Dmitry Anatolyevich, will the roads lead to a full budget?

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Once behind all the fuss with the payment of Ukrainian debt, triumphant reports from Syria, anti-doping scandals, facts that do not affect foreign policy fell out of sight. But quite a concern to the inside. That is, simple Russian inhabitants. It seems to concern.



First made noise the law on the introduction of fees for the use of federal highways. On the one hand, the “go-pay” scheme is not a very bad thing. And the fact that they took up the truck, which just cause the roads the greatest damage, not bad. The idea itself is good. Let those who use them pay for road repairs.

However, do not forget which country we live in. And we live in Russia. And that is why I am not referring to this law with prejudice, but with the understanding that "they wanted the best, but it turned out as always."

That is why there is a firm conviction that behind the very quickly calmed "dalnoboev" you should only wait for a new round of prices. At best, by the way. At worst, it all depends on the greed of the carriers. 30 rubles or 33 per kilometer, taking into account the new burden - do you still pay to whom? That's right, the end user. That is us. Not in the rules of the Russian burden of budgets payouts. The easiest way to pass it on to the shoulders of these very end users.

So with the introduction of the final rate, it is worth expecting precisely price increases. Dmitry Leonov, Deputy Chairman of the Board of the Rusprodsoyuz Association of Producers and Suppliers of Food Products, believes that the greatest price increase (up to 15 percent) should be expected for bread and pasta - up to 15%, salt may rise in price to 13%, cereals - up to 7%, sunflower oil and milk - up to 5%.

The deputy head of Rosavtodor, Dmitry Pronchatov, states that there is no risk of a rise in price for goods:

“There is no reason to fear a noticeable rise in price for bread, flour, milk and other consumer goods in 2016. 12 toners account for only 8,5% of such shipments, and the bulk of the products transported on the roads — about 83% — are bulk materials. ”

So, just go up.

It is clear that in Avtodor it is aware that who carries what and how. This I noticed with a fair amount of malice. In fact, that, where and how a huge army of private truckers-entrepreneurs carries, no one can calculate and really say. But for them the hard times really came.

It’s no secret that even private owners were driven into the PI, they were forced to write and submit reports to the tax department, but it is clear that all this was done accordingly. I have some experience of close cooperation with representatives of this tribe, so it is safe to say that any truck driver from 1,5 to 40 carries on the checkout only what is impossible to do. Cashless transactions with agencies or shippers. But it is clear that cash is welcome.

Now, with the help of all the innovations, you can easily and naturally track all movements of the truck. And on the basis of these data to draw conclusions on how this entrepreneur works. And, of course, taxed. At a profit.

The same applies to transport companies. All transport is obtained under the gun not only from Avtodor, but also from the tax authorities.

There is where to howl and start a protest.

Of course, talking about the fact that the launch of the "Plato" system will completely destroy the "gray" schemes can only be in schools. There they will believe. And Vano and Gadzhi both loaded kamAZ 25 tons of watermelons and will ship. As the driver stopped in front of the scales and ran to the inspectors, so he will run. And the roads from this will not be better for sure.

Who rode south on the M4, certainly remember the city of Pavlovsk. And huge "Tonary" with rubble. Pavlovskgranit, OJSC carries this rubble in such quantities that it is these three rubles - as an elephant. And the road? The consequences are visible. They are repaired every year. But “Tonara” continue to walk as if nothing had happened. And they will walk. Because the railway is expensive to carry.

But it is already completely different. storyour railways. Let's return to the federal highways.

Everything is easier with them. New tax on 12-ton trucks came up and put into operation. We are waiting for the results. It is clear that I am not talking about global road repairs (that the Saratov and Volgograd regions would not hurt). Money is not worth waiting for quickly, and the repair itself too. The money will go to the budget, this is understandable. But not directly, but through the operator. LLC RT-Invest Transport Systems (RTITS).

Naturally, the operator will, from the collected funds, pay for the maintenance of 100 distribution points of his Platon system, pay salaries to the apparatus and the inspectors working on the highways, contain a mass of vehicles for the apparatus and inspectors. I think everyone understood what I mean. About the appearance of another trough.

True, I hope that on the roads all the same something will remain.

Now a few words about the very budget to which this tax should flow. It is clear that with the budget everything is sad. And it is necessary to fill it. Even at the expense of road users, so that at least something fell on these roads. In the form of asphalt. Because my experience with the roads of the Saratov, Tambov and Volgograd regions says that it is a pity that there was no war there. You look, there would be an occasion to make them (roads).

But excuse me, do we really have nowhere else to take the money? It seems to me that there is.

Rosneft board members earned 9 billion rubles for 2015 months 3,253 of the year, follows from the company reporting under RAS.

Including the salary of top managers amounted to 545,267 million rubles, the premium - 2,006 billion rubles, other remuneration reached 647,453 million rubles.

Other rewards are services contracts, material assistance, awards and gifts.

In Rosneft, however, they believe that payments of other types of remuneration for 3 quarter of 2015 are due to the requirements of current legislation and do not exceed the same amount for the previous year. There was no significant increase in remuneration in the 3 quarter of 2015, the principal amount was generated in the 2 quarter of 2015. This effect was due to the payment of premiums for the implementation of significant projects, as well as the payment of premiums for awards. At the same time, the total amount of general and administrative expenses of Rosneft (legal entity) OJSC decreased by 11%. Salary payments for the 3 quarter of 2015 amounted to 150 mln. Rubles, which is less than the average quarterly payments for the 1 half-year 2015. . (197 million rubles. For the quarter).

That is, the salaries were lowered, it is clear that not to the management team, but bonuses that are taxed at a different rate were raised.

The company’s board currently includes 11 people. Last year, Rosneft managers earned 2,797 billion rubles.

A big ship is a big voyage, right? No, it's good, of course, that Rosneft is developing and rewarding its employees for implementing "significant projects." Just why these projects in no way affect the price of gas for us, the consumers?

After all, no matter what happens in the world, our fuel prices have one reaction, like an amoeba - up. The price of oil has fallen, the dollar has risen in price, or vice versa - everyone is already used to the fact that the price of gas will only increase. Well, and behind it all the rest.

Constancy - a sign of skill?

And who are these masters whose services cost us so much? For us - because Rosneft is a state-owned company. And works with subsoil, which according to Art. 9 Constitution of Russia belong to whom? That's right, the state. Do not people, as some naive.

The Constitution of the Russian Federation.
Article 9.
1. Land and other natural resources are used and protected in the Russian Federation as the basis of the life and activities of the peoples living in the relevant territory.
2. Land and other natural resources may be in private, state, municipal and other forms of ownership.


Subsoil Law is also an interesting thing.

RF Law "On Subsoil" from 21.02.1992 N 2395-1.

Article 1.2. Ownership of the subsoil.
The subsoil within the territory of the Russian Federation, including underground space and minerals, energy and other resources contained in the subsoil, are state property. The issues of ownership, use and disposal of mineral resources are under the joint jurisdiction of the Russian Federation and the subjects of the Russian Federation.

Subsoil plots cannot be the subject of purchase, sale, donation, inheritance, contribution, pledge or alienate in any other form. Subsoil use rights may be alienated or transferred from one person to another to the extent that their turnover is permitted by federal laws.

Minerals and other resources extracted from the subsoil can be in federal state ownership, property of the constituent entities of the Russian Federation, municipal, private and other forms of ownership under the terms of the license.


That is, the property - from the state, but not from the people, and anyone can use it, and it can be obtained from not popular, but at least state, subsoil, in general, can belong to anyone.

Well, here it is, the state, represented by the top of Rosneft. To whom all this, apparently, belongs.

Board of Directors. Head, so to speak (http://www.rosneft.ru/about/board/).

Igor Sechin
Andrey Belousov
Andrey Akimov
Oleg Vyugin
Alexander Novak. This is a minister, true, but one does not interfere. In the state.

