Militants published a photo in which allegedly an explosive device that destroyed the airliner over Sinai

Militants of the so-called “Islamic State” published a photograph on the Internet, which, they claim, depicts the very explosive device that led to the tragedy with the airliner following the flight from Sharm al-Sheikh to St. Petersburg. If you believe this information, the explosive was placed in a jar from under the carbonated beverage.

Information Agency Reuters distributes a statement by militants of the IG that initially they planned to carry out a terrorist attack aboard a plane of one of the western airlines, but then they allegedly changed their mind “in connection with the beginning of the bombing of the Russian aviation territory of Syria. "

Not all experts are inclined to believe that the photo is exactly the explosive device (or its copy) that worked on board the Kogalymavia airliner. After statements by the Russian authorities that Russia would get terrorists anywhere in the world, as well as after the publication of information by the Federal Security Service about a record amount of remuneration ($ 50 million) for information about the perpetrators and customers of the terrorist attack on Sinai, the militants and their foreign patrons They will try to do everything to put the work of the investigation and the special services of the Russian Federation on the wrong track.

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[Irokez]

What’s there to say, you can disguise anything and anything. Everything can be. The main thing is not to do, but to carry it. And who benefits from it.

[SRC P-15]

Militants published a photo in which allegedly an explosive device that destroyed the airliner over Sinai

And the switch on the photo, why? Was there a suicide bomber on board?

[AUL]

I think they will. Our experts estimated the power of the WU in kilograms of TNT, and I believe them. A jar will be small, even if plastid was used (which is unlikely)

[Hello]

Quote from AUL

I think they will. Our experts estimated the power of the WU in kilograms of TNT, and I believe them. A jar will be small, even if plastid was used (which is unlikely)

They said up to a kilogram

[Baikonur]

Quote: Hello

Quote from AUL

I think they will. Our experts estimated the power of the WU in kilograms of TNT, and I believe them. A jar will be small, even if plastid was used (which is unlikely)

They said up to a kilogram

Quote: СРЦ П-15

And the switch on the photo, why? Was there a suicide bomber on board?

The answer in the last line of the last sentence of the article:

After statements by the Russian authorities that Russia will get terrorists anywhere in the world, and also after the publication of information by the Federal Security Service about a record amount of remuneration ($ 50 million) for information about the perpetrators and customers of the attack on Sinai, the militants and their foreign patrons They will try to do everything to start up the work of the investigation and special services of the Russian Federation on a false trail.

The point is squeezing something!
As our course leader said: Their eggs hovered over an abyss!

[yushch]

Quote: Hello

Quote from AUL

I think they will. Our experts estimated the power of the WU in kilograms of TNT, and I believe them. A jar will be small, even if plastid was used (which is unlikely)

They said up to a kilogram

This is plastid, look carefully at the bottom of the can, or synthex, and they are more powerful than TNT every two or three. That's what turns up to a kilogram of TNT.

[maylevka]

Plastite, c4, rdx, semtex are just a mixture of TNT with RDX with the addition of "plasticine". It is not much stronger than TNT itself. And in any case, there is no explosive that is 3 times stronger than TNT.

[Amakc]

in f-1 grenade of TNT 80, I think it is enough to destroy any aircraft at an altitude of 9000 meters ....

[Comrade Bender]

Sorry, but in f-1 60 gram of TNT.

[Amakc]

More interesting - as far as I remember - carbonated drinks, deodorants, perfumes - which are under pressure can NOT be carried into the cabin. This is cut off even when inspecting luggage. Conclusion: the jar got past control, which means the airport staff was involved in the terrorist attack .. And rightly so, they ordered a trip to Egypt .... They really know the price of negligence ... in the absence of a gold mine - tourists.

[Dryuya2]

Quote: AMakc

More interesting - as far as I remember - carbonated drinks, deodorants, perfumes - which are under pressure can NOT be carried into the cabin. This is cut off even when inspecting luggage

on the radio I heard a version that was supposedly under the seat - the cabin cleaner could leave.

[renics]

Now the Reuters reports that the video at the airport recorded the transfer of the suitcase, to the airport employees, to the loader, out of control of the contents.

[Vadim237]

The suitcase is intact, and the fuselage of the plane was torn apart - a fairy tale.

[renics]

You're blind, you can't imagine a suitcase. Then look at how the whole looks in the photo.

[renics]

You're blind, you can't imagine a whole suitcase. Then look at how the whole one looks in the photo.

[podpolkovnik]

Quote: AMakc

More interesting - as I recall - carbonated drinks, deodorants, perfumes - under pressure should not be carried into the cabin. This is cut off during the inspection of baggage.

On this fact I will clarify.
In the salon can not be carried, it is.
Cut off during inspection hand luggage.
But you can take in the luggage.
I myself handed over so much luggage.

[Tersky]

Quote from AUL

I think they will. Our specialists estimated the power of WU in kilograms of TNT,

Unforgettable about plastid, its kilogram is approximately equal to five kilograms of TNT equivalent. The basis of plastic explosives is hexogen (TNT equivalent ~ = 1,7), its content in plastid is from 70% and higher.
If it is an American with 4 (i.e. = 1.34) - then its weight should be 750 !

[Asadullah]

its kilogram is approximately equal to five kilograms of TNT equivalent.

Well, right , you yourself brought the proportion. By the way, the blasting action in this case is expressed not by the chemical composition, but by the "packing" of nitro groups. That is, in plastic, they are "stacked" more densely. And so, you can nitrate your own cotton sweatshirt and blow it up with success. Only a simple sweatshirt on a hanger will depict cotton with a bright flash, and a sweatshirt tightly pressed into which pan will burst specifically.

[Tersky]

Quote: Asadullah

By the way, the blasting action in this case is expressed not by the chemical composition, but by the "packing" of nitro groups.

You are mistaken, brisance also depends on composition explosive, as you said, its density, as well as the physical condition and degree of grinding. Hexogen brisance - estimated in 24 mm (breaks the lead cylinder), TNT - 16,5 mm

[starwars]

Why not enough, 250 grams is enough to blow up an airplane.

