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20 T-14 Armata tanks prepared for transfer to troops

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Representatives of Uralvagonzavod report that work has been completed at the enterprise to create a pilot batch tanks T-14 Armata. The report said that the party consists of 20 units of the latest armored vehicles, which are being prepared for transfer to the troops in the near future. RIA News cites a statement by the representative of the defense enterprise Vyacheslav Khalitov, who is the general director for special equipment at Uralvagonzavod:


We have made a pilot batch of Armata tanks from 20, now they are at the plant and are preparing to be transferred to the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation.


20 T-14 Armata tanks prepared for transfer to troops


Recall that for the first time the general public was shown the newest tanks during a parade in honor of the 70 anniversary of the Victory. Tanks X-14 "Armata" marched through Red Square. After that, a film about the latest Russian tank was presented on Zvezda TV channel with a demonstration of its main features.

As soon as Russia demonstrated the functionality of the first samples of this technology, in Germany they stated that the German industry would urgently create their own developments of such a plan. It turned out something from the “catch up and overtake” series, but only in the German version.
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  1. Vladimyrych
    Vladimyrych 17 November 2015 18: 59
    +129
    Beautiful car. Visually, it will look more harmonious with a 152 mm barrel, but still beautiful.
    It is very pleasing that the process of entering the troops has begun. Good luck!!!
    1. cniza
      cniza 17 November 2015 19: 02
      +60
      Today is a day of good news, for the beginning and development of new technology is already not bad.
      1. Baikonur
        Baikonur 17 November 2015 19: 07
        +42
        In Syria, try at least one prototype! Run in and shoot In dust, sand, heat! May reveal flaws, hang something!
        1. Sterlya
          Sterlya 17 November 2015 19: 26
          +18
          Quote: Baikonur
          In Syria, try at least one prototype! Run in and shoot In dust, sand, heat! May reveal flaws, hang something!

          I agree. The three. But so that it doesn’t fall into the hands of anyone.
          It will give a lot. Yes, even developers (not the main ones) in the tank!
          1. Abakan
            Abakan 17 November 2015 22: 23
            +11
            ))) Does Si Xing give you something)))
            1. Temples
              Temples 18 November 2015 16: 36
              +5
              Can start with a tank biathlon?
              Accessible and clear to the layman.
              And in biathlon on "run-in" cars, someone is better, and someone is lagging behind.
              And in Syria, a new technique in all respects to throw madness into my sofa look. smile
              1. da n ya 1914
                da n ya 1914 20 November 2015 16: 37
                0
                T 14 does not need to be thrown into Syria, it is true for Syria we have 15000 Soviet tanks.
          2. shasherin.pavel
            shasherin.pavel 17 November 2015 23: 30
            +33
            Well, against whom will the T-14 fight there? Against RPG -76? That we do not have enough dust in the country? Is there little dirt in Russia? T-72 is quite suitable for Syria or "Terminator", that would be to the point.
            1. glavnykarapuz
              glavnykarapuz 18 November 2015 12: 47
              +2
              Quote: shasherin.pavel
              Well, against whom will the T-14 fight there? Against RPG -76? That we do not have enough dust in the country? Is there little dirt in Russia? T-72 is quite suitable for Syria or "Terminator", that would be to the point.

              And what kind of RPG-76?
              1. Semen Semyonitch
                Semen Semyonitch 18 November 2015 17: 15
                0
                Quote: glavnykarapuz
                And what kind of RPG-76?

                Some kind of Polish karamultuk ...
              2. shasherin.pavel
                shasherin.pavel 18 November 2015 18: 03
                0
                RPG-7! Something has changed? Or are we just looking for fleas on a dog? But the dog itself is not trained!
                A weak answer: why RPG-7? Neither 8, nor 12, but 7?
            2. kostolom45
              kostolom45 19 November 2015 15: 07
              0
              against the TOU complexes and the Javelins and other Western ATGMs, where they are like dirt from the Ishilovites, watch the video as they are old Alahakbar tanks. Armata has just protection against ATGMs - the main feature, and it would be quiet to check it. As I understand it with my again philistine mind - in Syria they are testing everything new in real conditions. And the latest missiles and samoli, and infantry gadgets ...
          3. complete zero
            complete zero 18 November 2015 23: 32
            +1
            and it will be likely (it’s a sin not to run in real battles)
        2. Civil
          Civil 17 November 2015 19: 46
          +2
          Quote: Baikonur
          In Syria, try at least one prototype! Run in and shoot In dust, sand, heat! May reveal flaws, hang something!

          NOT worth it completely, but in parts is possible.
        3. Mujahiddin777
          Mujahiddin777 17 November 2015 19: 47
          +2
          And suddenly there is already ... wink
        4. SPACE
          SPACE 17 November 2015 20: 02
          +12
          Quote: Baikonur
          In Syria, try at least one prototype! Run in and shoot In dust, sand, heat! May reveal flaws, hang something!

          And yet, your own testing ground is much more efficient, and test conditions can be created in a wide variety of ways.
          Z.Y. Promptly. With such rich experience in tank building and combat use of tanks as in the Russian Federation, with modern computer-aided design and modeling methods, as well as with the latest production technologies, tanks and in general all ground combat equipment should be immediately accepted from the first units that left the assembly line weapons and delivered to the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation for full operation, without any further modifications, bypassing the experimental batch and trial use time ... Wash it all goes.
          1. Altona
            Altona 17 November 2015 20: 06
            +17
            Quote: SPACE
            And yet, your own testing ground is much more efficient, and test conditions can be created in a wide variety of ways.
            Z.Y. With such rich experience in tank building and the combat use of tanks as in the Russian Federation, with modern methods of computer design and simulation, as well as with the latest production technologies, tanks and in general all ground combat equipment should be immediately accepted from the first units that left the assembly line weapons and delivered to the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation for full operation, without any further modifications ... Wash this all goes.

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            It doesn’t happen ... A computer is of course a great help, but life makes its own corrections ... Virtuality does not replace reality yet ...
            1. SPACE
              SPACE 17 November 2015 20: 53
              0
              Quote: Altona
              It doesn’t happen ...

              This is a template ...
              Quote: Altona
              The computer is of course a great help, but life makes its own adjustments ... Virtuality does not replace reality yet ...

              I do not agree, business dictates its own strict rules, time is money, a chance is given only once and there is absolutely no right to make a mistake at all! Project, manufacturing, assembly, start-up. Experience says that it is possible. Compensate for the emerging scatter of small orders of reality, should be laid down in the basic functions of the machine, i.e. adaptability.
              1. Stena
                Stena 17 November 2015 21: 37
                +6
                Quote: SPACE
                business dictates its own strict rules, time is money, a chance is given only once and there is absolutely no right to make a mistake at all

                Hehe hehe ... And what about the business?
                And in it there are a bunch of errors of various levels - from small ones to strategic ones. Everything can be fixed - and whoever has a head and desire - he corrects.
                Quote: SPACE
                Compensate the emerging scatter of small orders of reality

                Tell me, where is this "hee-hee-ha-ha" sold?
              2. kori
                kori 17 November 2015 21: 46
                +7
                Your lips, but honey to drink .. Only often in production everything is far from ideal .. I refer to my experience)
                1. Stena
                  Stena 17 November 2015 21: 49
                  +5
                  Quote: kori
                  Only often in production is everything far from ideal

                  Almost always, and especially when there are a lot of operations and a lot of people involved. Yes, and cars - also fail regularly ... And if you take not a standard product, but a completely new one or what kind of R&D - in general - it's a miracle if there are no strategic mistakes ...
                2. Yuyuka
                  Yuyuka 17 November 2015 23: 01
                  +15
                  I refer to my experience)

                  I join - you design, draw - so beautiful! start to collect - your mother! how is there a key to crawl to that nut? where is this constructor ?? and you echo from behind picking up - where-where-where? ... and slowly into the department laughing so no one has canceled the finalization of the file, it just might have become less of the files during computer modeling repeat
                  1. shasherin.pavel
                    shasherin.pavel 17 November 2015 23: 37
                    +6
                    Yes! I recall with horror the practice in the convoy of the bus fleet in 77. Oh, these LiAZs ... To remove the air balloon, you need to remove the front wheel and unscrew the top and bottom eight bolts each, poking your hands through a tiny window in the case. The men’s hands simply did not crawl through this window, that was our practice ... As I recall, goosebumps ... with a fingernail the size of.
                  2. Sorokin
                    Sorokin 20 November 2015 12: 49
                    0
                    Less real files. They are simply not there.
              3. Altona
                Altona 17 November 2015 23: 01
                +4
                Quote: SPACE
                I do not agree, business dictates its own strict rules, time is money, a chance is given only once and there is absolutely no right to make a mistake at all! Project, manufacturing, assembly, start-up. Experience says that it is possible. Compensate for the emerging scatter of small orders of reality, should be laid down in the basic functions of the machine, i.e. adaptability.

                --------------------
                Well, straight ... The engineer must have the right to make a mistake, for some reason the "effective managers" have errors of millions of rubles and hundreds of lives and nothing, but the engineer is ready to rot for a nut ... Experience says that it says nothing .. .F-35 is still being brought up, and somehow they do not buzz ... And the chance, it is given 10 times, then is not given at all ... You think like a businessman, in technology they do not think so, there is a probability, and you as a gambler in a casino ... I saw 3D-schnicks, on which now every dirik prays, a hundred times after them wiped shit, because of their narrow-mindedness ...
                1. kostolom45
                  kostolom45 19 November 2015 15: 14
                  0
                  Proper CAD actually does a lot of things and checks AUTOMATICALLY so that files are not needed later. Including the assembly order, and the availability of elements for the tool in the finished product, and the trace of vibro-loaded pipelines and temperature conditions, and the aerohydrodynamics of cooling systems and the optimization of strength, taking into account production technology. Only this is an order of magnitude more complex and expensive systems, of which we have once or twice neglected. From the western ones - the SolidWorks family, from our Compass (powerful CAD for shipbuilding). I'm majoring in CAD software, if that.
            2. Aleksey_K
              Aleksey_K 17 November 2015 22: 19
              +3
              Quote: Altona
              It doesn’t happen ... A computer is of course a great help, but life makes its own corrections ... Virtuality does not replace reality yet ...

              Where did you hear about the virtual tank test site? All tanks are tested for survivability by all types of anti-tank weapons, in various places of the tank. And after this shelling, it is checked whether he can move and fight. And in Syria, who will fight on them, the Syrians or what? So you can instantly convey all the secrets to the Americans, if you do not evacuate the tank from the battlefield. After all, it’s enough to smash the goose and immobilize the tank, and the caterpillar can be smashed from a heavy machine gun from a fairly close distance.
              1. Altona
                Altona 17 November 2015 23: 02
                0
                Quote: Алексей_К
                Where did you hear about the virtual tank test site? All tanks are tested for survivability by all types of anti-tank weapons, in various places of the tank. And after this shelling, it is checked whether he can move and fight. And in Syria, who will fight on them, the Syrians or what? So you can instantly convey all the secrets to the Americans, if you do not evacuate the tank from the battlefield. After all, it’s enough to smash the goose and immobilize the tank, and the caterpillar can be smashed from a heavy machine gun from a fairly close distance.

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                Write this to the cosmos, but not to me ... I know it no worse than you ...
              2. shasherin.pavel
                shasherin.pavel 17 November 2015 23: 44
                +3
                Quote: Алексей_К
                and the caterpillar can be smashed from a heavy machine gun from a fairly close distance.

                Yes, then a multi-million tank is needed, if it can be broken from a machine gun !? In the 41, the Germans reported to Berlin that they did not take the X-NUMX-mm high-explosive grenade to the T-37 caterpillar. But we must remember that our 34 is a licensed 45 mm anti-tank gun of the Wehrmacht. And you about some kind of machine gun in the 37 year. Well, no ... if the tank stands still and shoot the whole tape, then something can be achieved. But on the go ... Trucks then change all the time in front of the shooter and you cannot get into one track with two bullets.
                1. Aleksey_K
                  Aleksey_K 18 November 2015 15: 41
                  +2
                  Quote: shasherin.pavel
                  Yes, then a multi-million tank is needed, if it can be smashed with a machine gun!

