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“Hasn't Ukraine been frozen yet?”

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How many times has it been written that with the coming winter, Ukraine and Ukrainians will begin to freeze like a mammoth. And the reason for this will be not just another global cooling, but a competent and thoughtful policy of the Ukrainian leadership. This was written last year. This was written this year. And, if, of course, our forecast does not come true, they will write before 2019.




The Kiev government did everything to freeze the Ukrainians last year. And with Russian gas bullshit. And with all sorts of warming and new technologies for the extraction of heat. What only Svidomo not offered. And there have always been people who piously believed in the effectiveness of these measures.

And nature was against the policy of the top of the state. Somehow, the great nature of Ukraine has not yet experienced on citizens Square. Sometimes it seems that she, nature, conducts a giant experiment on natural selection. She wonders how long she will survive after living conditions become more severe. But at the same time, realizing that the majority are not so mobile and can not make decisions quickly, last year the winter was specially “dirtied”. Remember, this old, underused expression now is "Orphan Winter". Winter, which will spare the orphans with its warmth.

Yes, and Russia with the sworn "friends" from the EU have tried. Added gas to the heating was. Russia added, and Europe paid. So it was winter. Difficult, but quite tolerable.

But you need to know the Ukrainian government. It will not deviate from its idea until the last Ukrainian. To freeze means to freeze! And that neither nature nor all these Russian and Western well-wishers could not prevent it. But how to do it?

Yes, just. And everything is in the hands of this very government. There are tariffs. Those that force people to pay or refuse services. Great thought. If you do not want to pay, it means that you yourself want to participate in an experiment on freezing people. Democracy. Everyone chooses himself.

And, I must pay tribute to Kiev, everything was done soundly. Already in the spring, articles about the corruption and unprofitability of Naftogaz went to the media. Experts argued the complete uselessness of this structure. The prosecutor’s office opened and closed cases on responsible employees. And among the people the point of view that Yatsenyuk needed was ripening. "Naftogaz" - parasites, and they must be deprived of state subsidies for the purchase of gas. "

No one, including many home-grown experts, understood the true purpose of this campaign. And now they do not understand. And the goal was. Imagine a situation in which the government has a certain amount of hryvnia. And they are intended strictly to subsidize the purchase of gas. And there are people who are more and more often starting to go out with posters on the same gas. Give, give, give ...

The number of US rubles in the treasury is not increasing. There is nothing for him to increase. Output? Simple and obvious. It is necessary to take subsidies from Naftogaz and transfer them to the population. That’s all. And so to convey that it looked like a heroic feat from Kiev.

And then the IMF requires the implementation of the Memorandum of 1 on April 2015 of the year. It is necessary to raise gas prices 3,3 times.

In the summer, while nature played on the side of the government, they managed to raise most of the tariffs. For example, since May, the percentage of heat energy has been increased by 71 over heat. But the summer is over. And winter came. It is necessary to increase again.

And increased. Up to almost 7200 hryvnia per thousand cubic meters. This is where the hryvnia pressed by Naftogaz came in handy. Yatsenyuk solemnly announced about subsidies to the population in 50%. However, not all consumption, but only 1200 cubic meters for the heating season. Further arithmetic. 1200 is divided into 6 months ... But there are some tricks. In December and February, even the meanest domina for heating does not require 200, but at least two to three times more cubes. But then they will need to pay for 7200 hryvnia.

And this is in a country where about 12 millions of pensioners live. In a country where the average pension 1500 hryvnia. In a country where unemployment has blocked all imaginable and inconceivable boundaries.

It is clear that for the majority of Ukrainians it is a very heavy load. However, the government hopes for the "fat", which has been preserved in the "sacek" since the dictator Yanukovych. Ukrainians still have something to sell. And the stash is not fully selected. So, the majority will survive this winter. And there ... where the curve will take out.

Truth be told, how many wolves do not feed, and the elephant is still more. How many do not try to help a country that with perseverance worthy of a much better use and decided to die will not help. We often write about the government of Ukraine. But past regional elections have shown that this choice is not only, not so much the government, but the people. Hatred, brought up during the years of independence, covers the eyes. Let him die, but that the northern neighbor was bad.

In the first part, this slogan is carried out. And in the second ... Yes, it became harder for us. But not from Ukraine. And from the fact that a little shoulders straightened. A little bit especially arrogant "teachers of the right life" pushed themselves away. And the world around saw that Russia is not something there, on clay or snowy feet. Russia is an independent country and will not allow it to indicate how to live and what to do. And Ukraine does not want to rise. He does not want to ... Well, then, the choice of the people is the choice of God.
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  1. oldav
    oldav 19 November 2015 06: 17
    13
    A week I called it that gas on 4 of the day. What is drowning now?
    1. Vladimyrych
      Vladimyrych 19 November 2015 06: 22
      92
      1. vodolaz
        vodolaz 19 November 2015 09: 06
        30
        After once again choosing the degenerate boxer as mayor of Kiev, I realized that I don’t understand what Ukrainians want at all. But, as usual, Russia and Putin are personally to blame.
        1. corn
          corn 19 November 2015 11: 15
          13
          Quote: vodolaz
          degenerate boxer

          A little bit wrong.
          There was a legendary boxer, but the mayor was a joke.
        2. Egoza
          Egoza 19 November 2015 14: 57
          +8
          Quote: vodolaz
          Once the degenerate boxer was once again elected mayor of Kiev,

          And what? Would it be better if you chose Pravosek Birch? Those 15 percent that voted decided that it was better to clown than the right sector to capture Kiev with the help of the mayor.
    2. Sober
      Sober 19 November 2015 07: 33
      +5
      nuclear waste.
      Quote: oldav
      What is drowning now?
    3. RBLip
      RBLip 19 November 2015 08: 55
      30
      Quote: oldav
      A week I called it that gas on 4 of the day. What is drowning now?

      GDP will answer your question .....
      1. glavnykarapuz
        glavnykarapuz 19 November 2015 14: 01
        +5
        RBLip, when you insert a funny picture, please check the spelling. "not coldИthose exactly .. "
        especially under the photo of our president. I should be ashamed of such illiteracy.
        P.S. and a typo cannot justify it - the letters "and" and "e" are not located next to each other on the keyboard.
        1. RBLip
          RBLip 19 November 2015 14: 24
          12
          Quote: glavnykarapuz
          do not freeze for sure .. "
          especially under the photo of our president. I should be ashamed of such illiteracy.

          The picture is painful in the subject. this is the first.
          the second one. not too lazy, ran over your comments. lecture syndrome?
          Well, in the third. turn to the rules ...Freeze or freeze?