Matthias Warning
Robert Dudley
Guillermo Quintero
Donald Humphries

Nothing embarrassed anyone? Then go to the board, which was discussed initially. And then we here Ukrainians with might and main criticize for Abromavicius and Saakashvili ... Although we can, these are not in our ministers go.

Management Board (http://www.rosneft.ru/about/Management/).

Igor Sechin
Yuri Kalinin
Andrey Shishkin
Petr Lazarev
Yuri Narushevich
Svyatoslav Slavinsky
Larisa Kalanda

Eric Liron
Didier Kasimiro
Zeljko Runje

I'd like to ask: why did it happen? We are told constantly that there is a crisis in the country, caused by the sanctions of the West, among other things. Inflation is rising in the country, GDP is decreasing in the country, and the budget is bursting at the seams. And here we observe a frank celebration of life. Billionth.

In the summer, Rosneft reported that the company's board decided to index wages only for the labor collectives of subsidiaries. In this case, the indexation of salaries of employees of the central office will not be held, the Rosneft message said.

Well, you know, at such and such rates also index ...

And these miracle managers 11 last year earned 2,797 billion rubles. And then the crisis struck. And for the three quarters of this year, they earned 3,253 billion rubles. And no matter how the evening. For the remaining three months, exactly another billionaire will be pinned.

This, I think, is the spittle. And many will be more abruptly. Serdyukov? Vasiliev? Come on, kindergarten, the average group compared to these whales business.

And we wonder why gasoline prices are rising, and we have never received any clear explanation for this. Although we continue to shove the pistols into the tanks and draw money to the cashier. And here they are. Including.
This is not envy, no. I just can not imagine what can be done with such money. What to spend For I am an average Russian, and I cannot even see such figures in a dream. And good, I guess. I will sleep better.

Poke your nose in such cases - alas. Brain is not enough. But when our prime minister voices budget problems and tries to compensate them with another project at our expense, I would like to ask a malicious question: at the expense of the state in any way? Will these 11 super-managers die in agony if they don’t get that billion? Do you have to pay those who receive tens of thousands of times less?

Apparently, to be in Russia and to be in business in the state of Russia are very different things.

I don’t want to say that the idea of ​​taxes on roads and the Plato system is meaningless, like many others. But if we draw an analogy with the idea of ​​putting all dalnoboev on a tachograph counter, it will also die.

So is not it easier to look for money where they exactly have? In the pockets of Russian state managers. No, taxes by itself, but two billion is better than one.

And the last. We are very strongly convinced lately that the crisis and all that. It is necessary to wait, endure, everything will be fine.

Maybe we should start with yourself?

And then the moment is not far off when the main mass is really not enough triumphant reports from Syria and Ukrainian jokes.
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  1. +44
    19 November 2015 06: 04
    I’m all thinking when something will bring Dmitry Anatolyevich Medvedev, with all his pack, to real terms of ten or more with confiscation ... I dream !!!
    1. +34
      19 November 2015 06: 31
      Vladimirich (2) RU Today, 06:04 AM New

      I’m all thinking when something will bring Dmitry Anatolich Medvedev with all his pack to terms of ten or more ... I dream !!!
      Dreaming is not harmful; it is not harmful to dream.
      The paradox of our judicial system: you steal (harm) more - they will give less (or they will give more, order for example).
      For example, it is not clear to me why Putin is holding him? An agreement? The personality, my opinion, is completely worthless.
      What was marked during the presidency:
      -shuffled time zones like cards,
      - canceled the transfer of hours,
      renamed the police laughing ,
      - pushed energy-saving light bulbs,
      -Skolkovo,
      -protection of South Ossetia.
      Is that what the president should do?
      Ossetia doesn’t count. I think it would merge like Libya if Putin hadn’t been prime minister.
      All the attempts of the current government lead to a sad result, an increase in prices. We have already reached complete rudeness, they’re reaching into the pocket of pensioners (Pension Fund)
      And take it, introduce a progressive tax!
      "As you can! This is my pocket!"
      At the time of Putin’s premiership, ministers took the lead, but now only manage to drive them away from the trough.
      1. +15
        19 November 2015 06: 39
        I forgot about the prom ...
      2. +5
        19 November 2015 06: 42
        Quote: Andrea
        What was marked during the presidency:


        Forgotten his philosophical delights: " Freedom is better than non-freedom! "
        After that, he disappeared for me forever .....
      3. +3
        19 November 2015 07: 50
        Andrea; As a presidential candidate in M. Dm.An. passionately desired to obtain citizenship of the state of Israel.

        Not all dreams come true, but not all are forgotten

        The interests of which state was going to defend Mr. DM.Anat.M.?
        And whose interests are being watched today ...
        1. 0
          19 November 2015 10: 46
          Quote: Very old
          As a presidential candidate in M. Dm.An passionately desired to obtain citizenship of the state of Israel. Not all dreams come true, but not all are forgotten

          That anti-Semitism does not give life at all?
          According to the Constitution of the Russian Federation, a presidential candidate does not have the right to be a person with dual citizenship
          Quote: Very old
          The interests of which state was going to protect Mr. Dm.Anat.M. And whose interests are being watched today ...

          Russia.
          In tandem with GDPutin
          1. -2
            19 November 2015 11: 20
            Does it know if your opponent in the face of menia will accept
            the citizenship of Russia. Will I be able to nominate his candida
            a round for the presidential election in Russia?
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            2. 0
              19 November 2015 12: 29
              Quote: marinier
              Does it know if your opponent in the person of menia will take the Russian citizenship

              You are not my opponent, if you only refuse Moldavian
              Quote: marinier
              . Will I be able to nominate my candidacy for the Russian presidential election?

              You can nominate - only who will vote for you
      4. +11
        19 November 2015 08: 00
        Let's separate the flies from the cutlets.
        Of course, I understand that kicking Medvedev is a national sport.
        But let's be honest. for all its anti-charisma and silly look
        1. nevertheless, the president of the people of Russia chose him
        2. There are, after all, things that can be credited to him.
        1. Energy-saving light bulbs 9 this is certainly not the business of the president 0 - but the business is generally good and necessary
        2. Skolkovo - a wonderful and necessary idea for Russia. the fact that it turned into another cut of dough 9 and by the way continues 0 - is it Medvedev’s fault alone?
        3. Ossetia - well, this is clearly a plus. like to whom or not, and type inference
        Quote: Andrea
        Ossetia doesn’t count. I think it would be merged like Libya if Putin hadn’t been prime minister

        but Libya then merged-when Putin was the prime minister. And in general. let's look soberly - Putin-Medvedev --- tandem and consider their work separately - giving all the pluses to Putin. and cons to Medvedev (it’s clear that this is so strategically conceived), but in general it’s funny and short-sighted
        Quote: Andrea
        All the attempts of the current government lead to a sad result, an increase in prices. We have already reached complete rudeness, they’re reaching into the pocket of pensioners (Pension Fund)

        it is the result of the entire economic policy of both the president Putin and the prime minister prime minister — and vice versa.
        Quote: Andrea
        And take it, introduce a progressive tax! "“ As much as possible! This is my pocket! At the time of Putin’s premiership, the ministers took the lead. And now only have time to drive them away from the trough.

        Well, right - as Putin should be good - Medvedev - bad.
        Although in general - it's just Siamese twins.
        More precisely, I would say Yin and Yang - two parts of one whole.
        1. +5
          19 November 2015 08: 10
          ZITs, vice president
          And that says it all - "The pound always sat. He sat under tsarism, under socialism, under military communism, during the NEP ... before and after the intoxication of NEP ...

          Of course, hoping that he will still sit well is empty

          Who will put him in prison? He is a monument to Russian patience hi
        2. 0
          19 November 2015 08: 29
          Quote: atalef
          1. nevertheless, the president of the people of Russia chose him

          He will receive a large degree of support from the army and navy.
          1. 0
            19 November 2015 10: 49
            Quote: 70BSN
            Quote: atalef
            1. nevertheless, the president of the people of Russia chose him

            He will receive a large degree of support from the army and navy.


            those of Russia have 3 allies - the Army, Navy and Medvedev wink
          2. 0
            19 November 2015 10: 49
            Quote: 70BSN
            Quote: atalef
            1. nevertheless, the president of the people of Russia chose him

            He will receive a large degree of support from the army and navy.


            those of Russia have 3 allies - the Army, Navy and Medvedev wink
      5. +1
        19 November 2015 10: 05

        -protection of South Ossetia.