                  The fact is that a heavy machine gun with 15 mm. projectile. this is actually an armor-piercing projectile and this projectile, even with a caliber of 12.7 mm., quietly pierces in our time 20 mm steel armor. So the truck, when hit by several of these bullets, long life does not shine. But a large machine gun in a normal combined arms battle is destroyed very quickly, because it has huge dimensions and is installed on a special rack or platform. The tank, having an advantage in range, destroys this target with one shot. But in Syria, the main fights are in the ruins of cities. Such a machine gun in ambush, in ruins, can completely blind a tank, destroying all the observation devices on the tower and immobilizing it, breaking a caterpillar. By the way, they can demolish all dynamic defense from their armor, and then shoot the tank from any RPG.
                  This is not a Kalashnikov light machine gun.
                  And here is a historical reference for you:
                  14,5 × 114 mm - Soviet cartridge for large-caliber machine guns и anti tank guns.
                  Currently, the construction of heavy machine guns are engaged in: USA, Singapore, Germany, Russia and China.
                  1. sharp-lad
                    sharp-lad 18 November 2015 16: 12
                    +2
                    A large-caliber machine gun "Kord" appeared in the Russian army, it is possible from the machine tool, and if the machine gunner is larger than the average build, then from the hip. hi
                    1. shasherin.pavel
                      shasherin.pavel 18 November 2015 18: 30
                      +2
                      During the tests of "Korda" the military almost went crazy when a 60-kg girl started shooting from "Korda". When the men from "Korda" shot, then only one thing and could say: "How did we fight before?"
                  2. shasherin.pavel
                    shasherin.pavel 18 November 2015 18: 25
                    +1
                    I don’t want to find fault with you: but machine guns do not shoot shells, only bullets. By the beginning of the war in the USSR there were anti-tank mines with 2-kg V.V. The Germans noted the multiple defeat of the tracks of their tanks, but not a single tank was destroyed. Urgently increased the weight of B.V. to 5 kg. The mass of the explosive in the shell from 10 to 12% of the mass of the shell. The 152-mm shell has a weight of about 42 -48 kg, which means the mass of V.V. 4.2 kg or 4.8 kg.
                    In total, the tank has about 98 tracks in both tracks, how many bullets do you need to get into the 3-4 bullets in motion? Everything else you have is related to the shooting of a wrecked or burned tank that does not shoot and does not move. I heard such a thing: there is an empty charge in the tank kit, in case the capsule does not work. A single shot of the T-72 along the street knocks out any constipation of the anus, not to mention the eyes and ears. Tankers never went to look at the dead from a single charge. So you try to demolish all the dynamic protection from the machine gun from the tank, and it’s single for you along the street. Although I understand that there is some drawback: the gunner inserts the capsule before the shot, the T-72 shell does not have shells, there is a burning capsule and a tray that is thrown through the window in the tower. But about a shot from a single six kilogram charge and told a tanker in a documentary about Chechnya.
                    1. Aleksey_K
                      Aleksey_K 18 November 2015 22: 51
                      +1
                      Quote: shasherin.pavel
                      I don’t want to find fault with you: but machine guns do not shoot shells, only bullets.

                      You just find fault with the words, please call - ammunition.
                      Quote: shasherin.pavel
                      A single shot of the T-72 along the street knocks out any constipation of the anus, not to mention the eyes and ears.

                      I was a tanker, we didn’t have such shells in tanks. But I’ll tell you about any shot. Standing in front of the tank with any shot is dangerous for the body. Concussion, hearing loss, internal and ear bleeding, and a many-month hospital stay are ensured. Even the smallest charges in the mortars make the mortar bow to the mortar, plug their ears and open their mouths.
                      1. Sorokin
                        Sorokin 20 November 2015 15: 00
                        0
                        From agree. Her legs are knocked down when the tank hits 50 meters.
                  3. Sorokin
                    Sorokin 20 November 2015 14: 50
                    0
                    At the SVPTAU shooting range in Eburg from the KVPT 60 pb, the ISU-152 was dismantled and brick mock-ups draw conclusions.
          2. Kasym
            Kasym 17 November 2015 20: 48
            +12
            Baikonur, a single tank (any) will be sentenced quickly. Therefore, only the "crowd". The tank battalion (31 vehicles) will be fine.
            But before sending you have to do a lot of things. Those Soviet Teshki were chasing all over the Union - I don't want to get into a puddle with Armata in front of the whole world, but in Syria, T-72 is for happiness. They are T-55 with din. protection is more and more. Shilok, yes Gradov (it would be great to experience the "Tornado" series - and further and more powerful than explosives). To check the T-90 while the Armata is being prepared - that would be the case. hi
            1. Aleksey_K
              Aleksey_K 17 November 2015 22: 48
              0
              Quote: Kasym
              a single tank (any) will be sentenced quickly. Therefore, only the "crowd". The tank battalion (31 vehicles) will be fine.

              The experience of the Great Patriotic War and the experience of a tank attack in Grozny shows to all lovers of tank attacks that at present all tanks are burned with hand grenade launchers from the ruins of houses.
              Therefore, cities are taken by the coverage of cities with tank wedges with landing on the armor. When the ring is closed, cleaning of the city begins. Tanks do not play a decisive role here and serve only to suppress artillery and snipers, again under the guise of infantry from grenade launchers.
              I will say briefly that to take cities you need not 30-thu tanks, but 1000-th, at least. In this case, 30% of the tanks will be burned. And not divisions, but armies. One army is on the left, the second is on the right, and the third is on the forehead. Read about the fighting in the cities in the Great Patriotic War. By the way, during the storming of Grozny, this experience was completely marked. Grachev generally boasted that Grozny would take one Airborne Division. As a result, the first tank assault ended in failure for the Russian troops.
              This is information "for thought" for the tank caps. Why do you think it takes so long in Syria to take very tiny cities around Damascus? Yes, Assad does not have armies and so many tanks. Therefore, the bandits are gradually being driven out, starved out, cut off from the supply of ammunition. And the Islamists themselves leave and give up their positions. And in some places these small towns change hands several times.
              1. vladkavkaz
                vladkavkaz 17 November 2015 22: 59
                +25
                Aleksey_K
                The experience of using tanks in Grozny in one company speaks about one thing, disorganization of control, incorrect statement of the problem, betrayal from Moscow (Berezovsky and K), lack of infantry in battles.
                I’m telling you as a direct participant.
                After Grozny in 1 company, more than this did not happen.
                There is no need to flicker the army of the Tuda, the army of the Syud, the army in the trenches and the army in the jump, the realities of 1 company showed that even an enemy who knows the terrain perfectly, having superiority in infantry, in the engineering equipment of the terrain, suffered a crushing defeat. in 1 company, there were only FIVE thousand in combat units, against 30 thousand militants.
                And already in the middle of February, from the formidable they threw the whole gangster pack, then drove to the mountains. And if again, if not for the stop orders, Yeltsin’s stupidity and venality of Berezovsky and K oligarchs, by May 95, by September maximum, the whole bunch of bandits would be crushed.
                But it turned out only in the year 99, when some people were stolen from their posts.
                A tank in the city, with the support of infantry, read BUSV ch3, everything has been written there for a long time, so your message "Tanks do not play a decisive role here and serve only to suppress artillery and snipers," is somewhat incorrect, ask any infantryman who fought there.
                1. Aleksey_K
                  Aleksey_K 18 November 2015 00: 35
                  -4
                  Quote: vladkavkaz
                  A tank in the city, with the support of infantry, read BUSV ch3, everything has long been written there, so your message "Tanks do not play a decisive role here and serve only to suppress artillery and snipers," is somewhat incorrect, ask any infantryman who fought there

                  I did not fight in Grozny, but I am a tanker, an officer and I knew the military regulations. But here is what Rokhlin himself writes: "The defeat was complete, - says General Rokhlin. - The command was in shock." The second stage of the operation of federal troops in Chechnya (the storming of Grozny), codenamed "Lom", failed, just like the first (the operation to blockade Grozny).
                  Yes, then there were significant changes and Grozny was taken. But I wrote about the first attempts to capture Grozny.
                  And here is an example of taking the Council of Ministers building.
                  12 January Rokhlin set a task to storm the building of the Council of Ministers. An interaction was organized between the units of the 98 Airborne Division and the 74 Motorized Rifle Brigade. A connection was established with the spotters of fire, located on the "candle".
                  This is actually two divisions took one building. Just the same victorious assault. This is approximately from 15 to 20 thousand people per building.
                  Now about the tanks. Rokhlin:
                  "- We can say that it was the artillery that decided the outcome of the first days of the fighting, Kirichenko (head of the missile forces and artillery of the corps, Colonel Vasily Kirichenko) showed the highest skill in managing it. He actually became one of those who saved the president, government and minister from the shame of complete the defeat of the army in Grozny. "
                  Now about the timing.
                  Only two and a half months after the start of the battles for Grozny, the last area of ​​the city held by Chechen troops came under the control of federal forces.
                  If the Red Army at such a pace would take the cities occupied by the Germans, the Great Patriotic War would last a dozen years.
                  An example from the story.
                  The Kiev offensive operation was carried out from 3 to 13 on November 1943; as a result, Kiev and Zhytomyr were liberated. In just 10 days.
                  Minsk operation (June 29 - July 4 July 1944 years) - 6 days.
                  And this is against the German troops, which the Chechens cannot even compare with in terms of quality and number of weapons.
                  I, a tank officer, was terribly outraged when the first information about the storming of Grozny arrived and the complete denial of the existing experience in the USSR. I considered it a betrayal. And no longer poke me into the BUSV, war is war, when you need to apply not only knowledge, but also cunning, ingenuity and courage. But at the same time, taking cities not with 30 tanks, as the reader suggested to "Kasym", and not throwing hats. This whole dispute is only because of these 30 and such "Kasym" is enough for victorious battles.
                  1. vladkavkaz
                    vladkavkaz 18 November 2015 10: 57
                    +7
                    Alex_K (3
                    ??????? WHAT TWO divisions ???? Where does this misinformation come from ?? Do you imagine 20 thousand people, in the same building ???
                    19 msd, advancing from the western direction, had 693 msp as part of the reinforced SME and part of the TB, ADN, part of the artillery regiment and part of the engineering, technical and rear support forces, all together constituted a group including the rear, a little more than 2000 people, which you are talking about ??
                    By February 1995, only the Chernorechye area remained behind the gangs; everyone in the remaining areas was cleaned to zero.
                    Therefore, there is no need to write nonsense here, saying that you are poked with your nose in BUSV, just poke so that they do not fight on paper, but understand that it says how to use it on the ground. They learn quickly in the war, I fought and I know about than I say, and the arguments of NOT warring, drawing information not from realities but from words, even Rohlin, not understanding what was happening then, are empty and frankly harmful.
                    The question was not that the units of the Armed Forces could not do something, but that TRIETS sat in the Kremlin, stopping successful operations, allowing the spirits to leave the attack, regroup, receive supplies and money, give the names of the culprits? Berezovsky, did you forget what kind of fruit it was? What position did you hold?
                    Somehow, at one of the meetings, General Troshev was presented with a package, a letter from Dudaev, saying that stop shooting from 24 .00, the issue is resolved with Moscow, the call to the higher headquarters, EXACTLY, the order from Moscow has snuck, so what are you talking about, army of tudes, syudas, ....
                    So they imposed on that Jewish order and until 6 in the morning, beat so that the radio howl stood from the hysteria of a gangster bastard.
                    1. Aleksey_K
                      Aleksey_K 18 November 2015 13: 24
                      -8
                      Quote: vladkavkaz
                      ??????? WHAT TWO divisions ???? Where does this misinformation come from ?? Do you imagine 20 thousand people, in the same building ???

                      The division in the USSR during this period was 11-12 thousand people. + brigade - here's 15 - 20 thousand people. This is you write disinformation. And, in general, learn to write Russian words correctly: "successful operations", "vozmozhnosti", etc., otherwise it's hard to believe that what you write is true.
                      Moreover, for you "rochlin" is written with a small letter, and "Berezovsky" you did not forget to write with a capital letter.

                      On average, the personnel of the deployed motorized rifle division in foreign groups of troops reached 10500-15000 troops, and in the deployed motorized rifle regiment to 2200-2700 14. Motorized rifle regiments in the USSR had no more than 1800 people in the state.
                      So, for example, in Soviet times, the number of Taman divisions ranged from 10-12 thousand people.
                      At the beginning of the 90's there were 77000 people in the Airborne Forces. These are 5 Airborne Divisions and 7 Assault Brigades. The team is a little more than 2000 people. Thus, 5 airborne divisions are 60 thousand people. Count yourself how many people are in a real airborne division.
                      And the building of the Council of Ministers in Grozny was taken by the 98th airborne division and the 74th motorized rifle brigade.
                      1. shasherin.pavel
                        shasherin.pavel 18 November 2015 18: 59
                        +3
                        Let's be objective, Aleksey K. And for starters, we subtract from the total number of the division a number of posts that are not participating in hostilities on the contact line with the enemy: the division commander, division headquarters, signalmen, sappers who equip the headquarters, division headquarters guards, a special department - let these be people, but they don’t fight, post office, campaign detachment, party organizers (dating back to modern times) veterinarian, convoy, storekeepers, service battalion (bathhouse laundry), repair teams of small arms and artillery, medical staff. And you won’t throw any of them out of the division’s staff, because in the division under 9 000 people fought in the trenches around 3 000. The cavalry division is about 3 000 people. So is the Airborne Division. It also has a headquarters, supply agencies, food supply.
                  2. Aleks tv
                    Aleks tv 18 November 2015 12: 00
                    +6
                    Quote: Алексей_К
                    But here is what Rokhlin himself writes:

                    Not everyone has enthusiastic illusions about this person ...
                    I do not have them.