          Both forms are written correctly, as “Freeze” - the form of the verb “freeze” in 2 liters. plural Bud. vr. indicative mood, and “freeze” - a form of 2 liters. plural imperative.

          we will consider that our President in the imperative mood advises Ukrainians not to freeze ... laughing
          1. Oprychnik
            Oprychnik 19 November 2015 15: 17
            +4
            In the meantime, another peremoga is in Ukraine!
            "The weather will continue to delight Ukrainians with warmth!"
            Pay attention to a freebie!
    4. Uncle Joe
      Uncle Joe 19 November 2015 16: 50
      -1
      Quote: oldav
      A week I called it that gas on 4 of the day. What is drowning now?
      With the thoughts of scribblers like Staver, who have already transferred so much paper for wastepaper that Ukraine will last 10 years ahead.
    5. Cherdak
      Cherdak 19 November 2015 17: 12
      +2
      Quote: oldav
      A week I called that gas for 4 days.

      Why not clarify further? This is how many days will be "shipped" to Nezalezhnaya.

      «Thus, at present gas paid to Gazprom even with such a low level of extraction lasts only four days - until Saturday, November 14”, Said Miller.

      Quote: oldav
      What is drowning now?


      The volume of gas in the underground storage facilities of Ukraine as of the evening of November 18 decreased by 0,07% to 16,769 billion cubic meters, reports UNN with reference to data from the European operators of underground gas storage facilities (GSE).
    6. siberalt
      siberalt 19 November 2015 18: 47
      0
      Ukraine will never freeze, as long as our joint business with them. laughing Our ammonia from unidentified private traders for transit to the USA goes through the pipes to the Odessa port. So what? To whom sanctions, and to whom the mother is dear.
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    8. Yarik
      Yarik 19 November 2015 23: 36
      +3
      Senya, how do you smell them?
  2. Sasha75
    Sasha75 19 November 2015 06: 25
    26
    And that, too, the theme of the photo I will expose one more.
    1. Voha_krim
      Voha_krim 19 November 2015 08: 08
      28
      Reminds the country of the letter U.
  3. Sasha75
    Sasha75 19 November 2015 06: 26
    17
    It was so ...
    1. Ziksura
      Ziksura 19 November 2015 21: 45
      +2
      Not funny. The cost of Soviet bills:
      1 rub of the USSR - 80 rub of the Russian Federation (exchange rate - the dollar smokes nervously)
      25 rubles of the USSR - from 100 to 120 rubles of the Russian Federation
      50-100 rubles of the USSR - 150 rubles of the Russian Federation, etc.
      I did not burn Soviet bills and did not advise others. I knew that money has a strange property: becoming "This is not money" after a while begin to cost more than par laughing hi
      1. corn
        corn 19 November 2015 23: 54
        0
        Quote: Ziksura
        1 rub of the USSR - 80 rub of the Russian Federation (exchange rate - the dollar smokes nervously)

        The average salary in the Russian Federation in 2015 is 32 thousand rubles
        The average salary in the USSR in 1985 was 173,95
        32000: 173,95 = 183,96
        80: 183,96 = 43 kopecks per ruble note
        150: 183,96 = 82 kopecks per 100 ruble note at comparable prices, so you need to smoke nervously.
        I don’t even want to discuss for which bill you can get at least that kind of money.
  4. Nikolay71
    Nikolay71 19 November 2015 06: 31
    +4
    And how many cubic meters of gas per month (for example, in December) is spent on heating a private house with an area of ​​approximately 80 sq. M in Ukraine? I'm just curious compared to Yakutia.
    1. oldav
      oldav 19 November 2015 06: 42
      10
      In Novosibirsk, a private house of 51 m2 leaves from 200 to 500 m3. In the money from 1000 to 2300.
      1. mult-65
        mult-65 19 November 2015 12: 26
        +3
        In Belgorod, 80km to Kharkov, 1-room apartment, 33sq.m, central heating, every month (all year round): 832r 49k. That is, the month of the heating season is 1664r 98k.
    2. Corsair
      Corsair 19 November 2015 09: 31
      +1
      Quote: Nikolay71
      And how many cubic meters of gas per month (for example, in December) is spent on heating a private house with an area of ​​about 80 sq.m

      what 80m2 is a good house of 8x10 meters, the average hourly consumption, if there is a gas stove and a boiler with UGOP-16 or analogues, is 3-5 cubic meters per house (usually we give up to 5 m3 / hour for a house without calculation), if heated for several hours a day, say 5 hours - 15-20 cubes are needed per day. 15 (25) x30 = 450 (750) m3 / month.
      Naturally on cold days you may have to drown more.
    3. Victor_24
      Victor_24 19 November 2015 12: 00
      +6
      In Zaporozhye 90 sq.m. 180-300cubes with hot water
      This is 700 ~ 1400 hryvnia or 1750 ~ 3500 rubles
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    5. Normal ok
      Normal ok 19 November 2015 22: 20
      0
      And how many cubic meters of gas per month (for example, in December) is spent on heating a private house with an area of ​​approximately 80 sq. M in Ukraine? I'm just curious compared to Yakutia.