[Good me]

Quote from AUL

I think they will. Our experts estimated the power of the WU in kilograms of TNT, and I believe them. A jar will be small, even if plastid was used (which is unlikely)

I think it will be interesting.


6 the most powerful explosives in the world.

Since the invention of gunpowder, the world race for the most powerful explosives has not stopped. This is relevant today, despite the advent of nuclear weapons.

1) RDX - an explosive medicine Back in 1899, the German chemist Hans Genning patented the RDX medicine, an analogue of the famous urotropin, to treat inflammation in the urinary tract. But soon the doctors lost interest in him due to collateral intoxication. Only thirty years later, it turned out that RDX proved to be a powerful explosive, more destructive than TNT. A kilogram of RDX explosive will produce the same damage as 1.25 kilogram of TNT. Pyrotechnic specialists mainly characterize explosives as being explosive and brisant. In the first case, they talk about the volume of gas released during the explosion. Like, the bigger it is, the more powerful is the explosiveness. Brisance, in turn, depends on the rate of gas production and shows how explosives can crush surrounding materials. 10 grams of RDX during the explosion emit 480 cubic centimeters of gas, while TNT - 285 cubic centimeters. In other words, the hexagen in 1.7 is more powerful than TNT in its explosive capacity and more dynamic in 1,26 times in brisance. However, the media most often uses a certain average indicator. For example, the atomic charge “Kid”, dropped on 6 on August 1945 on the Japanese city of Hiroshima, is estimated at 13-18 kilotons in TNT. Meanwhile, this does not characterize the power of the explosion, but speaks of how much TNT is needed to produce as much heat as with the indicated nuclear bombardment.

2) Octogen - half a billion dollars for air In 1942, the American chemist Bachmann, while conducting experiments with RDX, accidentally discovered a new substance, octogen, and in the form of an impurity. He offered his find to the military, but they refused. Meanwhile, a few years later, after it was possible to stabilize the properties of this chemical compound, the Pentagon was still interested in octogen. True, in its pure form for military purposes, it was not widely used, most often in the injection mixture with TNT. This explosive is called "octol". It turned out to be 15% more powerful than RDX. As for its effectiveness, it is believed that one kilogram of HMX will produce the same amount of damage as four kilograms of TNT. However, in those years, the production of HMX was 10 times more expensive than the production of RDX, which hindered its production in the Soviet Union. Our generals calculated that it is better to produce six shells with RDX than one with octol. That is why the explosion of the ammunition depot in Vietnamese Qui Ngon in April 1969 of the year was so expensive for the Americans. Then a Pentagon spokesman said that because of the sabotage of partisans, the damage amounted to 123 million dollars, or about 0.5 billion dollars at current prices. In the 80-ies of the last century after the Soviet chemists, including E.Yu. Orlov, developed an effective and inexpensive technology for the synthesis of HMX, in large volumes he began to be produced with us.

[Good me]

Quote: Good Me

6 the most powerful explosives in the world.

3) Astrolit is good, but it smells bad At the beginning of the 60 of the last century, the American company EXCOA presented a new explosive based on hydrazine, saying that it was 20 times more powerful than TNT. The Pentagon generals who arrived for testing were knocked down by the terrible smell of an abandoned public toilet. However, they were ready to tolerate him. However, a series of tests with aerial bombs fueled by astrolite A 1-5 showed that the explosives were only twice as powerful as TNT. After Pentagon officials rejected the bomb, EXCOA engineers proposed a new version of this explosive already under the ASTRA-PAK brand, and for digging trenches using the directional explosion method. In a commercial, a soldier watered the earth with a thin stream, and then detonated the liquid from the shelter. And the trench in human growth - was ready. On its own initiative, EXCOA released 1000 kits of such explosives and sent them to the Vietnamese front. In reality, it ended sadly and anecdotally. The resulting trenches exuded such a disgusting smell that American soldiers strove to leave them at all costs, regardless of orders and danger to life. Those who remained lost consciousness. Unused kits, the troops sent at their own expense back to the EXCOA office.

4) An explosive that kills its own. Along with hexogen and octogen, the classics of explosives are considered to be difficult to pronounce tetranitropentaerythritol, which is often called ten. However, due to its high sensitivity, it was not widely used. The fact is that for military purposes, it’s important not so much explosives, which are more destructive than others, but those that do not explode from any touch, that is, with low sensitivity. Particularly meticulous are Americans. It was they who developed the NATO STANAG 4439 standard for explosive sensitivity, which can be used for military purposes. True, this happened after a series of very serious incidents, including: the explosion of a warehouse at the Bien-Ho air force base in Vietnam in Vietnam, which cost 33 technicians life; accident on board the aircraft carrier “Forrestal”, as a result of which 60 aircraft were damaged; detonation in the storage of aircraft missiles aboard the Oriskani aircraft carrier (1966 of the year), also with numerous casualties.

[Good me]

Quote: Good I

6 the most powerful explosives in the world

5) Chinese destroyer In the 80 years of the last century, the substance tricyclic urea was synthesized. It is believed that the first to receive this explosive were the Chinese. Tests showed the enormous destructive power of urea - one kilogram of it replaced twenty-two kilograms of TNT. Experts agree with such conclusions, since the "Chinese destroyer" has the highest density of all known explosives, and at the same time has the maximum oxygen coefficient. That is, during the explosion, all material is completely burned. By the way, in TNT it is equal to 0.74. In reality, tricyclic urea is not suitable for military operations, primarily due to poor hydrolytic stability. The very next day, with standard storage, it turns into mucus. However, the Chinese managed to get another "urea" - dinitromourea, which, although worse in terms of explosiveness than the "destroyer", is also one of the most powerful explosives. Today, it is released by the Americans in their three pilot plants.