        In my memory, at that time, DAM was sailing in a river on a motor ship, and it seemed like I was giving a command from Beijing to Beijing.

        In general, I have not heard that Medvedev put 080808 in plus, only GDP.
    2. +7
      19 November 2015 06: 48
      and who will plant something? Putin? They told you long ago and bluntly- TANDEM. WHAT IS NOT CLEAR?
    3. +6
      19 November 2015 10: 11
      What are we talking about what billions of rubles? What is the budget? And its poor occupancy? MONEY in the country FALL UP! You ask, what would it take? And very simply, in August, our country bought US government bonds in the amount of 21.5 billion \ dollars !!! This is at the rate of 65 \ 1 = 1 397.5 !!! One trillion three hundred and ninety-seven and a half billion \ rub!! And you say no money ...
  2. +26
    19 November 2015 06: 07
    I must say that gas prices are such that at least federal roads should shine like ... Faberge. Something with this money can not figure it out.
    1. +5
      19 November 2015 07: 03
      Well, you know two troubles in Russia ... and then a third fell on our head-Medvedev.
    2. +2
      19 November 2015 08: 13
      And the FAQ is to "deal" with them
      Dismantled! Huh huh !! wassat
    3. +8
      19 November 2015 08: 22
      Quote: venaya
      I must say that gas prices are such that at least federal roads should shine like ... Faberge. Something with this money can not figure it out.

      100%. I remember that they promised to introduce an excise tax on fuel and lubricants and to abolish the transport tax. like, dvigun big, ride a lot, pay more. the result - fuel and lubricants at insane prices, the tax is still there. that is, people are skinned twice. now plato. and wagons - the first crow. I think the broom will go even lower - it will reach the medium-tonnage vehicles, and eventually to the gazelles. and the carriers will pay not only for the federals, but also for the regional roads-directions. and will be left to the governors.
      now on the article. Here is the moment rezanul - And Vano and Gadzhi, as they loaded 25 tons of watermelons into KamAZ, will be loaded . apparently Roman is not in the know, 25 tons a long time ago and Vani and Sasha are loaded. and Vano and Haji load 40-50 tons each. in the heat under their kamaz, asphalt spreads like a sour water. easy and laid back.
      farther. ... As the driver stopped in front of the scales and ran to the inspectors, so he will run. And the roads from this will not get better. drivers from the Caucasus don't stop in front of the scales. they ride in a couple, so that the KAMAZ creeps slowly, and the changer runs to the weight, puts money, and jumps on the go. for if the kamaz stops, it can then not be moved, because of the weight that is loaded in it ...
      so it’s not platoons that should be introduced, but to put traffic cops on. and the higher it sits, the longer it is.
      1. +8
        19 November 2015 09: 24
        Excise tax + vehicle tax (for trucks - the amount is breathtaking) + tolls .... Is this normal? Where else in the world do they do that?

        And the second ... Railway transportation was completely killed - before the railway tracks were brought to each plant and to each base - and now they were all pulled out and sold ...
        1. +2
          19 November 2015 12: 21
          Quote: Bombardier
          Excise tax + vehicle tax (for trucks - the amount is breathtaking) + tolls .... Is this normal? Where else in the world do they do that?
          And the second ... Railway transportation was completely killed - before the railway tracks were brought to each plant and to each base - and now they were all pulled out and sold ...

          I agree 100%, it is the inept management of Russian Railways by Yakunin and, as a result, high tariffs, an abundance of manual labor and a decrease in passenger traffic that kill industry and Russian roads.
          And yes, it’s chaos in the management of state corporations. Illiterate humanities settled in the chairs of technologically special industries, the price of their incompetent management is, at the very least, stagnation that degenerates. And for all this we still pay a multiple price. Full surr.
      2. +1
        19 November 2015 18: 16
        Quote: RBLip
        I think the broom will go even lower - it will reach the medium-tonnage vehicles, and eventually to the gazelles. and the carriers will pay not only for the federals, but also for the regional roads-directions. and will be left to the governors.

        You're right. The government already has such plans.
        "Quiet truckers" struck in the eyes. They actually just stood in the garage to protest and that's it. Some of them organize road protests. Even several hundred heavy trucks are assembled. In Dagestan, it seems, the roads were generally blocked. But our news, the most democratic and independent, is silent about this. The fact that protest actions are taking place can only be learned from such news as "The driver of a heavy truck hit several people who were taking part in the protest action." Today there was such news.
        There is one more aspect, which the author did not mention: when creating "Platon" it was calculated that the average mileage per year for a truck is 8-9 thousand km. Accordingly, they wanted to collect 50 billion rubles a year, of which 10 would be given to the very same RT-Invest LLC. In fact, the average mileage is much higher, which means that more money will be collected (according to some estimates, up to 600 billion). The remaining 550 billion, I wonder where will it go?
        By the way, I forgot to say that one of the founders of this RT Invest LLC is the son of Rotenberg, a friend of our Putin. Feel the swing, as they say. That there are 2-3 billion for any Lukoil, with "Dodger" we are already talking about tens, if not hundreds of billions.
    4. +3
      19 November 2015 09: 30
      Quote: venaya
      I must say that gas prices are such that at least federal roads should shine like ... Faberge. Something with this money can not figure it out.


      The roads. And their construction with repair, this is such a Klondike for those who know ...
      1. 0
        19 November 2015 13: 19
        Quote: sherp2015
        The roads. And their construction with repair, this is such a Klondike for those who know ...

        This is the misery of our government that they opened this "klandike" in our pockets.
        Moreover, as we see from the materials of the article and comments, without even bothering to cover up an undisguised neglect of 90% of the country's population.
        Somehow I think so, colleague. hi
      2. 0
        19 November 2015 13: 40
        Legends in Moscow go about the reconstruction of the MKAD, and my friend earned fantastic money on a cable for lighting.
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  3. +8
    19 November 2015 06: 08
    Yes, and the progressive income tax is finally legalized! good
    1. +1
      19 November 2015 12: 23
      Quote: Koshak
      Yes, and the progressive income tax is finally legalized!

      As well as the maximum difference in income of the least paid employee and the highest paid, as in Germany of the 80s. Let's say 10 times that. There will be no desire to build slave empires from state corporations.
  4. +2
    19 November 2015 06: 08
    All these taxes will fall on the shoulders of people, and even if DAM sounds 100% next to this tax! (And most likely 150!)
    1. +2
      19 November 2015 06: 24
      In Russia there has always been and is (probably will be) - ordinary people pay for everything.
      1. 0
        19 November 2015 10: 14
        And the budget will not receive money from this toll, not even frail, even if we take a rate of 3 rubles 15 kopecks, multiply by the number of trucks, this is conditionally 500000 and multiply by the annual mileage, roughly 100000 kilometers a year, we get one and a half trillion rubles of taxes to the state treasury , but in fact this amount will be much larger, although now they are going to abolish the transport tax.
      2. +1
        19 November 2015 13: 26
        Quote: SAM 5
        In Russia there has always been and is (probably will be) - ordinary people pay for everything.

        As there was a moment in our history, I mean 1917, when this state of affairs, the people were somewhat tired. True, the result was not entirely successful, but again, it was not at all the fault of the people. I, my colleague, do not call for revolution, but for the fact that the government in general, in my opinion, has dropped the bar for perceiving reality on the Cote d'Azur and the Florida coast.
        Like so, colleague. hi
  5. +7
    19 November 2015 06: 23
    So, a road tax has been laid in fuel, for a long time - who drives and pays - how many people can be robbed!
    1. +1
      19 November 2015 07: 49
      They stole the idea from us, they are engaged in plagiarism. Belarus
  6. +6
    19 November 2015 06: 24
    Minerals and other resources extracted from the subsoil can be in federal state ownership, property of the constituent entities of the Russian Federation, municipal, private and other forms of ownership under the terms of the license.


