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"Charles de Gaulle" goes to war again

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The French aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle again sent to the shores of the Middle East to participate in the fight against terrorism. Official Paris a few weeks ago decided to strengthen aviation a group operating in the region with several carrier-based carrier-based aircraft. In addition, in the context of recent events, sending an aircraft carrier to the shores of Syria will be a response to recent terrorist attacks in Paris. It is alleged that Charles de Gaulle will be able to significantly increase the shock potential of the French group in the region.


On November 5, a meeting was held in the Elysée Palace with the participation of French President Francois Hollande, the heads of the military department and other structures. During this event, the military and political leadership of France decided to strengthen the air force in the Middle East by sending the aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle with a group of attack and other aircraft on board. In his speech on the results of the meeting, the French president stated that sending an aircraft carrier would increase the effectiveness of combat work, and also simplify the process of coordination with the allies in the coalition.

Together with the aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle, several other ships were to go to the eastern regions of the Mediterranean, the task of which would be to ensure the combat work of the entire formation and to resolve some other issues. In this case, the core of the ship group was to become exactly the aircraft carrier, whose carrier-based aviation would become the main instrument for the destruction of the positions of terrorists.

"Charles de Gaulle" goes to war again
French Navy aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle


It should be noted that in early November, the French leadership only decided to strengthen its grouping, but did not specify the time frame for sending the naval connection. The exact date of the release of the aircraft carrier at sea became known only on November 16. Speaking in parliament on this day, F. Hollande said that Charles de Gaulle and other ships would leave the port of registry 19 in November. In a few days, the carrier will overcome the path from Toulon to the shores of Syria, where he will begin to perform combat missions.

In his speech, the French president also called the tasks of carrier-based aviation. With its help, it is planned to triple the shock potential of the French group in the Middle East. Now, according to Hollande, this is not about deterring terrorists, but about their total annihilation. France intends to increase efforts to combat terrorists. The main enemy of Paris in Syria is the terrorist organization Islamic State, which recently launched a series of terrorist attacks in France and was banned in several countries, including Russia.

In the absence of any serious problems, the French carrier strike group will arrive at the shores of Syria early next week and, apparently, will immediately engage in combat work. Currently, the region has a relatively small grouping of French aircraft of several types, and the arrival of the aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle will significantly increase its quantitative and qualitative indicators.

It should be recalled that "Charles de Gaulle" has already participated in the fight against the organization "Islamic State". At the beginning of this year, the aircraft carrier ensured the operation of deck aircraft during Operation Shamal for several weeks. For about two months the ship was in the Persian Gulf, and its aviation group conducted reconnaissance flights and delivered strikes against enemy ground targets. At the beginning of the operation, it was noted that the use of an aircraft carrier made it possible to almost halve the time required for the aircraft to arrive at the target area, compared with aircraft based at the Al-Dhafra 104 airfield in the United Arab Emirates.

France joined the fight against the "Islamic State" in September last year. The operation was called "Shamal", in part of one of the Middle Eastern winds. On September 15, the first flight took place, during which two Dassault Rafale fighters conducted reconnaissance of the specified area in Iraqi territory. September 19 steam "Rafale" dealt the first blow to the objects of terrorists in Iraq. In the future, French aviation continued to carry out combat missions for reconnaissance and attack purposes. The combat work of fighter-bombers, based in the UAE, continues to this day.

As of the beginning of November, six Rafale fighter-bombers and the same number of Mirage 2000 aircraft of two modifications were involved in Operation Shamal. In addition, one Dassault Atlantique patrol aircraft, one Boeing E-3 long-range radar detection aircraft and one Boeing C-135FR air tanker are involved.

In mid-February of this year, the aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle arrived in the Persian Gulf, whose aircraft soon began to attack targets in Iraqi territory. The first sorties were made on February 23, and the destruction of targets started two days later. Subsequently, the French carrier-based pilots continued to attack various objects belonging to terrorists. During the first voyage to the shores of Iraq, the strike force of Charles de Gaulle consisted of the 12 Rafale fighter and the 9 Super Étendard attack aircraft.

The combat work of the aircraft carrier and its aircraft continued until the end of April. During this time several hundred sorties were flown. At the same time, the average flight intensity of French aviation was relatively small. Even during the most active operations, Charles de Gaulle provided no more than 10-15 sorties a day. Nevertheless, even at such a pace of work, as well as through the help of airplanes from ground bases, deck aviation managed to solve the tasks set by the command.

At the end of April, the only French aircraft carrier and other ships of the strike formation left the Persian Gulf and began training combat missions in the Indian Ocean. In the future, before the crews of the ships were put some other tasks. As of early November, Charles de Gaulle was in the Mediterranean.


French fighter Dassault Rafale lands on the deck of the US aircraft carrier USS Carl Vinson (CVN 70), 3 in March 2015.


In accordance with the order of French President F. Hollande, the aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle and several other ships must go to the shores of Syria to participate in the fight against the Islamic State. This will be the second trip of the ship to this region as part of Operation Shamal. What the results of the work of the French carrier-based aviation will be is not completely clear, but there is reason to believe that after the recent terrorist attacks in Paris, the commanders and pilots will not stand on ceremony with the enemy and will work with maximum efficiency.

In the sky of Syria, French carrier-based aviation will work together with aviation groups of some other states, including Russia. In addition, interaction between ship groups is planned. In connection with the imminent arrival of the French aircraft carrier 17 on the shores of Syria in November, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered the commander of the Moscow guided missile cruiser, covering the Russian group from the sea, to establish direct contact with the French and work with them as allies.

In addition, V. Putin said that the Russian Minister of Defense and the Chief of General Staff had already received relevant instructions, and now it is planned to develop a plan for joint work at sea and in the air. Thus, it can be expected that the two countries will unite their efforts in the fight against terrorism and will jointly attack various targets, bringing the defeat of the “Islamic State” closer.

According to French press reports, currently on board the ship Charles de Gaulle are 18 fighter-bomber Dassault Rafale and 8 Dassault-Breguet Super Étendard attack aircraft - 26 planes capable of attacking ground targets. In addition, X-NUMX fighter jets Rafale and Mirage 12 are also located at the bases of the region, not counting other types of aviation technology. Thus, in the very near future, 2000 strike aircraft will be present as part of the French air force in the Middle East, which will undoubtedly increase the number of sorties and thereby increase the overall effectiveness of combat work.

It should be noted that the French aviation is not waiting for reinforcements and is already increasing the number of combat sorties. So, already on the last Sunday of November 15, 10 of French aircraft struck terrorists in the city of Rakka, which is a kind of their capital. French aviation dropped two dozen bombs on targets, as a result of which two large objects were destroyed. One of them was a complex with a command post, a training center for militants and an ammunition depot, the second was a training camp.

On November 19, the aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle must leave the home port and go to the eastern Mediterranean, where he will again have to participate in the fight against terrorists. The appearance in the theater of military operations of a ship with 26 strike aircraft and other types of equipment can positively affect the quantitative and qualitative indicators of the combat work of the French aircraft, as well as bring victory over the terrorists. However, in order to make the first full-fledged conclusions about the work of the carrier-based aviation of France, one should wait until the start of the combat missions. Whether the Charles de Gaulle air group justifies its hopes is known in the very near future.


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  1. Santa Fe
    Santa Fe 20 November 2015 06: 18 New
    +1
    They put out the fire with gasoline, stirred up a hornet’s nest - and now they don’t know what to do. A small PR war, colorful pictures of bombs and airplanes resulted in the death of 200 A-321 passengers. Tied to the ears. Day after day, bombs are thrown into the sand, reporting the destruction of thousands of terrorist headquarters. They report on great successes - in a month they singled out 350 square from terrorists. km (0,2% of the territory of Syria). For comparison, the area of ​​Moscow in front of the Moscow Ring Road is 880 square. km

    It is impossible to cope with ISIS using such methods. Yes and Does Russia need to fight ISIS in general ??

    Since the formation of ISIS (spring-summer of 2014), the number of terrorist attacks in Russia has DECREASED. More precisely, they were gone at all. For comparison, in winter 2013-14 years. in one Volgograd there were three powerful explosions, 50 dead. The fact is, before direct intervention, ISIS was not interested in Russia.

    With the advent of ISIS, most scumbags from the North. The Caucasus spilled over to its new homeland. The FSB did not take any measures, on the contrary, according to security officials, it facilitated the departure of those who wanted to. We do not need shahids. They want to build their Sharia paradise - let them build it in another place. What do we care. Get out with a filthy broom.

    In fact, ISIS poses no military threat to developed nations. To prevent terrorist attacks, it is enough to disperse the Arab quarters on the outskirts of Paris, and ISIS there is the tenth case. Muslim shahids and igilas exist independently of each other

    So why should the Russians fight ISIS? They raised a hornet's nest - now expect revenge from them in the form of various dirty tricks.
    1. igorka357
      igorka357 20 November 2015 07: 02 New
      +3
      Greetings! What is the matter with you Oleg ... let's better go to the posts about the fleet! There you are much more interesting!
      1. saturn.mmm
        saturn.mmm 20 November 2015 12: 22 New
        -10
        Quote: igorka357
        What is the matter with you Oleg ... let's better go to the posts about the fleet! There you are much more interesting!

