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Turkey without American assistance is not able to control its borders? ..

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Information Agency Rider reports that Turkey and the United States are starting a joint military operation on the border with Syria. The news agency refers to the statement of the head of American diplomacy, John Kerry. He notes that almost the entire border line with the Syrian Arab Republic is under Turkish control, but there is no control over the 98-kilometer stretch.


John Kerry:
We are starting an operation with Turkey in order to take control of the remaining 98 kilometers of the border with Syria.


Turkey without American assistance is not able to control its borders? ..


Earlier, the Turkish authorities spoke about conducting a counter-terrorist operation against the militants of the so-called "Islamic State". At the same time, official Ankara is already conducting a military operation against representatives of the Kurdish militia, which itself is actively opposed by ISIL.

It should also be mentioned that the United States is engaged in supporting the Kurds, declaring that they are the ones who are dumped in the northern provinces of Syria weapon, as they are the force that is able to withstand the terrorists of the IG.

Considering all these nuances, the question arises: by what principles will the joint military operation of Washington and Ankara be conducted on the Turkish-Syrian borders, and does this mean that the Turkish army is so weak that it is no longer able to control the borders of its own state? ..
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  1. cniza
    cniza 17 November 2015 18: 44 New
    +7
    Oh, they’re being cunning, you can’t let the United States go there, it will all be against us, Erdogan think it over.
    1. Saratovets
      Saratovets 17 November 2015 18: 45 New
      10
      "Exceptional" and so there already from the 50s tusyut
      1. Vend
        Vend 17 November 2015 18: 49 New
        +8
        Well, you somehow need to save ISIS to mattresses. Here is across the Turkish border, pressing the Turkish vassals to the foot.
        1. Baikonur
          Baikonur 17 November 2015 18: 53 New
          +6
          No, just Americans are kind and always help everyone! Honestly, disinterestedly!
          That Turkey needs help, but they are already right there! laughing
          And ISIS is being helped by both Kurds and others who need help!
        2. self-propelled
          self-propelled 17 November 2015 22: 15 New
          0
          Quote: Wend
          Well, you somehow need to save ISIS to mattresses. Here is across the Turkish border, pressing the Turkish vassals to the foot.

          it’s not worth arguing here. all these "restless nights" (in October last year and in May-July of this) in Turkey were not just like that. there was a certain promise to Erdogan. and he accepted this promise. now waiting for "friendly forces" with a loaf (oops, I apologize, pita smile ) to visit. I think that on this site the majority are sane people, and they perfectly understand that the unrest in Turkey, the terrorist attacks in France ... etc. links of one chain. and you don’t need to have “seven spans in your forehead” to understand where these links are forged ...
      2. kodxnumx
        kodxnumx 17 November 2015 19: 24 New
        0
        Again, these Yankees are muddying something, and the Turks are also looking stupid themselves!
      3. Sterlya
        Sterlya 17 November 2015 19: 30 New
        +2
        Turks, of course, can guard their borders.
        Just in the light of recent events, they have a situation. they cannot keep their words in front of the Iblises, because they will most likely receive a hat.
        Here, like the Americans all, they came to ruined the agreement. They can’t drive them away. recourse
        Erdogan, too, of course, when all of Russia crushed, tried, played his game .. Slightly changed, and he was
    2. marinier
      marinier 17 November 2015 18: 49 New
      +3
      In my opinion, you are right! USA, they can be used as
      the pretext 4 would increase its presence.
      Moreover, infa passed, Turkey and Russia finally came to
      understanding of the Turkish stream.
      And this is a serial blow to the interests of amers, and threatens
      the reintegration of Turkey into the sphere of influence of RUSSIA.
      1. Sid.74
        Sid.74 17 November 2015 19: 37 New
        13
        Rumors say that Putin dumped a bunch of dirt on amerikosy, shavers, Germans and
        Turks during G-20. There it was painted who accompanied the deals on igilovskoy oil, who transported, who bought, etc. And this information for three years.
        And Putin said today that our French sailors should work as allies. To be honest, it sounded strange. what