6) The Pyromaniac's Dream - CL-20 Explosive CL-20 today is positioned as one of the most powerful. In particular, the media, including the Russian ones, claim that one kg of CL-20 causes destruction, which requires 20kg of TNT. It is interesting that the Pentagon allocated money for the development of the CL-20 only after a message appeared in the American press that such explosives had already been made in the USSR. In particular, one of the reports on this subject was called: “Perhaps this substance was developed by Russians at the Zelinsky Institute.” In reality, the Americans considered another explosive, first obtained in the USSR, namely diaminoazoxyfurazan, as a promising explosive. Along with high power, significantly superior to HMX, it has low sensitivity. The only thing that holds back its widespread use is the lack of industrial technology.

http://russian7.ru/2014/06/6-samykh-moshhnykh-vzryvchatykh-veshhestv-v-mir/
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[maylevka]

There is such a transparent liquid explosive - EGDN (Ethylene glycol dinitrate), and so, not only is it very dense, ~ 1500 kg / m3, one and a half times heavier than water, and its TNT coefficient = 2, i.e. twice as powerful. For a bomb to have a power of 1 kg in TNT, 500 g of such a liquid is needed. Oddly enough, 500 g of such explosives takes exactly 0,33 liters, just like that can of schweppes. Maybe a coincidence of course, but theoretically real.
V = m / p = 0,5 (kg) / 1,5 (l / kg) = 0,33 .. (l)

Moreover, there are very few types of explosives with TNT coefficient = 2, even less in a liquid state, and we can say only EGDN can make bearded men from improvised means. And since the container was in the jar, it is logical to assume that the liquid would fit best, due to the full filling of the volume.

PS. Who remembers the ban on liquids on airplanes during the Olympics? They were afraid precisely the transportation of EGDN among suicide bombers.

[vladimirZ]

A jar will be small, even if plastid was used (which is unlikely)

A jar, not a jar, but the crew, a team of stewards, in preparation for the departure, at least she did an external examination of the cabin, checked everything under the seats.
And it would not hurt a flight engineer to have a crew that should monitor the actions of ground services in preparing the aircraft for departure, and to prepare the aircraft for the next departure at intermediate airports where there are no our ground technical services.
Saving, damn it, on human lives.

[Cook]

Flight attendants, if they climb under the seats, will not have time in an hour what is allotted for pre-flight training, check the equipment of the passenger cabin, take luggage and board meals. Inspection of the cabin is superficial. The flight engineer on this type of aircraft is not provided, and even if it had been provided, it has different functions. Ground services are led by a supervisor or airline representative. You can’t put a controller behind each. All employees of the airport services, when applying for a job, must be checked by the relevant competent authorities.

[vladimirZ]

Flight attendants, if they climb under the seats, will not have time in an hour what is allotted for pre-flight training, check

An hour of pre-flight training for a steward brigade is not enough, let it spend 2 hours in a "foreign" foreign port.
There is no flight engineer on this type of aircraft, let them introduce it for flights to foreign countries where foreigners take part in maintenance, or introduce, by agreement with the host state, a Russian engineering and technical staff for servicing Russian planes flying there en masse, than it is stupid to prohibit flights to "some foreign countries," as RF Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev said.
Everything is solved with a competent solution to the problem.
And the functions of a flight engineer, if necessary, are not only control of pre-flight preparation, but also its implementation, especially since in flight "on these types of aircraft" he has nothing to do.

[erlikon]

Quote from AUL

I think they will. Our experts estimated the power of the WU in kilograms of TNT, and I believe them. A jar will be small, even if plastid was used (which is unlikely)

So it’s in TNT equivalent. And if you put C-4 in such a jar, then the explosion in power will be approximately equivalent to 1 kg of TNT. And not the fact that there is more powerful VV. Yes, much more depends on where the explosion occurred. In the field, one destructive effect, in an isolated enclosed space another.

[Amakc]

This is not a switch, but most likely a height sensor, an odometer, with on-off control. He skidded - collected - on - put - forgot. after dialing a programmable height limit - signal - explosion. And with a fotkat they could also the 2nd or 9th bank ready for operation. Already anyway ..... The fact of preparation is visible.

[Dryuya2]

Quote: AMakc

2nd or 9th can

and why the jar is old - somebody will say.
Is there money for bombs, but no water?
For example, I do not understand this?

[Good me]

Quote: Dryuya2

and why the jar is old - somebody will say.

I suppose that in doing so the terrorists show disregard for us. Like, with such rubbish, we will put you on your knees.
The psychological move, in my opinion ...

[scorpiosys]

Behind the switch at the back, there are two LEDs, green and red, in addition, they are clearly soldered to the scarf, since it is clear that the back of the switch is pulled into a heat-shrink polymer tube. And the power source is not visible from the outside. Those. there is some kind of soldered circuitry, apparently with a small battery, it just might be a timer with the inclusion of a countdown by applying power from the switch.

[Asadullah]

Not a switch, but a switch, that is a contactor. Most likely, an altimeter is glued to it. The device is assembled, the contactor is cocked into a combat position, the altimeter gives a command to the relay of the contactor at a certain height. I doubt that three hundred grams of plasticine is enough to destroy such a board, it is necessary at least three such banks ....

[will go]

If they posted it, it means they left traces in the internet, and therefore there is a chance of calculating them. Or am I wrong?

[PQ-18]

Well, WHAT type of altimeter did you see in this photo?
judging by the LEDs, it is more likely that the circuit with an electronic timer

[opus]

Quote: Asadullah

Most likely, an altimeter is glued to it. The device is assembled, the contactor is cocked into a combat position, the altimeter gives a command to the relay of the contactor at a certain height.

mmmm.
In the luggage compartment, pressure = cabin pressure and temperature are maintained in the 21 GRS.

Modern Airbus A319, 320, 321 support in the luggage compartment about 20-26 degrees of heat.
Boing 747, 767 and 777 mainly from 15 to 20 degrees of heat.

If you are not in the know:
1. The animal transported would die

2.Alaska Airlines plane took off from Seattle airport with a loader accidentally remaining in the cargo compartment of the liner.

