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Lack of retaliation: Russia uses the entire shock potential of VKS against ISIS

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November 17 occurred two important and partially related events. It was officially announced that the crash of the passenger aircraft AirbusA321, owned by the Russian airline "Kogalymavia" was a terrorist act - in general, a large news it did not, all indirect signs pointed to this. The reaction was more interesting - a massive strategic and long-range strike aviation The aerospace forces (VKS) of the Russian Federation for purposes in the so-called capital of the “Islamic State” (the organization is prohibited in Russia) - Raqqa. It has been officially stated that the strike was carried out using 12 Tu-22M3 long-range supersonic bombers, 5 Tu-95MS strategic bombers and 6 Tu-160 supersonic strategic bombers. Aircraft fired 34 cruise missiles.

The first combat use of strategic aviation and air-based cruise missiles

An interesting fact is that the Tu-95 and Tu-160 bombers were used in real combat conditions for the first time - just like the strategic air-based cruise missiles they carry. The highlight of the program was the use of the latest X-101 cruise missiles, the maximum launch range of which can reach 5500 km, with the highest accuracy. Judging by the video released by the Ministry of Defense of Russia, at least 6 of such cruise missiles from the Tu-160 was used - this is the maximum load of this aircraft, if this ammunition is used. In addition, a significant number of more familiar X-555 cruise missiles were launched - a non-nuclear modification of the X-55CM rocket, which is the basis for the Tu-160 and Tu-95MS, and has a maximum launch range of up to 2500 km.

Recall REGNUM reported about the possibility of “running in” X-101 in Syria October 7, when the Caspian flotilla Russia struck ISIS targets with Caliber cruise missiles

Russia threw into the fight against LIH almost everything that is in VKS


In fact, to date, Russia has exhausted all the possible reserves of strengthening its group of videoconferencing in Syria. The Khmeimim airbase is being used on the verge of its capabilities, so an increase in the number of tactical aircraft in Syria will be extremely problematic. It will be possible to strengthen the grouping if Iraq or Iran provide such an opportunity. In the meantime, you can count on long-range and strategic aviation, but its use is much more expensive, and the intensity of departures is much lower, since the same Tu-22М3 take off from Mozdok and make a considerable way to the target and back. Sadly, in this situation the only Russian aircraft carrier is practically useless - the heavy aircraft carrier “Admiral Kuznetsov”. In addition to its low reliability and difficulties with the supply of ammunition when they are exhausted, it contains only 12 multipurpose MiG-29K fighters capable of carrying high-precision weapon the air-to-surface, the 14 33 can carry only unguided weapons, while moreover they cannot take off from the deck with a full combat load (their main task is to fight against air targets).

There is one more problem - small stocks of modern high-precision aviation weapons. In fact, there are no reserves as such - the saturation of the troops with these products was minimal at the time of the start of the operation in Syria: the mass production of such products began only about a year ago. Given that the troops in 2014 received about 100 modern combat aircraft, it was possible to find only Soviet-made weapons in the warehouses, which did not allow them to fully unleash the potential of the new winged vehicles. In fact, at the moment, all products manufactured by Tactical Missiles, go to Syria. No wonder the factories of the corporation went to work in three shifts. Therefore, a dramatic increase in the air group can lead to a lack of high-precision ammunition and will have to be content with “cast iron” (free-fall bombs such as FAB-500, etc.), which are now used quite widely, but cannot be used within the city, due to the high risk the defeat of the civilian population.

Thus, the military operation in Syria has shown both the many positive aspects of the modern Russian videoconferencing system and its weaknesses that must be eliminated in the future. In the first place, this concerns the production and stockpiling of aviation weapons meeting the modern requirements.
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  1. EFA
    EFA 18 November 2015 05: 18 New
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    Well, it couldn’t be otherwise; the reaction was needed at times more serious than the previous attacks.
    I think the beards of the last vestiges of hope went on their heels, along with other vital organs.

    And yet, not that it was obvious, but the share of PR and "shock" impact on partners is also present. Everything goes like clockwork ...
    1. oldseaman1957
      oldseaman1957 18 November 2015 05: 24 New
      46
      What can you do ... - We can assume that the Russian Army is just reborn. It is not so scary that modern weapons are still few. The main thing is a combat run-in, an understanding of what is needed in the first place. And it is worth a lot.
      PS For ISIS in Syria and THIS for now - head over heels!
      1. SSR
        SSR 18 November 2015 05: 44 New
        34
        The author makes some one-sided conclusions from the position of "everything is bad" and I would like to ask him a simple question.
        Periodically, the YES conducts exercises, and so on and so forth .... So why if the YES combined combat duty, the exercises and actually completed the Battle Task in practice, should this be interpreted as Russia has exhausted its resources?
        Almost 99% of specialists dream of putting their knowledge and skills into practice, but this opportunity is not provided.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 18 November 2015 05: 51 New
          58
          There is another problem - the small reserves of modern high-precision aircraft weapons.
          For the author, the signature stamp does not secretly exist, the author knows everything! How much and what was delivered, how much and what is in stock.
          In fact, at the moment, all the products manufactured by the Tactical Missile Weapons Corporation are going to Syria.
          The author even knows what Putin himself does not know.
          It is sad that in this situation the only Russian aircraft carrier is practically useless - the heavy aircraft carrier cruiser Admiral Kuznetsov.
          I suggest this Author Nersisyan Leonid send a deck to Kuznetsov. Although there will be some benefit from it.
          1. Ruslan67
            Ruslan67 18 November 2015 06: 02 New
            11
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            I propose this. Author Leonid Nersisyan to send a deck to Kuznetsov

            No. Will scratch fool
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 18 November 2015 06: 03 New
              17
              Quote: Ruslan67
              Will scratch

              Tongue does not scratch, look how gently licks.
              1. My address
                My address 18 November 2015 08: 39 New
                +6
                Looked at the articles Nersisyan.

                Carefully read this article and the first comments.

                Concluded:
                Nersisyan is a fan of Armenia and Russia;
                I am not worthy to be a "marshal". request
                1. Baikonur
                  Baikonur 18 November 2015 09: 35 New
                  +1
                  Yeah! Do not worry!
                  Russia threw into the fight against LIH almost everything that is in VKS

                  Not everything, but I experienced all kinds! Why do you think the reserves are out of stock? Maybe the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation can also be called Holodrans?
                  Either near or intentionally - brain sabotage!
                  weaknesses that need to be addressed in the future. First of all, this concerns the production and creation of stocks that meet the modern requirements of aviation weapons.

                  You were not asked about stocks and modern requirements!
                  On the contrary, there is an update, increase, modernization of stocks of weapons!
                  1. Valentine
                    Valentine 18 November 2015 11: 11 New
                    +3
                    You, Baikonur, do not pay attention to this nagging
                    silk-operator. Go to the Regnum-resource, this is the twin brother of Echo, where he hangs around, and that says it all.
            2. dmi.pris
              dmi.pris 18 November 2015 08: 54 New
              -1
              Should they scrub the deck?
              Quote: Ruslan67
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              I propose this. Author Leonid Nersisyan to send a deck to Kuznetsov

              No. Will scratch fool
          2. GRAY
            GRAY 18 November 2015 06: 59 New
            +1
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            For the author, the signature stamp does not secretly exist, the author knows everything!

            Her eyes hurt too. If only I would throw a reference, I may also want to see what is there and how many are in stock.
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            I propose this. Author Leonid Nersisyan to send a deck to Kuznetsov

            It’s better to drag under the keel - it’s refreshing.
          3. nersmail
            18 November 2015 07: 00 New
            15
            The fact that the same conventional R-27 was until recently the main aviation missile in the air units, in my opinion, knew almost everyone who was stupidly fond of this issue. As well as the fact that KTRV only last / this year began to launch innovative projects in series. Anyone can write insults. It is unclear where "alarmism" and "liberalism" are. Somewhere it was written that "everything is bad"? Or are there precise inventory lists? Conclusions are made on the basis of indirect indications, which are described in the article.
            1. GRAY
              GRAY 18 November 2015 08: 16 New
              0
              Quote: nersmail
              Conclusions are made on indirect grounds, which are described in the article.

              By indirect evidence, NATO does not have nuclear weapons. After all, they do not use it.
          4. XXL
            XXL 18 November 2015 07: 14 New
            15
            "I suggest this Author Nersisyan Leonid send the deck to Kuznetsov to scrub. At least some benefit from him will be"

            The author made logical and reasonable arguments, and you have one chatter.
            1. aleks 62 next
              aleks 62 next 18 November 2015 09: 46 New
              0
              ..... The author gave logical and reasonable arguments, but you have one chatter .....

              .... It is doubtful .... Infa passed that only X-25 missiles (and this is a high-precision weapon) in warehouses of about 25 thousand pieces .... hi
              1. Bongo
                Bongo 18 November 2015 09: 52 New
                +7
                Quote: aleks 62 next
                . It is doubtful .... There was infa that only X-25 missiles (and this is a high-precision weapon) in warehouses of about 25 thousand pieces ...

                Really? No. This is the total number of manufactured SDs since the start of production in 1976. Most of these products, now alas, are inoperative.
                1. aleks 62 next
                  aleks 62 next 18 November 2015 13: 40 New
                  -2
                  ..... This is the total number of manufactured SDs since the start of production in 1976. Most of these products, now alas, are inoperable ....


                  .... Those that are inoperative are not stored on shelves in RTB ..... They have been disposed of for a long time .... Yes, and the quantity is not so large (25 thousand) ..... If you are such an expert, then pliz for everyone to see the standard of ammunition for 1 plane .... Or do you seriously think that for 1 plane - missiles for one flight ???? lol
                  1. Bongo
                    Bongo 18 November 2015 13: 47 New
                    +6
                    Quote: aleks 62 next
                    Those that are inoperative are not stored on shelves in RTBs ....

                    Have you seen how they are stored? Well, then tell everyone about the storage conditions and how the "resource extension" occurs.
                    Quote: aleks 62 next
                    If you are such a connoisseur, then pliz for all to see the standard of ammunition on an 1 plane .... Or do you seriously think that on an 1 plane there are missiles for one flight ????

                    Naturally, I don’t think so fool But the number of guided weapons in combat bomber and assault regiments has significantly decreased compared with Soviet times.
                    1. aleks 62 next
                      aleks 62 next 18 November 2015 14: 23 New
                      +1
                      .... Have you seen how they are stored? ...

                      ..... I saw ... In bulk (heap) ... laughing ... But seriously, in containers and on shelves ....

                      But the number of guided weapons in combat bomber and assault regiments, compared with Soviet times, decreased significantly ....

                      ..... Of course, it has decreased .... Just as the number of carriers (aircraft) has also decreased .... The same SU-24 has become 3 times less .... But no one has canceled the ammunition supply for one aircraft .. .And in general: ".... The peak of mass production fell on the second half of the 80s. After the collapse of the Soviet Union, only Kh-25ML missiles were in production, the production volume of which significantly decreased. The last missiles were manufactured in 1997 ... .. "..... hi
                      1. Bongo
                        Bongo 18 November 2015 14: 31 New
                        +5
                        Quote: aleks 62 next
                        .. But seriously, in containers and on shelves ....

                        Glad for you, about the same stored SAM for C-300PS.
                        Quote: aleks 62 next
                        Of course it has decreased .... Just as the number of carriers (planes) has decreased .... The same SU-24 has become 3 times smaller ..

                        I know this firsthand, I watched the "reorganization" and the unification of the BAP with Pereyaslovka and the Khurbinskiy 277th BAP.

                        Quote: aleks 62 next
                        The peak of mass production came in the second half of the 80's. After the collapse of the Soviet Union, only X-25ML missiles were in production, the output of which decreased significantly. The last missiles were made in 1997 year ..

                        It's all the more strange when you write about 25000 X-25 in stock. what Ammunition norms are not known to me, it is better to talk to the "ancient" on this topic. But I know what the guarantee resource of the 5V55R missile defense system is for the S-300PS and how it is "extended". I don’t think so. that the extreme modifications of the X-25, it is very different. hi
          5. XXL
            XXL 18 November 2015 07: 14 New
            +3
            The author made logical and reasonable arguments, and you have one chatter.
          6. Bongo
            Bongo 18 November 2015 08: 13 New
            13
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            There is another problem - the small reserves of modern high-precision aircraft weapons.
            For the author, the signature stamp does not secretly exist, the author knows everything! How much and what was delivered, how much and what is in stock.

            Hi Sasha! It is not sad, but in this case the author is right. We really have very few reserves of high-precision aviation weapons. crying For example, in Syria, aircraft weapons are used from the export order of the Tactical Missile Armament Corporation. Apparently, we managed to agree with a foreign customer on the postponement of the contract. In this regard, at the enterprises of the dispenser, assembly is carried out in three shifts, which has not happened since Soviet times.