        And more news. With the first "Tundroy" you, comrades. fellow

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        In addition, the Tundra will determine the launches and trajectories of not only ballistic missiles, but also other missiles, such as those launched from submarines.
        In the coming 2-3, it is planned to increase the grouping to 10 devices.
    3. 79807420129
      79807420129 17 November 2015 18: 50 New
      14
      Erdogan seems to be unable to control anything except his bladder.
      1. STALK1974
        STALK1974 17 November 2015 19: 02 New
        +4
        And he will not be controlled soon!
    4. vell.65
      vell.65 17 November 2015 19: 30 New
      +4
      If so, then in the territory of Syria controlled by the Kurds, a zone controlled by the USA will be created. I think this will be the opposition. If only they agree with the Kurds on both sides of the Kurdish border, they want to create an independent state.
    5. Tor5
      Tor5 17 November 2015 19: 31 New
      +1
      This is not a double, but a triple or quarter game ....
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    7. Baloo
      Baloo 17 November 2015 20: 37 New
      +5
      Erdogan most of all needs to destroy Syria as a state. After the Second World War, the Turks illegally annexed part of Syria, now they set their sights on oil and gas, grabbed fatter to rob others and control pipelines on a larger territory .. The Macington macaques do not hesitate to predict Assad's removal from power for several weeks. Most likely, this plan provides for its physical elimination. We need to think how to strengthen its protection and the protection of the family by our guys.
      Conceptually, we are witnesses of an attempt by the geyropa, Turkey, the Saudis and the Macington macaques to realize the next colonial division of the region. Moreover, they openly talk about the world order as the highest value. But these Russians do not give, they interfere.
      I see what is happening from my sofa. hi
    8. Baloo
      Baloo 17 November 2015 20: 37 New
      +1
      Erdogan most of all needs to destroy Syria as a state. After the Second World War, the Turks illegally annexed part of Syria, now they set their sights on oil and gas, grabbed fatter to rob others and control pipelines on a larger territory .. The Macington macaques do not hesitate to predict Assad's removal from power for several weeks. Most likely, this plan provides for its physical elimination. We need to think how to strengthen its protection and the protection of the family by our guys.
      Conceptually, we are witnesses of an attempt by the geyropa, Turkey, the Saudis and the Macington macaques to realize the next colonial division of the region. Moreover, they openly talk about the world order as the highest value. But these Russians do not give, they interfere.
      I see what is happening from my sofa. hi
    9. OlegLex
      OlegLex 17 November 2015 21: 14 New
      +1
      Not any deceit, everything is aimed at preventing the Syrian army from regaining control of the Turkish border, and in this regard, the Americans and the Turks are united as Siamese twins
    10. 78bor1973
      78bor1973 18 November 2015 00: 49 New
      +1
      Erdogan himself is to blame for this, at first he planted the whole general staff in prisons, and now Turkey is not able to control its borders!
    11. meriem1
      meriem1 18 November 2015 04: 11 New
      +1
      Quote: cniza
      Oh, they’re being cunning, you can’t let the United States go there, it will all be against us, Erdogan think it over.


      Erdogan needs oil cheap. All fuss is exactly that. They want to relieve themselves of responsibility. Putin is not in vain about 51 st. UN loudly said !!! And in Qatar, I think the same I heard !!!
  2. Mihalich17
    Mihalich17 17 November 2015 18: 45 New
    +1
    But the Turks themselves already do not control anything ?!
    What nonsense!
    1. avt
      avt 17 November 2015 19: 13 New
      +4
      Quote: Mihalich17
      But the Turks themselves already do not control anything ?!
      What nonsense!

      Well, why is this nonsense? Such an operation is normal. I would call it “Zagradotryad”, after shaving many beard spirits, they rushed off to Turkey - it’s one thing for Bosko to cut unarmed and rape women, another thing is for “Pinocchio” and Su keep the line, that’s Alla! I’m at a beer bar - they immediately forgot who and why and what they used to yell at.
    2. Alexey Boukin
      Alexey Boukin 17 November 2015 20: 25 New
      +1
      Americans everywhere have their own interest, precisely their own, and not their common. On the Turkish border, they will filter out their fish in troubled waters.
  3. sannych
    sannych 17 November 2015 18: 45 New
    +7
    What philanthropists and humanists are these USA! Help Turkey completely free!
    A country located in another part of the world helps another country control its border. It’s somehow abnormal. I wonder what would be the reaction of the United States if ours would similarly help Mexico?
    1. cniza
      cniza 17 November 2015 18: 50 New
      +2
      Quote: sannych
      What philanthropists and humanists are these USA! Help Turkey completely free!
      A country located in another part of the world helps another country control its border. It’s somehow abnormal. I wonder what would be the reaction of the United States if ours would similarly help Mexico?



      This is the whole paradox, the Turkish army is one of the strongest in NATO, I think after the United States. This Erdogan is something muddied well, not without the help of the United States.
      1. Altona
        Altona 17 November 2015 18: 56 New
        +2
        Quote: cniza
        This is the whole paradox, the Turkish army is one of the strongest in NATO, I think after the United States.