                    By the way, there were no divisions in the Czechs, there were combined regiments and separate battalions (headquarters did not count).
                    There was a meat grinder in the Council of Ministers, as far as I remember, landing and marines were noted there. Vlad (Vladikavkaz), correct if you forgot that.
                    1. vladkavkaz
                      vladkavkaz 18 November 2015 17: 01
                      +4
                      Aleks
                      Absolutely, airborne troops, marines and infantry 693 mechanized infantry regiment, combined battalions of 74 brigades ... whoever was there ... and not "divisions", Aleksey_K in his commentary tells the staffing of units and formations, and there was none of this whom.
                      At that time I was a KomMSR, as I believe, a full-time MCP for 11 units of an armored personnel carrier 80 or is it rather half a battalion, since in that confusion I commanded two 1 companies, in the end I had 25 armored personnel carriers, Zil 131,3-cng9,3ags-17,25 PC well and every little thing ...
                  3. shasherin.pavel
                    shasherin.pavel 18 November 2015 18: 38
                    +2
                    And there they did not write anything about the fact that officers of the same army fought in Chechnya. To find out the weaknesses of an enemy tank, it was necessary to take such a tank whole. And here the graduates of our schools and academies confronted us. Tanks on the streets of Grozny were knocked out of wells: the grenade launcher was placed vertically and controlled remotely. Which tank can withstand an RPG-7 strike at the bottom? Look in Syria: there is a rodik on YouTube as the T-72 gets seven hits from an RPG on the street and goes backward. Of course, this may be an exception to the rule, but seven hits at close range ... this is an exception to all the rules of warfare. All that remains is to shout after: "Shaitan-arba" !!!
                2. Susul
                  Susul 20 November 2015 10: 47
                  0
                  Surely a tank, behind the infantryman’s back, discourages the enemy from shooting at this infantryman.
                  It's like in the famous photo where a PKK fighter stops a Georgian convoy in South Ossetia. But there is a "steel egg" fighter in the photo, and a 125mm tank barrel in the distance did not get into the frame =)
              2. shasherin.pavel
                shasherin.pavel 17 November 2015 23: 48
                +8
                They found something to remember, they drove tanks into Grozny without infantry ... Without a tank, you won’t take the city, only the tank should be used, together with the assault group and the tank landing, of direct cover. You read a little about the Second World War.
              3. Aleks tv
                Aleks tv 18 November 2015 11: 41
                +6
                Quote: Алексей_К
                I will say briefly that to take cities you need not 30-thu tanks, but 1000-th, at least. In this case, 30% of the tanks will be burned.

                Surprised by your comments, namesake ...
                request
                No tanks in the city - no way. Everything else is from the evil one.
                The main thing in the city is the RIGHT organization and configuration of the STORM assault units, into which the tanks are part of the FIRE group.
                I described here how we built the Christmas tree in the Czechs. No tanks in it - NO.
                1. Aleksey_K
                  Aleksey_K 18 November 2015 13: 53
                  -1
                  Quote: Aleks tv
                  Surprised by your comments, namesake ...

                  A whole front took part in the operation to capture Kiev - 671 thousand people. This is the 38 Army, the 60 Army and the 5 Army Guards Tank Corps (three tank and one motorized rifle brigade). Our losses are the 271 tank and 125 self-propelled guns, while keeping in mind that at that time the Nazis did not have grenade launchers, but only anti-tank guns (guns), with approximately 1000 tanks in the hull. The operation lasted 10 days.
                  Minsk in the 1944 took the 1, 2 and 3 Belarus Fronts. And this is even more soldiers, tanks, artillery and aircraft. The operation lasted 6 days
                  Grozny is a large city filled with militants with grenade launchers, tanks and artillery. It could not be taken with the help of 200 tanks. and so few soldiers. Therefore, I wrote 1000 tanks, based on the experience of World War II.
                  1. Aleks tv
                    Aleks tv 18 November 2015 16: 23
                    +5
                    Quote: Алексей_К
                    Grozny is a large city filled with militants with grenade launchers, tanks and artillery. It could not be taken with the help of 200 tanks. and so few soldiers. Therefore, I wrote 1000 tanks, based on the experience of World War II.

                    I repeat -
                    Quote: Aleks tv
                    The main thing in the city is the RIGHT organization and configuration of the STORM assault units, into which the tanks are part of the FIRE group.

                    The organization and configuration of the assault group is the most important issue, plus interaction with the forces of a higher commander.
                    And how many fighters and equipment will be in it depends on the city itself and its features.
                    I’m writing not unfounded.
                    The best groups of our time were created with the Czechs-2. There were not so many vehicles in the four lines of the Christmas tree.
                    1. vladkavkaz
                      vladkavkaz 18 November 2015 17: 04
                      +4
                      Aleks tv
                      I confirm.
                      Therefore, there were no losses comparable to the first company in the second.
                      In addition, take for example Duba-yurt, if memory doesn’t change, a cement plant, Shamanov planned, despite the general superiority of spirits in l / s and engineering support, drove from there to hell with minimal loss.
                  2. shasherin.pavel
                    shasherin.pavel 18 November 2015 19: 13
                    +2
                    Again, you can't fit! Losses are such a strange thing that everyone looks at them differently. Tank Tiger VI H serial number 00003 was taken intact near Leningrad and at an exhibition of captured weapons in Gorky Park, marshals and generals were photographed next to it, but in 1944 documents of the division, in which the tank was listed in the winter of 1942-43, were captured. So in the documents (tank number 00003) it was listed as being under repair. Our losses included a tank that fell into a repair brigade, that is, one that left the line of contact with the enemy. Soldiers admitted to hospitals were treated the same way. You forgot to remember the "Irrecoverable losses" column. But there are exceptions: After the end of the Battle of Stalingrad, 647 tanks were returned to service, credited to irrecoverable losses during the retreat. The vehicles remained in the occupied territory in July or August 1942, and returned to service in March 1943. Do not dwell on the loss column, find after that the "Irrecoverable loss" column, or you will always look ... somewhat stupid.
                2. Stena
                  Stena 18 November 2015 17: 40
                  0
                  Hello Alexey!
                  Tell me, please, but where can I find out more about this?
                  Thank you very much in advance.
                  1. Aleks tv
                    Aleks tv 18 November 2015 19: 25
                    +10
                    Quote: Stena
                    Hello Alexey!
                    Tell me, please, but where can I find out more about this?
                    Thank you very much in advance.

                    Good day, Artem.
                    Are you talking about the "herringbone"?
                    This is the tactical construction of the assault group's technique.
                    It is always different depending on the tasks.
                    The goal is to provide fire and cover with armor the main SHG force in the city - an infantryman.
                    If possible, the technician is lined up with lines with the MUTUAL MUTUAL cover. Some two years ago I painted it here on the site ...

                    Quote: Aleks tv
                    The main force in the battle in the city is the infantryman.
                    Platoons and squads are divided into assault groups of 3-5 people in each.
                    The equipment performs the functions of fire support and cover.
                    Fighting vehicles are combined into a single fire group under one command.
                    The construction of the "Christmas tree" takes into account the features of the city and the streets and is always individual. The most difficult task when storming avenues with multi-story buildings. In this case, the company tactical group “takes” one street.
                    Cars become in two rows, clinging in order to the houses. No one pokes into the center of the street.
                    The task of the vehicles of the first line of the firing group is the most difficult - they open the firing points, actually taking fire on themselves. The fire sector is cross. Those. the car controls the building on the opposite side of the street in front of another first-line combat vehicle. Accordingly, that machine does the same.
                    Who to put in the head of the Christmas tree? BMP, BTR, MTLB - this is definitely to bury the fighters. The tank is more protected, but its long-barreled gun with the characteristics of a direct-fire gun with a small elevation angle is not always effective in fulfilling a task in an urban environment. BMO-T is good, but practically unarmed.
                    Here BMPT would be useful (there is nothing else in the metal). Unsuitable besides the AGS field here could “clean” the street in front. "Thirty" controlled all the floors of buildings in height. Reservations are appropriate. The use of ATGMs is unlikely. Even if the module is destroyed, the crew is intact. The hull side is protected at the level. Here, in conjunction with the BMPT, it is possible to use a tank, and not to keep it in the second line.
                    In the second line of Christmas trees, BMP-2 vehicles are also possible. They cover the buildings of the opposite street very well in front of the assault groups and insure the windows above the first line of the fire group, but only as second-line cars when they themselves are covered. This is followed by BMP-2 support groups and general reserve vehicles.
                    Those. vehicles of one line are blocked by fire in front and above the second line of combat vehicles. Without clear coherence, the Christmas tree is impossible and even dangerous for one's own.
                    Assault groups operate slightly in front of the first line, around the first line and jump on the floors. The task of the second line is not to confuse the threat with their fighters, installed by PC and LNG-9 in window openings.

                    The second tier is a closed topic. I do not think that it is possible to discuss it on an open site. I’ll say its general meaning - fixing on the occupied territory and ensuring the passage of intersections, storming the squares.
                    A second commander, a battalion commander, leads the second echelon and passage of the intersection.


                    Artem, unfortunately now is "not the time" to talk about this, ahem ... in more detail. Still, tactics are the most important weapon)))
                    Frets?
                    hi
                    1. Stena
                      Stena 18 November 2015 21: 35
                      +1
                      Quote: Aleks tv
                      Frets?

                      Thank you so much!
                      Extremely interesting and informative.
                      Thanks a lot!
                      1. Aleks tv
                        Aleks tv 18 November 2015 22: 24
                        +6
                        Quote: Stena
                        Quote: Aleks tv
                        Frets?

                        Thank you so much!
                        Extremely interesting and informative.
                        Thanks a lot!

                        It's my pleasure )))
                        I forgot to add - in the BUSW there are the Basics for constructing such actions.
                        Lisaped has long been invented.
                        A low bow for this to our Grandfathers.
              4. tag
                tag 18 November 2015 12: 58
                -6
                The use of armored vehicles in urban combat in a modern war is a massacre! (With what for the tankmen)
                1. vladkavkaz
                  vladkavkaz 18 November 2015 17: 06
                  +5
                  ferre
                  Let me be curious about your combat experience and direct participation in battles, is there such a thing?
                  And what do you mean by the "Maikop brigade"?
                  You were there, you saw what was there, do you know the conditions in which the consolidated battalion of Maykopians fell?
                2. Aleks tv
                  Aleks tv 18 November 2015 19: 32
                  +5
                  Quote: ferret
                  The use of armored vehicles in urban combat in a modern war is a massacre! (With what for the tankmen)

                  And you yourself, ahem ... were? Or use fashionable stamps?
                  Well - try it yourself, WITHOUT reservation.)))
                  .....
                  And there is no need for the 131 Brigade to drag it like that, okay?
                  Do not disturb Memory of Fighters.
                  We studied with them .................
                  Eheh.
                  1. vladkavkaz
                    vladkavkaz 19 November 2015 17: 37
                    0
                    Aleks tv
                    I confirm.
                    Colonel Savin, the commander of the combined brigade group, who died in those battles, did everything he could to save his own.
                    Yes, we really studied.
                    The deputy commander of the 131 brigade, Colonel Kozlov Oleg Aleksandrovich, the former commander of my regiment, after leading the same combined group of the brigade into battle, had no losses, but his spirits were very, very afraid.
            2. aba
              aba 17 November 2015 22: 56
              +3
              You say the thing! smile
            3. Susul
              Susul 20 November 2015 10: 43
              0
              Where to beat from Tornado? There he took the wrong elevation, got to another country, and even through one =)
              TOS "Solntsepek" has already lit up there
          3. Good me
            Good me 17 November 2015 21: 23
            +3
            Quote: SPACE
            With such rich experience in tank building and combat use of tanks as in the Russian Federation, with modern computer-aided design and modeling methods, as well as with the latest production technologies, tanks and in general all ground combat equipment should be immediately accepted from the first units that left the assembly line weapons and delivered to the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation for full operation, without any further modifications, bypassing the experimental batch and trial use time ...


            Quote: SPACE
            I do not agree, business dictates its own strict rules, time is money, a chance is given only once and there is absolutely no right to make a mistake at all! Project, manufacturing, assembly, start-up. Experience says that it is possible. Compensate for the emerging scatter of small orders of reality, should be laid down in the basic functions of the machine, i.e. adaptability.


            But notice, for example, in the automotive industry, even the eminent firms, as they say, ate a dog, with all the experience, technology, computer modeling and test stands, during the race - "a new model before competitors", annoying "bloopers" occur, followed by mass recall of "raw" cars.

            From field tests, there is no escape. And only the fields, troops, soldiers, are able to notice that then, in battle, they can crawl out sideways ...
            1. Susul
              Susul 20 November 2015 10: 57
              0
              Unfortunately today, field tests are almost completely abandoned.
              Sometimes it takes less than half a year from the concept to the conveyor, almost all running tests take place at the stands (especially at the "Europeans")
              Which leads to the problems you described. Up to the stupid situation when not well laid brake hoses about the shock absorber are worn out
          4. crumb
            crumb 18 November 2015 07: 52
            0
            Well, you still offer WOT developers a new update to enter the game
            1. Susul
              Susul 20 November 2015 10: 58
              0
              No, this is another game already promised at level 10
        5. Vladimir 1964
          Vladimir 1964 17 November 2015 20: 20
          +1
          Quote: Baikonur
          In Syria, try at least one prototype! Run in and shoot In dust, sand, heat! May reveal flaws, hang something!

