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Militants published a photo in which allegedly an explosive device that destroyed the airliner over Sinai

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Militants of the so-called “Islamic State” published a photograph on the Internet, which, they claim, depicts the very explosive device that led to the tragedy with the airliner following the flight from Sharm al-Sheikh to St. Petersburg. If you believe this information, the explosive was placed in a jar from under the carbonated beverage.


Militants published a photo in which allegedly an explosive device that destroyed the airliner over Sinai


Information Agency Reuters distributes a statement by militants of the IG that initially they planned to carry out a terrorist attack aboard a plane of one of the western airlines, but then they allegedly changed their mind “in connection with the beginning of the bombing of the Russian aviation territory of Syria. "

Not all experts are inclined to believe that the photo is exactly the explosive device (or its copy) that worked on board the Kogalymavia airliner. After statements by the Russian authorities that Russia would get terrorists anywhere in the world, as well as after the publication of information by the Federal Security Service about a record amount of remuneration ($ 50 million) for information about the perpetrators and customers of the terrorist attack on Sinai, the militants and their foreign patrons They will try to do everything to put the work of the investigation and the special services of the Russian Federation on the wrong track.
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  1. Irokez
    Irokez 18 November 2015 19: 52 New
    21
    What’s there to say, you can disguise anything and anything. Everything can be. The main thing is not to do, but to carry it. And who benefits from it.
    1. SRC P-15
      SRC P-15 18 November 2015 19: 56 New
      +7
      Militants published a photo in which allegedly an explosive device that destroyed the airliner over Sinai

      And the switch on the photo, why? Was there a suicide bomber on board?
      1. AUL
        AUL 18 November 2015 20: 03 New
        +5
        I think they will. Our experts estimated the power of the WU in kilograms of TNT, and I believe them. A jar will be small, even if plastid was used (which is unlikely)
        1. Hello
          Hello 18 November 2015 20: 06 New
          +7
          Quote: AUL
          I think they will. Our experts estimated the power of the WU in kilograms of TNT, and I believe them. A jar will be small, even if plastid was used (which is unlikely)

          They said up to a kilogram request
          1. Baikonur
            Baikonur 18 November 2015 20: 15 New
            +3
            Quote: Hello
            Quote: AUL
            I think they will. Our experts estimated the power of the WU in kilograms of TNT, and I believe them. A jar will be small, even if plastid was used (which is unlikely)

            They said up to a kilogram request

            Quote: СРЦ П-15
            And the switch on the photo, why? Was there a suicide bomber on board?

            The answer in the last line of the last sentence of the article:
            After statements by the Russian authorities that Russia will get terrorists anywhere in the world, and also after the publication of information by the Federal Security Service about a record amount of remuneration ($ 50 million) for information about the perpetrators and customers of the attack on Sinai, the militants and their foreign patrons They will try to do everything to start up the work of the investigation and special services of the Russian Federation on a false trail.
            The point is squeezing something!
            As our course leader said: Their eggs hovered over an abyss!
          2. yushch
            yushch 18 November 2015 23: 02 New
            +2
            Quote: Hello
            Quote: AUL
            I think they will. Our experts estimated the power of the WU in kilograms of TNT, and I believe them. A jar will be small, even if plastid was used (which is unlikely)

            They said up to a kilogram request


            This is plastid, look carefully at the bottom of the can, or synthex, and they are more powerful than TNT every two or three. That's what turns up to a kilogram of TNT.
            1. maylevka
              maylevka 19 November 2015 02: 35 New
              +3
              Пластит, с4, rdx, semtex - это просто смесь тротила с гексогеном с добавлением "пластилина". Он не намного сильнее самого тротила. И в любом случае не бывает взрывчатки, которая в 3 раза сильнее тротила.
        2. Amakc
          Amakc 18 November 2015 20: 15 New
          +7
          in f-1 grenade of TNT 80, I think it is enough to destroy any aircraft at an altitude of 9000 meters ....
          1. Comrade Bender
            Comrade Bender 18 November 2015 20: 53 New
            +4
            Sorry, but in f-1 60 gram of TNT.
        3. Amakc
          Amakc 18 November 2015 20: 20 New
          12
          More interesting - as far as I remember - carbonated drinks, deodorants, perfumes - which are under pressure can NOT be carried into the cabin. This is cut off even when inspecting luggage. Conclusion: the jar got past control, which means the airport staff was involved in the terrorist attack .. And rightly so, they ordered a trip to Egypt .... They really know the price of negligence ... in the absence of a gold mine - tourists.
          1. Dryuya2
            Dryuya2 18 November 2015 21: 26 New
            +6
            Quote: AMakc
            More interesting - as far as I remember - carbonated drinks, deodorants, perfumes - which are under pressure can NOT be carried into the cabin. This is cut off even when inspecting luggage

            on the radio I heard a version that was supposedly under the seat - the cabin cleaner could leave.
            1. renics
              renics 19 November 2015 02: 20 New
              0
              Now the Reuters reports that the video at the airport recorded the transfer of the suitcase, to the airport employees, to the loader, out of control of the contents.
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 19 November 2015 09: 54 New
                +1
                The suitcase is intact, and the fuselage of the plane was torn apart - a fairy tale.
                1. renics
                  renics 19 November 2015 16: 52 New
                  0
                  You're blind, you can't imagine a suitcase. Then look at how the whole looks in the photo.
                2. renics
                  renics 19 November 2015 16: 52 New
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                  You're blind, you can't imagine a whole suitcase. Then look at how the whole one looks in the photo.
          2. podpolkovnik
            podpolkovnik 19 November 2015 10: 51 New
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            Quote: AMakc
            More interesting - as I recall - carbonated drinks, deodorants, perfumes - under pressure should not be carried into the cabin. This is cut off during the inspection of baggage.

            On this fact I will clarify.
            In the salon can not be carried, it is.
            Cut off during inspection hand luggage.
            But you can take in the luggage.
            I myself handed over so much luggage.
        4. Tersky
          Tersky 18 November 2015 20: 27 New
          +4
          Quote: AUL
          I think they will. Our specialists estimated the power of WU in kilograms of TNT,

          Unforgettable about plastid, its kilogram is approximately equal to five kilograms of TNT equivalent. The basis of plastic explosives is hexogen (TNT equivalent ~ = 1,7), its content in plastid is from 70% and higher.
          If it is an American with 4 (i.e. = 1.34) - then its weight should be 750 hi !
          1. Asadullah
            Asadullah 18 November 2015 21: 00 New
            +7
            its kilogram is approximately equal to five kilograms of TNT equivalent.


            Well, right smile , вы же сами привели пропорцию. Кстати, бризантное действие в этом случае выражено не химическим составом, а "упаковкой" нитрогрупп. То есть в пластите, они "сложены" более плотно. А так, вы можете подвергнуть нитрации собственную х\б фуфайку, и с успехом её взорвать. Только просто фуфайка на вешалке изобразит хлопок с яркой вспышкой, а фуфайка плотно запрессованная в какую кастрюлю рванет конкретно.
            1. Tersky
              Tersky 18 November 2015 21: 39 New
              +5
              Quote: Asadullah
              Кстати, бризантное действие в этом случае выражено не химическим составом, а "упаковкой" нитрогрупп.