            Here is a picture from "open sources" about the share of high-precision weapons used in Chechen companies during the 2008 war. As the saying goes, "Smart is enough."
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            2. a.hamster55
              a.hamster55 18 November 2015 09: 32 New
              -1
              I did not consider the ratio of ammunition old-new, but I think 10: 1. And surely there are problems with the crews capable of at least GOOD use of these ammunition. I just watched how crews are assembled from those who can do something and what results from the application. It’s good if it’s 500 - then it’ll scare me, but 100 is even funny and sad fellow
              1. Valentine
                Valentine 18 November 2015 11: 30 New
                +4
                Guys! And why are we breaking spears here? Yes, we have our own, modern, high-precision weapons
                , there are means of production, there are means of delivery, there are warehouses where we do not know what and how much, but, most importantly, we have "pocket", tactical and strategic nuclear weapons, ready at any second, if necessary, " to any part of our planet, and about this
                EVERYTHING KNOWS PERFECTLY. And while we have these weapons
                "containment", we will "draw" for ourselves so much more of these X-101, X-555 and many others, better and more modern types of weapons, and for the Basmachi, it’s enough that they’re on their heads, and Washington will think for a long time ...
                1. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 18 November 2015 20: 27 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Valentine
                  we will "draw" for ourselves so many more of these X-101, X-555 and many others, better and more modern types of weapons

                  1. About the cost of drawing(I want to make a reservation, I need to draw, but there is a budget beyond which I can’t get out). The cost of the Caliber is about $ 6.5 million, the X-101 is more expensive, and in 2012. there were only 2 of them. The military budget of Russia in 2015 is $ 84 billion. You won’t let anything go on rockets. request
                  2. Who will be the artist? Shells on Armata Kiriyenko (default of 1998) is in charge.
                  Who manages the X-101 missiles? Are you sure that not Chubais?
                  Conclusions: "draw" is necessary, but under VERY tight control. But in our country the "May decrees" are still being sabotaged.
            3. Scoun
              Scoun 18 November 2015 13: 44 New
              +3
              Quote: Bongo
              Hi Sasha! It is not sad, but in this case the author is right. We have very few reserves of high-precision aviation weapons

              At my side of production, your information is out of date for 4 years.

              Quote: Bongo
              For example, in Syria, aircraft weapons are used from the export order of the Tactical Missile Armament Corporation.

              Can I have a reference? )))
              that's what happened in 2011 and make adjustments for events in Libya, Syria and then Ruin ... and you think from a simple guys they worked in several shifts and the volume of orders increased at times?
              as well as read
              Currently, the Tactical Missile Weapons Corporation is completing a large cycle of development work related to the creation of a new generation of aviation precision weapons (WTO), which should be supplied to the Russian Air Force in the coming years.
              October 2011 years
              http://www.sgvavia.ru/forum/105-959-1

              Yes, and recent years means that saturation with modernized, new technology has occurred and growth has been solid ... but high-precision was saturated by the piece, right? and Iskander is not the WTO? and the S-400 is not the WTO and do we have all of this by the moment?
              1. Bongo
                Bongo 18 November 2015 13: 51 New
                +3
                Quote: Scoun
                Can I have a reference? )))

                Nobody will give you a reference to this, just take a word. I really know what I'm writing about.
              2. corn
                corn 18 November 2015 18: 30 New
                +1
                Quote: Scoun
                At my side of production, your information is out of date for 4 years.

                Purely out of curiosity: since when do they work in three shifts? Will explain. To work in three shifts, we need workers in three shifts, we need to prepare them and use them in the future. On the knee, in the garage, students of vocational schools can not collect elements of precision weapons system.
                And a small remark for many commentators: Neither a bomb, nor a rocket, nor an airplane can be high-precision weapons.
                1. corn
                  corn 18 November 2015 22: 03 New
                  -1
                  And the second question: In order to ensure the combat operations of one "regiment", we have already begun to work in three shifts. In my opinion, someone is talking nonsense, and someone is being led to it.
                2. Scoun
                  Scoun 19 November 2015 11: 32 New
                  +1
                  Quote: corn
                  Purely out of curiosity: since when do they work in three shifts?

                  Damn, he doubted about three shifts, I’ll say in several shifts))) I could not check, Komrad was on a business trip. One plant began to work in several shifts since last spring (on the topic X- for strategists), the local plant riveted in the USSR for thousands of years a year and last decade 10-12 pieces, sharply received an increased order volume for X but strangely enough part of the production loaded with a new topic for them related to electronic warfare.
          7. Alexey-74
            Alexey-74 18 November 2015 09: 07 New
            -1
            I completely agree and support, the author uses facts and figures as if he has secret information about how much, where and how .... but he underestimates Kuyu in vain
          8. Maksus
            Maksus 18 November 2015 09: 54 New
            +4
            But about Kuznetsov - this, unfortunately, is true. He is small, plus old, plus fuel oil - it means to drive the tanker along with him. We really need a modern, large, nuclear aircraft carrier. With an air wing in 70-80 vehicles and a battalion of marines.
          9. Don
            Don 18 November 2015 12: 27 New
            +1
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            For the author, the signature stamp does not secretly exist, the author knows everything! How much and what was delivered, how much and what is in stock.

            Totally agree with you. Despite the fact that the author does not seem to be aware of the use of the KAB and X-29. Or does he think this is not a precision weapon? Against such primitive technicals and T-55 tanks, expensive air-to-surface missiles? And what is the use of videoconferencing resources? With great need, I think that the ATS can allocate another air base. Or expand the Khmeimim airbase.
          10. Starley from the south
            Starley from the south 18 November 2015 13: 48 New
            +1
            In my opinion, the author is right in only one way, the use of YES and strategists for striking ISIS is an expensive pleasure compared to Su-24, Su-25 and Su-34. Whether their efficiency is so much higher, how much more expensive they are, I don’t know if strategists are super-efficient, given the power of warheads and the accuracy of their missiles.
        2. oblako
          oblako 18 November 2015 06: 16 New
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          No matter how cynical, the military use of strategic weapons is justified not only by the need to carry out an act of retaliation against the forces that took responsibility for the death of our citizens, but also by the "banal" need to maintain these forces in combat readiness and improve the training of specialists. Crews should feel the "kickback" of the combat missile launch buttons. It will not be possible to defend the country with trembling hands of a "virgin". Soldiers are not born, they become soldiers. Our opponents did not hesitate to do it. It is clear that the conditions are "greenhouse", but it is still more than on the simulator and simulator ...
          War is a dirty business, but we did not start it, we have to end it ...
        3. Combitor
          Combitor 18 November 2015 07: 17 New
          +2
          Quote: SSR
          The author makes some one-sided conclusions.

          The author at the HQ headquarters was given the whole detailed account of the weapons we have, the number and types of cruise missiles and aerial bombs that will be used against terrorists and so on. etc.
          I do not think that our leadership would make such a responsible decision without accepting the calculation of all factors, including the presence and quantity of weapons used.
          An article or a planned stuffing in order to "reassure" certain circles that the Russians will soon scrape out all their bottom gaps, and the factories, working "from the wheels", will not have time to supply weapons, or the author is simply incompetent (to put it mildly).
          1. FiremamRescueS
            FiremamRescueS 18 November 2015 07: 56 New
            0
            I agree. Article minus. I also had the impression that the author intentionally, without making loud statements, relying on one well-known logic, leads the reader to the conclusion that ammunition in Russia was left over only from Soviet times and our TAKR is a backward rusted trough. In general, everything is bad and will end soon.
      2. Alekseev
        Alekseev 18 November 2015 07: 06 New
        10
        Quote: oldseaman1957
        We can assume that the Russian Army is just being reborn. It is not so scary that modern weapons are still few. G

        The author, perhaps, somewhat exaggerates the lack of KAB and other high-precision weapons.
        But there is a problem with the number of VKS, SV and navy And quality too.
        There is still a lot of work ahead. yes
        And the fabs are good too. Especially for fuel trucks, but with modern sighting equipment.
      3. Oleg14774
        Oleg14774 18 November 2015 09: 42 New
        +2
        Quote: oldseaman1957
        What can you do ...

        Yes, the author of the article does not have accurate data on what and how in the warehouses and when the ultra-precise weapons began to be produced. An article, like an article two days ago, that GDP decided to structure the debt of Ukraine. Solid blablabla!
    2. Xanna
      Xanna 18 November 2015 05: 30 New
      -78 qualifying.
      The reaction was more interesting - a massive strike by strategic and long-range aviation of the Aerospace Forces (VKS) of the Russian Federation against targets in the so-called capital of the “Islamic State” (the organization is banned in Russia) - Raqqa.


      And civilians in this Raqqa that no longer live ???
      Or do you really think that there were fewer civilians affected there than on our plane?
      With a probability of 99% I will say there suffered more.
      It's horrible! Who was answered? To the terrorists? Or people ???
      How can the USA be criticized for their actions in relation to the civilian population, if we ourselves do the same!
      Raqqa is not a small village of terrorists, it is a large city.
      And there’s no need to tell that the carcasses shot terrorists in the forehead, moreover ...
      Here is such an answer, really embarrassing! We are not terrorists.
      1. oldseaman1957
        oldseaman1957 18 November 2015 05: 33 New
        31
        Quote: Xanna 
        It's horrible! Who was answered? To the terrorists? Or people ???

        If these people died at the hands of ISIS, would you be more satisfied?
        This is War! ...
        1. Xanna
          Xanna 18 November 2015 05: 42 New
          -57 qualifying.
          For reference:
          People LIVE in the territories controlled by the IG and Nusra!
          Otherwise, it would be easier not to carry out operations to capture, etc., but stupidly bombed in all cities, including some provinces of Damascus!
          You really don’t realize that we were bombed around the CITY !!! ???
          1. oldseaman1957
            oldseaman1957 18 November 2015 05: 47 New
            25
            Quote: Xanna 
            but stupidly bomb all cities

            Yeah ... Send special snipers for special shots, and stupidly wait for ISIS to come to Russia.
            Here they would frolic, blasting together both the right and the guilty.
            PS Your "trepidation" is essentially criminal.
            1. Xanna
              Xanna 18 November 2015 06: 02 New
              -36 qualifying.
              If we bomb cities, then WHAT are we better than them ?!

              I’ll tell you a little secret: the one who died doesn’t matter who killed him - Russians for the truth or IS for their ideals.

              Women and children in Islam generally do not have the right to cast their votes, but this does not mean that they can be bombed!

              Until now, we have not bombed the city !!!
              1. Ruslan67
                Ruslan67 18 November 2015 06: 05 New
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                Quote: Xanna 
                If we bomb cities, then WHAT are we better than them ?!

                Quote: Xanna 
                People LIVE in the territories controlled by the IG and Nusra!

                Declare a reserve? fool
                1. Xanna
                  Xanna 18 November 2015 06: 14 New
                  -37 qualifying.
                  And why didn’t we bomb residential areas ???
                  Precisely because PEOPLE LIVE THERE!

                  Following your logic - terrorists showed up in Paris - let's bomb the whole of Paris, why sort it out!

                  When the Nazis captured our villages in the Second World War, people lived in them, they didn’t kill everyone ... they lived there in occupation, they lived there waiting for our units to free them, and they met the liberators with flowers. They lived there! They survived, died, but THEY WERE THERE!
                  Here, half the military, tell me how civilians can’t live in the occupied territories at all ?!
                  Why was it not to bomb everyone ?? !!
                  1. Ruslan67
                    Ruslan67 18 November 2015 06: 19 New
                    34
                    Quote: Xanna 
                    And why didn’t we bomb residential areas ???

                    What concrete residential block did we bomb ??? Akhedzhakna about Makarevich? Put cold to your head, maybe let it go
                  2. good7
                    good7 18 November 2015 06: 31 New
                    +8
                    Firstly, a terrorist, our people during the Second World War burned down their houses so that the Nazis would miss them! Secondly, they went to the partisans! Thirdly, your peaceful people in the ISIS territories or relatives of terrorists, wives, children, brothers, or slaves, so the relatives of the murderers deserve death, and I would also prefer death to slavery. So, all the "accomplices" - sympathizers should be dropped on the territory of animals from planes, without parachutes!
                  3. free
                    free 18 November 2015 07: 24 New
                    +3
                    you're delusional!
                  4. Baikal
                    Baikal 18 November 2015 09: 26 New
                    +4
                    Quote: Xanna 
                    And why didn’t we bomb residential areas ???