          Well, yes, with the help of crowbar, a sledgehammer and someone's mother. wassat
        6. ksv1973
          ksv1973 17 November 2015 20: 35
          +6
          Quote: Baikonur
          In Syria, try at least one prototype! Run in and shoot In dust, sand, heat! May reveal flaws, hang something!

          Do we have little of our dust, sand and heat ?! There, at least to the Astrakhan region or to Kalmykia in July-August. What is not Syria? This is about the break-in.
          Now about the sighting. The car, God bless her of the future, is still young. Therefore, it is necessary to "shoot" her in the conditions of her native landfill, and not in Syria. God forbid to make a mistake and get hit not by ISIS shaitans, but by normal civilians. First, you need to hone the entire shooting regulations on targets.
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        8. Bronis
          Bronis 17 November 2015 21: 47
          +2
          Quote: Baikonur
          In Syria, try at least one prototype! Run in and shoot

          hastened, my dear. "running in by force" is not for the first experimental batch. "Running in by force" can only take place after: bringing the machine to its senses (the equipment is new, in many respects fundamentally new), the development of a methodology for its application, improper training of personnel for it, and even as part of a regular unit. and this is at least 2-3 years.
          And besides, with whom should she fight there? With the Abduls? and what to try on them? DZ? wassat
          And most importantly, people. There are tankers there. And who wants to wave a saber with pride - let him go to Syria ... as a volunteer hi
        9. Maxom75
          Maxom75 17 November 2015 21: 48
          +1
          For starters, it’s better to capture Amer and Israeli PTKRs and check at your training ground if everything is okay then run in Syria, but not earlier than in a couple of years, while the crews train properly, while they break in. Although, as far as I understand, the T-14 is a breakthrough tank and is created to protect Russia.
          1. shasherin.pavel
            shasherin.pavel 17 November 2015 23: 55
            +2
            Quote: Maxom75
            Better to start to buy amerovsky and Israeli PTKR

            Love, everything is just bought. Do not forget that our Tu-4 had American rubber on their chassis. This was the only detail that our industry could not copy and produce. All Tu-4 wore American rubber. All the first Soviet jet aircraft flew on English engines, produced under license. The company did not find buyers for its engines and sold them to the USSR.
        10. Tollann
          Tollann 17 November 2015 22: 04
          -1
          just a couple of terrorist attacks and just sent. Yes, more, more ...)
        11. Duke
          Duke 18 November 2015 00: 50
          +4

          Recall that for the first time the general public was shown the newest tanks during a parade in honor of the 70 anniversary of the Victory. Tanks X-14 "Armata" marched through Red Square. After that, a film about the latest Russian tank was presented on Zvezda TV channel with a demonstration of its main features.

          1. Disant
            Disant 18 November 2015 03: 11
            +6
            I see that an electromagnetic impulse in the form of a nuclear explosion (at a distance of several kilometers) or a projectile (assault rifle, air-to-ground missiles, landmines)) equipped with an EMP generator that exploded even at a distance of up to 50-60 meters will damage all electronics. It’s criminal to make fully robotic machines, as the chief designer speaks of. the crew should be able to melee and fire, without the participation of diodes, transistors, resistors. T-14 should be like an AK automatic.
            1. shasherin.pavel
              shasherin.pavel 18 November 2015 20: 26
              +1
              Quote: Disant
              will disable all electronics

              But I am surprised: for the Amers above our base in Syria, there is a "bubble" where the electronics do not work or malfunction, and ours inside this "bubble" work. It's like breathing in water without a scuba gear.
            2. kostolom45
              kostolom45 19 November 2015 15: 25
              0
              Of course, the military does not know about the Faraday cage. Burns out with amy CIVIL electronics, military - at least henna ...
              1. Susul
                Susul 20 November 2015 11: 05
                0
                Well, why, not all electronics can be crammed into a Faraday cage.
                All phased antennas and all kinds of communications can take decent damage.
            3. Susul
              Susul 20 November 2015 11: 01
              0
              A tank is the most protected vehicle from any type of electromagnetic radiation and radiation exposure. Only external modules will burn, and all that under thick armor and in a shielded power winding will remain working.
              It is hoped that the surveillance cameras in the T-14 is a consumable
        12. MolGro
          MolGro 18 November 2015 03: 17
          +2
          t90 is already there)
          PS until the sample passes the test of MO they will not be released for war!
          1. chinArmy
            chinArmy 19 November 2015 03: 37
            -1
            Quote: MolGro
            t90 is already there)
            PS until the sample passes the test of MO they will not be released for war!


            God, who is this big-bellied over there ?! What kind of disgrace is this ?! Is it an army in general, or a sanatorium ??

            Who allowed the bubbles to grow? He won’t get into any takka or even wring out - his hands won’t reach the floor

            I also fastened the vest
        13. Shuttle
          Shuttle 18 November 2015 10: 17
          +3
          Quote: Baikonur
          In Syria, try at least one prototype! Run in and shoot In dust, sand, heat! May reveal flaws, hang something!

          I do not agree.
          T-14 is not a lone fighter.
          The tank is generally a collective weapon. And the modern tank is even more so.
          For exposure to dust, heat and other extreme conditions, there are less costly, more effective and absolutely safe methods.
          What is there to check? MSA? Alone, without the rest of the infrastructure? This is not Wargaming!
        14. Aleks tv
          Aleks tv 18 November 2015 12: 43
          +3
          Quote: Baikonur
          In Syria, try at least one prototype! Run in and shoot In dust, sand, heat! May reveal flaws, hang something!

          Why the hell to drag a concept into the database area?
          Then we’ll put the rembats there and place a branch of the UVZ design bureau in tents with a couple of workshops.
          And also to ask the spirits to conduct a war on a schedule, and to compile a record of credited hits and misses. It is necessary to agree with the bearded on the termination of the database in the event of the breakdown of the experimental machine, in order to find the cause on the spot.
          And so forth ...

          The transfer of the experimental batch to 20 vehicles to the troops indicates the beginning of the stage military tests and climate.
          Something I did not hear about the end of state tests ...
          So they decided to COMBINE two actions - in a hurry.
          And when "in a hurry" it is not always ice.

          It is necessary that Armata go into the series not raw, as the first batches of the T-64 did in their time.
          Good luck to Mazut on trials.
      2. 79807420129
        79807420129 17 November 2015 19: 20
        +10
        Well, that’s the process, great news.
      3. GSH-18
        GSH-18 18 November 2015 00: 29
        +2
        20 T-14 Armata tanks prepared for transfer to troops

        Very good news! With an initiative. We need more of these tanks. The process has begun! good
      4. Serafim-k
        Serafim-k 18 November 2015 04: 17
        +1
        Quote: cniza
        Today is a day of good news, for the beginning and development of new technology is already not bad.

        Gut-Gut chicken pecking a grain .. drinks
      5. edge
        edge 18 November 2015 07: 31
        0
        Quote: cniza
        Today is a good news day

        the ice has broken comrades assessors, this is already an industrial series, give BTV a new look and old traditions
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    3. gans_sp
      gans_sp 17 November 2015 19: 03
      +40
      Figs knows where there is beauty, I think the tower will be redrawn.)) For my taste, the T90 is much more beautiful.
      1. figwam
        figwam 17 November 2015 19: 10
        +41
        Quote: gans_sp
        Figs knows where there is beauty, I think the tower will be redrawn.)) For my taste, the T90 is much more beautiful.

        I like this...
        1. gans_sp
          gans_sp 17 November 2015 19: 18
          +5
          No, the content, I am sure, is at the right level and the modernization reserve with such a layout should be. But damn ugly with the current casing). Over time, pile.
          1. AUL
            AUL 17 November 2015 19: 24
            +15
            A beautiful tank is the one that completed the combat mission and remained intact. And nice forms are for Porsches and other Lexuses.
            1. gans_sp
              gans_sp 17 November 2015 20: 03
              +5
              I would like to quote A.N. Tupolev "Only beautiful planes fly well.")) But the dispute is nothing, beautiful and ugly, brunettes-blondes.
          2. Nasty
            Nasty 17 November 2015 19: 39
            -2
            I think this form of tower is something like a stealth.
          3. Oleg 91
            Oleg 91 17 November 2015 20: 42
            +3
            Quote: gans_sp
            But damn ugly with the current casing)


            You know everyone has their own criteria of beauty) For example, I like it.
          4. just exp
            just exp 17 November 2015 20: 45
            0
            I also like a fantasy render more. but the engineers decided in their own way and they have reasons for this.
      2. Simon
        Simon 17 November 2015 19: 11
        +8
        We need tanks neither ugly, but not punctured, not visible by locators and with powerful weapons. So they not only fight in parades, but also have to fight.
      3. monah10
        monah10 17 November 2015 19: 11
        +8
        Look at the T-90 without a body kit. And here protection is thrown for photo shoots. And in battle, which tank will admire?
      4. Cartman
        Cartman 17 November 2015 20: 40
        +3
        if you remove all the canopies from the t90 tower, it will look like is-3 :))
      5. ksv1973
        ksv1973 17 November 2015 20: 47
        +8
        Quote: gans_sp
        Figs knows where there is beauty, I think the tower will be redrawn.)) For my taste, the T90 is much more beautiful.

        Man, you take a big risk.
        With similar thoughts to yours that I expressed here about the rationality of the T-14 tower on the eve of the 70 anniversary of the Victory, I had a mouth full of boogers! laughing
        Although I still think that the one that was demonstrated on Red Square under the guise of T-14 has nothing to do (in the sense of a tower) with the THAT that will be in operation in our own Armed Forces, God bless them with health and less mediocrity in higher command staff! hi
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      7. Awaz
        Awaz 17 November 2015 21: 29
        +3
        I completely agree . T 90 is almost the perfect example of a modern tank. In any case, the appearance. I think that the tower will be changed in any case
    4. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 17 November 2015 19: 08
      0
      Quote: Vladimir
      It is very pleasing that the process of entering the troops has begun.

      well, let's say not to the troops ... but still, the main thing is "the process is underway" ...
      1. mirag2
        mirag2 17 November 2015 19: 15
        +10
        Well, things ... Literally every minute amazing news ... On the one hand, it was lucky at such a time to live, interesting.
      2. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 17 November 2015 19: 42
        +8
        yes what kind of stupid people then? military tests, not deliveries to the troops! fool
        1. Paranoid50
          Paranoid50 17 November 2015 20: 26
          +5
          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          military tests, not deliveries to the troops!

          Of course, the troops later. Indeed, according to the results of these tests, in any case, there will be fine-tuning, something will be changed, something will be added or removed. Nobody will put a "raw" car "into operation". The very fact of delivery of REAL machines for REAL tests is gratifying. Less than two weeks later ... I mean that less than two weeks ago one "expert" from the "WOT generation" told me for half an hour that "everything is a dummy", a video is a fake and, in general, she the idea is a dead end. Just in case, having asked about the best tank of our time, for some reason I was not surprised when he called ... well, yes, "Oplot". Fall. It happens ... PS We are waiting for the tests and their results.
    5. kodxnumx
      kodxnumx 17 November 2015 19: 20
      +2
      So they waited! This is great news, I wonder where they will be deployed.
    6. major124
      major124 17 November 2015 19: 20
      0
      The shape of the tower is not very .... high ...
    7. Tor5
      Tor5 17 November 2015 19: 29
      +3
      Great news! This is not a rivet box at a factory in Kharkov!
    8. gispanec
      gispanec 17 November 2015 19: 32
      +7
      Quote: Vladimir
      Beautiful car.

      not at all beautiful ..... just very good and probably excellent in combat use, but not beautiful ...
    9. vell.65
      vell.65 17 November 2015 19: 35
      +4
      Beautiful, but raw and brought to mind will be more than one year.
    10. demo
      demo 17 November 2015 19: 56
      0
      And who squealed that "Armata" was made of cardboard !?
      1. ksv1973
        ksv1973 17 November 2015 21: 12
        +1
        Quote: demo
        And who squealed that "Armata" was made of cardboard !?

