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ICBM "Frontier" Americans will be shown next year

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Demonstration of the latest Russian missile PC-26 "Frontier" American inspectors moved to 2016 g, reports Look with reference to tass.




“According to the decision of the Ministry of Defense, the screening of a group of American inspectors of our new intercontinental ballistic missile RS-26 was postponed from November 2015 to 2016 year, the new timeline has not been determined yet,” a military source told the agency.

"The American side was notified of this decision, it took note of it," the source said.

According to him, "during the demonstration of the rocket at the Votkinsk engineering plant in Udmurtia, in accordance with the START-3 agreement, the Americans will receive certain data on the technical characteristics of the PC-26, which distinguish it from the existing Yars and Topol-M missiles."

Also, the Russian side “will provide the inspectors with photos of the PC-26 if a request is received,” the source said, adding that the Americans will also be able to “view and measure the rocket, while they will not be able to touch and shoot it, nor will they see launcher ".

Earlier it was reported that the demonstration of the rocket will be held in November 2015 g.

The control launch of the PC-26 was held in March of the current year. According to media reports, its mass production is scheduled for the end of 2015-th - the beginning of 2016.
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  1. Air Force captain
    Air Force captain 18 November 2015 17: 51 New
    +1
    The news is good ... the topic is pleasant ... but I wouldn’t tear myself up ...
    1. SRC P-15
      SRC P-15 18 November 2015 17: 55 New
      37
      Americans will also be able to "inspect and measure the missile, while they will not be able to touch and remove it, nor will they see the launcher."

      Так и вижу плакат перед глазами американцев: "Руками не трогать!" laughing
      1. Baikonur
        Baikonur 18 November 2015 17: 59 New
        16
        Quote: СРЦ П-15
        "Руками не трогать!"

        And then fractures can not be avoided! laughing

        And so - a cute lifesaver! Equal such. Magical soldier
        1. vovanpain
          vovanpain 18 November 2015 18: 24 New
          40
          Quote: Baikonur
          ! Even like that. Magical

          And if the course comes to visit.
          1. Vasek
            Vasek 18 November 2015 19: 50 New
            19
            Quote: vovanpain
            And if the course comes to visit.

            bully Want to go to America?
            Go serve in the Strategic Missile Forces.
            1. podpolkovnik
              podpolkovnik 19 November 2015 12: 36 New
              +3
              Quote: Vasek
              Quote: vovanpain
              And if the course comes to visit.

              bully Want to go to America?
              Go serve in the Strategic Missile Forces.
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          3. Aleksander
            Aleksander 18 November 2015 20: 36 New
            11
            Quote: vovanpain
            Quote: Baikonur
            ! Even like that. Magical

            And if the course comes to visit.


            Why would amers go somewhere? See at home . And appreciate lol
        2. Duke
          Duke 18 November 2015 18: 48 New
          16
          Quote: SRC P-15
          Americans will also be able to "inspect and measure the missile, while they will not be able to touch and remove it, nor will they see the launcher."

          Так и вижу плакат перед глазами американцев: "Руками не трогать!" laughing

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      2. Temples
        Temples 18 November 2015 17: 59 New
        19
        ICBM "Frontier" Americans will be shown next year

        And where is the launch scheduled? wassat
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        2. Throw
          Throw 18 November 2015 18: 16 New
          12
          Потрогать "Рубеж" и умереть... laughing
          1. Starover_Z
            Starover_Z 18 November 2015 21: 52 New
            14
            Quote: Lance
            Потрогать "Рубеж" и умереть... laughing

            And do not touch our BOUNDARY !!! angry
          2. remy
            remy 19 November 2015 00: 42 New
            +1
            on average, the production of a heavy rocket at the initial stage takes 1,5-2 months
            those. at least 4 products have already been manufactured since March!
            - regiment!
          3. ANTI.KORR.
            ANTI.KORR. 19 November 2015 00: 48 New
            +3
            Quote: Lance
            Потрогать "Рубеж" и умереть.

            Quote: Starover_Z
            And do not touch our BOUNDARY !!!

            let their dandies touch and measure laughing
        3. Samaritan
          Samaritan 18 November 2015 18: 40 New
          0
          Already there were, by the way, the Americans were present in 2011 With Serdyukov attack! Then the 1st step worked before! In 2012, successful, this year in March, as usual Cabbage Yar!
        4. pv1005
          pv1005 18 November 2015 19: 08 New
          +2
          Quote: Temples
          ICBM "Frontier" Americans will be shown next year

          And where is the launch scheduled? wassat

          The main thing is where? And who will look at the point of arrival? wassat
        5. saturn.mmm
          saturn.mmm 18 November 2015 19: 13 New
          +2
          Quote: Temples
          And where is the launch scheduled?

          More relevant where.
        6. Ezhaak
          Ezhaak 18 November 2015 19: 20 New
          0
          Quote: Temples
          And where is the launch scheduled?

          The launch will be from one of the starting positions, which is not planned to be demonstrated. They will take the case out to the street, place it on the stocks and look, you bastards, look, just don’t lose your sight.
        7. Dry_T-50
          Dry_T-50 18 November 2015 19: 23 New
          +1
          And, more precisely, where? wassat
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      4. sever.56
        sever.56 18 November 2015 18: 04 New
        18
        Alexander, welcome hi
        Сразу вспоминается комедия "Ширли-мырли" и как там персонаж Джигарханяна, когда увидел, что алмаз подделка, закричал: - "Какая - (далее пароходный гудок) алмаз подменила"!!! Так и мне хочется заорать: - "Какая зараза договор по СНВ-3 заключала на таких условиях, что америкосы по такому предприятию как у себя дома гуляют"!!!
        Отдали бы тогда уж сразу всю техдокументацию и технологии производства "Рубежа"...
        1. leo3972
          leo3972 18 November 2015 18: 17 New
          +8
          Break the contract and send the mattress to where Makar did not drive calves laughing
        2. leo3972
          leo3972 18 November 2015 18: 18 New
          0
          They want to see, see on them and try laughing
        3. avdkrd
          avdkrd 18 November 2015 18: 26 New
          +3
          Quote: sever.56
          "Какая - (далее пароходный гудок) алмаз подменила"!!!

          Quote: sever.56
          "Какая зараза договор по СНВ-3 заключала на таких условиях, что америкосы по такому предприятию как у себя дома гуляют"!

          Да известно какой "гудок" эти договора подписывал, но конкретно в плане посещения объектов насколько я знаю обоюдно.
        4. SRC P-15
          SRC P-15 18 November 2015 19: 15 New
          +6
          Quote: sever.56
          Так и мне хочется заорать: - "Какая зараза договор по СНВ-3 заключала на таких условиях, что америкосы по такому предприятию как у себя дома гуляют"!!!

