of the Papuans around the wise leader ...
                    And yesterday we laughed at the topic, we’ll have a couple of oligarchs to supply jet fuel for the database in Syria, but in fact it’s not funny ....
                    1. FID
                      FID 19 November 2015 12: 37 New
                      +6
                      Quote: Stroporez
                      but not really funny ....

                      It’s not funny at all, sometimes even ... well, it’s not scary, but nevertheless it takes the hell!
                2. tupolev-95
                  tupolev-95 19 November 2015 21: 30 New
                  +5
                  Oh - my lieutenant years - bears at the Ukrainian air base
          2. corporal
            corporal 19 November 2015 12: 13 New
            +1
            Quote: ancient
            As you say there .... "I suggest" .. well, so I will .. "I SHOULD".

            On the STRATEGs of the AKP X-555 with a launch range for the target of 3 km and X-500 with a launch range of 101 km

            What a horror. Then what the hell did they get to distant lands to launch? He took off in Engels, launched a rocket, and immediately sat down.
            Why enter the zone where there may be:
            Quote: ancient
            So what kind of air defense systems do you have there ??? quote "SAM of medium and higher ranges

            That's it!
            1. FID
              FID 19 November 2015 12: 39 New
              11
              Quote: Corporal
              What a horror. Then what the hell did they get to distant lands to launch? He took off in Engels, launched a rocket,

              Why take off ??? And Yars, Poplar and other, other what? Pilots should fly and practice, especially since the air defense system is not there ...
  8. Taygerus
    Taygerus 19 November 2015 06: 59 New
    +2
    good luck to our flyers and most importantly so that without loss, give them GOD
  9. andrei.yandex
    andrei.yandex 19 November 2015 07: 00 New
    11
    Shooting terrorists with cruise missiles of strategic aviation is understandable, which is not reasonable, but a demonstration of their capabilities to the west, due to the unfolding global conflict, is the right idea.
  10. aszzz888
    aszzz888 19 November 2015 07: 01 New
    +3
    The time of "inaction" is over.


    With an initiative, strategists !!!
    Yes, and with what result!
    Good luck, and an equal number of take-offs and landings to you! drinks
  11. McLuha-MacLeod
    McLuha-MacLeod 19 November 2015 07: 06 New
    0
    Why didn’t they mention TU-22?
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 19 November 2015 07: 13 New
      12
      Quote: McLooka-MacLeod
      Why didn’t they mention TU-22?

      Because for them this is not the first warrior.
  12. tracer
    tracer 19 November 2015 08: 04 New
    +3
    It seems to me that the main task of strategists as a weapon is to be a weapon of intimidation of a potential enemy. And the fact that this enemy could not even "blink" for so many decades is the most striking and most important characteristic of this weapon. All the pilots of the Aerospace Forces taking part in the operation to destroy the thugs in Syria are honored and respected
    . I believe that it is necessary to revive the tradition of educating young people on the examples of today's pilots. As real and not sham heroes worthy of imitation.
    1. orthodox71
      orthodox71 19 November 2015 11: 07 New
      +2
      So then, yes, but we are peaceful people, and role models among noble tractor drivers, miners, steelworkers, and people of intellectual labor — designers, technologists, will not interfere. Again, the combat and labor feat must be evaluated by the state as morally and financially. And in the peaceful sphere, even if we have heroes, no one knows about them, the heroes are mainly oligarchs and bankers, the current generation is equal to them and this is sad, because capitalism. And the state should exalt the heroes, ours only has the army and the rest is in private hands and with all our desire, the owner will only give out an award to his employee that he considers necessary, or nothing at all, he will say: you were late for 5 minutes yesterday, awards 0
  13. solovald
    solovald 19 November 2015 08: 22 New
    +6
    Quote: Evgeniy667b
    How much was delivered to the Azerbaijanis, and they even refuse to let planes fly over their territory.

    These little fellows of Americans and Turks are afraid. Or a fig "they show us in a pocket" is not enough for more.
    1. ayaz
      ayaz 19 November 2015 09: 58 New
      -29
      Firstly, they didn’t put it, but sold it at the market price for cash, which is important for you.
      As for the "little people" - look at the mirror, a pig!
      1. orthodox71
        orthodox71 19 November 2015 11: 32 New
        +7
        Firstly - not on, but in the mirror, secondly - they called you little people, maybe small little ones in thoughts, and you call a pig. With such comments go to you in black uniforms, this is my forecast
  14. Kalmar
    Kalmar 19 November 2015 08: 35 New
    -11
    Everything torments me with the question: what kind of goals are there such that to destroy them either "Caliber" or long-range aviation should be involved? Important stationary objects are covered with such things, but the militants are partisans in their essence, they don't build warehouses / headquarters, they don't build fortified areas.
    1. common man
      common man 19 November 2015 09: 02 New
      +8
      If partisans control half of the country's territory, then these are no longer partisans. They have everything, and headquarters and warehouses and fortified areas. And its own economy.
    2. donavi49
      donavi49 19 November 2015 09: 18 New
      +5
      The IS and other women have the territory of Belgium, with army bases that have been turned into warehouses and training facilities, with factories that have been mobilized for jihad (in the same bakery that flew in - they baked bread with aluminum powder), parks of equipment of the same IG far beyond 1000 units, there are only armored vehicles (T-72, T-62, T-55, BMP, BTR-80UP, M-113, M-1117) more than 100 units.

      All these are typical goals. And also the cities where the militants are accommodated and which are the legitimate target for bombing.
      1. Kalmar
        Kalmar 19 November 2015 12: 03 New
        -2
        Quote: man in the street
        If partisans control half of the country's territory, then these are no longer partisans. They have everything, and headquarters and warehouses and fortified areas

        If by headquarters we mean simply a barn in which barmales from time to time sit and discuss plans for the future, then yes, everything is there. But in my opinion, the headquarters is a whole engineering structure, with all kinds of special communications lines, situational centers and other attributes. Do they really bother with all this?

        Quote: donavi49
        IG and other women have the territory of Belgium, with army bases that have been turned into warehouses and training facilities, with factories that have been mobilized for jihad (at the same bakery that flew in - baked bread with aluminum powder), equipment parks

        The training base is all kinds of obstacle courses, racetracks and so on. This is some kind of extremely dubious target for X-101 missiles. With technology parks the same story: unless rockets carry nuclear warheads, darkness will take them to a whole park.

        And also the cities where the militants are accommodated and which are the legitimate target for bombing.

        Similarly: the whole city is equal to the earth? Here you can’t do without a peaceful atom. Do we make separate houses? Well, it remains to convince the Babaev to sit in these houses until the intelligence reports on them, while they will prepare pictures of the terrain, until they form flight missions for the missiles, while the missile carriers fly up and carry out launches, etc.