      200-400 cubic meters (together with hot water and a stove), depending on the heat efficiency of the house and the weather outside. Winters are much milder. In our region, Odessa, the average winter temperature is about -1.
      1. Nikolay71
        Nikolay71 20 November 2015 04: 43
        0
        Good morning! Yesterday I was on the road all day, so I could only answer now. In the winter (from November to March), I get from 700 to 1200 cubes, in money from 3500 to 6000 rubles.
  5. Leonid1976
    Leonid1976 19 November 2015 06: 32
    52 th
    The author wrote that they said last year and we will continue to talk about this ... But it doesn’t freeze in any way. And they write because of lack of information or because readers like it and because it is within the framework of the general information policy regarding Ukraine. For more than a decade, Russia has been saying that Ukraine will freeze without Russian gas, stealing gas (no one has sued the truth. But it remains in the head of the Russians that Ukrainians are thieves), that just a gift is valuable, but we don’t value it. Only somehow no one says that as a result of such a policy, Ukraine now buys more gas in Europe than Russia. And no one accuses of theft. And to ruin the industry in the Donbas from the largest buyer is generally a cool marketing move. So Ukraine has ceased to be the biggest buyer of Russian gas. Now a minuscule for such a country. Don’t worry about us. Vaults for yesterday are 53% full.
    1. Barboskin
      Barboskin 19 November 2015 06: 43
      22
      Leonid, in something I agree with you, the colors are really thickened, however, about the fact that Ukraine has ceased to be a buyer of Russian gas, you are in vain. She buys it, only through intermediaries, and considers it European. Well, without Donbassky coal she is also not sweet, here she suffers no less than Russia, but much more. Ukraine will establish relations with LDNR, they will earn money and gas will go again.
    2. BecmepH
      BecmepH 19 November 2015 06: 46
      49
      Don’t worry about us. Vaults for yesterday are 53% full.
      )))) and heat by 53%. Yes, we have already stopped worrying about you. Now you worry about yourself. Europe will help you)))) if it itself survives
      1. Cap.Morgan
        Cap.Morgan 19 November 2015 16: 35
        +1
        That's for sure. Heating is barely barely possible, and even then it only works during the day, it is turned off at night.
        From whom Ukraine buys gas does not matter. This gas is still Russian. And gas fees will go to the Russian treasury anyway.
        1. Stanislas
          Stanislas 19 November 2015 22: 50
          +1
          Quote: Cap.Morgan
          This gas is still Russian.
          You don’t shout about it out loud, or they’ll save on it, it will be then no ne zmerzla
    3. BecmepH
      BecmepH 19 November 2015 06: 57
      24
      Only somehow no one says that as a result of such a policy Ukraine is now buying more gas in Europe than Russia
      Well, yes))) You buy Russian gas in Europe. And more expensive ... Having learned the "logic" of Ukraine, I will not be surprised if you cut gas pipes and make burzhuiks out of them. But ... Coal in Donbass, and firewood grows in Russia)))
      But it does not freeze in any way.
      So winter has not come yet. I am sure that your rhetoric will change with every degree decrease in the atmosphere.
    4. inkass_98
      inkass_98 19 November 2015 07: 34
      34
      Quote: Leonid1976
      Don’t worry about us.

      I won’t, chesslovo. I don’t worry about you for a long time. It’s somehow closer to worry about yourself. And who ditched the industry in the Donbass - look in the mirror, the answer is there.
    5. Sober
      Sober 19 November 2015 07: 41
      17
      Dear Leonid! No one wants the Ukrainians to die.
      Quote: Leonid1976
      Only somehow no one says that as a result of such a policy, Ukraine now buys more gas in Europe than Russia.

      Only at what price. There has been much talk about other aspects; I don’t want to repeat it.
      1. Leonid1976
        Leonid1976 19 November 2015 08: 40
        39 th
        Russia provides a discount. With this discount, the price is about the same. Without a discount, the price from Gazprom is generally uninteresting.
        1. inkass_98
          inkass_98 19 November 2015 08: 53
          20
          Have you forgotten about gas transit? This is the problem. Move the point of gas purchase from the western border of the Ruins to the eastern one - and fuck further as you want, here Russia is not already responsible for the further fate of gas in Central Europe. God forbid, by 2019 this question will be resolved safely, why shouldn't the brothers want sponsorship from the aggressor?
          1. Leonid1976
            Leonid1976 19 November 2015 09: 18
            12 th
            Exactly. Last year, this issue was jointly raised by the European Commission and Ukraine. For Ukraine, the plus is that it will be able to buy gas from Western companies directly in Ukraine, without a physical reversal as it is now. Russia was against referring to existing contracts.
            1. Cap.Morgan
              Cap.Morgan 19 November 2015 16: 37
              +4
              There is no physical reverse.
              A pipe is not a road. On it at the same time in both directions you will not go.
        2. nemets
          nemets 19 November 2015 21: 54
          0
          they gave you a discount while we needed you - now we just need to put it on you and then only you will start to include what you have in your head, but you don’t use it. did you guess what it is called?
      2. Leonid1976
        Leonid1976 19 November 2015 09: 28
        -6
        The price applied is the same.
        1. nemets
          nemets 19 November 2015 21: 56
          +2
          I sympathize with your father, I do not think that he expected such a result
    6. APASUS
      APASUS 19 November 2015 08: 09
      17
      Quote: Leonid1976
      Only somehow no one says that as a result of such a policy Ukraine is now buying more gas in Europe than Russia

      Don’t tell me when the gas pipelines from Europe to Ukraine were built, otherwise you, by your naivety, don’t know, take everything to the word. Maybe Ukraine already buys Qatari gas or Norwegian, but we don’t know, you tell us about global gas pipelines and construction sites over the past year
      Quote: Leonid1976
      to ruin the industry in the Donbas from the largest buyer is generally a cool marketing move.

      So you immediately blame the Russians for everything that happened in Ukraine, otherwise they just hanged Donbass
      Quote: Leonid1976
      So Ukraine has ceased to be the largest buyer of Russian gas

      The problem is not in the country, how are you trying to build a mountain here, the problem is in payment! Why is there no problem with Germany
      1. Leonid1976
        Leonid1976 19 November 2015 09: 24
        17 th
        Yes, partially Norwegian from Statoil. And indeed there are free gas pipelines on the border with Poland, Slovakia, Hungary through which Ukraine receives gas. Of course, Norwegian gas is not pumped. Statoil is changing its gas somewhere in Germany to Russian gas in Slovakia. There are problems with payment. It's true. But here and there we buy on a prepaid basis.
        1. Corsair
          Corsair 19 November 2015 09: 40
          20
          Quote: Leonid1976
          There are problems with payment. It's true. But here and there we buy on a prepaid basis.

          wassat But from this moment in more detail, please, why does your government buy gas on an prepaid basis from the EU, but does Russia turn up its nose and shake discounts? At the same time, it receives gas regularly, and sometimes refuses to pay at all. At the same time, it receives service for transit.
          Z.Y. I didn’t set minuses - I don’t see any point, you don’t look like a troll, you are just blindly trying to blame the mistakes of your government on evil Russia, everywhere we hold you down and do not let you live in peace.
        2. nemets
          nemets 19 November 2015 21: 59
          0
          that's exactly on a prepaid basis, and Russia gave payment for gas and then demanded until "yours" stopped paying. So I wouldn't be surprised if in February you start saying that you were wrong
    7. lukke
      lukke 19 November 2015 09: 10
      +5
      And to ruin the industry in the Donbas from the largest buyer is generally a cool marketing move.
      I would like to expand on this thesis? ...
      1. Leonid1976
        Leonid1976 19 November 2015 09: 27
        -6
        And I would not want to. Talk about gas. And if again it begins to find out who started the war, then again I will have 20 minuses :)
        1. Baloo
          Baloo 19 November 2015 20: 23
          +4
          Well, let's not talk about gas, but how do you like Leonid 1976 this:

          “During one of the raids to combat illegal prostitution, the Hungarian police together with Europol recently covered four brothels without the appropriate documents. Among the detainees were children: seven girls and two boys aged 8 to 12 years. All natives of Ukraine, orphans The children were kidnapped by people allegedly from the guardianship and guardianship bodies.In the course of further investigation, the police contacted Transcarpathian crime bosses, whose activities are supervised and protected by Viktor Baloga, People's Deputy of the Verkhovna Rada and part-time godfather of all Transcarpathia.
          The head of the Hungarian police, Caroli Papp, said that this peculiar criminal clan was selling Ukrainian children in a brothel in Moldova, Hungary, Romania, Poland and, possibly, further. According to him, the slave traders and the self-styled princes of western Ukraine are far from the last in the list of suspects, and all ends lead to Kiev to representatives of the highest state power. That is, in addition to the fact that the regime of the blood-chocolate king massively kills adults in the southeast, he also bargains with their children.