          Greetings, Valery! hi
          So for the iPhone, what can’t you do! yes fool
        5. LVMI1980
          LVMI1980 19 November 2015 09: 01 New
          +2
          да они после "минитмена" ни чего сделать не смогли...
        6. zhekazs
          zhekazs 21 November 2015 15: 25 New
          +3
          Let them see, understand and shake with fear, realizing with WHAT Country they are trying to flirt and what will happen to their houses when such beauties come to visit them. And knowing that their so-called state cannot do this. Let them envy and fear ...
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      6. 79807420129
        79807420129 18 November 2015 18: 07 New
        +7
        Well, on the one hand, it’s right. Look, adversaries, if you bark this nuclear hotel under its own power it will come and impose a resolution.
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      8. Gray-haired
        Gray-haired 18 November 2015 18: 44 New
        0
        "Руками не трогать!" снизу мелко:"Голову откручу!" am
        1. V.ic
          V.ic 18 November 2015 19: 25 New
          0
          Quote: Gray
          "The head откручу!"

          .eggs ... tear!!
      9. aleksfill
        aleksfill 18 November 2015 19: 00 New
        0
        It must be assumed that the Americans are arranging shows for the latest models of rocket technology
        to our specialists.
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 18 November 2015 19: 10 New
          +4
          Quote: aleksfill
          It must be assumed that the Americans are arranging shows for the latest models of rocket technology
          to our specialists.

          And there, and BZHRK BARGUZIN not far to take on duty. hi
        2. Ajent cho
          Ajent cho 18 November 2015 21: 58 New
          +1
          It must be assumed that the Americans are arranging shows for the latest models of rocket technology
          No: they haven’t released anything new for 30 years.
      10. nik39reg
        nik39reg 18 November 2015 21: 37 New
        0
        And it’s best to arrange an exhibition of our ICBMs in the USA. Send exhibits to the exhibition on their own winked
      11. cherkas.oe
        cherkas.oe 18 November 2015 21: 41 New
        0
        Quote: СРЦ П-15
        Так и вижу плакат перед глазами американцев: "Руками не трогать!"

        And comrade ensign next to a stick in case of an attack of curiosity among uninvited guests. laughing
      12. Gormenghast
        Gormenghast 18 November 2015 22: 35 New
        0
        Лучше бы был плакат "Except dogs and Americans" laughing
      13. yushch
        yushch 18 November 2015 22: 55 New
        0
        Quote: SRC P-15
        Americans will also be able to "inspect and measure the missile, while they will not be able to touch and remove it, nor will they see the launcher."

        Так и вижу плакат перед глазами американцев: "Руками не трогать!" laughing


        And especially not to shoot. With the current possibilities of creating microcams that you cannot really see with the naked eye, it will be very difficult to prohibit shooting.
        But I hope the receiving side will come up with something. wink
        1. proletarian
          proletarian 18 November 2015 23: 28 New
          +1
          Так снимать не получится,РЭБ по полной задействуют;глядиш самые "любознательные" и зажарятся вот вам и "фуршет после смотрин".
        2. Oleneboy_
          Oleneboy_ 19 November 2015 04: 00 New
          0
          there are devices that respond to optics ... so it’s impossible to remove
      14. WYCCTPUJIA
        WYCCTPUJIA 19 November 2015 02: 41 New
        0
        Лучше так... " Мойте руки перед....."
      15. shosha
        shosha 19 November 2015 09: 58 New
        0
        The goods are expensive, hand-assembled, wholesale deliveries are possible, delivery is free ...
      16. Dixismr
        Dixismr 20 November 2015 11: 05 New
        0
        Accidentally put a minus.

        It’s easier to handcuff a rocket behind the back. P.ndosam and can only sniff its end.
      17. Serg81
        Serg81 20 November 2015 11: 54 New
        0
        Yeah in english laughing
      18. Serg81
        Serg81 20 November 2015 11: 54 New
        0
        Yeah in english laughing
    2. viktorrymar
      viktorrymar 18 November 2015 17: 56 New
      +4
      To tear from what?
      I just don’t understand why the Yusovites should show something, let them break their heads))))
      1. Sterlya
        Sterlya 18 November 2015 18: 02 New
        +4
        why show? Do they show us? Even if they show, why do we need it?
      2. Samaritan
        Samaritan 18 November 2015 18: 43 New
        +2
        Quote: Sterlya
        why show? Do they show us? Even if they show, why do we need it?

        Because it does not fall under the limitations of the Treaty on the destruction of the INF Treaty because it is up to 5500 km ... So they don’t believe it, they want to make sure!
        1. Samaritan
          Samaritan 18 November 2015 19: 00 New
          +6
          They have been tearing up farts since 2013: November 26 - http://www.thedailybeast.com reports that a group of US Congress senators turned to the US Department of State with a request for violations by Russia of the INF Treaty ... because ... The border does not fall , under the INF Treaty ... as always, the logic is on the level!
          1. Samaritan
            Samaritan 18 November 2015 19: 15 New
            11
            And who is minus?


            1. V.ic
              V.ic 18 November 2015 19: 27 New
              +2
              Quote: Samaritan
              who is minus?

              ... Bells, mishandled!
              1. Samaritan
                Samaritan 18 November 2015 20: 05 New
                +2
                I even guess who ... competitors, bully
                Tests of the MZKT-792911 chassis at a training ground in Belarus. Estimated January 2015
      3. SPACE
        SPACE 18 November 2015 19: 01 New
        +3
        Quote: viktorrymar
        I just don’t understand why the Yusovites should show something, let them break their heads))))

        Вот для того "кулак" и показали, чтоб голову ломали.
    3. Lt. Air Force stock
      Lt. Air Force stock 18 November 2015 17: 56 New
      +3
      Quote: Air Force Captain
      but wouldn’t bother ...

      If you are hinting at the USSR, then not nuclear weapons (missiles) consumed the lion's share of the military budget, but conventional weapons: ships, submarines, fighters, etc.
    4. MIKHAN
      MIKHAN 18 November 2015 17: 59 New
      +6
      Quote: Captain Air Force
      The news is good ... the topic is pleasant ... but I wouldn’t tear myself up ...