              You are mistaken, brisance also depends on composition explosive, as you said, its density, as well as the physical condition and degree of grinding. Hexogen brisance - estimated in 24 mm (breaks the lead cylinder), TNT - 16,5 mm
        5. starwars
          starwars 18 November 2015 20: 44 New
          +1
          Why not enough, 250 grams is enough to blow up an airplane.
        6. Good me
          Good me 18 November 2015 21: 31 New
          +9
          Quote: AUL
          I think they will. Our experts estimated the power of the WU in kilograms of TNT, and I believe them. A jar will be small, even if plastid was used (which is unlikely)

          I think it will be interesting.


          6 the most powerful explosives in the world.

          Since the invention of gunpowder, the world race for the most powerful explosives has not stopped. This is relevant today, despite the advent of nuclear weapons.

          1) RDX - an explosive medicine Back in 1899, the German chemist Hans Genning patented the RDX medicine, an analogue of the famous urotropin, to treat inflammation in the urinary tract. But soon the doctors lost interest in him due to collateral intoxication. Only thirty years later, it turned out that RDX proved to be a powerful explosive, more destructive than TNT. A kilogram of RDX explosive will produce the same damage as 1.25 kilogram of TNT. Pyrotechnic specialists mainly characterize explosives as being explosive and brisant. In the first case, they talk about the volume of gas released during the explosion. Like, the bigger it is, the more powerful is the explosiveness. Brisance, in turn, depends on the rate of gas production and shows how explosives can crush surrounding materials. 10 grams of RDX during the explosion emit 480 cubic centimeters of gas, while TNT - 285 cubic centimeters. In other words, the hexagen in 1.7 is more powerful than TNT in its explosive capacity and more dynamic in 1,26 times in brisance. However, the media most often uses a certain average indicator. For example, the atomic charge “Kid”, dropped on 6 on August 1945 on the Japanese city of Hiroshima, is estimated at 13-18 kilotons in TNT. Meanwhile, this does not characterize the power of the explosion, but speaks of how much TNT is needed to produce as much heat as with the indicated nuclear bombardment.

          2) Octogen - half a billion dollars for air In 1942, the American chemist Bachmann, while conducting experiments with RDX, accidentally discovered a new substance, octogen, and in the form of an impurity. He offered his find to the military, but they refused. Meanwhile, a few years later, after it was possible to stabilize the properties of this chemical compound, the Pentagon was still interested in octogen. True, in its pure form for military purposes, it was not widely used, most often in the injection mixture with TNT. This explosive is called "octol". It turned out to be 15% more powerful than RDX. As for its effectiveness, it is believed that one kilogram of HMX will produce the same amount of damage as four kilograms of TNT. However, in those years, the production of HMX was 10 times more expensive than the production of RDX, which hindered its production in the Soviet Union. Our generals calculated that it is better to produce six shells with RDX than one with octol. That is why the explosion of the ammunition depot in Vietnamese Qui Ngon in April 1969 of the year was so expensive for the Americans. Then a Pentagon spokesman said that because of the sabotage of partisans, the damage amounted to 123 million dollars, or about 0.5 billion dollars at current prices. In the 80-ies of the last century after the Soviet chemists, including E.Yu. Orlov, developed an effective and inexpensive technology for the synthesis of HMX, in large volumes he began to be produced with us.
          1. Good me
            Good me 18 November 2015 21: 42 New
            +2
            Quote: Good Me
            6 the most powerful explosives in the world.



            3) Astrolit is good, but it smells bad At the beginning of the 60 of the last century, the American company EXCOA presented a new explosive based on hydrazine, saying that it was 20 times more powerful than TNT. The Pentagon generals who arrived for testing were knocked down by the terrible smell of an abandoned public toilet. However, they were ready to tolerate him. However, a series of tests with aerial bombs fueled by astrolite A 1-5 showed that the explosives were only twice as powerful as TNT. After Pentagon officials rejected the bomb, EXCOA engineers proposed a new version of this explosive already under the ASTRA-PAK brand, and for digging trenches using the directional explosion method. In a commercial, a soldier watered the earth with a thin stream, and then detonated the liquid from the shelter. And the trench in human growth - was ready. On its own initiative, EXCOA released 1000 kits of such explosives and sent them to the Vietnamese front. In reality, it ended sadly and anecdotally. The resulting trenches exuded such a disgusting smell that American soldiers strove to leave them at all costs, regardless of orders and danger to life. Those who remained lost consciousness. Unused kits, the troops sent at their own expense back to the EXCOA office.

            4) An explosive that kills its own. Along with hexogen and octogen, the classics of explosives are considered to be difficult to pronounce tetranitropentaerythritol, which is often called ten. However, due to its high sensitivity, it was not widely used. The fact is that for military purposes, it’s important not so much explosives, which are more destructive than others, but those that do not explode from any touch, that is, with low sensitivity. Particularly meticulous are Americans. It was they who developed the NATO STANAG 4439 standard for explosive sensitivity, which can be used for military purposes. True, this happened after a series of very serious incidents, including: the explosion of a warehouse at the Bien-Ho air force base in Vietnam in Vietnam, which cost 33 technicians life; accident on board the aircraft carrier “Forrestal”, as a result of which 60 aircraft were damaged; detonation in the storage of aircraft missiles aboard the Oriskani aircraft carrier (1966 of the year), also with numerous casualties.

            1. Good me
              Good me 18 November 2015 21: 45 New
              +3
              Quote: Good I
              6 the most powerful explosives in the world


              5) Chinese destroyer In the 80 years of the last century, the substance tricyclic urea was synthesized. It is believed that the first to receive this explosive were the Chinese. Tests showed the enormous destructive power of urea - one kilogram of it replaced twenty-two kilograms of TNT. Experts agree with such conclusions, since the "Chinese destroyer" has the highest density of all known explosives, and at the same time has the maximum oxygen coefficient. That is, during the explosion, all material is completely burned. By the way, in TNT it is equal to 0.74. In reality, tricyclic urea is not suitable for military operations, primarily due to poor hydrolytic stability. The very next day, with standard storage, it turns into mucus. However, the Chinese managed to get another "urea" - dinitromourea, which, although worse in terms of explosiveness than the "destroyer", is also one of the most powerful explosives. Today, it is released by the Americans in their three pilot plants.

              6) The Pyromaniac's Dream - CL-20 Explosive CL-20 today is positioned as one of the most powerful. In particular, the media, including the Russian ones, claim that one kg of CL-20 causes destruction, which requires 20kg of TNT. It is interesting that the Pentagon allocated money for the development of the CL-20 only after a message appeared in the American press that such explosives had already been made in the USSR. In particular, one of the reports on this subject was called: “Perhaps this substance was developed by Russians at the Zelinsky Institute.” In reality, the Americans considered another explosive, first obtained in the USSR, namely diaminoazoxyfurazan, as a promising explosive. Along with high power, significantly superior to HMX, it has low sensitivity. The only thing that holds back its widespread use is the lack of industrial technology.

              http://russian7.ru/2014/06/6-samykh-moshhnykh-vzryvchatykh-veshhestv-v-mir/
              © Russian Seven russian7.ru
        7. maylevka
          maylevka 19 November 2015 02: 31 New
          +4
          There is such a transparent liquid explosive - EGDN (Ethylene glycol dinitrate), and so, not only is it very dense, ~ 1500 kg / m3, one and a half times heavier than water, and its TNT coefficient = 2, i.e. twice as powerful. For a bomb to have a power of 1 kg in TNT, 500 g of such a liquid is needed. Oddly enough, 500 g of such explosives takes exactly 0,33 liters, just like that can of schweppes. Maybe a coincidence of course, but theoretically real.
          V = m / p = 0,5 (kg) / 1,5 (l / kg) = 0,33 .. (l)

          Moreover, there are very few types of explosives with TNT coefficient = 2, even less in a liquid state, and we can say only EGDN can make bearded men from improvised means. And since the container was in the jar, it is logical to assume that the liquid would fit best, due to the full filling of the volume.