        Are you a breeder?
      2. saturn.mmm
        saturn.mmm 21 November 2015 18: 18 New
        0
        Quote: igorka357
        Greetings! What is the matter with you Oleg ... let's better go to the posts about the fleet! There you are much more interesting!

        On the topic, what can you say?
        The topic of the article "Charles de Gaulle" goes to war again "
        Kaptsov may not be a good person, but we are discussing the article.
        Write an article which Kaptsov is good or bad, and here we will discuss Kaptsov
    2. Kubatai
      Kubatai 20 November 2015 07: 05 New
      +9
      Do you think that Russian planes have other reasons for being in Syria ...
      No, of course, the destruction of ISIS militants is also one of the main ones, but there is some "world gendarme" that has beguiled all the banks, believing that we do not have a combat-ready army ... and you are not quite right with the militants .. they left to gain experience and arrogance, and then would return .. so it is better to let them crush there ...
      1. Per se.
        Per se. 20 November 2015 07: 30 New
        +2
        The Americans, who actually gave birth to ISIS, managed in Iraq, not everything worked out as they wanted ... But, the Anglo-Saxons would not have been Anglo-Saxons, so as not to substitute someone for themselves at the right time. It all started with statements that the fight against ISIS is a common cause. The situation in Syria is not very simple, it cannot be solved by bombing alone, and the whole question is whether Assad’s army will be able to recapture the country. If not, Russia will either have to get involved in a ground operation or leave. Syria is important, important for us, but why did they stir only now, when the country was on the verge of collapse? Time was wasted, Assad needed to be helped much earlier. Why had they obediently listened and performed the whole crap of the West, even stopping the supply of equipment under already concluded contracts? It became the States need to find fighters with ISIS, and we are in business, and after the death of our ship, the operation "Retaliation" was voiced, strategic aviation is also striking. What comes out of everything, a question. As Gorbachev used to say, “who is hu” will soon be seen, both in Syria and finally in Ukraine (which is even more important for us than Syria), or rather, already hostile Dill, because of the time lost, the old Ukraine is no more. If everything succeeds in Syria, well, indeed, a cunning and ingenious plan. About failure, I don’t even want to think ...
        1. igor.borov775
          igor.borov775 20 November 2015 18: 48 New
          +1
          Hi!! What kind of plan are we talking about? There is a war there and it spat on your plans. It's about the most commonplace about survival. They’ll throw the enemy away, then you can think about plans. In 1941, no one was thinking about plans for 43 years near Moscow. Plans will be made when the necessary situation at the front is created. It’s clear that it’s more than one month, it’s clear to the average citizen. By the way, every day all kinds of military planners in Syria constantly take part in battles on Syria. Yes, the VKS helps but no one hid that effect will be instant. He will be, but after some time. And in the war, giving predictions is an ungrateful and inappropriate thing. And what will affect us tomorrow was clear a long time ago The Wick set on fire by the White House Administration got us anyway a little later. Ukraine showed this very clearly how this is happening. There is one change of priority with the replacement of one lady who watched the mockery of Gaddafi and exclaimed WOW. Everything in the east went under its own power, the beholder was no longer interested in affairs there. The war will be difficult but there are already shifts Free Army of Syria her close-knit squad departed for Libya. There probably events will soon be barred in the headlines.
      2. alexej123
        alexej123 20 November 2015 13: 15 New
        +1
        That's right, Paris is an example. The same people wanted to "tolerate" sit aside.
      3. The comment was deleted.
    3. Rurikovich
      Rurikovich 20 November 2015 07: 10 New
      18
      You, Mr. Kaptsov, probably adhere to the principle of "my hut from the edge"?
      People in power, with intelligence, processing a huge amount of information, analyzing a bunch of different possible scenarios, taking into account political, economic, moral, just human principles MUCH BETTER YOU KNOW what is right and what is not !!!
      They would write better articles about armor ...
      And so the first comment and smells so rotten negative
      Personally, my opinion hi
      Russia is doing what it must do!
      1. Serg65
        Serg65 20 November 2015 07: 30 New
        +2
        Quote: Rurikovich
        You, Mr. Kaptsov, probably adhere to the principle of "my hut from the edge"?

        hi Welcome Andrew! Unfortunately, here is no longer "my hut from the edge", Koptsov has already appeared several times in the glorification of the Nazis and terrorists. So I’m thinking ... roofing felts need to be worked out, roofing felts in my head except armor have nothing! That itself is very regrettable, I had a completely different opinion about Oleg what
        1. saturn.mmm
          saturn.mmm 20 November 2015 16: 14 New
          +2
          Quote: Serg65
          Koptsov has already appeared several times in the glorification of the Nazis and terrorists.

          Hello Sergey.
          In the commentary on this article, in what place did Oleg Kaptsov glorify fascist terrorists?
          If there are no opinions different from ours, then there is no background for our opinions, and without a background our opinions look dull and it is difficult to determine how much our opinions matter.
          Quote: Rurikovich
          MUCH BETTER YOU KNOW what is right and what is not !!!

          Some leaders had people with intelligence, processing a huge amount of information, analyzing a bunch of different possible scenarios, taking into account political, economic, moral, just human principles, but I'm sure they were wrong.
    4. GRAY
      GRAY 20 November 2015 07: 19 New
      15
      Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
      So why should the Russians fight ISIS? They raised a hornet's nest - now expect revenge from them in the form of various dirty tricks.

      Your logic touches me.
      If you suddenly saw that the gopniks, in the gateway, were robbing someone - do not try to stop them, otherwise you will get them in the face.
      The position of a coward and a bastard.
      1. saturn.mmm
        saturn.mmm 20 November 2015 16: 27 New
        +1
        Quote: GRAY
        The position of a coward and a bastard.

        The civil war in Syria allied with us has been going on since 2011, would it be more logical to put out the fire at the initial stage, or did Uncle Sam not allow it then?

        The person who wrote such a comment as Kaptsov on this site is hardly a coward and the bastard is a subjective concept.
    5. Serg65
      Serg65 20 November 2015 07: 20 New
      +8
      Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
      A small PR war, colorful pictures of bombs and airplanes resulted in the death of 200 A-321 passengers. Tied to the ears.

      Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
      ISIS poses no military threat to developed nations

      Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
      They raised a hornet's nest - now expect revenge from them in the form of various dirty tricks.

      Oleg, I have two questions; first ... are you the official representative of ISIS in Russia? Second ... Oleg, why don't you love Russia so much?
      Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
      Since the formation of ISIS (spring-summer of 2014), the number of terrorist attacks in Russia has DECREASED. More precisely, they were gone at all.

      Those. Oleg, the information that the FSB in the regions of Dagestan, Chechnya, Tatarstan destroys terrorists and their accomplices, you completely do not trust and consider it a fiction of the "bloody GEBni"? It turns out in your opinion that all the radicals simultaneously changed their minds to build the Great Caliphate in Russia ???
      Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
      For comparison, in winter 2013-14 years. in one Volgograd there were three powerful explosions, 50 dead. The fact is, before direct intervention, ISIS was not interested in Russia.

      And here I somehow did not understand! Either Russia began to intervene already in the 2013 year, or is it an indicator that if Russia had not intervened, there would have been plus or minus three terrorist attacks a year and the death toll did not exceed the 50 victims, which, in your opinion, is a trifle ?!
      All the same, Oleg, as it is unpleasant for me, but I come to the conclusion that "..and you, my friend, are a political prostitute" V.I. Lenin.
    6. GOgaRu
      GOgaRu 20 November 2015 07: 50 New
      +3
      Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
      Since the foundation of ISIS (spring-summer 2014)

      And Wikipedia says October 2006?
      1. Serg65
        Serg65 20 November 2015 08: 09 New
        +6
        Quote: GOgaRu
        And Wikipedia says October 2006?

        Have you decided to argue with Koptsov? Don't even try wassat
    7. sevtrash
      sevtrash 20 November 2015 10: 47 New
      -7
      State policy includes playing with different figures to achieve some goal. ISIS for the Russian military company was only a marker, only a designated goal, but in reality, great efforts were invested in attacks on the "moderate" opposition. Which is perfectly reasonable, since it was they who squeezed Assad.
      The destruction of ISIS is not necessary for many for various reasons. ISIS is needed by countries opposing Iran - and this is almost all the countries of that region and half the world in addition. And Russia, too, is like a vacuum cleaner for radicals, a hotbed of instability with the influence of oil prices, Iran’s containment too, no friends, only temporary allies.
      Of course, they got in for a reason to show their need for Western countries, sanctions nevertheless. Some kind of result can and will be. So far, only one is obvious - they showed that the army is alive and something can. And, indeed, ran into an answer. And, something, ground-based successes look pale. Where, interestingly, the guardian corps of the Islamic revolution.
    8. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 20 November 2015 15: 50 New
      +1
      Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
      They report great successes - in a month 350 square meters were singled out from terrorists. km (0,2% of the territory of Syria). For comparison, the area of ​​Moscow in front of the MKAD is 880 square meters. km

      Hehehehe ... if you use the same technique, you can talk about US minor successes in WWII in the Pacific in 1944-1945 - After all, the area of ​​the atolls and territories on the islands that came under their control was immeasurably smaller than the area of ​​the ocean itself and the island jungle, which they were not formally controlled. smile
      Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
      Since the formation of ISIS (spring-summer of 2014), the number of terrorist attacks in Russia has DECREASED. More precisely, they were gone at all.