      Yes, they shouldn’t be like ... Weapons and the modern Army are money and contracts! Power has been respected at all times, especially if it is fair and can only be protected by its presence! Russia has always strived for this ... The truth should be with fists (calluses on the knuckles of your fist ...) You will show this and everyone immediately understands what could be. ..Kind of correctly expressed his idea? hi
    5. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 18 November 2015 18: 04 New
      33
      Americans will be shown next year
    6. marlin1203
      marlin1203 18 November 2015 18: 08 New
      +2
      Ну что так и будем "ракетами" меряться... laughing
      1. MIKHAN
        MIKHAN 18 November 2015 18: 42 New
        +5
        Quote: marlin1203
        Ну что так и будем "ракетами" меряться... laughing

        Rockets are our insurance .... Alas, you cannot! In the 90s, I remember trying to disarm and withdraw troops everywhere, and what ???? Blood and devastation began everywhere .. Yes, and now it is! West vomits and tosses that overslept RUSSIAN REVIVAL! Late already gentlemen, late .. hi
      2. Private Starley
        Private Starley 19 November 2015 06: 41 New
        0
        Ahha, be measured)))

        There is an international congress of sexologists. Speaker American:
        - In our laboratory, a powder is made that allows you to increase the penis by 10
        cm! Applause in the hall. Speaker Frenchman:
        - In our laboratory, a potion has been created that increases the penis by 15
        cm! Applause in the hall. Speaks Georgians:
        - Mi invented pills, because of which the penis becomes like a melon! - ?! Question
        from the hall:
        - In length or in width?
        - Prejede vsego mi imeem referring to the inclusion of quality!
    7. Altona
      Altona 18 November 2015 18: 31 New
      0
      Quote: Air Force Captain
      The ovost is good ... the topic is pleasant ... but I wouldn’t tear myself up ...

      ------------------
      Well, how nice? If an urgent parcel went to them, to the Pentagon or the Capitol, then it would have been even nicer ...
    8. marinier
      marinier 18 November 2015 18: 44 New
      +2
      And then, dear program?
      As it is to me, in matters of defense, of my State.
      Price has no value.
      Regards.
    9. Nick
      Nick 18 November 2015 19: 05 New
      +2
      Quote: Captain Air Force
      The news is good ... the topic is pleasant ... but I wouldn’t tear myself up ...

      And tomorrow is the Day of the Missile Forces and Artillery. The good news is right for the holiday.
    10. Tor5
      Tor5 18 November 2015 19: 24 New
      0
      Or can they show them some mock-up from afar of frightening sizes? wink
    11. 222222
      222222 18 November 2015 20: 15 New
      0
      МБР «Рубеж» американцам покажут в следующем году"

      ..not to swim for a buoy !! ... laughing
    12. Gronsky
      Gronsky 18 November 2015 21: 15 New
      +1
      To show new missiles to the worst enemy, while letting you take a picture and measure it, this is some kind, your will, of sadomasochismophrenia. A vile burp of corrupt nineties.
      Justify as you like, but in my head it does not fit.
      I can’t imagine that the Yankees would do the same.
      1. Polite Moose
        Polite Moose 18 November 2015 21: 46 New
        +3
        Quote: Gronsky
        Show new missiles to the worst enemy, while letting you take a picture


        I fully share your concerns. Where do our special services look? Even from the drawing to the article, any, the most novice, spy will make a 100% conclusion that the newest Russian ICBM consists of red, white, blue and yellow components in various proportions and combinations. The secret lies on the surface. SMERSH on them is not present. laughing

        Well, seriously, I don’t think that the US will be shown more than what is permitted. That which is enough for them to realize their inferiority and vulnerability.
        1. Basarev
          Basarev 21 November 2015 11: 59 New
          0
          Eh. Ballistic missiles are riveted easily and freely. And in space there is a complete seam. Think about it: the flight to the moon is thought up for the thirtieth year! Almost seventy years after the flight of the Americans! Meanwhile, these industries - astronautics and ICBMs - sort of like twin brothers.
  2. Observer2014
    Observer2014 18 November 2015 17: 52 New
    +4
    ICBM "Frontier" Americans will be shown next year
    This is not for you. You need to understand the depth of our depths !!!
    1. Mikhail Krapivin
      Mikhail Krapivin 18 November 2015 22: 38 New
      0
      A gorgeous movie, an early deceased actor is a pity.
  3. katalonec2014
    katalonec2014 18 November 2015 17: 52 New
    +6
    Good ... like an aspen stake.
    1. cniza
      cniza 18 November 2015 18: 21 New
      +3
      Quote: katalonec2014
      Good ... like an aspen stake.


      And the purpose, as with an aspen stake, is only designed for a large group at once.
  4. Strezhevchanin
    Strezhevchanin 18 November 2015 17: 55 New
    +3
    The border will be shown abroad !!!? fellow
    1. alexng
      alexng 18 November 2015 17: 58 New
      0
      And they will direct it on their own along an unpredictable trajectory ...
      1. Strezhevchanin
        Strezhevchanin 18 November 2015 18: 00 New
        0
        Quote: alexneg
        And they will direct it on their own along an unpredictable trajectory ...

        And exclusively false goals)))
  5. Dmitry Potapov
    Dmitry Potapov 18 November 2015 17: 56 New
    0
    It is necessary to show on the lawn in front of the White House by sending it under its own power, let them admire and study the wonderful consequences.
    1. Angro Magno
      Angro Magno 18 November 2015 18: 12 New
      0
      Got ahead. I had to delete my comment.
  6. Alexander 3
    Alexander 3 18 November 2015 17: 57 New
    -2
    We will not only show them the rocket, we will show them something else.
    1. Strezhevchanin
      Strezhevchanin 18 November 2015 18: 05 New
      0
      Quote: Alexander 3
      We will not only show them the rocket, we will show them something else.

      There kakbe kuzkina mother by default is attached.
      1. Spnsr
        Spnsr 18 November 2015 20: 02 New
        0
        Quote: Strezhevchanin
        Quote: Alexander 3
        We will not only show them the rocket, we will show them something else.

        There kakbe kuzkina mother by default is attached.

        it is already possible and kuzkin atets campaign wassat
        1. Alexander 3
          Alexander 3 18 November 2015 20: 17 New
          0
          Cousin mom they constantly dream.
  7. Jack-b
    Jack-b 18 November 2015 17: 57 New
    -1
    that the Americans will, in addition, “inspect and measure the rocket, while they will not be able to touch and remove it, nor will they see the launcher.”

    Will they be given bibs?
    1. Strezhevchanin
      Strezhevchanin 18 November 2015 18: 01 New
      0
      Quote: Jack-B
      that the Americans will, in addition, “inspect and measure the rocket, while they will not be able to touch and remove it, nor will they see the launcher.”

      Will they be given bibs?