        In general, it would be much more interesting to read this news if the Defense Ministry more specifically described what was attacked and with what result. And then after all, some abstract goals that appear in the summaries are a very extensible concept.
        1. tracer
          tracer 19 November 2015 16: 01 New
          0
          Eki, you're curious. Maybe you want to read the coordinates of future goals? If you don’t see something, this does not mean that it is not.
          1. Kalmar
            Kalmar 19 November 2015 16: 32 New
            +5
            Quote: tracer
            Eki, you're curious. Maybe you want to read the coordinates of future goals? If you don’t see something, this does not mean that it is not.

            Future is not necessary, I love surprises :)

            It's just that according to the reports of the Moscow Region, ISIL has destroyed more than 800 objects. Those. the dense barmalei managed to rivet such a wild number of headquarters / warehouses / fortified areas that even after the loss of several hundred of them there still remain goals worthy of the attention of strategic aviation. The productivity of these guys is amazing, however :)
  15. Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 19 November 2015 08: 42 New
    +2
    Photos, videos are great! I also really liked the article
  16. 1234567890
    1234567890 19 November 2015 08: 44 New
    +2
    To be expected. Well done! It remains to launch from the submarines of the Kyrgyz Republic.
    1. FID
      FID 19 November 2015 09: 04 New
      +5
      Quote: 1234567890
      It remains to launch from the submarines of the Kyrgyz Republic

      So they launched it, from "Rostov on Don", if my memory serves me. from the Mediterranean Sea, during the inter-fleet passage ...
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 19 November 2015 09: 06 New
        +3
        Quote: SSI
        So they launched it, from "Rostov on Don", if my memory serves me. from the Mediterranean Sea, during the inter-fleet passage ...

        There was no official confirmation ... but ... wink
      2. ancient
        ancient 19 November 2015 09: 43 New
        +6
        Quote: SSI
        So they launched it, from "Rostov on Don", if my memory serves me. from the Mediterranean Sea, during the inter-fleet passage ..


        Seryozha, this is another "duck" from our "air specials from the media" wink
        1. FID
          FID 19 November 2015 09: 45 New
          +1
          Quote: ancient
          Seryozha, this is another "duck" from our "air specials from the media"

          Greetings, friend of you !!!
          1. ancient
            ancient 19 November 2015 10: 03 New
            +2
            Quote: SSI
            Greetings, friend of you !!!


            Hi friend! fellow drinks

            Here is what the navy writes about this:

            1. The boat left Kronstadt on 04.11 at about 17:00. The design surface speed of the diesel-electric submarine pr. 636 (by analogy with 877) is 10 knots, the average speed at the crossing, by definition, should be lower (at "Novorossiysk" on the Polar-Ceuta route - 7,5 knots). At the time of the message to RBC (17.11, 14:52 - link 4) "Rostov-on-Don" had only to approach the Strait of Gibraltar, which is 2370 miles from Kronstadt.

            2. If the average speed of the B-237 at the crossing was still higher than 7,5 knots, and by the time of the supposed salvo it was already in the Mediterranean Sea (in its westernmost part, but not in the eastern part), the distance to the capital of the Islamic State was about 3 km, which is 800 km more than the capabilities of 2M300. One can, of course, assume that not all the features of the new Russian weapons have become public knowledge, and the Kalibra KRBD does indeed have an ultra-long-range high-altitude trajectory, but this is hard to believe.

            3. If the 3M14 still had such incredible (150%) range reserves, and the Rostov-on-Don salvo really achieved its goal, it is difficult to imagine that the press service of the Russian Defense Ministry, covering in such detail the military operation in Syria would have ignored this outstanding success of Russian weapons.

            Where is the B-237 now, one can only guess. As far as the author knows, she was not seen in the English Channel or Ceuta. It is quite possible that during the passage of both straits, measures were taken to ensure secrecy (movement underwater, under the RDP, in the dark). Everything should clear up in about a week (when "Rostov-on-Don". Reaches the eastern Mediterranean) .–. including the issue of the first combat use of the Caliber-PL.

            1. gjv
              gjv 19 November 2015 12: 34 New
              +1
              Quote: ancient
              Design surface speed of diesel-electric submarines, pr. 636 (similar to 877) - 10 knots

              According to the project 636.3, other data were reported that differed from the project 877 in a larger direction, according to the surface speed - 17 knots, by the speed of the underwater course - 20 knots.
              Quote: ancient
              If the average speed of the B-237 at the crossing was still above 7,5 knots, and by the time of the alleged salvo it was already in the Mediterranean Sea (in the westernmost part, but not in the eastern one), the distance to the capital of the Islamic state was about 3 800 km

              I assume an average speed of 12 knots. Then the boat would be near Sardinia. To Racca about 2800 km. hi
              “The missile meets all the requirements of the Ministry of Defense of Russia in terms of range, accuracy, striking effect and invulnerability when flying to a target. Due to its unique tactical and technical characteristics, no one in the world has such a missile, ”a source of Interfax noted.
              According to him, the Caliber cruise missile has multivariate combat equipment. “The missile will carry a monoblock warhead. If the warhead is in normal equipment, then the maximum range of the missile will be more than 2,5 thousand km. If the warhead is a nuclear kiloton class, then the flight range will decrease slightly, ”the source said.
              “Caliber” is a high-precision weapon, its probable deviation from the target when firing thousands of kilometers does not exceed two to three meters, ”he emphasized.
              Who the hell is this source of Interfax? request Where did he go?? bully
  17. Sars
    Sars 19 November 2015 08: 46 New
    +3
    There is talk of resuming the manufacture of the Tu-160. For modern Russian industry, the task is difficult. After all, we have about a hundred Tu-22Ms in storage. It is not more relevant to upgrade and put them into service. Yes, they have a smaller radius than the Tu-160, but refuellers calmly solve this problem.
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS 19 November 2015 08: 56 New
      +4
      Quote: SarS
      After all, we have about a hundred Tu-22Ms in storage. It is not more relevant to upgrade and put them into service.