      Yeah ... but almost every week there were operational shootings about the next local CTO in the North Caucasus.
    9. Dart2027
      Dart2027 20 November 2015 18: 09 New
      0
      Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
      So why should Russians fight ISIS

      Because you still have to fight.
    10. Dam
      Dam 20 November 2015 19: 18 New
      +1
      Admiral Kapets, yes you took off the mask! Your comment does not require opposition and explanation. You are not so stupid not to understand that you are carrying heresy. So I was right, suspecting your corruption in previously posted articles
    11. fyvaprold
      fyvaprold 21 November 2015 17: 55 New
      +2
      Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
      Since the formation of ISIS (spring-summer of 2014), the number of terrorist attacks in Russia has DECREASED.

      Did Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi allocate money for the construction of the "heavily armored mega-super-missile carrier" Nepobedimets "" allocated? Maybe the absence of terrorist attacks is the result of the work of the NAC and the FSB, and not the "appearance of ISIS"? It would be better if you continued to amuse the audience with your articles on Amer’s breakthrough successes and the “admiral conspiracy” to “ban armor” in the fleets of the countries of the world, rather than climb “with a pig’s snout into the ranks of elite”, this is not your topic. negative
      Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
      So why should the Russians fight ISIS? They raised a hornet's nest - now expect revenge from them in the form of various dirty tricks.

      Ask at your leisure about "Vilayat Kavkaz", it may clear up in your head.
    12. Ustinov 055 055
      Ustinov 055 055 24 March 2016 11: 02 New
      0
      Yeah, yes you’re my friend TRUS, talked up. They must be crushed everywhere in the world, otherwise tomorrow they will force you to wear a beard, although they do not seem to take you circumcised
    13. Ustinov 055 055
      Ustinov 055 055 24 March 2016 11: 02 New
      0
      Yeah, yes you’re my friend TRUS, talked up. They must be crushed everywhere in the world, otherwise tomorrow they will force you to wear a beard, although they do not seem to take you circumcised
  2. Linkor9s21
    Linkor9s21 20 November 2015 06: 29 New
    -2
    Russia urgently needs a second aircraft carrier that wipes the nose of the entire Western, let's admit that Admiral Kuznetsov is small compared to the German-class aircraft carriers of which 11 are in service with the United States.
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 20 November 2015 08: 26 New
      0
      Quote: Linkor9s21
      let's admit that Admiral Kuznetsov is small compared to the German-class aircraft carriers of which 11 are in service with the United States.

      Aircraft carrier "Nimitz"
      Length: 333 m
      Width of flight deck: 76,8-78,4 m
      Displacement: 98 tons, maximum 235 tons when fully loaded
      Speed: 30 knots (about 56 km / h)
      Power plant: two A4W reactors, four shafts
      Aviation: a maximum of 90 units, including 64 aircraft (including 48 attack and 16 support aircraft) and 26 deck-based helicopters
      Crew: 3200 crew + 2480 air wing
      Service life: more than 50 years
      Operating life of reactors without replacement of energy: about 20 years.

      Heavy aircraft cruiser Admiral Kuznetsov

      Dimensions
      Length - 305,0 m
      The length of the waterline is 270 meters
      The greatest width - 72 meters
      Waterline Width - 35,0 m
      Draft - 10,0 m
      Standard displacement - 43 thousand tons
      Total displacement - 55 thousand tons
      Maximum displacement - 58,6 thousand tons

      Power plant
      Steam turbines - 4 × 50 thousand horsepower
      Number of boilers - 8
      Number of screws - 4
      Turbo Generator Power - 9 × 1500 Kilowatts
      Maximum Speed ​​- 29 Knots
      Cruising range at maximum speed - 3850 miles at a speed of 29 knots
      Economic speed - 18 knots
      Maximum cruising range - 8000 miles at a speed of 18 knots
      Autonomy - 45 days

      weaponry
      As of 2014, 17 helicopters and 20 aircraft are located in the air wing:

      14 carrier-based Su-33 fighters (and another 7 Su-33 are in storage)
      2 carrier-based fighter MiG-29K
      2 deck-based combat training fighter MiG-29KUB
      2 training aircraft Su-25UTG
      15 multipurpose naval helicopters Ka-27 / Ka-27PS
      2 helicopter radar patrol Ka-31

      In addition, the cruiser is armed with:
      12 × SCRC 4K80 Granite
      24 × PU Dagger (192 missiles)
      8 × ZRAK 3М87 "Dagger" (256 rockets)
      2 × RBU-12000 "Boa constrictor" (60 depth charges)
      6 × AK-630

      Crew
      Crew - 1960 man
      Air personnel - 626 people
      The command staff - 55 people
      1. kugelblitz
        kugelblitz 20 November 2015 09: 06 New
        10
        Well, the American is still a clean floating airfield, and ours is TAKR anyway. For the air group is small, but it is armed to the teeth with anti-ship and anti-aircraft missiles. For me, such completely different classes of ships, and in general the second type is really more important for our fleet.
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 20 November 2015 15: 57 New
          +5
          Quote: kugelblitz
          Well, the American is still a clean floating airfield, and ours is TAKR anyway. For the air group is small, but it is armed to the teeth with anti-ship and anti-aircraft missiles.

          Only mines remained from the Kyrgyz Republic at Kuznetsovo. Yes, and air defense systems on it - short-range. By the way, Nimitz also has PU SP Sparrow air defense systems.

          The worst thing is that the Yankees have their own AWACS cars. And at 1143.5 they are not and never will be. So it remains either to rely on the few coastal A-50 VKS, for which there are a bunch of other tasks, or to try to search for targets using fighter radar.
          1. Bayonet
            Bayonet 20 November 2015 17: 28 New
            +1
            Quote: Alexey RA
            . By the way, Nimitz also has PU SP Sparrow air defense systems.

            The armament of the Nimitz aircraft carrier: three Sea Sparrow anti-aircraft missile systems and four 20-millimeter anti-aircraft artillery systems Vulkan-Falanks. Airborne armament is designed to provide protection for the ship, mainly from an air opponent, breaking through the long and middle lines of the air defense of an aircraft carrier strike group. Two three-pipe 324 mm torpedo tubes are used to combat torpedoes guided along the wake trail.
            1. Alexey RA
              Alexey RA 20 November 2015 18: 09 New
              +1
              Quote: Bayonet
              The armament of the Nimitz aircraft carrier: three Sea Sparrow anti-aircraft missile systems and four 20-millimeter anti-aircraft artillery systems Vulkan-Falanks. Airborne armament is designed to provide protection for the ship, mainly from an air opponent, breaking through the long and middle lines of the air defense of an aircraft carrier strike group.

              At 1143.5 are the “Daggers” and ZRAK / ZAK, having similar tasks.
              Quote: Bayonet
              Two three-pipe 324 mm torpedo tubes are used to combat torpedoes guided along the wake trail.

              We are doing the same thing "Boas".

              In the bottom line - in terms of airborne armament, the defenses of Kuzya and Nymets are similar. In terms of strike weapons ... it would be better if the designers exchanged the Granites for catapults and a more capacious hangar (for the same "ensuring air defense of the KPUG" a couple of extra links of fighter jets and the ability to take off at any wind speed / direction is much more useful).
              However, who would let them do this then - and so had to encrypt 1143.5 as "the second building of the project 1143.4" (that is, the "second" Baku ").
              1. Bayonet
                Bayonet 20 November 2015 19: 54 New
                0
                Quote: Alexey RA
                At 1143.5 are the “Daggers” and ZRAK / ZAK, having similar tasks.

                Quote: Alexey RA
                At 1143.5 are the “Daggers” and ZRAK / ZAK, having similar tasks.

                Well, fine ! good
                1. atalef
                  atalef 20 November 2015 23: 39 New
                  0
                  In general, the question is essentially
                  Where can a Russian aircraft carrier be based, if created?
                  1. Boa kaa
                    Boa kaa 21 November 2015 10: 23 New
                    +3
                    Quote: atalef
                    Where can a Russian aircraft carrier be based, if created?

                    For KSF - Ura-lip in the summer, Latakia - in the winter.
                    For the Pacific Fleet? - so there even pineapples ripen !!! You can also winter there. And places for basing - choose! -- I do not want. One trouble is the infrastructure under it needs to be built both on the Northern Fleet and on the Pacific Fleet. And these are huge BILLIONS of blood ...
                    So, with the construction of domestic AVU will have to wait until better times, however.
                  2. Alexey RA
                    Alexey RA 21 November 2015 14: 19 New
                    +1
                    Quote: atalef
                    Where can a Russian aircraft carrier be based, if created?

                    Probably in the same place where 5 Soviet TAVKRs were based before. smile

                    They simply acted with the “kuzey” - they immediately ordered it to ... the 35th shipyard. smile
            2. Bayonet
              Bayonet 20 November 2015 20: 03 New
              0
              Quote: Bayonet
              Armament of the aircraft carrier "Nimitz"

              That’s about the minus, what is the invisible critic dissatisfied with - weak weapons, strong weapons, or is he needed at all? So be so kind as to clarify the reason for your discontent. smile
          2. Boa kaa
            Boa kaa 21 November 2015 10: 13 New
            +1
            Quote: Alexey RA
            the Yankees have their own AWACS cars. But on 1143.5 they are not and never will be.