          Sometimes it seems that everything, Ukraine has nowhere else to fall. But no, Kiev geniuses and some locally constantly prove the opposite. You need to be a real beast to do this with your own children.
          If anyone doubted the existence of hell, welcome to Ukraine, he is already on your doorstep. "
          Note, I didn’t write it. Your opinion, what do you associate with hopes for the future for yourself and your children? hi
        2. nemets
          nemets 19 November 2015 22: 00
          +2
          what war? ATO - if I'm not mistaken. Or am I confused something again?! so who started it?
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    9. Yunik
      Yunik 19 November 2015 09: 26
      +7
      It is clear, of course, that European gas, and not Russian, is written on it. And besides, it’s 30 dollars more expensive than the Russian one, so grandmother’s ears are frostbitten. Simplicity is worse than theft. Russia still supports you in the hope of the future, politicians come and go, and people will always be.
    10. serezhasoldatow
      serezhasoldatow 19 November 2015 09: 34
      +5
      The flag is in your hands!
    11. Belgorod
      Belgorod 19 November 2015 10: 43
      +4
      Yes we do not worry
      But will you survive?
      In Kharkov, heating is turned on for two hours a day
    12. oldzek
      oldzek 19 November 2015 12: 12
      +1
      and you did not try to compare the information policy of Russia in relation to Ukraine with the information policy of Ukraine in relation to Russia? and what is the result?
    13. Don
      Don 19 November 2015 12: 24
      +2
      Quote: Leonid1976
      as a result of such a policy, Ukraine now buys more gas in Europe than Russia

      Yeah. And more expensive.
      Quote: Leonid1976
      And to ruin the industry in the Donbas from the largest buyer is generally a cool marketing move

      They didn’t kill her, but such creatures as you, with their shelling. In addition, no need to tryndet. So far, Styrene does not work, but the Khartsyzsk Pipe, Makeevkoks, Enakievsky, and the coke are working.
      Quote: Leonid1976
      Don’t worry about us. Vaults for yesterday are 53% full

      But nothing that should be 100?
      And most importantly, you didn’t understand what the author meant. It's not that they freeze or not. The fact is that thanks to such a policy your dill drives you into debt and nothing has remained of your lack of solidity.
    14. avdkrd
      avdkrd 19 November 2015 12: 39
      +6
      Quote: Leonid1976
      no one says that as a result of such a policy, Ukraine now buys more gas in Europe than Russia.

      Shaw directly buys European gas? No need to write nonsense, they will not understand you here. Who cares who buys 404 Russian gas? Before selling gas to Ukraine, Europe first buys it from Russia. Actually, it’s so much more profitable for us, since Europe is BUYING it, and not begging for a loan.
      What is the essence of your claim about "ruining the industry in Donbas from the largest buyer" ??? Did Russia ditch it? You then on the Censor. It definitely won't work here.
    15. Vladimir 1964
      Vladimir 1964 19 November 2015 13: 13
      +5
      Quote: Leonid1976
      Only somehow no one says that as a result of such a policy, Ukraine now buys more gas in Europe than Russia. And no one accuses of theft.


      So, a colleague, who will steal from the owners will allow you. Well they contain you as a kept woman, and a kept thief kept a long time. Europe is not your mother-native, and you really are not a virgin daughter.
      Something like this, colleague, you have laid down the alignment. hi
    16. Alexnder
      Alexnder 19 November 2015 13: 38
      +2
      Ha, and you try to steal from Europe .......
      Until the end of days you’ll be left without gas!
      Smart guy, damn it.
    17. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 19 November 2015 13: 39
      10
      Quote: Leonid1976
      as a result of such a policy, Ukraine now buys more gas in Europe than Russia. And no one accuses of theft ...... Here Ukraine has ceased to be the biggest buyer of Russian gas. Now a minuscule for such a country. Don’t worry about us. Vaults for yesterday are 53% full.

      We don’t worry about you anymore - we’re tired.
      We condole with you on gaining "independence from Russia" and congratulate you on getting into "complete dependence on America," which will leave you no chance of rebirth.
      You will have time to evaluate your changes, to overestimate which, there will no longer be any opportunity. In the meantime .....
      You buy European gas for almost 400 bucks, compared to Russian for 270 (back and forth 10 bucks is not the point) ...
      The fact that you give 53% of the underground storage capacity as an achievement, alas, testifies only to the complete failure of preparations for the winter. It is technologically impossible to pump gas and simultaneously lift it. Technology is not sexual intercourse (back and forth). The fact that by the winter there is only 53%, this only says that there will not be any more. And how will he get there if there are no tugriks on his purchase ?. All 53% is the entire reserve.
      Well, in the future, so as not to burden the gas transportation system of Ukraine with occupant gas, from 2019 you will cease to be a transit country in general. Those 2 billion that annually simply fell on your account for pumping Russian gas drafted to Europe will cease to flow. Congratulations It was so humiliating for you to get $ 2 billion. Have won!
      And yet, yes - European gas, this is the same Russian gas, only arriving to you in the opposite direction but already with a mark-up for your stupidity)))
    18. crumb
      crumb 19 November 2015 16: 15
      +1
      My father, an honorary miner, lives in Cherkasy in the house +15, and now when it’s not too cold outside, I ask him why don’t you drown it? So, an expensive pension of 1800 only includes heating for 3 hours a day. My sister and I send 2000 rubles each month, we hope that we will winter.
    19. Alexy
      Alexy 19 November 2015 18: 52
      0
      And what are your shoulder straps, if not secret?
    20. Baloo
      Baloo 19 November 2015 20: 07
      +5
      “Problem number 1 in Ukraine was considered to be the panic fear of Russian interference, the hysteria around which was and continues to be wrapped up by the local media. inability (or better to say - unwillingness) the new government to keep its promises. NI concludes that Ukraine is its own enemy. What can this mean for the development of the entire Ukrainian crisis? Perhaps, the fact that Washington will try to shift the burden of maintaining Ukraine onto Moscow and the EU. And also the fact that the desire of Kiev and part of the American elites for confrontation is growing. They would very much like to switch the attention of the population from social problems to news from the front. Russia and the Donbass republics should be prepared for such a development of events, "writes The National Interest, which cannot be accused of sympathy for Russia.
      So that, Leonid1976. Let's see what Ukraine will bring in 2017 when the moratorium on the sale of Ukrainian land to foreign indicators ends. Tell me Leonid 1976Are you satisfied with the colonial administration in the person of internationally wanted foreigners who went through Soros courses? Are you aware that this Soros’s business is ruining this states, train the "elite" and plant their own tame government?
      Did you know that Yatsenyukh frankly stated that he did not consider Ukraine his historical Homeland, that he had more passports than Kalomoy’s?
      Can't you see that the protege of American Scientologists Senya Yatsenyukh purposefully and consistently destroys the economy of Ukraine, squeezes the population out of the country by refugees, kills people in the Donbass, in order to free the territory from the population, like in Syria, the anti-Syrian coalition ISIS-Saudita_USA. According to last year's data, the main landowner-Porosenko-300 thousand hectares, these are data from Ukrainian sources.
      Do you buy gas in a geyrop due to a reverse cheaper than from Russia? Yes you are a romantic! Flag in your hands, a drum on your neck, wind in your back and wish you not to cough. wassat fool bully
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    22. nemets
      nemets 19 November 2015 21: 50
      +1
      buy in Europe, who is stopping you. only there the price is 1,5-2,5 times higher, unnoticeable. and the fact that it was precisely in Ukraine that people from hopelessness came up with waste oil stoves are an indication that the government does not care about the population. Khokhlam is called just thieves from the government of Ukraine. PEOPLE - LITTLE RUSSIANS And the remnants of Bandera from Galicia
    23. marl
      marl 19 November 2015 23: 19
      +1
      Quote: Leonid1976
      Don’t worry about us.