    The coup d'etat of the EBN of the 1993 of the year in all its glory.
  7. +4
    19 November 2015 06: 39
    why once again tear my heart, it always has been to how many decent people the criminal state system has already broken the ridge, and apparently it will still break ...
  8. +2
    19 November 2015 06: 41
    It is unlikely that Plush will hear it.
  9. +7
    19 November 2015 06: 48
    Quote: Vladimir
    I’m all thinking when something will bring Dmitry Anatolyevich Medvedev, with all his pack, to real terms of ten or more with confiscation ... I dream !!!


    The gathering there is much larger than the prime minister’s apparatus, the presidential administration, the cabinet of ministers, and indeed our entire government can be included in this concept. After all, if you thoroughly understand it, then the people there simply change places from one ministerial chair to another .... and as for the culprit of all our troubles, then I would not directly poke at a specific person, the problem is systemic. Everyone is tied up there and Dmitry Anatolyevich is only part of this system, and the statement of our president that he is satisfied with the work of the government also says a lot :) for example, I didn’t feel much difference from changing the places of the President-Prime Minister in domestic politics, what kind of policy was this and stayed.
  10. +4
    19 November 2015 06: 48
    That's right, Banshee! Truth = uterus in the eye! Without foolishness, I honestly say: I liked it! MB, when articles with such a formulation of the question begin to be published in other means of transmitting information, it will finally come to the power of those in power that the chaos created by them is fraught with consequences.
    1. +7
      19 November 2015 08: 30
      Quote: V.ic
      That's right, Banshee! Truth = uterus in the eye! Without foolishness, I honestly say: I liked it! MB, when articles with such a formulation of the question begin to be published in other means of transmitting information, it will finally come to the power of those in power that the chaos created by them is fraught with consequences.

      Really. the article is interesting and thanks to the novel, which writes articles (so to speak, not looking at the faces), and this applies to most of his articles.
      Generally . what is right. there should be a range of opinions and posing heavy questions. but urgent and topical
      The increase in transportation charges will automatically affect all prices. Of course, I understand. what certain people write - that’s good. there wouldn’t be any money - they didn’t go and that never before had the Russian people lived better than now. but paying 4 km for km (and this is before the flight)
      carriers put in horrible conditions.
      1. Working capital before order execution
      2. An unclear procedure (and whether it is) for a refund, in the case of
      1.Cancel cancellation
      2. car breakdown
      3. freight forwarding
      and even if only people would be sure. that raising taxes will improve the quality of roads.
      In general, quiet glanders -
      1. reserve fund is being sold
      2.Pension money
      3. Rising prices
      4. taxes increase
      5. Raises the retirement age. and at this time
      And these miracle managers 11 last year earned 2,797 billion rubles. And then the crisis struck. And for the three quarters of this year, they earned 3,253 billion rubles. And no matter how the evening. For the remaining three months, exactly another billionaire will be pinned.

      1. +2
        19 November 2015 10: 13
        This is no wonder. It’s in vain that we rush about with priests-kings, like a chicken with eggs. There must be slaves and there must be gentlemen. Slaves must be poor, and gentlemen rich. 16 million below the poverty line is not for you khukh-mukhra. https://news.yandex.ru/yandsearch?cl4url=top.rbc.ru/society/27/03/2015/5515731e9
        a794777d574ea2a & lang = ru & lr = 6

        Now people can understand why now the government is blowing the whole of Ivanovo about desovetization and de-Stalinization. Stalin equalized everyone before the law and in society, and ours is like a sickle in a causal place, they need to be gentlemen and not answer for anything.
      2. 0
        19 November 2015 10: 23
        Quote: atalef
        In general, quiet glanders -
        1. reserve fund is being sold
        2.Pension money
        3. Rising prices
        4. taxes increase
        5. Raises the retirement age. and at this time

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  11. +29
    19 November 2015 07: 11
    Somehow the essence of the article from truckers went towards the salaries of top managers of the oil industry. For me, as the head of a transport company, this is a very sore subject. This road tax is literally sucked from the thumb. No business case was provided. For example, in the late 80s in the USSR, such studies were carried out and a program was adopted to dieselize the fleet and increase the tonnage. Do they (the government) want to carry cargo with "Gazelles"? Duck is not profitable.
    Transport workers work on the verge of profitability. And the strikes were not easy, and they continue. Today, here is the Snail stock, now I'm going to it. cars will go 10 km / h.
    It's a shame that in the news, truckers are represented as greedy, unwilling to pay, swaggering people. Telling what damage the trucks cause to the roads. Sorry, we are not carrying girls in our affairs, but delivering goods. It is ridiculous that the Minister of Transport (Sokolov) publicly says that the main transportation (80%) is bulk cargo. And that there will be no increases (morons bl ..). And that we (Russia) have water, rail and air transport. Like, you’ll be on strike, we’ll block everything. Yeah, I’ll look at him as he will bring 20 tons of milk by water from St. Petersburg to Novosibirsk. The Plato system does not work as intended. Those who signed up in October are recorded to receive the device in March 2016, in fact we do not know when we will receive it. Those who have devices note their glitches. As a write-off of funds 3-4 times or more, for each trip under the frame. The site is buggy, it’s problematic to make money, tech support hangs up without explaining anything.
    PS. I am sure that after prices rise in stores, truckers will be blamed for this, as they greedy raised delivery prices. Was it not immediately clear?
    1. +9
      19 November 2015 09: 26
      Given this board 4 rubles. km., now it turns out a liter of solarium for a truck began to cost 45-48 rubles. liter., instead of 35, and there is nothing to go up in price !!!, with whom is the struggle going on? with ISIS or with its people, for 2015. introduced new taxes: fee for cap. repair for housing 6 rubles sq. m., several times the fee rises from the owners of land, since 2016. fee for UTII is raised by 25%, and now the cost of freight transportation has increased by 1/3, and this is all against the background of the ruble slipping by 2 times against the dollar and the euro. It turns out that Obama strangles Russians with sanctions, and with local taxes, it seems that they (the governments) play in the same team, against the ordinary people.
    2. +2
      19 November 2015 09: 34
      Quote: stayer
      after prices rise in stores, truckers will be blamed for this, as they greedy raised delivery prices


      Not truckers, but the leaders of transport companies))
      The greed of leaders knows no bounds)) ...
    3. 0
      19 November 2015 10: 19
      Comrade, it is worth considering such a moment that these roads are built one-time, so that later they would redo them again and write off money. In general, I came from one technologist from an asphalt plant (I was traveling in an electric train, I don’t even know whether or not I can say it) I heard that we still do asphalt, and the roads themselves are laid according to Soviet-era technologies, not taking into account that the number of vehicles has increased and the load increased. Despite the fact that there are technologies by which you can put roads for at least 7-10 years.
      If there are specialists on this issue, it would be interesting to find out how it really is.
      1. 0
        19 November 2015 12: 31
        Quote: Mareman Vasilich
        If there are specialists on this issue, it would be interesting to find out how it really is.

        Normal roads began to appear, but not all contractors are building on modern and even outdated technologies, especially in the city. Very often I see a frank marriage, so even during the USSR it was impossible to build a road.
        But the quality of the roads and the construction process itself, built by the WAD, is quite normal by modern standards. In addition, the coating to the ruts is often cut not by wagons, but by ordinary cars on studded tires, some of which also ride on spikes in summer. For this business it is necessary to fine expensively, as in Finland.
    4. 0
      19 November 2015 12: 27
      Quote: stayer
      This road tax is literally sucked from the finger. No business case is given.