                    Cockerel, whose will you be?
                    Gentlemen, we will speak in our own words, we are all adults - judging by the rate and delirium that a wet teenager writes Xanna - a man fulfills SALARY.
                    I’m wondering - where are you all hiding, liberals? At least one on the street to meet and smash sucked.
                  5. atalef
                    atalef 18 November 2015 12: 58 New
                    +3
                    Quote: Xanna 
                    Why was it not to bomb everyone ?? !!

                    I would bomb everyone
                    In general, Putin did well, our Bibi would be such a ya.ts.a. good
              2. Mahmut
                Mahmut 18 November 2015 06: 21 New
                19
                And Berlin was bombed in the 45th. Oh, how they bombed. And no whining about what they say is better.
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                1. Xanna
                  Xanna 18 November 2015 06: 53 New
                  -16 qualifying.
                  Well, never mind! It is worth saying that it is impossible to bomb cities not only Ukrainians and mattresses - that's all, insults rained down!
                  Truly, a resource of Ur-partiots!
                  1. good7
                    good7 18 November 2015 07: 01 New
                    10
                    Well, this resource is not for sympathizers to terrorists! And I see no reason to behave tolerantly with the agitators of the igil!
                    Watch Ukrainian news, they are for you!
                  2. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov 18 November 2015 07: 09 New
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                    Quote: Xanna 
                    Truly, a resource of Ur-partiots!

                    And you thought it was a branch of Echo of Moscow, it happened wrong. Go there, there you will become a star with such comments. Then you will be invited to the Savik Shuster show, and then your career will be trampled. Meetings with EU deputies, hugging with Madonna, selfie with Pusi rait , well, at the end of the year, you’ll get a Nobel peace
              4. atalef
                atalef 18 November 2015 08: 24 New
                0
                Quote: Xanna 
                Women and children in Islam generally do not have the right to cast their votes, but this does not mean that they can be bombed!

                Women are those who raised and raised these terrorists who cut their heads. children - those who (raised by these mothers) - will grow up and turn into the same gangsters.
                Geometric progression know what?
                Think about it. destroying one MOMU - a terrorist. How many terrorists are you liberating the WORLD of the FUTURE?
                1. Xanna
                  Xanna 18 November 2015 08: 35 New
                  -7
                  Bomb Islamic women around the world ?!
                  Can you hear yourself ?! You are now calling to bomb and kill Islamic women, because in Islam there are many radical movements and their children can theoretically join them ?! Lived ...
                  But it’s nothing so that those who are fighting in the Syrian army, too, Islamic women were born!
                  1. atalef
                    atalef 18 November 2015 09: 14 New
                    0
                    Quote: Xanna
                    Bomb Islamic women around the world ?!
                    Can you hear yourself ?! You are now calling to bomb and kill Islamic women, because in Islam there are many radical movements and their children can theoretically join them ?! Lived ...
                    But it’s nothing so that those who are fighting in the Syrian army, too, Islamic women were born!

                    Why all over the world? We are talking about specific places, by the way Hannah is the name? I have an Arab friend, Hannah (this is a man’s name)
                    1. Xanna
                      Xanna 18 November 2015 09: 16 New
                      -3
                      This is the nickname I always use!
                      The real name is Oksana, and it is feminine. Ukrainian. I am half Ukrainian, my relatives live in the northeast.
                      I have nothing to do with Islam at all! Nick is a derivative of the name!
                      1. atalef
                        atalef 18 November 2015 12: 01 New
                        +3
                        Quote: Xanna
                        This is the nickname I always use!
                        The real name is Oksana, and it is feminine. Ukrainian. I am half Ukrainian, my relatives live in the northeast.
                        I have nothing to do with Islam at all! Nick is a derivative of the name!


                        Oksana will give you two tips
                        1. Do not meddle in men's affairs
                        2. live on BV and --You will change your mind in a month.
                        my wife is the same Ukrainian, she would not agree with you.
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              6. a.hamster55
                a.hamster55 18 November 2015 13: 45 New
                +2
                Oksana! We may not be better, but we did not destroy Dresden, Hamburg, Hiroshima, Nagasaki to the ground ... This is not our method, although my wife is also Khokhloma.
            2. Xanna
              Xanna 18 November 2015 06: 07 New
              -37 qualifying.
              Do you really think that bombing the city is the only answer to the actions of the IG ?!
              I always supported the actions of our president and about crime on the net - no!
              BUT, if we kill 3 Muslim women for every woman who died on the plane, who can make it easier ?!

              Now, if we instead introduced the military into Syria, and promised to wipe this Islamic State off the face of the earth by completely clearing the entire territory of Syria - this could still be an adequate answer, but to bomb the cities ...
              1. Ruslan67
                Ruslan67 18 November 2015 06: 11 New
                23
                Quote: Xanna 
                Now, if we instead introduced the military into Syria, and promised to wipe this Islamic State off the face of the earth by completely clearing the entire territory of Syria - this could still be an adequate answer, but to bomb the cities ...

                The daughter of the Crimean citizen with an officer love Did you even understand what you’re talking about? Or is it the cleansing of the whole territory? Humanitarian Aid?
                1. Xanna
                  Xanna 18 November 2015 06: 21 New
                  -14 qualifying.
                  And you, the same Marshal, as I am a ballerina!
                  The difference between a person with their own brains and a URA patriot is that a person knows how to think! He does not thinklessly support everything.
                  IG must be destroyed, but only IG! I am against the bombing of cities, and I do not care whose bomb making!

                  To remind you how you all condemned the United States for operations around the world, how you ranted about the suffering of civilians.
                  The whole difference between you and me is that I am against the killing of civilians, not only the United States, but Russia.

                  It’s impossible to bomb Donetsk, but what can Raqq ?!
                  I just don’t have double standards! Civilians cannot be bombed! And this is the point!
                  1. Ruslan67
                    Ruslan67 18 November 2015 06: 28 New
                    10
                    Quote: Xanna 
                    The difference between a person with their own brains and a URA patriot is that a person knows how to think!

                    The leadership of the militants in Raqqah. There are also warehouses and factories for the manufacture of weapons. We turn off the operation and wait when they cut out the population with weapons but in civilian clothes begin to leave?
                    Quote: Xanna 
                    what a person can think!

                    It's not about you No. Ballerina wassat
                    1. Xanna
                      Xanna 18 November 2015 06: 34 New
                      -17 qualifying.
                      The leadership of the militants in Raqqah. There are also warehouses and factories for the manufacture of weapons. We turn off the operation and wait when they cut out the population with weapons but in civilian clothes begin to leave?


                      And 300 inhabitants! Hooray-pariot you!
                      1. atalef
                        atalef 18 November 2015 06: 37 New
                        16
                        Quote: Xanna
                        The leadership of the militants in Raqqah. There are also warehouses and factories for the manufacture of weapons. We turn off the operation and wait when they cut out the population with weapons but in civilian clothes begin to leave?


                        And 300 inhabitants! Hooray-pariot you!

                        They support them, they wouldn’t support them - they left long ago, and don’t worry, you have already been declared martyrs - they are fine, they are now with virgins in paradise wassat
                      2. Xanna
                        Xanna 18 November 2015 06: 57 New
                        -9
                        We are Russians, we have always defended the truth and justice!
                        We punished the guilty, and condemned the bombing of civilians.

                        And after the Racca bombing, do we still have the moral right to condemn others !?

                        I believe that people in Paris are no better than the people of Donbas. But the people of Donbas are no better than the women and children of Raqqa!
                      3. Ruslan67
                        Ruslan67 18 November 2015 07: 01 New
                        12
                        Quote: Xanna 
                        We are Russians,

                        wassat
                        Quote: Xanna 
                        And after the Racca bombing, do we still have the moral right to condemn others !?

                        Leah Medzhidovna! But would you go along the fence to read the inscriptions?
                      4. good7
                        good7 18 November 2015 07: 05 New
                        +6
                        What kind of Russian "Varvara Karaulova" are you, if you have brainwashed your friends with "civilians", if you become an accidental victim of a counter-terrorist operation, we will not regret.
                        Russian.
                      5. Xanna
                        Xanna 18 November 2015 07: 15 New
                        -8
                        Have you decided to conduct an operation in Siberia, because there is someone who has a slightly different opinion ?!
                        Russian against the killing of civilians, always, everywhere, and tries to avoid this ... if possible!
                        In Raqqa, it was possible ...
                        And you are not Russian, you are a beast!
                        For me, the blood of Donbass women and the blood of women Raqqi is the same!
                      6. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 18 November 2015 07: 18 New
                        13
                        Quote: Xanna 
                        In Raqqa, it was possible ...
                        And you are not Russian, you are a beast!

                        You are our dear human rights activist, please show the corpses of those killed innocently. Well, or a video, we want to watch!
                      7. nagel_Oz
                        nagel_Oz 18 November 2015 08: 54 New
                        +3
                        I join in, our military at briefings publicly declare the use of weapons exclusively on terrains, it is unlikely that the "partners" would not throw a pod, showing the "movie" they need. Although it is possible the presence of INCIDENTAL victims is not excluded. On the other hand, the Americans brushed a whole hospital in Afghanistan clean, and nothing! Allegedly, "there was a mistake." Moaning about casualties in a war is just not appropriate
                      8. gunya
                        gunya 18 November 2015 11: 38 New
                        +2
                        She’ll quickly figure it out: she pulls Libyan and other videos from the u-tube and declares that they are Syrian!
                    2. atalef
                      atalef 18 November 2015 08: 04 New
                      11
                      Quote: Xanna 
                      For me, the blood of Donbass women and the blood of women Raqqi is the same!

                      Completely fucked up wassat
                    3. Alexander Romanov
                      Alexander Romanov 18 November 2015 08: 55 New
                      0
                      Quote: atalef
                      Completely fucked up

                      Vampire, take horseradish
                    4. atalef
                      atalef 18 November 2015 09: 16 New
                      +3
                      Quote: Alexander Romanov
                      Quote: atalef
                      Completely fucked up

                      Vampire, take horseradish

                      Sanya, this is exactly what I didn’t think of, destroying the Tero-log, you reduce its feed base yes
                    5. Alexander Romanov
                      Alexander Romanov 18 November 2015 10: 45 New
                      0
                      Quote: atalef
                      you reduce its feed base

                      Yes, such a feed base and do not mind
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              3. Ramzaj99
                Ramzaj99 18 November 2015 12: 37 New
                +3
                Quote: Xanna 
                Did you decide to conduct an operation in Siberia, because there is someone who has a slightly different opinion?! Russian is against the killing of civilians, always, everywhere, and is trying to avoid it ... if possible! In Raqqa it was possible ... And you not Russian, you are a beast! For me, the blood of Donbass women and the blood of women of Raqqi are the same!

                Who ever told you that they were bombing the city ??? They bombed previously explored points in the city. Do you feel the difference ??????
              4. atalef
                atalef 18 November 2015 12: 54 New
                0
                Quote: Ramzaj99
                Quote: Xanna 
                Did you decide to conduct an operation in Siberia, because there is someone who has a slightly different opinion?! Russian is against the killing of civilians, always, everywhere, and is trying to avoid it ... if possible! In Raqqa it was possible ... And you not Russian, you are a beast! For me, the blood of Donbass women and the blood of women of Raqqi are the same!

                Who ever told you that they were bombing the city ??? They bombed previously explored points in the city. Do you feel the difference ??????

                Yes, okay, in this, of course, Oksana is right, they are bombing the city, the FAB points are not bombing.
                but this does not change the general message.
                The terrorist should be destroyed, but civilians should know who to choose in the neighbors and who to be near.
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              6. xtur
                xtur 18 November 2015 14: 35 New
                +1
                > Who told you that they were bombing the city ??? Pre-explored points in the city are bombed. Do you feel the difference ??????

                all the same, there was at least one who answered on the merits of the question. The rest, apparently under the influence of emotions, did not want to answer essentially.
                To this answer we can add that pre-explored points are bombed using the WTO
        2. ASK505
          ASK505 18 November 2015 08: 37 New
          0
          Quote: Xanna 
          We are Russians,

          Quote: Xanna 
          do we still have the moral right to condemn others !?


          You do not have this right, but we do. Because we are Russians, not you.
        3. Xanna
          Xanna 18 November 2015 08: 39 New
          -8
          Well, you really fucked up!
          Nationality and do not touch my homeland!
          Brainless shkolota!
        4. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 18 November 2015 09: 03 New
          0
          Quote: Xanna 
          Nationality and do not touch my homeland!