        Well, here I am, one of the "screeching". And "squealed" HERE about this shortly before the last Victory Parade. Look at the tower in the photo for the article - just LOOK CAREFULLY. Complete camouflage and referral (in some nuances) to Pz 2 and Pz 3.
        Now try to enlarge the photo. Have you tried it? And what do we see? Except as "nonsense", such a shape of a tower for a tank of the XXI century cannot be called. For Parade, for powdering the brains of our potential "partners", this little plywood trick can be forgiven.
        I am sure that the real tower at the T-14 will be much more aesthetically pleasing.
        With which I bow! hi
    11. andranick
      andranick 17 November 2015 20: 53
      +3
      Quote: Vladimir
      Visually, it will look more harmonious with the 152 mm barrel

      Well, yes, tyuneh our FSE! Rollers for 20 ", still put track links with a low profile, finally there will be fire :)))
      1. ksv1973
        ksv1973 17 November 2015 21: 18
        +2
        Quote: andranick
        Quote: Vladimir
        Visually, it will look more harmonious with the 152 mm barrel

        Well, yes, tyuneh our FSE! Rollers for 20 ", still put track links with a low profile, finally there will be fire :)))

        They forgot about the anti-wing, my friend! hi
        And it would not hurt to "pump", or even better - to replace, the standard audio system. What is it, how can you live without a subwoofer ?! crying
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    12. Dimka off
      Dimka off 17 November 2015 21: 27
      0
      Quote: Vladimir
      Visually, it will look more harmonious with the 152 mm barrel

      and not only visually) Power will also look better on this tank smile We are waiting when they deliver)
      1. magician
        magician 17 November 2015 22: 59
        0
        a 152mm gun was developed under it, rather after testing in the troops or subsequent modernization.
      2. magician
        magician 17 November 2015 23: 00
        0
        a 152mm gun was developed and tested for it. Rather, they will install it during modernization.
    13. mvg
      mvg 17 November 2015 21: 27
      +3
      belay People have different tastes .. When I saw it for the first time, I thought that they brought bad weed to designers-designers .. It is clear that "stealth", well, there are many faces, planes, all sorts of slopes, trapezoids .. But even Abrasha looks like an esthete ... F-117 was put on caterpillars .. And even in the "morning", without the morning dusting .. and "I'll draw my face."
      152 mm, these are new BOPSs. Do you propose to launch 125 matches in the second wave? (T-90MS, T-72B3). And the ammunition will be 25-30 rounds.
      PS: And anyway, designers just bring vodka and ask them to make at least a false cap on top, like on type 99A2
      1. gans_sp
        gans_sp 17 November 2015 21: 41
        +2
        God be with him, with stealth, some kind of bulletproof casing should be (more beautiful)). And then the shaitan with the PKK will knock all nishtyaks and there is no KAZ.
    14. Awaz
      Awaz 17 November 2015 21: 27
      +5
      Well, about beauty and aesthetics, I would argue. I hope all the same that finally the tank will really please the eye. What we saw at the parade is hard to call beautiful. Always all the equipment in the USSR was outwardly pleasing to the eye, simple and concise, with the exception of some monsters that had sunk into oblivion.
      I didn’t see anything beautiful in the tank. I would like to take a look at how it will be developed at the training ground and what conclusions will be drawn.
      1. ksv1973
        ksv1973 17 November 2015 21: 39
        +1
        Quote: AwaZ
        ... I would like to take a look at how it will be developed at the training ground and what conclusions will be drawn.

        But THIS is the main thing !!! hi
        Without this, a tank is not a tank.
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    15. shasherin.pavel
      shasherin.pavel 17 November 2015 23: 26
      0
      Quote: Vladimir
      Visually she is with
      155 mm caliber. It would not be a problem to put a rifled 152 mm, we have them, but the adoption of the 155-mm smooth barrel is slowed down, apparently.
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    17. edge
      edge 18 November 2015 07: 29
      +1
      Quote: Vladimir
      Beautiful car. Visually, it will look more harmonious with a 152 mm barrel, but still beautiful.

      will have to reduce the sidewall, but for 152 mm there is a "coalition" in several versions
    18. Alexey-74
      Alexey-74 18 November 2015 09: 38
      0
      Great news, I hope all tests will be successful and we will finally see the arrival of the T-14 into the troops already as serial
    19. rBo3qb
      rBo3qb 18 November 2015 16: 42
      0
      There is something to please foreign partners
    20. Benya krik
      Benya krik 18 November 2015 22: 16
      0
      Quote: "Visually, it will look more harmonious with a 152 mm barrel" so for this, it seems like there is a "coalition" ...
    21. complete zero
      complete zero 18 November 2015 23: 30
      +1
      I don’t know what, apparently, I don’t like the turnover?))) Yes, God bless him, the main thing is that the tank be good
  2. kebeskin
    kebeskin 17 November 2015 18: 59
    +8
    Quickly. More to them. Now the situation is such in the world that many new models of equipment are categorically necessary in the troops.
    1. kil 31
      kil 31 17 November 2015 19: 05
      +9
      We can assume that the tanks are in order. At the factory, they drove them to their love and tail and mane. If they are transferred to the army, then the tanks withstood all the bullying of the factory workers. Now the crews will train.
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 17 November 2015 19: 10
        +10
        Quote: keel 31
        At the factory, they drove them to their love and tail and mane. If they are transferred to the army, then the tanks withstood all the bullying of the factory workers.

        The "bullying" will begin now. An experienced game, for that, and an experienced one ...
        1. AUL
          AUL 17 November 2015 19: 29
          +8
          The party went not to the troops, but to military trials - and these are two big differences!
          1. vorobey
            vorobey 17 November 2015 19: 44
            +3
            Quote: AUL
            The party went not to the troops, but to military trials - and these are two big differences!


            quote..
            The message says that the party consists of 20 units of the latest armored vehicles, which are being prepared for transfer to the troops in the near future. RIA Novosti quotes a statement from the representative of the defense enterprise Vyacheslav Khalitov, who is the general director for special equipment at Uralvagonzavod:


            We have made a pilot batch of Armata tanks from 20, now they are at the plant and are preparing to be transferred to the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation.
          2. aviator65
            aviator65 17 November 2015 19: 55
            +1
            Quote: AUL
            The party went not to the troops, but to military trials - and these are two big differences!

            That's it! The same T-64, how much did they bring to mind? Incidentally, he was also a revolutionary machine at one time. Therefore, it is probably not worth it, "I'd rather join the troops! fellow ". Too complicated and expensive apparatus. Here it is necessary to be more careful! And the troops should receive a vehicle already really ready for combat use. Otherwise, everything will result in exorbitant" hemorrhoids "and" headaches "for tankers.
        2. vorobey
          vorobey 17 November 2015 19: 42
          +2
          Quote: Andrew Y.
          Quote: keel 31
          At the factory, they drove them to their love and tail and mane. If they are transferred to the army, then the tanks withstood all the bullying of the factory workers.

          The "bullying" will begin now. An experienced game, for that, and an experienced one ...


          but where are those 14 that were at the parade? request
          1. Andrey Yuryevich
            Andrey Yuryevich 17 November 2015 19: 52
            +2
            Quote: vorobey
            but where are those 14 that were at the parade?

            Hi Sanya hi they were brought back to Tagil, it is possible that they are among these 20 wink
      2. Koshak
        Koshak 17 November 2015 19: 18
        +2
        Quote: Kil 31
        We can assume that the tanks are in order. At the factory, they drove them to their love and tail and mane. If they are transferred to the army, then the tanks withstood all the bullying of the factory workers. Now the crews will train.

        This batch is most likely intended for military trials.
    2. monah10
      monah10 17 November 2015 19: 05
      +1
      Moreover, in the Amy of New Russia and Syria. What a dream.
  3. Strezhevchanin
    Strezhevchanin 17 November 2015 19: 01
    +1
    Running in, we’ll find out more soon.
  4. Kars
    Kars 17 November 2015 19: 01
    +27
    The Chinese stamped faster than the BM hit.
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 17 November 2015 19: 12
      +1
      Quote: Kars
      The Chinese stamped faster than the BM hit.

      you already have? Hey Ya! hi
      1. Kars
        Kars 17 November 2015 21: 49
        +8
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        you already have?

        It will be vryatli, unless someone gives it. I personally do not believe that in this form it will go into series. The minimum gun on the 152 mm will be changed.
        In the meantime, I had a new goal - the first tank, I will save)) after the revolution .. dignity .. it's hard))
        1. Paranoid50
          Paranoid50 17 November 2015 22: 21
          +3
          Quote: Kars
          In the meantime, I had a new goal - the first tank, I will save)) p

          Scale 1:35? I have two of them: "male" and "female", albeit on a 72nd scale.
          1. Kars
            Kars 17 November 2015 22: 31
            +3
            Quote: Paranoid50
            Scale 1: 35?

            Yes, I haven’t seen one in 35 before.
    2. figwam
      figwam 17 November 2015 19: 15
      +1
      Quote: Kars
      The Chinese stamped faster than the BM hit.

      Well, if China, then saw, saw and saw again.
      1. tomket
        tomket 17 November 2015 19: 45
        +3
        Quote: figvam
        Well, if China, then saw, saw and saw again.

        Just China is now in the business of modeling ahead of the rest.
        1. figwam
          figwam 17 November 2015 19: 55
          +1
          Do not tell), all models from China have deviations, errors and require a long peeling.
    3. Nagaibak
      Nagaibak 17 November 2015 19: 31
      +2
      = Kars "The Chinese stamped it faster than BM got into the troops."
      This they can!))))
    4. Albert1988
      Albert1988 17 November 2015 19: 41
      +1
      Quote: Kars
      The Chinese stamped faster than the BM hit.

      Hmm ... Most likely there will be a cloud of inaccuracies and distortions of proportions ... Of course, this is my subjective opinion, but I have some suspicions about all Chinese, except for the "Trump" ...

      So I will wait for Trumpeter to release))))
      1. Maksus
        Maksus 17 November 2015 19: 59
        +2
        All the power is in Dragon! Although Trump is not bad, it will be easier. And according to our technique, Modelkollekta is now driving, although they obviously have a drunken one-eyed crooked locksmith Armatu)
        1. Albert1988
          Albert1988 17 November 2015 20: 25
          0
          Quote: Maksus
          All the power is in Dragon! Although Trump is not bad, it will be easier.

          I somehow didn’t notice the difference in the level of performance, although I judged by several different things - I have Trumpov’s MSTA-S from armored vehicles, my friend has the Dragon royal tiger — if you compare the quality, then it’s one level.
      2. figwam
        figwam 17 November 2015 19: 59
        +1
        Trumpeter is also kosyachny, I suffered with him.
        1. Albert1988
          Albert1988 17 November 2015 20: 24
          0
          Quote: figvam
          Trumpeter is also kosyachny, I suffered with him.

          How to say - I have Trump's MSTA, Moscow, Richelieu - everything is gorgeous, in Moscow even photo-etching of radar gratings is included directly in the set, except that for Richelieu with the Civil Code and generally trunks, I took rolled trunks to it (in general, from the Frenchman Tramp’s study is almost better than that of Tirpitz from Revel (!), but for everything else - the parts fit perfectly, there are no gaps, the detail is at the level, so everything is fine, I think they will work well, and Kars wrote below that there Meng agreed with UVZ, this is also good)))
      3. Paranoid50
        Paranoid50 17 November 2015 22: 24
        +4
        Released Modelkollekt, by the new year we expect from "MIRA.COLLECTION TANKS". By the way, the Chinese made a mistake: the tower is not in size at all.
        1. tomket
          tomket 18 November 2015 00: 02
          +1
          Quote: Paranoid50
          we are waiting for the new year from "TANKS OF THE WORLD.COLLECTION".

          I envy you frankly. Due to the reduction in volumes, this joy will not get to us. Like others in the series. by the new year, except that "Volgar" will please.
    5. vorobey
      vorobey 17 November 2015 19: 45
      +3
      Quote: Kars
      The Chinese stamped faster than the BM hit.


      Hello missing ... how alive is healthy. drinks
      1. Kars
        Kars 17 November 2015 19: 53
        +4
        All hi

        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        you already have?

        No, no.
        Quote: vorobey
        how alive is healthy

        slowly
        Quote: tomket
        Just China is now in the business of modeling ahead of the rest.

        That’s for sure, they turned my hobby into horror, horror as much as everything, and how much you want, and where they were three years ago))))

        Quote: Albert1988
        So I will wait for Trumpeter to release))))

        Then it’s better to wait for Meng, they have concluded a cooperation agreement with UVZ.
        1. Maksus
          Maksus 17 November 2015 20: 01
          +1
          These in 35, it seems? That would be in 72m, ehhh.
        2. Albert1988
          Albert1988 17 November 2015 20: 21
          0
          Quote: Kars
          Then it’s better to wait for Meng, they have concluded a cooperation agreement with UVZ.

          Good news, Meng is still serious.
        3. Per se.
          Per se. 17 November 2015 21: 22
          +3
          Kars, glad to see you alive and hopefully healthy! For what they "demoted", however? It was decided that they had called for a self-propelled gun, for a thankless job, glad if this is not so and that "resurrected" on the site. Sincerely.
          1. Kars
            Kars 17 November 2015 21: 30
            +4
            Quote: Per se.
            I decided that I had been drafted for a self-propelled gun, for a thankless job, glad if this is not so and that I was "resurrected" on the site. Sincerely.

            hi
            It’s a pity the function used to show who is online on the site. It would be clear that I’m here all the time.
        4. tomket
          tomket 17 November 2015 23: 58
          0
          Quote: Kars
          That’s for sure, they turned my hobby into horror, horror as much as everything, and how much you want, and where they were three years ago))))

          In general, now there is a horror with this hobby. If a year ago from "Zvezda" the nose turned up, where does she darling from me go, now she sucked in to the very top. Yes, and oblique models when assembling or painting now stand in line for a better study. It was too expensive a pleasure to send even an obtuse "panther" from Zvezda at 1:72 to the trash bin.
  5. ejov1976
    ejov1976 17 November 2015 19: 01
    +6
    Send them all to Assad, everything with them will immediately become obvious.
    1. Strezhevchanin
      Strezhevchanin 17 November 2015 19: 06
      +9
      Quote: ejov1976
      Send them all to Assad, everything with them will immediately become obvious.