            But what, to put on the deck a pair of KA-31 - not fate ???
            I hung it for a couple of hours at 200-250km from TAKR at an altitude of 3,5km and see for yourself in the decimeter range what the Eye broadcasts to you on the digital line ...
            China bought - 9ed (he needs to! - he was going to compete with the Yankees!) And we have (already!) 2 boards ... Apparently, this is why our Kuznetsov is so "short-sighted" in sight. The “disease” from naval commanders was probably transmitted
            1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
              Andrei from Chelyabinsk 21 November 2015 11: 30 New
              +3
              Quote: BoA KAA
              I hung it for a couple of hours for 200-250km from TAKR at an altitude of 3,5km

              I guess for an hour at most. It has 680 km of normal range, and 220 km of cruising speed, i.e. somewhere 3 hours in the air. Until the turn of the 200-250 it’s an hour there, then an hour back ... Then - we still don’t have any radio intelligence aircraft. But what about the Americans? They have Groler in air patrols with Hokai, and it is he who conducts reconnaissance in passive mode, and the AWACS is cut when something needs to be clarified. So they will copy Ka with its cut radar from a distant far away, and they will demolish it. You can, of course, hang him in the cover of Su-33, but it won’t be of much use - the Ka-31 is not a flying aviation control center, it does not know how to command the actions of the Su-33, so there isn’t much difference between the pair Su-33 und Ka-33 seems like it will not.
              Right now, however, they have gagged some tricky modification of the Ka-31 ... Maybe this will change something.
            2. Alexey RA
              Alexey RA 21 November 2015 14: 28 New
              0
              Quote: BoA KAA
              But what, to put on the deck a pair of KA-31 - not fate ???

              Only as a palliative. For the patrol range, patrol time, the number of escorted targets, the number of Ka-31 operators is incomparable with the Hokai.
              Quote: BoA KAA
              I hung it for a couple of hours at 200-250km from TAKR at an altitude of 3,5km and see for yourself in the decimeter range what the Eye broadcasts to you on the digital line ...

              3,5 km is a static ceiling of the car. I doubt that he will be able to hold out on it for 3 hours when flying at cruising speed.

              In addition, 4 Hokai aboard American ABs provide 24/7 patrolling even at 75% of the aircraft’s flight readiness.
      2. Bayonet
        Bayonet 20 November 2015 17: 23 New
        +8
        Quote: Bayonet
        Aircraft carrier "Nimitz"

        Quote: Bayonet
        Heavy aircraft cruiser Admiral Kuznetsov

        Ay celestials! You who sculpt cons, "Nimitsu", "Kuznetsov" or me? If the performance characteristics are not satisfied, then all claims to the designers, I did not build them! laughing
      3. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 21 November 2015 09: 49 New
        +2
        Quote: Bayonet
        Power plant: two reactors A4W, four mines(??)
        ??? Nimitz class nuclear carriers: technical specifications. Reference. A source: RIA News!!! - what can I say, * a reliable source *, not bothering with "Technical excesses" - hence MINES (miners, damn it!)
        WIKI: "2 Nuclear Reactor A4W Westinghouse, 4 Steam Turbines
        4 diesel engine; 4 propulsion (constant pitch screws). "
        RIA News: Operating life of reactors without replacement of energy: about 20 years.
        WIKI: Operating time of reactors without core replacement: about 25 years. To date, the core has been replaced at the reactors of the Nimitz aircraft carriers (1998 — 2001), Dwight Eisenhower (2001 — 2005), Karl Vinson (2005 — 2009) and Theodore Roosevelt (2009 — 2013).
        And just look at WIKI. Data on 3.10.2015 And before you print your page, the editorial staff checks them, consults with specialists / experts, periodically corrects the material ... Therefore yes- "mines" there - no.
        1. Bayonet
          Bayonet 21 November 2015 12: 06 New
          0
          Quote: BoA KAA
          . Therefore, there are no "mines" there.

          No coal is being digged in this mine! smile
          Nuclear reactor mine is a cavity in a concrete mass or in a tank of iron-water protection, in which a nuclear reactor and equipment providing biological protection, reliable fastening of the reactor and thermal insulation of its surface are installed. hi
    2. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 20 November 2015 08: 53 New
      +3
      Quote: Linkor9s21
      Russia urgently needs a second aircraft carrier that wipes the nose of the entire Western, let's admit that Admiral Kuznetsov is small compared to the German-class aircraft carriers of which 11 are in service with the United States.
      To design and build from 0, an aircraft carrier needs about 10 years. With stable funding winked
      1. atalef
        atalef 20 November 2015 23: 37 New
        0
        Quote: Stirbjorn
        Quote: Linkor9s21
        Russia urgently needs a second aircraft carrier that wipes the nose of the entire Western, let's admit that Admiral Kuznetsov is small compared to the German-class aircraft carriers of which 11 are in service with the United States.
        To design and build from 0, an aircraft carrier needs about 10 years. With stable funding winked

        10 ? You joked belay
      2. Bayonet
        Bayonet 21 November 2015 12: 10 New
        0
        Quote: Stirbjorn
        To design and build from 0, an aircraft carrier must be 10 years old.

        10 years are needed in order to build the Ivan Gren BDK! Well, or manenko longer wink
    3. maximghost
      maximghost 20 November 2015 13: 03 New
      +2
      Easier and more efficient is 1 more airbase. But Kuznetsov, firstly not an aircraft carrier, and secondly, was not built to bombard the poits.
    4. atalef
      atalef 20 November 2015 23: 33 New
      +1
      Quote: Linkor9s21
      Russia urgently needs a second aircraft carrier that wipes the nose of the entire Western, let's admit that Admiral Kuznetsov is small compared to the German-class aircraft carriers of which 11 are in service with the United States.

      what is your interesting arithmetic laughing belay
  3. GOgaRu
    GOgaRu 20 November 2015 07: 54 New
    -17
    To a big ship - a big torpedo! If we don’t have UDC, let the French have no aircraft carriers.
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 20 November 2015 08: 06 New
      23
      Quote: GOgaRu
      ! If we don’t have UDC, let the French have no aircraft carriers.
      1. GOgaRu
        GOgaRu 20 November 2015 09: 03 New
        -6
        Nietzsche noted: “Since there is not enough time for thinking and calmness in thinking, now they no longer discuss dissenting opinions, but are satisfied that they hate them. With the monstrous acceleration of life, the spirit and gaze are accustomed to incomplete or false contemplation and judgment, and each person is like a traveler studying the country and people from the window of a railway carriage. ”
        Do you distribute the pictures or do it yourself?
        1. AUL
          AUL 20 November 2015 09: 56 New
          +4
          Great medal! With the permission of the Bayonet, I will "reward" the most worthy. Bayonet, do you mind?
          1. saturn.mmm
            saturn.mmm 20 November 2015 15: 30 New
            0
            Quote: AUL
            With the permission of the Bayonet, I will "reward" the most worthy.

            Do you have an award or an award?
            The bayonet decides and you reward?
            1. Bayonet
              Bayonet 20 November 2015 17: 10 New
              0
              Quote: saturn.mmm
              The bayonet decides and you reward?

              The bayonet does not solve. What excites you? Something infringed? smile
          2. Bayonet
            Bayonet 20 November 2015 16: 37 New
            0
            Quote: AUL
            Bayonet, do you mind?

            You are welcome ! hi
        2. saturn.mmm
          saturn.mmm 20 November 2015 15: 26 New
          0
          Quote: GOgaRu
          Nietzsche remarked:

          Quote: GOgaRu
          “Since there is not enough time for thinking and calm in thinking, now they no longer discuss dissenting opinions, but are satisfied that they hate them

          Relevant now on the Nietzsche forum.
          Interestingly, NATO does not allow its member of the circle, the French, to its airfields, or do you need to show that the French have a large ship, the destroyer of rebellious colonies?
          1. Bayonet
            Bayonet 20 November 2015 17: 52 New
            0
            Quote: saturn.mmm
            Relevant now on the Nietzsche forum.

            By the way, Adolf Aloizovich respected him very much. J. Fest in Adolf Hitler writes that Hitler literally did not part with Nietzsche’s works and could quote large excerpts from his works.
            1. saturn.mmm
              saturn.mmm 20 November 2015 18: 45 New
              +2
              Quote: Bayonet
              By the way, Adolf Aloizovich respected him very much. J. Fest in Adolf Hitler writes that Hitler literally did not part with Nietzsche’s works and could quote large excerpts from his works.

              Nietzsche had a sister who had several anti-Semitic views, on this basis Friedrich had a discord with his sister, after Friedrich's death, his sister was the manager of his work, in 1930, 30 years after the death of his brother, Elizabeth met Hitler and instilled interest in Hitler the works of Frederick. During the life of Nietzsche, the “Will to Power” was not published, so it’s difficult to attribute fascism to Nietzsche.