          Yes, no one touches your America, you need someone.
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    3. Ivan the Terrible
      Ivan the Terrible 18 November 2015 11: 22 New
      +1
      are you lost at all
    4. Anatole
      Anatole 19 November 2015 02: 36 New
      0
      Yeah, the promise is moral healthy, but in the mat. parts are weak from the word zero. Carpet bombing there will not only achieve nothing, so we don’t have an air-bombing flotilla for that region, calm down and exhale. And the fact that they bombed is nothing more than a blow to specific areas of concentration of military infrastructure and management. These goals are in order of priority. There are no women and children at the command post it is an object of increased security and to arrange a kindergarten and a passage yard from civilians there, at least it is not safe for the object itself. Sleep well, no one sets children and women there for goals ...
  2. Xanna
    Xanna 18 November 2015 07: 35 New
    -11 qualifying.
    The position is actually strange!

    Take, for example, Kiev. Today, it is a junta-controlled city. You undertake to say that there were no civilians there, that everyone supports the junta ?! I do not presume ... for I know that this is not so!
    Those who wanted to leave long ago? Yeah, right now! Would you leave when you have a house here, relatives, land ?!
    Here they are! They just live, try not to annoy the local Natsik, and just live ...
    So did Racca! They lived, prayed to their god, went about their own business, tried not to annoy those who had taken over the city ... But you were credited to the terrorists!
  3. S-kerrigan
    S-kerrigan 18 November 2015 09: 12 New
    +2
    It's simple - the activity of malware needs to be fed. It is even such an elementary thing as a plumber / janitor / doctor. If people behave according to the principle “my house is on the edge - do what you want, but don’t touch me, I’ll just live peacefully,” then by doing so they help the existence of malware. So ...

    "All who do not support the legitimate government, the real state, are thus fighting against it and are subject to destruction" ... (not mine, but true).

    PS I myself am from Siberia, if that. Jewish-Ukrainian blood. But for some reason it dawns on me that sometimes it is required to do what is required. No snot. And when it comes to the death of hundreds, to save a thousand, this hundred must be killed. Because thousand is more important.
  4. atalef
    atalef 18 November 2015 12: 05 New
    +1
    Quote: Xanna 
    So did Racca! Lived, prayed to your god

    God is one and is capitalized

    Quote: Xanna 
    tried not to annoy those who captured the city ...

    Bandera also tried not to annoy the Nazis
    Quote: Xanna 
    And you have all enlisted as terrorists

    Aides
  5. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 18 November 2015 07: 10 New
    +3
    Quote: Xanna 
    And 300 inhabitants! Hooray-pariot you!

    Listen to a human rights activist, you are begging a grand from the State Department, write to them directly.
  6. atalef
    atalef 18 November 2015 07: 12 New
    +8
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Quote: Xanna 
    And 300 inhabitants! Hooray-pariot you!

    Listen to a human rights activist, you are begging a grand from the State Department, write to them directly.

    He wants the same state funding. wassat
  7. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 18 November 2015 07: 18 New
    0
    Quote: atalef
    He wants the same state funding.

    Why can't you just ask the state for money?
  • Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 18 November 2015 06: 30 New
    +1
    Quote: Xanna 
    And you, the same Marshal, as I am a ballerina!

    Put your picture on to see, just open your face
  • good7
    good7 18 November 2015 06: 38 New
    +3
    Naturally, it is possible and there are no double standards here, the scumbags have declared war on us back in Afghanistan! And Ruslan, which means "Daughter of a Krmak citizen with an officer" sounds like something American, or what?
    1. Ruslan67
      Ruslan67 18 November 2015 06: 41 New
      +5
      Quote: good7
      Does it sound like American or something?

      yesAlmost like the son of a carpenter and school teacher laughing
  • maxbrov74
    maxbrov74 18 November 2015 07: 02 New
    +4
    The difference between a person with his own brain ...

    Xanna, judging by the almost verbatim citation of State Department briefings, you are clearly different from people with their own brains. If you walked through the forest, or better to the Censor. There it is your "yak klyati bombed the children's gardens" in demand 24 hours 7 days a week.
  • free
    free 18 November 2015 07: 26 New
    +3
    you better go to Europe or the light of democracy, good riddance
  • Alexander_
    Alexander_ 18 November 2015 07: 54 New
    +9
    We are all against the killing of civilians, this is an axiom. It is unlikely that the VKS has a goal of "civilians in the city of Raqqa."
  • aleks 62 next
    aleks 62 next 18 November 2015 09: 55 New
    +3
    .... It’s impossible to bomb Donetsk, but what can Raccu do ?!
    I just don’t have double standards! Civilians cannot be bombed! And this is the point! ...

    .... Then send your son and husband to clean up without bombing ..... Maybe you’ll be smarter ... Yes it will be too late .... lol
  • good7
    good7 18 November 2015 06: 20 New
    +4
    Hannah, if not a secret, tell me how much Qatar pays you? You turn everything into a plane to kill Muslims, but let the city dwellers rebel against Isil - the answer is no. So they support them, so they are at the same time. The neighbors of the Kurds are Muslims and that the main strength of the opposition is the igil. In general, such a verdict - a terrorist report to you!
    1. Xanna
      Xanna 18 November 2015 06: 23 New
      -13 qualifying.
      I don’t even know what to say on such accusations!

      I just think that cities can’t be bombed!
      Not only Donetsk, but also Rakku!

      Hello to everyone who scolded double US standards! Hooray, patriots, shit..at!
      1. maxbrov74
        maxbrov74 18 November 2015 07: 09 New
        +8
        Hello to everyone who scolded double US standards!


        Xanna, unfortunately there is no "Troll of the Day" nomination here, but your attempts to press on pity are quite commendable.
      2. Kos_kalinki9
        Kos_kalinki9 18 November 2015 07: 39 New
        +2
        [quote = Xanna] I don’t even know what to say on such accusations!

        I just think that cities can’t be bombed!
        Not only Donetsk, but also Rakku!

        / Quote]
        I will be a cynic. In Raqqa, as in Donetsk, air conditioning exploded. hot.
    2. Xanna
      Xanna 18 November 2015 08: 03 New
      -8
      And the inhabitants of Kiev rebelled against the junta ?? !!
      Do not raise! All, we put the stigma, they support the junta, they are all the junta! You can bomb, right?
  • atalef
    atalef 18 November 2015 06: 26 New
    15
    Quote: Xanna
    Do you really think that bombing the city is the only answer to the actions of the IG ?!
    I always supported the actions of our president and about crime on the net - no!
    BUT, if we kill 3 Muslim women for every woman who died on the plane, who can make it easier ?!

    Now, if we instead introduced the military into Syria, and promised to wipe this Islamic State off the face of the earth by completely clearing the entire territory of Syria - this could still be an adequate answer, but to bomb the cities ...

    Strange you, what else to bomb if bandits left for the cities?
    1. Xanna
      Xanna 18 November 2015 07: 03 New
      -9
      And why did we bomb roads and warehouses before that?
      How did we bypass this city ?!
      We did not bomb Damascus, somehow we could do without it!

      We in Syria - we help and support from the air the operation of the Syrian military. Until today, it was like this ... Cities, airports are being cleaned manually, not because they cannot bomb them, but because you need to kill enemies and not touch your own to the maximum.
      It seems that no one has yet stepped on to Raqqa; there is no one to support there.
      This is just an act of revenge! But this revenge did not honor us!
      1. Ruslan67
        Ruslan67 18 November 2015 07: 05 New
        +4
        Quote: Xanna 
        But this revenge did not honor us!

        recourse Candelabra cry of your honor ... V.Vishnevsky
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 18 November 2015 07: 14 New
        +1
        Quote: Xanna 
        We in Syria - we help and support from the air the operation of the Syrian military. Until today it was like this ... Cities, airports are cleaned by hand

        Have you come back from Syria long ago?
      3. atalef
        atalef 18 November 2015 08: 13 New
        +6
        Quote: Xanna 
        And why did we bomb roads and warehouses before? How did we bypass this city ?!

        and who told you. what did you bypass?

        Quote: Xanna 
        ... Cities, airports are being cleaned manually, not because they cannot bomb them, but because you need to kill enemies and not touch your own to the maximum.

        And who is yours there?
        Quote: Xanna 
        It seems as long as no one on land comes to Rakku, support there


        therefore they bomb that there is no one to support
        As the Holy Scripture writes, "The inhabitants of Sodom were wicked and very sinful before the Lord" (Genesis 13:13), and "... the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah, it is great, and their sin, it is very heavy" (Genesis 18: 20-21 ). And when the Lord decided to destroy these cities, "Abraham said: may the Lord not be angry, what will I say again: maybe there will be ten (righteous. - approx.)? He said: I will not destroy for the sake of ten" (Genesis 18:32 ). But, alas, there were not even ten righteous people there, except Lot, for all "... from young to old, all the people from all over the city" (Genesis 19: 4), were stricken with an unnatural vice. "And the Lord rained down on Sodom and Gomorrah sulfur and fire from the Lord from heaven" (Genesis 19:24), completely destroying people who "acted arrogantly, obviously doing evil, and set them up as an example for posterity" (2 Maccabees 5: XNUMX ).


        Quote: Xanna 
        But this revenge did not honor us!

        With Arabs it is impossible in another way. maybe when they come to cut your head. they will not bother with these questions.
        1. xtur
          xtur 18 November 2015 14: 52 New
          +2
          > With the Arabs, there is no other way. maybe when they come to cut your head. they will not bother with these questions.

          Oh well - the Armenians lived in Syria even better than we live in their homeland. And they were saved in Syria from your allies of the Turks, who committed genocide to the Armenians in Western Armenia.

          But in order not to translate everything to ethnic squabbles, it should be noted that there is a clear difference between the Old and New Testaments.

          Principle Old Testament - an eye for an eye a tooth for a tooth.

          Principle New Testament - love your neighbor, even when, due to self-defense, you blow him off.
          1. Hello
            Hello 18 November 2015 15: 11 New
            0
            Quote: xtur
            from your allies Turks,

            belay
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          3. atalef
            atalef 18 November 2015 15: 14 New
            +2
            Quote: xtur
            Oh well - the Armenians lived in Syria even better than we live in their homeland. And they were saved in Syria from your allies of the Turks, who committed genocide to the Armenians in Western Armenia.


            Turks are our allies belay
            Quote: xtur
            The principle of the Old Testament is an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth. The principle of the New Testament is to love your neighbor, even when, due to self-defense, you blow your head

            Well, it's probably your love corpses.
            In my opinion, it would be right - 2oka, zoko and the rest in increasing order.
            Quote: xtur
            And women need to be lenient

            forward
            Special operation in Paris at the Stade de France stadium: five policemen were injured, a suicide bomber was killed
    2. Kos_kalinki9
      Kos_kalinki9 19 November 2015 00: 14 New
      0
      I agree with you for the first time. Sorry if it was harsh before. The truth is born in a dispute. And it's interesting to argue with you. sorry, a little inadequate. Until morning.
  • Valentine
    Valentine 18 November 2015 14: 30 New
    +1
    And how do you feel about the fact that almost the entire Donbass
    lies in ruins, due to the fault of the Ukrainian "government @?
    do people there now perish and become crippled by their shelling, like a year and a half in a row?
  • yuriy55
    yuriy55 18 November 2015 05: 49 New
    12
    You really don’t realize that we bombed around the CITY!??


    We really realize that all the possibilities of the Russian Federation to strike at terrorists are involved ...
    And the fact that you bombed around the city, even earlier - at the hospital, even earlier - ... I will not remember, this is purely your business and lies in the plane of your conscience ...
    1. Xanna
      Xanna 18 November 2015 07: 10 New
      -11 qualifying.
      Who are you ?!
      I am a Russian person, always a patriot of my country!
      You yourself shouted that you can’t bomb the hospital! Yes, it is impossible !!!
      I, too, was genuinely indignant at the actions of the Americans, and the actions of the punitive in the Donbas!
      Do you all think that you are carrying ?!
      You shout that the locals support the terrorists, so you can bomb them!
      Yeah, and the locals of Donbas support the militias ... should I continue ?!

      Everyone who shouted yesterday about the double standards of the USA, where are you !?
      1. Kos_kalinki9
        Kos_kalinki9 19 November 2015 00: 17 New
        0
        Quote: Xanna
        Who are you ?!
        I am a Russian person, always a patriot of my country!
        You yourself shouted that you can’t bomb the hospital! Yes, it is impossible !!!
        I, too, was genuinely indignant at the actions of the Americans, and the actions of the punitive in the Donbas!
        Do you all think that you are carrying ?!
        You shout that the locals support the terrorists, so you can bomb them!
        Yeah, and the locals of Donbas support the militias ... should I continue ?!

        Everyone who shouted yesterday about the double standards of the USA, where are you !?

        all!!! Crying !!!!!! you are Russian ????
  • would
    would 18 November 2015 05: 50 New
    14
    what we bombed around the CITY !!! ???