      And why worry about you, you in Australia (it’s written in your profile) will not freeze, it’s warm there.

      Quote: Leonid1976
      And to ruin the industry in Donbas from the largest buyer

      But from this place in more detail, if you can, who all the same ditched your industry in the Donbass.

      By the way, if you are not in the know, direct gas supplies from the Russian Federation have been going to the southeast since February 2015.
  6. parusnik
    parusnik 19 November 2015 06: 35
    10
    But Ukraine does not want to rise. ..Born to crawl, cannot fly ...
  7. olimpiada15
    olimpiada15 19 November 2015 06: 40
    16
    "The choice of the people is the choice of God"
    With the advent of American democracy, the people have not chosen anything for a long time. But he cannot rise. What to dissemble, there was a popular wave of rise in Kharkov in 2014, they suppressed. People suffered and did not achieve anything, about Odessa and there is nothing to say — those who were not finished off in the House of Trade Unions, finished off at the building, those who were able to survive in the prison are rotten.
    Who else has doubts that
    after democratization, not a single nation can do anything-
    all performances is a paid organized company, where naive and idle onlookers are connected. All this is promoted in pocket media - and Olya-la! National performances took place !!!
    After which the people are declared that it was the will of the people, the people are to blame for everything.
    1. Cap.Morgan
      Cap.Morgan 19 November 2015 08: 58
      +8
      What is suppressed?
      Sat quietly in the corners, doing their own thing.
      How many rallies were there? 2-3 thousand? The rest of what they did.
      Barbecue, beer, cottages ... There are millions of cities. Folk performances ....
      It would have left 100 thousand now, and from Ukraine there would have remained only memories.
  8. aszzz888
    aszzz888 19 November 2015 06: 51
    +6
    General Frost will still say his weighty word.
    But the people there have already got used to everything. Of course, not all will endure these cold weather, and the extreme ones will again be "damned".
  9. meriem1
    meriem1 19 November 2015 06: 56
    +5
    Truth be told, how many wolves do not feed, and the elephant is still more. How many do not try to help a country that with perseverance worthy of a much better use and decided to die will not help. We often write about the government of Ukraine. But past regional elections have shown that this choice is not only, not so much the government, but the people. Hatred, brought up during the years of independence, covers the eyes. Let him die, but that the northern neighbor was bad.


    What to do! You can’t put your head down. Winter is harsh. In the spring we will see the results.
    1. German Titov
      German Titov 19 November 2015 08: 07
      +5
      Do you really think that the elections were "vna"?
  10. Zomanus
    Zomanus 19 November 2015 06: 59
    +5
    They will not let Ukraine die and freeze.
    Support until warmth and
    then they will carefully begin to rip the country for debts.
    Again, the gas pipeline SP-2 to Germany needs to be completed
    and that until the launch of the SP-2 there would be no gas problems in Europe.
    And she has enough problems without it ...
    So we don’t really wait, just look.
  11. inkass_98
    inkass_98 19 November 2015 07: 01
    +6
    Alexander, expressions must be selected more carefully. Mammoths did not freeze for the simple reason that they were well adapted to the environment, they were more likely killed by the human factor and the warming that had begun.
    And the "domina" is by no means a house on a nightingale, but quite the opposite - a coffin.
    1. V.ic
      V.ic 19 November 2015 08: 30
      +2
      Quote: inkass_98
      Mammoths did not freeze for the simple reason that they were well adapted to the environment, they were rather destroyed by the human factor

      The length of the hairline of mammoths reached up to 40 cm / in adults / and even the undercoat. They did not freeze, but homo sapiens were simply exterminated. It is necessary not to miss a whole mountain of meat, wool and durable hides! In written sources about Siberia it is noted that the autochthonous peoples of Siberia in the past millennium could meet with these "hairy elephants", although mb. this is from the realm of fiction ...
      1. inkass_98
        inkass_98 19 November 2015 08: 55
        +2
        They could have met in the same way as they are now - in the form of carcasses washed from permafrost by rivers, landslides, etc.
        1. Baloo
          Baloo 19 November 2015 21: 19
          0
          What is the argument about? Mammoths became extinct from hunger and cold, and not from heat. Somewhere a meteorite fell, the axis shifted, the ice age began.
          Correct if I'm wrong.
          1. a housewife
            a housewife 19 November 2015 23: 55
            0
            It is proved by scientists - mammoths were simply eaten!
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  12. boris-1230
    boris-1230 19 November 2015 07: 04
    +3
    About the people, Shakespeare said: windmill. They think a little and endure a lot
  13. Volga Cossack
    Volga Cossack 19 November 2015 07: 05
    +3
    still a bit and Freeze -will again cry ..........
  14. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 19 November 2015 07: 12
    +8
    past regional elections showed that this is a choice not only, not even so much of the government, as of the people