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only a timer (or a passenger’s radio transmitter), set probably by one of similar employees (photo of a Turkish loader - DOES NOT RELATE TO EGYPT, but everything is the same there)

[opus]

Quote: Asadullah

I doubt that three hundred grams of plasticine is enough

According to the newspaper Kommersant, FSB experts found at the crash site part of the fuselage with a hole with a diameter of 1 m, at this hole curved outward edges which indicates that it appeared as a result of the explosion.

It depends on where, on the power frame, 100gr would be enough. If it is plastic and "stuck" directly to the frame

in the area of ​​the pressurized compartments, excessive internal pressure acting from the inside of the fuselage when flying at altitude also joins the loads. Active participation in the process of perception of loads is taken by the working skin.

sheets with a thickness of 0,09 mm, in fact, the skin of the aircraft, this is foil.
The body of a passenger plane can be compared to an aluminum can of beer. Moreover, the relative structural strength of the cans will be several times better than the body of the aircraft.

[Falcon]

Quote: opus

In the luggage compartment, pressure = cabin pressure and temperature are maintained in the 21 GRS.

But it is not equal to pressure on the earth. It changes in proportion to the decrease in pressure overboard, only with its delta. Theoretically - knowing this delta for A-321, you can calculate the real height - from the pressure of the cabin.

It seems to us only on the Yak-42 that the delta was not constant.
From some height the pressure was kept the same.

I don’t know how on 321 ... But the plane is big - most likely the schedule is approximately similar to the Tu-154

[opus]

Quote: Falcon

It changes in proportion to the decrease in pressure overboard,

SARD?
air bleeding with a maximum speed of 0,18 mm Hg / s
the value of the differential pressure (interior) is in the range of 0,57 - 0,63 kg / cm ^ 2
1 atm = 1.033227453 × kgf / cm²

When the plane takes off, near the ground, the pressure in the cabin is equal to the earth, the differential is zero. The following happens in the climb (on different planes in different ways)
Option 1, the pressure of the airport in the aircraft cabin remains constant up to an altitude of 2700 meters, after which, gradually, the “height in the cockpit” begins to grow. At this height, the difference reaches a value of 0,57kg / cm². Now, in order for it to remain constant, it is necessary that the pressure in the cabin drops along with the atmospheric pressure. T.O. upon reaching the "ceiling" of the given level, the pressure inside the pressurized cabin will be the same as at an altitude of 2,7 km. Further ascent of the aircraft can be sad for passengers, because the height in the cockpit will be over 3000 meters, at such an altitude oxygen starvation can begin.

Variant 2, On other aircraft the "cockpit height" begins to rise immediately after takeoff, and at an altitude of ~ 3000 meters, the difference is ~ 0,6kg / cm². This can be seen in detail from the graphs, the essence remains the same as in the first version.

1. Pressure drop in the cabin with a rise in height (height in the cabin)
2. Atmospheric pressure drop with height.
3. The difference.
4. Estimated, maximum differential.
Before landing, the arrival airport dispatcher informs the crew of the atmospheric pressure of the arrival airport. The crew, in turn, puts this pressure on the command unit of the ARD system. If you don’t do this, then the SARD will leave inside the cabin the pressure of the departure airport. This means that you either will not open the front door, or vice versa, it will be knocked out by pressure when you open the door lock.

IT is so hard to program! You need to know: departure / arrival points, date, time, level, pressure and T at the point of arrival / departure. The exact type of aircraft, etc.

A pressure sensor PTE5000 at a pressure of 0 MPa will give 4 mA at the output, and at a pressure of 0,6 MPa it will give out 20 mA, since it is rigidly set to a range of 0 ... 0,6 MPa. The pressure sensor KLAY 8000-ES has an adjustable range of 0 -1 ... 4 bar, this means that at a pressure of 0 bar the sensor will give 4 mA in the same way, and 20 mA will give at any value from the range of 1 ... 4 barwhich is configured by the user using a special "SPAN" potentiometer.

No, of course, in 2015, the smallest (1.4 × 1.0 × 0.6 mm) pressure sensor with excellent accuracy was presented at the Mobile World Congress ...

Quote: Falcon

I don’t know how on 321 ... But the plane is big - most likely the schedule is approximately similar to the Tu-154

For the Tu-134, this is 0,57 kg / cm², for the Yak-42 - 0,6 kg / cm² for the IL-62 - 0,63 kg / cm².
In fact, this parameter determines how strong the fuselage of the aircraft is.

[Gilev georgy]

I have no idea, especially considering that snot stretches from him. It’s easier to clip

[vladimir_krm]

A can, an electric detonator, and some kind of homemade product with a switch and LEDs. There should be a battery and electronics under the electrical tape - either a timer, or a pressure sensor (which is unlikely). LEDs are more for show-off, and the "bomb" itself is most likely not the same, just "boasted". Now the special services are probably tracking who uploaded the picture and from where.

[mark2]

And here's what's interesting to me. Since when has ISIS been on the news front? They rushed to Paris, Hollande declared that it was ISIS, and ISIS immediately took over everything. Our people announced yesterday that it was a terrorist attack - and today ISIS “repent” that it was them. and even provided a bomb option. Initially, when everyone fell on a rusty plane and crooked technicians and pilots, ISIS did not show itself. Some rebels were drawn in the Sinai. But they claimed that they had shot him down at all.
Something here, somehow everything is suspicious .. Who interfered with burning fuel trucks a month ago? Who bothered to bomb the refinery at the same time?
Waited for a moment to find excuse for their actions?
And this show with strategic bombers, why? So they can’t cope with simple aviation? But of course, and here, in particular, they immediately found a reasonable explanation for their application ..
What is actually happening in Syria is not reported to us. But once strategic bombers went into action - then the successes of the Syrian army are not as good as we would like

[vitaliy.rnd]

According to their version, this is a timer.