    So what? Something I do not fully understand the meaning of this exclamation. Maybe I still cry that my ancestors of Berlin bombed?
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 18 November 2015 06: 07 New
      12
      Quote: rait
      Maybe I still cry that my ancestors of Berlin bombed?

      Forgive us Wehrmacht laughing
      1. Xanna
        Xanna 18 November 2015 07: 44 New
        -6
        When Berlin was captured for violence against civilians in the city, Soviet soldiers were severely punished. This is so for reference!
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 18 November 2015 07: 51 New
          +3
          Quote: Xanna 
          This is so for reference!

          So for reference, you are now plus Estonian, American and a couple of liberals.
          You live up to their expectations, well done. good
          1. Xanna
            Xanna 18 November 2015 08: 02 New
            -7
            No, it's you well done! This is different for you spilled blood ...
            I do not care about their expectations of the liberals! I am a Russian person who has the same standards for myself and others!
            I alone cannot understand how one can condemn others yesterday, and tomorrow go, do the same and begin to justify oneself!

            I have relatives living in Ukraine, in the Northeast ... Their nitsiki immediately captured their city, they just captured it. Many people live there, many do not support the Hun ... but they have small children, houses, land and work. They have lived there all their lives, Russia is a foreign country for them, they want to continue living on their land.
            Do you really think that they are also a junta ?!
            What I condemned yesterday with the United States, Geyropa, etc. today we just didn’t! And I will not jump for joy.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 18 November 2015 09: 00 New
              +3
              Quote: Xanna 
              I am a Russian person who has the same standards for myself and others!

              Well, what a life, you spit on a Russian in Svanidze you get.
              Do not worry me about the brain, show the corpses of the innocently killed.
              1. Xanna
                Xanna 18 November 2015 09: 05 New
                -4
                You take the radius of destruction of the X-101 in urban conditions and multiply it by the population density of the city of Raqqa!

                Our media will not show you the corpses! Especially under the conditions that the French also bombed in the same city.

                It’s you who don’t soar your brains, because apparently there’s nothing at all to soar! Of course, there are no victims when bombing the city ... no photos - no victims ?! Yes, you are now the same as liberal bloggers who deny the victims of Donbas!
              2. JonnyT
                JonnyT 18 November 2015 11: 48 New
                +5
                you are a Gussian man, where are your lamentations about the peaceful sufferings when Gorlovka and Donetsk are now indiscriminately bombing? In Cancer, the goals of the Russian Aerospace Forces are previously reconnaissance and confirmed by undercover intelligence, terrorist targets. Civilians may not be in the underground bunker, weapons depots, factories for the manufacture of weapons and explosives, or a repair shop.
              3. atalef
                atalef 18 November 2015 12: 28 New
                +5
                Quote: JonnyT
                Civilians may not be in the underground bunker, weapons depots, factories for the manufacture of weapons and explosives, or a repair shop.

                definitely plus (+)
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            2. Hello
              Hello 18 November 2015 12: 17 New
              +4
              Quote: Xanna 
              You take the radius of destruction of the X-101 in urban conditions and multiply it by the population density of the city of Raqqa!

              Hehe and I like this formula, a new word in assessing civilian casualties.
              On the topic, not a single operation of any army has been without losses among civilians. The main task is to minimize losses as much as possible, without interfering with the solution of the combat mission.
      2. xtur
        xtur 18 November 2015 15: 01 New
        +1
        > So for spravochki, you are now plus Estonian, American and a couple of liberals.

        you're wrong

        I regularly supplement her statements in this topic, and put cons to you in this topic - you, like a Russian, have broken right now. It began with the fact that you didn’t crap the author of the article from hell.

        And then he didn’t understand that Hannah, the woman, needed to talk only about the fact that they weren’t bombing the city, but the reconnaissance targets, and recall that the missile defense had several meters.

        I am not a liberal, not an Estonian and not an American. I am an Armenian living in Yerevan, respecting the USSR and Russia.

        I am now defending a woman whom the whole forum insultingly insults, forgetting about the only correct, in a military forum, response form - about the reminder of the KVO of the missiles that bombed.

        One should be proud of such missiles, with such a KVO, and such bombing by right - but one must be able to adequately explain this.

        And women need to be lenient - especially so far, Hannah has not said anything beyond the bounds of women's exclusion from the realities of war
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 18 November 2015 20: 49 New
          0
          Quote: xtur
          And women need to be condescending - all the more so as far as specifically, Hannah has not said anything that goes beyond the bounds of a woman’s exclusion from the realities of war

          Regards, +. hi
    2. would
      would 18 November 2015 07: 53 New
      +5
      Purely for your reference: I do not know of any cases when indiscriminate the shelling, bombing of the Nazi city would not be so tough, but in principle punished.
    3. RBLip
      RBLip 18 November 2015 08: 35 New
      +4
      Quote: Xanna 
      When Berlin was captured for violence against civilians in the city, Soviet soldiers were severely punished. This is so for reference!

      and did it help us in a historical perspective? where did the tales about two million raped German women come from?
      1. Xanna
        Xanna 18 November 2015 08: 38 New
        +1
        From there, abortion was permitted only with rape. So they wrote massively statements.

        But we know that this crime is not on us!
        1. RBLip
          RBLip 18 November 2015 09: 27 New
          +4
          Quote: Xanna 
          From there, abortion was permitted only with rape. So they wrote massively statements.

          But we know that this crime is not on us!

          right. the sly German women covered their "minor" sins with the massive wear and tear of "Eastern barbarians" ...
          and now let’s recall the squeals and screams about the bombed hospitals, schools, almost the maternity hospital, which flew from Western, Khokhol, our liberal media, and which began the day after the announcement about the start of work of our VKS. Am I all for what? to whatever we do, no matter how selective we are (by the way, x-101 worked for Raqqa, not FABs, even here our selectively approached, trying to minimize the losses of the conditionally civilian population), anyway, we’re worthless will be. it happened historically. but you and people like you, looking and speaking so one-sidedly, pour some water on theirs, excuse me, shit mills. tie already.
          1. Xanna
            Xanna 18 November 2015 09: 33 New
            +1
            Guys, I will never approve of the bombing of cities. Women are emotional creatures, excuse me.

            not for nothing that the x-101s worked, not the FABs,


            Here you are pleased. Although I’m a techie, I’m still a girl, so I didn’t serve in the army, I don’t understand ammunition, so I’ll ask: What is the radius of destruction of the X-101 in urban conditions ?!
            Enlighten!
          2. RBLip
            RBLip 18 November 2015 09: 59 New
            +1
            Quote: Xanna 
            so I ask: What is the radius of destruction of the X-101 in urban conditions ?!
            Enlighten!

            provocative question. TTD data available in the open press absolutely do not provide such information. all other data are state. secret and their disclosure - a crime.
          3. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 18 November 2015 20: 58 New
            +1
            Quote: Xanna 
            What is the radius of destruction of the X-101 in urban conditions ?!

            B / H - 400kg. With an exact hit, not so much. This is not carpet bombing. Here is a link about the ammunition used.
            http://www.liveinternet.ru/users/panzir56/post375617011/
  • meriem1
    meriem1 18 November 2015 05: 51 New
    11
    Quote: Xanna
    For reference:
    People LIVE in the territories controlled by the IG and Nusra!
    Otherwise, it would be easier not to carry out operations to capture, etc., but stupidly bombed in all cities, including some provinces of Damascus!
    You really don’t realize that we were bombed around the CITY !!! ???


    Something you were not even heard when the "moderate opposition" and ISIS were beating in the center of Damascus !!! Students and women died. Ahh .. I get it. Damascus is not a city and there are no residents there !!! All who are pitiable live either in Europe or in the territory controlled by ISIS. So? When Donbass was being carried and beaten across the squares, I didn’t hear something. You are in the wrong place. You will be understood by the liberals or the Censor !!!!

    ps That's about this the president of the United States did not write angry letters ???
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bm8dcK3kl_s
    Or is everything the same there? It’s only bad where the Russian VKS ???
    1. Xanna
      Xanna 18 November 2015 06: 32 New
      -10 qualifying.
      I was against it when Donetsk was bombed, I consider the ISIS, al-Nusra terrorists moderate, because peaceful people are chewing in Damascus, they live in Donetsk and they live in Lugansk !!!

      I just thought that we were better ... We didn’t do that, we didn’t bomb the cities.

      Guys, you are now applying the double standards that you scolded so yesterday!

      If Damascus, Lugansk, Donetsk, etc. You can’t bomb, then Rakku can’t be either!

      Why are we beginning to justify ourselves ?! We are not like that, we are not "exceptional" ... Where could you, citizens ?! Who said that people in Raqqa are worse than in Damascus ?!
      I am matured by the fact that today we have fallen to the level of terrorists!
      You can ban me, minus me, etc. I do not care. For me, the standards are the same for everyone, including for myself.
      Cities can not be bombed, and this is not discussed, there can be no excuse!
      1. Ruslan67
        Ruslan67 18 November 2015 06: 36 New
        +8
        Quote: Xanna 
        The fact that

        Oh, how matured she was! wassat
        Quote: Xanna 
        We are not like that, we are not "exceptional" ... Where could,

        Clinic request
      2. RBLip
        RBLip 18 November 2015 08: 39 New
        +4
        Quote: Xanna 
        Cities can not be bombed, and this is not discussed, there can be no excuse!

        there is a bombing of Berlin, and there is Dresden ... is it really not visible the difference?
      3. Denis DV
        Denis DV 18 November 2015 16: 11 New
        +2
        Woman, why are you so killing, you’ll never be so killed what
  • Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 18 November 2015 06: 06 New
    11
    Quote: Xanna 
    You really don’t realize that we were bombed around the CITY !!! ???

    Well zapuhay with grief or go to a rally, against Russia's attacks on Raqqa. Black flag in hand, poster "Hands off ISIS"
    1. Kos_kalinki9
      Kos_kalinki9 18 November 2015 06: 44 New
      11
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      Quote: Xanna 
      You really don’t realize that we were bombed around the CITY !!! ???

      Well zapuhay with grief or go to a rally, against Russia's attacks on Raqqa. Black flag in hand, poster "Hands off ISIS"

      Sasha, I’ll add another photo, it was painfully beautiful to speak out.
  • Kos_kalinki9
    Kos_kalinki9 18 November 2015 06: 10 New
    +6
    Quote: Xanna
    For reference:
    People LIVE in the territories controlled by the IG and Nusra!
    Otherwise, it would be easier not to carry out operations to capture, etc., but stupidly bombed in all cities, including some provinces of Damascus!
    You really don’t realize that we were bombed around the CITY !!! ???

    Cry.
  • Sanmak
    Sanmak 18 November 2015 06: 27 New
    0
    Xanna RU


    Accidentally set you + instead of -
  • SSR
    SSR 18 November 2015 06: 36 New
    +6
    Excuse me! For reference! Do you really think that precision weapons are used for carpet bombing of cities ?! But nothing that is used not for this! In your opinion, it’s better when the terrorists hid behind the backs of civilians in cells and artillery beats on them ?! Maybe it's better to try to pick out the bandits while sleeping warm?
    Maybe you should blame the French police ?! Why did the French police not wait for the terrorists to run out of ammo and suicide belts and go on the assault? !!!!
    Quote: Xanna
    For reference:
    People LIVE in the territories controlled by the IG and Nusra!
    Otherwise, it would be easier not to carry out capture operations, etc., but stupidly
    You really don’t realize that we were bombed around the CITY !!! ???
  • vladimir_krm
    vladimir_krm 18 November 2015 06: 41 New
    +6
    "Don't you really realize that we bombed the CITY !!! ???"

    Do you really believe that high-precision missiles worth more than a million dollars each, stupidly beat in the city, obviously with zero effect? Here are the words of Gerasimov:

    "group airstrikes on ISIS targets in eastern Syria, in the provinces of Deir ez-Zor and Raqqa."

    No need to shout: you either do not understand, or a provocateur.
  • EvgNik
    EvgNik 18 November 2015 06: 53 New
    +8
    Quote: Xanna 
    People LIVE in the territories controlled by the IG and Nusra!

    Hanna, have you heard about ISIS's plans to create a caliphate from the Volga to the Atlantic? From the Volga - it means from Kazan. And who intends to settle there, if not those civilians whom you zealously protect. They have already settled in Europe. In large areas (from the Volga and further to the West), the reproduction of these "peaceful" inhabitants will proceed at an alarming rate. What do we get in the end? There will be no place for the white race on Earth. So the question is - either we or they. And for some reason I choose "we". You (if an Islamist) can choose yourself.
    1. Xanna
      Xanna 18 November 2015 08: 19 New
      -6
      Militias created their own state - Novorossia, civilians of Donetsk and Lugansk support them ... should I continue ?!