      Another feudal law to collect money from the population. It’s easier than developing something. And after the official even a flood.
  12. +15
    19 November 2015 07: 19
    But do long-distance transport tax not pay? Which should go on the road? And in the fuel, which they consume a lot, the excise tax sits. Introducing fares is another way to look into our pocket. Because we are many, and there are few top managers. In addition, they are their own people.
  13. +11
    19 November 2015 07: 20
    Yes, you, citizen Skomorokhov, are encroaching on the "holy" with your article ("... You argue apolitically, listen ...). They have there (Gazprom, Rosneft)" dreams come true "at last by joining the club of ghouls from TNK. they do not take hicks there. They must correspond to the image of "our EVERYTHING." Well, you / us, as usual, everything else remains ("like a Latvian - hell, yes soul"). So focus on this topic - write more colorfully and deeply about the "mysterious Russian soul" and how we, with our "mysteriousness", will certainly overcome everyone (at least at our last gasp). bully
  14. Fox
    +5
    19 November 2015 07: 27
    that’s why, VO will not be subsidized by the state. We must write about ... the weather in general.
    but in fact, there is a lot of such lawlessness in the country: it’s both VAZ and GM, and GAZ and a bunch of regions, cities and governors ... this is SYSTEM. weed the whole garden, and not pick out individual weeds.
    about where to put such a lot of money, there are plenty of examples: Vasiliev, Abramovich, prokhorov, artyakov ....
    1. 0
      19 November 2015 07: 52
      Quote: Fox
      weed the whole garden, and not pull out individual weeds.

      So nefig because of the fence bark, harness yourself to work! The topic you yourself have identified!
  15. +6
    19 November 2015 07: 30
    The lawlessness of power leads to a revolution. And here the 17th year is just around the corner. Are the lessons of history our power taught nothing?
    1. 0
      19 November 2015 09: 29
      Power by people alone will only make worse
  16. +19
    19 November 2015 07: 31
    In addition to the above. For most, the essence of the conflict is not clear and they think that it is long-range rude. Will explain. From 15.11.15/12/3.73. introduced a fee for cars with a gross weight of more than 13.800 tons for travel on federal roads. The fee was 12.000 per kilometer. For example, the Flight Novosibirsk - Moscow went up by 45000 rubles one way. On average, a truck runs 500.000km per month, i.e. XNUMX rubles per month should be laid out by the carrier. Moreover, payment is made before the flight, and not after the fact. Having paid for the flight, you cannot deviate from it. Well, you can, of course, you will only lose money, plus a fine for an unpaid rejection. Fine for legal persons XNUMX rubles (not a typo). Of course, the carriers got up.
    The government is trying to smooth things over. Medvedev signed a half-year reduction in prices to 1.53 per km. And so far fines (for half a year) only who enter the Moscow region. Although after, they simply deleted this information from the website of the Ministry of Transport.
    And if many carriers have a driver’s salary of 3.50-4.00 per km, the government simply wanted to pocket the same salary. For reference. On the first day of the Plato system, they earned 35 million rubles.
    We are on strike.
  17. +17
    19 November 2015 07: 33
    We are very strongly convinced lately that the crisis and all that. It is necessary to wait, endure, everything will work out.


    In adult, independent life, I entered exactly during the collapse of the USSR, and all this time I hear: ... you have to wait, endure, everything will work out ... already in 40, but I’m waiting and putting up with it when everything works out, and more and more often the idea appears that in this life I’m unlikely to see that everything is working out.
    1. +3
      19 November 2015 10: 57
      It will not work out while the Duma majority will be United Russia. So the budget for 2016 was adopted immediately in the first reading.
      Zyuganov swore, Zhirinovsky spat, Mironov frowned, and why? The chairman of Thracian United Russia Vasiliev uttered "it is necessary to understand" and the deputies of the edrosy adopted the budget, taking advantage of the fact that they were in the majority, although this budget was seriously cut for social services.
      And who is the leader of the Edra Party? LADIES !!! Therefore, citizens, all the decisions of the government from the adoption of which your life becomes "funnier but hungrier" no one can block.
      The introduction of "extortion" from long-range combatants entails a decrease in cargo transportation - the devastation of wholesale bases - the creation of a deficit in retail trade - an increase in prices for what will reach retail - the discontent of the masses. I don’t think this is done out of thought. Liberators in the government and their advisers have calculated everything well.
      The author hitched Rosneft, for some reason, simply counted the money of managers, but he overlooked the fact that the lady’s government raised a tax on the oil industry, which already entails the folding of a number of projects for the development and development of new fields, and it’s no secret that this future earnings of foreign currency earnings depend. Someone will say that they will not become poor due to this. Yes, they will not be impoverished, this will impoverish the state and increase the tax burden on you. Which will also add oil to the fire.
      Raising tariffs, freezing indexation of pensions, increasing retirement age, reducing budget places in universities and transferring education and medicine to a paid basis - all this will be adopted by United Russia in the FIRST READING. So this can only be stopped by voting against United Russia.
  18. +14
    19 November 2015 07: 38
    Interestingly, it turns out: for the president 90% of the population and against the prime minister, ministers, presidents of state corporations 90%.

    Yesterday in Novosibirsk, Russian nationalists were dispersed. After how long does the whole country turn into nationalists?
    1. +1
      19 November 2015 09: 38
      Quote: SarS
      Yesterday in Novosibirsk, Russian nationalists were dispersed.


      "our" government likes the millions of migrant guest workers who are asking to replace the indigenous people in the country ...
  19. +9
    19 November 2015 07: 42
    Nothing, nothing. When VO begins to be funded by the Ministry of Defense, such little articles will immediately disappear as well as money for the use of mineral resources.
    1. +2
      19 November 2015 07: 55
      Quote: Stauffenberg
      When VO begins to be funded by the Moscow Region

      ... oh, wait a long time, exactly to your pension, not earlier ...
      1. +1
        19 November 2015 08: 03
        Earlier -))). They are going to beat the tsar -))
        1. 0
          19 November 2015 09: 45
          Quote: Stauffenberg
          They are going to beat the tsar -))

          I will answer with a quote from Timur Shaov:
          "Civil pathos"
          "The nobles are crowding around him,
          Not that they love, but they are afraid.
          Everyone hurried to beat him with a brow,
          Until the brow is filled
          ."
  20. +4
    19 November 2015 07: 44
    And also, we have very dirty air! And to clean it you need money! So that, every breathable be ready to fork out!
    1. +1
      19 November 2015 10: 23
      The dirty air is just from the dirty industries and from these wagons traveling around and around the country, and most of them in ushatan trash.
  21. +9
    19 November 2015 07: 46
    Rosneft + Russian Railways + Gazprom ("national treasure" lol ) = price chaos for the enrichment and comfortable life of a handful of state oligarchs.
    Probably ALL "Platon" will not collect even a third of the money that "our" "national treasures" spend on the "development" of sports in the form of Lokomotiv, Zenit, SKA, CSKA ...

    (On July 12 in St. Petersburg at the Petrovsky stadium, the Russian champion Zenit in the match for the country's Super Cup in a penalty shootout was stronger than the winner of the Russian Cup of the capital's Lokomotiv and won the honorary trophy.)
    They sit, budgets (clubs) and pis..kami measured fellow .......
    1. 0
      19 November 2015 10: 20
      For information Dear colleagues:
      The leader of the ranking of the highest paid heads of Russian companies was Alexei Miller, Gazprom’s chairman of the board. He was the first to head this list, compiled by Forbes magazine.
      According to Forbes, in 2014 Alexey Miller’s remuneration increased $ 25 to $ 27 million. The total remuneration of Gazprom’s top managers is $ 113,8 million. The magazine reports that Miller’s income goes not only from Gazprom: he also heads eight boards of directors. holding companies, reports RBC.
      Among them are Gazprom Neft, Gazprombank, Sogaz and Gazprom Media. In 2014, Alexey Miller received more than $ 2 million from Gazprombank alone. VTB head Andrey Kostin, who was the leader last year, took second place in the list: his remuneration in 2014 amounted to $ 21 million, although a year earlier it was $ 37 million. For the work of the deputy chairman of the council directors of Rosneft Kostin paid $ 560 thousand
      The three leaders are closed by the head of Rosneft, Igor Sechin, with a remuneration for 2014 of $ 17,5 million. Sechin’s income assessment was also carried out last year, but was not published due to a lawsuit in the suit of the head of Rosneft against Forbes. Then the publication reported that Sechin earned $ 50 million in 2012, the court ordered the magazine to refute this information.
    2. 0
      19 November 2015 10: 25
      Yakunin has no relation to Russian Railways.
      1. +3
        19 November 2015 10: 34
        Quote: Vadim237
        Yakunin has no relation to Russian Railways.