          PS. Who remembers the ban on liquids on airplanes during the Olympics? They were afraid precisely the transportation of EGDN among suicide bombers.
        8. vladimirZ
          vladimirZ 19 November 2015 05: 44 New
          +1
          A jar will be small, even if plastid was used (which is unlikely)

          A jar, not a jar, but the crew, a team of stewards, in preparation for the departure, at least she did an external examination of the cabin, checked everything under the seats.
          And it would not hurt a flight engineer to have a crew that should monitor the actions of ground services in preparing the aircraft for departure, and to prepare the aircraft for the next departure at intermediate airports where there are no our ground technical services.
          Saving, damn it, on human lives.
          1. Cook
            Cook 19 November 2015 15: 00 New
            +1
            Flight attendants, if they climb under the seats, will not have time in an hour what is allotted for pre-flight training, check the equipment of the passenger cabin, take luggage and board meals. Inspection of the cabin is superficial. The flight engineer on this type of aircraft is not provided, and even if it had been provided, it has different functions. Ground services are led by a supervisor or airline representative. You can’t put a controller behind each. All employees of the airport services, when applying for a job, must be checked by the relevant competent authorities.
            1. vladimirZ
              vladimirZ 19 November 2015 16: 04 New
              0
              Flight attendants, if they climb under the seats, will not have time in an hour what is allotted for pre-flight training, check

              Мало часа предполетной подготовки для бригады стюардов, пусть 2 часа её проводят в "чужом" иностранном порту.
              Нет бортинженера на этом типе самолета, пусть введут её для полетов в иностранные государства, где участие в техобслуживание принимают иностранцы, или введут, по договоренности с принимающим государством, российский инженерно-технический состав для обслуживания массово летающих туда российских самолетов, чем тупо запрещать полеты в "некоторые иностранные страны", как сделал заявление премьер Правительства РФ Д. Медведев.
              Everything is solved with a competent solution to the problem.
              А функции бортинженера, при необходимости, не только контроль предполетной подготовки, но и её проведение, тем более что в полете "на таких типах самолетов" ему делать нечего.
        9. erlikon
          erlikon 19 November 2015 06: 43 New
          0
          Quote: AUL
          I think they will. Our experts estimated the power of the WU in kilograms of TNT, and I believe them. A jar will be small, even if plastid was used (which is unlikely)

          So it’s in TNT equivalent. And if you put C-4 in such a jar, then the explosion in power will be approximately equivalent to 1 kg of TNT. And not the fact that there is more powerful VV. Yes, much more depends on where the explosion occurred. In the field, one destructive effect, in an isolated enclosed space another.
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      3. Amakc
        Amakc 18 November 2015 20: 13 New
        +6
        This is not a switch, but most likely a height sensor, an odometer, with on-off control. He skidded - collected - on - put - forgot. after dialing a programmable height limit - signal - explosion. And with a fotkat they could also the 2nd or 9th bank ready for operation. Already anyway ..... The fact of preparation is visible.
        1. Dryuya2
          Dryuya2 18 November 2015 21: 18 New
          +2
          Quote: AMakc
          2nd or 9th can

          and why the jar is old - somebody will say.
          Is there money for bombs, but no water?
          For example, I do not understand this? request
          1. Good me
            Good me 18 November 2015 22: 46 New
            +2
            Quote: Dryuya2
            and why the jar is old - somebody will say.


            I suppose that in doing so the terrorists show disregard for us. Like, with such rubbish, we will put you on your knees.
            The psychological move, in my opinion ...
      4. scorpiosys
        scorpiosys 18 November 2015 20: 35 New
        +5
        Behind the switch at the back, there are two LEDs, green and red, in addition, they are clearly soldered to the scarf, since it is clear that the back of the switch is pulled into a heat-shrink polymer tube. And the power source is not visible from the outside. Those. there is some kind of soldered circuitry, apparently with a small battery, it just might be a timer with the inclusion of a countdown by applying power from the switch.
      5. Asadullah
        Asadullah 18 November 2015 20: 50 New
        0
        Not a switch, but a switch, that is a contactor. Most likely, an altimeter is glued to it. The device is assembled, the contactor is cocked into a combat position, the altimeter gives a command to the relay of the contactor at a certain height. I doubt that three hundred grams of plasticine is enough to destroy such a board, it is necessary at least three such banks ....
        1. vair
          vair 18 November 2015 20: 59 New
          +1
          If they posted it, it means they left traces in the internet, and therefore there is a chance of calculating them. Or am I wrong?
        2. PQ-18
          PQ-18 18 November 2015 22: 12 New
          +2
          Well, WHAT type of altimeter did you see in this photo?
          judging by the LEDs, it is more likely that the circuit with an electronic timer
        3. opus
          opus 19 November 2015 12: 25 New
          +1
          Quote: Asadullah
          Most likely, an altimeter is glued to it. The device is assembled, the contactor is cocked into a combat position, the altimeter gives a command to the relay of the contactor at a certain height.

          mmmm.
          In the luggage compartment, pressure = cabin pressure and temperature are maintained in the 21 GRS.

          Modern Airbus A319, 320, 321 support in the luggage compartment about 20-26 degrees of heat.
          Boing 747, 767 and 777 mainly from 15 to 20 degrees of heat.


          If you are not in the know:
          1. The animal transported would die

          2.Alaska Airlines plane took off from Seattle airport with a loader accidentally remaining in the cargo compartment of the liner.


          only a timer (or a passenger’s radio transmitter), set probably by one of similar employees (photo of a Turkish loader - DOES NOT RELATE TO EGYPT, but everything is the same there)
          1. opus
            opus 19 November 2015 12: 29 New
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            Quote: Asadullah
            I doubt that three hundred grams of plasticine is enough


            According to the newspaper Kommersant, FSB experts found at the crash site part of the fuselage with a hole with a diameter of 1 m, at this hole curved outward edges which indicates that it appeared as a result of the explosion.

            Смотря где, на силовом шпангоуте ,хватило бы и 100гр. Если это пластит и "прилеплен " непосредственно на шпангоут



            in the area of ​​the pressurized compartments, excessive internal pressure acting from the inside of the fuselage when flying at altitude also joins the loads. Active participation in the process of perception of loads is taken by the working skin.



            sheets with a thickness of 0,09 mm, in fact, the skin of the aircraft, this is foil.
            The body of a passenger plane can be compared to an aluminum can of beer. Moreover, the relative structural strength of the cans will be several times better than the body of the aircraft.


          2. Falcon
            Falcon 19 November 2015 14: 33 New
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            Quote: opus
            In the luggage compartment, pressure = cabin pressure and temperature are maintained in the 21 GRS.


            But it is not equal to pressure on the earth. It changes in proportion to the decrease in pressure overboard, only with its delta. Theoretically - knowing this delta for A-321, you can calculate the real height - from the pressure of the cabin.