              Hitler was not familiar with Frederick, whether or not he respected it somehow is difficult to relate in my opinion.
              1. Bayonet
                Bayonet 20 November 2015 19: 57 New
                +1
                Quote: saturn.mmm
                Hitler was not familiar with Frederick, whether or not he respected it somehow is difficult to relate in my opinion.

                And what is there to guess, not a little has been written about this.
                1. saturn.mmm
                  saturn.mmm 20 November 2015 22: 29 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Bayonet
                  And what is there to guess, not a little has been written about this.

                  On our forum, they just don’t write, the only question is how many are true in all of this.

                  Scribble a lot and many of them are paid.
                  1. Bayonet
                    Bayonet 21 November 2015 12: 41 New
                    +1
                    Quote: saturn.mmm
                    We have on the forum that just do not write

                    I did not mean our forum. Quite a lot has been written about the influence of Nietzsche’s philosophy on Hitler. hi
        3. Bayonet
          Bayonet 20 November 2015 17: 40 New
          -1
          Quote: GOgaRu
          Do you distribute the pictures or do it yourself?

          Pictures are full on the Internet. And it seems to you that Charlie Hebdo laurels do not give rest - do you drown the aircraft carriers?
        4. Dam
          Dam 20 November 2015 19: 24 New
          0
          Do you quote a person who ended his life drinking his own urine from his own shoe?
          1. saturn.mmm
            saturn.mmm 20 November 2015 22: 30 New
            -1
            Quote: Damm
            Do you quote a person who ended his life drinking his own urine from his own shoe?

            You probably served this boot?
      2. GOgaRu
        GOgaRu 20 November 2015 09: 54 New
        -6
        Is this a photo of the medal that was handed to you? laughing In my opinion there is nothing to be proud of.
        1. AUL
          AUL 20 November 2015 11: 44 New
          +2
          GOgaRu, to strangers it is customary to contact you. "Mom in childhood did not introduce you to this doctrine?" (C)
          On this site rudeness is not welcome!
          1. GOgaRu
            GOgaRu 20 November 2015 14: 04 New
            0
            Quote: AUL
            On this site rudeness is not welcome!

            Open your eyes, in the comments it is at every step, it is encouraged here. You seem to have a head on one’s head if the appeal to you is rudeness for you, and where a stranger is called an idiot, this is normal. Small and stupid, you.
          2. GOgaRu
            GOgaRu 20 November 2015 16: 25 New
            0
            On this site rudeness is not welcome!

            Very welcome.
        2. Bayonet
          Bayonet 20 November 2015 17: 11 New
          0
          Quote: GOgaRu
          Is this a photo of the medal that was handed to you?

          Monologue by the mirror ... smile
      3. Lord_Sita
        Lord_Sita 21 November 2015 23: 55 New
        0
        Why did you get such a medal?
    2. da n ya 1914
      da n ya 1914 20 November 2015 16: 26 New
      -2
      GOgaRu just do the Frenchman our allies, not enemies.
      1. zeleznijdorojnik
        zeleznijdorojnik 20 November 2015 16: 34 New
        +3
        What the hell canine allies? The Syrians clearly stated that all who do not agree with the ATS intervention in the conflict are enemies. And it is right. As for the allies, Alexander the Third also said that we have only two of them - the army and navy!
      2. GOgaRu
        GOgaRu 20 November 2015 16: 35 New
        +2
        GOgaRu just do the Frenchman our allies, not enemies.

        Yeah. Especially Mistral, Charlie and sanctions.
      3. saturn.mmm
        saturn.mmm 20 November 2015 16: 37 New
        +5
        Quote: da n ya 1914
        GOgaRu just do the Frenchman our allies, not enemies.

        I don’t know Russian well, and didn’t quite understand what you wrote in your comment, but I dare to suggest that you consider the French to be our allies.

        France imposed sanctions against Russia without a UN mandate, France broke off the Mistral contract, France supports illegal authorities in Ukraine.
        Allies do not behave this way.
      4. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 21 November 2015 10: 37 New
        +2
        Quote: da n ya 1914
        just the Frenchman, our allies, not enemies.
        And what, the union agreement with them on mutual assistance has already been signed?
        Well, then ... just like a "muse" -tolerant - an "ally", and that's all! laughing
  4. Bayonet
    Bayonet 20 November 2015 08: 05 New
    0
    "Paris a few weeks ago decided to strengthen the aviation group operating in the region with several carrier-based carrier-based aircraft."
    No need to dissemble dear author - "Several aircraft" smile
    Charles de Gaulle aircraft carrier fleet includes up to 40 aircraft of the following types:

    carrier based fighter: Rafale M
    modified for deck takeoff and landing attack aircraft: Super Étendard
    Aircraft AWACS: Grumman E-2 Hawkeye
    Helicopters: SA-365
    Maximum capacity - up to 100 aircraft for up to 7 days. Starts can be made every 30 s.
    1. Santa Fe
      Santa Fe 20 November 2015 08: 54 New
      +3
      Quote: Bayonet
      Maximum capacity - up to 100 aircraft for up to 7 days

      why not xnumx?
      1. saturn.mmm
        saturn.mmm 20 November 2015 16: 41 New
        +5
        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
        why not xnumx?

        Americans do not allow 200 because it will be more than on their Nimits, but in general if you attach to the bottom then 350 can be accommodated.
      2. Bayonet
        Bayonet 21 November 2015 12: 43 New
        0
        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
        why not xnumx?

        Therefore, why not 200! And if it’s not clear, ask the French designers! hi
        1. saturn.mmm
          saturn.mmm 23 November 2015 09: 53 New
          +1
          Quote: Bayonet
          And if it’s not clear, ask the French designers!

          This is Wikipedia points. He will be able to place and transport 100 planes from point A to point B, but this is real as transport.
          The composition of the air group: yes 40 aircraft - fighter-bombers Rafale-M, Super Etendard, 3 aircraft AWACS E-2C Hawkeye, search and rescue helicopters Panther
  5. Wolka
    Wolka 20 November 2015 08: 34 New
    0
    it seems to me no benefit from this French trough, only they will shackle us ...
    1. hohryakov066
      hohryakov066 20 November 2015 08: 59 New
      +2
      The benefit here is more likely not material, but purely propaganda. For the faithful Tolerasts, this is the same Pendel.
      1. saturn.mmm
        saturn.mmm 20 November 2015 22: 43 New
        0
        Quote: hohryakov066
        The benefit here is more likely not material, but purely propaganda.

        Type of custodians recognize us?
        I sympathize with Kutuzov, he has preserved so many Russians.
        What would the Russian leadership take to a European club that it’s not enough to bend, do you even have to lie down?
        Who was asked, which UN cf .. some frogs when they put things in order in their colony, in Mali?
        In Syria there are no interests of frogmen, Boschs or Yankees. Is this historically a zone of interests of Russia, so what?
        It is not indolent to stomp on it, each with its own interests, and the Russian leadership only:
        - Welcome.
    2. GOgaRu
      GOgaRu 20 November 2015 09: 12 New
      0
      Quote: Volka
      it seems to me no benefit from this French trough, only they will shackle us ...

      Who is "us" and "fettered" in what?
    3. Bayonet
      Bayonet 20 November 2015 09: 29 New
      0
      Quote: Volka
      it seems to me no benefit from this French trough, only they will shackle us ...

      Well, yes, they don’t know how to fly, but is their "trough" generally wooden? Worthy of a patriot! soldier
  6. amba balamut 77
    amba balamut 77 20 November 2015 09: 39 New
    +2
    Quote: Bayonet
    Quote: Volka
    it seems to me no benefit from this French trough, only they will shackle us ...

    Well, yes, they don’t know how to fly, but is their "trough" generally wooden? Worthy of a patriot! soldier

    Sorry, I don’t know much about electronic warfare, but if we work together, what about the interference canopy over the Syrian coast. The presence of a NATO ship connection will affect the operations of the REB troops, because it is not convenient to jam allies. If anyone can, explain.
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 20 November 2015 10: 27 New
      0
      Quote: amba balamut 77

      Sorry, I don’t know much about electronic warfare, but if we work together, what about the interference canopy over the Syrian coast.

      The "dome" of clutter is just words. smile For example, the same "Kraukha-4" has a range of up to 300 kilometers, it allows you to detect an aircraft, make capture and tracking, and, if necessary, interfere. If we act together with the French, why stop them? hi
  7. Belousov
    Belousov 20 November 2015 09: 40 New
    +3
    Well, let's see of course what this unit is and what real benefits it will be in Syria. The main thing is to really deal with the matter, and not the next power plants and hospitals bombed.
  8. red_october
    red_october 20 November 2015 10: 32 New
    +5
    In fact, we are from three dozen French aircraft in Syria neither cold nor hot.
    The performance of the ISIS coalition is also a topic for jokes.

    Another thing is important: the Darkest ordered the commander of the Moscow State Sports Complex to interact with the French as allies.

    The French themselves, like the Americans, the Australians in their actions in Syria are illegitimate - this time. Covering our cruiser with a French aircraft carrier off the coast of Syria also makes no military sense - against whom will the air carrier’s air defense and anti-submarine defense be carried out? Well, maybe except as it should be, an aircraft carrier should always be under the guise of other ships. Okay. But the Frenchman has his own retinue - a Belgian frigate, a British destroyer (...)