        Of course it doesn’t, there’s nothing to fuck with Russian Railways. Yes
        All that is possible from them (Russian Railways) has already been raped, and one of the most successful methods of delivering goods in our country is in a deep crisis. Without exception, all railroad workers (I mean, of course, only acquaintances) directly say that the Akulins family clique has brought Russian Railways to its current state.
  22. +1
    19 November 2015 07: 54
    TANDEM. WHAT IS NOT CLEAR? [/ Quote]
    in life it’s always like this: next to a beautiful girl, an ugly girlfriend is spinning
  23. +2
    19 November 2015 08: 08
    Quote: Vladimir
    I’m all thinking when something will bring Dmitry Anatolyevich Medvedev, with all his pack, to real terms of ten or more with confiscation ... I dream !!!


    One can only dream about this and, unfortunately, the RN board will not decrease from our comments, but rather the opposite. Such roots can be torn out either by a change in the leadership of the country or by a revolution, but neither one nor the other at this stage is desirable, so only comments remain (((
  24. +2
    19 November 2015 08: 16
    In addition to the mats, nothing can be said at all ......
  25. +3
    19 November 2015 08: 18
    Quote: TAKR
    Yes, you, citizen Skomorokhov, are encroaching on the "holy" with your article

    Quote: SarS
    Interestingly, it turns out: for the president 90% of the population and against the prime minister, ministers, presidents of state corporations 90%

    Yesterday there was an article about state support for "VO". I am afraid that it will only be possible to dream about it after such articles. Or will such articles disappear?
    Quote: Andrea
    What was marked during the presidency: ....

    Today on supporting gifted children the prime minister took care. I am for the development of talent. However, think about it.
    "... in the list of events, information about children who became their winners and prize-winners is sent to the organization determined in accordance with the legislation of the Russian Federation on the contract system in the field of procurement of goods, works and services to meet state and municipal needs (operator), .... "
    "... vocational guidance of such children, taking into account labor market needs; employment assistance.... "
    "... Enter into commercial operation regional segments of this interdepartmental system are scheduled for October 2016, and the federal segment - for December 2016 .... "
    https://news.mail.ru/politics/24010601/?frommail=1
    Our children and grandchildren are a commodity for D. Medvedev. And you are truckers, transport tax, gasoline, railways.
  26. +3
    19 November 2015 08: 22
    Or maybe you still had to take the Russian Railways iPhone for Faberge, and force them to do what Russian Railways was built for? After all, the whole country, spitting on a piece of iron, carries everything that is possible on the roads. Soon we will have nothing to breathe on these roads. And how many losses does the state suffer due to broken roads, the death of the active population? Yes, if part of these costs is transferred to Russian Railways, then transportation in wagons will become cost-effective, and trucks will disappear to an acceptable amount. Oh, from the wrong side, our problems are being solved. However, looking at the mug of a dimon, not enriched with intelligence, I am not surprised at anything.
    1. +1
      19 November 2015 10: 29
      Our active population is mostly dying on the roads. And air pollutes automobile transport 10000 times more than railway transport.
  27. +2
    19 November 2015 08: 25
    Walked by shareholders:
    Rosneft:
    - shareholders: http://www.rosneft.ru/Investors/structure/share_capital/
    69% Rosneftegaz - state
    30% Depository - 99% - owned by the Moscow Interbank Currency Exchange https://www.nsd.ru/en/about/structure/shareholders/
    MICEX: http://moex.com/s1343
    Central Bank - 12% (federal property),
    Sberbank -10%
    VEB - 8%, State Corporation
    EBRD - 6%
    RDIF Investment Management-6 -5%
    Shengdong Investment Corporation - 5%,
    The rest (less than 5%) - 54%
    Thus, 69% + 6% (20% of 30%) - 3/4 of Rosneft is owned by the state.
    Thus, it is not clear why 4/9 in the Board of Directors and almost 1/3 in the Management Board are started by foreigners. If you still find out the citizenship of the rest.
    Would you ask a question on a straight line to Putin?
  28. -4
    19 November 2015 08: 26
    “However, do not forget what country we live in. And we live in Russia. And that is why I treat this law not so much with prejudice, but with the understanding that“ we wanted the best, but it turned out as always ”.
    However, do not forget the respected author Roman Skomorokhov, the whole world lives by these rules you go and pay, if you want to go well, pay, especially since our roads are broken by trucks. And do not scare us - "Otherwise, the moment is not far off when the bulk of the victorious reports from Syria and Ukrainian jokes are really not enough." - We have already heard this from our "brothers". The decision is correct and timely, not even much belated.
    1. 0
      19 November 2015 11: 42
      Koronik
      However, do not forget the respected author Roman Skomorokhov, the whole world lives by these rules
      -------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------
      ---
      the whole world carries out a significant part of transportations by water and railway transport. unlike us. All over the world, wagons operate mainly on the middle shoulder (300-500km). Losses are farther. We have KAMAZ trucks! carry products from the Trans-Urals to Chukotka! off-road with a risk to life of several thousand km .. Where else can you find 7
      oh yes, in Australia, well, there is a completely different matter, both on roads and on tonnage.
      1. 0
        19 November 2015 13: 03
        All over the world, wagons operate mainly on the middle shoulder (300-500km) Then there are losses. We have KAMAZ trucks! carry products from the Trans-Urals to Chukotka! off-road with a risk to life of several thousand km .. Where else can you meet7
        oh yes, in Australia, well, there is a completely different matter, both on roads and on tonnage.


        But what about the USA? Friends there are engaged in freight traffic, from one region, constantly driving to the other. The size of Russia has not yet been canceled, and therefore have to ride with such shoulders.
    2. 0
      19 November 2015 14: 04
      Quote: Koronik
      the whole world lives by these rules go-pay

      The fact of the matter is that, referring to the entire civilized world, specificity and infrastructure are not taken into account. For example, in Germany I travel on the autobahn daily from border to border. At the same time, the number of motels for gas stations and parking at every step. Try to go to Chita from Moscow with 20 tons of cargo. You go crazy. At the same time, if it breaks down in the taiga, then delivering a part or a car to a service is a daunting task, etc.
      Why am I doing this? If you compare and adopt something in the West, then you must first make the same infrastructure, and then try to cut money from it. We decided to cut, but did nothing.
      PS. Well, the money collected would go to the construction of roads (compensation for damage from trucks), since they would disappear in Rotenberg’s pocket (the owner of Plato).
  29. +3
    19 November 2015 08: 37
    Shifting the burden of spending on not receiving petrodollars to their citizens is a traditional fun of our government.
  30. +11
    19 November 2015 08: 44
    Budget filling, um ... Let's deal with this "filling". We have a state budget, and there is a "regional" one. Now there is a curious situation: the state represented by all government officials is one Russia, so to speak, the capital of Russia, and all the rest of the space represented by the regions, together with the "regional" power, is a completely different Russia. Moreover, these are not equal to Russia in terms of power and funding. The state has all the power and can adopt any laws for its own benefit under the guise of "state" necessity, but the "regional" power is not only "tied" by hand in terms of legislative initiative, it must also conduct state policy on the ground and fill pocket of the state. If we take "financing", then the picture is even more "interesting". "State" Russia feeds on currency, and "regional" Russia receives funding in rubles. Do you feel the difference? I explain. The state immediately converts any of its profits from taxes, sales, etc. into currency and withdraws it from the country, into various types of "reserves" and other bank savings, and this state pays off the regions in rubles. In practice, this means that the state carries out any of its financing through the conversion of its accumulated currency into rubles. It is for this reason that it is profitable for the state to reduce the ruble exchange rate against currencies, which it constantly does, thus the state saves its budget by paying off the regions with constantly depreciating rubles. For example, the average pension is 9700 rubles. Before the depreciation of the ruble, this was approximately USD 325. Now, after the depreciation of the ruble, the state will have to convert only $ 150 to pay such a pension. Do you feel the difference? To fulfill its obligations to pensioners, teachers, etc. the state now needs more than 2 times less currency, that is, money! During the "crisis" the state was enriched more than 2 times! And all of us, who receive pensions and salaries in rubles, have become poorer by more than 2 times! At the same time, the state continues to "milk" us with newly invented methods such as "fees for heavy trucks", "major repairs of houses", "cadastral tax", etc. and motivates this by the fact that all these are "forced" measures, since now, they say, there is a crisis and it is necessary to replenish the treasury in order to fulfill the "social" obligations, although in reality the state more than doubled during the crisis and cut its payments in monetary and currency terms by more than 2 times.
  31. +4
    19 November 2015 08: 47
    The author did not understand the basis of Russian liberal thought. Ownership, offshore money, losses to the state. I didn’t study, it seems, at the HSE. From here I am asking questions about roads. All roads lead to the temple. And this temple is a loot with a greenish tint.
    1. +1
      19 November 2015 09: 21
      The temple is our government, GDP, ROC and others, and God is a loot with a greenish tint.
  32. Fox
    +2
    19 November 2015 08: 54
    Quote: V.ic
    So nefig because of the fence bark, harness yourself to work! The topic you yourself have identified!