      They are being upgraded to the TU-22M3M version hi
    2. FID
      FID 19 November 2015 09: 11 New
      +6
      As for the hundreds ... you are too much, but there is some storage. The whole trouble is that after a long stop, not all cars will rise into the air, they are controlled by ABSU, and the plant that produced ABSU is closed ...
    3. ancient
      ancient 19 November 2015 09: 46 New
      +6
      Quote: SarS
      Yes, they have less radius than the Tu-160


      It would be more concise to put it .. "SIGNIFICANTLY LESS", but ... to compare Dalnik and Strateg .. in general .. not correct ... plus do not forget about the various SUV and ASP for them soldier

      Well, the "hundred" .. it's you, dear ... got excited, unfortunately recourse
    4. ancient
      ancient 19 November 2015 09: 46 New
      +1
      Quote: SarS
      Yes, they have less radius than the Tu-160


      It would be more concise to put it .. "SIGNIFICANTLY LESS", but ... to compare Dalnik and Strateg .. in general .. not correct ... plus do not forget about the various SUV and ASP for them soldier

      Well, the "hundred" .. it's you, dear ... got excited, unfortunately recourse
    5. RPG_
      RPG_ 19 November 2015 10: 57 New
      +3
      No, these are aircraft of completely different classes. The Tu-22M is great for Papuan bombing, and the Tu-160 can iron an equal opponent and evade the pursuit of 2,4 mach. Now these are just exercises in a combat situation, which is also an important and important thing.
      1. FID
        FID 19 November 2015 11: 04 New
        +6
        Quote: RPG_
        No, these are aircraft of completely different classes. The Tu-22M is great for Papuans bombing, and the Tu-160 can iron an equal opponent and evade the pursuit of 2,4 mach

        Well, well ... And the fact that the Tu-22M flew from Zhukovsky to Gaviyev was the bombing of the Papuans? After that, the Americans forced the rods to be removed from the planes ... "Iron out" - how's that? Bombs? And 2.4M is, forgive nonsense ... No need to take numbers from ... hell knows what. The reality is somewhat different.
    6. alexej123
      alexej123 19 November 2015 12: 14 New
      +1
      I am not an expert in aviation, but, in my opinion, under an agreement with the Americans with the TU-22M they removed the air refueling system. Or not?
      1. FID
        FID 19 November 2015 12: 41 New
        +3
        Quote: alexej123
        I am not an expert in aviation, but, in my opinion, under an agreement with the Americans with the TU-22M they removed the air refueling system. Or not?

        I wrote it above and gave an example of why this was done ...
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  18. ism_ek
    ism_ek 19 November 2015 09: 02 New
    +6
    Quote: Author
    This operation is interesting for its tactical and strategic consequences, and is also important from the point of view of history. On November 17, the first real combat use of the strategic bombers Tu-95MS and Tu-160 took place. Despite a fairly long career, these aircraft have not yet participated in armed conflicts and did not destroy real targets.

    Cruise missiles are no longer exotic. Electronics fell in price, became reliable, and engine production was moved from Ukraine to Russia. Even two plants mastered their production. A missile launched from an airplane is cheaper, because she does not need an acceleration device. Land-based missiles with such a range are prohibited by international treaties
    So the turn of the "oldies" has come.

    Of course, launches are more promotional in nature. It is necessary to show the countries of the Persian Gulf that no "American umbrella" will save them from a massive missile launch.
  19. guzik007
    guzik007 19 November 2015 09: 05 New
    21
    The niece’s husband works at KAPO. He tells very interesting things. The first TU-22 flew in for modernization 3-4 years ago. There is NO technical documentation! nobody knew how to disassemble. (The technical documentation for these aircraft was destroyed, apparently at EBN-ut from the supply of amers. They took it apart for six months, working out the processing chain at the same time. Now it takes several times less time. According to TU-160, they fly under their own power with conservation bases, but in what form? We say, sometimes we don’t understand how it flew, it’s not without reason that the pilots are given 1 lyam for arms (according to their words) for each flight. (suddenly a military secret), I do not want to let a relative down. I can only say that it’s not 160 or even ... Regarding the possible restoration of the conveyor for their secondary assembly, it has only mats here. The entire workshop has been looted. A unique chamber for welding a titanium base in an oxygen-free environment was pulled into scrap metal back in the 16s. Personnel capable of doing this work long ago in retirement or in private sharash. It seems the same story.
    1. FID
      FID 19 November 2015 09: 26 New
      23
      Here, I fully confirm! When I write that it is practically impossible to restore production - only cons and supposedly - an all-enforcer, etc. But usually this is the reaction of either couch strategists, or idiots, or people who have never worked in production ... All the specialists have long been retired, people who understand (I mean close to me - ABSU-200) can be counted on the fingers of ONE hand. .. And then, who of the cheers-patriots is ready to go to work at the aircraft factory ???
      1. goose
        goose 19 November 2015 11: 56 New
        +3
        Quote: SSI
        Here, I fully confirm! When I write that it is practically impossible to restore production - only cons and supposedly - an all-enforcer, etc. But usually this is the reaction of either couch strategists, or idiots, or people who have never worked in production ...

        Until the tradition of educating one's own managerial personnel in factories is restored, there will be no sense. Zaletnye from the direction of the director are not capable of anything, it is the local cadres who have gone through several stages of their careers. Then mega-pros will not be fired from the factories and use them for their intended purpose, and not guard parking lots.
    2. ancient
      ancient 19 November 2015 09: 50 New
      12
      Quote: guzik007
      . According to TU-160. They fly under their own power from the conservation base. But in what form? We, says, sometimes do not understand how he flew, not without reason pilots are given 1 lyam for arms (for their words) for each stage


      Write everything correctly, only that "paragraph" .. not in one place wassat

      1.What is this "for the Tu-160 conservation base" ??? belay
      2. About 1 lyam for distillation .. this is generally fool (the reproach is not for you, of course, but this .. "word of mouth is purely factory-made .... by -type .. one cleaning lady in the smoking room heard ... well, then ... it started wassat "
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      2. guzik007
        guzik007 19 November 2015 11: 04 New
        +2
        About 1 lam for distillation
        -------------------------
        For what I bought, for that I sell :)
        Serious guy, he himself talked with the pilots. And about b. conservation, so they are in Engels and are orphans in the corner (it seems to me). And for tu-22, the country has a lot of them in different nooks and crannies.
        1. ancient
          ancient 19 November 2015 11: 25 New
          +2
          Quote: guzik007
          For what I bought, for that I sell :)
          Serious guy - he talked with the pilots


          During my life, I overtook them and not only them so much that ... however, no "lyam" and the like .. even .. "did not smell."
          Comers have there yes ... for distillation to the plant and then .. if I invite a crew from the plant or from another company, then the payment .... "piecework" and then .. about any "lyamah" we are not talking at all wassat

          Quote: guzik007
          And for tu22-so the country has a lot of different nooks and crannies