            It seems to us only on the Yak-42 that the delta was not constant.
            From some height the pressure was kept the same.

            I don’t know how on 321 ... But the plane is big - most likely the schedule is approximately similar to the Tu-154
            1. opus
              opus 19 November 2015 15: 17 New
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              Quote: Falcon
              It changes in proportion to the decrease in pressure overboard,

              SARD?
              air bleeding with a maximum speed of 0,18 mm Hg / s
              the value of the differential pressure (interior) is in the range of 0,57 - 0,63 kg / cm ^ 2
              1 atm = 1.033227453 × kgf / cm²

              When the plane takes off, near the ground, the pressure in the cabin is equal to the earth, the differential is zero. The following happens in the climb (on different planes in different ways)
              Вариант 1, давление аэропорта в салоне самолёта сохраняется постоянным до высоты 2700метров, после чего, постепенно "высота в кабине" начинает рости. На этой высоте перепад достигает значения 0,57кг/см². Теперь, чтобы он оставался постоянным, необходимо, чтобы давление в салоне опускалось вместе с атмосферным давлением. Т.О. при достижении "потолка", заданного эшелона, давление внутри гермокабины будет таким же, как на высоте 2,7км. Дальнейший подъём самолёта, может быть печальным для пассажиров, потому что высота в кабине будет свыше 3000метров, на такой высоте может начаться кислородное голодание.

              Вариант 2, На других самолётах "высота в кабине" начинает расти сразу после взлёта, и на высоте ~ 3000 метров, перепад составляет ~ 0,6кг/см². Подробно это видно из графиков, суть остаётся той же самой, как и в первом варианте.

              1. Pressure drop in the cabin with a rise in height (height in the cabin)
              2. Atmospheric pressure drop with height.
              3. The difference.
              4. Estimated, maximum differential.

              Before landing, the arrival airport dispatcher informs the crew of the atmospheric pressure of the arrival airport. The crew, in turn, puts this pressure on the command unit of the ARD system. If you don’t do this, then the SARD will leave inside the cabin the pressure of the departure airport. This means that you either will not open the front door, or vice versa, it will be knocked out by pressure when you open the door lock.

              IT is so hard to program! You need to know: departure / arrival points, date, time, level, pressure and T at the point of arrival / departure. The exact type of aircraft, etc.

              A pressure sensor PTE5000 at a pressure of 0 MPa will give 4 mA at the output, and at a pressure of 0,6 MPa it will give out 20 mA, since it is rigidly set to a range of 0 ... 0,6 MPa. The pressure sensor KLAY 8000-ES has an adjustable range of 0 -1 ... 4 bar, this means that at a pressure of 0 bar the sensor will give 4 mA in the same way, and 20 mA will give at any value from the range of 1 ... 4 barwhich is configured by the user using a special "SPAN" potentiometer.

              No, of course, in 2015, the smallest (1.4 × 1.0 × 0.6 mm) pressure sensor with excellent accuracy was presented at the Mobile World Congress ...


              Quote: Falcon
              I don’t know how on 321 ... But the plane is big - most likely the schedule is approximately similar to the Tu-154

              For the Tu-134, this is 0,57 kg / cm², for the Yak-42 - 0,6 kg / cm² for the IL-62 - 0,63 kg / cm².
              In fact, this parameter determines how strong the fuselage of the aircraft is.
      6. Gilev georgy
        Gilev georgy 18 November 2015 21: 44 New
        0
        I have no idea, especially considering that snot stretches from him. It’s easier to clip
      7. vladimir_krm
        vladimir_krm 18 November 2015 22: 12 New
        +1
        Банка, электродетонатор, и какая-то самоделка с выключателем и светодиодами. Под изолентой должна быть батарейка и электроника - то ли таймер, то ли датчик давления (что вряд ли). Светодиоды - больше для понтов, да и сама "бомба" скорее всего не та, просто "похвастались". Сейчас спецслужбы наверняка отслеживают, кто и откуда загрузил картинку.
      8. mark2
        mark2 18 November 2015 22: 24 New
        +3
        А мне вот что интересно. С каких это пор ИГИЛ стал следовать в форватере новостей? Рванули Париж, Олланд заявил, что это ИГИЛ, и ИГИ тут же взял все на себя. Наши вчера объявили, что это был теракт - и вот сегодня ИГИЛ "кается" что это они. и даже вариант бомбы предоставил. Изначально, когда все валили на ржавый самолет и кривруких техников и летчиков, ИГИЛ не рисовался. Нарисовались некие повстанцы на Синае. Но они утверждали что вообще его сбили.
        Something here, somehow everything is suspicious .. Who interfered with burning fuel trucks a month ago? Who bothered to bomb the refinery at the same time?
        Waited for a moment to find excuse for their actions?
        And this show with strategic bombers, why? So they can’t cope with simple aviation? But of course, and here, in particular, they immediately found a reasonable explanation for their application ..
        What is actually happening in Syria is not reported to us. But once strategic bombers went into action - then the successes of the Syrian army are not as good as we would like
      9. vitaliy.rnd
        vitaliy.rnd 18 November 2015 22: 31 New
        +1
        According to their version, this is a timer.
      10. Spitfire
        Spitfire 19 November 2015 08: 07 New
        0
        Quote: SRC P-15
        Militants published a photo in which allegedly an explosive device that destroyed the airliner over Sinai

        And the switch on the photo, why? Was there a suicide bomber on board?


        переключатель не голый, с "довеском". В нем батарея, индикация и чип-таймер.
    2. Civil
      Civil 18 November 2015 19: 59 New
      +2
      This is war. So said Vladimir Vladimirovich ... our losses are -224 people ... now we need to deal with the motives, why and against which our
    3. Kasym
      Kasym 18 November 2015 20: 02 New
      +3
      They would have to take days. They still had the arrogance to upload photos - they will find the sender of the photo! They don’t take a long walk already - you have to remind such scumbags for the KGB (FSB). hi
      Satanovsky speaks for Qatar.
      1. VOLCHOXURAL
        VOLCHOXURAL 18 November 2015 22: 57 New
        0
        Quote: Kasym
        Satanovsky speaks for Qatar.

        И исходя из старой как мир истины "ищите кому выгодно" правильно говорит мне так кажется.
    4. 79807420129
      79807420129 18 November 2015 20: 19 New
      +9
      The Barmalei were always distinguished by the bragging that they were the coolest, well, a screwdriver would look like there would be one beard with eggs in their ass.
    5. cniza
      cniza 18 November 2015 20: 47 New
      +2
      Quote: Irokez
      What’s there to say, you can disguise anything and anything. Everything can be. The main thing is not to do, but to carry it. And who benefits from it.



      Well, in war as in war, now catch gifts that are truly not disguised.
  2. Dezinto
    Dezinto 18 November 2015 19: 53 New
    +7
    Where has this jar lain the last few years?
    Schwepps - black ad?

    Not all specialists are inclined to believe what is exactly the explosive device in the photo (or a copy of it) that worked aboard the Kogalymavia airliner.
    ?? belay

    No damn it!
    1. AUL
      AUL 18 November 2015 20: 06 New
      +1
      In principle, they could take a picture before the attack, so that after bragging. But the jar will be too small!
      1. Dezinto
        Dezinto 18 November 2015 20: 10 New
        +3
        In principle, they could take a picture before the attack


        Well, yes, indeed ... I didn’t think of something ... wassat

        And about the size, well, why is there a lot of aircraft? To depressurize and all ... sad
    2. sabakina
      sabakina 18 November 2015 20: 21 New
      +4
      Quote: DEZINTO
      Where has this jar lain the last few years?
      Schwepps - black ad?