    I agree with the author. When a part of the population supports the government, which this population is gradually plaguing, then probably this part is consciously (no matter how many years they have been hammered with hatred for a neighbor) ready for suicide. That's just for the sake of what ghostly goals. Independence? But Ukraine is under the external control of the United States. EU Membership? But everyone already understands that this country is not expected there. You can continue to list, but still, that part of the population about which the author writes does not understand this.
  15. Al_oriso
    Al_oriso 19 November 2015 07: 28
    +8
    It will soon come to the point that Russia will owe Ukraine gas.
    And they will confirm with pictures of freezing senior citizens.
  16. City
    City 19 November 2015 07: 29
    +5
    Well, it’s time soon it’s time to heat the furniture with the stove, but to prepare the quilted jackets!)))
    1. nemets
      nemets 19 November 2015 22: 06
      +1
      quilted jackets - that’s what the catch will be))) better than freezing than putting on
  17. slizhov
    slizhov 19 November 2015 07: 34
    17
    Only lazy in Senin bromportret not spit ...
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  19. Neophyte
    Neophyte 19 November 2015 07: 50
    +3
    It is the stubbornness of the population of the Ruins, poisoned by hatred and envy of Russia,
    is the main problem of this pseudo-state!
    1. Sober
      Sober 19 November 2015 09: 02
      +1
      Exactly! With hatred, the mind is lost.
      Quote: Neophyte
      hate poisoned
    2. Cap.Morgan
      Cap.Morgan 19 November 2015 09: 03
      +1
      The population is not as uniform as it seems.
      The older generation is pro-Russian, like a significant part of the population of the eastern regions.
  20. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 19 November 2015 08: 09
    +5
    So it remained - a little. Stop worrying about the "crazy" neighbor, let at least burn your house in the winter to warm up. The revolution is like that. Dignity greatly increases. And the degrees in apartments - lowers. The well-being of the oligarchs who have divided power increases. And those who brought them to power - on the contrary.
  21. Gur
    Gur 19 November 2015 09: 07
    0
    Yes, I’m also sure that without the support of the people, this Bendery power did not sag so much and I think that Bender didn’t rattle in a tambourine, but this is the strongest way to salt
  22. SPB 1221
    SPB 1221 19 November 2015 09: 20
    +3
    "Don't worry about us. Storage facilities are 53% full yesterday."

    And how many percent of your heads are filled with brains? Although what I ask, each decision of an egghead and its gang is a complete idiocy !!!
  23. Taygerus
    Taygerus 19 November 2015 09: 24
    +4
    frostbitten will not freeze, but normal people feel sorry
    1. nemets
      nemets 19 November 2015 22: 10
      0
      most of the normal ones are already in Russia. the rest are either in militia units or in opposite units. there is no choice
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  25. press officer
    press officer 19 November 2015 09: 31
    13
    Quote: Leonid1976
    For more than a decade, Russia has been saying that Ukraine will freeze without Russian gas, stealing gas (no one has sued the truth. But it remains in the head of the Russians that Ukrainians are thieves), that just a gift is valuable, but we don’t value it. Only somehow no one says that as a result of such a policy, Ukraine now buys more gas in Europe than Russia. And no one accuses of theft.


    laughing laughing laughing true "Ukrainian"! skip ahead comrades former neighbors! Buy our gas from EUropa in three ways - you crawl the right way! good Forgot how you already chopped off the gas for not paying in 2009 when Tymoshenko taxied? Yes, there are 100 such cases for every year! And we also gave you discounts ... why in vain! No.
    And we are not worried about you! No. Why do we need "Nebrotya" not remembering kinship and killing their citizens just like that! Let eUropa worry about you now! yes He pays for you, feeds you, and we'll see how long it lasts, if now you have a suitcase without a handle for her. lol
    So at least drown with peas, we do not care! Say thank you for not cutting everything off! Use it for now ... until 2019 .. bully
    PS - If you think that we "fought or are at war" - look at Syria. For comparison. Where would you be even last summer ?! Or is such a visual way of "bringing to the world" still not clear to the ukrop brain? Will you be friends with IS ... or help them ... expect a "symmetrical answer" from us soldier
    1. nemets
      nemets 19 November 2015 22: 13
      0
      better asymmetric - turn off the gas, block the ports, and in the PMR we block the roads from the UDR (Ukrainian. shit. rep.) and that's it.
  26. Dzimka
    Dzimka 19 November 2015 09: 37
    21
    Leonid 1976, apparently you are not a youth - therefore I will not be rude. And probably you are my compatriot from Ukraine. Whom do you defend and justify? My neighbor in the yard is crying - she cut the subsidized limit by half + the price has risen. And she deserved benefits due to hard work, and besides, she is 83 years old and not in the cold at this age. I don’t drown at home right now, because I’m afraid of breaking out of the limit (my salary has not been growing since 2013). They don’t drown at work, people are indignant, but I understand the director and owner of my enterprise. So what are you talking about? If you are from Kiev, there are still many regions where people are not sweet. Electric convectors fly away like pies from the shelves, and for many electric networks the old ones, how it all ends is not yet clear. If it weren’t for the support of Russia and Europe, we would surely have already worn out like mammoths. So do not spread lies. Maybe there is 53% of fullness there, but only these percentages still need to be bought out by the population for their private use at their own expense. And pensioners may not pull such a “feat”.
  27. serezhasoldatow
    serezhasoldatow 19 November 2015 09: 40
    +2
    Leonid1976 should be appointed instead of Yaytsenyuk, and then Russia will "bend" from the excess of gas, and Khokhlyandiya will bloom in full bloom. Although she already "blooms" with might and main.
    1. Victor_24
      Victor_24 19 November 2015 12: 09
      +4
      You will come back from Syria, do a circle over Kiev .... Thank you
      1. nemets
        nemets 19 November 2015 22: 15
        0
        would be glad but we observe world law unlike your allies))
    2. oldzek
      oldzek 19 November 2015 12: 19
      0
      blooms and "smells" ....
  28. Denis Skiff
    Denis Skiff 19 November 2015 09: 53
    0
    Quote: oldav
    A week I called it that gas on 4 of the day. What is drowning now?

    a week ago, the president was informed that they had enough gas until spring. Russians do not freeze out like that. and in Ukraine, though bad, but Russians.
  29. An64
    An64 19 November 2015 10: 09
    0
    This was written last year. This was written about this year. And, unless our forecast comes true, they will write until 2019.