          "Back streets", as you say .. only 2 for all the Air Force, or rather the VKS soldier
  20. Belousov
    Belousov 19 November 2015 09: 23 New
    +4
    Yesterday there was news that the first modernized Tu-95MS was handed over at the Aviakor plant in Samara, 2 more should arrive at the plant in the near future. So the process has begun, it pleases. drinks
    But new planes are still needed. Yes, it is difficult to restore the technological chain, documentation, personnel skills, but it is NECESSARY. you can try to return the old staff, although from private offices, albeit for an increased salary. Pensioners, even if only for training young people for a year, will be of no use. And there "hands will remember" soldier
    1. ancient
      ancient 19 November 2015 09: 53 New
      10
      Quote: Belousov
      Yesterday there was news that the first modernized Tu-95MS was delivered at the Aviakor plant in Samara


      It was, +! drinks

      Yesterday, tail number 20 "left" ... "Dubna"

      1. Stena
        Stena 19 November 2015 14: 40 New
        +1
        Ltd! Dubna! hometown! Now there is a plane!
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        2. gjv
          gjv 19 November 2015 19: 03 New
          +1
          Quote: Stena
          Dubna! hometown! Now there is a plane!

          Congratulations! However, he is not only there now. He has been Dubna since July 7, 2008. hi
          According to Leonid Melnik, chief engineer of Russian Long-Range Aviation, the assignment of the aircraft to the Dubna science city is a tribute to the city and its people, who are doing a lot to increase the country's defense capability. In particular, it was in the design bureaus located in Dubna that rockets for strategic long-range aviation were created.
          The mayor V.E. took part in the ceremony. Prokh and General Director of JSC "GosMKB" Rainbow "named. AND I. Bereznyak V.N. Cowards.
  21. kav669
    kav669 19 November 2015 09: 33 New
    +1
    Well done! They shook arms. Let them know!
  22. kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 19 November 2015 09: 39 New
    +2
    How many times have Russia been buried, and she is still alive, and where are the "funeral teams"? The same can be said about our military-industrial complex, the "minke whales" and their hangers-on, from among our compatriots, seemed to have done everything to destroy it, but the military-industrial complex is still alive and will make our "not quite partners" wonder more than once! And in general, as the saying goes: "What is great for a Russian is death for a German!" (I mean the whole West) And not from such "troubles" ours emerged victorious!
  23. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 19 November 2015 09: 57 New
    +5
    As they say: welcome to the club!
    It turns out to use "strategists" in the war "against the Papuans"
    quite okay. The Americans understood this a long time ago.
    Compared to the price of ground operations, it’s cheap.
    1. marinier
      marinier 19 November 2015 11: 43 New
      0
      These Papuans control the territory of 2 states.
      And they dare to fear Europe. Kotoraia from the USA has been hammering for 2 years,
      not gouging in any way, as you expressed the Papuans
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 19 November 2015 12: 35 New
        +5
        I will explain:
        "Papuans" (conventionally) call countries or military-political organizations
        who do not have aviation and advanced air defense.
        Moreover, the "Papuans" can be militarily strong on earth,
        powerful and rich.
  24. Captain45
    Captain45 19 November 2015 10: 17 New
    +3
    I can only imagine about the condition of the crews. For so many years they have been preparing, flying, meeting with a likely enemy in the air, gritting their teeth, and finally, FIRE! (Or whatever they say in aviation when using weapons, not special, I don’t know). Apparently a starfall is coming on epaulettes and orders on the chest. Well done pilots, deservedly. good soldier
  25. sevtrash
    sevtrash 19 November 2015 10: 23 New
    +2
    Use cruise missiles to attack ISIS in the future it makes no sense. It seems like the first blow cost 10 billion rubles, too expensive. They showed that there is something that works, and then it can be used as carriers of free-falling bombs. But - not all planes are capable of this, if only because the long-suffering SVP24 is accepted for service, but the Moscow Region does not want to implement / sabotage - it seems like the installation does not cost a lot of money, but what should officials cut? Namely, Hephaestus makes it possible for free-falling bombs to achieve the effect of KAB. As far as I read the planned equipment of SVP24 on Tu22M3, this has not yet taken place because of this.
    It seems that they plan to attract Kuznetsov, but there only about 10 Mig29KUB are adapted for ground attacks and then within 1-2 weeks.
    1. 0255
      0255 19 November 2015 11: 19 New
      +5
      Quote: sevtrash
      Use cruise missiles to attack ISIS in the future it makes no sense. It seems like the first blow cost 10 billion rubles, too expensive.

      Or is it better to spend money on cruise missiles than to destroy soldiers in a ground operation?
    2. ancient
      ancient 19 November 2015 12: 01 New
      +6
      Quote: sevtrash
      Namely, Hephaestus makes it possible for free-falling bombs to achieve the effect of KAB. As far as I read the planned equipment of SVP24 on Tu22M3, this has not yet taken place because of this.


      Well, this is if only with a large caliber and from a low height ... but with medium ones ... this is already "far-fetched", because. "cast iron .. after separation from the aircraft ... DO NOT CONTROL and has aerodynamics .." brick "or" suitcase without a handle " wassat (this is a joke drinks ) and many things are influenced by their factors when the cast iron is "found" on the ballistic trajectory during its fall wink
      KAB then .. you can "correct", but .. "chugunok" .... alas request

      Well, to compensate for the "non-equipment" of all Tu-22M3s under the SVP-24-22 ... is compensated for by the implementation of combat use in dense combat formations (close formation) and at the signal of the "support" (i.e., an aircraft equipped with SVP-24-22) ... soldier

      1. FID
        FID 19 November 2015 12: 11 New
        +3
        Quote: ancient
        Well, to compensate for the "not retrofitting" of all Tu-22M3 under the SVP-24-22 ..

        Oh, old man, I'm afraid that "Hephaestus" hangs for a long time for "Fire" ...
  26. Wild_grey_wolf
    Wild_grey_wolf 19 November 2015 10: 32 New
    +2
    The main thing we are called aggressive (especially the Baltic states and part of eastern Europe), and our long-range aviation in the first in combat conditions was practiced. . .
  27. Mera joota
    Mera joota 19 November 2015 10: 34 New
    -8
    Four rockets fell near Aleppo, namely they fell without hitting anything, frames of rocket debris in the open field are already on the network, there is a video how the rockets are still burning on the motive, judging by the photo and video, this is the X-101, the retractable turbojet engine and triangular are clearly visible section of the body. There is also a video of a rocket exploding in the air, similar to self-destruction.
    So it is incomprehensible in terms of effectiveness.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 19 November 2015 10: 54 New
      +1
      In the video where they dragged the rocket body, there were debris from rocket X 555, not X 101.
      1. Mera joota
        Mera joota 19 November 2015 11: 12 New
        0
        Quote: Vadim237
        In the video where they dragged the rocket body, there were debris from rocket X 555, not X 101.