      He also drew attention to the bottom of the can ... Either they collect it in garbage cans or they have reusable ones ...
  3. hrych
    hrych 18 November 2015 19: 54 New
    11
    Meanwhile:
    Наемники режима Сауда во время вылазки на военную базу движения "Ансарулла" вблизи Баб-эль-Мандабского пролива попали в засаду народных сил Йемена, в результате было убито 200 наемников.

    Поступившие сообщения гласят о том, что "Ансарулла" во вторник эвакуировала военную базу, а силы арабской коалиции, полагая, что эта база пуста, предприняли вылазку, но вскоре узнали, что эта база была заминирована бойцами "Ансаруллы".

    При въезде наемников в эту базу бомбы взорвались, после чего силы "Ансаруллы" подвергли базу интенсивным ракетным обстрелам. Вслед за этим, больницы и морги г. Аден заполнились ранеными и погибшими наемников арабской коалиции, и командующий силами коалиции запросил в ОАЭ самолет для вывоза раненых.

    As a result of the operation, one of the Wahhabi sheikhs and a representative of the coalition mercenaries, close to the leadership of the UAE Hashim al-Seyed, was seriously wounded in the head, his nephew also died.
    1. Mikhail Krapivin
      Mikhail Krapivin 18 November 2015 22: 24 New
      +1
      It seems too late already, half-past ten in the evening, but it's never too late to read the good news :)
      1. xasharat
        xasharat 19 November 2015 00: 10 New
        +6
        Quote: Mikhail Krapivin
        It seems too late already, half-past ten in the evening, but it's never too late to read the good news :)


        ISIS such ISIS
        It would be strange to believe that these scum are completely zombie. Some just make money from it.
        1. Freelancer7
          Freelancer7 19 November 2015 01: 48 New
          +1
          Arab nooooooo-oooh, oh wondrous oooooo-oooh ...
          Poet!!!
  4. Anisim1977
    Anisim1977 18 November 2015 20: 00 New
    +4
    And thus they made themselves worse. The culprit is known - if they themselves do not recognize who ordered the whole chain of performers - they will have to destroy everyone. In Syria, Iraq, Sinai, Libya, Afghanistan ... ... maybe in Qatar and Saudi Arabia.
    I think if the United States explains their benefit from the destruction of Qatar and Saudi Arabia with our single powerful missile strike, and the benefit is that creditors and depositors with an express train go to Allah, and even with all the heirs, then the USA will have a couple of three trillion eternally green debts less. Let them remember how they threw Gaddafi for money - the scheme is essentially the same.
    But oil and gas, and the states and their own, are immeasurable now.
  5. Altona
    Altona 18 November 2015 20: 00 New
    +2
    Well done guys, what do you say? Now, each one with such a jar in the ass is shoved and blown up ... It's rude of course, but it's their choice ...
    1. Shark Lover
      Shark Lover 19 November 2015 05: 07 New
      0
      Why rude, self-adequate. And for a 9 aircraft tolerant to blow up? I would also put their wives and children on a plane and launch with a parachute of 000 without equipment. Already hands itch, remember more.
  6. hartlend
    hartlend 18 November 2015 20: 00 New
    +3
    Now you can publish any photo and PR until you turn blue. Where are the facts?
  7. AdekvatNICK
    AdekvatNICK 18 November 2015 20: 00 New
    +8
    Isil covers ...
  8. ALEA IACTA EST
    ALEA IACTA EST 18 November 2015 20: 00 New
    -5
    Such a jar blew up the whole A321? I do not believe!
    1. AdekvatNICK
      AdekvatNICK 18 November 2015 20: 03 New
      +7
      why not. The device was up to the kilogram. The main thing is to make a hole, and at such a height the physicist will finish everything very quickly.
    2. Altona
      Altona 18 November 2015 20: 04 New
      +7
      Quote: ALEA IACTA EST
      Such a jar blew up the whole A321? I do not believe!

      -------------------------
      Конструкция самолета в полете сильно нагружена, если воздействовать на силовой элемент дополнительным усилием, то конструкция сама пойдет вразнос...Конечно, тупой бородач с АК не смог до такого додуматься. Это хитрая инженерная задача, сделанная с силовым расчетом на 3D-модели лайнера. Потом грамотно спланированная. Это руки спецслужб "под чужим флагом", в данном случае ИГ...
    3. Hello
      Hello 18 November 2015 20: 07 New
      +3
      Quote: ALEA IACTA EST
      Such a jar blew up the whole A321? I do not believe!

      Enough 250 grams of explosives for the plane to lose control hi
      1. Rrrj
        Rrrj 18 November 2015 20: 31 New
        -6
        Quote: Hello
        Enough 250 grams of explosives for the plane to lose control

        Something you are a suspicious old man - not in one topic did not write - but here on those.
        Is the Cossack really sent up? Purgu drive the people.
        1. marinier
          marinier 18 November 2015 20: 34 New
          -1
          He is a representative of our friendly country!
          1. Hello
            Hello 18 November 2015 20: 54 New
            +5
            Quote: marinier
            He is a representative of our friendly country!
        2. Hello
          Hello 18 November 2015 20: 51 New
          -1
          Quote: rrrj
          Something you are a suspicious old man - not in one topic did not write - but here on those.
          Is the Cossack really sent up? Purgu drive the people.

          wassat Paranoid paranoid
          1. Rrrj
            Rrrj 18 November 2015 20: 58 New
            +1
            Quote: Hello
            Paranoid paranoid

            There is my respected data on some of your friends, so there is every reason to include you in the same list.
            1. Hello
              Hello 18 November 2015 21: 13 New
              +4
              Quote: rrrj
              There is my respected data on some of your friends, so there is every reason to include you in the same list.

              Hmm ... do you know my friends? It's interesting. What lists do you plan to include me in? I hope not in raster ones? tongue
              1. Rrrj
                Rrrj 18 November 2015 21: 17 New
                +2
                Quote: Hello
                Hmm ... do you know my friends?

                By this I mean your fellow tribesmen.
                Quote: Hello
                I hope not in raster?

                But what to take from you - either too much ideological (in most cases it is), or they’re ready to tear apart your shekels.
                1. Hello
                  Hello 18 November 2015 21: 20 New
                  +4
                  Quote: rrrj
                  By this I mean your fellow tribesmen.

                  wassat Jewish conspiracy?
                  Quote: rrrj
                  and what to take from you - either too much ideological (in most cases it is), or they’re ready to tear your ass for shekels.

                  Hmm ... you look like a not distant person, it is these people who are trying to bring the interlocutor to insults when there is nothing to say on the topic hi
          2. Ezhaak
            Ezhaak 18 November 2015 21: 49 New
            -1
            Quote: Hello
            Paranoid paranoid

            Consider and tell your friends that the minus is not set for the flag, but for the boorish comment!
      2. marinier
        marinier 18 November 2015 20: 37 New
        +3
        Only 4 grams of plastid in the baggage compartment to the wall
        board the aircraft. The lightweight metal is driven. And the depressurization of the cabin is ensured.
        1. sssla
          sssla 18 November 2015 20: 54 New
          -3
          Quote: marinier
          Only 4 grams of plastid in the baggage compartment to the wall

          Enough 250 grams of explosives

          Yeah, who is smaller !! Who can blame a firecracker for an airbus ???
          1. sssla
            sssla 18 November 2015 21: 01 New
            0
            Such for example
            1. Hello
              Hello 18 November 2015 21: 17 New
              0
              Quote: sssla
              Yeah, who is smaller !! Who can blame a firecracker for an airbus ???