[Spitfire]

Quote: SRC P-15

Militants published a photo in which allegedly an explosive device that destroyed the airliner over Sinai

And the switch on the photo, why? Was there a suicide bomber on board?

the switch is not naked, with a "makeweight". It contains a battery, an indication and a timer chip.

[Civil]

This is war. So said Vladimir Vladimirovich ... our losses are -224 people ... now we need to deal with the motives, why and against which our

[Kasym]

They would have to take days. They still had the arrogance to upload photos - they will find the sender of the photo! They don’t take a long walk already - you have to remind such scumbags for the KGB (FSB).
Satanovsky speaks for Qatar.

[VOLCHOXURAL]

Quote: Kasym

Satanovsky speaks for Qatar.

And proceeding from the old as the world truth "seek who benefits" correctly tells me so it seems.

[79807420129]

The Barmalei were always distinguished by the bragging that they were the coolest, well, a screwdriver would look like there would be one beard with eggs in their ass.

[cniza]

Quote: Irokez

What’s there to say, you can disguise anything and anything. Everything can be. The main thing is not to do, but to carry it. And who benefits from it.

Well, in war as in war, now catch gifts that are truly not disguised.

[Dezinto]

Where has this jar lain the last few years?
Schwepps - black ad?

Not all specialists are inclined to believe what is exactly the explosive device in the photo (or a copy of it) that worked aboard the Kogalymavia airliner.

??

No damn it!

[AUL]

In principle, they could take a picture before the attack, so that after bragging. But the jar will be too small!

[Dezinto]

In principle, they could take a picture before the attack

Well, yes, indeed ... I didn’t think of something ...

And about the size, well, why is there a lot of aircraft? To depressurize and all ...

[sabakina]

Quote: DEZINTO

Where has this jar lain the last few years?
Schwepps - black ad?

He also drew attention to the bottom of the can ... Either they collect it in garbage cans or they have reusable ones ...

[hrych]

Meanwhile:
Mercenaries of the Saud regime, during a raid on the military base of the Ansarullah movement near the Bab el-Mandab Strait, were ambushed by the Yemeni people's forces, as a result of which 200 mercenaries were killed.

The reports received indicate that Ansarullah evacuated the military base on Tuesday, and the Arab coalition forces, believing that the base was empty, launched a sortie, but soon learned that the base was mined by Ansarullah fighters.

Bombs exploded as the mercenaries entered the base, after which the Ansarullah forces subjected the base to intense rocket fire. Following this, hospitals and morgues in Aden were filled with wounded and dead Arab coalition mercenaries, and the commander of the coalition forces requested a plane to the UAE to evacuate the wounded.

As a result of the operation, one of the Wahhabi sheikhs and a representative of the coalition mercenaries, close to the leadership of the UAE Hashim al-Seyed, was seriously wounded in the head, his nephew also died.

[Mikhail Krapivin]

It seems too late already, half-past ten in the evening, but it's never too late to read the good news :)

[xasharat]

Quote: Mikhail Krapivin

It seems too late already, half-past ten in the evening, but it's never too late to read the good news :)

ISIS such ISIS
It would be strange to believe that these scum are completely zombie. Some just make money from it.

[Freelancer7]

Arab nooooooo-oooh, oh wondrous oooooo-oooh ...
Poet!!!

[Anisim1977]

And thus they made themselves worse. The culprit is known - if they themselves do not recognize who ordered the whole chain of performers - they will have to destroy everyone. In Syria, Iraq, Sinai, Libya, Afghanistan ... ... maybe in Qatar and Saudi Arabia.
I think if the United States explains their benefit from the destruction of Qatar and Saudi Arabia with our single powerful missile strike, and the benefit is that creditors and depositors with an express train go to Allah, and even with all the heirs, then the USA will have a couple of three trillion eternally green debts less. Let them remember how they threw Gaddafi for money - the scheme is essentially the same.
But oil and gas, and the states and their own, are immeasurable now.

[Altona]

Well done guys, what do you say? Now, each one with such a jar in the ass is shoved and blown up ... It's rude of course, but it's their choice ...

[Shark Lover]

Why rude, self-adequate. And for a 9 aircraft tolerant to blow up? I would also put their wives and children on a plane and launch with a parachute of 000 without equipment. Already hands itch, remember more.

[hartlend]

Now you can publish any photo and PR until you turn blue. Where are the facts?

[AdekvatNICK]

Isil covers ...

[ALEA IACTA EST]

Such a jar blew up the whole A321? I do not believe!

[AdekvatNICK]

why not. The device was up to the kilogram. The main thing is to make a hole, and at such a height the physicist will finish everything very quickly.

[Altona]

Quote: ALEA IACTA EST

Such a jar blew up the whole A321? I do not believe!

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The structure of the aircraft in flight is heavily loaded, if you act on the power element with additional force, then the structure itself will go haywire ... Of course, the stupid bearded man with the AK could not think of this. This is a tricky engineering task done with a force analysis on a 3D model of the liner. Then it was well planned. These are the hands of the special services "under a false flag," in this case, IS ...

[Hello]

Quote: ALEA IACTA EST

Such a jar blew up the whole A321? I do not believe!

Enough 250 grams of explosives for the plane to lose control

[Rrrj]

Quote: Hello

Enough 250 grams of explosives for the plane to lose control

Something you are a suspicious old man - not in one topic did not write - but here on those.
Is the Cossack really sent up? Purgu drive the people.

[marinier]

He is a representative of our friendly country!

[Hello]

Quote: marinier

He is a representative of our friendly country!

[Hello]

Quote: rrrj

Something you are a suspicious old man - not in one topic did not write - but here on those.
Is the Cossack really sent up? Purgu drive the people.

Paranoid paranoid

[Rrrj]

Quote: Hello

Paranoid paranoid

There is my respected data on some of your friends, so there is every reason to include you in the same list.

[Hello]

Quote: rrrj

There is my respected data on some of your friends, so there is every reason to include you in the same list.

Hmm ... do you know my friends? It's interesting. What lists do you plan to include me in? I hope not in raster ones?