        The X-55/555 family has a cylindrical body, the photo and video section is triangular.
        1. FID
          FID 19 November 2015 11: 24 New
          +3
          X-55 ... If you look at the end ... Or from the back ...
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          3. Mera joota
            Mera joota 19 November 2015 13: 51 New
            0
            Quote: SSI
            X-55 ... If you look at the end ... Or from the back ...

            These are conformal tanks, the body is still a cylinder.
            1. FID
              FID 19 November 2015 14: 05 New
              +3
              Quote: Mera Joota
              These are conformal tanks, the body is still a cylinder

              And in the photo and video show the rocket or its body separately ???
    2. barbiturate
      barbiturate 19 November 2015 11: 56 New
      10
      So you argue, there are launching frames where you hit or missed - it’s not known, but frankly unproven nonsense about exactly four races that didn’t hit anywhere - who told you this? Some debris, some kind of explosion of something in the air - of course, this Russian KR exploded, flew into Syria because it is more convenient to self-destruct there. Such obscene statements are simply surprising, I saw the wreckage - of course, these Russian missiles just flew here to fall, etc. laughing
      1. FID
        FID 19 November 2015 12: 12 New
        +4
        Quote: barbiturate
        dirty statements just surprise

        I support ...
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      3. Mera joota
        Mera joota 19 November 2015 13: 56 New
        -6
        Quote: barbiturate
        where you hit or missed is not known, but frankly unproven nonsense about exactly four races that didn’t get anywhere - who told you this?

        So if you are not interested, then of course you will not see anything. I repeat the photos and videos on the network are already full, it’s not difficult to determine the type of rocket from them ...
        If the debris of a rocket lay in the field, then clearly the goal was not someone else’s bed of carrots ...
        Quote: barbiturate
        I saw the wreckage - of course, these are Russian missiles just flew here to fall, etc.

        Well, of course, everyone in the world uses tactical cruise missiles marked in Cyrillic ...
        1. FID
          FID 19 November 2015 15: 16 New
          +2
          Quote: Mera Joota
          Well, of course, everyone in the world uses tactical cruise missiles marked in Cyrillic ..

          Strategic bomber and tactical cruise missile ... Can you explain?
        2. barbiturate
          barbiturate 19 November 2015 15: 18 New
          0
          Quote: Mera Joota
          So if you are not interested, then of course you will not see anything. I repeat the photos and videos on the network are already full, it’s not difficult to determine the type of rocket from them ...
          If the debris of a rocket lay in the field, then clearly the goal was not someone else’s bed of carrots ...


          but who managed to put so much into the network, and even with topographic location and immediately identified the debris))) The Internet floor is so rotten, you don’t have to believe everything.

          Quote: Mera Joota
          Well, of course, everyone in the world uses tactical cruise missiles marked in Cyrillic ...


          Well, will you share where you saw it? Cheto, I did not find anything in the Cyrillic alphabet, as well as confirmation that it was the fragments of WING missiles, there all kinds of aviation work and the desert is littered with missiles there ...
          1. barbiturate
            barbiturate 19 November 2015 15: 42 New
            +2
            Here I’ve specifically looked again and didn’t find anything concrete or concrete, here’s a video with the flight of our missiles full, video with launches, and where is the video of self-destruction (apparently the only thing that works in Russian missiles is self-liquidator and engine, once flew and self-destructed over the target) and crashes, where the video of the alleged rocket fragments is crisp and clear with the Cyrillic alphabet printed by the factory, etc. But I didn’t find a big analysis of fakes about missiles: http: //gosh100.livejournal.com/153859.html? Page = 1

            I fully admit that not all missiles could hit their targets and due to technical problems some of them could fall (and the Americans always had it), but where is the evidence of this? Simple and clear proofs, but they do not exist and cannot yet be. Arguments like "they always lie to us" and "our missiles are not very good at how they can get somewhere" are very fake and not very arguments. There is no need to become like American officials who disguise the absence of evidence of anything with an excellent phrase - "all the evidence is on social networks." laughing
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    4. gjv
      gjv 19 November 2015 19: 18 New
      +4
      Quote: Mera Joota
      Retractable turbojet engine and triangular section of the body are clearly visible.

      Quote: Mera Joota
      The X-55/555 family has a cylindrical body, the photo and video section is triangular.

      Quote: Mera Joota
      judging by the photo and video, this is the X-101

      Quote: SSI
      And in the photo and video show the rocket or its body separately ???

      The triangular cross-section of the X-101 is almost the entire length of the case.



      The one that was dragged is triangular in front, and round from the middle. it X-65.


  28. Private27
    Private27 19 November 2015 10: 35 New
    +1
    Quote: NEXUS
    Quote: oldav
    So will it continue to produce or not? 16 pcs for a country like Russia is about nothing.

    As one smart man told me, and having familiarized myself with this topic, I agree with him, it will be more likely a revival of the T-54C hi

    About * please explain what is it about?
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    2. gjv
      gjv 19 November 2015 13: 05 New
      +9
      Quote: Private27
      About * please explain what is it about?

      Known to all T-54S Bulgar (2 tons of force on the hook)
      bully


      But, if serious, Andrey NEXUS Of course, I had in mind the dreams of serial production of the Sotka design bureau of the Sukhoi Design Bureau in the version with the swept wing T-4C. Only on his keyboard, the five for the four is hooked, so it turned out to be a tractor instead of an airplane.
      Andrey, replace Claudia. bully
      1. ancient
        ancient 19 November 2015 18: 34 New
        +6
        Quote: gjv
        Known to all T-54S Bulgar (2 tons of force on the hook)


        "Killed" .. completely, +! drinks 15 minutes .. ". patsstal" good

        Well, for ..positive - the result: 000/000 good

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        2. gjv
          gjv 19 November 2015 19: 22 New
          +1
          Quote: ancient
          Well, for ... positive

          Girls are stupid and unpredictable. But beautiful !!! bully
        3. NEXUS
          NEXUS 19 November 2015 19: 37 New
          +3
          Quote: ancient
          Quote: gjv
          Known to all T-54S Bulgar (2 tons of force on the hook)

          "Killed" .. completely, +! 15 minutes .. ". patsstal"

          Well, for ..positive - the result: 000/000

          Sasha ... that's what you crawl there ... let others crawl, damn it laughing
      2. Jager
        Jager 19 November 2015 19: 25 New
        +2
        Be sure to revive the production of the T-54S, with a modification of vertical take-off and landing soldier
        I even came up with the slogan.
        "T-54S. We will arrive and bury our enemies" laughing
        A tractor flying on supersonic is a more terrible picture than a "peaceful" atom and all NATO combined laughing
      3. NEXUS
        NEXUS 19 November 2015 19: 49 New
        +4
        ]
        Quote: gjv
        However, seriously, Andrei NEKSUS certainly had in mind his dreams of mass production of Sotka by the Sukhoi Design Bureau in the version with a swept wing T-4C. Only on his keyboard, the five for the four is hooked, so it turned out to be a tractor instead of an airplane.
        Andrey, replace Claudia.