    So the meaning of cooperation with the French is clearly not military, namely: to force NATO countries to integrate into the wake of our Middle East policy.

    By the way, the United States, as specialists in "prikazivaniya" to other people's victories, can here attach your aircraft carrier "Harry Truman", like, we also participated. Yeah. And years through 30 will tell
    in schools that only they defeated ISIS
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  10. red_october
    red_october 20 November 2015 10: 49 New
    +8
    In fact, the aircraft carrier has a very mixed and scandalous biography.

    It is useful to read to those who like to criticize our "Kuznetsov".

    So, in the first long trip, "Charles" went immediately after launching. This trip was a visit to the US Navy base in Norfolk. And to see strangers, and to show their own.
    De Gaulle did not swim to Norfolk. During the training maneuvers, the blade of one of the screws fell off from the aircraft carrier. Naturally, the aircraft carrier "hastened" (because it could only move at a speed of 3 knots) to Toulon to conduct an investigation.
    In Toulon it turned out a curious thing - the accident happened due to poor-quality manufacturing of screws. The company that designed and manufactured them, Atlantic Industries, had to be tried. However, when they were about to file a lawsuit, it turned out that the company had disappeared somewhere along with money and documentation. Such are the enterprising shipbuilders.
    You yourself understand that without documentation it was a long and expensive business to make screws, therefore, as a temporary measure, we decided to attach a screw to a decommissioned Clemenceau type aircraft carrier to Charles. The measure was not entirely successful - when driving at full speed in the rear of the hull there was such a terrible vibration that it was impossible for the crew to be there.
    Repair was carried out with grief in half, and in 2001, De Gaulle set off for the Arabian Sea to participate in Operation Enduring Freedom. During the operation "Super Etendar" from the air group made about 200 sorties and attacked the positions of militants. Everything would be fine, but during this trip, a reactor accident occurred, and some crew members received strong radiation doses. As a result, Charles went to the home port, Toulon, for repairs.
    The aircraft carrier stood in the dock for repair already in the 3 year, and only in the 2005 year did it take part in the exercises, after which it again retreated to the base, as the reactor was about to renew.
    De Gaulle left the dock at sea only in the 2008 year. After 3 months, he again failed, there was a breakdown of electronic equipment.
    It was possible to exit the dock after the next repair only in 2010. They left, came back, a day after the start of the campaign, all electronic equipment refused, as a result of which Charles had to be dragged to Toulon almost by tugboats.
    This time the repair lasted only 2 weeks, after which the ship again went to sea.
    In 2011, the aircraft carrier participated in securing the UN Security Council resolution numbered 1773, striking Libya. In total, aircraft from the air group made about 300 sorties.
    In the 2013 year, "Charles" got up for scheduled repairs in Toulon. In the same year, the repair was completed.
    At the moment, the ship is striving at full steam to the coast of Syria.


    In the photo: "Charles de Gaulle" in the repair process
    1. Urals
      Urals 20 November 2015 11: 00 New
      +4
      She doesn’t want a ship with that name to do nasty tasks, and it breaks down :) Let them rename them Hollande and sail. Well, or hands from any place the French grow wassat
      1. da n ya 1914
        da n ya 1914 20 November 2015 16: 32 New
        0
        Carrier Charles De Gaulle is in the TOP 10 most unreliable weapons.
      2. zeleznijdorojnik
        zeleznijdorojnik 20 November 2015 16: 37 New
        0
        Well, it’ll float straight — let’s say frankly — it just won’t sink like in an ice hole. But the ship is beautiful
      3. Bayonet
        Bayonet 21 November 2015 12: 46 New
        0
        Quote: Cis Ural
        Doesn’t want a ship with that name to do nasty tasks,

        Ural region believes that bombing ISIS is an ugly task? smile
    2. mvg
      mvg 20 November 2015 12: 21 New
      0
      You, by chance, did not take this information in an article by Oleg Kaptsov. He published on a couple of sites, just on this topic.
      If "YES", then a refutation will be issued in the next issue wink So not everything is so simple. Frogs are not bad shipbuilders .. There is, however, they have one minus: The desire to cram unshackled .. Just like the motto of a logistics company transport.
      1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 20 November 2015 14: 14 New
        +2
        Quote: mvg
        Frogs are not bad shipbuilders ..

        Good, who argues. However, even good shipbuilders sometimes have bad ships. For example, excellent German shipbuilders did pretty disgusting destroyers in WWII, and cruisers like "Hipper" can hardly be called a success of German shipbuilding. The light cruisers of Germany before the WWII building were relieved due to which it was simply dangerous to go to them in any stormy sea.
        The British more than once or twice created not very high-quality "coabbles" - King George 5 is still difficult to call a success of the British battleship industry, I am silent in general about battle cruisers. And the first British “Washington” players are also clearly not the best in the line of world “ten-thousand-year-olds”.
        In general, the “Charles de Gaulle” is an example of the fact that even an old woman is a bitch. Most likely - a victim of savings on the Navy, the designers were probably heavily squeezed by displacement
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 20 November 2015 16: 10 New
          0
          Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
          For example, excellent German shipbuilders did pretty disgusting destroyers in WWII, and cruisers like "Hipper" can hardly be called a success of German shipbuilding. The light cruisers of Germany before the WWII building were relieved due to which it was simply dangerous to go to them in any stormy sea

          The heavy legacy of Versailles. smile
          If in other countries the process of designing and building ships continued continuously (although there were problems with the budget and the Washington / London agreements), the Germans were bound by the Versailles restrictions. As a result, they had to jump over the “10 lost years”, and even make ships within much more stringent limits.
          So, when trying to shove all the customer’s Wishlist into the displacement of the Königov, it was necessary to save on the mass of the hull.
          Versailles is also to blame for the KRT and EM boilers - the Germans did not have time to test boilers with high steam parameters on ships. And on land at constant load, they worked perfectly. So they stuck them on the ships ... and the load on them is variable. Overcomplicated automation could not cope with maintaining the parameters. And the theoretical range and reliability quickly flew down.
          By the way, in the USSR, in order to switch to high parameters, the couple made secure and built a special EM - "Experienced". In theory, it should have been stronger than all serial EMs. In practice, it turned out to be slower, weaker and “closer”.
          1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
            Andrei from Chelyabinsk 20 November 2015 17: 26 New
            +2
            Quote: Alexey RA
            The heavy legacy of Versailles

            And who argues? :))
            But the French at the time of the creation of Charles’s situation, if not similar, was slightly better - nuclear power on a large surface ship was new for them, and it seems that the budget cut even more abruptly Versailles’s displacement limits laughing
            Quote: Alexey RA
            Versailles is also to blame for the KRT and EM boilers

            Yes, but the Germans, in addition to the boilers, created problems for themselves - the destroyers had a very low seaworthiness, and the attempt to stick six-inches on them did not work at all.
            But Scharnhorsts / Tirpitsy and other submarines turned out to be very wow ... and TKA. And small destroyers. And BDB is generally a hellish marine chuchundra laughing
            Quote: Alexey RA
            By the way, in the USSR, in order to switch to high parameters, the couple made secure and built a special EM - "Experienced"

            What was, was. And here our definitely well done
            1. Alexey RA
              Alexey RA 20 November 2015 18: 29 New
              0
              Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
              But the French at the time of the creation of Charles’s situation, if not similar, was slightly better - nuclear power on a large surface ship was new for them, and it seems that the budget cut even more abruptly Versailles’s displacement limits

              And on the other hand - it was urgent to change the “Foch” and “Clemenceau”.
              By the way, beyond the Channel, in a similar situation, their Lordships completely abandoned the AEU, putting GTE on the “Queen-2”.
              Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
              Yes, but the Germans, in addition to the boilers, created problems for themselves - the destroyers had a very low seaworthiness, and the attempt to stick six-inches on them did not work at all.

              "Narviki"? So ... this is an attempt to somehow compensate for the lack of new KRL. Moreover, the shape of the hull on the “narviks” was changed to improve seaworthiness. smile
              Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
              But the Scharnhorsts / Tirpitsi and other submarines turned out to be very wow

              "Bismarck" - yes.
              But “Charlie” turned out to be frankly unarmed. Remember the battle with “Rinaun”, when the modernized old man, who remembered the previous war, alone fought off “Charles” with “Gnei”, calmly withstanding a couple of hits from their GK.
              It was not for nothing that the Gneisenau was re-equipped with 38-cm guns.
              Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
              And BDB is generally a hellish marine chuchundra

              Wow ... a versatile airborne artillery anti-aircraft small ship. It was difficult to compete with them even.
              Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
              What was, was. And here our definitely well done

              Well ... the chief designer of the "Experienced" still sat down. Because he promised to create a “Soviet Le Ardi” with characteristics at the level of the future “Tashkent.” And he did it, despite the fact that the industry immediately said there would be no auxiliary mechanisms for steam with high parameters. And this ruined all the advantages of the power plant in the bud .
              1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                Andrei from Chelyabinsk 20 November 2015 20: 48 New
                0
                Quote: Alexey RA
                And on the other hand - it was urgent to change the “Foch” and “Clemenceau”.