[Rrrj]

Quote: Hello

Hmm ... do you know my friends?

By this I mean your fellow tribesmen.

Quote: Hello

I hope not in raster?

But what to take from you - either too much ideological (in most cases it is), or they’re ready to tear apart your shekels.

[Hello]

Quote: rrrj

By this I mean your fellow tribesmen.

Jewish conspiracy?

Quote: rrrj

and what to take from you - either too much ideological (in most cases it is), or they’re ready to tear your ass for shekels.

Hmm ... you look like a not distant person, it is these people who are trying to bring the interlocutor to insults when there is nothing to say on the topic

[Ezhaak]

Quote: Hello

Paranoid paranoid

Consider and tell your friends that the minus is not set for the flag, but for the boorish comment!

[marinier]

Only 4 grams of plastid in the baggage compartment to the wall
board the aircraft. The lightweight metal is driven. And the depressurization of the cabin is ensured.

[sssla]

Quote: marinier

Only 4 grams of plastid in the baggage compartment to the wall

Enough 250 grams of explosives

Yeah, who is smaller !! Who can blame a firecracker for an airbus ???

[sssla]

Such for example

[Hello]

Quote: sssla

Yeah, who is smaller !! Who can blame a firecracker for an airbus ???

Dear, why exaggerate. 250 grams is enough for the plane to lose control. Naturally, if the bomb is planted correctly and detonates at the right time. I strongly doubt that they put it in the luggage compartment, I'm not special, but it seems to me in the luggage compartment and a kilogram would be small .

[andj61]

Quote: Hello

Dear, why exaggerate. 250 grams is enough for the plane to lose control. Naturally, if the bomb is planted correctly and detonates at the right time. I strongly doubt that they put it in the luggage compartment, I'm not special, but it seems to me in the luggage compartment and a kilogram would be small .

A strong explosion is not needed here, a directional one is needed - only so that a through hole is formed. Next, the incoming air flow will complete it all. Therefore, a cartridge with an explosive bullet is enough. It is not for nothing that air marshals in the United States are equipped with weakened ammunition, obviously not able to violate the tightness of the aircraft. If they say that up to a kilogram - then with a thoughtful design it is even a lot. And it’s not difficult to come up with a concrete design.

[sssla]

Quote: Hello

Dear, why exaggerate.

Well, some exaggerate, while others with a Hollywood education teach others. What is the problem ???

[Gemini]

no, well, buy a new claudia, does your W drop and the letter H fall off?

[Ezhaak]

Quote: Hello

Enough 250 grams of explosives for the plane to lose control

For loss of control, less than 50 grams is enough. explosives. If put in the right place.

[Mordvin]

Question to experts demolition, in a jar a kilo of TNT equivalent will fit exactly? Ato, I doubted something.

[AdekvatNICK]

and where did you get the idea that the kilogram was? FSB said "UP TO A KILOGRAM" that is, it could be 200 and 300 grams.

[guzik007]

A kilo of TNT equivalent does not mean a weight of 1 kg. In the same way, the volume of 1 kg of iron is not equal to the volume of 1 kg of cotton wool.

[Dryuya2]

Quote: guzik007

In the same way, the volume of 1 kg of iron is not equal to the volume of 1 kg of cotton wool.

in his youth he tried to explain to his wife - he could not
(divorced)

[ANTI.KORR.]

Quote: Dryuya2

in his youth he tried to explain to his wife - he could not

sorry I can’t put it ... I laughed heartily, thanks)))

[Prisoner]

gram 800 will fit.

[Vadim Zhivov]

The answer is right ... Specialist? Although I think a little less ... Plus from me ...

[Prisoner]

Thank you. Lover.

[mamont5]

Quote: SRC P-15

Militants published a photo in which allegedly an explosive device that destroyed the airliner over Sinai

And the switch on the photo, why? Was there a suicide bomber on board?

Such a VU can only initiate a suicide bomber.

[SRC P-15]

Quote: mamont5

Such a VU can only initiate a suicide bomber.

I thought: you can do without a suicide bomber, if this switch is needed to turn on the timer, then it could be done by someone from the staff serving the plane at the airport.

[Prisoner]

Will a kilogram of TNT fit there?

[AlexTires]

a kilo, but not the fact that it was TNT stuffed, they could have done something more powerful ..

[His]

Otvetik igil

[Mikhail Krapivin]

Very beautiful planes. Thought what fish nose looks like a shark on the face? Then I realized - to the stellate stellate sturgeon. Well, or sturgeon, who more like that. :)

[mamont5]

Quote: ALEA IACTA EST

Such a jar blew up the whole A321? I do not believe!

So it does not need to be torn to shreds. It is enough to disrupt the integrity of the skin, and there it will tear it with streams of air.

[Million]

the plane is not a tank, such a can is enough to depressurize

[Sergey333]

the militants and their foreign patrons will try their best to put the work of the investigation and special services of the Russian Federation on a false track.

Watering everyone and it doesn’t matter whether a false trail or a real one - a good thug is a dead thug.

[U-96]

Quote: mamont5

So it does not need to be torn to shreds. It is enough to disrupt the integrity of the skin, and there it will tear it with streams of air.

Yes? so will it break? Expert Detected.

[St Petrov]

judging by how you react, you should not look at the plane with its skin in the context, you can not then fly

the plane falls apart from cracks sometimes in a design, and you still spent about 200 grams. you are apparently firecrackers or as above professional corsairs measure everything

in the picture BB 60 grams

60 grams Carl. there is not that the hole will be in the case, there is just tryndets all over 9000 meters
How can one still argue about this and doubt it?

In addition to explosives, bearings can also be placed in such a jar and the beard of a basmach, which he did

[ANTI.KORR.]

Quote: s-t Petrov

How can one still argue about this and doubt it?

The people blunt, apparently not knowing that the shell explosive device, in addition to splinters, also gives an explosive wave, which, under conditions of external air discharge, will lead to the destruction of the aircraft.