        Not really ... laughingSomething like this ... and it doesn't really look like a hundred, right? hi

        Or are we now making such tractors? laughing
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        2. gjv
          gjv 20 November 2015 12: 04 New
          0
          Quote: NEXUS
          and it doesn't look like a hundred, right

          True, not very similar. However, Paralay, uh-it's some kind of parallel story, the T-54 is IMHO someone's fantasy invention, although it looks like the T-4MS project (product "200"), which was really being developed at the P.O. Sukhoi in two versions.


          Similarly, the never-produced projects of the M-30, M-54, M-56, M-57, M-60, KB V.M. Myasishchev and A-55, A-57 R.L. Bartini, DSB LK A.S. Mockaleva and seaplane LL-600 G.M. Berieva. The concepts of hypersonic aerospace aircraft Ajax (GLA, Neva) V.L. Freistadt and GP-60 V.M. Myasishchev. hi
          1. gjv
            gjv 20 November 2015 12: 24 New
            0
            Quote: NEXUS
            and it doesn't look like a hundred, right

            Also similar is the now closed project of the passenger Supersonic Business Jet of the same Sukhoi Design Bureau.
            And yet, IMHO it would be nice to revive the not similar, but interesting and more real projects of the Sukhoi Design Bureau:

            S-54 - a project for a family of light combat aircraft


            KR-860 “Wings of Russia” - a project of a double-deck wide-body aircraft


            Su-80 (S-80) - aircraft for local and regional airlines
  29. Achtaba1970
    Achtaba1970 19 November 2015 11: 00 New
    +3
    Quote: guzik007
    The niece’s husband works at KAPO. He tells very interesting things. The first TU-22 flew in for modernization 3-4 years ago. There is NO technical documentation! nobody knew how to disassemble. (The technical documentation for these aircraft was destroyed, apparently at EBN-ut from the supply of amers. They took it apart for six months, working out the processing chain at the same time. Now it takes several times less time. According to TU-160, they fly under their own power with conservation bases, but in what form? We say, sometimes we don’t understand how it flew, it’s not without reason that the pilots are given 1 lyam for arms (according to their words) for each flight. (suddenly a military secret), I do not want to let a relative down. I can only say that it’s not 160 or even ... Regarding the possible restoration of the conveyor for their secondary assembly, it has only mats here. The entire workshop has been looted. A unique chamber for welding a titanium base in an oxygen-free environment was pulled into scrap metal back in the 16s. Personnel capable of doing this work long ago in retirement or in private sharash. It seems the same story.

    I wonder who gives them a million in their arms. All cash allowances are transferred to a bank salary card. I think the pilots just joked.
    1. guzik007
      guzik007 19 November 2015 11: 07 New
      +2
      I wonder who gives them a million in their arms
      -----------------------------------
      On hand, on the card, the main thing is given, and this is good.
  30. Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 19 November 2015 11: 22 New
    +1
    It’s a pity that planes with nuclear power plants were not created at one time — so that the adversaries were afraid to shoot down.

    Just in the subject "War in Europe"- there is a bomber with conventional weapons, but try, shoot down - you will get it right away"vast area of ​​radioactive contamination, which excludes military, economic and other activities for a long time".

    Since the nuclear reactor for vehicles must be compact, it is entirely appropriate to use polonium-210 as a legal source of neutrons in it.

    Then an attempt to attack such an absolutely legal plane and not forbidden by any agreements will lead to the complete destruction of the country which, having summed up nothing, decided to organize such an attack. A dozen grams of polonium-210 is enough. am
    1. Phantom Revolution
      Phantom Revolution 19 November 2015 20: 24 New
      +1
      Quote: Gormengast
      Then an attempt to attack such an absolutely legal plane and not forbidden by any agreements will lead to the complete destruction of the country which, having summed up nothing, decided to organize such an attack. A dozen grams of polonium-210 is enough.

      Well, if the car fails due to an emergency, then they will pay 100 years for the damage caused to another country. If there is a terrorist attack and this plane explodes in our territory?
    2. Phantom Revolution
      Phantom Revolution 19 November 2015 20: 24 New
      0
      Quote: Gormengast
      Then an attempt to attack such an absolutely legal plane and not forbidden by any agreements will lead to the complete destruction of the country which, having summed up nothing, decided to organize such an attack. A dozen grams of polonium-210 is enough.

      Well, if the car fails due to an emergency, then they will pay 100 years for the damage caused to another country. If there is a terrorist attack and this plane explodes in our territory?
  31. Han Solo
    Han Solo 19 November 2015 11: 34 New
    +3
    after completed tasks, you can draw a brush on the case and draw icons))
  32. Dimon19661
    Dimon19661 19 November 2015 11: 46 New
    +1

    Quote: Achtuba1970
    Quote: guzik007
    The niece’s husband works at KAPO. He tells very interesting things. The first TU-22 flew in for modernization 3-4 years ago. There is NO technical documentation! nobody knew how to disassemble. (The technical documentation for these aircraft was destroyed, apparently at EBN-ut from the supply of amers. They took it apart for six months, working out the processing chain at the same time. Now it takes several times less time. According to TU-160, they fly under their own power with conservation bases, but in what form? We say, sometimes we don’t understand how it flew, it’s not without reason that the pilots are given 1 lyam for arms (according to their words) for each flight. (suddenly a military secret), I do not want to let a relative down. I can only say that it’s not 160 or even ... Regarding the possible restoration of the conveyor for their secondary assembly, it has only mats here. The entire workshop has been looted. A unique chamber for welding a titanium base in an oxygen-free environment was pulled into scrap metal back in the 16s. Personnel capable of doing this work long ago in retirement or in private sharash. It seems the same story.

    I wonder who gives them a million in their arms. All cash allowances are transferred to a bank salary card. I think the pilots just joked.