        ----------------------
        And 100 (!!!) km of the border is not controlled by anything, not even a drone ... Afiget what expanse for all kinds of smugglers and terrorists ...
        1. cniza
          cniza 17 November 2015 18: 59 New
          +1
          Quote: Altona
          Quote: cniza
          This is the whole paradox, the Turkish army is one of the strongest in NATO, I think after the United States.

          ----------------------
          And 100 (!!!) km of the border is not controlled by anything, not even a drone ... Afiget what expanse for all kinds of smugglers and terrorists ...



          Weapons, supplies, evacuation of their fosterlings, etc.
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    3. kil 31
      kil 31 17 November 2015 18: 51 New
      +1
      Let's see what happens at the price of gasoline. Now Turkey in third place after Norway and Italy in terms of the high cost of gasoline 95 costs 98 rubles. If it starts to cost 150 r, then Amers blocked ISIS oil. Doubts gnaw me.
      1. U-96
        U-96 17 November 2015 19: 08 New
        0
        Quote: Kil 31
        Let's see what happens at the price of gasoline. Turkey is now in third place

        I doubt about the price of gasoline) In fact, ISIS is filled with traders of all stripes, including, of course, Turkish. The fact that the Asadites are also among the customers, I think, is not in doubt. For me, there is nothing unnatural (given the Middle Eastern specifics) in this. Kerry just cunning as usual, focusing on oil.
    4. yuriy55
      yuriy55 17 November 2015 19: 09 New
      +1
      What would be the reaction of the United States if ours likewise helped Mexico?


      Yes, the same as in 1962, when ours deployed missiles in Cuba in response to the deployment of medium-range missiles by the Americans in Turkey.

      In fact, in sly Turkey there are US military bases:
      http://biggun.at.ua/publ/bazy_nato/voennye_bazy_ssha_i_nato_v_turcii/37-1-0-109

      It is necessary to stop the tourist pilgrimage to Turkey, maybe they will scratch their turnips. After all, the Yankees do not go to Turkey to rest ... recourse
      1. U-96
        U-96 17 November 2015 19: 52 New
        +1
        Quote: yuriy55
        We must stop the tourist pilgrimage to Turkey,

        firstly, there are no alternatives for domestic all-inclusive people like "Tagi-and-il .." yet.
        secondly, it is not necessary to present the budget of Turkey exclusively oriented to the tourism industry. Well-fed suckers from Chelyabinsk with a beer belly, believe me, this is not the first article in the Turkish budget.
        thirdly, IMHO, for Erdie needed the notorious "red line". He doesn’t understand a bit that by prostitution, to put it mildly, he embarrasses all his partners (including us, by the way). But this, sorry, is not the Vienna Congress of 1815, where they were not invited. Two hundred, their mother, years have passed ...
  4. INF
    INF 17 November 2015 18: 45 New
    0
    And there is a corridor ...
  5. Genur
    Genur 17 November 2015 18: 48 New
    +1
    Well, "God forgive me." Yours and ours. (
  6. smart Fox
    smart Fox 17 November 2015 18: 48 New
    +3
    These are probably guarding !!! Now ISIS weapons will be taken openly, through checkpoints. PMCs will become tourists. And you don’t have to hide or hide anything. The border is locked. Obama guarantees!
  7. roskot
    roskot 17 November 2015 18: 49 New
    +1
    Statesmen they are. Give them to them they are ready to control the borders of the whole earth.
  8. Anisim1977
    Anisim1977 17 November 2015 18: 51 New
    +2
    Wanting Turkey is not harmful - but since the strategists have already arrived, we will decide. Above Syria is now "Sky of the Slavs" - and on earth, they will cope.
    We won’t let Turkey use the equipment in particular - and the machine is automatic, the Kurds themselves will tear them like hamsters.
  9. roskot
    roskot 17 November 2015 18: 52 New
    +1
    But what about the note to us for the fact that our fighter violated the border with Turkey.
  10. Rossiyanin
    Rossiyanin 17 November 2015 18: 53 New
    +2
    Trust the wallet to the thief.
  11. viktor561
    viktor561 17 November 2015 18: 58 New
    +1
    Entrusting the US border is the same as entrusting the fox to guard the chicken coop - that there are no UN peacekeeping forces
  12. iliitchitch
    iliitchitch 17 November 2015 19: 05 New
    -1
    Quote: sly fox
    These are probably guarding !!! Now ISIS weapons will be taken openly, through checkpoints. PMCs will become tourists. And you don’t have to hide or hide anything. The border is locked. Obama guarantees!