      Silikogel pour in Trukhan)))
  8. semuil
    semuil 18 November 2015 17: 59 New
    +3
    For the sake of pleasure, they intrigue.
    1. Gomel
      Gomel 18 November 2015 18: 01 New
      +2
      Well, straight bastards, mock at unhappy Americans :)
  9. Gomel
    Gomel 18 November 2015 18: 00 New
    0
    Yes, let’s touch, only 220v must be connected ... we do not mind
  10. dsi
    dsi 18 November 2015 18: 00 New
    +2
    "The American side is notified of this decision, it took note of it,"

    ...и поняла, что "красная линия" для России давно уже анекдот!
  11. Old26
    Old26 18 November 2015 18: 02 New
    +1
    Поурякали??? Ну и слава богу. Рисунок - от фени. Я бы мог еще понять, если бы написали, что это рисунок МБР "Сармат", но "Рубеж"....

    For especially smart. According to strategic arms treaties, both sides show each other new complexes before being delivered to armaments ...
    1. BaLaLaykin
      BaLaLaykin 18 November 2015 18: 15 New
      +1
      Sarmatian is ready, now pu under him mastered
  12. Oblomov
    Oblomov 18 November 2015 18: 04 New
    +1
    Again, bad luck!
  13. win
    win 18 November 2015 18: 07 New
    +2
    "Воеводу" они обозвали "Сатаной".
    А как они "Рубеж" нарекут. Ведь она похлеще...
    1. staryivoin
      staryivoin 18 November 2015 18: 14 New
      0
      Назовут "Порог преисподней". И это будет правильно, хотят меряться силой - РОССИЯ им покажет "МАМА, НЕ ГОРЮЙ!"
      1. Spnsr
        Spnsr 18 November 2015 20: 06 New
        0
        Quote: Siegen
        "Воеводу" они обозвали "Сатаной".
        А как они "Рубеж" нарекут. Ведь она похлеще...

        Quote: staryivoin
        Назовут "Порог преисподней". И это будет правильно, хотят меряться силой - РОССИЯ им покажет "МАМА, НЕ ГОРЮЙ!"

        Adnak's “red line”! wassat
    2. Manul
      Manul 18 November 2015 23: 49 New
      0
      Quote: Siegen
      "Воеводу" они обозвали "Сатаной".
      А как они "Рубеж" нарекут. Ведь она похлеще...

      And is it compared things? And here is how Sarmat will be called - this is really interesting.
    3. yuriy55
      yuriy55 21 November 2015 13: 59 New
      0
      "Воеводу" они обозвали "Сатаной".
      А как они "Рубеж" нарекут. Ведь она похлеще...


      We need to call "3,14ЗДЕЦ АМЕРИКЕ"

      Newspaper headlines:
      "Русские привезли "3,14здец Америке",
      "Такого "3,14здеца Америке" Соединённые штаты ещё не видели",
      "Российский "3,14здец" и американский "Атлас", - сравните характеристики, кто круче?"
      etc. laughing
  14. 3officer
    3officer 18 November 2015 18: 08 New
    0
    They will show it and show it. Only they can enjoy the spectacle for only a few seconds. laughing
  15. viktor561
    viktor561 18 November 2015 18: 17 New
    0
    Quote: Siegen
    А как они "Рубеж" нарекут. Ведь она похлеще...

    Как, как - "Ядрена Мать"
  16. Barakuda
    Barakuda 18 November 2015 18: 19 New
    -1
    Where will they show? I'll lie down and take a look.
    Maybe someone is sponsoring pro in Washington? winked
  17. mvg
    mvg 18 November 2015 18: 25 New
    +2
    Не было бы договора СНВ, вся Европа была бы наводнена Першингами, со временем подлета меньше 5-10 минут.. и что хорошего в этом? Штатам до Европы нас..ть, с колокольни. Наши жидкостные ракеты, на тот момент, требовали на "раскачку" больше времени. И у Америки БАЛЬШОЙ соблазн был бы накрыть все превентивным ударом с применением ТЯО. Это Вам не "топоры", которые будут лететь часами.. Это шахтные и мобильные комплексы - поступила команда, и пара тысяч ракет ушла, через 10 минут нет ни ПВО, ни ответки достойной.
    Зато как красиво "крякаем"..
    1. Raven1972
      Raven1972 18 November 2015 20: 08 New
      +3
      Quote: mvg
      Наши жидкостные ракеты, на тот момент, требовали на "раскачку" больше времени.

      R-36M UTTH: The modernization of the control system consisted in the implementation of more complete control laws with a reduction of methodological errors to almost zero, as well as an increase in the memory of the computer. At the same time, firing accuracy was improved by 2.5 times, the time the missile was ready for launch was reduced to 62s.
      You are not confused with the R-7? laughing You can see right away - you have nothing to do with the Strategic Missile Forces soldier
      Quote: mvg
      all of Europe would be overrun by Pershing

      With a range of 1800 km))) Before you write something, you can first clarify the performance characteristics of what you are writing about hi And they were deployed in Europe only 120 at the time of the INF Treaty + 127 undeployed - only 227 missiles, where you saw 2000 there ?????
      And if you take into account that most of the silos R-36 was located at a distance greater than 2000 km from the border - there was a reply than even after perching, somehow ...
      I’m not writing about the UR-100M yet, but there are also a lot of them, + blue and so on at the SSBN ...
      Quote: mvg
      START

      Actually, the START treaty has nothing to do with the INF Treaty))) That was a separate treaty from the Gorbachev era am And also OSV-1 and OSV-2 of the late 70s - early 80s hi
      Зато как красиво "крякаем"..

      So far, you’re grunting here, not understanding the issue
      1. mvg
        mvg 19 November 2015 01: 10 New
        -2
        Yes, I have nothing to do with the Strategic Missile Forces, more, you know, was involved in termites, mosquitoes, wasps hi

        Пост писал о Першинг'гах" в нарицательном склонении. Которые сейчас располагались бы в Польше, Румынии, Болгарии. И подтягивались бы к Украине.
        Together with missile defense. And in quantity, not 120 pcs.

        Or do you seriously believe that the ATS would not fall apart. The START Treaty is later, and not the fact that it would have been at all.
        And my opinion was that the United States, having sacrificed Europe, could start a war.

        If you want to talk about 1987, it’s easy.

        In the first salvo of the United States, there are 100 Pershing, plus 590 Axes (in the European part), and 490 Poseidons (6 boshes) with 30 submarines at ICBM bases outside the Urals.

        R-36 deployment time 5 minutes (standard),
        // perhaps the R-36M had 62 seconds, did not stand with a stopwatch request but I doubt //
        As you say, we will not count the Minutemen.

        Then the strategic and tactical aircraft will iron.