    What nonsense, of course there are a lot of flaws, but when they make a reference to don’t understand who and everyone sacredly believes, it’s doubly nonsense. I heard something similar about Arsenyevsky Aircraft Plant, they pulled everything apart, sold the titanium, there are no specialists ... Only now it is released by KA-52 and pretty successful. Now it's not 90 years. Regarding the million, it's ....
  33. marinier
    marinier 19 November 2015 11: 47 New
    0
    Good time of the day!
    The action is useful and tedious. It is the development of pilot skills in large-scale
    lami. The practice of bombing, demonstrations of force. And besides advertising
    go V.P.K.
    Pozdravliayu Rossia !!!
  34. barbiturate
    barbiturate 19 November 2015 12: 03 New
    +1
    Quote: Achtuba1970
    I wonder who gives them a million in their arms. All cash allowances are transferred to a bank salary card. I think the pilots just joked.


    Most likely the pilots were joking, but ... anything can happen in life, everything is now on a commercial basis and in the army too. It could well have already taken the money for delivery and modernization and sawed it off (as always), and when they really looked at the plane and the "mother dear" state. It began something like "men help me out, I'll make gold, I'll give it to you." There are plenty of such situations in life, why shouldn't they be in the army laughing
  35. HaKim
    HaKim 19 November 2015 12: 22 New
    +1
    Maybe the world after this at least a little sober.
  36. Kir1984
    Kir1984 19 November 2015 12: 47 New
    0
    Beauty ... The story is going on))
  37. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 19 November 2015 12: 49 New
    +6
    Not so often, the native country gives rise to legitimate pride ... But how nice it is when such an occasion arises!
    “Nobody but us!” Say the paratroopers.
    "After us - nobody!" - with good reason, the pilots of Tu-95 and Tu-160 can answer them ...
  38. Kaban45
    Kaban45 19 November 2015 12: 53 New
    +1
    Amazing cars! Well done that they decided to resume mass production of the TU-160.
  39. oldav
    oldav 19 November 2015 12: 55 New
    0
    Is it true that with the advent of the Su-34 Tu-22MZ, in principle, it is not particularly needed?
    1. Dimon19661
      Dimon19661 19 November 2015 16: 18 New
      +1
      These are different types of aircraft.
  40. Dimon19661
    Dimon19661 19 November 2015 13: 19 New
    0
    Quote: barbiturate
    Quote: Achtuba1970
    I wonder who gives them a million in their arms. All cash allowances are transferred to a bank salary card. I think the pilots just joked.


    Most likely the pilots were joking, but ... anything can happen in life, everything is now on a commercial basis and in the army too. It could well have already taken the money for delivery and modernization and sawed it off (as always), and when they really looked at the plane and the "mother dear" state. It began something like "men help me out, I'll make gold, I'll give it to you." There are plenty of such situations in life, why shouldn't they be in the army laughing

    You do not confuse commercial structures and the army. Take an interest in what the monetary allowance of the military serviceman is composed of and what their system of surcharges is.
    1. barbiturate
      barbiturate 19 November 2015 14: 04 New
      +1
      Commercial structures and the army are closely interconnected, among the merchants feeding on the army there are a lot of former military men with connections in this very army and the sons of the so-called "military leaders") So you do not idealize, but
      Quote: Dimon19661
      what is the military allowance made up of
      I watched myself, with extremely close range, as well as contract firms registered for children. I also saw the district, and I fully admit that around the bold orders the heap was spinning and feeding here, and they could well dump the dough for the transfer smile ready-to-fly aircraft, something like this
      1. ancient
        ancient 19 November 2015 18: 38 New
        +1
        Quote: barbiturate
        , and they may well dump the dough for the haul of a plane not quite ready for flight, something like this


        I repeat ... the military is ...... IMPOSSIBLE !!! soldier

        Citizens ... please ... take off even with one engine off wink
  41. Tomich2
    Tomich2 19 November 2015 14: 17 New
    -1
    And what about the Tu-22 did not write in such detail, one of which was lost in Georgia? And what is unique about it? What for the first time or what?
  42. X Y Z
    X Y Z 19 November 2015 14: 55 New
    +3
    It touches me, as the author quite elegantly sets out the dramatic and not quite appealing events that occurred with the Tu-160. Well, you can’t smooth history and mow corners like that. How and by what methods Tupolev Design Bureau won the competition for a long-range bomber is described many times and with details. And how they were disposed of, it would also be possible to cite with details characterizing the mores of that era. I understand that this is a short description, but such nuances are very important for the story.
  43. Dimon19661
    Dimon19661 19 November 2015 16: 17 New
    +1
    Quote: barbiturate
    Commercial structures and the army are closely interconnected, among the merchants feeding on the army there are a lot of former military men with connections in this very army and the sons of the so-called "military leaders") So you do not idealize, but
    Quote: Dimon19661
    what is the military allowance made up of
    I watched myself, with extremely close range, as well as contract firms registered for children. I also saw the district, and I fully admit that around the bold orders the heap was spinning and feeding here, and they could well dump the dough for the transfer smile ready-to-fly aircraft, something like this

    Have you ever served, don’t bring nonsense, and don’t mislead the people. What does military pilots and orders have to do with it.
    1. barbiturate
      barbiturate 19 November 2015 17: 02 New
      0
      I had a chance to serve and I am not convincing anyone here, this is my personal opinion based on my personal experience of serving and communicating with military people, as well as the understanding that the army is a cast of society, and commodity-money relations and earning are now flourishing in society in any way possible (which I personally observed in the army as well) Therefore, to a person’s story
      Quote: guzik007
      According to TU-160. They fly under their own power from the conservation base. But in what form? We, says, sometimes do not understand how he flew, not without reason pilots are given 1 lyam for arms (for their words) for each stage. In occasion of how much the Tu-160 is in service, I will not speak (suddenly a military secret), I do not want to let a relative down.
      I react like this - what the hell isn’t joking, everything happens in life and what I personally saw in life does not contradict this story very much. smile
      If you do not agree, then I will not convince you of anything
  44. ICT
    ICT 19 November 2015 16: 44 New
    0
    then Tu-95 bombers had to wait that day for 59 years


    perhaps there was at least a singing Chechen and goals in free Ichkeria
  45. Vittt
    Vittt 19 November 2015 17: 05 New
    0
    Quote: ancient
    Quote: Corporal
    I tell you: air defense systems of medium and higher ranges.


    As you say there .... "I suggest" .. well, so I will .. "I SHOULD".