    Therefore, I believe that we can’t do without a ground operation. Close the fuck you need that gate from Syria, they themselves can not.
  13. semuil
    semuil 17 November 2015 19: 05 New
    +1
    They will guard the looted oil.
  14. Egor123
    Egor123 17 November 2015 19: 09 New
    0
    At the same time, official Ankara is already conducting a military operation against representatives of the Kurdish militia, which itself is actively opposing ISIS.


    And why did the Kurds dislike them so much that they equate them with ISIS? We could postpone the issue with the Kurds for later, but for now act together with them against ISIS.
  15. individual
    individual 17 November 2015 19: 16 New
    +1
    Turkey requires easy money from the states and provokes the EU, the USA!
  16. afrikanez
    afrikanez 17 November 2015 19: 21 New
    +1
    The remaining 98 kilometers of the Turkish border will be enough to transport the militants. Americans, as always, in their repertoire. negative
  17. skaramaks27
    skaramaks27 17 November 2015 19: 23 New
    +2
    Americans leased 98 km of the state border from the Turks! Nonsense! who remembers a bearded joke from the 90s? ... "I will rent ONE METER of the state border!" And here is 98 km.
    IMHO: They are preparing a corridor, they will save the elect, it is likely that the escape routes were agreed.
  18. Balagan
    Balagan 17 November 2015 19: 42 New
    +1
    Funny these Turks. But they immediately see that our plane flew into the territory with the edge of the wing. Come, the mattresses also suggested that they themselves would have no idea.
  19. win
    win 17 November 2015 19: 53 New
    +2
    Turks are also looking stupid themselves

    The British scientist has identified the most cunning nation.
    As a result of the work, the scientist David Hugh-Jones stated that the Chinese and Indians are the most prone to deception and dishonest behavior in conditions where this can bring financial benefits. In a separate experiment, the number of deceptions was in the lead. Turks.
  20. BULLIT
    BULLIT 17 November 2015 20: 04 New
    0
    Who with whom and who against whom! ??? X ... n wake up !!! Surely we muddied such a mess! recourse
  21. sailor roman
    sailor roman 17 November 2015 20: 16 New
    +1
    Wikipedia says that the Turkish peacetime forces are considered the second strongest in the NATO bloc, after the US ground forces. The Turkish Armed Forces, not including reservists, are 410 (as of 500).
    Turkey receives oil and looted values ​​from ISIS, freely passes militants across its borders, there are numerous camps of opponents of Syria on its territory, but it supplies them with weapons and ammunition, how many of them go to ISIS, obviously not a few.
    I believe that Erdogan, taking the "help" from the USA, from the USA, first of all, seeks to restrain the Syrian armed forces, and not to guard their border ..
  22. ZYRYANIN
    ZYRYANIN 17 November 2015 20: 20 New
    +1
    Fabulous PUSH-PUSH! One for the Kurds, the other against will control the border with them together ??? "Soyuznichki", your ancestress !!!
  23. GDV
    GDV 17 November 2015 20: 21 New
    0
    They will clean up after themselves, Plan B, whom to Turkey whom to Qatar to Saudi Arabia, or maybe stupidly to all in Afghanistan.
  24. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 17 November 2015 20: 31 New
    0
    An open section of the Turkish border - what’s this? Turks themselves are not able to close it? Theater of the absurd.
  25. U-96
    U-96 17 November 2015 20: 33 New
    0
    nonsense. States will play on the Kurdish issue. Erdie does not even understand his puppetry. Old Man Nietzsche is right, as usual, with his passive asset. However, the Turks should be given their due - they play their card well, yeah.
  26. Shadowcat
    Shadowcat 17 November 2015 20: 38 New
    +1
    Turkey does not roll the border? America help?
    Who believes this - hehe five times.

    Everything is much simpler and disgusting. Each of the political players on a high board of the world plays his pieces and cards. It’s ridiculous to say - think of some personalities on foreign loans? You are mistaken. On the trade of black blood. And here it is worth noting the ferry points ... Even filling stations on the coast are needed not just in the form of a pipe, but in the form of large complexes. But to take the coast normally did not work ... Where to put the question becomes open ... if there were no proposals ...
    Now we get the likeness of Afghanistan in the Soviet years. Honestly, I am very surprised wai the USSR did not send everyone to ahem, hedgehogs, and more than once ... poking Pakistan into atoms. Now a similar situation may happen - It seems to be a peaceful state of Syria, but where the gangs penetrate (and we know that where the Yankees are gangs and terror) from the Turkish border.
    However, I think that Vladimir Vladimirovich is far smarter than me and this is envisioned.