      Can I bring the remnants of the caliphate to the Alabino training ground?
  6. viktor561
    viktor561 17 November 2015 19: 02
    +5
    Every day pleases - either new boats and ships - or attack helicopters - now the long-awaited T-14 "Armata" !!!!!
  7. Terrible_L.
    Terrible_L. 17 November 2015 19: 03
    +2
    good news in the evening smile
  8. Egor123
    Egor123 17 November 2015 19: 04
    +2
    Well, now let's look at her in action! wink
  9. figwam
    figwam 17 November 2015 19: 06
    +4
    People do business, good luck!
  10. iliitchitch
    iliitchitch 17 November 2015 19: 12
    +2
    The Germans are going to catch up and overtake ... Do they even know what a "five-year plan in three years" is? fellow
    In general, the world is changing rapidly, they are already chasing us. When the states will catch up with us by means of electronic warfare, I wonder? That's where they are in flight specifically.
  11. bannik
    bannik 17 November 2015 19: 13
    +5
    We are waiting for fakes from the outskirts - "Russian tank battalions equipped with" Armats "are fighting in the east of Ukraine.
    PS: I won’t be surprised.
    1. aviator65
      aviator65 17 November 2015 20: 00
      +3
      So they were already burnt there in packs of RPGs! fellow Only annoyance: for some reason, all the mobile phones were suddenly discharged, and the pictures did not work out. lol
      1. bannik
        bannik 17 November 2015 20: 18
        0
        Yes, they’ll draw right now. And on / in the outskirts, and in Syria, and ..., well, where they say, they will draw there. The main thing is that they paid pennies for dint!
  12. NEXUS
    NEXUS 17 November 2015 19: 15
    +6
    And there you look and live to see the big series. Did it seem to me alone that somehow everything happened quickly and soon?
    1. bannik
      bannik 17 November 2015 19: 55
      0
      Cross - it seemed! Personally, I was waiting!
  13. tinibar
    tinibar 17 November 2015 19: 16
    +3
    Quote: Vladimir
    Beautiful car. Visually, it will look more harmonious with a 152 mm barrel, but still beautiful.
    It is very pleasing that the process of entering the troops has begun. Good luck!!!

    Yes, I really want to see the 152 mm Armata!
    1. Albert1988
      Albert1988 17 November 2015 19: 43
      +2
      Quote: tinibar
      Yes, I really want to see the 152 mm Armata!

      Nothing - we were waiting for the "simple" T-14 for 3 years, and with a 152mm gun we will wait a year or two))))
      1. Per se.
        Per se. 17 November 2015 21: 33
        +3
        Quote: Albert1988
        and wait a year or two with the 152mm gun))))
        If it were not for the well-known company in the leadership of the Moscow Region, including Popovkin and Postnikov, we would have received a super tank with an 152 mm gun for mass production already in the 2010-2011 year. In the photo, one of the options for the T-95 with the 152 mm 2A83 gun, on the side of the turret you can see the 30 mm automatic gun 2A42 (to save 152 mm shells for secondary purposes). The operating time did not disappear, most likely the tower on the T-14 will soon be different, like the gun.
        1. onix757
          onix757 17 November 2015 21: 38
          +1
          It seems that they didn’t bother at Uralvagonzavod, they dusted off the Soviet project and voila
          1. Albert1988
            Albert1988 17 November 2015 22: 20
            0
            Quote: onix757
            It seems that they didn’t bother at Uralvagonzavod, they dusted off the Soviet project and voila

            So what? All the main solutions have been worked out at Object 195, although it is difficult to call it Soviet - yes, it was started in 1988, but most of the work was carried out after the restructuring, so 2 prototypes (it is argued that there are 2 of them) were assembled in the early 2000s ... And so the T-14 is actually the implementation of the same ideas that were embodied in the 195th, on the "armata" platform ...
          2. Per se.
            Per se. 17 November 2015 23: 55
            -3
            Quote: onix757
            dust off the Soviet project and voila
            Not "voila", we adapted the body for throwing the engine back and forth due to problems on the "platform" on a rather expensive chassis. Whether it was worth it is another question, but we lost almost five years, plus another 64 billion rubles were invested in R&D and R&D. If the T-95 had already passed State tests by 2010, then the "platform" was received in its raw form only by May 2015 and with a 125 mm cannon, the ascent angle of which, in the presented tower, raises questions. If the T-95 was accused of high cost (estimated at about 450 million rubles) and problematic for the development of conscripts, then the T-14 lowered a little in price, and for conscripts, apparently, is generally inaccessible. How much a heavy BMP T-15 is needed, and whether it was worth for the sake of it to force the design of the tank, is the same question as the expediency of exchanging a new and expensive tank base for the prospects of building bridges, evacuation and repair vehicles, self-propelled guns and so on, which has long been decided on the mastered and reliable chassis T-72 / T-90. It remains to wait for the fine-tuning of the T-14, after testing already in the troops.
            1. Albert1988
              Albert1988 18 November 2015 08: 36
              +1
              Quote: Per se.
              with a 125 mm cannon, the elevation angle of which, in the presented tower, raises questions

              And what questions does it raise? And most importantly why - you have not explained ... Who really asked questions about the vertical deflection angle of the gun, and that - the negative angle - is the good old "black eagle" ...
              1. Per se.
                Per se. 18 November 2015 10: 59
                0
                Quote: Albert1988
                And what questions does he raise?
                The pumping angle of the 2A83 gun on the T-95 in the vertical plane, at its height, was greater than on the T-72, T-90 tanks. Of course, in this case, my opinion will be purely subjective, but on the T-14, with the tower presented, the positive angle of vertical guidance of the 125 mm gun looks less than that of the T-95. Maybe I'm wrong, enlighten if you know.
                1. Albert1988
                  Albert1988 18 November 2015 11: 43
                  0
                  Quote: Per se.
                  The angle of pumping of the 2A83 gun on the T-95 in the vertical plane, at its height, was greater than on the T-72, T-90 tanks.

                  And the height of the T-14 tower is less than the object 195? And if less, how much? And here’s what - basically the height of the tower affects the negative angle - because there is more space to raise the breech bar up, as for the positive angle - then everything is not so obvious, but if you derive a direct relationship between the vertical angle of deviation of the gun and the height of the tank’s tower, just search the Internet for photos of the moment when the tankman walked around the car during its parking in one of the streets in Moscow before the parade, or watch the video, you have a photo of object 195, which people are sitting on, so you can approximately Compare the height of the towers of both cars.
                  And in turn, I will throw you another photo - this is a photo of an experimental deployment of a "naked" combat module from object 195 with 2A83 on the T-72 chassis - look - the tower is not that high (especially if you take into account the size of the gun)
                  1. Per se.
                    Per se. 18 November 2015 12: 40
                    0
                    Quote: Albert1988
                    And in turn, I will throw you another photo - this is a photo of an experimental deployment of a "naked" combat module from object 195 with 2A83 on a T-72 chassis - look - the tower is not that high
                    Above there is a photo of the T-95, imagine for yourself the comparison of the T-95 and T-14 towers. The lower the gun’s barrel is in the tower, the more problematic are the positive angles of its vertical guidance. In this sense, the existing T-14 tower raises questions. There is no complete information for comparison, there is no point in arguing about this, I just expressed my opinion here, no more.
                    1. Albert1988
                      Albert1988 18 November 2015 13: 10
                      0
                      Quote: Per se.
                      Above there is a photo of the T-95, you yourself think in comparison the T-95 and T-14 tower.

                      So I wondered many times already - they are almost the same height, which by the way was not the only one that raised questions for me, because as many point out at 195, the height of the tower was primarily dictated by the size of the guns.
                      Quote: Per se.
                      The lower the gun’s barrel is in the tower, the more problematic are the positive angles of its vertical guidance. In this sense, the existing T-14 tower raises questions.

                      In this regard, there is a very plausible assumption that the T-14 tower turned out to be somewhat "recessed" into the hull relative to the same object 195 due to the thick armor in the upper hemisphere, by the way, if you compare the hull height of the 195th and the T-14, it is obvious it can be seen that the body of the T-14 is slightly higher, although the overall height of the vehicles is approximately the same.
                      But you are certainly right - as long as there is no accurate information (it is pleasing that our secrets have not been forgotten), so it remains only to wait for its wider access.
        2. Albert1988
          Albert1988 17 November 2015 22: 16
          +1
          Quote: Per se.
          If it were not for the well-known company in the leadership of the Moscow Region, including Popovkin and Postnikov, we would get a super tank with a 152 mm gun for mass production already in 2010-2011

          This is unlikely, the Object 195 ("some Israeli rag called it T-95 and ours picked it up) had many shortcomings, including an incredible price and problems with electronics. In this connection, apparently, they decided that it was better to implement this a project without a 152mm fool and on a universal platform, although, of course, it was not without intrigue, alas ...
          1. Per se.
            Per se. 18 November 2015 00: 14
            0
            Quote: Albert1988
            T-95 some Israeli newspaperwoman called him and ours picked up
            Not an Israeli rag, but Defense Minister Igor Sergeev. By the way, as noted, the tank made a strong impression on him, and the car was supposed to go into production, after the elimination of certain remarks (state tests, I repeat, the tank passed). Problems with electronics and now problems, we have this in common. A project without a "152 mm fool", by and large, loses everything for which this garden was used, creating a supertank with a completely uninhabited tower, precisely because of this "fool". With the 125 mm cannon, the solution was much better, which was used in the "Black Eagle" (by the way, the installation of a more powerful cannon was also assumed). As you can see in the diagram, it is much more spacious, and not the crew, but the autoloader is allocated into a cramped capsule, with a significant increase in the protection of the crew, in a more comfortable volume, with the crew members spaced apart. In general, it is a crime to take and bankrupt the Omsk Tank Plant, as well as spoil the T-80, the potential of which can rival the T-90. The "Black Eagle" was a new machine from the T-80, but the "Eagle" was initially considered by the then leadership of the Ministry of Defense, only in an export guise, take an interest in foreign buyers. If you are interested, all this is in the public domain, read and think about the motivations of capitalism. The scheme of the "Black Eagle" is taken from the description of the patent for it.
            1. Albert1988
              Albert1988 18 November 2015 08: 26
              +1
              Quote: Per se.
              Not an Israeli newspaper, but Defense Minister Igor Sergeyev.

              Sergeev resigned in 1998, when Object 195 did not really exist in metal. so that only his project could make an impression on him, moreover, it becomes not very clear which tank he was talking about also because then the Omsk people were actively promoting their "black eagle".
              Quote: Per se.
              A project without "152 mm fool", by and large, loses everything for which this garden was built,

              Not at all, a 152 mm gun was installed on object 195 solely at the urgent request of the project curator from the Ministry of Defense, General Mayev, who, by the way, motivated this by the fact. that NATO members can equip their leopards and Abrams with 140 mm guns and we need to achieve superiority in advance. Nevertheless, technology does not stand still, and the firepower, which was then achieved only by increasing the caliber, can now be achieved without it, improving the characteristics of the "small" 125 mm projectile and the ballistics of the 125 mm gun. It is worth noting that for 152 mm, you will definitely have to deploy powerful production of new shells, and 125 mm 2A82, although it has a new line of longer (900mm) shells, can also use old 125 mm (700mm) shells, of which there are a lot of warehouses. The installation of 140 mm guns on the Leo and Abrashi failed miserably. Moreover - our Ministry of Defense did not abandon the project with a 152 mm gun - they officially declared that the 2A83 had long been developed and seemed to be brought to mind. And then - it's not only about the cannon, for example, the 195th had very weak protection of the upper hemisphere, the T-14 had very decent armor there, the 195th had a simple bottom, the T-14 (and armata in principle) - it is U-shaped (well shown in the "military acceptance"), and this is only a small part of the shortcomings of object 195, which in many respects tipped the scales in favor of armata.
              Quote: Per se.
              With a 125 mm cannon, the solution was much better, which was used in the "Black Eagle"