                Quite right, but this is again to the budget - with a normal schedule of work to replenish the fleet, an aircraft carrier would have taken up much earlier than this actually happened. So no - they drove to the last Fosha.
                Quote: Alexey RA
                By the way, beyond the Channel, in a similar situation, their Lordships completely abandoned the AEU, putting GTE on the “Queen-2”.

                Oh sure. But the British as a result, the aircraft carrier under the declared Charlie air group (40 aircraft) was almost twice as heavy as the Frenchman.
                Quote: Alexey RA
                "Narviki"? So ... this is an attempt to somehow compensate for the lack of new KRL.

                Which in itself is a little absurd. In addition, the Germans in the destroyers had a deficit no worse than in the KRL - what was the point of building bad KRL instead of good EM? And the seaworthiness problem was more or less acceptable resolved in my opinion only on type 1936 (1934 mercilessly flooded, well, Narviki ...)
                Quote: Alexey RA
                But “Charlie” turned out to be frankly unarmed.

                Yes, but this, again, is a political decision. At the same time, the EMNIP ability to modernize six 380-mm guns was taken into account during construction, and this would be a completely different calico, with which even King George could not easily be overcome. Well, the rest of the ships were pretty decent.
                Quote: Alexey RA
                Remember the battle with “Rinaun”, when the modernized old man, who remembered the previous war, alone fought off “Charles” with “Gnei”, calmly withstanding a couple of hits from their GK.

                I'm afraid you were a little mistaken. This is not Rinaun fighting off the ShiG, but TWO heroic German battlecruisers somehow fighting off Rinauna. Maybe the British did not always get good ships, but they knew how to fight on them :)))
                Quote: Alexey RA
                Well ... the chief designer of the "Experienced" still sat down

                So what to do? In our pre-war years, there was a terrible fashion - to sculpt outright junk and to infuse it with the army and navy. The landing of designers has become a harsh, but somewhat effective measure against squandering by no means endless Soviet resources.
                Given the fact that all the same, they sent to Kolyma infrequently, rather in sharashka.
                1. Alexey RA
                  Alexey RA 21 November 2015 14: 51 New
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                  Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                  I'm afraid you were a little mistaken. This is not Rinaun fighting off the ShiG, but TWO heroic German battlecruisers somehow fighting off Rinauna.

                  Well, it depends on whose memoirs to read. laughing But you are right - the battle began "Rinaun".
                  In general, starting a battle at a ratio of 1 your LCR to 2 enemy ones, and then also chasing an opponent trying to get out of the battle - yes, British style. However, what else can we expect from a nation that has a connection from a “stripped down” Washington CRT and a pair of “budget” KRL “leaders” engaged in battle with an armadillo armed with 28-cm guns and, moreover, drives it into a neutral port. smile
                  Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                  So what to do? In our pre-war years, there was a terrible fashion - to sculpt outright junk and to infuse it with the army and navy.

                  Not only. There was still a fashion to conduct research and development and construction, knowing full well that there are no parts of mechanisms and systems for the product, it will not be and is not even planned. For this, by the way, the future Chief Designer sat down.
                  1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 21 November 2015 18: 30 New
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                    Quote: Alexey RA
                    Well, it depends on whose memoirs to read.

                    This is yes :))) I remember (for another reason, true), the Germans in the big turn had a pamphlet of the most heroic-patriotic content: "Drowning of the Rawalpindi", called laughing
        2. Bayonet
          Bayonet 20 November 2015 16: 34 New
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          Where to all of them to the harsh Ural shipbuilders from Chelyabinsk!wassat
          1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
            Andrei from Chelyabinsk 20 November 2015 17: 36 New
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            I did not understand the irony. By the way, do not tell me why on half of the demotivators about the harsh Chelyabinsk ... someone, or something there, they write
            "so severe" instead of "so severe"? Victims of the exam, or what? Not that I'm in a claim, but interestingly simple.
            1. Bayonet
              Bayonet 20 November 2015 20: 08 New
              +1
              This is not irony - delight! And they write "as much" as a joke - demotivators are the same .... hi
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  11. rudolff
    rudolff 20 November 2015 10: 58 New
    +5
    We like to blame Americans for what they wanted to sneeze on international law, but what about themselves? The French decided to play muscle in Syria. Was the request of the Syrian authorities? No. Was there a UN Security Council decision? No. And since none of this happened, then such actions can be regarded as aggression against a sovereign state. Our somewhere shut up about this? No! Instead, they suggested coordination and interaction.
    1. saturn.mmm
      saturn.mmm 20 November 2015 17: 04 New
      +1
      Quote: rudolff
      Instead, they suggested coordination and interaction.

      And this is after the sanctions, “Mistral” and the position on Ukraine.
      A great achievement in kaolitsizatsii.
  12. Mestny
    Mestny 20 November 2015 11: 21 New
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    Quote: rudolff
    We like to blame Americans for what they wanted to sneeze on international law, but what about themselves? The French decided to play muscle in Syria

    Is Russia again to blame and did something wrong?
    But how much can you write the same thing, hammering your head against the same wall?
  13. rudolff
    rudolff 20 November 2015 11: 39 New
    +2
    And where is the wall? France had to send a corresponding request to the Syrian leadership (Assad would not refuse) or convene an extraordinary meeting of the Security Council (especially since it is a permanent member) and only then can we think about any coalition with it and interaction. The same applies to the rest, who from Syria are satisfied with the training ground. Either by law or by definition, no other is given.
  14. fa2998
    fa2998 20 November 2015 12: 05 New
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    Quote: Volka
    it seems to me no benefit from this French trough, only they will shackle us ...

    This "trough" is just right there - "De Gaulle" is just right for low-intensity conflicts - to fight in colonies, police, anti-terrorism
    Operations. I think he is able to make 50-60 sorties a day. And kerosene and BC will last for 2 weeks. A little pecking a grain is only about 700-800 sorties. Even if one bearded wash is already good. hi
  15. mvg
    mvg 20 November 2015 12: 12 New
    +1
    Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
    Quote: Bayonet
    Maximum capacity - up to 100 aircraft for up to 7 days

    why not xnumx?

    In the pockets of candy shove .. Just the planes will be small-small
  16. Zaus
    Zaus 20 November 2015 12: 28 New
    +3
    Quote: rudolff
    We like to blame Americans for what they wanted to sneeze on international law, but what about themselves? The French decided to play muscle in Syria. Was the request of the Syrian authorities? No. Was there a UN Security Council decision? No. And since none of this happened, then such actions can be regarded as aggression against a sovereign state. Our somewhere shut up about this? No! Instead, they suggested coordination and interaction.

    I don’t understand this situation either. After all, French planes will fly over the territory of Syria. And for this, the consent of the Syrian authorities is necessary. Why didn’t the Supreme Commander pay attention to this point? After all, he himself declared "international law" ... I admit that there could have been an agreement between Putin and Assad on the possibility of involving Western states in the operation against IS. But I have not yet met with an official explanation of this problem.
    1. trantor
      trantor 20 November 2015 20: 28 New
      +1
      I have not heard about the agreement either, but the point of calling them "allies" is apparently to somehow make them work according to our target designation, rather than bomb anything.
    2. Morrrow
      Morrrow 20 November 2015 22: 05 New
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      The right to defense.
    3. red_october
      red_october 23 November 2015 10: 10 New
      +1
      I don’t understand this situation either. After all, French planes will fly over the territory of Syria. And for this, the consent of the Syrian authorities is necessary. Why didn’t the Supreme Commander pay attention to this point? After all, he himself declared "international law" ... I admit that there could have been an agreement between Putin and Assad on the possibility of involving Western states in the operation against IS. But I have not yet met with an official explanation of this problem.

      It revealed. Assad said that everyone who coordinates their actions in Syria through Russia is automatically considered Damascus as allies.
      Now let's see how the military will put this into practice.
  17. Tiger4
    Tiger4 20 November 2015 12: 57 New
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    What does it mean again? And where did he fight before?
  18. IAlex
    IAlex 20 November 2015 15: 40 New
    -1
    And how are they going to fly, if the strip of land along the coast belongs to the ATS and there is not destroyed infrastructure on it ... That is Is it such a cheap move to launch strikes against the SAR from the sea under the guise of fighting terrorists?
  19. Bob
    Bob 20 November 2015 15: 42 New
    +4
    With the advent of France and Charles de Gaulle in the Eastern Mediterranean, everything will become completely confused. In providing EW and air defense, Moscow will have to set up a friend or foe system, taking into account that the NATO country is no longer a potential enemy, but a partner, that is, a friend wanted to say, comrade, that in itself is very doubtful in view of the recent situation with the Mistrals.
    I consider it unreasonable to open my defensive systems. I foresee the next saga of the information war, when the partner country "accidentally" fired a "friendly" fire on the positions of the allies, and as a result received a conflict situation. Americans will try to take advantage of the situation for any purpose. This is directly read on the face of Obama following the meeting of the 20s in Turkey. They have repeatedly proved their chitrozados.
    Regarding the Charles de Gaulle, it is not clear which ships, mentioned in passing in the article, are in question, which will have to accompany the aircraft carrier? Maybe someone will clarify from the members of the forum ... I read that it is 1 submarine and 1 support vessel (tanker). If so, how are the French going to ensure the sustainability of the AUG? And this connection cannot be called an air strike group. What if what ...?! The Americans launched an aircraft carrier accompanied by 10-20 ships, because they treasure their valuables. Will the French really decide to take such risks, or are they hoping for the Russian fleet ?! And what if the terrorists fired an hour from some small ships with something like a Flurry ?! Who will be to blame then ?! Russian or what ?! Recently, Russians have blamed something a lot on all sins. The Americans have long calculated the risks for their aircraft carriers from small boats; the gunboat war is called. Therefore, the Americans are not going to use the ACG against the Iranians, for example, who are just the same sharpened on the conduct of just such a war.
    Who will protect Charles de Gaulle !? It’s even scary to think about what will happen to France and the Middle East if the French lose their only aircraft carrier? Then I think that no one will think much about anything, but will make a strong-willed decision on carpet bombing and cleansing the area with all forces, that is, land forces. And this is extremely unprofitable for Russia, Syria, Iraq and Iran. This is beneficial to America and the Gulf monarchies.
    1. red_october
      red_october 20 November 2015 16: 05 New
      +1
      While they write like this:
      It is reported that a Belgian frigate has been accompanying the French aircraft carrier since September. When France announced the upcoming participation of the ship in an operation against the Islamic State (IG) terrorist group, Belgium decided to continue escort. The frigate will continue to follow the aircraft carrier until at least 2 January 2016 year.