      You yesterday condemned the actions of the punitive in the Donbas! And today, or we, or they ?!
      Ukrokarateli also argue on the principle - either we, or they!

      We condemned them! They condemned the USA, condemned Geyropa, condemned the Islamic State, and had the right to do so, for we ourselves DID NOT DO IT!
      And now, when the question concerns us - either we, or they!
      This, Mr. good, is called double standards in action ...
  • free
    free 18 November 2015 07: 23 New
    +3
    another liberal!
    1. Bombardier
      Bombardier 18 November 2015 09: 03 New
      +2
      Quote: free
      another liberal!


      This is a troll! not really not clear! No need to correspond with him. You see - there are no arguments, only slogans. IT does not even know the results of airstrikes, but it is already moaning and shedding tears. In the open air!
  • GRAY
    GRAY 18 November 2015 07: 31 New
    +6
    Quote: Xanna 
    You really don’t realize that we were bombed around the CITY !!! ???

    Carpet bombing was not there.
    1. Xanna
      Xanna 18 November 2015 09: 15 New
      -2
      Sofa marshals, the radius of destruction of the X-101 in urban conditions ?!
      How many?! Can I wait a digit today or not ?!

      To bomb a province is one thing! And Raqqa itself is a city! Until now, the Ministry of Defense has shown us shots of bombing bunkers, roads, bridges, etc.
      According to Wikipedia (can be specified in other sources), about 300 inhabitants live in Raqqa ...
      How many of them are terrorists ?!
  • meriem1
    meriem1 18 November 2015 05: 46 New
    +9
    Quote: Xanna
    The reaction was more interesting - a massive strike by strategic and long-range aviation of the Aerospace Forces (VKS) of the Russian Federation against targets in the so-called capital of the “Islamic State” (the organization is banned in Russia) - Raqqa.


    And civilians in this Raqqa that no longer live ???
    Or do you really think that there were fewer civilians affected there than on our plane?
    With a probability of 99% I will say there suffered more.
    It's horrible! Who was answered? To the terrorists? Or people ???
    How can the USA be criticized for their actions in relation to the civilian population, if we ourselves do the same!
    Raqqa is not a small village of terrorists, it is a large city.
    And there’s no need to tell that the carcasses shot terrorists in the forehead, moreover ...
    Here is such an answer, really embarrassing! We are not terrorists.


    Yeah! Let's spare the nonhumans of cutting heads and pity everyone and everything ... waiting for the next plane to fall with Our Girls and Children ???? Civilians???? FACTS bring !!!! They blow Us ... and only the liberal press howls about bombed hospitals, and even without proof and shamelessly throwing an Explicit Falsehood.
  • Sirocco
    Sirocco 18 November 2015 05: 47 New
    21
    Quote: Xanna 
    And civilians in this Raqqa that no longer live ???
    Or do you really think that there were fewer civilians affected there than on our plane?

    Well what to tell you? I think you wound yourself a ball in the ass))))
    The other day, we were just discussing a similar topic at work with colleagues, only with other actors, represented by French pilots, and everyone noted the fact that the media were somehow suspiciously quiet and no one was shouting about the loss of civilians during the air strikes of the French Air Force .
    But as soon as our VKS strengthened their strikes, as it started again, and you confirm this.
    Why are you silent about the French? Let’s protest with slogans to the French Embassy.
    Well, essentially, I’ll write in an understandable language,
    The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and other countries, like in medicine, do not have such equipment (weapons), it is not possible to localize a cancer tumor in one place, these are metastases, and it was necessary to remove a part of the lung ((as it was recently in medicine) with healthy tissue, which would generally save the body from death.
    Let’s not dissemble, and cast a shadow on the fence, everyone has long known that during hostilities it suffers and dies civilians, there are such percentages. You won’t get anywhere without it.
    There is only a difference between our Armed Forces and the Armed Forces of the West, we try to minimize losses among the civilian population, or to exclude such. Colleagues, on the contrary, are acting, and there are a lot of examples, either weddings, or birthdays, they shoot without hesitation.
  • Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 18 November 2015 05: 54 New
    +6
    Quote: Xanna 
    And civilians in this Raqqa that no longer live ???

    They live, go to the Censor, there already yesterday they posted a bunch of videos with killed civilians from crayfish.
    Quote: Xanna 
    With a probability of 99% I will say there suffered more.
    It's horrible! Who was answered? To the terrorists? Or people ???

    And so you already watched the videos, well, nice.
    Quote: Xanna 
    How can the USA be criticized for their actions in relation to the civilian population, if we ourselves do the same!

    Forgive us ISIS.
    Quote: Xanna 
    Here is such an answer, really embarrassing! We are not terrorists.

    Today, all liberals of all stripes around the world are ashamed of Russia. Cried?
  • vladimir_krm
    vladimir_krm 18 November 2015 06: 31 New
    +7
    "And the civilians in this Raqqa do not live anymore ???
    This is terrible! "

    Iron logic! The main thing is convenient: this way you can blame anyone and anything. For example: Soviet troops near Kursk and Stalingrad destroyed thousands of Wehrmacht soldiers, and among them there could be future Beethovens and Goethe! It's horrible!
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  • Aleksander
    Aleksander 18 November 2015 06: 45 New
    +3
    Quote: Xanna 
    And civilians in this Raqqa that no longer live ??? Or do you really think that there were fewer civilians injured there than on our plane? With a probability of 99% I will say there were more injuries.

    And what are your statements about "99%" worth? Less than zero. Read again what you brought yourself:
    " by GOALS in the so-called capital of the "Islamic State", and not just stupidly around the city.
    1. Xanna
      Xanna 18 November 2015 08: 32 New
      -3
      X-101 cruise missile, what is the radius of destruction if you hit the city ?!
      IG in Raqqa occupied many administrative buildings.
      Tell me, how many meters from the building did you have to be in order not to suffer from a toy like the X-101 ?!
      1. gas113
        gas113 18 November 2015 11: 12 New
        0
        butted your radius, know how to criticize and any suggestions? AAAA, turn to America, let it bomb and be to blame? so what?
  • Retvizan 8
    Retvizan 8 18 November 2015 06: 51 New
    +1
    I think if your relatives or friends (God forbid) were in the 312th place, it is unlikely that you would now argue about the humanity of these missile attacks.
  • free
    free 18 November 2015 07: 22 New
    +2
    With a probability of 99% I will say there suffered more

    you probably just from there, you saw yourself, you know yourself, and of course not everything is so simple!
  • nadezhiva
    nadezhiva 18 November 2015 09: 46 New
    +3
    Quote: Xanna
    How can the USA be criticized for their actions in relation to the civilian population, if we ourselves do the same!
    Here is such an answer, really embarrassing! We are not terrorists.

    Let's not compare the bombing of Yugoslavia (for example) and the war in Syria.
    And on the topic of civilians ..... I do not understand. Berlin also did not have to bomb? There was a civilian population crying
  • Sweles
    Sweles 18 November 2015 08: 08 New
    -1
    The highlight of the program was the use of the latest X-101 cruise missiles, the maximum launch range of which can reach 5500 km, with the highest accuracy.

    there is no need to hammer the igeshniks with expensive missiles, unless a demonstration of power. What tasks did these x101 accomplish? Destruction of ground objects not protected by air defense systems? Well, such tasks are easily performed by the FABs. Apparently, air grouping needs to be increased.

    in. In fact, at the moment, all the products manufactured by the Tactical Missile Weapons Corporation are going to Syria. No wonder the factories of the corporation switched to work in three shifts.


    Tactical missiles are several factories and if they work in three shifts, then the stock of missiles will become substantial.
    1. ARS56
      ARS56 18 November 2015 08: 55 New
      +4
      Sweles! Do you prefer to test the X-101 at firing ranges instead of combat use for decent goals? Do you think this is more effective?
      And a demonstration of strength to appease the "partners" is simply necessary.
      1. Sweles
        Sweles 18 November 2015 12: 21 New
        +1
        Quote: ARS56
        Sweles! Do you prefer to test the X-101 at firing ranges instead of combat use for decent goals? Do you think this is more effective?
        And a demonstration of strength to appease the "partners" is simply necessary.


        it’s not reasonable to use gold slippers to destroy cockroaches; you can get by with simple ones.
  • _Lexa_
    _Lexa_ 18 November 2015 09: 08 New
    +3
    The leadership is not stupid, and draw appropriate conclusions. Syria is not only the fight against terrorism, but also the running-in of our troops.
  • xtur
    xtur 18 November 2015 13: 46 New
    0
    > Tu-22M3 take off from Mozdok and make a long way to the target and back

    Ie they fly through the territory of Iran? Can anyone clarify the flight path?
  • astronom1973n
    astronom1973n 18 November 2015 05: 20 New
    +7
    It is noteworthy that all of these various experts know for sure about the actual presence (absence) of the range of ammunition used. I want to ask, where did the firewood come from? They showed accounting books, or did they themselves calculate? And if you personally don’t know the information containing a certain access, you don’t know what to write.
  • Zomanus
    Zomanus 18 November 2015 05: 21 New
    -1
    Yes, practically everything that flies and falls from above was tested in real conditions.
    It remains to crash ICBMs, in non-nuclear equipment and ODAB extra-large capacity.
    Well, it became clear which enterprises needed to invest in.
    Because if we clean up the old supplies, then it will become completely sad.
  • yuriy55
    yuriy55 18 November 2015 05: 23 New
    +4
    Russia threw into the fight against LIH almost everything that is in VKS


    This is the right decision. No scum, directly or indirectly guilty of the murders of our citizens should not feel with impunity. Press until complete extermination. Corrode everyone who supports these scum and everything that reminds them of.
    1. 34 region
      34 region 18 November 2015 05: 32 New
      0
      To crush those who are directly or indirectly involved! Who is it right? The one who blows himself up? But indirectly, is it the one who finances? Do you offer what? Watering the Department of State, USA, Saudis, bankers ...?
      1. yuriy55
        yuriy55 18 November 2015 05: 52 New
        +3
        Even those who came out with the flag - belonging to this organization ...
  • dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 18 November 2015 05: 24 New
    +1
    It’s clear that you simply don’t have to respond to terrorist attacks. You have to answer toughly for the brazen outing of bandits against the Russians. Calm times for the Russian army are over. Now the army will be actively involved everywhere. The situation in the world is not going to relax. Regarding the supply of ammunition and the quality of military technology, development strategy will be seriously revised.
    1. 34 region
      34 region 18 November 2015 05: 35 New
      +2
      To supply must first produce. Do we have so many equipment and specialists? Do we have many skilled machinists? Who is cooking them?
  • magician
    magician 18 November 2015 05: 25 New
    +3
    "There is one more problem - small stocks of modern high-precision aircraft weapons"

    Is it data from the Moscow Region or speculation?
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 18 November 2015 05: 55 New
      0
      Quote: wizard
      Is it data from the Moscow Region or speculation?

      Second.
      1. Kos_kalinki9
        Kos_kalinki9 18 November 2015 06: 18 New
        +3
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Quote: wizard
        Is it data from the Moscow Region or speculation?

        Second.

        No second. Before writing the article, the author personally, I repeat personally checked all the warehouses in the Russian Federation, personally calculated everything and only after that posted the information. So there is no reason not to believe him. laughingYes, I forgot. Even the author personally sailed (crawl) into the Mediterranean Sea and inspected our fleet, coming to the conclusion that it was useless.
        1. Oleko
          Oleko 18 November 2015 07: 45 New
          +2
          Quote: Kos_kalinki9
          No second. Before writing the article, the author personally, I repeat personally checked all the warehouses in the Russian Federation, personally calculated everything and only after that posted the information. So there is no reason not to believe him. Yes, I forgot. Even the author personally sailed (with a crawl) to the Mediterranean Sea and inspected our fleet, having come to the conclusion that it is useless

          This is a feat. The feat of the present author, for whom the Truth is most valuable. An example for youth. Here.
        2. Oleko
          Oleko 18 November 2015 07: 45 New
          -3
          Quote: Kos_kalinki9
          No second. Before writing the article, the author personally, I repeat personally checked all the warehouses in the Russian Federation, personally calculated everything and only after that posted the information. So there is no reason not to believe him. Yes, I forgot. Even the author personally sailed (with a crawl) to the Mediterranean Sea and inspected our fleet, having come to the conclusion that it is useless

          This is a feat. The feat of the present author, for whom the Truth is most valuable. An example for youth. Here.
  • 34 region
    34 region 18 November 2015 05: 26 New
    +2
    Interesting! And how are we going to increase the output of ammunition if the plant today operates in three shifts and the products leave the wheels? After all, to increase output, areas, equipment, and specialists are needed. Combining all this quickly is problematic.
    1. vladimir_krm
      vladimir_krm 18 November 2015 06: 47 New
      +4
      Viktor Bondarev also denied media publications that Russian pilots in Syria lack missiles. Earlier in the media it was reported that at one of the enterprises of the Russian defense industry, employees work in three shifts, as allegedly the pilots in Syria do not have enough missiles. "Nonsense! Not a single director of the enterprise has called me yet and said that I am exhausted," Bondarev said.
      http://kramtp.info/news/21/full/id=46345;
  • Sega66
    Sega66 18 November 2015 05: 28 New
    +8
    Be sure to splash a spoonful of tar. It seems that we have one warehouse, and the storekeeper, the expert’s neighbor, tells him how little we have left.
  • Denis DV
    Denis DV 18 November 2015 05: 28 New
    +6
    In fact, to date, Russia has exhausted all possible reserves for strengthening its VKS group in Syria.