        In total, 1-2 BZHRK remain on duty and some mobile units plus something in the mines.
        All of this is unlikely to cause irreparable damage to North America.

        Europe has no chance of surviving, after 300 pieces of SS-20, with 3 heads, and SS-23 was not.
        Yes, most likely, we could strike back at America.

        Am I wrong somewhere?
        1. Sartorius
          Sartorius 19 November 2015 04: 02 New
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          And ICBMs on the nuclear submarine, well, they would have demolished the ground potential, the boats would still be shot.
          1. mvg
            mvg 19 November 2015 09: 17 New
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            We did not have 31 carriers, at best on combat duty, at the same time there were 2-3 boats. Really less. And it’s even more realistic that everyone left the base already accompanied by a multi-purpose American. Since 1983 (4), our boats have been trying to keep watch closer to the shores of America. Those. were not protected by anyone, neither by the ice cap on top, nor by the Navy, like the Americans.
            Really would shoot 1-2. Rather, 1. Not deadly. For the destruction of the USSR, you can pay a dozen cities. Just guogle .. Nothing personal.
            1. Raven1972
              Raven1972 19 November 2015 18: 44 New
              +1
              Quote: mvg
              Really less. And it’s even more realistic that everyone left the base already accompanied by a multi-purpose American

              Read about the Atrin operation - you will be interested - the division left the base in Lytsa and disappeared ... And no multi-purpose Americans could do anything)))) good
              Quote: mvg
              We did not have 31 carriers

              Now there is no ((((And in the 80s there were, and new ones were under construction ...
        2. Raven1972
          Raven1972 19 November 2015 18: 33 New
          +1
          Quote: mvg
          If you want to talk about 1987, it’s easy.

          Quote: mvg
          In the first salvo of the United States, there are 100 Pershing, plus 590 Axes (in the European part), and 490 Poseidons (6 boshes) with 30 submarines at ICBM bases outside the Urals.

          Maksim hi SPRN and SKKP you do not consider? Start is detected at a time - i.e. the western direction and the eastern direction were covered tightly at that moment ... Further - there were no 87 Axes in Europe in 590))) The total number of missiles deployed at that time (with Pershing together) 572 hi Next - what is the flying time of axes? Yes, and they go astray, the good of air defense at that time was still normal, Pershing - with a real range of 1400-1770 km, they also don’t do much weather, some amount will be shot down by the same A-135 - which will fly close ... That's it the rest has a flight time of 20min. During this time, EVERYTHING that we had was shot back - but at that time there were only R-36M UTTH 300 pieces, there were constantly about 200 on the database, 10 goals each, + UR-100M, N, + Poplar (only in my division in the first salvo 48 pieces flew away) - and how many of them were such divisions? wink And yes, the runway R-36M UTTH 62s. , R-5 had only the first samples for 36 minutes, with each modification this time was reduced ... So there was something to answer with, guaranteed ... That's how Maxim somehow, but about now - we have what we have ... There below, I have unsubscribed to Vladimir (Drevnyi26) about contracts and everything else ...
        3. Raven1972
          Raven1972 19 November 2015 23: 38 New
          +2
          Quote: mvg
          R-36 deployment time 5 minutes (standard),

          Maksim hi R-36 does not need to be deployed - on the database they are already fully equipped and ready for launch in the silos, only the runway (launch preparation time) matters - i.e. test program run and start directly. In the first R-36s this time was exactly 5 minutes, in the R-36M UTTX - 62s. hi
  18. Algetxnumx
    Algetxnumx 18 November 2015 18: 29 New
    +1
    Quote: vovanpain
    And if the course comes to visit.

    Ehh, my favorite picture, landscape, you will admire. wink
  19. Algetxnumx
    Algetxnumx 18 November 2015 18: 31 New
    0
    Quote: Barracuda
    Maybe someone is sponsoring pro in Washington?

    And what for, on radioactive ruins hanging around? fellow
    1. win
      win 18 November 2015 18: 56 New
      +2
      And what for, on radioactive ruins hanging around?

      Or maybe he was going fishing in the strait between Mexico and Alaska?
      1. Barakuda
        Barakuda 18 November 2015 19: 09 New
        -1
        I will SELL an apartment, a summer house, a car. I’ll go to meet Fidel’s brother. smile
  20. Urals
    Urals 18 November 2015 19: 16 New
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    They will show amers, with home delivery. More precisely, to the white house. As there: the whole world is in ruin wassatBut seriously, I’m glad that the military-industrial complex does not stand still.
  21. Buffalo
    Buffalo 18 November 2015 19: 24 New
    0
    Есть предположение, что "Рубеж" будем демонстрировать американцам вместе с давно обещанной "Кузькиной матерью".
  22. Lt. Air Force stock
    Lt. Air Force stock 18 November 2015 19: 25 New
    0
    Пока этот договор СНВ-3 "играет в одни ворота", США новые МБР ни сухопутного ни морского базирования не создают, а только модернизируют старые, а мы создаём и должны всё демонстрировать.
  23. mag nit
    mag nit 18 November 2015 19: 29 New
    0
    Send her to Washington - let them look and appreciate.
  24. Pak_c_TonopoM
    Pak_c_TonopoM 18 November 2015 19: 38 New
    0
    showing to a group of American inspectors


    Why am I apologizing ... i.e. Do they inspect us ??? Those. are we their vassals ??? This phrase comes out just like that
  25. RusDV
    RusDV 18 November 2015 19: 49 New
    0
    в 2016-ом пиндocoв предупредят: "вылетели... встречайте...знакомьтесь..."
  26. roskot
    roskot 18 November 2015 19: 56 New
    +1
    Look then look. But do not you dare to feel. Not kissed yet.
  27. BaLaLaykin
    BaLaLaykin 18 November 2015 20: 02 New
    0
    http://lenta.ru/news/2015/11/17/sarmat/
    Good news too
  28. Old26
    Old26 18 November 2015 20: 09 New
    +4
    Quote: sever.56
    "Какая зараза договор по СНВ-3 заключала на таких условиях, что америкосы по такому предприятию как у себя дома гуляют"!!!

    What is the name of the infection that entered into the START-3 treaty? Yes, no problems - Dmitry Anatolyevich ... And why did you get the idea that the Americans are walking around the enterprise ???

    Quote: leo3972
    Break the contract and send the mattress to where Makar did not drive calves

    Thank God that you are not the president of Russia. Otherwise, they would break all the treaties, make things up and quietly rush off until their own people hit you ...

    Quote: Sterlya
    why show? Do they show us? Even if they show, why do we need it?