[starec.luka]

it seems to me that a kilogram spent would not blow the plane ... correct if I am mistaken ... but this jar farted and there wouldn’t be anything ... if they put it next to the casing then yes

[Hello]

Quote: starec.luka

it seems to me that a kilogram spent would not blow the plane ... correct if I am mistaken ... but this jar farted and there wouldn’t be anything ... if they put it next to the casing then yes

Not right, maybe it’s not enough on the ground, but at a height there is not much need for the plane to lose control.

[BARKHAN]

A jar of such a volume filled with TNT will "fart", as you put it quite strongly ... By the volume of grams, 650-700 TNT will fit. For comparison, in the F-1 grenade -60g, in the RGD-5-110g ... So that the power even excessive, especially when laying next to the sheathing. It is simply poured, heated in boiling water and poured into a "dish".
It is impossible to lay without airfield personnel.
The light bulbs on the device are most likely a props, the switch simply turns on the timer.
And all these arguments are justified, provided that the explosive device was similar ... In practice, it could be anything.
If the plane tried to climb several times, then the crew fought for a while ... and the ship collapsed later due to huge loads in the area of ​​the hole ...
Eternal memory of the innocently murdered.
The brutal death of the vile killers.

[BYV]

Quote: Barkhan

gram 650-700 TNT fit

Isn't it a bit much?

[BARKHAN]

I apologize, did not pay attention that the 0.33 bank thought 0.5.
Specially interested in 0.33 about 300 gr.
Sorry for the mistake.
In the illustration, to enclose something for proportion, at least the same jar, otherwise the picture says nothing ...

[raid14]

If the picture is true, then on board was a suicide bomber. Although it is possible this is a tricky move to deceive the special services.
Like they wrote in some media about finding a timer in the wreckage?
330 ml jar. depending on the type of explosive C-4, plastid, TNT, RDX, PETN it is from about 400-500 g to a kilogram of TNT equivalent.

[viktor561]

The terrorists also published photos of passports that belonged to passengers on board the aircraft. Currently, experts are figuring out the reliability of these photographic materials, reports Reuters.
More details: http://vm.ru/news/2015/11/18/islamskoe-gosudarstvo-opublikovalo-foto-pronesennoj
-na-bort-a321-bombi-303572.html? from = sm2

[Strezhevchanin]

but then they allegedly changed their minds “in connection with the beginning of the bombing of Syrian territory by Russian aircraft”.
This is just brilliant !!!! It’s like according to Zadornov: To make it even more fun, I went and took a gun, everyone started to run away, and I started to shoot after them so they stopped

[Nikoha.2010]

It is not very important which explosives (terrorists) exploded in the plane. It is important to destroy this evil spirits, and the Egyptian customs officers, or whatever they are, to root out all the "desire" to assist terrorists!

[U-96]

Quote: Nikoha.2010

It is not very important how the explosives (terrorists) made the explosion in the plane.

actually, this is important.

Quote: Nikoha.2010

It is important to destroy this evil

ah, well, these chants have nothing to do with the work of specialists. Nobody, in fact, argues what is needed.

Quote: Nikoha.2010

tear off the root

Duc - "like mad dogs", etc.

[Dr. Bormental]

Krantets Schwepps ....

[U-96]

Quote: Dr. Bormental

Krantets Schwepps ....

always diluted gin with cranberry juice ... He considered the anti-malarial tradition of diluting the Britons with tonic and Diotism.

[Dr. Bormental]

By the way, Schweppes glows under ultraviolet)))

[AdekvatNICK]

and the photo, Coca-Cola rival Schwepps threw

[Proud.]

"... the militants and their foreign patrons will try to do everything to start up the work of the investigation and special services of the Russian Federation on the wrong track ..."

[U-96]

Quote: Be proud.

find everyone!

as usual - there are much more fasting cartoons than those who are looking for

[aba]

I do not believe a single word!

[Vadim237]

I, too, vryatli one kilogram of TNT is enough to significantly tear the fuselage, so that the tail would fall off, 1 kilogram of explosives during the explosion releases energy of 4184000 J and 1000 cubic centimeters of gas, in principle, knowing the strength of the fuselage material, you can calculate the area of ​​the break.

[Mountain shooter]

Who listened carefully, he remembers - the plane fell apart in the air! Explosives - about a kilo in T.E. And the last - explosives - acetone peroxide, similar to that used in Paris. It is distinguished by the absence of traces of nitrogen compounds - dogs do not react like explosives!
The density of this rubbish - 1.2 kg / liter - will not fit into a can of a drink. It was undermined by a timer. The radio device is located in a metal plane, if you do not know exactly where it will be located, the signal may not "reach". When the plane is at high altitude, the signal must be too strong, the transmitter may be detected. The terrorists' favorite cellular communication "will not finish". By the way, this hellish rubbish is not produced by the industry, since it is easily initiated from impact and fire, and is unstable in time. Just put it in a suitcase - how will they drop it when loading? IMHO - a jar is a false and stupid trace. The bookmark was in the tail area, where the joint with the keel. Aircraft technicians. It is unlikely that the cleaners worked on the plane.

[starec.luka]

clearly explained ... good alignment ++++++++++++

[SHOCK.]

Actually, at first they talked about a time bomb, under the seat, in the aircraft cabin. Now they say exactly the opposite. So for now, we have "facts in the galaxy world." Specialists are working, we have to wait.

[GOgaRu]

Most likely poured. If this is true, why didn’t they publish it at the very beginning? Patience they do not differ.
It seems that the broads have some kind of media addiction. Five minutes of glory do not give rest.

[Pindermyak]

Vashcheto evil tongues claim that to crash a Boeing enough to carry on board and shed a kilogram of gallium. And no explosives needed. Firewood from the words of the manufacturers and the insurance company where the dangerous goods declaration was drawn up.

[vitaliy.rnd]

I’ll be brief ... Bullshit.

[Mountain spacecraft]

Why only now? Typically, terrorists immediately determine who, where and why. Or are they first at .... whether the effect, and now come to their senses? What kind of docking it turns out.