    you bark, you’re going, dear. I’ve been weeping at my time. And the fact that Mr. Utkin, the mayor of Togliatti is free, like many others, is a matter for other services and departments.
  33. 0
    19 November 2015 09: 03
    in order to harm the road, you need to have malicious intent. and this is criminally punishable. passenger cars spoil the road no less than freight cars. To get started, remove cars with heavy loads from the road (dump trucks, barrels, watermelon transports)
    1. 0
      19 November 2015 09: 42
      Trucks must be banned! In general, cars. And even roads are destroyed, and the air is spoiled .... Back to the carts!
  34. +2
    19 November 2015 09: 10
    Everyone has different salaries, and interest is considered differently. Topmen have a normal salary, ordinary pensioners have a pension. They will introduce a toll for the road, the price of everything will increase - for food, goods, and gasoline. And also some left office will earn money. What percentage will all increase? And the pension is 4%. The right way to go comrades?
  35. +2
    19 November 2015 09: 24
    The whole point of government policy is to take away from someone, and not to develop production. This is easier to do!
    Involuntarily I recall the joke about the granddaughter of the Decembrist.
  36. +4
    19 November 2015 09: 30
    This, of course, is all right, since heavy trucks and dump trucks destroy roads, they must pay. But somehow, such a frank collision with Rosneft is embarrassing. For example, a football player Dyadyun, a couple of years ago sitting on the bench of the Dynamo Moscow for his seat there (not for the super game and goals scored) earned 150.000.000 rubles. And how is he better than Rosneft's board members who received 250.000.000 each?
  37. +3
    19 November 2015 09: 36
    They wanted to shit on you and me from a high bell tower, long-distance fighting has already included tax in the price tag so we are waiting for an increase. At the same time, we shout glory to Putin, glory to Medvedev. The dodgers intimidated us with Ukraine and now they will stupidly rob, so lately unwittingly listen to the speeches of liberals, or maybe they are right? Maybe we were fooled by the brains of Krymnomash, US and EU aggression? It’s easier to control intimidated people and it’s easier to rob. By the way, the author of the law on km is none other than the son of Rotenberg's friend of Putin. We are all talking about the Gudkovs, but in fact our authorities have already entrenched themselves in all the families in power, all are relatives of the godfather’s son-in-law. And we bydlomass according to their understanding. CAN TIME ON MAIDAN ???
  38. 0
    19 November 2015 09: 44
    I just can’t imagine what can be done with that kind of money.
    So do I.
    There are not enough brains.
    Do you think they are all celestials there with three hundred IQ? Not at all, the same people on average. It was just that at the time they had enough luck, acquaintances, goals, unscrupulousness, sovereignty, love of money and other vices to be where they are now. So it’s not the brain. Not really in the brain.
  39. hartlend
    +1
    19 November 2015 09: 44
    Maybe we should start with yourself?

    And then the moment is not far off when the main mass is really not enough triumphant reports from Syria and Ukrainian jokes.
    Author Roman Skomorokhov

    Do not wait, where is it seen that the official kicked himself?
  40. +2
    19 November 2015 09: 49
    In recent years, it seems that all motorists have become enemies to our government and local authorities, and they are ready to fight them by all means available to the authorities. For them, we have become a cash cow. More decisions are made to "fight" motorists than to fight corruption.
  41. +9
    19 November 2015 09: 52
    Let me make my 2 kopecks about the PLATO system. I am an official in the transport sector of our company. We transport our manufactured goods. We have a contract for the supply of our goods by our transport. And we must not break them. Therefore, we registered on time in the PLATO system.
    Regarding the operation of the system:
    1. The devices in our city were not given to anyone.
    2. Forced to issue route maps via the Internet. Everything hangs constantly.
    3. The route between points A and B the PLATO system draws on a map only along federal highways. Although there are parallel free roads. When an intermediate point is indicated, the route is laid not directly on free roads, but on a toll road with a deviation and return back to the toll road.
    4. When specifying a settlement with the same name, the route paves to the far, does not perceive the correction.
    5. Technical support phones cannot be found. There is only a telephone line 8-800- and so on. there is only an answering machine, which in the end sends for additional information to the PLATO website.
    6. I can’t contact the company office in our city, because he burned. Nearest in a nearby town for 100km.

    In general, one negative on the soul.
    1. 0
      19 November 2015 12: 27
      Not a bit surprised. At work, I also sometimes encounter state (or near-state) Internet resources.
      At the initial stage of these resources, the situation is similar to yours. Then, after a year or two everything gets better, more or less. And after a couple of years - everything again slides into an indigestible state.
      Five-year plan, fuck it ...
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  42. dmb
    +2
    19 November 2015 09: 59
    Dmitry Anatolyevich said nothing, having read the article of Roman, just waved his tail and swam away to the blue sea, explaining that terrorism must be fought. That's exactly where the horse with a hoof, there and cancer with claws. And Putin’s statement on this is not enough? Apparently everyone is up to the head of the village administration. This way is much easier than doing some stupid roads and dumps. As for wishes, to temper the appetites of the bourgeoisie, this is from the field of fairy tales, directly contradicting the reality and the essence of capitalism, which Putin himself is building.
  43. +6
    19 November 2015 10: 02
    Of course, there must be roads, and good ones. True, trucks that average 20 tons carry these roads. Therefore, there is a problem. If there is a problem, then it must be solved. So it is necessary to solve the declared problem, and do not palm off other options.
    We have a transport tax that should solve the problems of road repair.
    We have a price for fuels and lubricants, which is deadly for the economy of a country with a harsh climate and long distances, which includes a tax that provides for road repairs.
    Introduce another tax on heavy trucks.
    Conclusion, if two taxes did not lead to the normal state of the roads, then even a hundred taxes will not affect the improvement of the quality of the road surface, because a ridiculous percentage is spent on the money collected for the indicated purposes - everything else goes to the feeder of the power structures and to the maintenance of the collecting company .
    This trend can be seen in everything:
    Pension savings were squandered as much as possible, they set up a bunch of PFRF palaces, the maintenance of which costs fabulous money, now there is not enough money to pay. So even if the state itself contains PFRF structures, then elite apartments can be ceased to be built by highly paid workers, and the money received in the fund in full go to pay pensions, believe me, then they will be enough.
    For this vile idea truckers will pay people with inflation recognized 4%. food prices rose 2 times, for medicines-5-10 times. Housing and communal services in any case are getting more expensive, except for legal indexation, when paying receipts, a 2-4% fee was previously taken from the cost of services, now we pay, for common house needs we pay for unscrupulous payers, the contents of the house territory, which is freely available to everyone, which are used for pipelines, communal workers also pay tenants, and the fact that the maintenance of their own apartment also needs money and small ones is forgotten by the authorities when they consider the cost of living.
    The authorities attach to all prices for essential goods an immeasurable amount of unnecessary expensive services, which, as a result, do not exist, but there are frantic prices.
    Here at VO people seem to be wise by life experience, but I don’t understand where the comments come from, that an additional tax is a necessary thing, for whom? The roads will not get better for sure.
  44. +6
    19 November 2015 10: 45
    Quote: olimpiada15
    Since two taxes did not lead to the normal state of the roads, even a hundred taxes will not affect the improvement of the quality of the road surface, because a ridiculous percentage is spent on the money collected for the indicated purposes - everything else goes to the feeder of the power structures and to the maintenance of the collecting company.