    Strange article. I would not make such statements soldier
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 18 November 2015 05: 38 New
      +5
      In fact, to date, Russia has exhausted all possible reserves for strengthening its VKS group in Syria.

      Where such confidence???
      In Syria, there is only one reinforced air regiment.
      However, throwing strategic bombers into battle against the Dushmans is ... however.
      I think that there is a running-in and testing of new weapons and ammunition in relation to the military operations in SYRIA, the militants are ironed to the entire depth of SYRIA, where tactical aircraft are lacking, strategists come into play.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 18 November 2015 05: 57 New
        +7
        Quote: The same LYOKHA

        Where such confidence???

        When something happens in the world, a bunch of experts write articles.
        Are you an arms expert? -Yes.
        Have you served? -No.
        1. Kos_kalinki9
          Kos_kalinki9 18 November 2015 06: 23 New
          +4
          It is not necessary to serve as an expert. bully
          1. Denis DV
            Denis DV 18 November 2015 16: 25 New
            +1
            And do not say, but what will happen when a satellite is dropped from a satellite?))))
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  • SAM 5
    SAM 5 18 November 2015 05: 31 New
    +2
    Of course, the use of strategic aviation is not a cheap thing. But as they say, once such a booze has gone - cut the last cucumber.
    1. vladimir_krm
      vladimir_krm 18 November 2015 06: 51 New
      +4
      These cucumbers ... heaps :) Do not believe the author. Several tasks are being solved at once, except for the main one: testing troops and equipment in combat conditions, disposing of ammunition with an expiring shelf life, collection of statistics on the effectiveness of weapons, equipment, methods of work ...
  • Sirocco
    Sirocco 18 November 2015 05: 34 New
    +3
    An article with double feelings, it is clear that we need to highlight and point out weaknesses, without this we will not be strong.
    But. As always, where do the authors get information about state secrets?
    There is another problem - the small reserves of modern high-precision aircraft weapons. In fact, there are no reserves as such - the saturation of troops with these products was minimal at the time the operation in Syria began: mass production of such products began only about a year ago.

    If this information is from the media, then I will say the words of the author
    and her weaknesses,

    This is not the source.
    And no one will upload such data. Being in their right mind.
    There is nothing to add, the fact that it is better to start putting out the "fire" helping a neighbor is undeniable, it will be worse when our roof is on fire. Yes, and a good help for our pilots and their combat "chariots" combat experience can not be spent on drink)))) This is no longer like an exercise, the "boxes" show the result, and most importantly EXPERIENCE.
  • Dimon19661
    Dimon19661 18 November 2015 05: 37 New
    +4
    And what, the author is in the know about classified stocks of ammunition stockpiles ???
  • Dmitry Potapov
    Dmitry Potapov 18 November 2015 05: 38 New
    +3
    You might think someone has more money. Steeper only nuclear weapons. The author is clearly from the liberals of the funeral team of Russia.
  • Support
    Support 18 November 2015 05: 45 New
    +3
    Chef fse disappeared - there is no bullet, no gas, nothing ... ..... pah on you, the author of the above-mentioned libel. Your opinion is heard. Ask Hitler how, with the loss of 85% of industry, the USSR jammed the Wehrmacht ....
  • gop
    gop 18 November 2015 05: 46 New
    +2
    Quote: The same LYOKHA
    Where such confidence???

    look who the author is and you will understand)) UA instead of IA
    1. ARS56
      ARS56 18 November 2015 09: 05 New
      +1
      Posted by 404?
      Ukrofashists expect that now Russia will empty its ammunition and "the best army of Geyropa" will not only capture the LPNR, but will also march victoriously to Moscow?
      Oh well.
  • Wolka
    Wolka 18 November 2015 05: 51 New
    +2
    the author is not right initially, in the fight against ISIS, Russia did not abandon the last of all weapons, and once again showed the world its readiness for a decisive fight against international terrorism with all available military means, up to the latest modern weapons, the Yankees with their coalition here they don’t even get dust and let them quietly smoke aside, damn warriors ...
  • mvg
    mvg 18 November 2015 06: 08 New
    -1
    Which one is still minus? Normal (adequate) comments? Without explanation.
    This is so, instead of: Good morning, forum users ..

    The fact that these missiles were used yesterday was clear, only the author is mistaken about the Tushka-160 and its capacity. 12, not 6.
    As for stockpiles of precision weapons, I think you should not worry. They will not spend millions on the Papuans, they checked in battle conditions, and that's enough. The launch of the Kyrgyz Republic was made with NK, with air strategists, with submarines. Su-34 and Su-24M were tested by KABami, BETAB. Now the FABs will go. And to spend denyuzhku (high-precision AASM ammunition) we will leave the frogs offended.
    Yesterday's departure of strategists cost about $ 100 million. A little expensive, for 400 oil tanks. 25-30 T72B3 could be brought by Syrian friends to this loot.
    I suggest the voice of reason prevail.
    PS: Have a nice working day. wink
    1. BLOND
      BLOND 18 November 2015 06: 44 New
      +3
      The basic version of the Tu-160 (1981, draft):

      1) 12 x AS-15 (X-55 / X-55М) on two revolving MKU-6-5У
      2) 24 x AS-16 (X-15) on four revolving MKU (weapons option not brought to implementation)
      3) 4 x nuclear bombs with the power of 5, 20 (?), 50 (?) Mt
      4) 16 x FAB-1000
      5) 22 x FAB-750
      6) CAB-1500



      Actually produced Tu-160 (1987-2009 gg.):

      1) 12 x AS-15 (Kh-55 / Kh-55SM) on two MKU-6-5U - basic armament version, state testing of the system - 1989 (main variant - Kh-55SM, adopted by the Air Force in 1986) ... By 2005, some of the aircraft were converted to use the Kh-555 missiles (for example, the Tu-160 "Pavel Taran", probably also the "Alexander Golovanov" and "Alexander Molodchiy").

      2) 12 x AS-16 (X-15) on two MKU-6-5U (NOT IMPLEMENTED in real combat parts)

      In the process of modernization based on the model of 2006, the armament range will include X-555, X-101 and X-102 ballistic missiles, AS-16 (X-15) aeroballistic missiles, conventional free-falling bombs and UAB.
      ... TSA on board depend on the flight mission (loading options depend, if at maximum, on take-off weight)
      At the expense of the cost of use ...
      A pilot who performed at least training launches is expensive! And the one who "went" to combat use generally goes to another level.
      In your opinion, so they generally need to remove training flights ... savings (albeit with textbooks, notes, but on simulators ...)
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  • 205577
    205577 18 November 2015 06: 10 New
    +2
    As usual, we share on cap-takers and alarmists, while the author, in my opinion, belongs to the third group - realists.
    There really are problems, we need to talk about them and they need to be addressed. It is necessary to draw the right conclusions, since we got involved in this.
    In general, I have a feeling that one of the main reasons, along with the struggle against the United States in the region and in the world, is our desire (and maybe need) to break weapons in real combat conditions. And if such a unique, officially and morally justified case presented itself, then it is necessary to use it to the maximum. And for this it is necessary to conduct a sober analysis of what forces and means and where are involved in fulfilling tasks, the possibility of replenishing them, a sharp increase in production, a shortage or surplus of trained personnel, etc.
    Our country has a real chance at once fighting not on its territory to get real combat experience and knowledge, while calculating the consequences.
    Whoever does not understand this and does not want to listen to anything other than victorious reports is a minimum of a short-sighted person, and a maximum of a pest.
    While everything is working out with us, but sometimes everything changes dramatically, you have to be prepared for this, you need to learn, and not shout at every intersection about how cool we are, or want to become like Novoukrov?
  • kvnvolga2008
    kvnvolga2008 18 November 2015 06: 18 New
    +1
    The revival of the Russian army pleases. But the problems are like a snowball ...
  • SAM 5
    SAM 5 18 November 2015 06: 21 New
    +1
    REGNUM news agency is a non-governmental federal news agency that distributes news from Russia and the near abroad from its own correspondents, subsidiary agencies and partners. The broadcasting field of REGNUM news agency covers all regions of Russia and the neighboring states of Europe, Central Asia and the Caucasus
    NON-STATE. Hence the article with stock.
  • Babai Balkan
    Babai Balkan 18 November 2015 06: 32 New
    +2
    I liked Xanna's appeal of the word "city"! Yesterday we have a toilet in the park that swam with shit .... at the waste it is considered that the whole city is in G, people in it are also G and shit trucks should pump out the whole city ???
  • Just BB
    Just BB 18 November 2015 06: 34 New
    +2
    The title of the article reminds of an old anecdote: "Will we use tanks all at once or one at a time?" but it sounds "strong"!
    If in terms of the nomenclature of aircraft types, then perhaps everything is correct.
    If, according to the ammunition nomenclature, this is just "that the soldier in the pouch had"
    If all videoconferencing as a structure .... here, the author is a "two", even without comments !!!


    Of course, the use of long-range aviation is "a bit unusual" in this situation, but, perhaps, justified in terms of inflicting a psychological blow (akin to the bombing of Berlin by Soviet aviation in 1941) - aircraft from Latakia can reach Raqqa, but the bomb load will yield to the fuel supply - the effect will turn out small, but here "strong and neat !!!" or "soak in the toilet"(that is, in the "capital")
  • hohkn
    hohkn 18 November 2015 06: 36 New
    +2
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Well zapuhay with grief or go to a rally, against Russia's attacks on Raqqa. Black flag in hand, poster "Hands off ISIS"

    Gee! I wonder how far can go with this poster? Wangyu - no more than a couple of blocks. And then - that I am too tolerant. hi Adequate people will strangle quietly.
  • Ryazanets
    Ryazanets 18 November 2015 06: 43 New
    +3
    article is nonsense
    The military would never have allowed to use the minimum necessary for defense, and the factories for the production of missiles in 3 shifts and worked under the Union, because there are few of them. minus the author of the article angry
  • Utlan
    Utlan 18 November 2015 06: 45 New
    +2
    Syria is now a great training ground for breaking in the latest weapons. They tell us about the part and keep silent about other tests. Such a chance for gunsmiths is very rare.
  • sergey4920
    sergey4920 18 November 2015 06: 49 New
    -1
    Another oh-so-so-so-so ... sofa expert!
  • antikilller55
    antikilller55 18 November 2015 07: 27 New
    0
    There are most positive comments, but for some reason the article is zipped, what is the reason? Yes, we use in Syria almost everything that is combat-ready on hand, but with high-precision weapons is not yet as thick as we would like so what? This is all a matter of gain. the main experience and the result of the work of the videoconferencing system, what are minuscors dissatisfied with?
  • Gavril
    Gavril 18 November 2015 07: 41 New
    +2
    If you argue from the point of view of the state, everything that exploded in Syria costs as much as the price of scrap metal and chemicals in fuel and stuffing by weight (metal lies there, fuel burned, explosives exploded)! Since we all do it ourselves !!! And all the money that went to purchase these weapons from OUR enterprises revolves in OUR system and over time in the form of taxes will end up in the bins of our country!

    For example, this is how the United States makes money from wars.
  • Neophyte
    Neophyte 18 November 2015 07: 45 New
    +1
    "Minus signers" require continuous victorious reports, and the article reflects the problems that need to be solved? You might think that in any, even such a situation, there are no such problems. Everything will work out, Russia with such a talented and
    selfless people able to overcome the difficulties!
  • Just BB
    Just BB 18 November 2015 07: 56 New
    +1
    BLOND


    3) 4 x nuclear bombs with the power of 5, 20 (?), 50 (?) Mt



    hi , I'm sorry if you are so informed - why so easily throw Megatons?
    Even 4x5 is "Stalin's Strait"
    1. ARS56
      ARS56 18 November 2015 09: 17 New
      0
      Do you really think that when 50Mt crashed over Novaya Zemlya, instead of an island, a depression formed there? Alas. There is "just" a vitrified surface ...
      1. Just BB
        Just BB 19 November 2015 05: 08 New
        0
        AN602 remained the only one in history. Scale scared
        The diameter of the fireball was more than nine kilometers. The impact was felt by all the inhabitants of the planet, since the seismic wave formed as a result of the explosion circled the Earth three times.