    Well what to say? The absolute absence of a real assessment of the situation and forecasting. I wouldn’t let such analysts into a cannon shot to develop proposals.
  30. Bagno new
    Bagno new 19 November 2015 10: 22
    -2
    these homegrown scribblers have already pulled up ... every year the Khokhloma is buried and she still does not cool to death ... maybe something is wrong here?
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    2. Igor_kh
      Igor_kh 19 November 2015 10: 57
      -2
      Quote: BagnoNew
      these homegrown scribblers have already pulled up ... every year the Khokhloma is buried and she still does not cool to death ... maybe something is wrong here?


      last year they were afraid of the cold a thousand times more, this year the "hackers" have clearly calmed down, they are guessing about something ..)
    3. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 19 November 2015 18: 11
      +1
      Quote: BagnoNew
      these homegrown scribblers have already pulled up ... every year the Khokhloma is buried and she still does not cool to death ... maybe something is wrong here?

      Yes, that's right.
      The benefit of winter has not happened in a fierce winter for these two years. And so everyone already understood that the treatment was useless, the patient was hopeless and, in delirium, tearing bandages and patches with the requirement of another injection of morphine i.e. financial infusion.
      Only in Western medicine, where "Khokhloma" rushed, they increasingly resort to euthanasia than with treatment with dubious success. One injection and tight.
      Let's wait a bit more. And there, as usual - 9 years, 40 years, a century ...
      1. Bagno new
        Bagno new 19 November 2015 23: 36
        +1
        the problem is that all these raguli actively climb into our squirrels ... and then they get a job for a salary half as much .... all businesses are certainly gaining them ... the prices are being knocked down by all kinds of builders there too ... and nothing to do ... though today I read that from January 1, in connection with a new wave of mobilization they will cease to release .... m. and we’ll be lucky and they will subside .. or maybe they’ll run away ...
    4. Sober
      Sober 19 November 2015 22: 28
      +1
      Quote: Denis-Skiff
      Russians do not freeze out like that. and in Ukraine, though bad, but Russians.

      Yes, that’s the answer. Russians are adapted to difficulties like no other.
  31. Serdyukov
    Serdyukov 19 November 2015 10: 42
    -4
    Dreamers dream of "the collapse of Ukraine"
    It’s up!
    In 2014, it was possible to push and Bandera would fall in Southern Ukraine (Novorossia), it leaked everything on GDP, Mozgovoy spanked his friends, Strelkov was kicked out ....

    Now Putenskaya RF will most likely fall apart. When salaries fall and life becomes difficult :(
    1. Erg
      Erg 19 November 2015 10: 55
      +1
      Your brains were so powdered that you missed this fact. There is no longer that Ukraine. There is another. And then there will be another, but small ...
      1. Igor_kh
        Igor_kh 19 November 2015 11: 11
        -1
        prerequisites for this are not visible.
        1. Erg
          Erg 19 November 2015 12: 12
          0
          So I'm talking about too. What don't you see yes
      2. a housewife
        a housewife 20 November 2015 00: 02
        0
        There is no Ukraine. Have Cain.
    2. Igor_kh
      Igor_kh 19 November 2015 11: 10
      -3
      Kassad hinted that LPR is in charge of Surkov, if so, then Mozgovoy’s death with guards and a married couple with a pregnant woman is also on his conscience.
      1. Serdyukov
        Serdyukov 19 November 2015 11: 14
        -1
        Taking into account the fact that no one took responsibility on the part of the Ukrainian battalions (except for the fake that flashed in the Surkovsk media). And given the fact that the operation was carried out without a hitch, this is definitely the work of the "family" of Vladimir Vladimirovich.
        Watering his people - his team has always been able to. (how many journalists and politicians have been killed in the Russian Federation lately and not one real customer has been found).
        1. Igor_kh
          Igor_kh 19 November 2015 11: 17
          -1
          I doubt about the murdered politicians (Nemtsov, perhaps), but from the planted Mukhin, Mironov also got the National Bolshevik that Makarevich hit in the face for three years. They do not like mediocre ideological, they are afraid.
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  32. Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 19 November 2015 10: 49
    +1
    Fools, one word. It is clear that gas is needed; you need to buy it; except for Russian gas - there is no other gas, even if it is labeled "European". It is clear that coal is needed; you need to buy it, and not in South Africa - but where it was traditionally taken.

    Ukraine is not a country where you can sing songs about solar panels; too early.
    And it is necessary to stop the moronic inventions about firewood, sawdust, dung, warming.

    So far, the impression is that a pagan sacrifice is being prepared for the gods of Warm Weather, probably with human sacrifices. laughing
  33. litus
    litus 19 November 2015 10: 56
    +1
    With the current state of industry and the energy blockade of Donbass, Ukraine will calmly survive the winter without winter gas supplies. Do not forget that the Russian Federation independently supplies gas to Donbass, of course, there is no talk of paying for supplies to the DPR / LPR. Therefore, as much as we would not like to see the gas collapse among the "busty" people in winter, we are unlikely to see it.
    1. nemets
      nemets 19 November 2015 22: 21
      0
      "Ukraine with the current state of industry and the energy blockade of Donbass will calmly survive the winter without winter gas supplies." I have not heard a more stupid statement. The state of industry - more than 60% of enterprises are on the verge of bankruptcy; energetically, Ukraine depends on Russia; plus debts on government bonds.
  34. YaMZ-238
    YaMZ-238 19 November 2015 11: 26
    +1
    Maybe not the topic, but came across an interesting decree ....

    EMC DECREE of 1876)))))
  35. Belousov
    Belousov 19 November 2015 11: 26
    -2
    Hmm ... If the topic "gas payment-freeze / will not freeze" is raised again, it means autumn is in the yard, this is already like a national omen.
    I would like to hope that our leadership is adamant that they will really cut off gas supplies for non-payment, but as the latest initiative with debt restructuring shows, our leaders have already caved in, no matter how they try to scream about Putin's next "brilliant plan." Even if Western countries and organizations sign up as guarantors, where is the guarantee that they will comply with these conditions? Yanukovych was also given written guarantees, but as a result these guarantees lasted 12-18 hours.
  36. Mantykora
    Mantykora 19 November 2015 11: 44
    +2
    We often write about the government of Ukraine. But the past regional elections showed that this is a choice not only, not even so much of the government, as of the people. Hatred brought up over the years of independence covers our eyes. Let him die, but that the northern neighbor was ill.

    An author or provocateur or just a very stupid person. A third of the population came to the polls, most of them old people who are already close to the grave and with a telly instead of the brain. Of this third, part of the spoiled ballots. Well, we still need to estimate that the CEC cheated with interest there. Even spit on interest - if only Poproshaenko voted with government and Zrada - the elections would be held valid - there is no lower threshold ...