              But not to say - the "eagle" was essentially a project of "alteration" of the T-80, moreover, the residents of Omsk were then in such a state. that only a model could be built - everything that is shown in the diagram - did not exist in the metal, because the tower was at the "eagle", which is called "plywood" with dummies of devices, the Omsk people then demonstrated the car and asked for money to produce a full-fledged prototype, but in 1997 , of course, there was no money, all the more it was still not clear what would happen, because, as you yourself said, capitalism presupposes, first of all, making a profit, and when you do not have at least a full-fledged prototype, it is almost impossible to assess the risks.
              1. Per se.
                Per se. 18 November 2015 11: 29
                0
                Quote: Albert1988
                Sergeev resigned in the 1998 year, then in the metal the 195 Object really did not exist yet. so only his project could impress him
                Sergeev was the Minister of Defense until March 28, 2001, and "Object 195" was presented to him when he visited UVZ in 2000, it was Sergeev who brought the tank from the concept of "object" to the name T-95. We can agree that the resource of the 2A83 gun is lower, that shells are needed, so by this logic, there are more old tanks. There is no point in arguing that the T-14 is a later and modern model, it would be a sin if nothing was improved on it. Nothing could tip the scales in favor of the T-14, at the time of the announcement by Mr. Popovkin about the termination of funding for the almost finished T-95 (April 2010), the "Armata" did not exist. About the plywood tower on the "Eagle", then the chassis was six-tier, from the T-80, this is an episode at the then exhibition. Later, the "Black Eagle" was shown on a seven-wheel, project-specific chassis, and already without any "plywood".
                1. Albert1988
                  Albert1988 18 November 2015 11: 52
                  0
                  As for the Minister of Defense, he may have been dismissed by 2001, but only a competent military man will never call the experimental machine the name of the serial, this is the lot of illiterate journalists, usually.
                  As for the "eagle", I honestly admit that I don't know about the demonstration of its tower on a 6-tick chassis - there are no photos on the network, but its "native" 80-wheel chassis cannot be called fully native either, because in fact it was a sawn-through chassis The T-1 is simply lengthened by 72 roller, just as in the case of MSTA-S, the chassis of the T-7 was lengthened, as a result of such things, the weight distribution naturally suffers, which in the case of a tank is very critical, and moreover - the same aggregate, the one on The XNUMX rinks also had a "plywood" tower - I mean. that for him there were no corresponding sights, no conveyor AZ, no BIUS, no new DZ, with which the forehead of the turret had to be hung - the turret was a complete mock-up, although yes - the gun was real, only this could not shoot .. And so yes - everything is naturally made of metal ...
                  1. Per se.
                    Per se. 18 November 2015 12: 46
                    +1
                    Quote: Albert1988
                    As for the Minister of Defense, he may have been dismissed by 2001, but only a competent military man will never call the experimental machine the name of the serial, this is the lot of illiterate journalists, usually.
                    There is an opinion that for this he was dismissed. Sergeev was shown a full-scale sample. The tank itself was developed for a long time, the creation of a new machine was the result of the development of a promising project for a tank of the Soviet Union, launched within the framework of the "Improvement-88" research and development competition (1988). On "Eagle" I can show you a photo, with a six-roller version, for the rest I will refrain from commenting.
                    1. Albert1988
                      Albert1988 18 November 2015 13: 05
                      +1
                      Quote: Per se.
                      There is an opinion that they dismissed for this.

                      Only for one is unlikely, although anything can be ...
                      Quote: Per se.
                      The tank itself was developed for a long time, the creation of a new machine was the result of the development of a promising project for a tank of the Soviet Union, launched within the framework of the "Improvement-88" research and development competition (1988).

                      What kind of tank do you mean? "Black Eagle" which? If it is, then it was not developed within the framework of the "improvement of 1988" project - the Omsk residents did indeed present a deep modernization of the T-80, but still it was not as radical as the "black eagle", which was born later, already in the 90s, but As for the length of the chassis - unfortunately, both cars are not photographed in profile, so it is difficult to determine by eye - but in the second photo, where there are 6 rollers, the intervals between the rollers look much larger than in the first one, where there are 7 rollers, which means we can assume that its 6-tick chassis was also lengthened, but without adding additional rollers (like the MSTA-S, by the way!), and in a later version a seventh roller was added to improve driving performance.
                      1. Per se.
                        Per se. 18 November 2015 22: 37
                        +1
                        Quote: Albert1988
                        Which tank do you mean?
                        I mean the T-95 tank (object 195). At one time, everything was so confused, mixed up, T-95, "Black Eagle", T-90M, plus a lot of technical design fantasies that one shouldn't be surprised. I think you are mistaken about the fact that the base on the Orel has been banally lengthened, like on a self-propelled gun, the hull is similar to the T-80, but this is not the same. The photo is clickable.
                      2. Per se.
                        Per se. 18 November 2015 22: 41
                        +1
                        You can also look at the picture. There is (at least there was) a description of the "Black Eagle" tank in the patent for it. If interested, type in a search engine.
                      3. Albert1988
                        Albert1988 18 November 2015 22: 52
                        +1
                        The problem here is that just the hull itself is not visible, although judging by the photo with the comment above - the VLD is exactly like the T-80, the same applies to the mounted armor on the VLD - one to one with the T-80UD, as and side skirts (although they were shorter for the T-80UD), the fuel tanks in the fenders are also one-on-one with the T-80, but this is all a body kit, it could have been put on too. Although it can be seen that the engine compartment has become much larger, but the fact that the VLD is the same. as in the standard 80's and even the "neckline" is present - then we can assume that the body of the herds is longer due to the increase in the size of the MTO.
                      4. Per se.
                        Per se. 19 November 2015 11: 54
                        +1
                        Quote: Albert1988
                        The VLD is exactly like the T-80, the same applies to the hinged armor on the VLD - one on one with the T-80UD, like the side screens (although they were shorter on the T-80UD), there are also one loading tanks in the fenders one with the T-80
                        This is quite natural, "Eagle" further development. Take an interest in such a machine as the T-80U-M1 "Bars". According to the Eagle, the track of the Black Eagle is similar to the T-80 in design, but slightly wider. The tank has an independent torsion bar suspension with hydraulic shock absorbers. "Eagle" has an elongated body with reinforced armor protection. The configuration of the frontal part of the hull has been significantly changed. The driver's workplace is no longer located under the hatch, but behind it, which increases protection and improves ergonomics. Read more http://btvt.narod.ru/3/640/640.htm
                      5. Albert1988
                        Albert1988 19 November 2015 12: 57
                        +1
                        Quote: Per se.
                        Take an interest in such a machine as the T-80U-M1 "Bars".

                        The leopard was a very interesting car, mainly due to the installation of the arena (actually, if I don’t confuse anything, it was tested on it), although as for me. so it was necessary to develop something similar for the T-72, for the T-80 for obvious reasons was decommissioned, and the T-72 remained the main machine.
                        Quote: Per se.
                        The configuration of the frontal part of the body is significantly changed.

                        I followed your link and on the diagrams presented there did not notice any significant changes in the frontal part - that weakened "decollete" zone was preserved in full, the inclination of the VLD and NLD is exactly like that of a simple T-80, and by the way it is good on the diagram it can be seen that the carrier was not pushed back too much, although this is unlikely to affect anything, the "neckline" remains, so if something arrives in front "successfully", then everything, except that he added protection from the sides, which, of course, is good ... So the hull, judging by the drawings presented, is really just an elongated 80 hull, but its tower - yes, it deserves close attention - because you can see that the upper hemisphere is very well armored, plus a KAZ is installed on top (I have a that it will cover the upper hemisphere as well, and not only the side projections). To be honest, I imagined that the T-14 would have a tower of this type.
                      6. Per se.
                        Per se. 19 November 2015 21: 04
                        +1
                        I think you will be interested (if you have not read this article before), the article "Modern Russian tanks", - http://militaryexp.com/statyi/0005.html . All the best.
  • AlexTires
    AlexTires 17 November 2015 19: 17
    +2
    Wow, replenishment - as many as 20 newest tanks! I feel that the West is now seriously scared - they are still discussing our "Armata" and its capabilities! And this is just the first experimental industrial batch!
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS 17 November 2015 19: 21
      +3
      Quote: AlexTires
      Wow, replenishment - as many as 20 newest tanks! I feel that the West is now seriously scared - they are still discussing our "Armata" and its capabilities! And this is just the first experimental industrial batch!

      So I think that something similar will happen with the PAK FA ... they say that 12 cars will be released, but in reality ... well, God forbid, we have more and faster such cars. Something started to accelerate ... I just can’t get rid of this sensation.
      1. g1v2
        g1v2 17 November 2015 19: 38
        +12
        We live in an interesting time. Over these 2 years of events happened - like 20 years before. Every month, like a compressed year. Politics, economics, wars, sports, etc. There are so many in total that sometimes I sit and get sick. And the most important thing in the other - so that this all happens, the preparation was carried out over the last 5 years at least. And we saw only a drop from all this. Contracts, diplomacy, technology projects, factories, public debt payments, military doctrine, food security doctrine, military reform, etc., etc. And all this so that when I come home from work I sit with a sagging jaw and stupidly be proud of the country. wassat
    2. gladcu2
      gladcu2 17 November 2015 22: 49
      +1
      AlexTires

      Yeah. The West cannot enter Armata so far in AW.

      And here already 20 pieces were sent to the troops.
  • Wild_grey_wolf
    Wild_grey_wolf 17 November 2015 19: 17
    +3
    An unexpected message, direct progress is so significant, the school of tank building is felt.
  • erased
    erased 17 November 2015 19: 18
    +11
    While the Russian army is preparing to accept tanks, ISIS accepts gifts from aviation. They probably like it ...

    1. Wild_grey_wolf
      Wild_grey_wolf 18 November 2015 08: 04
      +1
      Now they’ll understand what the real VKS look like, otherwise they seized the old plane and threatened that they would go to Russia. They are probably not far away and they think all states look like they have in Africa. One military plane and you are the god of heaven)))
  • UVB
    UVB 17 November 2015 19: 21
    +1
    Quote: gans_sp
    Figs knows where there is beauty, I think the tower will be redrawn.)) For my taste, the T90 is much more beautiful.

    My opinion, what we saw at the parade is camouflage so that no one would guess wink We will probably see the true face with real deliveries to the troops.
    1. Wild_grey_wolf
      Wild_grey_wolf 18 November 2015 08: 07
      +1
      so that the T90 version appears, which now, how long it took, new technologies, materials, and appearance will be worked out now, this is the basic PLATFORM design for technologies, now it doesn’t look like that, tomorrow it’s different - it seems like more than once was written about it PLATFORM - DESIGNER ...
  • marinier
    marinier 17 November 2015 19: 24
    -4
    West is definitely joyful. Post-admission Russia !!!
    Hotelos, it’s only a tactic, technical characteristics, familiarization.
    For example, the composition of the crew, speed, armor thickness, etc., etc.
    In my opinion a worthy tank.
    1. Halfunra
      Halfunra 17 November 2015 19: 29
      +5
      On mine the same! good hi
    2. AUL
      AUL 17 November 2015 19: 46
      +10
      marinier, you are not tired of es4o vanat Valat? The Vedas and the Hesik are understood, the 4th Russian Iazik is your native. A bit is beaten on the passport of the V and the Dutch officer eats, but here you have four of the Russians, the foreigner will not be so mean. So 4to do not need a humpback to the wall sculpts and pontovatsia! Buy yourself a Russian claudia and write normally! crying
    3. Ramzaj99
      Ramzaj99 17 November 2015 19: 48
      +2
      Quote: marinier
      I wanted to, it’s only a tactical, technical description, familiarization. For example, the composition of the crew, speed, armor thickness, etc., etc. In my opinion, a worthy tank.

      That's all that is known. https://youtu.be/TCGdvMkDlVc
      The rest is a state secret. And the coming years, are not going to disclose)))))
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    5. Ajent cho
      Ajent cho 17 November 2015 20: 13
      +2
      Hotelos, it’s only a tactic, technical characteristics, familiarization.
      Respected marinier! First of all, I want to say that your Russian language is very good. But it’s somewhat strange to hear from the Dutchman (or am I mistaken?) So many praises addressed to Russia. We are quite sharp and straightforward people, excuse me - the climatic conditions are such.
      Could you have been a Cossack in terms of deriving characteristics?
      1. andj61
        andj61 17 November 2015 20: 25
        +5
        Quote: Ajent Cho
        Could you have been a Cossack in terms of deriving characteristics?