              Dear, why exaggerate. 250 grams is enough for the plane to lose control. Naturally, if the bomb is planted correctly and detonates at the right time. I strongly doubt that they put it in the luggage compartment, I'm not special, but it seems to me in the luggage compartment and a kilogram would be small . hi
              1. andj61
                andj61 18 November 2015 21: 52 New
                +1
                Quote: Hello
                Dear, why exaggerate. 250 grams is enough for the plane to lose control. Naturally, if the bomb is planted correctly and detonates at the right time. I strongly doubt that they put it in the luggage compartment, I'm not special, but it seems to me in the luggage compartment and a kilogram would be small .

                A strong explosion is not needed here, a directional one is needed - only so that a through hole is formed. Next, the incoming air flow will complete it all. Therefore, a cartridge with an explosive bullet is enough. It is not for nothing that air marshals in the United States are equipped with weakened ammunition, obviously not able to violate the tightness of the aircraft. If they say that up to a kilogram - then with a thoughtful design it is even a lot. And it’s not difficult to come up with a concrete design.
          2. sssla
            sssla 18 November 2015 23: 54 New
            0
            Quote: Hello
            Dear, why exaggerate.

            Well, some exaggerate, while others with a Hollywood education teach others. What is the problem ???
        2. Gemini
          Gemini 19 November 2015 00: 28 New
          0
          no, well, buy a new claudia, does your W drop and the letter H fall off?
      3. Ezhaak
        Ezhaak 18 November 2015 21: 47 New
        +2
        Quote: Hello
        Enough 250 grams of explosives for the plane to lose control

        For loss of control, less than 50 grams is enough. explosives. If put in the right place.
  9. Mordvin
    Mordvin 18 November 2015 20: 01 New
    +3
    Question to experts demolition, in a jar a kilo of TNT equivalent will fit exactly? Ato, I doubted something.
    1. AdekvatNICK
      AdekvatNICK 18 November 2015 20: 06 New
      +4
      а с чего вы взяли что килограмм был? фсб сказало "ДО КИЛОГРАММА" то есть могло и 200 и 300 грамм быть.
    2. guzik007
      guzik007 18 November 2015 20: 39 New
      +2
      A kilo of TNT equivalent does not mean a weight of 1 kg. In the same way, the volume of 1 kg of iron is not equal to the volume of 1 kg of cotton wool.
      1. Dryuya2
        Dryuya2 18 November 2015 22: 27 New
        +9
        Quote: guzik007
        In the same way, the volume of 1 kg of iron is not equal to the volume of 1 kg of cotton wool.

        in his youth he tried to explain to his wife - he could not request
        (divorced)
        1. ANTI.KORR.
          ANTI.KORR. 19 November 2015 00: 23 New
          +2
          Quote: Dryuya2
          in his youth he tried to explain to his wife - he could not

          sorry I can’t put it ... I laughed heartily, thanks)))
    3. Prisoner
      Prisoner 18 November 2015 21: 41 New
      +1
      gram 800 will fit.
      1. Vadim Zhivov
        Vadim Zhivov 19 November 2015 06: 25 New
        0
        The answer is right ... Specialist? Although I think a little less ... Plus from me ... hi
        1. Prisoner
          Prisoner 19 November 2015 16: 05 New
          0
          Thank you. laughing Lover.
  10. mamont5
    mamont5 18 November 2015 20: 02 New
    +2
    Quote: SRC P-15
    Militants published a photo in which allegedly an explosive device that destroyed the airliner over Sinai

    And the switch on the photo, why? Was there a suicide bomber on board?

    Such a VU can only initiate a suicide bomber.
    1. SRC P-15
      SRC P-15 18 November 2015 20: 14 New
      +2
      Quote: mamont5
      Such a VU can only initiate a suicide bomber.

      I thought: you can do without a suicide bomber, if this switch is needed to turn on the timer, then it could be done by someone from the staff serving the plane at the airport.
  11. Prisoner
    Prisoner 18 November 2015 20: 03 New
    -1
    Will a kilogram of TNT fit there? No.
    1. AlexTires
      AlexTires 18 November 2015 20: 07 New
      +1
      a kilo, but not the fact that it was TNT stuffed, they could have done something more powerful ..
  12. His
    His 18 November 2015 20: 04 New
    +7
    Otvetik igil
    1. Mikhail Krapivin
      Mikhail Krapivin 18 November 2015 22: 30 New
      +1
      Very beautiful planes. Thought what fish nose looks like a shark on the face? Then I realized - to the stellate stellate sturgeon. Well, or sturgeon, who more like that. :)
  13. mamont5
    mamont5 18 November 2015 20: 04 New
    +5
    Quote: ALEA IACTA EST
    Such a jar blew up the whole A321? I do not believe!

    So it does not need to be torn to shreds. It is enough to disrupt the integrity of the skin, and there it will tear it with streams of air.
  14. Million
    Million 18 November 2015 20: 06 New
    10
    the plane is not a tank, such a can is enough to depressurize
  15. Sergey333
    Sergey333 18 November 2015 20: 11 New
    +1
    the militants and their foreign patrons will try their best to put the work of the investigation and special services of the Russian Federation on a false track.

    Watering everyone and it doesn’t matter whether a false trail or a real one - a good thug is a dead thug.
  16. U-96
    U-96 18 November 2015 20: 11 New
    -3
    Quote: mamont5
    So it does not need to be torn to shreds. It is enough to disrupt the integrity of the skin, and there it will tear it with streams of air.

    Yes? so will it break? Expert Detected. laughing
    1. St Petrov
      St Petrov 19 November 2015 00: 13 New
      +2
      judging by how you react, you should not look at the plane with its skin in the context, you can not then fly

      the plane falls apart from cracks sometimes in a design, and you still spent about 200 grams. you are apparently firecrackers or as above professional corsairs measure everything

      in the picture BB 60 grams



      60 grams Carl. there is not that the hole will be in the case, there is just tryndets all over 9000 meters
      How can one still argue about this and doubt it?

      In addition to explosives, bearings can also be placed in such a jar and the beard of a basmach, which he did

      1. ANTI.KORR.
        ANTI.KORR. 19 November 2015 00: 33 New
        +1
        Quote: s-t Petrov
        How can one still argue about this and doubt it?