    Two sections - Route P402 (Tyumen - Ishim - Omsk) - a federal highway. One has been standing without repair for 5 years (no ruts, no cracks, well, no flaws !!!), on the second, after a CAPITAL, 10 km long, located 8 km from the first, in the same climatic zone, with those the same geological and geographical indicators, with the same traffic loads (transit section), in a year (exactly, probably in the contract the "obligations" of the contractor are stipulated in 365 days of guarantee.) signs "UNEVEN ROAD" were hung, although the destruction of the road occurred earlier.
    Specific location:
    a section of a good road (without repairs) the border of the Abat / Ishim district is 330 km.
    site after "overhaul" in 2013 (completion of reconstruction in November 2013, signs "uneven road" installed in November 2014) 338-348 km.
    He applied to the prosecutor's office of the Tyumen region (during the "reconstruction" of this section) - he was redirected to the Uralavtodor. The answer is - EVERYTHING IS GREAT, WE FOLLOW EVERYTHING, WE CAREFULLY INSPECT ...
    And the conclusion: yes, at least twenty-five taxes, until they stop "cutting", until they conscientiously treat their duties, the roads will be a means of enrichment for some and a headache for US - "FOOLS" (that is, for those whom THEY consider us )!
    1. +1
      19 November 2015 12: 50
      Quote: Serg Koma
      roads will be a means of enrichment for some and a headache for US - "FOOLS" (that is, for those whom THEY consider us)!

      Three days ago, there was a good deal of this "road racket". Like, this is a common practice in European countries and no one buzzes there. Only the fact that some European countries can be cycled from end to end in a day was modestly kept silent by the government. Their distances cannot be compared with our distances of several thousand km in one direction.
      The fact that the introduction of this practice into practice will significantly cut off the economic connection of the regions and, as a consequence, will lead to their isolation within the state, no one in the government seems interested. But it has been repeatedly said that the dream of the "partners" is to divide Russia into territorial fragments. Well, the cubs have made the first step towards this.
      The explanation that the introduction of this measure will give from 40 to 50 billion per year for road repairs is negligible despite the fact that the amount of unused budget funds in 2015 reached 9 trillion rubles. To find 100-200 billion of them for repairing roads is a trifle ...
      Given our vast expanses, no one will ever be able to determine which region has the worst roads and in the first place needs to allocate funds from these 40-50 billion. Who, how and by what principle will distribute them and control the development?
      By the way, what about WHO? - in the same article it was pointed out that this will be a certain fund, which, from the collected funds, will charge 10-15 billion for the service provided. That is how, simply and not intricately "ONO" will receive 25% of the collected funds, which will not become a new roadbed.
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      2. +1
        19 November 2015 12: 57
        Quote: Nyrobsky
        European countries and no one there buzzing. Only the fact that some European countries can cycle from day to day from end to end on a bicycle was somehow modestly silent in the government. Their distances cannot be compared to our distances of several thousand km one way.


        In general, I don’t know, but as far as I know, no one in Europe or ours pays the traveled kilometers (tax), a single toll is charged and that’s it.
        And in the case of Russia, where 1000km is not distance at all, this is of course nonsense
        Quote: Nyrobsky
        An explanation of the fact that the introduction of this measure will provide from 40 to 50 billion per year for road repairs

        And if you multiply this amount by the number of wheels - then in general you can swim in the money
        In general, explanations like - * this will give the budget *, I was always annoyed and caused some confusion.
        Why not write
        -THIS WILL TAKE FROM CITIZENS -
        justification for the needs of the budget can be anything, only who needs a budget breaking from grandmas if citizens have teeth on the shelf?
  45. +2
    19 November 2015 11: 00
    Let road repairs be paid by those who use them
    Well, yes, and truck drivers (and other citizens) who to complain about? when the technology of construction and repair of roads is violated all the time (in the rain, in my opinion, everyone saw how Tajiks make latki), what is hard to call roads in the end? And these jokes on the Don highway with paid sections and alternative detour routes ?! Your mother, gentlemen related to this, did you build them (paid)? or were they made during the USSR? And then you later, at best, made small segments between the nearby settlements, although I am sure they originally existed. In fact, I would hang everyone involved in this bacchanalia on poles on the same roads ...
    1. +3
      19 November 2015 15: 13
      I don’t understand such a statement of the question at all. Roads in the state are the circulatory system. But from what calculations are these roads built if the trucks damage them. Your mother, trucking is something without which the economy is just a myth, if you please, make roads taking into account the load from the trucks, and not from your asshole shishlaks. And to impose additional levies on transport, in my opinion, just another form of sabotage, our liberal economists do not want to boost the economy, then every six months they simply limited the movement of trucks (limiting the axle load from 10 to 5.5 tons) and now they decided to take a fee, restrictions without removing. Your mother, yes, a Kamaz tractor with an empty axis presses 5 tons, and why load it into it? Carry air and pay for it? I’m wondering, as far as I know, truckers are preparing for a protest, will they block the mains or will the gut die again? Damn, I give my word, I find out what a long truck driver will take part in such a protest action, I will make repairs to him at a 50% discount.
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  46. PPD
    0
    19 November 2015 11: 34
    In general, there is one question, but sad — apparently the fulfillment of the last phrase from the article is inevitable. When? sad
  47. +2
    19 November 2015 11: 49
    Quote: Bombardier
    And the second ... Railway transportation was completely killed - before the railway tracks were brought to each plant and to each base - and now they were all pulled out and sold ...

    I live in Nizhny Novgorod. Previously, the Volga-Matushka was rightfully called the main river artery of Russia. Millions of tons of cargo were transported along it, since river transport was the cheapest. Now the Volga is "dead". It is rare to see a cruise ship trying to break through shallows and underwater sand drifts. They killed not only the river transport, but the Volga itself. Who will be responsible for this before our children and grandchildren-QUESTION ...
  48. 0
    19 November 2015 13: 35
    I was in China. Rivers are clogged with barges no worse than roads. Moreover, fuel in China is almost 50% more expensive. Why is it profitable for them
    1. +1
      19 November 2015 14: 16
      Quote: Stauffenberg
      I was in China. Rivers are clogged with barges no worse than roads. Moreover, fuel in China is almost 50% more expensive. Why is it profitable for them

      So again - everything depends on the size of the territory.
      Or we have to drive from Vladivostok to Kaliningrad on a wagon, or swim and swim on a Chinese barge along the Yellow River or the Yangtze ....
  49. 0
    19 November 2015 23: 22
    As there, Misha told us everything on the telly in the 90s - we need to tighten our belts, tighten our belts.

    Then a friend came to visit yesterday to consult. There is no work, no money, no money, I asked if I could go to the village for pasture, but subsistence farming. Fortunately, I already had such an experience on my family several years ago. I had to explain to the guy, on examples of what a terrible dead end it turns out to be in practice. Thought thought, xs did not come up with anything, minus 20 outside the window and what can you advise. Walk the flaw in one word.

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