    The remaining 2/3 of the population simply did not understand the sorts of crap, more than that there is nothing to disassemble. After all, "elections" are "very democratic." The same Communist Party was not allowed to see them at all. Tell the people themselves are to blame ?! Are you the smartest and know what to do in such a situation? Yes, they would sit in the holes in the same way until they press down and start shooting ...

    By the way, the provocateur here is not only the author, but also half of those who comment.
    1. Victor_24
      Victor_24 19 November 2015 12: 10
      +2
      Voter turnout 21,4%
    2. Erg
      Erg 19 November 2015 12: 26
      +2
      I think it is clear to many here that strict censorship is in effect in the "nezalezhnoy", and being decent and sane is dangerous to health. But there is also a personal experience of communicating with "brothers" (or non-brothers, in your opinion). And this experience says that Ukraine's trouble is not only in the government ...
    3. domokl
      domokl 19 November 2015 12: 59
      +1
      We have already gone through this in Russia. Even here there are such smarties. I did not vote for him, which means that there is no fault of mine either ... I would probably agree with you if 80 percent of my acquaintances and acquaintances did not turn into completely insane personalities. And these are far from children. And it just became impossible to communicate with them. Even on everyday topics
    4. nemets
      nemets 19 November 2015 22: 24
      0
      in the 90s, we and you had the same situation. Or will you deny it?! we chose the right president in the end, but you don’t. Who is to blame?
  37. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 19 November 2015 11: 57
    0
    The author just needs to remember last winter. How did it happen that Ukraine did not freeze? Then think, for at least one minute, whether Ukraine will freeze this winter? And stop writing nonsense. The Ukrainian lobby in the Kremlin fights three skins from dear Russians so that "our Ukrainian partners" would be well fed, warm and blissful. Billions that you know who forgive them will be allowed to go to war. You yourself know who is the main sponsor of the Ukrainian government and the Donbas massacre, that's the whole cunning plan.
    1. domokl
      domokl 19 November 2015 12: 55
      +2
      And who is the main sponsor? Who organized the Maidan, who elected the president, who formed the government ..
      Already somehow it is not funny. You already decide who this sponsor is, friend or foe ... Unless of course I correctly guessed
      1. Sober
        Sober 19 November 2015 22: 58
        +1
        Yes, some vague comments went.
  38. HaKim
    HaKim 19 November 2015 12: 31
    0
    New Maidan? Go to more oppressive poverty!
  39. Mantykora
    Mantykora 19 November 2015 12: 35
    +2
    Quote: Erg
    I think it is clear to many here that strict censorship is in effect in the "nezalezhnoy", and being decent and sane is dangerous to health. But there is also a personal experience of communicating with "brothers" (or non-brothers, in your opinion). And this experience says that Ukraine's trouble is not only in the government ...

    And someone said that the only trouble is in the government? But the fish rots from the head. Public opinion in any country is formed from above - no matter where - in America, in Europe, Ukraine or Russia. The longer the propaganda will act, the more trouble Ukraine will be not only in the government ... Remember the "Inhabited Island" of the Strugatskys - the longer the towers operate, the worse ...
    1. Erg
      Erg 19 November 2015 14: 58
      0
      The point of no return has been passed ... Another collapsed country. Another people who traded freedom for "lace panties" ...
  40. Naval
    Naval 19 November 2015 13: 01
    +2
    it is a choice not only, not even so much of the government, as of the people. Hatred brought up over the years of independence blinds one's eyes. Let him die, but that the northern neighbor was ill.

    Psychiatry in the early 20th century used wrapping in a cold, wet sheet and klister tubes to treat many mental illnesses. Maybe the "brotherly people" decided to cure the brain maydaun in this way? Glory to the Ruin!
  41. Rigla
    Rigla 19 November 2015 13: 08
    +1
    The most important thing is not to be carried on by their crying "we are brothers" all this ukriya should freeze to death. These are not neighbors but enemies.
    1. Cap.Morgan
      Cap.Morgan 19 November 2015 16: 56
      0
      "Brothers", even the most adequate do nothing in this situation. All the courage is enough to play on the net. Someone else must partisan for them.
  42. Wolka
    Wolka 19 November 2015 13: 24
    +2
    no longer touches ...
  43. Kaban45
    Kaban45 19 November 2015 13: 35
    +2
    Campaign them all there psaki bit! European gas, well!
  44. yousha1980
    yousha1980 19 November 2015 14: 25
    +4
    After all, the fact that the leadership of our country gives Ukraine some concessions, openly or secretly from its people, is a wise act. They do not allow to quickly destroy part of their people, who call themselves Ukrainians, and its territory. This is called a strategy. It is necessary to treat these expenses as investments in the future of our state, as well as investments in the armed forces. I think understanding people on their side will appreciate this when the anti-Russian intoxication dissipates. And the opinion of the "hamsters" on the side - "the dog barks - the wind blows." Time is playing on our country. Sooner or later, whether someone wants or does not want, all or parts of Ukraine will be in union relations with Russia. And the attitude of "hamsters" will change over time with the shutdown of hostile media.
    1. Sober
      Sober 19 November 2015 23: 01
      0
      I fully support you.
  45. Tomich2
    Tomich2 19 November 2015 14: 32
    -1
    How much they write about Ukraine on this portal nowhere else they write so much, apparently they pay decently for the same thing, I don’t give a damn about this country
  46. Stena
    Stena 19 November 2015 14: 51
    +3
    I quote - "Well, the choice of the people is the choice of God." Who invented this?
    You ask Pontius Pilate for the validity of this statement ....
    Here is a strange situation - they write to us that Ukrainians are doing badly. And they write to them - that everything is bad with us.
    What for? Tell me, if in Kiev they vote for Klitschko, in the regions - for the existing government - what does this mean? Either the election results are rigged, or everyone is happy with everything. If everything suits them - why write that everything is bad with them? They then think differently. Well, why then go to "a strange monastery with its own charter"?
  47. Cap.Morgan
    Cap.Morgan 19 November 2015 16: 54
    +1
    We will cut off Ukrainian gas - it is transit to us, which means that our gas will not be sold in Europe. So cash flow will not go into our pockets. The Americans will immediately get into the place of the Russian supplier - they will carry gas from America or the Middle East by tankers.
    So everything is very shaky and interconnected.
  48. wicked pinnochio
    wicked pinnochio 19 November 2015 17: 22
    0
    or maybe they don’t give money to drown anyway
  49. 15ghost10
    15ghost10 19 November 2015 18: 07
    0
    https://youtu.be/nytZjXP0DIk

    Pure Euroopeisky!
  50. starwars
    starwars 19 November 2015 18: 50
    +1
    Die Ukraine and leave the people alone!