    You know. There is such a word - AGREEMENT. Especially if he is in strategic arms, then both sides try to keep him. So in the contract there is such a thing - inspection. And they are mutual. If you want, you can not let the Americans violate the agreement, but then you should not be offended if they violate it ... Which is extremely unprofitable for us

    Quote: Siegen
    "Воеводу" они обозвали "Сатаной".А как они "Рубеж" нарекут. Ведь она похлеще...

    Пока никак. Но не исключено, что получит то же словестное обозначение, что и "Тополь", "Тополь-М" и "Ярс", поскольку у нас она проходит ЕМНИП под названием "Ярс-М"

    Quote: mvg
    There would be no START treaty, all of Europe would be overrun by the Pershing, with an arrival time of less than 5-10 minutes

    And if you follow the advice of some writers here and break all the agreements, then the missiles will appear much closer and the flight time will be about 3 minutes. But many, Maxim, do not give a damn about it. The main thing is to show our steepness ... like "Рубеж" с доставкой на дом, в Вашингтон. При этом не думают, что также с доставкой на дом могут прилететь и "Тризубцы"

    Quote: Lt. air force reserve
    Пока этот договор СНВ-3 "играет в одни ворота", США новые МБР ни сухопутного ни морского базирования не создают, а только модернизируют старые, а мы создаём и должны всё демонстрировать.

    А вы предпочли бы, чтобы мы не знали, сколько голов на "Трайденте"? 4, как по договору или 14? Ну а работы по новым ракетам в США если еще не идут, то в ближайшее время начнутся. Условные названия (пока) - Трайдент Е-6 и Минитмен-4. Что тогда будем говорить американцам? Почему не демонстрируете? Раз по договору есть такое положение - оно соблюдается. Мы показываем им не только новые, но и старые ракеты. Просто новые покажут на заводе, а не в в/ч

    Quote: Pak_c_TonopoM
    Why am I apologizing ... i.e. Do they inspect us ??? Those. are we their vassals ??? This phrase comes out just like that

    No need to invent what is not: vassals ... And if we inspect them, do you think they are our vassals?
    1. Raven1972
      Raven1972 18 November 2015 20: 31 New
      +1
      Quote: Old26
      And if you follow the advice of some writers here and break all the agreements, then the missiles will appear much closer and the flight time will be 3 minutes

      Vladimir hi The START-1,2,3 treaty has no relation to the INF Treaty, I already wrote above - this is the Gorbachev Treaty on the INF Treaty and the preceding OSV-1 and 2, you should know hi
      Next - flight time to where? To silos R-36 and UR-100? For pershing-2 - it will be far away))) Even if you allow 3 minutes - the R-36m UTTX starts in 62s - the answer will arrive anyway hi Yes, and Poplar with Yars and UR-100 and SSBNs should not be written off, so that’s enough for everyone ... And the trident is a sea rocket, it will start from afar, so there’s enough time at all ... hi
      P.S. And about compliance with the treaties - they need to be respected while they are profitable for us by some kind, and only while they are profitable - a striking example of merikmeriza and the ABM treaty ... hi
  29. hartlend
    hartlend 18 November 2015 20: 13 New
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    You can drag the show until the sanctions are lifted, until ISIS is defeated, until the peoples of Africa stop starving, etc. In general, beat the enemy with his own weapons. They will see when they arrive in the states ... on a friendly visit.
  30. pvv113
    pvv113 18 November 2015 20: 19 New
    +1
    ICBM "Frontier" Americans will be shown next year

    This year they were shown so much to them - the adversaries almost went crazy. It is necessary to protect their health, otherwise they will die - what shall we do? wink
  31. shimus
    shimus 18 November 2015 20: 30 New
    0
    Yes, but the demonstration of this product is best done in the United States, so as not to bother them with a long flight. In addition, the product must deliver itself to the place of display !!!
  32. cap
    cap 18 November 2015 20: 51 New
    0
    Quote: Andrey Yurievich
    Andrey Yurievich (3) SU Today, 18: 04 ↑ New

    Americans will be shown next year


    The photographer did not completely remove the door to the warhead.
    There is also an inscription below.
    "В валенках не входить" тапочки в шкафчике. laughing
  33. cap
    cap 18 November 2015 20: 58 New
    0
    Предыдущую называли "Сатаной" эта будет "Чертилой"
    или по исторической аналогии с "Кузькиной мамой" "Кузькин дед"
    А что классно, докладывать " Сер...тут звонили из Кремля..новым переговорщиком вместо Лаврова ждать Кузькиного деда!" laughing
  34. KRIG55
    KRIG55 18 November 2015 21: 04 New
    0
    Чудны твои деяния, Господи! Еще три года назад за одно упоминание"рубеж" в открытой переписке могли больно попку развальцевать, а завтра уже исключительной нации будем "железо" демонстрировать.
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  36. veksha50
    veksha50 18 November 2015 21: 54 New
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    Надеюсь, что с "Рубежом" случится такой же "казус", как и с "Калибром"...

    What amers will show is one thing, but what goes into service is something else ...

    PS I mean range ...
    1. sharp-lad
      sharp-lad 18 November 2015 22: 14 New
      0
      Ну и причём тут " Калибр" морского базирования?
      1. veksha50
        veksha50 19 November 2015 13: 30 New
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        Quote: sharp-lad
        Ну и причём тут " Калибр" морского базирования?



        Despite the fact that the comment you are responding to, you need to read carefully ...

        "P.S. Дальность имею в виду..."...
    2. sharp-lad
      sharp-lad 18 November 2015 22: 14 New
      0
      Ну и причём тут " Калибр" морского базирования?
  37. Old26
    Old26 18 November 2015 22: 11 New
    +2
    Quote: Gronsky
    I can’t imagine that the Yankees would do the same

    However come

    Quote: Raven1972
    Vladimir START-1,2,3 Treaty has no relation to the INF Treaty, I already wrote above - this is the Gorbachev INF Treaty and the preceding OSV-1 and 2, you should know

    I know Boris. About 3 minutes I wrote in principle as a remark to the phrase of Maxim (mvg) о 7 минутах подлетного времени Першингов. Да и он тоже знает, что это договор РСМД. Просто забадывает уже "отмахиваться" от желающих разорвать все договора. И СНВ и РСМД.