        Yes, he just takes part in the exercises!
        NATO’s largest military exercises over the past decade will be held in Italy, Spain, and Portugal. The maneuvers will be attended by 36 thousand soldiers from more than 30 countries, as well as 200 aircraft and 50 warships, reports RIA Novosti on Saturday, October 3 ...
        The scenario of the exercises provides for the involvement of all components of modern combat operations, including missile defense, counteraction to cyber attacks, actions in the conditions of a "hybrid war" and propaganda activities. Work on social networks will also be part of the exercises: a struggle will be worked out not only against a conditional opponent, but also against “real opponents”.http://lenta.ru/news/2015/10/03/nato/

        This message appeared on November 3, and Anthony registered on November 2. Symbolically, isn't it? repeat
    6. Wild_grey_wolf
      Wild_grey_wolf 18 November 2015 08: 10
      +1
      Go to the UralVagonZavod to you there and conduct a tour and show and tell everyone.
  • Sorokin
    Sorokin 17 November 2015 19: 27
    0
    Shebutnye you all, We have enough to wave.
  • GELEZNII_KAPUT
    GELEZNII_KAPUT 17 November 2015 19: 28
    0
    belay not a frail plant poppy ... belay good drinks
  • BARKHAN
    BARKHAN 17 November 2015 19: 31
    +9
    Tanks should work only in cooperation with other units, infantry, artillery, aviation, electronic warfare, reconnaissance ... And all these components must undergo combat cobbling together at training ranges and at different levels. Only professionally trained personnel should fight on modern equipment.
    Many who have not served in the army and are not aware of the importance (and sometimes the existence) of the supply of troops, how important and difficult it is. Often it is the supply problems that negate all other efforts.
    So that you can’t throw Armata into any Syria or Donbass. Even the best tanks in the world without support and in crooked hands will be burned very quickly.
    1. edmed
      edmed 18 November 2015 05: 15
      0
      Quote: Barkhan
      .Even the best tanks in the world without support and in crooked hands will be burned very quickly.

      Yes, that's okay, if they are simply destroyed, remember Damansky, the damaged T-62, despite all attempts to destroy it, there are allegations that the decision to use the Grads, among other things, became 62, or to remove interesting "snacks" from Dzaofani snatched away.
      1. BARKHAN
        BARKHAN 18 November 2015 10: 04
        +3
        Well, yes. You are right. And this is also the case. We have enough old equipment that is well known to the Syrians, that’s enough.
        But to be honest ... and it costs money, so ours must explain this to Assad in advance.
        And that is a historical example of Egyptian throwing between the USSR and the USA.
  • prawdawsegda
    prawdawsegda 17 November 2015 19: 32
    +6
    With tanks established. Rather, it is necessary to establish machine tools! In the meantime, THANKS for the work of those who created Armata !!!
    1. cergey51046
      cergey51046 17 November 2015 20: 28
      0
      The emphasis should be on missiles and mines, and tanks, some for a change.
    2. cergey51046
      cergey51046 17 November 2015 20: 28
      0
      The emphasis should be on missiles and mines, and tanks, some for a change.
  • Whowhy
    Whowhy 17 November 2015 19: 38
    -15%
    And what's so beautiful ??? Full cadet! I don’t know anything about fighting qualities, but such a hoopoe cannot be a good tank, at least cut me ... request
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS 17 November 2015 19: 44
      +5
      Quote: whowhy
      And what's so beautiful ??? Full cadet! I don’t know anything about fighting qualities, but such a hoopoe cannot be a good tank, at least cut me ... request

      Armata was not created in order to impress girls' clubs. And every bend and every complex is where it is needed. Today, all experts admit it, Armata is the most advanced tank in the world, with the best gun and the latest armor.
    2. AUL
      AUL 17 November 2015 20: 31
      +6
      Whowhy
      And what's so beautiful ??? Full cadet! I don’t know anything about fighting qualities, but such a hoopoe cannot be a good tank, at least cut me ... request

      Persuaded! We’ll kill for Christmas!wink
    3. Darkoff
      Darkoff 17 November 2015 20: 38
      +3
      What is the logic? Explain, please!
      The design of the tower is made exclusively in a practical manner, taking into account the placement of internal equipment and its maintenance, using stealth technologies, deepening external equipment into the armor niches for better preservation is a completely new solution.
      What does it like, don’t like it?
  • Shadowcat
    Shadowcat 17 November 2015 19: 42
    +2
    Nezhdanchik - here and the tests have begun ... large-scale ...
  • Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 17 November 2015 19: 44
    +3
    What a blessing that Uralvagonzavod was not bankrupted by effective managers; which until recently was a real risk. This "cash flow managers“I don’t care that the plant works for defense. Apparently, these are the same figures who cut nuclear submarines and planes for scrap, ordered by the State Department (and for its money), and then sold them as scrap metal”by weight".
  • t0x1c
    t0x1c 17 November 2015 19: 48
    +2
    To Syria for testing!)))
    1. cergey51046
      cergey51046 17 November 2015 20: 25
      +1
      It is not necessary to Syria, in our country there are many similar places.
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 17 November 2015 23: 24
        +1
        Quote: t0x1c
        To Syria for testing!)))
        And why not parachute parachute landing right on the green lawn in front of the White House? The whole experimental batch fellow!!! Not a bad bargaining chip in the "Big Game" bully
  • Diviz
    Diviz 17 November 2015 19: 48
    +1
    Faster would put a 152mm gun and tested a mini caliber or mini x56.
  • Old26
    Old26 17 November 2015 19: 50
    +3
    Quote: Vladimir
    It is very pleasing that the process of entering the troops has begun. Good luck!!!

    The troops put for military trials. This is not a series ...

    Quote: keel 31
    If they are transferred to the army, then the tanks withstood all the bullying of the factory workers. Now the crews will train.

    Now the tail and mane will be driven in the troops. In various climatic zones. This is not a supply to the troops
  • Old26
    Old26 17 November 2015 20: 00
    +1
    Quote: Baikonur
    In Syria, try at least one prototype! Run in and shoot In dust, sand, heat! May reveal flaws, hang something!

    With an experienced one, this can be done on our territory, rather than dragging a prototype HZ where, especially in a combat zone, not knowing how the engine, suspension, armor will behave ...
  • BULLIT
    BULLIT 17 November 2015 20: 01
    -7
    Damn the good news! To Syria for a test drive! It would help to identify weaknesses against a potential enemy! But I just don’t like the look !!! Well, he’s very kind of not kazy! Our campaign in Russia is like this! What about cars, what about tanks! Where the hell is futur design ???
    1. tatarin_ru
      tatarin_ru 17 November 2015 22: 50
      +1
      Quote: BULLIT
      But I just don’t like the look !!! Well, very much he is somehow not kazy!


      Look at the design of the latest developments (tanks of the latest generation), there are enough similar features (ugliness). These are modern technologies.
      This is a new generation of tanks, you need to get used to the design, a little time and it will become beautiful. As a girl fall in love, the most beautiful in the world, whoever says anything.
    2. Wild_grey_wolf
      Wild_grey_wolf 18 November 2015 08: 16
      +1
      As you imagine it, an experimental tank and to Syria for tests and where there is a potential enemy. . . everything has been tested for a long time and the platform will be involved in conjunction with other platforms. What to test how shoots? You can also test at the landfill, dust sand was tested and tested on other tanks, etc. . .
  • Maksus
    Maksus 17 November 2015 20: 03
    +2
    20 pieces are two companies. One will apparently be in the north, one in the south. Logically - SKVO and VVO. It’s unlikely that the Finnish and Norwegian ZVs are too close, and some are already close to NATO, others are marked.
    1. Thunderbolt
      Thunderbolt 17 November 2015 23: 41
      0
      Quote: Maksus
      By logic - SKVO and VBOs.
      Well, it's impossible in the BBO. There the Chinese "watch" soldier )))
  • Old26
    Old26 17 November 2015 20: 05
    +1
    Quote: BULLIT
    Damn the good news! To Syria for a test drive! It would help to identify weaknesses against a potential enemy!

    Or maybe you should not put the cart in front of the horse? Military trials have not yet begun, and some ardent zealots are already talking about sending to Syria.
    Well, they will send him to Syria. And in battles for some city X, they will be sadanut into it from an ATGM. What `s next? Can you first test it with us, see how the active defense will work, shoot it with blanks, and only then, after half a year or a year, think about sending it somewhere ???
    1. Wild_grey_wolf
      Wild_grey_wolf 18 November 2015 08: 20
      +1
      You don’t have to send anywhere, he is testing about it here. Six months is a very short time.
  • cergey51046
    cergey51046 17 November 2015 20: 22
    +1
    Such events delight and inspire confidence in the future.
  • Denis Skiff
    Denis Skiff 17 November 2015 20: 36
    +1
    Quote: SPACE
    Quote: Baikonur
    In Syria, try at least one prototype! Run in and shoot In dust, sand, heat! May reveal flaws, hang something!

    And yet, your own testing ground is much more efficient, and test conditions can be created in a wide variety of ways.
    Z.Y. Promptly. With such rich experience in tank building and combat use of tanks as in the Russian Federation, with modern computer-aided design and modeling methods, as well as with the latest production technologies, tanks and in general all ground combat equipment should be immediately accepted from the first units that left the assembly line weapons and delivered to the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation for full operation, without any further modifications, bypassing the experimental batch and trial use time ... Wash it all goes.

    Drive him in the heat in the sand and cold in the woods. Yes, at a distance of a thousand kilometers under its own power.
  • v.yegorov
    v.yegorov 17 November 2015 20: 50
    +2
    Finally, they began to catch up with us, and not us. More often so.
  • Val_y
    Val_y 17 November 2015 21: 11
    +1
    Quote: Sterlya
    It will give a lot. Yes, even developers (not the main ones) in the tank!

    And so it is done, the Japanese in 1944 created a squadron (22nd Sentai) from Ki-84 "Hayate" from factory testers who hung such devils on the antata that the Americans with brites were almost driven back to India and Burma. And then he was transferred to the Philippines and Okinawa. So that...
  • HaKim
    HaKim 17 November 2015 21: 11
    +2
    It looks pretty, and its characteristics are not bad!
  • seyvon
    seyvon 17 November 2015 21: 18
    +1
    the news is good!
  • iouris
    iouris 17 November 2015 21: 22
    0
    You can march through Iraq-Iran to the eastern border of Syria in order to demonstrate high performance characteristics in practice.
  • shinobi
    shinobi 17 November 2015 21: 26
    +1
    Well, now the serious "file revision" will begin. The polygon is of course wonderful, but running in the device by a soldier is completely different load. And, ideally, run in with conscripts. Not every design bureau will think of what a conscript can do. And you get a strong car with a backlog of 30 years for modernization.
  • Cympak
    Cympak 17 November 2015 21: 26
    +2
    A question for fans of "longer and thicker": how does a 152-mm APCR shell differ from a 125-mm APCR shell?
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 18 November 2015 13: 42
      +1
      For the sub-caliber it does not make sense to increase the gun
      from 125 to 152. But the 152 mm cumm. projectile makes sense
      create. With such a caliber, it will be equal in power
      with anti-tank missiles.
  • Forest
    Forest 17 November 2015 21: 29
    +1
    The main test will be - when something breaks in the tank and all the repairmen of the battalion + mechvody come to repair the machine using the experimental pump.
  • Cympak
    Cympak 17 November 2015 21: 31
    +1
    And one more question haunts me: what will a 152-mm projectile give to a tank if (as tank biathlon shows) from a 125-mm cannon cannot get into a stationary target?
    1. Albert1988
      Albert1988 17 November 2015 22: 32
      0
      Quote: Cympak
      And one more question haunts me: what will a 152-mm projectile give to a tank if (as tank biathlon shows) from a 125-mm cannon cannot get into a stationary target?

      Let it be known to you that the caliber of the gun does not affect its accuracy, it is affected by slightly different characteristics, both of the gun itself and of the sights that are used to aim this gun, and given that the biathlon is solid T-72 with antediluvian sights ...
  • Mikhail Krapivin
    Mikhail Krapivin 17 November 2015 21: 33
    +2
    Quote: Vladimir
    Beautiful car!


    And it pleases. As Tupolev said - "only a beautiful plane will fly well."
  • KnightRider
    KnightRider 17 November 2015 22: 21
    +4
    Handsome tank! Photography can not always convey this beauty and power, it’s better to watch the video, and even better - live soldier
    1. BARKHAN
      BARKHAN 18 November 2015 09: 58
      +5
      And I like the look ... but unusual, you need to get used to it ...
      But this is not the first time. The same feelings must have been during the transition from propeller-driven to jet aircraft, from sailing to steam-powered ships ... People were always divided into "correct" and "incorrect".
      And the effectiveness of this sample will be shown only by practice.
  • Amakc
    Amakc 17 November 2015 22: 23
    +1
    The main thing is that now that the production and fitting process has begun, oil tanks and gas warfare will not end ...
  • WU 37
    WU 37 17 November 2015 23: 42
    +1
    Beautifully and efficiently executed equipment, and especially the military one, causes RAPTURE !!!
  • Sinbad
    Sinbad 17 November 2015 23: 49
    +7
    I tried T34, on T44 - I drove once behind the levers, T54, T55, T62 - in the training, although the main one - T64. He served on the T72. Ah, in old age, on Armata would ride!
    1. Wild_grey_wolf
      Wild_grey_wolf 18 November 2015 14: 41
      +1
      What a wealth of experience you have, Respect to you.
  • exalex2
    exalex2 18 November 2015 00: 08
    0
    “We have made an experimental-industrial batch of about 20 Armata tanks, they are currently at the enterprise and are being prepared for transfer to the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation,” RIA Novosti quoted Halitov as saying. Http://vz.ru/news /2015/11/17/778608.html. So the newspaper "Vzglyad" writes. How much is it about? One to twenty.
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