    On the STRATEGs of the AKP X-555 with a launch range for the target of 3 km and X-500 with a launch range of 101 km wassat

    So what kind of air defense systems do you have there ??? the quote "SAM of medium and higher ranges." wassat

    So how do you say there - quote "Before scribbling, maybe it's better to first learn the hardware?" wassat

    It's probably you look in the mirror and .. to yourself .. "scribble" lol

    Don't be nervous, the person probably meant the possibility of hitting bombers with Buk, Patriot, S-300 complexes, not to mention the many older ones.
    We all know perfectly well that IS does not have these complexes, and if they suddenly appear, then Putin explained everything clearly to everyone that if someone jokes with Russian planes, he will receive a "tomato" and it will be very painful for him to live aimlessly. years.
    And further. Actually, official information about the X-55 is 2500-3000 km, the X-101 is up to 5000 km. If you provide other data, then - either you are a person close to the emperor, or ... well, I hope you understand.
    1. ancient
      ancient 19 November 2015 18: 44 New
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      Quote: Vittt
      Do not be nervous


      Absolutely calm, just wrote a comment cleanly .. in "his style" wink

      Now about "probably meant" ... the aspect was discussed specifically for STRATEGIC AVIATION, the main ADVANTAGE of which lies precisely in the POSSIBILITY of performing KB, i.e. air strike by AKR from zones that are ABSOLUTELY NOT AVAILABLE FOR any enemy air defense systems ... nor "type .... nor older ones" wassat
      Require me OFFICIAL information on products under the stamp of OB? belay
      It's not bad for me in sunny Rostov-on-Don ... than in the "land of the eternal sun and ... green tomatoes"
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      2. gjv
        gjv 19 November 2015 19: 33 New
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        Quote: ancient
        Require me OFFICIAL information on products under the stamp of OB?

        Yes, we only had access to OV with the personal presence of two senior bosses, one of whom was authorized to send "to green tomatoes" ... yes
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  46. Uncle Joe
    Uncle Joe 19 November 2015 17: 29 New
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    The penultimate trump cards of Russian capitalism went into action in the sky of Syria.

    It's funny and bitter to watch how capitalism relies solely on the achievements of the Scoop, which it hates. For the product of the "ineffective" Stalinist military-industrial complex and sharashek. Moreover, the USSR never used its "strategists" for combat purposes. Only in training. He was respected anyway, which means they were afraid.

    It’s great to know Putinism if such trump cards are used.

    http://burckina-faso.livejournal.com/1280083.html

  47. RoTTor
    RoTTor 19 November 2015 19: 04 New
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    Why for the first time? YES was also used in Afghanistan. It seems that Dudaev also received the order for this.
    Who is in the know, write in more detail.
    The remaining DA aircraft in Ukraine were brutally destroyed by guillotines and presses specially brought from the United States, naturally under the supervision of the Americans, so that they could never use anything for anything.
    I remember when Ivanov was the Minister of Defense
    there was an attempt to agree on the exchange of repair kits, blocks, etc. on the part of the gas debt. Two defense ministers - both philologists with first degrees and KGB officers for further biography - Ivanov and Marchuk, did not agree.
    And it is good that Ukraine destroyed its part of the DA, if Tu-160 and Tu-95 were in the hands of the current junta ... Everything that is being done is for the better.
    1. ancient
      ancient 19 November 2015 22: 35 New
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      Quote: RoTTor
      YES was also used in Afghanistan.


      And in some places else, but ... about this years so through ... in short how bully "allow" soldier
  48. ICT
    ICT 19 November 2015 19: 37 New
    +1
    Quote: RoTTor
    Dudaev for this and received the order.


    it’s on TU-22, and we are talking about TU-95 (they stood in the mold in 95 and seemed to fly, but with what and where the question is) and TU-160
    1. ancient
      ancient 19 November 2015 22: 33 New
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      Quote: TIT
      , and we are talking about tu95 (in Moldova at 95 they stood and it seemed they were flying, but with what and where the question is)


      In the 95 year, only the FBA and the ShA were based in Mozdok soldier All Tu-95MS were relocated back in 1994 to Engels (far from sin). This, by the way. Was their second relocation ... the first in 1992 during the Ossetian-Ingush conflict soldier
      Well, in 1998 it was already completely, with ends in Seryshevo ... where they "work" to this day. soldier
      1. ICT
        ICT 20 November 2015 00: 44 New
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        Quote: ancient
        In the 95 year, only the FBA and the ShA were based in Mozdok



        there a couple stood somewhere in mid-February
        1. ICT
          ICT 20 November 2015 03: 26 New
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          0.20 and 2.08 so far
          1. ancient
            ancient 20 November 2015 10: 44 New
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            Quote: TIT
            0.20 and 2.08 so far


            And what do you want, so that during the relocation, the entire "TECH infrastructure" would be relocated ... together with the "machines" that are on the "regulations"? wink

            Then all the monuments must be "enrolled" in your lists ... they are the same .... "stand" soldier
            1. ICT
              ICT 20 November 2015 15: 06 New
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              Quote: ancient
              Then all the monuments must be "enrolled" in your lists ... they are the same .... "stand"

              Quote: ancient
              In the 95 year, only the FBA and the ShA were based in Mozdok. All Tu-95MS were relocated back in the 1994 year.


              I just said that they were there in the midst of a mess and the words of comrades. that the period from January 10 (and I saw them myself in mid-February) they took off and landed back. about the stuffing they didn’t know what. because they hadn’t been there before they hung in the air for days
  49. tracer
    tracer 20 November 2015 00: 31 New
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    I apologize for being off topic. There is simply no such article yet. I'm talking about a "fair truck riot". Look at the photo. Jeeps with green banners and Dagestan is on strike in front of everyone. Now "the strikers are thinking of going to Moscow." Doesn't it look like anything? I think we urgently need to do something about this. This should not be allowed. To the enemies of Russia and all the sanctions were aimed at bringing the disaffected to the streets under any pretext. And there the technologies have already been worked out clearly. In the country of all freedoms America, all participants who blocked federal highways would already be sitting
  50. Wise Kaa
    Wise Kaa 20 November 2015 04: 24 New
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    I have a question that has bothered me since the constant military exercises under Shoigu began, and now the wars in Syria ... I noticed that there is a large expenditure of ammunition of various types, for me it is not entirely justified, a large expenditure, ammunition, like x-55, x-101 missiles, calibers, various ballistic missiles is very expensive at the same time. But the question is, is this ammunition replenished? or is consumption coming from stocks? Why the question arose, because this or that information about the collapse of the industrial production of various ammunition constantly arrives! If this is so, is the security of the country and its population endangered?
    1. Signore Tomato
      Signore Tomato 20 November 2015 13: 21 New
      +1
      All ammunition has a useful life - so why not dispose of the old in this way? And the country benefits in every way.

      And test new weapons in conditions "close to combat"?

      PS: All these "wise" often resemble "wise minnows" Saltykov-Shchedrin.