    Quote: Raven1972
    Next - flight time to where? To silos R-36 and UR-100? For pershing-2 - it will be far away))) Even if you allow 3 minutes - the R-36m UTTX starts in 62s - the answer will arrive anyway

    Well, our press always indicated a flight time of 7 minutes "до Москвы". Хотя проведенные в свое время в МИТе исследования показали, что с той головой, которая тогда была на "Першинге-2" (W85) она до Москвы не доставала, а ее реальная дальность была порядка 1800 км, как в принципе и указывали американцы. Но Политбюро нужна была угроза, чтобы дальность была 2500 км и СССР на переговорах настаивал именно на этой дальности.
    So flight time of 3 minutes with the location of medium-range missiles in the Baltic states exactly to Moscow.
    But if we talk about the firing range, then with a range of 1500 km they cover all bases in the European part of Russia, at 2000 km - and Orenburg (well, this is purely theoretical)

    Quote: Raven1972
    P.S. And about compliance with the treaties - they need to be respected while they are profitable for us by some kind, and only while they are profitable - a striking example of merikmeriza and the ABM treaty ...

    I am repeating this to everyone who wants to break the contract. The same agreement on the INF Treaty is still beneficial for us. Votkinsk will not pull everything at once. And Mace, and Yars, and Rubezh, and Barguzin, and even medium-range missiles. And so we do half a year of products a year, and if you deploy the ballistic missile defense system, then their number must be increased quickly. And withdraw from the agreement (any) as the Americans did and as prescribed in the relevant articles
    1. Raven1972
      Raven1972 18 November 2015 23: 24 New
      +1
      Quote: Old26
      . Хотя проведенные в свое время в МИТе исследования показали, что с той головой, которая тогда была на "Першинге-2" (W85) она до Москвы не доставала, а ее реальная дальность была порядка 1800 км, как в принципе и указывали американцы.

      Vladimir hi So they therefore had to deliver axes from the UBC to Europe - the Pershing range was by no means enough from the territory of the then Federal Republic of Germany)))
      Quote: Old26
      I am repeating this to everyone who wants to break the contract. The same INF Treaty is still beneficial for us

      I agree, t.b. that in Europe there aren’t any BRDS available, so for now let it be, and we know how to hide something interesting from prying eyes better than anyone else in the world, I just feel sorry for the Pioneers (((( recourse They merged them so mediocre (((They torn 384 Pershing, and we 728 Pioneers (burning a hunchback in hell for this) in my opinion - it was necessary to cut bash on bash (384/384) and transfer the rest to the Urals - to scare China, well, if necessary - relocate where we need wink hi
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  39. Old26
    Old26 18 November 2015 22: 12 New
    +1
    Quote: cap
    Предыдущую называли "Сатаной" эта будет "Чертилой"

    There will be no laughing The wrong English letter begins laughing

    Quote: shimus
    Yes, but the demonstration of this product is best done in the United States, so as not to bother them with a long flight. In addition, the product must deliver itself to the place of display !!!

    Блин, ну как же вы достали, урякалки. А в ответку "трайдент" на свою голову получить не хотите? am What kind of morbid desires, bordering on a chronic disease, which are treated in a hospital with bars on the windows, will be shot at the territory of a nuclear power that has more carriers than we do?

    Quote: hartlend
    You can drag the show until the sanctions are lifted, until ISIS is defeated, until the peoples of Africa stop starving, etc. In general, beat the enemy with his own weapons. They will see when they arrive in the states ... on a friendly visit.

    Another one who wants to start a nuclear war. It’s not profitable for us to delay the show, and we will be guilty of violating the Agreement
  40. shosha
    shosha 18 November 2015 22: 18 New
    0
    There will be no one to show the proto for the second time.
  41. Old26
    Old26 18 November 2015 22: 24 New
    +1
    Quote: Lalaika
    Sarmatian is ready, now pu under him mastered

    Of course I’m ready. Throwing trials have not yet been, not to mention others - it is now called ready ...

    Quote: veksha50
    Надеюсь, что с "Рубежом" случится такой же "казус", как и с "Калибром"...

    Не случится. Да и не было никакого казуса. Американцы прекрасно знали, что не экспортная версия отличается большей дальностью, как в принципе и тот же "Искандер". В 2013 командующий Каспийской флотилии озвучивал дальности и 54-й и 14-й модели. Примерно в то же время, может чуть раньше или позже (уже не помню) ими отстрелялся "Северодвинск". Как вы думаете, наши "заклятые друзья" не фиксировали эти стрельбы?? Так что "казус" - это для СМИ и разумеется для нас, особенно для тех, кто не следит за этим. Тут да, мы вдруг "внезапно" узнали, что "Калибр" для стрельбы по наземным целям летит дальше, чем мы знали... Но это уже наши проблемы

    Quote: veksha50
    What will be shown to Amers is one thing, but what goes into service is something else ... PS I mean the range ...

    Where does this pathological desire to substitute your own country come from ??? Or do you think they are so dumb that they don’t know how ranges are calculated ?? They have no suckers in the inspectors. Talk, if you know one of our soldiers who accompanied these inspections. Meticulous until I can’t ...
  42. Aandrewsir
    Aandrewsir 18 November 2015 22: 51 New
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    Thundering fire, sparkling with a gleam of steel. menacing rockets will go to take off ... This is x = orsho. that our strategic nuclear potential is being updated. Good news!
  43. proletarian
    proletarian 18 November 2015 23: 19 New
    +3

    Well, as the song says: Slowly rockets float away into the distance ...
  44. magician
    magician 18 November 2015 23: 36 New
    0
    beautiful, not like a scalpel!)))
  45. Old26
    Old26 18 November 2015 23: 39 New
    +1
    Quote: Raven1972
    They merged them so mediocre (((They torn 384 Pershing, and we 728 Pioneers (burning a hunchback in hell for this) in my opinion - it was necessary to cut bash on bash (384/384) and transfer the rest to the Urals - to scare China, well, if necessary - relocate where we need

    Так первоначально наши так и предлагали. И не просто за Урал, а расположить именно на Востоке, максимум Красноярск (это ЕМНИП еще при Андропове). И только согласие Шеварднадзе, ну и разумеется Горбачева на "полный ноль" и привело к таким результатам. Ну и довеском пошла "Ока" которая не подходила никаким образом
    1. Raven1972
      Raven1972 19 November 2015 00: 21 New
      +1
      Quote: Old26
      Ну и довеском пошла "Ока" которая не подходила никаким образом

      And for Oka he generally does not have forgiveness am For cutting the complex in such a way that NEVER did not pass under this agreement ((((One word - TRAITORS !!! am I still don’t have any decent words for this camarilla (some emotions and those are obscene angry )
      Quote: Old26
      And not just beyond the Urals, but located precisely in the East

      Ну я это и имел ввиду говоря - "за Урал" hi
    2. ANTI.KORR.
      ANTI.KORR. 19 November 2015 00: 56 New
      +1
      Quote: Old26
      ну и разумеется Горбачева на "полный ноль" и привело к таким результатам. Ну и довеском пошла "Ока" которая не подходила никаким образом

      here he is still alive am
  46. Old26
    Old26 18 November 2015 23: 42 New
    +3
    Quote: wizard
    beautiful, not like a scalpel!)))