        The people blunt, apparently not knowing that the shell explosive device, in addition to splinters, also gives an explosive wave, which, under conditions of external air discharge, will lead to the destruction of the aircraft.
  17. starec.luka
    starec.luka 18 November 2015 20: 11 New
    0
    it seems to me that a kilogram spent would not blow the plane ... correct if I am mistaken ... but this jar farted and there wouldn’t be anything ... if they put it next to the casing then yes
    1. Hello
      Hello 18 November 2015 20: 15 New
      +3
      Quote: starec.luka
      it seems to me that a kilogram spent would not blow the plane ... correct if I am mistaken ... but this jar farted and there wouldn’t be anything ... if they put it next to the casing then yes

      Not right, maybe it’s not enough on the ground, but at a height there is not much need for the plane to lose control. hi
    2. BARKHAN
      BARKHAN 19 November 2015 00: 26 New
      +5
      Баночка такого объёма наполненная тротилом "пукнет",как Вы выражаетесь довольно сильно...По объёму грамм 650-700 тротила поместится.Для сравнения в гранате Ф-1 -60гр,в РГД-5-110гр...Так ,что мощность даже избыточна,особенно при закладке рядом с обшивкой.Заливается просто, разогревается в кипятке и заливается в "посуду".
      It is impossible to lay without airfield personnel.
      The light bulbs on the device are most likely a props, the switch simply turns on the timer.
      And all these arguments are justified, provided that the explosive device was similar ... In practice, it could be anything.
      If the plane tried to climb several times, then the crew fought for a while ... and the ship collapsed later due to huge loads in the area of ​​the hole ...
      Eternal memory of the innocently murdered.
      The brutal death of the vile killers.
      1. BYV
        BYV 19 November 2015 03: 26 New
        0
        Quote: Barkhan
        gram 650-700 TNT fit

        Isn't it a bit much?
        1. BARKHAN
          BARKHAN 19 November 2015 19: 25 New
          +3
          I apologize, did not pay attention that the 0.33 bank thought 0.5.
          Specially interested in 0.33 about 300 gr.
          Sorry for the mistake. hi
          In the illustration, to enclose something for proportion, at least the same jar, otherwise the picture says nothing ...
  18. raid14
    raid14 18 November 2015 20: 16 New
    +2
    If the picture is true, then on board was a suicide bomber. Although it is possible this is a tricky move to deceive the special services.
    Like they wrote in some media about finding a timer in the wreckage?
    330 ml jar. depending on the type of explosive C-4, plastid, TNT, RDX, PETN it is from about 400-500 g to a kilogram of TNT equivalent.
  19. viktor561
    viktor561 18 November 2015 20: 23 New
    +1
    The terrorists also published photos of passports that belonged to passengers on board the aircraft. Currently, experts are figuring out the reliability of these photographic materials, reports Reuters.
    More details: http://vm.ru/news/2015/11/18/islamskoe-gosudarstvo-opublikovalo-foto-pronesennoj
    -na-bort-a321-bombi-303572.html? from = sm2
  20. Strezhevchanin
    Strezhevchanin 18 November 2015 20: 28 New
    +1
    but then they allegedly changed their minds “in connection with the beginning of the bombing of Syrian territory by Russian aircraft”.
    This is just brilliant !!!! It’s like according to Zadornov: To make it even more fun, I went and took a gun, everyone started to run away, and I started to shoot after them so they stopped
  21. Nikoha.2010
    Nikoha.2010 18 November 2015 20: 29 New
    +2
    Не очень важно,каким ВВ (террористы) произвели взрыв в самолёте. Важно уничтожить эту нечисть, а ебипетским таможенникам или, как там их, поотрывать с корнем всё "желание" содействовать террористам! am
    1. U-96
      U-96 18 November 2015 20: 55 New
      0
      Quote: Nikoha.2010
      It is not very important how the explosives (terrorists) made the explosion in the plane.

      actually, this is important.
      Quote: Nikoha.2010
      It is important to destroy this evil

      ah, well, these chants have nothing to do with the work of specialists. Nobody, in fact, argues what is needed.
      Quote: Nikoha.2010
      tear off the root

      дык - "как бешеных собак" и т.д.
  22. Dr. Bormental
    Dr. Bormental 18 November 2015 20: 30 New
    0
    Krantets Schwepps ....
    1. U-96
      U-96 18 November 2015 21: 12 New
      0
      Quote: Dr. Bormental
      Krantets Schwepps ....

      laughing always diluted gin with cranberry juice ... He considered the anti-malarial tradition of diluting the Britons with tonic and Diotism. laughing
      1. Dr. Bormental
        Dr. Bormental 18 November 2015 22: 20 New
        +1
        By the way, Schweppes glows under ultraviolet)))
  23. AdekvatNICK
    AdekvatNICK 18 November 2015 20: 32 New
    +3
    and the photo, Coca-Cola rival Schwepps threw
  24. Proud.
    Proud. 18 November 2015 20: 53 New
    0
    "...боевики и их зарубежные покровители постараются сделать всё, чтобы пустить работу следствия и специальных служб РФ по ложному следу..."
    1. U-96
      U-96 18 November 2015 21: 15 New
      +2
      Quote: Be proud.
      find everyone!

      as usual - there are much more fasting cartoons than those who are looking for laughing
  25. aba
    aba 18 November 2015 21: 13 New
    -1
    I do not believe a single word!
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 18 November 2015 21: 33 New
      -2
      I, too, vryatli one kilogram of TNT is enough to significantly tear the fuselage, so that the tail would fall off, 1 kilogram of explosives during the explosion releases energy of 4184000 J and 1000 cubic centimeters of gas, in principle, knowing the strength of the fuselage material, you can calculate the area of ​​the break.
  26. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 18 November 2015 21: 22 New
    +5
    Who listened carefully, he remembers - the plane fell apart in the air! Explosives - about a kilo in T.E. And the last - explosives - acetone peroxide, similar to that used in Paris. It is distinguished by the absence of traces of nitrogen compounds - dogs do not react like explosives!
    Плотность этой дряни - 1.2 кг/литр - в баночку от напитка - не влезет. Подрывалось - таймером. Радиоустройство располагается в металлическом самолете, если не знать, где именно будет располагаться, сигнал может и "не дойти". Когда самолёт на большой высоте, сигнал должен быть слишком мощным, могут засечь передатчик. Любимая террористами сотовая связь "не добьёт". Кстати, эта адская дрянь промышленностью не выпускается, поскольку легко инициируется от удара и огня, и нестабильна во времени. Просто подложить в чемодан - а ну как уронят при погрузке? ИМХО - баночка - это ложный и дурацкий след. Закладка была в районе хвоста, где сочленение с килем. Техники, обслуживавшие самолёт. Вряд ли уборщики работали в самолёте.
    1. starec.luka
      starec.luka 18 November 2015 21: 59 New
      0
      clearly explained ... good alignment ++++++++++++ good
  27. SHOCK.
    SHOCK. 18 November 2015 21: 32 New
    0
    Вообще то сначала говорилось о бомбе с часовым механизмом ,под сиденьем, в салоне самолёта.Сейчас говорят с точностью до наоборот.Так что пока что мы имеем "фактики в мире галактики".Спецы работают,нужно ждать.
  28. GOgaRu
    GOgaRu 18 November 2015 22: 13 New
    +1
    Most likely poured. If this is true, why didn’t they publish it at the very beginning? Patience they do not differ.
    It seems that the broads have some kind of media addiction. Five minutes of glory do not give rest.
  29. Pindermyak
    Pindermyak 18 November 2015 22: 29 New
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    Vashcheto evil tongues claim that to crash a Boeing enough to carry on board and shed a kilogram of gallium. And no explosives needed. Firewood from the words of the manufacturers and the insurance company where the dangerous goods declaration was drawn up.
  30. vitaliy.rnd
    vitaliy.rnd 18 November 2015 22: 32 New
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    I’ll be brief ... Bullshit.
  31. Mountain spacecraft
    Mountain spacecraft 18 November 2015 22: 37 New
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    Why only now? Typically, terrorists immediately determine who, where and why. Or are they first at .... whether the effect, and now come to their senses? What kind of docking it turns out.
  32. attuda
    attuda 18 November 2015 22: 51 New
    +2
    How a pyrotechnician can move
    the assumption that:
    1) for explosive mass in any shell
    It could be ... anything:

    200 гр.
    Plastid can give out explosive mass
    up to 1.5 kg of trotilla easily

    2) detonator standard ...
    Any army can be used
    in any world and not the world ...