    Who understood the hints that well done, who did not understand, turn your nose to the wind of news.
  27. v.yegorov
    v.yegorov 17 November 2015 20: 51 New
    0
    Well, exactly the same according to the fabulist Krylov - a swan, cancer and pike, and, in addition,
    cancer with a pike is not averse to devour each other. It will be interesting to look at the result.
  28. Oleg 91
    Oleg 91 17 November 2015 21: 06 New
    0
    It turns out interesting: the USA supports the Kurds - Turkey bombes the Kurds - the USA guards the borders of Turkey while they bomb the Kurds.
  29. stayer
    stayer 17 November 2015 21: 17 New
    +2
    Amers are still provocateurs and lovers of rowing heat with the wrong hands. Wang. At the last moment, when only a few weeks remain before the ISIS defeat, they will get in from Turkey and supposedly take part in the defeat of ISIS. And after 50 years (if they are alive by then), in history textbooks will be considered the most important in victory in the Middle East. They brought peace to the land of Syria and Iraq.
  30. iouris
    iouris 17 November 2015 21: 24 New
    +1
    Turkey and the United States take protection of "their" terrorists.
    1. cniza
      cniza 17 November 2015 21: 27 New
      +1
      Quote: iouris
      Turkey and the United States take protection of "their" terrorists.



      Very justly, and for this, the United States is eager to help Turkey control the border.
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  31. Mikhail Krapivin
    Mikhail Krapivin 17 November 2015 21: 30 New
    0
    And again, another crap is happening in the world, and again because of this crap American ears stick out.
  32. 1goose3
    1goose3 17 November 2015 22: 57 New
    0
    Erdogan, trying to revive the Great Ottoman Empire, is not able to close less than a hundred kilometers of the border with Syria? Erdogan, for the sake of the idea of ​​a great empire, lay down under the USA! Ha ha ha, and ideological forgive him? Will they forgive him for making them blue at once. wassat
  33. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 18 November 2015 00: 28 New
    0
    there is no control on the 98-kilometer stretch.
    The invitation of the Americans is a disguise of some subtle military-political game of Ankara and Washington! If we really wanted to close the 98-km section of the border, we would invite Senya. He would have shaved off such a VAL --- just throw a penny fellow .P.S. Or maybe the United States needs to have a bridgehead and ready-made forces for quick deployment and operations not at the level of ranger platoons, but for example a division corps? Anything is possible. If Assad "goes" and hisSyrians will begin to squeeze IS and clean up the territory, then the United States can begin a large-scale ground operation under the pretext of finally “finishing off” IS. The reason for this can be a series of terrorist attacks in the USA (for example, the Paris massacre) .. and everything can occupy the clearing. Experience of Iraqi occupation of them the army has incl. may try to bite off a piece of the Syrian cake, or even swallow the whole cake. The Gulf countries will squeeze out the Assad and support the bearded ones from the Gulf countries (moving away from the USA). And then the main task will be to squeeze the Russians out of the region. The blockade of the Caspian air corridor and Bosphorus Ave. it is quite possible in case of sharp escalation. And then Assad and ours will have a hard time.
  34. uralex
    uralex 18 November 2015 00: 52 New
    +1
    Russian tourists should already think about the safety of leisure in Turkey ...
  35. cap
    cap 18 November 2015 05: 20 New
    0
    Quote: vell.65
    vell.65 RU Yesterday, 19:30 ↑

    If so, then in the territory of Syria controlled by the Kurds, a zone controlled by the USA will be created. I think this will be the opposition. If only they agree with the Kurds on both sides of the Kurdish border, they want to create an independent state.

    Do not touch the valves on the pipes with the label NAM. laughing hi
    The Turks will remain to guard the desert from saigas.
  36. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 18 November 2015 05: 41 New
    0
    America, as always, needs to stick its snout everywhere! If there isn’t anyone, it’s gone on it. They’ve got used to it.
  37. nivander
    nivander 18 November 2015 09: 58 New
    0
    or what a hole 98km
  38. Pasha
    Pasha 18 November 2015 12: 06 New
    0
    Turkey without American help unable to control its borders?
    What a nightmare.
    First, on the Syrian and then to the Russian border, they will start together with the Sha.
  39. _GSVG_
    _GSVG_ 19 November 2015 10: 20 New
    0
    And yet, some of the official Ankara proposed to legitimize ISIS, well, like, "anyway, they already exist and occupy a certain territory, we must recognize them."
    I think partly because of this, our VKS began to plow their territory with tripled force, and the article on defense against aggression came in handy, along with the decision to acknowledge the catastrophe with our plane - a terrorist attack. So, Qatar will not have a chance to stretch the gas pipeline to Turkey.