        And the American "Shrimp" (only 15Mt instead of 6 calculated ones) made a "rustle".
        And here a friend routinely armed one (!) TU-160 with four (!) "Tsar bombs" (by the way, by its size - only 2 bully
  • petr1965
    petr1965 18 November 2015 07: 59 New
    0
    fool from the next gain in the world there may be no stone left
  • DenZ
    DenZ 18 November 2015 08: 20 New
    0
    At least 6 of these cruise missiles were used from the Tu-160 - this is the maximum load of this aircraft, if this ammunition is used

    Strange, Wikipedia (let it not be in vain) claims that the Tu-160 can carry 12 such missiles (x-101), the author is only 6. Somehow more Wikipedia is believed.
  • combat66
    combat66 18 November 2015 08: 31 New
    +4
    Quote: Xanna 
    This is different for you spilled blood ...

    Yes, for me it is different! I just know that in a war there is no border between killing "righteous" and "unrighteous". I feel sorry for the dead civilians of Raqqa, but I am incomparably bitter after the death of the Russians. Therefore, Yes, the shed blood is different.
    1. Xanna
      Xanna 18 November 2015 08: 59 New
      0
      I just think that it was possible to approach the issue of revenge differently.
      It was not necessary to do just that, so frankly it looks like what we condemn so much.
      Thank you for saying honestly, not hiding behind slogans.

      And yet, I think it could have been otherwise ...
  • solovey
    solovey 18 November 2015 08: 37 New
    +1
    Article plus !!!!
    About 10 years ago it was necessary to talk not about ammunition but about the training of pilots, because we didn’t do this at all then. It so happened that officers were promoted to captains and flew only on a simulator PRESENT WHAT PREPARATION !!!
  • sergey4920
    sergey4920 18 November 2015 08: 38 New
    0
    Quote: Dmitry Potapov
    You might think someone has more money. Steeper only nuclear weapons. The author is clearly from the liberals of the funeral team of Russia.
  • maks007
    maks007 18 November 2015 08: 50 New
    +1
    Quote: Xanna

    It’s impossible to bomb Donetsk, but what can Raqq ?!

    What is bombing in your concept?
    Is there a difference for you in the word shelling from the city’s territory (you can imagine) of Donetsk and choosing a target for shelling or the use of the X-101 cruise missile in Syria with an accuracy of no more than 2-5m also with the choice of target. Just remember the war in Syria has been going on for 4 years.
  • icas
    icas 18 November 2015 09: 16 New
    +1
    "... the main" workhorses "of the Russian Aerospace Forces in Syria remain the FAB-250 and FAB-500 high-explosive bombs. ...
    High-explosive bombs (FAB) have a damaging effect that is quite acceptable for this conflict. They are used against enemy manpower and equipment, as well as non-reinforced communications. It is worth noting that the IS fortifications are mostly homemade, so there is not always a need to drop penetrating bombs or concrete-piercing bombs on them, often FAB can be dispensed with. "- Army Bulletin.
    There is no need to echo the US "experts" that the Russian Federation has only a few high-precision bombs and missiles.
  • twincam
    twincam 18 November 2015 09: 17 New
    -1
    generally broke the author of the article as a heating pad)))
    gag confirmed unconfirmed by any facts.
  • Mestny
    Mestny 18 November 2015 09: 20 New
    -2
    Quote: SSR
    The author makes some one-sided conclusions from the position of "everything is bad" and I would like to ask him a simple question.

    Yes, this is all an old song about the main thing - that Russia either everything is rusty or stolen.
    Now, when it became clear that the first 2 points did not go through, they came up with the idea that there were only a few. Say at the limit, everything is exhausted.
    The main idea - they have a little left, the end is near, a colossus with feet of clay and so on.
    Absolutely nothing new.
    And that "the shortcomings must be eliminated" as the author writes - so who can argue?
    But it’s like a cherry on a cake. So that the patriots do not scold for the screw screwed into an article about another Russian weakness.
  • Gur
    Gur 18 November 2015 09: 38 New
    +1
    Quote: Xanna
    I was against it when Donetsk was bombed, I consider the ISIS, al-Nusra terrorists moderate, because peaceful people are chewing in Damascus, they live in Donetsk and they live in Lugansk !!!

    I just thought that we were better ... We didn’t do that, we didn’t bomb the cities.

    Guys, you are now applying the double standards that you scolded so yesterday!

    If Damascus, Lugansk, Donetsk, etc. You can’t bomb, then Rakku can’t be either!

    Why are we beginning to justify ourselves ?! We are not like that, we are not "exceptional" ... Where could you, citizens ?! Who said that people in Raqqa are worse than in Damascus ?!
    I am matured by the fact that today we have fallen to the level of terrorists!
    You can ban me, minus me, etc. I do not care. For me, the standards are the same for everyone, including for myself.
    Cities can not be bombed, and this is not discussed, there can be no excuse!



    one question. What is the confirmed data on the deaths of civilians? why the cheese boron, I think chtol ours struck with precision missiles and not at schools, who said that civilians died?
    1. Xanna
      Xanna 18 November 2015 09: 51 New
      -2
      I repeat, for those who are in the tank!
      And here is a precision weapon!
      I’m talking about the radius of destruction with these weapons and about the fact that the targets were in a city in which about 300 people live!
      Of course, you can bomb accurately, but if you have a radius of destruction of a hundred meters - the city from your precision is not cold, not hot!
      1. xtur
        xtur 18 November 2015 16: 32 New
        +2
        > I repeat, for those in the tank!

        I’ve defended you so far, and now I have to remind you that you don’t have to be rude

        > And here high-precision weapons!
        > I'm talking about the range of these weapons and the fact that the targets were in a city with a population of about 300 people!


        Do you really think that the city is one big room equal to the radius of the bomb, within which 300 people are placed?


        the accuracy of the weapon despite the fact that if they aim at the middle of a large military object, they will fall into the middle, and the power is such that everything located beyond the borders of this object will not be able to suffer, because after a flight of several thousand km the rocket will not be able to carry such the amount of explosives, so that the radius of damage would be very large, given that the radius of damage from the mass of explosives depends on the cubic root. Specifically for the X-101, this is 400 kg - the radius of damage at the level of 30m

        So if you continue to talk about what precision weapons have to do with it, it will already be trolling, and it turns out that those who minus you will be right
      2. Just BB
        Just BB 19 November 2015 05: 42 New
        0
        Of course, you can bomb accurately, but if you have a radius of destruction of a hundred meters - the city from your precision is not cold, not hot!


        the radius of the bomb dropped on Nagasaki was only one hundred meters.

        the radius of a reliable defeat should be considered such a distance from the place of the explosion of the bomb, at which, by the density of the expansion of the fragments and their penetrative ability, the probability of destruction of this object reaches 50% and higher


        FAB-250 damage zone radii zone of severe damage - 28 meters; zone of average damage -56 meters; zone of light damage -112 meters.
        The zone of severe damage should be understood as damage to masonry, the zone of moderate damage - damage to wooden walls and parts of buildings, the zone of light damage - breaking glass, shifting shingles, etc.


        That's why it is high-precision, in order to guarantee "not to carry" excess explosives
  • marinier
    marinier 18 November 2015 09: 54 New
    -2
    Good time of the day!
    In my opinion, the author has slightly exaggerated the colors in statite. Not so bad.
    There is enough modern Orusia in the Russian Army. Another matter of possibility
    the bases of this base have been used. In my opinion, it would be cerebral
    Iraqis. Moreover, such information was in print. And those forces that use
    V.K.S. in a compartment with a new base in Iraq, the length of the igil would be enough. Yet not
    it would be bad to see a more active part of Iran. I have a case of Russia with a rather high-precision weapon. In general, its time.
    Uda4 and V.K.S.
  • nivander
    nivander 18 November 2015 09: 56 New
    -1
    strange it is Leonid Nersisyan, well, he doesn’t see any potential for enhancing ISIS attacks, and the RKKF has no other options for pouring wine bystryukas apart from the aircraft carrier. Besides the Caspian flotilla, there is also a Black Sea Fleet and a submarine in the Mediterranean
  • Aleksey11
    Aleksey11 18 November 2015 10: 20 New
    0
    There is potential. Placement on the Kveiris base of shock drones and electronic intelligence equipment.
  • Earnest
    Earnest 18 November 2015 10: 25 New
    +3
    Quote: Xanna
    I just think that it was possible to approach the issue of revenge differently.
    It was not necessary to do just that, so frankly it looks like what we condemn so much.
    Thank you for saying honestly, not hiding behind slogans.

    And yet, I think it could have been otherwise ...

    I don’t understand in any way - do you have any new information about our airstrikes, what do you declare about the blood of non-combatants shed by us? Or have you been flooded with the name of the city in the vicinity and in whose territory ISIS infrastructure, forces and assets are being destroyed?
    Quote: Xanna
    Of course, you can bomb accurately, but if you have a radius of destruction of a hundred meters - the city from your precision is not cold, not hot!

    That is, you read "struck a blow at Raqqa" and ODAB-1000 and ZAB-500 stood before your eyes, hundreds of them dumped into residential areas? Explain finally, is it your mistake because of incompetence or you give in to the dilemma "is it possible to shoot a militant who seized the emergency room of the hospital?" You see, in the opinion of the majority of the "topvar" members of the forum, it is not only possible to shoot at such people, but it is also necessary twice as intense as in an open field. So that it was discouraging. And you need to bomb their houses. Warehouses, orchards, shops and roads. Ask, how are we then different from the same dill? By the fact that the dillmen bombed and bombed NOT TERRORISTS, but chose the targets of strikes on national and political grounds. "Rusnyu", "vatnikov", "separatists", only calling them terrorists.
  • Valentine
    Valentine 18 November 2015 10: 58 New
    +1
    Actually, Regnum is a lousy and petty publication, something like "Echo of Moscow", you can see its "owner" from the former, Yeltsin ... No, not all "cards"
    Russia pulled out of its sleeve, "there is still gunpowder in the flasks," or maybe a piano in the bushes, so do not lament, gentlemen from Regnum, do not bury the Russian defense industry - we have enough for our enemies.
  • Evgeny RS
    Evgeny RS 18 November 2015 11: 10 New
    +1
    I am waiting for the use of bombs that level the landscape, 5000 tons, 9000 tons.
    If you drop such a bomb to the height occupied by the enemy, and there are many of them, then, probably, nothing more will be needed and the ATS will be able to take it without a fight.
    1. Just BB
      Just BB 19 November 2015 05: 52 New
      0
      Heavy high-explosive bombs were used quite intensively in the Afghan war. So, in just three months of 1988, Tu-16 bombers dropped 289 FAB-9000M-54 bombs. However, the real effect of the use of heavy high-explosive bombs was small. The radius of the lethal shock by the FAB-3000 shock wave did not exceed 39 m, while for the FAB-9000 it was 57 m, respectively. Disabled concussions with bleeding from the nose and ears, the enemy received, respectively, in a radius of 158 and 225 m. action in the mountains thick-walled FAB-1500-2600TS.

      An even more powerful weapon was created in Russia - this is an aviation vacuum bomb. Her second name is “Dad of All Bombs.” In TNT equivalent, explosive power is forty-four tons.


      But, alas, "inhuman" - pacifists will raise a noise
  • Evgeny RS
    Evgeny RS 18 November 2015 11: 24 New
    0
    Unfortunately ...
    About FAB-9000
    “Its carriers were Tu-95, Tu-16, Tu-22, 3M and M4 bombers. Of the currently available, only Tu-95MS and Tu-160 can theoretically carry such bombs, but practically not. Tu-95MS, according to its instructions, is called a platform and can only use cruise missiles suspended on an internal sling. For other purposes it is not intended. Tu-160 can carry all types of bombs, but it is a strategic bomber. Thus, Tu-95 and Tu-160 are adapted for missiles, and carriers of this there are no bombs left in the ranks. "
  • roskot
    roskot 18 November 2015 12: 28 New
    0
    Russia threw into the fight against LIH almost everything that is in VKS

    Did one grandmother tell you this or did he come up with it?
  • Maksim
    Maksim 18 November 2015 12: 38 New
    +1
    Quote: Xanna
    Well, you really fucked up!
    Nationality and do not touch my homeland!
    Brainless shkolota!

    In this case, the Russian person would write the Motherland, or the Russian simply did not finish it. And also called shkolotoy hi