    3) switch / switch
    knows what in composition
    hrenzna with what is connected hrenzna as ...

    Type when turned on
    triggering over time
    quite like ...
    Achob ...
    Inet? ... (write)

    As a pyrotechnician I warn ...
    Be afraid of everything
    all bringing ...
    And if I run silently ...
    Just follow me silently.
    Attacks YES!
    For peace!
  33. shalomnet
    shalomnet 18 November 2015 23: 31 New
    +2
    Such a can, sealed, filled with plastic explosives - will make a very large hole in the plane !! If you don’t tear it in half.
  34. 1rl141
    1rl141 18 November 2015 23: 59 New
    +3
    Quote: Asadullah
    Not a switch, but a switch, that is a contactor. Most likely, an altimeter is glued to it. The device is assembled, the contactor is cocked into a combat position, the altimeter gives a command to the relay of the contactor at a certain height. I doubt that three hundred grams of plasticine is enough to destroy such a board, it is necessary at least three such banks ....

    And how does this altimeter determine height? By pressure? In this case, he should be overboard.
    An ordinary timer and nothing more. And the current consumption is small and it will fulfill its task. And it may be mechanical.
    For an electric detonator, high voltage is not necessary.
    Однажды у моего сослуживца в кармане рабочей куртки взорвался электродетонатор.Есть такие детонаторы, с цоколем, как у автомобильной лампочки. Можно даже вместо лампочки в поворотник вставить.Так вот валяется у него в кармане этот детонатор, всякие ключи, гайки-болты и батарейка 1,5в, пальчиковая. И надо было так сойтись звездам и всем ключам, гайкам, болтам, батарейке и детонатору,чтобы замкнуть цепь и "этот динамит взорвался".
    The colleague has a short-term fright and a hole in his jacket pocket.
    He didn’t carry detonators in his pockets anymore.
  35. Angryvinny
    Angryvinny 19 November 2015 00: 16 New
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    I’m interested in this: let’s say the bank broke, for example, the plane was falling apart, but was it really so fast that the pilots didn’t have time to send any signals to the aircraft. If over Donbass they could be struck by fragmentation elements of missiles, then what is there?
  36. volan
    volan 19 November 2015 00: 21 New
    +3
    400 grams of TNT interrupts the rail, and then a kilogram ... And I would not exaggerate the power of S-4 in relation to TNT. Domestic analogue - PVV-4. I think the specialists will agree.
  37. Mishut37rf
    Mishut37rf 19 November 2015 01: 08 New
    +1
    -






    -"Боевики опубликовали фото, на котором якобы взрывное устройство, разрушившее авиалайнер над Синаем"-

    Waiting for a photo with the humanoid remains of militants. There is patience.
  38. Geological prospecting
    Geological prospecting 19 November 2015 01: 13 New
    +3
    A kilogram is not a kilogram, first you need to look at what is left,
    The tail plumage is left,
    fragmented fuselage to the wings,
    and large fragments from wings to nose.
    it means that the supporting structure of the airframe between the tail and the wings was destroyed by the explosion, the plane was gaining altitude.
    Knowing the power loads on the airframe structure, the necessary external action for destruction can be calculated.
    НО для этого нужно иметь электронную модель от производителя, сделать скидку на состояние самолета и получите "эффект бабочки".
    electronic model from the manufacturer - such as commercial secret, but where everything is sold and bought ...
    calculation in the simulation program, theoretically most students, almost a rare specialist.
    here it’s possible to start arguing about how many explosives were used, although to argue, the analysis of the debris and also the simulation give an idea of ​​the explosion that took place. We’ll wait and show on TV.
    originally talked about artisanal explosives
    later about industrial explosives
    итак большой обьем ВВ (с запасом) - можно говорить о "бородатых обезьянах с гранатой"
    VV exactly as much as necessary - indicative special operation, such as know your place
    and judging by the rhetoric and development of events, they faced the second scenario
    and the French raked out of the same pot that we
    Так что ждут нас ещё события "веселевее и веселевее"
  39. zabelkin
    zabelkin 19 November 2015 03: 31 New
    +2
    Throwing the opponent. With Reuters, it’s clear, strange that the Russian media suffered.
  40. Balagan
    Balagan 19 November 2015 05: 09 New
    0
    Igilovtsy decided to tease Russia? Well, well, boys, they still haven’t realized how they got ...
  41. Wolka
    Wolka 19 November 2015 06: 07 New
    +1
    заляпуха для лохов, фейк, фуфло задвинули, но только не это "чудо враждебной техники" было заложено на самолет...
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 19 November 2015 10: 01 New
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      Zalyapuha is still the same, especially with 1 kilogram of explosives that destroyed the plane, given that the explosives most likely were in luggage, and not in hand luggage with passengers.
  42. raid14
    raid14 19 November 2015 10: 28 New
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    In terms of intelligence, it is advisable to equip all aircraft of foreign flights with explosive gas detectors for checking passengers at the entrance to the cabin and baggage belongings with data output to the cockpit.
  43. petrakimov
    petrakimov 19 November 2015 11: 04 New
    +1
    Hi all!
    When installing the jar in close proximity to the longitudinal power structures, undermining the jar will lead to its destruction, provided that there is a screening screen above the jar (board, metal sheet, baggage, etc.) pressed down by the baggage load. Those. the jar was either loaded first and pinned down to intensify the explosion. Movers either knew about the presence and location of the jar, or they were told what and where to put it.
    There is an option to place the jar through the technological hatch. Who knows their location, can you think of a topic?
    After the explosion, due to the destruction of the power keel, the untwisting movement of the tail part occurs with a break in the skin and the destruction of the power frame. In this case, the sailing effect of the tail is not yet torn off. The plane can spin up (somersault back) and then falls down randomly somersaulting.
    The crew, probably, could not react due to departure from seats, a fall and strikes. Are there any belts? And then the effect of weightlessness. In this situation, it is impossible to even jump with a parachute.

    The operation is well planned and carried out on a level. This handwriting is not a rebel, but special services. Our strategic bombers are a hint to these special services about their readiness to go all the way to the point of declaring war on the enemy state.
  44. opus
    opus 19 November 2015 12: 08 New
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    Reuters news agency of the IS militants that they originally planned to carry out a terrorist attack aboard a plane of one of the western airlines, but then they allegedly changed their minds “in connection with the beginning of the bombing of Syrian territory by Russian aircraft”.

    pinned
    коалиция "бомбит" ИГИл более года
    As of August 7, 2015, more than 10 thousand targets were destroyed, of which 119 tanks, 340 HMMWV light trucks, 2 firing positions, etc. The total cost of the operation by July 577, 31 reached $ 2015 billion.

    and no terrorist attacks.
    We are 1 month old and a terrorist attack.


    CAN DO IT IN IT?