      On Wednesday, Britain announced that it would send the Royal Navy's warship HMS Defender in support of France’s efforts to conduct an anti-IS operation and would consider any other Paris request for support.

      http://www.vz.ru/news/2015/11/18/778873.html
      1. da n ya 1914
        da n ya 1914 20 November 2015 16: 23 New
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        the frigate is small for an aircraft carrier escort
        1. GOgaRu
          GOgaRu 20 November 2015 16: 30 New
          +2
          the frigate is small for an aircraft carrier escort

          Yes, ISIS destroyers will smash them to smithereens. laughing
      2. Bob
        Bob 20 November 2015 16: 38 New
        +1
        Quote: red_october
        While they write like this:
        It is reported that a Belgian frigate has been accompanying the French aircraft carrier since September. When France announced the upcoming participation of the ship in an operation against the Islamic State (IG) terrorist group, Belgium decided to continue escort. The frigate will continue to follow the aircraft carrier until at least 2 January 2016 year.

        On Wednesday, Britain announced that it would send the Royal Navy's warship HMS Defender in support of France’s efforts to conduct an anti-IS operation and would consider any other Paris request for support.

        Thanks, clarified.
        So I say that it is clear that nothing is clear. What ships, in what quantity, in which zone of the theater will operate, and how to interact with the Russians?
        I make the assumption that the Americans, that is, Obama, can in no way condescend to an alliance with the Russians in Syria, therefore they are launching the French, and on unclear conditions with unclear risks. And the French are trying to demonstrate the "determination" of the fight against terrorists, and they are launching all the most valuable that they have.
        It would be right for the French to first conduct reconnaissance, then lay down alternative plans with the obligatory indication of the goals and means of their implementation, and then, based on negotiations with the "partners", agree on the "best" solutions for the parties so that the "wolves are fed and the sheep are safe. "
        It’s me that 2-4 NATO ships of the Belgian or British AUG will not give stability, and in case of trouble it is unlikely to help something. And the aircraft carrier is worth a lot, especially with such a loud name, "Charles de Gaulle", this name probably resonates with thunder in the hearts of Americans.
        Why don't the French first think of pulling less visible targets into the region, the same Mistral with guard ships? And at the next stage, do not create a full-fledged grouping that provides 100% coverage of the AUG ?! That’s what the Americans do, the Russians do. By the way, and it must be said, we still have not used the capabilities of our aircraft carrier in Syria. Because it is expensive, risky, troublesome, inefficient, etc., etc.
        1. red_october
          red_october 20 November 2015 16: 48 New
          +3
          Why don't the French first think of pulling less visible targets into the region, the same Mistral with guard ships?
          Hollande needs wide persuasive gestures. The French are expected of him after the Paris massacre. The war is on including on television screens and on the Internet. Putin also plays a picture on television, in any case, takes into account the rules of the game in the media.
          Apparently, this can explain the inconsistency of actions from the point of view of the military; Putin’s order to cooperate with the French as allies is intended not only for the commander of the Moscow defense complex, but also for the ears of Western comrades.
          1. Bob
            Bob 20 November 2015 17: 09 New
            +1
            Quote: red_october
            Hollande needs wide persuasive gestures. The French are expected of him after the Paris massacre. The war is on including on television screens and on the Internet. Putin also plays a picture on television, in any case, takes into account the rules of the game in the media.
            Apparently, this can explain the inconsistency of actions from the point of view of the military; Putin’s order to cooperate with the French as allies is intended not only for the commander of the Moscow defense complex, but also for the ears of Western comrades.

            You correctly noted - the inconsistency of actions from the point of view of the military.
            It is the military who do the hard work, and they are constantly prevented from doing this work - first in Chechnya, then in Donbas, now Syria has reached or is reaching ...
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  20. alovrov
    alovrov 20 November 2015 16: 58 New
    +1
    Much ado about nothing. Firstly, it is unclear whether charlidegol will reach even Cyprus. Secondly, 18 rafals from one lane is of course a terrible force. Barmaley directly run in a panic.
  21. Tishka
    Tishka 20 November 2015 17: 29 New
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    Dear Sirs, but someone did not pay attention to the report where ISIS was bombed! A beautiful shot, when the tanks were bombed, it does not matter if they were empty, or full, the main event, to destroy the transport on which ISIS transported oil, and sold at bargain prices! A logical question arises: is it a fight against ISIS, or is it a struggle for the price of oil? It is most likely that the victims expressed their condolences and eternal memory, but the fact that the dumping of oil prices in one’s pocket has less settled down, turned out to be a decisive factor, and such that they threw into battle, even strategic aviation! And the overlap on the fight against terrorism is for the people at stake, again someone's pocket!
  22. Grim Reaper
    Grim Reaper 20 November 2015 18: 01 New
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    Now in Syria, the strongest armies of the world have come together in rehearsals of 3WW. According to the results of the "maneuvers" a decision will be made. IMHO.
  23. xomaNN
    xomaNN 20 November 2015 18: 56 New
    +3
    What about the "ally"? After the abominable behavior of francs with non-delivery of PAID AND READY Euro-barges of the “M” type, can oland be considered a RELIABLE PARTNER in anything ??? belay
  24. saturn.mmm
    saturn.mmm 21 November 2015 18: 31 New
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    Quote: Bayonet
    I did not mean our forum. Quite a lot has been written about the influence of Nietzsche’s philosophy on Hitler.

    Sorry, did you personally read Nietzsche?
    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 21 November 2015 21: 49 New
      +2
      I read, but what? Incidentally, my head blows not bad :))) Personally, I am Nietzsche incredibly grateful - he helped me pass the cultural studies exam at the university :))) The thing is - I’m going to the exam, I didn’t learn anything, as usual, but here’s “On the other side of the good and I’ve read evil recently as part of self-education :) I come to the exam (I see the teacher for the first time) and there such an intelligent and malicious woman asks that ... in general, I understand. that even if the trio do not shine with my not so bad baggage of knowledge about world religions and philosophical movements - I had to learn. But reluctance to go for a retake. At full height, the question arises according to Chernyshevsky - "What to do?"
      And then I suddenly realize that I’m dressed “in shape” (black trousers and a black shirt), and I just cut my hair (naturally under a comb). So purqua wouldn’t be na?
      I am called out, I go out, a steel gleam in my eyes, a square jaw - forward, the face muzzle asks now for a personal matter: "the character is Nordic, merciless to the enemies of the Reich" and I start to drive a blizzard in the style of a bearded anecdote: "the fish are covered with scales, wool they don’t, but if they had wool, they would have fleas and fleas ... ", but instead of fleas I have Nietzsche. And since “On the other side” was read just a week ago, and I don’t complain about memory, I can quote the author with whole paragraphs from memory ...
      The teacher looks at me in holy horror - in front of her is an ideological Nietzschean with a clear tendency to foshizmu! And to arrange a theological dispute with a gorilla under two meters in height is more expensive for itself, it sparkles like pupils ... in general, I got my “zachot” (or four? I don’t remember already) and came out quite happy, although of course not without sensations of dirt - yet to pretend to be a foolish boob is somehow unpleasant.
      1. saturn.mmm
        saturn.mmm 22 November 2015 23: 41 New
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        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
        I read, but what? The head, by the way, blows well:

        What did you read or read all the work?
  25. Oleg7700
    Oleg7700 22 November 2015 15: 34 New
    +1
    According to the Minister of Defense of France, on Monday, 23.11.2015/26/XNUMX, the aircraft carrier formation will leave in the eastern Mediterranean on the line of attack of the IS. In addition to the Sh.de Gaulle aircraft carrier with XNUMX attack aircraft, electronic reconnaissance and guidance aircraft, helicopters, the Air Defense destroyer of the Horizon type, two frigates of the Fremm type, the English and Belgian frigates, and the nuclear submarine. boat and support vessel. Support infrastructure of NATO (England) in Cyprus.