[attuda]

How a pyrotechnician can move
the assumption that:
1) for explosive mass in any shell
It could be ... anything:

200 gr.
Plastid can give out explosive mass
up to 1.5 kg of trotilla easily

2) detonator standard ...
Any army can be used
in any world and not the world ...

3) switch / switch
knows what in composition
hrenzna with what is connected hrenzna as ...

Type when turned on
triggering over time
quite like ...
Achob ...
Inet? ... (write)

As a pyrotechnician I warn ...
Be afraid of everything
all bringing ...
And if I run silently ...
Just follow me silently.
Attacks YES!
For peace!

[shalomnet]

Such a can, sealed, filled with plastic explosives - will make a very large hole in the plane !! If you don’t tear it in half.

[1rl141]

Quote: Asadullah

Not a switch, but a switch, that is a contactor. Most likely, an altimeter is glued to it. The device is assembled, the contactor is cocked into a combat position, the altimeter gives a command to the relay of the contactor at a certain height. I doubt that three hundred grams of plasticine is enough to destroy such a board, it is necessary at least three such banks ....

And how does this altimeter determine height? By pressure? In this case, he should be overboard.
An ordinary timer and nothing more. And the current consumption is small and it will fulfill its task. And it may be mechanical.
For an electric detonator, high voltage is not necessary.
Once, an electric detonator exploded in a pocket of my colleague's work jacket. There are detonators with a base like a car light bulb. You can even insert it into a turn signal instead of a light bulb. So he has this detonator in his pocket, all sorts of keys, nuts-bolts and a 1,5v battery, finger-type. And the stars and all the keys, nuts, bolts, battery and detonator had to come together in such a way to complete the circuit and "this dynamite exploded."
The colleague has a short-term fright and a hole in his jacket pocket.
He didn’t carry detonators in his pockets anymore.

[Angryvinny]

I’m interested in this: let’s say the bank broke, for example, the plane was falling apart, but was it really so fast that the pilots didn’t have time to send any signals to the aircraft. If over Donbass they could be struck by fragmentation elements of missiles, then what is there?

[volan]

400 grams of TNT interrupts the rail, and then a kilogram ... And I would not exaggerate the power of S-4 in relation to TNT. Domestic analogue - PVV-4. I think the specialists will agree.

[Mishut37rf]

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- "The militants published a photo in which an explosive device allegedly destroyed the airliner over Sinai" -

Waiting for a photo with the humanoid remains of militants. There is patience.

[Geological prospecting]

A kilogram is not a kilogram, first you need to look at what is left,
The tail plumage is left,
fragmented fuselage to the wings,
and large fragments from wings to nose.
it means that the supporting structure of the airframe between the tail and the wings was destroyed by the explosion, the plane was gaining altitude.
Knowing the power loads on the airframe structure, the necessary external action for destruction can be calculated.
BUT for this you need to have an electronic model from the manufacturer, make a discount on the condition of the aircraft and get the "butterfly effect".
electronic model from the manufacturer - such as commercial secret, but where everything is sold and bought ...
calculation in the simulation program, theoretically most students, almost a rare specialist.
here it’s possible to start arguing about how many explosives were used, although to argue, the analysis of the debris and also the simulation give an idea of ​​the explosion that took place. We’ll wait and show on TV.
originally talked about artisanal explosives
later about industrial explosives
so a large volume of explosives (with a margin) - we can talk about "bearded monkeys with a grenade"
VV exactly as much as necessary - indicative special operation, such as know your place
and judging by the rhetoric and development of events, they faced the second scenario
and the French raked out of the same pot that we
So more "more fun and more fun" events await us

[zabelkin]

Throwing the opponent. With Reuters, it’s clear, strange that the Russian media suffered.

[Balagan]

Igilovtsy decided to tease Russia? Well, well, boys, they still haven’t realized how they got ...

[Wolka]

a mess for suckers, fake, bullshit pushed in, but just not this "miracle of hostile technology" was put on the plane ...

[Vadim237]

Zalyapuha is still the same, especially with 1 kilogram of explosives that destroyed the plane, given that the explosives most likely were in luggage, and not in hand luggage with passengers.

[raid14]

In terms of intelligence, it is advisable to equip all aircraft of foreign flights with explosive gas detectors for checking passengers at the entrance to the cabin and baggage belongings with data output to the cockpit.

[petrakimov]

Hi all!
When installing the jar in close proximity to the longitudinal power structures, undermining the jar will lead to its destruction, provided that there is a screening screen above the jar (board, metal sheet, baggage, etc.) pressed down by the baggage load. Those. the jar was either loaded first and pinned down to intensify the explosion. Movers either knew about the presence and location of the jar, or they were told what and where to put it.
There is an option to place the jar through the technological hatch. Who knows their location, can you think of a topic?
After the explosion, due to the destruction of the power keel, the untwisting movement of the tail part occurs with a break in the skin and the destruction of the power frame. In this case, the sailing effect of the tail is not yet torn off. The plane can spin up (somersault back) and then falls down randomly somersaulting.
The crew, probably, could not react due to departure from seats, a fall and strikes. Are there any belts? And then the effect of weightlessness. In this situation, it is impossible to even jump with a parachute.

The operation is well planned and carried out on a level. This handwriting is not a rebel, but special services. Our strategic bombers are a hint to these special services about their readiness to go all the way to the point of declaring war on the enemy state.

[opus]

Reuters news agency of the IS militants that they originally planned to carry out a terrorist attack aboard a plane of one of the western airlines, but then they allegedly changed their minds “in connection with the beginning of the bombing of Syrian territory by Russian aircraft”.

pinned
coalition "bombing" ISIS for over a year
As of August 7, 2015, more than 10 thousand targets were destroyed, of which 119 tanks, 340 HMMWV light trucks, 2 firing positions, etc. The total cost of the operation by July 577, 31 reached $ 2015 billion.

and no terrorist attacks.
We are 1 month old and a terrorist attack.


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