    A very informative post ... Do not tell me who is handsome and what did not please our former BZHRK, or rather his rocket
  47. mvg
    mvg 19 November 2015 01: 26 New
    -1
    Я, может, что то вообще не понимаю.. США возмущаются "Рубеж'ом" РС-26, что она подпадает под договор РСМД (т.е. от 100 до 500, и до 5000 км, средняя и малая дальность). Какой, нафиг, Фашингтон? А наши уверяют, что менее 5500 км ее не запускают.. вот в чем вопрос..

    Про "Першинги" и BGM написал выше..

    Старому'26, спасибо, что в мое отсутствие, поддержали smile

    PS: In general, DA. I agree. Life is, of course, all the people are scum, let's tear it all apart (of the Treaty) and commit suicide together ... You see, after a couple of million years, macaques from Africa will reach the level of a caveman.
  48. Old26
    Old26 19 November 2015 08: 17 New
    0
    Quote: mvg
    Я, может, что то вообще не понимаю.. США возмущаются "Рубеж'ом" РС-26, что она подпадает под договор РСМД (т.е. от 100 до 500, и до 5000 км, средняя и малая дальность).

    Да они сейчас уже ей и не возмущаются. В принципе возмущались не американские военные, а политики и газетные писаки. Военные сначала (как говорят знающие люди) обвинили нас в нарушении договора СНВ-2, но наши очень убедительно доказали (не спрашивайте как, если честно сам точно не знаю), что комплекс разработан был согласно договору. Видимо наши нашли лазейки в договоре, "дыры" и воспользовались ими.
    Ну а вопли, что Россия нарушает договор по РСМД (ракеты с дальностью 500-5500 км) - это от политиков и журналюг. Однако, когда им так же "прозрачно" напомнили, что их "Трайдент-2" летал на 2200 км и что считать, что США тоже нарушили договор - они заткнулись.
    Официальный Вашингтон "подозревает", что Россия нарушила сей договор, создав КРЫЛАТУЮ РАКЕТУ, имеющую дальность, которая запрещена договором. Причем эта ракета - НАЗЕМНОГО БАЗИРОВАНИЯ. На просьбу обосновать это, сказав о типе, обычно следуют "отмазки" типа: ну вы же знаете, что мы знаем о какой ракете идет речь. И дальше сентенции что Россия нарушила букву Договора. В ответ следуют наши "обвинения" США, что они тоже нарушили, но уже "дух" договора. То есть в принципе ни одна из сторон не может предоставить неоспоримые факты нарушения другой.

    Ну у нас находятся и огромная масса форумчан, да и достаточно известные, а порой и высокопоставленные люди, которые в один голос утверждают, что например, крылатая ракета "Искандера" летит на 2000 км (то есть является прямым нарушением), ну или то, что заявленная дальность неэкспортного "Искандера" тоже отнюдь не 500 км, что есть "некий тумблер", при переключении которого "Искандер" летит на ХЗ какую дальность, чуть ли не 1500 км (народу нравится эта цифра). И народу плевать, что даже американцы, говоря о наших по их мнению нарушениях договора о РСМД говорят, что они (нарушения)не касаются ни "Рубежа", ни ракеты Р-500. То есть американцы знают, что у нее дальность не более 500, а форумные знатоки-конспирологи утверждают совершенно противоположное.

    И еще одно. Такие с позволения сказать "конспирологи", говоря о том, что дальности у баллистической и крылатой ракет комплекса "Искандер" превышают заявленные, сами льют воду на мельницу американцев, помогая им обвинять нас в нарушении. Ибо во всем мире разведка работает абсолютно одинаково. Она помимо всего прочего мониторит и средства массовой информации, выискивая зацепки. У нас же подобные бредни об "Искандере" кочуют их ресурса в ресурс, из публикации в СМИ в публикацию. И что это дает? А то, что когда один раз услышишь подобное - можно принять это за бред, второй раз - тоже. Но когда об этом говорят в сотый раз и на нескольких десятках ресурсов , аналитики с другой стороны начинают понемного задумываться. А уж политики тут же ухватятся (даже не задумываясь) за такой козырь. И потом нашим структурам, в т.ч. и МИДу приходится разгребать все это, доказывая, что мы не нарушители...
    I’m sure in advance, almost 100% sure that replicas will now pour in, that American intelligence is not capable of anything and draws its data from the Internet ... I am almost 100% sure of this. It’s true that people who don’t even remotely understand how the process of collecting, accumulating and processing information can and will go on talking about it. By the way, in Soviet times, it was considered a great success for the American intelligence when it managed to subscribe to the large-circulation publications of the corresponding plants, or to get real access to them
    1. Raven1972
      Raven1972 19 November 2015 19: 13 New
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      Quote: Old26
      Да они сейчас уже ей и не возмущаются. В принципе возмущались не американские военные, а политики и газетные писаки. Военные сначала (как говорят знающие люди) обвинили нас в нарушении договора СНВ-2, но наши очень убедительно доказали (не спрашивайте как, если честно сам точно не знаю), что комплекс разработан был согласно договору. Видимо наши нашли лазейки в договоре, "дыры" и воспользовались ими.

      Vladimir hi As far as I remember, our Frontier was launched at 6500 km, so there weren’t even any loopholes, there was a howl, supposedly we overestimated the launch range, and ours simply poked their muzzle on the table and compared them with our satellite images (I can’t vouch for accuracy, but it was like that) Well, about the trident at 2200 reminded)))))) hi
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    Old26 20 November 2015 08: 42 New
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    Quote: Raven1972
    As far as I remember, our line was launched at 6500 km, so even loopholes were not required

    О лазейках, Борис, я сказал в плане создания такой ракеты. Ее ведь разработка началась в период действия СНВ-2, по которому (если судить об официальной, открытой версии договора) ее нельзя было разрабатывать. Но где-то американцы промухали, а мы воспользовались "дырой"
  50. Zomanus
    Zomanus 20 November 2015 09: 36 New
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    О, задел для "Баргузина" делается. Не удивлюсь, если и соответствующая пусковая уже где-нибудь готовится к бросковым испытаниям.
    And what about the inspection, so let them look, let them measure.
    The length of the rocket is 15 meters, the weight is 4 tons, for example.
    And will it say a lot to experts?
    Especially considering that they know more about Poplar.